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Hands faces 'the perfect storm'
Published: January 14 2008 02:00 | Last updated: January 14 2008 02:00

Given the aggressive plans that Guy Hands will unveil tomorrow for revamping EMI, it is fitting that the buy-out boss's favourite music industry metaphor is a military one.

"I often visualise the record industry as generals throwing CDs at the public, with their troops behind them," says the Terra Firma chief.

Just like past assaults on pubs, aircraft leasing, and cinemas, Mr Hands plans to lead the transformation of a whole industry. He concedes he has taken on "the perfect storm" by acquiring the fabled but struggling company for £3.2bn ($6.3bn). But his diagnosis is that the industry is full of executives living off glory days from the launch of the CD, managing flabby bureau-cracies, and refusing to face the challenges of the internet.

"The industry in the 1990s had all the stars aligned," says Mr Hands. "So the guys running the businesseslooked like geniuses. The reality is they were in the right place at the right time.

"The industry is based still on the phenomenon of the 1990s: on the belief that if you have hits you'll make sufficient money to cover everything else. It's based on the belief if you have conglomerates of labels they can benefit from economies of scale to make enough money," he says.

"It is based on the belief that individuals who know one particular type of music can push a product to the consumer. These are fallacies," declares Mr Hands, who first studied a bid for EMI in 1995 when he left Goldman Sachs to join Nomura, (spun off in 2002 to form Terra Firma).

"Can you imagine what would happen if most consumer industries overshipped by 20 per cent? Can you imagine any consumer industry having 10 per cent of employees as middle management? Can you imagine only 6 per cent of staff in production?"

The record business - in which 85 per cent of artists are lossmaking and EMI pays £25m a year to scrap unsold CDs - "is stuck with a model designed for a world that has gone", he says. His solution is to switch from pushing CDs at consumers to pulling them to-wards music. One element will be focus groups. "People say the industry is more creative and the customer doesn't know, only the creatives do. When you look at which car companies are succeeding, it's the ones which work with customers," he argues.

Surprisingly, he says of Radiohead, the band that ditched EMI last year to launch an album online, "Radiohead realise some of the fans want the premium box set. Radiohead showed the industry that it isn't one answer for all artists, or for every customer."

Mr Hands plans to expand its A&R talent scout team, which accounts for just 6 per cent of staff, while cutting 400 middle managers and hundreds of other staff. Music publishing - the division that manages EMI's lucrative back catalogue of songs and generates 70 per cent of profits - is one area he will hardly touch. "It is the best publishing business in the world," he says. "It's not seen as glamorous or sexy, but it makes money."

Sceptics say Mr Hands has bitten off more than he can chew. "They have no idea how bad it is," one veteran music executive says, stating a widely held view that Terra Firma overpaid when credit markets were forgiving.

Managers of several artists - notably Robbie Williams - have expressed unhappiness with Mr Hands. They also say management quality has improved and the caricature of record managers is outdated. "EMI has been trying to turn around for 10 years. Eighty per cent of the low-hanging fruit has already been picked," says one executive. Yet Mr Hands says Terra Firma makes its biggest profits when most say it has overpaid, as with his investment in AWAS, an aircraft leaser.

"We look for industries that are an essential part of human life. Music we do not see as being substitutable. And we look for businesses with good assets to support them. We like the major labels in the music industry because they have a big content base."

this would make me lose my dinner if I was signed to EMI, but I do find myself agreeing with a lot of it. The point about Radiohead boxset, for instance. The record industry will never be able to make digital releases its primary income source, and so should focus on releasing tangible products that people want, rather than just music that anyone can get for free.

Jack Savidge, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

I remember his brother, Jazz.

Mark G, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

this would make me lose my dinner if I was signed to EMI, but why? The ide of bringing the consumer "to" the music, rather than doing the traditional "make adverts", "do tours", "issue press statements" type of "done to death" promotional activity, would make the struggling artist happier that he or she was less likely to get ignored in the rush to publicise Robbie, for example.

Mark G, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

HAving said that, Mr Hands does seem like the 'bloke down the pub" with half an opinion about where things are going wrong, but not so much how to do it right?

Mark G, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

totally- like his saying that focus groups are how they're gonna out of this mess- er care to elaborate on that, Guy?

Jack Savidge, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

Saying "these people are following an outdated business model" is private equity speak for "I am about to sack 10% of the workforce to make the balance sheet look better".

Matt DC, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

One third of the workforce, surely.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2008 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

haha matt dc otm

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 14 January 2008 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

EMI have been spectacularly clueless in picking new artists over the years...

Too many "artists past their peak"
A whole bunch of "random picks"
and a side order of "someone's mate"

Robbie, presumably, was a 'cheap at the time' ex-boyband solo artist.
Coldplay, a random one that came good
Radiohead, signed back in the 'good old days' where they had half a clue.

If you were an unsigned artist, of course you'd love to be on EMI. One of the biggest names historically, alongside the Beatles, blah de blah. But it's all gone folks!

Last year, who had the most hits for them? Probably the Sex Pistols.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

I've been saying for years that EMI is fucked - I was on their promo list for a while, around the time X&Y came out, and about a year before that too, and the stuff they were hawking was dreadful 90% of the time, plus they were hawking it badly. Having taken a cheque from them for writing sleevenotes on an Embrace compilation, and just seeing how sloppy some of their work has been, I'm not surprised by any of this at all. Whether Mr Jazz Hands will make a difference or not, I don't know, but I can't see them getting worse.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Actually it was Lily Allen, with an album which had been released the previous year.

Anyway, EMI have no one to blame but themselves. The world - the model for marketing and distributing music - was changing but they clung to the tried and tested nurse for fear of something new. The old men pocketed their bonuses and failed to give both their established acts and new acts the support and marketing base they needed (and I'm a monkey's uncle if Warner, Sony/BMG and Universal, in ascending share price order, don't similarly crash in the foreseeable future).

Mind you, EMI were blinkered even in the nineties - "The Millennium Prayer" may have been crap but it was also 1999's second biggest selling single, and instead of being economically astute EMI decided to be the Cool Police and showed Cliff the door. Now they try to survive on the meagre scraps of profit from Cliff, Phil Collins and Spice Girls compilations.

Note also in the distant past the stupid cold feet that EMI got when they jettisoned the Pistols at the end of '76. Result - EMI ended up with no major punk band and had to depend on Cliff and the Beatles back catalogue for fully half a decade.

I doubt whether they've ever really had a clue.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Possibly not, but the 'scene' was vibrant enough that the people at the sharp end that wanted to keep the Pistols got on and signed a lot of punk/new wave/post... acts (good for the compilations they make now, if nothing else)...

If Radiohead and Robbie leg it, I can see why: Current set-up seems to be "oh god I've got to promote Beth Orton/Badlydrawn, I'm being punished for my sins, how do I get back on the Robbie project?", so if that seems to be happening less, they are naturally going to want to flounce off. RHead because they have ideas of their own, Rob because he'd like some time off for a long while too.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

It would not surprise me if their current 'sharp end' consisted of near-work experience people with surnames suspiciously like the board's.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

It would not surprise me if their current 'sharp end' consisted of near-work experience people with surnames suspiciously like the board's.

-- Mark G, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:46 AM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

growth phenomenon amirite embittered music hacks?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

This will end well...

EMI set to take corporate world for a spin

By Martin Arnold and Andrew Edgecliffe-Johnson

Published: January 15 2008 02:00 | Last updated: January 15 2008 02:00

The next Coldplay album could be brought to you by Sudafed, under plans being unveiled by Guy Hands today to boost EMI's flagging earnings with corporate sponsorship.

The Terra Firma chief executive told the FT his private equity group's plan for EMI would include several new ways of making money for artists.

"Football teams have very distinct corporate sponsorship. Why shouldn't some of the leading bands have the same sort of relationships?"

As an example, he said EMI could help bands who would not make it on the international stage find local sponsors who want to break into the student market.

Mr Hands will today present staff and artists' managers with plans to cut £200m of costs at the struggling music group.

He dismissed outsiders' claims that his purchase could face financial trouble. Citigroup - which financed the £4bn EMI deal - had agreed for his buy-out fund to put £200m of extra equity into the company last year, he said, and Terra Firma had raised £250m of cash from co-investors in its funds in the past week.

The extra equity allowed Citigroup to reduce its debt exposure to the deal from £2.7bn to £2.5bn. The co-investor fundraising has re-duced Terra Firma's equity stake from £1.5bn to £1.25bn, still a large share of its latest £3.7bn fund, and raised money for restructuring and acquisitions.

"From a financial point of view, EMI is in an extremely strong position, and frankly is in the strongest position it has been for a long time," Mr Hands said.

Terra Firma has agreed "unlimited cure rights" with Citigroup, giving it more flexibility on financial covenants by counting any fresh equity it puts into EMI as operating profit until 2010. Terra Firma expects returns on EMI to be between 30 per cent and 35 per cent a year over the course of its five-to-eight year investment.

When he reveals plans to cut 1,500-2,000 jobs - a third of EMI staff - Mr Hands will also present a vision of how to tackle the challenges of the internet era.

The Terra Firma boss dismissed claims that artists would suffer, arguing he was doing what musicians and their managers have long called for.

EMI's marketing budget will shrink from over 20 per cent of total spending to 12 to 15 per cent. But Mr Hands plans to boost spending on digital marketing.

Acquisitions will probably focus on EMI's more stable music publishing business.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

But Mr Hands plans to boost spending on digital marketing

oh joy.
more promo mp3 mailouts.

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

I remember his brother, Jazz.

That's the funniest thing I've ever read on ILM.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

Why not just let go of Beth Orton and Badly Drawn Boy? They've long since had their commercial and artistic day and probably would be better off marketing and distributing their own music online.

Why sign Robbie for £80 million when they knew there was no earthly hope of that being recouped?

Focus groups are historically a dud. In 1962 focus groups would have said no to scruffy long-haired Beatles and yes to more Black and White Minstrels and trad jazz.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

EMI going tits up or dying trying not to can only be good for fans of music or lulz. I'm really looking forward to 18 months of heartbreaking news stories about the death of the Music Industry. I don't remember the break-up of the UK's manufacturing base being covered in these terms. Also every time this story's been on the news for the last couple of days I get hoarse from shouting at the telly pointing out the R. Williams' career has been tailspinning for a while now, without the nasty man taking his ridiculous advances away having anything to do with it.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

I like Beth and Damon. But yeah.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

while the new music from EMI is often pants (was I the only one to get multiple copies of the very expensively packaged promos by the dreary Tiny Dancers), they are sitting on some of the best archives in the world, eg. the ever excellent $tateside reissue label.

so, i genuinely hope that part of the beast is not shelved as that would be a blow to my funk.

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Oh all that is making the money, so that's bound to continue.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

Why not just let go of Beth Orton and Badly Drawn Boy? They've long since had their commercial and artistic day and probably would be better off marketing and distributing their own music online.

with orton i wonder if she's ever recouped tbh. maybe through licensing.

will coldplay pull the ultimate radiohead rip-off, is a question. they probably have numerous albums to deliver first, serves 'em for being lazy.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

Serves Coldplay right for sticking to the three-year album/tour/record new album schedule which record company contracts now routinely stipulate.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

with orton i wonder if she's ever recouped tbh. maybe through licensing.

I can't imagine she cost them a whole lot, to be honest. Did she need an advance?

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

has emi squeezed a 'best of' out of coldplay yet? three albums seems to bee enough with some acts.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

Somebody on the breakfast news was quoting some lolworthy shit about flowers and candles this morning and it occurred to me that not only do I not have a clue what any of the non-Chris Martin members of Coldplay are called, but I wouldn't even recognise them if they were playing on a big stage behind Chris Martin.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

has emi squeezed a 'best of' out of coldplay yet? three albums seems to bee enough with some acts.

this crimbo they packaged 2 albums+DVD into a boxset with no new extra material. then there was the 7" singles boxset last year (?).
i'd say they have squeezed a fair bit considering the amount of material so far.

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

The rest of Coldplay are Don Lockwood (guitar), Lina Lamont (bass) and Cosmo Brown (drums).

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

Surely the premature Best Of only comes out when the record company know the audience only wants to hear the famous stuff, that no one is going to buy an album of new material and both sides want to call it an 'album' to fulfil a contractual obligation?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

(ie doesn't really apply to Coldplay, probably does to, ooh, The Strokes)

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

Or the Spice Girls.

With the token crap new track so that contractually it counts as a "new album."

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

The rest of Coldplay are Jim Packwood (guitar), B.G. Grimes (bass) and Gary Miller (drums).

xpost timing! Ah no matter, who knows who they are? Not me for a kickov.

The Strokes have more than 6 hits? Who knew!

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

You're pulling my leg, Dingbod. Cosmo Brown was the starting Turnbuckle for the East St Louis Phlegmatics during the 2001/2 season. Scored a great pipecock against the Arkansas Chuggabugs, as I recall.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

Somebody on the breakfast news was quoting some lolworthy shit about flowers and candles this morning

'flowers & candles' often = code for druqs expenses

stevie, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but this is Coldplay so I took him at his word.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

The Strokes have more than 6 hits? Who knew!

Libertines released Greatest Hits album drawing upon 2 albums' worth of material.

stevie, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

The other three members of Coldplay are Shadrach (guitar), Meshach (bass) and Abednego (drums).

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Libertines released Greatest Hits album drawing upon 2 albums' worth of material.

Something's got to pay for the flowers and candles.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

I just checked: Strokes 8 hits, Libs 6.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

xxp: Coldplay is one person, dummy.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

xxp: Coldplay is one dummy, person.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

xxp: dummy is one person, Coldplay.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

What, like Ray Alan and Lord Charles?

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

and their big hits, "Yerrow" and "Truggle"

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

Released on their own Silly Arse imprint.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Coldplay's hits;

35 Coldplay Shiver Mar 2000 Notes
4 Coldplay Yellow Jul 2000
10 Coldplay Trouble Nov 2000
2 Coldplay In My Place Aug 2002
10 Coldplay The Scientist Nov 2002
9 Coldplay Clocks Apr 2003
2 Coldplay Speed Of Sound Jun 2005
4 Coldplay Fix You Sep 2005
10 Coldplay Talk Dec 2005
37 Coldplay Fix You (re-entry) Jan 2006

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Obviously can't have Fix You twice, so stick on early pre-fame singles (2), plus Clocks trance remix and two new songs; hey presto, 14 tracks.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on, what happened to "God put a smile on your face"?

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Never an actual single.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

They're to be commended, I feel, for not overdoing the singles from each album. 3 is a healthy number, I feel.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'd quite like to hear a Coldplay cover of "Make 'Em Laugh" actually.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

well, it means i've only heard 9 coldplay songs, which is some kind of a result.

xpostt

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

My mole tells me that some of the acts to be dropped from EMI have already been informed; one UK indie band certainly knew about it yesterday.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

guess The Departure aren't going to get their second album out then

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

They could always burn some CDs themselves and place them straight in the MVE bargain racks, thereby cutting out the middleman.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

Both Louis J@gger and Gomez gone in one week?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

which all reminds me, i wonder if that Athlete album last year even covered costs with the constant Dreary O Leary plugging on Radio 2 ?
thats gotta be the way forward, 'sponsorship' by on-board Radio DJs who are fans.
payola in reverse.

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'll be sorry if Athlete are culled, as I thought that last album was actually rather good: a definite case of an Album I Rate from a Genre I Hate.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

they are pretty solid i'd say.
they have a healthy following dont they ?
anyway, lets speculate away, well at least until the posts start appearing on various official myspace pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musicians_signed_to_EMI

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

Annie Lennox was dropped, so says yahoo...

2for25, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

where's those damn maracas?

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Heaven needed a self important oh where's Dom when you needim?

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

"jazz hands" : http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/inthenews/0,,2241108,00.html

mark e, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

And she's not even signed to EMI!

From "ShowbizSpy..."

Singer Annie Lennox has been dropped by her record label — in what she’s called a shocking snub and a “kick in the teeth”.

The “No More I Love You’s” star, 53, was left shocked when her label, Sony BMG suddenly began ignoring her weeks before her contract was due to expire.

The former Eurythmics singer - one of the most successful female artists ever - has been hit hard by the shabby treatment. She said: “They totally ignored me. It was bizarre, a kick in the teeth.

“They didn’t even pick up phone calls or emails for three weeks. I’m trying to find out what’s behind it. Probably a good thing that I’m no longer with them - mild understatement. Unless it’s them trying to tell me something… Hello!”

Annie - whose last album reached number in the UK chart last October, added to Britain’s Daily Mirror newspaper: “It feels like I’m spent, as if I’ve completely run out of energy. I’m now out of contract with Sony BMG.

“I’m going to take my time over the coming months to figure out what to do with this freedom.”

One of her plans is a clear-out and charity sale of possessions on eBay. Annie said: “It’ll be a great big jumble sale.”

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

(I like how they left a gap for the album's chart position, to be filled in when they found out...)

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

123? 76?

Tom D., Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

Well, to be fair, it was number 7 in October 2007.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

That'll teach her to rant about Radiohead-style downloading!

Perhaps it'll also teach Radio 2 to play music its listeners actually like.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Erm, reaching the end of your contract isn't exactly being dropped, is it?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

The “No More I Love You’s” star

reads really strange, this sort of description.

blueski, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

"The 'Walking On Broken Glass' star" weirder/less weird?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

"The "Why" star" seems about right.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

There must be a tax bill playing with her heart.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Taxcrime

Tom D., Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

used to seeing 'the X star' for actors, not so much for recording artistes

blueski, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

At least they didn't call her the 'Diva' diva.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Bet she's kicking herself for turning down Dancing On Ice.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

At least they didn't call her the 'Diva' diva.

-- Matt DC, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

they shoulda, that's good! </ smash hits reader>

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

I don't remember the break-up of the UK's manufacturing base being covered in these terms.

OTMFM

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

In 1962 focus groups would have said no to scruffy long-haired Beatles and yes to more Black and White Minstrels and trad jazz.

OTM... so much so, that I quoted it to Boy George during this afternoon's Grumpy Old Man bitch-fest of an interview. (He agreed.)

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

OH NOES NOT THE VERVE ON STRIKE

Let's hope Blue Mink don't decide to withhold their next album too.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

what will happen to Mute Records?

djmartian, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

...that's actually a very good question.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

And Warp?

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

KENNY LARKIN GOES ON STRIKE

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

what will happen to Mute Records?

don't they make scadloads of money? i'm sure they'll be fine...

stevie, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

BOYD RICE GOES ON STRIKE

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

Rolling Stones not leaving, but releasing their next album on another label (???)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/17b24080-c487-11dc-a474-0000779fd2ac,dwp_uuid=e8477cc4-c820-11db-b0dc-000b5df10621.html

StanM, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

It's a soundtrack album, they often go outside the scope of Americal contracts particularly. Witness those Beatles albums on United Artists in the sixties, for "Help" and "A Hard Days Night".

Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2008 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, ok. It's still going to be perceived as this "another blow to EMI" though, even if it technically shouldn't be...

StanM, Thursday, 17 January 2008 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/01/guy_hands_and_emi.html

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

He also needs to take a carving knife to the roster. It's full of bands no one has ever heard of (the Sonic Hearts, The Redwalls, Connan and the Mockasins). Or bands everyone thinks are rubbish (Cherish, Fischerspooner, Thunder). Or bands that are simply on the wrong label for what they do (Morning Runner, the Sleepy Jackson). Why, for instance, has EMI got Prinzhorn Dance School, a band described by this hardly reactionary paper as "possibly the least commercially viable group ever signed to a major label"? They should be first out of the door, preferably without a cab fare, and be made to get on their bikes and look for work - in a dance school, making tea, if necessary.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

how are mute and warp tied to EMI?

tricky, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Mute's been taken over by EMI in 2002, but I don't know about Warp

StanM, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

Why, for instance, has EMI got Prinzhorn Dance School,

they do? what's DFA's place in this?

electricsound, Thursday, 17 January 2008 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that whole article is 99% OTM.

The 1%? Joss Stone. I don't like her that much, but hey she hasn't actually 'flopped' yet.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2008 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

I'm amazed Fischerspooner are still on a major label.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 17 January 2008 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm amazed Fischerspooner are still on a major label.

.. as are fischerspooner ..

have to say, i doubt EMI will be funding any more vanity projects via DFA a la PDS and the Shocking Pinks, i very much doubt both of those paid for the advertising that each album got.
EMI didn't pick up the Pylon reissue in the UK I noticed, so perhaps the changes have already begun to kick in.
The whole EMI/DFA concerns me, as no EMI => t'will be a bugger to pick up the DFA stuff, which is not good.

mark e, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

Pretty hateful, ill-informed comments there about the Bird and the Bee and Joss Stone - yes, Diva Simpson, why don't those Devon plebs get back behind the deli counter where they belong, so that EMI can spend the money saved on hiring even more failed music journalists as PR "consultants"?

Had Div Wimpson, in common with all Grauniad music "writers," actually got off his idle arse and done some basic research, he would know that Joss Stone is currently huge in the States, where her last album didn't tank as it did here, and that the excellent Bird and the Bee (who are signed to Blue Note rather than EMI direct) album has sold pretty well - furthermore, Greg Kurstin, who is one half of B & the B, has written and produced dozens of hits for other artists this past year, including Natasha Bedingfield and Kylie.

The Prinzhorn Dance School/Warp set-up has already been explained.

Really, is it too much to ask that the Grauniad's people actually stop and think about what they're going to write before they write it?

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

With all this talk about investing more in A&R networks, I presume they've bothered to think about how they'd actually offer any incentive for artists to sign to EMI rather an a n other major label?

Matt DC, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

I think the living wage is a perfectly decent incentive in itself but investing in A&R networks is the kind of mistake which led to a third of the workforce being made redundant in the first place and considerably more money could be saved by getting rid of all these hangers-on.

In the sixties the major record companies tended to have on average one A&R person on their books and they seemed to do pretty well.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

But really the whole operation has to be split into two; one to deal with new artists (and new media), one to administer and maximise the worth of the back catalogue. And new acts should be given realistic help rather than being bestowed with even into half EMI's kingdom if they show even a smidgeon of promise.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

"even UNTO half EMI's kingdom"

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Simpson saying that EMI need MORE artists like Joss Stone and The Bird And The Bee - i.e. ones with proven sales or ones who experiment but with clear potential for crossover via licensing...OK that may be wishful thinking re TBATB but if he just threw them in because he thinks they should be bigger than they are than I agree.

blueski, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not sure why he's so invested in emi's share price really.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

It would appear that Slave Blimpson believes that B&B and Joss would be better employed as tilers or plumbers. I'm not sure he's smart enough to get away with extended metaphor.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

What's funny is that Dingbod has been posting for several days actually in agreement with the main thrust of the argument.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

I do agree with it in principle but he's going for entirely the wrong targets, i.e. just another excuse to slag off a bunch of acts who have sold less than e.g. Daniel O'Donnell.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ah so basically the same as what I said before.

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

The main bone of contention (back to Mr Hands now.. You know, if Jazz Summers hadn't got involved I could have continued calling him JazzHands but hey, anyway close bracks carry on) seems to be his lack of 'understanding' of music re his daughter's Lily Allen comment.

I remember a FZappa quote, I'll see if I can find it.

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

There should be international laws about that kind of people being allowed to own companies producing culture.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

As for all the discussion about EMI's mistakes upthread, nobody seems to mention what was probably EMI's biggest mistake: The copy protection. They ended up having people boycotting music they did actually like for several years just because of that stupid technology that didn't protect CDs from being copied, only from being played on certain players.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

nope. (xpost to my Zappa non-quote)

Basically:

"In the older days you had old guys who would say "Hey, I don't understand it at all, but maybe the kids do... Let's put it out and see", whereas later on there'd be some hippy dude who would say "Listen, I know what the kids like, and they won't go for this."

So, a return to 'bean counters' does not necessarily kill groundbreaking/experimental stuff.

That's not a defence or crit of MrHand, but who knows...

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to Geir pt 1: Oh boy.

Pt2: Well, that's only one facet of their failure to embrace and exploit the downloading market. Which certainly has been mentioned.

Interesting point regarding it though:

My copy of Kevin Ayers' "Whatevershebringswesing" bought in Amsterdam is copy protected. My copy of "Joy of a Toy" bought in Reading does not. Both were clearly made in the same factory.

Seems Europe was the 'test' bed.

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, personally I am not the one who is put-off most by it. I play CDs, not mp3 files. And copy protected CDs usually work perfectly on my CD players except a few of them tend to skip a bit on the first track when I play them on my portable.

But generally, they lost a lot of people that way.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 January 2008 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

"Companies producing culture"!

Matt DC, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

Yokult?

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7196031.stm

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

How desperate must a record company be to depend on FEEDER for financial security?

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

They are scarily consistent though (last two albums both got to no 2)

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

There was an element of the sympathy vote there, though.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Well, maybe but that was the album before those two (last one was a greatest hits, and thesedays hardly anyone gets GH albums into top ten)

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe because there are so many of the same ones at five-year intervals - does the world really need another Zep/Beautiful South/Housemartins compilation? They certainly didn't seem to want the Spice Girls one much.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

My kids did, I'll tell you that. Not that they've actually played it, funnily enough. It was more the DVD of the hits they were after.

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

It's a soundtrack album, they often go outside the scope of Americal contracts particularly. Witness those Beatles albums on United Artists in the sixties, for "Help" and "A Hard Days Night".

Only Hard Days Night was released on United Artists in the US. Help! was on Capitol. The latter was assembled in one evening by Dave Dexter, Jr., the Capitol staffer who assembled most of the pre-'67 US Beatles albums (a fascinating/infuriating story covered in detail by Dave Marsh in his brilliant The Beatles' Second Album book).

Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

They are scarily consistent though

This is a double-edged sword innit?

Noodle Vague, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

have to admit i didn't know Bowie was on Chrysalis

mark e, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

xpost OK, "Let it Be" was on apple/UA then.

Mark G, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

How desperate must a record company be to depend on FEEDER for financial security?

you may not like them marcello but they are pretty damned successful. had you done some actual research yadda yadda zzzz.

stevie, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8039773.stm

Music giant EMI tripled its earnings over the past year, helped by cost-cutting measures that reportedly caused a near-revolt by its artists.

The company generated underlying earnings of £163m between March 2008 and 2009, against £51m the year before.

It is the first full year EMI has been under the ownership of the private equity group Terra Firma.

In 2008, the new owners shed 2,000 of EMI's 5,500 members of staff worldwide, which saved it £48m this year.

Radiohead exit

Senior members of EMI's board also lost their jobs in the takeover, leading to fears the label would lose its creative edge.

Radiohead, one of the label's biggest acts, left EMI saying the new owners did not understand the music industry.

At the time, Radiohead guitarist Ed O'Brien said: "It's been taken over by somebody who's never owned a record company before."

The band's lead singer Thom Yorke later claimed music was being "devalued" by the involvement of a private equity firm treating bands "as simply part of their stock".

There were also reports Robbie Williams was refusing to make another album for EMI because he was worried the new management would not know how to promote it properly.

Warning to artists

More change was to come when Guy Hands, the owner of Terra Firma, imposed a new approach towards rewarding artists.

He warned them EMI would no longer promote musicians who demanded big advances on the salaries but did not deliver the hits.

Like other record companies EMI has suffered in recent years because of the decline in sales of CDs.

However, EMI said 35% of its income in the past year was generated by non-physical sales, such as music downloads over the internet.

"There is still a great deal of work to be done to restore EMI to its former greatness," said Elio Leoni-Sceti, who was hired last year as EMI's new chief executive.

He added the group could not afford to become "complacent".

The company said Coldplay's Viva La Vida album was their most successful product, claiming it was the world's best selling album in 2008.

EMI is due to release Robbie Williams' latest album later in this year.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 8 May 2009 16:59 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

and yet...

Troubled record company EMI is in the news again for all the wrong reasons, as its current owner Terra Firma turns on the bank that financed the £4bn ($6.5bn) takeover.

Private equity dealmaker Guy Hands, fighting to salvage his reputation, thinks Citigroup set him up by not telling him other players had pulled out of the bidding war in 2007.

For its part, Citigroup says it will defend its role in the proceedings "vigorously".

But while the legal battle rages, EMI is still showing its peerless expertise in exploiting the crown jewels of its back catalogue.

(...)

Now, just when long-suffering collectors thought their wallets were safe from further attack, EMI has returned to the fray with two more repackage jobs.

One is a "Christmas pack" containing four of the most acclaimed Beatles albums - Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road.

The other is an extremely limited apple-shaped USB drive containing the Beatles' works in MP3 and Flac formats - the only way to obtain the band's music legally as digital files, since none of their songs are available from download sites.

(...)

EMI is not the only record company turning past glories into a present-day revenue stream, although the near-£200 price tag on its Beatles box sets has angered many fans.

But the latest back-catalogue bonanza could be EMI's last big chance to make serious money from its most valuable tunes - in Europe, at least.

At present, record labels have exclusive rights to sell sound recordings in the EU for a period of 50 years. After that, other companies can put out their own editions.

Unless the law is changed, the first Beatles record, Love Me Do, will go out of copyright at the end of 2012.

In April, the European Parliament voted to extend the copyright protection to 70 years, but the move has still to be approved by the European Council.

In the US, the picture is very different. Thanks to a series of overlapping federal and state laws, virtually all sound recordings are subject to legal protection until 2067.

However, multinational record companies would be reluctant to invest the time and effort that went into the Beatles' remastering if they could not be sure of reaping a worldwide return.

No future?

So why is EMI still reliant on music that was recorded in the last century? Why has it not discovered new talents that can reduce its dependence on the archives?

Well, the label does boast the likes of Robbie Williams, Lily Allen and Coldplay on its current roster.

But all those artists were signed before the company was taken over by Guy Hands' private equity firm, Terra Firma, in 2007.

In the two-and-a-half years since the deal was done, EMI has attracted attention in various ways, but musical creativity has not been one of them.

Artists who prided themselves on their originality did not warm to a new boss who was routinely described in profiles as "karaoke-loving".

For his part, Mr Hands took a look at EMI's bottom line and was appalled.

"We discovered that new music over the last 18 months had lost £130m," he told the BBC in January 2008.

"In fact, new music had not been profitable ever since the digital age arrived."

Furniture music

Mr Hands' cost-cutting methods were part of the standard turnaround tactics employed by private equity firms, in their quest to revamp underperforming companies and sell them on.

However, such an approach had never been tried at a record company before - and the results were counter-productive.

Radiohead, the Rolling Stones and even ex-Beatle Sir Paul McCartney decided they had had enough of EMI, all jumping ship to seek other deals.

"Everybody at EMI had become part of the furniture," Sir Paul said when he left in 2007.

"I'd be a couch, Coldplay are an armchair. Robbie Williams, I dread to think what he was."

But the fundamental problem was that Terra Firma had paid too much for EMI at the height of the private equity boom, making the resulting debt - most of it owed to investment bank Citigroup - unsustainable.

After Citigroup refused to write off £1bn of that debt in exchange for a further cash injection from Mr Hands, relations soured.

That prompted Terra Firma's legal action against the bank - in essence, an attempt to blame Citigroup for the high cost of the EMI deal.

Back at the sharp end of the business, EMI is already running into problems with that Beatles USB stick.

A design fault means that quite a number of the drives have arrived with the apple's stalk snapped off, and disgruntled fans are clamouring for replacements.

The item is starting to look like a metaphor for Terra Firma's acquisition of EMI: something that seemed like a good idea at the time, but rapidly turned into an expensive liability.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 10:18 (sixteen years ago)

Guy Hands didn't even understand the concept of a record company advance *after* Teffa Firma had taken in EMI, had to have it explained to him.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 12:03 (sixteen years ago)

r.williams clearly a stool

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 12:07 (sixteen years ago)

poor guy hands, im sure everyone feels sorry for him

Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 18:02 (sixteen years ago)

guy hands has man arms

abanana, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

Unless the law is changed, the first Beatles record, Love Me Do, will go out of copyright at the end of 2012.

The Mayans were right.

da croupier, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 18:32 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

Music group EMI will report it has lost around £1.5bn in the last financial year

James Mitchell, Thursday, 4 February 2010 11:08 (sixteen years ago)

See, my theory always was:

that the board sold to Guy Hands et al, to 1) prevent the label/organisation being subsumed into Universal, and becoming a boutique label along with Decca, Polydor, etc., and 2) to have someone who had more money than sense hold the entitlement for a while, and when they've reduced the value of it, buy it back for a pittance, and keep the difference.

Mark G, Thursday, 4 February 2010 11:22 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://blogs.news.sky.com/kleinman/Post:59456315-530d-4c17-a013-dea12c839c5b

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 1 May 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

UPDATE 17:05: EMI has asked me to correct the original version of this post, which said that Madonna was one of the company's artists - she isn't.

Mark G, Saturday, 1 May 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12339299

US banking giant Citigroup has taken over the ownership of EMI, the record label where it was the major creditor.

Under the terms of the deal, EMI's debt has been reduced by 65% from £3.4bn to £1.2bn.

In 2007, Citigroup loaned money to Guy Hands' private equity firm Terra Firma to enable it to buy EMI.

But the takeover proved to be a failure, with Terra Firma widely seen as having massively overpaid for the company.

EMI said it would continue under the same management and that it was now completely separate from its previous owner

Citigroup said it would eventually sell EMI.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 17:13 (fifteen years ago)

Bye Guy!

I've been dancing since 9 and I'm tired and hungry (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

according to various mailouts (CMU basically) there have been rumours that this would happen, thereby allowing Mr Hands to then get funding and buy EMI again for a much reduced price !

mark e, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 07:45 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

UK music firm EMI has said it will sell its recorded music unit for £1.2bn ($1.9bn) to Universal Music.

Reports have suggested that the other half of EMI's business - the lucrative music publishing unit - will go to a Sony-led consortium for more than $2bn.

EMI, with a history dating back to 1897, is home to artists including Coldplay, the Beatles and Pink Floyd.

Citigroup seized ownership of EMI in February after previous owner Terra Firma failed a solvency test.

"I particularly welcome the fact that EMI will once again be owned by people who really do have music in their blood," said Rolling Stones singer Sir Mick Jagger.

The manager of Coldplay also welcomed Universal.

"They have assembled the most talented group of executives in the industry today and their success speaks for itself," Dave Holmes said.

Universal Music is a unit of Vivendi, the French media company.

Troubled history

EMI's labels include Blue Note, Capitol, Parlophone and Virgin Records.

Labels included under the Universal umbrella are Def Jam, Motown, Decca, Island Records, Interscope Records and Polydor Records.

"For me, as an Englishman, EMI was the pre-eminent music company that I grew up with," said Universal Music chairman and chief executive Lucian Grainge. "Its artists and their music provided the soundtrack to my teenage years."

He added: "Universal Music Group is committed to both preserving EMI's cultural heritage and artistic diversity and also investing in its artists and people to grow the company's assets for the future."

In June, EMI said it would launch a strategic review into the future of the business, which it said could result in a sale, share flotation, or a restructuring of its finances.

Private equity firm Terra Firma, led by Guy Hands, bought EMI for £4.2bn in 2007 just before the credit crunch sent the global financial markets into turmoil.

It subsequently admitted that it had overpaid for EMI, and struggled to meet payments on the £2.6bn it had borrowed from Citigroup to fund the deal.

Last year, Terra Firma took Citigroup to court in the US, accusing the bank of tricking it into paying an inflated price for EMI. It lost the case, with a jury ruling in favour of Citigroup.

(Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Boom.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/business/global/universal-takeover-of-emi-music-is-approved.html?hp

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 September 2012 12:41 (thirteen years ago)

Shall we have a whip-round and buy Parlophone?

We could get "ILX has a Bucket" pressed in lim-ed Vinyl!

Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 14:43 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Annnnd Parlaphone is retired and divvied up:

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/global/5840082/coldplay-david-guetta-go-to-atlantic-records-radiohead-pink-floyd

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:17 (twelve years ago)

Under the new structure, Warner Bros. Records will distribute new releases from Damon Albarn, Kylie Minogue, Lily Allen, Bat For Lashes, Eliza Doolittle, Conor Maynard, Gabrielle Aplin, among others, and catalog titles from Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Blur, Gorillaz, Radiohead, Kraftwerk, Supergrass and Sinead O’Connor. Atlantic Records will distribute new releases from three additional artists – Coldplay, Tinie Tempah and, through dance imprint Big Beat, David Guetta.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:18 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

pobrecito

The Reverend, Saturday, 11 April 2015 10:34 (ten years ago)


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