Noel Gallagher says "NO" to hip hop (at Glastonbury)

We don't really need to do this again.

Where is it? I ctrl+f'd Noel, Gallagher and Glastonbury but nothing came up in new answers?

It's mostly on the other Glasto threads over on ILE, not with a Noel Gallagher angle admittedly.

it's almost as if noel gallagher hates black people.

No, that's Morrissey you're thinking of there

troo

Noel seemed pretty cool with the black dude in Ocean Colour Scene

Glastonbury should be headlined by Blackalicious, they put on a good show at Reading 05.

Noel's dream line up: Dodgy, Thumbs up Macca, 18 Wheeler, Freddie and the Dreamers.

Black and White Minstrels.

Bernard Manning.

Is Noel's point not more along the lines of "who wants to sing along to Jay-Z in a muddy field?" than "lol blacks @ Glasto"?

he's obviously never met the ringtone crew.

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

considering HIS most recent glastonbury performance is roundly regarded as one of the worst in recent memory I'd much rather sing along to songs about bitches than Champagne fucking Supernova again.

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

I'm not sure it necessarily is. Perhaps in Noel's case it might be, but, as someone who has never been to Glastonbury nor wanted to go, but who knows lots of people who have and has a decent understanding of the usual headliners and wider line-up, Jay-Z doesn't strike me as the kind of artist that who'd go down as a legendary headliner. Kanye West probably would - purely on the basis that I think he'd have more songs that typical Glasto goers would recognise than Jay-Z (even if they only recognise the samples!). Suppose Noel G hadn't said it but someone less... working-class-rock-star-nouveaux-riche-establishment-classicist-dullard had. I mean I doubt Jay-Z headlining is the only reason Glasto's not selling out fast this year (awful recent weather trends @ that time, too many festivals, Eavis being an old dick, etc etc). Jay-Z's wife would be a better choice of headliner. Missy Elliott would be. (Oasis wouldn't.)

http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2273384,00.html

emily eavis o_O

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

-- Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:27 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This is the biggest logical flaw in the pro-Jay Z argument though, the idea that he isn't a middle-aged moneyed Tory cunt himself.

tbh jay-z as headliner in 2008 is a pretty rubbish idea, and he hasn't actually sold many records in the UK, but noely-g is still a dick and blatantly means that white stadium rock (i.e. what he does) is what glasto is all about.

(xpost that's OTM. No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously).

Also Dingbod has never actually been to Glastonbury.

No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously

yep

Kanye and the Beasties are the only two rap acts that could currently headline Glastonbury, right?

I have been to Glastonbury. But it was before your time, son (xxp).

What the thrusting Thatcherkids of Glasto 2008 really want are Phil and Kirstie as headlining act.

"[Black music] really was bling," she said. "And he came along, and him and Mary J Blige carried really important messages in songs."

Such a weird quote

What movie is it that has the lines "I'm having my breakfast cooked by a black man"? Is it About Schmidt?

Kanye and the Beasties are the only two rap acts that could currently headline Glastonbury, right?

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, April 14, 2008 11:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

torn between 'MIA' and 'sway' here

also in that article lol @ "curveball".

Willingly agree that the Glastonbury attendees are cunts, but Tories? Really?

Economically the glastonbury crowd may be have changed but not politically imo.

Glastonury headliner 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1G0-ddAiA

When was Jigga's last proper album? i.e. not a soundtrack or Linkin Park collaboration. How many top 40s hits has he had in the UK? He's only a superstar over here because people talk about him like one.

Emily Eavis is trying REALLY HARD to turn Jay-Z into Common for the benefit of the Glasto Greenpeace and veganism crew but it's not going to work.

Predicted headline act for next year: LIVE APPRENTICE

When was Jigga's last proper album? i.e. not a soundtrack or Linkin Park collaboration. How many top 40s hits has he had in the UK? He's only a superstar over here because people talk about him like one.

-- Scik Mouthy, Monday, April 14, 2008 11:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

'06 but it was shit. the one before that was '03 ('the black album').

which was also weak but had probably his best known track among likely glasto attendees.

Perhaps we could list a load of crap aspirational telly and pepper it with the inclusion of a few racists and maybe Boris Johnson. That would be both funny and incisive.

jay-z tracks glasto people will know:

'99 problems'
'hard knock life'
uhhh 'crazy in love'

The rubbish bit of Umbrella.

"[Black music] really was bling," she said. "And he came along, and him and Mary J Blige carried really important messages in songs."

Such a weird quote

-- DJ Mencap, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:43 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

For indie kids yeah, but us true hip-hop heads remember that Jigga got his break in rap kicking verses on Arsonists' early Fondle'Em releases.

jay-z tracks glasto people will know:

'99 problems'
'hard knock life'
uhhh 'crazy in love'

-- banriquit, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:51 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

The rubbish bit of Umbrella.

-- Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:51 (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Jay-Z's live steez is to bring dudes up on stage with him. So if he's playing to a hip-hop crowd, he gets Nas up; R&B crowd his missus; rock crowd, Mike Shinoda. Which means that at Glastonbury he'll probably be rhyming over Atilla the Stockbroker breaks.

Jay Z v. Dreadzone Sound System

The Mutoid Waste Company have expressed "an interest" on the grounds that they too are not all about the bling

Which means that at Glastonbury he'll probably be rhyming over Atilla the Stockbroker breaks.

Atilla has a song called "The Iron Man of Rap" in which he 'raps' over an accordian version of the Iron Man riff about how hip-hoppers should stop the hate or whatevs. So this could really work.

Duffy insists that when it comes to soul music, the colour of an artist's skin is irrelevant.

The chart topper has reacted to claims by Estelle, another number one selling artist, that the British music industry is unwilling to market black artists.

Estelle also claimed the music of Duffy and Brit winner Adele is not genuine soul.

But Duffy told Newsbeat:"If the talent and the desire is there, I don¿t really think it matters what colour you are."

In an interview with the Guardian newspaper, Estelle - currently enjoying chart success with American Boy - attacked the state of the music industry.

She said: "I'm not mad at 'em - but I'm just wondering, how the hell is there not a single black person in the press singing soul?

"Adele ain't soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once and she's got a deeper voice - that don't mean she's soul.

"They keep trying to tell me in the media what soul music is and I'm like, we KNOW what soul music is."

On the subject of how black artists are marketed, Estelle speaks from some experience, having left the UK for America following a brush with success in 2004.

She's since worked with major US artists like Kanye West and John Legend.

But speaking before she performed at London's Royal Albert Hall, Welsh singer Duffy defended British soul, claiming Estelle may not be looking hard enough.

She said: "We don¿t live in the 1950s any more, we're in a multicultural country.

"So no, I think that¿s pretty far from the truth, look around and I think you'll see that it [Black Soul] really does exist."

Musical influences

Duffy admits she's influenced by a wide range of artists.

She said: "I like a lot of obscure stuff. I think the darker and more mysterious and the more unknown something is, the more you can make it your own.

"I like to dig deep into northern soul and motown and blues.

"I saw the Rolling Stones film the other night which was mind blowing and I remembered the first thing I really saw of music was The Rolling Stones on a video tape.

"I was 6 years old, no one told me they had been around since the 60s, so for all I knew they were current.

"I remember seeing it and thinking it was the most important thing I'd ever seen.

"So, they're up there as one of my biggest influences because they married blues and rock and roll."

Duffy's debut album Rockferry spent five weeks at number one in the UK album chart.

Estelle's Shine is a new entry, this week, at number six.

"I think the darker ... something is, the more you can make it your own"

Uh oh, Surmounter isn't gonna be happy :/

I say to Duff Y - bullshit; you grew up liking Westlife and Atomic Kitten and Blue ADMIT IT

"Adele ain't soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once and she's got a deeper voice - that don't mean she's soul.

"They keep trying to tell me in the media what soul music is and I'm like, we KNOW what soul music is."

think they edited this from the original.

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ty is the best mc i'v ever seen in live , better than method , nas , snoop , mos def......... because him he's just a fucking good singer and not a pop star

her thing about the Stones is weird. my intro to them was probably their cover of 'Harlem Shuffle' which i quite liked partly cos of the video - but i already knew and liked Mick Jagger because of 'Dancing In The Street'. hardly 'the most important thing in the world' tho - i would've been thinking that about Duran Duran or Cliff Richard & The Young Ones or 'Love Missile F1-11' at the time i.e. v arbitrary.

why does anyone care about noel gallagher

Because he's been reduced to blowing himself up in Specsavers ads.

why does anyone care about noel gallagher

-- gbx, Monday, 14 April 2008 13:08 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Quite. Also, why did anyone ever care about noel gallagher.

be fair, he was quite good in shed seven

Back then, it was either him or Let Loose. You understand the dilemma.

why does anyone care about noel gallagher

-- gbx, Monday, 14 April 2008 13:08 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

no-one does in the way you're implying, but there are rumours about jay-z pulling out, and we could use gallagher's comments as a springboard for an insightful discussion about race and music of the kind ilm sorely lacks.

Soulja Boy as headline would be awesome, 150,00 chanting "YAHHH TRICK YAHHH" at dusk on a Sunday night.

omg win

oh, didn't you know?

that's happening on the secret stage.

Soulja Boy as headline being played out of an ice cream van near the cowshed would be awesome, 150,00 chanting "YAHHH TRICK YAHHH" at dusk on a Sunday night.

instead of oh-so-amusing games of bollocks being played in the tents it'll be games of 'YAHH TRICK YAHH'.

I might go now just to see if I can make that happen.

facebook petition?

I believe the best you are likely to get is a Pigeon Detectives "ironic" cover version.

the race thing is a red herring. it all comes back to this weird insistence on the headliners being a big deal tho. they surely were not in the past...again maybe BBC coverage changed this.

Maybe it's a big smokescreen and they're really trying to get Michael Jackson.

though Jackson 5 at Glasto '72 would have been the greatest thing ever.

the race thing is a red herring. it all comes back to this weird insistence on the headliners being a big deal tho. they surely were not in the past...again maybe BBC coverage changed this.

-- blueski, Monday, April 14, 2008 3:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

i don't think headliners matter that much, but then the other week i was reminiscing with a friend about how we missed radiohead's seminal saturday night appearance at glastonbury '97 that everyone from thom yorke down says was their best gig ever.

they're not not important.

Of course headliners are important, that's why they're headliners. Also rightly or wrongly headlining Glasto on the Saturday night as been a 'big thing' at least since 1995.

why since '95? what particularly happened then to make the focus on headliners bigger?

oh wait, let me guess...

it's a totally alien mentality to me in the end - like the thousands of people who supposedly didn't buy the NME like they normall would do when Destiny's Child were on the cover etc.

Are the Sunday night main stage headliners still someone with a fraction of the popularity of the Fri/Sat ones like it was In My Day? (Recall Skunk Anansie filling this role one year)

xp

so you should go to a festival, regardless of whether you personally want to hear the artists performing at it, just because you normally would?

(Recall Skunk Anansie filling this role one year)

A baffling decision at the time, even more so with hindsight.

tbh it's in the evenings that you tend to go and see bands play, so headliners have got to mean something.

if i wanted to get stoned in a field etc etc

yes darraghmac! traditionally you don't go to something like glasto because of three big artists being confirmed as headliners. you go because you like music enough to trust that out of hundreds of acts performing there will be stuff you can enjoy.

and if you guys actually ever knew people who've said things like "oh i wasn't going to go to glastonbury until i heard X and Y were headlining" then i'd be surprised. maybe i just knew too many "it's always great, i don't even go to the pyramid stage over the 5 days i'm there" types at college tho.

Oya festival in Norway is far superior to Glasto 2008

http://oyafestivalen.com/pages/eng/8-artists_a-z

Artists
Animal Alpha Norway
A-Trak (US) United States
Buraka Som Sistema (PT) Portugal
Casiokids Norway
Dark Meat (US) United States
Diplo (US) United States Thursday
diskJokke Band Norway
The Dodos (US) United States Thursday
El Cuero Norway
Elephant9 Norway
Fleet Foxes (US) United States Friday
Gerilja Norway
Girl Talk (US) United States Wednesday
Grand Island Norway
Grinderman Wednesday
Health (US) United States
Holy Fuck (CA) Canada
Howl Norway
Ida Maria Norway
Ingrid Olava Norway
Iron & Wine (US) United States Wednesday
Isis (US) United States
Jamie Lidell (UK) United Kingdom
Janelle Monáe (US) United States
José Gonzales (SE) Sweden Wednesday
Kaizers Orchestra Norway Wednesday
Kid Sister and A-Trak (US) United States Friday
Konono No 1 (DRC) Congo, the Democratic Republic of the
Kung Fu Girls Norway
Lama Norway
Lightspeed Champion (UK) United Kingdom
Lykke Li (SE) Sweden
The Mae Shi (US) United States Wednesday
Master Piece Of Cake Norway
Moddi Norway
My Bloody Valentine (IE/UK) Ireland Friday
The National (US) United States Thursday
N.E.R.D. (US) United States Friday
The Night Marchers (US) Norway Saturday
No Age (US) United States Saturday
Okkervil River (US) United States Thursday
Pirate Love Norway
Raga Rockers Norway Saturday
Roger Græsberg & The Anti-Music Bonanza Norway
Sigh & Explode Norway
Sigur Rós (IS) Iceland Thursday
Silje Nes Norway
The Sonics (US) United States Saturday
Sonic Youth (US) United States Thursday
Sunn O))) (US) United States
The Sword (US) Norway
Thom Hell Norway
Tommy Tokyo & Starving For My Gravy Norway
Truls and the Trees Norway
Turboneger performing Apocalypse Dudes Norway Thursday
WE Norway
Yeasayer (US) United States Saturday

i would have gone no matter who was playing, but shit it was the late 90s and everything was great.

One of the brags that Glastonbury always makes is of its eclecticism and the idea that you can see something good at any given point in the day - so the implied idea that Jay-Z might be some sort of pernicious influence, outside of the hour or so he's onstage, is pretty ridiculous even if you hate him and everything to do with him. I guess other people are more hung up on headline slots than me though *shrug*

oh great N.E.R.D. and jamie liddell, thanks djmartian.

xposts

i'm beginning to realise that i don't like music that much at all, I think.

not even afro-celt sound system?

I was looking at the lineup for 1998 a while back, and despite recalling having a pretty fun time (especially considering it was rainy year) and enjoying lots of music, there was a really limited amount of stuff I cared much about then, let alone now

I remember going in 1999 and barely seeing anything the whole weekend. It was then, and should still be, about more than just the lineup on the main stages.

Anyway it became a brand and they probably needed the money hence TV coverage and general big-ism unlike good old '74 days when it was six sheep and the Edgar Broughton Band and you counted yourself lucky I can tell you.

Are Kings Of Leon a Big Deal these days then?

Forget Glasto...the best West Country festival is...

Venn Festival in Bristol

http://www.vennfestival.com/includes/all_page_graphics/front-page.jpg

Steve the Pyramid headliners are less relevant to me (I didn't see any of them last year) but I would still rather see a band I love headline the Pyramid than any of the other stages. But at the same time they're still important to some people and when they're paying £160 for the privilege you can't really blame them for that.

why is afrikan boy in black and none of the others???

xpost

no idea... ask the graphic designer

... if he's a racist.

As an American, I would like to formally apologize for the rubbish that is "Rap".

Talking really fast is not singing. Repeating background music taken from other good songs does not make your song good. I'm sorry anyone here had the misfortune to listen to Jay-Z. Please understand that it's the music "industry" that force-feeds us terrible "artists". We have failed to bring the "industry" to its' knees. I'm sorry.

If you value your respect for music, please skip Glastonbury this year.

Corruptuser, United States

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Steve the Pyramid headliners are less relevant to me (I didn't see any of them last year) but I would still rather see a band I love headline the Pyramid than any of the other stages.

maybe - it never seemed that important to me. pyramid stage had pros and cons (more people = more annoying people etc.)

But at the same time they're still important to some people and when they're paying £160 for the privilege you can't really blame them for that.

but who? fuck these guys! the money thing makes sense - selling it more as 'a big outdoor concert by X, Y and Z...plus some other stuff' somehow more lucrative - like targetting certain chocolate bars at women etc.

it esp. makes sense if Eavis realised food&drink sales over the weekend were down a lot after the superfence and reg-only initiative kicked in. altho i'm not sure who gets what in terms of on-site sales.

What does rap have to do with the Glasto vibe? It's all about 'bling', killing, xenophobia, some homophobia, some slapping 'b*tches' around. Do I really want to pour money into the pockets of someone whose chosen music genre is so repugnant to me? I think not. I never thought I'd say it, but I agree with Noel Gallagher!

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Glastonbury is primarily a music festival. The last time I checked, Hip Hop is most definitely not music. Hip Hop artists do not sing or play their own instruments. They just shout over bits of other peoples tracks. Ever wondered why they do this?? Because they don't have the know-how or talent to produce their own stuff! And no, I'm not middle aged - I'm in my twenties.

stop the world I want to get off

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forget Glasto ..goto Birmingham for...

Supersonic 08
http://capsule.org.uk/Assets/Images/Supersonic/supersonic_web3.jpg

Rap music? Better put a C at the start of that!

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djmartian do you go to any of these festival yourself?

As a brit you`re apology is accepted and likewise let me as a brit apologise to my american friends for the Spice Girls. There we go, we DO have a lot in common.

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presumably posting from 1996

Something tells me we could be here for a while doing this

How dare Kanya King criticise Noel Gallagher for wanting to safeguard the traditions of what is essentially an indie-based festival? There is no greater exclusionist and closed-off institution in the whole of the music industry than the Music Of Black Origin Awards, which she herself originated. To then berate others for not embracing diverse music from areas beyond what they would normally lsiten to is the most outrageous hypocrisy!

Melanie, Newcastle-Under-Lyme

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^^^winner

Fell off since she did "Brand New Key"

</marcello>

What does rap have to do with the Glasto vibe? It's all about 'bling', killing, xenophobia, some homophobia, some slapping 'b*tches' around.

whereas (c)rap music is all veganism, 'consiousness-raising' and backpacks amirite.

lol @ "traditions of what is essentially an indie=based festival"

It's obviously pretty lol but I guess that for the last decade you could go there and watch 12 straight hours of indie every day, and that plenty of people probably do

I'm still waiting for a comment that I didn't write.

guardian powerblogger dan hancox weighs in with the BNP comparisons:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/04/gallagher_knows_nothing_about.html

And, without deigning to link to them, it is worth mentioning that the BNP's message board members are pretty pleased about Gallagher's ill-informed rant.

why not grow a pair, hancox. either 'deign' or don't; how is it 'worth mentioning' if you're not linking the two things?

But the Jigga Man is perfect for a Glasto headline slot and makes much more sense than wheeling out another tired performance from Gallagher's troupe. Measuring record sales as proof of an artist's value is a dubious pursuit, but there's no contest if you pit Jay-Z's global pop cultural clout against that of Oasis. One of them is a superstar with oceans of hits and a great live persona, ideal for the Pyramid Stage

oceans of hits, that last half-decade in full:

17 Jay-Z Excuse Me Miss Apr 2003
32 Jay-Z Change Clothes Dec 2003
12 Jay-Z 99 Problems / Dirt Off Your Shoulder May 2004
14 Jay-Z / Linkin Park Numb / Encore Dec 2004
38 Jay-Z Show Me What You Got Dec 2006

Jay-Z's two UK number ones since Oasis' last chart-topper in August 2005, the dreary The Importance of Being Idle, are the Beyonce collaboration Déjà Vu, and Rihanna's Umbrella.

mmm.

And bonus points in the comments for whiteboy bloggers quoting "The Takeover" as if it actually means anything. Word to Tynan DeLong, hold your head up in the penals.

Measuring record sales as proof of an artist's value is a dubious pursuit, but

Eejit

wonder if matt had any luck getting the soulja boy name out on the street.

2 Soulja Boy Tellem Crank That (Soulja Boy) Dec 2007

don't think 'yahh' has charted but this is bigger than any jay-z track.

Fuck it, I'm setting up the Facebook group.

YOUUUUUUUU

Oh my god he hasn't linked to the BNP website oh the craven cowardice!

Anyway, right, focus on the issues that matter aka CRANK DAT TIPI FIELD.

why not grow a pair, hancox. either 'deign' or don't; how is it 'worth mentioning' if you're not linking the two things?

not offering pagerank to BNP forums is not entirely unreasonable.

o shi i didn't get that he meant link in the internet sense; i thought he meant "it would be facile to link noel gallagher's rockism with the bnp". but no, he was actually saying noel gallagher hates black people. wot a tit.

Except he isn't saying that.

http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=17217057081

1,000 members by next week, let's do this.

http://991.com/gallery_180x180/Goldie-Temper-Temper-292770-991.jpg

amirite

In.

haaaaaa

This is important.

I'm expecting all you people to be mass-inviting your friends list asap

i have no idea what any of you are talking about now but that's great

Phil Paterson just joined the group!

that guy is so fucking British

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU

I signed up to the Mondeo Pop group too - I'm probably more useful in that one.

useful is a very relative term.

^^^ zing envy

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Oasis loves black people

they just don't like a guy with an American accent headlining their Pepto or whatever it's called festival

electric guitars are uniquely pastoral

Haven't read the entire thread but to me the issue here isn't really racism but rockism (wanting to keep things guitar-indie).

Stop it.

ILX: "If you don't like hip-hop, you're a racist."

You as well.

LOL

What kind of say does Noel Gallagher have here anyway? I mean, he's right and all that, but why would the Glastonbury arrangers care about one of the acts think about the headliner acts anyway?

What kind of say does Noel Gallagher have here anyway?

?!

I mean, he's right and all that

ah! you had me worried for a minute there, geir.

anyway, in answer: absolutely fucking none, i'd sincerely hope.

I have an impression the audience cares though. But nothing worse will happen than the usual crowd actually coming there, watching a lot of other gigs than the Jay-Z one. And Glastonbury arrangers then realizing Jay-Z may not have been exactly fitting with their target audience.

But no worries. They'll learn.

YES JAY-Z WILL BE PLAYING TO AN EMPTY FIELD AND MICHAEL EAVIS WILL HAVE TO COME ON STAGE AND SHOUT 'YAAH TRICK YAAH!' AND EMILY WILL GO 'CRANK DAT ONE WAY OF LIFE AND THATS YOUR OWN' AND THEY WILL ALL COME FLOODING BACK AND JAY-Z WILL GO HOME AND CRY.

I haven't even been drinking.

The only act I remember enjoying from Live8 was Snoop Dogg. Admittedly he's not Jay Z but he's black. On the other hand Miss Dynamite was shit. GAH I DUNNO WHAT TO THINK.

I'm imagining a world where Subtle or Why? headline Glastonbury.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/16/glastonbury

zoe williams on how it was more underground when run by arabelle churchill or whatever

http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/story/0,,2273861,00.html

Variety is what makes Glastonbury so special. When you allow different kinds of music to co-exist, you get a Radiohead fan turning up for one thing and being seduced by a Fatboy Slim set.

Believe me, I would no more want to sleep in a tent to hear Chamillionaire perform than you - but Jay-Z is a legend.

jesus fuckin christ.

Both of those actually had some good points, but in a framework of really confused out-of-depthness (the second one) and just RONGness (ZW re: Coldplay not being a guitar band what the hell now)

the zoe williams one wasn't that bad on why glasto is seen as different from the others, though her argument was conducted in pretty bad faith. the tickets are expensive, no doubt, but look at what a lot of people -- not just evil middle-class folk -- spend on holidays now. more people than she seems to imagine, if it matters to them that much, can put together the funds for an annual trip to glastonbury.

Personally I'm just surprised no one has gone "look you've already got two fucking guitar bands headlining stop fucking whinging!" but maybe that would be too obvious and against the spirit of such cross-media clusterfucks.

Possibly because that's tantamount to dropping the "sorry Kings of Leon and The Verve, no one gives a shit about you" truth bomb.

also they haven't said "mm, kings of leon, BIG DRAW THERE". seriously, who gives a fuck about KoL at this point?

(the 'who gives a fuck about ver verve?' question is dimilar but distinct -- but seriously though?)

lol xpost

who gives a fuck about KoL at this point?

lol @ implication anyone ever did: they're basically the american datsuns right?

shame jet got overlooked.

Dude Kings of Leon are one of those bands who have shifted truckloads of UK albums without anyone really noticing. Certainly more than Jay-Z, probably more than The Verve in the last ten years (not as many as The Verve in 97 obviously).

But no one's going to get that excited about them, in the same way that no one would give a shit about Jay-Z headlining if he were sandwiched between Radiohead and David Bowie or something.

Two albums straight in at #3, the third one straight in at #1 and then went platinum.

this country

KoL were playing maybe 5,000-size arenas on their last tour I think (no idea if they managed to fill them mind) but I daresay that expecting that to translate to a headline slot at Glastonbury might be a bit optimistic

You people

Dude Kings of Leon are one of those bands who have shifted truckloads of UK albums without anyone really noticing.

Bit like Beautiful South then? ;)

Better comparison would be The Editors, who have somehow become one of the biggest selling bands in the world without anyone at all noticing.

This planet.

do the verve have any new songs/20-minute-long 'jams'?

"Numb/Encore"

i would rather see linkin park dragged onstage for that than -- at a guess -- john squire, liam gallagher, or chris martin for one of the verve's numbers.

Probably as good a place as any for this this sketch
from The Message

LOADS of people were really excited about Kings of Leon when they played just under Razorlight at Leeds last year. I was fucking shocked. People were creaming their pants about them!

Standards really are falling.

Dumb Britain

Or should that be Deaf Britain?

Bankrupt Britain morelike: Trevor McDonald reports

Not from Glasto he won't, if Noel has anything to do with it.

torygraph: we're all popists now

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/04/14/bmnoel114.xml

Instead, I remember the thrill of wandering around hearing sound systems pumping out the latest styles of techno, drum n'bass and trip hop.

trans: I watched Ozric Tentacles and Afro-Celt Sound System.

I'm concerned about this though...

Swells for the win:
http://www.thequietus.com/2008/04/glastonbury-aryan-folk-festival/

AY WORD indeed!!!!

shit is bare lulz:

When was the last time you saw anybody being horrible to a black person at an indie gig? Exactly.

I got bored and just found this out:

Worldwide sales figures for "American Gangster": 1.8 million
Worldwide sales figures for "Don't Believe The Truth": 4.2 million

Worldwide sales for whatever that last Kings of Leon record was?

600,000

"Infinity On High": 2.2 million

"The Black Parade": 2.9 million

Oasis = 2.33 x Jay Z

Well there are five of them.

1933 50 million Germans etc.

Surely not even you're going to stick up for "American Gangster" as an album, Marcy?

Blokey from Heavy Stereo = .0466 x Jay Z

George Mitchell Minstrels - 3 x UK number one albums.
Jay-Z - 0 x UK number one albums.

The choice is obvious.

The acappella version of American Gangster is a sturdy coaster, I'll give it that.

Amy Winehouse's last one? Presumably not headlining because she can't be trusted to...

"Back to Black": 8,000,000

*sudden visions of Amy Winehouse and all her Brit School chums in straw boaters and parasols doing "If You Knew Susie" and "Maizy Doats"*

that Amina Taylor article is really fucking terrible. the Swells one is funny.

The SWells one is fab but the Amina Taylor one is just standard muddled Grauniad gliberalism.

Don't worry Amina, I'm sure there'll be a funny old white guy along to object to racism on your behalf any minute now.

Subtext of Taylor piece: "Don't worry Grauniad readers - deep down I agree with you."

Subtext of SWells piece: none because it's majestic BLAST BLAST DAMN BLAST and if the Left were as good as doing that as the Right and stop bloody QUALIFYING and EXCUSING everything then they wouldn't be in such a pitiful state now.

Haha that Taylor piece has MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED.

Don't worry Amina, I'm sure there'll be a funny old white guy along to object to racism on your behalf any minute now.

-- Matt DC, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:47 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

actual lol

But the Zoe "LOL rich black people shouldn't be allowed to play Glasto (unlike flat broke hippy stragglers like Gallagher Bros)" piece is still up for our minor amusement.

The temple of eclectic delights which stretches from Radiohead to Fatboy Slim.

Nice also to hear the nightly anti-Jay Z remarks on Radio 2 by ex-Skrewdriver roadie and self-confessed ex-NF member Mark Radcliffe.

Haha that Taylor piece has MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED.

-- Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 14:00 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

So much drama in the industry...

amina t's piece is still there surely:

http://music.guardian.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury2008/story/0,,2273855,00.html

I remember the pre-LBZC days when any discussion of Swells here would be like 90% relentless pile-on

What you mean, all that "LOL @ public schoolboy pretending to be working class skinhead" stuff?

i've always been pro-swells

Enriquit likes man from 90s, story at 10.

Whereas I've always LOLed @ him being a public schoolboy pretending to be a working class skinhead

You mean this sort of pre-LBZC pile-on?

pretending to be a working class skinhead

is he though?

Swells is about as authentically working class as, say, Alexa Chung

the lbzc is a broad church

lol fattey

what you've done there is confuse a guy mouthing strident left-wing politics with a guy claiming to be working-class.

xpost OR IS IT?

No confusion on my part

WHO IS THE REAL CRAZY PERSON, THE WOMAN, WITH A CONFUSINGLY AGED SON AND A STRING OF DECEPTIVE ONLINE RELATIONSHIPS, OR US, WITH OUR SARCASTIC MESSAGE BOARD POSTS AND SELF-SATISFACTION

-- That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 11:57 (6 months ago) Bookmark Link

Can't you think that Swells is both a public school boy pretending to be a skinhead (lol etc.) and also a pretty entertaining writer who sometimes hits the nail on the head?

never seen swells pretend to be working-class. of course, he doesn't make much of being a public schooly, but that's not unusual among nme writers...

Can't you think that Swells is both a public school boy pretending to be a skinhead (lol etc.) and also a pretty entertaining writer who sometimes hits the nail on the head?

-- Neil S, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 14:44 (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^how Nazi Germany started

Can't you think that Swells is both a public school boy pretending to be a skinhead (lol etc.) and also a pretty entertaining writer who sometimes hits the nail on the head?

Yes. If I ever read any of his stuff. Who does he write for?

Bizarre!

The Guardian, probably some other publications I've been fired from as well.

are yall talking about big jim swells?

Dunno if he ever wrote for Powerslam

Big Steve Wells: keep on truckin'

That Quietus thing linked to above is a pretty new site, but he seems to be on there fairly regularly.

What about this?

http://www.powertorque.com.au/covers/1.jpg

wtf

Yeah, I did a review of Navistar's New Lonestar. I gave it 3 torques out of 5.

I thought he was some 80s/90s guy, didn't know he was still well known, bit like Everett True

Circulation goes down every time they put a person on the cover. FACT!

Good to know where Matt freelances these days.

I thought he was some 80s/90s guy, didn't know he was still well known, bit like Everett True

-- Tom D., Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:50 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

ouch!

Oh come on. Everett True isn't well known.

[Chorus - (Scratched)]
(I am in fact, unbelivable)
The name's Obie Trice, the well known asshole
(I be what I wanna, shut yer fuckin' mouth child child)

An 80s guy, yesterday:
http://www.geocities.com/zoidberg_fan/episodes/images/that_guy.gif

That wasn't even supposed to be a zing!

Plan B should have one of those things you get in the middle of greetings cards, so when you open every page you get a midi of "The Safety Dance"

This place just ain't for me. Adios, amigos.

Most of Swells' gig reviews could have been condensed into this sentence

Did you know Everett True once met Kurt Cobain?

swells and johnny cigarettes are the proto-lbzc really.

^ban

I thought it was Al Gore who discovered Nirvana

http://www.georgeskaufman.com/fotos/169peque_caricature-wits-end.jpg

Original LBZC crew

6 appears to be Play of Kid-N- fame.

Henry 'Wise' Miller -- holy shit

self-confessed ex-NF member Mark Radcliffe.

citation pls?

17 = Louis J

I dont remember the swells article when eavis said he wouldnt allow metal bands to play glastonbury

maybe that's because hating metal isn't racist, but plain common sense.

He had the option to book Slipknot and turned them down because he "didn't want all that anger and negativity coming from the stage". Then booked Nine Inch Nails to headline the Other Stage.

tired old meme but hman = captain save a metal

Eavis is a metal purist who says NIN aren't metal because they have keyboards and samplers obviously.

It's in his autobiography (xxxxxxp).

i think i complained when Eavis booked Mis-Teeq for the Dance tent in 2002. And I don't recall anyone accusing MEEEEE of racism.

I started this thread; do I get a prize?

maybe that's because hating metal isn't racist, but plain common sense.

-- banriquit, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:09 (9 minutes ago)

Only if you're Geir.

I'm surprised Geir doesn't like metal

It's not melodic enough for him.

But apart from that, it's almost the ideal genre for him

White, you mean?

Why would he listen to metal when there is PROG?

Norwegian

I believe he is incline towards the melodics metallics like "Every Rose Has Willie Thorne" by the Poisons.

He doesnt even like prog metal

then again disliking Dream Theater is a good sign

this has taken a turn for the aspie

telling observation

a total farce...the worst glastonbury line up ever...blunt, shakin stevens, john mayer, panic at the disco, the wombats, newton faulkner,
the hoosiers

emily eavis obviously reads Q and enjoys listening to Virgin Radio. This is why glastonbury 08 is a laughing stock...

The Guardian
http://music.guardian.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury2008/story/0,,2276768,00.html

Last night, Emily Eavis, who runs the festival with her father, Michael, said they were proud to have come up with such a varied and different bill.

"We think that we've got probably the most diverse lineup that we've ever had," she said. "It's very eclectic and we're really over the moon about it to be honest. It represents so much music across the board. The John Peel stage represents most or all of what's been going on in British music over the last year."

Eavis said that she and her father had "a really good sense of what festivalgoers are after", adding: "The consensus seems to be that there is something for everyone."

THE LINE UP IN FULL

Friday, June 27

Pyramid Stage
Kings Of Leon
The Fratellis
Editors
The Gossip
The Feeling
KT Tunstall
Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly
The Subways
Kate Nash

Other Stage
Panic At The Disco
The Enemy
We Are Scientists
Foals
The Hoosiers
Ben Folds
Joe Lean And The Jing Jang Jong
Vampire Weekend
Hilltop Hoods

John Peel Stage
Jamie T
The Cribs
Reverend And The Makers
MGMT
The Ting Tings
Young Knives
LIghtspeed Champion
Glasvegas

Saturday, June 28

Pyramid Stage
Jay-Z
Very Special Guest TBC
Manu Chao
The Raconteurs
James Blunt
Crowded House
Seasick Steve
The Hold Steady
Shakin' Stevens

Other Stage
Massive Attack
Hot Chip
Elbow
Duffy
The Wombats
Neon Neon
Black Kids
The Golden Silvers
The Travelling Band

John Peel Stage
Biffy Clyro
The Futureheads
Band Of Horses
The Courteneers/The Black Keys
Vampire Weekend
The Teenagers

Sunday, June 29

Pyramid Stage
The Verve
Leonard Cohen
Goldfrapp
Very Special Guest TBC
John Mayer
Gilbert O' Sullivan

Other Stage
Groove Armada
The Zutons
The Pigeon Detectives
Mark Ronson
Scouting For Girls
Jack Penate
Newton Faulkner
Black Mountain
Hoodoo Gurus

John Peel Stage
The National
Spiritualized
Crystal Castles
Brian Jonestown Massacre
The Stars
The Courteneers/The Black Keys
Rocket Summer

Fans slam 'bland' Glastonbury line-up
http://www.metro.co.uk/metrolife/music/article.html?in_article_id=145189&in_page_id=25

renamed: Blandobury 08

Can't find anyone to support Jay-Z then?

The Hoodoo Gurus?!??!?!?!

I want to see a Leonard Cohen/John Cale/Shakin' Stevens/Gilbert O'Sullivan supergroup.

The Hoodoo Gurus?!??!?!?! - OZ rawk band popular in the mid 1980s

Blimey. I'm so fucking glad I didn't bother trying to go this year.

The Hoodoo Gurus 1st album's not bad. Don't care for anything much after that though.

truly dreadful
.. no doubt the weather for this one will be gorgeous thus allowing all the BBC onsiters to constantly announce the return of the all important Glastonbury spirit, but jeez loiuse, thats one awful line up.

In 1987? at Reading Festival the crowd turned on some of the artists and the following year the festival changed.

Can you see the crowd turning on Kings of Leon, Blunt, The Hoosiers, The Feeling, Netwton F....

Blunt...you're beautiful comes a mass chant you're bland

KT Tunstall halfway down the bill following flop second album = FOR THE CHOP (esp. as Amy MacDonald is now officially KT Tunstall so to speak).

The Hoodoo Gurus?!??!?!?! - OZ rawk band popular in the mid 1980s

I know who they are which is why I was incredulous that they were playing 'Glasto' in 2008.

Michael Eavis at the start of April said this would be the best Glasto line up EVER ! the deluded out of touch old fool

The only thing which would get me going there would be if Jay-Z's support act were a reformed Pavement and they came on and did the Slack Album together.

The thing is, Jay-z will be blamed if it turns out its the worst Glasto ever instead of the other dire acts.

This is definitely the worst Glastonbury line up that I can remember. I have been aware of Glastonbury since 1985.

I dunno, I'm reserving my judgement until they announce Bodyrockers and The Egg for the dance tent

Simple Minds have headlined before havent they? So there must be a few lineups that were stinkers in the 1980s

not if that was before 1985

Re. Glasto '85:

Now on an enlarged site due to the purchase of 100 acres from Cockmill Farm, the licenced attendance is increased to 40,000.

Acts include: Roger Chapman, The Boomtown Rats, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Pogues, Ian Dury, Aswad, Hugh Masekela, Working Week, James, The Men They Couldn't Hang, Microdisney, Joe Cocker and The Style Council.

lol I have seen The Egg at Glastonbury. In a field tho, not the dance tent.

But Rosie reckons it'll be great!

Then: in 1985 Glasto was only attended by 40,000 and
Glastonbury was a CND fund raiser

now in the 00s there are superfences and mainstream media coverage in the redtops

you can't compare the early 80s and late 00s.

Glasto history
http://www.new-age.co.uk/glastonbury-festival-history.htm

1979 Extended to 3 day event and theatre performers joined the musical acts. Peter Gabriel, Steve Hillage, Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Genesis, Leyton Buzzards, Nona Hendryx and Tom Robinson - entry was £5 and 12,000 attended. Profits to UN Year of the Child, despite large financial loss.

1981 Glastonbury Festival is now a CND fund raiser - new permanent Pyramid Stage which doubles as a cow shed and Theatre tent - New Order, Aswad, Roy Harper, Supercharge, Hawkwind, Judy Tzuke, Thompson Twins, John Cooper Clarke - £8 entrance for the 18,000,
£20,000 raised for CND

1982 - Jackson Browne, Richie Havens, Van Morrison, Aswad, Roy Harper, Judy Tzuke, Alexei Sayle in Theatre - £8 entrance for 25,000.Muddy.

1983 Due to local Government Act Glastonbury Festival requires a public entertainment licence. Radio Avalon hits the airwaves - Marillion, UB40, Curtis Mayfield, Fun Boy Three, The Beat, The Chieftains, Melanie, Alexei Sayle - £12 for 30,000. Profits to CND and local charities.

1984 Now an annual event - first Green Field introduced - The Waterboys, Ian Dury, Elvis Costello, Fairport Convention, Howard Jones, Joan Baez, Billy Bragg, The Smiths, Paddy Ashdown and Bruce Kent are speakers - entry £13 and 35,000 attended. £60,000 to CND.

1985 Festival site has grown 100 acres - Joe Cocker, Aswad, Roger Chapman, Boomtown Rats, James, The Pogues, Ian Dury, The Style Council, Echo and the Bunnymen - £16 for 40,000. £100,000 raised for charity. Muddy.

1986 Classical tent added - The Cure, Madness, Simply Red, The Pogues, Level 42, The Psychedelic Furs, The Go-Betweens, The Housemartins, The Waterboys, Billy Bragg - £17 entrance for 60,000.
£130,000 raised for CND and local charities.

losing my shit here

Rosie Swash - where did they find her? never heard of her before

Some of the european festivals have great line-ups. Glastonbury is now as much the best festival in the world as the premiership is the best league in the world.

She's the one that isn't Jude Rogers

xp

re: Some of the european festivals have great line-ups.

Øya festival in Oslo
http://oyafestivalen.com/pages/eng/8-artists_a-z

Rosie Swash
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/arts/author/rosie_swash/profile.html

Rosie Swash began her career at the now defunct London magazine Good For Nothing in summer 2005. After the magazine folded later that year, she began working for the Observer Music Monthly and still writes for them on occasion. Rosie currently writes for Guardian Unlimited Music, as well as the odd bit for Dummy magazine. She also has her own blog, which attracts alot of spam and the occasional conspriacy theorist and every now and then, a genuine reader. Her favourite song is Television's Marquee Moon.

she is my favourite guardian music writer, by default.

Rosie Swash was told to buy the best of British produce but she bought a bleeding big lump of processed cheese out the bloody duty free shop. She hadn't got a bloody clue. She was fired.

Never thought I'd feel compelled to defend the Premiership round these parts, but...

(several xposts)

If Glastonbury was a football league club they would be... Cheltenham

Øya is sort of an underground thing, really. But Roskilde has usually been just as leading as Glastonbury anyway, even though my UK bias makes me like Glastonbury's lineup because of that.

The Premiership currently is the best league in the world though. ;)

If Geir Hongro were a football league club he would be...Sheffield United.

Nah he would be Everton

Geir - what is the English football club that you support?

Tenner on Man Utd.

They certainly are one of the more melodics of football clubs.

I think he's touched on his Man U fandom on here before?

Nah he would be Everton

-- Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 13:16 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

The last English league club to field a black player, yes?

You're forgetting Dixie Dean.

Dixie Dean wasn't actually black though, he just looked like he was.

lol groundhog day

what happened to neil diamond?

Still alive last I checked boom boom

I'm glad someone got the joke. *High Fives Dom*

last year michael eavis said there too many 30 / 40 somethings at glasto and he wanted to the attract the youth

why then has he increased the blando quota of virgin radio friendly mainstream artists?

has he even BEEN to the hawley arms?

Presumably he consulted his accountant in the interim.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6893/everbotub5.jpg

Glastonbury says no to Floyd action.

Guardian column goes lol zing to other columns?

Rosie Swash really is missing her true calling of writing for London Lite. Or fucking off and not writing anything ever anywhere again.

wheres that quote from emily eavis saying something like 'rap and r&b was just about bling and money before people like jay-z and mary j blige came on the scene'?

http://music.guardian.co.uk/festivals/glastonbury2008/story/0,,2273456,00.html

haha.

This is the equivalent of Jeff Bridges going rock and roll PHEW and then raving on about Stephen Bishop or whoever it was.

even worse she says "[Black music] really was bling"

[Black music]

Swash's idea of [black music]: Duffy.

"[Black music] really was [trolling deleted]"

Of course, you're never alone with a Noel.

actually, swash likes lupe fiasco because he makes socially redeeming rap music.

i just like the idea of all black music being stuck in disgusting bling hell until jay-z arrived. that money cash hoes song he did changed a lot of peoples lives.

The article Dingbod links to is the worst thing I've ever read in my entire life! Good grief!

Maconie on bling culture:

"Bling? What was that all about? Eh? Eh? Did one of those rappers perchance make a typing error on their Our Price shopping list when he intended to covertly purchase several discs by the veteran golf-playing behatted Val Doonican-inventing Road To Little Drummer Boy With David Bowie crooner? I mean, that's not exactly the route to 'street cred,' is it? Can you imagine that 50 Cent sauntering through Hexham of a gaunt Sunday morn with a diamond-patterned jumper and a homely whistle? That's not exactly the fast road to Cristal and a night out with Naomi Campbell, is it? Anyway, what's that Cristal business all about? What's wrong with a perfectly good bottle of cheeky Vimto? Eh? Eh?"

ehhhh so 'yahh trick yahh' didn't chart, according to everyhit. another step in our nation's terminal decline.

Fuck this country, imho

It lacks the tequila soaked barbed wire at the crossroads of the Fleet Foxes.

The Fleet Foxes sound like the worst hockey team in Hampshire.

ROFFLES

lololol

fucking win.

jay z was fucking awesome

the 'a milli' freestyle!!!

thought 'wonderwall' wasn't mocking enough - i had forgotten what a dreadful dirge it is, why were people singing along?? - but it was slamming after that, when he suddenly dropped 'can i get a...' (favourite jay-z joint 4eva) (joint w/ 'big pimpin' obv) i was so happy.

oh no actually it's 'is that yo bitch'

i thought it was cool that "wonderwall" wasn't mocking. for one it would've just made him seem like a butthurt 10 year old over the whole thing. doing it cheerily was a kind of a "taking it in stride" thing (not to mention it helped him get the crowd behind on his side) and in a way showed he was above the sniping way noel gallagher does things. and then going right into "99 problems" was brilliant and says more about the whole thing than anyone needs to.

he did do it in his "lol white people" singing voice though

also it's too bad "i've got 99 problems but a washed-up crackhead with a unibrow aint one"

maybe that would've been seen as a shot at amy winehouse actually...

too bad about those american gangster tracks though...

Like most people, if it wasn't for shitty remix albums I'd have completely forgotten "American Gangster" ever existed.

Oh no, wait, there was the video trailer for the full video for the first single.

Blue... something. Steel?

i love when they pan across the crowd and you see these ppl in the front row who rushed the stage at 5 am or whatever so they could get a front row look at kate nash and are now trapped 6 ft away from jay and look like they'd be happier if he'd just pull out a gun and shoot them

Footage from a different angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DBa7VtsnWI

j0rdan otm

the funny thing is that Jay-Z is almost as good a singer as Noel Gallegher

lol

99 problems but britishes ain't one

The comments on those youtube links show what a bunch of numbnuts most Oasis fans are.

hurray for iplayer. just watched it.
damn, that was good.

From the bits and bobs I've seen, it looked as though Jigga turned in a great performance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7480596.stm

What's beef? Beef is Richard Ashcroft zinging Keane.

"thought 'wonderwall' wasn't mocking enough"

OTM.

i didnt think the set was all that. a live band for hip hop is cool but half the time it doesnt sound nearly as good as the records cos theyre all about production.

saw a bit of the verve on bbc 2 last night. they looked like they could barely be bothered.

jay-z still did a pretty average set i think (everyone seems to just be praising him for symbolic rather than musical reasons), but then that seemed to be keeping with the standards of the entire weekend.

"The Drugs Don't Work" is worse than anything Keane have ever done. Mad Rick should STFU.

"A shout out to Jay-Z for putting in a big performance last night," Ashcroft said.

"But tonight it's rock 'n' roll."

SNORE

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3556260

Every post a classic in here

Am I the only person who felt that Wonderwall was sufficiently mocking?

loved the "british" rap - anybody have the lyrics to that? and the extended, acapella bush dis

also the actual acapella freestyle that he pulled off - he wasn't quite at the top of his game but massive respect to anybody doing a coherent, comprehensible freestyle off the top of his head in front of hundreds of thousands of people with no backing track!!

London Bridges are falling down
Not bridges, but britches when Jigga’s in town
Ladies show me your knickers
I might let you kick it if you don’t tell the Mrs.
Quick, run before the tabloids come
Run from the night, but we end up in The Sun
I’m just takin the piss
Unless you gonna do it

Old Nelly, I know I’m so Makaveli
Bring two-pack of condoms when you come to the telly
Tell me, if this is true
If diamonds are a girl’s best friend, my crew,
Would like to an extend an invitation to you
We’d like to invite you to our family…
Jewellery I mean, because my jewels currently are being guarded by the Queen

i dont think it was a freestyle.

So he collated all the jokes from the episode of Friends set in London and made them into a verse?

DiS forumchat is solid gold for fans of bad faith and hypocrisy.

DiS forum chat makes me proud to have written there.

But, you know, the hits off that is what makes them their money.

Then the mad cash they make off ads for Minis etc goes to you, Nick, eh.

Oh without a doubt. (I mean the mad hits of eejits gets the hits to get Mini adverts, obv.)

Fake DiS forum thread. Nobody claimed that Why? would have made a better headline act.

"So he collated all the jokes from the episode of Friends set in London and made them into a verse?"

basically.

I’m just takin the piss
Unless you gonna do it

^^^ had forgotten this passanino-esque meme-coinage attempt.

Dizzee Rascal's next US freestyle should just be him going "Yeehaw" for fifteen minutes.

titch the UK rap upthread was not a freestyle - obviously - since he repeated the whole thing immediately after!! - but about 5 minutes before he DID freestyle. were you watching?

the freestyle with the (lame) obama/bush lines?

i dont think that was off the top either...

he had a big pic of bush on the screen behind him while he did it, though i guess his visuals guy may have been doing it 'from the top of his dome'.

i love it when the artist and visuals guy are in sync.

no, the "a billi, a milli" freestyle - god you people are miserable

What, did Jay Z just channel J.Rotten?

i dont think 'a billi' was off the dome either - hasnt thats been doing the rounds for a bit? far as i know, jay-z never freestyles in the improv sense.. he just pretends.

He's the Eddie Izzard of rap.

Except not as masculine.

"thought 'wonderwall' wasn't mocking enough"

True, but maybe he was just showing us how bloody easy Wonderwall is to sing. I'd like to see Noel Gallagher do a passable Jay-Z number.

just cos its easy to sing doesnt mean its not a good song.

TRUTH BOMB

his swagger juice was dripping.

I'd like to see Noel Gallagher do a passable Jay-Z number.

I'd like to see this too! The thought of Noel Gallagher rapping is a funny one!

It's a hard knock liiiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyfffffff

That Westwood article is awesome. I love him.

does westwood actually talk like that?

Ever since he started hosting Pimp My Ride UK, he has.

Probably second only to Motson when it comes to embarassing sinkage into self-parody on the BBC.

I can't tell from the article whether it's Tim Jonze parodying Tim Westwood or just straight quotes from the man himself. Which tells you something.

Shame Westwood omitted the time he was Audley Harrison's hype man. "THE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT... CONTENDER... YES!" I think this may have been at the start of Audley's "Who booed? Who heard a boo?" phase.

"I need a shower dog!"

Before jiei Z provides the index to Glastonbury of the Friday night, I radio spoke to him for 1 and 1Xtra. That feeling was like the boxer before he walks in the ring. I had known the small-numbered boxer of my time, I had known Watson and deivuitsudo Haye Michael, title fights, as for jiei before being like the boxer which uses the glitter of that eye as for me it is in the dressing room. He concentrated, loosened, as for him being convinced, that foppery the juice had dripped. And I us 3 hours which were passed you and have done the fact that it is substance in Noel Gallagher where the radio becomes ruinous. Insanity like the thing which you speak I do not think probably will face with. 3 hours. I think that child unfortunately in the school. jiei insanity was to speak. My insanity, I spoke the insanity of the lunatic. There was Zane Lowe there, - he insanity was not to speak. Sell completely. But that is good completely. jiei is soft when him it does not become enlivened with fightdown with the stage it probably will hit a little. The person of this game of us, we new energy prosper in us who are given with that of that. When it comes from beginning, that kind of fightdown is concentrated, obtains exactly at the place the right. As for that perhaps, - perhaps that word other method it went, it was the call which again gets together to the people. 50 cents were bottled with book-reading. But jiei crashed to that. With 11pm of the Friday night, we rose on our tracks/trucks, like 140,000 were visible there. The cat really their hearts, lost the person! Like life it was that, celebration festival had formed meaning. The stage of energy and excitation, the quantity, and that charisma, that was when defining jieigemu. And Noel energy, gave the person to everyone. When coming out due to that guitar where jiei does Wonderworld, that was urged. As for me there was this game of 20 years, many times met to jiei. We put in place him for the first time in the thanking/apologizing meat festival of Notting, Hill did that unprecedented show with Hammersmith Palais. I the New York hippodrome, met to him of being crowded in the summer, anywhere. With history of the hip hop, as for this when defining, it was new day here where that it is. As for me it has not never done before in Glastonbury. Did I how find that? I do not think probably will face with. I to be arrival, because the �� it came to the taxi in me, the window, was a door which tightens, the hearty welcome of exclusive VIP was enjoyed and the behind scene came, the free food ate, and meeting to jiei Z of luxurious behind scene area next with the behind scene went. As for me running with the box new sneaker, as for those even now it is the mud freely. I did not experience that really. When I enter, I shook the bit, was. I saw nothing which is that way of my life. That was cultural impact, but the cat when being pleasant, seems that is passed. 4 days you camp, only. I need the shower dog! Comfortable bed. And the people who are sleep. Something any other things and rose with interview of jiei Z. We had expressed next black president, we had expressed the hip hop and cultural influence. What which I remove from these serious problems it was the question which he places on me in the edge. If as for him said, I have attached to the body, if the shoes of the wallaby, or I have attached Clarks, to the body, the Japanese sneaker?”. Perhaps, “did not have I answering and, I after that was tormented. And what the intellectual tsu �� it is? I him should go with wallaby and Clarks, but you think of that he chooses the sneaker. Perhaps that it is the call which that 1 go you are wrong.

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3556260

Every post a classic in here

-- DJ Mencap, Monday, 30 June 2008 09:54 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Dom please tell me you wrote that post for lulz, and that there isn't anybody that stupid out there really.

I thought the jay-z performance was pretty great, myself.

"And I'm gonna be real with you, we spent three hours on the radio mangling Noel Gallagher."

so they spent three hours chatting shit about noel yet jay-z couldnt muster one line about him at the actual show? not a good look.

jordan was otm, it would have been super-lame to do more than he did on that score.

loved the ac/dc sample on 99 probs

I can't tell from the article whether it's Tim Jonze parodying Tim Westwood or just straight quotes from the man himself. Which tells you something.

^^^this

Question: for Guardian readers, is Westwood the Andy Murray to Peel's Henman?

But it's all good. Jay would have hit that stage a little softer if he wasn't energised by the fightdown. Us guys in this game, we thrive on that, it gives us a new energy. When you've come from the bottom up, that sort of fightdown just gets you focused and in the right place.

So says Tim "boom boom" Jonzewood...

Do all Grauniad readers vote B*P on the quiet?

Not a piss bottle in sight. Jay-Z picked up Glastonbury in the palm of his hand and fucking rocked it, right from the word go. The crowd reaction right from the word go was pretty incredible. Also, respect to him for doing the whole thing without a single guest star.

The whole weekend was fucking brilliant, will post about it on another thread in more detail. Forgot how incredible a place Glastonbury is in the sunshine.

i thought it was cool that "wonderwall" wasn't mocking.

um...is it possible for anyone to do a version of "wonderwall" that isn't mocking?

it's like saying, "they covered 'afternoon delight' as a serious homage."

I think this guy's version was perfectly serious:

http://www.mikeflowers.co.uk/scrapbook/melody2.gif

urgh

Mike Flowers!

Remember the teaser ads for "LeisureLand" ?

I felt that I had to do something musicially worthwhile and artistically substantial rather than just grinding out this silly novelty music. A light came on in my head. I had to prove to myself that I could be something more than “pop oddball” Mike Flowers.

Leisureland was to be a highly ambitious several-CD concept album along the lines of Jeff Wayne’s ‘War Of The Worlds’ - so I locked myself away in Plum Lodge’s studio annexe and started writing the story and songs for my ‘poperetta’, as I called it.

One rather thick script, several songs and twice as many months later it suddenly dawned on me that…
a) it was rubbish, and
b) “pop oddball” is okay after all.

After abandoning "Leisureland" I recorded a version of Orbital’s "Chime" and other pieces for the Lo Recordings label, had the late Sacha Distel over at the studio to record “Can’t Take My Eyes Off You” (yet to be released), recorded a version of ‘Joe Le Taxi’ especially for Jean Paul Gaultier and was asked to rework Future Sound of London’s “Little Miss Divinity” (also yet to be released).

TS: Oasis' version of Wonderwall v. Mike Flowers'.

I say neither.

this was a good and proper sonning btw

Next year: Scooter to headline on Saturday, Ricky Wilson says NO to Happy Hardcore at Glasto

Ricky Wilson says oh never mind...

thought 'wonderwall' wasn't mocking enough

How could it possibly have been more mocking? Without involving Jay-Z relieving himself on a burning effigy of Noel, that is.

Overall I found it very lol, although I find the subtext of it all, that Noel Gallagher's nasty comments on anything are worth making a big deal of, very saddening.

Also I have found that the majority of live performances of Wonderwall seem to be pisstakes of Oasis y/n?

the majority of live performances of Wonderwall seem to be pisstakes of Oasis

Including those actually performed by Oasis...

xpost

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could hear ridicule anymore.

Overall I found it very lol, although I find the subtext of it all, that Noel Gallagher's nasty comments on anything are worth making a big deal of, very saddening.

I have to say that I agree with this. Jay-Z made his point without letting it take over his set. However I think it would have been better for him to have ignored NG's comments and not made any reference to them at all. But then like the rest of the UK I've heard a lot more of NG's out-of-touch statements.

Overall I found it very lol, although I find the subtext of it all, that Noel Gallagher Nas's nasty comments on anything are worth making a big deal of, very saddening.

nah if me didn't mention it at all he would've seemed either incredible naive or kind of cowardly instead of "above it all"

sarcastic performance of "wonderwall"->"99 problems"= perfect response

he didn't mention it

ill get he coat

BEST GLASTONBURY EVAH!

well, not really.

but: mud + sunshine = girls rockin' the short shorts and wellies look

lol at dude's getting butthurt over Noel G's zinginess

I mean this is his schtick, he does an interview three times a year and he runs down his Statler and Waldorf routine. Usually it's with people who are actually selling records, like Bloc Party or The Editors, but he made a deviation this year for Jay-Z. Dude should be honoured.

Usually it's with people who are actually selling records, like Bloc Party or The Editors, but he made a deviation this year for Jay-Z. Dude should be honoured.

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, June 30, 2008 2:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

what a bizarre little country you live in

Yeah, I don't get why artists that repeatedly tour the UK, appear on UK TV and radio shows, and do UK media work would sell more records than someone who's seen less in Albion than dental floss.

if tracer's still reading this, a billi isnt a freestyle it came out a few weeks (or maybe a month?)ago

pretty sure bloc party could do the same here in the states and still not outsell jayz

sorry, this is the wrong thread for short shorts and wellies talk. did it get mentioned that the observer quoted someone as calling Noel Gallagher a "bell-end"?

http://www.panorama.no/bilder/B/blocparty01a.jpg

^^^book the Chinese Theatre star now

jay-z did ok in the charts... 5+ years ago

im stoked for lil wayne in 2015 anyways.

As long as we get Afroman on the Pyramid Stage next year, I'm good.

Bit in "Crazy Rap" where he fucks the daughter of the leader of the KKK = positive racial message for the UK in a time of increased strife.

sarcastic performance of "wonderwall"->"99 problems"= perfect response

sarcastic ~bar~ of 'wonderwall' sure but not the whole song b/c any time you play the whole song everyone loses b/c we have to hear the fucking thing. also why were the crowd singing along?? losers, i hate them all.

we do live in a rubbish country as far as music taste goes deej, you're right.

the cover pwns the critics but does so first by acknowledging the controversy and rising above it - he demonstrated right off the bat that he knows what the crowd likes and has confidence in his ability to win them over. has no one referenced Jimi playing Sgt Pepper when he opened for the Beatles?

t_g OK i thought i remembered him freestyling over that beat - i have it recorded tho, i should watch it again.. maybe i dreamed it!

xpost Hendrix wasn't opening for the Beatles, who'd stopped playing live.

He did do a massive "I'm Gonna Buy Me a Dog" while opening for the Monkees, and "Release Me" on a bill with Englebert Humperdinck, though.

you can't expect me to remember precisely the details of all these obscure little bands, god

Kinda glad The Hoosiers didn't have an opinion on this, because Black Brad Friedel singing "She's So Lovely", ironic or not, sounds like a pretty good definition of hell.

yeah, but that's oh never mind.

we do live in a rubbish country as far as music taste goes deej, you're right.

-- lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 00:49 (9 hours ago)

01. (1 a) Ne-Yo - Closer[]
02. (-1 a) Coldplay - Viva La Vida[]
03. (7 a) Jordin Sparks - No Air[]
04. (1 a) Chris Brown - Forever[]
05. (-2 a) Rihanna - Take A Bow[]

some people are never satsified

May 17 Hard Candy Madonna
May 24 Home Before Dark Neil Diamond
May 31 Narrow Stairs Death Cab for Cutie
June 7 3 Doors Down 3 Doors Down
June 14 Here I Stand Usher
June 21 Indestructible Disturbed
June 28 Tha Carter III Lil Wayne
July 5 Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends Coldplay

That's my iPod playlist sorted out for the rest of the year

"has no one referenced Jimi playing Sgt Pepper when he opened for the Beatles?"

no because that was a genuine tribute. not a failed piss take.

Yeah, but Jimi Hendrix, like Jay-Z, was black, so it's a perfectly valid comparison to make.

John Lennon says "NO" to acid rock at er, Woodstock or something.

some people are never satsified

i was just talking to a friend about what bullshit it is that people whine/snark that "no one in the uk can name more than two jay-z songs" (and 'hard knock life' and '99 problems' are like two of his shittest singles!) - i mean whose fucking problem is that! are we not supposed to have been the ~mtv generation~ or something? whatever, fools, 'big pimpin' and 'can i get a...' and 'can't knock the hustle' and 'money ain't a thang' and a million more are modern-day standards, and if you don't recognise them then it's your issue, really.

Well, one man's Jay-Z is another man's Talking Heads.

theyre hip hop standards but the masses have no clue about them. jay-z fucked up at glasto by not doing any of his hits though. no takeover, no money aint a thing, no money cash hoes, no its alright, etc etc. total missed opportunity.

are we not supposed to have been the ~mtv generation~ or something?

No, that was 20 years ago

I mean, I vaguely remember Frank Sidebottom being on Remote Control, but I was like seven at the time

glasto ppl dont watch mtv BASE.

none of those were uk hits, titchy! they weren't even uk singles dog. he played his hits. he even played 'umbrella'.

And he played "Encore/Numb", which is probably his biggest worldwide hit. So, I dunno, he played what was known.

"no one in the uk can name more than two jay-z singles" - chapter and verse please.

and he did big pimpin

also, 99 problems is a fricking awesome single, it's not our fault you don't like metal, lex

I think what we're all missing here is that the Ting Tings were announced at Glastonbury as a "band John Peel would have been proud of".

They are the White Stripes in reverse.

ban - yeah but the swag juice would have been dripping crazy from those songs. anyway point is excuse me miss and some of the other songs he did werent hits over here anyway so why bother doing those when you could do wall to wall tunnel bangers, the shit that made your fucking name, for crying out loud? its like oasis doing a set and not doing wonderwall, roll with it, etc etc.

i fucking hate that linkin park 'mashup'. umbrella isnt even his hit. no one gives a shit about jay on that.

also, 99 problems is a fricking awesome single, it's not our fault you don't like metal, lex

no i do like it! i just like about 20 other jay-z singles more

and it was perfect in context. i just think it's lame that it's one of his most well-known hits in this godforsaken country

its like oasis doing a set and not doing wonderwall, roll with it, etc etc.

-- titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 12:39 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Pretty sure neither of those tracks would be included in a modern day Oasis set, homes

"modern day Oasis"

something wrong with those words appearing together

not even for - lets say - a huge high profile gig on american shores?

my problem with jiggas set was it seemed too heavy on the last few albums, but didnt even feature the best songs from those! no ride with me, no roc boys... just crap like show me what you got.

You not psyched for new album "Dig Out Your Soul", produced by the guy who produced the last Jet and Wolfmother albums?

xp

omg stoked!

and it was perfect in context. i just think it's lame that it's one of his most well-known hits in this godforsaken country

all this carping about Jay-Z not being bigger here. he has probably sold more records in the UK than anywhere except the US and maybe Canada. being a US rapper he won't have done a huge amount of touring and promotion outside that territory. getting him to headline Glasto is a bold coup but probably a one-off, or at least it may be some time before there's another MC in that position.

but why should Jay-Z be bigger here? because he's good at what he does? big fucking deal so are lots of people and they don't get in the charts either (both here and in the States)

point is, sappy R&B and minimal rap account for half the top 40 right now, so complaints about the UK's appetite for US black pop music (irrespective of it's quality) feel increasingly redundant (at least on the surface - still some fun to be had re who's actually buying it in this 'sell 1000 to make #1' ringload era).

^this

Although fuck the UK for not making "Yahhh" a bigger hit, I hope you bastards get hit by Al-Queda again asap

word

titchy your complaint seems to be somewhat undermined by the fact that the crowd went bananas for jay-z and consensus seems to be that he surpassed all expectations

being a US rapper he won't have done a huge amount of touring and promotion outside that territory.

haha oops i meant to leave "touring" unstrikethroughed

the fact is that ANY jay-z show is pretty rare, especially these days

bananas seems a bit of an overstatement. although was good to see they were nice to him.

consensus means nothing to me.

I hope you bastards get hit by Al-Queda again asap

Have you emigrated recently, or something?

what i mean titch is that you seem to be playing armchair business manager/setlist guru when it seems like jay-z kind of doesn't need your help on that front

oh i dont know - i think he would do well to have me act as setlist guru.

"he surpassed all expectations"

lol. they werent exactly high now were they?

wasn't it noel gallagher who once had a go at radiohead for not playing their big early career-making hits anymore, something along the lines of "come on, thom yorke, play 'creep' and fuck off"?

anyway point is excuse me miss and some of the other songs he did werent hits over here

Excuse Me Miss got to 17.

it shouldnt have ;)

yeah, deserved a bit better

Have you emigrated recently, or something?

-- Pashmina, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:04 (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I have never had a UK passport or been a UK citizen

go back to italy. it's well nice.

xpost well, for various reasons close to, it's not funny.

no because that was a genuine tribute. not a failed piss take.

again, i think you misunderstand. while jay apparently has picked up some your urine-based slang, you yourself have said that a true 'pisstake' would have been much shorter. that's not what he was doing. rather, he was saying to the crowd that he (and his band) can do that shit too. just like jimi. who was also a merkin, btw.

Have you emigrated recently, or something?

-- Pashmina, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:04 (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I have never had a UK passport or been a UK citizen

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 12:51 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Well, you live and learn, eh.

WTF is keeping you in this goddamn-awful shithole of a country then? I'd be out like a shot if I were in your position.

not allowed in anywhere else

No Wetherspoons in other countries.

also, the desire for a serious straight-up hiphop set is rather, as you say, rich, given all the comments and press leading up to the gig. i'm sorry that 'sappy r&b' doesn't do it for the hardmen of brittania, but there was another gender in the audience as well.

u mad doggie

semi surreal casual racism - dud, or dud and it does yer fukcing head in a bit as well?

Blimey, and here was me thinking RogAd got a raw deal. Should have 'shot' him yrs ago!

this brittanic hardman is too stoked for the amerykah part 2 madness to give much of a toss about jay-z to be honest

Unfortunately since Eavis has proved himself a miserable coward I don't suppose we need to give a toss about Glasto ever again.

Eavis has also said no more rap acts headlining Glastonbury, pretty much

and he wants top bands like Keane headlining and not The Verve

Who needs Keane when we have Bent?

(the sample-heavy chillout band from the turn of the century that is!)

ah but did Pele play Glastonbury in 92?

Milltown Brothers to headline Saturday next year. Sterling support from Eat Static, Senser and Tygers of Pan Tang.

Franz Ferdinand
The Arctic Monkeys
R.E.M.

you heard it here first

Eavis says he wants headliners who won't charge 2-3 million for a headline spot.

fratellis/hoosiers/zutons

Liz Jones

"i'm sorry that 'sappy r&b' doesn't do it for the hardmen of brittania."

apology accepted.

"there was another gender in the audience as well."

you know they love a bit of rough as much as the next er, hardman.

Nice also to hear the nightly anti-Jay Z remarks on Radio 2 by ex-Skrewdriver roadie and self-confessed ex-NF member Mark Radcliffe.

It's in his autobiography (xxxxxxp).

Exact quote pls, or I call bullshit.

These "anti-Jay Z remarks" have pretty much amounted to "not really that bothered", haven't they? It's hardly a nightly diatribe.

Even if he did have a youthful flirtation with the right, I don't buy the implication that he still holds those same beliefs, not for a moment.

Also, he was the drummer in Skrewdriver, in their pre-nazi days only. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good slander.

Unfortunately since Eavis has proved himself a miserable coward I don't suppose we need to give a toss about Glasto ever again.

a) ?

b) when were you bothered?

yeah, what pheel said.

I have his autog, and I don't remember any 'flirtation' with the NF.

..you sure you're not confusing him with Ricky Tomlinson?

Jay-Z's headline performance at the Glastonbury festival on Saturday has helped boost the rapper's record sales.

The rapper's 2004 single 99 Problems is set to go straight into the Top 25 of the UK singles chart this weekend.

His Linkin Park duet Numb/Encore, which he closed his Glastonbury set with, is also likely to return to the Top 40.

The star has helped Oasis's Wonderwall return to the charts after he mockingly opened his set with the 1995 single, mid-week figures also suggest.

I reckon Jay-Z and Noel G cooked this whole thing up themselves.

The rapper's 2004 single 99 Problems is set to go straight into the Top 25 of the UK singles chart this weekend.

His Linkin Park duet Numb/Encore, which he closed his Glastonbury set with, is also likely to return to the Top 40.

so not, y'know, any of his really amazing singles, of course not, the british public's taste is far too shitty for that

any country that can get "wearin my rolex" and "closer" to #1 are doing aight imo

katy perry hasn't even charted over there!

Lex you're as dull as Geir at this point in time.

Lex's music criticism = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally-Anne_test

if 'numb' hadnt been played by jo whiley for so fucking long it wouldnt be so popular/known. its no wonder thats being downloaded again.

actually im surprised eavis didnt get noreaga to headline glasto. everyone in england should know 'nothin' by now considering radio one used to play it so much, years after it came out (no idea why/how).

At that whiteboy festival, buyin' the bar

katy perry hasn't even charted over there!

i fear this is imminent :(

Buy the Radcliffe book and find out for yourself. Shouldn't cost you more than 50p in any decent charity shop.

as I say, I have one already, and yeah it was 50p or so.

fight the real enemy (Lard)

Buy the Radcliffe book and find out for yourself. Shouldn't cost you more than 50p in any decent charity shop.

So you're just basically full of shit, then?

did anyone link to the intro video that started up before "Wonderwall"? If not,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xCMvM7EDzs

that's great and makes me wish i'd been there to see it. who put it all together?

oh, it was all a mistaken..

Glastonbury row

The Oasis guitarist also defended his comments about Jay-Z headlining last weekend's Glastonbury Festival.

He said: "The broadsheets get hold of it and have me going down Hyde Park Corner blasting and slamming.

"For the record, I Iike Jay-Z. That's my opinion.

"If it offends people, don't ask me anymore questions.

"I should do these things and answer like every two-bit pop star."

In April, Noel Gallagher said having the rapper at the festival was the reason tickets had not sold out and that it was "wrong" to have a hip-hop headliner.

What about the rest of the article where he blames knife crime on video games? http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7489000/7489988.stm

Raskit in the London free press yesterday saying that his three dream collabs are The Ting Tings, Franz Ferdinand, and, yes, Oasis. So apparently Damon Dash got custody of Semtex in the Def Jam divorce.

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/courttia-newland-rappers-like-kanye-west-deserve-their-glastonbury-moment-too-10145636.html

even without having it in me to read the 442 posts in its middle this thread is one heck of an ILM time capsule

No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously

matt dc not at his most prescient here

it is more complicated than simply that kanye is black. its more that kanye is generally punished and mocked for being black and arrogant (to the point where its his regular, presumably self-knowing, shtick), whereas someone like noel gallagher or kasabian are allowed and celebrated for being outspoken. arrogant rock stars = ok. arrogant rappers = get them out of here.

This Vice piece is pretty OTM:

http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/why-does-everyone-hate-kanye-west

xpost that's OTM. No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously.

― Matt DC

xD

Dunno:

Noel's arrogance / outspoken-ness invites you to disagree, it doesn't mean he'll change his mind but.

Kanye's I dunno invites you to go out and change the specific thing he does not like.

Having said that, the last few TV show appearances that made me go "Ok, that's interesting" was Kanye on Later, Kanye on the Brits (best thing on there since the KLF? Actually being exciting, in your face, and unsettling?) and Kanye on Jonathan Ross, and I'm much more interested in his Glasto appearance than most other things, let alone what Noel might do.

anyone who doubts that kanye can pull it off should just watch him (looking all embittered and martyrish) on the yeezus tour footage on youtube. or just watch the brits peformance.

The anti-Kanye thing is so transparently prejudiced. It makes me ashamed to see that kind of dimwittery in the UK in 2015, especially among people who probably define themselves as loving and free-spirited.
The argument plays out the same every time on social media:

- Kanye has no place at Glastonbury
Why do you say that?

- He is arrogant and a bad role model
That applies to the majority of rock acts who have ever played Glastonbury

- Also his music is terrible
That also applies to the majority of rock acts who have ever played Glastonbury

- Glastonbury is a rock festival
Uh...?

- Nobody wants to watch him play. People will stop going if they keep putting people like him on.
175,000 ticket holders might disagree?

- He is too popular
I thought nobody wanted to watch him play?

- What's next? One Direction? Taylor Swift?
Perish the thought...! There's a place for people like you. It's called Bearded Theory.

- Tell me how not wanting Kanye to play at Glastonbury is racist: I like good hip hop. I have a Cannibal Ox CD at home.
So black music is fine so long as the artists are down to Earth and don't sell too many records?

- But he's arrogant! He's a bad role model!
...

Kanye in 2008 (pre-Taylor outburst, pre-Kardashian, immediately post-Graduation) was very different in terms of public perception to Kanye now, he was quite a lot less divisive. I mean he was still black obviously so obviously Noel Gallagher and yr petition starters of the world would have had a problem, but I'm not sure it would have snowballed like this.

This notably didn't really happen when Beyonce headlined, but U2 were really the "you don't belong here" lightning conductor that year.

As much as I don't like and think this is dumb as it gets, I can attest this is a specifically British attitude from a sizable demo of ppl who are acutely attuned to all forms of pretentiousness. I don't believe americans are quite as sensitive to pretension in the same way. The culture isn't quite the same. British humour is dependant on taking the piss. It's a bedrock of everyday life that people who get too big for their boots are instinctvely cut down to size.

Kanye is seen by Brits as the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself. And especially the Wellie loving mud drenched @VeryBritishProblems demo that atttends Glasto, this is just a terrible fit.

It's like this - an evening down the pub with mates in UK consists almost entirely of taking the piss out of each other. Kanye of 2015 does not fit into this beer down the local pub mentality of the 90% of Glastogoers.

Oh for the days of self-lampooning beery japesters like Radiohead.

cant imagine arcade fire taking the piss out of each other that much, nor many other american headliners, yet there they were at glasto.

beloved sense-of-humour-possessors coldplay

Oh for the days of self-lampooning beery japesters like Radiohead.

― Matt DC,

But they are dreary, another well established British trait that is more welcomed.

beloved sense-of-humour-possessors coldplay

― bizarro gazzara

Again, they are dreary. This is a culturally accepted and often encouraged trait among Brits.

so the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself - is cancelled out by the power of dreariness eh

dreary this FP you shit troll goon

Uh oh, it's gone all Batman again.

so the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself - is cancelled out by the power of dreariness eh

― bizarro gazzara,

Well, yeah, if you were British or lived here you'd get that instantly. And I don't think any brit has ever had the impression Radiohead or Coldplay can't take a joke anyway. Same with Blur or Oasis.

It's the whole Jarvis Cocker/MJ scenario. His per was deemed by Cocker to be pretentious wankery, therefore, obviously ripe for mocking.

i am british and i live within the british isles

come at me bro

Take Ozzy Osbourne, he's accepted, because he's both a typically dreary brummie, and doesn't take himself seriously. The Americans just thought he was wonderfully eccentric. But beyond the stage act he's about a normal middle aged Brummie as you'd find.

i am british and i live within the british isles

come at me bro

― bizarro gazzara,

Yet clearly not influenced by american culture at all.

brb gonna map all this out on a graph with dreariness / self-seriousness axes

Birmingham would be high on drear, as would liverpool and manchester. Liverpool highest on pisstake, Newcastle and London lower on drear.

Are Mumford & Sons dreary? I guess theirs is a special kind of arrogance.

Eventually we'll have a set of Top Trumps cards.