Gaucho Poll

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I expect the first 3 tracks to dominate.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Gaucho 18
Babylon Sisters 17
Hey Nineteen 7
Glamour Profession 6
Time Out of Mind 6
My Rival 1
Third World Man1


ablaeser, Sunday, 13 July 2008 03:00 (seventeen years ago)

Hey Nineteen

groovemaaan, Sunday, 13 July 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

Gaucho, taken as a whole album, is better than the sum of its parts, making a poll like this difficult. Having said that, Hey 19 gets my nostalgia vote as the first Steely Dan song to make an impression on me growing up. It also nails that world-weary, too-slick/polished, creepy, sort-of passionless vibe of the disc better than anything else on it.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 13 July 2008 10:43 (seventeen years ago)

"Glamour Profession" on a whim. Really strongly tempted to vote for the title track.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 13 July 2008 10:48 (seventeen years ago)

"One more expensive kiss-off, who do you think I am..."

Arghn, Sunday, 13 July 2008 12:30 (seventeen years ago)

The title track, narrowly over "Hey Nineteen" and "Third World Man."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 13 July 2008 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

Hey Nineteen or Gaucho or the guitar solo on Third World Man. Haven't decided yet.

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 13 July 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

only SD poll I didn't have to think about for more than 2 seconds, Babylon Sisters all the way

some dude, Sunday, 13 July 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

otm

Zeno, Sunday, 13 July 2008 16:14 (seventeen years ago)

Several months back, I would have picked Babylon Sisters with no hesitation. But lately, I've really been feeling the title track. Love that swishing, chiming synth pad that sneaks in during the chorus. Really, every song on this album is great.

Moodles, Sunday, 13 July 2008 22:38 (seventeen years ago)

Really, every song on this album is great.

otm times a billion

HI DERE, Sunday, 13 July 2008 23:11 (seventeen years ago)

I'm constantly amazed at how smooth Glamour Profession is while naigating through the ups and downs of a truly complex chord progression. Each bar enters a slightly altered mood from the last. And the horns have the sleaziness of a really cheap horror film.

Moodles, Sunday, 13 July 2008 23:56 (seventeen years ago)

"you got to shake it baby,you got to shake it..."

drone/a/sore, Monday, 14 July 2008 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

Babylon Sisters all the way

baaderonixx, Monday, 14 July 2008 09:00 (seventeen years ago)

only song I don't really love on here is 'my rival'. could almost vote for 'hey nineteen' or 'gaucho,' but I totally have to go with 'babylon sisters'. this album is the ultimate dan grower.

original bgm, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I always skip "My Rival"

baaderonixx, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:17 (seventeen years ago)

It's the last song I "got." It's all about the backing vocals.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)

for me it was between time out of mind and gaucho aka "jackin' for chords" and I had to go with the latter for its gorgeous development. but the time change in "time out of mind," Jesus Christ. the only album I know of where a twenty-year break seems like the band's only logical response.

J0hn D., Monday, 14 July 2008 15:51 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, everything about "Gaucho" is so well-developed. I mentioned on the other thread that I can't think of any song with such subtly deployed irony; Fagen's confidence is such that I can't disentangle the contempt for the Gaucho and his self-identification.

For years I couldn't figure out what the backing vocals were saying when they took over on the chorus (nearly drowning out Fagen, which is another great tactic).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

*FROM his self-identification.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 14 July 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

I am sure we've already done this, but it still is "Babylon Sisters"

Geir Hongro, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:42 (seventeen years ago)

voted title track, but it wasn't easy. first three are pretty hard to top -- not just w/r/t to Gaucho, but SD's entire catalog.

will, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:46 (seventeen years ago)

Voted Babylon Sisters

iago g., Monday, 14 July 2008 19:49 (seventeen years ago)

Like the rest of ILM, I feel this is the most underrated Steely Dan album. While I still like "Aja" and "Pretzel Logic" better, the first three tracks here are downright fantastic. But I still come back to "Babylon Sisters" because it has some fantastic chords and chord changes, and is also possibly the ultimate hi-fi classic among the Steely Dan tracks.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

you gotta give Geir an OTM when he's OTM: I've sat down with the sheet music to "Babylon Sisters," and those changes are fucking CHOICE.

J0hn D., Monday, 14 July 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)

Easily the title track for me (the glowing vocals of the chorus, fantastic lyrics), followed by "Time Out of Mind" or "Babylon Sisters"

Joe, Monday, 14 July 2008 20:34 (seventeen years ago)

title track wins it for me.

the table is the table, Monday, 14 July 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

It's the last song I "got." It's all about the backing vocals.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, July 14, 2008 3:21 PM (6 hours ago)

man, this is just a general steely dan truth! just saw them live and people were FLIPPING OUT during the "you'vegottoshakeitbaby" bits in babylon sisters.

original bgm, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:11 (seventeen years ago)

skate a little lower

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 14 July 2008 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

I have a theory that his rival in My Rival is Billy Joel, though I don't think I can prove that it's true...

Moodles, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

I can imagine Billy Joel stinking like a prickly pear.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 01:03 (seventeen years ago)

Good as it is, this is where they started to run out of melodies and had to settle for grooves instead. (But I have to admit I considered voting for "Glamour Profession" before picking "Time Out of Mind."

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 01:08 (seventeen years ago)

If My Rival was replaced with The Second Arrangement, this would be the best album ever, period.

ozbash, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:07 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, I like "Second Arrangement" more than most of the songs that made the cut.

some dude, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:08 (seventeen years ago)

where is it available?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:12 (seventeen years ago)

I got it off of some Steely Dan Archive site that appears to no longer exist, but it seems to be out there on bootlegs as much as any other SD outtakes/demos.

some dude, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:18 (seventeen years ago)

I'll leave my Soulseek on tonight if anyone wants it

iago g., Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:37 (seventeen years ago)

I forgot to mention that I voted for "Hey Nineteen." I'm surprised by the love for the title track, which I find a little boring.

ablaeser, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 23:49 (seventeen years ago)

my rival is pretty dope, i think. love the keyboards.

omar little, Thursday, 17 July 2008 00:00 (seventeen years ago)

it's got that great tinny synth solo.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 17 July 2008 00:25 (seventeen years ago)

one dollar used to be a whole lot but it hardly worth shit today

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 17 July 2008 03:55 (seventeen years ago)

2nd Arrangement is pretty overrated, I find

baaderonixx, Thursday, 17 July 2008 07:19 (seventeen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:01 (seventeen years ago)

I went with "Babylon Sisters" mostly because you can hear Green Gartside and his chirpers in the exchange "So fine so young/Tell me I'm the only one." Think maybe he got the idea for Cupid & Psyche 85, if not his entire career, from listening to Steely Dan?

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 19 July 2008 15:47 (seventeen years ago)

"Babylon Sisters" for me

Man I love the Dan so much

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 19 July 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

I decided to go with Gaucho, mostly because it proves that they were not out of melodies. That song has so many hooks it could make an album.

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 19 July 2008 18:59 (seventeen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Saturday, 19 July 2008 23:01 (seventeen years ago)

mostly because it proves that they were not out of melodies.

Keith Jarrett begged to differ.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 20 July 2008 00:06 (seventeen years ago)

whoa, surprising that babylon sisters didn't take this.

original bgm, Sunday, 20 July 2008 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

I am shocked that Hey Nineteen didn't walk away with it.

ablaeser, Sunday, 20 July 2008 18:46 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, weird that this is the first SD album poll to not have a single finish in 1st or 2nd place, and by such a wide margin.

some dude, Sunday, 20 July 2008 18:51 (seventeen years ago)

I went for hey nineteen but then what do I know, I heard this record for the first time about a week ago

I know, right?, Sunday, 20 July 2008 19:00 (seventeen years ago)

One of the most unexpected poll results I've seen here

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 07:36 (seventeen years ago)

Gaucho is the illest, but i am surprised, too.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:37 (seventeen years ago)

Where the hell can I get a decent sounding copy of "The Second Arrangement (full band version)"??? All the slsk version seem to be bootleg, they sound like they were recorded with a mic up to a radio speaker...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:07 (seventeen years ago)

::shrug:: mine sounds like that too

some dude, Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:08 (seventeen years ago)

I think they all do. Legend has it the master tape was accidentally erased

baaderonixx, Thursday, 24 July 2008 07:38 (seventeen years ago)

That's crazy. I was hoping it would have turned up by now on some 'deluxe' reissue. It's such an amazing song. Surely SOMEONE made a backup way back then?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

the version of "the second arrangement" that I have sounds OK but just has vox+bass+piano+little electric piano flourishes. is there another version out the with the full band that's poorly recorded? confusing.

listening to steely dan bootlegs is a little weird for me. the pristine production is such a huge part of their sound that it really throws me off!

original bgm, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:50 (seventeen years ago)

It's a shame, it seems like there's potential for a great compilation of SD demos and studio outtakes and songs that only exist on live bootlegs, but given their perfectionism and embarrassment about the sound on Katy Lied that kind of thing would probably never happen in any official capacity.

xpost - the "Second Arrangement" I have is full band.

some dude, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

OK, just did some research. Apparently, the relatively widely circulated 'full band' version (the only one I've heard!) was their attempt to RE-record the track that got erased by the engineer. This raises sme questions, most obviously, if it was re-recorded, how come the "sound" on this second version is still such poor quality? The version we're probably all hearing is likely a nth generation bootleg, digitized to sound even worse.

I understand the original take is gone, but can't we get a decent sounding version of this re-recorded version??

Also - what's this about another version sans drums?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:57 (seventeen years ago)

I hate that "Everyone's Gone To The Movies" demo on the Citizen box, but at least its placement on that gives me hope that they're open to more official releases of that stuff.

some dude, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:59 (seventeen years ago)

I don't like to imagine a band like SD leaving demos around. How messy!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 July 2008 17:00 (seventeen years ago)

Also - what's this about another version sans drums?

yeah, that's the only one I've ever known. it sounds nothing like this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VRSU59uxi1U

...which is what I'm assuming everyone else has heard. I'll upload the one I have later. if that youtube clip is any indication, the sound quality is way better.

something a little fishy about the story behind this track...

original bgm, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:09 (seventeen years ago)

I don't understand the conspiracy theory attitude here. As I understand it back in the analog age before unlimited hard drive space, it was pretty common to erase and tape over master tapes of tracks that the artist had no intention of releasing, and there are tons of stories of studio mishaps involving erasing accidents.

some dude, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

And there's usually a very good reason why bands don't allow songs to progress past the demo phase.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

it just strikes me a little odd that the song was never properly re-recorded.

original bgm, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

has you browser ever crashed in the middle of drafting a long post? sometimes you boot right back up and re-do it from memory as quickly as you can, and sometimes you just throw up your hands and say "fuck it, it wasn't that important."

some dude, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

Man I have been in a studio and had stuff wiped that I wasn't ready to use let. It's hard to describe what that does to your morale. You kinda never want to hear the song again at that point - certainly you're not about to revisit it during those sessions. Finding out that something you tracked and thought you liked has been wiped is like being informed that your effort, your hard effort toward something lasting, was literally for nothing. So the story behind this track not only strikes me as believable; I'm certain it's true.

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 19:17 (seventeen years ago)

"...that I wasn't ready to let go of," I mean.

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 19:17 (seventeen years ago)

holy cow "related videos" yields another Gaucho outtake that sounds like it would have been stellar:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BtkHAdOZSaQ&feature=related

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 19:21 (seventeen years ago)

The irony of this result is that Hey Nineteen is a microcosm of what makes SD so great in the first place: a smooth, catchy pop tune with sardonic lyrics and perfect production, plus Michael McDonald.

ablaeser, Monday, 28 July 2008 19:59 (seventeen years ago)

Those interested should check out: http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities/ARsdgaucho.html

baaderonixx, Monday, 28 July 2008 20:39 (seventeen years ago)

alright I take it back, the full band version of 2nd Arrangement is seriously awesome

baaderonixx, Monday, 28 July 2008 20:53 (seventeen years ago)

has you browser ever crashed in the middle of drafting a long post? sometimes you boot right back up and re-do it from memory as quickly as you can, and sometimes you just throw up your hands and say "fuck it, it wasn't that important."

true, true. maybe this is more about me wishing they had properly re-recorded it than anything!

original bgm, Monday, 28 July 2008 21:29 (seventeen years ago)

second arrangement, sans drums (and most everything else):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/an8bsw

original bgm, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

Jive miguel
Hes in from bogota
Meet me at midnight
At mr. chows

calstars, Saturday, 21 February 2009 17:45 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

the finest of all SD albums.

surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:34 (fifteen years ago)

Alfred's repping for "Third World Man" in other threads has really raised its reputation in my view

dyao, Monday, 12 October 2009 04:45 (fifteen years ago)

five months pass...

thanks, dyao.

is this the ultimate Sunday night album?

filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 March 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)

yes

iatee, Monday, 29 March 2010 02:38 (fifteen years ago)

ultimate sunday night band really

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Monday, 29 March 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

I almost turned off the stereo during the title track -- too intense.

filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 March 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

i still don't get it -- this album barely has a pulse (and the first 6 albums very frequently rock pretty hard imo)

ruh roh I'm having a scooby snack (some dude), Monday, 29 March 2010 02:58 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, don't look for hard rockin' on this one -- all the intensity is in the intricacies of the chord changes, the way in which the rhythm section interacts with the guitars and sax, and Fagen's voice. It's an album whose virtues are difficult to proselytize about.

filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)

it's also hilarious - their funniest record?

i know what ppl mean when they say it sounds kinda lethargic tho. it's pretty impressively world-weary for 2 guys that were barely out of their 20s.

jabba hands, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:17 (fifteen years ago)

xpost

True, it doesn't exactly rock hard. All the edges have been air brushed clean and songs glide along on a cloud of coked up glory.

Moodles, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

And that's one reason why I love it so much.

Moodles, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

god, I love this album so much.

original bgm, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:09 (fifteen years ago)

and def their funniest record for "gaucho" alone.

original bgm, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

also -

it's pretty impressively world-weary for 2 guys that were barely out of their 20s.

this kind of just blew my mind.

original bgm, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)

living hard will take its toll

original bgm, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)

anyone with a big heart want to rapidshare or torrent us the lost gaucho and katy lied demos? would be eternally grateful!

iago g., Monday, 29 March 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

I got you on the gaucho outtakes, but it's going to have to wait for tomorrow

ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Monday, 29 March 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

thanks dyao! that's really nice of you

iago g., Monday, 29 March 2010 14:21 (fifteen years ago)

np

I imagine this is the kind of album you listen to in a lawn chair on your rooftop overlooking the city, watching the dull sun set slowly into the horizon

ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Monday, 29 March 2010 14:25 (fifteen years ago)

With coke in your nose and a young girl on your dick.

filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 March 2010 14:31 (fifteen years ago)

this record makes me never want to go to work again.

Wishes he picked a cooler name. Fat. (will), Monday, 29 March 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

My favorite Dan record. Has the feeling of a collection of short stories. Would've voted Time Out Of Mind or Glamour Profession, but there's really no going wrong on this platter and F U MY RIVAL IS CLASSIC.

Bonnie Prince Stabby (Jon Lewis), Monday, 29 March 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

bodacious cowboys

hobbes, Monday, 29 March 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

glad to see the love. my favorite dan too. can't really play it in the winter though

sonderangerbot, Monday, 29 March 2010 22:53 (fifteen years ago)

gaucho outtakes:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yd12zyjrjmu

would love to hear katy lied demos, hint hint

ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)

thanks dyao. if i ever get the kay lied demos, i'll figure out how to post them...had them once, they are really great, particularly "mr. sam" an amazing unreleased song

iago g., Wednesday, 31 March 2010 05:07 (fifteen years ago)

yo i found the katy lied demos/outtakes just on blogs via google search

bodacious cowboy (hobbes), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 07:44 (fifteen years ago)

http://greenalienchick.blogspot.com/2009/08/steely-dan-katy-lied-outtakes-rough.html

thanks, hobbes

iago g., Wednesday, 31 March 2010 07:56 (fifteen years ago)

thanks! didn't realize there were so many gaucho outtakes out there. (I had one discs worth.)

original bgm, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

CHILDREN WE HAVE IT RIGHT HERE

brad whitford's guitar explorations (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 23 April 2010 04:47 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

god, even the outtakes are gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Qpo4hxJys

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

lol at that vid btw

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EI3bPC4O8U

You're all off your nut. It's Pretty Purdie on the drums. Take a listen to the purdie shuffle. You done it...you done hired the hitmaker.No one but!
jupiterjazz 1 week ago

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

isn't Purdie nuts? was his'i played on 21 Beatles songs instead of Ringo' story ever mentioned on ILX?

piscesx, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

Wow! "The Bear" is awesome.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)

if you guys haven't heard 'second arrangement' ya prob should

iatee, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

yeah Second Arrangement KILLS.

piscesx, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

I heard it a few years ago, but I prefer "The Bear" for the clavinet and Fagen's vocal.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, "second arrangement" is killer, no doubt about it. and though I find the low fidelity on both of the takes I've heard charming, I can't help but wonder what the song would sound like given the pristine dan treatment. it really seems to beg for it - it just pops.

but "the bear" is a sparser, dirtier groove. I may prefer it as well, given the circumstances.

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

man, the riff that kicks off "second arrangement" is SO GOOD. love it!!

original bgm, Monday, 18 April 2011 01:32 (fourteen years ago)

I'll repeat: "The Bear" is terrific, especially how it builds to the chorus punch line.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 April 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)

it's true. gaucho has slowly worked its way to the top of the dan releases for me. but if "second arrangement" and "the bear" were on it too? damn.

original bgm, Monday, 18 April 2011 01:51 (fourteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

Alfred's repping for "Third World Man" in other threads has really raised its reputation in my view

― dyao, Monday, October 12, 2009

I never saw this post but am getting teary about it. Thanks!

I'm listening to "Time Out of Mind."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

Would probably switch my vote to "Third World Man" nowadays.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

I love this album but will always consider Aja its superior

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 8 April 2012 04:56 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

it really is mind-blowing that fagen and becker were 32 and 30 respectively when this album was released. the recording sessions began when they were 30 and 28!

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 12 May 2013 07:23 (twelve years ago)

eleven months pass...

glamour profession got fucking robbed here

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 5 May 2014 06:55 (eleven years ago)

it's been six years i think we're due for another gaucho poll

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 5 May 2014 06:56 (eleven years ago)

If you're gonna do one make it weighted

, Monday, 5 May 2014 07:08 (eleven years ago)

six years pass...

I'll have to give that title track another chance. I'm not a fan of this album (a lot of it feels boring), but even though it's the least of their 1972-1980 run of releases, it's still okay. There's some fine stuff, and "Hey Nineteen" and "Time Out of Mind" are great singles. (The latter was even the highlight of both Steely Dan shows that I've seen over the years, thanks to the addition of an extended solo from Fagen.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 16 August 2020 00:17 (five years ago)

Title track is my favorite, too.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 16 August 2020 00:21 (five years ago)

soon you’ll throw down your disguise
we’ll see behind those briiiiiight eyes

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Sunday, 16 August 2020 02:17 (five years ago)

Gaucho outtakes poll would be more interesting

calstars, Sunday, 16 August 2020 02:46 (five years ago)

glamour profession got fucking robbed here

― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 5 May 2014 07:55 (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 16 August 2020 02:57 (five years ago)

for me, the right answer is clearly track 1 or track 2

brimstead, Sunday, 16 August 2020 02:58 (five years ago)

two months pass...

I regret to inform you that not enough people are shaking it

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la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Sunday, 15 November 2020 20:13 (four years ago)

40 years old today

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 21 November 2020 16:43 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Man the instrumental outro of "Gaucho" is so amazing. It's like they heard the theme from Donohue and said "let's show that Mike Post hack how it's done" (yeah I know the timeline doesn't work out but I'd imagine the inspiration was something along those lines)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4SkB72XdA

J. Sam, Saturday, 27 August 2022 01:33 (three years ago)

lmao they do have a similar melody

mike post rocks though

flopson, Sunday, 28 August 2022 05:32 (three years ago)

the "my rival" guitar sounds like it got repurposed in sheryl crow's "my favorite mistake"

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 28 August 2022 05:41 (three years ago)

xp yeah no disrespect to Mike Post. For some reason I imagined Becker and Fagen turning their noses up at him, but on second thought that's a flimsy assumption; I remember Fagen talking in an interview about how TV music was a major inspiration for him. I would bet that he appreciated Post's work in a kitschy way

J. Sam, Sunday, 28 August 2022 12:57 (three years ago)

Basically "let's take this kinda cheesy TV theme music and make it super harmonically complex"

J. Sam, Sunday, 28 August 2022 13:00 (three years ago)

two years pass...

son you’re playing with fire
the kid will live and learn
as he watches his bridges burn
from the point of no return

invalid handel (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 27 November 2024 16:15 (nine months ago)

shake it!

invalid handel (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 27 November 2024 16:15 (nine months ago)

the end of a perfect day
distant lights from across the bay

brimstead, Wednesday, 27 November 2024 16:34 (nine months ago)

six months pass...

Really, really sucks how that second engineer erased "Second Arrangement." It would've been a highlight of the album and a much better closer than the outtake from The Royal Scam (which isn't a bad track but it does feel more and more out of place to me when everything that was recorded for Gaucho is more tuneful and accessible).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPXhTH7zGw4

birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 02:14 (three months ago)

it doesn't blow me away like it does everyone else. "third world man" is a really, really strong album closer.

brimstead, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 02:46 (three months ago)

I haven't posted in this thread nor did I vote despite running the artist poll. This would absolutely be "Babylon Sisters" and album is Top 3 for me. I actually think i overrate it objectively.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 03:02 (three months ago)

It’s my fave Steely Dan and “Third World Man” is a perfect final track.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 03:59 (three months ago)

Agree with brimstead. I reject the idea that The Second Arrangement would have improved Gaucho. The album is perfect as-is

J. Sam, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 04:09 (three months ago)

I wish I could hear it that way. I like the idea of something this dark closing and upending a hedonistic album, but whenever I've played the whole thing, it's never worked as well as I'd like it to. Even the guitar solos that some swear by leave me cold.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 04:35 (three months ago)

"Third World Man" is one of the all-time album closers.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 06:58 (three months ago)

gaucho is the first SD album i considered a front to back classic - couldn't imagine swapping out "Third World Man"

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 07:23 (three months ago)

I adore "Third World Man". I'm sure I have said this somewhere (though it appears not in this thread) but it reminds me of a Norman Whitfield epic.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 07:31 (three months ago)

Also I'm surprised and curious at the notion of Gaucho as hedonistic!

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 07:36 (three months ago)

This album was a minor revelation for me a few years back as I had always assumed that I was somewhere between indifferent and actively disliking SD til then. Probably would've voted for "Gaucho."

cryptosicko, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 12:30 (three months ago)

"second arrangement" would've sounded great on gaucho. if there were no format restrictions, i would've picked it to close out side 1. if i had to swap it with anything, it would be "my rival" which is a weaker song in a similar vibe (i still like that one a lot)

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:00 (three months ago)

Third world man prob the weakest link on the album for me (but I love the break)
Y’all heard “were you blind that day” right?

calstars, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:11 (three months ago)

Also I'm surprised and curious at the notion of Gaucho as hedonistic!

― Tim F, Tuesday, June 3, 2025 3:36 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

illegal fun under the sun

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:14 (three months ago)

Also: Cuervo Gold; fine Columbian; and a roller-skating 19-year-old hottie.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:24 (three months ago)

drinking Kirschwasser from a shell, chasing the dragon, they really cover all the bases

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:30 (three months ago)

Like a Sunday in T.J.
It's cheap but it's not free

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 16:23 (three months ago)

Also I'm surprised and curious at the notion of Gaucho as hedonistic!

― Tim F, Tuesday, June 3, 2025 12:36 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's super hedonistic, but depraved as hell, i am more surprised as the notion of it being just this bippy collection of pop tunes

brimstead, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 16:35 (three months ago)

depraved and empty (?)

brimstead, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 16:35 (three months ago)

Both “The Second Arrangement” and “The Bear” deserve a place on the album but the sequencing is a conundrum - I would only replace “My Rival”

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 16:54 (three months ago)

The Becker and Fagen promo pic for Gaucho is one of my favourite “these guys have seen some shit” album promos ever

https://www.instagram.com/p/DDkpcZ_SXt-/

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 17:01 (three months ago)

Bad boy and the perv

calstars, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 18:00 (three months ago)

"hedonistic" I can't co-sign -- "anhedonic" OTOH

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 19:54 (three months ago)

it's both? hedonistic as in pursuit of pleasure. isn't the third world man the only guy staying in his room? i guess the guy up in the custer dome too but everyone sounds high af in that song

brimstead, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 21:03 (three months ago)

Not just a room but a bunker. I haven't heard The Royal Scam in a while, but it wasn't a surprise when I found out "Third World Man" was an outtake - it shares the same vibe, including a dark streak of paranoia.

Johnny's playroom
Is a bunker filled with sand
He's become a third world man
Smoky Sunday
He's been mobilized since dawn
Now he's crouching on the lawn
He's a third world man
etc.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 22:42 (three months ago)

“My Rival” is clearly the weakest link on this album imho.

I think anhedonic is a perfect term to describe the record

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 12:11 (three months ago)

"My Rival" is the weakest song.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 12:48 (three months ago)

My Rival:Gaucho::I Got the News:Aja

calstars, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 13:46 (three months ago)

both good songs, just not at the level of the others

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:00 (three months ago)

I like My Rival a lot more thank I Got The News

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:09 (three months ago)

you guys don't deserve The Dan

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:17 (three months ago)

"My Rival" probably is the weakest song on the album, strictly as a song, but it still works so well in the context of the album. It seems to both seethe and whimper at the same time and I think that sets up the descent described in "Third World Man" rather nicely...

mr. milligan, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:20 (three months ago)

you guys don't deserve The Dan


At least they’re not cracking stupid jokes about them like the rest of the fucking internet

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:27 (three months ago)

"my rival" is probably my favorite lyric on the record

ivy., Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:42 (three months ago)

the organ sound they get on "my rival" is incredible

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:49 (three months ago)

I like My Rival a lot more thank I Got The News

this is the wackest take I have ever heard

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 14:54 (three months ago)

what can I say, I've never really enjoyed I Got The News, it's ok for you to enjoy it though

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 15:26 (three months ago)

I refuse to nitpick with Steely Dan, those first seven albums are essentially perfect as is, and sequenced really well also.

I personally think the thing with gaucho is not that it’s hedonistic, but it’s exhausted and tired, from the wreckage of ones past transgressions, or the fruitless pursuit of pleasure, or the empty fantasy lives which lead to dead ends, always on the outside looking in like some sort of impotent purgatory. Even the upbeat songs are tinged with that specific type of American paranoia which was probably most prevalent in the 70s in fiction and film and other music. It’s as if everyone who survived the events of the Royal Scam settled down with boring day jobs, and on the weekends tried to recapture that feeling that’s gone forever. Also like a lot of their songs, I think the whole album is wishing you could be someone you’re never going to be, or be again — thinking about the past fondly, except this time they’re not talking about girls they went to school with, but everybody they used to party with in their 20s. And the efforts to get back to where they were are simply met with failure, till they lose their minds and hole up at home.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 15:38 (three months ago)

the hugely emotional chord change during “answers for his crime” is the heart of that song, maybe

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 15:39 (three months ago)

great post, omar

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 15:40 (three months ago)

Yeah, great post. I was thinking neither “hedonistic” nor “anhedonic” felt right, and I think it’s because this album takes place on the trajectory from the former to the latter.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 16:25 (three months ago)

recapture that feeling that’s gone forever

It's interesting to think that the anomie of the record reflects how both Donald and Walter were apparently pursuing once-fruitful behaviours that were quickly going to become unhelpful in their lives, one through workaholism and the other through addiction.

"The Second Arrangement" is a relatively blithe way to end the record and their early career. I always thought that "Third World Man" needed a little of the relative grit of their earlier stuff - Denny Dias, where are you?

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 19:11 (three months ago)

Agreeing with Omar.

The characters on this record are experiencing anhedonia but are doing stuff that would appear hedonistic to onlookers.

29 facepalms, Thursday, 5 June 2025 13:02 (three months ago)

again, hedonism is PURSUIT of pleasure not ACQUISITION of pleasure

brimstead, Thursday, 5 June 2025 13:36 (three months ago)

Can’t believe I’m posting this piece of shit song to a steely Dan thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYrurkKKeA0

brimstead, Thursday, 5 June 2025 13:37 (three months ago)

xp

right, I feel like a lot of people in this thread are conflating hedonism with happiness

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Thursday, 5 June 2025 13:56 (three months ago)

this is an interesting distinction -- I do think when one imagines a hedonist, one doesn't generally imagine a person whose successful pursuit of pleasure is in their past. by the time of Gaucho, Fagen's narrators are in their post-hedonistic phase. Or, like, they're on the Unfulfilled Gross corner of the hedonism alignment chart where Fulfilled Hot is the Lawful Good in the upper right

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 5 June 2025 14:23 (three months ago)

hoops mccann is a hedonist, but the guy bringing him drugs might not be

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Thursday, 5 June 2025 14:53 (three months ago)

can't complain if there's Szechuan DUMPLINGS! now that the deal has been done

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Thursday, 5 June 2025 15:00 (three months ago)

Sauce on side!

calstars, Thursday, 5 June 2025 15:05 (three months ago)

actually (sorry for actually) I was reflecting on this discussion yesterday and thinking about my own feelings about the word “hedonistic” and in my mind it contains the seed of its own rot or something, like maybe it’s all that semi-Buddhist thinking I was brought up with but I always sense a sense of desperation and perpetual unfulfillment when it comes to “hedonism”. There was a post someone made about the Las Vegas country festival shooter at the time that stuck with me, how you could paint this picture of a miserable dude whose pleasure centers are so fried by gambling that he has to do something so awful to get his dopamine fix or something. That was hedonism to me. The “illegal fun under the sun” line in glamour profession evokes that to me as well, these people are not being responsible and settling down, they’re raising the stakes. Anyway that was probably a pretty problematic post and I swear I’m not that weird.

brimstead, Friday, 6 June 2025 14:59 (three months ago)

I've been moderately obsessed with "Time Out of Mind" the last several days and can't get it out of my head. It's not a song I would normally have put among my favorites on this record. And the overly long bridge would make Mike Post blush. But the hanging-in-suspension pre-chorus here--"Children we have it right here/It's the light in my eyes/It's perfection and grace/It's the smile on my face"--is positively sublime.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 June 2025 19:01 (two months ago)

https://i.postimg.cc/Twc8ZsdV/temp-Imagem-Vk0b-D.avif

calstars, Wednesday, 11 June 2025 19:09 (two months ago)

I am holding a mystical spheeeeeeeere

Davey D, Wednesday, 11 June 2025 19:11 (two months ago)

after the title track, “Time Out of Mind” had always been my favorite on the record

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 June 2025 19:43 (two months ago)

"Time Out of Mind" is possibly the most enjoyable track on this record - also has some of Knopfler's best playing outside of his own records - and for me it's usually THE highlight of Steely Dan shows with Fagen doing an extended solo, something he doesn't do on the record.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 11 June 2025 20:19 (two months ago)

"Like a Sunday in T.J.
That it's cheap but it's not free"

this line from Babylon Sisters is one of my favorite on the album. As a kid in the 80's we would go to me grandma's house in San Deigo for weekends in the summer and many a Sundays were spent in T.J. shopping and eating because it was "cheap".

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 June 2025 20:23 (two months ago)

Not that it was necessary, but the recent Lou Hayter cover of “Time Out of Mind”, and especially the Ashley Beedle remix, really underscored for me how indelible a song it is.

Also thank you brimstead, yr explanation of why you consider Gaucho to be hedonistic makes perfect sense to me.

I agree with the idea of hedonism always containing within it the idea of its own eventual failure - desire as a void that only grows larger the more you attempt to fill it.

Gaucho always strikes me as going for something quite specific: I’ve met people who have sought to circumvent or deal with the above quandary by turning their hedonistic pursuits into a kind of craft, such that they can derive their satisfaction from their mastery of those pursuits (and from being acknowledged for this by the partners or pupils in corruption) rather than (or in increasingly substitution for) the illicit thrills those pursuits used to afford. Those who can no longer learn, teach.

Gaucho feels to me like it really captures the vibe of that approach to pleasure, both lyrically and musically.

Tim F, Thursday, 12 June 2025 08:10 (two months ago)

https://i.postimg.cc/3R4rZYHf/IMG-2812.png

605 outside the stadium

calstars, Monday, 16 June 2025 01:20 (two months ago)

You had me all excited to hear this remake of “Time Out of Mind” but like so many of these retro electro acts, it fucks the chords up.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 19:32 (two months ago)

time out of mind and glamour profession are the king and queen of this record imo

duolingo ate my baby (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 17 June 2025 22:04 (two months ago)

one month passes...

wow that remix of Lou Hayter's serviceable cover of Time Out of Mind is ace.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 July 2025 15:46 (one month ago)

… except for the chords.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 28 July 2025 21:51 (one month ago)

Enjoyed this one:

François K - Glamorous Dub (Live Stems Mix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkVKUbRHxOo

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 13:13 (one month ago)


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