Xhuxk: "['Two Princes'] was funkier than any other rock song to make it onto the radio in its decade."

I am suddenly contemplating suicide.

black crowes - "hard to handle" ?

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/562213.jpg

definitely even flow.

hahahaha

FRUNGE

Too bad "Jerry Was A Racecar Driver" wasn't really played on the radio, 'cause that would pwn all.

i don't think 'sexx laws' is a rock song or funky.

there's funkier on Midnite Vultures

Smells Like Teen Spirit intro is funky

whiney - slap bass does not automatically equal "funk"!!!!!

sass jordan was funky!

and she was on the radio.

okay, kinda funky.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmnbXj6E430

give it away isn't even slap bass

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although my favorite funk band of the 90's was jackyl:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AKSJLop26yI

This is kind of like when my college gf said Cracker's "Low" was one of the few "sexy" alt-rock songs of its time. As if that's any reason to listen to it now.

Thanks for the heads up, Tracer.

I think "Sexx Laws" is funky because it sounds like Earth, Wind & Fire. I think "Jerry" is funky because it's heavy on the "one" and the bass/guitar/drum interplay is percussive in a funky way.

But

311 - "All Mixed Up"

Thread over!

yeah this thread is kind of embarrassing, esp because the drumming in that 311 song is pretty good

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000H6K.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

slap bass does not automatically equal "funk"!!!!!

gotta have the wah-wah too

yeah this thread is kind of embarrassing, esp because the drumming in that 311 song is pretty good

And in "Two Princes" too!

TS: Nick Hexum vs. Aaron Comess!

Both dudes love to play as many notes on that snare as possible. Aaron (Spin Doctors guy) has a lot more finesse tho.

"Sexx Laws" always sounded more "full of funk signifiers" than "funky" to me. We should be looking for heavy guitar rock where the rhythm section just HAD TO FUNK IT UP, like "Evenflow" and all Abbruzzese-era Pearl Jam.

pretty much anything that came up in the "modified funk" lols of the SFJ miscenegation thread last year.

all Abbruzzese-era Pearl Jam

OTM

ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE AGAINST ONE

He funked it up in that song for realz

black crowes - "hard to handle" ?

-- Dominique, Friday, January 4, 2008 5:13 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^this

i guess two princes is funky, but it's a fucking abortion of a song. bouncing around the room by phish is kinda funky too. plenty of stuff is funky and still sucks.

also the chili peppers had plenty of "funky" rock hits.

doot doot doot! doot do doot dooo!

i guess two princes is funky, but it's a fucking abortion of a song.

you're in the rong thread.

yeah i was referring to "Jerry Was a Racecar Driver" there, not RHCP

"Everyday Sunshine" by Fishbone?

hahah no wait!

the answer, my friends, is "Apple Pie" by White Trash!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SpApDctHrk

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KHSS6BPJL._AA240_.jpg

I thought Prince had some pretty funky rock singles. Gett Off. Unless ... is Two Princes automatically twice as funky?

"Sexy MF" is certainly funkier than "Two Princes", though I guess it's not rock.

"Sexy MF" is about as funky as Geir leading the Spin Doctors.

TS: Nick Hexum vs. Aaron Comess!

Nick Hexum is the guitarist for 311, I think the drummer is named Chad Sexton III.

WHY THE FUCK HAS LINER NOTE INFORMATION FROM TRANSISTOR, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE I REVIEWED IT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL PAPER TEN YEARS AGO (2 out of 10, btw) REMAINED MY GODDAMN SKULL???

the drummer's wee stature is used to hilarious effect in the video where they play b-ball with Shaq.

^^ god why can't we just pull a stalin on the 90s

the funkiest song of the 90s is surely by someone who participated in the funkiest music-making of the 60s and/or 70s. so basically this thread is about the funkiest song of the 90s that was, like, by other kids and stuff.

i don't know why people hate on "sexy mf" not being funky or whatever.

I guess if it gets you laid it's funky.

the Shaq-featuring video was the aptly titled "You Wouldn't Believe," from 311's 2001 opus From Chaos. According to wikipedia, The album went gold, hit #10 and the single was a top ten modern rock hit.

Questions about songs by 311 that have made the Billboard Modern Rock chart

Sexy MF is funky morons

like more than fucking Cantaloop

But "Sexy MF" wasn't played on the radio because every other word was "motherfucker," right?

can someone embed an mp3 of "lucas with the lid off" in this thread? thx

Not a rock song.

Fucking A, I can't believe I got my Hexums/Sextons all mixed up. I don't know what to do. Next thing, I'll turn around and find that person is me!

It's amazing how many lols can come from quoting that song without even resorting to "thought a freak might be the thing" or "that is a gal that'll kill dem stunning."

that's like lines to a song you sing when you don't know the words

We should have a worst line in "All Mixed Up" poll.

MANY MOONS SINCE FIRST WE DID THE DO

THE FACT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW MAKES IT FULLY LEGIT

-- "hard to handle" was '80s, not '90s (assuming by "its decade" he means the '90s)
-- "two princes" is awesome obviously
-- radio rock in the '90s was pretty unfunky, much less funky than radio rock in the '80s and '70s, so it's not a bad hypothesis
-- sublime had a pretty good rhythm section, as far as '90s radio rock went. but i'll take "two princes" over "santeria" even though i like both of them

Closer

"Closer"!
"What I Got"!

haha xps

bbbut closer is disco!

-- "hard to handle" was '80s, not '90s (assuming by "its decade" he means the '90s)

wiki says the album was released in January 1990, and I don't think "Hard To Handle" was the first single released from it.

people, that white trash song has a HORN SECTION

It's embarrassingly difficult to argue against Two Princes. I'd nominate 'Girls and Boys' by Blur. Happy Mondays should win this, if they released anything worthy in the 90s. Unless Radiohead ever worked with Bootsy Collins?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HdcHv4o2dEQ

jokes

"Two Princes" is not funky. It's about as funky as Third Eye Blind.

Dude, I'm not even sure "Two Princes" was the funkiest song by Spin Doctors to make it onto the radio in its decade (see: "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong").

I suspect his thread would have a different title if Edie Brickell had waited a year on "What I Am"

Yeah, White Trash wins, I think, even if I can't remember ever hearing that on the radio. "Hard To Handle" maybe second place. "Two Princes" third at worst at this point. "Sexxx Laws," or all that Chili Peppers/Primus cow-milking-bassline stuff...Nope. (Primus always seemed funkier to me when they were having a hoedown than pretending to play funk.) And I don't get the Pearl Jam nominations at all (I guess maybe "Not For You" might do okay, otherwise STP were a way better dance band), though I'm wondering if somebody like, say, Faster Pussycat had any early '90s semi-radio hits that might qualify. (Wait, what about EMF? If Happy Mondays or Blur count, then shouldn't they? Not very rock, though...)

don't be knockin' "low" by cracker!

also: i always found garbage to be rather funky, in that broody gothy alt-rock kind of way.

little miss can't be wrong is def. better just cuz it sounds like steve miller band instead of spin doctors

"apple pie" was all over knoxville radio (WIMZ, specifically) when it came out

Real answer: "Been Caught Stealing"

wiki says the album was released in January 1990, and I don't think "Hard To Handle" was the first single released from it.

you right! i think i just associate everything i bought from my college town record store with the '80s.

don't be knockin' "low" by cracker!

Someone on a bus once told me that if I heard Cracker, I'd never want to listen to rap again. I've intentionally avoided Cracker ever since, because I wouldn't want that to happen.

Not sure if OMC's "How Bizarre" is a rock song, but if it is, then that.

"I don't think we got the short end of the stick. We could have stayed together and made a another great album. We chose to end it, which was obviously a huge mistake. We were definitely biting off the Chili Peppers which drove me nuts. It's a style I didn't really care for. I'm a metal head! By the way, I don't think Chili Peppers should be credited for ushering in that funky genre all. Van Halen were the first ones who started blending heavy metal and funk and making it cool. Just listen to the whole "Fair Warning" album. Chile Peppers blow. That being said, I should mentioned that I did audition for the Chili Peppers several yrs ago. I had a great audition and I thought I was in for sure, but they didn't like my image and style. Flea said I was too bluesy and didn't look enough like an "art fag". I think the Keidis dude liked me though."

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=257&Itemid=52

I like "Low"! And I love "How Bizarre," which would probably win for sure if it counts, though yeah, I doubt any rock stations ever played the thing.

And I just remembered that Kid Rock's Devil Without A Cause came out in 1988. So....something on that, probably. I wonder how airplay "Wastin' Time" got...

Also think Rancid and Offspring probably had rhythm sections as good as Sublime's (who I like), but I've never thought of any of them as "funky," per se'.

Oops, 1998, not '88, for Kid Rock, obviously. (And I meant I wonder how much airplay etc etc etc)

"Natural One"!

Pocket Full of Kryptonite is way funkier and better.

Man, fuck SFJ, Snoop Dogg didn't even scare Lou Barlow away from funky beats in the 90s.

Pocket Full of Kryptonite is way funkier and better.

are you referring to "Jimmy Olsen's Blues"?

sorry yes

The groove in Two Princes is so thuddy and stupid

Personally, I'd have a hard time caring about the funk on any song with that vocal.

I really hope a Spin Doctor finds this thread and appreciates it.

Also think Rancid and Offspring probably had rhythm sections as good as Sublime's (who I like)

Dude, Sublime's rhythm section is the worst. Their drummer is one of the stiffest guys ever. And he blows all his fills.

OTM

i like the drumming on "two princes"!

remember that scene in the Little Miss video where Little Miss pours paint on the singer's back, and he looks at the band going "who did that?" Then the band shrugs, inspiring the singer to don sunglasses, thrust his pointer fingers out, beam at the camera and then get some sloppy paintcan PAYBACK? does anyone remember laughter?

yeah sublime might be more the bass and guitar. i don't really remember the drummer tbh. but i like those guys.

Their drummer is good but the drums on Two Princes are way overplayed and overmixed - the classic white funk error.

i basically hate sublime but i remember the groove on santeria being pretty good.

And the error that xhuckles seems to fall for over and over again, I might add!

All the fucking punk songs on Sublime albums. Dude couldn't play over 120bpm without clicking his sticks together on the 16th notes. Infuriating.

yeah, that song has like the clearest ghost notes on any song ever.

xpost to hurting

these guys went to my high school

the drums on Two Princes are way overplayed and overmixed - the classic white funk error.

maybe it's a style, not a mistake. i think the criticism is valid -- they are overplayed and overmixed -- but the result is a particular kind of groove that is not funk per se but funk-rock. and in this case not as good as, maybe, james gang or something, but still a good groove.

I think "Sexx Laws" is funky because it sounds like Earth, Wind & Fire the Earth, Wind & Fire tribute band currently in residency at the Holiday Inn.

(the drums on Two Princes are way overplayed and overmixed - the classic white funk error.

i just accidentally pasted this into a work document. the classic ilming-on-a-friday error.)

that seems like a reasonable point on a meeting agenda.

ps please delete robert plant

chuck, were you a brother cane fan?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZ6vageQo4w

whenever i think of sass jordan, i always have to think of brother cane. i still like their one and only radio hit. i still like sass's too. sass's hit is my favorite black crowes song probably.

"And I don't get the Pearl Jam nominations at all"

hahaha, i just heard evenflow on the radio the other day and i had forgotten about the fonky drumming and guitar solo.

even flow is "funky" in an extremely 90s way. when i was i started playing drums i thought it was the pinnacle of funky drumming until i heard, you know, funk.

eggzactly. didn't sound bad in the car though.

And I love "How Bizarre," which would probably win for sure if it counts, though yeah, I doubt any rock stations ever played the thing.

It was #23 on Chicago alt-rock station Q101's top 101 of 1997, for whatever that's worth. Also shows up on KROQ's list for that year, but just barely.

helmet might have been my favorite funk rock band in the 90's come to think of it.

x-post

Everytime I look around, it's in my FACE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Cf5OusjrQ

oh wait, how about WHITE ZOMBIE

That radio list is funktastic. U2 were definitely bringin' the funk in the 90's.

white zombie were definitely making phat stripper funk in the 90's.

i'm not sure if thunderkiss '65 or more human than human is funkier?

i'm thinking MHTH

what's the funkiest afghan wigs song? they were known for their ultra-funkiness. although i guess they didn't have big radio hits.

Helmet was way funky!

for real though, what about "are you gonna go my way"?

i was thinking of that

at the very least, lenny kravitz WAS A LITTLE FUNKIER THAN THE SPIN DOCTORS.

and he's a rocker. he makes rock albums. with funk in them. though he might have become some sort of joke over the years. my brother swears an early lenny show he saw was one of the best live shows he's EVER seen.

where is the love for it ain't over 'til it's over?

Cindy Blackman and John Stainer both understand the funkiness of a super-straight beat against syncopated bass and guitar.

cindy blackman on drums = sick

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if helmet is funky, then you have to allow for ...

Slash & Lenny doing "always on the run" live is seriously cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7l_louoCNk

fuk yes I allow for RATM

was gonna mention 'Are You Gonna Go My Way?' but it's rhythm is very driving/pounding 4/4 bassdrum whereas 'Two Princes' is more shuffley and feel like this is an important factor somehow.

i guess they're both black jews who play les pauls!

actually, the funkiest rock song I remember hearing in the 90s was "love rears its ugly head" by living colour

but there's 'Rock N' Roll Is Dead' and 'Fly Away' I guess (xps)

in my head Faith No More's 'Evidence' is a lot funkier than the reality

"Are You Gonna Go My Way" has those great little superfast drum hit breakdowns though with the awesome afro chick on drums.

and Living Color haven't been mentioned yet - ha x-post!

(i don't think cindy b. actually played drums on the record, btw, just video/live)

"actually, the funkiest rock song I remember hearing in the 90s was "love rears its ugly head" by living colour"

probably the living colour song i liked the most. i wasn't really a fan, but i remember really liking it the first time i heard it in a record store.

"(i don't think cindy b. actually played drums on the record, btw, just video/live)"

If this is true I DON'T WANNA KNOW.

yeah, i think lenny played the drum tracks :>

funkiest 90s british radio rock single is much harder - a couple already mentioned but always liked the chorus of 'Moving' by Supergrass too

bringin' da funk!

http://depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Bez.jpg

hells yeah

"Deeper Shade of Soul"!

that's the best doo-wop song of the 90s

oh and whale "hobo humpin slobo babe". and I guess some stuff from check your head

"Deeper Shade of Soul"!

OH MAN!

what's the funkiest afghan wigs song?

'Neglekted' comes to mind. Maybe '66'. (I heard Dulli claim that Hey Ya! stole from 66, wtf.) They were more soulful (lol) then funky. Really they were more singing about sex while the other 90's rock dudes were singing about some bullshit.

On their Dulli's gravestone:

"Really they were more singing about sex while the other 90's rock dudes were singing about some bullshit."

helmet might have been my favorite funk rock band in the 90's

But Scott, what about....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UculXjdcSYs

???

I need to bone up on Brother Cane one of these days! (I did a couple "hard boogie rock" roundups for the Voice and for L.A. Weekly circa '91/92, featuring um...Junkyard, Electric Angels, Dangerous Toys, Blackeyed Susan, Circus of Power, and well, lots of other bands probably. Not sure if Brother Cane figured in those or not. White Trash hit me as a mere "pop your bassline" band at the time, actually. Liked these guys a whole lot more, I'm pretty sure:

http://wm02.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fcfoxqr5ldje

These guys, too, but okay, but not funky as Lenny Kravitz and the Helmets, who cares. (Actually, Helmet never hit me as remotely funky, to be honest. But maybe I could just never get past the singer.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8cQjmGB-YfE

Actually, I meant to link to this Jackyl video, not their AMG page:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AKSJLop26yI

I still think Kid Rock is winning, though.

i work with a woman that did concert promotion for a living in the late 90s. had to get the bands to shows, take them to radio stations.

i mentioned the whigs once and she was like i HATE dulli...i asked he what's up...she said he was half the time normal, half the time some weird loverman persona...like one time she went to pick him up and he was wearing a full length fur coat w/a bottle of hennessy and a cane.

And yet somehow failed to ever make a 2-step record. Lazy.

And where does Collective Soul's best song fit into this (I'm not saying it's really in the running -- though it's as funky as anything I've ever heard by Afghan Whigs, even their TLC cover -- just wanted to link it anyway):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pCjUHCAqqGE

maybe it's a style, not a mistake. i think the criticism is valid -- they are overplayed and overmixed -- but the result is a particular kind of groove that is not funk per se but funk-rock.

OTM. I really like this tune but never thought of it as funky (or even funk-rock, really.) I'm sure it is thuddy and stupid and grooveless compared to "The Big Payback" or something but that's pretty beside the point when it comes to what I enjoy about it. (If anything, I think of it as going for something akin to the pop songs on Houses of the Holy. I'm guessing this what Dominique was getting at.) This is also why I find this thread hilarious.

Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?

The link doesn't work for me but I'm guessing it might be helpful.

(The thuddiness and beat-you-over-the-head stupidity of the groove are part of what I like about the song, as it is.)

I give up trying to link stuff on ILX, even when trying to plug my own threads...it's just hopeless.

Ooh, Collective Soul! That's a good'un. As are Jackyl.
Seward's Sass Jordan-boosting is intriguing to me - I didn't know she had any kind of following in the U.S.

I was blown away and disturbed at the same time. Like when I learned that You Can't Do That On Television had made it across borders as well.

Funkiest rock song of the nineties:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AYVE902NL._AA240_.jpg

even flow is "funky" in an extremely 90s way.

I had Pocket Full Of Kryptonite back in middle school, and thought the album track "Refrigerator Car" was a dead ringer for Even Flow-style PJ.

one of my favorite funniest things about Pearl Jam is that largely unacknowledged period just before superstardom where they toured with RHCP and made goofy songs like "Dirty Frank" and occasionally brought the funk in their own humble way.

their own humble pie way

"Dirty Frank" was my fave PJ B-side for obv. reasons.

As far as I can tell this thread has yet to discuss either Sugar Ray or The Space Monkeys' "Sugar Cane".

Pantera - Walk!

That Collective Soul song doesn't seem funky to me? Certainly not as funky as this (which maybe didn't get as much airplay outside of ATL?)

lol nevermind #1 on Mainstream Rock for 14 weeks

sexy mf is a piece of shit. give it away is a 100 times better. and i dont even like the rhcp that much.

i like the bit where he shows off how he knows that the Riviera is in the south of France

that one luscious jackson song was funky.

someone -- i'm nominating mr. croupier, should make a sweet 2CD post-vitology pearl jam mix so i can hear some dope Binaural album traxxx! thanks in advance.

also it occurs to me, as i've been for some reason pondering the spin doctors (shoot me pls), but their "sound", their thing as it were, was being a jam band without the jams. which also made me think there are probably a bunch of phish songs that are funkier.

But why would jam bands with jams be funkier than jam bands without jams? I don't get that. (And judging from their best-of album last year, Lucious Jackson -- including "Naked Eye," their hit -- were nowhere near as funky as they were made out to be.)

Still, now I'm realzing that I'm kind of surprised nobody mentioned "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys.

Anyway:

funk-rock drumming

MR. SNRUB WUZ RIGHT, or so says Lethal Bizzle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIB-Y7j6mgo

<3 that Whiney defends the drumming on "Two Princes"... for such a boring song the drums are really on another level.

But to come at Chuck: "Two Princes" is 0% funky at all outside of the drumming.

(unless Chuck has a soft spot for that skibidi scooby dooby post-Scatman proto-Mraz vox)

I tried learning the opening drum fill to this. Instead, I quit drumming.

ommaway

"Sexy MF" is about as funky as Geir leading the Spin Doctors.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, January 4, 2008

black crowes - "hard to handle" ?

Listening to this after 20+ years it was surprising how little groove it had.

was thinking "mysterious ways" could be a contender for its "funky drummer"-esque breaks but the madchester bassline kind of puts it in a different category

Too bad "Jerry Was A Racecar Driver" wasn't really played on the radio, 'cause that would pwn all.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, January 4, 2008 12:17 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

"jerry" wasn't a massive hit but it definitely did get radio play

was thinking "mysterious ways" could be a contender for its "funky drummer"-esque breaks

This is blasphemy

that's clearly what they were going for whether you think it was successful or not haha

lol @ calling this song funky

why are rock critics like this

I recently re-read one of Tom's Popular reviews where he calls an early Boyzone single "catastrophically funkless" and the description made me think of "Cleopatra's Cat"

Buh doo beh beh di beh beh beh

the drummer was going off tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5JhMD6Ij7c

Super tasty

would actually be sick to do some blends w that .... can i get a drumless version of Dr. Dre "Fuck You"

ah the 2000's the golden era of the hot take. Wasn't Chuck Eddy the one that was always saying dumb shit like the best metal band of today is Big n' Rich or whatever and there'd be a thread a million posts long

yeah that isolated spin doctors drum track is sweet. don't love the drum tone too much but just a matter of taste, the playing is nice

AEROPLANE is FUNKIER than TWO PRINCES!!!

but that was a few years after

without the singer they aer so good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycW_FnPWaM

i wonder which prince she chose. it's been 34 long years. will we ever know?

There was a third prince

I like that Xhuxk seconded my vote for “How Bizarre”. Right now I might give the nod to HI DERE’s suggestion of “Deeper Shade of Soul”.

yeah that isolated spin doctors drum track is sweet. don't love the drum tone too much but just a matter of taste, the playing is nice

― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, May 1, 2025 8:18 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Aaron Comess is the real deal!

This song is great because for a while in 1991 you could just say random shit abd then go

"That's what I said now"

if you want to do that today, just go ahead now

how I get my two princes fix these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvJ11Jzzbo

how bout that, now

A bib a dip! Bip dip da dip, a beeb a deeb a dooba dooba dooba lubba lubba lubba lubba