Babyshambles - Shotter's Nation

I WONDER HOW WE COULD ALTER THIS ALBUM TITLE TO MAKE A WITTY COMMENT ON BABYSHAMBLES' STEEZ????

How do I shot babyshambles?

could somebody far more witty and articulate than me please post some scathing comments about pete doherty and babyshambles in this thread. i don't really think i can do justice to how bloody awful and pathetic this "music" is.

k thanks

don't hate the playa hate the game

Should have been a Mark Grout thread.

You don't read that every day.

Things you don't read every day: what's on your iPod?

could somebody far more witty and articulate than me please post some scathing comments about pete doherty and babyshambles in this thread.

TIM @ KFC.EDU RIP :(

every post after the first is very original.

it is a good album. there's no "fuck forever" on it, but, it's still catchy and consistent and solid, without a great, sweeping single.

dom passantino is one staunch, hipster nationalist.

Things you don't read every day: Dom Passantino, hipster.

you make me sick.

Reeeeally good album. He's finally making stuff as good as what he made in the early Libertines days. That first Babyshambles record was brutal.

And, despite ripping off The Kinks for the first single ("Delivery") it's a pretty good single, I think.

Some really great lyrics on this record too, but I'm not going to quote any.

*sigh*

you're sure tellin' us, max r.

no one on the other side has had a strong enough opinion to talk back to me in this thread in over 24 hours.

i don't believe that any pete doherty detractor in this thread has actually heard the album.

you people and how you throw around the term 'rockism'. it's quite, quite ironic how some of you will write something off without even hearing it. you're all so advanced and forward thinking. jesus christ. if you're coming into this thread without hearing this album, and with an already decidedly negative attitude, then get the fuck back to your terrible dfa compilations. shit.

he's a muppet

Man, I want to hear this.

has he heard those terrible dfa compilations? I bet he hasn't.

dohaerty is a genius and a true romantic, the equal of lord byron or perhaps even rick witter.

dohaerty?

i think i'm going to be sick.

that single does have a certain shed 7 quality about it

c'mon andi, join the techno raveolution!

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that's a clever card. you'd may as well have slapped whoever it is, in that photo, in the face. idiot.

that kate moss's boyfriend guy with the creased up suit looks like he's been slapped in the face a few times.

that has what to do with the songs?

you've spoken to me. i will never listen to any song ever again, unless i am attracted to the performer.

god, you are dumb. you haven't heard the album, you're taking this nowhere, and your hipster guilt is through the fucking roof. please get a clue. it's okay to like rock music, even in 2007, idiot.

what the shit is going on here

andi peters sure is annoyed today

what the shit is going on here

-- HI DERE, Monday, October 1, 2007 6:04 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

nude spock goes schizo.

ilm has officially jumped the shark.
nothing here is any longer about music.
it's all about irony and meaningless-ironic one-liners.
mark my words.

I have an ulistened to, unopened copy of this on CD that I will send free to the first persobn to ask for it.

36 comments, 12 of which are andi responding to everything from trolling to a sigh with complete vitriol!

I've never actually listened to Babyshambles outside of a song or two, and I think I only had the Libertines album when Pete Doherty was still in the band. What's a good starting point for listening, the first Babyshambles album or this one?

i wish i could recommend you something without some shitfaced-hipster giving me his bullshit business, but. . . the libertines' 'up the bracket' (including the "what a waster single"), the "fuck forever" single by babyshambles, and the new babyshambles album. this is the best rock music this decade. these small brains are flipping their shit only because it's uncool to like rock music, these years. it's a new form of rockism; this popist bullshit.

i wish these shitfucks would just enjoy music they happen to enjoy. that's what i do. i don't care if it's rock, or ambient, or dance, or what the hell ever. these people here, are sickening. going out of their way, wasting their time, and giving me this. . . jesus fucking christ. some people really don't deserve music.

ok, maybe this is just a rumour, but i heard that the singer is on drugs.

going out of their way, wasting their time, and giving me this. . .

Why don't you play online Scrabble or something instead.

I have an ulistened to, unopened copy of this on CD that I will send free to the first persobn to ask for it.

I want it. I'm a glutton for punishment.

andi, did it ever occur to you that they really don't give much of a care either way about the lead singer and the fact that by posting one comment anyone can make you instantly flip your shit is the entertainment here? I think it has a lot more to do with your reaction than with Pete Doherty.

mh ruining it for everybody otm

I had to say it to hedge my counter-bet against "babyshambles thread hits 1000 posts by wednesday"

ANYBODY HATING ON BABYSHAMBLES HAS OBVIOUSLY NEVAR REALLY LISTENED TO TLCS CRAZY SEXY COOL. DUMMIES.

My frequently cracked out, occasionally incarcerated cousin was a big fan of Waterfalls (from Crazy Sexy Cool). He got stabbed in the lung.

The annoying thing is that about 60% of this record is really good, but threads like this discourage me from trying to explain why (and I'm not a big Pete fan). So it becomes another dead letter thread. And yes, this is thanks to one-liners that sound like they're terribly meta-clever and knowingly cutting, but are ultimately a touch joyless and immature. Call it the Dom Passantino syndrome.

T/S: Explaining why you love something vs whining because somebody else is rude about it.

So it becomes another dead letter thread.

A thread used to pass secret messages between spies? Good work on knowledge of the English language there, son.

a thread to pass encrypted smirky pop snobbery perhaps?

encrypted?

okay not so much encrypted

En-Crip-ted, morelike

Erm, Dom. Re: English language: you kind of made yourself look stupid with that encrypted business.

Good post.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/07/doherty_narrowweb__300x414,0.jpg

Hat-Wearers' Nation, morelike

"morelike"

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I'm wearin my hat, Catchin' yr up!

I'm interested in the "60% good" thing because I have given both The Libertines and Babyshambles chances in the past and have pretty much hated them. What, if anything, makes the new one different?

The 100% guaranteed andi Seal of Approval

(This is the point in the thread where the people whining about Dom ignore him and talk about the album, in case you were wondering.)

i haven't any of it, and thank god for that.

I never it

heard/listened to/liked

let's be honest, there's no way any of this is going to listenable is there? why bother?

let's be honest, there's no way any of this is going to listenable is there? why bother?

-- max r, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:51 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

let's be honest, there's no way any of this is going to listenable is there? why bother?

-- max r, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:51 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

-- Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 15:54 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Zing culture ruins another thread.

Seriously, that's some "No, You Are" level shit. NUL POINT

so what

I've heard a few tracks off it. The best that can be said, in my opinion, is that Stephen Street did a good production job in making Doherty's songs slightly less anaemic than on his previous outings.

If you're going to go into it with the attitude that there's "no way it could be listenable", than obviously you're going to hate it, you idiot.

If, however, you knew nothing about the band or the lead singer, and it was "pitchfork approved" so that you knew it was okay for you to like it, you'd be all over it, because it's a GOOD FUCKING ALBUM.

Seperate the art from the artist, you moron.

you people blow my mind (except for paulhw).

also. max r. is a turd for assuming i'm not into the "electronica" side of things, just since i still love and care about rock music. i'm sure i care more about that side of music than that idiot does.

in the last couple of weeks, i have started threads for the klf and pleasure, and bumped one for annie.

and, i always know what i'm talking about. i read pretty into any artist i champion, ever.

the new babyshambles album is good. deal with it. dom passantino has rape fantasies.

andi, the dom zing was good, but you're letting yourself down with the vaguely megalomaniacal fantasies of omniscience in the preceding couple of posts.

is everyone in this thread nude spock?

yeah, but it's rubbish.

not "bangin"

jeff mills is "bangin"

michelle ryan's arse is "bangin"

santana's town is "bangin"

this is "shite"

going on what ive heard in the tv ad, they sound like every other indie band now thanks to the production.

Wow, some really vituperative comments here! I know Doherty causes strong reactions, but even so...

If you're going to go into it with the attitude that there's "no way it could be listenable", than obviously you're going to hate it, you idiot.

If, however, you knew nothing about the band or the lead singer, and it was "pitchfork approved" so that you knew it was okay for you to like it, you'd be all over it, because it's a GOOD FUCKING ALBUM.

Seperate the art from the artist, you moron.

Who was this directed at Erock? Because if it was directed at me, I was simply stating my opinion. Sorry if it disagrees with yours.

oooh vituperative

wow this was a pretty good thread

It captured the feel of the album.

I just don't understand why Doherty causes people to get so worked up. I'm indifferent (but obviously not indifferent enough not to post...)

'cause he's a phoney-romantic muppet who makes ultra generic topman indie?

If you're going to go into it with the attitude that there's "no way it could be listenable", than obviously you're going to hate it, you idiot.

see, this simply isn't true and never has been. so many times i arrive at a record expecting to hate it and leave 40 minutes later thinking "crikey, how 'bout that? it wasn't half bad". how else could i have admitted on this very board that james blunt's latest single is not at all terrible?

as to the libertines/babyshambles, the former meant nothing to me at the time (i suspect) since i wasn't in the uk when they "exploded" onto the scene. up the bracket was half a decent album though, and the second album about a third of a good album.

as such, the forthcoming libertines "best of" (yes, a "best of", after two albums), is a six out of 10 thanks to 'up the bracket', 'time for heroes', 'don't look back into the sun', 'can't stand me now', 'what a waster', 'what became of the likely lads' and seven slices of awful filler.

the new babyshambles single is not awful. about this, i was pleasantly surprised. as far as i can work out, pete's not actually got a guitartist who knows how to write and play, so i'm approaching the new album with genuine intrigue.

it'll still probably be shit though.

I thought I was going to hate LCD Soundsystem and was shocked that I actually loved them.

pete's not actually got a guitartist who knows how to write and play, so i'm approaching the new album with genuine intrigue.

oops! i meant "pete's NOW actually got a guitartist who knows how to write and play..."

I don't hate Pete Doherty any more.

I don't understand why you'd think of him as a fake Romantic, he's a straight Romantic. And because we're clever and wise we see right through Romantics, we chuckle knowingly at their archaic schtick, we think about Jim Morrison and we get all embarrassed cos it's mostly like looking at ourselves when we were 16.
But it's a legitimate approach to making art, I think. Legitimate and fragile. More than most aesthetics this one relies on empathy, and if you don't got that empathy then you get all grossed out and make with the zings. But occasionally most of us feel a bit Pete Doherty, I think, and when yr having one of those days then you can appreciate him for the all-too-infrequently great songwriter that he is. Half a dozen brilliant songs and a bunch of by-the-numbers genre pieces is still more than lots of people manage.
So I just wait for the odd track to creep up on me and slyly imbed itself.

Yeah good point, nicely made.

(this post certified sarcasm-free)

Delivery is a surprisingly strong song.

That was well said NV.

He's sort of a Thomas de Quincy for the 00's, amirite?

Nah, it wasn't directed at you, Neil, it was directed at Max R because of this remark -

"let's be honest, there's no way any of this is going to be listenable is there? why bother?" - max r, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:51 (2 days ago)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to me, that remark is ignorant, especially saying "There is NO way ANY of this will be listenable". Oh, you're so right ! Not one note on the whole album will be tolerable in any way ! Great point !

Hope that clears it up.

i listened to the song "delivery" it sounds fine. like the 101ers, or some dudes that love the kinks, no crime in that...

but you know i saw some band from sheffield called the hipshakes that no one likes that kind of sound like the oblivions that were just as good as this probably better live, damn those dudes threw down hard....but this isn't bad, it's just weird that this band got so much hype.

Fair dos Erock!

pete doherty has made better music since libertines than carl barat has, but they were both still better together than with their new bands (and better still without mick jones producing)

i've bumped one for annie.

the best of does exist, amazingly. i dont know why they dont put out an album of rarities or unreleased stuff, or even some live tracks. this is basically just the first album more or less with a bit of the 2nd one and dont look back in the sun.

http://www.nme.com/news/the-libertines/31259

i wasn't joking - it was sitting in front of me as i typed...

NME.COM can exclusively reveal that The Libertines will release a 'best of' compilation album next month - and we have managed to get hold of full details of the record's tracklisting.

Powerful investigative journalism, there.

he looked like he was about to die in SEVEN AGES OF ROCK.

hey hey hey hey hey guyz, get this..................

"SHITTERS NATION" MORE LIKE!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

very good, yes.

ahem

I WONDER HOW WE COULD ALTER THIS ALBUM TITLE TO MAKE A WITTY COMMENT ON BABYSHAMBLES' STEEZ????

-- Noodle Vague, Saturday, 29 September 2007 11:00 (1 week ago) Link

it takes us a while but we get there in the end.

I think this album rules.

I love this album

Anyone know what's on the DVD that comes with the limitred edition version?

I hate how Amazon won't let you add to a pre-existing, not-yet-sent out order if you choose Free Super Saving shipping. I want this album! Wonder what the chances are that Best Buy will have it on the release date Tuesday?

Looks like they gave it a 4.0. Ouch !
I listened to a portion of this record in passing at a friend's house and in my mind there was no way this is that bad ! Pete Doherty antics aside, is this record really as teriible as this review makes it sound? Did I miss something ?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/46529-shotters-nation

Pitchfork: officially not an authority on anything

it's too late to be clever.

shitter nation redux.

if assholes could fly pitchfork would be an airport, amirite?

(i don't actually believe that)

4 is generous for this shower.

I was actually pretty shocked that Pitchfork gave the new Ryan Adams EP a score above a 6.

Anyway, back to Shotter's Nation. This is really growing on me. I think the production is wonderful.

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I was actually pretty shocked that Pitchfork gave the new Ryan Adams EP a score above a 6.

It should have been around 7.

Shotter's Nation score is fine. It should stay down there with S/T libertines as some of the weakest stuff he's done(not counting blinding ep)

I AM GOING TO A BABYSHAMBLES GIG NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You fucking nutter! WTF?

Why!? WHY!?!?!?!?

I was reading "Bring the Noise", and Grimey Simey seemed to enjoy going to gigs of bands he hated and having a shitty time back when he was a young gun music crit, and I thought "That sounds like a lark"

Also:

dom passantino is one staunch, hipster nationalist.

-- andi, Sunday, 30 September 2007 17:01 (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

Are you actually paying? Or blagging it off the back of your WP:NON-NOTABLE writing gig?

If you're paying - seek medical attantion

If not - point of honour - how quickly can you walk out (my quickest, when I was able to blag free tickets - Mike Monroe - 2/3 of the way through the first number)

The latter, I'm *that* stupid. I'm hoping for some nice seats, maybe a couple of canapes, a stiff Salty Dog from the barman would be nice.

i'm sorry, dom. i was drunk.

Maybe Dom's the supplier.

I've been to enough shit gigs by bands I actually like, so this is just crazy enough to work. Also I'd like to place a fiver on Dom entering the Priory by April next year.

"SHITTERS NATION" MORE LIKE!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, October 6, 2007 11:18 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

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Cotters' Nation?

word has it that these stadium gigs are less than half full and the atmosphere has been rubbish.

great news all round, fingers crossed he continues his path of getting older, fatter and more rubbish, and avoids the livefastdieyoung route to fake genius

word has it that these stadium gigs are less than half full and the atmosphere has been rubbish.

-- s.rose, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:49 (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

^^^had half off the seating taped off last night, plus the arena had the back wall pulled forward halfway.

Babyshambles: I just don't get it man. I really don't get it. The live show ends with a karaoke singalong to "Fuck Forever" with a bouncing ball on the lyrics, and the bouncing ball is the union jack. And the only place I've ever seen circular representations of the Union Jack before are on the badges of BNP candidates. Just sayin'

I was (I think) one of the first people to review the Libertines in print. They had a union jack on the bass drum (I dunno if they always did, that was the only time I saw them) and I wrote something to the effect of "wtf is that about, it looks stupid" which got taken out, presumably for not being partisan enough

What's weird is that they wave the Union Jack around, but it's about ENGLISHNESS not BRITISHNESS. Doherty's the Henman Hill of rock.

sometimes I wonder if I'd hate this band if I were English, and then I realize that I don't give a shit

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Babyshambles: I just don't get it man. I really don't get it. The live show ends with a karaoke singalong to "Fuck Forever" with a bouncing ball on the lyrics, and the bouncing ball is the union jack. And the only place I've ever seen circular representations of the Union Jack before are on the badges of BNP candidates. Just sayin'

So you're just sayin' a circular representation of the British flag makes Pete Doherty fascist?

www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2660920

has Dis been cadging its reviewers from Buddyhead this past couple months?

YA BURNT

Best zing in ages, ILX chuckleheads could pick up from that.