35th annual pazz and jop

http://souljaboy.seenon.com/img/product/cats/00025362-734715.jpg

random obvious comment: this is a *really* close vote among the top three albums -- and the one with the fewest mentions finished on top!

Curious that Radiohead and M.I.A. received the exact same number of points and, therefore, tied for 2nd place. Has that ever happened before? Is the fix in? Do we even give a shit any more?

Let's not forget what the numbers were a couple of weeks ago:

Albums

1 LCD Soundsystem Sound of Silver 1651(140)

2 M.I.A. Kala 1595(142)

3 radiohead In Rainbows 1580(145)

4 Amy Winehouse 1383(122)

5 Arcade Fire Neon Bible 1199(110)

Singles

1 Rihanna Umbrella ?

2 Amy Winehouse Rehab 87

3 Feist 1234 57

4 LCD Soundsystem \"All My Friends\" 54

5 Justice D.A.N.C.E. 51

Anyone know the email address for corrections? They changed two of the titles on my singles ballot.

sweet! my votes were counted:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/ballots.php?cid=4929

What's up, Ray Ray?

People who like Justice and Simian Mobile Disco "should be ashamed," apparently:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/0804,burns,78893,.html

(Because it's impossible to dance to rock music. Or something.)

Burns should be ashamed of that bunch of crap.

I would dance to all this Justice.

Didn't see this coming so soon — doesn't it usually come out in February?

i like greg tate's essay.

does he really think Burial or Studio is somehow more danceable than Justice/SMD? clown

(i like all of the above, shocking as it seem)

"I was into Black Kids in, like, June."
Jon Caramanica
Brooklyn, New York

There are people who love heavy metal, people who love heavy metal, and people who love heavy metal. (I'm not sure which one I am.)

i LOVE heaVY meTAL.

x-post

Duh, you're a person who loves heavy metal.

chuck, i like metal! i just don't LOVE metal, see...

I'm a people who love heavy metal myself.

Love the Julianne Shepherd and Amy Linden pieces. Zach Baron's is good, too.

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i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE dance music.

I would have liked it more if that Miranda Lambert piece had talked more about how the music sounds, not that the image issues aren't important, but if I were going to write about it, I would want to mention how often it makes classic rock moves (which could still clearly fit into the theme of how it appeals to a crossover audience).

Dahnce music miscreant!

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does he really think Burial or Studio is somehow more danceable than Justice/SMD? clown

-- blueski, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:50 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

otm

You can't call people "clowns", btw. It is teh racismist.

The sad thing is that I think I'm more curious to see Glenn McDonald's statistical analysis more than I was to see this poll's results.

I think he just thinks it's more "dance," not more danceable.

The full comments from the ballots don't appear anywhere? (Had they already started that last year?)

shocker that xhuxk will be happy about: "Crank That" did WAY better on this poll, #27 in singles with 15 mentions! what a weird and unexpected Voice/Idolator demo shift.

Mims also doing better at #105 with 5 mentions (up from #263 with 2 mentions). Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll, though. Still, Pazz & Jop: champion of ringtone rap.

hey rodney! what's up?

i'm sorta amazed that ANYONE voted for MIMS in any sense, really.

^ban

Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll

But they got THREE TIMES as many singles votes in Pazz & Jop as in Idolator! So yes, I am happier now.

You can't call people "clowns", btw. It is teh racismist.

what about actual clowns?

Hmm, apparently there are 561 P&J ballots, as opposed to only 452 Ipop ballots. That's kinda unexpected.

People forgot what they were fighting for, maybe.

Rock critics, last week:

http://991.com/newGallery/Tina-Turner-I-Dont-Wanna-Figh-18082.jpg

Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll

But they got THREE TIMES as many singles votes in Pazz & Jop as in Idolator! So yes, I am happier now.

-- xhuxk, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

wait, "Party Like A Rock Star" got 3 votes? I don't see that, and I got as far as most of the singles that got 2 votes before giving up on finding it.

RIP, Ike.

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How will "This Is Why I'm Hot" do?

-- The Reverend, Friday, September 21, 2007 3:08 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

"It's Goin' Down" was 49 last year, I picture it doing about as well as that. Maybe "Party Like A Rock Star" and a little higher and "Crank That" a little lower.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Friday, September 21, 2007 3:14 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^ I was completely rong about this. but then, that was a little before "Crank That" became way bigger than any of the others.

Huh, should've been three mentions for Mims on Idolator - my ballot comes up when you search, but doesn't look like it got counted (I'm the only search result for Omarion outside of Rich's mix, & for Kavinsky's "Wayfarer" - they're not on the singles list) ... this happen to anyone else?

But you didn't vote for "This Is Why I'm Hot," you voted for a mash-up.

wait, "Party Like A Rock Star" got 3 votes?

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/ballots.php?mid=1236

Uh, that lists them as "album results" though -- weird! Maybe that's why they didn't show up in the singles tally?

Oh yeah, guess it's a glitch, hopefully someone will fix it.

Don't know who Carol Cooper is but she got the hat trick with all 3 of the big one-hit-wonder ringtones on her ballot.

She's a really good writer -- she's written about r&b, hip-hop, gospel, Latin stuff, even country sometimes for the Voice (among other places) since the '80s. (She wrote for me fairly often when I was there.)

this is why Carol Cooper is hot

Sorry to all ILM posters who voted, but when Britney Spears is higher than High on Fire, Neil Young and Baroness, it just confirms my belief that the apocalypse is right around the corner. Or, alternatively, that polls like this suck real hard.

But what if she made a better album than them? (I wouldn't know; I never heard it. I like the Baroness record. But the Britney songs I heard were more compelling than anything on High on Fire album.)

xp (Also reggae, Caribbean and African music, etc.) (for Carol Cooper, that is.)

"But the Britney songs I heard were more compelling than anything on High on Fire album"

I've had the unfortunate experience of hearing hers and I strongly disagree. I thought the HOF was a nice change of pace from their other stuff, incorporating Eastern elements, etc.

i have no doubt that britney could make a better album than baroness, high on fire, or neil young. but i didn't hear brit's album either.

first of all, britney is filled with way more rage than high on fire, baroness, or neil young. which can make for fiery art.

I haven't heard the Britney album but those singles are pretty horrible. What a weird time for her to become a critic's favorite, in the past none of her albums have placed on P&J and the only singles that have before "Piece Of Me" were much much bigger hits.

Anybody telling me Britney's songs are more compelling than that Massey Hall thing is crazy. That's a guy legitimately putting his heart out on a silver platter for the audience.

oh i was talking about now.

I don't think Britney has much to do with her so called "fiery art".

Frank Kogan to thread!

Bill, you may want to take your head and stick it in a fishbowl.

Thanks, pinhead

I thought the Britney singles were pretty good, myself.

Kogan:

I finally admitted it. Britney's Blackout is the album of the year. Blackout vs. Aly & A.J.'s Insomniatic is like the Stooges' Raw Power vs. New York Dolls once was, and my heart was saying Aly & A.J. this year in the same way that long ago it was saying the Dolls. What my decision finally came down to then and now was force (power, wantonness, viscera seizing you by the throat, insinuatingly nervy sexiness) vs. love (passion, vulnerability, warmth, sympathy, desperation, smarts, idealism), and I had to admit that it was the Stooges (force) more than the Dolls (love) that I incessantly craved in my musical synapses. The Dolls had more good songs than the Stooges, fewer dead spots, smarter lyrics, more open available humanness (and humaneness), more tunes, more beauty, just as the Aly & A.J. album has more good songs than the Britney, and fewer bad ones (in fact, no bad ones).

But I think it helps Britney that her voice is older than Aly's or A.J.'s. Even with this great half-piercing scratch thing that Aly and A.J. do with their vocal chords (you get the sense that their throats could break into feedback any second), their voices are still teenagers'; Britney's has more presence. I SIMPLY DO NOT COMPREHEND THE REVIEWERS WHO ARE WONDERING WHERE BRITNEY IS ON THE ALBUM. Blackout has an overwhelming - sometimes unpleasantly overwhelming - personal force to it in the same way that Mick Jagger's personal force is all over Aftermath and Eminem's is all over The Marshall Mathers LP. Whether it's the brat thing in "Piece Of Me" or the sprite thing in "Radar," there's a persona and a body that's coming right out at you.

That italicized shit is some of the worst music writing I've ever seen

Bill, if you haven't listened to the album and think you're still justified in discussing it, please follow my advice about the fishbowl.

What a weird time for her to become a critic's favorite, in the past none of her albums have placed on P&J and the only singles that have before "Piece Of Me" were much much bigger hits

Well, "bigger hits" doesn't always mean "higher Pazz & Jop finishes." I like some of her earlier singles better than the ones from this year, too. (In fact, I've voted for singles by her before, and didn't this year.) But given the, um, fiery artsiness she's selling now, I don't think it's surprising at all that this is her moment for critics. Judging from what I heard, she certainly made better music this year than lots of other artists who scored in 2007.

Ive heard it. I think it sucks. And I also think I heard some very good music in '07. I said that a few posts ago. If you don't think I'm qualified to talk about it, I'll stick the the metal and nfl threads. Thanks for your concerns.

xpost

He said he'd listened to it, Alfred (right xpost). I haven't heard the whole record but I've listened the crap out of the singles esp. "Piece of Me" and think they're fantastic, but I can see how that sound wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, esp. not a metal guy. (The part about questioning her authorship of the artifact isn't going to lead anywhere good here, I agree.)

Calm down, boys.

questioning her authorship of the artifact

Kogan again, fwiw:

And yes, for all I know the producers coached her to this persona, or used the takes that ensured they got it - though this would mean that the different producers on the different songs all made more or less the same artistic choices; and whoever chose the songs for the album (is there any evidence that it wasn't Britney? she's the executive producer of the thing) wanted and got a coherent emotional tone; the leaked outtakes show a more varied and generally less hectic sound.

totally, I agree with Kogan; just wanted to note that questioning Britney's authorship here is just going to lead down well-trodden paths of arguments that aren't ultimately that fruitful.

Interesting that "Can't Tell Me Nothing" dropped really far from Idolator to P&J (down 19 spots with barely half the mentions), but "Stronger" and "Good Life" stayed more or less in the same places.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. It doesn't really work as a single (in my eyes, although it sounds great on the album) anyway.

Oh, I hate it, I'm glad it's lower than "Good Life" on at least one poll.

New record for me, I think - I was the only person who voted for six of my ten albums. (I don't vote for singles because I don't listen to the radio.) I can understand why more people didn't vote for Wisin y Yandel's Los Extraterrestres - it was released very late in '07. But Tego Calderón's album, El Abayarde Contra-Ataca, is one of the most slept-on discs of the year. I mean, the only two reviews I saw of it anywhere were me in Global Rhythm and Kelefa Sanneh in the Times. Anybody who likes M.I.A. and hasn't even sought out Tego's album is a fuckin' moron.

Well Phil, you can always follow up with a link or something. ;-)

http://www.myspace.com/tegocalderon

I dunno, I don't like the Calderon album as much as his previous work. I like Tego best when he's doing (I'm stealing deej's "adult contempo-rap" here) adult contempo-reggaeton. But it's not a bad album and definitely worth hearing. I was surprised that it seemed to slip under the radar even as compared to The Underdog, though. And there's a review of it on AMG, fwiw. xp

magillol

I couldn't seek out the Calderon because I was too moronic.

touche

If there's one gem on the album, it's "Ni Fu Ni Fa".

lol radiohead almost won

I loved The Underdog/El Subestimado but I have to purchase all my reggaetón so if I don't get something the week it's out for $9.99 at Best Buy it's like forget it. Not all of us get all the free albums you do, editor-types, or have all the time in the world to download albums off the Internet.

So yeah, I am a fuckin' moron, but THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Not all of us get all the free albums you do, editor-types, or have all the time in the world to download albums off the Internet.

qft for all time

Unfortunately it came out as I was feeling burned out on Tego (not to mention that I have drastically cut down on my CD purchases this year).

I don't get shit free or dl and I managed to hear the Tego album.

Unfortunately it came out as I was feeling burned out on Tego

This might hold a bit true for me, too.

xpost Well goodie for you Mr. Reggaetón Expert guy. :]

(r0dney I mean)

haha, I'm very much only at the beginning.

There's a 10.99 cd+dl offer on his myspace page, btw

Yeah but that's how much a pack of diapers costs so tough shit Tego.

fair 'nuff

http://idolator.com/347889/pazz-and-jop-essayist-says-you-need-to-stop-dancing-to-stuff-you-like

^re: burns' essay

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can listen to the whole album on the myspace.

my heero! xp

so what's bridge and tunnel house now?

Well-said, Jess.

I bought both the Tego and Wisin y Yandel albums, for the record.

Whirled Music Nerd Smack-Down 2008!

pwned by Ioannis

Haha I love that all Todd's alternatives (Burial, The Field, Glass Candy) are all uber-uber obvious critical consensus picks as well and, equally, pretty difficult to dance to even by people who are immersed in dubstep/minimal/italo revivalist shit.

in his defense i think he had to pick justice/smd alternatives that people had at least heard of (nevermind the fact that you can't dance to them), i'm sure he wanted to name-drop some dude who released 250 copies of some 12", but he had to keep it within a certain realm i think

xpst: My rggtn prchss fr 2007: Wsn Yndl, Cll 13. Wh tk m vwls?

Thnks Fr Th Rggtn

so what's bridge and tunnel house now?

Tiesto-style trance, isn't it?

Thnks Fr Th Rggtn

You're welcome.

my reggaeton-cock is bigger than yours! nyah nyah!

um

Anybody who likes M.I.A. and hasn't even sought out Tego's album is a fuckin' moron.

It's the music-recommendation equivalent of, "Why won't you go out with me, you fuckin' idiot?!"

naw, that's just Ph1l's style. he's all right.

...for a death metal guy (j/k).

If I had liked the previous Tego albums I heard anywhere near as much as I'd like M.I.A., I would have seeked out his new one, maybe. But I didn't.

(Hell, I never even seeked out the new Manu Chao album, and I do probably like him as much as M.I.A. Or at least I have in the past. But I'm lazy.)

Least-discussed (praised or criticized) #1 album ever.

Three old-school-r&b albums by women in the top 33 btw (Sharon Jones, Bettye LaVette, Mavis Staples) -- that may or may not be some kind of record, I'm not sure. (Or four, if you throw in Amy Winehouse.) Somebody should speculate on what this might mean.

I'm also surprised that Plant/Krauss (#9 -- highest Robert Plant finish ever maybe??), EL-P (#40), Black Lips (#41 -- wow, good for them!), Herbie Hancock (#79, Grammy nomination must have helped), and Bat for Lashes (#80, and a single tied for #34) finished as high as they did, but maybe I just wasn't paying close attention or something. (I also may not have looked very closely at their Idolator finishes.)

"Three old-school-r&b albums by women in the top 33 btw (Sharon Jones, Bettye LaVette, Mavis Staples) -- that may or may not be some kind of record, I'm not sure. (Or four, if you throw in Amy Winehouse.) Somebody should speculate on what this might mean."

Hillary in 08.

god forbid

Ah, I overstate.

El-P got a nice big bump from #64 to the bottom of the top 40 in P&J.

Damn I didn't even know there WAS a new Family Stand album out in 2007. (Bad timing, we were just back from our trip.) That is the most relevant of Greg Tate's essay for me, as I am neither a member of the Black Rock Coalition nor explicitly against said coalition.

i was surprised by that family stand news myself.

While writers, bloggers, or homeless people who play harmonicas on street corners lament the lack of sonic miscegenation, the likes of rappers EL-P, Sage Francis, and Aesop Rock are giving us exactly what's supposedly missing from today's alt-rock: a rainbow of sound. Now we just need some critics with revered egos to write about them.

i get tired just looking at those three names - el,sage,rock. PLEASE TO MAKE NEW ALT RAPPERS. what was trife going on about? some egyptian mystik krewe from philly? i wanna hear new stuff. those olde-tyme boho dudes make me sleepy.

yeah why not just throw in ol' rap-hating buck 65 while yr at it?

he's too good?

"Least-discussed (praised or criticized) #1 album ever."

How about worst?

Maybe not the best ever, but it's a far cry from the worst.

I still think James Murphy has better stuff in him.

I think it ranks amongst the top 5 worst P&J winners ever for sure.

Admittedly, my tastes don't line up with the typical "pazz and jop" (dumb name by the way) voter or pollster.

(dumb name by the way)

Your disapproval is noted.

You can actually disregard that too

Ioannis and jaymc, I'm curious. Who did you vote for?

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/ballots.php?cid=4909

thanks. I'm going to have to hear that Amerie.

Like a lot of modern R&B records, it loses some its magic toward the end of the album, when it's Big Ballad Time. But the first nine or ten songs are pretty fantastic.

"Least-discussed (praised or criticized) #1 album ever."

How about worst?

-- Bill Magill, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:08 PM

Well, I don't think I'd even rank it in the top 10 of 2007 in its genre, but what do I know?

er, not everyone gets to vote in these things, ya know. Anyhow, had I voted, I would have probably gone with M.I.A., Britney, Miranda, Rihanna, Gogol Bordello, etc. Also, x-gau help me, I think I'm succumbing to In Rainbows's charms.

Your x-gau can't help you now.

"Least-discussed (praised or criticized) #1 album ever."

There has been some discussion of the relative greatness or not of Sound of Silver over on the Idolator poll thread.

Oh, the shame of it.

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I think Todd Burns' characterization of rock fans only being down with Justice and SMD this year is pretty accurate, at least in the non-rock critic world. These are the two albums most of my friends owned, and they would never listening to Villalobos, Burial, The Field, etc. I'm not sure they would like the Chromatics/Glass Candy if they heard them, either, even though those artists are slightly more rock-oriented. I don't think Justice and SMD are in the same category as Moby or Fatboy Slim, however.

would never listen....sorry

Haven't heard the Gogol Bordello. I need to check that out, although the descriptions I've read of it don't exactly sound appealing (to me)....

Check out their myspace site:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8377874

i like the idea of justice's music and i liked some of the songs but the sound makes me feel like an old man. that metal on glass on chalkboard screechiness makes my teeth hurt. same with that other justice-like album i got in the mail. that oioioi album.

which doesn't make any sense cuz i can listen to screechy black metal till the cows come home. something about that inthered treble hurts my head. (which is why i could never listen to nu-metal till the cows came home)

Not to deny that there are harsh sounds on the Justice album, but a lot of CDs do that to me - I usually like to turn the treble knob down a notch. (2xVinyl also available on import apparently.)

Some surprising singles stuff:

-- A single by the Liars got 7 votes, and I didn't even know anybody liked them anymore.
-- A single by the Klaxons got 7 votes, and I thought only British people liked them, in 2006
-- Keith Urban's "Stupid Boy" got 5 votes!

I don't have the slightest idea what these 6-vote singles are (like, even what kind of music they would be):

Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip "Thou Shalt Always Kill"

Rabbits "The Plot"

Oops, WHITE Rabbits, I guess. But I am still clueless about them.

Rabbits "The Plot"

^^this is actually a band called white rabbits, and the single is pretty good... soundwise they aren't too far removed from cold war kids, but pretty much way better. i'm surprised that it got that many votes as well

right xp.

they played the song on letterman so maybe ppl saw it there?

as for klaxons, i'm not surprised they showed up with that many votes esp. bcuz they broke later last year and the album wasn't released here until march i think, (esp. when considering that winehouse and peter bjorn and john both placed singles in the top that broke overseas in 2006)

last year meaning 2006 of course

Also, I have no huge love for thing myself (though I think it's okay), but I think "Lazy Eye" by Silversun Pickups deserved better! Only 5 votes -- and that's an alt/indie/whatever single that actually seemed like a single to me. An actual hit, by a band nobody will ever remember for anything else, and I don't remember people hating it or anything. I feel sad for them.

i think silversun pickups are in that weird place where webzines like pitchfork don't like them so they ignore them, blogs are way way past them at this point, and the real mainstream only sees them on the fringe, but i don't think there are many p&j voters who only listen to modern rock radio which is where that gets played a lot

the Silversun Pickups are an interesting case: they're one of the only bands on rock radio that that sound more or less indie (although decidedly more 90s indie than 00s indie) and are on an indie label, but they seem to have just a modern rock radio fanbase, not much crit/online support. their 2nd single is doing almost as well as "Lazy Eye," though, so that's potentially not they only thing they'll be remembered for.

(xpost haha exactly what jordan said)

i actually think "lazy eye" is a great song but i don't necessarily want to hear from them ever again

yeah but they get profiled on fuse and their album is cheap at target, so the next one they do will likely blow the hell up and we'll all be like wha' happen?

^^also they got decent $$ behind them

big mtv/mtv 2 push plus opening for decent bads

"lazy eye" is a great song but i don't necessarily want to hear from them ever again

That's exactly why it should have scored big on the singles list though!! But I get your points...

I agree that the Justice album sounds screechy, but man, that OIOIO album is so chalk-on-blackboard sounding it's kind of intriguing...

bear in mind Silversun Pickups was still one of the only big modern rock hits of '07 that got many P&J votes (only the White Stripes, Against Me and Paramore got more).

also is it just me or are there a lot of "UNKNOWN" label tags on the P&J site for records that were released on big major labels.

ppl lazy

don't you have to fill in the labels yourself?

unrelated, even though i think it's pointless to get into a idolator pop v. pazz & jop argument i will say that idolator's poll is soooo much easier to search

lolololol if you search paramore on the voice's website the second result is the ballot of one al shipley

hoe I measure my dropout status: have listened to #5 and 57.

I don't have the slightest idea what these 6-vote singles are (like, even what kind of music they would be):

Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip "Thou Shalt Always Kill"

like The Streets except better musically and worse lyrically/vocally

sounds rousing

lolololol if you search paramore on the voice's website the second result is the ballot of one al shipley

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:04 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

makes sense, only a dozen people voted for the album or the single, and i'm the only one of them that voted for both.

true

this search thing is driving me crazy

i kind of regret voting for across the board bangers and basically ignoring R&B in my ballot

I had tons of R&B in my singles ballot and not much of it besides "I'm A Flirt" got support from other people (2 other votes for Keyshia and Kelly Rowland, no other votes for Fantasia).

oh no I misspoke, "Let It Go" got several other votes.

ppl lazy

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:01 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

don't you have to fill in the labels yourself?

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I went and researched a bunch of labels for stuff I voted for, and some of them still showed up with UNKNOWN. I think it was just on my tracks list, not on albums.

I'm pretty sure it's more like a tech glitch than P&J info-wranglers not knowing/caring what label put out Beirut

ha tates essay is good

Stats thread: Idolator / Pazz & Jop music-poll collation and stats

Gosh I wish they could have found some room in the "Comments" section for Josh Love and Sean Fennessey.

Also, just about all of them are facile unfunny potshots and/or shallow pre-set "critic" opinions. It was SOOOOOO different back when, y'know, I was in there. THAT shit was DEEP.

xpost The presence of so many retro-R&B things is pretty horrifying to me--it's like P&J voters decided to give Alicia Keys the Grammy three years after everyone else did. It's especially horrifying given the lack of actual R&B in the singles list (only 5 in the top 40 as far as I can see, and two of them are La Winehouse. And one is actually Alicia Keys!), which I think it's fair to say is the sound of pop right now.

That's a fair point, although mainstream R&B has always been, if not a blind spot, then a pretty sketchy territory for critic lists like P&J. I like a lot of radio R&B and barely tolerate Winehouse but I couldn't have expected any other results. And it's not like Alicia Keys being on the poll is anything new, "No One" is at the same spot that "You Don't Know My Name" was 3 years ago, and in 2001 she had a top 10 single and a top 20 album.

Yeah, but "You Don't Know My Name" and "Fallin'" are actually, you know, defensible.

um... "horrifying"?

I just finally looked at my own P&J ballot. 4 of my 10 singles votes were changed to other songs (or, in one case, an album) by the same artists. You know, it's not actually that hard to tabulate a poll without screwing it up...

Some consolidation errors in the published poll:

- 1 stray vote for Myths of the Near Future (should be 9)
- 1 stray vote for Jill Scott (should be 8)
- 1 drunkenly stray vote ("les say fey - lest stay driends") for Les Savy Fav (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote ("S/T") for Shocking Pinks (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote for Caetano Veloso (should be 6)
- 6 votes for Los Campesinos (in three groups of 2)
- 6 votes for Dizzee Rascal's Maths + English (2 as "Maths and English")
- 1 stray vote for Kathy Diamond (should be 4)
- 1 stray vote for Cass McCombs' Dropping the Writ (should be 4)
- 3 separate votes for Motian/Frisell/Lovano's Time and Time Again
- 3 votes for Electric Wizard's Witchcult Today (2 as "Witchcraft Today")
- 1 stray vote for Tommy Womack (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Tyvek (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Sarah Borges (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Jim Ford (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Cave Singers' Invitation Songs (should be 3)
- 2 votes for Behold...the Arctopus!
- 2 votes for Hammer of the Honky-Tonk Gods
- 2 votes for Bone Thugs N Harmony
- 2 votes for Cam'ron
- 2 votes for Chamillionaire (one misspelled "Chamillioaire")
- 2 votes for Dethklok
- 2 votes for DJ Jazzy Jeff
- 2 votes for Great Lake Swimmers (one as "Great Lakes Swimmers")
- 2 votes for Group Inerane (one as "Group Inare")
- 2 votes for Walk Hard
- 2 votes for Moby Grape
- 2 votes for MV and EE with the Golden Road
- 2 votes for Peter Case
- 2 votes for Sigur Ros
- 2 votes for Spiritualaires of Hurtsboro, Alabama
- 2 votes for Tego Calderon
- 2 votes for People Take Warning!
- 3 votes for Vampire Weekend
- 2 votes for Weakerthans
- 2 votes for Eccentric Soul: Twinight's Lunar Rotation
- 1 vote for "Orchestration of Wolves" by Gallows, which I think is supposed to either be "Orchestra of Wolves" by Gallows or "Orchestration of Wolves" by Glos.

Obviously I was only checking albums, not singles.

Look at the reissues list for many of those "lost" votes.

haha whoops wrong poll, sorry

I finally read the comments section of pazz'n'jop because I REALLY miss that format, and godfuckingdamn...

Arcade Fire? The National? Don't tase me, bro.
Reed Fischer
Brooklyn, New York

who the fuck collected this shit

December 12, 2007: Ike Turner dies. If there's a rock 'n' roll heaven, someone's getting hit with a phone right about now.
Serene Dominic
Phoenix, Arizona

Years from now, people will listen to Burial's Untrue and imagine what it was like to be alive in 2007. They'll see hooded-up toughs roaming empty city streets at 3 a.m., kids staring out taxi windows choked up, empty coke bags chalked with residue, a sky as gray as the sidewalk. And they'll hear us, distrusting and deeply feeling, smoking a cigarette in the dark.
Tal Rosenberg
Brooklyn, New York

at least this is funny.

I think I'm over Radiohead. And I think I've been over them since Kid A. And nothing post�OK Computer compares to it. There, I said it. I'd do my Hail Marys or whatever, but I'm Jewish.
Kenny Herzog
Manhattan

Those who don't listen closely hear even more of Kanye's ego-tripping, but Graduation is about how fame, fashion, and girls are fun and all, but really, not that great.
Brandon Soderberg
Forest Hill, Maryland

It was the kinetics of performance that bridged the realms and gave the Everlys' "Gone Gone Gone" an urgency that was passion for each other reflected in full rut.

word.

its possible the full, unedited comments on idolator are even worse, but I'm not gonna go through ballots to find out.

Matos, you still owe Spoon 8 votes. And I checked, and they aren't in reissues...

- 3 votes for Electric Wizard's Witchcult Today (2 as "Witchcraft Today")

Ooops.

The Dean's take.

http://www.najp.org/articles/2008/02/fact-is-one-reason-i-1.html