paramore misery business is this a good song y/n

y

about 293847 things that i normally can't stand all together, and it's great! how the f does THAT work help me OUT here guiz

y

y

y but now i need my heart meds

yyyyy

y

bump

they didn't do this on mtv tonight :(

they did "crush crush crush". it was okay. based on the two tv performances i've seen on them, they kinda suck as a live band right now.

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you think? I thought they were pretty good on Conan (way better than, say, Fall Out Boy, at least). "y" should've won by a much wider margin.

i'm going to assume that the 10 ppl who voted 'y' are the ones that ahve heard this and the other 6 are ppl like gier

i thought that they were aight on conan. if i remember the sound on the guitars were messed up and i was kind of disappointed. that said i would brave whiney high school girls to see them if i could.

shitty sound on talk shows is kinda universal, gotta give the band a handicap for that.

;_; http://www.paramore.net/postDetails/2008/02/21/hey-guys/

the first five comments are from: hannah, megan, laura, Allison and Nicky

What am I supposed to be looking at?

Hey guys,

As most of you already know, we have cancelled the rest of our UK/Europe RIOT Tour. First of all, we want to say we are so sorry for letting all of you down. We feel terrible about it and really didn’t expect for this to happen. It probably doesn’t sound like much but we just hate that we won’t get to play this show for those of you who had hoped to see it.

There are a lot of internal issues that have been going on in this band for quite a while now. A lot of it started right around the time we were gearing up for the RIOT Tour in the US. We were able to fight through all of it for this long but unfortunately we weren’t able to keep it together long enough to make it through ’til the end of this tour. We really feel that taking this time is going to give us a chance to get away and work out our personal issues at home and on our own terms. We just aren’t willing to risk the life of our band over one tour. That probably sounds terrible right now, to say that finishing a week of shows wasn’t worth it… but if we can use this next month wisely then we will be a lot healthier for the tours ahead. We hope that - even though it might be hard to understand - that you guys can support us at this time.

Maybe one day we will tell the whole story but for now, just know that all five of us are going to work so hard to get it right. You deserve that and we deserve to make this last as long as possible - and to enjoy every second of it. We love you guys so much. If you could pray for us or just keep us in your thoughts it would be really helpful. You guys have gotten us so far and been the best motivators since day one. We are so sorry for the trouble we caused you guys who bought tickets, fan club members and to all the promoters and venues that we won’t be there to put on a show for. We are extremely sorry to New Found Glory and all their fans who wanted to put on and see a show and who we’ve let down. And lastly, to Lost Alone.

We will keep you guys updated.

Love,
Hayley, Jeremy, Josh, Zac and Taylor

We are extremely sorry to New Found Glory and all their fans who wanted to put on

We are extremely sorry to New Found Glory and all their fans who wanted to put out

this is GOOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCuua7RPDk

that's gonna be nuked soon so get it in while you can - it's called "ignorance" btw

sweet, thanks for posting it, i probably was gonna be too lazy to find a still-working link for it tonight otherwise

misery business is on one of the guitar hero games. Not really my thing but the chorus is pretty catchy so I would've voted yes.

this is really great

it's not really jumping out at me right away as a great single, although it's very "we're not totally crossing over, this is for rock radio!" -- as good as a lot of tracks on the last album, though, i'm definitely looking forward to the new one.

lmao these fuckin guys

lmao thesethis fuckin guys

Coincidentally, this is pretty much what runs through my head when I see a cankles post.

it's usually just "lmao" for me

usually what runs through me head is just "fuckin guys" - has nothing to do with cankles or posting or ilx tho

congratulations, you've just made the first gay dad joke in the history of this board that isn't about a drummer writing an essay

a true breakthrough

jodran sagrent was the gay drummer for the band dad rock

whooo boy "all i wanted" is quite the bummer-off a track to end the album on. the exact opposite of the fist-pumping "born for this." diggin this album

"the only exception" is nice

yeah that song kills me. really liking this album more than i expected, given that Riot had kinda lost its luster for me.

forgot this was even released, DOWNLOADING NOW

yeah i dunno if i care about them that much as an albums band, but i'm okay with liking stray songs like this and "misery business." the album's pretty evenly decent, but they just remind me of so many other bands that i have a hard time really engaging w/ them

gave the new album a listen. its the first of theirs i've tried to listen to. i was surprised by how decent it was, and i really like the girl's voice, but the music itself does little for me. there were a few songs i liked, but i'm going to have to listen to it again to figure out what they were or even why i liked them.

is their earlier stuff better/worth checking out?

i haven't heard the first album but Riot's definitely worth checking out, some really good songs on that one.

Feel like the new one is more of the same, pretty sure I mean that equally as a compliment and a criticism. These guys should never do ballads btw.

gave the new album a listen. its the first of theirs i've tried to listen to. i was surprised by how decent it was, and i really like the girl's voice, but the music itself does little for me. there were a few songs i liked, but i'm going to have to listen to it again to figure out what they were or even why i liked them.

is their earlier stuff better/worth checking out?

― borntohula, Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:55 PM (56 minutes ago)

yeah i mean...without hayley they'd be completely average imo

xp whaaat, the best song on this one is a ballad

Not surprisingly, this new one is the "we got huge in the last couple years and now we're all jaded and brooding now" record, but for all the moping it's still pretty solid. Really like "Playing God".

the guys in this band could be made of wood for all the personality they have, they make the guys from no doubt look like the beatles in comparison. this band is really "redhead chick and some random dudes"

yeah all the other warped tour rhythm sections are such fascinating characters, i like to pass the hours thinking about the facial expressions they make in videos and crafting elaborate backstories about them

Missed this poll. I would have yoted a big Y, and provided a link to this pretty neat acoustic version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIaNuIv3lMs

otm

Loving the new album so much. Jon upthread totally wrong about the ballads, "Misguided Ghosts" in particular is AMAZING. But yeah, I like the snarky snappy tunes like "Ignorance".

Since I posted that "Misguided Ghosts" has grown on me a lot, still not feeling the other ballads though. I like Paramore punchy and upbeat.

the music for "misguided ghosts" would not sound at all out of place on a joanna newsom record

The lyrics and the performance really startled me, not that I place a huge emphasis on maturity and sophistication, but it seems the work of much older artists.

lyrics to "the only exception" threaten to get on my nerves but damn if it isnt too pretty to matter

The lyrics to "The Only Exception" are much closer to what I would consider to be "the norm" for a smart adolescent or post-adolescent band working in this vein. Including the "threaten to get on my nerves" aspect.

I like the idea of a "misery business"

they say misery
loves company
we could start a company
and make misery:
Frustrated, Incorporated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzozNZ-bPLI

bought last year's record today after listening to "Ignorance" and, especially, "Brick By Boring Brick" again and again over the past few days

"Ignorance" is classic.

so good

favorite is "Brick By Boring Brick" as of right now

I really, really like this record. Haley & Katy Perry sound similar, by the way.

OUCH

Not a bad thing imo! I love this record. Just noting a similarity in the vocals!

no that's an insult to hayley for real

Dude, her voice kinda sounds like Katy Perry's. Can anybody back me up on this? I'm right!

no

You fools should be ASHAMED!

Triuth be told, ksh, i don't have any katy perry on my ipod right now, but I listened to MiseryBusiness and was like "would i mistake this for Katy Perry?" Uh-uh.

<NO CHALLOPS> Listen from 1:33 to 1:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A63VwWz1ij0

Will take you up.on that when i get back to a computer.

OK, lemme know.

they both sing in that so-cal over-enunciated singing style, i guess -- i'm talking out of turn probably but i always think of this as "post blink-182 mannerism" and it bugs me more often that not. and they're both young white girls. but one is really charming and the other makes me want to drown myself.

the singing/enunciation styles they have in common are shared by an unfortunate and huge percentage of white girls born after 1980, and their actual voices and how they use them are otherwise pretty different.

ha xpost

goole is the anti-whiney apparently

yeah, seriously was not going 4 the challops, just heard some similarities there. love this record, fwiw

can't pass up a shitty drowning joek!

ksh is not wrong, katy sounds a lot like hayley on "waking up in vegas" (which is imo her only good song)

generally, hayley shits on her obv

this isn't even a comparison

idk no one is saying she's as good as hayley (even setting aside the weird reverential vibe i'm getting - she's good but come on), just that the timbre of KP's chorus to "vegas" is similar to hayley's

Exactly. I'm not interested in comparing the merits of the two singers here -- I just strongly think there's a huge similarity between what Haley's voice and Katy Perry's voice sound like, and I don't think this is a challopsy thing to say at all: to me, the similarity is just apparent.

I'd have to listen to both of their current records a little more closely, but I don't think this similarity is necessarily limited to Haley's voice in general and Perry's voice in the chorus of "Waking Up In Vegas," either.

http://twitter.com/yelyahwilliams/status/14881842535

well... my night just changed drastically. got hacked.

(oYo)

http://tweetphoto.com/24857374

i've been hearing "the only exception" a lot on the radio, really quite stunning!

yeah that song is a total jam

usually what runs through me head is just "fuckin guys" - has nothing to do with cankles or posting or ilx tho

― jabandroids (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 7, 2009 6:07 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

d00ds

is there anything as good as "crushcrushcrush" on their second record?

yes, many things.

apples.

dr. mario.

cash-in-hand.

a really good piss after you've been sleeping for 9, 10 hours.

hahaha u r losin it d00d

^^^ does not know his board history

there is the theory of the mobius

\(^o^)/

New album is their best.. may not be a 'Misery Business' or 'Decode' there, but it's real solid.

huh interesting

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/12/paramore_ex-members_tell_all_a.html

i had no idea about any of this

they should feel lucky anyhow

"We’ve always been treated as less important than Hayley. "

well, you know...

Sounds like a good deal for everyone that they left, anyway. Although (nearly) all the songs are credited to Hailey and Josh, so I wonder where their sound will go now.

"Josh and Zac also take issue with some of Williams’s latter-day lyrics, which they claim contradict the band’s original pro-faith message"

hmmm

wow

Hayley presented lyrics to us that were really negative and we didn’t agree with. For example, “the truth never set me free”, which contradicts what the Bible says in John 8:32 (“and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall sat you free”).

Dudes, guess what: you're nitpicking. Most of your fanbase probably has no idea about the bible. I hope your pride carries you far.

Wow that example does make them out to be enormous jerks. Good riddance.

Dudes, guess what: you're nitpicking. Most of your fanbase probably has no idea about the bible. I hope your pride carries you far.

― jodeci & oracle (kkvgz), Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:50 AM (9 hours ago)

you would be really fucking surprised about warped tour kids tbh

that is hilarous btw

it's funny how all this is happening right after they released a video for the song "Playing God," which features a chorus about accusations and finger-pointings, and the video is all about Hayley tying the other band members up with rope and, at the end of the video, leaving them locked in a basement and going up the stairs and leaving them behind.

dudes are pretty over-the-top with "exposing" the "conspiracy" of the band's rise, though. it was always pretty clear that the band was being groomed by their label for big things but kind of deliberately 'started slow' (which you'd think they'd appreciate more since major label bands always complain about not being given time to build a fanbase anymore). it's not like they ever had real punk cred or that was a big part of their appeal -- they were just a Fuse/Alternative Press band for a couple years before they moved up to MTV and Spin.

the video is all about Hayley tying the other band members up with rope and, at the end of the video, leaving them locked in a basement and going up the stairs and leaving them behind.

Lately I haven't been able to stop myself from listening to this album in light of the drama that went down. Especially this line:

"Hayley claimed that this record reunited us as band and made us grow closer together, when in reality we were all growing further apart."

Can't help but think that this makes the lyrics on the album more interesting. I originally bought it being a triumphant "we're back and tighter than ever" record, but now other things catch me, like how aggressive she is even when singing about overcoming hurdles.

Take "Looking Up" which is the song dealing directly with the earlier near break-up. You've got the classic "God knows the world doesn't need another band/ but what a waste it would've been", but otherwise it's very much about her. The recent revelations definitely tell us that the lyrics are all from her perspective alone and the others really don't have a say in it. So you've got "I'll never trade it in /'Cause I've always wanted this" - it's all "I" and not "we". Plus, "I was a few cheap shots away from the end of me" is not all that reconciliatory -- a reminder that "you were this close to me fucking leaving" isn't necessarily the thing you say among friends who've finally truly made up after a big conflict.

And then as you say, Playing God with the video and violent imagery like next time you point a finger/I might have to bend it back and break it, break it off, and it has to be so lonely/ to be the only one who's holy, echoing what Josh and Zac said about how they "fought her about how her lyrics misrepresented our band and what we stood for".

So now I'm reading ALL the lyrics this way. Unfounded, maybe, but I finally care about the words now, and she's become a much more interesting narrator.

Oh wait I was right and didn't know it, Josh Farro had written this on his blog: "Listening to playing god makes me mad because the lyrics are so hurtful and unnecessary."

Anyway this clip is undeniable fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZCkm7j9KlU

First post-split release. "Now that you're gone the world is ours". One suspects there will be at least one album's worth of Hayley confronting all the drama and her former bandmates head-on in her lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPoQBwuwE2A

Not a very adventurous song, of course, but then this is for the Transformers OST.

Pretty damn good, though.

"One suspects there will be at least one album's worth of Hayley confronting all the drama and her former bandmates head-on in her lyrics."

I just started getting into this band, but listening to Brand New Eyes this morning and then reading about the split in the band, it seems to me like Brand New Eyes IS that album. I'm obviously just reading into it a bit though.

Also, Brand New Eyes is fucking solid. I don't know when the last time I heard a Modern Rock album that consistently good.

Not to into that new track though.

This is getting a bit TMZ-y but I can't help myself. Josh Farro strikes back at 'Monster':

Joshfarro87 Josh Farro
Matthew 16:26 "for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?"

it's pretty credulous to assume that youtube commenter is definitely who it claims to be

That's his twitter, bro.

ohhh it looked like YT on first glance. anyway zzz. did you guys obsess over the Evanescence lineup changes this much?

I don't know anything about Evanescence, but I doubt it had this potent mix of religion and internal sell-out/conspiracy/fake-or-not conflict, the bluntness of the lyrics describing everything, the anger that lingered afterwards. This is great stuff to write pop songs about!

ben moody come back!!!

I doubt it had this potent mix of religion and internal sell-out/conspiracy/fake-or-not conflict

yup

as in i agree

paramore are good and evanescence suck

there was lots of religion and conspiracy theories in the Evanescence split too

the whole split thing just dovetailed neatly with what this band (or at least hayley) was already obsessed with anyway: feeling simultaneously defiant and guilty about moral transgressions. even the song this thread's originally about is about the moral laws hayley's too christian not to value and too human not to violate ("and the forgiveness / that we're both supposed to have exchanged / sorry, honey, i passed it up NOW LOOK THIS WAY"). on lots of brand new eyes you can't tell whether hayley's arguing with purist punk kids or god because both of them make her feel guilty. when atlantic signed her it was to be a pop singer; she fought for her touring punk band, presumably because those values matter to her--cf. all the PARAMORE EST UNA BANDA t-shirts she wears--and i think it probably bothers her that no matter what she does she's still the most important part of the band. but then she probably digs it too. so she writes all these songs telling people not to judge her while she judges herself. no matter how many rosary beads lady gaga puts in the frame she won't be this deep inside the conflation of the personal and sensual and (subculturally) political w/ the religious.

should say that i don't think hayley's a great lyricist or anything; she's just open and thoughtful and i think there are probably a lot of people, especially young people, especially girls, especially from the south, who are the same kind of confused she is.

confused re: how good they should feel about themselves, i mean.

several the biggest female stars of the past couple decades (Alanis, Pink, Avril) straddled a similar line of becoming popular in part by not making quite the kind of pop music their label initially wanted them too and making it part of their REBEL image. it's getting to be a pretty weird recurring narrative.

Right, difficult listening hour succinctly sums up what I find appealing about this band. Just add 'and tight tunes' at the end.

"you can't tell whether hayley's arguing with purist punk kids or god because both of them make her feel guilty."

So so otm. That's the big hook for Brand New Eyes, what makes it about more than righteous emo anger. I had to get this angle before finding points of interest in their lyrics. And those lyrics, while sometimes clunky or awkward, can be captivating in that ambiguity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deunhj0mHcA

really says something about "Misery Business" that i heard it on the radio between "Welcome To The Jungle" and "Killing In The Name Of" and it didn't really feel wimpy or girly or anything by comparison

Surprised that Monster is top 10 in both the UK and the US - set to be their biggest hit by far, and that's with a heavy, sludgy song that's not in any way FM-baiting as 'Only Exception' was.

well that's iTunes sales for a just-released song -- that has everything to do with anticipation among the fanbase and nothing to do with radio-friendliness or how much of an airplay hit it could be once people actually hear it

http://www.mtv.com/videos/paramore/672032/monster.jhtml

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1o2UCLvD38

heard this song for the first time in a while in a wrestling fancam..... what a jam

It's always been my favorite from the debut album.

and that's saying a lot for a song from their second album!

Whoops! Totally forgot about their debut album, haven't listened to that one in years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-GYGtdbYM

“miracle” is a miracle

not sure if a riot poll would be interesting or not (“that’s what you get” in a landslide, right) but i’d vote for this song

i like brad's revives of pop & indie records just to get a buzz on over tunes <3

xp tbh that run from of "For a Pessimist..." through "crushcrushcrush" is pretty damn unimpeachable.

Losing my actual shit. Hayley Williams brought out Lil Uzi to perform Misery Business. pic.twitter.com/lsYOxaGp4O

— jade (@WifexOfxAgony) June 1, 2023

if this doesn't make you smile...

Bought the Riot! silver vinyl remaster and am spinning it now and had kinda forgotten how sharp it is? A relentless blend of sheer energy and spill your guts emotion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8RFcd6j0I