Lindstrom: Where You Go I Go Too

we all fell space since the loft era and the paradise garage. I fell
space and universe every time music gets kosmic and synthetic and
shouts body and soul. Then from New york to chicago, over Detroit with gary numan's cars, italian and electronic european cerrone and
moroder things ... All the sounds are compressing and invite us to
gather, wherever we come from; that is all about with scando-med music. Travel all over the Whord by the extremities. North and south,
black and white, find out what common is between krautrock and disco
or the possible alliance of rythm. That music is utopic like the hippies were at least.Dreamy and psychedelic, background the Sun of the baléares and the everlasting scandinavian summer !

-- laure oth, Friday, 16 September 2005 11:51 (2 years ago) Link

Looking forward to this but yeah, august is too late! Let's hope for an imminent leak ;-) (I'll buy it whenever it comes out). I assume you've got a promo copy, beta? Or are you sharing your SXSW impression of the album?

i do have a promo copy, with our man smiling wide on the cover. i recall nothing about any night of SXSW.

sorry, i'm going to have be anal and ask ... i thought it was called "where you go i go too"?

concept album about sharing a bathroom

No Prins no credibility.

Wasn't there a full Lindstrom/Prins disc planned?

Okay now I'm excited : D

Don't go by me, tho. I'm overtired and basing that on a vague memory.

That's my solid gold seal of authenticity!

No Prins no credibility.

As already mentioned on the L&PT thread, there's a new track on Lindstrøm's myspace - a PT edit of one of the album tracks. Lllllovely.

Wasn't there a full Lindstrom/Prins disc planned?

yep, due in autumn.

only listened to where you go i go too once - it sounded lovely, just kept building and building. didn't really notice when one track turned into another.

No Prins no credibility.

-- I know, right?, Monday, June 16, 2008 9:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

but, they already did an utterly mediocre album together.

excited for this though.

but that Reinterpretations disc was far stronger than that 'utterly mediocre album' they did together (on which i agree).

and my bad, the title is the other way around.

listened to this driving around philadelphia last night, really perfect nighttime drive music. so much stuff going into it, too--jarre is a big one. michael shrieve. e2-e4. just a fantastic fucking album.

has he developed his sound at all? i ran out of patience with all his shit sounded increasingly samey and boring but then that sally shapiro remix really brought my hopes up.. and this: jarre is a big one. michael shrieve. e2-e4 makes me think good things too

finally got ahold of this...and it's fucking wicked. believe the ILM hype! the new edit of "great ideas" (or something) is a bit different from the version that he was giving out a year or two ago, but it's even better!

how would one recommend going about getting a hold of this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=lindstrøm+%22where+you+go+i+go+too%22&btnG=Search

winston its still lindstrøm but way more proggy/druggy/scape-y. i think it definitely qualifies as an evolution--the closest thing i can think that hes done yet is nummer fire en (tho to be fair i might be saying that cause its the only other one as long as this one?)

grand ideas is the most disco, the rest are totally 'balearic' in the less dance-y sense

listening to this on the airplane yesterday, flying way above this incredibly bright wavy cloudscape and then descending through it into the rain was @_@

did i use that right

d@_@b

did you just call me a dweeb

no i drew a portrait of u listening on ur headphones

///0d@_@b

^^^ thats you on your headphones next to the airplane window while its raining outside

lol

i'm telling you tho, it was something else.

That title track is so... I don't know. My cup runneth over. Never been so glad with my 1,5+ hrs daily commute.

just before 7 mins into the last track is ALFJELIJFELIJl

Ohhhh, this is sooooo dreeeeeamy. ILM Hive Mind, once again I salute you.

i interviewed him and believe it or not, i kind of liked the album less after hearing him talk about it. it is very good--epic, atmospheric, groovin-- but i can't buy what he said about 'pushing the form' or anything like that. it's basically like Lindstrom doing a fantastic driving/workout mix, imho.

also, though i've mentioned this in the bobbins thread, i think that there's also a bit of jan hammer in him, more than i've ever heard before.

petition hp to release the yacht rock track we did

ya table i think theres a ton of jan hammer in this esp. in the title track

didn't realize 'grand ideas' is the track 'musikal overtones' used in the lindstrom & prins thomas essential mix from last summer until i heard it today

I kind of lost interest in Lindstrom (less so PT) over the last 18 months or so but I absolutely love this. It makes me want to get a train through the Swiss Alps wearing a pair of outsized sunglasses and an atrocious sweatband.

Can I just use this exact point of the universe to point out that the version of Boney M Down on Reinterpretations is the greatest thing ever.

funny, i'd lost interest in him too. but i got assigned to interview him and got the album, and was kind of floored by it. and despite what some think of as the 'wankiness' of the last track, i think it is totally awesome.

i must say, though, that i am glad i am done writing that piece.

so what Jan Hammer are you guys hearing in this? Miami Vice soundtrack? because i've been listening to a LOT of hammer lately and not hearing it. but i'm listening to his more fusion/pop/beardy stuff.

I hear less Hammer and more Cerrone (especially in the title track, which smacks of "Supernature" to me)

and how come my miami vice soundtrack lp doesnt' have crocket's theme. that's the one everyone seems to love, no? is that only on 12"?

his TV show stuff, and all of the incidental stuff he did for Miami Vice.

and Crockett's theme is only available on the best-of Miami Vice CD, and the Miami Vice Volume 2 (season 2) LP, which runs about 50 cents in most places, and also includes "Take Me Home" by Phil Collins.

cerrone AND Faltermeyer, methinks.

dudes this was also awesome driving through the czech countryside in the rain

i like (not being sarcastic) when ppl get so excited about a record that they start telling everyone what they are doing when they listen to it.

"I was eating slices of cheese and watching maury on mute ... this record is so dope!!!"

yeah, me too. i really liked sitting in Dolores park listening to it on a sunny day last week.

i played it in my kitchen while doing dishes, which was way more fun when listening to this than the new nas

That third track is the closest to really capturing the DJ set vibe - the first 10mins or so are all "you've been listening to West Coast a lot haven't you?" and then that slower funk thing comes in and it's like he's just effortlessly layered one record over the other. It's one hell of a moment.

it's loads better than west coast

Matt: rite!
lex: rong!

Flipsides of the same coin. It's all good.

Duh Matt, West Coast has indie vocals.

(still got love tho lex)

(I listened to Nivea's "Parking Lot" tonight and thought of you)

Carry on Rest-of-ILM - I haven't heard this album yet but desperately want to.

(Sorry T_G - it's not really cool to post whole albums here)

sorry!

Really great album indeed. I've been listening to this and the Alex Moulton for a week or so everyday on my commute that's almost exactly the same length as those albums.

jax 'crockett's theme' is on the volume one of pure moods

which is frankly a must-own

Can't think of much to articulate about this yet but I deffo like it, majorly for 'The Long Way Home' when it just *ascends* (deej said the same thing a while back I guess?)

i have zero use for anything I've heard from this guy before this, but i'll definitely be buying this album. after one listen i'd say it has some serious 'classic' potential for me.

i like (not being sarcastic) when ppl get so excited about a record that they start telling everyone what they are doing when they listen to it.

"I was eating slices of cheese and watching maury on mute ... this record is so dope!!!"

-- deej, Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

hahah totally

this record really lends itself to that kind of shit tho--its so consciously (esp the title piece) a 'soundtrack' joint that it makes the setting in which you listen to it really important.

the first record i think of when i think about music doing that is 'right here, right now' by fatboy slim

its not just the record in this case either its what lindstroms been saying abt it

right now i am listening to it in my kitchen posting to ilx

I am listening to it at work and it's making my copyediting SO EPIC

love that synth riff all thru the first track

ruh ruh REE ruh RAHHHH

this record really lends itself to that kind of shit tho--its so consciously (esp the title piece) a 'soundtrack' joint that it makes the setting in which you listen to it really important.

Oh yeah totally - he's self-consciously gone for the Trans Europe Express/Tour De France big widescreen travelogue soundtrack atmosphere, right down to the panting noises. But unlike those albums there are no concrete references, it's so evocative while devoid of actual connotations that you can project it onto anything and it just *works*.

Starting to think this might turn out to be the album of the year.

matt otm. can't stop listening to this, in its entirety each time.

it is basically all i have listened to since i've been in czech... except that 50 cent mixtape once and some sam cooke.

listening to this while listening to 50 cent mixtape yesterday, it was @_@

-- s1ocki, Saturday, July 5, 2008 2:23 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link

Listening to this while ILX Statistics Job Running. Possible slow responses whilst this job runs.

have listened to this album for the first time because of this thread. mind blown...thanks again ILM!

ilm :)))

listening to it while driving into the city at sunset across the bay bridge >>>> listening to it while taking the dog to the dog park

if this were your dog...

listening to this while listening to 50 cent mixtape yesterday, it was @_@

-- s1ocki, Saturday, July 5, 2008 2:23 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link

-- deej, Friday, July 11, 2008 11:16 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

lol

i was trying to figure where Lindstrom got the inspiration for those double time arpeggios that lead into the slo-mo balearic groove in the third part of the album and then i gave Michael Shrieve - Transfer Station Blue another listen... strikingly similar.

GUYS

i had another amazing listening to lindstrøm while travelling in the czech republic moment!!!

and it beats all the rest!!!

i was in a bus from cesky krumlov.. like just a couple of hours ago, and i was listening to "i feel space." i was thinking about that boards of canada video with the archival footage of the dude parachuting from really high, and about how it would make a much better video for IFS.

the sun was setting but it was kind of overcast with those glorious shafts of light coming through, all god-style. i look out the window and the sky is FULL of skydivers, at various heights, all descending to land in a field just up ahead!

it was GLORIOUS!!!!!!

how are you all hearing this? promos? leaks?

THE MUSIC CAME OUT OF THE SKY

mehlt, webmail me and i will send the album to you.

Nevermind It's soulseekable now. Normally I'm not so eager, but this seems like something I'd very much want to actually buy when it comes out, which is when by the way? early august?

Xpost, thanks for the offer though!

x-post When's it coming out officially?

August 18th. and by the way, all this stuff about him splitting up one long track into three is, according to him, utter BS. rumor started at SXSW.

what does that mean? that the CD will only have one track?

yes and it will be beamed directly into your brain from a zeppelin that he will fly around the world

guys i saw parachuters

http://jemima.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/jk_parachute.jpg

no no no. my language was poor-- people originally thought that the record was going to be one long track, and that the label and him decided to split it into three. not that way at all-- he originally planned it as three tracks that flow into each other quite well.

phew i started freaking out there for a sec

so glad he is putting this pernicious rumour to rest.

lol is the lol

where you lol i lol too

i can't find a torrent of this, got the promo/EP thing tho

Oh God, halfway through the title track, this is immense. Could this be (contemporary) disco's tubular bells?

p.s. e2-24 (While I feel the comparison is too easy, I do really think that Lindstrom is, and doing a great job, of balling up these grand epic pieces, like tubular bells, e2-e4, and perhaps even some works by Steve Reich, Philip Glass etc. and making something that would fit in well in the 70's but with a present day feel. Thus I mention it).

Actually, no, this doesn't feel very contemporary at all, come to think about it.

ok i like this too but lets chill a bit here

Is this thread still going? Liking this album is so June 2008.

j/k, linds.

where you challop i challop too

i aint got nothing to add except words fail the beauty of this *_*

right now i'm listening to bucketheads while reading the thread for the new lindstrom joint @_______________~

i was zoning out to this on the train and missed my stop today. F U lindstrom!

londoners: apparently he's doing an in-store gig at rough trade east on the 19th august

Excellent!

Is this actually out? I never know these days

+ at rough trade he's doing the whole album! it's going to be so rad

i think standing around in a crowd at rough trade watching him play this album might actually ruin it, it seems like the total antithesis of what it does so well

OTM

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I am going to sit by the beach in Portugal next week and drink very cold beer and listen to this in its entirety as the sun goes down.

I am going to ride a train to Kerala in 2 weeks and listen to this in its entirety

I am going to complete a full orbit of the earth and listen to this album in its entirety 300 times as my spacecraft traces the line of sun's rays creeping across the earth's surface.

we all fell space since the loft era and the paradise garage. I fell
space and universe every time music gets kosmic and synthetic and
shouts body and soul. Then from New york to chicago, over Detroit with gary numan's cars, italian and electronic european cerrone and
moroder things ... All the sounds are compressing and invite us to
gather, wherever we come from; that is all about with scando-med music. Travel all over the Whord by the extremities. North and south,
black and white, find out what common is between krautrock and disco
or the possible alliance of rythm. That music is utopic like the hippies were at least.Dreamy and psychedelic, background the Sun of the baléares and the everlasting scandinavian summer !

http://catsnstuff.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dude-wait-what.jpg

HIs trousers in the new Plan B. They're very, um... tight.

major swellings?

this sorta thing isn't usually my bag at all, but i've been playing the living fuck outta the promo i got. WOW, seriously - amazing "house." is it house? i'm totally outta my depth on the various modern dance/electronica genres and junk.

Totally not what I was expecting him to sound like. Kind of noodley and krautrock where I was expecting it to go boom-tish boom-tish.

Now that's the way to get me to pay attention to dance music. Have them dress like shaggy dronerock boys and reference Cluster albums. I may have to get this.

(And not just because of the trousers so tight I can see which way he's packing.)

i really don't like any of his other music, and after reading some of this thread i almost wonder if he meant to do what he did with this album - or if he was totally trying to do something else and failed miserably. either way, i'm loving it.

Surreptitiously addictive, and hence possibly my most played track of the past few weeks. Hoping to enjoy it on a whole new level once it's out on CD.

haha the last few comments make me think this is going to be the big 'crossover dance' album of the year, despite not being particularly dance-able

Out tomorrow!

*buzz*

I am going to complete a full orbit of the earth and listen to this album in its entirety 300 times as my spacecraft traces the line of sun's rays creeping across the earth's surface.

-- Tim F

actually low-earth orbit only takes 90 minutes

yeah but hes going the speed of the sun's rays

then that would be 24 listens, not 300

i'm trolling tim's kinematics because trolling the "circa 2003 outkast thread" response to this album is unworthy of trolling

Vahid you're assuming that my spacecraft obeys the normal laws of physics. Clearly Where You Go I Go Too has suspended these.

trolling the "circa 2003 outkast thread" response to this album is unworthy of trolling

Reading the recent contributions to this thread, I kinda sympathise with rap fans who loved SB/TLB but felt their buzz being harshed by neophytes.

"I have never heard this kinda funky funky groove thing before but it makes my body want to do something!"

im sort of more annoyed by the implication that lindstrom probably didnt know what he was doing

"god no way this established and well-known producer and dj has listened to enough records or knows enough about music production to make a disc that references krautrock and ambient music"

I really like this album but it's not like it's actually that far from what he's done before, or from what other producers in the scene are doing. Really this is about producers egging eachother on, I reckon - the first and the third tracks here feel like ripostes to Prins Thomas and Mungolian Jetset (esp. the Prins Thomas remix of Hatchback's "White Diamond").

this happens to a couple dahnce albums every year though!

xxp wrt ilxor crossover

Yeah true, but usually it's more like "I don't know much about the dance scene that this is from but I really like its uptempo pop toons", which is always a less annoying (because humbly oblivious) tack to take than "isn't it great how this producer has inadvertantly made music that stands next to the greats of 70s krautrock and ambient music" etc.

The first is distortive and reductionist, but the second is both those things and kinda condescending as well.

As odd as the critical uptake w/r/t The Field was, no-one (as far as I know) was trying to connect it to some entirely non-dance-music lineage in some kind of redemptive move.

yes i agree tim--honestly this is only a few steps beyond something like 'nummer fire en' or 'turkish delight'

thats an agreement w. ur xpost. tho i also agree with your second post.

those might be more self-consciously 'disco' though

"those might be more self-consciously 'disco' though"

Wait do you mean the earlier L/PT tracks or prior crossover albums?

haha the earlier tracks--turkish delight in particular

what about mighty girl, it's a freakin can cover!!!

s1ocki, what is the can track it rips?

Download version of the album includes a bonus track, Grand Ideas (John Agebjorn remix)

It's a straight (great) cover. Can's version is only available on their Peel Session, as far as I know.

Thanks for that. I'll have to do some digging around for it.

Oh my! Apols for distortive and reductionist neophytic buzz-harshing, but you can't help liking what you like, can you?

Um, I'm pretty sure we weren't talking about you mike!

today I did the Lindstrøm Listening Party for our ILM overlords, Paper Thin Walls.

Nice interview--your Betablog series talking with different nu-disco people was crucial. The PTW streams are so handy!

"The Long Walk Home" is really grabbing on first listen--I like how the production sheen/strong melody on that one seems esp. kindred to some of the tracks he picked for Late Night Tales (Rainer Bloss, Pekka Pohjola--both happening to be from the same year, 1986, fairly weirdly enough)...

the first and the third tracks here feel like ripostes to Prins Thomas and Mungolian Jetset (esp. the Prins Thomas remix of Hatchback's "White Diamond")

i mean i completely agree with the fact that the vein of nu cosmic disco lends itself to pushing the terms grandiose, drawn out, and seemingly self-indulgent with its compositions, but i think Lindstrom is doing something far more interesting here in refining his ideas while referencing past works.
the first track is clearly an elaboration on most of his current stuff out there (Nummer Fire En and Turkish Delight are perfect examples) but this I feel exceeds those both in dynamic contrast and sheer energy. the second track is IMHO his best dancey track yet that maintains its integrity as cosmic (Breakfast in heaven and I feel space were along a similar vibe, but i feel great ideas achieves this much better). then the third track is an obvious reference to Transfer Station Blue, i mean it's pretty ridiculous how much he takes from that track, and it turns out great.
but i don't think he is trying to make some kind of all-encompassing album that bridges krautrock, ambient, disco, blah blah blah... it's just the best lindstrom i've heard to date.

thanks, Craig!

while i think it does sound at times like a riposte to others mining in that vein, i pretty much agree with san frandisco in that i find the album pushes past all his previous stuff into uncharted territory. maybe that's why i always inverted the pronouns and thought the album boasted "Where I Go, You Go Too." it doesn't sound like "longer" versions of prev. LPT but like something else altogether. i also found calling it "house" or "nu-disco" sorta failed to explain it either. but then again, i'm not one for tags.

Does it really push into uncharted territory? The thing that really gets me with this album is not how self-consciously epic it is, but how it's at the same time very familiar and evocative.

"while i think it does sound at times like a riposte to others mining in that vein, i pretty much agree with san frandisco in that i find the album pushes past all his previous stuff into uncharted territory."

I don't think it has to be an either/or - I agree that Lindstrom is going further in a particular direction than he has before, and that what he's doing hasn't already been done by (say) the other artists I mentioned, but I think it makes more sense to see them all as using elements of the past to spur each other on to greater and greater heights, rather than to assume that Lindstrom is somehow excusing himself from contemporary developments and communicating directly with the past.

One thing I've been thinking about for a review I'm writing is that Lindstrom has increasingly gone out of his way to locate and seize upon a sound (or sounds) that is/are "transcendent" - that is, a sound so allusive of grandiosity and largesse and exceeding boundaries that these become a constitutive stylistic principle rather than a contingent achievement.

It's a mental shortcut - although not obviously wrong - to therefore describe the album in these terms as if this is an achievement. More precisely, what is impressive about WYGIGT is how the music sounds so effortless that Lindstrom can efface the boundary between transcendence-as-style and transcendence-as-achievement. As Matt implies, more treasurable than the album's grandeur - which should be taken as a given - is how it performs "grandeur" in a manner that avoids hamfistedness and remains intimate.

so is this where dude is finally villalobos'd? what is the comparable villalobos record where he became the name to drop

Alcahofa.

achso was the one where reviews were saying 'too formless for the club', wasn't it, i'd say that.

"he's pushing BEYOND THE DANCEFLOOR"

Yeah I think it was with Achso that the GOAT status started to be applied. Before that he was more like first among equals, though it was probably with The Au'Harem... that a lot of reviews started to read like the critic was afraid to say it wasn't a classic.

Also remember the thing about Alchacofa is that it was released at a point where micro seemed to be about to go out of fashion, but "minimal" per se didn't exist yet. Achso seemed both to ride the crest of the minimal wave while not actually belong to it wholeheartedly - perfect for disproportionate auteurisation.

Lindstrom's maybe at a similar point - when the Feedelity retrospective came out it was like "oh yeah we're familiar with this space disco stuff, isn't it on the way out now?" - whereas WYGIGT seems both to coincide with the current trend for hysterically overblown "balearic", while also (ahem) "transcend" it.

None of which changes the fact that Achso and WYGIGT are great albums.

expansion of existing elements seems a better way to describe WYGIGT, rather than pushing things beyond or fwd or whatever. i mean, whatever musical developments are present in the album which may not have been in the scene before are largely due to lindstrom's self-imposed concept, but it seems more like bringing latent elements to the fore than apecifically adding anything

don't like the idea that this is where he gets villalobosed though :/

deal

if you don't want him to get "villalobosed" aka more successful you are probably an elitist asshole

if you like the dude you should be rooting for him to become successful, and it's not even like it's coming at the expense of his art (cough cough lil wayne)

Jordan, Lindstrom probably is more successful than Villalobos on a lot of measures. I suspect Lindstrom's releases sell more than Ricardo's do already.

On my reading "Villalobosed" means: a critical consensus emerges whereby the value of this artist is in being an innovator as defined against the "rank & file" of, y'know, other producers making pretty similar music.

This was and is unnecessary and distortive wrt Villalobos and it'd be the same wrt Lindstrom.

ok, i probably should have gathered that from reading the thread, though i still do suspect that there is an element of the "wrong" critics/publications getting on the bandwagon

i guess that would be "critical consensus"

im mostly getting reactionary to what i imagine lex means even tho there probably is no reason to

Jordan the point is it's not about excluding the 'wrong' people, it's about people praising this record in ways that are pretty reductive wrt to the rest of the genre, if not downright dismissive and ill-informed.

yeah tim got it, villalobosed as in how people are gonna talk about lindstrom now, not in terms of his success (cuz villalobos w/his multi-platinum albums is such a benchmark there!)

though it's good b/c i do think WYGIGT is an incredible record and seeing reductive praise of it will force me to think less lazily about why i like it

x-post:

Disliking this development is not about being elitist - I'm not gonna cry into my pillow if Lindstrom gets massive but Mungolian Jet Set or Studio remain relatively obscure. What's a bit :-/ is the way in which the stuff that gets said about people like Villalobos and potentially Lindstrom soon, largely out of intellectual laziness, focuses on and celebrates the AMBITION AND DARING and the DOING OF NEW THINGS and the NOT BEING BOOM BOOM PARTY MUSIC. This is ultimately self-hating rhetoric: if Lindstrom is only interesting insofar as he can be distinguished from the spacey disco scene from which he has emerged, why should he bother with disco beats at all?

Similarly, there's a certain type of electronic music critic who will most obsess over Villalobos's least fun, least functional releases, as if this is ipso facto a good thing.

I'm not saying that artists should never try to do anything different or make stuff not primarily for clubs, DJs etc. Not at all. But it seems pretty obvious to me that, insofar as he is working within a tradition of spacey disco revivalism, the value of Lindstrom's work is always how he mediates between that starting-point and the everything/anything-else he wishes to incorporate.

Jordan I take yr point re the "wrong" kind of listener. Why I think Villalobos is a slightly different point-of-comparison than, say, Outkast vis a vis hip hop, is that mostly only dance music listeners get into Villalobos, but sometimes the way that some of them describe their enjoyment of his music strikes me as symptomatic of some unacknowledged guilt complex regarding their own musical tastes.

I agree with Lex's last point, the good thing about reductive reactions is that they force you to think harder. Yeah I think to some extent I initially took the attractions of this album for granted as well! Like, it's obv what "we" get out of it. When obv it's not obv at all.

FWIW despite a few comments upthread that kicked this off, I don't think this is really happening right now - possibly because the people who are reviewing this record by and large have a connection with the scene he emerged from. Where this differs from Villalobos/minimal is that cosmic disco in general is pretty dilettante-friendly and accessible and suitable for any number of listening contexts. It doesn't feel purely functional even at its most club-orientated and that will shape a lot of the debate.

is that mostly only dance music listeners get into Villalobos

huh, i wouldn't say this at all, am pretty sure villalobos is token techno album in many a record collection

btw off topic but have you heard the mungolian jet set vs mari boine single?? it is wonderful

So yeah if WYGIGT gets compared lazily and unfavourably to anything it'll be all dance music ever, rather than Prins Thomas or Todd Terje or whoever.

That said this is something that producers in all genres consciously and willingly flirt with whenever they drift towards anything more expansive or proggy and I see no reason to believe Lindstrom is any different here.

(xpost)

possibly because the people who are reviewing this record by and large have a connection with the scene he emerged from.

i felt this way about the press that the field record got

yeah i mean if you guys are talking about lindstrom v villalobos wrt the dance community or dance crit community at large then i'm for sure out of the loop

i guess i was thinking about stuff like 150 word blurbs in spin and rolling stone or european equivalents (or longer, but just as simplistic, reviews in something like the new york times), i guess they'd be reductive out of either necessity or ignorance, but i still think in the long run it could be a potentially positive thing for disco/space disco/lindstrom etc

then again, i'm not as invested in the genre as some you guys and i know i get reactionary when i perceive ppl to be wrong about lil boosie or something

possibly because the people who are reviewing this record by and large have a connection with the scene he emerged from

this is how i felt about the press reaction to the field album

"huh, i wouldn't say this at all, am pretty sure villalobos is token techno album in many a record collection"

Really?!? I can't imagine they'd listen to it much then. I tend to think rather "villalobos tokenists" have a fair amount of old stuff but villalobos is their sop to 00s euro techno.

"FWIW despite a few comments upthread that kicked this off, I don't think this is really happening right now - possibly because the people who are reviewing this record by and large have a connection with the scene he emerged from. Where this differs from Villalobos/minimal is that cosmic disco in general is pretty dilettante-friendly and accessible and suitable for any number of listening contexts. It doesn't feel purely functional even at its most club-orientated and that will shape a lot of the debate."

I'd agree with this matt - plus there's an ineliminable cheese quotient which tends to be inviting to dilettantes rather than canonists.

I think both villalobos and lindstrom suck eggs, but I picked up a Kaito record today which is pretty all right

tom you should try this record out, its not like most dance music, it sounds like krautrock

i find this hard to get excited about so far. it's nice is all.

seriously tho i hope that if this is a 'crossover' dance record (and we're talking crossover on a pretty small scale here) it'll act as a gateway to the more explicitly disco side of nu-balearica rather than as the record held up as the exception to the rule

yeah i mean if you guys are talking about lindstrom v villalobos wrt the dance community or dance crit community at large then i'm for sure out of the loop

i guess i was thinking about stuff like 150 word blurbs in spin and rolling stone or european equivalents (or longer, but just as simplistic, reviews in something like the new york times), i guess they'd be reductive out of either necessity or ignorance, but i still think in the long run it could be a potentially positive thing for disco/space disco/lindstrom etc

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:54 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

why would it be 'helpful'? thats like saying the 'yankee hotel foxtrot' of rap music was helpful to hip hop

helpful in that it'll get more people to buy the record?

deej, i wouldn't compare the visibility of space disco in the us to that of hip-hop

and sure, i guess some ppl got into clipse because of the wilco thing and just left it at that, but i guess my argument holds the (naive?) assumption that if this gets some press over here— be it reductive, whatever— and someone gets into the album that's never really tried out music like this that it might lead them further down the path of disco/dance music whatever and maybe into the outer reaches of music period, and i don't think that's a bad thing

i think its weird to presume that the goal of this stuff is some kind of crossover. in many ways its entire existence is driven by its weird dialogue w/ formerly mainstream music. the idea of this scene crossing over significantly is strange. i guess these guys arent opposed to selling more CDs or anything, but im not sure that the continued vitality of this kind of stuff would in any way be reliant on that kind of success

certainly not necessary in a creative sense. i mean im not opposed to my dad's friend buying the 2nd 'electronica' album hes owned since 'youve come a long way baby' but im just saying

im not implying that it's lindstrom's aim to crossover, or that he will crossover, what i'm saying is purely in reaction to/me playing devil's advocate to the discussion upthread expressing disgust about him becoming "villalobosed" at the expense of the genre as a whole

in many ways its entire existence is driven by its weird dialogue w/ formerly mainstream music

yep. the guitars on Grand Ideas sound like big 1980s radio rock or some blockbuster movie sdtk

while i find the discussion about how this album is received by the dance community, or rather the smaller cosmic/space disco community, and its comparison to villalobos' "transcendance" above his genre a few years ago interesting. I can't help but think that this is the least accessible of Lindstrom's work and the discussion about it being a potential crossover and getting a glimpse of a larger audience is totally bogus. The first track is nearly 30 minutes and it is not that different from his previous stuff! Yeah it may incorporate elements of popular music from the past, but I think all the recent "dance crossover" stuff is happening in nu-rave (unfortunately) and on DFA (fortunately), not in Lindstrom's most recent work.

i think its a diff kind of crossover. the strawman spin reader doesnt have a problem with 'difficult' music, he has a problem with cheesy music - or maybe even more so, has a problem with non-acclaimed music; its a kind of dilettantes thing where there is a central narrative and individual albums stand in stark contrast to the rest of their genre bcuz of their 'difficulty' or that they are in some way the full realization of the genre's potential, so they get scooped up in to a 'wider' discourse that doesnt really pay attention to the rest of the genre on its own terms

"my favorite albums of the year were by the clipse, the field, the bloc party," etc etc

(and to be clear im not saying anything bad about any of those artists, or anything about their music really at all)

is that really so bad, for ppl who dont have the time to spend on genre-exploring?

frankly i consider these people to be little blogger-reading hitlers myself

but seriously i dont think its bad for ppl to be dilettantes, i think that its more about the writer's responsibility when informing this strawman about the reasons this album is worth checking

there should be a "strawman's guide to..." series of music genre books

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JNNWCB09L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

cant believe this exists

i completely agree, i just don't see the potential. if WYGIGT reaches a broader audience because it is some kind of culmination of what has been happening in the genre for the past few years, that's great i guess i just don't see any of my dilettante friends checking this out. btw RA wrote a review I just read, but i think more blog-reading hitlers read RA than strawmen

there should be a "strawman's guide to..." series of music genre books

-- s1ocki, Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:33 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

rough guide does this

there needs to be a guide, "strawman's guide to max is a boner"

your mom would be first in line

oh i thought that said "max's boner"

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SJGQTH7QL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

ya but they would be called the strawman's guide

those are called the rough guide

to music

hay guys what do you think of this CD? its the best of jazz
http://www.amazon.com/20-Best-Jazz-Various-Artists/dp/B00016XNNE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1219168781&sr=8-1

oh i didnt really read your post and assumed it said 'idiots guide'

sorta ruined your joke there by taking it seriously, huh

best of jazz = one of the major jazz crossover albums of 2004

finally, jazz that aspires to more than the dancefloor

i also liked lil jon that year

i listened to best of jazz on a bus in the czech republic, it was dope

jean-luc ponty is on that disc

so is tony bennett :/

i left my art in san frandisco

indie-friendly cover art

no joke

lindstrom for banana republic

are there lots of indie albums with pictures of the artist on the cover?

no joke

seems like an un-indie thing. Same with not coming up with some stupid band name for a solo act.

'The Long Way Home' is kinda what I expect the next Royksopp album to sound a lot like

thats like saying the 'yankee hotel foxtrot' of rap music was helpful to hip hop

-- deej, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 23:47

The Long Way Home (Prins Thomas Edit)

distilled to dancier

at a local record store they've got this featured in the rack with a little sign: "how could you resist a smile like that??"

is 'the long way home' cribbing from something? parts of it seem very familiar but i can't place it.

michael shrieve's "transfer station blue"

oh that got mentioned upthread, sorry! i'll have to track that down, i don't know it (by name at least).

it got big from the harvey sarcastic disco mix

it also got big from it being awesome

big in my pants

...

thanking u

i agree with the people who doubt this will be a crossover album of any consequence. outside of music nerds with a soft spot for Vangelis soundtracks, i think it will come off as too long, too instrumental, and possibly too cheesy. i have a good friend who is stuck in the 90s and mostly listens to ambient "chill out" music, who i thought would eat this shit up, and he didn't like it because of the "cheese".

Hi. I am a dance dilletante/neophyte and I like this album.

is everyone still really into this? it never really clicked for me, compared to any of the earlier Lindstrom stuff. i can't really put my finger on what i think is lacking - there just aren't any sounds or moments that really stop me in my tracks, apart from maybe the drop on the last track. am i doing it wrong?

beats me, this album is still awesome. perfect late-night driving-around-town-for-hours music.

btw, i just got solicited for a 2CD version of this, anybody know what's on it?

the drop in the last track is the only mind-blowing moment. the rest is great but in a late-night driving around town kinda way. not a lot jumps out, but it is easy to sink into.

i was feeling a little burned out on this till i listened to it in the pouring rain on Kauai last week.

i haven't listened to it as much as i'd have liked b/c you need to set aside an hour for it really, but when i do i'm def still feeling it

i was feeling a little burned out on this till i listened to it in the pouring rain on Kauai last week.

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btw, i just got solicited for a 2CD version of this, anybody know what's on it?

dunno but i do know of a Prins Thomas edit of the long way home and a johan agelborn remix of grand ideas, maybe its a remix CD?

that would be awesome, but is entirely speculation, yes?

the existence of the tracks no, lemme find links but them as a second CD yes 100% speculation

oh, no doubts about their existence. links would be nice though

The Long Way Home (Prins Thomas Edit)
http://rcrdlbl.com/artists/Lindstrom/track/The_Long_Way_Home_Prins_Thomas_Edit

Grand Ideas (Johan Agebjorn Remix)
http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2008/10/22/love-isnt-a-four-letter-word/

i think the vinyl version is ALL prins thomas edits

yes it appears so on the vinyl, All tracks edited by Prins Thomas, except "Grand Ideas"
http://www.discogs.com/release/1498073

Tracklisting:
A Where You Go I Go Too (Part 1) (13:10)
B Grand Ideas (9:37)
C Where You Go I Go Too (Part 2) (8:40)
D The Long Way Home (12:41)

YES this is how the 45:33 vinyl should have been sequenced

album never really clicked for me either. just kind of bored me.. most of his stuff doesn't really do anything for me, though.

not to go all s/d on this thread but for me i'd be happy with

A Music In My Mind
B Limitations
C Alien in My Pocket
D Another Station (Terje Remix, I know it doesn't count)

From the Smalltown Supersound website:

Track 1, 2 and 4 on this bonus CD are edits made by Prins Thomas for the vinyl edition of the album, also available on STS153LP. Track 3 is a radio-edit made by Prins Thomas.

Still playing and enjoying this on a regular basis.

Indeed. I assume in time there'll be a proper remix double pack?

TT thanks for doing the legwork on that, duh. :)

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1909243188/bctid4440603001

nothing. disabled adblock and noscript, reinstalled flash and shockwave players, enabled all kinds of java crap, nothing. blank screen. :-(

I saw it. Quite good.

its lindstrom covering paul mccartney. better get up on that shit bfore the beatles sue

Oooooh, saw it too now (new firefox profile, meh), thx!

better than the album?

um, no.

Awww, bless them. Being Lindstrom looks like a fun life.

Nice cover version. "Where YOu Go I Go Too" was also a great album btw, but reminded me more of Jean Michel Jarre (at his best, anyway) than Macca ;)

Geir likes Lindstrøm???

of course

tickets bought for san francisco show Jan 31st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sooooooooo excited!!!!!!!!!!!!

Late to the party, as usual. But this is fabulous. Thank you, ILM 2008 poll!

perfect for glasgow to edinburgh train journey.

^ Shit, yes! Good thinking. Am going through east on Saturday, oddly enough, but will be in company of old buddy so soundtrack will be the talking of shit and the popping of cans.

you can double drop with the boredoms super roots 10 remix if you get delayed

i'm going to edinburgh on train en route to Newcastle on Friday so might try this.

will of course be listening to "Black Metal" by Venom on the Edinburgh to Toon part of the trip.

WYGIGT weirdly reminds me of this old forgotten french synth-pop number:

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it sounds quite a bit like an automat tune to dsico bloodbath boys cane

9 minutes into title-track = ^_^

sweeeeeeeeet

oh wait aaaaaaargh why does the bassline RESOLVE in the last 20 seconds of fadeout! that is like the one black mark on this album

that drops it a whole 1.9 i guess

goes from 8.7 to 5.4 iirc

oh wait aaaaaaargh why does the bassline RESOLVE in the last 20 seconds of fadeout! that is like the one black mark on this album

― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, January 8, 2010 12:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

What do you mean?

it settles on one lower note when imo it should continue cycling - conclusion is pat, infinity is dope ^_^

look it's not rly a problem, this album is pretty damn dope

For sure. I get what you mean. I'm hearing "II" for the first time now (the album with Prins Thomas) and this shit is insane.

I think the epic soaring Balearic journey-through-space-and-time shit is my sorta thing as far as this stuff goes*, but I'd be interested to hear more Lindstrom!

*Would be interesting to poll this album vs West Coast, maybe with an option on Alex Moulton's Exodus too although I haven't heard that yet

I think West Coast would walk that poll, but nobody would say anything against this album in the process. Exodus wouldn't even get a look in.

Now, WYGIGT v Lindstrom and Prins Thomas v II v It's a Feedelity Affair v Real Life is No Cool would be interesting, though the Christabelle one is probably too new.

I'm totally torn as to this vs West Coast. On the one hand this doesn't have Out There or Indo on it, but on the other, it does flow like a motherfucker, and take you on a coherently awesome journey...

i would take WYGIGT over West Coast, but it's vv close.

all lindstrom poll would be impossible though - i love them all so much for different reasons.

that studio album is nowhere near as good as anything lindstrom has done

west coast just sounds like those shitty 'funk' albums on factory that no one except tony wilson gave a damn about

lindstrom poll would be interesting for the debate but almost as hard to choose as the fever ray poll. he does too many different things too well to pick just one

no

LJ, listen to "I Feel Space" by Lindstrom, it's amazing.

xxpost I hate you

west coast just sounds like those shitty 'funk' albums on factory that no one except tony wilson gave a damn about

It's like Marcello but with less correctness.

Louis has it really taken you this long to listen to it? It's like the most LJ-friendly dance album imaginable.

Nobody recommended it to me! They ought to have done. Will be pursuing Moulton next.

Also, In Sides is slightly more LJ-friendly imo

didn't realise the scandobalearic house mafia were policing this thread. is it problematic that i like lindstrom and don't like studio?

the yelpy 80s robert smith vocals on the studio are distracting to me. never heard lindstrom sing. also lindstrom no matter what kind of music he's doing has a certain smoothness and perpetual flow to his music. studio have a jerky fractured factory feeling that reminds me of a certain ratio. it interferes with me trying to get my cosmic disco groove on like i'm being needled in the kidneys by those basslines when i'm trying to lie back in the sun

"Problematic" only in the sense of being wrong. If it helps you to parse, Marcello's always been king of the "I was there the first time and saw through it even then" dismissals. Though he might add some allusion to actually telling Tony Wilson as much.

I like yr imagery in that last post, kidneys etc.

(and "wrong" only in the sense of "my mileage varies substantially", obv)

the yelpy 80s robert smith vocals on the studio are distracting to me

definitely - though i love studio in their non-vocal moments (that d.lissvik solo album was better than west coast, i thought)

studio have a jerky fractured factory feeling that reminds me of a certain ratio

not hearing this at all

so many varieties of rong in only 2 posts

OMG this album. I have no idea why I missed it for so long, but so glad for finding a used copy the other night. This is so so so great. Wishing I'd have had more time to import the bonus disc of the Prins Thomas edits though, I want more.

Going on a train right across the Alps in a couple of months, might have to dig this out again.

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we all fell space since the loft era and the paradise garage. I fell
space and universe every time music gets kosmic and synthetic and
shouts body and soul. Then from New york to chicago, over Detroit with gary numan's cars, italian and electronic european cerrone and
moroder things ... All the sounds are compressing and invite us to
gather, wherever we come from; that is all about with scando-med music. Travel all over the Whord by the extremities. North and south,
black and white, find out what common is between krautrock and disco
or the possible alliance of rythm. That music is utopic like the hippies were at least.Dreamy and psychedelic, background the Sun of the baléares and the everlasting scandinavian summer !

-- laure oth, Friday, 16 September 2005 11:51 (2 years ago) Link

bears repeating

i fell space and universe = chop world down w/ kosmische feels

love this fucking album

if you're looking for a different experience check out the LP - quite different edits and cool in its own right.

Universe?

Inspired by this thread, I just copped the vinyl for $10 on eBay. Looking forward to blissing out to it!

damn, i never find good deals on eBay. I should try harder I think. anyway, i bought this on vinyl too and it's a great listen.

the title-track especially has aged so exquisitely

It’s magical, one of my favorite songs ever.

“grand ideas” is still so thrilling