MTV - classic or dud?

You know, let me move into that worst videos thread again and give a little smack down to Aaron Fuckin' Carter...

The fantastically tasty cod-Skanky Ho Boy presenter that is Dannan who presents Select.

I have *never* seen a set of stylists work so hard to produce just the right amount of fake Camden Market/Hoxton trash dirtiness with styling products and strategically altered clothing.

It horrifies me, yet still... I admit to being strangely compelled. He dyed his hair burgundy the week after I dyed Paul's hair. I think he's studying my lusts and desires and *modelling* himself after them, because he *clearly* wants to be adored by me.

Ha-hem. I can't believe I just admitted to this.

Oh but wait, no, I don't pay for MTV. It comes with my flat. Along with the Discovery Channel, which is much better, for sometimes featuring weekend-long marathons of Time Team.

Other than that, DUD.

no more leftfield animation. no more unattractive presenters who were actually there because they loved music/music video. no more creative initiatives designed to inspire/enlighten the viewer, only creative initiatives to make money (Blingo or whatever). hell i wouldn't mind if they actually promised to play at least 6 music videos an hour but they don't even do that.

So you don't watch that either, ha!

(Okeh, that was more than two years ago anyway)

Right now, my daughter's glued to the telly, watching the MTV Movie Awards. On MTV Nordic. On the cable. And it's due to the children occasionally switching it on that I get to see/hear any MTV at all, basically. ...Dud-o-drome, from what I've seen.

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1826/mtv24oh.jpg

Inside the giant factory of cool known as MTV headquarters, a crew of hip twentysomethings has been hard at work creating a two-headed monster. This beast wants to be man's new best friend.

On Sunday, during the Super Bowl halftime, MTV2 is relaunching with a new focus on 12-24 year-old guys - and a new logo.

"What MTV2 is, while a departure from MTV, is really harkening back to the early days of MTV," says Tina Exarhos, executive vice president of marketing.

The network recognizes that their young-guy demographic are, as Cohn says, "operating on multiple platforms" - not just television, but the Web and video games - sometimes simultaneously. For example, after the show "Discover & Download" premiered with the Senegal-born R&B singer Akon, thousands of downloads immediately followed.

The channel is renewing a tradition of unveiling a new video every Tuesday, and running it at least 16 times that day. The first premiere will be Green Day's next single.

"We want Green Day to be a kind of house band for MTV2, the way people feel about MTV being the Eminem Network," says Tom Calderon, executive vice president of talent and music.

If you live or work in New York area, then you may have seen ads running for the past month featuring two-headed dogs and lines such as "GOES COMMANDO," although the spelling of the words looks more like GO ES COMM AN DO. These teaser campaign gave no clue as to what they meant, but referred the curious to a website featuring a "trick du jour" and promoting visitors to "sniff around."

The logo redesign began about nine months ago when MTV Networks decided to give MTV2 a new identity to differentiate it from MTV. MTV2 also made a large Internet buy on gaming Web sites and handed out two-headed dog hats, t-shirts, and sweatshirts in the New York area.

oh, so they make refrigerators!

1000% dud these days. It's actually sad how it really doesn't have ANY redeeming qualities left. Cynicism aside, it really did used to.

I do swear that MTV was actually pretty good once -- I don't think it's just because I'm older. Not only was the music better (especially with shows like AMP and 120 minutes) but even the early Real World casts were much more interesting than the ones now.

eurgh what a horrible idea. no video should be played that much in one day, esp. not when it's by fucking Green Day

this guy has no business doing this job

the quotes in that nypost article about kids liking indie rock music are refreshingly? disturbingly? transparent and weird.

In the mid to late 80's, wasn't there a radio station that simulcast the audio from MTV? Possibly broadcast out of NYC? I think the commercials might have been different, but the music videos played the same time so that you could listen along on the radio while watching... Unless my memory is crazy and this is totally not true at all.

Apparently I was featured on MTV.com in 2003 (yes... I know... amazing):

http://web.archive.org/web/20030823200614/http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus/topics/non_artist_topics/death_of_the_lp/082103.jhtml

MTV NEWS: YOU TELL US

Arguing Over The Album

Think back, for just a minute, to Nirvana's Nevermind — would it still be such a classic with the exclusion of half (or more) of its twelve timeless cuts? How about Radiohead's OK Computer? Would it even be worthy of its unanimous critical acclaim if reduced to "Paranoid Android" and a few outtakes? Now look at Tool's Lateralus. Although radio single "Schism" was one of its weakest tracks, the emotional depth and impact of the entire album left no listener unchanged in the wake of its perfection. Without the album format, what's left for the incredible artists who have a knack for writing timeless full-length works?

Stephen, 18
Austin, TX

hahaha awesome

A++

Although radio single "Schism" was one of its weakest tracks, the emotional depth and impact of the entire album left no listener unchanged in the wake of its perfection.

loooooool

I totally could have been a Pfork writer in 2003, amirite?

you said the same thing word for word about Fleet Foxes the other week

:'(

^^ me crying while listening to Robin Pecknold's voice... the voice of a beautiful angel.

is stephen ilxor really older than me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOhv63gSNQ

more here - http://www.urlesque.com/2010/08/20/90s-mtv-commercials/

You tell me... how old are you, Rev?

xp

24

Yup, I got a year on ya Rev.

VH1 Classic is showing awesome 80's and 90's MTV clips all weekend... shockingly uncut and without commentary. Just clips. I'm enjoying it.

"Clips" meaning non-videos... they just showed Redman on Cribs.

Watchin Biggie on the Grind Beach Party with Eric Nies, just watched Puck vs. Pedro. Really enjoying this tbh.

OMG lol 90s

taping all 12 hours of this tbh

think i'm od'ing on 90s nostalgia, need to sit down a minute here whoa

hey chris can i come over and watch HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS

This compilation of every 80s contest/giveaway is incredible!
Quiet Riot spends Christmas at your house!
Motley Cruise to nowhere!
Bon Jovi Jamaican holiday!
I don't even remember the Jon Cryer movie Hiding Out, but apparently they gave away an 87 Maserati as part of a prize package promotion.

hey chris can i come over and watch HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS

― maura, Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol, i emailed u the press release like three weeks ago and we had a conversation abt it.

taping all 12 hours of this tbh

I wish it was longer than 12 hours tbh.

It's refreshing to see these clips presented unedited and in random order, as opposed to some kind of "countdown" with a lame host, or without any lame commentary or interruptions from VJ's. This is the best way to re-air this stuff.. Some of these choices are so strange and unexpected... not typically the stuff that was shown on previous "Best of MTV" celebrations from 10-15 years ago. This is way better IMO.

Why aren't more people watching this? I figured ILM would love it.

It's refreshing to see these clips presented unedited and in random order, as opposed to some kind of "countdown" with a lame host, or without any lame commentary or interruptions from VJ's. This is the best way to re-air this stuff.. Some of these choices are so strange and unexpected... not typically the stuff that was shown on previous "Best of MTV" celebrations from 10-15 years ago. This is way better IMO.

Why aren't more people watching this? I figured ILM would love it.
--billstevejim

I told u I'm tapin it

Also, like the fact that ILX ppl, who are like main nerd demo for this, would straight up ignore 12 hours of incredible hand-curated nerd content; like we have no right to complain that the channel is all like "Pregnant And Juggalo" and "The Shrill, Screeching Worthless Orange Idiot HPV Hour"

it's technically on a subsidiary channel but yes agreed

Watching Dennis Miller open up the 1993 Rockin' Inaugural Ball (featuring Don Henley and Boyz II Men) by saying "President Nero, I mean Bush, had his elbow on the pulse of the American people..." is a little weird. "Finally, after 12 years, one of our guys is in the driver's seat...)

some of these old animated promos i haven't seen since 1993 practically gave me an acid flashback

MIck Mars speaking to the camera in a pirate voice about made me think I was reliving one.

just started hour one. tempted to just stay up all night and watch these

this is reminding me that there was a time in my life, where daily existence was so crushingly dull that I would watch House Of Style

man, denis leary really was our generation's dane cook

will you guys hold me if i start crying?

this is all reminding me of a time when music was magical to me instead of a parade of embarrassment

could you imagine Eric Clapton getting a millisecond of airtime on MTV today? They were playing this acoustic "Layla" between like White Zombie videos iirc

like how insane is it that MTV once BRANDED "playing an acoustic guitar" with an entirely new fucking word that we still use today?

i could watch like five hours of the pre-Pauls Boutique Beastie Boys gooning around

whiney how old are you?

turning 32 in October.

My town got MTV on April 1, 1988 and I practically lived on it until the late 90s

i have a lot of secondhand nostalgia for 90s pop culture but i always thought it was partly not having really lived through it @ the time

i for one am shocked that a chillwave enthusiast has a lot of secondhand nostalgia for 90s pop culture they didn't really actually through

*actually live through

fuck

anyway, Lamp, come sit on Papa Whiney's lap and I'll tell you what 1991 was really like without the rose-colored bullshit myths about the so-called "alternative revolution"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgZkMvTZo8Y

rad

anyway, Lamp, come sit on Papa Whiney's lap and I'll tell you what 1991 was really like without the rose-colored bullshit myths about the so-called "alternative revolution"

http://www.youtube.com/v/OgZkMvTZo8Y&fs=1&hl=en

― ennui morricone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 1, 2011 2:44 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

the williamsburg santa

Beard n all

j0rdan s do you also feel like ppl who got to go to college in the 90s had it made?

i dont know why i think this just seems like it woulda been p sweet

i think im older than j0rdan tho idk just seems like it was 'the right time' to be young

whiney im listening to 'the real ramona' how authentic is that as a '90s record'?

http://i.imgur.com/jteOB.png

anyway, Lamp, come sit on Papa Whiney's lap and I'll tell you what 1991 was really like without the rose-colored bullshit myths about the so-called "alternative revolution"

j0rdan s do you also feel like ppl who got to go to college in the 90s had it made?

i dont know why i think this just seems like it woulda been p sweet

i think im older than j0rdan tho idk just seems like it was 'the right time' to be young

whiney im listening to 'the real ramona' how authentic is that as a '90s record'?

― Magic (Lamp), Monday, August 1, 2011 2:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

you might be right, i can sorta feel you on that

college was pretty cool tho

Kinda surprised to learn that Whiney and I are the same age.
Watched all this at my parent's house, who happen to be out of town at the moment.
It's kind of eerie, like summer vacation memory reel.
I used to watch MTV all day just to catch L7 "pretend we're dead" or a Juliana Hatfield Three video or whatever.

someone should make a torrent of this shit

j0rdan s do you also feel like ppl who got to go to college in the 90s had it made?

I actually kinda feel you on this. I was junior high/high school during the whole "alternative" ish—1991 to 1996. And it was really life-affirming to like hone my tastes in an era where you didn't have to look to hard to see the Breeders or Ministry or Cypress Hill or Maggie Estep or whatever on TV.

However, while I was watching all the exciting alterna stuff go down, I was always too young to actually experience it first hand since I was sequestered in the deep suburbs (closest town was TAMPA, which was 90 minutes away). So I pretty much had to watch all the moments from a distance. I was 13 for Lollapalooza 93 and just read about it in mags. I was 14 for Woodstock 94 and just watched in on Pay Per View. By the time I was old enough to drive myself to Ybor City in 1996 and 1997 or whatever, I was catching bands on the decline--Ween, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, etc.

I grew up kind of believing college would finally be this hub of alternative thinking and by the time I attended in 1998 everything was just a disaster for my demographic. Music was like Wheatus and Eve6 and POD, movies were American Pie and Road Trip, TV shows were Undressed and Road Rules Challenge. I remember even being old enough to finally go to Woodstock 99 and just being crushed that within 5 years the lineup was a mooked-out rapefest.

Kinda surprised to learn that Whiney and I are the same age.
--Trip Maker

U think I was older or younger?

I always forget you were a Floridian, whiney.

I actually think that the musical college experience was impacted pretty negatively by the rise of the internet & the laptop computer (and the subsequent decrease in the importance/interest of television), two things that in many other ways have made it better (or: easier, or: more fun) to be a college student. I went to college '91-'95 and there was at that time a feeling of shared culture - people didn't all like the same shit but everybody seemed to know a little about what everybody else was into. Once the hub of TV was removed, everything got frayed: I don't think it particularly matters what's at the center of a discourse (a lot of the nineties music you guys get misty about is shit that I hate the living fuck out of, but I get nostalgic for when it was around all the same), but the absence of a discursive center just makes things boring

imo, I could be completely wrong about this

By the time I was old enough to drive myself to Ybor City in 1996 and 1997 or whatever

!!! whiney did you run into ppl from a hold steady song??

Whiney was people in a Hold Steady song.

Eh. I was in college '92 through '96, a victim of intense Anglophilia. I shared very little with musical culture. I looked for Visage and Bowie albums in used bins.

i liked college so much i went from 93 to 99 and didn't even finish my undergrad

Yeah, aero, I agree totally. That's a lot of what I talk about in my annoying speeches. Like I did a performance at a rock club in Greenpoint the other day where I asked how many people had heard "Rolling In The Deep," by Adele, then the number one song in the country. Maybe 1/3 of the crowd. But like go back to 1992 and ask about Boyz II Men, and it would be 100%, easy

but the absence of a discursive center just makes things boring

i really do not look forward to going to weddings in 2030, because at least now we can get nostalgic for weirdo outliers like "Groove Is In The Heart" or "Baby Got Back." The only monoculture we'll be able to share in our old age is Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas and "New York State Of Mind."

Eh. I was in college '92 through '96, a victim of intense Anglophilia. I shared very little with musical culture. I looked for Visage and Bowie albums in used bins.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 1, 2011 11:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you were aware of the "britpop" that MTV was playing all the time right?

That's what I was alluding to...? But Blur and Pulp had no impact outside college stations. They got played, what, a few times on 120 Minutes or whatever?

yeah I gotta say I had to buy a Pulp CD used in Chicago in '95 to find out what Pulp was all about. MTV's flirtation with Britpop was (mercifully imo, lol, after Pulp & some Suede you can pretty much keep that stuff) surface-level.

Oh god, I just watched that White Trash video and realized that the whole time I thought I was "skanking", what I really was doing was "skipping". Oh, god. Oh, god.

yeah to say MTV was playing Blur "all the time" isn't accurate...Oasis got played all the time..."common people" might have gotten played a bit

Oasis and Radiohead and Elastica were all over regular MTV rotation, Bowie did his Reznor thing and was all over it too. Blur and Ash and (ugh) Black Grape and Supergrass were on practically every episode 120 Minutes/Alt Nation.

I'm just saying that you probably shared more with 90s musical culture than you seem willing to admit

yeah to say MTV was playing Blur "all the time" isn't accurate

I must have watched way more than you (entirely possible), because I remember seeing "Boys & Girls" dozens of times

and MTV also ignored Tricky, PJ Harvey, and Massive Attack. "Down By The River" and ""50 Ft Queenie" got some play, I guess.

Yeah, I was in undergrad from 1994-1998, then grad school til 2000. It was quite an interesting time to be in college, thats for sure. My freshman class in 1994 was the first to be issued official school email addresses, of which like myself and four of my friends even bothered using. Of course we were the same ones actually hooking our computers up in our dorm rooms to get on IRC and read mailing lists.

I'm always glad that I was in college before cell phones got to the point where everyone had them. Some of my best memories from the time center around walking over to someone's house to meet someone, them not being there but hanging out with some new people waiting or just chilling somewhere waiting to meet up with someone. Sure it would have been infinitely more efficient to text and/or call to coordinate meeting times to maximize time on the couch before leaving my apartment, but a good 90% of the best interactions/times I had in college came randomly because I was waiting for someone else.

I watched MTV pretty consistently in the 90s up until the initial death of Beavis and Butt-head and the rise of TRL. I mostly watched when my mother was out of the house during the weekdays (She wasn't crazy about B&B or Real World) or on the second TV in the bedroom. I also watched VH1 but they tended to air niche stuff like the Divas thing that I didn't care for as much.

My freshman class in 1994 was the first to be issued official school email addresses, of which like myself and four of my friends even bothered using

yeah haha I remember thinking, "Why would I use THIS?"

i always got the sense that elastica was "britpop" for ppl that didn't really get into britpop cuz all the trV kVlt britpoppers i knew didn't seem to rate them

i would put blur at "moderate play" at least for boys & girls, but not heavy rotation...and no other blur songs i can remember until Song 2 got out of the 120 mins ghetto

I'm just saying that you probably shared more with 90s musical culture than you seem willing to admit

Just so we're clear: I didn't want to position myself as an outsider cuz who cares about them. I wanted to be part of the culture! The closest I came to consciously stepping away was when I stopped listening to pop and hip-hop between 1994 and 1996; I had to do a lot of catching up in the late nineties.

I omitted Oasis and Elastica from my original list cuz they actually shipped gold and platinum.

you know i really wonder how much of our impression that mtv was playing '90s indie/alt outliers "all the time" is down to endless beavis and butt-head repeats.

because the idea that i was gonna turn on mtv in the middle of a weekday and get helium and not, say, another viewing of "hey man, nice shot" doesn't square with my memories. at all.

I mean, I also watched Alternative Nation every night and 120 Minutes every Sunday. I'm just saying I distinctly remember them playing Blur in the middle of the day, no one is saying Daisy Chainsaw here

tbf there's only three of here who probably even remember who daisy chainsaw is

jesus christ Daisy Chainsaw!

I'm one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZWCGs7tFw

*Raises hand*

btw i'm not at all denying mtv's entertainment value or its centrality to my daily life even once i became a total anti-radio snob for a few years in the mid '90s.

xposts okay well that's five of us then.

I was too nervous to buy a Daisy Chainsaw album because of their name.

i think Darlene went to a Daisy Chainsaw concert on an episode of Roseanne

I bought Eleventeen and took it back to the store because it was too far out for me. I RE-bought it a couple years later and fell in love with it.

xp yes, she did!

I bought Eleventeen and took it back to the store because it was too far out for me.

i did that with 36 Chambers :/

haha the only record i can remember buying that FREAKED ME OUT was "angel dust" but i persevered

also one of the few i ever had to hide from my parents because 1992 was the only year they seemed to give a shit about the parental advisory sticker

strongo - I thought my copy of angel dust was actually heatwarped or something so I exchanged it at musicland. Getting it home and hearing the exact same thing was pretty revelatory for me.

(note that these transactions involved a 30-minute bike ride each way to the mall in a Maryland summer.)

...I even have a Daisy Chainsaw shirt. Never actually saw 'em so it must have been from a friend who worked at A&M.

ned i kind of imagine your closet as being to band t-shirts what imelda marcos's was to shoes

You're not far wrong.

That said my girlfriend looks askance at some of my choices given their collapsing structural integrity. Then again she somehow ended up with my Bowie/NIN tour shirt, so.

pix!

Great, another Tumblr.

haha I thought Daisy Chainsaw was a made-up sitcom band. next you're gonna tell me Eu4oria is a real drug.

well, it is....under a different name.

daisy chainsaw IS exactly the kind of band darlene connor would have been listening to

True, but not the neighbor girl who got in those guys' van (also not Daisy Chainsaw material, those guys).

Who knew, they had another video at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAhWI4BWBvM

They actually even made a second album after Katie Jane left. (Not a good one, though.)

"a very special episode of roseanne...featuring music from prolapse and therapy?"

Haha, I haven't thought about Daisy Chainsaw in a long time. There used to be a vocal contingent of Queen Adreena fans on another message board I used to frequent years ago, it was quite a surprise when I made that connection.

There's even a Queen Adreena thread on here. Not a Daisy Chainsaw one (yet, at least):

Queen Adreena - gothic or dud

Queenadreena basically picks up right where Katie Jane-era Daisy Chainsaw left off, except some of the songs are much longer.

Whiney, I think I am just ambivalent about turning thirty two at the end of August.
You're making it too real.

and oh shit, my parents are getting back in town today, better clean up the house!

Man, would love to see some Sifl and Olly reruns; IMO that was the best of their weird homegrown TV shows

there was a noticeable lack of sifl and olly.

I have no idea how I LOVED sifl & Olly but loathe Tim & Eric.

socks imo

Sifl & Olly was just innocently funny. Tim & Eric is all *wink wink* "we're SOOOO clever!"

sifl and olly was just goofy fuck-around cable-access shit that somehow found its way on basic cable, like so much i loved in the '90s.

tim and eric is like...self-conscious art-comedy. or something

or what johnny f said.

sifl and olly also feels like the tail-end of a certain knowing-but-not-toxic '90s aesthetic whereas for better or worse tim and eric is VERY '00s.

sifl and olly was just goofy fuck-around cable-access shit that somehow found its way on basic cable, like so much i loved in the '90s.

fuck, remember ODDVILLE?

Was waiting and waiting for the Rosie Perez going bipolar on racism psa. it never came up.

hahaha jesus, oddville.

this just popped into my fb feed, speaking of

http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/400665/jimmy-the-cab-driver-ironic.jhtml#id=1613860

I mean, i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again." It def defined like Spike Jones and Michel Gondry videos, TV shows like Mr. Show and Sifl&Olly, the design of Coop and Kozik, the careers of bands from Melvins up through Smashing Pumpkins.

The 00s are defined by entitled kids growing up with the EXPECTATION of their art validated by corporations, which is why Cool Kids will bend over backwards to have an Mountain Dew logo on their album cover, or Tim & Eric can make a whole show without any jokes.

In a way, Louis CK's new show is very 90s.

I bought Eleventeen and took it back to the store because it was too far out for me.
i did that with 36 Chambers :/

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 1, 2011 3:36 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

:-o

lol i had NO IDEA that jimmy the cab driver was donal logue until right now

i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

agree with this btw. was definitely building throughout the '80s but yeah.

i think the 90s were defined by this attitude of "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/covers/green-jelly-cereal-killer.jpg

hoos, i was a huuuuuge rap nerd from 88 to 92. When I started getting my teenage identity-crisis growing pains in the wake of the Chronic, I felt like a music about inner city tribulations and smoking endo and whatever just wasn't being made FOR me. I didn't relate anymore. I needed Ministry and Faith No More or whatever

For a short while, I became a rockist (an alt-rockist, tbh) and by like age 15 or whatever, getting a CD of a bunch of dudes sitting around a microphone going "Yo Meth where my Killa Tape at God?" (what?!) just sounded like lazy, retarded, stupid bullshit to me.

Obviously, I changed my tune about a year later.

soto, we could probably have a whole thread of 90s "lets do something cool and punky and a little arty, since we're lucky to be on the company dime for once and probably never again."

lots of Britpop qualifies tbh

well i mean hell hype williams counts in this regard too

"In a way, Louis CK's new show is very 90s."

only if the next episode he goes skydiving with dan cortese while screaming, "I'm gonna dip my BALLS in it"

haha well in terms of "never being on the company dime again" i think we can say the state crew won, even if the victory gets a little pyrrhic at times.

A lot of those dudes are STILL on Viacom's dime!

yeah that's what i meant

i think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfRH01iG1U

has anyone ever seen Austin Stories since it was on? I'm curious how that holds up

most of them are also still not funny

xp

also agreed sifl and ollie were the shit

performance art, performance art...bringing mannequin parts...to the park

sifl and olly also feels like the tail-end of a certain knowing-but-not-toxic '90s aesthetic whereas for better or worse tim and eric is VERY '00s.

One of the things I noticed about T&E videos is that everything seemed so very deliberate, all their "screw-ups" seem very rehearsed, whereas S&O really did seem like "we have a week to make this, so we don't have time for re-writes or second takes". The "Songs of Season 1" disc is still a favorite of mine. I love how they did songs like "Gravy for Baby" which were only like half-thought out and seemed like you were hearing them trying it for the first time.

haha well in terms of "never being on the company dime again" i think we can say the state crew won, even if the victory gets a little pyrrhic at times.

I wanted to get on these guys for being such shitty directors, but it turns out that they know that movies like "Night at the Museum" are shit and do it anyway because it pays so well

the mtv wiki is filled with wonderful nuggets btw

The fact that at the time rock music fans were less materialists and bought less music based on television suggestion were cited as reasons that MTV abandoned its once staple music.

oh, i see.

has anyone ever seen Austin Stories since it was on? I'm curious how that holds up

I haven't, but one of my friends moved to LA and ended up being bffs with Chip. He's a cool guy.

woah!

As a result, MTV's viewers became familiar with the names of Spike Jonze, Michel Gondry, David Fincher, Samuel Bayer, Matt Mahurin, Mark Romanek, Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris, Anton Corbijn, Mark Pellington, Tarsem, Hype Williams, Jake Scott, Jonathan Glazer, Marcus Nispel, F. Gary Gray, Jim Yukich, Russell Mulcahy, Steve Barron and Marty Callner, among others.

terrifying to me how many of these people still delight/horrify us regularly at the cinema now.

list forgot Brett Ratner lol

Also, Gore Verbinski.

i do feel bad for all those kids who went to film school with me in the late '90s and assumed that directing music videos would continue to be a profitable career after they graduated.

or writing about music

"i knew you grew up thinking you'd get to make your own 'closer' one day, but ten years from now you'll be lucky to get a case of beer and a pat on the head for directing a best coast video that will be a one-day-only feature on pitchfork tv."

pitch... fork?

so i was just recounting to my friend the other day how i remember kurt loder reporting keith haring's death on mtv news in 1990 (even though i was six and it was the first time i'd ever heard of him, and looking back maybe the first time i ever heard of AIDS?), and it was weird for all of us to imagine that there was a time when mtv had a tentative finger on like downtown nyc art circles (even tho by the time he died i guess KH had become known worldwide for the berlin wall graffiti)

^^^surely the Haring ref was cuz of Madonna tbf

tho i do think a few downtown nyc types found their way onto mtv via bumper animations and the like in the '80s

the first time i ever heard of AIDS was like at age 7 when I wanted to be "blood brothers" with my best friend and he told me about new risks that made the age old ritual impossible

has that andy warhol show from the '80s ever found its way to the surface? there were only a couple of eps right?

tho i do think a few downtown nyc types found their way onto mtv via bumper animations and the like in the '80s

― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, August 1, 2011 1:17 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The MTV30 thing played the bumper Robert Longo did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn5iKVB6g5U

also yeah i guess a lot of those dudes also made videos (william wegman, robert longo etc)

lol xp

http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/mtv-greenlights-dumb-girls-comedy-pilot/

controversial titles

great monday thread, keep it goin

man i gotta say every time i tune into a new mtv sitcom/drama i am 0_o at how explicit they are. not in a THIS CHANNEL IS DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY kinda way. just amazement at how much they can get away with now.

i guess that is true across the board, tv-wise, but still.

I lol'd at the dearth of applause after Madonna's SHOCKING and ICONIC "Like a Virgin performance on the first Video Awards. She bascially just rolls on the floor for a few minutes, it's great, and then ten people clapped.

Britney looked great wearing her vagina in her Oops I Did it Again VMA performance.

haha yeah madonna humping the floor is definitely one of those "my, how far we've come..." moments.

What is MTV going to be like in 2019 for today's kids to be forced to get all nostalgiac for like Teen Mom and Teen Wolf and shit?

grade school mom and the real world: off-world colony

LOL OLDS

most ppl i know who watched mtv a lot in the post-video ere just ended up not watching it & aren't really nostalgic for real world-road rules challenges

i think the last thing ppl got rightfully nostalgic about was trl

the end to that madonna performance was pretty awkward!

i used to watch a lot of mtv when i was younger iirc

real world new orleans 4 ever

dave holmes

man i gotta say every time i tune into a new mtv sitcom/drama i am 0_o at how explicit they are. not in a THIS CHANNEL IS DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY kinda way. just amazement at how much they can get away with now.

― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, August 1, 2011 3:00 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno, i dont think anything on MTV right now is as explicit as Undressed was, save maybe Skins, which tanked

tom green show

I don't know anyone IRL - adult, teenager or child - who has regularly watched or given a shit about anything on MTV since the late 90s.

what's tom green doing now? i'm guessing semi-popular podcast

Shakey Mo, get the fuck out of here

throwing piggies off a hill, i hope

I remember my grandma being suuuuper o_O at catching me watching this video at age 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImRyPymRAM

http://i.imgur.com/WnerK.gif

i'm sure xhucx would agree but the Jesse & the 8th Street Kidz album still holds up

The reaction shots from Timberlake and Mary J. Blige during the Britney/Xtina/Madonna lesbo orgy VMA performance are hilarious.

I was disappointed that the only Martha Quinn moment I saw during this MTV birthday celebration is a five second clip of her saying "Hi! I'm Martha Quinn." Queen Live Aid performance is good.
Biggie on the Grind, though, holy shit. Oh and Radiohead playing Creep at a Spring Break Beach party!

i am still and can't ever see myself not being nostalgic for early road rules (pre-RR/RW challenge shit) eps

I was kind of hoping it would be a never-ending cycle of olds bitching about youngs via MTV.

"Man, remember when MTV used to play videos all the time before this House of Style bullshit?"
"Man, remember when MTV used to play whole videos without teenagers screaming and sending 'shout-outs' over the top?"
"Man, remember when MTV used to play videos at all?"
"Man, remember when MTV used to play those good reality shows like Real World and Road Rules?"
"Man, remember when MTV used to have shows with Nick Cannon?"
etc, etc, ad infinitum

the lasting legacy of mtv for my generation of teens is jackass, quite obviously

jersey shore is a bit past my age

from my experience, ppl that are into music would be v nostalgic about the box

Oh man The Box was great.

the lasting legacy of mtv for my generation of teens is jackass, quite obviously

― J0rdan S.

so not true 4 me

jackass means nothing to me really

I was kind of hoping it would be a never-ending cycle of olds bitching about youngs via MTV.

i'm proud of ilx for not being so tacky

jackass means nothing to me really

― markers, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:21 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark

damn, son

mtv was too entertaining for me, at precisely the right time in my life, to really give a shit what happened to it after i tuned out

i mean there's only so far you can take affection for a giant corporation before you blunder into fondly remembering commercials

oh right Jackass. allright I retract my previous post. totally forgot Jackass was MTV tbh

i'm proud of ilx for not being so tacky

Except a big chunk of this thread has been you bitching about MTV not being as good as it used to be.

kennedy turning out to be some neocon harpie was real disappointment to me.

lewis largent is doing 20 years to life for murder

kennedy turning out to be some neocon harpie was real disappointment to me.

otm!

I am disappointed this isn't true. xp

jackass means nothing to me really

― markers, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:21 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark

also true for me

cursing the fact that there's no lewis largent wiki to fact-check that

ARe you fucking with me?!
Now I'm freaking out a little.
RE: Kennedy and LL.

Except a big chunk of this thread has been you bitching about MTV not being as good as it used to be.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

find me one post

best kennedy moment ever was her trying to interview martin landau.

landau having none of her gen x glibness.

no nobody gives two fucks for kennedy.

i had the hugest crush on kennedy for real tho

I always hated her but now I think I am retroactively attracted to her.
Lol nostalgia is weird

find me one post

Well not bitching, but iirc the whole general tone of this recent revive is how much better MTV was in the 90s, right?

always hated her and yes she is a neocon harpy

hey let's not get into this argument because who cares

god i hated kennedy at the time

i mean i'm sure i'd hate her now, too, maybe even more, but she's not showing up on my tv six hours per day

In a 2000 interview she is quoted as saying that she is a registered Republican but an ideological libertarian.

In a 2010 interview on Fox Business's Freedom Watch she discussed her libertarian views with Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Well not bitching, but iirc the whole general tone of this recent revive is how much better MTV was in the 90s, right?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:29 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

anyway, despite markers' + hoos' protests, i think objectively speaking jackass is the legacy of mtv for our gen of teenagers, and it's a pretty damn good one!

i like jersey shore as much as the next person, but jackass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

kennedy was always the worst

i don't care if kennedy voted for the fuckin lizard people, she was on the top of my 95 smash list

I always hated her so much. She was always trying way too hard to be alt when you know that in her tiny blackened soul she secretly loved Nelson.

Oh wow, you got me there Whiney "YOU LOSE! I WIN!", "winning" an "argument" like a four year-old. I hate you so much sometimes.

brb dying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS4nyMkdpw

awwwww i'd never seen that

Oh wow, you got me there Whiney "YOU LOSE! I WIN!", "winning" an "argument" like a four year-old. I hate you so much sometimes.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:32 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

Oh I remember that Ringwald thing! That was deep in the depths of my huge crush on her.

i used to spend a lot of my lunch time in, like, 7th(?) or 8th(?) (or both?) grade or talking about music videos w/ one of my best friends iirc -- good times

http://i.imgur.com/3ejTc.gif

she is dressed like andie in pretty in pink

Like Whiney is the premiere example of an intelligent dude that should never post on a message board because he completely undercuts all the good crit-work he does by behaving like a complete fucking tool.

other mtv shows important 2 me: the ashlee simpson show, the assistant (andy dick's show)

guys can we get away from internet arguing and children posting about turn-of-the-millennium mtv and back to griping about alternative nation vjs

stfu

u old

http://i.imgur.com/tNyqK.jpg

We all need to be more young at heart like markers. <3

if it means stanning for the ashlee simpson show i am happy to be a withered old man with a boner for molly ringwald

We need some of Scott's Kari Wurher anecdotes

strongotm

It was one thing to see all the clips from when I was a regular viewer, but there was this weird elastic disconnect of nostalgia happening on me last night while watching those post-90s clips, when I had finally outgrown MTV and wasn't paying attention to it anymore. Even though I never watched Jackass or Eminem on the Video Awards, I knew at the time who they were of course. To me, that much time hasn't gone by since they first aired, but yep, 10 years. It's like when the NFL Channel shows month-old games and they're all played on filmstock, slightly in slow motion.

Seeing "Hit Me Baby One More Time' on an episode of TRL reminded me of 9/11. Weird how things get crosswired.

Oh, and how I have been spoiled on HDTV. They may as well have been playing herky-jerky sepia movies from the Edison era when showing some of those in-studio clips.

Andy Dick: worst guy on earth vs. a troubled soul suffering from addiction

whatever everyone on tv was prettier pre-hd

^^^old

any excuse to post the Andy Dick Anti-Drug PSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFrw7uQo5J0

carson daly settled so comfortably into his younger more boring nu-dick clark persona that it almost seems weird that he was on MTV at all now

yeah i have to admit that when carson was on trl i kinda thought he projected a subtly above-it-all attitude but i guess he was just waiting to become showbiz shill dude all along

one of my fave trl moments was when he tried to drop a joke about rush

tom green went on trl 2 retire the bum bum song iirc

after it #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0nyfULWn4I

i remember the horror as if it was yesterday.

Do you remember the video for you are not alone?

ARen't they naked in a bathtub together?

man i wish there was a better clip of pee-wee's post-bust vma's appearance. that made me so happy.

on the other hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR6Ek2g5KJI

I think I still have a VHS copy of the MTV Awards with the MJ kiss somewhere. That was also the one where Sandra Bullock was presenting with someone (I want to say Adam Sandler) and she misread the cue on the teleprompter and asked Adam what it was like to kiss Keanu Reeves. He handlded it pretty well and riffed about how safe he felt in Keanu's arms.

never forget, kids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYXyTx97Z4U

fiona apple otm

i think objectively speaking jackass is the legacy of mtv for our gen of teenagers

i'm curious what your thought process is here, cause i don't see it. but i always hated jackass tbh.

go on, girl, go with yourself.

I remember a weird "5-day weekend" I got after being suspended from school when I was 13 where I did nothing but watch dumb shit on MTV and VH1. Remember Robbie William's "Millenium" video quite well and thought the song/video were amazing. Also "No Scrubs" came on a lot and I had a serious crush on TLC, only to find out they didn't look so hot outside of that video

well for one, it was the most successful new mtv show from that era -- it was a genuine cultural phenomenon

xp to hoos

she was too real and too frail for this world

i'm curious what your thought process is here, cause i don't see it. but i always hated jackass tbh.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, August 1, 2011 3:55 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OH FFS, ANYONE UNDER 26 STFU AND GO TO THE DEXTERS LAB THREAD OR SOMETHING FUCK

Seriously I think J0rdan is pretty much 100% otm. I mean, what other MTV shows from that era are still cranking out reasonably successful feature film sequels?

i agree w/j0rdan, it seems like jersey shore and jackass are the more recent things that were really culture wide from mtv.

Also "No Scrubs" came on a lot and I had a serious crush on TLC, only to find out they didn't look so hot outside of that video

o_O

I love you guys like little brothers, but the hoos, jordan, markers, jon, delonge jack-off sesh has to go, because some real talk about Downtown Julie Brown vs Uptown Julie Brown is about to pop off

Watching all this on VH1 Classic made me wonder when we'll see the special three-day weekend for this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-926c5NU8

Hahahhahahaha Whiney seriously has no fucking idea how old I am.

because some real talk about Downtown Julie Brown vs Uptown Julie Brown is about to pop off

uptown all the fucking way - Shakes the Clown forever

i dont even have the energy to scroll up to see who said that about tlc but go fuck yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZydtG3xqI&ob=av2e

Jackass was the last gasp for the 90s generation on MTV imo. It was fun (or not) for people markers' age, but it was real life for people older.

every look tlc ever rocked is classic. love the aesthetic of the ain't 2 proud 2 beg video.

I want to tell horeshoe otm, but I'm afraid Captain Whiney won't allow his thread to be besmirched with an opinion that isn't his.

yeah jackass is definitely "gen x" minutemen theme and all...

Downtown Julie Brown 4EVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEU_5lVjRFQ

seems like every moment of mtv ever broadcast is up on yt... like martha quinn marveling over frippertronics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Wa3QJLkFQ

Just Say Julie was such a weird show. Like it was this kind of "fake airhead" that i guess MTV thought they could play to real airheads? Kind of the Stifler of her day?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Whitegirl.jpg

noticeable lack of Singled Out clips in this birthday celebration

Anyway, between Uptown Julie and Jessica Rabbit, it pretty much established my lifelong fascination with redheads even as a wee nine year old, tbh

I love you guys like little brothers, but the hoos, jordan, markers, jon, delonge jack-off sesh has to go, because some real talk about Downtown Julie Brown vs Uptown Julie Brown is about to pop off

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten)

http://i.imgur.com/jrL8E.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuWBU0OQbA

^^^funniest scene Kathy Griffin has ever been in

singled out is a pretty good representation of how i'd watch mtv even when there was something on i didn't really even like because it was probably better than whatever else was on

True story, my college had a version of Singled Out for charity and I was one of the "bachelors" or whatever the guys were called that started out in the corral. I ended up in the last two guys and it all came down to the question "N'Sync - tearin' up my heart? Or tearin' up my ears?". I answered wrong and didn't get the date. :(

correct answer was "tearin up my ass" amirite?

Should've been a choice.

shakey!

wtf carmen electra was on singled out at one point

on singled out when you advanced to the next stage sometimes the DJ would scratch "welcome to the next w-w-w-welcome to tha next level" from showbiz & ag

you know there is one aspect of "classic" mtv suspiciously missing from this love-fest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsC-GXd0q6A

That was back when Jenny McCarthy was hot and before she turned into super-crazy "vaccination is wrong" lady. She was exteremely popular at my school because the Catholic high school she went with was like a feeder school for University of Illinois. Rumor has it she went to a couple parties there in her early fame days, but these were totally unconfirmed.

did anybody on the basement tapes ever make it?

Still can't get past the fact that dude from Web Soup was co-host on Singled Out.

brb having a moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHdYgVrV_I

Oh man Lisa Loeb is all-time "moment" material.

did see footage of Jenny McCarthy introducing No Doubt at Spring Break '96. No repeats of the Jenny McCarthy Show though.

i probably hallucinated this but i swear i remember rocket from the crypt playing the mtv beach house one year

i prolly said this before, but I remember in 1993, MTV threw a big Halloween Bash with Primus (my favorite band), White Zombie (my best friend's favorite band) and Positive K. I don't think either one of us would have ever predicted that the Positive K record would ultimately getting the most play from us circa 2011

okay so I never really saw any of the other TLC videos, just had a weird thing for that video + the Janet Jackson one w/ Busta Rhymes, that creepy techno-busty look was A+ with a 13-year old me

i probably hallucinated this but i swear i remember rocket from the crypt playing the mtv beach house one year

No, I remember seeing this! I may have even taped it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqzCT5pzBRA

people were so damned earnest. even about fucking ween.

this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnzis-V_K90

wow

from my experience, ppl that are into music would be v nostalgic about the box

― J0rdan S., Monday, August 1, 2011 12:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

YES YES YES

Wreckx-n-Effect "Rumpshaker"

This video ran on what seemed like a continuous loop on The Box, a UHF video-request channel, during the early to mid 1990's. Every time I'd try to pass out on a friend's couch, the heater would chap my lips and "Rumpshaker" would be on the TV set. I even think that The Box used the sax solo as the background music on its 1-900 menus.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:19 PM Bookmark

Nothing like a hot summer's day to bring back memories of that saxophone riff.

what memories are we gonna share for Pitchfork's big 20?

oh man, some mouth-breathing TV Tropers figured the highest P4k-list-ranked album of every year and made a compilation on wiki (lmfao pavement, 1992; pavement, 1994). Is this what markers' generation is going to have to look back on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork_Media#Pitchforks_Album_of_the_Year

2002 Interpol Turn on the Bright Lights United States 9.5
2002 Or the top album for this year according to the decade end list would be Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

CONTRADICT MYSELF IN MY RHYMES LIKE IM TUPAC

As if you've never done some nerdy list making in your time, c'mon.

I mean, extrapolating Pitchfork albums of the year of the past is on some next level nerd shit, but, still, this is like the bread and butter of music nerds.

But, that's okay, it makes Whiney feel all warm inside to call other music nerds names, so, he wins I guess.

jon, the ilx mods told me to breathe deep and count to 10 instead of argue with you. http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

there was a period of my life, maybe from like 9-12, when i actually had an encyclopedic (read: aspie) knowledge of which particular videos were featured on the box, what their three-digit touchtone numbers were, when videos got removed from rotation, etc. i also wrote down the mtv top 20 countdown listings and notated how many spots each video moved up and down from the previous week, debuts, etc. i don't have anything near this level of obsessive listmaking anymore, which i'm mostly pretty glad about

A friend of mine was featured in a popular video and I didn't have cable. The one time I called The Box and gave them my credit card, just so I could see what my friends were talking about.

And without any notation or warning, they played a live version of the song instead. Fucking Box.

right now they're replaying MTV's first ever hour of programming -- Ph.D's "Little Suzi's on the Up" is really awesome, i've never heard this song before!

jon, the ilx mods told me to breathe deep and count to 10 instead of argue with you.

You shouldn't really need the mods to tell you that, but kudos I suppose.

jon you are baiting whiney who is doing his level best so be cool man.

That wasn't baiting, it was commenting on general good advice for anyone on the internet.

My mere existence seems to bait Whiney.

Ph.D's "Little Suzi's on the Up" is really awesome, i've never heard this song before!

Tesla covered it on Mechanical Resonance, so I was familiar with the cover for years before I knew it was actually a cover. Now I like the original just as well.

'baitin xp

(i just wanted to say 'baitin)

i often read a whiney post & hear jim jones yelling "'BAAIIIITIN" in my head

had totally forgotten abt 'just say julie'

Interesting seeing how slow-paced tv was back then. I also love that they showed the original commercials. My wife and I were saying "I remember seeing that commercial!" at the mountain dew commercial and laughing at the fact that it would never be shown today. Mmm...nothing goes better with quadriplegia than an ice cold mountain dew!

men they really did not have to include any beavis & butt-head in this, they've been overplaying the reruns for like 15 years now

also, like i really hate the revisionist history that the b&b cartoons are so good, to where an episode is now three segments no videos. everyone who lived thru it knows the cartoons were ok, the video segments were the true genius. when they released em on DVD without the videos, it was like, "why bother?"

B&B without the videos is awful to sit through.

http://thebbpodcast.com/

B&B without the videos is awful to sit through.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, August 1, 2011 11:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm. one more thing to blame the jordan/hoos generation for

ok yall hour 3 LETS DO THIS

I wanted to check some of this out but the hotel that my job finds me staying in tonight doesn't get VH-1. I'll just take my First World Problems Oscar now, thanks

switch hotels

i would imagine steven tyler has a lot of affection for 80s mtv huh

we got stupid paid by those dudes in the mid-80s, fuck yeah

haha, whwn i was 13, i had no idea how fucking condescending the rock and roll inaugural ball was, what a treat.

i think the first time i ever saw the sexy lesbo aerosmith vid was as a pop up video, which informed me that the blonde chick was also in clueless.

God I am so ashamed of that record & those videos. Just as an artist. We were one of the best, best bands. Even our failures were interesting. And then we cleaned up & got rich & more people loved us than ever even liked us before, but their love was hollow. OTOH fuck I am so serious you couldn't watch MTV for ten minutes without seeing some of our shit, fuck yeah

dude looks like a lady is the best aerosmith song btw

― seger ros (crüt), Monday, August 9, 2010 5:29 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah but think of all the boners you gave us

hey whatcha doin 2nite America? probably watching the premiere of "Janie's Got A Gun" over & over & over again because it is time for uncle Steve to get 100% paid and be rich, fuck yeah

dude looks like a lady is the best aerosmith song btw

― seger ros (crüt), Monday, August 9, 2010 5:29 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― blapplebees (crüt), Monday, August 1, 2011 11:35 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

word to "mrs. doubtfire"

just doin a little memory lane here sorry to hijack the thread y'all

God "Dude," holy hell, how can I even look at myself in the mirror for choosing that hot bowl of dogshit over od'ing young, I don't know but you know what, I did & I can buy you now, totally just pay you to do shit you'll be ashamed of later, just living life 1 day at a time y'all

for like six months my mom thought the chorus to "love in an elevator" was actually "loving a man like rita"

i think it actually took pointing at the credits when the video came on to disabuse her of this insane notion

i don't remember, was there even a youth-geared channel/event for Obama to appear on when he got elected?

youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMNgbISmF4I

steven tyler, you pimped out your own daughter for mtv, and i thank you for it

theres some 90s bon jovi vid that i saw when i was like nine that i honestly thought was pornography...

the dude in the 'cryin'' vid has p good style tbh except for his lame jeans

i don't remember, was there even a youth-geared channel/event for Obama to appear on when he got elected?

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 1, 2011 11:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

youtube

― J0rdan S., Monday, August 1, 2011 11:41 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, ok, jon, now i'll say it. shit was really better back in the day.

they should really put out one of those directors boxes like the did for gondry and jonze but w/ just the alicia silverstone/aerosmith videos on them

word to "mrs. doubtfire"

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 2, 2011 3:36 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

good lookin out

wasn't there one with some virtual reality nonsense?

haha of course there was, strongo. of course there was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSmOvYzSeaQ

as someone who only owned an old green-screen tandy until he graduated from high school, i pretty much thought all computing was like this and the "scenario" video.

man strongo let me tell you 1 thing and then I'll get off this reminiscing tip. I'm in the studio delivering the spoken intro to that bag of piss you posted the video for above and I had what we call in recovery a "crisis of conscience," because I thought, the young hungry steve who screeched "bright light fright" like somebody'd kill him if he did it wrong & now doesn't even remember it, that young steve would fling shit angry-monkey style at the guy delivering that corny-ass intro. only then I thought, you still got the eye of the tiger steve! only now it's more honed in on for example do I protect my savings by moving them into offshore accounts, or do I take advantage of lax regulations in the real estate industry, instead of shit like, do I boge the 8-ball joe k left on the nightstand or will he pout when he finds out? and then I kinda meditated on that and belted out the rest of "crazy" in one take. true story!

i've seen that video about 900 times in the last 17 years and to be honest i never even noticed there was a song there so i wouldn't worry about it too much.

"Scenario" video >>>>>>>>>>> any other computer themed video of the 90s.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2752/screenshot20110801at105v.pnghttp://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2752/screenshot20110801at105v.pnghttp://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2752/screenshot20110801at105v.png

the reason whiney is kinda right that 90s is better than now is that even if their music is better ford + lopatin could never get alicia silverstone in a lace-up mini dress to appear in one of their videos

actually at this point they probably could

http://i.imgur.com/0lePL.jpg

xp - yeah reading her wiki is p depressing although i guess shes in an upcoming amy heckerling movie so thats something

how did i never realize what a brilliant concept FASHIONABLY LOUD was?

lol @ the Lampiverse where Ford + Lopatin is our generation's Aerosmith

OK, I'm straight googling these four fashionably loud "win a modeling contract" girls and seeing how their modeling career is 12 years later

man, uncle kracker really leans into those turntables

lol @ the Lampiverse where Ford + Lopatin is our generation's Aerosmith

lol whiney im p sure that aerosmith is your generations aerosmith

anyway thats clearly not what i think, dont be retarded

i know, i was jokin too

GO AWAY, BAITIN'

i give the mods my permission to delete any sbs u accrue arguing w/ me fwiw

esp since i figure youll help me curate my marty callner directors label entry

yo,

can I just say that MTV's sneaky promos trying to get me to read Franz Kafka, Douglas Barthelme or Anais Nin didn't get me read a FUCKIN PAGE OF ANYTHIN

man jer bear was only 53 when he left us? dude looked about 105

Kelly Osbourne slouched in the audience of a VMAs in full clown makeup will probably be the defining image of the 00s

Man, Madonna performed "Hollywood" on MTV with Britney AND Christina AND Missy AND kissed Britney AND kissed Christina AND the photo was everywhere; but the song couldn't even chart on the Billboard Top 100, LMFAO

why did they dub this real world episode with a fake, non-copyright version of "Personal Jesus"? Did they snatch this footage from syndication or something. Vh1 has the fucking rights to play Depeche Mode all day long, this is an abortion

OK, I'm straight googling these four fashionably loud "win a modeling contract" girls and seeing how their modeling career is 12 years later

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:17 AM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark

and???

i came up with jack squat u_u

Lord Jesus, You know how long I served You faithfully; how I taught Your catechism to the young and faithfully attended Mass for years. Please give me Photoshop powers immediately so I can make this .jpg I have in mind entitled "The Passion of the Whiney," ty lol bye.

is it me with a hot laptop on my tummy, laying on my back, watching debbie gibson on club mtv, air conditioner drying out my mouth but too lazy to get up and get water, because

the movement toward this jpg is pulsing through the air like common discursive strategies

I can't front I am like actually for-real pissed that there's no vh1 in this hotel.

debbie gibson just introduced a cure song on club mtv, this channel was fucking awesome

i'm watching my DVR'd version. I think the Vh1 thing is over

I still have 8 hours left if you wanna come over

man, why did Daria feel so alienated? like half her classroom is pierced alternatypes. Live in some real suburbs, buddy.

was there ever a time when jimmy fallon was funny

there was a brief moment

some ppl wait a lifetime 4 a moment like this

http://i.imgur.com/OEwRG.png

XD

why did they dub this real world episode with a fake, non-copyright version of "Personal Jesus"? Did they snatch this footage from syndication or something. Vh1 has the fucking rights to play Depeche Mode all day long, this is an abortion

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:57 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Apparently it got really expensive for them to do that or something. I'd be interested to learn more. Apparently one of the main things holding up the DVD release of The State were the songs. When it finally came out, all the scenes that had pop songs backing them were now saddled with generic equivalents. Like the one where Ben Garant runs around town pantsless while trying to meet ladies to the tune of the Breeders' Cannonball, arguably the most famous use of that song.

Yeah, I get that for DVDs, but like can't viacom play these songs forever on the channel?

That whole thing is kinda weird. I have no idea why it should be so difficult to license a song for TV use. I'm not sure who is losing money here.

There was a show called "Trigger Happy TV" that did it, replacing an entire soundtrack with soundalikes, they did a really good job too. I remember searching fruitlessly for hours for their version of "If You Could Read My Mind"

Ok, so I just looked at the Amazon reviews for the Real World DVD releases and there are complaints about the music being changed there as well. So I'm thinking that MTV either

a. didn't have rights to use those songs as background music in perpetuity in the first place
b. at some point absolved itself of those rights (for example, they declined to renew on some contract or something)
c. they still have the rights to use those songs in broadcast, but whoever was compiling the content this weekend just grabbed a Real World DVD because it was easier than finding the original footage.

My money is on c.

If you put out a CD/DVD etc with a song (where song equals "the original sound recording") on it, you have to pay mechanical royalties to the owners of that recording. If you print up a whole lot of the CD/DVD/etc you're releasing, that can get into some money; a mechanical royalty is a per-pressed-copy fee. For broadcast you usually pay a one-time synch, but any money collected on rebroadcast is via ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and doesn't cost the licensee anything. If you have somebody else record the song, you still have to work out payment with the authors of the song, but not necessarily with the owners of the recording (often the label), who tend to drive hard bargains/walk away from the table if they don't get an offer they like.

So there's a sort of c (1) option to kkvgz's possibilities: that, when interested parties couldn't work out an agreement, The Real World resynched their master tapes. This frankly seems probable to me; do that, then master DVDs from the copies we'll be airing with the re-synched music & fuck those assholes who didn't wanna play ball, easier than keeping two sets of masters in the warehouse = how I imagine television ppl's perspective

(Finally, agreements to synch music to a broadcast show can involve clauses like "the terms of this contract must be renewed after seven years; if terms are not renewed, licensee relinquishes" etc, and given the state of the record business and how labels and bands change staff/go under/switch managers/etc, it is probably a huge headache trying to hunt down the necessary signatures to renew the license. idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

Well, I don't know about Whiney's "Personal Jesus" stand-in, but on the State DVDs, the replacement songs were not re-recorded versions, but entirely new, generic songs that were just similar in tone and feel.

But thank you for the music industry insights. It's really cool to learn about that kind of nuts-and-bolts stuff.

sure thing! I should probably add a "this is how I understand it anyway I could be wrong about some of this because it's stuff you figure out/research yourself as you go, not stuff ppl sit you down and explain to you"

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

When it was released on BlueRay, they had to replace it with a generic bossanova.

Oh man, Steven Tyler is destroying all of my images of the rock and roll industry. I thought all this stuff was taught to up-and-coming rockstars by Yo La Tengo and David Cross.

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

well that's the thing about mechanicals! they're gonna sell a lot of the Armageddon soundtrack; they want five 'smith tracks including "Sweet Emotion," a proven seller? kick ass, people, let's fuckin EAT: you're printing up a million copies because it's 1998 and we're all gonna be rich and successful forever, this business is bulletproof, the compulsory mechanical rate's 7.10 cents or 1.35 cents/min, that's 7.10 x 1,000,000 x5 (or maybe four, I forget if mechanicals are different for cover versions), you do that math, it means I Am Steven Tyler And I Get Money. didn't even have to get out of bed for that one iirc. waiter! my oysters!

idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:09 AM (24 minutes ago)

re-recordings are for-hire deals so there's no need to negotiate, the standard compulsory license for covers takes care of the original rights owners

They used to do that on sitcoms in the 80s a lot.

What was the show with the twins? I remember they had a fake Bryan Adams "Run to You" playing and the girls were all "I love this song!"

There had to have been a point to that.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite, so cuet

forget about the song "little suzy's on the up" <3

they were really pushing stereo as a big new innovation

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

Apparently jumpsuits were very popular in 1981.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite

man, strongo was right, they really can get away with a lot these days!

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

I thought the same thing!!!

also a noticably wasted ronnie wood mugging behind david lee roth's acceptance speech for jump was funny.

there was a performance clip of styx doing "rockin' the paradise" that was literally the dorkiest thing i'd ever seen, man i can't believe that band was popular with kids

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

As a kid, we went to the condo of one of my mom's friends. It was the first time my step-dad had seen MTV and he was just aghast that people paid for cable and still had to watch commercials.

dude was waaaay ahead of the curve when it came to entitled people and their staggering incredulity about paying money for content

should have saved that zing for when it followed

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

― Trip Maker, Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:35 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

trip maker - yeah! robin lane and the chartbusters, that was great, never heard of that band ever

http://www.mtv.com/videos/robin-lane-the-chartbusters/98184/when-things-go-wrong.jhtml

I think I still have a VHS copy of the MTV Awards with the MJ kiss somewhere. That was also the one where Sandra Bullock was presenting with someone (I want to say Adam Sandler) and she misread the cue on the teleprompter and asked Adam what it was like to kiss Keanu Reeves. He handlded it pretty well and riffed about how safe he felt in Keanu's arms.

Something about this moment seemed staged to me... In a good way.

probably in that it was completely scripted

i just said that

No repeats of the Jenny McCarthy Show though.

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

sorta like how now is pretty much still the 00's

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

Wasn't really the standard VH1 was using in showing some of those old clips.

They played "Get Next To Jenny" from Spring Break :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysyZF-DZFY&list=UUFRDjnACLA5vWxxLCC7elVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

but MTV plays music videos
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/AMTV.png

http://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/life-as-art

Michael Jordan tried to make Kennedy's virginity the stakes in a dice game, apparently:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-mj-dice-kennedy-virginitiy-20130702,0,6933007.story

filet

https://archive.org/details/mtv-80s-vhs-full-recording-collection/

ahhh just came here to post that - so good

i was reading a piece on "the marshall mathers LP" when the author mentioned this program. i don't think i've thought about it once in 20 years. it was like being teleported back to being 9 years old and watching cable in my friend's basement. sort of nauseating tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7AEb5agrc

When that would come on (after Beavis & Butt-head or Daria), I couldn’t change the channel fast enough.

(I was 19, not 9, but same diff)

otm

Oh god, so that led me down the rabbit hole of discovering The Wondergirls, a "supergroup" that was assembled for the Celebrity Deathmatch soundtrack (which I also had no idea existed).

Get a load of this lineup!

Ken Andrews (Failure) – guitar, synth
Ian Astbury (The Cult) – vocals, guitar, harmonica, percussion
Doug Ardito (Puddle of Mudd) – keyboards
Jay Gordon (Orgy) – vocals, synth
Martyn LeNoble (Porno for Pyros) – bass guitar
Shannon Leto (30 Seconds to Mars) – drums
Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) – vocals
Ryan Shuck (Orgy) – guitar
Troy Van Leeuwen (A Perfect Circle/QOTSA) – guitar
Scott Weiland (STP) – vocals, keyboards
Ashley Hamilton (actor, known for Beethoven's 2nd) - vocals
Chris Lloyd (???) - guitar

MTV is going to hell for this pic.twitter.com/m4CWniQiIT

— N. (@nahalidabarbie) February 5, 2021