Psychedelic Country Music

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Grudzien was my first thought as well. Then The Flying Burrito Brothers. Two Grudzien tracks appear on the Yee-Haw!: The Other Side of Country comp. I didn't like it, though.

I don't know...The Grateful Dead?

I've been liking Deerfield, Country Joe and the Fish and 50 Foot Hose lately.

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i knew about the flying burrito bros. just curious if there was stuff out there that was really psyched out country.

ill check that grudzien, looks interesting

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great grateful dead-type shit but a bit further south

Can we talk about early-mid70s West Coast post-psych/pop/rock/folk-rock/country-rock?

http://www.myspace.com/dcharlesspeer

Check that West Coast thread. It's my most fave on ilm.

Charley D. and Milo -- twee psych-country from '70:

http://musiconthefringe.blogspot.com/2007/01/charley-d-and-milo.html

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and Nancy And Lee

The Sadies

Gene Clark

Seriously, Some Velvet Morning

captain beefheart sometimes

this Grudzien dude is awesome!

yeah was listening to some of that grudzien based on the rec from sshasta and wow, here is the henry darger of country music.

Hazlewood on acid

D Charles Speer seconded big time with extreme prejudice

Speer rules. Needs to tour the South and Appalachia.

Also, Charlie Tweddle:

http://www.charlietweddle.com/CharlieMedia/CD_Cover.jpg

Tweddle is like the Godz/Shaggs of Northern California hippie country. This record smells like hemp.

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The Gourds.

Did this thread REALLY go this far without a mention of Spence's Oar? I had to read it three times just to make sure.

Just now listening to Area 615's s/t (1969) and Trip in the Country (1970) on one disc (kindly provided by Edd Hurt), is pyschedelic enough to expand my mind enough to halfway grasp new shapes of chesnuts I'd long since really stopped hearing, whether I liked them or not: the former would include "I've Been Loving You Too Long," now on its way to the family bayou of "Jolie Blonde" (wish they'd done that too; the "not category would include "Hey Jude," which starts out with "Loving You"'s olld school Cajun tinge, but then zigzags toward "Psychotic Reaction" and other nice thangs (later, way into Trip, "Gray Suit Man" is a yowling garage bust of the Man, chugging away; the bass sounds like a 10-ton jug all through both sets; the drummer is ravenous too; but use of sustain, fuzz, mebbe Moog, bass harmonica through echo chamber? never crowd the banjo, steel, oh lord the fiddle--some great ballads too, in between the rolling panstylistic puzzle palacess) A-List Nashville Cats, kicking out more than jams, more than resumes; real-enough soul, and some originals I guess, and trad-arr.beyond the festival bait (not that it wouldn't sound great live) It's like the first time I ever heard two LPs on one of those newfangled CDs: two much man!(Made Galileo look lak uh Boy Scout. Sorry bout that, let it all hang out.)

If someone more well-versed in the guitar could figure out the chords to Grudzien's "The Unicorn" I would be forever in debt. I can figure out the root notes but I don't know enough about the guitar to figure out beyond that. I know it's a long shot, but I figured it's worth a try.

Also, if anyone has a good quality rip of Cowboy in Sweden please send it my way. I've gotten a number of straight-from-vinyl rips over the years but all of them are extremely static-y and I've never come across a physical copy.

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Also, if anyone has a good quality rip of Cowboy in Sweden please send it my way. I've gotten a number of straight-from-vinyl rips over the years but all of them are extremely static-y and I've never come across a physical copy.

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see the Smells Like Sounds CD edition

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The Omni Recording Corporation from Australia (http://www.myspace.com/theomnirecordingcorporation) is a very compelling reissue label with some stuff that might interest you. Not necessarily psychedelic in the swirling phasers and backwards guitar solo sense, but more of "outsider" country thing -- a lot of it is selections from more IN type folks, too, which is interesting if you're a country fan.

can't f with that grudzien

Grudzien reminds me of someone, not sure who..maybe tom verlaine?
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Me too, but it's not Verlaine. Someone from movies...shrugs...

horror movies...

and back to the original question:
the butthole surfers did some psych-country back then,,,

The International Tussler Society is Motorpsycho doing country for once, and it's pretty close to what you are asking for I suppose. Another act from Norway that may be slightly that thing is Sgt. Petter, who musically is sort of a cross-in-between 66-67 Beatles and Gram Parsons-like country rock.

And how about Gene Clark's "No Other"?

clark already mentioned here

What about early Kenny Rogers? Pre-Gambler he put out the song Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In) with The First Edition.

Rex Allen Jr.'s Today's Generation, '70. Mentions "videophones" and LSD. Some mellotron and harpsichord, not quite as psychedelic as one would have hoped but still mighty strange. There's a bunch of Bobby Bare and John D. Loudermilk concept records from the '60s that fall into this category too.

So, there's a a previous thread on this from a couple years ago, called "I found $41 on the ground today, so let's talk about Psychedelic Country!"; I've been trying to link to it for the past 24 hours, and keep getting the same retarded error message. Anyway, it lists lots of stuff not mentioned here; maybe somebody else can cut and paste the link...

http://tinyurl.com/3ws8lo

That'll do it. Oddly, I posted it in BBCode, it returned the error and refused it. Then I just posted it for C&P and it mounted it. Perhaps a change was made to how the chatboard software handles naked URLs.

Sez in the FAQ that changes to the code are made and generally rolled out on weekends. Perhaps that's the explanation then since you indicated it had been thwarting you since yesterday.

Thanks, George.

By the way, don't see J.D. Blackfoot's Yellowhand mentioned on either this thread or the previous one; it probably belongs, though.

Oh, Mickey Newbury! I'm only familiar with Frisco Mabel Joy, but that's great. Also, the Flatlanders - More a Legend Than a Band... "Bhagavan Decreed" is like the essential psych-country song to me.

Yellowhand moreso than the 70's thing which is more a mixed-up psyche-hard rock thang.

Anybody mentioned Michael Hurley, Holy Modal Rounders, Fugs-? Also,
there's these,from
http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com
Another wayfaring homeboy, Ed Sanders, has recently 'llowed Collectors
Choice Music to recycle Sanders' Truckstop and Beer Cans On The Moon.
The first, from 1970, is usually described as hippie parodies of
country folk, but Sanders was from Oklahoma before the Lower East
Side, and it's more the banana-peel ass-speck of all human existence
that he celebrates and commiserates with here. "Jimmy Joe, The
Hippybilly Boy" won't leave them hills of OK cuz he loves 'em, he's
the peacenik side of Ed (goes back to save one drowning soul too many,
gets his groovy long hair wrapped around the rear-view mirror) while
the illin' Johnny Pissoff of "The Illiad" is a bloody-minded Ed that
mighta been if he'd stayed in the sticks, isolated and righteous.
Really it's about 1969/1970, the napalm and other smog that blurs
roles, and leaves several horny wraiths waltzing through the crash
pads and round the mountain, with "Banshee," "Breadtray Mountain,"
"Homesick Blues" and "They're Cutting My Coffin At The Sawmill"
particulary worthy of the Holy Modal Rounders, others more like
Working Man's Dead, though he should have gone for more takes on some
of the vocals (according to Richie Unterberger, who provides extensive
notes, including quotes from unfavorable reviews, in the booklets of
both CDs, Sanders' Truck Stop employs drummer/sometime pianist John
Ware and bassist John Ware, both from Linda Ronstadt's band, when
she'd left the Stone Ponys but was still promoting that hit version of
Michael Nesmith's "Different Drum," and these same guys soon joined
Nesmith's First National Band; plus, David Bromberg, Patrick Sky, Jay
Unger, "and, on steel guitar and banjo, Bill Keith, who'd been in
Bill Monroe's group and Jim Kweskin & The Jug Band, " but a pretty
lean sound). Beer Cans On The Moon came out in 1972, and is more
topical at times, but resists datedness with all sorts of little
twists in the vocals, words, tunes, and arrangements (music is more
varied, and includes a guy from Woody Herman's band, as well as Jake
Jacobs, who had played on some Fugs tracks; his own band, Jake & The
Family Jewels, released The Big Moose Calls His Baby Sweet Lorraine,
with a sweet, croony cover of "When Will I Believed" which I was
floating through til Cannoball Ronstadt's version blasted me towards
taking refuge with Patti Smith and Television's early work. Just as
well, it was time to wake up and move on, I guess? ).Meanwhile, back
on Beer Cans, the split between idealism and satire is more apparent
now, also its entanglement, esp. when Ed wishes everyone a "Six-pack
of Sunshine" while beating his head against a wall (but also spouting
some lovely lines), and sitting "in a geodesic honky-tonk"on the title
track when the whole universe is turning into the poor side o' town.
"Yodeling Robot" 's electric autoharp bounces like particles, while
trad. country's keep-a-goin' formalism is honored by said robot,
hopelessly but stoically in love with Dolly Parton, 'cos "I-yern eyes,
can-not cry." "Henry Kissinger" sounds like the Irish
alderman/slumlord on that album I reviewed in Voice last year,
McNally's Row Of Flats. "Albion Craigs" is a funky
almost-gospel-reggae setting for William Blake. It's all Ed, for sure
(Not Pavoratti, not Dylan, and not the Fugs, but the kinda good when
it's good that you can't get anywhere else, unless it's on for
instance the countrier tracks on the Fugs' The Belle Of Avenue A,
which I haven't heard). Don Allred

Judee Sill
Michael Nesmith, for sure
recently, Sunset

Judee Sill isnt really country (more folk) nor psych

the self titled album isn't part country? i don't know 'bout that... and her lyrics at the very least are psychedelic. Nesmith solo isn't exactly psychedelic either, but he often manages to exude it all the same.

this is the part of the thread where i tell everyone to grab a copy of this:

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if i still did acid, it would be on my list of things to listen to.

Meat Puppetts s/t

"Nesmith solo isn't exactly psychedelic either"

some of the most beautiful acidic moments in music that i've ever heard exist on this record:

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(i was friggin' OBSESSED with "you are my one"/"in the afternoon" last year. so goddamn beautiful. and so amazingly spaced-out.)

Puppets even. Sorry too much special K

there's another psych country thread where most of this stuff has been mentioned. for some reason i can't link to it, but it's called:

I found $41 on the ground today, so let's talk about Psychedelic Country!

some of the most beautiful acidic moments in music that i've ever heard exist on this record:

right, right. my whole point was that Nesmith is uniquely psychedelic, not fitting easily into the common "psych" classification.

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Far too often threads like this show up that remind me there's an incredible amount of awesome music I've never heard. Simultaneously exciting and depressing.

I love that Red Rhodes album. It's incredibly dreamy. You can get it here actually.

And I'm waiting on that Area Code 615 in the mail after stumbling across it on eBay. Apparently they formed after the members came together to play on Nashville Skyline.

Oh awesome, thanks, I was looking for that.

Is Peter Grudzien the buttbaby of Tom Verlaine and Richard Kiel?

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Hey that Red Rhodes is really good. Sorta wish there were some vocals goin on, but that's probably blasphemy to the initiated, huh.

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For post-psych stoner bluegrass Aereo-Plain is totally essential.

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I never see copies of Wheatstraw suite. Want, want, want.

Heh heh, I got that in a bargain bin somewhere just before whenever the last country rock revival was

Hey that Red Rhodes is really good. Sorta wish there were some vocals goin on, but that's probably blasphemy to the initiated, huh.

Not at all. Just pick up a few Michael Nesmith records! They have Rhodes and great vocals. Rhodes is particularly good on And the Hits Just Keep on Comin'. The record features only Nesmith and Rhodes. It pretty magical.

Will search for Nesmith albums right now... thanks!

They have Rhodes and great vocals.

And great songs!

Totally.

There's even more ideas on this thread:

Has any band dared to mix country and noise-rock?

I'm going to try and post this one again:

let's talk about Psychedelic Country

Cool. Now all my fave threads are linked up!

BOOKMARKING THESE THREADS

Hey that Red Rhodes is really good. Sorta wish there were some vocals goin on, but that's probably blasphemy to the initiated, huh.

And indeed one of the songs from Velvet Hammer is an reworked instrumental version of a track from Magentic South.

downloading that at this very moment actually, awesome.

Porter Wagoner's "The Rubber Room"

as i mentioned on some other thread, red rhodes not only played on all that great nesmith and monkees stuff, but also that john phillips wolfking solo album, AND the notorious byrd brothers, AND song cycle by van dyke parks, AND millenium's begin album, and on curt boetcher's great solo album there's an innocent face too. all stuff i love.

Scott, he also played on that Charley D. and Milo record that you love so much.

Someone mentioned Mickey Newbury up above. His Looks Like Rain LP fits the bill perfectly. It's a country-folk song cycle (full of environmental sound effects and a little sitar) obviously inspired by the spacey production on Marty Balin ballads like "Comin' Back to Me."

there's a couple of jim ford songs, at least. also dale hawkins l.a., memphis & tyler, texas.

http://www.myspace.com/dcharlesspeer

stuff i've heard by this dude was pretty terrible, but the first two songs on his myspace are alright.

"Scott, he also played on that Charley D. and Milo record that you love so much."

yup. forgot to mention that one.

I just interviewed Milo!

He's a heavy in the world of Tarot and neo-Crowley magick.

Here: http://www.lonmiloduquette.com/

Cripes!

another good mickey newbury album is *harlequin melodies*. has some good spaced out dylan-esque stuff like "how many times must the piper be paid for his song" on it. and it also has his original version of "just dropped in". mickey's version is HEAVY on the sitar and is pretty ragged and cool. not that i don't love the first edition version. i do. (the first edition album with just dropped in on it ain't no great shakes though.)

cool! did you interview charley?

charley was nice enough to send me a bunch of his solo CDs after he read what i had to say about him and milo on the web. i really liked them.

The e-mail I had for Charley was no good, but Milo gave me a more recent one. So I'm in the process of making it happen.

Great record. It's kind of like the twee psych-country record the Monkees never made. (Sure, they did it here 'n' there, but they never explored it for a full album.)

Milo told some outrageous story about how publicity folks booked Charley D. and Milo as Sammy Davis' backing band at some L.A. shindig in '70, I believe. Well, just before Sammy gets onstage, Charley and Milo leave the stage, leaver behind their drummer and head to the bar, where they watch the entire show: just Sammy and their drummer. Sammy didn't even notice them leaving.

ok, now totally sold on michael nesmith solo career, k bye!

just got the new double vinyl live byrds at royal albert hall 1971 today. friggin' great. side-long 8 miles high jam is phaaaaaaaaaat! (to think that the tapes had been sitting in mcguinn's climate-controlled basement all these years. what a stoner!)

at least is was climate-controlled

I'm pretty sure mickey newbury wrote what condition my condition is in, which I mentioned earleir and is not really country despite the kenny roger's vocal.

he did write it. that's why i called it his "original version" in my post up there. i brought it up cuz someone had brought up mickey AND the first edition completely separate of each other. i think.

Bobby Bare's '67 companion to Notorious, Bird Named Yesterday.

EDD! have you heard/bought this yet????

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Clarence White is all kinds of badass on that thing. WHOOHEEEE!

http://musiconthefringe.blogspot.com/2007/01/charley-d-and-milo.html
is anyone able to open this zip file? i've been on the lookout for it for ever since scott's always hammering on about it. i couldn't unzip this w/that password, just sits there forever

Clarence White is all kinds of badass on that thing. WHOOHEEEE!

Yeah, that's the best Byrds live album I've heard yet. I love how McGuinn turned the later-period Byrds in the very thing they weren't known for -- a great live band.

Another needed record is Muleskinner's self-titled LP. The title track is some mutant fusion of bluegrass and glam overdrive.

Muleskinner:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0RkxpFvo__k

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CMQuuZNvwLU&feature=related

Of course, this isn't classic psych here. But Clarence and company (Grisman for crissakes!) were totally inspired by acid rock-era jamming.

I heard the new Byrds live in the record store. "Lover of the Bayou."

Clarence White's solo on the Gosdin Brothers' "Tell Me" from '67 is ace...

Indeed. That's one of my all-time fave solos.

"(Grisman for crissakes!)"

i'm an earth opera fan. david grisman and peter rowan's folk/psych/oldetyme group. they did two albums in the 60's. the vinyl is usually pretty cheap.

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jerry jeff walker's old band circus maximus also fits that kind of 60's bill. a mix of psych/rock/folk/country. their two vanguard albums are really good.

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and while we're at it david lindley's old band kaleidoscope should be menioned too. though they went even further by combining folk/jazz/blues/middle eastern/country into their sound.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/664235746_b3e4b8c0f8.jpg?v=0

(but then you can keep on going on and on with san fran and the dead and quicksilver and country joe, etc. as far as bands that mixed that stuff up. it is more fun to think of examples of actual country type people making drug music.)

hey skot u ever heard this mike nesmith thing (apparently all instrumental)? they have a copy of it at my local store...

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you guys ever hear about this album? it looks like any one of a million hank williams tribute albums that you might find in a dollar bin and never look at twice. and it is, but it's also a totally fuzzed-out acid-rock album of hank williams covers. people passed it by for years and very few actually heard it. nobody seemed to notice that the girl on the cover is feeding the horse multi-colored sugarcubes.

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get it, matt, it's awesome! sadly, i no longer own a vinyl copy. it's a crazy record. it's a big fat fuckin' orchestra doing nesmith tunes. hal blaine on drums. awesome instrumental version of my fave "tapioca tundra". nesmith spent a mint making it. i forget the story. but it cost a fortune. the arrangements are insane.

this is the part of the thread where i tell everyone to buy one of my favorite country/psych/rock albums ever. if you are a byrds fan, you NEED to hear this album.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Poco_1969.jpg

another good mickey newbury album is *harlequin melodies*. has some good spaced out dylan-esque stuff like "how many times must the piper be paid for his song" on it.

great record!

speaking of lost stuff from the vaults, have you ever heard Hoover - The Lost Outlaw album?

dude was a roller w/waylon and billy joe shaver and those dudes, this album was lost for years, the last thing recorded at the infamous Outlaw HQ in nashville...tapes rescued from a dumpster...great stuff. real depressing and spooky stuff. pretty stripped down arrangements..."I'm The Loneliest Guy I've Ever Met" is a klassik.

http://www.texamericana.org/images/profiles/150x150/319-The-Lost-Outlaw-Album.JPG

^^was reissued by a small label called Sphincter Records on CD, still can find new copies online, well worth it!

this is my fave billy joe shaver album. but i've hardly heard them all.

http://www.texicanmusic.com/images/cdcovers/Gypsy4.jpg

never heard Hoover.

yeah i think he pops up playing random instruments on a lot of the outlaw era stuff....weirdo, minor character...my friend actually found him online, he works for a hawaiian newspaper as a writer...they exchanged emails i guess he is a real character.

I've never heard any Billy Joe that sounded psychedelic ( but his band Shaver, with son Eddy's speedy slide rave-ups, like in "I Been To Georgia On A Fast Train," certainly worth checking out). However, he still sometimes delivers his testimony on stage, about when he met Jesus on an acid trip, and was told to forsake Nashville Babylon and go back to Texas, so he did. New arrivals among ye Nesmith fans please note my mention of nascent Nesmith First National Band members on some of those Ed Sanders tracks I reviewed upthread (one of 'em actually accompanied N. on his first trek from Texas to Cali)

Like, 80% of the shit mentioned on this thread isn't the slightest bit psychedelic. Most of it is great, yes, but just because something was recorded between 1967 and 1973 does not automatically make it 'psych.' Billy Joe Shaver and Judee Sill WTF people have you ever smoked grass even once???

^^mellow harsher

lol Billy Joe Shaver as psychedelic, man. Next, as said up above, just dump every moth-eaten used record made in the late Sixties/early Seventies by bands/singers/songwriters that didn't sell and who wore clothes from the JC Penney cool rock fashion line endorsed by the Monkees. Can an Armand Schaubroeck name-drop be far off? Oops, now I've cheesed it.

^^stay away from the brown acid people it's a bummer

xpost LOL but I guess if you're using Marshall Tucker Band as a barometer...

Of this list, Grudzien, Twedddle, and live Byrds are the closest to 'country' sounding music you'd actually want to smoke a spliff to. Many others listed here are great road trip country albums, but not psychedelic by even the loosest definition

the new jersey turnpike is CLOSED man!

xpost

Mark Farner's in-between song raps on Grand Funk Live.

Hillbilly John Nashville White Trash Without Money

also i bet skot has smoked weed once. maybe.

LOL if xhuxk was posting this stuff gorge'd be all up in it

Did someone actually mention Judee Sill on this thread? She's not country, and she's probably not very psychedelic but I would definitely listen to her music high, you know? (Maybe I wouldn't if I wasn't?) I was pretty sure I had loved psychedelic music all my life, but the word's been misused and abused so much in the past few years I don't even know what it means anymore. Anyway, this reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me about when she had to have a catscan and they told her to bring in her favorite CD, so she brought Judee Sill's first. The music was slightly comforting, but there was also the sound of the buzzing droning laser ray machine over it, so it was this woman singing folk songs about the cosmos and it sounds like The Space Brothers are docking, and I said, "That's the music I always wanted to make!"

I must seek out that Circus Maximus record! I love Jerry Jeff's Driftin' Way of Life. He writes songs, like Willie*, that are pure country but the perspective expresses something I would consider psychedelic. "Cosmic country" that's what that means! Listen to Hank Williams -- how many times does he sing about the stars? But I guess that's not out of place in a lot of folk musics. God bless the few American music makers who held onto perspective long enough to collide with the psychedelic era!

*the one spot, off the top of my head, where Willie gets truly psychedelic is the spoken intro to Yesterday's Wine, you know what I'm talking about?

"Billy Joe Shaver and Judee Sill WTF people have you ever smoked grass even once???"

i never said billy joe was psych. i said that album was my fave billy joe album.

i have another album by that hoover guy, and it's not country nor is it psych. it's more like loner folk. good album. he's sitting in front of a tombstone w/"Hoover" written on it

i definitely didn't intend to mention Judee Sill as a litmus test for posters' density. if you like the idea of psychedelic country music (which definitely isn't even exactly a well-established genre unto itself) you might like judee sill's first album. how's that for an anal preface?

Considering there really aren't many country bands/artists that rock like Hawkwind or Guru Guru or early Floyd, it seems obvious that the term psychedelic (which is elastic to begin with) has to be modified to fit the genre we're dealing with.

skot i sent u the mp3s of that hoover record. i'm not sure if the ILM email thing worked or not.

What about Hearts And Flowers?

"it seems obvious that the term psychedelic (which is elastic to begin with) has to be modified to fit the genre we're dealing with."

eggzactly

"skot i sent u the mp3s of that hoover record. i'm not sure if the ILM email thing worked or not."

i got it. i haven't listened yet. thanks!

i have another album by that hoover guy, and it's not country nor is it psych. it's more like loner folk. good album. he's sitting in front of a tombstone w/"Hoover" written on it

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yeah i'd love to run across the vinyl of that...seen the picture online.

yeah i don't know if it's psych or whatever, i've never seen so many panties in a bunch over the definition of psych before.

basically i just figured if ppl dug some of the stuff on this thread they might like hoover

I'm glad you mentioned him!

this is not the way home

and this, too

Scott mentioned Quicksilver above, and yeah, maybe it's more interesting when country people go psych than the other way around, but I just wanted to say that I've been listening to the used $1 vinyl copy of 1969's Shady Grove I bought last year, and the first side, at least, definitely qualifies for this thread regardless. (Second side is cool, too, but maybe more proto-goth-metal and proto-jazz-fusion. I don't know their other stuff at all; curious, now, if this is considered one of their best, worst, or what. Either way, I like it a lot.)

Another more recent band (possibly mentioned on the other thread) who might belong here: Grandpa's Ghost.

And I know he's not super obscure collectors' bait or anything, but Neil Young deserves at least one mention on his thread. So okay, now he has one.

picked up that Byrds Albert Hall 71 thing last nite on vinyl..wowser great stuff!

8 miles high is frickin' nuts!

i always forget gram parsons was an awesome drummer

He was a man of many talents but he wasn't much of a drummer! I generally like Gene Parsons' songs in The Byrds and that song he did with the Burritos, "Wind and Rain" is great

There are a couple live albums from that period. But this new one has such awesome sound. This weekend my friend is bringing me a burn of some old live bootleg from '70. It's from L.A. If it's any good, I'll check in.

I'll have to check out Shady Grove. I'm pretty ignorant of Quicksilver after Happy Trails.

gram, gene, gram, gene...

i think gram plays awesome on this new live one..the whole band is on fire...skip the bass player has a bonkers solo and clarence white is just mindblowing on this record....

it's so all over the place...everything from super freakout guitar jamz to an acapella "amazing grace"

i didn't know "jesus is just alright" was a byrds song!

gram, gene, gram, gene...

-- QuantumNoise, Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

what if science could have combined the powers of gene clark and gram parsons? woah.

you mean gene parsons, not gram.

Gene Parsons = Byrds drummer
Gram Parsons = International Submarine Band, Sweetheart-era Byrds, Flying Burrito Bros, Keith Richards' drug buddy

Gene = droopy moustached dude, saw him play in Glasgow once with his wife/partner!

(to confuse things Gene also joined the Burritos in the mid '70s!)

Gene was also a member of Nashville West.

haha jesus christ i'm so messed up.

aaaaanyway...gene parsons is a great drummer and gram parsons was a great songwriter and gene clark was a genius and the byrds are a great band!

gene parsons gene clark michael clarke gram parsons

... and they were all involved with the Burritos too

Rhapsody has an interesting interview with Chris Hillman. They pose the Gram vs. Gene (Clark) question to him. He thought Gram was super talented, but, he said, Gene was a stone-cold genius. Then again, he was also a lunatic, Hillman said.

i think the only think that could make this 71 byrds live album better is (maybe) sneaky pete kleinow

I think of "psych" as festooned with tropes, not nec. mind-expanding, and "acid music" can be, as St. Jerry said whatever music you like to trip to (or don't nec.like, but get involved with tripping to, I said)So, for me, John Wesley Harding was psychedelic country(and I did like it). And in thee afterglow of life)some Giant Sand/Howe Gelb/Arizona Amp & Amplifier, when not too slowww (I deplore the current use of "sludge" *not* as a put down, but as just another tag). The last couple of Oakley Hall albums too, and Speck Mountain, who sometimes, like on "Hey Moon," ahve this early Sissy Spacektronica thang going on (yall can still hear the song and maybe still download it, on Paper Thin Walls)Bodies Of Water (two albs, incl the new one, which I think may also be excerpted on PTW by now) expand my idea of the possibilties of men & women singing together, and about what.

The original tripping hippies, as in 1965/Red Dog Saloon/Charlatans, weren't even playing insane out there stuff. They were playing a mix of pop, folk, jug band, garage, all with a little twang. The Charlatans version of "Codeine Blues" sounds like Americana/alt-country WAY ahead of schedule.

In other words, dow, I'm digging what you're saying!

Dan Hicks, who was in the Charlatans, said they took a lot of acid, but yeah, they were into the old-tymey stuff, the Old Weird/wired etc--though I think their own LP has often been considered thin, at least soundwise--maybe better remastered? I do like Hicks and His Hot Licks, Jim Kweskin & The Jug Band, etc., but in terms of taking those songs on a trip, we need Holy Modal Rounders, and some of Stampfel's sidetrips, for the sound and smell of his voice, on trad-arr., collabs, solo writing, or unlikely pop covers. Also, I guess we should give a nod to the red-eyed beardo flamboyance of Music From Big Pink (reissued with bonus tracks, though they may be same as the demos Robertson tweaked and put on the legit Basement Tapes, which also has its psychedelic country moments, on some of Dylan's songs)

Also ones who creatively tapped mountain surrealism: Freakwater, once they started developing their own writing.

The Charlatans are not well represented on record. However, that version of "Codeine Blues" is a masterpiece.

but in terms of taking those songs on a trip

A trip. Exactly. Or even role playing. The early SF sound, as embodied by the Charlatans, wasn't about long jams, mind bending sonics, etc. It was about diving into the songs, becoming the characters in those songs, playing the song out like a dream. Wild West mythology is a fundamental component to psychedelia's original DNA. This comes out in the early music: massive, spacey sounding folk-rock. In my opinion you can follow this sound (this attitutde), as it headed back to the south and eventually influenced the outlaw movement. Waylon reconnecting with the mythology of country music, whether it's real or not, has (in a very impressionistic way) a similar sound to the original acid-inspired folk-rock: those huge, hypnotic chords on "Are You Sure Hank Done it This Way." The way he spaces the instrumentation on his best records. There's space in there. There's an understanding of a pop song as a kind of dreamscape. But now I'm rambling!

"Are You Sure Hank Done it This Way." The way he spaces the instrumentation on his best records. There's space in there. There's an understanding of a pop song as a kind of dreamscape. But now I'm rambling!

Always reminded me of the Velvets funny enough - but i see what you mean

Well, the Velvets had "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" and the bootheel pickin' and other elements of their Live In Texas doubleLP (now two sep CDs)--but also, if you like that connection, def check Dreamin Waylon's Dreams, by Chuck Prophet (of Green On Red, wayy back, and they also pertain to this thread)

For a great fusion of folk-rock, hippie country, tribal shenanigans and Loaded-era VU, go straight to Brewer & Shipley's cover of Jim Pepper's "Witchi-tai-to."

Of course, when we get to Loaded, Yule brothers in da house, but it's great, eh Lou? "It's a lot of people's favorite, and I'm not even on it!" Also, there's Cale's Tex-Mex solo in the middle of "Sister Ray." And somebody at that party "...came from Alabama..."

awesome pic of peter grudzien from the recent wfmu

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1963/petergtv2.jpg

oh holy shit that's fucking amazing what. a dude.

One of my favourites of the past few years has gotta be Beachwood Sparks. Debut self-titled is the better of the two, but the follow up is great too, 'Once we were Trees'.

I think right at the centre of the junction of psychedelic and country is an instrument called pedal steel guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tPk2pV00B8

grudzien = dwyer

Its not psychedelic per se, but it is one of deepest soul wrenching echo laden 45's I've heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSdrkyeppwM

The Charlatans are not well represented on record. However, that version of "Codeine Blues" is a masterpiece.

but in terms of taking those songs on a trip

A trip. Exactly. Or even role playing. The early SF sound, as embodied by the Charlatans, wasn't about long jams, mind bending sonics, etc. It was about diving into the songs, becoming the characters in those songs, playing the song out like a dream. Wild West mythology is a fundamental component to psychedelia's original DNA. This comes out in the early music: massive, spacey sounding folk-rock. In my opinion you can follow this sound (this attitutde), as it headed back to the south and eventually influenced the outlaw movement. Waylon reconnecting with the mythology of country music, whether it's real or not, has (in a very impressionistic way) a similar sound to the original acid-inspired folk-rock: those huge, hypnotic chords on "Are You Sure Hank Done it This Way." The way he spaces the instrumentation on his best records. There's space in there. There's an understanding of a pop song as a kind of dreamscape. But now I'm rambling!

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 19 June 2008 20:23 (2 years ago)

I do find the electric part of the sound, if you can hear past what material is being played, to be pretty psychedelic folk-rock. I just keep coming across people who dismiss it as being old-timey songs and therefore can't be remotely psychedelic. A bit like saying Liege & Lief is a selection of Child ballads so has no prog-psych elements.
I love the long version of Alabama Bound on Amazing Charlatans I get images of a gossamer winged creature taking flight. Beautiful, one of my favourite recordings.
The interplay of the band had me wondering for ages if they did take off more live but now having live tracks by them, seems that they don't really. I do love that Amazing Charlatans set though & especially Mike wilhelm's guitar.

D. Charles Speer has a new one out in a few weeks that kinda-sorta fits this thread

Gene Clark's Cosmic Americana masterpiece No Other is the quintessential album of psychedelic country music.

More recently, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND the unsung and underrated psychedelic folk/country band Cotton Jones

All three of their albums are modern classics:
The River Strumming
Paranoid Cocoon
Tall Hours in the Glowstream

this is one of my favourite albums

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pClPNP0Aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pClPNP0Aw

I made a list on Rate Your Music about this very thing. Check it out here- http://rateyourmusic.com/list/crunchytunes/best_psychedelic_country_rock_records

hi

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All hail!