In retrospect, Eminem kind of sucks right?

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Right? He's kind of awful.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:08 (seventeen years ago)

Always thought so, as a matter of fact.

Oilyrags, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)

yep

Creeztophair, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)

now this looks like a job for me
so everybody just follow me
cos we need a little challopsy

jabba hands, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:26 (seventeen years ago)

smh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:27 (seventeen years ago)

Regardless of whether or not you acutally enjoy listening to his records, his talent for wordplay & (lyrical) cadence is pretty much indisputable (especially when he's free-styling, obv)

Personally, I would:

Search - His twisted murder fantasies & self-loathing introspection tracks; dis tracks

Destroy - All his post-Eminem Show output; His daughter-ballads, mom fuck-yous; & the entirety of his cheapo toilet humor (not that I don't enjoy the occasional poop joke, he just does that schtick in a particularly annoying way); Most aspects of his production style (the parts he didn't steal outright from Dr Dre, I guess); All his boy-band ranting didn't age to well, either, did it?

Again with the obvious but, if nothing else, "Stan" is a sterling pop masterpiece & even tho the lyrics are a bit corny, "Lose Yourself" just sounds fucking brilliant. Both are, and will likely remain, two of the more memorable hit singles of the decade.

Pillbox, Friday, 18 July 2008 01:52 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_myEtM24I

best eminem related thing

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:00 (seventeen years ago)

When did Eminem not suck?

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:17 (seventeen years ago)

Also, why the bollocking fuck is Eminem in my phone's dictionary but apricot, custard and bollock are not?

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:19 (seventeen years ago)

still gotta love the ems

I never meant to give you mushrooms, girl
I never meant to bring you to my world
Now you sitting in the corner crying
And now it's my fault -- my fault

Surmounter, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:20 (seventeen years ago)

haha surmounter is convincing

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:21 (seventeen years ago)

I wish he'd release a new album.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:21 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.freewebs.com/ajaxwidowmaker/Eminem_170154g.jpg

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:22 (seventeen years ago)

best eminem related thing

-- deej, Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:00 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JTgg7VulOY

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)

In retrospect, Eminem kind of sucks right?

musically, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:36 (seventeen years ago)

wait he dissed alyssa fuck him

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:40 (seventeen years ago)

well yes.. he's as much a guilty pleasure as something like limp bizkit. not the worst, but at the time he was absolutely the most overhyped thing in music.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:54 (seventeen years ago)

whatever like that song didn't rule your world

Surmounter, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:55 (seventeen years ago)

=]

Surmounter, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:55 (seventeen years ago)

he's as much a guilty pleasure as something like limp bizkit. not the worst, but at the time he was absolutely the most overhyped thing in music.

-- billstevejim, Friday, July 18, 2008 2:54 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is the part of the thread where i ask if you have sat and listened to any of the albums

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

uh oh!!!

Surmounter, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

I used to hate Eminem, but I've completely turned around this year...So many genius singles! "Stan"! "My Name is"! "Guilty Conscience"! etc.

I haven't heard the Slim Shady/Marshall Mather LPs, but I see they both have five-star ratings on AMG. Weird!

Tape Store, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)

i know, right!!?>!?

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)

this is the part of the thread where i ask if you have sat and listened to any of the albums

Are you serious? If you had friends between the years 1999 and 2002 or listened to the radio at all, Eminem was unavoidable. Believe me, I tried. (Although I have successfully gone without ever hearing Creed's "My Sacrifice" but only because I was forced to put my hands over my ears and hum other songs to myself while it blasted from bar jukeboxes or at other functions.. I'm sure I looked foolish, but at least I've never heard "My Sacrifice.")

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:12 (seventeen years ago)

I've heard the 1st 2 albums.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:13 (seventeen years ago)

You don't wanna fuck with Shady, cos shady will fucking kill you.

catchy

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:17 (seventeen years ago)

They call me Slim Shady, I'm black, I'm black.. wait, thats not what he's singing...

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:18 (seventeen years ago)

Forgive me if my hackles raise when you compare one of the best rappers of the 90s to Froederick fucking Durst.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:24 (seventeen years ago)

Like seriously, do you just hear them and your brain goes *WHITE GUY RAPPING URRGG* cause I mean in a post-"Jump Around" world I totally feel you but come on

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:25 (seventeen years ago)

Eminem didn't bother me as much as his idiotic fans did.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:26 (seventeen years ago)

Cold blooded.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:29 (seventeen years ago)

hoos don't stop the love

Surmounter, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:30 (seventeen years ago)

was eminem a rapper of the 90s??? am i that fucking old?

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:30 (seventeen years ago)

They call me Slim Shady, I'm black, I'm black.. wait, thats not what he's singing...

-- billstevejim, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:18 AM (9 minutes ago)

dang!

Lingbert, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:31 (seventeen years ago)

Sorry, I spoke without really thinking because I haven't listened to him in years.. Eminem now strikes me as an extreme guilty pleasure because every single from The Eminem Show and the last D12 album were just as bad as Limp Bizkit, and since that's his most recent solo material, it's what came to mind first..

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:32 (seventeen years ago)

# 1999: The Slim Shady LP
# 2000: The Marshall Mathers LP
# 2002: The Eminem Show
# 2004: Encore

answer to self: no

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:33 (seventeen years ago)

haha I meant Encore!!

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:34 (seventeen years ago)

fair enough xxp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:35 (seventeen years ago)

also fair enough xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:36 (seventeen years ago)

however many xs yall know wtf i'm talkin baout

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:36 (seventeen years ago)

what hoos is talkin baout: In retrospect,Eminem kind of sucks right?

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:38 (seventeen years ago)

this duder is shit in any colour

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:39 (seventeen years ago)

They call me Slim Shady, I'm black, I'm black.. wait, thats not what he's singing...
-- billstevejim, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:18 AM (9 minutes ago)
dang!

I always wished he was actually singing those words. Afterall he's the Eminem, chocolate on the inside, candy coating on the outside. Get it LOL?!?!

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:39 (seventeen years ago)

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahtthehell

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:42 (seventeen years ago)

Marshall Mathers

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:42 (seventeen years ago)

;)

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:42 (seventeen years ago)

maybe he's not really white btw ;)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:44 (seventeen years ago)

Oh come on, the "chocolate on the inside" thing had to be intentional.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:45 (seventeen years ago)

no you come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:47 (seventeen years ago)

I kinda love "Purple Pills."

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:48 (seventeen years ago)

Extreme guilty pleasure: that one thats like "Sometimes I feel like the worlds on my shoulders.."

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:55 (seventeen years ago)

Okay.. he had his moments. I apologize. I need to sleep now.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:56 (seventeen years ago)

wait is seriously nobody gonna properly rep for Em's mic skills with any weight? total bullshit imo

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 03:57 (seventeen years ago)

sure can flow FOR A WHITE GUY

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:57 (seventeen years ago)

ay j0hn:

Forgive me if my hackles raise when you compare one of the best rappers of the 90s to Froederick fucking Durst.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:24 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Like seriously, do you just hear them and your brain goes *WHITE GUY RAPPING URRGG* cause I mean in a post-"Jump Around" world I totally feel you but come on

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:25 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 03:58 (seventeen years ago)

Like dude is kinda a fucked up misanthrope and I wouldn't wanna kick it w/him but dude is an incredible writer too.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

he has like the most annoying voice of any rapper besides maybe talib kweli

and really i've never been particularly impressed by his writing, he's not awful but he's definitely overhyped...

that's not to say I don't like any Em songs, I''m just saying for the most part he's pretty awful IMO

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

word HOOS I was waiting for ethan to get right and school these dudes because I ain't gonna go linkin the encore review but e knows very well dude was fucking on point for at least 2-3 years

xpost yeah my opinion exactly

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

someone link to some of those "unreleased" diss songs

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:01 (seventeen years ago)

we need an eminem retrospective i guess because this kid was a fucking genius, literally

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:01 (seventeen years ago)

a fucking genius, literally

lol wut

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:03 (seventeen years ago)

what was so genius about him? this post came about because I was watching this vh1 documentary series "and you don't stop..." which they always show, and basically the last hour was dedicated to Em and what an amazing, groundbreaking figure he was and i was just reminded of how lame he is

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)

Literally

gr8080, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)

a fucking genius, literally

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:05 (seventeen years ago)

what was so genius about him?

rhymes

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

lyrics

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

flow

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

I mean he's not the greatest or anything don't get me wrong but for people to be "oh he sucked" I mean like only if you hate good rapping

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I can even understand not liking the content of his rhymes or his voice, that's whatever, but to deny his talent as a technician is ridiculous

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:10 (seventeen years ago)

not liking is voice = lol subjective whatever

not liking the content of is rhymes = lol youre an idiot

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:11 (seventeen years ago)

what content? nothing of his ever really spoke to me on any level

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:12 (seventeen years ago)

There's talent as a technician and there's not being like sandpaper to the eardrums.

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:12 (seventeen years ago)

I don't deny that he's very good at wordplay and stuff of that nature, but I don't see him as some sort of MASTER TECHNICIAN either

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:14 (seventeen years ago)

MASTER DEBATER. maybe

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:18 (seventeen years ago)

wordplay & his ability to pull it off was like 90% of his game

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:19 (seventeen years ago)

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

max, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:20 (seventeen years ago)

in retrospect, he's great, same as the first time around. so's Encore.

gabbneb, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:20 (seventeen years ago)

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:21 (seventeen years ago)

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

-- max, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:20 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

well, um, yeah duh.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:21 (seventeen years ago)

his persona is great. his weaving of textual levels is great. his pop sense is great.

gabbneb, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:22 (seventeen years ago)

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

"technical terms" = HE IS A GOOD WRITER WHO DELIVERS LINES IN AN INTERESTING FASHION

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:23 (seventeen years ago)

THIS IS CALLED "RAPPING"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:23 (seventeen years ago)

I'm too lazy to do it right now, but someone should link to some of those old videos of him in the final stages of various rap-battle competitions. 8 Mile having Disneyfied that aspect of his early years to the point where "the battle-rapping Eminem story" is somewhat groan-inducing, it is easy to overlook utterly he eclipsed his real-life opponents back in the day.

Pillbox, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:23 (seventeen years ago)

overlook "how" utterly

Pillbox, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:24 (seventeen years ago)

first 2 1/2 albums are classic. and i still think it was some of the weirdest top 40 music ever.

but we're at about the normal cyclical nadir here, 10 years out, so the timing of this thread is right.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:25 (seventeen years ago)

no, "technical terms" = ZOMG HE'S SUCH A MASTER TECHNICIAN, YOU MAY NOT LIKE HIM BUT YOU CAN'T DENY HIS TECHNICAL RAPPING SKILLS OBJECTIVELY as if technique is disconnected from style/voice/content/etc. Him being "technically amazing" doesn't make him a good or interesting rapper

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:26 (seventeen years ago)

Like seriously Brainwasher I'm saying: lots of strawburban kids connected w/Em cause he hated his parents and authority and tended to escape into fantasy like a lotta kids feel they're 15 and disaffected. You were never fucked up and 15? Good work. That doesn't mean Em's rhymes weren't acrobatically vivid.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:28 (seventeen years ago)

I'm out for now but back later tho

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:28 (seventeen years ago)

lose yourself was one of his best songs easily

i dunno if thats a challop or not but im thinking maybe it is?

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:29 (seventeen years ago)

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

-- deeznuts, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:29 AM (16 seconds ago)

I said that there are some Em songs that I like, his lOLOLZ waCKY singles liek 'without me' and ' my name is' and 'real slim shady' are cool for what they are, loved them at the time they came out and there are other assorted singles and deep cuts of his that i like but I'm just speaking overall.. I don't think he's worthy of the praise he gets and a lot of his stuff is kind of embarassing when you listen to it now even though it was cool when i was in 5th grade or whenever "my name is" came out

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:35 (seventeen years ago)

Wow. This thread is almost 100% wrong. Eminem is classic and his albums (though only half of Encore) still hold up really well. Funny, entertaining, catchy stuff.

Mordy, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:42 (seventeen years ago)

he's a good rapper but i don't like his music much
which is what i think a lot of the haters here are saying

Granny Dainger, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:43 (seventeen years ago)

always disliked Em's voice & flow

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:43 (seventeen years ago)

i hear those first two records as kind of out of like a zappa/beefheart (or kool keith, say) gonzo continuum, a lot of it still sounds kind of fucked up to me. "bonnie and clyde '97," "kill you," "kim," even "cleaning out my closet" (which is admittedly where things turned mawkish), it's pretty screwy. and the cuter songs have plenty of bizarro twists and turns too. i think his just plain weirdness is underrated.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:46 (seventeen years ago)

i mean, i don't listen to "kim" much and never did, but when i do it doesn't sound ... like fred durst.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:47 (seventeen years ago)

and i think it's one of the best murder ballads ever, but it's unpleasant to sit through.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:48 (seventeen years ago)

dude is easier to take in the context of 16 bars on a d12 posse cut than whole tracks where he wont stfu about britney spears and being famous and shit

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:51 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgg2hHHtAsA

^^^^ i ride out to this

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:54 (seventeen years ago)

i pretty much don't like him cause he's always got this ugh man i'm just so fucking troubled, you wouldn't understand look
http://www.stuffwelike.com/stuffwelike/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/eminem.jpg

Granny Dainger, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:55 (seventeen years ago)

Remember when Eminem was America's bad boy? Simpler times.

burt_stanton, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:55 (seventeen years ago)

burt_stanton is now public enemy #1

max, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:56 (seventeen years ago)

cheer up, doofus
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020520/103220__eminem_l.jpg

Granny Dainger, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:56 (seventeen years ago)

dude is easier to take in the context of 16 bars on a d12 posse cut than whole tracks where he wont stfu about britney spears and being famous and shit

-- and what

who gives a shit what hes talking about as long as he talks it well?

deeznuts, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:57 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhfTl43ZV-I

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:58 (seventeen years ago)

^^^ big lolz back when this dropped

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:58 (seventeen years ago)

clean up your room, marshall
http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/eminem2r2ck.jpg

Granny Dainger, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:58 (seventeen years ago)

what a shitty track

Granny Dainger, Friday, 18 July 2008 04:59 (seventeen years ago)

wil the real slim shaddy please stand up

burt_stanton, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:00 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxiAamcHa8

even though he bit this verse from royce i still fux w/it

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:01 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moMAorIEGXY

yall cant see me like ma$es eyebrows

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:02 (seventeen years ago)

classic underground ish with masta ace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdS4ln9N3vs

and what, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:03 (seventeen years ago)

When he's talking serious shit his flow tends to get stuck in this monotone rut that is far less interesting than his surreal, D-12ish stuff, which has a more fluid, free style to it (both in terms of flow and in wordplay/content). As his career went on he got more into the former and that got boring real quick for me. Those first two albums are classic though.

adamj, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:06 (seventeen years ago)

I'm with John and Hoos, he wasn't really for everyone but you have to give him credit for being a really talented and creative rapper. Comparing him to Fred Durst is lunacy.

adamj, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:08 (seventeen years ago)

At what, 10 years old (?), I really loved "My Name Is" because it was super catchy. I liked it again in junior high because I thought the lyrics were funny. I stopped listening to Eminem until now, at 18, and it turns out I adore it even more because a) it is catchy, b) the lyrics are funny and c) jesus christ, it's twisted. i always wrote the song off as a clever list of celebrity jabs, but then when i start paying attention to lines like "99 percent of my life i was lied to" it finally hits me that this guy is actually a much more complex person than i ever gave him credit for...Really interesting rapper!

Tape Store, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:10 (seventeen years ago)

You were 10 years old when that came out? I'm ancient. I remember selling blank CDs in highschool of Eminem's Marshal Mathers whatever in 2000 when I found it on some mp3 FTP site (this was just a little before Napster, that's how you did it... all on a modem). People paid me $20 for that crap; people also had no idea what blank CDs were.

burt_stanton, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:14 (seventeen years ago)

lol @ people arguing about Eminem in 2008

The Reverend, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:16 (seventeen years ago)

if you guys think he's just talking about michael and britney you're not listening close enough. and even when he's talking about michael and britney, he's sometimes talking about talking about michael and britney.

gabbneb, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:17 (seventeen years ago)

Finally, an ILMer that is younger than me!

Cunga, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:18 (seventeen years ago)

I'll say OTM to those repping for Eminems guest spots being (mostly) superior to his solo stuff - not so much for the D12 records as, say, "Renegade" or the 2001 tracks. His flow and lyrical abilities, outstanding as they are, are more palatably digested in limited quantites. That nasal timbre can wreak havoc on the ears after a while.

Pillbox, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:24 (seventeen years ago)

Rev let us nostalgicate in peace.

adamj, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:28 (seventeen years ago)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ksp113/FOX%20Sports%20Blog%20Images/Haterade.gif

Mordy, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:29 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhfTl43ZV-I

^^^ this is way more my shit than any of the singles I heard

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:30 (seventeen years ago)

wait Cunga how old are you??? I did not know you were younger than me

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:31 (seventeen years ago)

It's official Eminem is working on a new album.

It's been nearly four years since Em's latest studio album, Encore, but fans can now have something to look forward too. Dr. Dre's new protégé, Bishop Lamont, recently said the Eminem drought is almost over.

"Em is excited," Lamont told Entertainment Weekly. "He's been quiet too long, and he's got a lot to get off his chest."

While there is no release date just yet, the rapper's label confirmed that Eminem is back in the studio working on his next solo project.

Since the tragic death of his best friend and fellow rapper Proof, the 35-year-old rapper has been dealing with the grief and in the process has been MIA from the music scene.

However, Lamont says this new album will alleviate all that stress. "He went through what he had to go through, and now he's been able to take all the pain and stress and put it out in his music."

Stay tuned for further details.

velko, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:34 (seventeen years ago)

you 35 and you still rappin? UHHHHH

The Brainwasher, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:36 (seventeen years ago)

Rev let us nostalgicate in peace.

-- adamj, Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:28 PM (Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:28 PM) Bookmark Link

ha I did bump renegade after seeing this thread tho

The Reverend, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:40 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i1u8nyb7eE

J@cob, Friday, 18 July 2008 05:48 (seventeen years ago)

ha I did bump renegade after seeing this thread tho

-- The Reverend, Friday, July 18, 2008 5:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

for real

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 July 2008 06:42 (seventeen years ago)

he's destined to be the cyndi lauper of the early 21st century

m coleman, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:35 (seventeen years ago)

Best Eminem verse post-98 is on the "Lean Back" remix. Dude still sucks though.

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:36 (seventeen years ago)

looking at his list of UK singles now. first half is pretty unfuckwithable, second half is terrible.

blueski, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:40 (seventeen years ago)

15 consecutive top 8 hits tho

blueski, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:41 (seventeen years ago)

no one posted 'any man'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRR4atZvnY0

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:03 (seventeen years ago)

i always kinda liked this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSBcpj2-PY

this thread is making me nostalgic ;_; i feel old

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)

It's not that he sucks, it's just that that Nu-Metal, Frat-Rap, American Pie, Tom Green, stupid white American grossout thing got old very fast and really it was he who broke the camels back - more to overexposure than anything else. Listening to Eminem sucks right now because he's too recent in our minds, but in ten years time people are going to be totally on this stuff and "My Name Is.." and "The Real Slim Shady" will be revived as awesome party anthems. It's just the natural retro curve doing its thing.

the next grozart, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:10 (seventeen years ago)

You know, it's been a while since we've had a pop pariah out there, bringing about society's downfall. My Chemical Romance as suicidal inspiration just doesn't cut it. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF DESTROYING THE CHILDREN!

bendy, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:16 (seventeen years ago)

Unlikely because then they wouldn't be able to give away their new album free with the Mail On Sunday.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:25 (seventeen years ago)

They could give away Snakes on a Plane! instead.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:30 (seventeen years ago)

man I worked with troubled kids during Eminem's rise & high water days and I never saw anything like the bond his shit had with those kids

fuck hating on "kids' stuff," go listen to Yes

J0hn D., Friday, 18 July 2008 11:44 (seventeen years ago)

The hype was super-annoying & off-putting at the time, but he made a bunch of singles that sounded great cranked up in the car, so he def. did NOT suck!

Weird how long ago it seems now.

Pashmina, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:49 (seventeen years ago)

At first I thought Eminem was a kind of flash-in-the-pan joke rapper, like Humpty Hump or Paul Barman, and it turns out that he was exactly that, except completely brilliant (if a little repetitive).

"Purple Pills" is my favorite to crank up in the car.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:50 (seventeen years ago)

What do you mean 'in retrospect', he has always been shit. Plus he's shockingly the one rapper I can think of that sticks to all the rap stereotypes (aside from the half nekkid girls in the vid...ish) the violence, misogyny, homophobia...EVERYTHING.
I liked Purple Hills and Stan was really high concept.
They could give away Snakes on a Plane! instead.
I totally agree

VeronaInTheClub, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:59 (seventeen years ago)

i feel that the title of this thread is disingenuous

s1ocki, Friday, 18 July 2008 12:17 (seventeen years ago)

where's the "in retrospect" with a bunch of ppl who didn't like him in the first place insulting dude

s1ocki, Friday, 18 July 2008 12:17 (seventeen years ago)

You were 10 years old when that came out? I'm ancient. I remember selling blank CDs in highschool of Eminem's Marshal Mathers whatever in 2000 when I found it on some mp3 FTP site (this was just a little before Napster, that's how you did it... all on a modem). People paid me $20 for that crap; people also had no idea what blank CDs were.

Wanna work on your timetable a little bit? Napster was most definitely up, running, and quite popular before the summer of 2000 when Marshall Mathers LP dropped.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 18 July 2008 12:34 (seventeen years ago)

lol burt_stanton was out of the loop

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 12:41 (seventeen years ago)

When he's talking serious shit his flow tends to get stuck in this monotone rut that is far less interesting than his surreal, D-12ish stuff, which has a more fluid, free style to it (both in terms of flow and in wordplay/content). As his career went on he got more into the former and that got boring real quick for me. Those first two albums are classic though.

Damn, does this ever sum up my feelings about Em's career.

For me it was all downhill after SS LP, which remains a deranged, magical masterpiece (and always will be thus). Then MM LP dropped and it was still pretty stellar but he was getting SERIOUS (post-backlash defensiveness I guess) and so less fun, more bristling. Then EM SHOW came out. I totally hate that record save maybe "White America" and :"Business" and maybe one other song. Never listen to it because it's so dire and crossover and whatever, it's where Middle America at Large got behind Shady like "hey, this guy's not so terrible after all, maybe it's okay for lil Erica and Eric to listen to him, etc." (I mean, just thinking about that album right now's getting me mad) ENCORE was a total mess but it's my second favorite Em album because it's him not giving half a fuck (the majority) while at the same time really giving one ("Mosh").

Hopefully he comes back strong with some new subject matter - I'm seriously sick of hearing about his family and how critics hate him, etc. I wish he'd rap about his more recent problems with the same trippy acidity of yore, you know?

Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

loved eminem back then but he was very much of his time i guess, i don't think i've actively wanted to listen to one of his songs in years. it's embarrassing that he was my gateway to hip-hop, once i really got to know the genre i think i realised he wasn't all that special in its context.

lex pretend, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:39 (seventeen years ago)

wonder which borad that'll be quoted on

blueski, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:40 (seventeen years ago)

none

lex pretend, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:41 (seventeen years ago)

I wouldn't think that would be embarrassing at all! Dude was a huge crossover success; there are going to be a ton of people who found their way into hi-hop via him.

HI DERE, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:42 (seventeen years ago)

yeah i know, it's just a bit of a cliché, plus it's still lame that hip-hop's biggest crossover success (in the uk at least) had to come with the white dude who may as well have been rock half the time.

lex pretend, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

it's probably more lame to be one of the people who loved eminem but didn't get into hip-hop as a genre though

lex pretend, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

haha that I agree with 100%

HI DERE, Friday, 18 July 2008 13:49 (seventeen years ago)

re question: Compared to what?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:21 (seventeen years ago)

once i really got to know the genre i think i realised he wasn't all that special in its context.

i think this depends on what you mean. it's true that there were a lot of people talking about "flow" and "internal rhymes" like he'd invented them or something. (and on the flow count especially, he got better and less stilted -- i'm thinking "business," say, compared to "just don't give a fuck" -- but he's never been the most fluid guy.) but in terms of his persona, his obsessions, his whole demented-cartoon thing, i think he's pretty well his own thing. the idea that he was just taking run-of-the-mill hip-hop stuff and giving it a peroxide bath i think seriously undersells his imagination.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:25 (seventeen years ago)

(and i'm not putting down "just don't give a fuck," he made the cartoony stilted cadences work for his own purposes.)

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:26 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4J-xFMO-vM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eminem

am0n, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

arrested development > am0n

gabbneb, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

kd lang = gabbneb

am0n, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:09 (seventeen years ago)

pff eminem wuz great before he started takin himself so srsly. bonnie n clyde man bonnie n clyde

Pooping Christ, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:15 (seventeen years ago)

in retrospect, eminem was pretty good, pretty overrated and unfairly hated, all at once

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)

calling his albums 'masterpieces' always sounds ridiculous. they were just as flawed as any records put out by rappers that folks around here ignore

deej, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:22 (seventeen years ago)

I think deej is pretty much on it, here. I loathe him but recognize his talent, I just think he mostly wasted it - but I'm a cornie indie rap fuxxor. Which for me means I hate his voice and never was feeling Dre's Chronic 2001 and after production.

Oilyrags, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:52 (seventeen years ago)

Feel free to point out that I think Talib Kweli used to be really, really good and therefore my opinions are null and void.

Oilyrags, Friday, 18 July 2008 15:53 (seventeen years ago)

never liked much of his stuff and found the critical fawning and fanbase annoying. I guess a few of his singles are okay ("My Name Is", for ex.). But "Stan"? fuck that shit

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:12 (seventeen years ago)

can a mod please add "i'm white btw" to every post on this thread

n/a, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

you 35 and you still rappin? UHHHHH

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, July 18, 2008 12:36 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

J0rdan S., Friday, 18 July 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)

i always thought the marilyn manson of rap cult that surrounded him was wacky as fuck and good for lols but you can stack these 6 up with any consecutive 6 singles by any artist this decade and that's more than enough for me

"My Name Is"
"Guilty Conscience" (feat. Dr. Dre)
"Bitch Please II" (feat. Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit, & Nate Dogg)
"The Real Slim Shady"
"The Way I Am"
"Stan" (feat. Dido)

J0rdan S., Friday, 18 July 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)

Bitch Please II is so amazing

Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:28 (seventeen years ago)

cuz you don't really wanna fuck with me
only nigga that i trust is me
fuck around and make me bust this heat........

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:28 (seventeen years ago)

You got the munchies
Look at you, junk-food junkie
Potato chips and lunchmeat
Up in the front seat

Eazy, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)

can a mod please add "i'm white btw" to every post on this thread

uh

HI DERE, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:38 (seventeen years ago)

just a bit of fun, be cool

n/a, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

alternately: jokes, bruv

n/a, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

I like Eminem, but I also like Princess Superstar...

Ask me a question, I love to lie, hey look girl is that Jimi Hendrix?
'Scuse me while I kiss your guy
Everyone tells me I'm the female Eminem, well all I'm gonna talk about is getting fucked up the ass then
Don't be mad Em I'm just playin, I wish I had a Dr. Dre and sold out shows,
One million white faces in Dayton

Finefinemusic, Friday, 18 July 2008 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, is there ever some crazy talk on this thread, especially early on. Thanks to HOOS, deeznuts, John D., and gabbneb, et al, for righting the ship.

the best stuff on Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and a few later tracks ("My Dad's Gone Crazy") was dense, funny, smart,conflicted, and fascinating then and no different now.

I mean, Marshall Mathers LP is surefire Album of the Decade contender.

Hubie Brown, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:12 (seventeen years ago)

Whoa I tried to read this thread but it got a bit long. Crazy stuff in here.

I always liked Em's voice, it's got way more character and appeal to me than a lotta rappers out there. His flows are great. The hooks are obnoxious, he's totally snotty, beats are catchy and often sorta ridiculous...I think he's awesome.

A scattershot of otms for j0hn, hoos, neb, nuts, (like Hubie was sayin)

RabiesAngentleman, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)

i don't got that bad of a mouth do I
fuck shit ass bitch cunt shoobadeedoowhop
Ohh, skibadeebeebop, christopher reeves
sonny bono, skis, horses, and hittin some trees....

awesome album

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:18 (seventeen years ago)

The guy's a character and massively entertaining.

RabiesAngentleman, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

"You know why Dre's record was so successful? He's rapping about big-screen TVs, blunts, 40s, and bitches. You're rapping about homosexuals and Vicodin. I can't sell this shit."

Hubie Brown, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)

My English teacher wanted TO DEFLONT ME IN JUNIOR HIGH
THANKS ALONT NEXT SEMESTER I WILL BE 35

usic, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:33 (seventeen years ago)

JAZZ HANDS!
http://www.thewhitepapers.com/eminem%20-%20not%20so%20fast.jpg

velko, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)

Then EM SHOW came out. I totally hate that record save maybe "White America" and :"Business" and maybe one other song.

Square Dance is one of my faves of his

otm tho, rest of that album kinda sux

dmr, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)

loved his diss tracks on the Source and Benzino during that whole feud

"The Sauce" and uh what was the other one. forgot the title

dmr, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:40 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZuiKr85Vs

dmr, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:41 (seventeen years ago)

what's that image in white america about being surrounded or something that really cut deep
\

M<UY BRAINES DEAD WEIGHT I"M TRYIN T KEEP MY HEAD STREAIGHT BUT I CAN"T FIGURE OUT WHICH SPICE GIRL I WANTT EMPREGNATE
QWELL SINCE ZGGE !@ I THOGUHT I WAS SOMEKON E ELSE O I HUNG MY ORIGINAL SSEPCLG FROM THE CTO{ BUNK WITH A BELT
?????
EXTREA YRERREDYIASL KILLING PEDESTRIANS RAPING LESBIANS WHILE THE&YRE SCRESAMING "LETS JUST BE FRIENSD!!!!!!!!!!!!:" symopatyhikze

usic, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

can a mod please add "i'm white btw" to every post on this thread

uh pt 2

lex pretend, Friday, 18 July 2008 17:53 (seventeen years ago)

emineddie murphy

usic, Friday, 18 July 2008 18:00 (seventeen years ago)

oh, how did i forget "square dance"? that was great.

the "without me" video was total lolz, esp. when he's dressed like osama and the d12 dudes are chasing him around...

Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 18 July 2008 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

"Stan" and all the foofaw around it was great entertainment

Dr Morbius, Friday, 18 July 2008 19:25 (seventeen years ago)

"fuck that, take drugs, rape sluts, make fun of gay clubs, men who wear makeup...."

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 19:31 (seventeen years ago)

I didn't realize that people actually, sincerely liked "Square Dance" before today.

HI DERE, Friday, 18 July 2008 19:34 (seventeen years ago)

"You learn something new every day."

Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 18 July 2008 19:38 (seventeen years ago)

I was reaaaaaaaaally let down by The Eminem Show. I'm not against the "silly rapper decides to become more serious" album, but it really didn't sound like Eminem was up to the task. Not to mention the beats become more overdramatic and his meter was more subdued and predictable.

I did like "Soldier" a lot from that one, though. Really in my eyes, just buy Slim shady lp and Marshall Mathers LP

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 19:43 (seventeen years ago)

My Dad's Gone Crazy and Square Dance are the best tracks on The Eminem Show. Encore is a better album.

gabbneb, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:22 (seventeen years ago)

i only pay attention when he's (ostnesibly) funny - my name is, without me, guilty conscience, real slim shady

will, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:29 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

HE SUCKS.

Pitchfork.com, a music recommendation Web site (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 16 October 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

he's no tech n9ne.

scott seward, Saturday, 16 October 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

loved Eminem's stuff back in the day, but now I know why they call it windowpane

markers, Saturday, 16 October 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

actually, I probably would still like his older singles

markers, Saturday, 16 October 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

bitch please pt II still ownez

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 October 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PANEcjhSfv4

j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Saturday, 16 October 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)

He sucks now. The Slim Shady LP is classic.

The Brand Most Dentists Smoke... (Viceroy), Saturday, 16 October 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XIoXLQUbvs

scott seward, Saturday, 16 October 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD10kWdwxjs

scott seward, Saturday, 16 October 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)

i can't believe that "what is love"-sampling song is actually being promoted as a single

teledyldonix, Saturday, 16 October 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

On the grossness of "Love the Way You Live."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 December 2017 04:42 (eight years ago)


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