Killing Joke -vs- Steely Dan

Killing Joke is going to get creamed.

one confident vote for Killing Joke

The Clash is better them both of them.

people like to razz alex but early killing joke shit is bomb

M@tt, voice of truth as always

the first killing joke album is easily one of my favorites ever

i have no opinion on steely dan whatsoever

everything by killing joke up to and including fire dances rules the world.

still voting for steely dan though.

Killing Joke hardly needs my defending in this case. Yes, Jaz looks like shit these days (tho' so does Scott Seward, I'd wager), but their music takes a planet-engulfing dump on Steely Dan's weedy, jazzbo piffle every day of the apocalypse.

no contest.

joke by a knockout four seconds into round one.

steely dan from yokohama spurt buckets of hot jizz all over, extinguishing the fire

"es, Jaz looks like shit these days (tho' so does Scott Seward, I'd wager)"

SHEESH

no no it's yeesh

Scott can take it

yeah, i can take it. i mean, have you SEEN a picture of alex? like roadkill in sunglasses.

fyi, alex, just in case you haven't heard that new October File album yet, it's really good. Fierce Killing Joke metal with Jazzy Jaz on guest vox.

thompson twins are better than both of them

Hold Chaki now.

Yeah, I've heard it. S'alright.

that new October File album yet, it's really good. Fierce Killing Joke metal

This is true! Really good album. Alex, you should check out the Alchemist album too -- also very KJ.

I like the first three Killing Joke albums and their first live EP myself; after that, zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

So Steely Dan gets my vote.

Shocker.

I prefer Steely Dan but I'm voting for the Joke, 'cuz I'm fed up reading about Steely Dan on ILM

YEAH!

http://www.anirrationaldomain.net/images/jaz/jaz243.jpg

Are we voting for which band is uglier, or what?

'Cause that would be a truly tough call to make indeed!

Geordie wasn't ugly. Youth Martin certainly wasn't.

Don't know about now tho!

after that, zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Though, come to think of it, SD have been equally zzzzzz since Gaucho (and probably including most of Gaucho) at least. Which means they've been boring even longer than Killing Joke have! (Last SD album I care about: 1977. Last KJ album I care about: 1982) So maybe I should have taken that into consideration. (Oh wait, I kind of like The Nightfly -- that's 1982 too, right? But I don't think that counts any more than October File does.)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Going off of the two Steely Dan records I have (Aja and Gaucho) and the two Killing Joke records I have (S/T and What's THIS For...!), Killing Joke easily gets the vote for me.

OMG Killing Joke vs. Steely Dan LOLZ wow I mean that's a REAL tough decision there. Anyone with half a brain would go with KJ, I am SORRY.

and those with a full brain?

Full-brained folks tend not to waste their time here on ILM.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

pwnt

Steely Dan voters apparently scared to post here though

killing joke fans so angry and scary

Those aware of the world around them SHOULD be angry and scared.

That could quite possibly be the most pretentious retort I've ever posted. Time to open a beer, then!

PS: Steely Dan is boring.

just listened to killing joke for the first time - i didnt realize it was a goth thing

It's not.

http://www.lifeishell.de/oldcontent/goths2.jpg

Yes, those are goths. Lollipops for you, then.

that is a photo of killing joke

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

photo. argh. Go die.

lol

jhøshea ur family seems great!!!

yah tooo much drama tho

The "silent majority" at work, eh.

I voted for Killing Joke.

u r a goths?

This could quite possibly be the best two posts to follow each other ever on ILM:

Those aware of the world around them SHOULD be angry and scared.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

That could quite possibly be the most pretentious retort I've ever posted. Time to open a beer, then!

PS: Steely Dan is boring.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:35 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I am laughing uncontrollably at the Alex/jhøshea, goth/family exchange. I think I'm projecting myself into an alternate universe where that actually IS a photo of Killing Joke and LAUGHING! And then Alex getting all flustered at his "family of your family" comment. And then the idea that that actually IS a photo of jhøshea's family, drama-laden, of course. Humor!

I am not tired or drunk.

P.S. Steely Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke although "Change" is a masterpiece and I really really liked Pandemonium although I think I wound up getting rid of it.

hal blaine vs dave grohl

Killing Joke are good music and that's not a "goth thing."

I wish the goths at my high school had looked like that.

Oh I missed this one. Steely Dan would have gotten yet one more vote.

You don't say.

I only own two KJ albums but I'll take them over Steely Dan anyway. I'm sad SD won.

Obviously I voted for Steely Dan - and I love Killing Joke, at least the first two records & spots here and there. (Frankly I think the fire which they honored never really burned as bright again, though I got kicked in the teeth by that album that Grohl played on a couple years back) In re: the goth business though, I've said this before - they're not the sort of lamers who'd self-identify as goth, because they're not lamers. But Christian Death didn't ID as goth, either. Any band that'd describe themselves as "a goth band" is gonna suck balls. But in L.A. at least Killing Joke always occupied a sort of middle ground - punks liked them, so did the death rock kids who went nuts for TSOL's "Dance With Me." Their flickr portrait should rightly have a small-font "goth" tag on it.

But "are they goth or not goth?" is a stupid question. They're about as goth as the Birthday Party, which is to say, anybody who says there's no connection is lying or stupid, but anybody who thinks the tag is a sufficient descriptor is silly.

Steely Dan are goths.

^k.j. dickrider

Classy!

Steve Gadd vs Dave Grohl. hmm though one.

hmmm tough one.

is tallgoth redbraids into some burmese neck elongations trip?

am0n once again demonstrates why the ^ keystroke, along with the word "ban," should be banned

Steely Dan has way more good records. But aside from The Royal Scam, I never listen to the Dan on purpose. Whereas I still play the first and third Killing Joke records with some frequency.

Killing Joke are totally goth in the broad sense. That's part of what's good about them.

They're not fucking Goths and never were, for cryin' out loud. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, PEOPLE!

In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes.

All I know is that, the first time I ever heard Sisters of Mercy, I thought "they sort of sound like Killing Joke, but not as good."

Again, I think this begs a greater discussion as to what constitutes a Goth band. Don't think this is the thread for that.

"In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes."

...sarcastic rice cakes with unlimited funding and the best session players that money can buy.

***

Listen to "Complications" off the s/t Killing Joke record while staring at the cover of Fire Dances. Then get back to me on who's goth.

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

Killing Joke are only "goth" in the same way that Siouxsie and the Banshees are "goth" or for that matter Dead Can Dance are "goth" IE a bunch of goth bands ripped them off something rotten. There's a world of difference between KJ and, say the mission or sisters of mercy, not least KJ are GREAT and do not SUCK.

Haha! I'm going to have good dreams now. Thank you Alex. :)

Alex rules when he's all bent out of shape.

I dunno, I have my doubts about the Alex in NYC reunion tour.

Dude sure likes Killing Joke, I'll give him that.

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:46 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

-- Alex in NYC, Monday, November 26, 2007 12:47 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Classy!

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

WHY I DISLIKE ALEX IN NYC, A LESSON IN THREE PARTS.

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

later kj albums get really samey

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

oh yeah dickrider is up on some vanguard shit, you never hear that from, like, everybody

I think it's a really lame insult because it boils down to "you're showing too much enthusiasm" = really? eat shit, then, asshole

ok now i see why trolling wrong and i am sorry

I prefer his earlier work.

naw, it's more than showing too much enthusiasm. it's blind fanboy bullshit, an inability to admit that maybe your tastes are not for everybody, and CONSISTENTLY deriding those who disagree with you. xpp

Why does the cobra bite me when I put my hand next to its mouth?

Used to be more of a surprise factor.

Wait, people are still getting butthurt over Alex in NYC?

people are still saying butthurt?!

butthurt is a good word.

Better than dickride?

Not that I agree with the analogies, but why is a band that's an analogous to a power tool better than a band that's analogous to a rice cake? Rice cakes may be bland, but power tools just make me think of blunt masculine energy, which I rarely find appealing.

power tools go right to my hips : (

Let's take the transcripts of arguments between 6th grade boys on the back of school buses, parse them, and judge the insults. I am sure this will bear fruit!

If you fell into a cave, and it was full of power tools and rice cakes, I bet you'd be way more into the rice cakes.

Or you could use the power tools to drill through the walls and get out.

well if the cave has free utilities then you might as well just live there

rice cakes are good w/cream cheese

im going to add some rice cakes and cream cheese to my fresh direct order

Turning into a TITTWWS thread.

J0hnD. is capt. save-a-controversy. p.s. u madddd

can't wait 4 his willfully naive rebutt-al!!! XD

Power tools are mostly battery operated now, ya know.

And if you fall on a big pile of them, you can just use another one when the previous one's battery runs out.

Look, I got this "escape from a fucking cave" thing all worked out in my head.

maybe you could fashion the rice cakes into a ladder using the power tools

I think I once read a Walker Percy novel based on a famous philosophical conundrum similar to this one.

Ricecakes In the Ruins

Yeah, that was it.

I have zero history with Alex (I'm still very new here), but his comment made me laugh out loud at the end of a long day. He's ok by me. :)

WHY I DISLIKE ALEX IN NYC, A LESSON IN THREE PARTS.

It's well beyond mutual, ass monkey!

So the more ds, the maddddddder u r?

Why must people be so utterly humorless?

Killing jokes.

I laughed.

you're so vain
you probably think this thread is about you

This thread was composed as a retort to this thread, so yes -- it might as well be about me.

PS: Up yours.

this looks like a cool cd:

2000 VA- Gothic Club Classics audio
A double-CD collection of true gothic club classics! Not any Bauhaus, Nephilim, Xymox or Mission song, but their absolute best, most recognized, and most essential tracks for the newly converted: The Mission UK's Wasteland, Bauhaus' Bela Lugosi, The Clan's Louise, X-mal's Incubus Succubus II , Killing Joke's Love Like Blood, Nick Cave's Weeping Song, Fields of the Nephilim's MoonChild, and several other leading gothic bands like Dreadful Shadows, Love Like Blood, Inkubus Sukkubus, Theatre of Tragedy and many more. 28 songs.

so does this one:

2006: VA - A Life Less Lived: The Gothic Boxaudio
"A 4-disc box (3 CDs + DVD), with 53 songs and 12 videos originally released between 1978 and 1998, this boxed set provides a uniquely comprehensive listen into the largest underground scene in the world. Long before its black velvet and pale skin fashions crept into American malls, Goth music represented an underground movement led by fans who favored songs that tapped into the antisocial energy of punk but celebrated dark introspection, tempestuous atmospherics and visual panache. Rhino brings together influential bands that rarely or never participate in Gothic music compilations to create a fascinating cross-section of all matters pertaining to Goth. The box set includes essential classic hits from the founders of the gothic rock movement including Bauhaus, Joy Division, The Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, The Jesus And Mary Chain, The Mission UK, Echo & The Bunnymen, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Love And Rockets, Fields Of The Nephilim, Ghost Dance, Peter Murphy, The Danse Society, Clan Of Xymox, Xmal Deutschland, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, The Damned, Killing Joke and many more."

well if the cave has free utilities then you might as well just live there

qft

What the fuck do they know? I don't consider Joy Division or the J&MC goths either, for what it's worth.

..and nor should anyone.

See, that last post is where I just start laughing at you.

joy division are the precursors to minimal house, everyone knows that

i bet steely dan has the highest percentage of fans who used to loath them of any band.

How long will the new Alex'n'Nate comedy team last?

Never loathed them, just considered them a guilty pleasure. Have since dropped the guilty part.

See, that last post is where I just start laughing at you.

Funnily enough, I've been laughing at you since before I can remember.

Joy Division aren't goths. Inspiration to the Goths? Sure. But to call Joy Division goths does them a profound disservice.

Alex has forgotten all of us, Rock Hardy. Maybe he should have revived the Alzheimer's thread last week.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/crumblaughing.jpg

http://walkerart.org/archive/D/AB737183A1BE364D6168.jpg

Killing Joke hardly needs my defending in this case. Yes, Jaz looks like shit these days (tho' so does Scott Seward, I'd wager), but their music takes a planet-engulfing dump on Steely Dan's weedy, jazzbo piffle every day of the apocalypse.

― Alex in NYC, Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:33 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark

LOL

i like killing joke tbh (i bought their first record at a store a few years ago and the guy loled and said, "i've been waiting for that one to move every since i opened the store...four years ago") but i think the comparison between their impish goth new wave punk thing and steely dan's carefully constructed, literate hard rock is a little weird?

planet-engulfing dump

Said it once & I'll assuredly say it again: FUCK Steely Dan.

Steely Dan is almost perfect but that is for another thread.

went into this thread wishing i'd been around to vote for killing joke...

jazz-rock beats goth every time.

not every time.

there are absolutely no circumstances in which steely dan are preferable to killing joke.

i can totally understand this POV if you're into goth

I'm into goth and the answer to this is still Steely Dan

i think "the royal scam" is the most goth steely dan album

Very classy homophobia upthread, et al.