Do you like Wilco?

All of their albums seem too long to me, but I consider them the cream of the crop.

Aside from that: I suspect that a little editing on their last two albums wouldn't hurt, but then I just never get around to listening to disc 2 of their second album, so maybe I just don't know how good it really is.

I kinda liked AM when it came out but moreso now. BEING THERE is a bit too long and unfocused but there are some bright lights in there. I was a little weary when SUMMERTEETH came out with all the praise that it was getting. I figured it was just runoff from the MERMAID AVENUE hype, but then when I finally got the record (months after it came out and the hype had died some) I thought it was OK, then it started growning on me song by song. Now I think its great. Really fantastic. They're a really good band and depending on what their next album is, they could become a *classic* band.

Loved Uncle Tupelo, and Wilco just doesn't have the urgency they did live.

So critically overrated in the US that I might *almost* not get mad if Tom were to describe them as irrelevant rockist crap.

I'm glad that none of these people going on about 'rockism' mean it seriously.

But, hey, it's all in good spirit.

(and I say that as someone who's indifferent to Bragg musically, and left the Tolpuddle rally early last year because his performance was resembling a self-parody and I couldn't take it so close up, but I'm glad he's around.)

While I agree, remember that the whole thing was in the can before 9/11, and untouched thereafter. Which makes it all kinda spooky, methinks.

wl: That's why it works so well- it's a 9/11 album untainted by post 9/11 sentiments!

"Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" = r0x0r (tries to be Flaming Lips)

"Summer Teeth" = sux0r (tries to be Beach Boys)

Word.

"Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" = r0x0r

True dat.

(tries to be Flaming Lips)

Errr... don't hear it.

"Summer Teeth" = sux0r

Nah.

(tries to be Beach Boys)

Word.

Daniel your aesthetics are in severe need of regime change.

I know! I should paint my room pink...

performance of "Hate It Here" (with added horn section) on SNL tonite fucking RULED

looking forward to the second cut ("Impossible Germany" maybe?)

Agreed. I never liked that song before just now.

ok for 2nd song "Walken" was AWESOME choice although I wasn't as blown away by the performance. uh, performance-wise.

the "Hate it Here" was totally inspiring , best-band-in-the-uni type stuff. The "Walken" was sort of "eh". which is kinda doubly weird becuz "walken" is the Little Feat-aping track that lends itself to such band solidarity. kinda seemed like the boys did not really grab that one like they could've. oh well. they sounded great.

What's the provenance of that Nudie suit Tweedy wore?

Leave it to a Wilco thread to feature the word "provenance".

Out of curiosity, has anyone looked into whether or not their role in Volkswagen commercials resulted in the 'Nick Drake effect?' Sales-wise, not mortality-wise, mind.

like, after wilco's adds woksvagen accidentally overdosed on anti-freeze?
i'm 'pparently mis'standing something there, amn't i?

no

I thought it was odd that VW uses non-lp trax in the ads.

haven't paid attention since YHF which is a pleasant-bordering-on-interesting listen. I always had a soft spot for Being There cause when it came out my Faces and Big Star Third/Sister Lovers love was at its peak. I think I eventually came around to Summerteeth, too.

Summerteeth is the only Wilco cd I have, actually. I'm sorta lukewarmin' to it, mildly.

THe New Haven a few weeks back show was pretty great. Nels Cline and Glenn Kotche really bring the band to the next level.

meant to say New Haven show

has there been a backlash to the backlash on Sky Blue Sky?

has there been a backlash to the backlash on Sky Blue Sky?

I think so. The disc got lukewarm reviews when it was released (overall not bad, tho; I think the disc has a 79 METASCORE), but then it turned up on lots of critic's Top 10 lists last year. And it deserved to be on those year-end lists, I think. Great, underrated album.

I hope Nels Cline stays with the band. Such a good, innovative guitarist.

I have to say I resisted them for a long time- living in Chicago, it's sort of like too much to also listen to Wilco. Its like reading "Devil in the White City" on the CTA. And the boring people and middlebrow radio dj's of Chicago are just nuts for Wilco. But that's a stupid reason to avoid them, plus I ran out of music, and I gave in. So now I think they're great. Especially, She's a Jar, Jesus etc, and Handshake Drugs.

I used to have a similar opinion to jsimp. Fuckin hated these guys. and yeah, largely due to the lunkhead north-side beer garden lunkhead idiocy of the whole think. But quite frankly I never even liked Uncle Tupelo back in the day. And then I remember when 'A.M.' came out and "Xrt" used to cane that ridic "Passenger Side" track, where Tweedy's all oh yeah dude I am totally ROLLING ANOTHER NUMBER. just sounded so fucking weak. ain't no Neil Young.

but then a couple things happened. Friend had a free extra ticket to one of the Vic shows that ended up on that 'Television' live CD or whatever its called. so I went. and I enjoyed myself. Seeing Nils Cline live was a revelation ( his first stint with the group .. he of course not on 'Ghost is Born' which those shows were supporting.) Also closing that show with the great Charles Wright cover did buy my respect

then 'Sky Blue Sky' came out and random samples trickled over to me .. random tracks where I heard some Cline guitar that appealed and perked my ears up .. then finally stumbling upon them guesting on 'Prairie Home Companion' (i am a fan) where they fucking ripped and i heard the ghost of my guy Cipollina in Cline's liquid flow.

Stumbled into a store a couple weeks later, noticed the 2lp of SBS on the wall, and bought it, fuck it. Really kinda fell in love with it. Still hate Tweedy's voice a lot of the time but the band is swell. Like Tweedy when he does Lennon on 'Hate It Here' and Lowell on 'Walken'. I dig the band.

but yeah, fuck the north side.

You guys are right. The worst thing about Wilco is their hardcore fans.

I have been known to troll around their discussion group boards and it is striking at the hate the addition of Nels Cline has inspired in many of them. It's almost as if they are saying "How dare they stop being so alt-country."

If you ask me, they didn't get good until they got weird(er).

Its like reading "Devil in the White City" on the CTA.

lol

but yeah, fuck the north side.

He's still got it, folks!

(xpost) that is weird, because Summerteeth and YHF are their weirdest albums, and Nels wasn't involved in those, and Jay Bennet was. I'd say Ghost and Sky Blue Sky are their most folky albums since AM.

The worst thing about Wilco is their hardcore fans.

Until recently, I had no idea Wilco had a lot of "hardcore fans." I guess -- maybe unsurprisingly -- there aren't many of them living in South Florida.

I have been known to troll around their discussion group boards and it is striking at the hate the addition of Nels Cline has inspired in many of them. It's almost as if they are saying "How dare they stop being so alt-country."

That's amazing to me. Cline is so agile and talented. I hope they keep him in the band.

that is weird, because Summerteeth and YHF are their weirdest albums, and Nels wasn't involved in those, and Jay Bennet was. I'd say Ghost and Sky Blue Sky are their most folky albums since AM.

The thing w/the Bennett albums his he did so many overdubs with so many different instruments. (Didn't he claim that he played 75% or so of the instrumentation on YHF?) whereas the last couple are more homey, "band" records.

Until recently, I had no idea Wilco had a lot of "hardcore fans." I guess -- maybe unsurprisingly -- there aren't many of them living in South Florida.

Yeah, I'm friends with at least two or three people (here in Chicago) who would probably describe themselves as hardcore Wilco fans.

I used to love them so much. Being There and especially the first Mermaid Avenue album. Summerteeth had its moments, and obviously YHF is a force. But after that they just left me cold.

The beginning of the end was when Jeff Tweedy started to believe he was a poet.

this came out last month:

Greetings friends,

As we hope you've noticed, we've been lying low on the emails, trying to avoid being part of the last-minute discount, order-now-before-the-holiday-crush deluge of spam that is presently blowing up your inbox.

That said, we do want to thank all of you out there for making this, yet again, a great year for Wilco. Thanks to you guys for supporting the band & the entire Wilco org. by continuing to turn up in droves at shows and frankly, for buying stuff. Your support makes everything possible.

We've got a lot to look forward to in to '09 -- many cool things on the horizon. First, we (w/ Nonesuch) will be releasing Wilco's first concert film/DVD, and despite the obvious negative connotations associated with that category, we think you'll really like this one. It's called "Ashes of American Flags" and was put together by our friends Brendan Canty and Christoph Green at Trixie Films (Sunken Treasure, Burn to Shine, etc.) Filming took place on the band's February '08 tour and includes material from Cain's Ballroom in Tulsa, The Ryman in Nashville, and more. "Ashes of American Flags" should hit store shelves and the internet in February/March '09. Look for clips and other information at Wilcoworld.net beginning in January.

Post-holidays, the band will head back to the loft to resume work on their next studio album which we suspect will see the light of day in Spring '09. Again more details, streams, photos etc. coming to the site soon. So hang in there.

Re: touring: Well, there's not much until Spring. Jeff Tweedy has a handful of solo shows in late January (Kalamazoo, MI; Champaign, IL; Ann Arbor, MI). Ticket information here. Nels Cline also has a run of shows in January, info here. And there'll undoubtedly be other solo-ish events popping up here and there. But Wilco have no shows planned between now and April as they'll be pretty much hunkered down in the studio. We are in the final phases of working out a handful of gigs in southern US (April) and an extensive tour of Spain (May) followed by, most likely, the usual summer hijinks with a new record and gigs everywhere imaginable.

So, without further adieu, happy sledding through the holidays and into the New Year. And remember, when it comes to gift giving, it truly is the thought that counts (spoken like a true last minute shopper....). On that note, we'd be remiss if we didn't add that there's a sale on in the Wilco store and we've extended it through January 15. So feel free to, you know, order something and put a note in the card, saying "coming soon....", or whatever.

thanks again for everything. Here's to you guys. Happy Holidays... with love.

the HQ staff.

been listening to sky blue sky again lately and i think it might actually be my favorite album of theirs now. simple and pretty, but as if they'd stretched things way out on YHF and now are trying to distill that weirdness back into more measured song forms and instrumentation. and the lyrics are great.

Thread title reminds me of that one kid in the Beasties' "Fight for Your Right" video: "Do you like Willllco?"

Answer: no.

Yes, I like Wilco.

I used to. But hearing/seeing a video of "What Light" on the jumbotron while waiting for the Inaugural weekend Lincoln Memorial concert to start has me convinced that they have become a dull un-pop jam band.

I really like a couple of their albums, and still believe Ghost is the best thing they ever did (and likely ever will do).

No.

Answer: Are you fucking me?

I met a woman once who named her dog after Wilco. I made a mental note never to interact with her again.

loooooool that was supposed to say "Are you fucking KIDDING me?"

Yeah yeah yeah...

yes.

"passenger side" is a great song about having a DWI

i really need to get "Ghost Is Born"
but yeah i love AM, being there, summerteeth still a lot...yankee didn't really hold up that well for me....

i almost suspect, IN SOME CASES, late-2000's wilco hate is the vestigial hangover of some half-remembered rolling stone best-of list from six years ago that will eventually dissipate as people go back and listen again to Ghost and SBS and the rest.

AM was hit or miss for me, wouldn't sell it or anything. loved BT at the time; slightly less now. like Summerteeth. liked the wilco songs on MMA I & II. lost interest around yhf.

xp "again"

srry, will give you credite for yr big, allcaps "IN SOME CASES"

I have to say I resisted them for a long time- living in Chicago, it's sort of like too much to also listen to Wilco. Its like reading "Devil in the White City" on the CTA. And the boring people and middlebrow radio dj's of Chicago are just nuts for Wilco. But that's a stupid reason to avoid them, plus I ran out of music, and I gave in. So now I think they're great. Especially, She's a Jar, Jesus etc, and Handshake Drugs.

― jsimp, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 9:09 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I used to have a similar opinion to jsimp. Fuckin hated these guys. and yeah, largely due to the lunkhead north-side beer garden lunkhead idiocy of the whole think. But quite frankly I never even liked Uncle Tupelo back in the day. And then I remember when 'A.M.' came out and "Xrt" used to cane that ridic "Passenger Side" track, where Tweedy's all oh yeah dude I am totally ROLLING ANOTHER NUMBER. just sounded so fucking weak. ain't no Neil Young.

but then a couple things happened. Friend had a free extra ticket to one of the Vic shows that ended up on that 'Television' live CD or whatever its called. so I went. and I enjoyed myself. Seeing Nils Cline live was a revelation ( his first stint with the group .. he of course not on 'Ghost is Born' which those shows were supporting.) Also closing that show with the great Charles Wright cover did buy my respect

then 'Sky Blue Sky' came out and random samples trickled over to me .. random tracks where I heard some Cline guitar that appealed and perked my ears up .. then finally stumbling upon them guesting on 'Prairie Home Companion' (i am a fan) where they fucking ripped and i heard the ghost of my guy Cipollina in Cline's liquid flow.

Stumbled into a store a couple weeks later, noticed the 2lp of SBS on the wall, and bought it, fuck it. Really kinda fell in love with it. Still hate Tweedy's voice a lot of the time but the band is swell. Like Tweedy when he does Lennon on 'Hate It Here' and Lowell on 'Walken'. I dig the band.

but yeah, fuck the north side.

― Stormy Davis, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:50 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark

This is pretty much my deal with Wilco. Resisted a while due to the North side beer garden crowd/knee jerk reaction to the Rolling Stone idolatry. At the moment I think they're a good band with some great songs, I think they're excellent musicians and I admire their integrity and willingness to deconstruct their sound. But honestly, I never listen to them - there are always a hundred bands I'd rather listen to, and I think YHF is overrated. I like them as they become more experimental and less alt-country, although I like a lot of their early stuff too.

I like Wilco a lot, sometimes have loved them. I could do without the dirgy songs on YHF, but love the shit of "Kamera" esp. A Ghost Is Born was awesomer yet. It's funny to me that this is a band a lot of people have strong opinions about (e.g. the existence of this thread), because while they do a lot for me, I don't see them as representing any greater movement or whatever that compels one to have a view on them.

Rahm Emanuel does:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/03/in_concert_wilco.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/WilcoStrathmore-6.jpg

sitting with all the white people!

hmm .. really good set-list for that Wilco show. no "Sonny Feeling" tho :(

i love the idea of Rahm rocking out to "Bull Black Nova"

what a fucking awful band

Hahahaha I thought you were a Wilco stan ksh? Or are you dropping your April Fools a day late?

yeah Glenn Kotche, Nels Cline, and Pat Sansone are "awful"

rip ksh

jon: just a lil' trolling :-)

jeff tweedy all staring at his computer, a single tear on his cheek

all writin a concept album about a man, walking alone down the KS Highway

*jagged guitar solo*

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was the peak for experimental rock music

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot: pee-pee in modern music

my life would have been so much more worthwhile if YHF had beat Kid A in P4k's decade poll

I like the chorus of one of their new(er) songs - "I don't care anymore". It's a good lesson for some people as well

"You Never Know"

from last year's Wilco (the album)

the "George Harrison" song

Eh, Wilco is up there with George Harrison solo for me. I don't listen to much of either but comparing a top 10 songs for both artists would put them on the same level for me. Who came first is unimportant

think Stormy was just pointing out that a lot of critics were calling "You Never Know" Wilco's aping G.H. song

yeah I LOVE "You Never Know". but they were obviously being a little cheeky with it

no one under 30 in that picture

the audience at a Wilco show ranges from, like, 10 to 60. but, yeah, a large part of the audience is probably late twenties to late thirties.

unlike, say, Dirty Projectors, where the entire audience seemed to be 18-20 year olds

no one under 30 in that band

no one under 30 in this thread

Who cares? Dad-rock is awesome.

http://www.grandprofile.com/Myspace_Comments/Family_Comments/Father_Comments/images/You-Rock-Dad.gif

i think Pat Sansone is 15

he kinda looks it!

http://i.mp3lizard.com/musictrksw/Fathern%20Rock.jpg

http://www.miracosta.edu/home/edonze/dadandbaby.jpg

http://www.irongreasesuckinmachine.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/dad_and_john_2.PNG

they look like they're having fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhdI2bZLSK8

They're one of my favorite bands who will never change my life or anyone else's. They're the band that comes up to you out of nowhere and says, "Hey there. I've been thinking that I might want to rock your world. But then again maybe not. But maybe I do. Let me think about it some more. I'll go mow my lawn and come back to you. Wait for me." It's a sloppy, reticent, undeservedly cocky and more than a little silly approach that explains why a lot people think they're boring and why I think they're cute. The rhythm section seems to take perverse pride in its anonymity, but they put a lot of pretty jangly noises up front, and I like pretty jangly noises. They're not purists in the production booth, both a pretty good thing (YHF)and pretty bad thing (A Ghost is Born). I like the songwriting. I like how Tweedy hangs lines together, how he evokes a world of angst filled patio bar-b-ques and convenience store dandies and bullshit sidewalk philosophers who are slightly too hip for their aluminum siding but not by much. It's a little condescending, but it can't afford to be too condescending. And from their last album, I really liked "Bull Black Nova," which might be the best thing they've ever done, and probably ever will do and to which nothing I wrote above applies.

I want tyler's images to pop up as auto-signatures whenever i post; mods help pls?

anyone going to the wilco solid sound fest at mass moca? i'm not a wilco fan but its just up the road from me and there are other people i like there.

MUSIC

WILCO

Mavis Staples

The Nels Cline Singers

The Autumn Defense

Avi Buffalo

Sir Richard Bishop

The Books

Brenda

Deep Blue Organ Trio

Mountain Man

On Fillmore

Pronto

Vetiver

Numero Group – DJ’s

COMEDY
Todd Barry

Hannibal Buress

John Mulaney

Kristen Schaal

PERFORMANCE
Bread and Puppet Theatre

Story Pirates

ART & EXHIBITS
Glenn Kotche – Interactive Drumheads

Nels Cline – Solid Sound Stompbox

Pat Sansone – Polaroid Photo Exhibit

WILCO – Poster Exhibit

http://solidsoundfestival.com/

you know, mainly richard bishop and vetiver, but it might be fun.

That sounds like fun. mass moca is a beautiful place.

sounds like a blast tbh. would go if i still lived in boston.

Google Maps sez 3 hour drive from where I live in MA

but, yeah, if you live closer, go, for obvious reasons

even regardless of the lineup, i wish there were more festivals like this (ie not in a giant fucking field, with the sun frying your skin).

i looooovvvvveeeee wilco. and i don't even love "dad rock," as a rule.

i was just saying to my wife it was a bummer that we missed the recent wilco concert in south florida. i spotted it just after we bought tickets for rodrigo y gabriella, who were playing the night before at the same venue. now regret not seeing both.

as much as I don't love Wilco's last two studio records, I fuckin adore them live. i've seen them three times in the past six years and it was never not worth it

oh btw i loooooooovvvvvveeeeee sky blue sky, still.

especially on hot summer days.

hahahaha, I'm glad you do! sincerely!

I saw Wilco in a minor league baseball stadium last summer and it was glorious

yeah, i should go see them again -- haven't been to a show since the YHF tour (tho I did see a Tweedy solo show). From all accounts (and that live album) they're pretty great these days.

oh yeah, i've ONLY seen them with the current lineup, and it's just fuckin insane -- like, really, just go :-D

scott, if you have enuff beer to drink i bet at least two or three of those comedians will be funny.

Wilco (The Album) is one of the most disappointing albums I've ever experienced. There's just so little spark going on, it's painful. Especially when you play Summerteeth right after.

interactive drumheads? OMG i am SO there.

nels cline is a monster but i've never seen him w/wilco

i saw the original lineup they were great

i still don't own a ghost is born i need to correct that

the green river festival is coming up in our town. i've never gone, but its supposed to be fun no matter who is playing. cake is the big draw this year. yes, i said cake. allen toussaint will be there too though. i'd like to see him.

http://www.greenriverfestival.com/performers.html

to this day i don't think i've ever heard calexico. i know people really like them.

kind of a mix of NPR and Bonnaroo.

Calexico is a pretty solid band and a reliable live draw. I once saw them with Swell Season and, per the mix of backgrounds, they performed an awesome version of the Pogues' "Fiesta." Because how often do you have an Irish band and a Mariachi (sort of) band on the same stage?

Original line-up of Wilco was a blast, esp. circa "Being There" and "Summerteeth." "YHF" line-up was incredibly powerful, but almost austere. Band did not seem to be having fun, and I saw them several times on that tour. In retrospect, I blame the drugs, because once Tweedy came out of rehab he was clearly having a blast, enjoying the spotlight and reveling in fronting such a solid band. I've loved every show of theirs I've seen in the past few years, including the five-nights of the residency they player here where every Wilco song got performed at least once (including the one from the "Sponge Bob" movie).

Calexico is a pretty solid band

man i love this band too! i'd say they're far better than "pretty solid."

I think Wilco is overated, but they are not terrible.

I meant pretty solid in the sense that despite releasing nothing but good to great records, the differences between the two are negligible. Just totally consistent, in the zone, but rarely exception, save the group's consistency. They rarely fail, but rarely take risks. It's just the way Calexico rolls. Unlike WIlco, for example, whose riskiest move was ironically a shift from "experimental" stuff to (sublime) MOR.

i like calexico's sound a lot -- but i'm not sure if they're great songwriters ...

In my opinion Calexico took a risk when they went from moody southwestern experimenters to Wilco copycats (Garden Ruin- which is a very nice record I must say). So if anything its backwards compared to Wilco in that respect.

really, tyler? i think of songs like crystal frontier, which is a brilliant, layered song.

Spoke through Feast of Wire Calexico is one of my favorite bands ever. From there onward is just a band I really like.

yeah, agreed.

but please let's get back to wilco, the GREATEST MUSICAL ENSEMBLE EVER TO WALK THE EARTH.

(and i kind of mean it. sorry, royal concertgebouw orchestra)

http://pitchfork.com/news/41061-wilco-announce-2011-solid-sound-fest/

i don't think i've ever heard wilco

and that is notable why?

stfu

not saying it's notable, just saying the idea of country inflected indie neither intrigues nor horrifies me enough to bother

Do you like Wilco?

"country inflected" : you are a very good writer

is that even true? idk, just going on what i remember

i got the nels cline record w/ thurston moore which is really not all that tbqmfh

i am a very good writer tho ya

i've nvr consciously heard wilco

http://i51.tinypic.com/24mc3go.gif

i dunno markers

u gotta pick yr fights but mayne might be a weight class too far at this point in yr career

tryina think of the last person to completely pwn mayne on anything that wasn't a subjective movie contention

i guess the answer is '51 of us' - the ppl always win

i don't think i've ever heard wilco

― nakhchivan, Saturday, December 18, 2010 3:12 PM

and that is notable why?

― nakhchivan, Saturday, December 18, 2010 3:12 PM

stfu

not saying it's notable, just saying the idea of country inflected indie neither intrigues nor horrifies me enough to bother

― nakhchivan, Saturday, December 18,

Very confusing thread revive.

ik,r?

xp

chill buzza the self-conversant sleep-deprived prolix british contingent is merely taking the fuck ovvahhh

w/e

kill the snark before it happens, sall

wilco are not rly a band who deserve 2b flamed imo

I like wilco cause wilco can make you mine.

http://www.slipoffs.com/files/imagecache/shoe_node/files/shoes/wilco.jpg

it's snowing, im stranded
doubt anyone in england has ever heard wilco, ever

yeah

it's rare for u.s. indie critfave to fail to cross the atlantic at all but wilco managed it

wtf are the first three posts here

lol whoops guess someone fucked up

btw - I used to LOVE Wilco.

citizen kane is like the best movie

ikr

ambersons, tho

yah but CK is so canon that u think its jus gonna be ok or kindof long and boring but "ahead of its time" ina way thats no longer accessibly exciting and basically "good for u" and then its really exciting and weird and awesome looking and has about 23 total wtf moments also

im about to listen to wilco

citizen tweedy, with joseph cotten as jay bennett

yah but CK is so canon that u think its jus gonna be ok or kindof long and boring but "ahead of its time" ina way thats no longer accessibly exciting and basically "good for u" and then its really exciting and weird and awesome looking and has about 23 total wtf moments also

― plax (ico), Sunday, 19 December 2010 20:24 (53 minutes ago)

YES

saw this a few months ago and yes. yesyesyes.

first track of 'foxtrot yankee hotel' or whatever the hell this is called wasn't what i expected, but track two pretty much is, i.e. inconsequential blah blah indie guitar music

RIP Wilco

first track of that album is pretty much the best thing they ever did, along with 'poor places', 'handshake drugs' and 'less than you think'

maybe 'muzzle of bees' too if I'm feeling generous

[/madness]

track three even worse

hoo boy, not sure if we're gonna work out, you and me, wilco

why are wilco good markers?

im really bad at explaining why I like the stuff I like, so I really think itd be best if I didnt even try

that started promisingly but it was actually a spotify ad for phil collins's album of 60s covers

all of the electronic-y, semi-interesting non-guitar bits on this record are just kind of pasted on unconvincingly

it's 'pleasant enough' and i wouldn't mind/notice it in a social setting, but fourth best album of the decade?

country infected - now that is something I can sink my teeth into

hoo boy, not sure if we're gonna work out, you and me, wilco

i fear you might break jeff tweedy's heart.

wilco fans be a hardsonnin lot

six down, like five to go, feel im winning this

agreeably short

I Am Trying To Break Your Heart is their staggering career pinnacle. The rest s just nice, occasionally really, really wel put together. Best thing about YHF is Jim O'Rourke.

who thinks mayne will dig 'poor places', I do

actually I think he will like 'pot kettle black' too

i gave up with two to go and listened to that 'black characters in friends' thing again

PP and PKB are the 2nd and 3rd best songs on it, aye. There are no "bad" songs on YHF, though; just nothing else, anywhere in their canon, like IATTBYH.

THIS IS AWESOME. and from a guy who likes slayer too.
Hailstonedpikachu 6 months ago

(IATTBYH)

it's not bad i suppose

T/S: Wilco "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" vs. Califone "Horoscopic. Amputation. Honey"

turns out the answer is wilco

although califone are horribly overlooked and that is not their best song - 'black metal valentine' is heaps better than both of the songs mentioned there

i like wilco.

jeff tweedy's son has a cute blog: http://spencertweedy.com/

also i wonder who nakhchivian's sockpuppet is???

don't have any active socks on ilx

got bored of project 'kelpolaris'

u kinda fucked up itt, bro

nuhhhhh

sometimes i type other ppls' inevitable snark responses

it saves you having to come back later to deal w/ the little fish

please show the jury an example of you exhibiting this posting style elsewhere.

Tweedy's son is awesome. There is a part with the two of them hanging out in the movie IATTBYH that's adorable.

NAMING RIGHTS THREAD: Liverpool really won't win the Premiership 2010-2011

obv i dunnno who i wd be responding to itt

hence lack of attribution

you might as well just admit to having a sock because your other explanation doesn't really fly and this revive makes you look cray cray otherwise

it's sposed to look crazy

i was considering typing out a lil flamewar in its entirety

and wd be chill w/ the artaudian derangement

but i couldn't be bothered

track three even worse

hoo boy, not sure if we're gonna work out, you and me, wilco

― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:22 PM

http://i52.tinypic.com/2415zis.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/jpejyb.jpg

this is the kind of thing that makes me realize we are all insane

:)

this is the kind of thing that makes me realize we are all insane

― u aint messin w/ my dengue (gr8080), Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:42 PM

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there are probably going to be some more kinda pretentious, kinda experimental meta posts by english ilxors snowed in over the holidays

there are probably going to be some more kinda pretentious, kinda experimental meta posts by english ilxors snowed in over the holidays

― No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Sunday, 19 December 2010 22:46 (54 seconds ago)

i like wilco.

― u aint messin w/ my dengue (gr8080), Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:17 PM

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Yankee Hotel Foxtrot: pee-pee in modern music

― Mr. Que, Friday, April 2, 2010 2:02 PM

http://i53.tinypic.com/eslve0.jpg

Wilco is a rip-off of Blango
from 1961 www.mp3.com/bogica

― BiB, Friday, April 18, 2003

Well obviously they're irrelevant and rockist....but I quite like Summerteeth: they're not crap ;)
― Tom, Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:00 PM

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They just kind of...exist. From what I've heard of theirs, I have no desire to search out their music any more. They just kind of bored me.
― Melissa W, Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:00 PM

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The whole point about Wilco (as Summerteeth proves beyond all doubt) is that they're not rockist, as opposed to Son Volt. Being There is not rockist, but rather operates to question the foundations of rock myth.
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:00 PM

http://i51.tinypic.com/2pytfdc.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2n06mb9.jpg

YHF is the only not-horrible album they've made, and that only rises to pleasant and dull.

I think my first ILM post was in 2003 and I still don't understand what the fuck 'rockist' is supposed to mean.

idk markers

not saying yr img spamming of near-consecutive stills from a video alongside contextual ilx archive posts is totally devoid of experimentalism

but it's a 'yankee hotel foxtrot' sort of experimentalism, where the left-field aspects are kinda glued on to something that is actually fairly conventional

http://i52.tinypic.com/22z40o.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/4kwc35.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zxwq4w.jpg

:D

doesn't it look better without the captions? truly unencumbered from the need to supply banal 'context', tweedy's affective dynamics are rendered in all their glory

http://i51.tinypic.com/257hpa8.jpg

http://www.motifake.com/demotivational-poster/0809/for-the-love-of-god-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-that-shi-demotivational-poster-1222016924.jpg

one of the first things that struck me as kinda singular abt ilx was a certain use of image posts. one of the second things was how bad ilxor and markers are at image posts.

http://i.imgur.com/k13BZ.jpg

f the haterz, markers

one of the first things that struck me as kinda singular abt ilx was a certain use of image posts. one of the second things was how bad ilxor and markers are at image posts.

― zvookster, Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:27 PM (4 minutes ago)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2mlqhv.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/mc7qe0.jpg

doesn't it look better without the captions? truly unencumbered from the need to supply banal 'context', tweedy's affective dynamics are rendered in all their glory

yes; in surrendering to portraiture, in decontextualising himself from any adherence to explicatory forms of communication, tweedy conversely forays most piercingly into his own artistic impulse, and is thus rendered at his most lucid

markers' textless posts = the last 12 minutes of "less than you think", truly the pinnacle of all things wilco

just imagine if markers fell thru a wormhole into another dimension and could only communicate through loltweedies

he'd want to convey the unimaginable horror, but ppl would only lol because his expression of despair would appear to belong to jeff tweedy

then he wd know how nels cline feels

markers crushin it with the image posts imo

maybe it's just me.

just the other day i was looking at a taylor swift markers img post and thinking, why on earth would u post that, then next time i saw the thread someone had typed lol underneath.

Yeah, I have to say that I think markers' image posts are some of his finest work.

markers crushin it with the image posts imo

If this is "crushin it", no wonder this board sucks so hard lately.

weird thread
Best thing about YHF is Jim O'Rourke.
kinda feel like maybe o'rourke's contribution to YHF is exaggerated? afaik he was brought in just to mix the record. so obviously he had a hand in the sound, but maybe not quite as much as people think. the record where he *was* involved throughout was Ghost Is Born, where he produced, and played guitar, piano or bass on pretty much every song.

I mean, maybe that came off as harsh, but when people posting repeated images of Jeff Tweedy is what makes yuo enjoy ilm, maybe its time you took off for 4chan?

i lol'd harder at these tweedy img posts than anything on ILX in a month

shit had me almost in tears

raise your standards, imho.

Jon - I remember reading that O'Rourke took a lot out of YHF, minimalised it before mixing it. I think that minimalism is a MASSIVE part of the album's success.

That is really true, that minimalism is a huge part of why I love that album so much.

I mean, maybe that came off as harsh, but when people posting repeated images of Jeff Tweedy is what makes yuo enjoy ilm, maybe its time you took off for 4chan?

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 December 2010 14:58 (1 hour ago)

ilm is a broad church

markers is straight outta the seminary and is bringing new thinking to the parish

let's not shout him down

Yeah, I suppose, god forbid, some of us might prefer well-written discourse as opposed to lazy, unfunny imagebomb "zings".

http://www2.elca.org/archives/luther/LutherPapalBull.jpg

afaict markers isn't really 'zinging', he's just improvising spiritedly

i will try to listen to the rest of YHF later, i don't hold out much hope but i love 'murray street' and the sadly neglected 'i'm happy and i'm singing and a 1 2 3 4'

i got the nels cline record w/ thurston moore which is really not all that tbqmfh

― nakhchivan, Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:19 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which one? i'm not crazy about Pillow Wand but imo In-Store is inspired.

yeah, pillow wand

might check out the other one

i don't like wilco!

thread delivers

I LOVE SCOTT SEWARD

^^

crushin' it, quality post, really valuable information

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/atoz/wilco_young_fan.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/lilcute_emochick/crush_on_you_9.gif

http://www.glittersdream.com/comment/cat/lovecomment/i-have-a-crush-on-you/i-have-crush-on-you.gif

i like wilco!

i like love tractor!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmhF3YpEfag

Why don't we just add fucking avatars, signatures, turn into 4chan and get it over with?

markers crushin it with the image posts imo

If this is "crushin it", no wonder this board sucks so hard lately.

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 9:55 AM (2 hours ago)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2q21m50.jpg

I mean, maybe that came off as harsh, but when people posting repeated images of Jeff Tweedy is what makes yuo enjoy ilm, maybe its time you took off for 4chan?

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 9:58 AM

http://i51.tinypic.com/2e2ihyw.jpg

raise your standards, imho.

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 10:20 AM

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That is really true, that minimalism is a huge part of why I love that album so much.

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 11:30 AM

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Yeah, I suppose, god forbid, some of us might prefer well-written discourse as opposed to lazy, unfunny imagebomb "zings".

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 11:40 AM

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Fuck off, seriously. You are the worst thing on this board, ever.

oh, jon /via/ chi 2.0paws

Sorry I don't have a witty image zing that says "go away forever, you are a horrible person".

i was trying to have fun, you came in here talking shit, and somehow im a horrible person? get a clue

"I was thinkin' about the late Tim Hardin"

love that line. do wilco have any songs as good as this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Z4Z1-ALRs

"Horrible person" is overstating it a bit, yes, but you are a horrible poster that makes this place much less interesting to read. It would be fine if you didn't clutter up so many threads with unfunny shit.

Like I would honestly read every deej/whiney beef thread ever than see a post from "markers" ever again.

wow you're a dick

everyone relax. we all like wilco here.

If hating your lazy, unfunny style of posting makes me a "dick", well, I'm okay with that.

Damn...

markers you used to come off like a nice guy, now you're some weird over-defensive image-posting bot who'd rather be weird and 'funny' than ever post anything interesting or even straightfoward

killfile bro, now youre derailing this thread with shit people dont wanna read

this isn't exactly an urgent thread about a new album or something, it's just a dormant thread among many in which said band can be discussed, and easily ignored

i guess markers would be best to ration the loltweedies but they were kinda funny upthread

he's def a chill person....live and let live

some dude said pretty much what I was getting at in a much, much more kind and rational way

that kraftwerk cover scott seward posted is awesome!

]I mean, maybe that came off as harsh, but when people posting repeated images of Jeff Tweedy is what makes yuo enjoy ilm, maybe its time you took off for 4chan?

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, December 20, 2010 2:58 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

damn... so harsh... not really sure if i'll come back from this

I just really hate that people are applauding him for such lazy, unfunny posting. ILX is usually above that sort of shit and I don't know why we would appluad that.

markers is my favorite new poster
those tweedy posts took a lot of work and are hilarious
u trippin

you're an idiot then

<3 gr8080

eh some people have such a bored love/hate relationship with posting here that they're just cool with anybody acting 'crazy' tbh. i think that has its place if you're actually going to be funny or bizarre about it, but yeah the markers thing is just...why dude, stop.

I'd rather see thoughtful discussion, but I'd take funny images over hurtful internet anger.

^^

^

I realize I am being completely ridiculous and irrational about this today, but the type of shit markers posts pretty much epitomizes what I hate about 85% of the other message boards out there and what I mostly love about this place.

constructive crit imo

btw i like img posts i just don't get markers & his concerns

If I had any cred worth destroying in the first place, I might actually feel guilty about going off about this today. Its just, you have people like Ned on one end of the spectrum - thoughtful, energetic, intelligent and then you have, "lollazyimagebomb". Even when deej and whiney are at their most infuriating, they at least have some passion and insight behind it.

underrated img post i have loved: rebuttal of mayne's response to various movies froma UK perspective

The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

ILX has a long and rich tradition of imageposting, to say we're "turning into 4chan" cause you dont like the way markers does it makes u the lazy one

Its not imageposting in and of itself, its the recent frequency of it. The bigger problem is when you have people like markers that don't bother to do much else.

yeah and also markers used to be a kind of overly earnest but perfectly likable poster. his recent change in posting style feels really cynical and insecure in that context. i mean when you just cough up an "oh wrinklepaws" reference when people are trying to directly address you it feels like you're going through the motions of this how you do 'flippant' on ilx.

"directly address you"

Yeah, I mean, earnest wilco-loving "kshighway" was infinitely more fun to watch post.

ilx turns earnest poster cynical shocker

if you actually read the thread, youd notice that i bumped it to link to a pitchfork story about wilco putting on an event in my home state next year

xpost

markers, i'm sorry if jon or i pissed you off but if that's what it took to get you post complete sentences it was worth it imo

you were fine in this thread some dude. im going to cut back on unnecessary image posting all over ilm. but i stand by the tweedy & louis ck images itt and will probably post more stuff like that in the future, just not everywhere

yeah i mean we all post some silly images and shit sometimes, imo it's all about moderation

everyone relax. we all are like wilco here.
― tylerw, Monday, December 20, 2010 11:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fixed

i feel liek thats the final step on the ilx journey: earnest music poster > stando ile person > sub bord mainstay > indecipherable one liners > sock master

― ice cr?m

being there came out the same week as ironman by ghostface IIRC

TOP FACT

Also, markers (pretending you don't already have me killfiled), you don't need to constantly evaluate and revise your "posting style" or "personal brand" or w/e. I liked you just fine back when you were engaging in the metal threads and getting all excited and interested in things, I just felt like you've been devolving since then and getting really, really annoying. Obviously I am not one that should be judging other people for posting styles, this thread alone has shown you have way more defenders/fans/supporters than I've ever had on this board, but the laziness was really rubbing me the wrong way (as was people holding it up as some example of great posting). I doubt that I could have handled it in a worse way than I did, but it was frustrating me. I mean, laying it all out there after being a huge asshole to you this morning, I think it comes down to feeling like I've never been taken seriously on this board and being pretty much ignored because all the stuff I'm into has way more vocal and well-spoken supporters than what I've had to offer. I'm pretty sure my bitterness this morning resulted from seeing you getting props for image-bombing the board while I'm lucky to garner 2 responses to any "serious" thread I start. Anyway, I'm done being emo and/or a total jackass on this thread.

<3

pile-ons are sweet when spontaneous but deeply lame 'posting tips' type bros can eat one

― ENRRQ (history mayne), Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:14 AM (3 minutes ago)

^^ probably related to ilxor/markers

I think it comes down to feeling like I've never been taken seriously on this board and being pretty much ignored because all the stuff I'm into has way more vocal and well-spoken supporters than what I've had to offer. I'm pretty sure my bitterness this morning resulted from seeing you getting props for image-bombing the board while I'm lucky to garner 2 responses to any "serious" thread I start.

dude you're a fine poster when you're not going off on ppl and you really need to get over this

"I think it comes down to feeling like I've never been taken seriously on this board and being pretty much ignored because all the stuff I'm into has way more vocal and well-spoken supporters than what I've had to offer. I'm pretty sure my bitterness this morning resulted from seeing you getting props for image-bombing the board while I'm lucky to garner 2 responses to any "serious" thread I start."

I felt that way too for awhile. When I was most upset I had just moved and was having trouble making new friends in real life, and was feeling kind of pathetic that I couldn't even get a conversation going on a internet forum either, so I can understand.

burn?

welp, i like jon and i can understand being frustrated w/all this shit all over ilm, which is why i don't really post on these threads much at length anymore. it goes beyond image-bombing imo, but that's another story. do you have records? come to ILV.

although tbh i don't post there much anymore either, b/c i haven't bought many new records lately.

all i gotta say is that ilxors hating on other ilxors is kinda lame guys

wilco is about peace and bringing ppl together imo

BTW checked wiki and Being There and Ironman both came out on October 29th, 1996!

i feel we all grew a little today

xp mashup time?

BTW checked wiki and Being There and Ironman both came out on October 29th, 1996!
crazy day.

again, kind of amazes me the hate wilco gets from certain quarters. it's like, you like neil young-y country rock occasionally filtered with a little bit of weirdness? then hey, you might like wilco.

I've never really understood all the hate either, but then again, I have met some pretty insufferable Wilco fans.

i like the guys voice, a ghost is born is a pretty good album. im a wheel is a great version of the lindsay buckingham punk via soft rock new wavisms

yeah, i'm sure there are insufferable wilco fans, but y'know, there are insufferable dylan fans, or ghostface fans. i try not to let the fans get in the way of my enjoyment of the music.

wtf @ this thread

I had a drummer who was kinda insufferable w/the Wilco fandom. it is the kinda thing that can get in the way of just evaluating the music... that being said this band has like 3 or 4 songs I think are good (oddly each of those songs is the first track on their respective albums - Must Be High, the one that bites Laughner, and the first track on YHF) the rest just kinda wash over me in an indistinct haze of boringness

also I was more excited about Nels back when he was in the Fibbers tbh

yeah i always thought wilco got stick for being an 'indie' band that dads really got into, and admitting that you liked them was like saying you had boring MOR taste across the board or something

i never got into yhf, and the ilm wilco-backlash actually kept me away for a bit, but i really like a ghost is born and i listened to sky blue sky the other day and it is, at least, an impeccably produced album.

i'm not a big wilco fan anymore but i can't imagine Summerteeth ever falling out of favor with me, that's a great mopey-pop album if ever there was one

yeah, i'm sure there are insufferable wilco fans, but y'know, there are insufferable dylan fans, or ghostface fans. i try not to let the fans get in the way of my enjoyment of the music.

Oh yeah, this is so true. I really like Wilco, but I'm not rabid enough to consider myself a "huge fan" though. They put out pretty solid records, although the most recent one was pretty boring imho. I was a big Sky Blue Sky supporter though.

Shakey, do you know who Wilco's drummer is? His solo music is incredible imho. I can see how a drummer would be into Wilco, just due to his skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S19OKNGmF8

there is some time sig stuff in this^^ that is borderline insanity.

dunno if that was the appeal for my drummer (a person who was inclined to seriously argue that a) "the best period ever for music was '90-'96" and b) "nobody over the age of 40 has ever made good music") but yeah I know who Koche is.

damn that is cool

The documentary "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" made me like them less. I mean, fuck they are boring in every which way. And Jay Bennett, may he rest in peace, was a dildo.

yeah that vid is dope

I DREAMT ABOUT KILLIN U AGAIN LAST NITE AND IT FELT ALLRIGHT 2 ME

someone gave me a free copy of Sky Blue Sky when it came out and i went months and months without even removing it from the cellophane. then one morning i woke up with possibly the worst hangover of my entire life and for some reason put that CD on and i think it saved my life.

life-saving qualities aside, I'd rather listen to wilco drummer jamming out than actual wilco tbh

loose fur

BTW checked wiki and Being There and Ironman both came out on October 29th, 1996!

― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 20, 2010 1:33 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

LOL I thought you were talking about
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cYpCtu1JL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
and was so confused

^^great movie i never would have watched were it not for a TOMBOT recomedation

i was a big fan of the Kosinski novel in middle school and my first seeds of dislike for Wilco were planted when they usurped the title. not that i feel remotely as negatively about them as a lot of people do though.

xpost yeah i love that first loose fur alb way more than any wilco rec i've heard

it's like, you like neil young-y country rock occasionally filtered with a little bit of weirdness?

Remove neil young-y and this is why I don't like them. Country rock in general is dull as dishwater (and Neil rarely is). When I first heard Summerteeth and Being There I was comparing them to the first few Old 97's albums + Uncle Tupelo/Son Volt (obv) + I dunno, the Jayhawks or something. And all those were exciting and passionate and interesting, where Wilco sounded like Muzak.

classic thread, gr8 read:
I'm really fucking drunk and can't pull the jewel case of Wilco's "A Ghost Is Born" out of the cardboard sleeve

oh man

Up until the last year or so, the answer would have been "Meh" but last two albums are pretty great 90s indie rock.

Im not sure what to make of the new one yet. I like "normal american kids" a lot tho

I think they're probably splintering their fanbase a bit, so it's hard to know what to recommend, but I get taken in about halfway through the album during the run from happiness to locator especially.

not really caring any more, they have too many records. I'll always love Summerteeth

I think they have their own beer

Actually dug out my old Fuck (sorry, really wish they'd chosen a different name) albums, and yeah, there is a little bit of the same thing going on, though I like the recent Wilco stuff better.

Not a fan of early Wilco (anything earlier than Summerteeth) and a pick-and-choose relationship with the band for any album after Sky Blue Sky. Usually a couple of standout tracks on all of the latter-day albums. The new one and Star Wars were kind of dull to me, though.

(sorry, really wish they'd chosen a different name)

it's ok buddy

Expanded Reissues of AM & Being There Coming: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/wilco-details-reissues-of-first-two-lps-am-being-there-w508163

I was surprised by how much I loved the Alpha Mike odds and sods box. I'm in on these reissues, I adored "Being There" when it came out.

I loved AM and BT back in the day but fell off the bus after YHF. That comp of rarities looks good though, have to check that out.

Vouch for a ghost, summer teeth, yhf and especially sky blue sky, with the total classic "impossible Germany"

I guess up until YHF he had an effective foil in Bennett

I really dug "Germany" when I first heard it but it does zero for me now

I still don't know what the hell happened on Wilco (The Album), it's just so uninspired. It sounds to me how I imagine people who actively hate Wilco hear them all the time
Star Wars was pretty excellent though, which was something of a relief

i haven't loved anything since YHF (though I've liked some albums), but yeah Wilco (The Album) strikes me as by far their worst.
wonder if Farrar is on that last Uncle Tupelo track, or if it was just recorded pre-breakup?

Wilco (The Album) is like Beethoven compared to Wilco Schmilco. That is a bad record.

Schmilco sounds like what it is - the uninteresting outtakes from those sessions

W(TA) sounds like Tweedy actively persuing sub-Fleet Foxes/Feist blandness

I guess up until YHF he had an effective foilcollaborator/multi-instrumentalist/co-writer/producer in Bennett

W(TA) is easily their worst. The bookends on The Whole Love are worth the try.

Best record post-YHF to me is Star Wars, and I actually enjoy Schmilco.

I am curious if the extra stuff on these re-issues have already seen the light of day on the box set, which is, for the most part, pretty great. And I happen to love Schmilco. It's like Star Wars awkward little brother.

I couldn't get through 3 songs of that b sides comp

And Bull Black Nova is the only redeeming thing about W(TA).

"Alpha Mike Foxtrot" (a code for Adios M-F) is a bounty of riches. I love the band through YHF and it's got lots of live cuts from that period as well as fun alt takes and b-sides. The stuff from their later period was eye-opening for me. There's a track that sounds like a Fall outtake! And I've often found bands detritus is fascinating where they're being experimental or the song doesn't fit the album's vibe.

I saw them twice on the current tour and they were fantastic.

And Bull Black Nova is the only redeeming thing about W(TA)

"Deeper Down" is lovely

http://www.weepaperpeople.co.uk/2017/10/08/wilco/

https://wilco.kungfustore.com/new-items/jeff-tweedy-bobblehead-wil920.html