A Thread for Hilarious RONG Things my Sociology of Pop Music Prof Says

"The Pretty Hate Machines really ushered in the punk, grunge, alternative angst thing."

Best thread ever already.

^^^^^^verbatim?????? xpost

Re: "The Message"

"Now they call it sampling, but this ripping off of musical ideas that Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did..."

please post a picture of this man

all are direct quotes i hurriedly transcribed in class xxp

Re: "When Doves Cry"

"All these songs from the 1980s that we've been listening to, particularly the songs that deal with social issues, are really an outgrowth of the death of John Lennon."

Re: "9 to 5" by Dolly Parton

"The film and the song '9 to 5' really did more for the cuase of women than all the marches of the 60s and 70s combined."

(plz to note this is a 60 year old woman that is talking here)

haha this is great. if it were some 17 year-old blogger i'd say we shouldn't pick on him. but this guy's teaching a course on pop music!

Re: "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"

"Easily one of the most important songs ever written by anyone."

Is Hardcore Metal stuff like Foghat or more like Cinderella?

Re: "All My Exes Live in Texas"

"A few years ago, Texas State (hoos note: my uni) gave George Strait an honorary doctorate."

Not so much rong as *facepalm*

Re: "America" by Neil Diamond

"The Iranians released the hostages because they thought Reagan would follow through on his campaign promises."

Re: "We Are the World"

"This song really began the process of musical integration in pop music."

I'm so happy I skipped the day we covered "Fight the Power" and "Freedom of Speech."

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band really introduced, invented the concept of the album."

"Bob Dylan was, by all accounts and his own admission, the leader of the protest movement."

Re: "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire

"You can really hear McGuire reaching for that rough, gravelly Dylan sound."

I'm so happy I skipped the day we covered "Fight the Power" and "Freedom of Speech."

I'M NOT. You owe us.

Re: "These Boots Are Made for Walking"

"One of the first feminist songs"

xp oh we're covering some Ice Cube and RATM and that all-star cover of "What's Going On" next time, don't you worry.

Re: "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"

"Easily one of the most important songs ever written by anyone."

this is RITE however

The Trouble with the Sociology of Pop

Re: "Cloud 9" by the temptations

"This song is not about drugs."

too true xxpost

Re: "Spirit in the Sky"

"This is a very inclusive song, even the Eastern Buddhist-slash-New-Age types found something to like in here..."

Must be the fuzztone riff.

"The Stooges really revived punk rock after the Rolling Stones invented it in the 60s."

"Kool DJ Herc invented hip-hop out of thin air at a birthday party for his sister."

^ rong only to pedants, i suppose

In a kind of incredible turn today, though, she told us that one of her former students was best friends with Jeremy Wade Dell, the kid that "Jeremy" is about. He emailed her after class and told her, then brought in and let her make a copy of what was effectively his suicide letter. She read it out loud to us. It was intense.

ok guys that's my store for the day, i'm sure i'll have more come wednesday though.

1) Love this thread. A+

2)this might be kind of....true in a way?

"The Stooges really revived punk rock after the Rolling Stones invented it in the 60s."

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, November 26, 2007 9:34 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I was googling for this women and found out that I missed the 2002 Buddy Holly Symposium. Damn.

Do you ever correct her?

You know, we have to get this woman and Geir together.

jokes on HOOS for majoring in soc

http://www.ghostbusters.se/foton/danalouis.jpg

Have you told her about this thread, HOOS?

This woman is employed to come out with this stuff?

wow..... wow

Re: "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"

"Easily one of the most important songs ever written by anyone."

Are you positive you didn't mishear "a member of the Hooters" as "anyone?"

In all seriousness, Hoos, it is incumbent upon you to AT THE VERY LEAST bring up these specifics in the course evaluation. Not in the spirit of getting her fired (if she's in her sixties, she most likely has tenure anyway) but simply because she's transmitting false information in MOST instances (I have no qualms with someone calling practically ANY song one of the most important ever written; whether or not such a statement is useful for the course is another matter).

And do so as professionally as possible. It won't do any good to say something like "you're a fucking moron." Seriously. It's one of the few methods you have at your disposal to help prevent this from happening again.

And tell her KJB sent you.

Well, you don't think this is serious, James Redd?

I had to sit through one of these courses too and it was hell.

I mean, the first two comments are flat-out incorrect. This one is more opinion:

"Now they call it sampling, but this ripping off of musical ideas that Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did..."

Is it grotesquely misinformed opinion? Of course. But that's not quite transmitting false information.

Bring to class a guitar that spurts white liquid whenever you disagree with her.

Re: "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire

"You can really hear McGuire reaching for that rough, gravelly Dylan sound."

This one seems correct to me too. Keyword: reaching.

haha -- I'm Not There has a great crack about "Eve of Destruction."

Re: "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"

"Easily one of the most important songs ever written by anyone."

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver,

I was going to post that this was, at least, correct, but I see it's been done already.

Are you positive you didn't mishear "a member of the Hooters" as "anyone?"

robert hazard innit? best song ever written by a member of the hooters is "time after time."

i don't know, i paid 2 grand to hear worse shit than this -- and a lot less amusing shit -- at college. this sounds pretty fun.

i took some class like this and one time i got drunk before and went off cuz the TA was saying that british punk was so much better than american punk.

Bring to class a guitar that spurts white liquid whenever you disagree with her.

^^^^ YES

when the campus police arrest you you can say you were just making a Prince homage

"Now they call it sampling, but this ripping off of musical ideas that Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did..."

Is it grotesquely misinformed opinion? Of course. But that's not quite transmitting false information.

-- Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, November 26, 2007 2:27 PM (Monday, November 26, 2007 2:27 PM) Bookmark Link

It's false because there's no sampling in "The Message"!

this might be kind of....true in a way?

"The Stooges really revived punk rock after the Rolling Stones invented it in the 60s."

Eh. Assuming the Stones did invent punk rock (!), the statement implies that there was a moment in the 1960s when punk rock (!!) died and was thus ripe for revival. Nuggets and Pebbles dispel that theory. Besides the first Stooges album was released in 1969. In fact, they TELL you as much on their first record.

kjb think of the lolz... plz

It's false because there's no sampling in "The Message"!

Ah! I didn't see "re: "The Message." I thought she was talking about the band in general. Well, there's another one.

Kevin John Sabotage

kjb think of the lolz... plz

I am. Some of them ARE funny. But I doubt I'd find many of them funny sitting in a class I paid money for (and prolly a lot of $). And I'm sure that holds for most ILMers. I mean, look at how people got apoplexy when Xgau writes "back-in-the-day" as a noun (or whatever the hell the complaint was). Can you imagine the same folks sitting in an entire (presumably semester long) course where the prof talks about The Pretty Hate Machines? Cronenberg-esque head explosions all around.

i think you should get on the next bus to hoosten university and sort this out dude.

Dude looks like a lady.

1st ever blues song

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band really introduced, invented the concept of the album."

In The Wee Small Hours?

Hoos being in Sociology of Pop Music class explains a lot

i said "sort this out dude" not "sort out this dude."

kevin you must be fun at parties

T/S: Alex in NYC vs Sociology of Pop Music Prof

Do you ever correct her?

-- filthy dylan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:48 (1 hour ago) Link

I did initially, then I stopped cause I didn't wanna be that guy. Now if something is especially egregious I'll mention it to her after class.

jokes on HOOS for majoring in soc

-- moonship journey to baja, Monday, 26 November 2007 22:06

thanks be to lennon that i didn't.

Hoos you should just derail the class by asking ILM thread questions

"why does x people never want to y"

"minimal house: C or D"

professor, why is there no emancipation of mimi thread?!?!?!?!

"what was the best single by Steve Harley/Cockney Rebel? Also, is it more acceptable for musicians to take drugs, and how does that impact their creativity?"

"Dave Matthews Band: "

lololol @ all these

"minimal house: C or D"

this, plz

kevin you must be fun at parties

Parties are free, sweet cheeks. (Well, the ones I go to.) (Well, sometimes you gotta bring chips and whatnot.) So I'm a blast.

just stand up in the middle of class and blurt it out. make sure to say the abrv cee or dee

totes

and film it ok

Your Favorite Rap Couplets of the Moment, You Contrarian-Ass Mutha!

"OMG 50 CENT CAM'RON DIS"

Dude looks like a lady.

-- Ned Raggett, Monday, November 26, 2007 10:51 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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1st ever blues song

-- jhøshea, Monday, November 26, 2007 10:51 PM

lol

'"It's The End Of The World As We Know It" vs. "We Didn't Start The Fire": which is more annoying, and why?'

"Has there been a great american metal band since the golden age of death?"

i admire HOOS for this thread. target = funnies. target: achieved.

how anal/creative are you with itunes genre labeling?!

hypothesis: people who respond to other people on the internet by addressing them as "sweet cheeks" are 100% correlated with people who are never worth talking to ever

HARDMAN

Where's that thread, El Tomboto, er, sweet cheeks? xpost

Tombot 4-4-2

proof!!!

I can't get over the thread-starting NIN comment, which leaves synthpop/dance music out of the equation entirely

you mean it's not accurate??

Throbbing Gristle combined outlaw country and the civil rights movement to invent French New Wave cinema.

didn't SPIN magazine once run a cover story on Nick Cave that read THE LAST ROCK STAR.

I remember feeling sad because I didn't want him to be the last. But they called it.

Can we take bets here on WHO INVENTED EMO?

Evanescence

Warrant

Atmosphere

Roxy Music oh wait

Emo Phillips

I was thinking more like Carly Simon. This is higher ed from what I understand.

(This class should be on DVD. It's got a built-in audience.)

Your search - "sweet cheeks" site:ilxor.com - did not match any documents.

;_;

Maybe she was mixing up "The Message" and "White Lines," because "White Lines" did rip off liquid liquid without sampling them.

now i'm one of those posters.

nevermind me HOOS, plz keep it up.

Conal Furay and Michael J. Salevouris define historiography as "the study of the way history has been and is written — the history of historical writing... When you study 'historiography' you do not study the events of the past directly, but the changing interpretations of those events in the works of individual historians."[1] One should be cautious, however, that in the sense given in the previous paragraph when a historian does historiography she is actually studying "the events of the past directly".

-Wiki

I've decided that I like your professor's interpretation of musical history better than the other one. I'm making the switch. Who is brave enough to come with me?

I've decided that I like your professor's interpretation of musical history better than the other one. I'm making the switch. Who is brave enough to come with me?

I'm in. It's either stick with the rest of you losers or go with the originator of dancehall. No-brainer.

While this thread is amusing, the root of it raises a serious issue which pretty much everyone on ILM would probably agree with, i.e. the fact that pop music is hideously inadequately approached by academia. If someone gave a film studies class full of this kind of bullshit, inaccuracy, short-sighted opinion and foundation-less conjecture they'd get fired, so why is it allowed with pop music?

To be honest I'm not sure why pop music should need to be 'approached by academia' at all.

The 'academia approach' to pop music was started by Bob Dylan.

That sounds like a Richard Meltzer question. Seriously, if this is an undergraduate class, it's likely stocked with undergrads looking for an easy A. I don't think that pop music is being interrogated here. And there are academics grappling with pop music. Look at the faculty of the Musicology department at UCLA.

Also, these quotes are ridiculous not just because they are wrong, but because they miss the point of a sociology class. The music should be the context for discussing the social environments surrounding it. Ie: Is this what was going on in hip-hop in the 1980s, and here was the interplay between hip-hop and the communities of people who listened to it. The quotes from this professor are at best the realm of music history (or a music department, not a sociology department) and at worst, have no place in Academia. (What is the most important song ever? WTF?)

And I don't want to get heavily into justifying why Academia should be working on pop music (mostly because this thread is hysterical and shouldn't become a heavy treatise on the boundaries of Academia), tell Adorno or Attali that they shouldn't be writing about pop music.

Well, "Girls just want to have fun" is the most important song ever written from a sociological perspective, as it posits the hypothesis that when the working day is done, that girls are generally of the expectation, certainly the opinion, and definitely the inclination, to have fun. Wether this perspective reduces due to the transition from girl to womanhood, amking this a source of disappointment is not really interrogated, however there is a case to be made that women are less interested in fun, or at least have other considerations to behold.

"Oh Daddy dear you know you're still number one" = implicit acceptance of the patriarchy.

You're pulling my chain, Mark, right?

I think academia should approach everything, pretty much, but that's beside the point; academia is approaching pop music, here, and it's doing it disgustingly badly, which can only be bad for both academia and pop music.

I'm saying that Academia isn't touching pop music here. A professor mascarading as an Academic is talking about pop music. But she's not using any of the actual tools of Academia to approach the music. Like: What texts is she using (historically and critically)?

Um, I was, sort of, but I sort of warmed to the subject...

In a sort of kind of way.

Either way, however there is a case to be made that women are less interested in fun, or at least have other considerations to behold. = CLASSIC

It was originally written as 'Boys Just Want to Have Fun', wasn't it?

So while security is irrelevant, what is pertinent to young adults is continuous fun and the desire to avoid boredom. Brands and entertainment venues need to interact with the market and continually reinvent what they offer. Young adults are busier than ever before, but work night, school night, if there's something on, they're up for it. This increase in demand has been driven by an increase in opportunity. They are greatly motivated by the desire to not miss out on anything. I mean, who wants to hear the next day about some great thing that happened when you weren't around?

There are some gender differences, though, as to what young people are into. More young urban males attend major sporting events, major festivals and raves whereas more females attend major music gigs and live theatre. More young men go to the movies and to local music gigs whereas more females frequent cafes, pubs and clubs.

It's not just organised events that the youth market is interested in. Young adults are growing up in an instantaneous world and are not prepared to wait for anything. Once upon a time young adults were content to wait for their TV program to start, but now they'll do something else in the meantime. They won't wait for the news to tell them the weather; they'll look it up using digital TV, the internet, or their mobiles. And they certainly won't wait for a friend if they're running late; they'll call or SMS them to see what's going on.

And usually there's a lot going on. In their world of constant movement, things that don't change are perceived as old. If they don't go to a movie when it first comes out then they probably won't go to see it because there's something newer to see. Unless it's a blockbuster with special effects that cannot be fully appreciated on DVD and unless they hear by word of mouth that they can't afford to miss it. Knowing a lot about movies is, along with sport and music, the highest value of social currency.

But it's social currency of a disposable income with a minimal attention span and a desire to cram something into every moment, providing opportunities for youth-savvy organisations that can supply young adults with interactive content. Think consumer electronics, entertainment devices, movies and social network websites.

The prevalence of entertainment in all areas of life has proven that practicality and ease of use are no longer enough in the realm of personal electronics. Nokia is now the leading digital camera producer in the world, because it's all about convergence: phones with cameras, games and MP3 players, game consoles with widescreen displays, wi-fi for multiplayer gaming, web browsers, photo albums and e-mail capability.

Edgar Bronfman jnr, chairman and chief executive, Warner Music Group, understands the possibilities of convergence. In his address at the CTIA Wireless IT & Entertainment Conference late last year he said: "One of the principal reasons we acquired Warner Music in early 2004 was that we were convinced that we could make the company evolve, and that we could take a company that simply sold music on shiny plastic discs and turn it into a music-based content company, one that would exploit the many developing forms and varieties of digital distribution and transmission, and sell not only our artists' music but a wide range of innovative, music-based content, audio content, video content, graphic content and text content to an ever-expanding consumer base."

He said the mobile phone "is not only the most popular innovation in the history of consumer technology, as a unified device it will have a profound social, economic, and cultural impact on our global society".

The next of these impacts will be an influx of wireless music stores. Last year Europe and Asia launched services for downloading full-length songs straight to mobiles. And now the US is ready to enter the market. With electronic companies such as Samsung at the helm with their SCH-a950 phone that features, among other extras, a clamshell handpiece with stereo speakers and a thumbwheel for cuing up songs.

Which is sure to mean more music while walking to the train, waiting for it to arrive and while journeying to the next social engagement. She may have retro-chic appeal, but I have one word of advice for all those Lauper fans among you: headphones. If you're authentically trying to communicate with the youth of today, although they just want to have a good time, you still need to speak the same language.

Dion Appel is chief executive and co-founder of Lifelounge, a branded content and marketing agency that specialises in the youth demographic. d✧✧✧@lifelou✧✧✧.n✧✧

citation: http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/opinion-girls-and-boys-just-want-to-have-fun/2006/03/07/1141493617828.html

oops, I meant to post only the first two paragraphs there.

This reminds me, I once read in an sociology book that some English sociologist had theorized one of the reason rock music appeals especially to young working-class men is that it reminds them of the factory noises they hear at work. And this was like in the eighties!

I would like to say "hi" to the pinefox, whose presence has been sorely missed!

Squarepusher records are almost exclusively bought by road workers, incidentally.

best thread ever. its as if the class was taught by Patrick Bateman.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/5/55/JohnCaleAcademyInPeril.jpg

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/images/features/topvillains/10brooks050107.jpg

"Paula Cole's 'where have all the cowboys gone' is a heartbreaking lament for the plight of the modern American farmer."

uh, i mean...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1773/patrickswingaxhr2.jpg

My English Professor's a HACK

if this is an undergraduate class, it's likely stocked with undergrads looking for an easy A. I don't think that pop music is being interrogated here. And there are academics grappling with pop music. Look at the faculty of the Musicology department at UCLA.

Also, these quotes are ridiculous not just because they are wrong, but because they miss the point of a sociology class.

^^^^ otm

it's likely stocked with undergrads looking for an easy A. I don't think that pop music is being interrogated here

ding ding

i saw yo mama the other day, right?

she had on a sweat shirt, said "UCLA" on it.

i was like god damn, I didn't know you went to college!

she said "I DIDNT - MY NAME'S OOOKLAH"

"To be honest I'm not sure why pop music should need to be 'approached by academia' at all.

-- Matt DC"

amen. fuck academia.

i saw yo mama the other day, right?

she had on a sweat shirt, said "UCLA" on it.

i was like god damn, I didn't know you went to college!

she said "I DIDNT - MY NAME'S OOOKLAH"

Quite possibly the funniest joke ever on a rap (or "rap") album. And people think psychoanalysis is humorless.

YEAH, FUCK ACADEMIA

lol

FOR RODNEY KING

FOR MARION BARRY

FOR DESCARTES

FOR JOHNNY RAMONE

FOR NANCY SINATRA

for usa for africa

For Love Not Lisa?

For Squirrels

4 non blondes

FORGOT ABOUT DRE

Fuck academia. Fuck academia? Fuck. Academia! Fuck. Academia?

Fuckademia Nuts

guys are you ready to hear what she has to say about rage against the machine's "know your enemy" cause that is going down like there's a whale in the boat circa tomorrow

FOR BARBEQUE SAUCE.

lol A+ random wfb ref hoos.

william f buckley?
wells fargo bank?

Help me to understaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!

wfb, man.

Warhammer: Fantasy Battle.

whale in a f'n boat

guys are you ready to hear what she has to say about rage against the machine's "know your enemy" cause that is going down like there's a whale in the boat circa tomorrow

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 07:18 (3 hours ago) Link

Go.

HOOS, when does your semester end? any chance i could Fed Ex you a video camera for some YouTube hilarity?

yearning

If you do just one thing for me in this life, HOOS, please get her to spin out her interpretation of "American Pie" and transcribe it for us all.

has this perfesser ever played percussion for the rock band gay dad?

If you do just one thing for me in this life, HOOS, please get her to spin out her interpretation of "American Pie" and transcribe it for us all.

-- John Justen, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 18:51

We have already done this! She just gave us a lengthy and arcane spreadsheet. It was awesome.

Sorry about the delay, btw guys, internet went down on the entire campus today (?!).

"Tupac really was a big softie, his record company made him do all that thug stuff. Read interviews with the rappers, they'll tell you that the execs will turn them away if their lyrics aren't violent or misogynistic enough!"

"Kurt Cobain & Zach De La Rocha (Rage Against the Machine) had a lto in common, in that they both wanted their music to be a revolutionary call to political consciousness."

PLZ TO EMAIL ME LENGTHY AND ARCANE SPREADSHEET PLZ PLZ

"Kid Rock was really the 90s version of John Lennon, and 'Bawitdaba' was his 'Give Peace a Chance.'"

btw guys in case you are curious, here are the transcribed lyrics of the opening 1.5 minutes of "Bawitdaba," according to my course packet paid for in part by the citizens of the State of Texas.

Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
My name is Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kid Rock!!!!!!!!
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie

^ your tax dollars at work, people

I will have to scan spreadsheet etc etc but I will do my due diligence or whatever it's called.

"Of course, as we all know, Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopez left us in 1994 in a plane crash."

also can we please note that Bawitdaba actually sounded kind of awesome on auditorium speakers

"'Sing for the Moment' was really Eminem's artistic peak."

also can we please note that Bawitdaba actually is on awesome.

hoos making this shit up. she did not say that left eye shit.

"The black panther portion of 'Black or White' was really MJ expressing his frustration at separatists within the black community."

^ this would be fascinating if true, and i'm not sure, can anyone verify this

hoos making this shit up. she did not say that left eye shit.

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:38 AM

no lie holmes

i wasn't really feeling this tread up until 2 minutes ago. HOOS in '08

"Kid Rock was really the 90s version of John Lennon, and 'Bawitdaba' was his 'Give Peace a Chance.'"

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:31 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ok you're taking the piss now!

"Kid Rock was really the 90s version of John Lennon, and 'Bawitdaba' was his 'Give Peace a Chance.'"

"Of course, as we all know, Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopez left us in 1994 in a plane crash."

Ok, I'm starting to think this is a hoax along the lines of that "I'm going to listen to some crap Sisters of Mercy 12" mix 1000 times in a row wish me luck" thread.

The first "factoid" sounds like it came out of a John Waters movie. And my nine year old niece could google the facts of Left Eye's death in two seconds. This is starting to smell fishy.

It's weird cause sometimes she'll say some really penetrating and insightful stuff about, say, "Anarchy in the U.K.," but then she follows it up with something 0_o like the Left Eye thing.

Guys this is all 1000% legit I shit you not. I will scan in copies of my handwritten transcriptions with some scanner somewhere.

"Kid Rock was really the 90s version of John Lennon, and 'Bawitdaba' was his 'Give Peace a Chance.'"

Her argument here was that "Bawitdaba" was really about how we all needed to learn to "love someone," no matter how unsavory they might seem on the outside.

"Of course, as we all know, Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopez left us in 1994 in a plane crash."

I chalked that one up to a verbal slip, cause we listened to "Unpretty" and it said "1999" in gigantic font on a huge screen. And maybe she was mixing up Left Eye with Aaliyah?

ok that would make sense

also plz take sanskrit up on the videocam offer

It's weird cause sometimes she'll say some really penetrating and insightful stuff about, say, "Anarchy in the U.K."

Well, what did she say about it?

And if you're lying, you have an extremely successful career in comedy ahead of you.

except that neither aaliyah nor left eye died in 1994. she basically combined the deaths of left eye, aaliyah and kurt cobain.

She also read us an apparent quote from Cobain at age 14, "I'm gonna grow up and be a rock star and then kill myself."

Does anybody have any idea where the hell this is documented?

The same place where she read that Left Eye died in a 1994 plane crash.

Well, what did she say about it?

She was talking about the band as being essentially a construction of McLaren, how when Lydon quit playing along he got Sid to be his puppet, etc etc. Nothing especially insightful in "ILM terms," (wow that makes me sound like a dick) but a total breath of fresh air after being inundated with incorrect factoids.

I bet. So I think someone asked this before but do you (or anyone else) ever politely raise your hand and say, "Actually, Ms. Pop Soc, Left Eye died in a crash in 2002"?

Yeah I was trying to correct her at first, myself and a couple others, but after a while we all gave up. Now if something is especially egregious and multi-layered WTFery (like Reznor inventing Industrial) I'll mention it after class.

Does she respond well to any of the corrections?

KJB WHY DO YOU HATE FUN SHUT UP

more funny plz

how the fuck is asking questions hating fun?

unless, you know, you're a pea-brain?

OH SNAP

it's not worth it, john.

(real answer - the endless stream of incredulity and demands for academic retribution on this dumb woman is missing the point of the thread, which is LAFFS)

hoos its time you started chiming in w/some lulz action of yr own! here we will help you:

"wouldnt you agree that its impossible to overstate the influence of british skiffle on late period stevie wonder"

"i find that the fact that elvis died while reading robert johnson's autobiography in the bathtub to be an interesting aside at best - its significance has been blown way out of proportion by contemporary musicologists!"

"lisa lisa and cult jam are the new supremes."

right, no actual thinking allowed. got it. (xpost)

Apparently not.

Did I not say that Hoos has a future in comedy if he's lying? Sheesh. And thanx, Matos.

Fwiw, I laughed out loud at this (too):

"she basically combined the deaths of left eye, aaliyah and kurt cobain."

O M G O M G O M G

stfu Kevin John Bozelka

I mean this shit is really really funny but it's also worrying that it's getting taught in a class to people who (as Kevin mentioned) are paying for it. A thread can contain both sentiments, honest.

(the fact that it's worrying is a lot of WHY it's funny)

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stfu Kevin John Bozelka

aw snowflake

"i find that the fact that elvis died while reading robert johnson's autobiography in the bathtub to be an interesting aside at best - its significance has been blown way out of proportion by contemporary musicologists!"

LOL!!!!!!! Crying! Snot coming out of nose! Choking on cold turkey hot dogs! Rolling around on floor like Marge Simpsons wondering what would happen if Lynda Carter and George Foreman had a baby!

There. Ya happy?

just one Marge Simpson

ty better maybe next time mountain dew could come out yr nose tho?

Snot comes out much less painfully.

Also in the fwiw category: If I could pick the way I die, it would be from laughter. Apparently, some woman eons ago could not stop laughing at a costume from a performance of The Threepenny Opera. She was asked to leave the theatre at intermission and literally could not stop laughing for a week unitl she just expired. That's the way to go.

which is a signal for MORE STORIES PLZ HOOS

Or more fake ones, jhøshea.

This:

The film and the song '9 to 5' really did more for the cuase of women than all the marches of the 60s and 70s combined."

is way more insightful (and interesting) than this:

the band as being essentially a construction of McLaren, how when Lydon quit playing along he got Sid to be his puppet

HOOS, my sole question at this point -- what OTHER classes does she teach?

And yeah, some documentation, audio, visual, to add to the notes would be entertaining/horrifying (for all the reasons Matos mentions).

i had a philosophy prof in college that would play stuff like autechre and red krayola before class started to get us "in the mood". pretty cool, but he would get a little pissy cuz i could usually identify what he was playing.

Ok guys I'm back from dinner, but out of stories for the evening. Only one class day left! I feel like I've been depriving everyone.

HOOS, my sole question at this point -- what OTHER classes does she teach?

Social Stratification (took it with her this summer)
Sociology of Pop Culture (great class, glad I didn't take it with her)

ask her why michael jackson bleached himself and how it related to nirvana's bleach

She was talking about the band as being essentially a construction of McLaren, how when Lydon quit playing along he got Sid to be his puppet, etc etc. Nothing especially insightful in "ILM terms," (wow that makes me sound like a dick) but a total breath of fresh air after being inundated with incorrect factoids.

So your teacher is getting her rock crit theory from the teenage emo kids at altpress.com forums?

This issue always bugs me so: FUCK THAT NOISE.

"System of a Down's first single was 'Bang Bang Bang' "

TS: Raekwon vs. RZA 8 diagrams who was right

How old is she?

(plz to note this is a 60 year old woman that is talking here)

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, November 26, 2007 1:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

is this her?

E-stalking HOOS' professors is kind of O_o.

I love the fake quotes that have come up so far (sort of like another couple threads of that sort I've seen here) and think those should continue.

xp:
Stalking?

Anyway, ppl asking.
please post a picture of this man

-- El Tomboto, Monday, November 26, 2007 9:22 PM (3 days ago)
How old is she?

-- roxymuzak, Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:46 AM (56 minutes ago)
etc.

In a kind of incredible turn today, though, she told us that one of her former students was best friends with Jeremy Wade Dell, the kid that "Jeremy" is about. He emailed her after class and told her, then brought in and let her make a copy of what was effectively his suicide letter. She read it out loud to us. It was intense.

so what you're saying is that, in a way, Jeremy spoke in class today?

"i find that the fact that elvis died while reading robert johnson's autobiography in the bathtub to be an interesting aside at best - its significance has been blown way out of proportion by contemporary musicologists!"
Obviously she is unaware of, or chooses to ignore, Willie Nelson's words on the subject.

ask her why michael jackson bleached himself and how it related to nirvana's bleach

actual lol at this ^

no one email her this thread until HOOS gets his grade. show some heart people.

wait? is she aware of this Internet thing? If so, has it changed music? I believe The Prodigy were the band who invented it with their shocking "electro-rock." Heavily influenced by the Cars, the first synth-pop group. Greg Hawkes was the inventor of the synthesizer. Well, he established it as the "premier instrument of its day."

"The Clash were an enormous influence on the newly discovered reggae movement, and artists like Bob Marley, Burning Spear, and Sting."

OMG. I just realized: Burning Spear = Britney Spears! Holy shit, the conspiracy has been uncovered!

tell her Madness invented ska

Did the Beatles invent British music?

And what is the difference between Jass-Rock and Jazz-Rock?

Did David Crosby create Freebase Rock?

And to the poster who offered up that brilliant analysis of Girls Just Want to Have Fun, YOU deserve to teach this course. Your local community college would be lucky to have you.

BTW, where is this wonderful class happening?

jazz-rock is tautology, if we're going by literal meaning.

And to the poster who offered up that brilliant analysis of Girls Just Want to Have Fun, YOU deserve to teach this course. Your local community college would be lucky to have you.
So it's settled: after ILM-backed ouster of current instructor, new course to be taught by rotating triumvirate of Bozelka, Kogan and Grout.

Guys, you know we could do this.

It would be so unfair to everyone else running this course. And the people in *their* classes.

I'd like to nominate my MOM to teach this course. She still thinks Rolling Stone magazine and the Rolling Stones are the same thing...she's not far off, I guess, but still...

"Last year, Rolling Stone magazine fell out of a tree and broke his leg. Also, he did a ton of drugs during the 70s."

"Industrial music was invented by Ska fans who were fed up with the strictures of Detroit Techno. The Aphex Twins were first in this revolution."

"Richard and his brother James"

i had a philosophy prof in college that would play stuff like autechre and red krayola before class started to get us "in the mood". pretty cool, but he would get a little pissy cuz i could usually identify what he was playing. -- tricky, Thursday, November 29, 2007

If you didn't know, Red Krayola has a new album out.

is this her?

-- Mike Dixn, Thursday, 29 November 2007 06:19

asi es

So it's settled: after ILM-backed ouster of current instructor, new course to be taught by rotating triumvirate of Bozelka, Kogan and Grout.

-- James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:32 PM

tbh i would be very very very happy with this

"The music played in the Star Wars cantina scene was actual music scientists recorded from signals from outer space. This is also how fusion was invented."

OMG. I just realized: Burning Spear = Britney Spears! Holy shit, the conspiracy has been uncovered!

so, Burning Airlines = Britney Federline?

tbh i would be very very very happy with this
Unfortunately, in accordance with the ethics code of Texas State, they would have to discontinue their posting here.

BTW, where is this wonderful class happening?

-- smurfherder, Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:20 PM

texas state university

new course to be taught by rotating triumvirate of Bozelka, Kogan and Grout.

I'd do it only if we had someone dropping hilarious one-liners to loosen up the students during the first 5 mins. of class. Candidates are the authors of these:

The Clash were an enormous influence on the newly discovered reggae movement, and artists like Bob Marley, Burning Spear, and Sting.

The Aphex Twins were first in this revolution.

"Richard and his brother James.

The first one is particularly hilarious. I'm trying to think of an instance where it would be perfectly natural to say "Bob Marley, Burning Spear, and Sting." Hey - maybe that could be a short essay question: "What do Bob Marley, Burning Spear, and Sting have in common?"

no one email her this thread until HOOS gets his grade. show some heart people.

-- sanskrit, Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:06 PM

thankfully, you can only email tx state accounts from other tx state accounts.

"What do Bob Marley, Burning Spear, and Sting have in common?"

They all invented industrial.

Bob Marley and Sting were in the Bad Brains. Burning Spear is a Sonic Youth song. Both bands were part of the New Wave Movement led by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. The movement ended when R.E.M. signed with Warner Brothers in the mid-80s and fans of the movement carried a casket signaling the end down the main thoroughfare in Athens, Georgia where there is now a shrine -- a Pylon actually -- memoralizing this great era. Music sucked before this and has ever since. Though deluxe re-mastered and expanded reissues have softened the blow somewhat.

"Musicologists have long debated over which of the following two artists were more important to the formation of dubstep: Liam Gallagher or Spinal Tap."

LOLZ are to be found in this thread.

Also a lot of excelsior-ready wannabe lolz.

"Choking on cold turkey hot dogs!"

"i find that the fact that elvis died while reading robert johnson's autobiography in the bathtub to be an interesting aside at best - its significance has been blown way out of proportion by contemporary musicologists!"
Obviously she is unaware of, or chooses to ignore, Willie Nelson's words on the subject.

Oooh, I just figured how clever James Redd's Willie Nelson statement was here. Good one!

I think this professor must be getting all her research done here.

We're gonna take you back to the year 1939, when Charlie Chaplin and his Nazi regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world...

"Adolf Hitler fused Hardcore Metal and Klezmer to create a new genre called Industrial."

updates plz

"The indie music movement was sparked by a brilliant collaboration between rock stalwarts P.O.D. and avant-garde darling Matisyahu."

u guys she read us an e-mail forward out loud in class

u guys we watched TWO p.o.d. videos

u guys we ended the course with Kenny G

re: "What's Going On?" (various artists, yes, that one)

"This really shows the power of commercial music, and proves that on rare occassions pop music DOES deserve to be taken seriously."

course is over already?!? :(

An exchange from my Sociology of Music class, as the professor was talking about the invention and commodification of Christmas songs:

Prof: Do you guys know the origin of "White Christmas?"
Student: It's from a movie, right?
Prof: Ah, yeah. I was just going to make something up. Bing Crosby doing lines for seven days straight!

Re: "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"

she read one of those awful "On Monday, we were doing this inane thing, but on Tuesday ALL OUR ACTIONS WERE REVERENT AND CHARGED WITH MEANING" emails aloud in class. then i had to sit through 6 minutes of Alan Jackson. all i could think of was "What Would You Do" from Team America.

re: "Alive" P.O.D.

"You may consider it old school now, but back in 2001 this was the song, everybody loved P.O.D."

u guys we listened to the love theme from Spider Man written by Chad Kroeger and that very feminine dude from Saliva. He looks like a fat girl with a beard, I can't believe I never noticed before.

re: "Where's the Love" by Black Eyed Peas

"This is sort of a new millenium version of something Bob Marley might have done."

haha okay I was looking up those lyrics and wtf there is an actual conservative PAC called Team America

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"Green Day is sort of the new Rage Against the Machine"

lol xp

"Times Like These" by Jack Johnson is possibly the most inane song ever recorded by anyone, fwiw.

finally to SUM UP THE CLASS she played us "Music" by Madonna and said the following:

"This is a classic example of the techno-electronica, sort of dance music sound that's so popular these days. And this song sort of started that trend."

"Green Day is sort of the new Rage Against the Machine"

okay wtf this is just a basic chronology error

she sure says "sort of" a lot

course is over already?!? :(

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, December 4, 2007 6:25 PM

yeah when i started the thread i was already pulling from three months worth of absurd quotes.

she does indeed xp

WAU

It really hit home how fucking country my Uni is when almost the entire last day was "songs suggested by former students that they feel really sum up the times," and they were all Tim McGraw & Toby Keith & Dixie Chicks & Alan Jackson.

what no Montgomery Gentry

haha okay I was looking up those lyrics and wtf there is an actual conservative PAC called Team America

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-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, December 4, 2007 6:37 PM (

and it's started by Tom Tancredo!!

Thanks, Hoos, for taking the bullet on this one. I hope the easy "A" is worth the psychic trauma.

and they were all Tim McGraw & Toby Keith & Dixie Chicks & Alan Jackson

I'm not sure I can totally disagree with this...

Someone needs to do a comic book version of her history of popular music. Might come out something like Duplex Planet Illustrated.

I hope the easy "A" is worth the psychic trauma.

Hey yeah - what were the assignments like? Was this already mentioned?

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestselling-comics-2007/233-1.jpg

True enough that popular country has engaged the headlines more obviously, but I went up after class and suggested "Who Do You Believe In" from the new Scarface record. xxp

That woman is singing "Music," by Madonna - which kind of started the whole dance music thing.

Hey yeah - what were the assignments like? Was this already mentioned?

-- Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, December 4, 2007 6:49 PM

There really weren't any. At the beginning of the semester we had to do an "online assignment" which consisted of printing out an artist bio from a website, and then discussing one of their songs for a page. I did Nas and "One Love" and gave her three pages.

"And then in the Middle Ages, DMX and his 'dogs' (an obvious reference to Papal indulgences) blew up huge across Europe."

Other than that we've just sat in on lecture and songs. There were the exams of course, and her exam question are famously oblique no matter which class you're taking with her.

Man I would love to DMX rap in Middle English.

You ARE getting an A, right?

The tests are tough! But I should be, yes.

That woman is singing "Music," by Madonna - which kind of started the whole dance music thing.

Kinda looks like Maddy c. the Blonde Ambition tour.

The tests are tough!

Seriously? I would imagine that you could weave an essay around some of the quotes ILMers came up with on this thread and get an A no problem.

Was the 1960s Civil Rights movement started by:

a) Rage Against the Machine's famous Battle for Los Angeles album.
b) The styling of Al Jolson, the very first hip-hop artist.
c) Toby Keith putting his foot in the ass of America.
d) Matisyahu's white-hot single 'King Without a Crown'
e) All of the above.

^ basically, yeah

All multiple choice and very often none of the answers make any sense.

She prefaced the first test with

"OK I'm sure a lot of you are gonna want to complain about the questions, but don't bother. These questions have been vetted by 20 years worth of students, so if you're havin trouble with em, blame your study habits and not the questions."

ok guys hate to leave my thread but i gotta make a call about a shelf and track down this zen book that the post office seems to have lost.

please continue with the pitch-perfect impersonations of her RONGness

Essay Question (Choose A or B):

A) Madonna is frequently called the start of dance music, sort of. Explain how The Beatle's song "Norwegian Wood" is about pickles (or is about blueberries) or...

B) Tiny Tim is widely credited with inventing the 'myspace emo' genre. Parse 'Tiptoe Through the Tulips' and compare it to other great emo songs, like 'Anarchy in the UK,' 'Smells Like Teen Spirit,' and 'How to Disappear Completely.'

hoos when you get back can you pls post some test questions? im really curious.

There really weren't any. At the beginning of the semester we had to do an "online assignment" which consisted of printing out an artist bio from a website, and then discussing one of their songs for a page. I did Nas and "One Love" and gave her three pages.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, December 4, 2007 12:51 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

plz post

Considering her random, illogical history of pop, it doesn't seem fair to have a test with answers. Shouldn't all answers be valid?

The Beatles are to the Rolling Stones as Ted Nugent is to:

a) Oasis
b) Heart
c) Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds
d) Blind Willie Johnson
e) Moby

The correct answer should be what you want it to be. It's all about your personal connection to Ted Nugent.

When in doubt, fill in ABACAB.

Is Tyler Perry the singer from Aerosmith?

-- Tuomas, Tuesday, December 4, 2007 8:30 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hahahhahaha

<i>Madea's Big Ten Inch Record</i>

House of Pain does sound like an Aerosmith song.

I still think this incredible:

That woman is singing "Music," by Madonna - which kind of started the whole dance music thing.

"Ice T wrote 'Cop Killer' as a secret means of communication to the Black Panther party"

This is great, but for real, the problem with teaching pop music in academia is that there's no text you can turn to in order to get across the commonly-understood value assumptions and critical ideas that working music critics all share but which have never been explicitly put down somewhere. There's nothing you can point to and say, "no, Trent Reznor did not invent industrial" that you can also point to and say, "no, Madonna did not invent dance music." This is what academics need, and it's kinda fair enough--academia is all about shared standards and information, whereas rock critics put a premium on their opinions being unique and important and the only really truly valuable ones, plus a lot of canonical artists have been discussed so much that we don't discuss them anymore. Whereas with, say, film studies, you can read Sarris' "Notes on the AUteur Theory in 1962," and hey wahoo, there's a canon and a set of widely-accepted critical assumptions that you can argue with but you have to at least acknowledge as a counter-argument.

Academia does a bad job with pop music because no one with an actual comprehensive understanding of pop music has sat down and written a textbook about it that says all the things that ILMers would laugh at you for even bothering to mention, like "the Beatles were very good and very important and here is why" but also talking about the actual historical development of genres in a way that people who don't know who, say, Lee Perry is could instantly understand. If you don't want academia to touch pop that's fine, but the reason it's only covered well in well-stocked departments is because there's no real canon of texts yet.

That's not true at all. Reebee Garofalo's Rockin' Out is just one comprehensive pop music textbook. There are others. But several non-academic books can serve the same function in a classroom - Robert Palmer's Rock & Roll: An Unruly History and The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll. There are even a lot of books that offer a survey of the major academic approaches to popular music - Roy Shuker's Understanding Popular Music and Brian Longhurst's Popular Music & Society. I

If you're going to read Sarris in a classroom, I see no reason not to read Xgau in the same setting. After all, Xgau modeled his Consumer Guide books after Sarris' The American Cinema. And whatever his deafspots (which every critic and academic has), it's difficult to think of someone with a more comprehensive knowledge of popular music. Besides, Sarris got a lot of things wrong, e.g. Ida Lupino, Dororthy Arzner, Track of the Cat, etc. and forgot others, e.g. Edward Ludwig, Arthur Ripley, Hugo Fregonese, etc. Finally, Sarris hasn't been popular in film studies in decades, if ever really. Every comprehensive guide/history/textbook will have gaps.

And there are quite a few people in academia who do "a (good) job with pop music."

In short, there's a wealth of texbooks/material out there for an excellent academic popular music course and scholar.

Marcus, Bangs, Xgau...

Finally, Sarris hasn't been popular in film studies in decades, if ever really. Every comprehensive guide/history/textbook will have gaps.

Those 2 sentences should have been reversed.

Oh yeah and Sarris forgot my man Hugo Haas who was about as rock and roll as directors ever get.

Not to mention that plenty of articles and criticism has been published about various groups and musicians over the course of Rock N Roll. If there wasn't one great textbook, a good professor would find and assign the pertinent readings.

Especially since the history of Rock N Roll is also a history of the people who listened to it AND the people who wrote about it. There is no Cream narrative without Jon Landau, no MC5 narrative without Bangs (or maybe vice-versa), no Cobain without Cross. (Maybe even no Ashlee without Kogan.) Or rather, the narrative is significantly weakened without those contributions.

So the least the professor could have done was some real primary research. When I wrote a paper on Marjorie Morningstar, I used copious contemporaneous reviews of the film. It's the appropriate thing to do.

well that certainly brought down the house

Mordechoverwought Shinefield.

"After James Hetfield was killed in 1996, Cliff Burton found it difficult to soldier on and wrote 'Load' in tribute..."

"After James Hetfield was killed in 1996, Cliff Burton found it difficult to soldier on and wrote 'Load' in tribute. Poor James' plane took off, then crashed back onto the runway because it was overloaded with wardrobe."

"Aaliyah was on this flight as well as well as Left Eye Lopez and the Big Bopper..."

Often referred to as "The Evening The Music Died," the inspiration for Dan MacLean's "(And the children were singing) Bye Bye (Miss American Pie)," the erstwhile member of America, whose hard rock hits include "Sister Angelhair" and "A Horse Without a Name."

"...and of course, John Denver."

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Mordechoverwought Shinefield

Oh yeah. Ignore the multiple quips and focus on the one serious thing I said.

I sob.

"Xzibit is a rap duo comprised of rappers X and Z".

somebody actually said this once on a message board

"Biz Markie began his career as a Hassidic jew who sold vaccuum cleaners..."

That's ridiculous! Everyone know he was a vacuum cleaner who sold Hasidic Jews. It's his natural vacuum cleaner abilities that allowed him to develop his beatboxing talent.

haha

All the well-reasoned arguments I have against the Simon Frith etc approach to popular music criticism have suddenly been put into perspective. Thank you. Or not. Sympathies at the very least. My heart bleeds and I say that with zero irony. (Also, I'm drunk as all fuck.)

i don't believe that this is true.

Which part?

the stuff the prof is supposed to have said.

I remember once this idiot from DalNet who needed a report on the Beatles and keep soliciting all of us for it. And when I say idiot I mean it--one time someone asked her what World War I was fought over (to which ok, there could have been SEVERAL different answers), and she answered "The North and the South fought over slaves."

So anyway I wrote her this ridiculous fake report in the hopes that she'd turn it in and get laughed at, among other things proclaiming that Maximilien Robespierre was the Beatles bass player...and she caught me, not because of Robespierre but because I also said Jim MOrrison was in the band and she was smart enough to know he was in the Doors :(

But she wasn't smart enough to know about Sir James Paul?

I would like Sundar to elaborate.

"After James Hetfield was killed in 1996, Cliff Burton found it difficult to soldier on and wrote 'Load' in tribute. Poor James' plane took off, then crashed back onto the runway because it was overloaded with wardrobe."

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2007 02:18 (Yesterday) Link

http://laranjamecanica.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/james-hetfield.jpg

HOOS, is this one a joke?

Hahaha, oops, I didn't see the post above it. . . If she had really said that, wow, but I'm glad she didn't.

wow Hetfield used to wear the long hair/facial hair well but he looks hideous now

and do I see mutton chops?

Hahaha, yeah, sometime between S&M and St. Anger he started to look really scary.

Writing a record like St. Anger will do that to you. (For the record: I do not think that record is as bad as everyone says it is.)

I will have to scan spreadsheet etc etc but I will do my due diligence or whatever it's called.

YSI?

ok u guys a final quote on final day unrelated to music:

"The final is really really long, it's a hairy one, but just because it's long and hairy doesn't mean it's hard."

oh and Mark i tried really hard to memorize one of the more absurd test questions so i could bring it back, but i failed u holmes :(

it's cool. you brought enough to this great thread.

The question I tried to memorize went something like this:

Which of the following songs reflected social problems during the period of their release?

A) "18 and Life" Skid Row
B) "The Message" Grandmaster Flash
C) "Livin in the City" Stevie Wonder
D) "Jeremy" Pearl Jam
E) None of the above

waht

If "All of the above" was an option, I'd have gone with that. Sheesh - what did u answer?

I feel for you, my man.

I had a teacher like this. Except better. And in 8th Grade.

This thread is a great reminder of why 90% of Sociology and American Studies courses are a complete fucking waste of time.

other than, of course, the fact that you can make the internet a better and more amusing place by telling your painful stories, obv.

which i am totally behind as long as i don't have to be on the supply side of the equation.

I can't help but wonder if she is *deliberately* like this - a bit like how Prof Farnsworth in Futurama teaches that course at Mars U on "history of quantum nutrino fields" or whatever it was, because he made it up and doesn't want to actually *teach* anyone. She's just cruising her tenure til she can go home and drink sherry with her cats, and doesn't give a flying monkey if anything she's saying is true or even makes sense.

Bitch is smart.

I seriously doubt she has tenure.

It seems like it would be even harder work than just teaching normally to come up with this shit, if you actually knew the truth.

Well I dont mean she really does know her shit - but she probably knows that she doesn't, and is banking on just spouting crap and hoping no one will chuck a fuss.

(See, I tried pulling this to a lesser extent in my final year of high school musicology exam. I did a talk on minimalism, thinking it was just obscure enough that I could fluff it a little and not be noticed. Until I discovered the examiner was a major Terry Riley/Phillip Glass fan. Doh.)

http://laranjamecanica.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/james-hetfield.jpg

http://www.1point21gigawatts.net/wp-images/grinch.jpg

...just because it's long and hairy, doesn't mean it's hard...

Hetfield could pass for a viking if he just had a helmet on in that photo

http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1010/232488.1010.A.jpg

i still don't believe this. am i too cynical, or are you guys too credulous?

or maybe i'm not cynical enough?

It seems hard to believe, but for some reason I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.

guys should i start an ILE thread for 'hilarious RONG things my Sociology of Sports Classmates say'?

a sample from days 1, 2 & 3:

Prof: "Can you imagine why it might be that, in America, you generally don't find men participating in aerobic gymnastics?"
[long silence]
DBag: "Cause it's...gay."

Prof: "Can you name a sport in which we see very few African-Americans participating as atheletes?"
DBag: "Swimming."
Prof: "And why might that be?"
DBag: "Well...everybody knows black people don't swim very well."

Prof: "Why is it that there are no women coaches in the NBA?"
Dbag: "Cause women can't really think strategically. No offense, m'am."

aka rolling frat boy sexism thread

All this shit sounds supsect.

^ ip check

Okay, what?

AN IP check because I think most of this shit sounds made up?

Steendriver: Why all these Sociology of Something That Is a Section of the Newspaper courses?

u need to chill Lolpez

wtf kind of class is sociology of sports? get a real subject

Steendriver: Why all these Sociology of Something That Is a Section of the Newspaper courses?

-- kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:52 AM

The minor is "Sociology of Popular Culture," and these two courses fit under the rubric. I'd really rather not take Soc of Sports as I'm not even kinda interested in sports, but it was the only thing that fit into my schedule.

yeah college= bullshit classes like soc of sports, i dont see what the big deal is

Yeeesh..that sucks. Couldn't you talk to someone in the dept. about signing off on another class to satisfy the requirement?

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M/W

8:00-9:15 -- on bus
9:30-10:45 -- Soc/Sports
11:00-12:15 -- Chaucer
12:30-1:45 -- Post-Civil War US Lit
2:00-3:15 -- Senior Seminar Creative Writing
3:30-4:45 -- Spanish IV
5:00-6:15 -- Issues in Contemporary Art
7:00-8:15 -- on bus

8 hour workday every other day of the week.

fwiw.

what a slacker! /jk

hoos can you find and revive a Spanish thread to explain teh word "lo" to me?

Oh dang son. Dang.

lo = sorta a nebulously defined referent.

"no lo quiero" for example literally translates as "<do not> <that> <thing want (i)>."

wow that prob didn't help at all huh

ya lo se

ya me di cuenta

yo gana dinero
yo-yo gana dinero

lo lo lo gano

Prof: "Why is it that there are no women coaches in the NBA?"
Dbag: "Cause women can't really think strategically. No offense, m'am."

please tell me this was pronounced OFFense as in "they can't think strategically because they have no offense"

oh god that's how i read it

okay hoos, wow. you are a more driven person than me.

i got a d in chaucer.

please tell me this was pronounced OFFense

LOL! I so didn't see that other "offense" in there. That's hilarious!

Hoos, you're scaring me. You're taking six (6!!) courses in one semester? And they're all one after another (which almost NEVER happens)? And you're surrounded by cavemen? And school is 75 minutes away by bus?

Are you SURE you're not using this thread to feel out if you have a skill for comedy writing?

okay hoos, wow. you are a more driven person than me.

-- elan, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:44 AM

Appreciate the sentiment, but this is more out of necessity than *unstoppable resolve* or anything. This is my last semester, and if I graduate by May then about half my loans get forgiven. If working my ass off for 6 months means I'm $6,000 less in debt, I'm all for it.

actually prob more like $12,000

Oye Hoos, mira buey, lo siento si te ofendi o si estas aguitado, pero esas mierdas que, segun tu, dijo tu profesor(a), no te las crei, buey. Me parecian mentiritas, buey. Pero si insistes que son de verdad, pues, quien soy yo para contraditar. Bueno, lo siento, eh? No estaba tratando de ser culero.

It hears Hoos, sight ox, I feel him if you ofendi or if these aguitado, but those crap that, segun your, your professor said (to), you not the crei, ox. Me parecian mentiritas, ox. But if you insist that they are truly, therefore, who I am I for contraditar. Good, I feel it, eh? Was not trying to be lazy.

Lolpez, tambien lo siento si te ofendi, es que tenemos un troll que se llama "Nude Spock" que dice cosas como eso. Nomas era un chisme, homes, crei que sabia (como una persona con nombre nuevo o como quieres). Somos buenos?

Claro, carnal. Pero te lo juro que no soy troll. Que te la pasas buena.

lol

this might be kind of....true in a way?

"The Stooges really revived punk rock after the Rolling Stones invented it in the 60s."

Eh. Assuming the Stones did invent punk rock (!), the statement implies that there was a moment in the 1960s when punk rock (!!) died and was thus ripe for revival. Nuggets and Pebbles dispel that theory.

Garage comps like Nuggets and Pebbles leave off where the Stooges picked up. The garage movement was fading in '68 and just about gone by the time the Stooges showed up.

Did I call your mom a slag or something? If I did, I'm sorry.

votes have been cast, no new thread.

"Industrial music was invented by Ska fans who were fed up with the strictures of Detroit Techno. The Aphex Twins were first in this revolution."

Hoos that isn't real.

No one's ever said that.

shhhh

Oh right yeah soz.

Brokencyde fused Death Metal and the sort of dance-techno thing pioneered by Madonna to invent Chrunk (or Christian Funk) Rap.

This was a really wonderful thread.

Billy Joel was a major influence but it was Dizzie Gillespie who really got the Christian Metalcore ball rolling.

There, I said it.

lmao @ the spanish interlude upthread

Lolpez, tambien lo siento si te ofendi, es que tenemos un troll que se llama "Nude Spock" que dice cosas como eso. Nomas era un chisme, homes, crei que sabia (como una persona con nombre nuevo o como quieres). Somos buenos?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:07 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

lmao

back when Paul Bostaph had quit Slayer and before Lombardo rejoined, there were many rumors of who was going to take Paul's place behind the kit. There was this message board where there was speculation of several drummers, including the guy from Absu.

So someone posted there Slayer was looking at a Black Metal drummer to take over. The next reader replied by saying "Hell no, I don't want no n***** in the band!". Apparently he thought the guy meant a Black metal drummer....so in one sentence managed to destroy his metal credibility, and prove himself to be an ignorant racist...then wondered why he got picked on later in the thread.

"Tupac really was a big softie, his record company made him do all that thug stuff. Read interviews with the rappers, they'll tell you that the execs will turn them away if their lyrics aren't violent or misogynistic enough!"

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:28 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lolpez, tambien lo siento si te ofendi, es que tenemos un troll que se llama "Nude Spock" que dice cosas como eso. Nomas era un chisme, homes, crei que sabia (como una persona con nombre nuevo o como quieres). Somos buenos?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:07 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark