I just read about this. Apparently some kind of streaming iTunes looking service with rights to all the majors cleared. Could be interesting? If nothing else just to see it fail miserably...
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 08:39 (sixteen years ago) link
trying this now. blatant rip of itunes design-wise but looks better in many ways. all i really want to do with it is listen to whole albums easily and it seems to let you do that very well (i haven't heard the ads yet tho).
― Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 12:24 (sixteen years ago) link
20 second xbox ad came in after 5 songs. not bad really.
― Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 12:45 (sixteen years ago) link
needs last.fm support asap
― Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link
the ads don't bother me that much either, haven't noticed if 5 songs is always the limit? in any case it's 5 songs of any length, and you can listen to "In C" for example straight through which is cool.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I love it!
I think there is progress towards spotify scrobbling happening here:
http://www.last.fm/group/Scrobble+for+Spotify
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
carsmile sent this link: http://code.google.com/p/scrobblify/
scrobbles perfectly
― Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
for Windows maybe!
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah this looks terrific, I like how easy it makes it to dip into artists with huge discographies.
Although I haven't actually listened yet, just been browsing so far.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
i am so in love with this thing <3
― king lame (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
some artist tag crapness tho
― Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link
the radio is fun for discovering things totally insane and cheesy
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh wow the quality is actually pretty good.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link
The radio thing is indeed cool. I'm trying to get it to find me some techno from the 50s.
the quality is good, the range not so much, but this could well prove useful.
― country matters, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Presumably the range will increase as they agree deals with more record companies? It seems fine for major label stuff and a quick search for eg Kompakt pulls up a lot.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
does it pass the melt banana test?
― koogs, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
the range seems identical to what's on 7digital (and therefore itunes i think). eg they have trina's first and third albums but inexplicably not her second or fourth. i dunno how much use i'll have for spotify but kudos for how well it works, the quality of the tracks etc - the tags need ironing out but i'm sure they'll do this in time.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
actually it'll be most useful for stuff like the goldfrapp album this year - i didn't really expect to love it but i wanted to hear it, so obv i wouldn't buy it but couldn't be arsed blagging it. that's a ton of consumer laziness in there.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
oh god i should've said i was american! fuck. could've got access to all the hip-hop and r&b which never makes it over to this godforsaken, miserable island.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Do they have a license for the US now? I don't think they did a couple of weeks ago...
Four MB albums, Deano: Teeny Shiny, Bambi's Dilemma, Charlie and Scratch or Stitch.
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
does not work in australia yet
― Suggesteban Buttez (jabba hands), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Just searched for The Recession and that shows up in its entirety, and it hasn't been released here at all right?
It's really good for the one-album playback when you've no idea if you'll like it or not and can't be arsed downloading.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:04 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i'm basically going through albums i've been wondering about checking out but didn't have the hd space for.
― king lame (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
no the recession was released here, but the label didn't bother telling the pr - she only realised when she looked on amazon and found it had been there for a fortnight
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link
"80s funk house disco" radio suggests Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers!
― ailsa, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
> Four MB albums, Deano
thanks. we don't have any, amazon.co.uk mp3 store has scratch n stitch and a couple of tracks from compilations, emusic had a lot... all these people seem to be getting their info from the same places though, they all make the same mistakes (search for broadcast on amazon - details are about duophonic / warp broadcast but the listed albums aren't)
― koogs, Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link
One detail I like: when it gets to the end of what I've queued up, it just continues with the current album without me needing to ask it to. (I suppose I can see how someone might not like this, though.)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Finally got round to sorting scrobbling for this (there's a windows messenger box ticked by default in the last.fm client that somehow stops Scrobblify from working). So far I'm really liking Spotify - handy for hearng stuff you randomly think on that you haven't got in your library or for legal trying before you buy. The adverts don't annoy me in the slightest.
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
fails Boredoms test :(
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
anyone got a spotfiy INVITE?
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link
If not, try the "oooh ask me please!" option on the website ("Get started" -> email in "Not invited?" field). Took about five days for me, was surprised to get it at all actually.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
jordan, webmail me an email address to send an invite to.
― slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link
didn't get asked for an invite here, just got straight in
― stet, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
This is amazing! You type in what you want to listen to, and then you are listening to it. all this needs is to work on an iphone, and then i'll buy an iphone, and then i will have achieved bliss.
― Slumpman, Sunday, 7 December 2008 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Mine appears to have made it through an album without giving me any adverts. Maybe they've bumped me up to a pro account without realising it.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 14 December 2008 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
you can now scrobble to last.fm from within spotify (it's in 'preferences')
― braveclub, Sunday, 21 December 2008 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
That's handy, saves me running that scrobblify thing at the same time.
Spotify lists 'The Prodigy' as 'Prodigy' and makes last.fm think this guy sings Smack My Bitch Up and Out of Spacehttp://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/17704623.jpg
― dj onimotian (onimo), Sunday, 21 December 2008 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
can someone please send me an invite?
thanks!!
― kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Er....
https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Think there's still a waiting list though.
<3 this service btw.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Got in straight away with the link I posted.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Aha they've obviously opened it up!
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Downside is loads more ads (I've heard two during the same album), but you can hear them coming after a while and tune out. Still great.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.
Please!
― kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
If i hear gareth jones from cardiff reciting pi again i'll scream
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
(advert)
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
And I'm not buying that White Lies record either.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
At least it doesn't scrobble the adverts
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
jonathan from spotify sounds remarkably like Michael Vaughan
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
wtf 2 adverts in a row (the 2nd was for that White Lies album)
See what I mean about them? The Killers meet Editors big wowz!
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
can i get a spotify invite
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.Please!― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmarkcan i get a spotify invite― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
Have any of you actually tried the link posted? Quite a few of my friends in the UK have used the link and joined today. Maybe it doesn't work in other countries...
\o.0/
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm in the US and that link asks for one of two things:
1)an invite code
or
2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"
I wonder what their excuse is. Don't they want more people to hear their stupid ads?
― I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
is it UK only?
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
mr bimble check your email
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link
It's odd and a fucking pain how Spotify often doesn't specify that tracks are remixes in any way.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm in the US and unless something changed in the last few days, we can't use spotify and all the workarounds have been blocked
― miss precious perfect (musically), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I selected this a couple of weeks ago, and got an invite from them within the same day. May not be the case now, of course.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 23 January 2009 06:25 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/ gets you straight in without an invite.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I went in on that link above, no trouble at all. I'm in the UK tho - maybe there's a problem with the US, I dunno.
It's awesome, btw. Nearest thing to the "universal jukebox" I've seen for a long time.
― NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I think it's staggering. At least 95% of my track/artist searches to date have returned results. And I like the concept of shared playlists.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify Premium is available in Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Spain and the UK. The Free version is only available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.
It amuses me to see the adverts briefly appear in last.fm (and permanently in your Spotify history).
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:09 (fifteen years ago) link
This is impressive. There's a lot more weird, small stuff on than I thought there would be, thopugh also mystifying gaps too.
Someone should set up a shared ILX playlist for Jan (then we can move to Feb etc to stop it getting unwieldy). I'll do it tonight if no-one else does.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Excellent idea. I was thinking of doing one for the Pazz & Jop Top 50 singles, and maybe the Rocktimists poll tracks as well. But it'll have to wait until tonight.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Gaps spotted so far: no King Crimson, very little UK Funky, no Aeroplane mix of Grace Jones "Williams Blood" (although their mix of Friendly Fires "Paris" is on there). Remixes are generally well represented, though.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Remixes are generally well represented, though.
But not always listed as remixes, I've found. And they don't scrobble as remixes (sorry, I'll take that to the last.fm thread)
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I also like the non-bloatiness: the software was running at around 14,000k on my home PC last night - so I could close iTunes for once, and benefit from the faster performance.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I hope this thing a) goes global so the US can use it b) they make a mobile/iphone app c) ushers in a new era of music use.
I confidently predict big 4 will put a stop to it.
― NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:51 (fifteen years ago) link
All the majors have signed up in europe, though. I suppose it's whether the US ones are far-sighted enough.
It's also notable that most of the big digital music holdout bands aren't represented- no Beatles, Metallica, AC/DC.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Every Stones album is there though, yay!
Another thing I've noticed is that the service avoids any queueing problems, as you occasionally get on, say, last.fm.
― Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Last.fm is screwed unless they can come up with something as wide ranging as this.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
The DJ Khaled selection is spotty and Denim aren't on there either.
I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on. If you pick someone like The Sweet it takes about 5 mins to scroll through them all.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
How on earth are they going to make any money out of this model? I can only imagine that once they've got a critical mass of people using it, they're going to radically increase the amount of advertising.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link
That and premium subs I guess.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
At the moment, the advertising is pretty unobtrusive so I can't see why anyone would want to be a paying subscriber. Which is why I'm guessing they'll up the advertising once they get enough people hooked.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Indeed, at the moment the advertising is infrequent enough not to annoy but I'm sur it'll increase in frequency. Service is good but not quite thorough enough, some bizarre gaps in artist's discographies e.g most of Sparks 70's output and their most recent work but little from the 80s/90s. Once they can plug those gaps, get on board the digital refuseniks and most importantly provide a mobile service then £10 a month would be very tempting.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Getting enough people hooked should mean they don't have to up the advertising - advertisers will simply pay more for a bigger audience.
Maybe if they get enough people hooked they'll be able to offer ad-free for £4.99 instead of £9.99.
I wonder how much artists are paid through this. We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.
I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on
So true - the other night I found myself marvelling at how many "a tribute to" albums Sigue Sigue Sputnik have appeared on (from memory: NiN, Soft Cell, Smashing Pumpkins, Madonna, KMFDM, Prince...) - who keeps asking them?
― onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link
We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.
Or those bands could just set up a computer with their songs on repeat!
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder how much artists are paid through this
Maybe, John D could answer. Hopefully I made him a few cents when I listened to 'Palmcorder Yajna' earlier this week.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Well last.fm's royalty rate is $0.0005 per play, and presumably something similar in Europe too.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
So a million plays required for a measly $500? I don't think mobilising the ILM masses will be enough to get J0hn D that rockstar mansion.
― onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't think that the artist would get much from each play but $0.0005 is shockingly low.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
My guess is that record company gets half a cent and the artist get 10%.
― NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a collaborative ILX playlist. just click on the link to get it going. I've called it ILX Feb 09 coz January is nearly over. Have at it.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's the Pazz & Jop Top 100 singles list. Only 10 tracks are missing.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
both those links give me "playlist not found" ;_;
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Me too any chance of a re-up?
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I've just re-checked, and both links are valid; indeed, I picked up Patrick's ILX playlist earlier today and added to it, and someone else has added to it since.
You have already got Spotify installed, yes?
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
no King Crimson
Eh? The first album I listened to on it was In The Court of the Crimson King!
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post yeah all that's fine, it says "playlist not found" when the link prompts the software. Ah well.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeh, I tried the Pazz and Job playlist just there and got "Playlist not found", too. (And, er, yes: I think most of us posting on the Spotify thread about how we use Spotify etc have got Spotify installed ;)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Er, Jop. Obviously.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost Just re-checked, and there's still no King Crimson. The nearest you get is "The Court of the Crimson King" by 21st Century Schizoid Band.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Whit? Hang on ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Try this in the Spotify search window?
spotify:user:miketd:playlist:2zYHbXxldh3YIti4SM3doz
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
And also this:
spotify:user:raw_patrick:playlist:5QqAXZcbQtPFL0w1ShUiem
xpost
... fuck me, yes. It's all gone. But there is still a ghost page for them -- put in King Crimson and you'll see their name comes up in the little cluster of artists at the top left. Click and you get a pic and a biog but absolutely no tracks.
That's a fucker, because there was a tonne of their stuff up the other week. I thought I'd seen some other stuff disappear, too -- can't remember what, but I just put it down to not having paid attention. But no, some bands are obviously being taken down. Wow.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah bollox, that wasn't the P&J playlist - try this one instead:
spotify:user:miketd:playlist:2tpQvA2ojTVgOLr6fozpFh
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Hang on: Mike, are you a subscriber?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
... 'cos I can't get any of these shared playlists going. It's either a subscriber thing or a Mac thing, I reckon ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
can you (mike or grimly) see http://open.spotify.com/user/ledge/playlist/1KqRMynsECGZ0Q4JTJ0sHJ
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes: I can, Ledge. You Mac or PC?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
pc.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, I can see that one, Ledge.I'm not a subscriber - I'm on the free version.And I'm PC.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmmm!
OK. Who can see this?
http://open.spotify.com/user/weesimon/playlist/78t1yokW5g0OI3yOaG9S0z
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Works on my PC too.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
can't see yours, grimly.
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― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Can someone try mine again now? I've just thought of something ...
xpost ... ah! Got it. Two seconds, Ledge ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Right. Ledge: can you try again now?
Grimly, I get "playlist not found" on yours. Weird.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Try again now, Mike ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
nope. i mean, nope still can't see it
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
what did you try?
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, OK. That's fucking weird, and puts paid to my incredibly simplistic theory, which was: it works when the sharer has Spotify running, and not when they don't.
Hmm.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Still get "playlist not found".
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I've just changed the Pazz & Jop list to "collaborative". Does that make a difference?
http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/2tpQvA2ojTVgOLr6fozpFh
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify removing good stuff? Oh well fuck spotify then.
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Nope: I get "playlist not found" for that link too, Mike.
Curiouser and curiouser: having deleted my own shared playlist, if I click the link, it recreates the fucking thing! This is absolutely fucked-up.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
nope. i thought about that but i managed to get the freakytrigger/popular 1950s playlist which ain't collaborative. xxp.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
OK. Another one. Can someone try this?
http://open.spotify.com/user/weesimon/playlist/7cz83ptHcO9jbQ9XSwoH1L
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, it IS beta. Can everybody get the FT playlist?
http://open.spotify.com/user/freakytrigger/playlist/2u5G9BcsC34s65XnksFnea
Grimly: nope, not found.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
ditto.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Can everybody get the FT playlist?
Nope. Hmmm! I wonder how this actually works (or, er, doesn't) at the Spotify end?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Ledge: I just tried yours again, which worked before, and it now says "not found". Have you deleted it, or is this further evidence for the fact it's all a bit buggered?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
A friend in Amsterdam picked this one up fine yesterday:
http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/2zYHbXxldh3YIti4SM3doz
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
my test one is still there. there are a couple of questions about this on the support forums, unanswered; if we 'vote' for the questions they might get some attention.
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/playlist_not_found_when_loading_someone_elses_playlist?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=widget_spotify
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/why_dont_friends_playlist_links_work?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=widget_spotify
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
no joy with amsterdam one. it's fucked, is my diagnosis.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeh, that's barking: the only one I've ever got working was your test one, Ledge, but now that doesn't work either.
Had a further Google and there seems to be a lot of this about. There's also an entire site devoted to Spotify lists (go on, have a guess at the URL), none of which I can get to work. Aye, I'll have a look at the support forums.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Right. I've done my bit to raise awareness of this terrible scourge. I'm off to do something more useful instead :)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
suckify
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
ok waiting three hours and/or restarting got me the playlists.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link
hurrah!
― the worst poster on ilx fwiw (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I have been able to get all of the linked playlists
on free spotify, on a mac
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Me too.
― Stevie T, Sunday, 25 January 2009 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I can get them all to work too.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 25 January 2009 02:37 (fifteen years ago) link
yes me too but ima homegrown so that s probably it
and ive listened to tons of king crimson on spotify?
― sonderangerbot, Sunday, 25 January 2009 02:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I can open the playlists ok in IE7 but when I try to open them in Firefox I get 'Invalid option:spotify:user:.....', any ideas, google isn't my friend when it comes to this.
― Billy Dods, Sunday, 25 January 2009 12:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I find the most reliable method is to copy the links and paste them in the spotify search box and hit return.
― onimo, Sunday, 25 January 2009 12:41 (fifteen years ago) link
― Keep The Dogs Away (Ioannis), Sunday, 25 January 2009 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Are you UK? If so go here, no invite needed:
http://www.spotify.com/en/get-started
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
nope. Greece.
― Keep The Dogs Away (Ioannis), Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.spotify.com/invitation/cJFKjAsTazyHdXWG
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
curses! spotify free is not available in your country. oh well. thanks anyway, guys.
― Keep The Dogs Away (Ioannis), Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
spotify videogames playlist
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
awesome
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
no saria's song, no credibility
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
20 (of the 25) country #1's of 2008
― Joris Stereo, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Loving the ILX collaborative playlist...http://troubled-diva.com/spotify-ilx-playlist.gif
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link
This works perfectly for me now. Wonderful! Am too busy weeping (once again) at the eternal fucking shitness of Microsoft Excel to explore it much further, mind. Hurrah, though.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I added that ghost cauldron track : D
who put up the letta mbulu? was really feeling that earlier
― cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Letta Mbulu was one of mine.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link
this is starting to piss me off too. on the pazz & jop playlist above for instance the gaslight anthem track is an acoustic version and pink's so what is some hi-nrg dance remix. don't think the compiler intended it that way. i keep coming across stuff in live versions (biz markie's just a friend) or sixties tracks that sound that they were rerecorded by one or more of their original members somewhere in the eighties (the bobby fuller four's i fought the law).
― Joris Stereo, Sunday, 25 January 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
How can you add to it?
― the worst poster on ilx fwiw (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
omfg
― talk me down off the (ledge), Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I've corrected the Pink. There's no other version of the Gaslight Anthem track, though...
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 25 January 2009 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
This is amazing. AMAZING. Although I will now only be buying records that aren't on it, so business-model-wise maybe not the best idea.
I can see the playlists - how would one add to one if one wanted too?
― Jamie T Smith, Monday, 26 January 2009 12:36 (fifteen years ago) link
If it's a collaborative playlist (like the ILX one above) just drag and drop the track onto it.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Monday, 26 January 2009 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link
loving this. wishing it included videos and more better data tho.
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link
would be cool if you could see who added what to playlists too, and maybe a SUGGEST BAN system...
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Top of my wishlist: a recommendation engine; social networking features.
I quite like being able to add stuff anonymously to the ILX playlist. It removes the pressure to impress.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 26 January 2009 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Two adverts in one album so far, and both for something called the Energy Saving Trust, so can't complain, really. I like that there is a little graphic showing you how much of the ad is left, so you could mute the ads quite easily.
― Jamie T Smith, Monday, 26 January 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Some sort of friends list where you can access all their playlists (or ones they choose to share) seems like a no-brainer for them to add. And that's just for starters.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Monday, 26 January 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
If, like me, you tend to hop around tracks before they've finished you never hear an advert.
Love the Sir John Betjeman track someone added. Didn't even realise he recorded an album, will check out the rest later.
― Billy Dods, Monday, 26 January 2009 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Looks like King Crimson were removed on request: http://www.dgmlive.com/forum.htm?entry=13308
Same goes for KC on YouTube: http://www.dgmlive.com/forum.htm
― mike t-diva, Monday, 26 January 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I suspect that Spotify didn't just randomly upload KC material without permission. I would guess they asked Universal or Warner's or whowever can we upload your companies back catalogue and they said sure, then individual artists got wind of it and complained.
― Billy Dods, Monday, 26 January 2009 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Luddites.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Monday, 26 January 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I quite like the fact that there aren't social networking features, but I'm sure they'll appear soon.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Monday, 26 January 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I wish I knew how vinyl only straight-up unauthorised re-edit stuff like this ended up on there.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
There's some info here: http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/where_is_the_catalogue_on_spotify_really_sourced_from
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link
The-Dream is listed as D:Ream *roll eyes*
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Things can only get better.
― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, def needs better data, an equalizer and a suggest ban system
― cozwn, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link
suggest ban any song you hear and dislike
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
def. finding this is perfect music you want to listen to but don't want to clutter up a harddrive w/. whole bob dylan back catalogue, all the wu-tang my ears can eat? yes pls
― cozwn, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
i like this.however, on villalobos : fizheuer zieheuer (part 2), there is vinyl noise.i've never heard the cd version so could it be that the original has crackles etc ?
― mark e, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
See link posted above - some of this stuff is being sourced from vinyl rips.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i saw that after i posted, sorry mike.tis a great application though. i really hope this is legit, makes people money, and doesn't get shut down.the catalogue is bursting with stuff i enjoy.
― mark e, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
The Pitchfork 500: #1 - 1977-1979.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Weekly updated UK Top 40 and US R&B/Rap 40 playlists here.
― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
And to possibly save Mike some work, here's someone else's playlist for the whole Pitchfork 500
― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
am I missing something here?
catalouge seems very bitty to me so far or maybe it's just what I'm searching for...
Is this the kind of thing where I'm better searching for other peoples playlists? or it's meant to be like last.fm with full tracks?
― fandango, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link
hmm, it's probably because I used a UK invite isn't it? No Kompakt, no Melt-Banana.. not much of anything so far to be honest so not really much use
― fandango, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
(anyone got a US invite? :( )
― fandango, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:37 (fifteen years ago) link
oh wait shi-
I searched for kompakt the other day and it returned loads of results... today I get 2?!
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link
five hits for superpitcher now, when there were tons (30?) the other day
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
All the Gescom's disappeared.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link
And all the Autechre! ffs.
― talk me down off the (ledge), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link
But the one I put on a playlist still plays...
Thomas Brinkmann is gone, too.
― no-nonsense, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link
oh well
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:45 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah the development here isn't very promising.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Fucking hell, you're not wrong. This is moving in completely the wrong direction.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I suspect they're probably taking down loads of stuff, possibly because the original sources were private collections and now they're having to clean up their act and get proper permissions. A year ago, when the site was a tiny Sweden-only start-up, they even had Beatles stuff on there.
However, it's inconsistent. I noticed yesterday that if you follow the "Home" link and view the "most popular" lists, Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" (both the track and the album) were displayed in red, meaning "no longer available" - and if you clicked the link, a message came up saying "not available in the UK". However, you could still search for "coldplay viva la vida" and play the results just fine. (Can't check this out now, as the s/w isn't installed on this machine.)
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, d'you suppose that they've negotiated reprint rights with AMG for the biog blurbs?
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:53 (fifteen years ago) link
On the evidence so far, I very much doubt it.
Still, this answers the question lots of people have been asking me when I've been bunging them invites: "How does the business/rights model work?" Answer: badly.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link
my gut instinct is that they've taken them off the search, as a preliminary measure, before taking the tracks out of the database entirely
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Judging by the recent developments I imagine open source, P2P alternative in 5…4…3…2…
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Availability certainly varies by country; my friend in Amsterdam found that about 50% of my "best of 2008" playlist was unavailable in the NL.
Perhaps they've signed agreements with the majors, but haven't sorted things out with a lot of the independents?
NB - some of the Spotify service already relies on P2P protocols, and I recall reading that one of the lead developers was previously working on Torrent services.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/why_do_songs_disapear
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
No Kompakt
kompakt total 6 is still there. you just can't find it with their search engine...
― Joris Stereo, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link
lol Metallica fans
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
That response is from three months ago. I assume the songs disappearing this week are for different reasons.
― onimo, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Eh? No, I assume it's all part of the process of them updating their catalogue with "more" music and "adding" songs. Now, to me it looks suspiciously like that should be "less" and "removing", but hey! I'm not a thrusting young web 2.2b chancer, so what the fuck do I know?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link
The Smiths have vanished... ah, I knew it was all too good to be true!
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link
muxtape mk. viii
― mark e, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Muxtape is relaunching as some kinda minimal MySpace.
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, and Spotify is relaunching as some kinda minimal Spotify.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/01/28/some-important-changes-to-the-spotify-music-catalogue/
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I retract my AMAZING, although it's still pretty good.
It also can't play albums as a continuous mix, which is terrible. I suppose it took itunes till version 7 or something to do that, but my CD player from 1991 has no trouble.
Aghrr Lady Gaga advert! Bring back the Energy Savings Trust.
― Jamie T Smith, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Energy Savings Trust ad, featuring the dulcet tones of Hugh Dennis.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
the whole villalobos archive has now gone :(was my easiest/best/quickest/cheapest way to catch up on the mans history.oh well, i'm going to listen to sinatra at the sands instead.
― mark e, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
This is pretty cool - runs perfectly in Wine on Linux!
― all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
RIP
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link
One page article on Spotify ion the NME today.
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
in
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify has managed to go downhill in the space of a week.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
What's with all the cupcake icons on that (mostly) Metallica thread?
― Glow In The Dark (Bimble), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Real shame about the paring down of the catalogue.
Here's a source of more playlists, if you're hungry:
http://www.spotyshare.com/
― Alba, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
In hindsight it would have been better to remove this in October when we launched publicly
Er, yes.
, we realize this now and apologize to you for not doing it sooner
<Non-committal, graceless noise>
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
There's actually adverts for Spotify on Spotify now!
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
energy saving trust issued a takedown notice
― cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought it was posh, blonde fop Julian Rhind-Tutt doing the voiceover. Ironic, bearing in mind how badly he did on 'It's Not Easy Being Green'.
― Billy Dods, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:28 (fifteen years ago) link
The Guardian Tech article about Spotify today unluckily uses King Crimson tracks as a demonstration of what's on it.
― Architect of the Geocities (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 29 January 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
TS: "unluckily" vs "a bit stupidly"
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 29 January 2009 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
"we understand you are an American, and we can't service you"
first thing I see when I go to the website.
good luck spotify
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 29 January 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.geocities.com/magickal_dreamz/CryingEagle.jpg
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 29 January 2009 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link
It's good they're so understanding.
― onimo, Thursday, 29 January 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
is this open to uk folks without an invite still?
― Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Friday, 30 January 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
nope. invite needed. or payment.
― mark e, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link
― Alba, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
(worked last time I looked)
― Alba, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
ooooh.i just got an invite and thought that was the only way in.excellent news, and apologies for the mistake.
― mark e, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Heh, that's the FOURTH time that link has been posted on this thread!
― mike t-diva, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link
"Skipping 136 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all."
so much gold hidden within i guess
― mark e, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Things looking up, 10,000 new albums added today according to the blog. Qucik scan through the list, good lot of stuff from ACT, ECM, Touch and Mego. New albums from M Ward, Little Joy, Anthony & the Johnsons and just for Lex, Animal Collective. My pick though is Human League's 'Golden Hour of the Future'
― Shallow Gravy (Billy Dods), Monday, 2 February 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Doubt Beat
http://open.spotify.com/user/smarmy/playlist/33bRsp1Qk7kVL6Umf3vj82
This was a muxtape I was going to do just before it went down. There are a few things I couldn't find on Spotify, but I got most of it. All early 80s UK stuff.
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link
That looks awesome, Jamie. Out of interest: which version of Temptation is that? Alternate 12" ... yew wot?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link
(I guess that might become clearer when I listen to it, but still.)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I hadn't heard it before either. I think it was on http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-1981-1982/release/61596, which I've been trying to track down a copy of for ages.
But now we have it in all its glory!
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Although that whole EP is on the bonus disc of the CD reissue of Movement, apparently.
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Hang on, I've just skipped through it now. Umm: isn't it just the original 12"? (Which, yes, is the one on what I'd call Factus 8, ie the thing you linked to above.)
I think the problem with Temptation is everyone thinks the re-recorded 1987/Substance version is the original, which it just ain't. That's yet another of my problems with those remasters/collector's versions: they're pathetically short on descriptive detail. Which, when you're dealing with anally retentive Factory fucks like myself, is a bad thing.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the problem with Temptation is everyone thinks the re-recorded 1987/Substance version is the original, which it just ain't.
(I was one of those ignorant people till a couple of years ago.)
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I did a snow-themed playlist: http://tinyurl.com/spotifysnow
(Fully road-tested, hand-sequenced and quality-controlled. I didn't JUST type "snow" into the search box, honest...)
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm going to spend the next two hours listening to all the New Order bonus discs on Spotify.
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I was one of those ignorant people till a couple of years ago
Oh, man, I was confused to fuck about that back in the day. I got Substance for Christmas when I was 13 (1988, I guess) and I think it was buying the 7" at a record fair a couple of years later that a) made me think fuck, WHAT? This is a totally different song! and b) turned me into a not-very-good Factory completist.
I probably have more versions of Temptation, scattered across vinyl/CD/compilations/bootlegs/etc than any other song, which is why I was -- for a glorious second -- incredibly excited by the notion of an as-yet-unheard one!
Listening to your mix now. It's superb. Thanks for sharing.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:59 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost again
That looks great, too, Mike. Should we start a separate thread for sharing and talking about playlists?
― Jamie T Smith, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
that woud be a great idea. and keep this one for bashing and other updates
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link
please guys, send me an invite!
thanks.
― kaiser, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Fifth time this link has been posted ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link
(I can't see why you'd need an invitation code when everyone else using that link is getting in fine!)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Any luck, then?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I have an invite if you have no luck with that link, kaiser
― MARK HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET ABOUT BRAVE FENCER MUSASHI? (cozwn), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
What's the deal then - is everything on Spotify clean-versions?I'm trying to listen to Juvenile and probably only 1/10 of the words are getting through
― all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, yeh: it's run by a fundamentalist Christian sect who don't believe in swearing, premarital relations or cheese. Sorry, thought everyone knew that.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
fuck that noise!
― (a mess0 (Ioannis), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Now playing: Straight Outta Communion
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Has anyone else found the wrong songs playing yet? I've had one or two, the most recent being Alien Sex Fiend turning out to be the Missionhttp://open.spotify.com/track/1XflNRUaUHrfYDkwMG0tIT
This album goes screwy about halfway through meaning you have to click on track 8 to hear track 7, track 9 to hear track 8, etc. and all your last.fm scrobbling is fucked up.
I can't find a feedback mechanism to correct tags.
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Monday, 9 February 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
This album, even
http://open.spotify.com/album/0LjK4Y0vtEUOKnbIzQlmi7
I wanted to listen to Wire's 154 the other day (yes despite having it on cd) but it only came up as the 3cd set, and then it would only play the songs in order - even clicking play on the first track on 154 would play Practice makes perfect, but the tags were showing correctly. Weird.
of course instead of getting the cd out I listened to something else altogether.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Monday, 9 February 2009 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/reporting_bad_meta_data
For now, the best way to get metadata changes into Spotify is to look up the album on Musicbrainz and fix the problem or add the album if it doesn't already exist. Eventually, the fixes will end up in Spotify.
Musicbrainz has that album with 15 tracks while Spotify lists 13 with tracks 7 and 15 missing.
I can't see any way to "fix" this as the Musicbrainz listing is correct - meaning the only way to get Spotify to play the correct tracks is to delete track 7 from Musicbrainz or wait until Spotify add the missing tracks.
― super shareaholic firefox add (onimo), Monday, 9 February 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Surprisingly I am on this now, and it is playing GO SAILOR indiepop with good sound quality, and I think it might even be scrobbling to lastfm. ... yes it is !!
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link
idjut boys most recent 'death before distemper' mix is up there as a 67min long (advert free so far) track, impressive
― vain_bowers, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
on a bright morning it's playing DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 08:52 (fifteen years ago) link
aargh fuck the energy saving trust, makes me want to put my heating on at full blast with all my windows open!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 10:53 (fifteen years ago) link
1) Energy Saving Trust2) Spotify3) Arlington Road
Any others?
― NotEnough, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link
directgov.org possibly the least annoying.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link
DEC gaza appeal
― cat anatomy expert (ledge), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link
- which confused me 'cause DEC sounds a bit like BBC.
White Lies had an advert when their rec was new.
― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:05 (fifteen years ago) link
And Lady Gaga too for a second.
― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:06 (fifteen years ago) link
U2 have a banner ad up just now, slightly ominously.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link
There was a while near the beginning where the only advert they were running was for Madagascar. 'I Like To Move It Move It', though great, is particularly obtrusive popping up two thirds of the way through a Sibelius symphony.
― Maximo Park Ji-Sung (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 11:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Arlington Road
Revolutionary Road?
If so: nope, I've heard nothing else. This business model worries me enormously.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
There was that tax returns advert, but that's over now. They could start warning people about next year's maybe.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i hate the advert with the whistling guy so much
― Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
the only way they could do worse is if they got tiny from tile it all to do one(Grimly and Onimo might understand that one)
― Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
^ Think that's before my time north of the Border?
But FUCK YES, I hate whistling Direct Gov guy. He's just been on, actually. And I winced.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
grimly its been around for 10 years at least but still on. I guess you dont have parents who listen to clyde 2 and you will avoid clyde1 on a saturday as you hate football.
― Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Got it in one. Er, two :)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont mind whistling, its just that whistling with the teeth thing of that advert i hate. ugh. still not getting a tenner a month tho from me. i'll just not use it if it continues haha
― Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
This site seems useful.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
For now, the co-founders are putting their own money into the company.
Can't accuse The Grauniad of being first with news here, but that's an interesting little line.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
The guys behind it still seem to be basing the business model on the pay-for side of things, when it seems to me the free thing is what makes it.
― stet, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
link doesnt work
― Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
http://musicindustryblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/spotify-why-it’s-been-so-successful-and-what-it-needs-to-do-next/
― stet, Thursday, 12 February 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
1. Key point not made clear by that article: Spotify allows me to listen to full-length albums with one click. Last.fm doesn't have anything remotely like as many full-length albums; also (and this might be a browser thing, but hey) it often gets pissy when a track finishes and require me to pop back to the requisite window before it starts playing the next one. Also: browser-based anything can suck dick for a whole heap of reasons.
2. Key point totally misunderstood by that article: mobile Spotify would rule so fucking hard that I'd shell out a goodly whack of cash for it.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 11:05 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, if it's not a killer app already, mobile functionality would definitively make it so.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link
"Make it so!"
http://rodtsentrum.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/jean-luc-picard.gif
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I have to say, despite my moans and gripes above, it really has been a revelation, both for old music and new. I sincerely, sincerely hope it doesn't fuck up :)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Me too. Almost seems to good to be true TBH, despite some reservations.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link
If I could get some of my shared playlists on the move I'd shell out too, aye. Though I'd need a 3g phone too, I guess.
― stet, Thursday, 12 February 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh dear. Thought I'd have a listen to the last Spiritualized album -- which I never got round to at the time -- while I toiled over some books this evening. But Spotify ain't playing ball: it's stuttering and stopping as if ... well, as if it had just been hit up by thousands and thousands of new users and couldn't cope.
So I'm, er, using Last.fm to listen to it instead. This seems to mean pressing "play" again after every track, which sucks (perhaps I should try it in Firefox! Hmm) but at least it actually plays the songs.
I've seen this once before with Spotify ... think it was at the weekend. Again: if they're going to throw it wide open, they need the fucking bandwidth. Or do premium-account holders get streaming priority?
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I bet they do. One song int the Hole "pretty on the inside "album and whistling fucker advert is on. Adverts every 4 songs now approx. bloody annoying.
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
it isnt worth £10 a month tho. £2 a month maybe.
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
xx-post That happened to me the other day, but assumed it was a problem at my end as my computer's pretty flaky at times.
(Although at other times I'll get time-outs off some website and think 'huh is my internet broken? has my router died' and spend ages desperately hoping nothing's actually broken and all the time I'll have Spotify running perfectly, signifying there is clearly nothing wrong with 'my internet' as such.)
I've not had that many adverts recently.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Thought I'd have a listen to the last Spiritualized album
This might have been a mistake, too.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Its a good album
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm unconvinced so far.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
It needs a month to sink in I found.
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Hang on, why the FUCK is it not scrobbling properly? I'm listening to it FROM THE FUCKING LAST.FM PLAYER!
It's obviously one of those nights.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 February 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I had loads of Spotify time-outs last week, particularly around 6pm to 7pm. Late evenings were always OK. This week has been pretty much back to normal, though.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link
About the removal of tracks mentioned in the Grauniad article linked above: it should be unbelievable that the dinosaurs are still acting like dinosaurs, but it's sadly predictable. Even with meteorites hurtling towards them they will not change their ways.
The majors should have learned from Napster a decade ago and everything that's happened to them since and adapt to the new world. Instead they try to un-invent the wheel in a pitiful, Canute-like attempt to cling to their rusting old world.
The 1950s retail approach is dead and buried.
They all deserve to go bust.
― Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 13 February 2009 09:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Indeed. They're intent on protecting something that's past protection.
They don't seem to get that the Spotify guy (gonna take you high!) is OTM when he says their competition isn't the retailers but the pirates.
I still think the Spotify model is flawed as there isn't enough incentive to subscribe beyond avoiding the annoying whistling advert - but if it was portable I could see it being a huge success.
― ducking kiosk monkey (onimo), Friday, 13 February 2009 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Marcello, the majors are all fully on board with Spotify. Interestingly, it's the artists themselves who have requested specific exclusion (the usual handful of suspects, basically), which suggests a more complex balance of power than I would have imagined. The rest of the deletions concern independent label releases where permissions hadn't been verified in the first place - the Spotify people were quite trigger-happy with their uploads when the service was still in private beta, and they see the situation as of their own making, and have apologised for it.
In the Guardian piece - or rather the headlines that accompany it -undue stress has been placed on the removals. Finger in the air estimate: the service has gone from 90% to 80% track availability at most, although this depends on how mainstream one's tastes are - last time I checked, all but two or three of the current UK Top 40 singles were available, for instance.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 13 February 2009 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link
They're adding quite a bit of stuff at the moment too, just after the cull the track count was just over 2 million and a quick look shows they've added another 40,000 or so this week alone.
I'm on the free plan at the moment but I'd be tempted to subscribe just to make sure it doesn't go belly up. Tenner a month doesn't seem much really for unlimited music, cost of a cd I'd listen to a handful of times then stick on a shelf and forget.
I wonder if last.fm will respond in some way soon. It's got a much higher profile than Spotify but other than scrobbling, which I guess Spotify will implement sometime, there's little reason for using it now.
― Shallow Gravy (Billy Dods), Friday, 13 February 2009 10:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify already scrobbles to last.fm - you can switch it on in the settings. It works perfectly - you even get a little Spotify logo on your last.fm profile page to tell you where the music's coming from.
last.fm is still your best place for recommendations and unexpected surprises - whereas Spotify has replaced most of my iTunes listening (and it's much less bloaty, of course).
― mike t-diva, Friday, 13 February 2009 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Now all we need is someone to crack it and remove the thing that triggers the ads in the free version...
(shame)
― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 13 February 2009 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I knew that Spotify scrobbles to last.fm, my point was that now I'm only using last.fm to check my listening stats (sad bastard that I am). The social networking aspects of last.fm haven't really mattered to me (antisocial bastard that I am), so I don't spend much time on there now. I'm happy to find stuff via playlists and random searches, I enjoyed a lot of your best of 2008 for example and can now find stuff in a much easier way than before, the Paarvoharju album for example.
― Shallow Gravy (Billy Dods), Friday, 13 February 2009 10:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Not sure if this has already been mentioned -
http://www.gustavsoderstrom.com/?p=45
^ former Yahoo Director of Business Development now heading up Spotify Mobile.
― ducking kiosk monkey (onimo), Friday, 13 February 2009 11:12 (fifteen years ago) link
fucks sake an advert every 3 songs now
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 14 February 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
argh whistling bastard advert
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 14 February 2009 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
going to get board of spotify quickly unless they get some less mainstream label stuff up. its good for mainstream music but if they need obscurer stuff.
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 14 February 2009 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
-if
still atm I'm listening to CCR albums and all is well.
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 14 February 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
findanyfilm.comadvert fuck off every 3songs
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 14 February 2009 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
And now 2 ads in succession. Anyone else getting this or is it just an anomaly?
In better news, some Spotify sites:http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/02/19/spotified-cd-collection-and-some-other-community-sites/
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:17 (fifteen years ago) link
From the spotify updates alert thing. I thought my playing artists I already own cds by was pointless enough, but no:
This morning a user posted his Spotified CD Collection on the blog which I thought was amazing and really creative. What he’s done is he’s taken a digital picture of his CD shelf and then linked each jewel case to that artists in Spotify. So now he can sit and look at his CD collection online and decide what to listed to but instead of sticking the actual CD into a player you launched the album on Spotify, so cool.
Also:
Some other fun sites that have appeared recently include: Spotinews, which highlights new additions to our catalogue, Spotify Search which is an addon for Firefox to lets you find music from any web page in Spotify and a web page that finds new albums recently added to Spotify that match the top 50 artists from your Last.fm profile.
We love stuff like this so if you’ve done something creative with Spotify please let us know, we’d like to see it and share it with everyone.
The last.fm thing seems to work quite well. It's told me that a load of old Animal Collective and Disco Inferno are up.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, what Neil said.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Ooh DI Go Pop is on there, I've been wanting to hear that for ages!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link
It's great! I've been wanting to hear it without fetching the cd for ages too, so everyone's happy.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/TheWordMagazine/status/1230055579
There is fun to be had here.
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link
"Morning, Spotifiers. In what we believe is a first in rock and roll media, we're handing over the virtual decks on the WORD office to you, the reader. All day today (Friday 20th Feb) we're going to play the music you choose.
There's a collaborative Spotify playlist linked below, which you can add to and help build up. We'll play it all day and listen to whatever you select (and we'll choose our favourites for another, Best Of You Are The DJ list). And we'll be playing it on shuffle, so no need to worry if you get started late. Your track has just as much chance of being played as an early addition.
The Spotify list is here – click and it'll launch (as long as you've got Spotify). If you need to download Spotify, it's available here.
And of course, you can play the list via your own computer and assess the musical taste of the WORD Hive Mind yourself.
THE RULES1] Post one track at a time. No complete albums or huge runs of a single artist – we'll delete them.2] There are no other rules.
We'll be tweeting our reactions here so you can see what we think of the tracks as they play. And you can monitor exactly what we're playing right now via the miracle of our Last.fm page, which will be scrobbling the tracks live.
Comments welcomed below, of course, or sign up to Twitter and stick your oar in live and direct. The Spotify list is live NOW so let the uploading of Blackout Crew and New Riders of the Purple Sage rareities commence!"
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Just added "Come With Me" by Special D.
― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Hope they have Metal Machine Music!
― Leon Brambles (G00blar), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Sadly the full 60 minute version of Dopesmoker by Sleep is unavailable.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I think when Word Magazine's Spotify playlist be all up in your face you gotta be like YAHHH TRICK YAHHH
― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Word's last.fm profile: possibly the indie-schmindiest of all time: http://www.last.fm/user/TheWordMagazine
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
They're about to get injected with a poison...
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link
TheWordMagazine
Recently Listened Tracks
Listening now using SpotifyPraga Khan – Injected With a Poison full track
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 20 February 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Your musical compatibility with TheWordMagazine is Very High
Music you have in common includes New Order, The Shortwave Set, The Orb, John Martyn and Vangelis.
;_;
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 20 February 2009 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link
They appear to have stopped Twittering.
― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
http://lutt.se/lastfm+spotify+new/lastfm.php?user=trailofgybe
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
http://lutt.se/lastfm+spotify+new/rec.php?user=trailofgybe
― The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 February 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Your musical compatibility with TheWordMagazine is VERY HIGHMusic you have in common includes The Fall, New Order, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, Magazine and Kraftwerk
It's hardly a schmindie profile: just a very predictable one. You'd have to be a bit of an iconoclast to go "lol Bowie and Kraftwerk", no?
Anyway. Hamburger Lady by Throbbing Gristle is on Spotify, and thus should be an essential feature of any collaborative playlist.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 21 February 2009 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah fair enough, predictable rather than lol indie I guess.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
This is fun, but Spotify can't cope with mixes very well.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Have just noticed that when I mute ads, they pause--this wasn't always like that, right?
― f f murray abraham (G00blar), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
1. Spotify iPhone application in action. Allegedly:
2. Anyone else finding Spotify won't scrobble to Last.fm today? It just tells me "can't connect to Last.fm server". Other Last.fm-related shit working absolutely fine.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 26 February 2009 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link
That's cool. I might even go buy an iPhone for this.
(actually, I won't but it is cool.)
― NotEnough, Thursday, 26 February 2009 12:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Reasons it might not be cool:
1. Apple won't allow the app in its store.2. They will allow it but it will be a bit rubbish because it will drain the battery really fast3. It won't drain the battery too fast but it will be annoying because it won't let you listen to music while doing other things on your iPhone because background processes aren't allowed.
― Alba, Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeh, assuming the thing ever sees the light of day on non-jailbroken devices, #3 there is the real clincher :(
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Battery's going to be bad, aye, though mine is already shot to ribbons by Google Sync. Background processes are a-coming, it seems, so that's alright.
― stet, Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Except then your battery life will get worse again, and it will all start crashing more.
I don't know why I am being so negative today.
― Alba, Thursday, 26 February 2009 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
the last FM app works plenty lovely, and can't see apple objecting to spotify app if last FM is ok
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
They have all the Helmet stuff inc the born annoying single. And I listened to Quicksand albums yesterday. Was pleased to find this stuff. Next I'm gonna search for Unsane, Butthole Surfers, GVSB and Prong. (even though I have all these on my ipod I do like the idea of these guys getting paid.
How much do you think a fair price to pay for a subscription is? £10 a month is too much for me. If it was £3 id definitely pay. How about £15 for 6 months access? £15 every 6 months is more than they would be getting now from most people.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 27 February 2009 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
£15 for 4 months even would be ok. £45 a year compared to zero as well.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 27 February 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I really do rather like this app... they've got everything right - the ads are infrequent enough to let you enjoy a few albums without interruption, but annoying enough to have you momentarily reach for your wallet. A great selection of stuff too and brilliant for satisfying idle curiosity.
However, looking at the page for interested artists and labels it's quite obvious that by using Spotify you are providing lots of valuable marketing information to the labels involved and indicates the future directions that the service will take: "Your own artist area allows you to build a direct relationship with fans, old and new, across the world. Develop revenue streams through the sale of downloads, merchandising, concert tickets and more, as well as earning a share of the revenues we create through our advertising and premium businesses. Powerful, granular, in-depth reporting is available to participating labels and artists."
I guess most people have implicitly accepted that signing up for Spotify means their listening habits will be open to the scrutiny of major labels. However, this might not actually be a bad thing... if your tasts are as varied as most here then hopefully they'll just throw their hands up at the notion of targetted marketing and the like and just concentrate on putting out QUALITY music that consumers might actually want. Alternatively they'll manufacture some kind of crazy Kraftwerk-meets-Porter Waggoner-and-Sugar Hill Gang combo.
p.s. everyone in the UK should listen to the Leon Rosselson and Roy Bailey album on there. In the absence of anything by Crass it's a good alternative... I think this recession business is 80s nostalgia gone too far.
― Rombald, Friday, 27 February 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7913959.stm
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 28 February 2009 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link
OMG, it's Roberta-from-Spotify!
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 28 February 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Ooh, she's lovely. I always thought that was an actress reading the lines.
― Creedence Clearwater Couto (Billy Dods), Saturday, 28 February 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm. This thing is becoming a bugger for not connecting to Last.fm (although I'm sure that's Last.fm fault rather than Spotify's). At the moment it's got tracks queued, apparently. Be interesting to see if/when/how it connects ...
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 28 February 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link
The anti-music industry opinions expressed in this thread are... disheartening. Three years ago it might've been fun to laugh at Metallica and fuck the man. But instead we've got distros closing, indie labels cutting back their release schedule.
Anyway, I'm curious as to how Spotify is gonna pay the artists who's music they're exploiting for their own advert sales and subscriptions. (Not implying they don't, but there's nothing written online about it).
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Saturday, 28 February 2009 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm with you, worried about the overfishing of the entire industry just because their product is now so easily copied and distributed. (is odd here in the uk because we all grew up with listenable radio stations and are used to tuning in and hearing good stuff. is easy to forget it's paid for by tv license.)
but spotify do seem to have major label support and i doubt they'd have that if the labels weren't being paid.
― koogs, Saturday, 28 February 2009 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Don't you think the recession might have something to do with labels cutting back? afaik it's never been conclusively shown that pirating has significantly harmed the industry.
― ledge, Saturday, 28 February 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link
but shops were closing well before last year.
― koogs, Saturday, 28 February 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
When I've chatted with managers and artists and labels about album sales, the numbers in 2009 are far less than they were for similar releases five years ago, including digital sales. (On the bright side: t-shirt sales are way up.)
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Saturday, 28 February 2009 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe people are more interested in watching dvds than listening to music nowadays? In my experience with people in general that is the case. Diehard music fans are a minority.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 28 February 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
And yes, Spotify does make payments to labels and artists. What the scale is, I don't know. If Youtube is any indication, it means that Cake guy from the Portal game will (rightly?) make more dough from Spotify than any bands making albums-as-statements.
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Saturday, 28 February 2009 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Someone speculated earlier it would be the same as last.fm pays: $0.0005 per play - meaning a million plays are required to get the artist $500.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Sunday, 1 March 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link
@ Tourtiere (Owen Pallett) - I personally don't see many anti-music industry opinions here, and hope you didn't mean my post which was a little tongue in cheek.
It's pretty much taken as read by all consumers that (SLSK users & blog cruisers excepted) you don't get something for nothing. For majors to offer their catalogues in this way there has to be some idea that it makes financial sense. In context of a global financial crisis in which "£50 man" might the same way as Zavvi et al, so Spotify brings us the first step toward the rebranding of music not as an art, but as a utility like gas or electricity.
As an artist one can't help feel a more than little affronted by the notion that notion of music as an 'art' will finally disappear from the mainstream. Not that this is actually anything new. Obviously music has always been "product" to many labels, and indeed even up to the 19th century and its "heroic" composers much music served a utilitarian role (soundtrack to a coronation, mass, birthday celebration of a prince etc.). IMO the idea of music as an unquestionable high art is a 19th century pretension that probably deserves to die no matter how much my conditioned personality rails against this "debasement" of the art; it after all only in the late medieval times that composers even began to put attributions on their work, and they still kick the arse of most modern stuff!
The wheel is once again coming full circle.
― Rombald, Sunday, 1 March 2009 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link
online listening is killing piracy
― tuomasters at work (blueski), Sunday, 1 March 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
gunships are killing pirates
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 March 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
@ Rombald. No, no, it's not an affront... I'm 100% "for" music as a utility.
The issue is strictly economical. Recording, mastering, rehearsing... all these things cost money. I mean, I love MPC-based records, Garageband-based records, Panasonic RX-FT500 records, records entirely made in-the-box for next-to-nothing.
But these new economic models will eventually render recording-with-a-budget impossible. You can tell me that "a budget don't make a good record" and I'd agree. But the bestest records of the last few months (Portishead, Animal Collective, Lindstrom, those Aeroplane remixes y'all love) all took gear and compressors and microphones and mixing consoles and nice mastering jobs. Erykah Badu, dude. That record was expensive.
One of the reasons why I think Bradford Cox is gonna be around far longer than any of us other bozos is that he's developed a method of record-making that is time-efficient and cost-efficient. Atlas Sound is the gorgeous sound of a record that cost nothing to make.
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Monday, 2 March 2009 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
(I'm still waiting to hear about Spotify's business model.)
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Monday, 2 March 2009 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Entirety of Domino catalogue added today!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Monday, 2 March 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
@ Owen:Completely agree - it's just my own and others gut reactions to "utilification" are gonna die hard! ;o) I'd already resolved myself to and the idea that working from home studios is indeed going to be the future for most musicians whether they like it or not. I certainly do, and have recorded with a setup that cost no more than, oohh, £400 for the last 10 years (- that includes all instruments too!).
Shame that more conventional lavish recording sessions with orchestras/session pros/cocaine might be doomed under the new financial model, but on the plus side I think Spotify could well save the "album experience", which is definitely a great thing!
― Rombald, Monday, 2 March 2009 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Please stop using the "@" symbol to show you're addressing someone, thanks.
― Captain Save-Ahlo (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Monday, 2 March 2009 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes. I'm looking forward to trawling Spotify for Julian's Treatment or whatever.
― Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Monday, 2 March 2009 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
@ Captain:
@.
Check out all the jazz on spotify. Plenty of Blue Note RVG editions
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Did anyone else get the "oops someone stole all our password hashes" email?
I can't get into the Spotify website to change my password - there's probably a rush on.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes got it too.
― Snowballing, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
no
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Dear Spotify user,Last week we were alerted to a group that managed to compromiseour protocols. After investigating we concluded that this grouphad gained access to information that could allow testing of avery large number of passwords, possibly finding the right one.The information was exposed due to a bug that we discovered andfixed on December 19th, 2008. Until last week we were unawarethat anyone had had access to our protocols to exploit it.Along with passwords, registration information such as your emailaddress,birth date, gender, postal code and billing receiptdetails were potentially exposed. Credit card numbers are notstored by us and were not at risk. All payment data is handledby a secure 3rd party provider.If you have an account that was created on or before December 19th 2008,we strongly suggest that you change your password and stronglyencourage you to change your passwords for any other serviceswhere you use the same password.When choosing your password we provide you with an indicator ofthe password strength to help you choose a good one. To changeyour password please visit your profile page on our website.https://www.spotify.com/en/account/profile/For the technically minded amongst you, the information that mayhave been exposed when our protocols were compromised is thepassword hashes. As stated, we never store passwords, and theyhave never been sent over the Internet unencrypted, but thecombination of the bug and the group's reverse-engineering ofour encrypted streaming protocol may have given outsiders accessto individual hashes.The hashes are salted, making attacks using rainbow tables unfeasible.Short or otherwise bad passwords could still be vulnerable tooffline targeted brute-force or dictionary attacks on individualusers, but you could not run attacks in parallel. Also, therehas been no known breach of our internal systems. A complete userdatabase has not been leaked, but until December 19th, 2008 it waspossible to access the password hashes of individual users hadyou reverse-engineered the Spotify protocol and knew theusername.We are really sorry about this and hope you accept our apologies.We're doubling our efforts to keep the systems secure in orderto prevent anything like this from happening again.Regards,The Spotify Team
Last week we were alerted to a group that managed to compromiseour protocols. After investigating we concluded that this grouphad gained access to information that could allow testing of avery large number of passwords, possibly finding the right one.The information was exposed due to a bug that we discovered andfixed on December 19th, 2008. Until last week we were unawarethat anyone had had access to our protocols to exploit it.
Along with passwords, registration information such as your emailaddress,birth date, gender, postal code and billing receiptdetails were potentially exposed. Credit card numbers are notstored by us and were not at risk. All payment data is handledby a secure 3rd party provider.
If you have an account that was created on or before December 19th 2008,we strongly suggest that you change your password and stronglyencourage you to change your passwords for any other serviceswhere you use the same password.
When choosing your password we provide you with an indicator ofthe password strength to help you choose a good one. To changeyour password please visit your profile page on our website.
https://www.spotify.com/en/account/profile/
For the technically minded amongst you, the information that mayhave been exposed when our protocols were compromised is thepassword hashes. As stated, we never store passwords, and theyhave never been sent over the Internet unencrypted, but thecombination of the bug and the group's reverse-engineering ofour encrypted streaming protocol may have given outsiders accessto individual hashes.
The hashes are salted, making attacks using rainbow tables unfeasible.Short or otherwise bad passwords could still be vulnerable tooffline targeted brute-force or dictionary attacks on individualusers, but you could not run attacks in parallel. Also, therehas been no known breach of our internal systems. A complete userdatabase has not been leaked, but until December 19th, 2008 it waspossible to access the password hashes of individual users hadyou reverse-engineered the Spotify protocol and knew theusername.
We are really sorry about this and hope you accept our apologies.We're doubling our efforts to keep the systems secure in orderto prevent anything like this from happening again.
Regards,The Spotify Team
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I went in and changed my password anyway
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Sometimes there are benefits to being a slightly late adopter, I guess.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I would hereby like to register a hearty "fuck you" to The Script, and their corporate shill Jo Wiley.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Until they fix the Mac-client-not-scrobbling bug -- which has been discussed at length on the Get Satisfaction forums; apparently it'll be sorted in the next upgrade, whenever that'll be -- I'm not using Spotify. Missing out on the adverts cheers me slightly, at least.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link
oh are there no ads on the mac version? I haven't encountered any yet although I keep thinking after every song I listen to that I'm going to be hit with an ad for the new Kings of Leon album or something totally unrelated to whatever I'm listening to.
― salsa shark, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Grimly means he's not using it as a result of scrobbling probs, so he's not subjected to the ads.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago) link
^ Er, yes, exactly.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm refusing to listen to music played in shops or on builder's radios until they sort out the scrobbling problems.
― Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link
A principled stand.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry, yeah, I just got my first ever ad (kings of leon as predicted), but it took about 20 songs for it to happen.
― salsa shark, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
xxpost
Well, in fairness: "Oh, yeh, this is fixed now ... er, sorry, we can't be arsed rolling the thing out yet, though" (which is effectively what they're saying) is a bit of a cunty attitude -- especially from a company who force updates on their users whether they want them or not.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Aye they should say "Oh, yeh, this is fixed now ... er, sorry, we can't be arsed rolling the thing out yet, though, to be fair, free fucking music all day every day grimly wtf do you want for nothing eh eh?"
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Pretty good bargaining tho: Give us some money or we'll keep hitting you with Script, Glasvegas and KoL adverts.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link
"Oh, yeh, this is fixed now ... er, sorry, we can't be arsed rolling the thing out yet, though, to be fair, free fucking music all day every day grimly wtf do you want for nothing eh eh?"
Umm. Sorry, but "it's free" != "excuse for shit customer service". Many, many services work on a similar "free" model these days (which probably won't last); when you've got 100-odd people saying, politely: "This isn't working properly, can you fix it?" and you're basically told: "Aye, it's fixed, but fuck off, you're not important enough for us to bother rolling it out" ... well, you might think that's reasonable, but I'm not so sure.
Also: if I was paying for it, I'd be in the same boat. <- Shittest argument ever, but hey :)
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:04 (fifteen years ago) link
boycott spotify!
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you not use it then?
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i do but im getting bored of it. It's fine for well known music on major labels but if they dont expand to get more obscure stuff im gonna end up never using it.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I can see that. At the moment there's more than enough major label stuff to keep me happy though!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link
The huge selection of Blue Note Jazz is what's keeping me on it. Hopefully they will license stuff from some of the independent labels i like (southern lord,hydrahead etc)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Recommend some of said jazz. As you say, the dearth of alternative labels is bad, although recent additions of Domino and Warp are a step in the right direction.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
wel the usual suspects of miles davis, john coltrane, sun ra, charles mingus are all up there along with Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Pharaoh Sanders,sonny rollins, alice coltrane, lonnie liston smith etc
plus pretty much all the Blue Note roster. Grant green, lee morgan, lou donaldson,wayne shorter , donald byrd, joe henderson, hank mobley, babyface willete to name a few.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify really needs a browse by genre and artists by alphabetical order list
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link
also browse by labels
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Nice one, thanks Herman, will start digging!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
i expect you to keep us up-to-date with your jazz listening on the last fm thread!
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Get on Spotify and play thishttp://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e349/e349382wo3n.jpghttp://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jxfoxqygldde
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Now!
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 March 2009 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link
;)
hehe neil jumps to it
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 March 2009 10:14 (fifteen years ago) link
"Root Down and Get It" is great, and familiar from the Beastie Boys track of the similar name.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 12 March 2009 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i knew someone would say that
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 12 March 2009 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link
So predictable!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 12 March 2009 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
can i ask somebody to mailme an invite? ta.
― Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Monday, 16 March 2009 13:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Do they not play adverts during the weekend then? I played three full albums and some assorted tracks on Spotify this w/end and never once had an ad inturrupting.
― DavidM, Monday, 16 March 2009 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost. I didn't think you needed an invite anymore. If you need one, I'll mail one to you.
― Dave Gahan, lead singer of Depeche Mode (Billy Dods), Monday, 16 March 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
tried quickly to get on last night, seemed to need one. appreciate it.
― Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Monday, 16 March 2009 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Mail me your address and I'll get it sorted then.
― Dave Gahan, lead singer of Depeche Mode (Billy Dods), Monday, 16 March 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Done!
― Dave Gahan, lead singer of Depeche Mode (Billy Dods), Monday, 16 March 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link
cheers.
― Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Monday, 16 March 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost - Yes, VERY few ads over the weekend. 'Twas bliss.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
New ILM Spring collabo playlist.
― Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
wtf is this zarif pish?
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I saw Zarif supporting Chris Brown in January. Perhaps the least effective arena support I've ever seen. Cheered to the rafters when she announced "And this is my last number"...
Good to see the 2020 label on Spotify, especially the superb Greg Wilson label comp from last year - highly recommended:
http://open.spotify.com/album/70IMqk0XAaeYWnyHcrhB63
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
26 Klaus Schulze and 16 Popol Vuh albums added today, any recommendations on which ones to try first?
― Dave Gahan, lead singer of Depeche Mode (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
i've been waiting for Popol Vuh. great news!
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
lol i just d/l some schulze tonight, wish you had told me an hour ago
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
serive is currently down ;_;
― ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
oh well it was early albums i got and theyre not there
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Moondawn id say to start with that for Klaus Schulze
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Popul Vuh > In Den Garten Pharaos, Hosianna Mantra,Aguirre, Affenstunde.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Is it broken for everyone else?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, it's working again!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
great, looking forward to all that Krautrock. The Fever Ray record which is getting some discussion elsewhere is also on there.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
y'all, please keep the playlists coming, i love the ILX feb collab one especially, a bunch of great tunes on there.
― neustile, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
top 5 most wanted features:
1. TAGS (so as to find similar material more easily)2. more meta data displayed and searchable esp. original year of release, label, nation, genres3. thumbs up/down tracks (maybe only interesting for low-audience playlists), or maybe 1-10 rating system4. better home page - itunes-style portal (inc. more 'new this month' type listings), customisable5. videos (ok maybe next year)
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
oh and playlists to be searchable (if public) too definitely
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
M.I.A. seems to be getting paid (if anyone is) for MIA.'s music.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 19 March 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Still no Melt-Banana or Boredoms :(
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 19 March 2009 01:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Hopefully they will license stuff from some of the independent labels i like (southern lord,hydrahead etc)
There's a list of the labels they have deals with here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=psnjFY3R2itudXATC9GQVUg
http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/02/27/spotify-missing-your-favorite-artists-you-can-help/
have a look at the labels we have signed, if the artist is covered by one of the deals then it’s likely they’ll get added to our catalogue in the near future. We’re currently adding about 10,000 tracks a day from our current deals.If they’re not a part of one of our current deals then the way you can help us is to contact the label or artists and let them know you want to hear their music on Spotify. We’re ready and willing to sign any label and they can contact our content team by emailing cont✧✧✧@spot✧✧✧.c✧✧.
If they’re not a part of one of our current deals then the way you can help us is to contact the label or artists and let them know you want to hear their music on Spotify. We’re ready and willing to sign any label and they can contact our content team by emailing cont✧✧✧@spot✧✧✧.c✧✧.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 19 March 2009 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link
well i posted on the comments thread a list of labels i'd like added. So maybe if some people second it and ask for other stuff you like they might take notice.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 19 March 2009 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link
can't access this service from ireland? can that be right?
― Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 March 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link
At last, Velvet Underground Loaded fully loaded edition is on spotify. I have the banana box set but i cant be arsed ripping it.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 19 March 2009 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link
rofl Sweet Jane is unavailable "the artist/label has chosen to make this track unavailable"
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 19 March 2009 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Couple of weeks ago I brought my laptop with me when I was going to the Netherlands and even though in the Netherlands only the paid-for version is available I could play my in England installed (free) version of Spotify without any problem and, that's the best bit, without any ads either.
― Joris Stereo, Thursday, 19 March 2009 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link
They let you use it for two weeks when travelling. After that, you have to register in whatever country you're in.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 19 March 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
rofl Sweet Jane is unavailable"the artist/label has chosen to make this track unavailable"
And yet they let you listen to the long version on the same album!
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 19 March 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"Sei Still, wisse ich bin"; "Bruders des Schattens"; "Herz aus Glas"; "Letzte Tage"
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Still no Melt-Banana or Boredoms :(― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 19 March 2009
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 19 March 2009
Just added!
Melt-Banana
"Mxbx 1998 - 13,000 Miles At Light Velocity" (album)http://open.spotify.com/album/1xTRltVBoDXKYj1WBUYD4S
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 20 March 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I could live with the BBC Gaza appeal and Robertafromspotify... but everytime I hear that Zarif ad I momentarily reach for my wallet!
Curse you, Spotify! Zarif is the ace up your sleeve!
― Rombald, Friday, 20 March 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
but everytime I hear that Zarif ad I momentarily reach for my wallet revolver!
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Loads of Skinny Puppy added this week, if that floats yer boat.
Is there anywhere that has the full catalogue for viewing? I look at the updates blog and I get artist notifications from http://freshspotify.com/ but I get the feeling there's loads of stuff I'll never see or know about because of the limitations of the search. Say you want to hear some old blues stuff but don't know the exact names of albums. Searching "blues" gets you 1329 albums, of which 12 are listed then it says "and 1317 more.." but the 1317 more bit isn't a link so there's no way to find out what "more" might include.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 20 March 2009 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
they really need a list of their catalogue and also have a browse by genre/labels feature
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
you can get alerts based on your last fm top artists. quite handy http://www.freshspotify.com/alerts/importlastfm
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Type "year:0-2100" in the spotify search bar and it gives you a total of what's available in your area. I have just under a quarter of a million albums available. Better get listening :)
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 20 March 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks for the tip.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
shame it doesnt have a list of them all :(
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link
hahaha you can listen to Krokus albums on it
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
lots of Saxon to make you feel like a teenager again onimo
someone should start a playlist for this thread and just add every album on it ;)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Saxon is a band that has been around forever and has completely passed me by so I don't think they'll bring the teenage nostalgia.
I am currently rediscovering dodgy 80s industrialists The Cassandra Complex.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I'll undiscover them again if this Frankie Teardrop cover is anything to go by. Bloody awful.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 20 March 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Utterly weird set of most popular tracks by year, obtained by searching on year:yyyy
2009: Crack A Bottle - Eminem2008: Human - The Killers2007: Kids - MGMT2006: In The End - Linkin Park2005: Fix You - Coldplay2004: Numb/Encore - Jay-Z/Linkin Park2003: Basket Case - Green Day2002: Clocks - Coldplay2001: Chop Suey! - System Of A Down2000: Yellow - Coldplay1999: Fear of the Dark - Iron Maiden1998: The Kids Aren't Alright - The Offspring1997: Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) - Green Day1996: Fire Water Burn - Bloodhound Gang1995: 1979 - Smashing Pumpkins1994: The Middle - Jimmy Eat World1993: What Is Love - Haddaway1992: Under The Bridge - Red Hot Chili Peppers1991: I Want To Break Free - Queen1990: Cliffs Of Dover - Eric Johnson1989: Like A Prayer - Madonna1988: Mother - Danzig1987: Smooth Criminal - Michael Jackson1986: Raining Blood - Slayer1985: Your Love - The Outfield1984: Dancing In The Dark - Bruce Springsteen1983: Billie Jean - Michael Jackson1982: Run to the Hills - Iron Maiden1981: Don't Stop Me Now - Queen1980: Another One Bites The Dust - Queen1979: My My, Hey Hey (Out of the Blue) - Neil Young1978: Wuthering Heights - Kate Bush1977: The Passenger - Iggy Pop1976: Sir Duke - Stevie Wonder1975: Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe - Barry White1974: Strutter - Kiss1973: I Hope That I Don't Fall In Love With You - Tom Waits1972: Heart of Gold - Neil Young1971: Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Rolling Stones1970: Your Song - Elton John1969: Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones1968: Sympathy for the Devil - Rolling Stones1967: Sunday Morning - Velvet Underground1966: Under My Thumb - Rolling Stones1965: Desolation Row - Bob Dylan1964: The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan1963: Bob Dylan's Dream - Bob Dylan1962: Green Onions - Booker T and the MG's1961: At Last - Etta James1960: C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran1959: Let The Good Times Roll - Ray Charles1958: Splish Splash - Bobby Darin1957: I Got A Woman - Ray Charles1956: Love Me - Elvis Presley1955: Blues for Basie - Oscar Peterson1954: In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning - Frank Sinatra1953: There Will Never Be Another You - Chet Baker1952: Dear Old Stockholm - Miles Davis1951: Ahmad's Blues - Ahmad Jamal1950: Autumn Leaves - Cannonball Adderley
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 21 March 2009 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Search by genre: http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/03/24/spotify-genres-the-full-listing/
Don't forget the quote marks around multi-word genres.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Comment by ilovehada2009-03-25 09:35None of the metal genres work on the searches. Why?Comment by degis2009-03-25 09:37Wow! That was not useful at all! I tried to find some Black Metal and used Death Metal/Black Metal. Got Hammerfall, Soilwork etc. The closest to any Black Metal at all was Dimmu Borgir. Not really what I would call Black Metal…Why not make a real Black Metal genre with real Black Metal?
None of the metal genres work on the searches. Why?Comment by degis2009-03-25 09:37
Wow! That was not useful at all! I tried to find some Black Metal and used Death Metal/Black Metal. Got Hammerfall, Soilwork etc. The closest to any Black Metal at all was Dimmu Borgir. Not really what I would call Black Metal…
Why not make a real Black Metal genre with real Black Metal?
lol
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
The Middle by Jimmy Eat World is NOT from 1994?!
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Genre tags come from AMG. I blame Ned Raggett tbh.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Searching for "grindcore" throws up some pretty interesting results, if by "interesting" one means "wrong".
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
genre:"Happy Hardcore" - 0 artist, 0 songs
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
shame!
genre:"ragga jungle" - 0 as well...
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think I know what spotify playlists are. Where are they on spotify?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link
here's one:http://open.spotify.com/user/stigoftdump/playlist/0FSVLPzC0gMszrS7AtaCwC
Click on the link and the playlist will appear! You can also create your own by dragging and dropping tracks and albums.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Thank you. Can one seek playlists from within Spotify?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
sadly not. really hope they implement such a feature soon.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link
new todayUlver
* Blood Inside (album) * Lyckantropen Themes (album) * Peredition City (album) * Svidd Neger (album) * Teachings In Silence (album)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
which one to start with?
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
well, Louis reckons blood inside is the album of the decade. But its not a black metal album, so it depends what youre looking for.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Well if it's good enough for Louis it's good enough for me too!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Never heard this, giving it a go now.
Mute Records Cabaret Voltaire Live At The YMCA 27.10.79. album spotify:album:27doRJOJqOOqZZjLHzjbxH
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
spotify:album:6U4FYnA6MejEBdrcdg1fOl
New Mono album "Hymn to the Immortal Wind"
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
im still waiting on my mono vinyl arriving. pre-ordered it months ago.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Another vote of "fuck you", this time to the Norah Jones-lite Daily Mail jazz stylings of Melodie Gardot.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 26 March 2009 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link
If you subscribe you get
VIP
With a monthly subscription you get extra Spotify invites to share with family & friends.
No ads
Search
Find and browse by artist, title, album, genre, year.
Radio
Specify your own radio channel based on genre, year and artist.
Share
Create, share and collaborate on play lists and share links to music.
Is it worth paying just to get any of that?
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 28 March 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not convinced, and at the moment I'm not using it enough to get annoyed with the ads.
I have noticed that when a cd has a hidden track at the beginning, Spotify plays it at the beginning of track 1 (eg on SFA's Guerrilla and Out Spaced), which is a bit weird, but probably easier than going through tracks individually and cutting them out and giving them names and worrying where you'd fit it in an album playlist.
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 28 March 2009 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link
invite? im not UK
― moullet, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Sent, don't know if it'll work though. Good luck
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
does it have any good techno? like mixes or comps or anything? that's what I'm missing
― Local Garda, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm listening to a Tiefschwarz mix of acid house right now!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link
What should I look for?
― chord simple (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Gah, I'm supposed to be working! Close Spotify. Close ILX.
Search for "phuture", the only two tracks by them are on that mix.
And here's a link to the entire Rekids catalogue:
http://open.spotify.com/user/smarmy/playlist/1tfLQYNse3QqpjJHegUxZ5
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks jona!
― moullet, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
All those "VIP" features are already available to free users, with the exception of ad-free.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if that means that they won't be (available to free users) for long.
― otm in new york (G00blar), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Search by genre works for free users, as I already posted.
Spotify - anyone heard of it?
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Saturday, 28 March 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
but you only can see a few results
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 28 March 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
― Local Garda, Saturday, 28 March 2009 17:24 (4 hours ago)
Sub Club Anniversary mix is great but mostly old stuff
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Saturday, 28 March 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah old stuff all good. I just want a few house mixes to play when I'm cooking or something. This Tiefschwarz one is great btw.
― Local Garda, Sunday, 29 March 2009 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7971784.stm
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Some posts on a last fm forum about spotify http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/517178/49about half way down then again in the last post on that page.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 March 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
A couple of Agalloch albums are on Spotify now. I recommend them to all!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Enjoying it, Neil?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link
yes it was good!
Some great Spotify news: the entirety of Black Sabbath's back catalogue is now available!!!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link
They're pushing the adverts more now, aren't they? You never used to get two at a time. And fuck off, Wired magazine with your "sorry for interrupting your listening".
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Funnily enough, apart from whistling cunt, i find the adverts for bands/acts FAR more annoying.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link
It was kind of inevitable they'd up the advert frequency. How else can they make money? But it's particularly annoying when you're listening to classical music.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
how much would y'all be willing to pay for (ad-less) this again?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
£5 a month is somehow more easy to swallow than the current £10, for me.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link
No, you whiny-sounding fuck, I have not been to the HMV sale. And no, I can't "get someone to cover" for me because I'm reading for an essay. And, furthermore, if I *was* going, you most certainly couldn't come. Now fuck off.
Still: music from £3? Films from £3? Hmm ...
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link
apart from whistling cunt
Here, I've not heard that git for ages. Have they canned that one? Good.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd pay £5 a month, yeah.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is true (I mean, I find this also). At least the adverts are just adverts, and it's a bit like listening to local radio or something, but listening to music and then hearing completely different music really annoys me. Especially the radio 2 jazz woman.
The Wired adverts are just really annoying, like they've heard the Roberta from Spotify ad and based the whole thing on that. And there's more than one ad, so you can't directly tune out of it.
I don't know if I use it regularly enough to warrant subscribing (although I did just re-subscribe to last.fm without really knowing why I had), but I also think the £1 a day thing is too much. Maybe if I was having a party and playing only Spotify all night then I'd stump up one whole pound. Maybe £5.
It'd be nice if Roberta from Spotify or indeed anyone else from Spotify would read this and think 'well, there's £15 a month we wouldn't have had otherwise' and gave us special rates.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Shame there's not a spotify forum , like they have with last fm, where we could all tell them that.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
You can comment on the blog, and the Spotify guy does actually answer questions there.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
last fm forum is so dense, they're probably better off without one
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
ok i'll post and all of you post after me then?https://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/04/01/today-we-have-a-lot-to-celebrate/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
my post
Comment by pfunkboy2009-04-01 14:52
Congratulations.If you bring the price down to £5 a month I’ll happily subscribe. I’m sure you would get a lot more premium users at that price too. £10 a month is a lot in this climate.Any plans on changing the price?Who else would subscribe if it was £5 a month?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Have done so too. Solidarity, brothers and sisters!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Done.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah! bring down the man by paying a different man some money to stop listening to the whistling man who is still on there, just not as frequent as he used to be.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
damn that whistlin' man
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I just hope more ppl post about halving subscription so that Spotify take notice.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
just realised a massive chunk of the touch catalogue is on there
― straightola, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/what_is_your_source_for_the_music
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
"A Merciful Release" - box set of the three remastered Sisters of Mercy albums now on
http://open.spotify.com/album/1iOqH6ohy8xJLFH9v8SaiB
spotify:album:1iOqH6ohy8xJLFH9v8SaiB
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
pity they only email me when they add an artist from my last.fm top list. and i cant be arsed looking through pages and pages of stuff in alphabetical order in that google document thing.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not that hard to skim the google doc.
They added 140 squillion Grateful Dead albums this week.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I see there's a couple of Saint Vitus albums on there
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Lazycame Finbegin album 12 spotify:album:1RedM5z0zcC8q6gYU2jSON
I think they must have finally captured every album in the world ever if they've managed to get to this crap.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
who?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Lez Zeppelin
spotify:album:6kTKatDLQfs5SGm2ADJ2Qi
All girl Zep tribute act. I'm going to have to hear it.
xpLazycame is William Reid of JAMC fame making an absolute arse of a solo "career".
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
my mum and dad listened to the Faryl album on spotify today. Sadly I think theyre going to buy it so they can play it in the car.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
My turn.
Who?
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Some opera singing kid from a tv program
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, I'll pass thanks :)
Turns out one hit wonder Lisa Loeb has loads of albums. Things you learn from huge google spreadsheets.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
They're still tagging all the MIA. stuff as M.I.A. - and presumably paying the wrong artist (unless the money goes to the record co).
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
some of the tagging is awful so it doesnt bring up the proper album pics on last.fm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Sun Kil Moon:April spotify:album:6qeg3FR18R4rUsQjsHBugtGhosts Of The Great Highway spotify:album:5KUtu3Jyp5SKIEhJb8NzQ0Ghosts Of The Great Highway + Bonus Tracks spotify:album:3gFMYvuhTeUXrVzj4mFX1FTiny Cities spotify:album:5FJntCmaKtDxThWzyRxQ1Z
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm just having a 'ah I don't actually have to get hold of all the stuff I got rid of or taped over when I went 'indie' again' evening, and listening to Dookie and the first RATM album and stuff and loads of it is tagged as -Album Version which is really annoying me. Also none of the decent (or at least, what I want to listen to) Offspring stuff's on there.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Is Kerplunk on there? I'd like to hear that again sometime. Never liked Offspring/nofx etc
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Nup. Dookie actually didn't sound too bad, for 20 minutes or so. Great memories. Uh, I just thought I'd listen to some NOFX and there's only an album I don't recognise, a tribute to NOFX and their contribution to a Misfits tribute, Last Caress, and I've always liked Metallica's version of that, so I played it for the 20 seconds it took them to not 'go ska', and then they went ska and it was horrible.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link
NOFX were truly horrible. And responsible for all those bass players with goatees pulling faces in videos.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
And now I'm listening to the Damned (Offspring covered Smash it up for some reason in 95 or so) and I've just discovered where grimly presumably got his name from. I just assumed it was a state of mind!
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm just glad I never went through with getting dreads. Gawd, I was an awful 15 yr old.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Offspring covered Smash it up for some reason in 95 or so
lol Batman Forever soundtrack.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Grimly took his name from the comic book character that preceded the Damned song (though he spells it the Damned way).
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/grimfien.htm
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought it was because he resembledhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ou-LlEaaDOY/Rmh66IH5jaI/AAAAAAAAAEY/OjDlnnma3OQ/s320/grimly+1.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I see.
What else can I learn tonight!
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
that onimo has a secret liking for all things goth?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Secret? I wear my sad old goth badge with pride!
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 2 April 2009 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, you're all wrong. I got it from The Founding of Evil Hold School by Nikolai Tolstoy (published 1968). Predates the Damned, obviously -- but not the comic strip (1964). So I think Mr Tolstoy must have been, umm, "inspired" by Leo Baxendale :)
Also, yeh, state of mind: that's about right. Usually.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 2 April 2009 07:58 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at onimo on the spotify comments.
Is this -ALBUM VERSION tag thing new, as someone on the blog mentioned it as well. I'd never noticed it 'til last night, but then I hadn't listened to Green Day on it 'til last night.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at onimo on the spotify comments
HAHAHAH. Funny fucker :)
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link
everybody's gotta troll somewhere
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link
is that you lot just noticing?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
So much for solidarity :-(
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
also saw other posts from premium subscribers who dont want the price reduced.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
What a stupid attitude. Who doesn't like saving money?
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 2 April 2009 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link
they presumably having already paid the fee want everyone else to have to pay the same price rather than getting it cheaper than they did.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
^ Exactly.
Fuck 'em, really.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 2 April 2009 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I've been an (ill3gal) downloader since 2000 but the concept of Spotify irks me somewhat, I just don't know why. For a start the PC I play music from that's plugged into my hi-fi isn't attached to the net so I wouldn't really be able to use it anyway, but I think it's something else.
Maybe it's because it seems too good to be true. If this catches on it means that the idea of a music collection will be considered ridiculous in only a few years. Having every song ever available to stream for free sounds great, but will it replace downloading and format sales once they work out a way to make the quality top-notch? If so does that mean the end of the mix-CD, the end of DJing, the end of using recorded music in a creative way? will it all turn into a big messy jelly of sound with no accounting for quality control whatsoever? I can't remember the last time I went to a friends house all excited because I have a new album to show them and in a way I blame downloading. Remember "What's this? I'll buy it on Monday!", I haven't thought about that since 2003. Yeah blah blah move with the times, but once the iPhone Spotify app comes out, that's it - the idea of having a music collection won't exist and it'll be a big hivemind mass of music.
Haven't signed up yet, then again and I haven't read this thread, but how exactly do artists/labels get money for this? Is it all down to pay-per-play? What will happen to artists like the Beatles who, let's face it, never appear on Spotify?
― the next grozart, Thursday, 2 April 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
yes basically spotify means your children will be raped in their beds and there's nothing you can do about it. it means the end of everything you hold dear.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
^^speaker of hard truths
― otm in new york (G00blar), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
so, you've been downloading free music since 2000 but... the idea of free music irks you somewhat?
― rio (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
yes but downloading free music was a hassle, this thing is too easy.
― just sayin, Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Or maybe Spotify will simply mean the end of commodity fetishisation, and all we'll have left are our ears and our judgement?
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
goodbye music collection hello playlist collection
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Goodbye groaning shelves of dead weight; hello gorgeous clear surfaces and aesthetic simplicity.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't read this thread
Jesus ...
but how exactly do artists/labels get money for this? Is it all down to pay-per-play?
The bands you like don't get a penny. Instead they're forced into bonded labour as Roberta from Spotify's sex slaves. The bands you hate, meanwhile, are paid in swan, caviar and liquid gold.
What will happen to artists like the Beatles who, let's face it, never appear on Spotify?
Yeh, the Beatles? I imagine they're fucked. Don't think anyone will ever talk about them again.
As for everything else you say ... I'm sorry: your entire post is drivel, dude. What the fuck are you smoking?
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
it will be fvcked up if Spfy have to start paying PRS royalties per play tho. the only thing that seems to be stopping this at the mo is simply that the application isn't popular on the same scale as YouTube. ways around this would include making subscription mandatory ala emusic, or Google managing to win the battle on what they should pay PRS for providing majors with free ad space (sorry that just never gets old for me).
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
making subscription mandatory ala emusic
Hmm: I don't think that's a comparable model. eMusic maps to iTMS, if you like; the closest Spotify has is Last.fm ...
... who, of course, are now going to start charging all non-UK/US/German listeners for the radio service.
I'd agree that these might be Spotify's salad days, certainly :/
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
There will be no Spotify iPhone app, because Apple will never allow an app that relies on a direct server connection, rather than using a proprietary app. Or at least that's what a much-more-techy-than-me friend said to me.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 2 April 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, it would be a potential iTunes killer, so why would they allow it?
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 2 April 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
are we still posting playlists or just being angry about spotify?
i made this http://open.spotify.com/user/numbers/playlist/5LTSxg1kNL2BeY3cZStqaU to try and convince some friends to join me at secret garden party in july
― Slumpman, Thursday, 2 April 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://lutt.se/lastfm+spotify+new/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
nice
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 2 April 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
pity it only does the top 5o from your last.fm but it's quite handy.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 2 April 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
f so does that mean the end of the mix-CD
Fuck a mix-CD. Killed off the mix-tape so it did. Isn't change horrible? An instantly shareable playlist just isn't the same!
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Thursday, 2 April 2009 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Couple of Grouper albums added
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Nice, everything I've heard on Type is good. Also Morr and Monika stuff added for yer early 00s indietronica needs.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Monday, 6 April 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I like old time music too
vinyl, tapes, CDs - I like them all!
but maybe a happy way of seeing it is:we appreciate them all more, now we have spotify, etc
I use spotify a lot, and iPod, and also enjoy the other things above (and even radio), maybe more than ever in a way
maybe it's All Good?
― the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
New PJ Harvey album is on there. I'd have thought record companies would wait a few months before giving new releases to Spotify, but no.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 6 April 2009 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link
may not be legit
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 6 April 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Jeez. I was listening to Iggy Pop's The Idiot on Spotify earlier. It was inturrupted halfway through by Iggy trying to sell me car insurance. Fuuuuck.
― DavidM, Monday, 6 April 2009 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link
rofl
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link
He's not selling you insurance, he's selling you time!
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
The latest way to try make you subscribe - Preview streams of new albums. If you're a premium user you can listen to the new Lady Sovereign on Spotify before official release date.
I definitely shall be staying on the free one :)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 10 April 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Is there an ILM playlist?
― state of the world today, Friday, 10 April 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
There's this spotify:user:raw_patrick:playlist:76IpHss348rO3mn7O15nU8
Do you know what really annoys me? You start Spotify, and think ah, I'll listen to an album. So you find, and it click play. After a couple of songs you think, I know what'll sound good after this album's finished, so you queue something else but because you didn't queue the first album you selected, it starts playing the second album after the current song's finished, and the your queue is full of the original artist's entire collection, which you can't delete or anything, (and because my monitor's a bit fucked these non-queued tracks are practically invisible). Am I just being really stupid? Is not queueing the first thing you listen to that much of a crime that I have to be punished in this way? Yeah, I should remember because I do this every day, but still. Maybe I should complain on their blog.
Also, Spotify not doing so well over here (so far at least) http://xrrf.blogspot.com/search/label/easter%20track%20smackdown
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Friday, 10 April 2009 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i just either wait until an albums finished then look for another or add albums to a playlist
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 10 April 2009 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link
MoHoBishOpi were utter bollocks. So any service that doesnt have them gets a +
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 10 April 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
iggy selling insurance advert on. ugh
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 11 April 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
He's selling time!
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Saturday, 11 April 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm, I've had it pause randomly on occasion in the past, which I assumed to be a memory problem at my end, but now it's playing back and it sounds like a scratched cd, just jumping about loads. Anyone else noticed this?
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Saturday, 11 April 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeh: I think it's a problem at peak times. There's some chat about it on the Get Satisfaction forums, if I remember rightly ... put it this way, I think it's 99.9% agreed to be a problem at their end.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 11 April 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I assume subscribers get priority.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 11 April 2009 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not so sure about that. There seemed to be a very egalitarian cluelessness when we were moaning at them about the OS X/scrobbling thing.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 11 April 2009 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyone else not really bothered by the ads because they remind you a bit of listening to the car radio in GTA?
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 12 April 2009 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link
no,but ive never played GTA
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 12 April 2009 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone got any good playlists?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 April 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link
have you seen the spotify playlist thread?
― Genghis Khan and his brother Don (G00blar), Monday, 13 April 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
well yeah but I dont know if any of those were of interest to me. The posters on this thread I'd say know my taste better so could recommend stuff.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 April 2009 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I might make a funk playlist that everyone can add to, but there's no Funkadelic on it!
funk playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/79tiumovObNXLsJMy6fzJm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 April 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
hey pfunkboygood news! spotify have added some music by artists you've told us you love.click on any of the titles to play in spotify (we're afraid some releases may not be available in your country yet though).Growing * All The Way (album) * Lateral (album) * The Social Club No 8 (single)Earth * Pentastar: In the Style of Demons (album) * Phase III: Thrones and Dominions (album)happy listening :)from freshspotify
good news! spotify have added some music by artists you've told us you love.
click on any of the titles to play in spotify (we're afraid some releases may not be available in your country yet though).Growing
* All The Way (album) * Lateral (album) * The Social Club No 8 (single)
Earth
* Pentastar: In the Style of Demons (album) * Phase III: Thrones and Dominions (album)
happy listening :)
from freshspotify
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link
What annoys me so far: tagging of classical music. They're not alone in this, it just seems crazy that after XY years of tagged digital music the only universal model still seems to be artist + track title + album title. This means that some things are tagged with the composer as the artist, while others (the majority?) are tagged with the actual musician(s) performing, which is somewhat unhelpful when only browsing for stuff.
This is true for many music services btw, and most don't even seem to try to address this problem. Emusic is an exception I guess.
Or is there a workaround I'm missing?
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 16 April 2009 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think so.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 April 2009 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
"especially in the bedroom"
― Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 16 April 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
it's fun looking for pre-1920s techno on this thing
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link
like that 'mechanical music hall' comp?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 16 April 2009 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
The new jingle is irritating. Also: what's it reminding me of/lifted from?
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I went to a party recently and instead of DJs or hosts' own music collection being made available to soundtrack the getting drunk/good times, they just propped their laptop on a shelf, launched Spotify
After a while it got a bit stoopid with people cutting playing tracks short instead of queing them.
Still it's got enough to rock the house for an extended period
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
IIRC the new jingle sounds like the opening of "Diamonds and Pearls" by Prince.
Also annoyed about classical music tagging - especially on the radio part, which does not seem to allow scope for classical listening at all! Music didn' just suddenly t begin in the 20th century, guys...
Speaking of the radio: I like lots of 70s music, but the tags on the radio thing just suck... way too broad. Whatever configuration I try it just sounds like I'm getting the latest Ariel Pink album... I think they need some kind of Pandora tech, or at least a blacklist option (- "nooo, not Chicago AGAIN!")
― The Sunburned Hand of Manfredd Man (Rombald), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
IIRC the new jingle sounds like the opening of "Diamonds and Pearls" by Prince
It's similar -- I queued up D&P and, by sheer luck, managed to get the jingle right before it -- but not identical ... it puts me in mind of some mildly cheesy, breezy seventies Americana, but maybe that's just the sign of a really good jingle.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
The whole of Earache's back catalogue has been uploaded today! I'm currently listening to Heartwork by Carcass!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
For some reason, I used to be able to follow direct links from ILX into the Spotify music, but now they're saying that because I'm in the US, I'm blocked. WTF? Was I just hitting accidental backdoors before?
― THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not sure, I've always been blocked from the ILX links.
― homage is parody gone sour (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
i need spotify rehab, my soul is being destroyed
― sorry for british (country matters), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
New Isis on spotify and an old Ulver album added
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Anything else new added?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 7 May 2009 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Nothing too exciting in today's spreadsheet, but there is this: http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/904190/Spotify-challenges-iTunes-unlimited-downloads/?DCMP=ILC-SEARCH
£10 a month for unlimited downloads. Hmm.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Friday, 8 May 2009 10:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Realizing that once you can access this anywhere anytime anyway, whether it's stored on your own device or not is of little importance? (Actually, in this case it's a cost to download it, since it takes diskspace.)
This argument obv only works when seeing the user in isolation, since filesharing between users is what the conventional extra cost for download is about anyway. Or, it also works if everyone uses eg Spotify, since then filesharing is pointless, you just share links and playlists instead.
OK one final advantage of downloading to device: insurance for when the Net collapses.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 8 May 2009 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link
(Also, I haven't followed thread too closely, what is this spreadsheet you mention?)
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 8 May 2009 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Every few days they post a link to a googledoc on their blog with the latest additions to the catalogue. http://www.spotify.com/blog/
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Friday, 8 May 2009 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link
The other big advantage of downloading is being able to put it on a portable player though - mobile spotify seems to be on the way but I'm unlikely to be getting anything to take advantage of that for a while. My 1GB iRiver is fine for my needs and I've only just figured out how to get wap on my 4 year old mobile phone.
My first thought was 'I think £10 a month is a fair price to save me the bother of ripping my collection (started in February, currently stalled somewhere around the Chameleons), as long as the quality's good enough'. But at the moment I seem to only be listening to music through Spotify, getting my girlfriend's laptop out and plugging it into the stereo when I actually have cds and records sitting there. This is probably more to do with last.fm nerdiness though.
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Friday, 8 May 2009 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link
The £10 a month for d/ls claim is bullshit btw.
― CosMc (Raw Patrick), Friday, 8 May 2009 10:34 (fifteen years ago) link
ha, ok! saves worrying about that. (I've just noticed the writer of that piece has the same name as me. Just a coincidence.)
― new drone spider (j.o.n.a), Friday, 8 May 2009 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link
The other big advantage of downloading is being able to put it on a portable player though
Yeah, I was kinda projecting into the future when Spotify(-likes) are installed on everyone's phone anyway. (Feels somewhat inevitable to me.)
Thanks for blog/spreadsheet answer!
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 8 May 2009 10:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Haha title of new Bob the Builder album: Appetite for Construction
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Right, have d/l Spotify.
Let's have a go...
― Mark G, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link
> Yeah, I was kinda projecting into the future when Spotify(-likes) are installed on everyone's phone anyway. (Feels somewhat inevitable to me.)
at the risk of astroturfing (i spend my days monitoring and debugging this stuff) can i point out that the future is now (but, as gibson points out, unevenly distributed)
http://www.vodafonemusic.co.uk/products/musicstation.cfmand, in the interests of impartiality, the nokia 'comes with music' thing - http://www.comeswithmusic.com/uk/
(in fact we did it the other way around - targeted mobiles first and only recently desktops)
― koogs, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:29 (fifteen years ago) link
> Haha title of new Bob the Builder album: Appetite for Construction
the previous one seems to be called 'Never Mind The Breeze Blocks'
― koogs, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:33 (fifteen years ago) link
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Blimey, it's a bit good innit?
(I might not be around here much, until I got bored wit it.)
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link
find anything good on it?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm revisiting "So Tough" St Etienne. Side 1 may be the most perfect album ever.
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link
album side ever, obv.
this is awesome for being drunk with
sometimes you get to 2am on a friday and you just want to listen to a load of Dio shit, right fuckin now
― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
you havent changed in 9 years ferg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
still, it keeps you off ebay and drunkenly buying rubbish ;)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Lol at the 2am thing: "Wait! I suddenly realize I've never knowingly heard Queensrÿche"!
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 14 May 2009 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link
My partner got drunk one night when I was away, and decided he really needed to hear some T.Rex. Then, presumably too drunk to work out where the Stop button was, he muted the volume and went to bed, leaving Spotify to play EVERYTHING in the search results queue, including the Ameritz karaoke versions. Result: seriously buggered last.fm stats. (Still, at least it wasn't bloody Wishbone bloody Ash again.)
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 14 May 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
just delete them
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 14 May 2009 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link
and then do the stats.
― featuring Strawberry and the Shortcakes (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 May 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link
spodify
― sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 14 May 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
[dopey loathsome Innocent Smoothie voice]Everyone *loves* music![/dopey loathsome Innocent Smoothie voice]
― sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 14 May 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Nah, remove the asterisks. The emphasis is on "EVERYone". But you catch my drift.
― sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 14 May 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Think they aiming at the 'couples' (nearly typo'd Copuls there ha) who soundtrack lovin' with their laptops?
"I'M NOT PUTTIN YR OFF HERE AM I?"
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
The amount of adverts I get saying that they have adverts is ridiculous. Just fucking advertise to me, don't tell me you are going to advertise to me. It makes me feel bad that I only get like 1 advert a day (I have been caning spotify all day lately, with it being time to do all my coursework i'm glued to my pc) and think that the only difference between this and illegal downloading is the occasional prick saying hello to me. No-one be making money with 1 real advert a day (ok, 1 real advert every 4 hours or something.)
Also, after making playlists of like 100s of albums I would have never thought to listen to and have got addicted to, I'm tempted to make a thread like 'recommend great albums to listen to on spotify' type thing. (Well I would if I wasn't busy.) It seems like a perfect opportunity to dive headfirst into metal and classical etc. instead of my previous attempts to dip my toe in.
― Call out (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 14 May 2009 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify isnt very good for metal (not the kind i like anyway)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Well then I'm just gonna have to carry on listening to Minnie Riperton on repeat and forget all those rubbish neckbeards and loud geetars.
― Call out (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
It seems like a perfect opportunity to dive headfirst into metal.
Being pathologically metal-averse, I did actually try this with the ILM Best Metal Albums of 2008. Um, yes. Well, it was... interesting.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 15 May 2009 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, I'm not going *there*
― Mark G, Friday, 15 May 2009 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Are Spotify users familiar with Grooveshark? Looks like a similar kind of thing, but with the focus on tracks rather than albums. It passes the Beatles and AC/DC test as well.
― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:44 (fifteen years ago) link
t I only get like 1 advert a day
huh, i've been bombarded recently. 2 in a row quite often.
― massive dynamic lady (ledge), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
however I haven't been using it that often so perhaps they tailor it so the more you listen the fewer adds you get.
― massive dynamic lady (ledge), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link
or ads.
― massive dynamic lady (ledge), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Can't believe that Grooveshark is legit if its got Beatles and AC/DC available.
― featuring Strawberry and the Shortcakes (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 May 2009 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah how does grooveshark exist? that seems crazy
― just sayin, Friday, 15 May 2009 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link
It seems like a perfect opportunity to dive headfirst into metal.Being pathologically metal-averse, I did actually try this with the ILM Best Metal Albums of 2008. Um, yes. Well, it was... interesting.
none of the good stuff from that poll is on Spotify. I think Earth was the only one unless stuff has been added since.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 May 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Lots of great older metal stuff is available though. Saint Vitus' first one, Born too Late has been a recent fave, and of course all ver Sabbs' stuff was put up recently.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 15 May 2009 10:44 (fifteen years ago) link
3rd
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 May 2009 10:46 (fifteen years ago) link
im lookin for good sites with spotify playlists
quietus made a few, not really great tough. except the john peel festive fifty series!
― moullet, Friday, 15 May 2009 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link
xp oops displaying my doom metal ignorance there!
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 15 May 2009 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Only one Campag Velocet song on Grooveshark = fail.
― CosMc (Raw Patrick), Friday, 15 May 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
If music services stand or fall on the presence of Campag Velocet, then you're destined for disappointment.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 15 May 2009 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link
if you subscribe there's no campag
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Friday, 15 May 2009 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link
for years i have wondered re a couple of mile davis albums, but never felt brave enough (bitches brew/on the corner) to dive in.this week having streamed the albums many times via spotify over the last couple of months, i bought them both.business model proven + one happy 'customer'.
― mark e, Friday, 15 May 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Black Satin ftw.
― CosMc (Raw Patrick), Friday, 15 May 2009 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
lol USP!
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 15 May 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
mark e: I did the same thing last week! albeit with buying sketches of spain. I then went on a huge playlist kick with any jazz album allmusic gave a review that intruiged me, meaning I have about 4000 rashaan roland kirk albums to listen to. When I actually start earning some actual monies, I'm gonna end up with a jazz collection large enough to open my own shop at this rate.
(Also ^^^^ this what I want to do with other genres I don't know but think I could love like metal, country and classical. And 'world' music. And avant-garde shiz. I also went on a huge reggae/dub/dancehall kick although I've not spent enough time actually listening to it.)
― Call out (a hoy hoy), Friday, 15 May 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Tiny niggles it is actually unfair to complain about because I'm using it for free anyway pt 14:
When the Spotify window is brought to the forefront, ads spring to life. I see why. But I'm already in the search field having typed three or four letters -- typing is then brought to halt with Windows boomp sound because focus moved to ad parts of window or something. Having then to mouse up to search field and click and type more.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 15 May 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8052917.stm
Online music service Spotify is hoping to launch a mobile version and expand to the US by the end of the year.The streaming service, which lets fans listen to more than three million tracks legally and for free, has gained more than a million users in the UK.Speaking about the plan to go mobile, Spotify founder Daniel Ek said: "We want to be everywhere. We won't only do one device."But fans would have to pay to put Spotify in their pockets, he revealed.The web-based service is currently free to users who accept adverts between their songs. A subscription option, which costs £9.99 a month in the UK, banishes the ads.Speaking at The Great Escape music conference in Brighton, Mr Ek said the mobile offering would only be available to subscribers. My hope and ambition is that we'll see something at the end of the year, maybe the beginning of next year, in the USDaniel Ek"Portability is an important aspect, [as is] interoperability with other devices," he said."That's definitely something we think is a premium product that people are willing to pay for - being able to bring the music with you or being able to have it working on your stereo."The company is working on an iPhone application, but also wants to make the service available on other handsets, he said."I definitely hope that it will be before the end of this year that we'll do something which allows people to bring the music with them."As well as the UK and Sweden, where Spotify was created, the current service is also available in Norway, Finland, France and Spain.It has become a huge hit with music lovers in the UK since launching in October, but the recession and resulting advertising downturn have slowed its global expansion plans, Mr Ek said.Sound qualityBut he added: "My hope and ambition is that we'll see something at the end of the year, maybe the beginning of next year, in the US."The 25-year-old entrepreneur launched the company in an attempt to provide a legal alternative to unlicensed file-sharing services, where artists, record labels and music publishers do not receive royalties.He has not revealed how many users have paid to subscribe. But more extras will be added to tempt people to sign up for the monthly fee, he said.Those will include better sound quality, the ability to listen to new releases before they hit shops, more social networking features, exclusive tracks and behind-the-scenes material from big-name artists.In other money-spinning schemes, T-shirts, concert tickets and vinyl will be sold to fans as they are listening to their favourite bands.Last.fm dealThe company is also expected to announce a deal with fellow streaming site Last.fm to provide song recommendations, making it easier for fans to find acts they like."We definitely want to have music recommendation," Mr Ek said. "I'd love to work with someone like Last.fm and I think in a couple of days you'll see some sort of announcement. Something will happen."But video streams are unlikely to appear in the near future, Mr Ek said."It's something that we've considered but we're focusing right now on the audio side, and we're focusing on generating revenues."At the moment there are other features that are higher up in the priority list, but it's definitely not something that we've excluded."
The streaming service, which lets fans listen to more than three million tracks legally and for free, has gained more than a million users in the UK.
Speaking about the plan to go mobile, Spotify founder Daniel Ek said: "We want to be everywhere. We won't only do one device."
But fans would have to pay to put Spotify in their pockets, he revealed.
The web-based service is currently free to users who accept adverts between their songs. A subscription option, which costs £9.99 a month in the UK, banishes the ads.
Speaking at The Great Escape music conference in Brighton, Mr Ek said the mobile offering would only be available to subscribers.
My hope and ambition is that we'll see something at the end of the year, maybe the beginning of next year, in the USDaniel Ek
"Portability is an important aspect, [as is] interoperability with other devices," he said.
"That's definitely something we think is a premium product that people are willing to pay for - being able to bring the music with you or being able to have it working on your stereo."
The company is working on an iPhone application, but also wants to make the service available on other handsets, he said.
"I definitely hope that it will be before the end of this year that we'll do something which allows people to bring the music with them."
As well as the UK and Sweden, where Spotify was created, the current service is also available in Norway, Finland, France and Spain.
It has become a huge hit with music lovers in the UK since launching in October, but the recession and resulting advertising downturn have slowed its global expansion plans, Mr Ek said.
Sound quality
But he added: "My hope and ambition is that we'll see something at the end of the year, maybe the beginning of next year, in the US."
The 25-year-old entrepreneur launched the company in an attempt to provide a legal alternative to unlicensed file-sharing services, where artists, record labels and music publishers do not receive royalties.
He has not revealed how many users have paid to subscribe. But more extras will be added to tempt people to sign up for the monthly fee, he said.
Those will include better sound quality, the ability to listen to new releases before they hit shops, more social networking features, exclusive tracks and behind-the-scenes material from big-name artists.
In other money-spinning schemes, T-shirts, concert tickets and vinyl will be sold to fans as they are listening to their favourite bands.
Last.fm deal
The company is also expected to announce a deal with fellow streaming site Last.fm to provide song recommendations, making it easier for fans to find acts they like.
"We definitely want to have music recommendation," Mr Ek said. "I'd love to work with someone like Last.fm and I think in a couple of days you'll see some sort of announcement. Something will happen."
But video streams are unlikely to appear in the near future, Mr Ek said.
"It's something that we've considered but we're focusing right now on the audio side, and we're focusing on generating revenues.
"At the moment there are other features that are higher up in the priority list, but it's definitely not something that we've excluded."
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 16 May 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
It's something that we've considered but we're focusing right now on the audio side
Good thinking there, concentrate on doing what you are doing well well.
And wow I'd def pay up seriously for mobile spotifying.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 16 May 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link
This article from the Register casts a sceptical eye over the service:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/18/spotify/
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 21 May 2009 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I read that with a pinch of "Orlowski is a massive tool" salt.
― man saves ducklings from (ledge), Thursday, 21 May 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Interesting to read that the record companies have at least a 30% stake in Spotify. I'm not sure that inspires much hope that the free version as it is will last much longer.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:08 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty dumb unconstructive article
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link
It's a fair point though that the business model appears to rely on being able to get money from people who want everything for free by giving them something for free. It's not encouraging me to spend money on music, though it's definitely cut down on my legally dubious downloading - I recently listened to a bunch of spotify stuff in anticipation of going to ATP then didn't buy any of it. I can't see the point (for a record co.) on cutting down/out piracy if it doesn't lead to more sales.
There's something illogical about the ad-selling thing too.
"Hi do you want to advertise on spotify? Give us $$$s and you'll have a million listeners!""Are those the same listeners you encourage to give you $$$s to avoid hearing my ads and possibly giving me $$$s?""Yes! How many shall I put you down for?"
I still think it will be a success if mobile takes off. Most people I've spoken to who use the free version would pay for an ad-free mobile version.
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
It does answer one question, though. How on earth are they paying all the royalties? They're not. They're giving equity stakes in lieu of them.
― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link
My dad asked me if next week I could help him learn how to download when I go see him and I said he would be better off just using something like spotify. Do you still need an invite to start using it though, (and how would I go about getting him one?)
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, I just went to the site and enrolled myself. So, no.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
this Nokia advert guy who comes on and says like "sorry to interrupt your free music" just sounds like he is dripping with contempt and resentment; I will kill him!
― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm gonna cancel my subscription in protest at their awful artist and tracks labelling system. no more cash til that's sorted (or there's a last.fm facility to edit/merge such details).
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Mr Free sounds like Zane Lowe to me? Anyway he's really blowing my mind with this concept of "free"!
― Achtung Blobby (Neil S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Any other free users getting increasingly bombarded with ads? I had a playlist running whilst painting the spare room for 5 hours today and rather than Nokia guy every 30 mins or so (which I was used to) am getting ads and adverts to advertise after every 3 tracks or so. I wonder if they are ramping this up to encourage people to pay the tenner a month for premium?
― Bill A, Friday, 5 June 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, Mr Free def has a Zane Lowe twang, although could be Jason Donovan too. Given the cheapness of the ads otherwise though, more likely to be a Spotify employee (again).
― Bill A, Friday, 5 June 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
New Sonic Youth album is on Spotify
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/5qo7iEWkMEaSXEZ7fuPvC3
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at idiots phoning in to Spotify voicemail service.
― Achtung Blobby (Neil S), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I lolled so hard I stumped up for Premium.
― Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:46 (fifteen years ago) link
am considering that option now
― Achtung Blobby (Neil S), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry if this is mentioned above (it's a huge thread!) but what bitrate are songs streamed at on spotify? and how does it allow songs to be played pretty much instantly, is it a bandwidth hog? (i've only seen it in action at a friends house, looks pretty good for older bigname stuff but up-to-the-minute modern stuff seems sparse)
― NI, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link
It surprises you with some of the modern stuff it has.
I think the bitrate is 160kbps and some version of Ogg Vorbis, making it equivalent to about 192kpbs.
Sounds great streamed through my stereo, anyway.
That doesn't make it much of a bandwidth hog. Bear in mind that it uses p2p to ease the load on their servers - by default it allocates 10% of your free HD space to a cache. So while it's running, you may well be giving over some of your upload capacity too.
― Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I've experienced next to no ill effects on other bandwidth-using apps from using Spotify. It actually feels very sleek and unintrusive in most respects. (Esp compared to the previous streaming service I used, MSN-branded and run by Nokia I think, which was a several-layer nightmare of glitches, random offloggings, rights-downloading etc etc.)
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link
It feels lightweight, in a good way, is what I'm trying to say there.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I've only started using it over the last few days. The sound quality is excellent and it runs like a dream on my shitty 6 year-old home PC.
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's like iTunes used to be before everything started weighing it down. It's wonderful to use. Could do with handful more features, but it's so slick. Compare it with the last.fm player!
― Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
You'd think it could remember my password for more than two logins though.
― four and twenty blackbirds too weak to work (G00blar), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
they need to ditch this invite reminder thing. i have 18 left...
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
That's funny - it never forgets my password.
― Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link
never forgets mine either
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link
huh - yeah it remembers mine for exactly one time after I check the box
― four and twenty blackbirds too weak to work (G00blar), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I had that password problem for a long time. sorry I can't remember how I fixed it but there might be a faq on it or something
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd suggest re-installing
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
you would
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
re-install THIS
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i gotcher spotify right here, bud
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I get this on the PowerBook (PPC, 10.4) but not the iMac (Intel, 10.5). Can't really be arsed worrying about it.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm glad it remembers mine, because I can't.
― SB "A Good Story" (onimo), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Is anyone else insanely bugged by how Spotify's scrollbars/ads are programmed specifically to FUCK YOU OFF? Like, click on right-hand scrollbar, it brings up an advert in the right-hand panel so that if you click again (e.g. you are scrolling and do not have a scrollwheel) you are clicking on the advert. Click on the bottom scrollbar or on the bottom arrow of the main scrollbar and it brings up an ad in the bottom panel, which you'll click on if you do it again.
But what really fucked me off on this occasion: have an ad at the bottom already? Click a couple of times on the non-ad space above it, and it replaces the ad with a new taller ad, which you are now clicking on!
...Nobody else?
― a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 21 June 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
PS I know they've gotta get paid (or at least make some nods in that near-futile direction), but also, I've gotta be able to scroll without major UI irritation if I'm going to keep using their program. Or something?
― a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 21 June 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm with you on this issue.
― still counting on porcupine racetrack (G00blar), Sunday, 21 June 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
hook a bro up?
― "jesus on the cross seems like classic homoerotic imagery" (omar little), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
you cant, you're in the US
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Good luck USA!
― Achtung Blobby (Neil S), Tuesday, 23 June 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
srsly tho, why don't you have a scrollwheel?
― stet, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm on a laptop and there is some kind of scroll-gesture on the trackpad which I am incapable of doing consistently. Ahem.
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll never buy anything from Suitopia.
― James Mitchell, Saturday, 27 June 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
No shit - and that is the only ad I hear, other than Spotify trying to sell advertising. I've no idea what their costs are, but if they are making 14p a month from each user then I cannot imagine the service can possibly be sustained for very long:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/spotify_exclusive/
I'm not trying to revel in schadenfreude over this; Spotify is the *only* streaming music service I use at all and in many ways it's superb. But I just cannot see how they make any money, or how they can possibly pay the licensing on the tracks from such a low income.
― Bill A, Saturday, 27 June 2009 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify's demographic is around 40, and precisely the sort of impulsive media buyer defined by 50 Quid Bloke.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 27 June 2009 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link
What on earth is wrong with suitopia guy's voice?
― ledge, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at new suitopia ad being an apology for previous ad
i have actually heard two or three different ads on this now!
REALLY ANNOYING: if you turn the volume on ads down below 40% they pause until you turn back upANNOYING AND KIND OF CREEPY: if you mute sound in yr OS spotify recognises this and again pauses the ads
also, really, really, really bad hot compression - anything with an isolated drum hit really really hurts to listen to
― thomp, Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
subscribers now get twice the bitrate quality btw
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link
i think default compression is 160bkps
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean range compression, it feels like some of that is going on. listening to music on spotify is more painful than listening to it via VLC player or similar. maybe it's me.
― thomp, Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
oh wait, there's a 'volume normalisation' box to uncheck
― thomp, Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
That chap on the ad singing David Watts is a champion tool, isn't he?
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
so now that I'm living in France I can use this thing, right? but I guess I need an invite? I filled out the form on spotify.com but is this like gmail where someone who's already using the service can invite others? and if so, would someone here invite me?
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
you should be good to go sans invitation
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
ok cool
― la saucisse est une femme? (Euler), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link
looooooool if you turn the volume right down during an advert, the advert pauses XD
― thank you, flipper, for nickelback (country matters), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I went premium last month. Worth every penny. And you now get 320k streaming.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link
that's odd. so are they compressing the files as they stream them? or do they have both 320/160 versions stored somewhere?
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
if the area next to my hifi wasn't some sort of black spot for our wireless connection i'd def sign up for premium @ 320kbps.
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
also spotify has done wonders for the middle8haters/30secADD/girl talk fans. i'd love stats on what percentage of each song is played in full.
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
re: the 320kb streaming, could you feasibly record the stream from your computers soundcard and save each track as a 320 mp3? would it be perfect quality or would it degrade somehow?
― NI, Thursday, 16 July 2009 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
it would degrade but not significantly. i'd probably re-encode it lower anyway as it doesn't seem worth having at 320 if it's not prime source.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 16 July 2009 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link
seriously, this application makes my ears hurt
― thomp, Thursday, 16 July 2009 10:56 (fifteen years ago) link
nice to see they had the jazz composers' orchestra record on there tho
― thomp, Thursday, 16 July 2009 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link
how would it degrade, is it just something the pc soundcard does and you can't avoid? the end result would be better than a 128 wouldn't it?
― NI, Thursday, 16 July 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
The most tiny of tiny gripes (that still gets to me sometimes): The song progress bar at the bottom is sensitive far outside of the actual knob-moves-in-slot area. Thus, when only the bottom of the Spotify window is visible behind the bottom of another window on my screen, and I click on it to bring Spotify to the foreground, I usually accidentally skip to somewhere else in the track.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
it's like taking a screen grab of a hi-res jpeg and re-saving that. it won't match the quality of the original source because any compression process (based on already compressed material) never can, but it would probably be equivalent to 256 ie not a big deal.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 16 July 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes. Though it would obv depend on how the rippage occurs. The thing is that soundcard-ripping is probably already one decompress-compress removed from what was sent to the computer. (Also, sounds from other computer activity -- email alerts etc -- will/may then also enter.) However, I've never really understood why it is not easy to simply intercept the received bitstream and just save that? Proprietary formats instead of eg mp3?
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 16 July 2009 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
would say why record anything from spotify anyway? doubt there's much on there you couldn't get off slsk (latest version), often quicker
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 16 July 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is the Big Thing -- perceived cost of disk space, cheap as it is, will go below perceived insurance cost of "omg what if ubiquitous net disappears!?" very soon. Ie: why hoard musics when you can just summon them from the cloud?
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 16 July 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
> would say why record anything from spotify anyway? doubt there's much on there you couldn't get off slsk (latest version), often quicker
or you could, y'know, *buy* some cds...
― koogs, Friday, 17 July 2009 07:05 (fifteen years ago) link
no they suck
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Friday, 17 July 2009 07:50 (fifteen years ago) link
better than mp3s
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 17 July 2009 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link
why hoard musics when you can just summon them from the cloud?
yes - this is what Spotify does so well which is why the whole question of people laboriously ripping songs through either the soundcard or a program like AudioHijack is moot - if Spotify works as it should, it makes that activity feel like pointless time-wasting from the get-go
i just feel like it should have been ASCAP or PRS who came up with this, since Spotify is essentially a monthly license fee to listen to music
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 July 2009 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, reason i ask is for sampling/re-editing purposes, not just for casual listening. and as good as ssk is, it's hard to find songs in decent quality, especially 50s + 60s (and most pre-00s even). plus having to wait 3 days for ssk's crappy wishlist function to come up with a song vs spotify + 3 clicks (record/stop/save)
― NI, Friday, 17 July 2009 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't actually use spotify at the moment btw, just curious if it's any use for the above. is there any chance of a particular label suddenly deciding to remove all their material from the service?
― NI, Friday, 17 July 2009 10:34 (fifteen years ago) link
yes there is, i believe a few have done it
i'm guessing you use a PC (since mac ssk doesn't have wishlist) but Audio Hijack for Mac is pretty fabulous at ripping whatever from wherever, as long as it's going through your computer, and there's little to no real degradation, though my ears are very tolerant
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 July 2009 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Tracer Hand, don't you live in France or somewhere? You can probably get Spotify there - I think they call it "Le Spotify".
It's been great for educating me about solo McCartney lately, but the adverts have become more and more frequent, and largely irritating. Ads for Spotify, call Spotify, If I Ruled The World and other mobile-phone BS, Alcohol: Know Your Limits by some tosser girl whom you want to disobey because of her horrible voice. It is all starting to make me think of subscribing.
Or is there something good about the horrible adverts, as a form of punctuation, or mortification?
― the pinefox, Friday, 17 July 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link
if Spotify works as it should, it makes that activity feel like pointless time-wasting from the get-go
i did use spotify to record some sound effects type stuff tho (crowd sounds etc.)
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Friday, 17 July 2009 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, the creative use rather than listening, that I get. Didn't think of that, because it's not a thing I do.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 17 July 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
from a listening point of view, the fact that some labels are actively taking down their music worries me too. as it gets bigger this could become common and doesn't make it much of a comprehensive 'cloud'.
thanks for the Audio Hijack tip, TH. i've got a mac as well so i'll get it for that. isn't there a pc equivalent? are soundcard rips done on a pc somehow worse quality than a mac?
brings me to another question for which i've never been able to get a satisfactory answer. if i take a 192kbps mp3 and stick it in soundforge then save it again as a 192kbps mp3, is the resulting mp3's bitrate the same as the first or are we losing quality somehow, like when you photocopy an image over and over? i'm guessing not, because it's a digital process and surely all the frequencies that a 192kbps mp3 deals with will be transferred over in full to a 2nd gen copy. do we have any pro sound guys on ilx who can answer this?
― NI, Saturday, 18 July 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
from a listening point of view, the fact that some labels are actively taking down their music worries me too. as it gets bigger this could become common and doesn't make it much of a comprehensive 'cloud'
Ach, I don't think so. I read something the other day -- if I wasn't about to head out the door I'd look for it -- suggesting that, thanks to streaming music services (not just Spotify but also YouTube), "the kids" are now turning their backs on illegal downloading and just listening to shit off the net as and when they want to hear it. (Yes, I know YouTube isn't exactly a paragon of copyright laws, but hey.) I assume most labels see Spotify as a medium- to long-term deal: it might not be making them cash at the moment but it's something they can probably turn to their advantage a damn sight more easily in the future than they could -- say -- Torrents.
Of course, the music industry is also renowned for being fucking cretinous, so I could be way off the mark there.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
do we have any pro sound guys on ilx who can answer this?
― Siegbran, Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, can see why spotify is more appealing to the music industry than torrents/p2p. youtube had the whole thing with labels taking down their music videos though, it seems it's still a delicate balance, for now.
thanks siegbran, can you link to any articles/studies about this? how great is the loss each time, and what's the best way around it? ie. save each subsequent file at 320 or wav? is it the case that re-saving a 192 mp3 x number of times would result in an mp3 of nothing more than white noise?
― NI, Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify sets its sights on iPhone
― the sniggering about boobies phase (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 27 July 2009 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link
This is a game-changer. If they had this in the US, I would definitely pay for it.
― kshighway, Monday, 27 July 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, April 2, 2009 1:33 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark
http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/07/27/spotify-for-iphone/
― kshighway, Monday, 27 July 2009 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
It's still not publicly available, is it? I wouldn't put it past Apple to raise some kind of last-minute objection.
They'd be crazy, but ...
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 27 July 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link
After having the ad drilled into me all day yesterday, I have now registered as a blood donor and booked an appointment for tomorrow lunchtime.
I WILL save premature baby Anna.
― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 30 July 2009 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Good work Spotify.
fuck that, i'm still after a suitopia suit
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link
p.s fuck you, adam from spoddify
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm having second thoughts about my 'no fosters ever under any circumstances' policy
― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
that is a barefaced lie btw
― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, if Apple approve this then this is solid gold marketing strategy from Spotify. Previously a subscription was nice but utterly inessential, but if you need to subscribe to use the mobile app then suddenly there's a revenue stream, potentially a huge one.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link
to celebrate Apple letting them in they ought to drop the sub rate by a couple of quid
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm sure that'll happen
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm not
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Tiered home/mobile/both subscriptions would make sense.
― Hypnagogic Poop (onimo), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
how great is the loss each time, and what's the best way around it? ie. save each subsequent file at 320 or wav? is it the case that re-saving a 192 mp3 x number of times would result in an mp3 of nothing more than white noise?
I suspect, though I'm not sure, that when you open an MP3 in SoundForge or Audacity or Adobe Audition (is that what they call CoolEdit now? You can see I'm five years behind the times), you're not editing the MP3 as such. The application has effectively "unpacked" it into something it can edit, so there's a something akin to raw 16/44.1k (or whatever the application is set to) PCM audio in its memory (though the audio still has the lossy frequency profile of the original MP3).
You save this back out as an MP3 and its quality is dependent on (i) the quality of the original (i.e., it can't exceed it) and (ii) the quality of the software's MP3 encoder (which may be inferior to whatever application originally created the file).
I may be wrong about this but I think repeatedly editing MP3s doesn't eventually degrade them to mush, but rather you're just imposing the quality of the editing software's encoder on the file each time. Safest way is, indeed, to write out as WAV and only compress to MP3 as your final step. (In photo processing software, you're effectively going JPEG > TIFF > JPEG).
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
These fuckers seem to be advertising to me after every 1 or 2 songs now, it's fucking ridiculous. I could understand it when it was a long jazz piece or whatever, but now I just want to murder them.
― Seven Swagurai (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
does the frequency of ads depend on when you sign on? it definitely seems to vary
― thomp, Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
> The application has effectively "unpacked" it into something it can edit, so there's a something akin to raw 16/44.1k (or whatever the application is set to) PCM audio in its memory (though the audio still has the lossy frequency profile of the original MP3).
typically they use floating point internally. (so there's another loss of precision there...)
but generally if you have something that's 99% perfect and re-encode it you'll have something that's 99% * 99% perfect = 98.01% perfect. keep doing that and it soon drops. it's largely a case of where your acceptability threshold is.
― koogs, Friday, 31 July 2009 09:28 (fifteen years ago) link
These fuckers seem to be advertising to me after every 1 or 2 songs now, it's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, the ads have increased, definitely. I was listening last night and adverts came after one song then another after a further two songs then three. I don't know if it goes on like that, or is always like that but fuck. It's particularly annoying when your listening is inturrupted just for an ad about Spotify itself.
― DavidM, Friday, 31 July 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish, Monday, July 27, 2009 12:17 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
Apple has been denying shit left and right. They just rejected the Google Voice app.
― kshighway, Friday, 31 July 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
man I saw her naked man...NNNGH
― hello you are very gnocchi i would like taco you in the (country matters), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
yes, if you slept with her it kinda follows that you saw her naked you fucking retard
― hello you are very gnocchi i would like taco you in the (country matters), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
public information announcements: not what they were
If anyone uses foxytunes on firefox it now has spotify support now.http://blog.foxytunes.net/2009/07/08/foxytunes-supports-spotify/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
700 year old gripe or something, annoyance may mostly be from other apps:
when I in Windows click the X in the upper right corner of a window, it means KILL. Not SLEEP IN A TRAY REQUIRING MORE EFFORT TO KILL.
Apart from that, well happy with the Spotify tbh.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
and apparently now the richest man in asia (li ka-shing) has invested 50 million dollars in spotify. in other words, this thing probably isn't going away...
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 00:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks, Crucialmemory.com!
― The Sunburned Hand of Manfredd Man (Rombald), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 08:58 (fifteen years ago) link
hate that cunt that leaves the voicemail message saying "it's great but i can't put them on my ipod"
NO GUFF, YOU DUMB CUNT."I like the look of all the houses in my street but hey, how come I can't just walk into any one of them and make myself at home? This blows!"
― #/.'#/'@ilikecats (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 09:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Apple refuses the Spotify iPhone app.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 17 August 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm, the article you linked doesn't seem to say that (I can only read the translation into English you used; I don't read Swedish). It just says that Apple is taking a long time to accept it, and that this suggests a problem. Or did I miss something?
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Monday, 17 August 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
For Spotify probably ended up in a "sour cream" for specific test rather than the usual sex.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
― firestorm of twat rage (onimo), Monday, 17 August 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
ok what the fuck is this kate moss advert
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
whistling cunt advert is allover tv now
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
ah jesus that tune is annoying
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
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someone's either seen nathan barley or needs to
― You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Can someone send me an invite please?
― send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think you need an invite - but you do need to be in Europe
― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
http://proxify.co.uk works for Ireland (not officially available here yet)
― p-dog, Thursday, 27 August 2009 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm in America :(
― send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 27 August 2009 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I invite you to Europe
― Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Thursday, 27 August 2009 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
new spotify pet hate — well, music advertising in general pet hate — playing five seconds of that's not my name before announcer is all "THIS dramaticpause IS THE TING TINGS!" — while you're collecting data on my listening habits how about you work out I KNOW THAT ALREADY
― thomp, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i am very angry about having free music!
can't be very good if they're giving it away
― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link
how do you search for specific labels?
― b hoy hoy (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 27 August 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify app approved for iPhone
― Bob Six, Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Yikes.
― Alba, Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Hallelujah!!!
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Put label:labelname in the search box, with quotes around it if it's more than one word.
― is Wii your mom or somethin (onimo), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link
find spotify a bit of an anti-climax, like i was really excited by it when i first downloaded it now i only use it to play "if you wanna be happy" by jimmy soul when i get drunk.
― 123456789 (jim), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I wondered why the last 3000 tracks on your last.fm was that song.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link
spotify for iphone not tht big a deal in practice tho - it'll chew batteries
― cozwn, Friday, 28 August 2009 01:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Ya.
Spotify has turned my whole listening behaviour upside down. From using iTunes almost exclusively for my music, I now use Spotify 90% of the time (on my iPod I tend to listen to podcasts, not music). Maybe I"m just bored with my iTunes Library (and the effort that goes in to updating it), but Spotify is the path of least resistance for me.
― Alba, Friday, 28 August 2009 06:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Will it chew batteries even with cached playlists and so forth?
Presumably they'll roll out versions for Blackberries/other smartphones now? Or have Apple snagged them into some kind of exclusivity thing?
― Tuncay Stryder (Matt DC), Friday, 28 August 2009 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link
My excitement centres around being able to use Spotify in the office, as audio streaming is streng verboten around these parts. So battery life isn't a major issue.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
― Tuncay Stryder (Matt DC), Friday, 28 August 2009 08:55 (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
I had been wondering why there's never been any talk of Spotify on any other phones. I can't see exclusivity though. I hope.
― CosMc (Raw Patrick), Friday, 28 August 2009 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link
If there's enough of a market and money there, they might look into it. The iPhone is just now a no-brainer for developing apps, especially of the streaming media type, because of market share and enthusiasm. As far as Apple's concerned, they're a competitor of sorts and it was questionable whether they were going to get approved when the app store review process is such a black box.
― mh, Friday, 28 August 2009 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought I read about some Spotify/Android thing going?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 28 August 2009 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah - at the end of the BBC story linked to above.
― Alba, Saturday, 29 August 2009 09:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Does anyone know anything more concrete about what the finances of this are like for artists? The only thing I've seen is this Guardian article, which seems to suggest they're pretty bad:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/aug/17/major-labels-spotify
Have any other major (or even minor) artists had their catalogues pulled?
― toby, Saturday, 29 August 2009 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link
In Sweden, where Spotify has been running the longest, Magnus Uggla – well-established since the late 70s – has withdrawn his music from the service. On his blog he said that, after six months on the site he'd earned "what a mediocre busker could earn in a day". Regarding his record label, Sony Music, he says "after suing the shit out of Pirate Bay, they're acting just like them by not paying the artists". When he found out that Sony had 5.8% equity in Spotify he wrote: "I would rather be raped by Pirate Bay than fucked up the ass by (Sony boss) Hasse Breitholtz and Sony Music and will remove all of my songs from Spotify pending an honest service."
― thomp, Saturday, 29 August 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I was told by a guy who considered investing in Spotify to a significant level, and who therefore took a look at the books, that the company makes fourteen pence per user, per year and his prediction was that they'd be dead before the end of this year. That was before the iphone deal but I'm not sure whether he considers them any more viable an entity subsequently.
The problem it seems to me, and this may have been mentioned, is that the adverts aren't intrusively frequent enough to steer the user toward the subscription version. I guess it's a tricky balance but it seems to me if they had more adverts they'd generate more revenue from both versions of the program.
― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Saturday, 29 August 2009 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link
does anyone know offhand how long they've been offering the subscription model?
― thomp, Saturday, 29 August 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes to the above, and in my month or so of using it I've gotten mostly ads for Spotify itself. That can't be good for their bottom line.
― my dixie wrecked (Euler), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i sometimes get 2 ads every 3 songs so im guessing the longer you use it the more ads you get, but for newbies they dont overdo the ads incase it puts them off.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
It probably varies by country, too.
― my dixie wrecked (Euler), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
surely the majors would step in and save it from collapse given they're now in on it plus the supposed piracy deterrence (depends how much value they put on that i guess)
― unban dictionary (blueski), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Free streaming at 160 seems like a miscalculation on their part, because 160 is fine enough for me to make subscribing unnecessary. If they streamed at YouTube rates, then maybe 10 euros a month would be worth it to me. I can't see how this is sustainable in its present (excellent) form.
― my dixie wrecked (Euler), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Got very few ads to begin with, sometimes whole albums would go by with no ads. But now I get a couple every 2 or 3 tracks so obviously they've got some algorithm that increases them the more you use the service. May well be a good strategy since I'm now contemplating subscribing although I still think £10 is too much, at £5 I would have already done it.
I'm told by someone who knows a Spotify insider that the plan is to make it subscription only next year.
― Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe Apple will just buy it
― unban dictionary (blueski), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
it does seem that a lot of people would pay half the current rate for same bitrate but just no ads - seems a reasonably happy medium
― unban dictionary (blueski), Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Are they making enough noise about the Premium bitrate? I'm an uber-fussy audiophile, and yet Premium through the hi-fi sounds indistinguishable from CD.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 29 August 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, that's how I'd advertise it: to compete directly with the concept of buying and owning CDs, pointing out the value and convenience aspects.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 29 August 2009 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I was told by a guy who considered investing in Spotify to a significant level, and who therefore took a look at the books, that the company makes fourteen pence per user, per year and his prediction was that they'd be dead before the end of this year.
― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Saturday, 29 August 2009 12:58 (2 hours ago) Bookmark
think he got the numbers wrong: 14p per month per user from ads. that's dwarfed by the earnings from premium subscribers, obviously. sounds like they're on course for £2.3m revenue in a year from uk users. averages out at £14 per user per year, but obviously there's a massive disparity between free and premium subscribers. i assume they're going to keep the free option attractive until they've got many more people signed up - 170,000 in the uk is still tiny - and then gradually shift people over to the pay model. (which is a bit like the "?" step that comes before "profit!" admittedly)
― joe, Saturday, 29 August 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
One strategy would be to start shifting new songs (say, within 6 months of release date) to subscription-only, and keep back catalog free. I think they do this now with pre-release material? I doubt this would be enough incentive for me, though. Or some albums/acts/labels could become pay-only. That would help the gradual shift of people to the pay model.
― my dixie wrecked (Euler), Saturday, 29 August 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Only 17,000 paying users inthe UK? That really is tiny.
The figure I'd love to see is how much the artist gets per play. Did the similar figures for Emusic ever become public?
― toby, Saturday, 29 August 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/08/26/spotify-premium-uk-magical-mercury-prize-competition/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 30 August 2009 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link
so if i sign up in the uk, will it still work when i head back to the usa?
― akaky akakievich, Sunday, 30 August 2009 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link
No...I'm a UK subscriber, and I couldn't get it to work when I visited the US earlier this month.
― Bob Six, Sunday, 30 August 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link
it should work if you're a premium subscriber:
When I try to login it says that my current country does not match my profile?When you login Spotify checks the internet protocol (IP) address that you use to connect to the internet and compares it to the country you set in your profile when you registered. If they do not match and you are away from your home country more than 14 days you will not be able to log in. If you have moved we suggest you change the country in your profile, as long as you have moved to one of our other launch countries. If you travel extensively you can purchase a premium subscription for unlimited travel. In some cases this error can occur by mistake if you use Spotify at work as many companies route their traffic through other countries therefore you appear to be abroad. If you’re at work and have this problem you can solve it by logging in to your Spotify account at home once and awhile.
― joe, Sunday, 30 August 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
It worked for me in France last month.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 30 August 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
oh great, just what we needed, a talk to frank advert with the sound of someone puking.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 30 August 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
talk to frank advert every 2 songs now. 6 tracks played 3 bloody adverts.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 30 August 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
and again 2 tracks later (a couple of them were 2 adverts btw)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 30 August 2009 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Re "Premium indistinguishable from CD"... having just plugged the laptop into the REALLY GOOD hi-fi, I take it all back. Limitations duly exposed.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I found the ads easily annoying enough to warrant spending £10 a month. £10! That's nothing. Or maybe I'm hopelessly out of touch with Breadline Britain.
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
If you've got the stereo cranked those ads are very, very off-putting..
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link
these ads are much more regular than they used to be. really annoying. which is exactly how they should be if they're going to persuade me to pony up a tenner a month.
― bakerstreetsaxsolo, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link
When we introduced the sharing feature, a lot of you requested a simple way of sharing the music you are listening to on Twitter. With Spotify 0.3.19, you can.
http://www.spotify.com/wp-content/uploads/share-to-twitter.png
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 3 September 2009 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link
http://pansentient.com/2009/08/spotify-fm-new-last-fm-mashup/
There are several mashup apps that help you find new releases on Spotify based on your listening habits scrobbled to Last.fm (here’s the complete list). The newest and possibly the best yet is Spotify.fm from developer Frank Quist. Spotify.fm includes several unique features you won’t find elsewhere, such as an RSS feed and the ability to search new releases based on both your Last.fm username or genre. Spotify.fm lists the most recent releases (going back 6 months) from your favourite artists. Enter your Last.fm username to display a list sorted by date released on Spotify then by artist:
Spotify.fm lists the most recent releases (going back 6 months) from your favourite artists. Enter your Last.fm username to display a list sorted by date released on Spotify then by artist:
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 3 September 2009 12:36 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.frankquist.nl/spotifyfm/
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 3 September 2009 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link
spotify is proving kind of a boon in the workplace.
― thomp, Friday, 4 September 2009 09:23 (fifteen years ago) link
What gives? I see that "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die" among others have suddenly disappared from the Sabs page. A temporary blip?! The beginning of the end?!
p.s. Technical Ecstacy = Criminally Underrated. Don't let the cover put you off!
― The Sunburned Hand of Manfredd Man (Rombald), Saturday, 5 September 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
They added 45,000 albums in August so I don't think a couple of Sabbath albums disappearing is the beginning of the end, and there are still about 15 Sabbath albums available.
I like the Technical Ecstacy cover!
― Hi, Super Nintendo Chalmers! (onimo), Sunday, 6 September 2009 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link
They're deliberately making those adds worse and worse to get you to pay for the thing aren't they? Might be getting near some sort of tipping point for me here anyhow.
― Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Sunday, 6 September 2009 11:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I thoroughly enjoy those brilliant adverts.
― the cunt from the hilarious "spotify" adverts (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
C*nt!
― Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Sunday, 6 September 2009 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually by "enjoy" I mean "would like to stab the star in the throat".
― the cunt from the hilarious "spotify" adverts (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Noodle Vague voiced "Whitey" in those adverts.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 6 September 2009 12:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Stevem OTM. I'm starting the rumour that Apple announces the Spotify app on Wednesday and it'll come bundled on the new iPods. And the small print will say something about Apple taking a stake in the company.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 6 September 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe not (I am dum):
Today we’re really excited to announce that Spotify is available to our premium subscribers for the iPhone, iPod Touch and Android platforms. The Spotify app is downloadable in both Apple’s App Store and the Android Market.We’ve worked hard to bring you the same great Spotify experience you’re already familiar with to your phone. The mobile apps will allow you to take the entire Spotify catalogue and put it in your pocket. You can use our ‘offline mode’ to make playlists available at all times, even when no connection is available, perfect for that ride on the tube or long flight across the Atlantic.
We’ve worked hard to bring you the same great Spotify experience you’re already familiar with to your phone. The mobile apps will allow you to take the entire Spotify catalogue and put it in your pocket. You can use our ‘offline mode’ to make playlists available at all times, even when no connection is available, perfect for that ride on the tube or long flight across the Atlantic.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 6 September 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Haven't tried downloading anything to the phone yet, but it takes about five seconds to start playing a song when streaming it over T-Mobile 3G and there's none of that buffering like in the Last.fm mobile player.
Using the Android version, by the way.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 6 September 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify is set to offer offline versions of its playlists to PC users as well as those on mobile phones. Apparently.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
not 100 per cent sure that blog is interpreting the t&cs correctly: spotify has always cached songs to speed up the streaming (you're also uploading tracks to other users, peer-to-peer style). so it might just mean you can use spotify on up to three machines as a premium user.
― joe, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Huge update today with another 189,000 tracks added. Skimmed through the google doc http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tuLYLenoNqBWfhds8qaoXDg&output=html, Jeepster's back catalogue is up with Belle and Sebastian up to full strength, The deluxe editions of Radiohead's last EMI albums are up. What looks moist interesting is a lot of vintage stuff from 'The Orchard' including Brylcreemed Boys & Beehived Birds (Part 1), Bollywood - Before the Slumdog Millionaire Years, Virginia Rocks! The History of Rockabilly In The Commonwealth and African Folk Music of the 1920s.
― Old Man of Hoy-ho Silver Lining (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Signed up last week. Just started getting ads today, but they're not so bad...yet.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Interesting bit of comment about Spotify DRM and mobile data usage.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 08:14 (fifteen years ago) link
hahaha did anyone else get the advert for 2666 yet?
― thomp, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I've only listened to the first cd, but that Virginia Rocks! History of Rockabilly is nigh-on flawless. Quite wonderful.
http://open.spotify.com/album/27c6YY7NTdr1aJpHf2SdL4
― GamalielRatsey, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Using Dan Black AND Dan Le Sac & Scroobius Pip to advertise Oxfam is kind of making me want to pipebomb my local charity shop.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 10:59 (fifteen years ago) link
can't hear you, too busy committing my body to corporate science
― should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 11:00 (fifteen years ago) link
This is good - http://spotifitunes.com
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I rather like this — 'R&B from Doo-Wop to Hip-Hop': http://open.spotify.com/album/4he7R24eqd1EbF9kegiAK8
Bonus — guaranteed to annoy absolutely everyone in the average office at some point!
― thomp, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I think this will be the carrot which makes me sign up for a premium subscription, http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/10/01/spotify-goes-offline/
― Terminator Eggs (Billy Dods), Friday, 2 October 2009 10:24 (fifteen years ago) link
'Love vs Money' finally on this
― modescalator (blueski), Friday, 2 October 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link
i keep getting this shit when i load it up even though i am connected to the internet
http://burythehammer.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/alan1.jpg?w=510&h=382
and songs keep just stopping halfway through for no reason. if it weren't so free and easy, i'd be starting to really get fucked off with spotify.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 10 October 2009 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I kept getting some error message earlier where i had to restart spotify
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link
There's been a lot of this kind of shit reported on the Spotify forums ... the Mac client had become unusable for some, and painfully slow to log on for others, but I know Linux and Windows users have been getting grief too. In fairness to Spotify, I think they've fixed the Mac issues: their customer service is actually exceptional, but obviously it requires everyone who's having problems to actually let them know.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 11 October 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyone heard this? http://open.spotify.com/album/7MHKYRlQH5GD2DFPSHKIEv
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z4SK4HEJL._SS500_.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
hahaha http://open.spotify.com/album/2kFgh4JSmUjqNSm1mkvcbKhttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CJ-XpM1xL._SS500_.jpghttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Kickin-Hitlers-Butt-Anti-Fascist-1940-1944/dp/B000NDDU60/ref=pd_sim_m_h__5
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/4LRTQPGnZuVjaZ40okBYNThttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EwVnPVDdL._SS500_.jpghttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Diabolical-Hoodoo-Vintage-Hellfire-1920-1952/dp/B0002IPZI2/ref=pd_sim_m_h__2
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/3Awtoiuz3rT7up9wDgXucrhttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61R7R6FCTBL._SS500_.jpghttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00019FWEO/ref=s9_sima_gw_s0_p15_i4?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=06VFC68M04MRRVZXSFFE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/album/2CfMlq0DebXeJClBI8XQv9http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61GPASBHJZL._SS500_.jpghttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Junkers-Jivers-Coke-Fiends-1926-1952/dp/B0007WL7DK/ref=pd_bxgy_m_h__img_c
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5129Z8FH0CL._SS500_.jpg
the whole series is on spotify
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZY2CYYPGL._SS500_.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61WKTCM49DL._SS500_.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Here is a list of the entire series http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/label/Buzzola/a/Buzzola
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
18 vintage songs about sex. Track Listing of songs: Ride Daddy Ride; I Want a Bowlegged Woman; It Ain't the Meat It's the Motion; You Put It in, I'll Take It Out; Sweet Honey Hole; Doodle Hole; Poon Tang; Let Me Roll Your Lemon; Good Jelly Blues; It Must Be Jelly 'Cos You Know Jam Don't Shake; I Had to Give up Gym; Mule Get up in the Alley; Let Me Ride in Your Little Automobile; Baby Let's Go Down to the Woods; Move Your Hand Baby; Sit Right on It; She Kept on Sittin' on It All the Time; Hucklebuck Baby;
that is filthy for 2009 nevermind 1927-53
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Is nobody else here getting the CD-like skipping (not like buffering..) on every track played via Spotify 3,4 or 5 times each now?
― fndgo, Sunday, 11 October 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Not me. I had it a few times months ago but not recently. Must only be certain albums?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link
only if I've suddenly become the unluckiest picker of spotify albums ever.
am dual booting and pretty sure I've been getting this on both XP and Win7 so suspect it's something to do with the last upgrade (I get the "offline" pause above too, although it usually clears, but takes a good minute to snap into online mode)
― fndgo, Sunday, 11 October 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
this sounds great toohttp://www.trikont.com/basics/cgi-tdb/basics.prg?session=5b68bfcf4ad26f46_240695
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I've been getting that fndgo. Think they are just messing with it to encourage people to pay up tbh.
Do those rekkids sound as cool as they look?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 11 October 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yes!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I do like that Hitler and Hell track.
― GamalielRatsey, Sunday, 11 October 2009 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I listened to Space Guitar & Deathray Boogie - Vintage Science Fiction Songs 1926-1952 CD, Diabolical Hoodoo: Vintage Songs of Devilry, Doom & Hellfire 1920-1952. and I'm listening to Kickin' Hitler's Butt: Vintage Anti-Fascist Songs 1940-1944 which has woody guthrie,leadbelly etc on it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 11 October 2009 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll give the Deathray Boogie a go before bedtime then :)
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 11 October 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
what did you think?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 October 2009 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link
for the last few months i have used spotify excuslively to check out jazz music that i need to hear before i buy : mile davis, stan kenton, wayne shorter etc.so why is it today when i log in the list of artists that spotify thinks i may like is : soft cell, the lilac time, squeeze, the beautiful south, orange juice, and the blue mile !?
― mark e, Monday, 12 October 2009 12:57 (fifteen years ago) link
"doodle hole"?
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 October 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Science Fiction one was v. interesting. It was not anything like what I normally listen to, so I can't say if it is good or not but I certainly enjoyed it and wouldn't mind hearing more like it. Internet age kind of sucks trying to hear everything I actually want to, and not in a cuntish 'oh yeah, i once listened to 5 minutes of that so i can have an opinion on it because i'm a massive prick' kind of way. (That said internet age keeping my listening habits cheap, so <3.)
Sam complains about spotify adverts #43: Never, never ever, never ever never ever gonna be scared by a movie called TRIANGLE. Even if you do say it in that LOUD AND SUPPOSED TO BE SCARY BUT KIND OF SILLY voice. TRIANGLE. It is an instrument even more useless than cowbell.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 12 October 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Your mind would be blown if you ever saw the early 80s BBC soap Triangle.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 12 October 2009 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Just added:
Kraftwerk
* Autobahn (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * Computer World (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * Radio-Activity (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * Techno Pop (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * The Man Machine (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * The Mix (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * Tour De France (2009 Digital Remaster) (album) * Trans Europe Express (2009 Digital Remaster) (album)
― Suggest Gandhi (onimo), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link
wwwowwww
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:56 (fifteen years ago) link
!!!!!!!
― Bill A, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link
(on a non Kraftwerk note just discovered a shitload of Moondog and some Tom Lehrer on there too, that's the afternoon's playlist sorted)
― Bill A, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
As I said on a revived Kraftwerk thread, they all have horrible covers. Listening to The Mix, and they sound great, though!
― Neil S, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
...although it's not actually mixed, which is something of an error. I'm going to give Tour De France a try instead.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the cover of 'The Mix' is an improvement and I would really like TEE if I'd never seen the original sleeve. The new Man Machine sleeve is appaling.
― go in go hard brother (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
otm x3
― modescalator (blueski), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
The new Autobahn one isn't too bad I suppose.
Cover connections:
http://www.recordstore.co.uk/images/covers09/08.2009/kraftwerk_radioactivity_300.jpg
http://www.plong.com/MusicCatalog/V/VA%20-%20Box%20Of%20Dub%20(Dub%20Step%20And%20Future%20Dub)/VA%20-%20Box%20Of%20Dub%20(Dub%20Step%20And%20Future%20Dub).jpg
― Neil S, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Listening to Computer World and the drums on Numbers are absolutely immense. Really glad I took the plunge and signed up for a premium sub as the remasters are much, much better than I expected.
― go in go hard brother (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
what's the advantage of having a premium sub with regards to the kraftwerk remasters?
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Streams in 320kbps instead of 160 kbps. Same for all stuff I think, though some stuff will benefit more obviously.
― go in go hard brother (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
... and if you've got an iPhone then you can download them for offline listening too. Am actually surprised at home much I'm looking forward to hearing these.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Er, at "how" much, obviously.
FEAR COMES IN WAVES: TRIANGLE
this makes me lol every time i hear it.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
premium now offers offline listening? why this would be useful i really don't know but still
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
i would happily take a survey so spotify know how to accurately advertise to me. because if i, a non-driver, hear that fucking bad driving done by a lol child advert one more time i may go steal a car and run over some children. i use spotify to stop me 'stealing' music but at this rate, i may just have to go back to it. or find a job and buy records again.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 16 October 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Bob Dylan catalogue no longer on Spotify (or isn't on there as of right now) :(
― Officer Pupp, Sunday, 18 October 2009 07:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Aye he pulled everything, this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/aug/17/major-labels-spotify - implies that it was something to do with the labels making money as spotify shareholders without any of that revenue reaching the artists.
― Suggest Gandhi (onimo), Sunday, 18 October 2009 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh god, that newly prominent 'Buy' button is going to prove dangerous.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 18 October 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Foetus
* (Not Adam) (single) * Ache (album) * Blow (album) * Damp (album) * Deaf (album) * Flow (album) * Limb (album) * Male (album) * Null / Void (album) * Rife (album)
― Suggest Gandhi (onimo), Monday, 19 October 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Just installed Spotify on my brand new iPhone. Did someone say that there wasn't an Artist search? Well actually, there is.
It all works very well - pretty fast, and a good high bitrate - although it looks like you can't add new playlists directly on the iPhone. The one aggravation is that the app doesn't seem to remember your previous searches - so if you break off halfway through an album, you've got to re-run the whole search to get back to where you were, unless you've already added the album to a pre-existing playlist.
(Oh, and there's no scrobbling of course.)
― mike t-diva, Monday, 19 October 2009 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link
You know, I'd idly wondered about this. I'm so glad I kicked the Last.fm habit before the Spotify mobile app appeared, because that would have driven me insane.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Monday, 19 October 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
judas
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 19 October 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
New Grant Hart album http://open.spotify.com/album/5PBaS8oAyN58OphJkFSQGT
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 19 October 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link
An email from them offering 6 months premium at £7.99 a month. They're weakening (although I bet they've introduced whatever's caused all the stuttering the last couple of days in order to help persuade me. You'd hope 'offline' wouldn't suffer those problems).
― j.o.n.a, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ARGH. CONSERVATIVE PARTY BROADCASTS INTERRUPTING KRAFTWERK ALBUMS?!?!?
FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
I thought these ads were supposed to be "appropriate" - WTF WTF GET IT OFF GET IT OFF GET IT OFF
oh god that was awful.
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Conservatives-Slam-Brown-In-New-Adverts-On-Digital-Music-Service-Spotify/Article/200910315410147?lpos=Politics_Second_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_9&lid=ARTICLE_15410147_Conservatives_Slam_Brown_In_New_Adverts_On_Digital_Music_Service_Spotify
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
FEH FEH A SKEEVE TO THEM
You're bloody right I don't want to hear Tory propaganda when I'm trying to enjoy music. I feel unclean.
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Spotify deserve to lose listeners for this. No way am i giving money for a subscription now to them when they accept money from the evil scum that is the tory party. Fuck Spotify.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link
£5 subs now though!
― Neil S, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
That £2 subsidy is thanks to the Tories. Do you really wanna go there? ;-)
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
when spotify spouts tory propaganda pish they get zero money from me.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Suddenly glad this hasn't reached America yet. I couldn't stomach paying for Sarah Palin ads between my songs.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
(You don't get the ads if you pay. But if they're getting money from the Conservatives, they dont' need mine.)
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
This suddenly makes me glad I only ever get adverts where motorcyclists die every 2 songs.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
when spotify spouts tory propaganda pish they get zero money from me
Oh, come on. They're the Tories, not the BNP -- which, I accept, would be a very different matter. And it's hardly "spouting propaganda pish": hellfire, if broadcasters/websites/print publications only took ads from companies or organisations they explicitly supported, the world would be a very different place. You might think it'd be a better one, and I'm not going to argue -- but that's advertising-supported business models for you.
Either way, I think it's a little Spartist to have a pop at a business for accepting money from the fucking Conservatives, cock-ends though they might be ;)
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
otm
― Bob Six, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Downloading plsylists for offline use on the iPhone is pretty slow. Also you have to be a) using the app, b) connected to wi-fi and c) plugged into the mains (for more than a few downloads). Best solution is to open the app at bedtime and let it run overnight.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 October 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah seriously if you're not going to consume any media that has ads for the Tories then you're pretty much going to have to move to another country for the next year.
It might actually drive me to pay for a subscription though.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 October 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Also I've found myself mostly using Spotify for classical music and DJ mix albums and ads in general are beyond intrusive in either case.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 October 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
VLAH. just got Toried again. I turned the sound off until it was done.
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link
AGAIN! two in one album is surely excessive.
― Strawberry Letter 22 (Masonic Boom), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, it's just started making me reccomendations. I didn't know it was going to do that.
I was expecting them to be totally off (as iTunes ones usually are and last.fm ones often are) but it just suggested me Nitin Sawhney and that is completely OTM.
― The Paisley (shop) Window Pane (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
[freshspotify] new music for you on spotify!
Depeche Mode
* Ohrwürmer (album)
Eh?
― George Mucus (ledge), Friday, 6 November 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Ohrwurm = earworm (ie catchy song) in German, I think? Probably some compilation thing for .de market?
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 9 November 2009 00:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I've just my first ever actually *appropriate* spotify ad!
For Miike Snow, who I don't actually like - but at least they're even remotely in the right sort of ... area.
― Persian Pickle (Masonic Boom), Monday, 9 November 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
hey pfunkboy
click on any of the titles to play in spotify (we're afraid some releases may not be available in your country yet though).Redd Kross
* Third Eye (album)Scott Walker
* Humble Beginnings - The Early Years (compilation)
Jesu
* Opiate Sun EP (ep)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 9 November 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm listening to bluegrass. How likely is it that I'm going to be receptive to an ad for GTA: Chinatown Wars? (Rated T for Teen.)
― I never saw the advantage of peeing while standing. (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link
does the take that singstar ad really start w/ "THE GREATEST DAY OF YR LIFE HAS FINALLY ARRIVED". I was lol-ing so hard I wasn't sure if I heard it correctly.
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 12 November 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
can any premium types tell me just HOW much better the 320 is than the 160. i can't bear the sound quality in Spotify much as i love the service. is it loads better? their own forum has frankly been no help.
― piscesx, Thursday, 12 November 2009 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't hear the difference at all, but I do a terrifying amount of my listening on crappy built-in iMac speakers, so I'm no use. I signed up for premium simply so I could use the iPhone app.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 November 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
tell me just HOW much better the 320 is than the 160
twice as good ;) roughly the same quality as the m4as you can buy on itunes plus
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay, I want this now. Where can I get an invite??
― dog latin, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
(you haven't needed on for about a year... in the uk anyway)
― koogs, Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
You do again since they started the iPhone thing. Webmail me yr email address DL if you still need.
― j.o.n.a, Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Those Spotify ads are fascinating...there's one where a guy pronounces the "h" in "Sky HD" as, "haitch," which I find totally baffling. And why do so many ads have announcers speaking in really bad fake American accents?
― A. Begrand, Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Pronouncing H as "haitch" is fairly common in England (maybe Britain in general as well).
― Pedro Paramore (jim), Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I just passed my remaining 13 (! -- they kept giving me more) to http://www.spotipartners.com/ ... they seem to be as good a source as any.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Don’t leave your invites unused. People are dying to get access to Spotify.
Blimey, I had no idea it was so serious.
― j.o.n.a, Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
i haven't tried this out, but theres a deep url that looks like it will let you sign up without an invitehttps://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/
― scout, Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
got 25 invites
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
And why do so many ads have announcers speaking in really bad fake American accents?
This is a feature of many adverts on TV in Britain, especially done in that deep film trailer voice.
― Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that deep URL still works, so you still don't need an invite. As for premium bitrate, it sounds superb on iPhone + decent headphones - appreciably better than the miserly 192 that I've always used in iTunes. Not full CD quality, but not far off.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link
can someone send me a spotify invite?
― geeta, Friday, 13 November 2009 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link
people who say "haitch" are the most disgusting savages imo
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, how else do you pronounce H?
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
"aitch"
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
How do you spell Haitch?
"Haitch"
Yes, Haitch.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
geeta i'm not sure spotify is available on the orbiting techno spaceship you live in
o, sorry about the H at the start. Yeah, disgusting savages.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
invitation sent nonetheless
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 13 November 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, that Nandos advert is a tad racist
― PaulTMA, Friday, 13 November 2009 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link
how does the Nandos advert go? I have premium so ad-free!!
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Friday, 13 November 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't got that one. I just keep getting the sodding Robbie Williams ads. You know, I *like* Robbie, but those ads are making me hate him. :-(
― Persian Pickle (Masonic Boom), Friday, 13 November 2009 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link
not sure what it is about my spotify habits (recently, herbie hancock, esma redzepova, nels cline, ersen, evangelista, the open strings comp), but for some reason they keep trying to sell me sodding hard-fi.
that's hard-fi.
― m the g, Friday, 13 November 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
My new game is typing two unrelated words into the search box and listening to whatever it comes up with or suggests. Just found this amazing karaoke version of the Cheers theme tune by searching for 'space cheese'.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Hello spotify. Yes, I like Little Boots and I like Douglas Adams but I DO NOT LIKE THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF A PHILIP GLASS OPERA THANK YOU.
Actually, a Philip Glass opera about Douglas Adams starring Little Boots would be just about the best thing in the universe.
― Cosmic Dentistry (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
would love a douglas adams ad. all i get is the malibu mishmash one. BE ONE OF THEM.
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Except it's not really Douglas Adams, it's more like that "And Another Thing..." thing.
― Cosmic Dentistry (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Searching "space cheese" - several xposts
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Thursday, 19 November 2009 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f02efac6-d4ab-11de-a935-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
Spotify has also played up the rates it can charge advertisers, saying that its ability to determine a listener's mood based on the beats per minute in the songs they are listening to has helped it achieve high click-through rates of as much as 6-7 per cent.
yeah right
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link
looooooooooooooool
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
now playing: Cat Stevens "I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun"
― mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
now playing: Rotterdam Terror Corps "Brutal Attack"
― mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Still sometimes surprised by the extent of the catalogue on this: both Hugo Largo albums! sixty-nine and I by AR Kane! Even Euphoria by Insides = currently listening to Relentless for the first time in at least six years.
All it needs is for someone to script something that can detect the running time of a track and skip to the next one as it reaches the final second to defeat the advertising (every other track for me these days, pretty onerous).
― Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
All it needs is for someone to script something that can detect the running time of a track and skip to the next one as it reaches the final second to defeat the advertising
Or you could just buy a subscription ... :)
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link
they really should've made it cheaper now to be fair
― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
omg please stop with the malibu mishmash. or just give me another advert. i genuinely have heard nothing but BE ONE OF THEM in about a week and a half. it's got to the point where i'm using spotify less& less just not to hear that advert.
― 9-1 never forget (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
BE ONE OF THEM
i think i've learnt to block that one out - it's not as bad as the 3-Mobile-goes-Braveheart one
― my fave thing to do on the computer is what im doing right now (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
From Chrysalis Music on twitter :
1 million streams on #Spotify earns you $167? Not good.
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.softpedia.com/news/1-Million-Streams-on-Spotify-Earn-You-167-127714.shtml
― nothing (onimo), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link
>Or you could just buy a subscription ... :)
y'know, blueski otm - if it was even just a couple of quid cheaper then I would probably already be signed up, but on top of every other household bill I cannot justify it. I also don't think that £9.99 a month is value for money in this instance, which likely reveals me as a terrible skinflint.
― Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
traditionally britishers haven't had to pay for what is effectively radio, so i can see there's some opposition there.
am not sure lady gaga can complain either. that's $167 from a brand new revenue stream, one that didn't exist this time last year and is 167 dollars more than she'd've got from people downlooting it. it's not like they had to press up another million copies and ship them out to record stores... 8)
(does seem awfully low though)
― koogs, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
do they mean that's how much lady gaga got directly after taking into account everyone else's share (inc 'repaying' the label on initial investment or whatever)?
― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty sure it's just the artist's share. how likely is it that the labels accepted low royalties in return for a share of ownership and neglected to think about their musicians' interests? hmm...
― joe, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I also don't think that £9.99 a month is value for money in this instance, which likely reveals me as a terrible skinflint
Ach, I was being a bit cheeky ... TBH, the only reason I've signed up is so I can use the mobile app (which I love). If I didn't have an iPhone, I think I'd still be enduring/moaning about the ads.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, if it worked with my mp3 player I think I'd be more into paying for it. But until then, I'll continue with my cheapjack last throes track skipping habits. As it is I only ever listen to it at work, so the radio comparison from koogs is spot on.
― Bill A, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I know the lines have now blurred in this digital age such that data = product to most people...
But a solid tenner every month still feels extortionate for a rental service that still isn't quite there delivery wise, at least in comparison/addition to my monthly broadband bill.
That said, I don't suppose anybody on a premium subscription knows if the streaming is actually less buggy on it? I'd hope it'd somehow get a higher priority in the p2p end of things...
I still get intermittent skips (more like missing blocks getting joined together without the silence) on 2 different operating systems (XP & Win7), 2 different connections (home wireless and work broadband direct ethernet connection) and well, it's okay for free sure, but having serious trouble committing any further as it does spoil my enjoyment frequently.
― fndgo, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah it does skip more now than it used to plus im not convinced they take care when ripping some albums either.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't experienced any skips, but the premium service often runs too slow - annoying pauses in the middle of tracks. It doesn't bother me too much though, as I mostly set currrent playlists to offline, so that they download overnight on the iPhone. No issues with value for money, as £10 a month is good value for unlimited high bitrate listening of multiple albums. A good 80% of all my listening is now via Spotify on iPhone, either on headphones or wired through the hi-fi. But I do miss scribbling.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link
...that should have read "scrobbling". Damned auto-correct...
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah lots of pausing in tracks too
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
you cant scrobble from an iphone?
cant 'scrobble' in scrabble yet either
― unforgivable Jaqness (tremendoid), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
which is just silly
― unforgivable Jaqness (tremendoid), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i tried premium day pass last week and the thing became nearly useless. skips, stops and tracks that wouldn't load. don't know if the size of the files had anything to do with it but yeah, they have some issues to deal with
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 02:11 (fifteen years ago) link
the premium day pass is in the low bitrate too, i didn't relaise this but supposedly so.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 02:55 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost: Correct, you can't scrobble Spotify from an iPhone.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
^ ... which means, as I've said elsewhere, I'm *mighty* glad I kicked the Last.fm habit before I went premium :)
Like Mike, I use the iPhone app for a tonne of my listening now, and I'd be a bit stymied without it. I can't say I've noticed any streaming problems at all since I started paying, either: maybe I've just been lucky, though.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 10:02 (fifteen years ago) link
There does seem to be a link between a song's popularity and its ability to stream. Never have a problem with big hits; sometimes have a problem with lesser-known tracks, e.g. where there's only one tick on the populariity bar or whatever. Which makes sense, considering the service uses P2P behind the scenes.
But of the 80% of all my listening that's Spotify + iPhone, maybe 80% of that is via the offline mode. I've become rigorously organised about playlist management, and it's dead easy to add an album to an existing offline playlist on the fly, pending a download the next time I'm a) plugged into the mains and b) on wi-fi (both of which you need to be).
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Never have a problem with big hits; sometimes have a problem with lesser-known tracks, e.g. where there's only one tick on the populariity bar or whatever
Hmm. I'd never even noticed the popularity bar until now (or, rather, I had but had ignored it): looking back, my last few blasts of listening veer from about half-full to completely empty, but I've never noticed any differences in stream quality/reliability either way. I'm guessing a lot of it will have to do with your ISP as well?
You're absolutely right about the iPhone app, though: probably because I still organise everything in iTunes with separate playlists, it feels totally natural to do that with Spotify too. Yes, it requires that tiny modicum of forethought -- but it's well worth it.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 13:12 (fifteen years ago) link
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:21 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://www.stevelawson.net/wordpress/2009/11/if-spotify-is-the-new-radio-the-artists-are-winning/
so it turns out this was bollocks. $167 was just the publishing fee, she made over a grand in total, which is about 100x the amount you'd make from radio for the same number of listeners.
― joe, Friday, 11 December 2009 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link
that advert for 'a wkd christmas' is srsly the lowpoint of our culture
― dyao know what i mean (acoleuthic), Saturday, 19 December 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't have any wkd christmas adverts. I just get endless ads to Yahoo playlists. I have to say spotify's tactics seem to be working, since the adverts are the worst thing I've ever heard, and I was in Nam. The Super Mario Drive By guy really needs to be fired from a cannon. Or I pay for premium, I guess.
― NotEnough, Monday, 21 December 2009 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
WTF is this Mumford & Sons pish that they keep advertising? Sounds fucking awful.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 31 December 2009 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link
lovestruck.com advert assuming you're a single professional man looking for love through the medium of music-streaming (and not okcupid or hell real life) = people had better not sign up to this shit
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Awesome how this thread turned from "Spotify is the future of music!" to "these fucking ads"
― NotEnough, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
"In fact you probably saw someone hot this morning!"
yes yes yes beautiful women are everywhere and available and subservient and CHECK OUT THE ASS ON THAT ONE
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Still, all the Kraftwerk remasters!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i am not saying that spotify is not the best thing ever, which it sadly is
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Have they got rid of the women who laughs for no good reason after she says she likes 'Can You Feel It' by The Jacksons? I hate her.
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Interview with Daniel Ek, founder of Spotify. They're hoping to launch in the US in the early part of this year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8478599.stm
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link
So now I have a whole chunk of Kraftwerk, and the Monkees' "Headquarters sessions" to minidisc..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 11:59 (fourteen years ago) link
is it 1998 again? 8)
(i still use mine for recording gigs. but nothing else.)
― koogs, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 12:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i use mine for interviewing people. the sound quality is great and it's totally reliable.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link
also with Hi-MD you get hours and hours on a single disc.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I did around 5 KW albums, and have space to spare.
Had to edit the ads out, but hey.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link
cheapskate
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
The Monkees' "Headquarters sessions" is unavailable by any other method.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I got fed up enough after hearing that ad for Brothers and the operapopstarsBritneySpears thing too many times that I paid for premium. I figure I use the thing enough, might as well give them some of my money..
But now my songs keep randomly stopping and starting again :(
BOOOOO
― salsa sharkshavin (salsa shark), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Search on the iPhone is dicking me around. Button takes ages to appear, then ages to find a result, then suddenly disappears again and drops me back to the playlists. 3G, five bars, it's always been fine before.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I've had the same thing this week, but only intermittently.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link
having the same problems, ledge. isn't streaming for me either.
― Crackle Box, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
all better now
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
got premium (tbh it's pretty sweet) for christmas. the streaming is definitely a bit choppier though, and it seems like it can't play consecutive tracks without a little skip between as well
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
songs are streaming right now very oddly: when they start at all, they're playing at double or triple speed, evidently by skipping every other 1/2 second, so that the songs are half as long. I was listening to Sheena Easton but it became intolerable; now I'm trying the Black Eyed Peas and "I Gotta Feeling" was absolute bizarre---just a big monotonous blur. "Boom Boom Pow" is a little better at this speed. Anyone get this effect?
― Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link
haha so Chaka Khan's "Through The Fire" showed up on the home page and so I'm trying it at Spotify triple speed or whatever and the chorus sounds like the Kanye sample now! consider it auto-chipmunk, courtesy of Spotify.
― Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link
> I was listening to Sheena Easton but it became intolerable
'became'?
― koogs, Monday, 1 February 2010 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link
― Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
No streaming at all for me, again. Got through the first 8 tracks of Speak and Spell no problem, but it won't give me any Big Muff. Fnarr.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 1 February 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Ek talks America, iTunes, various things.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone got a spare mflow invite?
http://www.mflow.com/
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article7016056.ece
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link
lol it's put the Busted album under Cheap Trick.
― NotEnough, Thursday, 11 February 2010 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I saw that!
"Crashed the wedding" specifically.
― Mark G, Thursday, 11 February 2010 09:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Wonder if there's been a sudden surge in iTunes sales during the past six hours
― James Mitchell, Saturday, 20 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
This bullshit popping ads up in the scroll bar as you're clicking it to make you click them by accident is both disgusting and savage.
― the pity party of tiny feet (onimo), Sunday, 7 March 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
so far, my impression of mflow is that its not as good as spotify.... here's an articles explaining what it is:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/100004722/twitter-meets-itunes-at-mflow/
As a user you can only preview 30 sec of tracks or buy to hear the whole track. You can recommend/flow tracks to others and they will be able to hear the whole song in order to make a buy decision.
I created two user profiles and mflowed about 10 entire albums from one to the other. Under the receipient profile, I only got given a selection of tracks from the albums I had flowed, rather than the whole album.
So, whilst mflow is not ad-supported like the free version of Spotify, its way more restrictive and doesn't let you dive into an album.
I got spare invites if anyone wants one, 'cos I;m not recruiting anyone in the near future.
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't wait to try Spotify - if and when it comes to the US. Lala.com is lame with it's one-time stream per album deal.
― musicfanatic, Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
want to get an invite for my ex - anybody got one?
― but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Got one if you pm me.
― porn mirth pig (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
pm'd - thanks!!
― but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Friend of mine looking for an invite - anybody got one?
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link
yah i do
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link
altho can't do it now. unless you can invite from iphone app.
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:50 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait i can do it from the website
Dunno how it works tbh. Do I need to give you his email or something?
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link
yup
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Email sent :)
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link
pal invited
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Friday, 23 April 2010 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Cheers
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2010 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.spotify.com/int/blog/archives/2010/04/27/the-next-generation/
April 27, 2010, 05:06This morning we’re really excited to announce a major evolution of Spotify. Today we begin rolling out Spotify version 0.4.3 which includes the largest feature upgrade since our launch in late 2008.To kick it off we’ve added a number of social features, centered on a fully editable Spotify music profile, with the ability to publish playlists, top artists and top tracks for public view. Discovering these profiles is simple as we’ve connected with Facebook so that you can instantly add your friends’ profiles.As well as introducing a variety of new social features, Spotify is evolving into a total music management platform. We’ve added a ‘Library’ folder in the left side bar, enabling you to combine your own music library with ours.
This morning we’re really excited to announce a major evolution of Spotify. Today we begin rolling out Spotify version 0.4.3 which includes the largest feature upgrade since our launch in late 2008.
To kick it off we’ve added a number of social features, centered on a fully editable Spotify music profile, with the ability to publish playlists, top artists and top tracks for public view. Discovering these profiles is simple as we’ve connected with Facebook so that you can instantly add your friends’ profiles.
As well as introducing a variety of new social features, Spotify is evolving into a total music management platform. We’ve added a ‘Library’ folder in the left side bar, enabling you to combine your own music library with ours.
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:39 (fourteen years ago) link
stoked
― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link
canx i haz cheeze invite lemme know
― danbunny, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
And if yours isn't updating to the latest version, download it from
http://download.cnet.com/Spotify/3000-2141_4-10912348.html
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
does anyone pay for premium via paypal? They cant do re-ocurring charges via that can they? I might try it for a month but I dont wanna do it via CC incase i forget to cancel it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
ok i signed up, looks like it does charge you each month, didn't think they could do that with paypal, so im not too happy with that but I'm gonna give it a go, esp useful with all these listening clubs. Maybe I'll use Spotify more now I'm paying for it but i cant see me subscribing every month unless i do use it a lot.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
New version is killer
― stet, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Didn't realise they update the player, I'm still on 0.3.23 by the looks of it.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
We’ve added a ‘Library’ folder in the left side bar, enabling you to combine your own music library with ours.
Lord, my prayers have been answered. <3333
― snakebite and a passable pinot noir (Upt0eleven), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
This new version layout somehow reminds me of Napster. If only there was a way to chat to people on your friends list...
― jellybean (back again) (Jill), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I wonder if the labels who own a huge chunk of spotify are enjoying scanning my library for leaked mp3s...
― broad layering (onimo), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Doesnt work in the Yewessay.
― kelpolaris, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
if anyone has an invite messagemail me....ill buy u a toffee
― danbunny, Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
"Doesnt work in the Yewessay."
it does if u use proxy switchy in chrome
― danbunny, Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
tried to send you an ilx-mail just now does that ever work?
― joe, Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
got it..........thnkkkkkkkkkkkkksss its awesome
― danbunny, Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Are the proxy settings as easy to tweak for us North Americans as they are on the older version?
― A. Begrand, Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i used proxy switchy in google chrome and used proxy-list.or g and copied th ip and port number into prxyswitchy
― danbunny, Thursday, 29 April 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Getting this for iPhone has been the best thing I ever did...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 29 April 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Me too...How much do you use it during the day on 3g? It hoovers up data - and I wonder in the long-term if the phone companies will act to limit it.
― Bob Six, Thursday, 29 April 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Xpost: on iPhone it let's you download and store music on your phone! So you can play offline
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 29 April 2010 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone know when the new version will be available for mac?
― p-dog, Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I downloaded it from spotify's site yesterday evening. It looks good - though I haven't tried the link to facebook yet.
I was quite impressed with how quickly it built the new 'library' - and it found more tracks than I have in iTunes.
― Bob Six, Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Most of my Spotify iPhone plays are in offline mode - I set the playlists up to download overnight, while I'm plugged into the mains on my home wi-fi. That said, the 3G signal in the office is super-strong, so it rarely pauses while streaming online.
The new Windows version hasn't rolled out to me yet - the site says they're phasing it in - and I am getting VERY IMPATIENT.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
mike, you can download the new version; the update doesn't mess with any existing playlists or settings
And if yours isn't updating to the latest version, download it fromhttp://download.cnet.com/Spotify/3000-2141_4-10912348.html― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:48 (2 days ago) Bookmark
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:48 (2 days ago) Bookmark
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 29 April 2010 10:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah thanks, will do so this evening...
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 29 April 2010 10:51 (fourteen years ago) link
It tried to roll out the new version to me after I already downloaded it myself, resulting in something fucking up and me having to do it all again. Really happy with it but I'm still a bit wary about it mining my libraries - I'm not a serial advance copy downlooter but I imagine if I was I'd be concerned about installing a product that allows major record labels to browse my computer for albums they haven't released yet.
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't make those playlists public, then! Pretty sure it doesn't let them see details of your library otherwise.
― stet, Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link
How much information does Spotify store about my local files and what do you do with them?We collect data on the files you import and play for top list purposes, statistics and to link tracks to our database for better sharing. As we state in our privacy policy, we won’t share an individuals information regarding imported files to 3rd parties.
From the blog, although obviously it depends how far you believe that's likely, and what exactly it means.
How did it fuck up onimo? I did the same, and it's crashed a couple of times, but nothing serious.
Other than that, it's great - always slightly wary of the social aspect of these (misanthropy/integration of everything fear) but the assimilation of itunes stuff is great, as the fact you can sync both local and spotify files to iphone playlists. Once the new iphone gets third party apps running the background - KABOOOM, I have leveled up.
― Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Ooh, so does this mean I'll be able to use Spotify as my MP3 player, without having to open bloaty old iTunes?
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:34 (fourteen years ago) link
How did it fuck up onimo?
As we state in our privacy policy, we won’t share an individuals information regarding imported files to 3rd parties.
Don't make those playlists public, then!
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Yep, on computer it's great, because the whole search/linking thing is so much better than itunes, tho not sure about relative amount of space taken up per song on iPhone, and obviously that whole not being able to run spotify in the background is a drag, until the iPhone 4.
Point taken about third parties onimo.
― Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago) link
The labels only have a 17% stake; they definitely count as third parties. Spotify giving them data on who has prereleases would just be suicide, too. I'd be relaxed about it.
― stet, Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought you were generally more twitchy than most about data mining, particularly when Facebook gets involved.
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Sony, Universal and Warner have 8% each, according to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080700891.html
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait I'm wrong - they're using commas and decimal points :/
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah I am, I guess trust matters a lot here: I trust Ek and a bunch of Swedes way more than Zuckerberg or CBS. Even at that last.fm has been packed with leaked stuff for years and nothing happens.
It's not actually illegal to listen to or possess this stuff, anyway: only to duplicate or distribute it. (Someone else can be the test case on how you get it on your machine without duplication tho ...)Xp
― stet, Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:54 (fourteen years ago) link
commas *as* decimal points
― broad layering (onimo), Thursday, 29 April 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Inbox needs a 'Thanks' button. Also 'Thanks. Thanks a bunch.'
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Saturday, 1 May 2010 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link
don't think labels are really bothered about what files are on people's PCs only whether they've "uploaded" them
― mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 1 May 2010 10:40 (fourteen years ago) link
How long is it going to take before us plebs get the new version?
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link
you can download the new version; the update doesn't mess with any existing playlists or settings And if yours isn't updating to the latest version, download it from http://download.cnet.com/Spotify/3000-2141_4-10912348.html ― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:48 (2 days ago) Bookmark― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:00 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:00 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark
Tho see onimo's posts about having to re-install.
― Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 1 May 2010 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah - downloaded it for mac, no joy.
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 1 May 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Bugger.
― Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 1 May 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah - downloaded it for mac, no joy
That's really odd: doing that worked for me (and Stet, I think). It's definitely version 0.4.3 you're getting?
On a more general Spotify/Mac note: is anyone else finding it more stuttery and troublesome of late, usually at evenings and weekends? I'm 99% sure this is related to my ISP (good ole BT) and their traffic-shaping: there's been a lengthy discussion of it on Spotify's forums and both them and BT have made promising noises about a fix -- but I'm pretty much having to rely on offline playlists most of the time now. Not a massive hardship, but still ...
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 1 May 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Spotify + Mac + BT + stuttering - tell me about it.
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank you grimly fiendish, now have latest version.
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 1 May 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
getting stuttering now. This latest track has just stopped completely. What a waste of money.
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
A few niggles:
- After the recent update, I'm not informed the number of songs in each playlist - When I search for artists/albums, I often get "and xxx more". How can I find the xxx others?- Is the only way to print playlists: CTRL C | CTRL V in MS Word ?- Can I make a playlist of the (more amusing) ads?
- Is there another blog/forum for such questions?
― garside5, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link
amusing ads o_O
http://spotify.com/blog
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Thursday, 13 May 2010 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I paid 99p for a no-ads day on Saturday and it was fine - went through a 6 hour playlist without a single hiccup in the stream. Recommended for parties full of people who won't like most of what's on your local library.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Thursday, 13 May 2010 09:27 (fourteen years ago) link
- When I search for artists/albums, I often get "and xxx more". How can I find the xxx others?
if you scroll down through the list it adds new entries iirc
― joe, Thursday, 13 May 2010 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link
After the recent update, I'm not informed the number of songs in each playlist
And you no longer get the total playing time, either. Boo. Although oddly, both remain in place for the "Starred Items" playlist.
Is the only way to print playlists: CTRL C | CTRL V in MS Word ?
This never worked for me - I just get a series of messy looking URLs. Perhaps it's been fixed in the new version? Can't check right now.
I do like finding out who has subscribed to my playlists, though.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 13 May 2010 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone using this as srs itunes replacement for local files? Any good?
― I don't want to go into my newt details (ledge), Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
was excited to try this as my itunes collection is way too big to live on my laptop's hard drive. spotify seems to be missing loads of stuff tho.
― p-dog, Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it searches for playlist files rather than all local audio.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I asked:Is there another blog/forum for such questions?
amusing ads: recommended: http://spotify.com/blog
But can you ask stuff there?
Or where?
― garside5, Friday, 14 May 2010 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link
You can ask questions in the comments sections of the spotify blog and sometimes spotify staff answer them, if you're lucky.
There's alsohttp://www.spotify.com/int/help/support-forum/
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Friday, 14 May 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone managed this:
"You can further sort your playlists into your own compilations, collaborative efforts, playlists created by friends, and more. Just create a blank playlist for each sorting category. You can use symbols such as * and – to make your labels stand out, for example “- – -My Playlists- – -” or “***Party Playlists***”."
Is it just an extension of the manual alphabetization?
http://www.stuffbypaulbrown.com/how-to-organise-your-spotify-playlists/#comments
― garside5, Saturday, 15 May 2010 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link
how do i uze this bitch in the USA (BABAY!!!!) USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 15 May 2010 05:29 (fourteen years ago) link
try this
1) go to http://www.daveproxy.co.uk/2) enter the following URL: https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/3) Create your account, for UK postcode – check http://www.postcodesearch.org.uk/
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Saturday, 15 May 2010 09:06 (fourteen years ago) link
comments on blog I got that from says it might not work as they check ip from the spotify application. You might need to do more ip shenanigans.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Saturday, 15 May 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone else heard the ads for this crazy German band?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URxzu8EFBVY
― James Mitchell, Monday, 17 May 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh, no, thankfully i upgraded to premium. The world doesnt need a german housemartins
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 17 May 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
guess i was asleep when the housemartins covered r&b hits in a rockabilly style.
― I don't want to go into my newt details (ledge), Monday, 17 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Ruh-roh:
First up is Spotify Unlimited, which offers you round-the-clock, ad-free access to Spotify on your computer. Create playlists, build your own library, share music with friends - and all for only €5 a month.Also available from today is Spotify Open. Open offers new Spotify users the chance to try out the service without the need for an invite, giving access to millions of tracks for up to 20 hours every month - that’s equivalent to listening to 25 albums or 300 tracks EVERY month!
Also available from today is Spotify Open. Open offers new Spotify users the chance to try out the service without the need for an invite, giving access to millions of tracks for up to 20 hours every month - that’s equivalent to listening to 25 albums or 300 tracks EVERY month!
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link
users who are happy with their current plan won’t be affected by these updates.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:20 (fourteen years ago) link
...if you're already paying, surely?
Looks like the free service will now be restricted to "up to 20 hours per month".
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe not. If you haven't already signed up, looks like you lost out (unless you can get an invite): http://www.spotify.com/uk/get-spotify/overview/
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link
No "available offline" or spotify mobile with Unlimited (doesn't that make it Limited?) and it's got the same bitrate as free but £5 to get rid of the ads is tempting.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:25 (fourteen years ago) link
im signed up but don't seem to have n.e. invites to give out :/
― all i wanna do is poll poll poll poll and zing and discuss mia (history mayne), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:27 (fourteen years ago) link
If you have Free now, you'll fallback to Free when your Premium or Unlimited expires.
^good news for anyone wanting to try out Unlimited.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Day pass is no longer available!We recommend Spotify Premium or Spotify Unlimited instead.
:(
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:02 (fourteen years ago) link
boo
― long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link
the beginning of the end
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Surprised it's taken them so long to do this.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
spotify unlimited for half the price is a pretty reasonable deal though.
i have two invites for anyone who's interested btw
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
£5 for unlimited is pretty good value, Premium (which you're already paying for?) isn't changing, people on Free get to stay on it. Losing the day pass is a loss but I think this is a better price structure overall.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
£5 is remarkable considering what that would have bought in Our Price when i were a nipper
― stet, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
a 10 pack of TDK's?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
£5 at Our Price would at least have gotten you something in decent quality and without horrible compression.
― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been moaning at them on Get Satisfaction for the past month about how I can't get a decent stream in the evening: after 5pm it starts stuttering terribly. After a while I realised that everyone with the same problem was using BT as an ISP: fair play to Spotify, they've had several chats with BT about it and tonight -- for the first time in months -- it seems to be working properly, after they persuaded BT to tweak something technical I don't quite understand.
All of which is a long-winded way of saying: I like Spotify. A hell of a lot.
― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Is the compression on standard Spotify really bad? I don't remember it being atrocious, but I went premium ages ago so might have forgotten
― stet, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Aye, a poster.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
compression on Free causes me no problems, although admittedly it's only through headphones or a cheap-ish 2.1 PC speaker kit. Never had a single stutter on Free either (am on a LLU ADSL2 connection with very low contention ratio though, it sounds like grimly's problems are with BT rather then S/ify themselves).
Disappointed at the end of Day Pass, I've bought this a few times recently when I've been off work decorating etc. I've still got a psychological block about paying a tenner for it on a recurrent basis rather than a quid every so often, I guess.
― Bill A, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Utterly addicted to this, thanks to sonderangerbot for the invite.... it's sort of a problem for me though as 95% of my listening is home listening while typing up essays or just perusing through the internet, so now I see no need to ever buy an album ever again. Unfortunately they don't have a lot of stuff from Warp Records, :(
― kelpolaris, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Listening to 'God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It' and it's jumping like a dodgy vinyl record. Having never heard the album before I wonder if it's supposed to be like this.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 21 May 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
In the early spotify days I heard quite a few vinyl rips - I figured they were just throwing in everything they could hoover up from anywhere but I haven't heard anything like that for ages.
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Saturday, 22 May 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I was listening to a song that skipped a lot, making me think it was just a CD rip.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Saturday, 22 May 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Bill: it was far more BT's fault than Spotify's, yes, though the fact it seemed to affect Intel Mac users more than PPC or Windows users (though not exclusively) pointed to something slightly more complex -- as Spotify admitted. Fair play to them: they could have just said "lol BT fuck off", but they stuck with it and it all seems to be good now.
For the moment, at least.
As for the pricing: the tenner a month is worth it for me because of the iPhone app, pure and simple. I'm at the stage now where Spotify's simply an integral part of how I listen to music: I'd be screwed without it.
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 22 May 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Not entirely convinced it's BT at fault as that's the only thing I've had problems with. The stuff I listened to before and after played fine.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Saturday, 22 May 2010 08:52 (fourteen years ago) link
There's a track on My Dying Bride's "Turn loose the swans" (title track, I think) that turns into a completely different song in the middle. Spotify guerilla mashup, I assume.Rather, uh, disconcerting. A bit amusing. Turns out, incidentally, that that album isn't as enjoyable at 29 as it was at 19.
― Øystein, Saturday, 22 May 2010 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link
2 gripes: signing up to the day pass isn't/wasn't as easy as it should be. we tried to sort this for a party last weekend and ended up paying £10 for the month, bit irritating. second gripe, listening to it during the day and songs constantly pause and skip, im guessing because of the increased bandwidth needed to stream 320 mp3s. i use bt too but this was still happening late last week. they should at least have a setting to bump this down to 128 as my only workaround is to log in with an old ad-supported account - the idea of (mistakenly) paying £10 for an unusable service is kinda ridiculous
― NI, Thursday, 27 May 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
My questions upthread answered, I just got an email from paypal saying I'd paid for premium, so it does do it automatically!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 27 May 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
2 gripes: signing up to the day pass isn't/wasn't as easy as it should be. we tried to sort this for a party last weekend and ended up paying £10 for the month
1st gripe is down to the day pass no longer existing
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I got an email yesterday about some kind of free account they're introducing, but I only glanced at it then and my webmail isn't loading now. I'll be back with info soon, promise.
― Hippocrates or wat!! (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
oh okay it was the already discussed Spotify Open. Nevrrrrrrmind.
― Hippocrates or wat!! (Merdeyeux), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link
no we did this the other saturday, 8th may i think, so it was still available at that time
― NI, Friday, 28 May 2010 11:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I did it that day too - it's been scrapped since, as discussed upthread.
http://www.spotify.com/int/get-spotify/day-pass/
― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Wanted to have a listen to a new release album today and it's greyed out with This is a Spotify Premium exclusive. It will later be made available in Spotify Free message. Considering I've paid for a Spotify Unlimited pass this month this irks me - wonder if it's yet another Sign of Things To Come.
― Bill A, Monday, 21 June 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey, since when did the iPhone app start scrobbling to last.fm? I've just noticed that you can now switch this on via the settings. ALL MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 2 July 2010 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, and the latest version of the iPhone app now has multi-tasking, if you've upgraded to iOS4.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 2 July 2010 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link
^ so awesome. Also works with the headphone buttons, the lock-screen double-tap controls and the swipe-left-on-switcher-bar controls.
― stet, Friday, 2 July 2010 10:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Think Farnborough fucking airshow and The Boy Who Trapped The Sun might have finally made me crack and move to Unlimited. Still worried I'll move from Free to Open if I cancel payments. Anyone done that yet?
― useless chamber, Monday, 19 July 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link
is this true? spotify works in USA now?
http://twitter.com/KellyeSue/status/19081467285
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
this person has protected their tweets
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
HOLYFUCKINGSHIT spotify works in the US now!!!!! My life just got 30% better.
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
hang on what
― Anti-Suggest Ban Order (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
WELCOME
Uhhh, it doesn't though?
― Sensational Howard (admrl), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
okay i asked KellyeSue how it's working and all I got was:
" I don't know how it's working.I just did an update, and then it started working again.I'm terrified it's going to stop working."
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought you were in the UK? afaik if you use it in the uk, you can use it for 2 weeks abroad.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 July 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― OK (LOLK), Thursday, 22 July 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link
ok any nerds know of a good proxy i can use to get spotify here in the land of the free?
― OK (LOLK), Thursday, 22 July 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
nevermind, why would i want to circumvent the very laws that protect my freedom
― OK (LOLK), Thursday, 22 July 2010 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link
for unlocking my UK account I use ivacy, since most of proxies I used to use stopped working and I wanted to have something reliable, bought 20GB of transfer for 13$ which is enough for me and my friends to have an eternity of unlocked spotify
― V79, Thursday, 22 July 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
this Lynx advert = please die, now
― BLACK METAL IST KRIIIIIIIEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGG (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
rip 'histoire de melody nelson'
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 26 August 2010 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I have gotten myself on the free version for a while, and that is sufficient for me, just to check out stuff I am curious about and whatever. Still stick to CDs for actual listening to fave music.
And I still wonder if Spotify will last, as in, will they actually make enough people want to pay for this to keep it going?
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 26 August 2010 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Serge Gainsbourg was driven from the interent solely by the awful doggerel of Sky Sports adverts.
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
God I want this in the USA!!
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:32 (fourteen years ago) link
awful doggerel of Sky Sports adverts.
p sure these are actually done by spotify to force you to get a pay-scubscriptch
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
rip 'veedon fleece'
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 26 August 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I bet more stuff disappears once it opens in the USA.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I miss the Sutopia ads. :(
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
'there you are in your perfectly nice little car' -- what a horribly formed advert
― i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Someone in Dylan's team has a sense of humour as the only CBS albums available are Empire Burlesque, Down In The Groove and Under a Red Sky.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
"We've tried a number of times but have been unable to renew your Spotify subscription. Unfortunately, this means that we're no longer able to continue your Spotify subscription."
Yeah well I had to cancel my credit card because of fraud, maybe if you'd emailed me earlier I could have rectified for you.
― ledge, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Like Friendster, it is probably doomed in the long run.
― Party with Your Poodle (u s steel), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed. It's a great way to check out new stuff I haven't heard right now, but I cannot see them making enough money to keep going.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link
No idea how they work out "related artists" but alongside Kraftwerk they have "Pet Shop Boys, Grace Jones, New Order, Radiohead, David Bowie, Morrissey, Talking Heads and Various Artists" :/
I get a couple of them but there's a dozen other's I'd put before that lot - wonder if it's a record company/marketing thing - like they'd rather I was tempted to buy something by an established popular artist than go off listening to Klaus Schulze all night.
― the reasonable one (onimo), Monday, 8 November 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
or fans of "The Model" probably likeed those other bands as well
― Gukbe, Monday, 8 November 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I was under the impression it was based on what users listened to, so spotify listeners to Kraftwerk listen to PSB, Grace Jones, New Order etc rather than Klaus Schulze, Neu, Amon Duul etc
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Monday, 8 November 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I read somewhere that is how they decide it, yes. Klaus Schultze is somewhat more "ambient" than Kraftwerk as well, so I don't know if they are that much more musically related to him than to, say, Pet Shop Boys or New Order
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Btw. this thread is just a little over two years old, and the thread topic title already looks extremely old. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going to kill that Brasso advert.
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 11:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Brasso? They not really doing much in the way of 'profiling' their user base, are they?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link
It's some sort of screen wipe thing, not the stuff you'd use for polishing your knobs.
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:03 (fourteen years ago) link
You'd think the knob polishers would sue.
― Smiley panda mixed moniker (7,4) (onimo), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Is there some sort of "off-line-spotifylookup", as I have it at home, am not going to install it at work, but would like to look up things?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link
It's usually decided by popularity, most music sites base suggestions on that. I'm sure it's not intentional, but it gives the impression you're sharing space with a bunch of teenagers just discovering 80s music. If you are the cold-blooded mature sort who favors Kraftwerk one would assume you have already embraced or rejected Morrissey or Talking Heads.
― like you really know who trisomie 21 is (u s steel), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah that's a massive problem with all recommendation systems - you used to get things like "You bought a Beatles album - check out these other 10 Beatles albums!" on Amazon but it's a bit better now. People are looking at how to predict diverse and unexpected recommendations but it's not a mature art yet.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going to kill that Brasso advert.― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 11:25 (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 11:25 (2 hours ago) Bookmark
Twice in the space of 10mins, never buying any of their fucking products...
― Neil S, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
pay the tenner a month (if you have an iphone)
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Or invest in a minidisc recorder and edit the ads out.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
You're going to need a hell of a sales pitch to get me to 'invest' in any more minidisc shite.
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The group’s revenues for 2009 were £11.32 million, but its cost of sales was £18.82 million, plus distribution costs of £608,711 and administrative expenses of £8.29 million.The result: an operating loss of £16.4 million for 2009 as a whole, and a net loss after taxation of £16.66 million
The result: an operating loss of £16.4 million for 2009 as a whole, and a net loss after taxation of £16.66 million
― James Mitchell, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Still, though: All the Kraftwerk albums!
― Mark G, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
all?
― koogs, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah.
Oh, OK, not all. Not the first three, or "Exceller-8" or "Elektro-Kinetic"....
― Mark G, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
what plans do the spotify bigwigs have to change that around? is this coming year going to make or break? surprised the major labels haven't clubbed together to create their own version yet, maybe in 2017 eh
― NI, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
surprised the major labels haven't clubbed together to create their own version
they pretty much have with Spotify - the labels have a huge chunk of equity.
― Lindsey Lohan is the new Extreme Noise Terror (onimo), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
They've changed the pricing structure for one thing (now there's a £5/month not-so-premium option), and they've capped the amount that new users can listen to for free each month. And it always feels like the ads are getting more annoying.
― seandalai, Monday, 22 November 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
pro tip #1: to mute adverts, press pause, lower volume, and press play again
pro tip #2: dub your spotify playlists onto cassettes, but be at the ready with your finger on the pause button of your tape deck for those adverts. afterwards you can just listen to your tape and not have any adverts, a proper mixtape, like the good old days.
― jumpskins, Monday, 22 November 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
or just pay 10 quid a month for no ads and the best iphone app there is
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I was grooving on this for a couple months til Spotify apparently clamped down on my US residence and I'm disabled from playing much anything. Might give it another try if I can find another IP-faker.
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
EMPHATIC CO-SIGN
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 08:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I would if I used it more than I do.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link
pro tip #23: dub your spotify playlists onto cassettes minidisc, but be at the ready with your finger on the pause button of your tape deck 'split tracks' button for those adverts . or afterwards. You can just listen to your tape it later and do it then, then go back and remove any tracks of 30 secs or thereabouts (check first in case they are short tracks for real. Then you will have a proper mixtape, and not have any adverts like the good old days.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Spotify to launch in US, sort of.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
TS: Tape vs. Minidisc, which of these two is most the outdated technology in 2010?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
the most outdated even
tapes ain't that outdated, they were hip just a moment ago (chillwave, witch house etc.)
― V79, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Fuck tape.
(on my iPhone that initially came out as 'faucet rape', fuck a Steve Jobs)
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
So Spotify on my laptop crashed and I had to uninstall and now it won't let me install again for free? Is this right?
― specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 29 November 2010 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Ahh, it seems so.
― specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 29 November 2010 10:55 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - do you have a link for this? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem...
That doesn't make sense - the Spotify client should be independent of your user account and your user account should be independent of any one computer or installation. E.g. I was able to download and install the official Linux client (which you need a subscription to use), I just couldn't log in until I paid up.
― seandalai, Monday, 29 November 2010 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Every time I tried to open spotify - windows would have some message (yes, Vista...) (often a different message) saying it couldn't open it, or it wasn't supported, or the pragramme has not opened properly and will now close. I tried to download an update but I just got into a loop of "you've already got it" or "it's already open". So I uninstalled it (and even then Windows wasn't happy). Went to d/l another freebie but it seems I need a code and/or money. It's a pity because it worked like a dream until to-day. Sigh.
― specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone with Spofity Premium here?
I am not on Spotify Premium yet, and I have also yet to have an mp3 player, but I do consider to do something about both. There are just a few things I am interested in facts about.
- I guess I will go for an iPod, but if I go for a different player, will the offline version of Spotify still work?- Perhaps the most important question is about adding mp3s not on Spotify to the playlist. I am aware this is possible on Spotify (even on the free version), but is it also possible to add mp3s from your mp3 player in the offline version or will non-Spotify songs only work on the online version of Spotify? This is rather important because Spotify is, after all, far from complete (Beatles, for starters....).
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 17 December 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
1) Spotify doesn't work on an iPod. You'll need an iPhone (which also works as an MP3 player through iTunes synching).
2) You can add non-Spotify songs to Spotify playlists on your computer. If you mark these playlists as "offline" on your iPhone, and if you have the iTunes integration options activated on both computer and phone (note that they aren't switched on by default), then the non-Spotify tracks will synch to your phone.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link
PS - you don't need to plug your phone into your computer for the non-Spotify tracks to synch - this will happen wirelessly.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 17 December 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
it does work on ipod touch afaik
― e.g. delete via naivete (ledge), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
But iPod touch is also a phone. I don't need a phone. Already got a Nokia.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 17 December 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, December 17, 2010 5:15 PM (1 minute ago)
iPod Touch is not also a phone
― markers, Friday, 17 December 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
a lot of ppl refer to the iPod Touch as the iPhone w/o the phone
― markers, Friday, 17 December 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I suppose the point is it needs a net connection, right? Checked and my Nokia is not available with Spotify. At least not yet.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 17 December 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know much about Spotify, but I do know you can get online on an iPod Touch via wifi
― markers, Friday, 17 December 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
It seems like iPod Touch is the thing. Looks like fancy tool after all. A bit expensive, but then, the alternative to Spotify for me would be to get an iPod Classic, which is even more expensive, and then spend a year or two, plus 3-4 external HDs, transferring my entire CD collection onto it.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 17 December 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait, an iPod Touch is also a phone but an iPod Classic is more expensive? Also, why is your enire CD collection not yet digitised? I threw out like 800 CDs recently because they're worse than useless.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 December 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously, get a high-capacity MP3 player, get an external hard drive, rip all your CDs at 256-320 kbps (you only have to do it once) and enjoy life. Everything I have ever owned is always with me and I've got backups at home.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 December 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait, an iPod Touch is also a phone but an iPod Classic is more expensive?
Here an iPod classic seems to cost around 200 NOK (roughly 35$) more than an iPod Touch (which is not a phone). Remember the iPod Classic is of very solid material, plus it has enormous capacity.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, I see what you mean. Per Gb though the Classic wins hands down.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Still a bit sceptic towards the idea of transforming a few thousand CDs into mp3 though. Would take some time....
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Which is why having Spotify on the player, and only adding the files not on Spotify, would save a considerably amount of time.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link
It takes time, but it's your music, you own it, it will never be taken away, and no ads.
Back in the day it took me several weeks to convert my music, but I didn't have music databases to autopopulate track names, and I had to burn all the MP3s to CD-Rs (part of what I chucked out recently was ~150 CD-Rs full of CD-to-MP3 rips). You don't have to worry about any of that now.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I know I'm evangelising, but really, it's a no-brainer imo.
This + same dilemma with vinyl = being a lazy fuck and only listening to Spotify or new stuff I download.
There must be millions of people in the world with yards of vinyl doing nothing but being part of a collection.
Somehow people opting for iPod/iPhone + Spotify over digitising what they already own saddens me, and it shouldn't really - ultimately the important thing is being able to hear the music - but I think what happens is the non-available-on-Spotify stuff gets forgotten.
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyway, Spotify is also worth it for, like, for instance, being able to have El De Barge's self titled solo debut on the player. It was deleted ages ago from all kinds of commercial purchase and I have also not been able in any possible way to find it on Pirate Bay or similar.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I hardly have any vinyl at all. It was all about casettes for me, but I rebought most of the ones I actually liked on CD.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link
but I think what happens is the non-available-on-Spotify stuff gets forgotten.
There is no danger of me ever forgetting about The Beatles or Pink Floyd. Or Travis for that matter. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
We'll always need someone to remember Travis.
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 12:20 (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Ah, yeah, you want a network connection for stuff like that.
onimo I've got four milk crates of vinyl under the stairs, no way am I ripping all of that. Completely reasonable.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
The concept of Arcade Fire is quite interesting. They are not available on commercial download nor Spotify, yet their album topped a lot of chart this summer. Or maybe exactly that was why? People had to buy the album, as the songs weren't available alone.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I see "reasonable" as "it's acceptable that I can't be arsed right now as there's things to do and loads on Spotify anyway" but a small part of me feels really bad that I've got boxes of 7" singles that haven't seen a turntable since they were in my last house 9 years ago.
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Then again how easy was it to click on the wee green button and cue up a wee drunken 10 Beefheart song playlist in memory? Greatness of spotify/youtube/grooveshark instant access right there.
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
xp yeah, I don't even know where my turntable is anymore. Only really hanging onto the vinyl because I loved it so much. CDs were always a bit cheap-looking and sad, and cassettes were disgusting savages.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
cassettes were disgusting savages
true but then for teenage me they were the gateway to everything I'd never heard and couldn't afford. I've still got 80's c90 playlists in my head from long lost tapes friends gave me to an extent that it's sometimes jarring when the wrong song comes on next when I play an old song on spotify.
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah yeah, I should draw a distinction between home dubs/mix tapes and pre-recorded dog turds.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Like my first ever introductions to e.g. Bauhaus or Big Black or Minutemen were on tapes friends made me - usually put together from piles of 7" or 12" singles or even from bits of tapes they had. These tapes got played to death so that in my head that's the order those songs should be in. It's strange to think my kids will never see/hear/treasure music in the same way (I'm sure they'll still love music but their voyages of discovery will be alien to me - much more alien than mine were to my dad's).
xp gettin all nostalgic :)
― Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
This is getting WAY off track now (and probably the most predictable cassette comment in history) but it was the most fun ever making mix tapes for friends because you had to pack it all into two collections of 44 minutes that started and ended well. Loved that.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I have no problem agreeing today, but for clumsy me, they were more solid than vinyl, and didn't break as easily. :)
I switched directly from tapes to CD in 87-88 though.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
One thing I don't miss is home splicing kits.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Tape salad. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
When I digitised my collection around 5 yeard ago, it was awesome! Just plonking down with a bunch of CDs, slowly going through and listening to all these CDs while by computer whirred away was an incredible way to find music that I'd forgotten about. 900 CDs will only take you a month or so, and it'll be great fun. I'm envious!
― 전승 Complete Victory (in Battle) (NotEnough), Saturday, 18 December 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm redigitising my collection at the moment, mainly because I've found that I can hear the difference between 128 and 320kbps, especially for reggae. I'm taking my time, not regarding it as a chore, and enjoying rediscovering some great music.
On the difference between 128 and 320 kbps, it's no so much on headphones - but through the computer speakers. Some reggae albums sound like a thin version of themselves on 128. They should put Autumn Almanac's words on the side of buses: There is probably no God...get a high-capacity MP3 player, get an external hard drive, rip all your CDs at 256-320 kbps (you only have to do it once) and enjoy life
― Bob Six, Saturday, 18 December 2010 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh and geir, knowing how much you like sound quality, try and rip your CDs in Lossless format (there's a setting in the preferences of iTunes to do it). It'll take up a lot more space, so check that you've got the hard disk for it (I'm guessing you'd be buying a new drive to put all this music on anyway). And being lossless, it'll be pristine CD quality, rather than losing some sound information. Some people can't hear the difference, others (lke myself) can, so if you've got a decent sound system or decent headphones, go lossless.
― 전승 Complete Victory (in Battle) (NotEnough), Saturday, 18 December 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
(when I say computer speakers, referring to harman kardon soundsticks btw)
― Bob Six, Saturday, 18 December 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
talking about the difference between 128 and 320 in 2010?! So there is a reason for all these shitty rips floating around then. :)
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 18 December 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I've living with them for far too long, sure. But for a variety of reasons I'm not into file-sharing, so haven't contaminated the delicate ear-drums of others.
― Bob Six, Saturday, 18 December 2010 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link
you're a disgusting savages.
― jumpskins, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I will be keeping the CDs for home use anyway, and through earphones, 256/320 doesn't make all that much difference from lossless. If I go lossless, even an iPod Classic will only have space for a small minority of the tracks I want to have in it.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually I have a bit of fear regarding 128. Spotify is already the most popular way of enjoying music legally these days, at least among the kids. So one can imagine a lot of people have already gotten more or less addicted to it.
Now, of course, the fact that people are addicted to Spotify would make it natural for them to exploit that to make more people actually pay for it. And, well, if that happens that is fine ($15 a month for almost all the music in the world isn't exactly a ripoff), but I fear the kids will continue preferring the free version even if they slowly make it less user-friendly. So, imagine Spotify moving the sound quality of their free version down to 128, and the kids still being content with that. Then you'll have a generation of music listeners who have grown up on REALLY horrible sound quality. I suppose they'll be as crazy as those 60-something who still refuse to listen to music in stereo....
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Another deal is those old 80s/early 90s CDs I have that are simply recorded much lower than today's CDs. Sure, actually this means better sound quality, as they are less compressed. But with the ear-protection limits on most of today's gear, those old tracks will sound way too tame. Those CDs sound just fine on my current portable CD, but I have understood that mp3 players usually have an even lower limit than portable CDs can have.
Of course the solution is always to use Audacity to turn up the sound of those lowly recorded mp3, so it's not like there is no solution.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Btw. I have just started with the long transfer job. Starting with stuff that is not available on Spotify. So nice to have those Beatles-tracks in my Spotify 60s year playlists where they belong. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't use spotify but I assumed it uses a low bitrate to stream. Anyway, even if people listen lossless, they might still be using budget equipment which isn't ideal for a lot of music. Due to the convenience culture there's already a generation of young people listening to mp3s of varying quality on audio equipment which is shit. The way we listen to music effects how we produce music and that really messes with me...How different music would be if everyone was listening to music on audiophile grade setups.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
A lot of recent music is definitely being mastered to sound good on mp3 players (i.e. heavily compressed), but my impression is that the dynamic range compression craze has calmed slightly down the past couple years compared to its peak around 2006-2007.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh, there's music from a few years ago that's so horribly compressed that it's actually hard to listen to. That whole compression thing was just bloody ridiculous.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
yuge collection
interNET connection
jonathan from spotify's verbal tics are infuriating
― One who would turn all to rodman (acoleuthic), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
subscribe
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
is kidbrooke village sited on or near that gloriously dystopian estate I've occasionally walked/driven past
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yknow with the matchstick and all
What thread was this revive meant to be on?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
really want someone to write a little plug-in that hooks up to spotify and lets you correct the track titles and artist credits they've ballsed up before scrobbling to last.fm
― idgi fridays (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Had to delete and re-install the app; it was constantly freezing on me, maybe due to the vast number of playlists (also kept forgetting and re-loading the newer ones). Seems OK again now, though.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:47 (1 hour ago)
have you not been using spotify of late
I mean, their adverts are presumably localised but you're even closer to Kidbrooke Village than I am so
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they are super-localised and are all 'well nobody's gonna move from the Cator Estate to Kidbrooke Village amirite'
me : matt dc :: kbp : autumn almanac
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't used Spotify for a while. On my computer it tends to stop working. Lots of things do.
So I haven't heard these adverts, though I went to school in Kidbrooke and now live, I suppose, half a mile from the Cator Estate.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Ahh right, sorry, I subscribed to Spotify a while back so am happily ad-free.
There's no such thing as Kidbrooke Village, yet. If it's what I think it is, it'll be built on the site of the Ferrier Estate which is probably the place you describe and is the single most desperate place I've seen in South London, possibly in London full stop.
Actually now I think about it 'Kidbrooke Village' might be some development in progress on the outskirts of that. It'll all be gone soon enough, and either full of yuppies or full of housing benefit claimants made involuntarily homeless and put in yuppy flats that no one wants to buy, as is happening in Woolwich.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
surely it will track u from ip?
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
'kidbrooke village' is like a parody of those optimistic estate agent inventions
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I think LJ, the Pinefox and myself are all within the catchment area for that but I'd imagine most of South London will get those ads.
Also, lol:
http://www.kidbrookekite.co.uk/2011/02/welcome-to-kidbrooke-village.html
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Mmmm, villagey
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, both those photos upthread are from nicohogg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/518770774_c3319da88b_b.jpg
he's def good at this
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
am v busy today, mebbe start a nicohogg/flaneur/london photography thread? dude is a hero
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they are super-localised and are all 'well nobody's gonna move from the Cator Estate to Kidbrooke Village amirite'me : matt dc :: kbp : autumn almanac
― Most women do not like atheism.(8)(9)(10) (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 10 February 2011 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Think someone should do a sitcom about MDC, ElJagz and The Pinefox sharing a flat in Kidbrooke Village.
― Stevie T, Thursday, 10 February 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
there will be buckfast
― nakhchivan, Friday, 11 February 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I just heard my first advert for Kidbrooke Village.
It's for London. For everybody.
Good luck to them.
This also means that spotify is working on my computer for a change.
― the pinefox, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Addick Amongst The Lilywhites (Hat Trick Productions, 2011)
― Michael Jones, Friday, 11 February 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
annie mac has one hell of an annoying voice
― this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Thursday, 3 March 2011 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a ploy to make you pay the tenner....
I offered to pay spotify 'all the moneys..' to make Annie Mac go away.
they only take £10 per month to do this, which is reasonable...
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
This Friday I will be talking to the Key Account Manager and the Sales Directors of Spotify in Spain in case you want me to ask them anything in particular.
― Moka, Monday, 7 March 2011 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Could you ask them "HI HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT JOINING THE POLICE FORCE?????"
― Mark G, Monday, 7 March 2011 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hi, I'm a copy of Davy Lately's classic Yellow Pages song hiding in one of the UK's thousands of independent record shops."
It's like Innocent Smoothies all over again.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 7 March 2011 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
That GoToMyMeeting ad on Spotify is unbearable as well. Just cheesy, clumsy, local radio level advertising.
― Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Monday, 7 March 2011 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Moka you could ask them; can they please sort all the faux/karaoke versions of songs somewhere away from the original versions? and why there are so damn many of them. i don't understand who on earth listens to such things.
also maybe ask if they are aware that Andy Williams' To You Sweetheart, Aloha has a bad case of fluff on it's needle. check it out! http://open.spotify.com/album/018i8iXSEKbGGJCyXW0XWj fluff starts at track 3 and gets worse on subsequent tracks, rendering the whole thing inaudible by about halfway in. someone at WORD magazine spotted this first.
― piscesx, Monday, 7 March 2011 11:20 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify is banned from our network @ work, so i can't check stuff, but my teenkid has it.when i ventured into his lair last week, i noticed that he was listening to deadmau5, and in the listing for the latest album was a single track that consisted of a 47 minute mix of the whole album.does such a track bypass the adverts, and if so, then surely spotify aren't going to be wanting such paractises when posting new albums ?
― mark e, Monday, 7 March 2011 11:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Ask why Stardust's "Music Sounds Better With You" still isn't on Spotify.
― Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Monday, 7 March 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link
and why there are so damn many of them. i don't understand who on earth listens to such things.
Nobody sits down to listen to them.. Some people's kids like to have instrumental versions so they can practice singing along with the lyrics they downloaded and printed off...
― Mark G, Monday, 7 March 2011 11:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I think this has to do with license availability. Sometimes it's very hard to pursue the rights to songs by well-known performers so I guess they just settle for cheap knock-offs from royalty-free music sites which respond more quickly and explicitly about their pricing.
― Moka, Monday, 7 March 2011 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll ask about fluff and errors on recordings (I'm very interested to know from where and how they get their songs... used to think they were user submitted?).
when i ventured into his lair last week, i noticed that he was listening to deadmau5, and in the listing for the latest album was a single track that consisted of a 47 minute mix of the whole album.does such a track bypass the adverts, and if so, then surely spotify aren't going to be wanting such paractises when posting new albums ?
At least for now, the adverts are only played after the track finishes... having a 45 minute mix song is surely a problem to them. A big part of the conversation I'll be having with them will be about their business model and advertising. I will let you know any fun facts I can extract from them.
― Moka, Monday, 7 March 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Moka, if you could please ask him how a company that has become so huge in a short space of time, contributing to the "this changes EVERYTHING" with regards to music consumerism etc., is not ashamed of itself for offering such a crappy, useless interface! Changing the order of playlists for one would be extremely useful, and doesn't seem like too much to ask for.
Also: a way to change incorrect spelling would be nice, since so much artist names and titles are wrong. It would also benefit them, because half of the online complaining about Spotify seems to be about this (and not without reason).
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 March 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah not too fond of the interface either, but as you said it's probably because they probably grew too fast too quick... I hope they will be releasing something better this year that they intend to enter the American market. I'll ask them about the possibilities of users correcting info and their plans in changing in interface.
Mmmm I think you can change the order of the playlists by moving them up and down in the left sidebar with your mouse.
― Moka, Monday, 7 March 2011 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link
better searching for albums too
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 7 March 2011 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah you can change the order of playlists i think
― just sayin, Monday, 7 March 2011 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Moka, could you ask them if there's any plans to store your listening history a la Last.fm? Currently it only stores what you have when your session is open.
In addition can you ask why some artist albums have the odd track missing?
― Obese Pony-hating Liberal (Billy Dods), Monday, 7 March 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
god yes that's annoying. you go to play an album but 1 or 2 tracks are sometimes missing, sometimes the missing tracks are available to buy via download.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 7 March 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
On playlist ordering: oh shi... sorry, it is indeed possible (now).
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 March 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i never spend much time with Spotify (even though I regularly use it for spinning single tracks that I can't be bother to download)
one thing I don't like is when you save an album in your favourites, it will display all the tracks. so if you have saved 10 albums in your favorites list, it is already a mess. bad for browsing, and it will not give you a sort of C:/albums in separate maps easy browsing experience, if you see what i mean
― Ludo, Monday, 7 March 2011 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Subfolders, I endorse that idea Ludo :)
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 March 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
You can put playlists into subfolders now. Not on the mobile client tho, which is annoying.
Spotify mobile is p buggy but i use it every day and still think it's great.
― oppet, Monday, 7 March 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but what is the point of doing a label search if you can still only browse some random top 50 results?
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 7 March 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
they need to fix album & label searches quick smart (and make it easier than what you need to do now as i cant even remember how to search for a label or an album)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 7 March 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
how difficult can it be to have an option in the search box to search for albums or labels
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 7 March 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2011/03/whatever_happened_to_mobile_mu.html
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 7 March 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
You can put playlists into subfolders now.
ah, will try later. thanks. :)
― Ludo, Monday, 7 March 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
One other thing if there's time, can they get the artist names sorted? Type in LFO or Suede for example you get all the material by artists who share that name, so instead of classic Warp techno you get a silky smooth boy band, or vice-versa.
― Obese Pony-hating Liberal (Billy Dods), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Are they working on any Genius-style recommendation systems? the "radio" is hilariously useless, as is the what's new.
― stet, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
How does the itunes/winamp gracenote thing actually work? Does gracenote have massive list of songs that go well with each other? In which case it shouldn't be too hard to pop into spotify.(not that I could do it,but you know.)
― Yossarian's sense of humour (NotEnough), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Where have Popol Vuh gone???
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Friday, 11 March 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a 2011 collaborative playlist I'm missing out on?
Seem to remember posting this exact same question upthread last year.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 13 March 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
This has been running a while. http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/1VYiyGaPHrDzTWeovieeAL
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Sunday, 13 March 2011 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link
weird and rubbish that spotify isn't yet available for blackberry. anyone know why this is and if it's set to change? as a result im thinking if getting this grooveshark thing instead. would anyone recommend it and how does it differ from spotify?
― NI, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Moka, ask them about how serious they are about their social sharing side of the interface.
its really cumbersome and currently will only search Facebook contacts.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
blokely.com? what?
― I *\m/* metal soooo much (history mayne), Sunday, 20 March 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
There's some banner ad on Spotify that my virus checker keeps telling me is trying to load Exploit:Win32/CVE-2010-1885.C, whatever that means.
― James Mitchell, Friday, 25 March 2011 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy days, all of Underworld's albums are available at long last.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I see Dylan's gone too
― Mark G, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I think he's been off for some time, apart from the dodgy out of copyright stuff.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The Lennon remastered albums were all put on then swiftly disappeared too.
The Smiths' Meat is Murder and The Queen is Dead are now up though, finally.
― Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Saturday, 9 April 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone care to speculate how the licensing works in the case of say REM, who's entire back catalogue of albums, reissues, deluxes and b sides collections is present and correct except one (Monster). what's going on there?
― piscesx, Saturday, 9 April 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i see the entire Suede back catalogue has vanished. probably because they want to shift a fair few copies of the upcoming reissued albums. can't blame them mind.
― piscesx, Saturday, 9 April 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Monster is on there.
Suede's back catalogue has been gone a while.
― Hippocratic Oaf (DavidM), Saturday, 9 April 2011 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
my bad it was UP i meant. it's weird innit.
― piscesx, Saturday, 9 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
was only a matter of time :
http://musically.com/blog/2011/04/14/spotify-cuts-back-free-service-10hrs-a-month-and-song-capping/
― mark e, Thursday, 14 April 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Does this still count if you're one of the original Spotify Free users?
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 14 April 2011 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
hope so. then it will stop my teenkid killing the bandwidth soakup in my house.
― mark e, Thursday, 14 April 2011 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Should read more closely:
The changes we’re having to make will mainly affect heavier Spotify Free and Open users
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 14 April 2011 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
What’s more, they’ll only be able to play individual tracks five times ever, before they are made greyed out and unplayable.
There's just no easy money to be made in this industry. Oh well, was a good thing while it lasted.
― Moka, Thursday, 14 April 2011 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
From a pesronal pov this sucks, but if it's what they need to do to make the service work then so be it.
― ridic beau (NickB), Thursday, 14 April 2011 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually if they can reassure Premium users that the service will remain the same and more music will be added in the long term I think I'd be willing to pay for it. If au contraire premium users end up seeing less artists and unavailable songs after a while then it will become progressively worthless. Spain still doesn't seem to have the 20 hour limit tho, so maybe we'll be lucky and we wont be seeing any of these changes just yet.
― Moka, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"What’s more, they’ll only be able to play individual tracks five times ever, before they are made greyed out and unplayable" ... "Spotify says the changes will mainly affect heavier free users, and claims the average user won’t see the limit on plays for seven out of 10 tracks."
This is an interesting idea on their part, I guess. I mean, I feel like people who will i. find this inconvenient enough to do something about it ii. start maintaining an mp3 collection or alt-tabbing to youtube all the time rather than paying £5/month ... these are people that, really, they're never going to convert to a paid account. But, also, it means the word-of-mouth goes from "you really should get Spotify" to "Spotify is kind of annoying."
― thomp, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, here is a quick question! there's a label which is greying out all tracks more than ten minutes long by, at least, Sonic Youth and Rush — I'm on Unlimited — can anyone on Premium tell me if that holds true?
― thomp, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
The question people need to ask that maybe they didn't have to before is: is it worth a tenner?
For me, the price of mobile Spotify and not having to faff around with 'alternative' online sources is well worth it.
― scotstvo, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems they're greyed out on premium as well.
― scotstvo, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, one playlist I had was based on the content of the "Factory Records" box set, and now around 30% of that one is greyed out, not necessarily based on length or famousness...
e.g. Transmission is alright, "Sketch for Summer" and "She's lost control" is gorn.
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Quick question: if I pay for Spotify premium, can I listen through my iPod touch?
― nate woolls, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes. Mostly. It won't run on first gen.
http://www.spotify.com/int/help/faq/mobile/mobile-ipod-touch/
― death, taxes and (onimo), Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Cool. That's a good enough reason for me to pay for it.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 14 April 2011 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
It is absolutely, 100% worth a tenner a month.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 April 2011 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been listening to it all day, every day in work for the last 9 months or so, so I've got no problem with a £10 a month
― nate woolls, Thursday, 14 April 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't listen to music at work (it's not a company policy, I just can't do it myself I'd just do nowt), so I do record stuff onto minidisc for the journeys.
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 April 2011 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link
whatdisc?
― VitaweatavegemiteGrrl (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 14 April 2011 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Co-sign, I'm as tight as two coats of paint, but this is an absolute bargain and if you have a suitable mobile or ipod touch even more so.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link
getting spotify on my mobile made an absolutely gigantic difference to the amount of music i discover week in week out. it's a bargain for the ten quid, plus the ads are a distant memory.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm on the five pound version 'cuz i don't have unlimited data on my mobile (dark ages, i know) but given i probably use it for around forty hours a week that seemed fair
someone started giving me an earful on supporting THE MAN rather than ARTISTS about it though
― thomp, Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
was on the 5 pound version until yesterday, new phone so might as well go with premium. can't understand why anyone would use the free version at all though.
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Because it's free?
Currently on the £5 version but when I get a new phone I'll probably upgrade.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
me too...bastards.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Would totally pay £15-20 a month for a super premium record club account if they picked out the album you listened to the most in the past month and sent you a copy on CD to keep.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Here is your monthly copy of Disintegration, loveSpotify Record ClubPS Change the fucking record son!"
― death, taxes and (onimo), Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely it's up to the ARTISTS to agree a better deal with THE MAN though?
― scotstvo, Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
exactly
― THE MAN (onimo), Thursday, 14 April 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2011/04/spotify_not_so_free_as_it_was.html
....But I'm hearing that Spotify had the move forced upon it by the record labels and the move reflects continuing tension between the fast-growing digital service and the music industry
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 14 April 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it's hard to feel hard-done-by about this. i pay more than a tenner for the use of about eight dvds a month, so getting a spotify subscriptch is a nob rainer.
― a random quote of mine abt a shitty rapper (history mayne), Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually this may actually be genius. Yes, some people are angry because nothing is completely free anymore, but a lot of people have grown addicted to Spotify and the monthly fee is actually not much compared to what people used to buy CDs for in the past. So this may well be the way for tomorrow's musicians to actually earn money from their work. Which I think they do actually deserve.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and no more blokely.com adverts hooray
― ridic beau (NickB), Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
until the £10 service gets some adverts and they want you to pay £20 to get no adverts and flacs streaming
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that would be very difficult for them to implement without losing a shit-ton of customers. Especially given there'll be other similar services on the market before long.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 April 2011 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
This all made the front page of the Metro today!
― Mark G, Friday, 15 April 2011 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I have premium and have it on the missus' & my phone, with both our laptops and the squeezeradio in the kitchen.
that's unlimited music on 5 devices in high quality .mp3 with no adverts or usage limits.
£10.
Can't complain when I have been known to drop £18 on an import CD when Tower Records used to regularly charge such a price.
still working out my "I love this on spotify, I'll buy it" vs. "I love this on spotify, I'll listen to it loads on spotify" threshold though.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Friday, 15 April 2011 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't have a fancy mobile so am probably just going the £5 route
though what is 'offline mode'? i was talking to someone about this and they claimed it meant they just had a shit-tonne of music files they could listen to. but that can't be right, surely they must all vanish when you unsubscribe?
― a random quote of mine abt a shitty rapper (history mayne), Friday, 15 April 2011 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, they're cached in the Spotify client/ app, then get deleted as and when you unsubscribe AFAIK. I wonder if anyone's cracked the app though?
― Neil S, Friday, 15 April 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Offline mode files disappear if you unsubscribe/don't log in for a month. You need it for mobiles cos you can't stream everything, but if you're only using an always online laptop I don't see the point.
It hasn't been cracked yet afaik. That would pretty much kill the service, surely.
Does non-premium spotify play local files too? That was such a good addition. I never switch out of Spotify for any listening now. £10 a month for this is stupidly good value.
― oppet, Friday, 15 April 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
is anyone's spotify sync for the iphone haywire as all hell of late? i can't get it to sync properly or save playlists offline, it's really annoying.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually hope the wee girl Amy dies
― Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I had that. Have had it for a while in fact. Friend of mine had a similar problem on Android and said logging out of everywhere you've got it installed, then logging back in works for him, but I'm still having problems.
xpost!
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
it's saving tracks now but SO SO SLOW
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder if deleting some playlists might help
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I deleted a lot and it didn't seem to make any difference to the new playlists I had in place.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Any of you guys even heard of Wimp? The thing is a Norwegian owned Spotify-copy. If I become premium, I might as well sign up for Wimp instead, as it seems to have a somewhat bigger selection of music (the main different being Norwegian titles - even Hongroe ;) - but it has the same general iTunes/Phonofile selection that Spotify does)
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify says hello to the iPodMay 4th, 2011At Spotify it's always been our mission to provide you with the best all-round music experience on the planet. For Spotify Premium subscribers, a huge part of that experience is taking your playlists with you wherever you go. However, for the rest of our users, listening to their favourite playlists on the move hasn't been possible.You've been telling us how much you love discovering, sharing and talking about music in Spotify - and you've created well over 200 million playlists to prove it. But you've also said you're listening to a huge amount of music on your iPods, and that getting your Spotify playlists onto them as MP3s has been a serious hassle, forcing you to juggle multiple music players. That's until now...As of today, Spotify is making it possible for everyone to take their playlists with them in one lean, green music machine.New features include:Manage your iPod in Spotify! For the first time, seamlessly manage any iPod classic, iPod nano and iPod shuffle in Spotify. Simply connect your iPod to your computer via your USB cable and watch it magically appear in the new 'Devices' section of your Spotify sidebar.Sync all the MP3s contained in your Spotify playlists to your iPod, and purchase the rest through...The all-new Spotify download service! Listening to the music you want to hear, wherever you want it, just got a whole lot simpler - and cheaper.Your playlists are special to you. You've spent untold hours putting together your own mix-tape masterpieces on your computer and want to take them with you, but without the trouble of having to buy each track separately, switching music players or breaking the bank? Then look no further.Spotify's new MP3 download service makes it possible to own your playlists in one easy step. By introducing a range of MP3 bundles, we've been able to offer you some of the most competitive prices available - from as little as 60 cents per song.Spotify Mobile app now available to all! iPod integration was your biggest request, but there are also a lot of Spotify Free users out there who are iPhone and Android phone owners. You asked for the ability to buy your MP3 playlists and sync to your phones. So we've got you covered too...As of today, everyone can download the Spotify Mobile iPhone & Android apps to wirelessly sync your MP3 playlists in Spotify from your computer to your phone. Fire up your mobile app and see your phone appear in the 'Devices' section of the Spotify sidebar, ready to rock and roll. No cables required! And did we mention it's now possible to wirelessly sync these playlists to your iPod touch?Now everyone can own their favourite Spotify playlists to take wherever they want. Heading out for a run or off on a trip? Buying the songs you want to hear has never been quicker, easier or more affordable.All new features will begin being rolled out to all users from today as part of an automatic update. Be sure to give us a spin!Daniel Ek, CEO & Founder of Spotify, says: "From today, Spotify really is the only music player you'll ever need. Our users don't want to have to switch between music players, but they do want to take their playlists with them wherever they go, on a wider range of devices, more simply and at a price they can afford. Now we've made that possible on one of the world's most popular consumer devices."Gustav Söderström, Chief Product Officer at Spotify, adds: "Accessing music on your mobile phone is the future, but today that makes up a pretty small percentage of music fans. We want to open up the Spotify experience to as many people as possible, and in a way where they can get exactly the music they want at a great price. Check it out – we really hope you like it."
At Spotify it's always been our mission to provide you with the best all-round music experience on the planet. For Spotify Premium subscribers, a huge part of that experience is taking your playlists with you wherever you go. However, for the rest of our users, listening to their favourite playlists on the move hasn't been possible.
You've been telling us how much you love discovering, sharing and talking about music in Spotify - and you've created well over 200 million playlists to prove it. But you've also said you're listening to a huge amount of music on your iPods, and that getting your Spotify playlists onto them as MP3s has been a serious hassle, forcing you to juggle multiple music players. That's until now...
As of today, Spotify is making it possible for everyone to take their playlists with them in one lean, green music machine.
New features include:
Manage your iPod in Spotify! For the first time, seamlessly manage any iPod classic, iPod nano and iPod shuffle in Spotify. Simply connect your iPod to your computer via your USB cable and watch it magically appear in the new 'Devices' section of your Spotify sidebar.Sync all the MP3s contained in your Spotify playlists to your iPod, and purchase the rest through...
The all-new Spotify download service! Listening to the music you want to hear, wherever you want it, just got a whole lot simpler - and cheaper.Your playlists are special to you. You've spent untold hours putting together your own mix-tape masterpieces on your computer and want to take them with you, but without the trouble of having to buy each track separately, switching music players or breaking the bank? Then look no further.
Spotify's new MP3 download service makes it possible to own your playlists in one easy step. By introducing a range of MP3 bundles, we've been able to offer you some of the most competitive prices available - from as little as 60 cents per song.
Spotify Mobile app now available to all! iPod integration was your biggest request, but there are also a lot of Spotify Free users out there who are iPhone and Android phone owners. You asked for the ability to buy your MP3 playlists and sync to your phones. So we've got you covered too...
As of today, everyone can download the Spotify Mobile iPhone & Android apps to wirelessly sync your MP3 playlists in Spotify from your computer to your phone. Fire up your mobile app and see your phone appear in the 'Devices' section of the Spotify sidebar, ready to rock and roll. No cables required! And did we mention it's now possible to wirelessly sync these playlists to your iPod touch?
Now everyone can own their favourite Spotify playlists to take wherever they want. Heading out for a run or off on a trip? Buying the songs you want to hear has never been quicker, easier or more affordable.
All new features will begin being rolled out to all users from today as part of an automatic update. Be sure to give us a spin!
Daniel Ek, CEO & Founder of Spotify, says: "From today, Spotify really is the only music player you'll ever need. Our users don't want to have to switch between music players, but they do want to take their playlists with them wherever they go, on a wider range of devices, more simply and at a price they can afford. Now we've made that possible on one of the world's most popular consumer devices."
Gustav Söderström, Chief Product Officer at Spotify, adds: "Accessing music on your mobile phone is the future, but today that makes up a pretty small percentage of music fans. We want to open up the Spotify experience to as many people as possible, and in a way where they can get exactly the music they want at a great price. Check it out – we really hope you like it."
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I am already more or less on the move to Wimp (which more of you may have heard of in a year or so, we'll see...)
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
wireless sync is such a obvious and sweet addition. why won't apple let me do that?
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 21 May 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
WSJ article (that's mostly behind a paywall) says Spotify has reached all the agreements it needs to launch in the U.S.—maybe as early as July!
― Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576378121661250848.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
wireless sync on android has gone completely fucked, as far as I can tell.
― oppet, Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Friend of mine was having that problem - said he logged out from all devices he was logged in on, then logged back in. Then it worked ok. Probably not as simple as that, probably something you've already tried, might be worth a go if you haven't.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 13 June 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Another Android/Spotify trick when mine went haywire (every time I started Spotify the phone would make the memory card read-only): delete or rename the "spotify2" folder on the card. You lose the offline tracks currently stored, but that's the only drawback.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify on iphone4 is a real joy at the mo
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
make it easier to browse / search / organise playlists though please
like an alphabetical option with the alphabet thing on the side for quick scrolling
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
More on Spotify US launch, expected in early July:
http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2011/06/the_800lb_goril_1.php
― Lee626, Saturday, 18 June 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
this is great news, here are some more details and a better article:http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-spotify-20110618,0,80370.story
Although the stepped-up competition will make things harder for Spotify, the company is still expected to attract millions of users in the U.S. — largely because it gives new users free, unlimited access to any song from a catalog of about 13 million titles for six months. After that, users are capped at 10 hours of listening a month and a maximum of five plays for any single track. The limits are designed to encourage users to pay a monthly fee for the all-you-can-listen buffet.Most subscription music services in this country allow only a few days or weeks for a free trial period. After that, most charge $5 to $15 a month for on-demand access to music.But there are other ways consumers can listen to music. Personalized Internet radio services such as Pandora and Slacker have become increasingly popular. Although users can't choose exactly which song or album they get to hear next, they're able to tune in for free. Pandora has 34 million users who have tuned in to its service at least once in the last month. Slacker has more than 5 million active listeners."About 80% of all music consumption is radio," said Tim Westergren, a Pandora founder. "Spotify operates in that 20% category."
Most subscription music services in this country allow only a few days or weeks for a free trial period. After that, most charge $5 to $15 a month for on-demand access to music.
But there are other ways consumers can listen to music. Personalized Internet radio services such as Pandora and Slacker have become increasingly popular. Although users can't choose exactly which song or album they get to hear next, they're able to tune in for free. Pandora has 34 million users who have tuned in to its service at least once in the last month. Slacker has more than 5 million active listeners.
"About 80% of all music consumption is radio," said Tim Westergren, a Pandora founder. "Spotify operates in that 20% category."
― Bee OK, Saturday, 18 June 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
MOG is going to have a hard time competing against this.
― akm, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
poor mog
http://images.harpercollins.co.uk/hcwebimages/HCCOVERS/017700/017732-FC222.jpg
― i love the smell of facepalm in the morning (ledge), Sunday, 19 June 2011 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy days, all Kate Bush's albums are now available. Don't know if they're remastered as it says 2011, will have to do some investigating.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 June 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I might finally listen to Lionheart, omg.
Once Spotify has its iPhone app up and running in the US I'd expect it to clean up.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.spotify.com/int/coming-to-the-us/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Signed up for an invite already :)
― Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Thursday, 7 July 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/07/spotify-buttons-up-deals-with-warner-launches-music-service-in-the-us-.html
Spotify, a popular European music service with ambitions to dominate the U.S. digital music market, said it has buttoned up the necessary licenses with major record labels to launch its service in America on Thursday...
Spotify's offerings will be largely similar to what it has in Europe, namely a free service supported by advertising and two premium tiers that let users listen without ads on computers and on mobile devices.
The free tier will let new users listen to the company's catalog of more than 15 million songs from a computer connection for six months. After that, users will be capped at 10 hours a month and up to five spins for any particular song.
"You can still discover as much music as you want up to your heart’s content" even with the limits, said Ken Parks, Spotify's chief content officer and managing director of the company's North American business.
Subscribers who pay $4.99 a month can access the service without ads or limitations from a computer connection. A $9.99 tier also lets users listen to the service from a smart phone such as an iPhone, Android, Palm or Windows 7 device.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 14 July 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep it's official - US launch is today at 8:00am EST. $9.99 tier will also have higher bit rates.
― Lee626, Thursday, 14 July 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Hopefully they have similar track selection to the UK and an identical policy about using abroad. I've been using the UK version in the US, but would be happy to switch from paying in £s to $s.
― toby, Thursday, 14 July 2011 10:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Interested. I still can't stand the name or look of it. I suppose I should judge by the catalog but if the experience doesn't appeal to me, I'll bail. Good thing you can try it for free.
― Mount Cleaners, Thursday, 14 July 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
can't recommend it enough. it's changed the way people listen to music over here much more than anything like Napster or any P2P thing or whatever and in many different ways that i would never have imagined when it launched.
― piscesx, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to gold cobra as my inaugural stream
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
current users can invite ppl, right? that's what CNN claims
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost -- Read that as 'inaugural steam'
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― piscesx, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:24 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i feel like this is hyperbole tbh
― thomp, Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Nope, it's perfectly true.
xxxpost If this is true then if anyone wants an invite drop me a line at billy (dot) dods (at) gmail.com and I'll try to help.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy to send invites to people if you give me yr email, dunno if my UK invites will work for you though
ha xp
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm the UK invite didn't get me into the free tier so I created a pay account anyway, lol
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
was gonna advise you skip the free stage anyway. get it on your iphone and never look back.
― Upt0eleven, Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
It's worth it imo, the free 10 hours just whizzes by
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Ed, check your email again.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
no but seriously, an entire generation already stopped buying cds
technologies that had more impact, probably in order:
the ipod; youtube; itunes; first-and-second-gen p2p
― thomp, Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm in thx mang
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify is on the same importance level as those things imo, and it beats them all from a useability pov
― Dear Projectionist (blueski), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
At least for now, you can get an invite just by giving Spotify your email address (which I did earlier when they were advertising the impending US launch) but I still haven't heard from them. Do they respond faster if the invite comes from a current Spotify user, and can that be from someone in the UK/Europe?
― Lee626, Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
try this link https://www.spotify.com/redirect/get-open/rec-en/
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify at least changed the way people dj at parties
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the only way you can in right now is if a current user sends you an invitation code/token
not sure of the cross-continent invites?
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
my cross-continent invite had no token in it, but that's okay because I = $$$$$
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
holy hell, one of my college choirs is on Spotify back when I was in it
http://open.spotify.com/album/7zlm5UZLKrrZDEkyZsGSds
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp yeah the djing at parties thing is key; any home with a laptop or PC now has an instant mahoosive record collection. the idea that previously at a house party with no official DJ, people just randomly played records or CDs or ipods or their own mp3s or whatever suddenly, recently started to seem a very old fashioned concept indeed. making a playlist in advance that people can then edit/add *almost anything they want to* just seems like the best thing ever.
― piscesx, Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait I guess billy's in the UK so intercontinental invites work
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been anticipating this for a few years. I keep putting my e-mail in the pool but nothing has come up yet.
― Breezy Summer Jam (MintIce), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
still waiting for this to launch in Ireland
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
banished by st patrick iirc
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 14 July 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
So I'm guessing by being away from internet all morning means I'm already too late to get an invite?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, so far, I like google+ a whole lot more than Spotify because, well, I can actually fucking use it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
jon try the link i posted upthread
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, I'll give that a shot, looks promising!
I'm 99% sure I'm going to end up paying for this, but I want to give it a test run first before I decide to do so.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
don't bother, it's only $5 for the lower tier
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Bee OK, Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:52 PM Bookmark
So let me get this straight -- I pay $10 a month and I can listen to whatever the fuck I want as much as I want?
― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
you can that with the $5 subscription too
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
$10 adds "on whatever you want"
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
* head tries to explode but is too confused to explode *
― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
So why does Pandora even exist, exactly?
What's the selection going to be like in the US -- are there lots of limitations?
― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
because you couldn't get Spotify in the US until today
re: selection, I couldn't find "Hot With Fleas" by Severed Heads on it; so far that has been my only disappointment
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
jon, if the link doesn't work, drop me a line at the address upthread and I'll send you an invite.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the hardest thing to believe since I first found out a woman would sleep with me.
― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm really trying not to get over excited here because this seems way too good to be true. My fear is that will be awesome for the first couple of months, then labels will start freaking out and pulling their catalogs.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
lol hurting
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I found dope body's new album out there, between that and dan's college choir it seems pretty comprehensive
billy says there are voice ads on the UK service but all I've had are popup image ads, all for terrible musicians
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Or they'll jack the price way up, more likely imo. I just don't see the economics of this making sense for labels in the long run with free, $5 and $10 subscriptions. I mean I still exchange some money for music sometimes, and with something like this I don't think I would do much of that anymore. (xpost)
― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
That's interesting. I was curious whether the US catalogue matched the European one. It must be different as that track is available in the UK. Presumably it's a licensing issue.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I should specify that I meant the original "Hot With Fleas" off of Bad Mood Guy, not the extended remix on Commerz
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's the one on Commerz which I can see.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
There are definitely some differences, e.g. about 20% of the ILM Pet Shop Boys top 50 playlist is missing (it looks like Behaviour isn't there at all?!). Comparing my playlists from the UK version it seems that a little under 10% of each is missing.
― toby, Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
just signed up for the $5 version. It seems pretty cool so far, especially for checking out new stuff. Some of the older stuff I've searched for hasn't shown up.
I'm not sure if I could switch to this entirely from itunes though. It seems like the playlist organization is a little fiddly. Maybe I'll get used to it.
I wish it had better ways to browse and find related stuff you might like. That aspect of it seems really weak. I've tried to search by label using label: but it doesn't seem to work. There should be more prominent genre tags, recommendations, etc.
I can't even figure out how to make the search window bigger. Like if I search by genre I see about 10 titles and then a ... and there's no way to see more?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish it had better ways to browse and find related stuff you might like.
otm. there is the 'related artists' tab, but that seems a little hit & miss.
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, I didn't see the tab. I only saw the tiny summary and was wondering why you couldn't see more.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah, still pretty weak
One huge pisser for me was that they took off the entire ECM catalogue a couple of months back. Perfect work music too.
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish they had charts by genre too
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep. It's weird - when I'm confronted by this vast store of music I find it really hard to think what I want to listen to. It's some kind of musical snowblindness.
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I am currently listening to a Son of Bazerk album. From 2010.
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
no ecm = no king crimson, bummer
however I did listen to jorge ben's o bidu silencio no brooklin and scissor girls' we people space with phantoms today
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
like the fact that they have bonus and comp tracks on the artist page.
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure these have been linked upthread, but I've found these the most useful spotify sites:
http://www.pansentient.com/ - Unofficial spotify blog
http://www.spotiseek.com/ - creates random playlists based on an artist you like
http://pitchify.com/ - links to latest well reviewed albums
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
def will need an unlimited data plan if you use this on your mobile
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
apple must be sh1tting their pants about now
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they can clean up with all the money they make from ipads + iphones
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Steve Martin's 70s stand up albums
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta go listen to cruel shoes brb
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, unless you synch your playlists via wifi to listen offline.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Three weeks from now Jobs announces that all "hot" singles on iTunes are $2.99.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Lots of rdio stans saying Spotify doesn't come close, but it's US only so I can't tell if they're full of crap or not.
― stet, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of annoying how if you add a bunch of albums to a playlist for a particular artist, there's no way to automatically reorder them by year
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I wish there was a way of managing your playlists through the same webpages that you can use to edit your account (ie through clicking on your username).
Dan, I hope you've got scrobbling switched on?
― dog latrine (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been using Spotify for a while since I live in Europe a bunch of the time, but now I'm in the USA for a while & happy to see that my Euro account works here too, with all the same playlists I had.
― Euler, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Scrobbling is blocked for me atm, don't know why
gonna take my work laptop home and see if I can enable it there
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
So can American users see this full list of the 50s ILM tracks poll?http://open.spotify.com/user/nstewart/playlist/4IKcWqGQQ5cN1QTT0ya7xo
― Neil S, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― duke of irl (Edward III), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Hooray God Bless America!
― Neil S, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks Neil!
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.tedhickman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/crying-eagle-98.gif
― Neil S, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
haha my audio ads are in English but my written ads are in French
― Euler, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
can't find cruel shoes, but let's get small is there.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
doh, it's on the Rhino comp
http://open.spotify.com/track/2qD4zVWSL9xpgTDC7sHRzY
I see it here
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
totally worth the wait
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 14 July 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
So what's better, this or MOG?
― calstars, Thursday, 14 July 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, diamonddave, I couldn't get that link to work either, just keeps asking for my invite code.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I love that this thing scrobbles without having to have a separate app open
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 15 July 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder how long before they send out more invites.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
BTW what makes this superior to Rhapsody?
― didn't even have to use my akai (Hurting 2), Friday, 15 July 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Design? $5 vs. $9? Does Rhapsody have an app or is it browser only?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 15 July 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Seriously, how the fuck do so many people have this?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't checked this out yet, so i'm not sure, but if you sign up for one of the paying things instead of just giving them your email address, i think they let you right in
― markers, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe, but according to what I've read they'll just "bump you ahead in the queue", but you still have to wait at this point. I don't know, I'm getting to the point where I don't want to give them my money out of spite. Fuck this, "oh wow we have a great new service but we're going to get all cute and coy about actually sending out invites".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I understand its all about "building buzz", but its annoying as all hell to watch people rave about something you can't even use.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, and apparently we can blame this company Klout. They've partnered with Spotify for this launch and are favoring their Klout Perks members with invites right now.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe, but according to what I've read they'll just "bump you ahead in the queue", but you still have to wait at this point.
didn't hear this, but if it's true that's eh
― markers, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I could be wrong about that, its something I read on a blog. Any of you ilxors that have paid for it in the last few hours can attest to that?
Also, apparently the invites that come after today's batch will have more restrictions.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
the front page of their site literally says
Don’t want to wait for an invitation? Jump the queue by signing up for Spotify Premium or Unlimited, starting at just $4.99/month.
"[j]ump the queue" is ambiguous though
― markers, Friday, 15 July 2011 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, I just paid the $5 out of curiosity and I got right in
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 15 July 2011 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the invites are only for the free which doesn't really interest me anyway because I don't want to listen to ads
thanking u -- might do the same
― markers, Friday, 15 July 2011 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I have some invites left if anyone wants one. I just need an email address.
― Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 15 July 2011 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Wondering how long it will take until they manage to actually include an alphabetical sorting option in the Android client.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 July 2011 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
one thing i find funny is the division between people i know irl into the two camps of YOU PAY FIVE POUNDS A MONTH FOR UNLIMITED STREAMING MUSIC? YOU'VE GIVING MONEY TO THEM? FOR THAT? FIVE POUNDS? and people who go 'eh'
― thomp, Friday, 15 July 2011 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link
IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN NOTHING! AT LEAST I KEEP MY MUSIC etc etc snore
― stet, Friday, 15 July 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
This is wrong. You get to use it immediately.
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, the blog I was reading (which I can't seem to find now despite my googling) said he paid the $5 option but still had to wait almost 8 hours to get his invite code.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely the option to carry with you your offline playlists on your mobile phone is not worth paying for? Or maybe those people want to listen online and pay their mobile provider instead of paying Spotify?
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
WELCOME AMERICANS
Remember on Spotify one track is referred to informally as "a nine-fellow", eg "I just added a 'nine-fellow'" to my playlist. However playlists are known as "Sir Alfred Rogetsons".
― LocalGarda, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, it's a download at the end of the day. (xpost)
― Mark G, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought they used to refer to them as Volvos or Smorgasbord.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Judging by all of the celebrities giving away invites on their Twitter feeds, this is obviously all part of building the buzz. I'm guessing they won't be releasing more today, as they said yesterday.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
This is what happened to me:
- I received an invite from the indomitable Billy Dobs.- I clicked the link and was presented with the three choices. I clicked "Free" and it asked me for a code I didn't have and which wasn't attached to the URL.- I spent 5 seconds going "hmmm" then clicked the $5 plan.- I filled out all the info and got an email receipt in seconds.- I downloaded Spotify and started jamming.
There was no invite code involved, ever.
I later invited my brother, who forwarded me the confirmation email to verify I'd sent him the invite; the URL he got in his invite had a token in it that unlocked the free plan.
I suspect one of the following:- The invite I got from the UK circumvented whatever invite logic this blog person ran into.- The blog you were checking was written by an idiot.
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Jon, I and at least two others have offered invites since yesterday. If you're after one email me at billy dot dods at gmail dot com.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
TBH I think I screwed up with Dan as I didn't realise I had to click the send invite code until later, worked ok for Edward III and Lee a bit later.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
- The blog you were checking was written by an idiot.
I think this is the answer. Thanks for your explanation.
Thanks Billy, I'll send you an email!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
haha the risks of being an early adopter
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, Dan's got loads of $$$$ so he said.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
this is true
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I am "makin' it rain" as I type this
still too cheap to go for the mobile option tho :)
― Upt0eleven, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahaha okay, apparently these are being used as bargaining chips at my wife's work. She's gotten three emails from coworkers offering her invites if she takes on their work. Lol
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/track/53GiTuzum9IO2twolxwjoe
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i prob have a few invites i'd say, since i pay for it. will check and offer them forth if so.
― LocalGarda, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
That's for Dan btw
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Seriously all you ask for is a dime?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a cheap date.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I can probably inviteroo too.
― Samantha Mumbahton (seandalai), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I checked to see if I could share the love but the create invite button is disabled for me
― duke of irl (Edward III), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Quick question: How is this different from Grooveshark exactly?
― jaymc, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Its legal, thats the biggest thing. And the content is provided by the labels, not users.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
So, presumably, a better chance of finding full albums, proper tags, etc.?
― jaymc, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Can someone send me a spotify invite? I don't know anybody in real life? (Probably not true. I might know some people at work who would have this, but I'm not at work.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I just figured out how to do invites (I am such a dunce) so if anyone needs an invite to spotify+ (spotify plus) then drop me a ILX email and I'll get on it asap.
― hand me the banana of shame (NotEnough), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Rudi, I need an actual email addy to send otherwise it won't work.
― hand me the banana of shame (NotEnough), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay will send to your ilx mail.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm enjoying this.
― Jeff, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/7EF2O62k968mWNwsp7aLNf
My first playlist! Created by me just searching random bands and throwing a song onto a playlist.
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
This isn't a ruse to get us to listen to your choir just so you can rack up some more $$$$ is it?
― ever feel like you're an ilmposter? (NickB), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd be happy to share some invites with you noobs, just drop your mail in my ilx mail
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, I thought about throwing a track off of that on there but decided to go the indie route instead
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, sent.
― hand me the banana of shame (NotEnough), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I still got no invites to give out but here's where you can check on the spotify site
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/spotifyinvite.jpg
― duke of irl (Edward III), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― sonderangerbot, Friday, July 15, 2011 10:14 AM (7 minutes ago)
cool, sent a pretty-please
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
WmC, you're in http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
DJP, i am enjoying ur playlist v much.
I have also discovered that I have a whopping 12 invitations going spare.
― Upt0eleven, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
E-mailed you, sonderangerbot.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks for the invitation, I am now listening to the 50s playlist.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Cool, thanking u, sonderangerbot!
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Is 'All Eternals Deck' available in the US as it's not in the UK?
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
It is! That is very sad it's not available in the UK ;_;
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Strange, because several other MG albums are available including 'LOTWTC'. Will have to get JD's people to speak to our people.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
If you're okay with signing up for a third-party thing (which you can immediately UN sign up for), you can get a free code: http://klout.com/perk/Spotify/SpotifyFreeAccounts
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It's saying the next song will play after a commercial message, but there is no commercial message. Some kinks to deal with here.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanx a million, sonderangerbot!
― jaymc, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks to DJP's playlist, I've now heard ICP for the first time.
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh crazy, this is importing all of my iTunes files.
― jaymc, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Is thanks really the right word?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe not...
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Mil gracias?
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The absence of Sub Pop releases on this is bugging me. Rdio has Sup Pop, but is missing other things that (for me) are major gaps. Mog and Rhapsody seemed to have decent libraries (maybe not quite as expansive) but I found the user experience to be quite painful. Basically, I'd be willing to give somebody money for the ability to consume music this way on an ongoing basis, but no one has quite hit the mark.
― fffv, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
And no web app whatsoever on Spotify makes no sense to me.
― fffv, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I was wondering how ppl would react to that song
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man, which ICP song?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hey Vato" off of one of the Forgotten Freshness comps
In retrospect, I should have picked a Ringmaster track but hey
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone explain the point of the iphone app if you don't have the premium subscription? i synced some playlists but when i try and click them it says that it's for premium members only
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Better than saying it's for Closers.
― Mark G, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
there is no point to the iPhone app if you don't have the premium subscription
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
but the point of the premium subscription is the iphone app. do it. (i have been labouring this but point but i love them do not work for them just fyi)
― Upt0eleven, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
mookie &,jon, sent invites your way. don't blame me when you end up listening to ICP.
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it only imported 18GB out of 100+gb from my itunes library. Is there a limit?
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks sonderangerbot! i actually only signed up to listen to ppl's playlists, so i guess i've got ICP coming
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't put any ICP on this one... YET
http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/2JSosmzA72ClTGzNryqTa8
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone else besides sonderangerbot got invites? (don't want to bog him down with too many requests)
― dayo, Friday, 15 July 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
This Spotify invites thing is so 2009.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ø snap
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 July 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems to me the invites thing is about as much creating a buzz as managing the take up by new users.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Got one dayo if you want. DM if you still need one. Got a few in fact, if anyone else wants one.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a Spotify playlist for the ilx all-time jazz albums nominations.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't look like Spotify will be sending out free ones anytime soon, I see now on their website that you can start "winning" invites next week.
Thanks for the invite sonderangerbot!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks gamaliel!
― dayo, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
argh, no gapless playback. annoying
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a free rider only in it for ppl's playlists
and the ads they insert after every few tracks are alarming/hilarious
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm in. Wow, this really does look fantastic for basic research and taste development! They've got that Country Mice album I was curious about.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks for the Spotify invite, GamalielRatsey. (I assume it was you that sent me the invite.) Played with it a little bit so far. A lot to explore here.
― Louche Affect (KMS), Saturday, 16 July 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting comparison between USand UK versions ..
http://pansentient.com/2011/07/spotify-usa-vs-spotify-uk/
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Saturday, 16 July 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
:( Canada.
― THIS IS SATIRE BTW (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 July 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone having this problem where you'll double click on a song to play and it just sits there? skipping to the next track usually works, but dammit i wanna hear that song!!
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Saturday, 16 July 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
from what i gather it lets you do an (hopefully ota) sync of your own music that youve added to the desktop player but not access spotify library. this would be a cool enough feature actually but i haven't tried it. been waiting for mediamonkey to come up with wireless sync option for awhile, most of the android apps that do it only work with itunes.
having fun imagining frank grimes style meltdowns at rhapsody headquarters right now. this is so unfarrrr!!!
― tremendoid, Sunday, 17 July 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a plug in or something that will produce a radio station like Pandora?
― calstars, Sunday, 17 July 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
decided to put my emusic account on hold and try the $5 version of this. i feel bad because for years i was like "rhapsody? what a terrible idea" but now the idea of non-committal browsing seems great.
― reddening, Sunday, 17 July 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i think having an emusic balance of 58 cents finally broke me, like i'm sure there was a perfect single for 49 cents out there but damned if i was going to spend another ten minutes looking for it.
― reddening, Sunday, 17 July 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone who has used MOG able to make an apt comparison between the two?
― akm, Sunday, 17 July 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
“Companies with tremendous resources have come and gone, but Rhapsody’s focus on building long-term value is what has set us apart and contributed to our longevity. Consumers love the ability to listen to any song, as often as they like, in any order, anywhere on any device. The more they embrace a true on-demand experience, the more they will become aware of the shackles of free music services.”
...or they'll pay for spotify premium and be able to access a larger library...on 3 mobiles instead of one...for less money. not really rhapsody's fault as far as the contracts they're stuck in but dude...
― tremendoid, Sunday, 17 July 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
could be rhapsody's fault wth do i know. refreshing the desktop client after 10 yrs would have garnered some loyalty maybe i dunno
― tremendoid, Sunday, 17 July 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently this works http://www.spotify.com/us/coca-cola/
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Sunday, 17 July 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
so why do some tracks on spotify not work at all? i double click and nothing plays!
― max, Sunday, 17 July 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
todd terje's "eurodans" and prince's "why you wanna treat me so bad" both don't work in case someone else in the US wants to check their spotify
― max, Sunday, 17 July 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also how do i get an invitation? do i have to use spotify a lot or something
think you have to pay for it a lot at least
― sonderangerbot, Sunday, 17 July 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I know Rhapsody is $5 more, but are there any other differences? I've found about 98% of what I was searching for on Rhapsody, so having a bigger library's not that big a deal for me. I would be interested to listen to see if their droid app streams the songs better; Rhapsody's droid app, at least on my phone, sounds flat.
― musicfanatic, Sunday, 17 July 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I would also like to know this.I put my emusic account on hold a few months ago and signed up for the $10/month MOG plan with unlimited downloads to a mobile device. Every so often the MOG android app can be a little buggy, but the new desktop player has a really good interface. The library is large as well. Can anybody give me a reason to switch to Spotify? The plans seem pretty much the same on a cursory glance.
― Professor Respect, Sunday, 17 July 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:21 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
both of these work for me
I figured out that the songs in dark gray are from your own library
― dayo, Sunday, 17 July 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
this is so much better than finding songs on youtube
― dayo, Sunday, 17 July 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Friend has MOG and likes their radio station option based on artists you like. Selection is supposed to be similar though Spoitfy reportedly has the edge at the moment and will probably increase its dominance as there seems to be minimal buzz about MOG, which has already been out for awhile now.
― calstars, Sunday, 17 July 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose you US users don't get to hear Universal tracks longer than 10 minutes either?
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 17 July 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Just noticed that. Do you know why that is?
― timellison, Monday, 18 July 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
It's annoying when you're trying to listen to Jack Kerouac!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 18 July 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Does that 10 minute limit go away if you pay for it? That might be a strike against coughing up the money if not.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 18 July 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't, but I think Geir was suggesting it's only UMG stuff?
― timellison, Monday, 18 July 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i just joined
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Monday, 18 July 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
really enjoying spotify
― buzza, Monday, 18 July 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
So does the offline mode let you download tracks off of spotify to your phone even if you don't own those tracks?
― Moodles, Monday, 18 July 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, but only if you have a premium sub. If you stop the sub, you'll lose the ability to listen offline.
Apparently the 10 minute track thing is a licensing issue with Universal Music group, but has been ongoing for several months. Is it the same in the US. Not great if you want to listen to The Orb for example.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 18 July 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
UMG people claim it is a technical bug, but don't seem to hurry correcting it.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
And, not it's not only UMG, but when Mike Oldfield only allows Spotify customers to listen to the short bonus tracks from his reissues 70s albums, that is more a matter of actually will from the artist side than a technical bug.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 09:02 (thirteen years ago) link
And, not it's not only UMG, but when Mike Oldfield only allows Spotify customers to listen to the short bonus tracks from his reissues 70s albums, that is more a matter of actually will from the artist side than a technical bug mercy.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 18 July 2011 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 18 July 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I added a bunch of playlists from other people to Spotify on my laptop at home. I'm logged in on my work computer now and I don't see any of the playlists I subscribed to. Anybody know why or what I can do to get those playlists on this computer?
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 18 July 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i can see on mine that youre subscribed to loads via your public profile
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
mr pitchfork 500 fan
For the people asking how this compares to Mog, Rdio, Rhapsody, etc. I'd say that if you are using one of those services and you like it, there aren't any massive reasons that I have found to switch to Spotify Paid.
I've used them all and have liked Rdio best due to the excellent web interface and related music discovery tools, but I've also been frequently annoyed by gaps in the library. From what I can remember the Mog, Rhapsody, and Spotify libraries are comparable, but I personally hated the UI on both Rhapsody and Mog (the Mog iPhone app is actually quite nice, and maybe they've improved the desktop). I'm sure that I'm a small minority, but the fact that Rhapsody doesn't scrobble natively (Rdio, Mog, and Spotify all do) was a major con.
For the immediate future I think I'll pay for Rdio and use Spotify Free to handle the library gaps, but Spotify improves more rapidly (and this seems likely to me) I'll eventually switch.
― fffv, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Facebook integration and library/playlist sync on Spotify are good ideas, but I'm not in love with them in terms of execution. Playlist sharing on Spotify is also awesome, but this is more due to the number of users than superior execution.
― fffv, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
when I interviewed at MOG two years ago they said they had arranged some incredibly cheap deal with all the major labels. MOG is a really small company so I think their margin is very small which probably bodes well for their continued existence. It's kind of weird how much PR Spotify has gotten since MOG has been here doing essentially the same thing.
― akm, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
almost the entire todd terje discography doesn't work for me, along with many other tracks. Hopefully this is a temporary glitch.
― skip, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone w/ spotify check & tell me if there's a lot of metallica on this? </in character> (really though)
― markers, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
they have this: http://www.amazon.com/Blackest-Album-Industrial-Tribute-Metallica/dp/B000657L9C
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
all i need :)
― markers, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:20 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― max, Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:21 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― skip, Monday, July 18, 2011 3:14 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
Not sure what's going on there for you guys, seems to work fine for me. Just listened to Eurodans, Snooze 4 Love, and the Prince track ...
― dmr, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
really hate with a 30 second clip of kelly rowlands comes in between songs on my queue
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ok they just dropped "i'm on one" by dj kahlid into the middle of my listening to the blade runner soundtrack
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
They did that to me, but when I was listening to When Saints Go Machine.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I restarted the program and it works. <3 ILM best of the 50s playlist.
― skip, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno if all of these will still feature on the USA Spotify but this list of The Best 100 Comedy Albums on there is great
http://broken-tv.blogspot.com/2009/08/top-100-comedy-albums-on-spotify-part.html part 1 http://broken-tv.blogspot.com/2009/08/top-100-comedy-albums-on-spotify-part_09.html part 2 http://broken-tv.blogspot.com/2009/08/top-100-comedy-albums-on-spotify-part_14.html part 3
― piscesx, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
also a couple of good p!tchfork playlists, based on their recent 'tracks of the 90s/00s' lists on the site:
http://open.spotify.com/user/jrisgod/playlist/7K4gKC0gMk7ZsSYWERY96a Top 500 of the 2000shttp://open.spotify.com/user/aphone/playlist/3HG5Hc8SRHjiDVtzsTLyxp Top 200 of the 1990s
again that's presuming they work in American mode.
― piscesx, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― skip, Monday, July 18, 2011 3:04 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how do you find ilm playlists?
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty pissed i haven't gotten my invite yet tbh
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 July 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
here's the 50s list: http://open.spotify.com/user/nstewart/playlist/4IKcWqGQQ5cN1QTT0ya7xo
― skip, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't have an invite either but I am so enjoying the new MOG and hope the new beta stays permanent!
― Mount Cleaners, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
can i invite ppl? if someone tells me how i will invite u j0rdan
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
go to the website and log in; when you click on your username in the upper-right corner of the page you should see a "share Spotify" link that should lead you to a page where you can create and send invites
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
or from the spotify application, click once on your username, select 'account', click on 'share spotify' tab
― scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm it says i have no invitations to give, sorry s@rge
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it's okay -- i "registered" for an invite, so just sitting on my hands here
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 July 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i've got quite a few invitations if anyone wants to ilxmail me - assuming transatlantic invitations work.
― joe, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't even requested an invite yet -- might just give them five bucks a month
― markers, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
j0rd did u try through cocacola?https://www.spotify.com/us/coca-cola/
that worked for me
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
there are invitations via klout too
― max, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ah ok that 50 playlist kinda makes me understand why ppl are freaking out abt this
― max, Monday, July 18, 2011 4:38 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha i whored myself to klout and disgraced my family then i didn't have enuff klout, serves me right
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
got my invite
do you guys think i could be in a coke commercial?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 July 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
believe and u can achieve :)
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
like
me & santa claus pull up the new washed out album, the arrow on my screen hovers over the "play" button & as i go to click the mouse it switches to slow motion. as i make contact with the mouse, moisture sprays from the mouse as the first song on the washed out album plays joyously. i turn to santa and dramatically snap open a can of coke, he grabs a glass bottle and cheers. i turn to the camera and say "thanks, coke!"
idk
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 July 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The new Washed Out isn't available on Spotify (at least in the US and I assume elsewhere if it's on Sub Pop worldwide), so I'm guessing this won't happen. Not that I mean to destroy a dream or anything.
― fffv, Monday, 18 July 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
In my spotify library of my own files, every track name is highlighted, but only some of the album and artist names are highlighted with a link - even the same artist in the same album. Is there a reason?
― Spencer Chow, Monday, 18 July 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I'm already converted because it is reading my iTunes library (~500 GB) and yet it is SO MUCH FASTER than iTunes, which is barely usable on my computer. Playlists created by others automatically pick up the tracks already in my library and play those high-bitrate mp3s instead of streaming. The playlists are the long-term 'killer app' aspect of this service but the ease of integration with my current setup is pretty amazing.
― skip, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
hi dere this seem interesting
― Psyduck is My Spirit Animal (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if the artist gets paid royalties on the stuff that you import from itunes. Part of the nice thing about a subscription model like this is that artists can presumably make a tiny fraction of a cent when you listen to the stuff you downloaded illegally.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
It was one of those moments...
I logged onto spotify, and found some of my own performed tracks on there I was like "WHAT IS GOING ON?? GET ME KATE'S SOLICITOR!!" until I worked out it had added mine own library to my own stew, not anyone elses...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― fffv, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 00:40 (10 hours ago) Bookmark
Fwwi, this one is available on Spotify for me (Europe), it's licensed by Domino Recs.
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Am trying it now - it's pretty good!
― Mount Cleaners, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Sub Pop is a glaring omission at this point.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sound quality of this is p bad but it's cool to be able to check out stuff.
hey, do they have radio stations you can make quickly like last.fm?
i kinda miss that functionality, maybe i'm not seeing it.
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
sound quality of this is p bad
There's a higher quality stream for subscribers.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a radio link on the left menu that lets you choose from a list of genres or decades. On each artist page you also get an "Artist Radio" tab which plays music from that artist and whatever spotify deems to be related artists.
Neither is as good as last.fm radio or what I remember of Pandora from before the UK was blocked.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Just had another wee play with it and artist radio is better than I thought - similar to Pandora. Great thing is every artist you see is a link that allows you to open that artist's radio page and branch off wherever the mood takes you in only a couple of clicks.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
radio stations on this are basically useless in my experience. usually it seems to pick a dozen or so albums and then just play random tracks off of those over and over. xp
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it probably varies a lot depending on what genre+decade combination you use though?
i've really liked last.fm's stations, esp for stuff like blues and genres that i'm not super well versed in.
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate that you can't copy and paste from spotify - I want to list an e.g. of an artist radio station but I have to type it out.
Gang of Four radio featuring: Wire, The Fall, The Slits, Magazine, Television, Orange Juice, Sonic Youth, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Television Personalities, Holy Fuck, Echo and the Bunnymen, XTC, The Beta Band, The Horrors, Minutemen, Pavement, Suicide, These New Puritans, Clinic, Art Brut
I'd be quite happy to leave that running for an hour.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
everyone litsen to Mike Hanley "A Collection of Popular Melodies" so I can get a penny in royalties! (actually something like .0001 cent
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
so what's the deal with "local files," that's stuff that's on your iTunes but not on Spotify so you can only play them on your home computer? they are grayed out if they're not actually on your current hard drive?
― dmr, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify read a tiny portion of my library which makes this pretty annoying. Anyway to get it to rescan? Anyone with a large iTunes library have issues?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
my entire home library (14k+ tracks) went in with zero issues
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Same here, 60k tracks went through just fine.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh, my biggest complaint is that I apparently have to buy another $25 piece of software to get this to play through my AirPort.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I just went from Nitzer Ebb into Frank Martin and Aaron Copland, which will be followed by The Prodigy
fucking love this
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― dmr, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Today it keeps just stopping on the last track of any album I listen to, about halfway through the song. I can't get it to start back up again and a replay ends up stopping it in the exact same place. Kinda weird.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
why does it not play the next song in the search results after one is done
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
So on the mobile app I can't get a "similar artists" radio? Well that sux.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
There is no radio feature on the US Spotify unless I'm missing something.
― fffv, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing on my spotify either for related artists.
― skip, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
does seem like it would do that but it only will play things like that in a row if you add em to Play Queue
― dmr, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Something Rhapsody has, btw.
― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Man this fucking terrible Matt Nathanson ad with the sub-Dave Matthews "singing" is almost enough in and of itself to make me want to pay to make all the ads go away.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Mog and Rdio have Sub Pop as well, but every service has library gaps at this point and I personally hated Rhapsody when I was using it. My feeling is that while Spotify is good, the US version is inferior to its big brother and the paid service doesn't really set itself apart from the other available services in the US.
― fffv, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL
The "IN" Sound presented by the U.S. Army featuring songs by the Yardbirds and the Monkeeshttp://open.spotify.com/album/1mdTIoDXUrCshsxZ6RfYzb
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
what no linux client
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
What are those chain link icons to the right of the tracks?
― skip, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
> what no linux client
there is / was in the uk, only available to premium / unlimited subscribers.
http://www.spotify.com/uk/download/previews/
― koogs, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still not clear on how it's better than Rhapsody. Does it all come down to album selection?
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
it's just really slick.. songs start instantly, you can't really tell that they're not on your own hard drive
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah getting the Linux version so I could listen at work was the initial reason I subscribed. Other people have had luck using the Windows version under Wine but it was never stable for me.
― Samantha Mumbahton (seandalai), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xp obv
I've solidified my monster playlist as "100 songs I think everyone should love":
sadly no ICP, because I really don't think everyone SHOULD love ICP (especially their current stuff)
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I finally got my account today. I'll be glad when they get more US licenses to fill the holes in the collection.
― Breezy Summer Jam (MintIce), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Hasn't rhapsody been around for a long time, and it uses the browser? I think I tried out out ages ago but it seemed like some really clunky realplayer kind of bullshit. I don't want something running in my browser, I want an actual app.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Just got a free invite so I can check it out, and Damn DJP - love that 100 songs playlist!
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I admittedly haven't used Rhapsody in forever, but I remember it being so clunky and slow that I can't believe people are recommending it as a viable alternative to Spotify. Must have improved a TON since I played around with it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm listening to yr songz dan
gus gus became doves right?
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Gus Gus stayed Gus Gus, they have a new album out this year that's pretty good.
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ah yeah that was Sub Sub i was thinking of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9O32R1BZY&feature=related
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I just sprung for the premium Spotify, and have been giving it a whirl. I like the desktop interface slightly better than Rhapsody, but not in any overwhelming way. They had a couple things that Rhapsody didn't, but no major differences during my initial check on a handful of favorite bands (Kim Fowley, lilys, Swell Maps -- Spotify had a better Swell Maps selection -- and the like).
Their iPhone app is buggy and not at all as good as Rhapsody, and crashed a few times. Presumably that'll get fixed. At the moment I'm going to keep both. Rhapsody makes it much easier to download tracks to iPhone to play when I'm on the subway. I'm still not sure which one I'll end up sticking with, but since Spotify will probably improve while Rhapsody has already had time to solidify, I'd guess Spotify at some point.
xpost: I wouldn't ever think of calling the current Rhapsody clunky or slow, so it must in fact be a big improvement over whatever it started off as...
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I recommend the 'fifties' poll result playlist, it's excellent.
― Mark G, Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks to Dan and let's keep posting playlists
― calstars, Thursday, 21 July 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ayo can someone hook a dude up w/an invite to this?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 July 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
finally got my invite. this is rad.
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Thursday, 21 July 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
HOW IS THIS REAL
omg they have isis
cad i don't have invitations :-/
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
well here ends my only listening to 90s music all the time tbrr rip
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
cad, check the Coke link upthread, ppl have had luck with that
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Thursday, 21 July 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
sucks you can't change your username. I wanted to share playlists but I stupidly used my real name
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 21 July 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
how do i shot this? i signed up for an invite but i didn't get it. i r dumm.
― bed bath and beyoncé (The Reverend), Thursday, 21 July 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Takes some time, just have to wait it out I'm afraid.
― streetball technician in the flesh (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 21 July 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
just got in, took about a week to get the invite.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 21 July 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I totally want to pay it forward, but it seems like you don't get any invites if you get in on one sent from a friend. Or maybe theres a way to "earn" them or something, point being I totally want to invite you guys but I still don't have any to give.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 21 July 2011 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the desktop player surely looks exactly the same as when you last saw it but it has gotten faster and more stable. very unsexy and totally ill-equipped to be an actual media manager (spotify doesn't quite meet my needs there either, but at least they've put some thought into how it integrates with your music). as just a streaming conveyance it does finethe rhapsody mobile player (android at least) is shockingly well-designed in comparison, and pretty stable since oh 6 months ago. looks and feels totally different than the desktop side
― tremendoid, Thursday, 21 July 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i doubt anyone uses the web version, terrible
― tremendoid, Thursday, 21 July 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
let's keep posting playlists
I put together this list of stuff from Pitchfork's Best New Music, the ILM 2011 indie thread, the ILM 2011 punk underground thread, and part of the "best of 2011 so far" thread.
http://open.spotify.com/user/polyphonique/playlist/2xuruS2QGMSVrfILOGWahp
― polyphonic, Thursday, 21 July 2011 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link
My Spotify playlists, let me show you them
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 July 2011 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Invites from britishers work, right? Anyone needs one webmail me.
― useless chamber, Thursday, 21 July 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's a few ILM related playlists:
ILM best tracks of 2007ILM best tracks of 2008ILM 77 tracks of 2010ILM best remixes of th 00sILM 20th century tracks poll - This is a monster with over 1000 tracks.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah anyone needs an invite let me know
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM all time rap albums 100-51ILM all time rap albums 50-1
― a million anons (onimo), Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link
*cough cough*
― ledge, Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM Top 100 Tracks of the 1970sILM's 125 Best Tracks of the 20th Century
― a million anons (onimo), Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:55 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry ledge :)
Why? It was already linked upthread anway.
― Mark G, Thursday, 21 July 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
many thanks to the kind ilxor who sent an invite my way!
this is really cool.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 July 2011 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
That was me. No worries. I've got a few left in anyone wants one.
I'm finding the ads really annoying today.
Does skipping to the next track just before it finishes still work?
― Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Thursday, 21 July 2011 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
No, but double clicking on the next song does, weirdly.
― hand me the banana of shame (NotEnough), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I think they count how many times you do that tho, and then when you inevitably forget to double click, they play you a bumper crop of adverts that you can't get out of.
― hand me the banana of shame (NotEnough), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish it would stop asking me to share what I'm listening to on Facebook.
― skip, Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
digging it so far. looking forward to enjoying some of these ILM lists!
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to all of marquee moon for the first time in a while
probably won't be posting about alt rock from the 90s and nu-metal from the early aughts so much anymore rip
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
artist radio is showing up now. I can't figure out how to make it actually do anything though. it just shows a list of related artists.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
duh never mind. you just click on the album art boxes at the bottom I guess
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
That's not on the mobile app though?
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, I'm using it on the desktop app only.
They should allow you to subscribe to an artist and then have it automatically create a playlist with everything they've done, plus new stuff appearing as it arrives. That would be amazing. And then some kind of running new music playlist that shows you all of the new stuff from artists you've subscribed to.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
And then some kind of running new music playlist that shows you all of the new stuff from artists you've subscribed to.
I use this for notifications about new stuff - http://www.freshspotify.com/
It sends you an email when any of your artists have new material available. If you use spotify you can point at that to go find your top artists.
― a million anons (onimo), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry that should read "if you use last.fm"
― a million anons (onimo), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Thats a cool link, if a lot of info to sort through. It'd be cool if you could change filters for that, at this point I'm more interested to see when certain lables pop up as opposed to artists.
I did see that markers should be thrilled that they added a bunch of Metallica.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a "new album releases on Spotify" playlist here: http://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/3Yrvm5lBgnhzTYTXx2l55x
And this new releases list is also useful: http://open.spotify.com/user/the_junes/playlist/4lAy93JwdfYICArhzndaxs
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks for the links.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 21 July 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
thanking u spotify for showing me that owl city has a new single out called LONELY LULLABY
― her lawyer, Andrew Wallet (reddening), Thursday, 21 July 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, that's pretty cool. Just signed up for it. I wish something like that were integrated right into Spotify though. It would also be nice if you could subscribe to a label.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I just signed up for Spotify and was sort of dubious about their claim to have every song ever available. Not true on many fronts--however, somehow they have a song available that I sang for this cassette-only Tucson bedroom band compilation 19 years ago. Bizarre.
― President Keyes, Friday, 22 July 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i am loving all the sound-alikes
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Friday, 22 July 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
shit! they have my last band's two albums on there, crazy
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 July 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify doesn't have Kim Fowley's "Sunset Boulevard" or anything by Zoogz Rift or Lisa Suckdog, so I say it still has a long way to go....
― dlp9001, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
so it looks like the 'enhanced sound quality' only comes with the premium package
https://www.spotify.com/us/get-spotify/unlimited/
fuck you spotify!
― dayo, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
what streaming services out there do 320 or at least 192?
The free quality sounds fine to me.
― Jeff, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounded pretty good on my speakers earlier - but just switched to headphones and the dynamic range is noticeably compressed when I compare the stream to high quality mp3s I already have
― dayo, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, premium costs $9.99/month. Is there really anyone out there who doesn't have that?
And really, in 2011 we still can't get the rights to the Vapors' proper albums, or most of Men Without Hats? Really?
― dlp9001, Friday, 22 July 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yup, good for computer speakers and earbuds, not for close listening.
― skip, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Does anyone know what, specifically, the sound quality differences involve?
― timellison, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify premium is 320 kbps, no idea on anything else
― markers, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
from what I've read, it's 160 kbps for regular users, occasionally 320 kbps for premium. Not all tracks are yet available in 320 kbps and the company has dissembled repeatedly about how many tracks currently stream in higher quality and the timeline for full adoption of 320 kbps streaming for premium users.
― skip, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
This is confusing to me because I would think the record labels are providing the files and they're only going to have one version of a given album created using a particular bit rate.
― timellison, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
They get the original files in lossless form and make at least two versions of each track available - at minimum, 96 kbps for mobile streaming and 160 for regular users. 320 kbps is available to premium users for some unknown number of tracks.
"Bitrategate" might be a bit much but here's more information: http://www.spotifyclassical.com/2011/07/spotify-bitrategate-story-so-far.html
― skip, Friday, 22 July 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
That is fascinating!
― timellison, Friday, 22 July 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
On now.
― bed bath and beyoncé (The Reverend), Friday, 22 July 2011 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
any of you using this on more than one computer? I'm finding that if I star things at home or make a playlist, the changes don't always show up when I open spotify at work ... am I doing it wrong
― dmr, Friday, 22 July 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I have it on 3 machines and have had zero synchronization issues; in fact, I never close it on my work or home computer and see changes made in one location at the other, seamlessly.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry if this is an annoying question, but could someone explain what spotify is exactly... I checked the website but didn't really get what the big deal was. You can make playlists?
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
It is a gigantic online database of music that you can stream to any computer and many handheld devices. You can also make and share playlists with other users.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah okay, thanks.
I guess that could be cool to have a streaming on-the-go playlist instead of taking of space on my phone w/ mp3s...
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
well strictly speaking I believe it downloads music to your handheld device rather than streaming to it, so for example you can still listen to music on the train etc
really the biggest strengths here are:
- not needing to store gigabytes of music locally to have a diverse music collection- being able to put together and share playlists with friends by swapping URLs
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
As I've discovered over the course of the week, this is next to fucking useless at public free WiFi places like coffee shops or whatever, if their connection is anything less than ideal.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 22 July 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost It does both, as it downloads data for offline listening. You can also listen to tracks on the fly, though I'd make sure you have a generous allowance for streaming data otherwise it may be quite expensive.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
in fact, I never close it on my work or home computer and see changes made in one location at the other
thx. maybe I'll try leaving it open. might be that my work computer is on a weird network. dunno.
It does show some changes, like playlists I unsubscribed from disappeared off the display, but other stuff I renamed or changed didn't show.
― dmr, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
someone invite me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111
― bnw, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I would describe it as iTunes music store, but you can instantly play the full version of every song for $5 a month instead of having to pay 99 cents per download.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: try the Coke link, everyone I've passed it to has gotten in off of it:
https://www.spotify.com/us/coca-cola/
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
this was on my twitter today
via Mexican Summer records
Spotify hooked us up with some free invite codes! The first 250 people to e-mail mexsumspot✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ will receive a free code
no idea how fast they would get that many emails
― dmr, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
mexsumspotify at gmail
oh hey i just posted a spotify list of the random stuff ive dragged into my itunes stuff i liked this year folder (sil2011) on facebook and it was kinda effortless. thats pretty cool actually!
― I dream of vodka sandwich (jjjusten), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
alright joining this now
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
is there a way for me to add songs from my library? or is it just from their selection?
the first song I searched for they don't have o_O
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
it will pull in local files (ie, your iTunes library)
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, when I first started using it, I searched for a bunch of stuff to try and stump it and there's a ton they don't have yet.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
LMAO DUDES
KIDZ BOP IS ON SPOTIFY
― markers, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to be a billionaire so very bad
"sippin on my juice"
― markers, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
wait so does my entire library become public?
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
no, not unless you put it in a published playlist, and even then ppl won't be able to play the songs unless they have them locally as well
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
can't wait for the markers metallica/kidz bop megamix playlist
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 22 July 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
no metallica except for like 4 live songs or something
― markers, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit there's an evanesence kidz bop cover lmao
a chorus of kids: "there's just too much that time cannot erase!"
― markers, Friday, 22 July 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
there is a Kidz Bop cover of practically everything
come back when you've found their version of the Crazy Frog "Axel F"
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh!!! it deleted my playlist while I was adding songs to it twice now!
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I got an invite code but I'm not sure if it's linked specifically to my gmail or not
― dayo, Friday, 22 July 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
is there a way to re-arrange the tracks in a playlist? I only seem to be able to organize by name, last added, etc....
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
drag and drop
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
just drag up and down ... ?
― dmr, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm trying that..........................
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
eh I just kept getting this no matter what I pressed:
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/10/3/1/9/72638461468245495.png
so I just copied all of the songs to a new playlist
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
well if you click on the little header bars you can sort by song title in alphabetical order, or artist name, etc. so if you had one of those selected, you can't drag them around anymore. but you can click on the header again until it untoggles and goes back to numerical order.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 22 July 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks, dmr! Your hookup worked.
― bnw, Friday, 22 July 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
aaaaand my playlist doesnt work as far as i can tell
― I dream of vodka sandwich (jjjusten), Friday, 22 July 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
no beatlesled zeppelinthe associates
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
the associates
?? They've got almost everything they released.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
they don't have any Better Beatles either
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Stuff I'm impressed that they do have: Everything (?) on Touch & Go and Teen Beat Ben Vaughn Vulgar Boatmen - Opposite Sex (never released in the US, right?) A bunch of 90s garage stuff, incl. '68 Comeback, Bassholes, Gibson Bros.
― john. a resident of chicago., Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't get paying $5 a month and not actually owning any music at the end of it--that's more than I'd pledge to my community radio station.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
But I do get the fun of playlists: Somebody invite me! peteschol✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
just sent you one.
― joe, Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I've got plenty invites if anyone still needs one. Send me a webmail.
― oppet, Saturday, 23 July 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Thank you!
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 23 July 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
love spotify so much -- going through and starring all my favorite songs & records :D
― markers, Saturday, 23 July 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
So I've got 2 spotify accounts - the one I made years back when I employed the UK server loophole from here Stateside, and my new account that I just made out of curiosity after getting an invite from Trent Reznor. My first account told me the whole ku-bub: free for a while, then you gotta pay after 10 hrs. But I never received this message after logging in for the first time w/ my account via Mr. Reznor.... my point is: anyone else have multiple accounts and only receive that "warning" once?
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 23 July 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Does anyone have a spare invite for me? prettygoes @ gmail
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that anyone cares, but this is the death knell of iTunes
― calstars, Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't see why i'd ever buy another mp3 99.9% of the time
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
you better believe apple isn't just going to sit by and let spotify take over, though. they've had relationships with the labels for years and are definitely in talks with them to bring something similar to spotify to market. they'd be crazy not to, frankly
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Friday, July 22, 2011 8:22 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the 2nd thing i searched for wasnt there, although i did discover kilo ali released a record this year
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
impressed that noz's pimp c compilation is listed on this lol
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, there is a good chance that if you're an ilm poster, you're going to be able to find songs that aren't on there
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
they dont have cormega's 'the testament' wtf
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it didnt take much work to find them -- ive been on this thing for five minutes
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
oh no, not cormega!
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, i think negotiating w/ cormega's personal label is pretty low on spotify's priority list
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ok? so its high on my 'personal listen-to' list ...
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean hes not the most obscure rapper or something. & its not like they dont have tons of stuff up by more obscure artists. seems like a pretty random omission
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S.
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, i'm not sure you understand how this works
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
idk what im not 'understanding,' everyone talks about how this has EVERYTHING and 2/3 things i first looked for werent there
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
and you're like, "well thats probably not a priority" -- and?? so im supposed to be impressed?
well, i think one might logically be able to understand how spotify u.s., in its first week of release, has yet to negotiate personally with... cormega
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
like if thats not how it 'works' then ppl should stop telling me it is \oO/ theres no question theres an impressive selection i guess i was just expecting more
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
if spotify ever goes public, they're gonna have to explain how they overlooked cormega's self-released 2005 album
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
then maybe ppl should chill on telling me it has EVERYTHING on the site until it actually does?
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:06 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
can you come up w/ a comeback that isnt "lol cormega"?
my comebacks are mostly "lol deej"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, if someone told you a restaurant had "everything", would you go in with the expectation that you could eat any food available anywhere in the world
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, if someone told you a restaurant had "everything"
generally reason enough to not go to that restaurant tbh
― iatee, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i never said it was shocking that they hadnt personally negotiated a particular album w/ cormega (although they have most of his albums so... i dont know why they would be missing one) i was just surprised considering everyone's line on this is that theyre so incredible comprehensive that they would miss out on the first couple things i searched for. i dont know why that deserves "lol deej" "lol cormega" or snarkiness from you in general
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify has like zero metallica studio material, but it has enough stuff i love that i've starred, like, over 1,800 songs in my first week using it -- so, no, it doesn't have everything, but it has an insane amount of stuff
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
bcuz i think you're being unrealistic
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
it has every other cormega album bcuz those ones were released on actual labels
I know this has more stuff than rhapsody but maybe id be more impressed if i hadnt had that first? idk i guess it being a step further towards comprehensiveness is a good thing but its not the revolutionary thing i was expecting
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it was released on 'legal hustle' as were some of the records that are included
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the first thing i wanted to listen to was the washed out album but apparently they don't have sub pop -- i'm still a satisfied user tho
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
im not saying im trashing the program yeesh
i just found out that spotify doesn't have any live skull albums, fuck this shit
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Does anyone have a spare invite for me? prettygoes @ gmail― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:28 PM (44 minutes ago)
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:28 PM (44 minutes ago)
Sent you one there.
― scandally (seandalai), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone know why labels decide to make, like, one track unavailable from an album?
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
safe + sound missing so-neccessary dj quik DONT YOU EAT IT! skit :(
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i have weird enough taste in certain areas that i can't expect much in the way of comprehensiveness so i don't even worry about it.
that said i think the interface is totally ace and maybe closer to revolutionary, in that it's like a correctly-implemented itunes.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:18 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'll play around w/ this, that was a downside w/ rhapsody for sure
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol side note, has this ever happened to you?
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think so
i ended up thinking of stefan tho: "melt, new york's hottest club, has everything..."
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well done to whoever put that ILX best of 00's remixes playlist together
― piscesx, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks!
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't see the advantage of spotify over, say, emusic plus access to clips on youtube and everywhere else these days. but i'd like to investigate. if anyone has an extra invitation available, i'd be grateful for it.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
no sam cooke night beat :(
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
disc 4 of the man who invented soul iirc
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
starring all the songs you like and putting it on random is so rad
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
'Night Beat's' available in the UK, no sign of Cormega's 2005 album.
I wouldn't sweat about missing some stuff at the moment, there's a good chance that it'll turn up eventuall. Kate Bush and Underworld's catalogue was only recently made available in the UK for example.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:31 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
they don't have A LOT... like, I made a playlist and then realized they didn't have like 90% of the songs on it, so anyone I shared it with couldn't listen to most of the songs
the idea is cool, but really I don't get the point of spotify when I have my itunes and a large hard drive?
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the idea is to give artists & especially labels control over our access to music once again
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that we'll give up free music in favor of convenient music, i guess
I am pleasantly surprised.Is it worth it to pony up for premium if the ads aren't bothering me?
Why can't you browse by genre in either of these services? I mainly want to use it to try out dance / electronic music but usually have to browse another site to find artists and songs to cue.
― YO MAMA. (Mount Cleaners), Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
you can search by genre but it isn't great - I think it shows most played songs by default
― a million anons (onimo), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
you can search by label too
― scandally (seandalai), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
list of genres you can search for: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=psnjFY3R2itsqjinSs9hkZw
http://www.spotify.com/us/blog/archives/2009/03/24/spotify-genres-the-full-listing/
― a million anons (onimo), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the other thing is that this site isn't really gonna have an effect on the way i consume music generally? that new mixtapes arent typically gonna be going up there, nor are most of the major artists' releases that i listen to. so i mean, in terms of access this isn't changing a whole lot. i mean, its impressive abstractly but functionally for my purposes its less 'revolutionary' than idk digitaldripped or hans-kingofthedrugs
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah otm
― writing down my vagina’s sorrows for all the world to see (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
man listening to the top tracks is depressing. 'i'm on one' is like the only song i like lol
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
new major label rap albums are on there
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and what a great lineup that is these days ha
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
for being a generalist selection it's pretty damn comprehensive, sorry your oj da juiceman freestyles aren't on there rip :^(
― flop's son (dayo), Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
that emoticon has a nose
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
uh, i thought they didn't have sub pop
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, from npr -- http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/07/14/137842612/spotify-has-arrived-stateside-heres-what-you-need-to-know:
**Update (7/13/11 at 5:30pm): Spotify clears this up as well. They do, in fact, have a contract with Sub Pop. The fact that a number of albums from the label weren't available this morning is due to the fact that they're still in the process of loading many songs into their digital catalog.
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
new washed out is up there
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
postal service, wolf parade, etc.
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
minus "at mount zoomer" i guess?
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
yesssssss more iron & wine
― markers, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
thanking u sub pop & spotify
If it lets me listen to Twister by Unrest without buying it or taking the time to look for a download (and it does) it's worth the $9.99 this month. I can't imagine that something similar isn't true for everyone else. I still want Drag City (who are also absent from Rhapsody).
― dlp9001, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― flop's son (dayo), Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so is rhapsody, and why would i give a fuck abt a generalist selection? ps: you're a clown
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Monday, 25 July 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely you'd care about he opportunity to easily search for, eg house music or something else you're moderately interested in? It's never gonna have every free mixtape on it but you're gonna listen to most of them anyway.
As a research tool or just something for happily stumbling across things Spotify is pretty much amazing.
Also sharemyplaylists.com us worth repping for - it's good to just search for 'Balearic' or 'Berlin 2011' and just happily listen for an hour or two.
― Matt DC, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that seems like exactly what it's for, i.e. not for going deeper in a genre you're already deep in.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Anybody having problem with Spotify stopping after playing ads sometimes? Lately I've run into an issue where Spotify will play an ad through to the end, but then it won't do anything else... it doesn't play another ad or the next song on my playlist, it just stops. If I click on another song to play it, the pop up comes up saying "'song x' will play as soon as the current ad is finished', but nothing is playing. So far the only solution I've found is to shut down Spotify and restart it - works, but very annoying. I read somewhere that cleaning out the cache can help, but that doesn't seem to make a difference with this problem.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
idk if it's me or the program but there have been a couple times when i've had to restart it to get it to play tunes again
― markers, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
same for me. the free us version of spotify is pretty terrible.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, this happened to me once. I figured I was lucky that it was just once.
― an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I've had it just stop in the middle of songs a couple of times on the paid version. changing to another track fixes it though.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
minus "at mount zoomer" i guess?― markers, Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
LAME
That album "The Chronic" by that dude Dr. Dre is also missing.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Also some artists have individual songs missing... "You Made Me Realise" & "Sister Ray" .. weird..
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
billstevejim i cant imagine spotify had time to negotiate with DR. DRE
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
they have 2001
― markers, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder if it's a death row thing
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link
who even owns the death row masters? didn't they get auctioned off or something
they have doggystle, altho they list it as having been released in 2009
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link
no japandroids :( hopefully that will get fixed.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link
It's probably a Death Row thing. They don't have every prominent album ever made and complaining it doesn't is kinda entitled bullshit.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
The Chronic was on UK Spotify a couple of months ago then disappeared.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Disappeared in a puff of smoke.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"everything is amazing and nobody's happy"
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Complaining about them not having some fairly obvious canonical releases was more responding to expectations based on hype rather than feeling entitled to it, but it's nore like this didn't fall short for my purposes i'm other ways so ymmv
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Really hoping to see more metal labels on here soon.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
It's *not like
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
jon so otm
― markers, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I like MOG a lot and am keeping my subscription but Spotify seems to come up with less chaff when I do a keyword search.
― Indie Pop: Intelligent People's Music (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Also I can indulge in guilty pleasures like elevator disco without feeling like I have to share that with everyone.
― Indie Pop: Intelligent People's Music (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Currently working on a spotify version of my rub you the right way mix from a few years back
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Sharemyplaylists is great. And they have an app
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
They don't have every prominent album ever made and complaining it doesn't is kinda entitled bullshit.
Make sure you only post comments like these specifically after I speak up... especially since I never alluded to either of these.. people were mentioning stuff that was missing, so I added to the list. So far I love it.. I'm very happy and I don't feel entitled to get all music for free.. although I do think it's dumb for all musicians to not embrace this as an opportunity for gettin serious-ass paid.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Japandroids are on Death Row?
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
No, Polyvinyl... all recent Of Montreal releases are missing as well.
They have all of Doggystyle and pretty much everything Tupac pre-death so I think it's nothin but a Dr. Dre thing and not a Death Row thing..
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just saying, I think Matt and Tracer were aiming at J0rdan rather than you with that comment
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
As long as I'm covered...
Who distributes Polyvinyl? These bands need money.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yeah i'm sure bands will start raking it in from spotify
― amada thuggindiss (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
$50 is still $50.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
how does spotify pay bands? is it like radio royalties?
― amada thuggindiss (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think it's dumb for all musicians to not embrace this as an opportunity for gettin serious-ass paid.
Yeah, as much of a devotee of spotify as I am that really isn't going to happen (infographic).
― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
that infographic is hilarious
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and sad
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
it's sad it was hilarious
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I really have to stop doing that
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah me too, muttering it to myself one time too many lately
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
If those figures are true though, the (legal) digital age devalued music at an alarming rate.
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe they're getting a better deal in the U.S. now? I know thats an older chart based on UK royalties, perhaps hammering out a better deal was part of what took so long to get it hear. Doubtful though.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks to that chart, I will be setting my playlists on repeat and playing them when I leave the office
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that chart is out of date. Here's an article with some more realistic royalty numbers. http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/news/e3iecb83415cefdd2b0a43399437dff3e5f
For the interactive royalty rate, let?s use 0.75 cents per stream (it?s the midpoint of a typical range of 0.5 to 1.0 cents per stream)
Still not great, since obviously at the low end of that scale, a listener would have to play a track 200 times to equal one 99¢ iTunes download. But if streaming services caught on and royalty rates began to increase as subscriptions increased maybe it would work. And it would actually benefit artists whose music gets replayed frequently. It would also favor quantity, so people who are listening to full albums would actually be a more valuable audience than people who just listen to singles.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Well that Billboard article is from 2009, so I'm not sure its much more up to date, but an interesting read nonetheless. I'd be curious to see what Spotify's current real royalty rates are.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
As far as I can see, pretty much everything by Of Montreal and Japandroids is available in the UK, so hopefully will be available in the US soon.
Curious to see what message you get with this, No Singles.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
The tracklisting is there but the song titles are gray.. the disclaimer says "This album is not available in the United States."
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
You know this whole streaming thing is great but something I really love about Spotify is how the play-controls are located at the bottom. It's great especially for windows users (pun in 3...2...1: SO MUCH WIN) where all I have to do is minimize spotify to my taskbar, and if I want to skip a song it doesn't take a massive upheaval to go all the way to the top a la iTunes.
That's all I have to add for today.
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Well that Billboard article is from 2009, so I'm not sure its much more up to date, but an interesting read nonetheless.
ah, true. although the numbers in the infographic only seem to date from a few months later. the problem is it seems like he got them from a blog post written by someone who got their music on spotify through cdbaby. so they don't necessarily reflect anything meaningful.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
kel, you should get Windows 7; then you can skip a track without having to open the window
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
How the hell do I make a playlist? This shit's confusing the hell out of me.
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait - I think I just got it. NM!
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
This is overwhelming!
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
what's your username--we can be spotify bros
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
uhhhhh enbb
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
how do we become spotify bros and what does that mean?
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i added you and now i can see playlists you publish.
in the searchbox type spotify:user:callalldestroyer
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
also we can share trax and stuff
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh hey there you are!!
Yeah I have no idea what any of this is yet but woah those playlists are all pretty neat. Very v exciting imo.
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i kinda hate they turned "spotify social" into spotify facebook basically
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify:user:avilyn
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
andy! psyched to check out your playlists.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, love being able to pause this so easily at work when the phone rings.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I've had to close and restart the program about four times in the last hour because it decides to stop playing whenever an ad comes up. Really annoying, not sure I'm ready to pull out my wallet until this is less buggy.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe the bugs are mostly with the ads, though?
― timellison, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Splurged for a $5 run this weekend and haven't regretted a thing. No bugs to report at all.
― You're runnin' with the (Cheetah), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I think they are ad-related, I've never seen any of these problems and I've been on the $5 plan from the beginning.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Can you search for playlist themes? Like if I'm interested in Ego Trip's 40 best singles of 1994 but I don't feel like downloading a torrent... Or Billboards top 100 singles of 1989 or something... I feel like people must have made these into spotify playlists by now.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
If anyone uses the foxytunes firefox (or IE) extension it can control spotify from the status bar.
http://www.foxytunes.com/firefox/download/
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think you can search for playlists by keyword or genre on spotify. I think you'd have to go to somewhere like http://sharemyplaylists.com/ or http://www.sharedplaylists.com/ and do a search from there.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Why can't you just search for a playlist within Spotify? That's always confused the hell out of me.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Never any problems with the premium
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:32 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah this seems like a huge flaw? they should also have a last.fm/netflix style recommendation system
― max, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Jon, I agree, the advertising isn't that annoying and I am still not clear on what goodies I will get if I up to the $5 plan.
When I get more money, though, the $10 plan will be cool, would love to listen on my Blackberry.
― Indie Pop: Intelligent People's Music (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
There is no Spotify for Blackberry afaik - only iPhone/Android.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
this...is amazing
― can afford a drug lifestyle ----► (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it really is
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I had no idea, I thought one could listen on any phone. I'm sure in time you'll be able to get these services on any phone.
― Indie Pop: Intelligent People's Music (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i can p much delete itunes and all of my mp3s?
not that i'm going to, but
― can afford a drug lifestyle ----► (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i'm sure there's stuff they don't have and all but wow. and it scrobbles to last.fm!
I wouldn't go that far, I've gotten burned a couple of times by random songs being unavailable (why the hell would every song on Brandy's Full Moon be available EXCEPT for the two singles everyone knows and likes????) (well I can guess why but still)
but yes, the impulse is strong
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
radiokeller
^add me
― can afford a drug lifestyle ----► (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
im finding a lot of stuff i wanna listen to is unavailable, im not whining, its free, but im definitely not giving up on itunes/mp3s yet
― max, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
for example, how do they not have the wurzels combine harvester
i ask you
― max, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
sez you have not enabled Spotify social, k3v!
(djperry1973)
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol nvr mind
wait lol where do i look to see if ppl have added me /noob
― can afford a drug lifestyle ----► (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty amazing as long as you accept it for what it is. i mean $5 (?) a month is still a bargain, but i never expect to find anything spotify.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Just acquired a new phone and have 600 or so spotify offline tracks on it and none from itunes at the moment. pretty sure I'll add a few obscurish downloaded mixes but for now i'm quite happy. i would like to be able to browse through "my" tracks by artist/album etc but that's a minor price to pay for the convenience of wireless syncing.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
god these commericals are so aggravating
― amada thuggindiss (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure you can, actually! I think you have to enable Spotify social and then you can start adding ppl and browsing their playlists
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I still think there is a punishment to be had for being able to listen to whatever you want without paying.
― Indie Pop: Intelligent People's Music (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, supposedly in a few months some limits to the free hours per month are going to kick in.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Trust me, when you graduate to the paid ad-free service in a few months, you will seriously miss some of those ads. I almost want to email them and ask Dave and Zia and Jeff from Spotify and ask them how they're doing these days?
I just had that awful moment, when I was making a Spotify playlist for a friend and found myself wanting to tweak the BPM and maybe cut out the annoying outro to make a smoother transition - #headdesk #FrustratedDJ
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
daerest upt0eleven: TYVM for reminding about "Breakfast" by Le Le
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i am in love with spotify. i still have two invites...
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Can you jump over onto the MOLLIFY thread on Idiot Thread Repository and tell Sara-RC you've got invites? She's dying to hear my playlists.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
dan are your playlists on sharemyplaylists? since im listening from my phone, im wondering how to listen to them.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
they aren't yet, I should throw them up there
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yah
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell me about it. Spotify currently does not have approximately 30% of what I have in iTunes, and I've never NOT been overwhelmed by what I need to process, but it is incredible and fast.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I put my playlists up on sharemyplaylists, under the usename djperry1973, but I don't know how to effectively search for them
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
search by member
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah Spotify is great but for me it's a supplement to vinyl / mp3's not a replacement
I plan to just keep using it free as a way to discover and try out new stuff
― dmr, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
found you dan, thanks!
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
wait i can just go to "local files" and play songs from my itunes! i never have to open itunes again!(?)
― Notinnymane (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
beware of putting local files into your playlists, tho
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
local files almost the best thing about spotify since it starts up 10000x faster than itunes
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, sharemyplaylists ppl apparently do not like long grab-bag playlists; so far all 3 of mine have garnered 1 star ratings
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i got a 5 star on my new jack swing one. it was probably you.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
ha it wasn't! clearly the way to get a good rating is to get to the point rather than be a meandering hodge podge
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
im loving your playlists.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
yay
I will be playing your New Jack Swing playlist tonight
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the one that gus gus starts off is fanfuckingtastic.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
that's the first one I did (and probably the most successful of the three)
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
So, when you have a song in a playlist that Spotify does not have, those who don't have it won't see it at all -- no "light gray" listing. That kinda sucks.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Obviously it makes sense for Spotify to do that.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
can p much delete itunes and all of my mp3s?
No because then they won't show up on your Spotify!
― timellison, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah i got excited for a minute there
― Notinnymane (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
So, when you have a song in a playlist that Spotify does not have, those who don't have it won't see it at all -- no "light gray" listing. That kinda sucks.― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:42 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:42 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
OK. If you want to see playlist tracks you cannot play, go into preferences and un-check "Hide unplayable tracks."
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 28 July 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry if dumb question, but is there a way to view and sort the tracks in your library by bitrate, file size, play count, and other data fields that don't show up by default?
― why delonge face? (unregistered), Thursday, 28 July 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
DJP did you put the alley cat mix in your playlist as a cruel joke
― flop's son (dayo), Thursday, 28 July 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL no, I genuinely dig that mix! It would have been between that or the original; I pretend the album mix doesn't exist.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Thursday, 28 July 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if I'll use itunes again, Spotify is much prettier as a music player. I feel like such a pratt for thinking Spotify was crap when it first came out.
― Keep Reading! (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 28 July 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Trust me, when you graduate to the paid ad-free service in a few months, you will seriously miss some of those ads.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 28 July 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I could ditch iTunes and get over Spotify's tagging issues real fast if column browsing and smart playlists were possible.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 28 July 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
That stuff will probably be available in a few years time. I don't know, I think dark colors are better for music, psychologically. I like the black and green, it's soothing. Although it is kind of a blatant rip-off of itunes.
― Keep Reading! (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 28 July 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
bunch of white stripes stuff disappeared?
― markers, Thursday, 28 July 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/spotify-playlist-generator-creates-playlists-based-on-your-favorite-artist/
just found this and am at work so haven't tried it out yet. sounds quite good though and, if it works as described, a solution for those that want a bit of last.fm functionality.
― Upt0eleven, Thursday, 28 July 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link
That looks rather neat, will try when home!
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 11:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Be careful, looks like you might download something you don't want!!
― Keep Reading! (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 28 July 2011 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, like what? Toolbars or advert shite?
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
How is this different to artist radio?
― get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 28 July 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
It generates a playlist
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Try this for a web based playlist generator http://spotibot.com/playlist/
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 28 July 2011 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post: No there is a link there to some idiot software, be careful. I looked at the page, it isn't worth it.
― Keep Reading! (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 28 July 2011 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
decided it was actually better to try it at work than at home and it's fine. really basic but still quite impressive.
― Upt0eleven, Thursday, 28 July 2011 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify has made me appreciate the full album listening experience rather than always listening to random things on shuffle.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Thursday, 28 July 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
annoyed at the lack of a single repeat button so that I have to manually start 'livin on a prayer' every single time
― flop's son (dayo), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
:-D
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
back from vacation and noticing Spotify saying I have a number of invitations I can send to USers. If this is still a thing and you need one, feel free to gmail omhalck. First come etc; also I cannot promise lightning-quick reaction at all times.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
dude make a "Livin' On A Prayer" playlist!
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
done and done
― flop's son (dayo), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
what is to stop someone from just going analog port in and recording anything they want and KEEPING IT!
― hwy not write Ohkhaye!" Onktean? (Latham Green), Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
HOME ANALOG PORT RECORDING IS KILLING MUSIC
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I've wondered about similar questions myself, and ended up thinking:
1) analog port as in whatever the soundcard processes? vulnerable to random facebook chat alert dings and other unwanted sounds;2) otoh the sound files are actually temporarily cached on your computer and you could probably get the exact digital file if you were superhumanly fantastic at decryption etc;3) however if you wanted to care for the collection you'd get in one of those ways, you'd have an hell of a tagging and organizing task ahead;4) all of which indicates that it seems too much hassle when the app allows you to call it up anytime you want anyway?
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty simple to mute all sounds except for one app
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
(loving the ilm 50s playlist from upthread btw; is it a countdown or a countup or more random than that?)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
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― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
Love it myself! It is in random order though, it was made based on people's votes.
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The votes make it unrandom though, right? It's a countdown from 101-ish (Battle with the Invisible Monster) to #1, I Only Have Eyes for You.
― an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
xps: fair enough Dan, but also
5) I guess rather few people would be simultaneously a) sufficiently nerdy to build a digital music collection based on re-encoding to digital form the actual analog sound signals and b) sufficiently unnerdy to not care about the resulting files not being the same as the original digital files.
Damn, loads of negations in there. Hope it is untanglable.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, WmC, thought it was just a compilation of all the tracks people nominated. Sorry, misused the word vote there.
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I am using this to listen to the new Kelly Rowland album right now.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 July 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Are ppl still getting defensive about how this is missing lots of stuff? Didn't feel like pulling out my cd of the infamous, tried to pull it up on spotify, oops! A bunch of classic tracks are missing
again not saying it's useless but there are def some canonical rap artists poorly served by this
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that is probably because a lot of artists and/or labels want certain tracks unavailable as they are ones that they think people should/will pay for. Blame them not spotify.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't just happen with rap either , it happens with other genres. Some artists wont even allow anything on spotify.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
2 tracks! idk, were they the biggest tracks from the infamous? could also be weirdness with a sample or one of the credited writers, tho i've got my copy of the infamous right here and can't really figure out what the issue would be (one has a sample listed, the other doesn't, they have different co-writers).
― call all destroyer, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
but anyways yeah rap and metal are certainly going to get shafted by this as they usually do.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i think some labels are leaving out some tracks to create a ~pain point~ that leads ppl to go out and shell out $$$ for those songs/a copy of the record, but that's just a guess
― markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
god, if that is true it is such a ludicrous position
― call all destroyer, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify is pretty great for jazz at least. unfortunately even some albums have tracks missing, but blue note is there in full.
Can't say im surprised underground rap & metal is missing on spotify but often that is because the label is not interested, not spotify.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the more mainstream metal bands seem to be catered for. Are the big rap albums missing in full or just labels leaving a few tracks out to make you buy the album?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
could also be weirdness with a sample or one of the credited writers
or publishing company?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Metal has not been a commercially successful genre for like two decades now so it's hardly surprising spotify doesnt cater to it. Rap is the biggest genre of music in the world for the past two decades so it is utterly shocking that it is being treated like this.Spotify needs to up its game to go beyond useless.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"beyond useless" would be a good line 4 them 2 use in their advertising
― markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify: beyond useless
― markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I really miss the days of recording audio tapes becuase they were so persnola, random , nice and home made - I also like taking records like Elvis COstello's "NOrth" and messing with the revreb, adding chorus, doing weir d things.
― hwy not write Ohkhaye!" Onktean? (Latham Green), Friday, 29 July 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't really see what being 'commercially successful' has got to do with how metal and rap gets treated by spotify or anyone else. rap and metal are huge genres with acts that sell millions, get lots of youtube hits, get illegally downloaded. They are not niche genres. But Spotify cant have everything, also the smaller labels probably need to approach spotify, you simply cannot expect them to know of every label out there. Jazz im sure sells less and a lot of these genres but thankfully it is well catered for. Which is why I pay premium, it's worth it just for the access to the blue note catalogue. Hopefully more labels from more genres will approach Spotify now that it it available in the USA along-with Spotify approaching others. Spotify caters to music fans so sales figures shouldn't come into it all the time. And it thankfully doesn't, hence all those smaller labels on it. But you cant do anything if labels/artists don't want certain tracks or full albums streaming for free.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Metal is very much aniche genre. Its not comparable to hip hop. Spotify needs t imrove the hip hop selection to make it worth using it.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
not really, not unless all you care about is hip-hop
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Friday, 29 July 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
What else musically is worth caring about? You can't seriously be suggesting metal. The most white (power) racist sexist mysogynist music ever invented.
― BlindWillyPuller, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The aliens have invaded again, I see.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
The most white (power) racist sexist mysogynist music ever invented.
this didn't turn up anything when I searched on sharemyplaylists. I'm beginning to question the point of Spotify.
― fffv, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
This is pleasing meh because I am listening to lots of random 90s r&b albums it never would have occurred to me to download. Koffee Brown! Somethin' for the People! Nicole! d-_-b
― The Reverend, Friday, 29 July 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
that stuff was prob all on rhapsody too -- if anyone's confused abt why im still like 'and?'
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Rhapsody costs money, right?
― polyphonic, Friday, 29 July 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but half the ppl here are paying money for spotify
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but deej you need secret invite to get into spotify
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
were you those kind of guys who were going on and on about Diamond Rio when the iPod first came out?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 29 July 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i had 20gigs worth on my first ipod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyMWGye7u4E
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 July 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol. spotify seems to have a pretty comprehensive Diamond Rio discog
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 29 July 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
you know, in case BlindWillyPuller is looking for a good alternative to hip hop and metal
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 29 July 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, I've never been on Rhapsody and this is free.99
― The Reverend, Friday, 29 July 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It's surprisingly good for random dance compilations.
Also, this is the Spotify playlist that everyone in the world needs. It's (a lot of ) the Optimo 250:
http://open.spotify.com/user/alex_tea/playlist/1Qrvz1kdf2VJUO0Wjt6ROw
― Matt DC, Saturday, 30 July 2011 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
!! awesome. thanks
― dmr, Saturday, 30 July 2011 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Cool. Dig the "Wichita Lineman" outro on "La Vie En Rose"
― Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 July 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
See you in ten hours.
― Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 July 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't like the way that Spotify handles my compilations in iTunes. In that it doesn't handle them at all.
― Jeff, Sunday, 31 July 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
while were complaining i hate, HATE, the color scheme here
― max, Sunday, 31 July 2011 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf who does white on black
me. i like it.
― blueski, Sunday, 31 July 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
youre _so dumb_
― max, Sunday, 31 July 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i love everything you hate and more
― blueski, Sunday, 31 July 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't like the colors either.
― Jeff, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
2 against 1
― max, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA5jsa1lR9c
― shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
fun fact: light on dark is the second most popular contrast choice, after dark on light.
http://www.mobile-phones-info.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/iphone-dial-retro-cool-nice-old-mobile-phones-pic-pics-img-hot.jpg
― blueski, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Are ppl still getting defensive about how this is missing lots of stuff?
people are the absolute fucking worst
― ennui morricone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
this thing that didnt exist three weeks ago isn't a complete and comprehensive database of every piece of recorded sound ever, FUCK THIS SHIT
― ennui morricone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link
it's been around for three years but w/e
― sonderangerbot, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
not in US
― shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
oi maties did u hear the newsie wewsies, this bloke invented a musickal machine called spotify
― max, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
sb
― shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
that is not how they talk in swedeland for sure
― blueski, Sunday, 31 July 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It's been around three years but I'd imagine the licensing issues are unique to the US so it might as well be brand new.
What's the mobile app like for draining phone battery by the way? Will have a good data package so will be streaming a lot I reckon...
― Matt DC, Sunday, 31 July 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
rhapsody more like RAP CITY amirite deej
― 我爱你 G. Weingarten (dayo), Sunday, 31 July 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I finally got around to "going deep" on messing around with this last night and I'm supremely disappointed. Very limited selection (of course this will always be a subjective call) and the suggested/related artists thing is, in a word, broken. The whole thing feels very low-rent...saw lots of overlapping artist pages, etc. After all the "it's so fast and slick" proclamations this is not what I was expecting. The social/playlist sharing aspect is very cool, will probably keep me coming back for a while. Anyone else feel like, "Uh, this is the future of music? Pass."
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 31 July 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys, its not as if the artists that are locked in are going to be the only ones there forever. I mean, when it launched Sub Pop was a notable omission, but its already put up a huge chunk of its catalog now too. Be patient. As this thing gathers more popularity, more will be added.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 31 July 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no issues with the selection, seems pretty good so far. Just the software. Does not work as an iTunes replacement. I really like iTunes, unlike many people.
― Jeff, Sunday, 31 July 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Which, that is fine, I'll just run both programs.
― Jeff, Sunday, 31 July 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What's the mobile app like for draining phone battery by the way? Will have a good data package so will be streaming a lot I reckon...― Matt DC, Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:22 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Matt DC, Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:22 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
If you're doing proper streaming over 3g then it's a pretty big drain but not unusably so. My phone has generally shit battery life tho, so I'm used to recharging during the day anyway. If you're playing stuff you already synced then it's no different to any other mp3 playing app. Most efficient thing is obv to sync over wifi before listening, if possible.
Spotify mobile is basically the best thing ever invented and it really has 'changed how I consume music' forever (or until their business model is revealed to be a bust).
― oppet, Sunday, 31 July 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Weird, I joined up but I apparently can't invite other people.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 31 July 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
think only Premium users get any invites, as far as I can tell.
― dmr, Sunday, 31 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, I see.
I gotta say, they don't make the social aspect of the site terribly intuitive or simple.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 31 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still finding it strangely complicated to download tracks for offline use on the iPhone App. I wish they'd streamline it a little. And the app crashes when you try to save an album as a new playlist with the album name, though I can't believe they won't fix that soon.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 31 July 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure if this has been discussed in this lengthy thread, but what do you all make of the preponderance of "re-recorded" hits from the days of yore? Is this a way for Spotify to pay less for the rights, comping the artists only and not the record companies? I know many artists (Squeeze, for example) are re-recording their old hits, faithfully, so as to exercise more control over them. Strikes me that we are entering into a Karaoke Age, in which you can get the original work for X, and a "faithful" simulacrum for X - whatever. I mean, listening to Walter Egan's re-recorded "Magnet And Steel", he still sounds fine, but the production is just a bit off, and when you lose Stevie Nicks on backing vocals, you lose everything.
― henry s, Monday, 1 August 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Any way to divert money away from labels and to artists is ok by me.
― time to put it in hi geir (WmC), Monday, 1 August 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Fair enough. But it does present an aesthetic problem. Whilst listening to the 50s poll playlist I tolerated/lived with the various rerecord versions of the old hits but really want to hear the original records- in rock and roll "the original is still the greatest" usually holds true.There's no way a live recording of The Coasters for a PBS special is going to sound as good as the recording made by Tom Dowd in the Atlantic studio with King Curtis on sax, Gary Chester on drums and Mike Stoller on piano.
― Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 August 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Is this a way for Spotify to pay less for the rights
Oh, I really don't think so. There's a lot of this stuff on iTunes as well.
― timellison, Monday, 1 August 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify is owned by the majors so nothing they do is going to be even remotely "a way to divert money away from labels and to artists." The mechanical rate for a download of a cover is something like 9 cents. For streaming like this, it's probably much lower but I don't know the exact figure. So if anything, covers are a way to divert money away from the original artist, paying the songwriter a tiny pittance for the use of their IP.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 1 August 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah iTunes does this too. I downloaded a Jim Croce song a while back only to realize it wasn't even Croce singing.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Monday, 1 August 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link
but really it's not iTunes or Spotify doing it. It's other artists doing it. anyone can record a cover without permission by simply paying the statutory rate for a compulsory license. This goes back at least to those '60s hit cover collection LPs but probably earlier as well.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 1 August 2011 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link
this whole no songs >10 min is really starting to get to me
will probably kill the subscription because of it
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Monday, 1 August 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
is that a us thing only? i haven't noticed it.
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 1 August 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I listened to the Hatchback album yesterday and that's got a couple of 10min plus tracks that played with no problem, so it's either a glitch or a US-only thing, but that would still just be bizarre - would take out a lot of classical music for one thing.
― Matt DC, Monday, 1 August 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure its a U.S. only thing. Was listening to some Allman Brothers yesterday (the urge hit me, what can I say?) but it wouldn't play anything over 10 minutes. Super annoying. I was hoping that it would go away with the paid subscription, but judging by what diamonddave85 is saying, that isn't the case. Sounds like I may keep my wallet in my pocket for a little while longer to see how this shakes out. I listen to way too much music where the 10-minute plus track is fairly common.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 1 August 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/long_songs_are_missing
Second post here blames UMG
― a million anons (onimo), Monday, 1 August 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's only UMG stuff over ten minutes.
― timellison, Monday, 1 August 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
^above from a few months ago and before US launch so might not be same issue. I've never had any issue playing long tracks.
― a million anons (onimo), Monday, 1 August 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Affects the UK too, The Orb's 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld' is about an hour shorter because of it.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 1 August 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
from what I understand, when tracks aren't available it's because the label or rightsholder hasn't licensed the track for streaming. The Orb album is missing tracks on Rdio as well, although they aren't the same tracks and all of the tracks are available on Mog, so I'm not really sure how all of this works.
― fffv, Monday, 1 August 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm in the us, "shatterhand" by nightblooms is (just) over ten minutes and plays fine. Premium.
― dlp9001, Monday, 1 August 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure Nightblooms weren't ever on UMG, that appears to be the common link here. That link omino posted makes a lot of sense, on iTunes a lot of those lengthy tunes are only available 'Album Only' (meaning you can't purchase them individuall) and somehow the metadata transferred over for Spotify in a way that makes them not allowed to be streamed either. Seems Spotify is looking into it though, so hopefully it will all be available soon.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 1 August 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
uforb and adventures are on Big Life, a UMG subsidiary
UMG is such a huge conglomerate that even though it's an issue with only ONE content provider, it's a problem imo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Monday, 1 August 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been kinda "whatever" about people complaining about things not being on here but now that something I've been listening to for a week is suddenly unavailable (Iceage "New Brigade") ... yeah it's annoying.
― dmr, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
the interface really kinda sucks; there are a bunch of little navigational things that would make it so much easier to use
plus they really need to clean up their "artist" pages, figure out what to do about two artists with the same name, etc.
that said im using this as much as itunes atp
― max, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
THIS. Starting with multiple tabs, so I can have one with the currently playing album while I go browsing and searching in others.
Appearance of ads in the free version is very haphazard, and seems to depend on time of day maybe? Last night it seemed like there were ads after every other song, but this morning I listened to a whole album without hearing any.
― time to put it in hi geir (WmC), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty shitty that you can't play it on two devices at the same time as i found out when i got kicked off this morning while my wife was using it.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Starting with multiple tabs, so I can have one with the currently playing album while I go browsing and searching in others.
You can search all day and click back to "play queue" any time you like.
Tabs would be nice though.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, not just that but I've seen lots of cases of one artist with multiple slight variations of their name (capitalization or punctuation differences, with or without "The" etc) which is super annoying. And I've seen a bunch of cases where the "related artists" tab doesn't even include side projects or related solo acts.
But my biggest gripe is that they need to let you select multiple playlists so you can put them into a folder all at once. That, and it would be nice if they indented the folders a bit more like itunes does. Even if you organize everything into folders, the playlists still look like just one huge long list.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to incubus, counting ufos, signaling them w/ my ladder tbrr y'all!
― markers, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii wish u were here
Artist discographies are messy too
I think the best part is the playlist sharing for sure. Not terribly impressed by the rst so far
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify's one of the best services i've ever used imo
yeah playlist sharing is by far the best thing about it for me
― max, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
definitely
― dmr, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
but being that it's everyone's favorite feature, the fact that you can't search for public playlists except through a third-party website is ... weird
my favorite feature is being able to listen to such a big library of music
― markers, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
no need to worry about bitrate or metadata or blah blah whatever it's all just there
yeah playlist sharing is the only reason I haven't deleted this yet
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I still worry about metadata and slowly die inside because I can't change it.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
u ppl
― markers, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it would actually be kind of cool if they let you add your own tags to stuff. and maybe you could browse or search by friends tags, etc.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
basically one of these companies needs to buy lastfm and fully integrate it in with the actual music
I'd rather last.fm retooled Spotify than the other way around.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
well lastfm already failed at the streaming thing and got rid of their radio feature didn't they?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
They still have radio.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
At least in the US.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i use this to listen to new albums that i don't necessarily want to download -- pretty convenient imo
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i've starred over 2,500 tracks, many of which are things that i used to love to listen to at one time or another -- i can just put it on random & hit play and it's great
― markers, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also, yeah, when i start listening to new music again with any frequency i'll obv use this for that too. but right now it's 4 creed
― markers, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i've never been into playlists much myself -- i keep some for end of year listmaking purposes
i mostly don't have the patience -- actually did them some when i was in school for when ppl came over & shit but right now half of my playlists are shipley's decade lists \(o_O)/
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
and i play those from time to time
or my neptunes playlist
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:19 PM Bookmark
^^^
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I wanted to bump some Ryan Leslie the other day and they didn't have him tho. :/
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really listen to playlists front to back or even shuffled, i just have tons of playlists for organizational purposes... but I mostly just listen to random tracks.
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
like I'll listen to a full album if I'm the mood for a particular artist, or if it's a new album I'm just getting into, but I'm not one to listen to full albums all day
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah making playlists seems like too much work so i just star shit i like
― markers, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:53 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the best things is searching for an artist or producer and having it call up some random compilation you didn't know existed and then listening to it and realising said compilation is full of awesome shit.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, this. I trawl for new release albums, and add them to a "new albums unplayed list". (Well, actually, it's just become two lists: a fast-track and a slow-track.)
If I like the album, it gets moved to a "favourite new albums" list. If not, it gets shunted to a "new albums played" list.
Then if I really like the album, I buy it on CD, and move it to a "current albums I own" list.
It's all about self-organisation!
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 09:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I've hardly used iTunes since I got Spotify - it's great for sampling music I've been curious about but didn't have the drive to acquire and raiding other people's playlists. And then there's the nice feeling I get from it being completely -legal-.
― thinveneer, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Matt I second that about the comps
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
This. Selection is crap and interface/search is either broken or functional but hopelessly obscured and convoluted. But people sending you tracks/playlists - YES PLEASE FOREVER.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Things I'd really like to see: a widget for embedding playlists on web sites (playable by people with accounts who are logged in). And also a similar thing for facebook where you can post songs and people logged in can play them.
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
xp what is the problem with search functionality?
― ledge, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, as someone else said somewhere else, a chat room or something would just about obliterate turntable.fm etc.
― scotstvo, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xp You can share songs/albums/playlists to Facebook quite easily, though...
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
just click on 'share' underneath the name of the playlist
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― ledge, den 3 augusti 2011 16:47 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what bothers me the most is that they added all these label and year and genre search functions, but there's still no way to properly browse one label's output or a certain year for that matter
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Playlists, yes, but individual songs, too? xp
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Of all the aggregators for new releases, this is the best one I've found http://spotimy.co.uk/
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
otm. also great for an artist who has like 5 records out and I own and really like two of em, to backtrack and hear the others ...
― dmr, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Yes, individual songs and albums as well.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah and then if you do the label search, there doesn't seem to be a way to view all of the artists. You just get a limited number of artists listed up top with an ellipse and then a huge list of all of the songs below.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
this five-times rule kind of makes you confront mortality, like, i will only hear frank black's 'abstract plain' four more times in my life, if that
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I'm still not seeing how you share individual songs or albums to facebook...
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
if yr on a mac it looks like u can control click a song and select "share to..." (n.b. i haven't tried to actually share anything)
― markers, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Aha, yes, that works.
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
also while a track is playing it's in the lower left below the artwork. little arrow coming out of a box is their Share logo.
― dmr, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
it's probably been said here but the Stones section is worth it alone. soooo much.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Why does it keep crashing? I have to keep dragging it to my applications folder. Not sure if it's me o que.
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Friday, 5 August 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
uh i'm an idiot and just now turned on the facebook/social connection stuff. so much fun!
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
also, the point has been made a million times now, but it is mindboggling to me to think about how i listened to music 15 years ago compared to now. even 10 years ago, i was heavily into the mp3 stuff via audiogalaxy, but this is just...*pukes* holy shit. 2011 has a lot of problems but spotify ain't one
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
by the way, has anyone heard of Spotify?
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i just figured out the social thing too, if that makes you feel better. i also puked with mirth.
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Friday, 5 August 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i immediately switched my playlists off of public because because i don't have anything in shareable shape yet.
i'm trying to find it on the spotify website, but i can't - is there any limit on the number of playlists/subscriptions you can have with a free account? feel like i saw a limit somewhere but spotify isn't making it very clear.
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
does this have collaborative playlists yn
― markers, Friday, 5 August 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks to Spotify, I just learned there is a DFA remix of "Cupid Shuffle". OMGOMGOMG.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, apparently this is some deep house guy named Darryl James who uses the name DFA and has nothing to do with the label? This is still dope tho.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol spotify
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 5 August 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
does this have collaborative playlists yn― markers, Friday, 5 August 2011 04:17 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― markers, Friday, 5 August 2011 04:17 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
y - right-click on a playlist and select "collaborative playlist" then share/send the playlist link to anyone who wants to contribute.
― a million anons (onimo), Friday, 5 August 2011 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The mobile version + unlimited data package has genuinely changed my life all over again. I tend to listen to much more music on the move and I'm discovering so much already. Killing my phone battery though.
― Matt DC, Friday, 5 August 2011 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Is a Spotify membership a set length contract or can you cancel at any time?
― Jeff, Friday, 5 August 2011 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
You can cancel at any time.
― Matt DC, Friday, 5 August 2011 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Well that didn't take long.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 5 August 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ty onimo
― markers, Friday, 5 August 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
otm expect i got no problem w/ the selection. the playback design feels songbird-like in some very bad respects (is there a common-sense 'now-playing' queue i'm not seeing or are they really trying to foist a new playlist-only paradigm on people??) but the playlist sharing is as fluid as any service i've come across, like it wasn't even a feature i paid attention to but it may be the only reason i keep messing w/ it, fantastic. other than that sound quality doesn't seem to be there on mobile, compared to rhapsody at least, i could be wrong though.
― tremendoid, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
(is there a common-sense 'now-playing' queue i'm not seeing
it's on the left menu, under "play-queue"
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i guess i don't have it (windows version?). i know how to queue stuff but even then the way random search results, playlists, etc. get dumped to/overwrite what's there already is maddening. and there's only so much you can do under the hood, i get claustraphobic; must...customize...
― tremendoid, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
can a brother rearrange a column, somthing?
― tremendoid, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i have the windows version too. Are you sure you don't have it? on the left side of the screen, the second item on the list, beneath "what's new" and above "Inbox".
― future events are now current events (Z S), Friday, 5 August 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah i got play queue it just doesn't act the way it should i mean.
― tremendoid, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
so how does playlist sharing work for songs that aren't on spotify
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 August 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
www.muxtape.com
― Notinnymane (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Does that still exist?
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Saturday, 6 August 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
they just show up gray or are removed from the list depending on whether people have "display unplayable tracks" checked
if it's gray and you have the track, you can import it as a local file
― dmr, Saturday, 6 August 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
they only have the clean version of "get ur freak on," SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN
― get to drankin you shiftless fucks (reddening), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Simpson
― grey for me to poupon (crüt), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Does Spotify upload my local files to its servers ?
No. Local files that you have imported into Spotify are not uploaded from your computer.
You can share local music in the same way that you can with streaming music. However, the music will only be played if it can be matched with music that can be played by the other users that you shared with. That is, if the music is available as impoprted local music on their computer, or if it can be found in the Spotify streaming catalogue.
pretty weak, and i'm not talking about the typo!
― tremendoid, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, they just fixed the bug in the iPhone app that made it crash during new playlist creation, which was my biggest complaint.
Cool thing: when you creat a playlist on your home computer, it instantly turns up on your iPhone, without restarting the program or anything.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
doc pemberton, inventor of coca-cola, is not a welcome guest in the middle of beethoven's 7th symphony
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
hello this is john maus, please listen to my new album on spotify
― markers, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep, finally paying for my subscription. If only to keep shit like Amos Lee interrupting my Black Flag listening from ever happening again.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Monday, August 8, 2011 11:47 P
― markers, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck you spotify for inserting some Jack Johnson-alike in the middle of Bad Brains.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man the worst ad is the one w/ the dude who starts by saying PSST or something like that
guarantee you some ppl are going to be at their desks doing work and listening to music but not really paying attention to it, and they're going to flip out when that comes on
― markers, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
happily enjoying my $5 a month ad-free account, been listening to Otis Redding all afternoon.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/08/10/kicking-and-streaming-why-indies-tolerate-spotifys-minuscule-royalties/#more-52994
Ian Mackaye and others express their views re Spotify royalty payments
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
But guess what royalties Dischord Records gets from streaming services like Spotify? “They’re negligible,” says Ian MacKaye, the D.C. label’s co-owner and public face. Although specific deals are confidential, Spotify tallies its royalty payments in fractions of a cent per stream—meaning a label might only make a few dollars, even if tens of thousands users play “Waiting Room.”
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder what counts as a "play" for royalty purposes.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
rifftrafft NICK SYLVESTERinteresting fact: for 2617 streams on spotify last month, @mrdreamnyc made $15.83. if they had been itunes downloads? $1837.90.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting *strokes chin*
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
That's not a relevant comparison, though.
― timellison, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
An equivalent of an album selling 100,000 copies would mean over one million streams if everyone only listened to the album one time.
― timellison, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
sure, but do the rest of the math and it still doesn't look good. a million streams at a half cent each is only $5000. Whereas a 50 cent royalty on 100,000 album sales is $50,000. And clearly a lot of smaller artists aren't getting anywhere near a half cent. $15 for 2600 streams is like if the artist sold a single copy of an album and that person listened to it over 150 times which is pretty unlikely.
― the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's say it's only a quarter of a cent - $2500 for a million streams. Again, that's the equivalent of 100,000 listeners hearing the album one time. If, over the course of time, those listeners average ten listens, that's 25K from only 100,000 listeners.
― timellison, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
vs. 100,000 albums sales which would have made double or even quadruple that amount of money for the artist. Calculated based on your example of a 10 song album listened to 10 times, that works out to a 2.5 cent royalty per album sold.
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
oops, I mean 25 cents
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
25 cents for artist and label, seemingly. It will be interesting to see how labels deal with the percentage of that paid to artists.
― timellison, Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, labels get a chunk of that plus then the majors all own a piece of spotify itself so they win either way.
― the wheelie king (wk), Thursday, 11 August 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoever uploaded Young Gunz "Can't Stop Won't Stop" fucked up.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 11 August 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"fancy a beer?"
"wha? Fan Ci Dabeer?"
― Mark G, Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/08/11/indies-drop-spotify-and-spotify-responds/#more-53078
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 August 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe I should hold off before ponying up for a subscription, I don't want to pay in time for a bunch of labels to start jumping ship. I was afraid this was too good to be true.
Nice to see a Del Cielo reference though, loved those girls.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 11 August 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Hardly an avalanche of withdrawals though, is it? In the UK, indie representation is very high, and this goes right through to self-releases.
(One of the more notable non-participating labels here is Ministry Of Sound, so I am denied the opportunity to savour Example and Wretch 32... but I can live with that...)
― mike t-diva, Friday, 12 August 2011 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess Century Media just feels more like a big deal to me because I listen to a lot of metal, which was already an underrepresented genre on Spotify.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 12 August 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
If any of you guys in the US needs an invite, I apparently have a couple.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 13 August 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
No Royal Trux or Hagerty, just sayin
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Noticed the Royal Trux, Hagerty, and RTX problem yesterday. Hopefully they'll get on that.
― thinveneer, Friday, 19 August 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a big, serious problem, yes. Someone tell them
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that a Drag City issue? The label has its own distribution method for digital, right?
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 19 August 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
So I like Spotify, but I still like to own records. I feel like listening to stuff on Spotify feels like I am not invested in an artist in any personal way, and I guess that matters more to me than I thought. But if we're talking about just listening to happy hardcore at 9 in the morning, fine
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
xp-maybe
lord i hope they get drag city
― markers, Friday, 19 August 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Also lists seem cool, but I am having trouble finding more obscure lists and all the live versions and soundalikes annoy me (as the live versions on Last FM annoy me). WTF is with all the re-recorded Specials stuff? It's horrrible! Not a Spotify issue, but still
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Are there any like cool folks with good taste who publish regular playlists?
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems highly unlikely that Drag City will ever sign on for this. They're not on Rhapsody either. Would be a major coup if they did I guess?
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 19 August 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
no more holger czukay. fuckers.
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 20 August 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Biggest fail is this 10 minute song thing.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 20 August 2011 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the idea of Spotify but I just can't get into it. Maybe I'm just too short on time to waste (and I don't want to give up my other time-wasting habits), or maybe I just don't find it to be terribly user-friendly, or maybe the social aspect of it isn't very fun since none of my friends have joined or been invited to join.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
My only complaint is that I've noticed when I import my iTunes library, it replaces restricted catalogs like Apple with awful covers of the same songs. I just sat through bar band versions of Badfinger's "Baby Blue" and song track off Double Fantasy.
― Darin, Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
some of the bugs are pretty funny -- they were just trying to cut into baroness with a michelle branch ad, but it said it "couldn't play the track" or something, where "track" meant their ad
― markers, Saturday, 20 August 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
so i had to click on the next track in the album, and baroness just started playing again
I don't use this to play mp3s I have, just stuff I don't have.
― my brother's a basedgod (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Lately spotify hasn't had any of the stuff I look for on it, but there's enough stuff saved in my to-listen playlist that I can chill until I forget to care about those other things I can't find.
The social aspect has yet to be useful to me.
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
no Crass, no Angry Samoans... but they do have Michael Hurley's Bellemeade Sessions, which I had been looking for for years and had never heard.
― sleeve, Saturday, 20 August 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
there's quite a lot of hurley on there for some reason! hate how i can never tell what stuff is just on my drive and what i can link to though.
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 20 August 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
so, what is this?
currently listening to miles davis' "he loved him madly" and that's 32:12. is it a region thing? I'm in the US.
― original bgm, Monday, 22 August 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a metadata issue affecting stuff from universal music group iirc; it may be fixed at some point.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 22 August 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, thanks.
― original bgm, Monday, 22 August 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Where did ZE Records go?
― Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
10 minute limit means White Light/White Heat with no "Sister Ray"
― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm...even though I have Sister Ray in my iTunes I still can't play it in Spotify.
― Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 22 August 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, thats super annoying. Quite a few of those 10 minute plus tracks I actually have in my library can't be played.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 22 August 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't had a single problem with 10+ minute classical music
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Monday, 22 August 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone else seeing some kill rock stars shit on here now!!!
― markers, Monday, 22 August 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
awww yeah
more marnie stern, more elliott smith
feelin this tbh
― markers, Monday, 22 August 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
been loving this, have been playing a lot of 2011 music for the first time ie Cults.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
is anyone else having lots of "can't play next track" issues? it seems to be happening when it wants to play an ad but instead just stops playing everything all together.
― (gr8080), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, you just have to click on the next song or whatever
― markers, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i had the same problem, but i was trying to listen to music from a different room and was getting really annoyed that it seemed like i had to click on each song in order to hear it. that's kinda weird and not very useful.
― it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I get it too. makes the ads extra annoying. maybe that's the point!
― dmr, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, happening constantly for me as well
― original bgm, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, its definitely happening a lot more frequently.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it seems like i'm getting less ads when it happens tho-- i don't mind ads as much as i mind having to click to the next track LOL FIRST WORLD PROBS
― (gr8080), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone at Spotify central should figure at how to delete those songs properly instead of leaving these ghost tracks around.
― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Seems like they posted a message five hours ago about being glad to report that they will soon fix the "can't play current track bug" which is hopefully the very thing we are complaining about.
― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
bugs aside, they're basically killing it, so i don't care too much
― markers, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i would rather just click to play the next track instead of hearing those commercials.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
There is a distinct lack of Jonzun Crew on spotify. Sometimes I just want to listen to Jonzun crew, you know?
― metal spoons dipped in butter (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
cool they have War on Drugs!
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
this might come in pretty handy: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2103880/Spotify-The-Definitive-Music-Search-Engine-Guide
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I just spammed 60+ ppl with mass Spotify invites
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
The Internet really let me down there - I was convinced before I got to the end that the first comment was going to be "Paul Simon sucks!"
Handy wee guide though, thanks upto11
― Um yeah, hi, that's (onimo), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Hope they do fix it, because today it has been happening with every single ad.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay now it just happens every single track. Its like Spotify knows it hasn't played you an ad lately, so it just keeps trying after every single song.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, although it sucks, there are at least a handful of positive aspects as well. Like that one.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
loooool
― markers, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK YOU SPOTIFY
In order to give Spotify users the best possible experience, we’re constantly improving the Spotify desktop application. Every so often, these advances push Spotify beyond the capabilities of some older Macintosh computers.
In a few months’ time, this process will affect Macs with the following system properties:
OS version: Mac OS X versions earlier than earlier than 10.5Processor: PowerPC Macintosh (regardless of OS version)
(You can find information about your own Mac by accessing "About this Mac" under the Apple menu.)
We’re really sorry if you’re affected by this change. For the time being, you can still use Spotify on these Macs – you just won’t receive new feature updates. Ultimately, Spotify will cease to be available for these systems, but not just yet.
Kind regards,The Spotify Team
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it is really annoying when you hit clean versions of albums
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it'd be cool if there were some reverse parental controls type of feature where you could just say, if there's an explicit version of a song, give me the explicit version instead of the clean version
― markers, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep, fuck you Spotify. Now that I won't be able to use you on my home Mac you are completely useless to me. Kindly fuck off and I hope your business model is a failure.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yay Spotify, thank you for catering to me and my technology magpie demographic
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
jon why can't you use it on your home mac
― markers, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I'm not 100% sure until I get home, but I thought I had 10.4. Now that I've done a little research, I might be okay though. But still, think that pretty much sucks that they'd just say "WHOOPS SORRY YOU CAN'T USE IT AT ALL", rather than at least trying to allow a slimmed down version or something.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Who, in 2011, doesn't make their software at least a little backwards compatible?
Is it wrong to think this might be a little "fuck you" to Apple?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
why aren't you on 10.6?
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
That's why I retracted a bit, I think that is what I have. Whatever, I still think its a bit of a dick move.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
spotify requires leopard, which was released in fall 2007 -- that seems reasonable
― markers, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
It sucks, but at some point the diminishing returns of supporting older OS's and PowerPCs just don't make sense.
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I don't understand not being on the most recent stable OS, esp in the Apple world where OS updates cost like $30
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
like for Windows I totally get waiting until you upgrade the hardware since the OS upgrades are well over $100 but OSX is cheap
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm with you, I need to upgrade mine anyway.
I guess I just saw those numbers and thought they weren't going backwards as far as they actually are.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:07 PM
this is how i break it down to an extent -- i was on lion the day it was released
i do get that some ppl have their reasons for not upgrading right away though
― markers, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yes, that is why I said "stable"
not going to Lion until 2012
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM
Sorry Spotify, I still <3 you.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez they're up to 10.7 now? I never bothered to get Snow Leopard.
― dmr, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:07 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
My Intel mac doesn't allow it to go beyond 10.4
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
EXACTLY, and no I do not have money to buy even a used Mac from the last few years.
― sleeve, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
same with my gf. to add to the misery, i recently bought her an iphone, but she can't put music on it because it requires a version iTunes that her Mac can't handle.
― IT IS EXECUTION (Z S), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, you have an intel Mac that can't upgrade? I know the old power pc macs can't run certain software but I've never heard of an intel not being able to. Is it a ram thing? Ram is pretty cheap.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to believe that was a typo and he meant PowerPC.
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yep mine is a lol 800 MHZ G4. I'm guessing I only have a year or two before I'll be forced to upgrade in some way.
― sleeve, Saturday, 27 August 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
playing tracks w/o stopping today
― (gr8080), Saturday, 27 August 2011 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to tori amos' boys for pele, headphones on, volume up to hear nuance, then: BOOM DANCE REMIX OF "PROFESSIONAL WIDOW" SUBBED IN FOR REGULAR TRACK!! heart attack, dead.
― FLIP FLOPPING HILL BILLY! (reddening), Saturday, 27 August 2011 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
there's nothing more amazing than watching your friends cross-pollinate on playlists
(this came up because one of my wife's opera grad school classmates is subscribed to Chris V's new jack swing playlist)
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
haha.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
If that David Guetta ad doesn't get off my screen I'm going to say a bad word.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't wait until the get targeted ads that match up to what you listen to most often, tailored to your tastes a little better.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the michelle branch and trancey "day-o" cover (sort of) always have me lolin' tho.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh, those two ads always have me lolin', that is.
I mean, I know its because they only have like a small handful of ads to rotate at this point, but it would be nice if the ads that popped were at least in the same genre as what you are listening to. I'd much rather have, say, an Iron Maiden ad pop up when I'm listening to a Decapitation album than Tinie Tempah, y'know? So jarring sometimes.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a pretty easy way to get rid of the ads you know...
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I've found it VERY difficult to listen to ambient/improv stuff on spotify because of the ads. totally kills the vibe.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
can ppl REALLY not afford $5/month, cancelable at any time
― beemer douchebag (DJP), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Its not the affording part, its the waiting a little bit longer for some of the bugs to be worked out before I start paying for it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
my excuse is that I don't have smartphone that can run the spotify app.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:25 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
blatant first world problems-bait
― HOOSy woosies (history mayne), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
is there only free and premium to choose from in the us?
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I have experienced exactly zero (0) of the bugs complained about on this thread and I jumped on the $5 train immediately. I think the ads are what is screwing people up!
Alan: the smartphone functionality is the $10 subscription; $5 kills the ads and gives you unlimited access to the library (apparently there is some time limit implementation on the free subscription level...?)
see here: https://www.spotify.com/us/get-spotify/overview/
― beemer douchebag (DJP), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
basically if you want the "bugs" to go away, give them $5/month!
otfm
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yup the unlimited option is basically bug free, instead it's all about complaining about what albums they don't have
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
they got rid of all the arthur russell reissues apart from that love is overtaking me compilation
:'( wahhh
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
bummer.
so, do the albums they offer drop off and come back sometimes a la netflix instant watch?
― original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I think its still too early to tell, but honestly that is one reason I'm hesitant to pay for it still. I've created a couple different rolling playlists that keep getting shorter and shorter due to albums being removed. I get hesitant to pay for it when I keep logging in and seeing my playlists getting shorter and shorter.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yeh shitty having to pay for music eh, and i mean $5 for access to more music than you could listen to in a lifetime, pffff. that's what? the price of a beer?
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, stop being willfully obtuse about this. I have no problem paying for music, I but a lot more music every week than I probably should. I don't think its that ridiculous to want to make sure the labels and artists I care about remain on the service before I pay for it. There is a lot of stuff still up in the air about Spotify (i.e. labels pulling their catalogs) that I want to see where it goes before I commit. Don't make me out to be some freeloading asshole though, because thats not at all what I'm saying.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"I buy" not "but"
I just pay for premium and I have zero complaints
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not like you subscribe for the whole year, you can cancel your subscription whenever it turns to shit.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
its not a 'commitment' dude
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry guys didn't realize it was so important to you all that I immediately buy a premium subscription.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont have one bcuz i wouldnt use it but your excuses were bizarre
― D-40, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Its bizarre that they don't have a lot of what I want to hear?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Basically its this, I'm not yet impressed enough with the selection of some of the genres I'm most interested in. I'm sure as they move forward, they'll add more, and I'll happily pay at that point. I don't get why thats such a bizarre approach.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you guys subscribe to magazines in the hopes that someday they'll write articles you might be interested in reading?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I opted for the $5 plan after suffering through an hour of the ads. Yeah, it's imperfect (come on Drag City) but worth it. I just hope they don't get us hooked on the low price and then change things.
Haven't noticed songs disappearing from my playlists.
― thinveneer, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
pony up ffs jon it might get better!
― Frimpong iddle I po (onimo), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ "pony up, it might get better"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, and don't compare it to Netflix Instant. That is an abomination.
― thinveneer, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
so, do the albums they offer drop off and come back sometimes a la netflix instant watch?― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:42 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:42 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
Albums do come back as randomly as they vanish...most Kate Bush albums were gone for a long time but came back recently.
xp - I only have a vague idea of what Netflix Instant is
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, here's the thing. I love the functionality of Spotify and I think its on the way to being a great thing. Personally, as to my tastes and the music I'd be using it for, I just don't think its there yet. I sat down last week with a list of like 45 bands (mostly metal) that I wanted to use it to check out. Spotify had 6 of those bands. I created a separate playlist that had fifteen albums on it. As of today when I log in, only eight of those albums are available right now.
I'm sure it works great for you guys, I can 100% see the benefit. Its just not living up to my expectations yet. When its there, I'll pay with a smile. I don't think this a bizarre approach at all.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
That's weird. Were all those albums on the same label? That would piss me off too.
So far, the only benefit of Netflix Instant is that I've seen about 50 Japanese and South Korean horror movies.
― thinveneer, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i was like you jon for ages but over a year ago i decided to pony up and never regretted it.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
This is fair but the most recent thing you said was "I'm not paying money for something this buggy, I want them to fix it first"; I don't think "the 'bugs' you're talking about don't exist if you pay" is an unreasonable or irrational response!
― beemer douchebag (DJP), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I've found it VERY difficult to listen to ambient/improv stuff on spotify because of the ads. totally kills the vibe.gah SO super duper otm-- especially if it's Cody Simpson or whatever that stupid blonde boy is named. He is awful. Maybe he has been replaced by Tinie Tempeh or whatever. I might pony up if it means getting rid of them tbrr.
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I just paid the $5 to get rid of the ads. Will see if it's worth it over the next month.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I pay £5/month (way more than $5!) and couldn't imagine going back to the ads. Plus in the UK (and eventually in the US) your usage is capped on the free version.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It's already capped at 10 hours/mo. on the free version in the US.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hah REALLY? that is... nothing
― beemer douchebag (DJP), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
:0 -- did not know this. But I'm sure I've listened to more than 10 hrs this month -- hell, this week. xp
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Aha? I thought it only kicked in after 6 months once people are hooked.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, maybe it just keeps the 10hr slider up there but then doesn't stop you once you pass it. I never got that far...I just decided to pay the $5.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
You'd notice pretty quickly: 10 hours per month actually means you get 2.5 hours' credit every week.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I just tried to give them money for an upgrade and their payment processor kept timing out. Good work, Spotify.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I started paying for Premium last year when my listening started to be interrupted with Vote Conservative ads featuring David Cameron.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually the real reason to pay for Premium is for access to the best iPhone/Android app there is. By a mile.
The iPhone app drives me crazy for a few reasons. Not fault of spotify though, most of these are because of apple's limitations. Still, they restrict my joy of using the app.
-Can't use voice controls. I use these all time the time to tell me what song is playing so I don't have to take my phone out of my pocked.
-Since I do have to take my phone out of my pocket to see what is playing, I still can't see it from the lock screen. So I have to unlock the phone, pull up spotify if it isn't already just to see what is playing. Then I fall down the stairs while doing this or get hit by a car.
-Spotify doesn't always remember what playlist I'm playing. I'll start it up and then it will just be back at the listings of playlists.
-I wish playlists could be grouped by album. Not by album all in a list, but grouped where you would just see the album title and then tap to see the songs that lie within.
― Jeff, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I just want everything.
anyone try the droid app? looks like i'm getting a droid phone at work.
― original bgm, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I still can't see it from the lock screen. So I have to unlock the phone, pull up spotify if it isn't already just to see what is playing.
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Looks like the missing 10 minute + song problem is finally getting sorted. I see that The Orb's 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld' is now complete, but 'U.F.Orb' and a few others are still missing tracks.
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/topics/long_songs_are_missing#reply_6567132
We're working with Universal to get the tracks back, hopefully you'll see more and more of them coming online. If you still see ones that are missing please let us know and we'll highlight them to get solved (we're aware of Rush and the others posted already)
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Poor tortured rush fans.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
1) I hate when you can't buy something you heard on Spotify. Like, anywhere. Doesn't happen often, but it is frustrating.
2) Just noticed they have a "similar artists" option, making shopping easier. Why didn't I notice this before.
― Where Does My Pictures Go? (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The similar artists option is very useful, except in cases where the entire list is filled up with various solo projects by the band's members etc.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It's helping me with electronic music, because there is no way I have the time to sample everything on emusic. It's made shopping lightning quick!
― Where Does My Pictures Go? (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
See, I don't think its all that great when it comes to electronic music. Often when I read someone enthusing about an electronic act on ILM, I bring up Spotify to check it out and its most often not even on there.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
meant to say
Poor tortured rush fans. --Jeff
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
While the oaks just tweet "smh"
― beemer, I mean BIMMER douchebag (DJP), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually UMG have a lot of 70s prog in their rooster. They seem to have restored Caravan now (well, those few Caravan albums that are on Spotify at all), but still to get long tracks by Camel properly.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't know that happened when you swiped left to right on a song on IPHONE
― Crackle Box, Thursday, 8 September 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
If you hit the second button that appears, the one after the star, it adds the song to your play queue. Don't know how to see that queue, though
― I heard her POLL my mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
So this is incredibly annoying. Even if you have a premium account when Spotify needs to update, if it can't, it will just shut itself down and become inaccessible.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 16 September 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/22/spotify-is-no-longer-invite-only-in-the-us-and-users-get-their-first-six-months-of-service-free/
I’m sitting here at Facebook’s F8 conference with Spotify CEO Daniel Ek and he’s just told me that Spotify will no longer be invite-only in the US, and that the service will have no limitations (essentially be free) for an unpaid user’s first six months using the service — the clock will start ticking, and be retroactive, after a user signs up.This six months leeway will be available both internationally and in the US.
This six months leeway will be available both internationally and in the US.
― 44.9 percent indie rock individualist (onimo), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
iPhone app has been giving me grief since recent upgrade.
― When I Stop Meming (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
As long as I can still pay my $5.00 without any ads, I'm happy. I don't care that I didn't get a free period. Right now I'm listening to an album that I would happily pay $5 for (it's Rachel Brooke, Lonesome West - A Bitter Harvest and it's fantastic gothic Americana.) I have that experience nearly every day.
― thinveneer, Sunday, 25 September 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Oops - that would be Lonesome Wyatt.
― thinveneer, Sunday, 25 September 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
As posted over in the Facebook thread, you can now only sign up for Spotify if you have a Facebook account. Gross.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, this doesn't affect me because a) I already have an account and b) I do have a FB account, but, honestly considering cancelling my premium subscription on pure principle.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't want to encourage promising companies to tie themselves to Facebook so desperately.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
if on a future update they say that you cant proceed without a FB account then im out
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
It's hard to imagine a worse way to torpedo all the goodwill and momentum they had. Unconscionable if true.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
It is true, a real actual Spotify employee replied in that thread:
Hey Guys thanks for your question, Unfortunately you will need a Facebook account to access Spotify from now on, unless you already have an account set up.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
what a disaster for spotify
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
what a joke
― Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i have bs fb account set up jsut for this type of thing nbd
― Aerosol, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, I kind of think it is a bd if you have to go through the trouble of setting up a fake account at one service just to get access to a completely different service.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah this is a complete nightmare.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify guys must have finally seen "the social network" huh
― Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the faster sell-outs of the last years imho
― Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i have a skeleton fb account for these kinda things - simply says my name & dob, but otherwise no information whatsoever
I HAVE FRIENDS IN REAL LIFE
― kelpolaris, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
now FB will also know what music you listen to hooray
― Air Supply dwarf belts helpless Packers fan (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 September 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
So not looking forward to the constant comments on my Timeline from my relatives, "lol I've never heard of this band", "you listen to weird stuff lol".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Looks like that's what I'll be setting up. I loathe Facebook.
― thinveneer, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Fake FB accounts are essential, I use it more than my real account.
― raunch you raw (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 26 September 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Does Facebook pay them to do this or something?
― skip, Monday, 26 September 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
More like they probably pay Facebook for the "privilege".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 September 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
uh i don't think so--it's not in spotify's interest to limit how ppl log in unless they're getting comp from fb. maybe that comp is in the form of promotion value only but still.
isn't fb supposed to be rolling out a bunch of media integration? assume this is one of those.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 September 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think Facebook needs to pay them for exposing them to 750 million active users tbh. xxp
― 44.9 percent indie rock individualist (onimo), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep, supposedly rdio, MOG, and one other streaming service that I can't remember off the top of my head have all signed on with Facebook. Wonder if they will have similar restrictions.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Crap observational comic from 20 years hence: Hey guys, remember when we used to call Facebook the [air-quotes] "Internet"....?
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The whole Facebook thing is unfortunate. If you have your Spotify account connected to your Facebook, it now posts updates of every song you listen to on your news feed. It seems like there's no way to only turn this feature off.
I also tried to "share" a Spotify track on Facebook, but people have to have Spotify connected to their Facebook in order to play the track and I assume that a lot of people are disconnecting it because of the news feed thing. (I did.)
― timellison, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't 'get' Spotify. Hard drive space is essentially free these days, and you can download almost anything Spotify has
and the Spotify stream isn't CD-quality, right? you may as well just listen to the tracks on YouTube
so why use it, given the added annoyance of having it tell everyone on Facebook what you're listening to? i tried Spotify out a couple of times and haven't really found a use for it
― geeta, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
^
The cloud is just another name for download and delete. Why not just skip the second half?
― Jedmond, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Well the songs are properly licensed, if that's something you care about (obv not everyone does). The interface is also pretty slick. I can use it on my work computer. I can share playlists/tracks with my friends. None of these are dealmakers on their own but together they add up to an attractive package imo.
If you pay for Spotify Premium then the stream is supposed to be CD quality (or close to).
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i hate file management so i have no desire to download music
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
and that's what spotify is for
Considering Spotify's royalty rates, I'd say arguing that the songs are properly licensed is just being cruel. I prefer to support artists in a slightly more effective manner. And how much file management is required for itunes?
I'll admit that I'm in Australia where we have download limits, and so wasteful downloading strikes me as doubly unappealing. Still.
― Jedmond, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
it's okay for sampling albums before i buy.
once emusic goes to a streaming service (in addition to the subscription service), i'll likely stop using spotify.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the royalty rates MAKE SENSE. A half of a penny or so to play an mp3 one time? How much more should be paid?
A month or so ago, we had an exchange on here about what it would take to make $25,000 off of an album on Spotify. If the royalties are only a quarter of a cent, that's 100,000 listeners hearing a ten-track album a total of ten times each.
― timellison, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I know that Spotify royalty rates are small but they're certainly greater than zero. I still buy a fair amount of music as CDs and downloads but pre-Spotify there was no way I could legally and affordably listen to the wide range of music I now take for granted.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, it's going to be up to artists to negotiate good deals for themselves with streaming services. Record companies don't have to manufacture and distribute product and can take less.
― timellison, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
You can definitely have your Spotify account connected to Facebook without it updating your status/feed, it just means navigating the FB app settings, which are far from intuitive and I imagine most are unlikely to do.
― fffv, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, that's good to know.
― timellison, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Royalties are not 1/4 of a cent:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
― kinder, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Spotify doesn't post anything to my Facebook as far as I can see, even though it is connected to my FB account.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
so for 100K plays, the artist receives ... $29.00 (0.00029 per stream). the label receives ... $160.00 (0.0016 per stream). no artists or labels are getting rich from spotify, regardless of how shrewd or tough they are in negotiating deals with the service.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
OTOH this guy claims €0.004 per stream: http://www.spotidj.com/blog/?p=264
Though I thought that Spotify royalty rates weren't fixed, and that artists on major labels got more than those on indies?
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a gold mine. all you need to do is get your song streamed 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
there are a LOT of ways artists/labels collect royalties besides sales (radio, TV, performance at live venues). there's no reason streaming should be any different or should produce a huge income to justify its existence as a legal source of revenue.
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i use spotify all the time
― markers, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you, personally, are providing a living wage to indie artists across america.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
lol :)
― markers, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Big discrepancies with the numbers here! This Billboard article claims that the typical interactive royalty rate is between a half cent and one cent per stream:
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/news/e3iecb83415cefdd2b0a43399437dff3e5f
― timellison, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I've got exactly one FB friend with that setting turned on. I was wondering why he saw fit to recommend all that stuff.
― When I Stop Meming (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
half of the links about royalty rates people have been posting are from like 2009 and 2010, well before Spotify launched in the U.S. -- i'm sure the rate has and will continue to change
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
and that it's not the same in the U.S. as it is in the U.K. even taking into account exchange rates
will soon be 0.000029 per stream.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh if you stream music you've already purchased before (i'm on a netbook without local music files ~75% of the time), it's a tiny stream of bonus money going to artists you like.
― FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I do that as well.
― When I Stop Meming (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
The Stevie Wonder poll, all by itself, will buy him a pack of gum.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember reading that spotify had ~750,000 users at some point recently. im guessing they're hoping they can make this 750 million within the next few years. 750 million people paying a £10 monthly subsription to stream music and share it with their friends, if managed properly, would do a lot of good for the industry imo.
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i hate file management so i have no desire to download musicMy thoughts, exactly. I sit in front of a company computer for ten hours every day. They wouldn't be thrilled about me downloading and saving albums on their machine.Spotify boosts my listening library at work exponentially. And it's fun to make and share playlists. I just tried to edit the post settings in my fb apps, I hope it works.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link
If you have your Spotify account connected to your Facebook, it now posts updates of every song you listen to on your news feed. It seems like there's no way to only turn this feature off.
http://lifehacker.com/5843847/how-to-keep-spotify-from-broadcasting-your-music-taste-to-all-of-facebook
I actually quite like this feature and enjoy being able to lol at my friends trying to listen to the Kooks in private.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I sit in front of a company computer for ten hours every day. They wouldn't be thrilled about me downloading and saving albums on their machine.
That is exactly what Spotify does. It also uploads them to other users in your area requesting the same tracks.
― 44.9 percent indie rock individualist (onimo), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:24 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
oh thanks i am definitely doing this!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, I listen to music for a significant portion of my work day and spotify has been a very convenient way to keep an influx of new stuff going while I'm away from my personal music stash.
facebook news is supremely irritating tho.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Editing it from the apps worked for me fwiw
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify Needs U.S. Success After Losses Deepened In 2010
― Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.themusicvoid.com/2011/10/the-awkward-unanswered-questions-that-led-to-coldplay%E2%80%99s-spotify-embargo/
So if more big acts do this spotify is fucked.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 31 October 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
it links to http://paidcontent.org/article/419-the-awkward-unanswered-questions-that-led-to-coldplays-spotify-embargo/ (dont worry the article is all there)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 31 October 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link
loads of stuff has been removed since it went live in the US, all tzadik seems to have gone for example :'(
― Crackle Box, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, really disappointing with the way things continue to trend.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
in the not too distant future... no dance music, no new releases, no big hits, only major label stuff that's stopped selling on itunes
still worth it for the classical and jazz if you're into that, but ehhhh. my spotify evangelising is over
― Crackle Box, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
And yet loads of new stuff is added every day afaict. It's hard to keep a count, but there's probably been about 150 new albums from this year alone that I've been interested in enough to check out at least once.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm still finding more stuff on grooveshark these days:-/
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, I won't argue that more and more new stuff is being added, but I'm finding that a lot of it doesn't really align with my tastes.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah -- "more" in my case means "more of what i want to hear"
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
My biggest problem with both grooveshark and spotify is that, as of right now, I can't wirelessly connect either to my Airport.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
what you need is airfoil? have you tried that? works for me.
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds move magically from outer space to the speakers of my 1993 college stereo in the other roomit is amazing
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I do need that, I'd just been hoping to find a free option before I ponied up the $25 - but it seems like my best option at this point.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The spotify app has been bad recently. It will hang and crash every time I start it and make me login again. Reconsidering my subscription. Which is a shame because I've listened to it a lot.
― Jeff, Monday, 31 October 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
iPhone app eventually creates huge data footprint even if I have hardly anything set to offline access so I have to delete it every once in a while and redownload it.
― Mayne of Fules (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― Jeff, den 31 oktober 2011 15:35 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you mean the desktop app? i've had the same problems. getting kinda bored with this.
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
No, iPhone app. Haven't had issues (yet) with the desktop app.
― Jeff, Monday, 31 October 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15524852
Virgin Media has released the details of its promised partnership with the Spotify music service.New customers buying Virgin's 30Mbps or faster broadband package in the UK will receive six months of free access to Spotify's premium service.Existing subscribers will get the same offer when they renew their contracts.Experts believe the bundle will help Spotify compete against Apple's iTunes music store, and other streaming services such as Deezer.Spotify Premium usually costs £9.99 a month. Spotify claimed musicians will also benefit."Telecoms companies moving into the music space increases revenue streams to the music industry and provides benefits for fans and artists alike," said Andreas Liffgarden, Spotify's global head of telecom business development.Virgin Media said it will also waive related data charges for Virgin Mobile customers using the offer.Customers who take up the deal can listen to an unlimited number of music tracks, including exclusive content, on either their computer or mobile handsets.Virgin Media says it also plans to let owners of its Tivo video recorders stream Spotify's music directly to their television sets at some point in the future.CompetitionThe announcement comes a month after the French streaming music provider, Deezer, announced a similar tie-up with the mobile network Orange."It helps the firms automatically boost their subscription numbers overnight," said Chris Cooke, business editor at the CMU music news service."One would assume that both may be looking to sell out or float their stock at some point in the future, and this will build confidence."Spotify may also benefit from the opportunity to reach an older audience than it typically appeals to, especially if the new users take out a subscription once the promotion period ends.However, previous efforts to link music and telecoms packages have not always proven fruitful.BSkyB closed its music service, Sky Songs, at the end of last year. It said it had been "unable to reach a large enough customer base" for its £4.99 per month offer."We think the dynamic route to market is the mobile one, like Deezer's with Orange," said Alice Enders, music expert at Enders Analysis."Selling music subscriptions to broadband households has the problem that the account holder isn't necessarily the one who listens to the most music."Free offers often promote experimentation, but it can be hard to get people to dig into their pockets afterwards."
New customers buying Virgin's 30Mbps or faster broadband package in the UK will receive six months of free access to Spotify's premium service.
Existing subscribers will get the same offer when they renew their contracts.
Experts believe the bundle will help Spotify compete against Apple's iTunes music store, and other streaming services such as Deezer.
Spotify Premium usually costs £9.99 a month. Spotify claimed musicians will also benefit.
"Telecoms companies moving into the music space increases revenue streams to the music industry and provides benefits for fans and artists alike," said Andreas Liffgarden, Spotify's global head of telecom business development.
Virgin Media said it will also waive related data charges for Virgin Mobile customers using the offer.
Customers who take up the deal can listen to an unlimited number of music tracks, including exclusive content, on either their computer or mobile handsets.
Virgin Media says it also plans to let owners of its Tivo video recorders stream Spotify's music directly to their television sets at some point in the future.Competition
The announcement comes a month after the French streaming music provider, Deezer, announced a similar tie-up with the mobile network Orange.
"It helps the firms automatically boost their subscription numbers overnight," said Chris Cooke, business editor at the CMU music news service.
"One would assume that both may be looking to sell out or float their stock at some point in the future, and this will build confidence."
Spotify may also benefit from the opportunity to reach an older audience than it typically appeals to, especially if the new users take out a subscription once the promotion period ends.
However, previous efforts to link music and telecoms packages have not always proven fruitful.
BSkyB closed its music service, Sky Songs, at the end of last year. It said it had been "unable to reach a large enough customer base" for its £4.99 per month offer.
"We think the dynamic route to market is the mobile one, like Deezer's with Orange," said Alice Enders, music expert at Enders Analysis.
"Selling music subscriptions to broadband households has the problem that the account holder isn't necessarily the one who listens to the most music.
"Free offers often promote experimentation, but it can be hard to get people to dig into their pockets afterwards."
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 31 October 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
complete* FELT collection now up!
*no 'Snakes Crinkle..' but hey.
― piscesx, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I canceled a couple of weeks ago, it won't be compatible with Tiger soon anyway.
― sleeve, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Missing question from their FAQ: "How do I play a track?"
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a reason why I'd want to sync my ipod to Spotify? As far as I can tell it would just result in fewer songs on my ipod.
Also, I'm trying to figure out what would be the best portable device to use with itunes and spotify. I have pretty big libraries in itunes and spotify and I'd love to have a single device that can play all that stuff together, but my options seem to be limited to a really large ipod that can't run the spotify app or a smaller ipod touch that wouldn't be able to hold all of my mp3s. Are there other options I haven't considered?
― Moodles, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Some sort of large capacity android-based mp3 player? If they exist.
― oppet, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
does android support itunes?
― Moodles, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
oh I don't think so actually. I overlooked that.
― oppet, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
is it now normal that one gets up to three ads played in a row, with no "extended listening" compensation later on? dudes really ramped up on the coca-cola ads.
― chaningning tatumtum (kelpolaris), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"extended listening" compensation? Dude, if you're listening is that extended, give them money!
― scotstvo, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
after getting my classical playlist interrupted over and over again with "Walk This Way", I finally gave in and subscribed.
― Moodles, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
they need to work on the programming for the "radio" featurehttp://i.imgur.com/Ua7gF.png
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 5 November 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah get the taake and D.O. the hell outta there!
― (Algerian Goalkeeper) Vs (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
The Spotify page for James Last and his Orchestra has some unexpected related artists.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Saturday, 12 November 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Mobile app has been updated. Finally shows song title/album art on the lock screen. That was a huge complaint of mine previously.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Update on the makeup ads:
Since I changed my gender to male in my profile, I have gotten lots of ads for pants that don't sag, and music I would never listen to (David Guetta) but no ads for makeup. Not a one!
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
try listening to Adam Lambert or Fall Out Boy for a while and see if the makeup ads come back
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
I'd rather not, tbh. does it keep a record of which ads i've received somewhere that i could check out later?
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
So I'm absolutely loving Spotify Premium. No, it doesn't have everything. And there are features I wish made a little more sense.
But the ability to basically condense years of record collecting into a few hours of playlist creation is seriously inspiring. And ILM can be a critical resource. For instance, the other day I trawled through a few King Tubby and dub threads to put together an essential King Tubby playlist. And where something like that would have taken, literally, years of collecting in record stores, with all sorts of duplication and mis-credited stuff, I was able to put six hours of music together in about 3 or 4 hours on my phone.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
link pls
― What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
I've weirdly got a completely different-looking version of Spotify at work now than I do at home. Wondering if it's a Mac vs PC thing, like maybe newest version is only on PC for now? Dunno. Tried to run an update at home (I kinda like the new version) but it didn't change anything.
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Did my regular delete and reinstall on my iPhone yesterday.
― What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also loving Premium. In a matter of weeks my music collection went from ~10,000 to ~20,000 tracks, and all the new stuff has been great. I liked it so much, I bought a new ipod touch to replace my 7 year old ipod, and now use it for only Spotify, no iTunes.
My only concern is that I'll quickly fill up the new ipod with offline files and Spotify is going to make it difficult to clean those up when I want to. Anyone have any experience with deleting offline files from a mobile device?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. My experience is they don't quite go away, requiring a periodic delete and reinstall of the app.
― What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
I like sifting through the stuff, but then I care a lot about oldies (those comps are expensive on CD)...if you have a regular 9 to 5 it has to be tough, though!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, and I tried that radio - great feature but more for novices.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I remember the only time I needed to free up space, I toggled the "offline" switch but it didn't instantly free up space for me. Maybe took a few syncs? I can't recall. But the next time I thought to check, the space was freed without me having to delete or reinstall anything.
I too love spotify premium but I wish there were some way for interoperability between spotify and itunes...which is demanding too much, I guess. I have a bunch of mutually exclusive songs -- songs that I either can't get on itunes but can on spotify, or songs that I have in my itunes that are not available on spotify. And since most of the ppl I know are not on spotify, the social aspect of it is rather limited at this point...
― rayuela, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/user/124420673/playlist/6MvzKDgECGZBNUEuIEGRxB
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Thanking you, NTI.
― What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Rayuela, I dealt with similar problems between itunes and spotify. The biggest problem I found was that Spotify doesn't allow you to sort a list by whether or not the track is available in Spotify, so I ended up looking through my entire Local Files list and taking any track where the song title was greyed out and placed those into their own Not In Spotify list.
You can also import your iTunes playlists into Spotify, which could be helpful.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
But if I'm correct, you can't export Smart Playlists in which is sort of a bummer.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
I've weirdly got a completely different-looking version of Spotify at work now than I do at home.
and of course today it appeared on my home computer! I've had it on my work PC for weeks though. guess it takes them a long time to roll things out.
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
Adding some kind of Smart Playlist function would be very nice indeed.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
thanks moodles, i had somehow convinced myself that the local files function wasn't usable on the mobile app but realized that it's totally possible!
it would also be nice if we could subscribe to ppl's lists of starred songs like any other playlist.
― rayuela, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^ yeah this!
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kinda bumming that so many 60's singles claim to be the original versions but are instead horribly produced "re-recordings." And then the next 15 times the song appears in the artist's discography it's the re-recorded version, with the original version appearing only once or twice usually buried somewhere towards the bottom. The re-recording is usually the one that shows up in the artist's "top tracks" and in some cases the original isn't there at all.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
How do people organize their Spotify playlists? I was just making playlists here and there (Johnny Cash on American, King Tubby, etc.), but I saw Geir's (yeah, I know)and was sort of stunned to see how tightly he had them organized.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
I was making playlists by artist if they had more than like two albums I wanted to save
the rest I throw into bigger group playlists by genre
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
also have a playlist called Mobile that's only the stuff I want on my phone. checking and unchecking all the other individual playlists to mark them as offline or online got to be a pain so I found it easier just to drag stuff on and off one list that's always marked for offline.
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I have a "Spotify Offline" playlist I usually put all the stuff I want to take with me as well.
I like the "Not in Spotify" playlist idea where you drag all the stuff from your iTunes it doesn't have. One of the reasons I was asking about smart playlists is that I stopped syncing my iTunes manually a while ago with the idea that I could use smart playlists to sync the newest stuff, stuff I rate highly but haven't played enough, etc. But as of now, Spotify won't import those.
So I'm still using both Spotify and iTunes, which may not be the worst thing -- but I like the idea of doing it all in one place. It also means that if I rip a disc for the express purpose of putting in a Spotify playlist, I have it on my phone twice.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
I have my lists organized to an insane degree, probably need to pare it down a lot. I mostly listen to the Spotify Only folder when online, and the Offline Lists folder when offline. My Lists would be my music collection overall.
DJ MixesMy Lists |- iTunes A-J (in Spotify lib.) |- iTunes K-Z (in Spotify lib.) |- iTunes, not in Spotify |- Spotify Only |-Disco |-R&B |-Electronic |-DnB |-Ghost Box |-Dubstep |-Electro |-Techno |-Rock |-60s |-80s |-Indie |-Lux and Ivy's Favorites |-120 minutes |-70s |-Prog and Metal |-Jazz |-ILM Jazz Album Top 250 |-Sun Ra |-New Jazz |-classical |- Hip Hop |-ILM all time rap albums 1-50 |-ILM all time rap albums 51-100 |-StonedOffline Lists |-Electronic |-My Favorites (itunes) |-Classical |-Rock |-70s |-Indie |-60s |-Lux and Ivy's Favorites |-Jazz |-2011 Music
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
ok, that came out crazy without all the formatting and indenting that I expected
Awesome. So have you ditched iTunes altogether?
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
i throw everything i'm unfamiliar with into one big playlist folder (recommendations I get from ppl, bands I want to check out) and listen to it randomly on shuffle when I feel like it. This is because I'm horrible at actively listening to songs that are recommended -- they usually have to sneak up on me when I'm not expecting it. When I hear a song I like, I star it, which is the only offline playlist I have. And usually the 3 or 4 bands I'm really into at the moment get their own playlists.
I've found that since I got spotify, I hardly use itunes for anything but podcasts.
― rayuela, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Besides specialised playlists like my disco compendium I have:
- a list of things I want to listen to but haven't made up my mind about yet- lists of my favourite albums/tracks of the year (useful come EOY time)- a big list of jazzy/spacey/droney/percussive music for working to
That plus Outloud covers most of my listening these days.
― Angrrau Birds (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
people probably know about this, but my computer has a mute button, and if i mute my computer while spotify is running an ad, it pauses the ad until i unmute my computer! it's so obnoxious!
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
So far, with the new ipod, I haven't loaded anything to itunes, just to spotify. I hope that I won't have to use itunes, but it is too soon to tell.
I'll probably still use itunes on my computer if I get new CDs or mp3s as it does a good job of organizing my hard drive, but then I'll bump that all to spotify for listening.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
that is diabolical
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
smash your speakers -- it won't notice
― markers, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
when i use spotify i usually hook it up to my receiver and speakers, and then when the ads come on it doesn't notice if the receiver is muted. it does notice when the computer is muted, yep, and it truly is diabolical.
― Z S, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
BONOBOS
all my ads are for bonobos now
― La Lechera, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
your pants must sag. me too.
― san lazaro, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
you deserve to look fantastic
― La Lechera, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
is anyone else having problems connecting to spotify today?
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's been weird for the past two days for me
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
it says i'm in offline mode.
i want to be in online mode.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i just had to quit/restart and if that failed try again later
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
ok word that worked.
still being a little weird but i am "online"
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
right now i'm online but cant see my friends/facebook ppl
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it was my connection! interesting that other people are experiencing the same.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
- a big list of jazzy/spacey/droney/percussive music for working to
Link? :)
― skip, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
404 cant log in /:
― ☂Ṳη∃➸¥ѦґḎṧ, ω ℌ ◎ к ḯ ʟ ʟ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
nvm i was just entering the wrong password ):
― тυᾔε➸ƴαґ∂﹩, ωн☺кїℓʟ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
that'll do it.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 20 January 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's a lil fucked up right now, yes
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 January 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
what happened to "top tracks" and "top albums"? i was enjoying that feature.
― billstevejim, Friday, 20 January 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
they're under Top Lists, in the Apps section in the left-side menu
― Aglet, Friday, 20 January 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
should be under the 'apps' section of the sidebar
― ☂ʊηε✏ƴ@яḓṧ, ẘ♄øк☤ʟʟ (diamonddave85), Friday, 20 January 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
the new version is a lot better at doing recommendations on the opening What's New screen. two things just popped up on there that I'll definitely listen to today (Todd Terje's EP and the new GBV record)
― dmr, Friday, 20 January 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
I meant the top tracks and top albums that I listen to... I don't really care about everyone's top tracks/albums. I wish they would keep track of the number of listens in a way that was easier to retrieve.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 21 January 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
That was one of the only features on iTunes that I really liked.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 21 January 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
Etta James memorial playlist on Share My Playlist, which find helpful when I want to put an hour or two of songs on. Who Sampled Whom is also fun if you like hip-hop based playlists!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 21 January 2012 11:05 (twelve years ago) link
I meant the top tracks and top albums that I listen to...
you go under top lists in the app section and then where it says "Everywhere" or "In the U.S." you change the drop-down to "For Me"
― dmr, Saturday, 21 January 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
the back/fwd buttons are greyed out on the desktop app I'm running at work. I even have a pay account. what gives? anyone else have this problem?
― original bgm, Monday, 23 January 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
The greyed out buttons are a bug with the last release. I only get it when I queue tracks using 'Right Click + Queue.' The buttons work fine if I play an entire playlist or album without queuing it.
The bug was reported a month ago, but they don't seem to be doing anything about it. it's annoying as hell.
― fffv, Monday, 23 January 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
huh I don't have that bug at all
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
I get it both on my PC at work and my Mac at home. it's easy enough to just click on the next track to skip something, but it would still be nice to see it fixed. judging by the number of people who have reported it, I must be in the minority.
― fffv, Monday, 23 January 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
ah, yes. I mostly queue big playlists that I work through over the course of the day, so that's why I didn't even realize that the buttons appear when you don't queue. it IS annoying as hell!
thanks for the info!
― original bgm, Monday, 23 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
this weird thing where Spotify recommendations turn into Facebook messages is kind of creeping me out
― Chaka Collar, lemme rock you (DJP), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
I still don't quite get how Facebook and Spotify work together. Like, there are obvious and easy ways to control and group what posts on Facebook -- but right now, it seems like every single thing you play gets posted as a status update...or nothing does. Or at least, I think that's how it works -- because I can't really figure out how to track it.
I'll tell you tho: Spotify should just go out and buy Last.FM. Those two technologies are perfect for each other.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
oo good point
― lukas, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16755449
Singers and bands who withhold their albums from music streaming services, such as Spotify, are in danger of alienating their fans, an executive from record label Universal has said.Acts including Adele and Coldplay kept their latest albums off Spotify, which is seen by some as damaging sales.But Francis Keeling, vice president of digital at Universal Music, said such acts risk "alienating their fanbases".Universal is the world's most successful record label.Adele's track Rolling In The Deep was the most-played single of 2011 on Spotify UK, but the star has withheld the complete album, 21 - released by the XL label - from the service.Coldplay's manager Dave Holmes recently told Bloomberg Businessweek that the band's Mylo Xyloto, released on EMI, would be on Spotify eventually.But he said: "I am very concerned. Spotify competes with download stores."The Black Keys and Tom Waits are among the other high-profile acts who have kept their latest releases off streaming services.Black Keys frontman Dan Auerbach told Billboard magazine that the royalties from streaming services were "so minuscule it's laughable"."It's a cool thing to have if you're in a new band and you want to be heard," he said. "But if you are a bigger band that's already known and you rely on record sales for a living, then it's really no place to be."Universal has said its research proved that Spotify did not cannibalise sales, and Mr Keeling said the label negotiated with artists on a case-by-case basis."Over time, we're trying to convince our artists that streaming services are the right thing to do and these services should be supported," he said, according to PaidContent.Mr Keeling was speaking at the label's Investors' Open Day in London, where Spotify announced that it now had three million paying subscribers, with approximately 12 million more using its free service.
Acts including Adele and Coldplay kept their latest albums off Spotify, which is seen by some as damaging sales.
But Francis Keeling, vice president of digital at Universal Music, said such acts risk "alienating their fanbases".
Universal is the world's most successful record label.
Adele's track Rolling In The Deep was the most-played single of 2011 on Spotify UK, but the star has withheld the complete album, 21 - released by the XL label - from the service.
Coldplay's manager Dave Holmes recently told Bloomberg Businessweek that the band's Mylo Xyloto, released on EMI, would be on Spotify eventually.
But he said: "I am very concerned. Spotify competes with download stores."
The Black Keys and Tom Waits are among the other high-profile acts who have kept their latest releases off streaming services.
Black Keys frontman Dan Auerbach told Billboard magazine that the royalties from streaming services were "so minuscule it's laughable".
"It's a cool thing to have if you're in a new band and you want to be heard," he said. "But if you are a bigger band that's already known and you rely on record sales for a living, then it's really no place to be."
Universal has said its research proved that Spotify did not cannibalise sales, and Mr Keeling said the label negotiated with artists on a case-by-case basis.
"Over time, we're trying to convince our artists that streaming services are the right thing to do and these services should be supported," he said, according to PaidContent.
Mr Keeling was speaking at the label's Investors' Open Day in London, where Spotify announced that it now had three million paying subscribers, with approximately 12 million more using its free service.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 27 January 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
and coldplay,black keys etc wonder why people download their stuff for free
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 27 January 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
I can see their point, if the royalties are as bad as people say, can't you?
People download all sorts of stuff for free, regardless of whether or not it's popular or available on Spotify.
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
is there a differentiation to be made he about records you'd like to hear and records you'd like to own? casual fans vs hardcore fans? or is owning stuff something you did in the past?
― koogs, Friday, 27 January 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
*made here*
Spotify is such a ridiculously good thing, not having classic rockers and such can be annoying (especially those re-recordings)...but people would have chopped off their right arm to have this kind of access twenty years ago!
Used and discounted CDs are cool for me right now, just upload the thing and you can mix it with Spotify...
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify needs to make some concessions around royalties for more popular acts. I could imagine them using a sliding scale where the royalty rate increases if a track exceeds a certain threshold of plays. I don't see this as an insurmountable problem over the long term.
― Moodles, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
Totally agreed.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone had any issues with offline syncing to a device recently? My wifi connection at home is fine (minimum 1mb/s) but Spotify behaves like I'm on dial-up, taking about ten minutes to add a single track. Doesn't stream well either, unless I'm on 3G.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's always been fine with me, i take it you've tried un-syncing then re-syncing again?
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
or it could be an issue with your mobile device and a firewall blah blah
so i have spotify in my dock (mac os x lion), and whenever i click on the icon, another spotify icon appears in the dock, and it's that icon that gets the little blue light under it saying the program's running or whatever, while the original spotify icon i clicked just sits there. is there a way to fix this? not a big deal but it's weird
― markers, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I synced some tracks the other day and it worked like normal.
― dmr, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
so... no one really uses the "recommend things to ppl" features other than me, right
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
some of my friends use it.
thanks for sending me underworld yesterday, i really enjoyed it!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
Is that the same as the inbox? Someone (hi jim!) once sent me a whole cliff richard album.
― ledge, Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
woot awesome!
Is that the same as the inbox?
Yeah; it seems like most of my friends had a flurry of "omg cool!" for a week and now I'm the only dork still sending tracks/albums to people
(that's okay though because that is precisely the mantle of dorkdom I choose to take up)
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
i do this with one or two people. love finding a song in my inbox that someone has heard and thought I would appreciate.
― Upt0eleven, Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
Dan, have sent something to you.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
listening now, thanks!
oh this is pretty cool
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
not 100% convinced by the singer but the gothy overtones in the music more than make up for it
(song in question for those curious: http://open.spotify.com/track/189gb58kHUdS5MdLBcz18f)
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
A complete stranger sent me a track via Spotify Inbox last week, because he had found and enjoyed one of my playlists. This made me happy.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, thought the vocals might be the stumbling block. He's actually rather restrained on the new album', he was very Beefheart-ian on their earlier stuff.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 2 February 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
Cheers Dan, sadly it came up with a not available in your region warning. Having said that I'm familiar with the track from the album and it's terrific.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Shabazz Palaces - ' An echo from the hosts that profess infinitum' btw
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
just cancelled spotify premium for the billionth time. i always waffle between whether paying $10/month is worth it and sometimes i think it's totally worth it, and other times I think I should just put the $10 toward some bills. let's see how long till not having access on my phone will get to me...
― rayuela, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
soo it turns out that if you cancel spotify premium while your iphone app is on "offline mode", you can continue to listen to all those songs you marked for offline listening until spotify automatically goes back in online mode in xx number of days.
― rayuela, Friday, 3 February 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
Just trying the Soundrop app, which works from within Spotify and lets you set up collaborative listening rooms - a bit like Outloud, but tracks with the most votes from the room get played first. There's an iPhone app, but you can't see other people's user-generated rooms.
Take a look: http://open.soundrop.fm/s/VrrEtGY3yyQaHUHa
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 4 February 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Trying Soundrop again while I do the ironing - please feel free to interfere and disrupt: http://open.soundrop.fm/s/Vrr02QEOWXaDDJOo
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 5 February 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Would like to joinm in but it needs a facebook account. Still always nice to hear 'Snooze 4 Love'.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
enjoying this specific session, but i do wonder whether the voting thing could get a little annoying - prefer the outloud set-up of just queuing stuff up.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if a certain faction only likes one sort of music then they all vote en-masse for it and it could get very samey.of course if you only want one form of music played that faction could set up their own room
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Just clicked on the African room and Jack Peirson has added Nigger Hatin' Me by Johhny Horton.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
If everyone agrees not to vote then I assume it's the same as an Outloud queue.
― two lights crew (seandalai), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah true
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
mikes got a nice wee room going come join us
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
the dubstep room is by far the biggest room. 379 listeners just now, lol.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 6 February 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
No way to use this in Canada, eh?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 6 February 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
Started this thread Bump This Thread if you have an ILM Spotify Soundrop Room goinggot a funk/soul/disco room going just now if anyone would like to join. Link is in that thread.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
the overlay ads are freezing & crashing the entire app, i may pay up just so that i can use it properly
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
by the way, it seems sort of dumb that spotify and last.fm aren't.. the same thing
haha OTM
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
i started a post on http://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/topics/doom_black_metal_public_rooms_please asking for more subgenre rooms, the viceroy replied too. Could maybe you all reply to the thread agreeing with us and ask for what genre rooms you would like? (djp if you say the metal subgenre rooms are a great idea i'll back you up on 80s goth and 80s industrial!, deal?) :)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
i figure the more who post on the thread the more notice they will take. It would be much appreciated if you all do.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
posting
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
I listened to the dubstep room this morning, and it sucked.
They need more electronica rooms in general, plus maybe more than one hip-hop room.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Trucks of my Tears (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/user/barackobama/playlist/6J9kgSvipjimfDLYTsCOAv
― Aerosol, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
well then post on my thread and ask.
i did post on another thread , as did viceroy http://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/topics/more_stations-16k1lj
i suggested a drop down submenu for each genre where subgenre rooms could go
Maybe if when you click on the Metal room in main list it could bring up a sub-menu that asks if you want to join a Doom ,or Black or Death,Heavy,Industrial,Thrash etc roomSame with indie - it could have a submenu with all the subgenres. This way the main page could be kept nice n tidy?And of course with the various other genres like Electronic et al
as in the metal room there's arguments over metalcore/deathcore/borecore/death metal/black metal/grey metal/nu metal/old metal and so on. Its bound to be the same in Indie or Electronic or Country and every genre on there.just having one metal/country/indie/electronic etc room is no use.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
so the best way to make it happen is to post on one of those threads. The more who actually post on a thread the closer it rises to top of the page and will get noticed by employees of soundrop
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 February 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
or CBS buy Spotify?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
:( Canada.No way to use this in Canada, eh?― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, February 6, 2012 5:42 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, February 6, 2012 5:42 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I use Spotify in Canada with a VPN. My employer pays for it, but they are not really expensive and totally worth it. Can't get Spotify premium though... need a US billing address and credit card for that.
― smash williams, Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
iOS app added extreme 320kbps quality streaming and syncing today. Not sure if that will make a difference that I'll be able to notice. Sounded pretty good to me before.
― Moodles, Saturday, 11 February 2012 07:34 (twelve years ago) link
My idea was that you could log into Spotify with last.fm I'd...because last.fm has a strong community feel that Facebook doesn't.
― Gavin McLayoff (u s steel), Saturday, 11 February 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
I think Last.fm are still pretty suspicious and wary of Spotify for obvious reasons.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 February 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
looks like theres been some trouble in the dubstep room on soundcloud/spotifyhttp://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/topics/harassment-ivhag
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 11 February 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify tells all of my friends the title of the last song I played, but it doesn't tell me what it was.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
holy hell, AG
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
play queue > history?
― The Winged Devil Ape (Fizzles), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
History only goes back as far as one session.
I was only wondering because it lists the last song for my friends list, and I'm wondering what it's telling them I listened to.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
DJP- i dunno what to make of that. Terrible she's being harassed, but wtf was she doing posting nudes of herself to all and sundry.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
so i have spotify in my dock (mac os x lion), and whenever i click on the icon, another spotify icon appears in the dock, and it's that icon that gets the little blue light under it saying the program's running or whatever, while the original spotify icon i clicked just sits there.
this started happening to me and around the same time Airfoil stopped working to send Spotify to my good speakers
I'm hoping these steps will fix both issues but I haven't tried it yet
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/support/knowledgebase/?showArticle=AirfoilSpotifyRelaunch
When an update for Spotify is available, Spotify automatically downloads it. It then quits itself and launches the update, all without any interaction from you, the user. This is non-standard behavior for Mac OS X, and can cause issues.
Additionally, when Spotify is unable to modify itself in the main /Applications folder -- for example, if the user is running a non-admin account -- then Spotify will install the update to the user's Home folder (in ~/Applications rather than /Applications). After that, every time the version in /Applications is launched, Spotify will quit itself and launch the version in ~/Applications. Again, this is non-standard behavior for Mac OS X, and can cause issues.
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
the soundrop rooms on spotify have now been expanded. Lots of dance music genres like House, drum n bass, electro, chill out and theres rnb, reggae,post-rock rooms too.no indie or metal subgenres as yet
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah theres a trance room. think the hip-hop room is new too
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
this is my first year primarily listening to new music thru spotify and there's just too much! i already have 35 hours worth of music from 2012 alone to listen to. who has the time???
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol my 2012 list has two albums on it (Schoolboy Q and Sleigh Bells)
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
I downloaded Airfoil for the first time yesterday and it worked okay with Spotify for me.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
What are ppls experiences w spotify on an iPhone while driving? Is the connection really spotty? Is it worth subscribing to?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
With Chicago 3G coverage, I basically can't stream unless I'm on wifi. I use the available offline feature extensively.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
how does the available offline feature work? is it just select albums, or do you get a certain amount a month to make available offline?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
You can make any playlist available offline. It is limited only by the storage capacity of your device.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
you can make them available offline as much as your HD can take i assume
come in http://open.soundrop.fm/s/VjWCayQ8GaB04GHI
Your smoking buddy and i are in there, mordy
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
um, can't we all hang out somewhere w/out non-ilxors?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
theres user rooms but outlouders wont use soundrop so there would only be us. its a pretty good room. will be better once they have more subgenre rooms. We use this during the day while frobisher is at work but outloud gets used normal times. except noone ever seems to be around in there when i go in, its just jeff or sanpaku in
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
The offline feature lets you download 3300 tracks to each of your mobile devices. This is what I use for driving.
― Moodles, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
i got premium and it looks like it does exactly what i want. yay.
does anyone maintain new album playlists curated by taste/genre/new comedy albums/etc?
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
what did you think of the metal room? also you tried a user room yet? you could get ilxors in it who dont do outloud
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
they could listen to destroyer and pj harvey and argue about it at the same time
fans of each voting their songs up past the other. all out war!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
not a big fan of the metal room. my tastes there run so idiosyncratically that most of what is played by other metal fans doesn't interest me
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
start a mordy metal room
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
In DC it works great in most places. I don't have to use Offline.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
dear god, I had a look in the indie room and the rock room. You wouldn't believe me how bad it is, so go look for yourselves. It will look awful no matter when you read this and look in.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 26 February 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
idk if this interests anyone, but i've got a couple playlists for 2012 w/ new music that i've been updating pretty regularly. not exhaustive at all - pretty much if i hear something, or get interested in something, i throw it in one of these:
2012 new music of any interest: http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/26nzMghRdSKUM4WhfLYDxk2012 metal: http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/0Qp2Pf6TdcLrqak0ZvISyC2012 country: http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/48BTwfZlrD0cJq3GnO6v9Mthis is called 2012 best music but really it's just the playlist that synchs to my iphone so it's stuff i think i might want to listen to when i don't have an internet connection:http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/2WPKGFgC5xncEu6AfY5gTe -- i think all of it is on one of the other lists but this is kinda a in-circulation list.
um -- plz share if you have similar playlists? and if there's stuff i should throw on these that i don't have yet?
― Mordy, Monday, 27 February 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
I always drive with iPhone Spotify here (LA). It is dope.
― dollar eye twinkling (admrl), Monday, 27 February 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds awesome.
Here is my Spotify playlist LOL.
http://open.spotify.com/album/57csDpHKcStfEWPvFjhFsR
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Trucks of my Tears (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
anyone interested in listening to the metal room with a few other ilxors in there?http://open.soundrop.fm/s/VjWCayQ8GaB04GHI
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
DJP (and everyone else) want to see what HELL looks like?go here http://open.soundrop.fm/s/VhzLPcWDnXhakl0e (no its not metal room)
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:39 (twelve years ago) link
Ooh thanks for the country playlist Mordy.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:51 (twelve years ago) link
Though it is a bit uh sparse so far! Love the Tim McGraw.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/soundrop/posts/333424550026360
SoundropHi Soundrop fans. We're moving to a new back-end infrastructure today. The server surgery will take approximately 2 hours and Soundrop will be down starting at 6:00 PM CET.As a side effect of this transition, the Soundrop.fm app for iOS will no longer work and will be removed from the App Store. We're already hard at work on the new version and it will be available as soon as possible.We apologize for the inconvenience, but this will lay the foundation for many great things to come. Stay tuned.
As a side effect of this transition, the Soundrop.fm app for iOS will no longer work and will be removed from the App Store. We're already hard at work on the new version and it will be available as soon as possible.
We apologize for the inconvenience, but this will lay the foundation for many great things to come. Stay tuned.
What would that be UK time?
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
xp oh yeah -- i have a bunch of stuff i hadn't moved into the playlist yet. should be a little more.. uh... comprehensive now?
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
Metal is not what I want to hear right now but good luck to you. Electronic rooms are underwhelming, as I said. I like Spotify but the quality of music in their rooms look like some shit streaming service.
Not that it bothers me, that's what you get when you get 25-50 people who don't know each other in a room together.
― Ban Indie Rock, Plea$e (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
more rooms are coming. That's why they're moving servers so they have more space for more rooms.btw you can create user rooms. Either for you or your friends or start one for ilx and post the link either in this thread or Bump This Thread if you have an ILM Spotify Soundrop Room going
mordy/tracer one of the new rooms will be a country room.People are sking for new rooms here http://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/ideas/recent
If you create a playlist and post it here http://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/topics/more_stations-16k1ljthey might just use it for a room.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, i'm only interested in ilx-only rooms
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
start one then!
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Offline mode (Premium only)You can now choose to go offline in the desktop application, just as you can in the mobile apps. Some customers have asked for this. It means that you can listen to offline synched playlists and imported local music files without any P2P complications that can sometimes arise if you are, for instance, using a corporate network, or using a mobile 3G dongle.You'll find the setting under the File menu in Windows, and under the Spotify menu in Mac.
You'll find the setting under the File menu in Windows, and under the Spotify menu in Mac.
more on new features http://community.spotify.com/t5/Spotify-Announcements/Preview-release-Spotify-Desktop-0-8-5-Gapless-crossfade-offline/td-p/6979
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
Gapless playback, at last.
― oppet, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Oh but:
Local files are aren't yet supported for gapless playback. The status on that one is "Working on it".The entire catalogue has not yet been re-encoded for gapless playback. The tracks are being re-encoded in order of popularity. This means that practically all Spotify "plays" will be gapless-enabled. You may still find some music that does not play gaplessly, if you have exquisitely obscure taste. Please don't report any such tracks for the time being.
The entire catalogue has not yet been re-encoded for gapless playback. The tracks are being re-encoded in order of popularity. This means that practically all Spotify "plays" will be gapless-enabled. You may still find some music that does not play gaplessly, if you have exquisitely obscure taste. Please don't report any such tracks for the time being.
― oppet, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I keep getting thrown out of Spotify. Should I just trash the program and download it again?
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Trucks of my Tears (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
Soundrop Hi Soundrop fans. We're moving to a new back-end infrastructure today. The server surgery will take approximately 2 hours and Soundrop will be down starting at 6:00 PM CET.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:38 PM (5 hours ago)
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, spotify crashes CONSTANTLY for me.
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
soundrop is great if a bit buggy. haven't used the public rooms at all but spend most days at work now in a room with 3 or 4 other friends.
― art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but Spotify has my band from way back in the 90s:
http://open.spotify.com/album/1ttc7KoPS9ittZffhiDSBe
Apparently there were several other subsequent bands that took the same name.
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
Right now I'm having too many crashes and it is often slow, so I am staying away from the crack that is Spotify.
Back to scrobbling from itunes, which means I can't hear any music I want to when I want to unless I grab it off Amazon. Which is an enormous globally significant tragedy in my coddled worldview.
Shit, maybe I'll cruise SoulSeek or even play an LP.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Wendy Carlos the Jackal (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 2 March 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Previously mentioned streaming Spotify issues are solved, please let us know if you have problems/questions: http://t.co/3HOxGdGf
New version of Soundrop is out today. Just restart Spotify to make sure you get it. More info here:https://www.facebook.com/soundrop/posts/344109505627208
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 2 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but Spotify has my band from way back in the 90s:http://open.spotify.com/album/1ttc7KoPS9ittZffhiDSBeApparently there were several other subsequent bands that took the same name.― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 05:21 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 05:21 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i am streaming this now - enjoy your 0.005 cents or whatever it is, don't spend it all in the one shop :)
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
ha, I have no idea who put this up on Spotify or who would actually get paid for plays. Pretty sure it wouldn't be me.
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm also playing this btw
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Friday, 2 March 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Hope you like it! I think my favorites are "Phenomathon" and "Tranquilizer".
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
what did u do in this band?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Played bass, wrote the music with the other guys.
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
cool! i like this. i get a little adam duritz thing from the singer? (that's a neutral statement btw)
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 March 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks! That's a fair comparison. The singer is my pal Ben Averch. He's got a more recent album of his called Fortune Cookie up on Spotify too.
― Moodles, Friday, 2 March 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Something's been screwed up with the latest upgrade, tracks just stop, can't get some tracks to open. Hope there's a quick fix.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
same here. keep getting 'search failed', 'browsing failed' etc
― art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
haha now it's crashed and is skipping like a cd. welcome to the future
― art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
I'm trying to max out my offline files for an upcoming road trip. The max is supposed to be 3,333. I got to about 2800 and was told I hit my limit, but I can't figure out where the rest of the files are. I'm thinking I might need to reinstall on my ipod and try again.
― Moodles, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify's unwillingness to support Android 3 and 4 mobile apps is making me want to quit the service forever:
http://community.spotify.com/t5/Spotify-Ideas-and-Feedback/Spotify-needs-to-support-Android-3-Honeycomb-Android-4-Ice-Cream/idi-p/715
Android 4 dev kits have been available since October, no excuses.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Why is dubstep so popular? btw there's usually a thousand people in there at peak time
http://i42.tinypic.com/ztdp37.jpg
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
The max is supposed to be 3,333. I got to about 2800 and was told I hit my limit
you have a lot of disk space on your phone!
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I'm using a 64 GB ipod touch
― Moodles, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
I suspect that some of my personal mp3 files are being counted toward that total.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I got an iphone with less disk space since I have a big 80GB ipod but now I'm like "why would I carry both of these things around." not that big a deal but I wish I woulda gone for the bigger hard drive on my phone.
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
an older ipod btw, no internet. not a touch.
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
so i was just durdling around with this for the first time last night since i got a new laptop and don't want to copy my whole music drive onto it. is there any reason why it's not easily worth the $5/month? how thorough is the licensing coverage now?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
also are the 320kbs offerings extensive enough yet to make premium worth it if i don't plan to use it w/ a mobile device?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even know how to tell what's streaming at what rate
how thorough is the licensing coverage now?
depends on what you like. there is stuff appearing and disappearing every day .... some of my favorite record labels have pulled out (Sacred Bones, RVNG Intl, there's no B-Music or Finders Keepers) but I still find a ton to listen to and it's worth the 10 bucks
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
I take that back, Finders Keepers does have some stuff on there
anyway I find a lot to listen to especially dance music
― dmr, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
there have been very few new albums to come out that weren't on spotify. tzadik is really the biggest loss imo. most stuff is on there tho.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
also tons of jazz and classical that I wouldn't have otherwise chased after but am now very happy to have on hand
― Moodles, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
i subscribed just because of all the Blue Note
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if the classical is good & thorough then i'm even more tempted. i've never had the time or resources to get a reasonable collection of that together, even digitally
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
soundrop has a country room now
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/5xvbqb.png
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
Shonze Famschen otm
― Nultified Ancients of Man U (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
3 people like this idea including you
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's a shame there's no enthusiasm for it, but an ongoing ILM room would be pretty bitchin.
― ryan, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
I would be all over it but my job blocks all of the Spotify apps (but not Spotify itself)
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I'm enthusiastic for it!
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
of course mordy how could i not vote for the guys suggestion!
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
he got the country station he asked for
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
mordy start an ilm room. the person who starts it has control over what can be removed. you just need to make a playlist with minimum 3 songs, start room, then post url here and anyone can join and add/vote/listen
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
in the country room Taylor Swift and Miranda Lambert just played here is what's queued up nowhttp://i44.tinypic.com/2cofynm.jpgmordy is that the stuff you like?
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Sometimes, but I can't get my soundrop to work right now.
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
a few people have had that. there was problems with facebook logins, they also say to make sure you have the latest spotify update as they fixed some things this afternoon
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
more metal rooms are coming. I asked for doom and BM rooms a month ago and here's todays reply
3Johann Prieur (Official Rep) 5 hours agoHi guys,This will happen in the next few days. Thanks for your patience!Best,Johann
This will happen in the next few days. Thanks for your patience!
Best,Johann
Other people asked for death/thrash or metalcore/deathcore rooms so hopefully the 2 i asked for do get made and not just that one.
it's a shame there's no enthusiasm for it, but an ongoing ILM room would be pretty bitchin.― ryan,
― ryan,
Me too, but those who are into that kind of thing prefer outloud so wont use a soundrop room. Which is a pretty much anything goes generalist room. Though nobody uses outloud during the day.Maybe ilxors on spotify prefer to listen to their own lists? or, as djp says, soundrop might not be allowed at their workplace.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
ATTENTION NAKHClassical Room is now there
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
African room pretty cool
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
when its not being trolled by dubstep kids adding skrillex or rock room kids adding bieber ,pokemon and other crap like emo.One of the developers told me a few weeks ago, when he was clearing out mess left by the trolls in metal room , that the african room was bombarded by trolls posting racist stuff too. They all get banned though.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
ok, they really need to improve their 'add tracks' feature. i guess it doesn't let you search by artist or album?
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
yes type in artist album name
they had to remove drag n drop as trolls were using it to add a song every second.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
we just can't have anything nice, can we?
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
there's bored kids everywhere that think it's funny. but they all get banned if they do it. you just take a screencap and report them. As word gets out it puts off others joining in.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
anyone used this?? http://www.equalify.me/
― piscesx, Sunday, 11 March 2012 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't realize you can now search for other people's playlists. I just started doing that this weekend. Is this a new feature or am I just absent minded. That is so cool!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Wendy Carlos the Jackal (Mount Cleaners), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's always been there?
btw if anyones interested Got our Doom Metal Room http://open.soundrop.fm/s/Vw6FRBau3Qe1JQ0Xand Black Metal Room http://open.soundrop.fm/s/Vw6FJO3toeFpfBqa
not on the main page yet (goes public tomorrow) but those with the link can wire in! so do come join
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
My new set-up: Spotify Premium (high bit-rate setting) on laptop --> wireless streaming to Bluetooth dongle --> which plugs into Cambridge Audio DAC Magic digital/analogue converter --> which plugs into hi-fi --> which connects to three sets of speakers in three adjoining rooms. Now that I have the DAC, audio quality is every bit as good as CD.
All I need now is the Remoteless app - http://remoteless.no - which turns my iPhone into a Spotify remote control.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 12 March 2012 11:49 (twelve years ago) link
I run a wire from the back of my computer to the stereo. Sounds pretty good!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 11:53 (twelve years ago) link
I run a train from the back of my house to the edge of the continent. Feels pretty good!
― ███★★★███ (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 12 March 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
i run every day. feels great!
― Your Ample Girth Does Intimidate (Matt P), Monday, 12 March 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Iran; so far away!
― ███★★★███ (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 12 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
:P
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
Remoteless app is a bit shit, as it turns out. But usable.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 12 March 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
My new set-up: Spotify Premium (high bit-rate setting) on laptop --> wireless streaming to Bluetooth dongle --> which plugs into Cambridge Audio DAC Magic digital/analogue converter --> which plugs into hi-fi --> which connects to three sets of speakers in three adjoining rooms. Now that I have the DAC, audio quality is every bit as good as CD.All I need now is the Remoteless app - http://remoteless.no - which turns my iPhone into a Spotify remote control.
All I need now is the Remoteless app - http://remoteless.no - which turns my iPhone into a Spotify remote control.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
Is it just me or is Spotify absolutely shit at distinguishing artists of the same name?
There are, let's say, quite a few of these.
It just lumps them all together. Surely they're aware that this is happening. I guess they just decided, fuck it?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 March 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago) link
Moss (doom band) are Katie Moss on there, lol
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 15 March 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
This freezes for ten seconds literally every time I search for an artist.But only on my home computer. Work computer is slower processor, worse internet connection but it works better. Must be an OS thing?Have reinstalled multiple times.
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 March 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
i enjoy the multiple destroyers
― ↖MODERNIST↗ hangups (thomp), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Most annoying thing about Spotify. There seem to be a surprising number of British dance producers who share a name with terrible sub-Fountains of Wayne American rock bands.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2012/03/15/beggars-group-give-50-of-streaming-revenues-to-their-artists/
^ interesting
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
This is what the Music Week piece said:
Artist income from the likes of Spotify is a hot topic, with some labels reportedly passing just 10-15% of revenue generated from streaming sites to artists and managers as a royalty.Mercury-nominated artist Jon Hopkins said last year that he received just £8 for 9,000 plays on Spotify, whilst other acts including the Black Keys have questioned the "feasibility" of the streaming model for performers and writers.Speaking in a special report in today's Music Week magazine, Beggars Group director of strategy Simon Wheeler revealed that the label - which part-owns XL, Matador, Rough Trade ad 4AD - pays its artists from streaming services on a licence basis, at a much higher rate than its rivals."When we looked at the streaming models we felt that splitting this revenue 50/50 as licensed income was the right thing to do - we couldn't justify it as a 'sale'," he commented.Wheeler suggested that if other labels adopted the model, artists could receive "two or three times" their current income from streaming.
Mercury-nominated artist Jon Hopkins said last year that he received just £8 for 9,000 plays on Spotify, whilst other acts including the Black Keys have questioned the "feasibility" of the streaming model for performers and writers.
Speaking in a special report in today's Music Week magazine, Beggars Group director of strategy Simon Wheeler revealed that the label - which part-owns XL, Matador, Rough Trade ad 4AD - pays its artists from streaming services on a licence basis, at a much higher rate than its rivals.
"When we looked at the streaming models we felt that splitting this revenue 50/50 as licensed income was the right thing to do - we couldn't justify it as a 'sale'," he commented.
Wheeler suggested that if other labels adopted the model, artists could receive "two or three times" their current income from streaming.
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
So by my reckoning, under this deal, Jon Hopkins could have made £16-£24 if he'd have signed to Beggars.
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
How much does an artist receive for a single play on a radio station with 9000 listeners?
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
Somewhere in the region of £0-£8
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
I thought 50/50 was a pretty standard deal for indie labels, or was that only in the halcyon days of factory or rough trade or whatever?
― ledge, Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
when Touch N Go was doing the 50-50 split I always thought it was talked about as being a notably good deal for the bands. although the other side of it was that they didn't pay any advances or fund the recordings (just put out the records).
― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
Black Metal Room is now LIVE.
Doom Metal room isn't on public page yet but it can still be accessed from the link Doom Metal Room http://open.soundrop.fm/s/Vw6FRBau3Qe1JQ0X
Also there is now an Ambient room
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Doom Metal room is now live and on the main page. Ambient room got better after the trolls got banned/songs removed by the soundrop guys. Same goes for African room, 80+ users and lots of good songs. I saw mike t-diva dancing in there..
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
The rooms idea is great...but they're kind of mainstream. I like to give creative names to my playlists, which makes them undescriptive to the casual browser. If I call my mix "new wave mix", it gets lumped in with mainstream new wave lists. I like browsing Spotify for stuff I couldn't afford before!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Manischewitz (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 16 March 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
well with sub-genre rooms being added now it's less mainstream. i believe death metal, minimal techno, prog house , industrial rooms are coming plus a lot more.
There should be an ilx room (with a permanent url) so we could all go in and add whatever we like (within reason) , but sadly there's no demand. Plus I dont wanna see outloud die. but i see no reason why both cant be done. outlouds more a night time thing.
Classical room is pretty good btw
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
djp is clearly behind thishttp://support.soundrop.com/soundrop/topics/fandom_room
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
Damn electronica room, ppl keep bumping up Boards of Canada. I've heard it all a trillion times, plz vote for something I haven't heard.
― Jeff, Saturday, 17 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit there's over 1600 people in dubstep room
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
bzzzzzeeeooooowwwak-ka-ka-ka-ka-ka bmmmmmmmmmmmmzeeeeeeooooooowWAK-KA-KA BOOP
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
haha i looked in and they're arguing over what is real and not real dubstep.
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds entertaining, I might have a peep.
I am wondering if it is heinous to use profanity in a mix title, etiquette wise. Does it show disrespect to the general community of users? I suppose so.
Maybe I'll just use an asterisk in the offending word.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Colored on TV! (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
If you're doing a pigfuck playlist I'm not sure it's avoidable!
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
lololol on the soundrop forum someones mum is complaining about skrillex songs added by him are being removed in the dubstep by people who dont like it (i think theyre sick of 100 skrillex songs in the queue or getting voted up all the time, like the killers in indie room or slipknot in rock room etc).
First time i've ever seen someones mum doing it though, hahahaha
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
this sounds like the worse place everwhat's it's appeal?!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
they're waiting for the drop!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
I noticed the songs being skipped the first few times I was in the room but today was the first day I paid attention to the chat. It's bad enough the music we vote for and want to listen to is skipped repeatedly but those of us who complain are insulted and badgered. They laugh and tell us they can skip what they don't want to listen to get out of their room.Then the conversation goes downhill fast. I would like to allow my son to enjoy this room but these are the conversations that will be keeping him out and driving me away. Here are a couple for example."FOR ALL YOU SKRILLEX PEOPLE THERE IS A SKRILLEX RADIO SO GTFO.""Dont really care about the votes cause they get skipped anyway. ;)""Im telling them to stop voting for skrillex sigh-"" B=====D~~~ in ur face :P"" Fap fap fap into whitneys eye."
"FOR ALL YOU SKRILLEX PEOPLE THERE IS A SKRILLEX RADIO SO GTFO."
"Dont really care about the votes cause they get skipped anyway. ;)"
"Im telling them to stop voting for skrillex sigh-"
" B=====D~~~ in ur face :P"
" Fap fap fap into whitneys eye."
She's actually not allowing her son in the room because that.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
obviously those chatters are horrible people, but the fact a mum is complaining is just too funny.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
i actually know a couple of people in the dubstep room and they're good guys, they like the more ilx/the wire friendly dubstep and i think they get sick of skrillex clogging the place up. They wouldn't be nasty or voting to remove songs though. (if 5 people report a track as inappropriate the track gets removed. It's an anti-trolling thing which is obviously being abused here. But with people going in rooms adding rick astley,pokemon,slipknot or nyan cat to troll the rooms it was needed.The guys i know are the ones who need to report troll tracks. All the rooms get trolled constantly by morons.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah im glad i dont like dubstep as that room must be a nightmare. I'll never 'get' that music. I dont think its because im older now as i never liked a lot of stuff when i was young!
La Lechera come in doom or black metal rooms, its fun (when not being trolled)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
maybe metal kid will come in
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Ehhhhhhhhhh I don't really see that happening (and I don't really want to fraternize with metal kid anyway!)
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
It's outloud or bust for me.
outlouds usually bust :( or trolled by a slipknot fan funnily enough
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
some new albums seem to hit U.S. Spotify on Thursdays, 2 days after they're released everywhere else. not complaining since hey i'm happy they're there but it makes me wonder what the logic behind that lag is.
― internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
it also seems like not all new albums get added to the New Album Releases playlist?
― Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
isn't that because thursdays are the official release days in stores just as its mondays here?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
tuesdays are traditionally release days in the u.s.
― internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
ha thank you for reminding me that the new album playlist exists
next up: the new SPEECH DEBELLE
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
ahh ok, perhaps the artists/labels think streaming right away will hurt sales so dont allow it to be streamed to thursday? i doubt its a spotify decision. im sure they would prefer to stream right away
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
had never seen the New Album Releases playlist before but yes it appears that it is assembled in a way that filters out any album i am interested in hearing
― internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
poor Speech, she has found this nice little pocket of music that I and only I will like
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
I find this more useful than the playlist http://spotimy.co.uk/
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 22 March 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
are people's shuffle functions working fine? mine tends to play a few songs from the same album in a row...
also after this upgrade, new random people are showing up in my "x listened to" feed...are these actually not random?
― rayuela, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I was wondering about that too
― dmr, Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
Have release years always been so reliably broken? Anything released earlier than, say, 2003 seems to have some random year stuck on. Michel Polnareff's entire oeuvre is supposedly from the 1990s, for instance.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 March 2012 12:36 (twelve years ago) link
remasters maybe? albums that have been remastered always seem to be by that date
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 23 March 2012 12:43 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify has created some serious space issues on my phone.
― Jeff, Friday, 23 March 2012 12:58 (twelve years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
Definitely some kind of vampirism going on
― Radio Boradman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
I like how if you have songs loaded on your iTunes on your iPhone they'll show up on your Spotify Mobile.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
I just noticed that now you can see what your friends are listening to. Which is like that cool thing in itunes where you can see what your co-workers are listening to.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Colored on TV! (Mount Cleaners), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Love my friends, do not care what they are listening to
― lukas, Monday, 26 March 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
i just found the room with the worst playlist on soundrop go look here
You will not find a worse one.
btw attention DJP, there's an Orbital room. And Orbital will be chatting to fans in that room on thursday.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
spotify release dates for old albums are definitely more often than not tied to the re-releases (or in some cases something even more arbitrary like the year that it was first sold online on iTunes etc.)
― internet somebody (some dude), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
these are both incredibly irrelevant pieces of information
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://open.soundrop.fm/s/orbital Ahead of the release of their 8th studio album "Wonky", Orbital are hosting a very special live webchat event on Spotify.Join the Orbital Soundrop room on Spotify on Thursday 29th March at 4pm to chat with the band live - and get your chance to ask them about their experiences from the last 25 Years at the heart of British dance music, and their triumphant return to the studio after an 8 year hiatus.We'll also be hosting a truly democratic Orbital playback - where you can listen along and vote for your favourite Orbital tracks - creating the ultimate Orbital playlist - voted for by the fans, for the fans.Soundrop is an app on Spotify to share, discover and experience music together with friends. Soundrop takes the original concept of the jukebox and brings it to the web in a social and democratic way. Find it in Spotify’s App Finder.
Join the Orbital Soundrop room on Spotify on Thursday 29th March at 4pm to chat with the band live - and get your chance to ask them about their experiences from the last 25 Years at the heart of British dance music, and their triumphant return to the studio after an 8 year hiatus.
We'll also be hosting a truly democratic Orbital playback - where you can listen along and vote for your favourite Orbital tracks - creating the ultimate Orbital playlist - voted for by the fans, for the fans.
Soundrop is an app on Spotify to share, discover and experience music together with friends. Soundrop takes the original concept of the jukebox and brings it to the web in a social and democratic way. Find it in Spotify’s App Finder.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
you know the bio at the top, on artist pages? is there any way to actually expand it, to see what lies beyond the ellipses?? every lengthy bio just sputters out in...
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
Other than clicking on the 'biography' tab?
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Actually it took me months to figure that out...
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
AHHHHHH
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify for Linux is finally stable, woo!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
How can you see who's added you as a friend?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
There isn't a way, right?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
are there actual 'spotify friends'? i've never added anyone on there but i keep getting sidebar things about what my facebook friends are listening to.
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
you can add them to your 'favourites'
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
How? Apparently I have a friend who's chosen a two-word username and spotify won't find him
xpost Yeah there are "spotify friends" but it is horribly implemented
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
this is bullshit, he's added me apparently but there is no way to even see that
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
if you want to add him ask him for the url to his profile then add him
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
jfc
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/spotifyscreencapsafeway.jpg
Have to check out this band Safeway....
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify Extends Free Unlimited Listening for US Users, Drops 5-Track Limit in Continental Europe
Originally was to be free in US for only first 6 months; it's been over 9 months now with no confirmed cutoff date.
UK service stays as is evidently.
― everything else is secondary (Lee626), Saturday, 31 March 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
That's great news for us yanks! I've been expecting a knock on my door in the middle of the night demanding payment for hours and hours of musical indulgence.
Found this today:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/velvetfrog.jpg
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303772904577334190181355280.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
i'm obsessed with spotify - pretty much the only way i listen to music these days. even music they don't have i end up streaming through the program for easy cross-device sharing. but i'm scared to death that it's going to close soon and leave me without all this music... :(
― Mordy, Friday, 13 April 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
Even if it did close something would surely replace it, it has upped the stakes in music consumption. I buy mp3s of stuff I really like just in case, and so I can have something to travel with.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 13 April 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
wish this shit weren't so buggy
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 April 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
mordy do you subscribe?
xpforks i dont find spotify buggy at all. It's never crashed on me. What bugs do you have?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 13 April 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
i subscribe so that i have offline access on all mobile devices. essential feature imho.
― Mordy, Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
it hitches up badly on me at work but i suppose that's mostly bandwidthat home, every time i search anything it freezes for about ten seconds. started doing that some time ago. no idea why.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
btw, if ppl don't already know, the Classify app mentioned in that wall st jr article above is killer app for listening to classical music (which is otherwise kinda hard to search for)
― Mordy, Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
huge soundrop update today.
I'm Inge, the CEO and Co-Founder of Soundrop. If you're receiving this email, you are a registered user of Soundrop in Spotify. On behalf of the entire Soundrop team, I want to thank you for joining our community. The team has been very busy over the past few weeks getting ready for a major update to Soundrop. We're very excited for this new version and wanted to share the news with you personally. It has some important improvements to the overall experience of using Soundrop. We think you'll really like it. Here's what we've done: - We fixed the "track not available in your region" issue. Instead of doing what Depeche Mode recommends and enjoying the silence, we now pick another track from the upcoming list to play during the time when the other, non-available track is playing. We do our best to make sure the substituted track is close to the same length. - We greatly improved how you create and control your room. When you open a room, you can designate it as either "open", which means everyone can add tracks, or "curated" which means people can only vote. You control the tracks. You can also customize your room with own picture and room name, and you can tag it so others can easily find it. - Speaking of finding rooms. You can also make your room discoverable by any Soundrop user. If you want to search for rooms, simply use the search field on the main Soundrop lobby to find rooms by name or tag. - We improved the chat. You can now resize the chat area and also ignore users. We've made a number of other improvements--some small and some big. You'll see it immediately if you get started. Look for a version number starting 1.6 in the lower right-hand corner. If you don't see it, restart Spotify. That should do the trick.
The team has been very busy over the past few weeks getting ready for a major update to Soundrop. We're very excited for this new version and wanted to share the news with you personally. It has some important improvements to the overall experience of using Soundrop. We think you'll really like it.
Here's what we've done:
- We fixed the "track not available in your region" issue. Instead of doing what Depeche Mode recommends and enjoying the silence, we now pick another track from the upcoming list to play during the time when the other, non-available track is playing. We do our best to make sure the substituted track is close to the same length.
- We greatly improved how you create and control your room. When you open a room, you can designate it as either "open", which means everyone can add tracks, or "curated" which means people can only vote. You control the tracks. You can also customize your room with own picture and room name, and you can tag it so others can easily find it.
- Speaking of finding rooms. You can also make your room discoverable by any Soundrop user. If you want to search for rooms, simply use the search field on the main Soundrop lobby to find rooms by name or tag.
- We improved the chat. You can now resize the chat area and also ignore users.
We've made a number of other improvements--some small and some big. You'll see it immediately if you get started. Look for a version number starting 1.6 in the lower right-hand corner. If you don't see it, restart Spotify. That should do the trick.
I have now created a room for ilxors
ILXOR ROOM on SPOTIFY/SOUNDROP. It's a permanent link too. Come add songs and listen
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
AlsoBlue Note Jazzhttp://open.soundrop.fm/s/W17NnyaEs2PP2Kjd
Funk http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16ubv7yznrcAmXN
Krautrock/Kosmichehttp://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16sYgyHTuZRkSer
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
This shit needs to work on mobile.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
it does on iphone. Android app to come apparently.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
I tried it out on my ipod touch and it froze a lot so I gave up on it
― Moodles, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
There's already an Android app for Spotify, works fine for me.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
The Android app. for Spotify is completely broken. It's a "known issue" with no timeline for addressing it. I downgraded my subscription due to this.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Fair enough. I've got in on my mobile and a tablet and works fine on both.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
There's a Goth room now http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W1GKFiSg2FOT9c2r
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
And another more ILM Goth friendly http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W1NHgDXLKS4AnTjE
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
80s pop metal ezsnappin/johnny fever friendly room http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W1GYFWKEy7m42hS1
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/onelistener.jpg
So sad....I love these rooms but in many of them I drop a few tracks and leave.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
So was I . Soundrop app is available for iphone. Android app will come say the developers.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 19 April 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
Permanent link http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16fTbbsgjzuGhsNYou can subscribe to the room too I think. So please everyone come check it out!
You can subscribe to the room too I think. So please everyone come check it out!
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 19 April 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
I dont know. I dont have an iphone.
btw spotify is launching a new android version http://www.spotify.com/uk/blog/archives/2012/04/19/new-android-preview/
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 19 April 2012 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
I just downloaded this and it works perfectly so far, about 5 minutes of playing with it. A much needed improvement!
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
just grabbed it as well. it can't really be much worse than the previous version! that thing crashed if i did ANYTHING.
looking fwd to playing around w this...
― original bgm, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
I think I've already complained about this, but I've been playing around with it a bunch the past couple of days to find a fix and haven't been very successful. There are a bunch of local files that I have that are on one of my offline lists. No matter how many times I sync that offline list, it pulls the songs from the Spotify library instead of from my local files. I can't seem to figure out a way to force it to use the local files instead.
― Moodles, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
have you done the "unlink track" thing on them (select track, right-click, choose "Unlink Track")? so far i've only done it when i want my meta-data to show instead of theirs, so i'm not sure if it would solve this problem.
― supreme sundae (reddening), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
Does that unlink the track from the spotify library or from my file directory?
― Moodles, Sunday, 29 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
I really like spotify, it has become my my method of listening to music. But I feel out of control with it, I need a better and easier way to organize everything. I feel overwhelmed with all the music I want to listen to. Here's my wishlist:
-Put the damned playlists in alphabetical order. I create a folder for new albums and I have to manually drag and drop them in alphabetical order. This is insane, I should just be able to drop a playlist in the folder and it is automatically sorted. Who the fuck wants a folder of playlists to be in a random goddamned order?
-Smart playlists. Knock iTunes all you want, but smart playlists was a beautiful feature. I want playlists from songs I've added to my library in the last x-amount of time. Playlists based on playcount/last time listened/year/genre/etc. Can't live my life this way.
-Family pro account. Stupid that I have to pay for two pro accounts.
― Jeff, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
Another thing missing from Spotify that I really like in itunes and ipods is the ability to browse through your music in a number of different ways. I'd love to be able to go to an artist menu that spans all of my playlists and then pull up a specific album to listen to.
― Moodles, Monday, 30 April 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
put Spotify on my desktop 5 months ago, there it stays despite my not being able to operate it.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
"fire up the Spotify, Bertha, i'm goin in"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 April 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
weird that the version of Tori Amos's Boys For Pele on US Spotify is the UK version w/ different tracklist
― some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
When will the desktop app finally be compatible with Apple AirPlay??!
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
some dude it's "weird" only if you imagine Spotify have their shit together
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
This new app update is buggy. The skipping has returned. Drives me bananas.
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
album artwork seems to be gone in offline mode, otoh I'm glad they added gapless and crossfade
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
baaderonixx, you know you can get Airfoil and send any app's audio to AirPlay right? Does cost $ ...
― hot slag (lukas), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify + last.fm app + 9 years of my listening data is out of control
― hot slag (lukas), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:28 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
eh i use spotify constantly and haven't noticed anything like that before that wasn't easily explained.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
it's easily explained by the notion that someone has fucked up which is not too surprising given the number of plates they must be attempting to keep spinning at any given moment
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
well, i haven't seen a lot of examples of human error, usually it's something like tracks/albums being held back for legal reasons, track lengths, etc. if different countries' versions of albums being available in the wrong territory is commonplace, sorry i brought it up, it just caught my eye.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
they should figure out how to tally the all time listens for individual users. i wanna see mine. i look forward to my weekly ones, even though i know theyre not that accurate.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
I want a "delete queue" button. I'm tired of having to delete each individual track on a queue of tunes I may have wanted twenty minutes ago.
― kraudive, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
You can just highlight the first and last song in the queue you want to delete, or do you mean something different?
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.spotify.com/uk/nus/
(UK) Students get a 50% discount on premium
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
click the 'track' header to sort by track name in alphabetical order, 'album' by album in same
highlight first track, hold shift, click last track, all the tracks now highlighted, now hit delete
― thomp, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
are you people mac users or something
― thomp, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
there should still really be a "clear queue" button - also there's no way to delete the placeholder tracks that spotify adds in at the bottom of your queue in case you run out of songs, which is very annoying - you can't even delete them manually
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, I am on a mac, and sort of see what you are saying, but I don't think that's what I'm looking for. For example I keep a folder called Archived and I drag playlists in there. They don't automatically sort alphabetically, they just go in whatever order you put them in there. You have to go in there and manually drag them till they are in order.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/7140175351_1cc1696036.jpg
Because when I look at them on mobile, they are in the same order they are in the desktop app. Fine if you have a few, but if you playlists for tons of albums, it's hard to sort through.
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that is annoying. my workaround for mobile is sending my playlist to a new temporary one, clearing the original playlist, sorting the temp one by artist, then sending everything in the temp playlist back into the original one. a 'sort by artist' option on mobile would eliminate the need for me to do this weird stuff.
― original bgm, Friday, 4 May 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
Scotland's post-rock heavyweights weigh in
Aidan John Moffat @AidanJohnMoffat@jetfury No, just realistic – I don't see that there's any way to beat it, and Pirate Bay are just this week's scapegoats.stuart braithwaite @plasmatron@AidanJohnMoffat @jetfury if you opened up a shop selling photocopies of all books on the best seller list you'd get the jail.Aidan John Moffat @AidanJohnMoffat@plasmatron @jetfury The Pirate Bay isn't a shop.stuart braithwaite @plasmatron@AidanJohnMoffat @jetfury I know. at least they are honest about their pirate status. Spotify are worse with their fake respectabilityAidan John Moffat @AidanJohnMoffat@plasmatron @jetfury Aye, I'd honestly rather folk just stole my stuff than use Spotify.
stuart braithwaite @plasmatron@AidanJohnMoffat @jetfury if you opened up a shop selling photocopies of all books on the best seller list you'd get the jail.
Aidan John Moffat @AidanJohnMoffat@plasmatron @jetfury The Pirate Bay isn't a shop.
stuart braithwaite @plasmatron@AidanJohnMoffat @jetfury I know. at least they are honest about their pirate status. Spotify are worse with their fake respectability
Aidan John Moffat @AidanJohnMoffat@plasmatron @jetfury Aye, I'd honestly rather folk just stole my stuff than use Spotify.
― Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:26 (twelve years ago) link
i'd listen to arab strab on spotify now to spite him but then i'd have to listen to arab strap
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 10:32 (twelve years ago) link
Lisetn to this instead http://open.spotify.com/track/3hFEsMMCUCMZwZN6nZh8E2
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:42 (twelve years ago) link
ipad app looks real good honestly
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:15 (twelve years ago) link
They've finally released an iPad app?
*updates app*
Oh wow!
― mike t-diva, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
Is there an anti Spotify backlash forming? Why exactly?
― Moodles, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
artists don't really get paid
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
Aye, I'd honestly rather folk just stole my stuff than use Spotify.
I think that can be arranged.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
again that would mean listening to arab strap
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
i take the logic of spotify as being 'we should accept that people now expect music to be free and on-demand, and making it not so will actually make them less likely to go and buy records by artists they enjoy, or to see them tour'
i'm not sure it's good logic
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like the labels are more to blame here if they are letting Spotify use their music on economic terms that are not in their favor.
― Moodles, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
"making something free will not stop people buying it" is slightly flawed logic imo
― Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
there's something of a - > ??? - > PROFIT issue, yes
― thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
Moodles OTM, if you feel Spotify isn't returning value, renegotiate your contract.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
oh dearhttp://www.fellody.com/
matchmaking app for spotify. it supposedly matches up people in your area who have similar taste.
no thanks i dont want big hairy bearded spotify users contacting me! male or female
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
Don't be afraid of intimacy!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Bob Dylan has heard of it.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
Because his stuff came and went and came back again?
― Shakes-a-maxion (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
Well, until tonight it'd been gone since I had Spotify...
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
I always thought he was gone, so thanks for the tip. But brief glance at intranetz seems to say he came back in the beginning of February.
― Shakes-a-maxion (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah hadn't checked yet. One of the things that's hilarious is that not only are all his Columbia records on it -- so are all the budget three-packs and the like.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link
Loving the great compilations on here...stuff that might cost $28 at Tower back in the day.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/rootsofdrone.jpg
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 19 May 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Fellody bills itself as a means for finding people to meet up with for concerts, not merely a dating app. That actually would be quite useful for people like me who find themselves frequently going to live performances alone because my eclectic musical tastes dictate a low likelihood of having friends who want to see a band they've never heard of (or don't like).
This must be an issue for lots of us. If you want to see a live show by an obscure band that your spouse/friends/others don't want to pay to see, do you call around (or look online) for someone to go with, or do you just go alone? If the former, what means do you use to find someone? Online forums? Facebook et al.? Music websites? Blogs? Send a group text to your friends?
― Lee626, Saturday, 19 May 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
Obvious answer: go alone.
― Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:35 (twelve years ago) link
go with a stranger to stand next to a bunch of strangers? what's the point?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
stranger things have happened
― Djibril Citté (onimo), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet... (sorry)
anyway, last.fm does something similar over here - will list people attending events and even recommend people from your friends who might like to attend based on their playlists.
― koogs, Monday, 21 May 2012 10:18 (twelve years ago) link
point is they don't stay strangers for long, and I have someone to talk with about a shared musical interest before and after the show.
i've never been a good loner, but i do often go to concerts alone and have learned over the years to like it. If I go with friends, I wind up talking with my friends, but if I go alone, I strike up or join conversations with anyone that seems interesting and meet new people (tactfully of course - I do realize not everyone is up for gab). Striking up conversations is especially easy since we start out with at least one obvious common interest.
― Lee971 (Lee626), Monday, 21 May 2012 10:25 (twelve years ago) link
Going for a four billion evaluation.
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
So Spotify has launched in Australia and New Zealand...
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 21 May 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
how does Rdio compare?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
Is there a way for me to use this that doesn't involve me broadcasting what I'm listening to on Facebook?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, you can turn that off.
― timellison, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
Rdio seems to basically Spotify but running in the browser instead of its own app (there's also a mobile app apparently that you get with your 9.99/month sub)
In the UK at least Rdio pretty much sucks. You're rpesented with a big homepage of music, 2/3 of which is greyed out because not available here. I can understand not having the rights, but if you can figure out that you don't have the rights, why can't you figure out not to display the music?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
[Originally posted this in wrong thread...]
In Australia: Well fuck, was all prepped to hate Spotify, and have no FB acct, but made a fake one and am already hooked, looking a better PC speakers
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
Rdio seems to basically Spotify but running in the browser instead of its own app
yep I think that is the main difference. I know some people who use it over Spotify for that reason (i.e. can't install the Spotify software on a work computer but can open a browser and listen to Rdio no problem)
― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, May 21, 2012 8:49 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark
if you're using the same version as me, go to the File menu and click 'Private Session' -- of course you have to do this every single time you turn on Spotify/your computer, or else it just defaults to public mode. i hate it too, and always forget to make it private until someone leaves an obnoxious comment about what i'm listening to on FB.
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
Huh, in mine I can just go to preferences and uncheck "Show what I listen to on Facebook" and it stays like that forever.
― hot slag (lukas), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
if you feel Spotify isn't returning value, renegotiate your contract
seems like a lot of labels have done this, some of the ones I lamented disappearing upthread are back (rvng, sacred bones)
still no drag city though
― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
can't you just remove the Spotify app from your Facebook account?
― Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
i wish tzadik would come back. i'd pay probably double the amount for the tzadik catalog
― Mordy, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
― hot slag (lukas), Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:36 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
oh dag, hadn't even thoguht of that -- my spotify preferences menu only has something that says "Share my activity on Spotify Social," no mention of Facebook though
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
what about doing this?
In Facebook, open the menu on the top right corner of the screen.
Choose Account Settings
Choose Apps from the menu on the left side of the screen
Remove Spotify.
― Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
oh sweet, thanks dude
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
can't share tracks with your friends that way tho
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
i'm a spotify user but i just looked at rdio and it actually looks like something that might be worth looking into a bit more
― markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that i can use it from a browser is p nice
i really try to avoid desktop software
and good music
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
― markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:15 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
well, i don't share tracks w/ people on facebook, or do anything at all w/ my facebook account really -- a lot of my annoyance was that 'x is listening to x on spotify' had become the sum total of my facebook activity
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
apparently my wife was listening to the vines a lot last week. i assured her that there would never be an artist she'd listen to on spotify that i'd be too embarrassed to have show up on my fb, but this one def challenged that assertion.
― Mordy, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
My Facebook friends probably think I listen to a ton of The Doors and Adam Ant due to my wife's time on Spotify
― Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120524rdio
Rdio Proposes an Insulting 'Artist Compensation Plan'...Thursday, May 24, 2012by paul
The problem is that artists are feeling slighted by streaming services, especially as major labels, fans, and investors reap the enormous benefits. Which plants the seeds for bigger content problems ahead.
Is this the solution? According to details reported by Billboard this morning, Rdio is proposing an 'artist compensation plan' that is essentially a modified referral program. So, if an artist refers a new subscriber, that artist receives $10 directly from Rdio, while other royalty payment structures remain the same. "Payments that would not be sent through record labels' accounting systems could be large enough to spur artists to take part in the program," the report states. "'The goal is to effectively match the economics of what an album sales would be,' says the source within Rdio."
Which basically means Rdio is saying the following to artists:
(1) Bring us a subscriber with a lifetime value that probably exceeds $120, and we'll pay you $10.
(2) We'll do you a favor: we won't pay this bounty through your record label.
(3) All other payments - ie, paltry royalties on your music - will remain the same.
(4) We get to say, 'we're more artist friendly than Spotify!'
Rdio did not respond to an inquiry for this article.
― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
How does one dollar in twelve compare to what an artist gets from a label for selling a $12 album?
― the dumbest fuck to have ever existed (onimo), Friday, 25 May 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait that'll be Rdio subscriber rather than artist subscriber. So if your album listener is already a subscriber some other artist already got your $10.
― the dumbest fuck to have ever existed (onimo), Friday, 25 May 2012 06:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/05/31/spotify-transparency/
In Singapore, I interviewed Ken Parks, majordomo of Spotify’s U.S. operation. I told him I would ask tough questions. That I had to, everybody already thinks I’m on the Spotify payroll, I just couldn’t let him do a commercial. He said this was all cool.
And then didn’t answer a single question I had, certainly not any that probed into the inner workings of the service. Not that I was interrogating him. But why exactly did you have to sign in with Facebook? Ken said everybody liked that, he got no complaints. He did admit that search was flawed. But I still can’t understand why it works so well in iTunes and so poorly in Spotify.
...
But at the end of my "interview", Peter Jenner, original manager of Pink Floyd, thinker extraordinaire, stood and asked why there was no Spotify transparency, why artists could not see what they were getting paid.
Ken gave the usual response. That Spotify paid record companies and these entities accounted to artists, and if something got lost in translation, it was not Spotify’s fault.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 31 May 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify has been releasing some really shitty updates to it's iOS app. I get so fucking tired of companies using the general population as goddamned beta testers.
― Jeff, Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, the latest one that came out in the past couple days caused me lots of headaches. I'm going through the process of reinstalling from scratch and re-loading all of my offline files, which seems to be helping.
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
Im having to do that too. So slow syncing them all.
― Jeff, Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really get why it is so slow to sync local files even when you have your device plugged into the omputer that houses all the source files.
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
*computer
Bigger issue I noticed was that the new update drops out if the internet connection changes, even if were listening to offline songs. That didn't happen in the previous update.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
So I've been using this for a few weeks now. It seems to have the song I want to listen to about 1/3 of the time, and there really are a lot of ads. It's useful for listening to things I want to listen to once without bothering to obtain, but at least for me it's replacing the process of "type song title into YouTube," not the process of "getting music onto my hard drive."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
It's useful for listening to things I want to listen to once without bothering to obtain
I finally caved and created a puppet Farcebook account so I could do the same. It's better to sit through two minutes of interrupting ads than to spend six or seven dollars on something from Half.com only to find out that I'm not crazy about it.
And I've already ended up buying a couple things because I used Spotify to preview and liked them that much. It's not perfect, but it works.
― Austin, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
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― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
OK, I'm putting this on my phone, but what is it?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
im gonna hazard a guess and say its spotify radio for those who wont go premium to get spotify on their phone and they then hope you all go wait a min rather than radio id like to choose the songs i want i'll stump up £10/$10
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
or as It's known - Spotify Mobile For Cheap Bastards™
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
oh i see -- there's basically no situation in which i would listen to music on my phone so i guess i don't need this
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
OK, I'm putting this on my phone, but what is it?there's basically no situation in which i would listen to music on my phone so i guess i don't need this
lol what did you think Spotify's app would do?
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
I just decided to go premium last night after finally getting a smartphone a few weeks ago. I don't know that I'll use it in my car every day (lots of hooking up cables and pushing of buttons), but if I'm headed out on the road or even just driving around town, having access to a zillion albums is MUY ATRACTIVO!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I figured paying 10 EUR a month was definitely worth it seeing how much I'll be saving on impulsive purchases that I end up listening to once.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
syncing playlists to multiple devices is one hundo percent worth the $ during wedding season.
driving around town listening to ilm playlists is just bonus.
― Thee Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
i'm kinda new to this but it always looks a bit like cheating when creating single-album playlists and then making them available offline. Why would anyone then purchase the damn thing?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
theyre saved in a proprietary format that requires a current subscription for playback?
― Thee Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
This thread reads like my parents are posting.
The radio app has promise tho I'm not sold yet.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 22 June 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
Excellent question! I didn't really think about it.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
spotify is being a right bastard this morning with connectivity issues in the uk.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 22 June 2012 10:58 (twelve years ago) link
when will there be spotify for comix?
― Mordy, Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
MDCU.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
no herge or barks iirc
― Mordy, Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
it's a start at least.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
not on ipad it's not
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
dont have a premium account but have had spotify on for 2 hours and have not had a single ad
holiday weekend promotion?
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 1 July 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
Still figuring out the art of the playlist. Right now my playlists pretty much stick to one style of music. Making one out of a mix of styles takes a lot more work. I have one (unpublished" of all new wave albums I could find that I haven't heard enough...but I like mixing it up with old doo wop and soul...so now I have to combine playlists...making about three days of music.
I'm getting lazy about doing a queue and just put the playlist on.
― VBTS (tootie and the blowfish), Monday, 2 July 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait, I am a dummy. If you start playing your playlist, your queue will use that as a default. Then you can pick out other tracks and throw them in your queue.
Wow, their FAQ sucks, though. You have to learn by using it pretty much.
― VBTS (tootie and the blowfish), Monday, 2 July 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
There's still a mix of things I like and things I hate, but the thing I like a lot lately is that when you thumbs-up a song on the reasonably interesting Spotify radio, it gets sent to a playlist of songs you've thumbs-upped. That's really cool. I didn't even realize it was happening at first. Probably should have read the instructions...
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
On the iPhone/iPad app, I'm forever being rolled back to what must be a months-old backup of my playlist directory (maybe it's even a year old). The app then re-loads all the updates that have been made since then. This can take several minutes, which is annoying, as none of the current offline playlists are present on the backup...
...apart from "Starred", which is always immediately available and fully up to date. N.B. "Starred" has become a favourite feature: its a tidy way of maintaining a rolling "A-list"/"heavy rotation" playlist.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 09:46 (twelve years ago) link
Weird, that hasn't been an issue on the Android app and I'd have expected the iPhone one to be more advanced, unless Apple are being dicks about it which is entirely possible.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:05 (twelve years ago) link
So you can't get the app for iOS 4 anymore.
― ratso piazzolla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
this new droid app interface is so confusing.. and it doesnt download songs anymore. it says "0% downloaded" next to anything recently selected for offline. what am i doing wrong?
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
NO I DON'T WANT TO AUTOSUBSCRIBE TO YOUR STUPID PLAYLISTS
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Dunno if this will only happen in the UK but check out the 1st album listed when you go to the Public Enemy page http://open.spotify.com/artist/6Mo9PoU6svvhgEum7wh2Nd
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 10:50 (twelve years ago) link
Can't login on to Spotify uk. Says check my firewall settings, but they're fine. Anyone else having issues?
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:50 (twelve years ago) link
fine here
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
It'd been weird on-and-off for the last couple of weeks now. spotify admin seem to be aware of it, so I guess it's just a case of hunkering down.
― give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 11:58 (twelve years ago) link
Still no joy :-( Looks like I'm not the only one with issues https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Windows/keeps-on-going-offline-Error-Code-102-112-117-etc/td-p/109089
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
spotify needs some kind of library feature (not just local library), smart playlists, and a way to tell you when an album you have in your playlists has been removed from the site.
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
i want to make a serious run at using spotify exclusively for playing music on my computer, but i'm so worried that it'll just close shop one day and like 10 years of music listening will be lost and i'll have to reconstitute my entire collection
yep, that'll certainly happen
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... they've already removed albums when publishers stopped contracting w/ them
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
No, i'm being serious! Just saying it comes with the territory.
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 August 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, you should just do it. It probably makes sense to redo your collection every 10 years anyway.
― Moodles, Sunday, 19 August 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
^this is kinda what i'm getting at
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 August 2012 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
Long before spotify disappears there will surely be some new music app that you'll be even more excited about anyway. There's no reason to assume that any solution will be perfect for you forever.
― Moodles, Sunday, 19 August 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
I have so many playlists it would be nice to organize them by style so I or anyone else could browse them more easily.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Sunday, 19 August 2012 11:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it needs playlist folders. and the social tools are just execrable
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 August 2012 12:26 (twelve years ago) link
yet i use it all the time anyway \o/
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 August 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify will be sold rather than fold, even if its business model doesn't work out some internet behemoth will buy them out.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 August 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
You can make playlist folders.
― Andy K, Sunday, 19 August 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
any way to set it to warn you when you're adding something to a playlist already in that playlist?
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 August 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
Don't think so.
― Jeff, Sunday, 19 August 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Andy really?? haha i guess i should do that then
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 August 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
The business model might not last but the design and the way the program works will. Spotify is kind of a killer app IMHO... I hardly ever use iTunes anymore, for instance.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
As with Windows Media Player, the darker color goes with the music experience better. I still use itunes from time to time, but in retrospect it seems designed with the office in mind. Clearly Spotify is ace for parties!
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Sunday, 19 August 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, my last house party was dj'ed by spotify. i just had a really big playlist set to random and a trippy screensaver running at the same time.
― hamlisch kilgour (get bent), Sunday, 19 August 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
When you download playlists to your phone on the Android app do the files just sit there regardless of whether or not you delete the playlist? I downloaded a playlist ages ago, deleted it, then downloaded it again and it was immediately there. Must be taking up a vast amount of disk space.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 August 2012 11:33 (twelve years ago) link
yeah does that with iphone too (sometimes) last time i checked the solution was to reinstall the app
― Crackle Box, Monday, 20 August 2012 12:55 (twelve years ago) link
due to new laptop i'm finally switching over completely to spotify. that mostly consists of checking all the albums in my collection (super arduous time consuming process, so i'm going genre by genre when i have some free time) to see if they're on spotify. if they are, i'm moving them into a genre playlist to replicate the system i had on itunes. if not, i'm copying them onto dropbox to move over to my new computer. some questions tho:
what's the best way to backup stuff from spotify? for example, if spotify already has an album, i don't want to waste time/space/etc moving it over to my new computer. i will back it all up, of course (and all my music is backed up multiple times already). but can i make html/text file backups so that if spotify ever removes an album from the service i can tell that it's gone? will i know if they remove an album or will it just disappear from my playlists?
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 August 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
i know this may seem super ocd but c'mon, it's ilm. surely other ppl have thought seriously about how to organize/reference/backup their digital music collections?
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 August 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 26 August 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
you'll be happy to know that i have an entire playlist of just folk metal
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 August 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
your poor wife
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 26 August 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, why don't you want to import your iTunes playlists and the mp3s that go with them into Spotify?
― Moodles, Sunday, 26 August 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Bc I never really arranged my iTunes by playlist - I had a couple that I did import but primarily listed music by genre, artist, & year
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 August 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
That makes sense, but couldn't you still pull all your mp3s directly into Spotify and have Spotify automagically identify whether it has them or not?
― Moodles, Sunday, 26 August 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure. Can you?
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 August 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
You sure can. Go to preferences and look for Local Files. Click Add Source and choose the folder where all your mp3s live.
― Moodles, Sunday, 26 August 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify will then try to match up your mp3s with its library. All your mp3s should then show up in the Local Files playlist.
― Moodles, Sunday, 26 August 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
surely other ppl have thought seriously about how to organize/reference/backup their digital music collections?
There is at least one thread about it.
― neti pop (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 26 August 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
any way to set it to warn you when you're adding something to a playlist already in that playlist?― Mordy, Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:33 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark
you can alphabetize the playlist and see if the song is in there twice
RE: Local files, I'm a fan of the "top lists" and I've noticed it doesn't count any music from local files.. so if you have half of an album on mp3's (or if half of the album is spelled differently than on spotify) Top tracks/albums/artists will only count the songs that were streamed. (I mostly care about "top lists" because my friends read them and vice versa)
― billstevejim, Sunday, 26 August 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Last year its “cost of sales,” which includes licensing fees and distribution expenses, was $229 million, or 97 percent of revenue.
On top of that it had more than $30 million in salaries, and more than $30 million for various other expenses. That is how you lose $57 million on $236 million in revenue.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/pandora-and-spotify-rake-in-the-money-and-then-send-it-off-in-royalties/
more than $30 million in salaries!!!
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 August 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like a solid business model. i feel totally confident that my music is safe on the spotify cloud.
― Mordy, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
new media companies don't exist to make money they only exist to be purchased by an even dumber, bigger company and then quietly "sunsetted" 3 years later.
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like a solid business model. i feel totally confident that my music is safe on the spotify cloud.― Mordy, Monday, August 27, 2012
well that's the thing: you're just renting! It's not "your music" any more so than that netflix disc is your movie. In some ways, spotify is a step toward relinquishing physical ownership of the music and embracing MUSIC as a utility with fees to be charged for access.
― The muted sensation feels amazeballs. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
While being a happy Spotify subscriber, I'm always aware that I "own" nothing and there is no guarantee of how long the service will continue to exist.
― Cong rat ululations (seandalai), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Certainly all valid concerns, but it's also worth noting that many Internet startups that proved the most successful lost money for the first few years - i.e. Amazon.com didn't turn a profit until 7 years after it incorporated.
But yeah, music-related services have a bad track record. I think in order to be successful, someone will need to figure out how to profit with a service that allows ppl to listen to a nearly limitless selection of music for free. A seemingly impossible task, but per-listen royalties, advertising revenue, social-networking tools and blogs, trending charts, optional-service subscription fees, and other such tools can be harnessed to build revenue. Thus far, Spotify has come closest to putting it all together.
― Lee626, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
obviously i understand that i don't OWN the music - after all, i'm pretty resigned to losing a bunch of it when spotify goes poof. but from my POV there isn't really a difference between having the music constantly available to me and owning it. i mean, i'm sure there are legal differences (and part of the difference is that i give up getting to complain if spotify disappears) but practically all that matters to me is having the music available at any given time. so from a purely selfish perspective, i have the music now. if spotify fails, i will no longer have it. at that point i will be waiting for a freeleech weekend legally purchasing all the stuff i had previously enjoyed but no longer have access to.
― Mordy, Monday, 27 August 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
back up everything you own and then eat it. that's what i do.
― This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 August 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
I keep obscure music locally; the big hits can live in the cloud (or my backup drives). I'm fairly certain I can get it all back and together again should I need to schange music services, such as if Spotify fails.
― Lee626, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 10:01 (twelve years ago) link
I hate whatever recommendation engine drives Spotify artist- or song-based radio stations. I set up a DJ Shadow station, feeling in the mood for eerie trip-hop, and instead I get Vampire Weekend, M83 and Crystal Castles, as though the engine is thinking "Oh, you're the kind of corny motherfucker who likes DJ Shadow? Well you'll probably like this other corny-ass bullshit too."
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
i'm pretty sure it's just based on what people who listen to dj shadow a lot also listen to. i think if you choose any lower profile trip hop act you'll get a better mix
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
The Radio thing works better if you seed it from a playlist, rather than one particular artist or track. Spotify radio seeded from my "Starred" or "Current Favourite Albums 2012" actually does a pretty good job.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
OTOH a Supersilent station is giving me EXCLUSIVELY stuff on Rune Grammofon
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
weirdly it seems that if an album is in a playlist, even if for whatever reason (regional, otherwise) it won't come up in searches, you can listen to it?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
i don't understand why some songs from an album will be on spotify while others won't. right now only two tracks from "the seer" by swans are up, the rest are grayed out, which seems like they're offering those two tracks as a sample or something. but four tracks from "the infamous" by mobb deep are grayed out, would it be because of sample issues or because someone involved in those tracks didn't approve them for spotify or what?
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
Are those tracks generally the longer ones on the albums? If so, it could be automatically carried over from digital purchasing services, where longer tracks are often "album only", ie not separately buyable as tracks. I've read label executives conceding this doesn't really make sense in a streaming environment, ie it may be mostly a temporary technical rather than a policy issue.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 31 August 2012 11:03 (twelve years ago) link
They do it because they want to give people a teaser of the album and then go out and buy it. It happens a fair bit for new albums.
― Matt DC, Friday, 31 August 2012 11:11 (twelve years ago) link
Dunno what the deal would be for the Mobb Deep album, it might be the record label holding out on the whole album for the same reason even though the album itself is ancient.
― Matt DC, Friday, 31 August 2012 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
I think I need to get Spotify premium because they keep playing this AWFUL Durex ad that promises to solve every gender's essential genital problems. I mean yuck. Plus I have been listening to a lot of standup comedy and Steve Reich and both of those listening experiences are massively fucked up by condom ad interruptions.
― ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
I noticed the same thing as n/a with The Infamous, assumed it was a sample issue.
― boxall, Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
I have access to all of the Swans record though, maybe it just took a few days?
― boxall, Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah it popped up the next day, maybe they were in the process of adding it when I looked the first time.
― congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
You can hear the entirety of Swans' THE SEER on Spotify now...
― C.A.H.OOTS, Monday, 3 September 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
Is there any way to get Spotify to actually say how long a playlist is once you pass the 59-minute barrier. Saying everything from 60 to 119 minutes is '1 hour long' is not useful
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Monday, 3 September 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://tapeop.com/blog/2012/08/11/why-and-how-spotify-managed-get-such-low-royalty-r/
― This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
the guy whose band i'm in ran the numbers: anytime someone streams his entire 10-song album on spotify, he gets paid 5.5 cents. they've paid between $0.0006 and $0.0141 per single song stream.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
there are a variety of reasons why individual songs might not be available on spotify (and rhapsody and mog and sometimes itunes). it's different from case to case. but for starters,m i'm pretty sure that every publisher that has even a small piece of a song has the right to say no, so if there are a lot of songwriters and a lot of samples, that increases the odds someone's going to do so. also, you'd be amazed how often the record companies simply screw up and make songs and albums unavailable by mistake. it's a ridiculously (and needlessly) complicated business.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
The only thing I can say in favour of the low Spotify royalty rates is that more often than not I'm streaming stuff I already paid for on CD, but don't have on my hard drive, so the musicians are being paid a second (admittedly paltry) sum on top of what they already got when I bought their album, purely because of laziness on my part.
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 September 2012 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
I've bought 52 new CDs this year, and all but a handful were trialled on Spotify before purchase. However, even after purchase, most plays are still via Spotify, which does beg the question "so why buy the CDs in the first place". I have my reasons!
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 6 September 2012 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
is it me or does no-one ever say what the royalty rates should (as specifically as possible) be for a service like this? does anyone actually know?
― nashwan, Thursday, 6 September 2012 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
ve bought 52 new CDs this year, and all but a handful were trialled on Spotify before purchase
This too, actually--I've bought a heap of CDs since I got spotify, because of hearing them there
― computers are the new "cool tool" (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 September 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Have to say my CD/download purchasing has lessened as a direct result of Spotify and I'm spending less overall so there's no way that can be good for artists on average. I'm more likely to buy something if it's *not* on Spotify. That said, I've discovered a bunch of artists through Spotify that otherwise would have received £0.00 from me and now have my undying affection and occasional purchase.
― direct references of (seandalai), Thursday, 6 September 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
i'm mostly using spotify the same way I used listening booths in record stores
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2012 08:22 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't bought a CD in years, but have completely transitioned to Spotify from illegal downloads.
― Jeff, Friday, 7 September 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
i like to make hard-copy versions of some of my playlists, so i'll end up looking on itunes/amazon/boomkat for the mp3s if i don't already own the songs in some other format.
― arvo peart (get bent), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
I wish you could search playlists on Spotify, like a playlist that has certain artists. I mean, when I search "goth" I get a lot of goth music I don't like.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
It needs more Boolean operators for sure.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
I wish you could browse by label
― hot slag (lukas), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
If you use the This Is My Jam app, you can click on songs and see all the people who've jammed that song (and thereby see a playlist of all the other songs they've jammed). Not quite the same, but good.
― Alba, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
You can do this by entering "label:________" in the search field. It's not perfect.
― Andy K, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/richhunt35/harveysidfasterspotifylol.jpg
Easy ROFLs are too be had. I'm not complaining too much, if you like dicking around with databases, it's fun.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
I want a search based on song length.
While I'm working, I try to listen to a big mix so the next song surprises me enough to listen and keep me wondering what will come on next. That said, If the next song is eight minutes long and I don't like it, it's not fun anymore obviously.
I came up with this playlist of 26 songs all around 2:18 or so, which is 12 seconds short of an hour. Not every song on that list is a winner, but it doesn't ever drag on you either.
I'd like to make more lists like that. I'm also aware that there are 36 matches on the floor, 36 matches.
― pplains, Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Do a search for every song that begins with the letter "T" in it and save all of the 2:18 ones. Repeat with every letter of the alphabet.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 29 September 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
I notice you can do this with genres as well. I know nothing of Boolean searches, so this is all new to me. Where do you find how stuff is catalogued by Spotify?
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
Here's their list of genres https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=psnjFY3R2itsqjinSs9hkZw
― wk, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Disappointed by the lack of coverage in "genre:yodeling". Only three albums!
― fish frosch (seandalai), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
the genres aren't so great. a bunch more yodeling albums come up (for instance) just searching for 'yodeling' than going thru genre
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://mashable.com/2012/10/05/spotify-revenues/http://9.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/spotify-revenue.jpg
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Well they need to sack some people.
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 5 October 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Uh oh, I have a job interview with these guys. Am I asking for trouble?
― Moodles, Friday, 5 October 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Tell them to fix their damn iOS app.
― Jeff, Friday, 5 October 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
I have a whole list of things they could work on, although the specific job I'm going for may not be one that would have much say over such stuff
― Moodles, Friday, 5 October 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
I hope you looked at their job listings... when you're not at work.
― pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
Worried I was slacking off?
― Moodles, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
I may be paraphrasing it wrong... seems like I hear their house ad "Why don't you come work for us? Check our website now... or maybe when you're not at work." (she says with a grin.) every five minutes.
― pplains, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Thank goodness I'm a subscriber and don't have to hear their terrible ads anymore.
Still, it's odd that they are making such a big hiring push when they are so deep in the hole. I hope that means they have a clear plan on how to turn the corner.
― Moodles, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
i think their (correct) plan is to be in the hole for four years until they have a generation that thinks of them as netflix for music, puts it on their credit card and forgets they're even paying anyone
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 October 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
already happened for me
― Mordy, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
I hope that works, but unlimited free play kind of makes that more difficult
― Moodles, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
I was doing that until I had to close my bank account for reasons that are TMI... Unlimited free play is nice but it means I have to hear those damn condom ads every 4 songs.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Saturday, 6 October 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
I just compiled the "Scorpio Rising" soundtrack -- apparently no one had done this yet!
http://open.spotify.com/user/1245064873/playlist/4Wz7H3L5x0xR9rnp9c4p0W
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 8 October 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
which site does everyone use for good/interesting playlists? there always seems to be hundreds.
― piscesx, Monday, 8 October 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=41
― Crackle Box, Monday, 8 October 2012 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
― fish frosch (seandalai), Monday, 8 October 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
There's a lot of really bad playlists here (http://sharemyplaylists.com/), but you can find great big ones to at least filter some chaff out of.
― pplains, Monday, 8 October 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
guys if I am skipping through an album, are the Spotify + Facebook timelines spammed with EVERY SINGLE TRACK that I skip through?
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
it doesnt usually post every track. I think if you play 5 tracks from the same album it makes that post. (unless its changed today)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
nothing from you has appeared to me fwiw
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
but i am fairly new to fb and dont really understand it fully
does spotify still stream while online w/playlists marked offline?
― cozen, Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://spoti.fi/UB5foW
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
is it fucked up for anyone else? i can play off my playlists but if i try to search it just says "browsing failed - please try again" over and over
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 2 November 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Been listening all day with no problems.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 2 November 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Yes! I have heard of it. Some guy was talking about it the other day.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 2 November 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
that happened to me when I tried to go to an artist page from a search; I got around it by clicking on the specific album I was looking for in the search results
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
spotify has finally arrived in ireland!
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
not even bothered now
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
comhghairdeas!
― Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
is there playlists for all that music that was on the ILX "Rough trade to...." thread?
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Welcome to unlimited listening pleasure, you swarthy papist celts!!
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
A few of the rough guides are linked from here:
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Also a non-zero number of Spotify links in
The ILM Fan-made BEST OF/ANTHOLOGY Compilation project -- POST Tracklists, Cover Art, Liner notes, editorials, spotify links and/or otherwise LEGALLY obtained streaming album lists HERE!
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
^ new blog post i hope
― Mordy, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
New support page if anyones having problemshttp://spoti.fi/Wa8zIy
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 18 November 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone tried new look updated and improved Soundrop app yet?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 19 November 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Just noticed that Zeppelin isn't on there anymore. The whole Zep catalogue used to be on Spotify, and now NOTHING. I'm sad. ;_;
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember the Zeppelin catalog ever being there.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
Oh shit, you might be right. I was probably thinking of the Stones.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
still no Hounds of Love which saddens me since they have every other kate bush record - was that one on a different label than the rest?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Nope, same label as everything else prior to The Sensual World.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Weird one-album gaps like that baffle me. Why no Pretenders debut album, when the rest of their stuff is there?
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen any Zeppelin on Spotify.
Signed,An American
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
No, you're right. I was thinking I'd listened to a ton of Zep on Spotify during the artist poll, but I was confusing that poll with the Stones poll and the Stones listening binge.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
Where are you guys as I can see HoL http://open.spotify.com/album/5BWl0bB1q0TqyFmkBEupZy and 1st Pretenders http://open.spotify.com/album/4oDYsMBe7KtOu12VNMO75k
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
I did figure out that you can find The Beatles on grooveshark by looking for "escarabajos."
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
they need to consolidate their entries and separate others, e.g. there are artist pages for Windy & Carl, Windy and Carl and "Carl, Windy" — and not all of those pages contain the same content. Also the LFO artist page has both the techno duo and the Lyte Funky Ones. The Scott Walker page has some albums from some amateur autotune-using nobody by the same name. Their classical indexing is horrifying. They could pay me $13/hr and I could sort it out for them.
― resplendent quetzal spokil (clouds), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
"This album is not available in the United States" for both the K.Bush and Pretenders links.
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
spotify doesn't have any sort of crowdsourcing where users can suggest records for them to re-evaluate the license status of in their region, does it? because i have a feeling a lot of these gaps in discographies are just some quirk from the past that they never went back to later to fix
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
The issue is that they really don't give a fuck.
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 November 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
where is the new rihanna album i am upset
― nose, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Destroyer's artist page is hilarious, there are records by at least three bands on there, maybe more
― dmr, Tuesday, 20 November 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone know if you can search within a users profile/playlists?
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 December 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link
Try ctrl-F/whatever the Apple equivalent is; that should bring up a filter search for whatever screen you have open.
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 7 December 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
Actually I think it's ctrl-F on Apples, too
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 7 December 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
Tried it, but didn't work. Works ok looking at a single artist, but not a user afaik.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 7 December 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
I see spotify has a web app now
― bant l0u1s j4gg3r (cozen), Sunday, 30 December 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
I sometimes refer to it as "Snotify". Just letting you know.
― cheeseburger, Sunday, 30 December 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 30 December 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, I recently was told about MOG, which is pretty much the same thing as Spotify but browser-based (I think?) and has a slightly different set-up . I really don't have the time or attention to try and be on two different "social music platforms" and Spotify has pretty much replaced iTunes and downloading mp3s for me...
Anyone know if MOG is worth switching to? I kinda prefer a stand-alone application like spotify is, and it has built in audioscrobbling... But from what I hear the "cool kids" use MOG.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
I used MOG for a bit a year ago. MOG didn't have the social/sharing side worked out as well as spotify at the time. perhaps it's changed.
― Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
MOG's ipad app was also hilariously bad. don't know if that's changed.
― Binder, Binder & (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
friend of mine swears by it. I don't know how their catalog or pricing compares to Spotify.
I use Spotify pretty heavily. Especially after I accidentally upgraded to iTunes 11.
No Kompakt and no Drag City are still the biggest holes as far as records I search for and then remember "d'oh, they still don't have that"
― dmr, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
The biggest hole with Spotify for me is that every single track from a UMG label has some weird defective codec thing where it sounds like it's being heard through a table fan (kind of a rapid-rate whooshing that's especially audible on elements such as cymbals, chorus, reverb decay, and strings at a moderate dynamic level. Motown, Deutsche Grammophon, ECM, Decca, it's just a giant swath of classic records fucked up.
It's not specific to Spotify either, I first noticed it on UMG tracks from eMusic and Amazon MP3. Seems like when Universal went through the humungous task, several years ago, of converting all their holdings to MP3 in order to enter the digital sales realm, someone had something set to 'fastest conversion/lowest quality' or something.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
aka the mistake was so huge that there's so question of UMG reconverting their entire library.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Computing power is pretty cheap these days. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to reconvert their entire catalog to MP3, assuming they were halfway smart about archiving everything in a lossless format the first time through.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Lewis OTM, noticed similar issues.
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Is there a playlist or app or something that actually lists everything new added to Spotify? I subscribe to someone's weekly releases playlist but he misses a lot of stuff and the What's New doesn't have nearly everything that's new...
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 January 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
There really should be something that plugs into your Last.fm or w/e and tells you about new-on-Spotify releases. There's this I guess, trying it out now: http://spofm.net/
― Two days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Thursday, 17 January 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
anyone having issues with the browsing function today ?
― ω (carne asada), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?hp&_r=1&
Even for an under-the-radar artist like Ms. Keating, who describes her style as “avant cello,” the numbers painted a stark picture of what it is like to be a working musician these days. After her songs had been played more than 1.5 million times on Pandora over six months, she earned $1,652.74. On Spotify, 131,000 plays last year netted just $547.71, or an average of 0.42 cent a play
Complicating the issue, each type of service pays different rates. Pandora’s are set by law. Spotify declined to comment on its rates, but according to a number of music executives who have negotiated with the company, it generally pays 0.5 to 0.7 cent a stream (or $5,000 to $8,000 per million plays) for its paid tier, and as much as 90 percent less for its free tier.
The companies behind streaming are ballooning quickly. Pandora, with 67 million regular users, is publicly traded, with a market capitalization of nearly $2 billion, and Spotify’s investors have reportedly valued the company at $3 billion. Yet so far they have contributed relatively little to the American recording industry’s $7 billion bottom line.
In its last four reported quarters, Pandora paid $202 million in “content acquisition costs,” including licensing fees, and Spotify recently announced that it has paid $500 million in royalties since its inception. Downloads, by comparison, had $2.6 billion in sales in 2011, according to the Recording Industry Association of America.
For those whose income depends on royalties, the biggest concern has been whether streaming cannibalizes CD and download sales by offering a cheap or free alternative.
Cliff Burnstein, whose company, Q Prime, manages Metallica and other major acts, said that even if streaming hurts sales, all is not lost as long as the number of paying subscribers continues to climb rapidly.
“There is a point at which there could be 100 percent cannibalization, and we would make more money through subscriptions services,” Mr. Burnstein said. “We calculate that point at approximately 20 million worldwide subscribers.”
Metallica recently announced an exclusive deal with Spotify.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
I've bought more records (many of which were used, I'll admit) since I started using spotify. I bought several new Blue Note reissues last month solely because of the ILM Jazz poll and my ability to quickly listen to the placing albums on spotify. If they find a way to make spotify sustainable for artists and I end up paying more for the service, that's great. I won't complain. But if some quiet car riding contingent finds a way to ruin this model, I will never forgive them. fuck your downloads.
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
(I will disclose that my future career will benefit from a sustainable increase in bandwidth demands on data centers. But streaming video will make that happen anyway.)
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
spotify is horrible for artists and lacks any form of curatorial instinct or interest in remedying either of these issues; i'm inclined to think something better will come along but i'm absolutely an addict
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
The curatorial part comes from the sharing/subscribing. I think that i prefer it that way. Mog had better guest lists and suggestions, but the lack of sharing/collaboration was a bummer. The spotify apps are also better.
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
i think he means how a lot of artists' old records are randomly missing even when they're on the same label as the available ones and thus clearly licensed
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
spotify et al aren't going to ever be 'sustainable for the artist' - or at least the avant cello player types - because people just don't value music the same way they did before it became just another form of 0s and 1s. remember the prison riots whe netflix raised prices a few bucks?
― iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
but does spotify hurt an avant cello player so much?
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
I guess your argument is that spotify has devalued music, and all artists that cannot generate an income outside of their recorded work (such as avant cellists) are hurt.
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
nah music was already devalued, spotify's just offering it at the going rate
― iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
which is nothing
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
Leftsetz is convinced one of these services will eventually have enough subsribers to pay some musicians some money
Make a record that sticks, you'll get paid by streaming services for the rest of your life.
Which one?
Could be Spotify, MOG/Daisy or Deezer
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
the other thing that doesn't really get addressed enough is the supply side of this. there is a lot of music out there, there are a lot of musicians out there. there are only so many hours in the day to listen to music and so once everyone who values music enough to pay $10 a month for it is on spotify etc it becomes something of a zero sum game. like, when spotify adds the beatles that's going to hurt every musician on spotify who isn't paul mccartney or ringo starr.
― iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
Is the $ per stream linear with respect to streams from the same user? If you get 0.5 cents per stream, artists should get a spotify account, play one of their 2 minute tracks continuously for 24 hrs of every day, and collect $1,300 per year. open 25 accounts on 25 cheap computers.
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
I still don't think people are seeing the numbers right. A half penny per stream might not be so bad. The model I've used before is of an album that sells 10,000 copies. It has ten songs on it, so if everyone plays the album all the way through, that's 100,000 songs played. Over time, if everyone plays the album ten times, that's 1,000,000 songs played.
If it's an album that's streaming, that's $5,000 income on the million streams. Is $5,000 income so bad on the equivalent of an album that sold only 10,000 copies? Especially considering that there was no manufacturing and distribution involved?
― timellison, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
I still don't think people are seeing the numbers right
Sorry, this sounds pedantic.
― timellison, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
!
― calstars, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
these companies take precautions against fraud, including little 'are you still listening' notifications and I'm sure if someone tried to listen to the same avant cello artist for a week straight, spotify would look into it
tho it'd be curious if an artist w/ a moderately large fanbase were like 'dear dedicated fans please listen to me on spotify...a lot...wink wink'
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'm using the free version of Spotify at the moment. I already pay for the Rhapsody premium service. I'm noticing a lot more albums from 2013 available on Spotify than Rhapsody. Rhapsody must not pay shite.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
Is there anywhere that defines what exactly constitues a 'play' in all these services' numbers? Is it when the song is completed? Loaded? Played through at least 15%? I'm basically wondering if sampling a track for a couple seconds or even minutes and then skipping it counts.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 03:24 (eleven years ago) link
spotify doesn't pay per play, it's part of the reason they don't have transparent statistics on most played tracks
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
where did you read that spotify doesn't pay per play
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
what fucks me off the most about spotify is that it lists the date of an album as the date it was made available on spotify, rather than the date of release. i.e. duke ellington and louis armstrong "together again" is listed as 2012 rather than 1966
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
So it turns out I'm not crazy, my ears weren't playing tricks on me, and there is a reason just about all spotify tracks (and emusic and amazon downloads etc) originating from UMG labels sound weird and fluttery. It's not, as I presumed, a defect in the codec they used to digitise their holdings; rather, it's a deliberately introduced, ostensibly 'inaudible' sonic watermark. Even the flacs you can buy of UMG material from sites like Passionato have it. The only way to get a good-sounding file of a UMG track is to... yes... buy it from UMG's own webstore. Where they only offer a scant sliver of their material anyway.
Mystery was unraveled here:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=89818
And neatly summarized here:
http://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermark
So yeah do not ever pay money for a digital file of anything on Island, Motown, ECM, Deutsche Grammophon, Decca, Def Jam, Blue Note, Impulse, the list goes on and on and on. And if yr listening to it on Spotify, yes it sounds fucked up on purpose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels
(This all belongs just as much on the RIAA Armageddon thread I suppose, since the watermarks are supposed to be a way for the label to know what digital vendor an illegally shared file was originally bought from).
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
i've never understood why articles like the one just linked always seem to compare spotify's royalty rates to album or single sales when radio play is arguably a more appropriate comparison
if i buy a CD, i pay for it once and that's it. if i play a song on spotify, that play "counts" for the artist every single time.
xpost whoa that is fuuuucked! up!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
why would the sonic watermark need to last the whole song? couldn't it be .1 seconds long and still do the job
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
it's deeply fucked up and kind of puts me off the digital delivery mode altogether, I mean this weird sound has been driving me crazy for ages!
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
xpost that's a good q and I think it's not on every second of a track, but on periodic swathes of it?
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yet another reason that I buy CDs and make my own rips.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
it's pono or bust for the lot of us
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
porno or bust?!?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
That's especially lame that they did that on the FLAC versions too, which are supposed to be lossless.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
i may well be wrong on the per play pointbut they're pointed about not sharing those stats
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
the thing I didn't know until that Times article is that Spotify pays a different royalty rate for whether the play was a free account or paid
it generally pays 0.5 to 0.7 cent a stream (or $5,000 to $7,000 per million plays) for its paid tier, and as much as 90 percent less for its free tier.
since only 25% of accounts are paid that seems like a huge percentage of plays that aren't worth shit really
― dmr, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
also insane that the Gangnam Style youtube video has made $8 million
― dmr, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
well they're worth something in that they're more likely to be converted into a paying user if spotify works well
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Are free accounts still unrestricted in the US? When it switched to 10 hours/month (or whatever it is) in the UK, a lot of people jumped ship but I assume some proportion were incentivised to subscribe.
― questino (seandalai), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
I had a free account and then it ran out of freeness so I got a paid one, I think you just get a few months or something
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
Really? I've had a free account for a while now. I guess I don't use it that much though.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
Good article by a Galaxy 500 dude on what Spotify does (not) do for artists:
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/8993-the-cloud/
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
Oh and to be clear I still don't care.
I still do not believe it is Spotify's problem. They are legally offering this music. If artists are upset they should be bringing it up with their labels.
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
you gotta feel for damon but at the same time it's hard to square this:
"As businesses, Pandora and Spotify are divorced from music. To me, it's a short logical step to observe that they are doing nothing for the business of music-- except undermining the simple cottage industry of pressing ideas onto vinyl, and selling them for more than they cost to manufacture. "
with this:
"In fact, I subscribe to Spotify for $9.99 a month (the equivalent of 680,462 annual plays of "Tugboat") because I love music, and the access it gives me to music of all kinds is incredible."
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
that's to say 'the business of music' includes the consumer side of things too
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Not harshing on the artist (well I guess I am kinda) but he's not getting anything from the vinyl edition of the tugboat 7" since they first got sold way back when. I'm under the impression small vinyl runs still often sell out these days?
― badg, Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/02/27/spotify-the-social-network-arrives-begins-rolling-out-follow-features-to-users/
― markers, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
Rooting for Spotify, can't decide if I feel guilty about that or not.
― eris bueller (lukas), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
had that follow tab for months
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
it told me to follow lana del rey. couldnt find a fuck off button.
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
i still don't have it
― markers, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
give me yours
― markers, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
months is an exaggeration but def a few weeks at least. I wouldnt say its a big deal tbh
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
I dont trust its recommendations one little bit eitherhttp://i.imgur.com/us20Q6F.png
so you can have them markers!
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
skrillex is your favorite band
― markers, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
daniel ek knows you better than you know yourself
i was more upset about the xx and lana del rey
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
the last fm app is waaaaaaaaaay better
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
that seems like a company without a future but it's been here for a while and it's still around so
― markers, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
last.fm is great.
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
i just got this update. it says people are "following" me who haven't received the update. kinda strange.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 06:32 (eleven years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
no, the last.fm app on spotify is better at recommending than the new spotify feature
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
I got this today. Cheeky fuckers.
http://mikeatkinson.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/spotifyfail.gif
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 10 March 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
wow they know you so well!
I had no idea personal recommendations had been rolled out yet.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 10 March 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
I just also subscribed to Mog. In large part bc they have the ECM catalog, which for me is no small deal.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 10 March 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify doesn't seem to understand the whole point of recommendations is to introduce you to unfamiliar music you'd probably like based on what you listen to, not stuff that's all over the radio that you already know
― Lee626, Monday, 11 March 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
if you've had spotify installed on your iphone since upgrading from iOS4 you might wanna uninstall it and reinstall again from the app store. have a feeling i'd been running the older version for iOS4 for ages when i could have had this slick new version!
― Crackle Box, Monday, 11 March 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
They just released the Spotify app for my Samsung TV in the US, woo!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 11 March 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
weirdly, for about a day this weekend, the whole pink floyd discography was available on spotify (the remasters)....now it's gone again....
but i listened to obscured by clouds on my phone you can't take that away from me
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
All still available on Mog.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
Got the update today and now search seems helluva slow and clicking on artist link from search results doesn't do anything. Anyone else having problems?
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah search is bollocksed and the new interface is weird.
― aztec table rapper (seandalai), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
been slow for a while. Since I got my new laptop for xmas Spotify takes about 5 mins to load up too
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not in love with the new iPhone interface, I don't really like having the little play strip at the bottom of the screen come up by default instead of the full screen view and it seems like my playlist are taking much longer to load.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
oh things are waaaaay faster for me, i have iphone 4. i did wipe the app and reinstall from scratch tho.
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't noticed any speed differences, but I do hate the new artist and album pages.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
The stupid fucking app still just stops playing for some reason. I don't pay $10 a month to be a beta tester for spotify.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
you've tried re-installing it? that fixed any glitches i've had. i usually have about 10gb synched offline and i've got about 1000 playlists; this is the first version of the app where it seems comfortable with that...
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
offline mode kinda useless when it randomly decides you need to log in again
― eris bueller (lukas), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Jeff, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:48 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm sure you thought of this but if you share the subscription with someone else and they start to use it while you're already using it, it will cut you off
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, we don't share, Carl and I have separate accounts.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
Hate the new desktop version. Slower, bloatier (it blipped up to 790k yesterday), looks worse, and I've lost total playlist times and follower lists for my playlists.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
Dropping the playlist times seems particular dopey to me. Now I edit my playlists in Rdio and then just mirror them in Spotify when I'm done.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for the warnings guys. Not updating til I get an all-clear. Playlist total times is essential!
― multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
055. Pere Ubu - Final Solution (1839 points, 13 votes, 0 #1s)youtube: http://youtu.be/VelS-YCtHV4spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/1qWYoeFX94VUG398y2eTDX
― Your spectacular host (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
how do I get spotify to stop looking like itunes, I liked the dark grey
― C: (crüt), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
wrong thread viceroy,lol
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
lol sorry wrong thread
― Your spectacular host (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, reboot is hella buggy
― the craziest half-court shots and wildest WAGs (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
New version sucks. You can reinstall the last older version from filehorse, but it's just going to auto-update next time you launch it.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
Man, that's Spotify and iTunes that I'm having to hold back on.
― pplains, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Unlike iTunes, Spotify auto-updates. The next time you close the program and restart it, you'll be stuck with the new version.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
(On the desktop app, at least. Mobile might still be optional.)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't noticed any changes on Spotify?
― pplains, Thursday, 14 March 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
If not now, you'll see them soon.
I just played around with Rdio for a little bit, but it's still worse than Spotify.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
I just rebooted Spotify to see these terrible changes and I see nothing different, either
― Darth Icky (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Mainly, they changed the way the social aspect works (you have to follow people now...ungh), but they also toyed around with the functionality of the layout. Artist and album pages are completely different now, along with minor changes to playlist pages—NONE of which are an improvement.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
Huh, maybe my work firewall is blocking the update? I still see nothing different in any of those areas, although admittedly I rarely actively use the social aspect and all of my playlists/queuing is behaving exactly as I'd expect.
― Darth Icky (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
crashing a lot lately, or failing to boot up :/
― Creme Fraichepoop (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
I don't have much use for the social aspect of it either, but that seems to be the major push of this update (and people who do use it aren't thrilled). Mainly, I just hate the white backgrounds and the inability to choose between versions of albums on the artist pages (like, maybe I don't always want to listen to a deluxe edition if the regular edition is also available).
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
It's not a dealbreaker for me but the update is definitely no improvement. Also, I'm not sure how following people is supposed to work - I assumed I would have a feed of new playlists or maybe favourites but the functionality is very limited (unless I'm missing something?).
― aztec table rapper (seandalai), Thursday, 14 March 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
crashing a lot lately, or failing to boot up :/― Creme Fraichepoop (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
― the craziest half-court shots and wildest WAGs (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 March 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
WTF playlists don't show up in searches anymore?!? Spotify what the fuck are you thinking?!
― Your spectacular host (Viceroy), Friday, 15 March 2013 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
For Windows Vista/7 (and I presume 8?):
old version from here:
http://www.filehorse.com/download-spotify/11842/
and then used this
Go to C:/Users/<Name>/Appdata/Roaming/Spotify
1. Make a new empy text file
2. Name it Spotify_new.exe
3. Right click the file and make the file read only
1. Make a new empty text file
2. Name it Spotify_new.exe.sig
Spotify will not be able to update because it can't delete the files, because they are read only, all future upgrades will fail.
This method is easy to use and permanent.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 March 2013 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
I just did this. I had to uninstall nu-Spotify completely, then install the older version. THEN you replace that exe and sig file with the read-only blanks. That order of events is important, or else the new one will auto-install again.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 March 2013 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone on a Mac been forced into the new version? With everything else – browsers, iTunes, ADOBE – I have to give permission for it to download a new version.
Now, I don't know what the hell was in those Terms of Agreement I mindlessly checked, so who knows.
― pplains, Friday, 15 March 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
The Mac fix is similar:
You just need to do following steps: Make sure you don't have the new version installedIf you have 0.8.5 installed, go to your ~/Library/-Folder within your user folder(if you can't see it in Finder, enter "open ~/Library/" in Terminal)Navigate to: /Users/[YourUsername]/Library/Application Support/SpotifyThere you need to create 2 Files with read-only permissions:Spotify_new.archiveSpotify_new.archive.sig(If the files already exist because Spotify downloaded them previously, just delete them before creating your own files.) And you're done! You should now be a happy 0.8.5 User :-)
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 March 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
Can people see that you're following them? I liked it before when I got to spy on everyone for nothing.
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 15 March 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm most annoyed by the loss of playlist times. It was having trouble adding new songs to playlists, too.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 15 March 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
List of flaws here: http://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Horrible-update-0-8-8/m-p/265126#M3260
List of issues that Spitify have pledged to fix: http://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Horrible-update-0-8-8/m-p/316082#M34646
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 16 March 2013 08:43 (eleven years ago) link
Several of the bugs mentioned existed before this update, like the album order issue and the ordering of search results.
― Darth Icky (DJP), Saturday, 16 March 2013 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
Using that workaround with v0.8.5 is super easy and worth it.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 16 March 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
this update sucks. i want to look at which playlists i am sharing. is there any way i can do it without scrolling through all of them and noting each one? i haev a lot of playlists!!
― tpp, Saturday, 16 March 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
I searched for this, but couldn't find any results that made sense: how do you create those files on a Mac?
― pplains, Saturday, 16 March 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
after i updated instead of having my facebook friends show up on my activity feed, it is now populated exclusively by a dutch guy into barbara streisand and some lady from detroit
― Spectrum, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
la bateau ivre?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
another shitty thing: the space bar - the universal play/pause button in all music programs including spotify up until last week - now activates some "post track to feed" thing
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 18 March 2013 11:05 (eleven years ago) link
what the update improved is that when you press play the shit actually tends to work consistently nowwhat the update botched is most everything else
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
Those files are just blank text files named accordingly. Easy to do on pc, and presumably just as easy on a Mac?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 18 March 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Five play limit removed for free UK users
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9940432/Spotify-removes-five-play-song-cap.html
― Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Free at last!
― Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
The commercials on Spotify are a deal-breaker for me -- when i stream, i use grooveshark.
― suspecterrain, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
That's because you're using the free version.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
I prefer Grooveshark too, except it's not as reliable on the streaming and you're not guaranteed that every song you line up will play.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe grooveshark hasn't been shut down yet by the riaa
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
Rdio is good.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
I realize it's splitting hairs here, but Grooveshark is a completely rogue operation while Rdio/Spotify/MOG/etc are at least throwing a pittance back at the artists whose recordings they stream.
I signed up for Rdio, but immediately found they had only about 10 of the first 20 things I looked for and cancelled my membership.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't had any major problems with the Spotify update or the UI changes.
― I Don't Wanna Be Dissed (By Anyone But You) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
It's not splitting hairs e.g. Grooveshark. The only thing missing from that site are speedometer.gifs with little bouncing needles and a Gamesheep banner ad.
I still use it though.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
I just upgraded from the basic Nook to the color HD Nook (basically so I can read illegally DL'ed comix on it) and hilariously enough the Nook 'app store' offers Grooveshark alongside Spotify, something Apple refused to do...
― Jeff "Skink" Baxter (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
the major label artists who are on spotify are getting fucked probably either way and likely don't have a say, unless they are like pink floyd or someone like that
but indie labels can opt in or out of spotify based on whether they think the exposure/etc is worth the low royalty rates...grooveshark does not grant them that option
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify has been working a lot better for me, its not freezing up or stalling and the search seems to be better too.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
I've been perfectly happy the last few days with my rigged older version that prevents the update. When they work out all the kinks and maybe fix the UI, I'll upgrade again.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
Neither service is worth paying for, IMO
― suspecterrain, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
if spotify was the blue note app alone it would be worth the cost of two cups of coffee a month for a subscription, throw in everything else and it's pretty easily worth paying for unless you're destitute or something.
― balls, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i can't even fathom how could can say it's not worth $10 or $5 a month
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
_That's because you're using the free version._Neither service is worth paying for, IMO
$10/mo is nothing. If you can't afford it, you can spend $5/mo for ad-free streaming. If you can't afford that, you're a loser.
At the moment, I'm also subscribing to MOG because I really want to ECM catalogue as well. So that's $20/mo, which is--gasp--$240/year total. Which probably equals a couple of months of what I used to spend in a pre-P2P era.
When you consider that you are getting instant access to virtually every record you ever wanted, have some principled stance against the idea of subscription services because they pay so little to artists (a fair criticism), or don't buy $120 worth of music per year, it's a no brainer, really.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 21 March 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
Er, that's supposed to read:
UNLESS you have some principled stance...
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 21 March 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
Otm. Try to put back some of what I don't spend by going to gigs, where I may even buy a CD directly from the artist.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 March 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's worth the money for having no annoying ads and the usage of the mobile app, which has changed my listening habits more than pretty much anything else ever, it's amazing.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 21 March 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
it's hard to argue that the ability to download 10,000 songs of your choice to 3 mobile devices isn't worth $10 a month
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 March 2013 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
wau @ the blue note app
wau
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 March 2013 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
just listened to a whole album by this guy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmo_Hope
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
Love that guy. First heard his record way back in Paris at La Paillote on Rue Monsieur-le-Prince then decades later saw his widow Bertha Hope, who latter married one of the jazz Bookers - Booker Little or Booker Ervin I can't remember, don't think Walter Booker- perform once at one of those little restaurant jazz gigs I like to go to before they finally shuts down first the jazz and then the restaurant.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Of course in the future we won't have any more of these kind of stories, it will all be more like - "I first heard that song when I finally successfully upgraded after they fixed the bug in the search engine and the scrolling unfroze."
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Also, meant to type last night that I recently got a mass mailing from a friend saying he just finished recording his latest album. Yesterday I checked it out on Spotify after which I sent him an email to tell him that I liked it, upon which he immediately replied to ask where I had heard it. An hour or two later he sent out an email about his tour to support his new recording, now available at iTunes, CDBaby and streaming on Spotify. Meanwhile as I was talking to another guy about this and pointed to a third guy saying "you know he took his record off Spotify" to which the second guy replied "I told them to take mine off too" and then of course he admitted, like Damon Krukowski before him, that he used the service himself to listen to stuff. Not sure what my point is exactly, just trying to anecdotally limn the mixed-up, shook-up digital world that we live in.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
That brings up back to the ownership vs. access culture regarding media. I'm fine with having access the rest of my life, because I've owned too many albums in my life and getting rid of them is a hassle and they take up space and I'd rather dedicate my time to buying other things when I can just access music new and old like I do cable television or movies on Netflix or any other monthly expense. I'm sorry the streaming model seems like a ripoff so far, but I'm prioritizing ME and my wants.
So selfish.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still not really clear how an album I recorded in the 90s ended up on Spotify and who gets paid when it gets played.
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
You should contact them and find out. I'm sure that's a question a lot of people have.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'd like to find out just for curiousity's sake. I like that it is available and I'm positive no one is actually profiting off of it.
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
my band's old stuff that's on spotify is the stuff that we sold through cdbaby, so i guess cdbaby and spotify have a connection, either directly or indirectly
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
if it's turning people on to elmo hope, it's doing SOME good
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, I just found my old band on there too.
Spotify should be paying you if you get stuck with those on a playlist.
― pplains, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
Poor people. Fuck em.
― Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Oh no!
http://i.imgur.com/Ynor9k8.png
I feel like I'm on the bus in Speed. I can't ever turn the ignition off again!
― pplains, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Just added text files to that folder Johnny Fever posted (and made them read only). We'll see what happens.
― pplains, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
Hey Spotify, how about fucking off with putting '2009 Digital Remaster' after every Kraftwerk track title. We don't need to know and it messes up my last.fm page.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
I'm *glad* they do that because they often offer different masterings of the same album, and frankly that's my favorite thing about spotify considering how many fucked up remasters there are out there
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
They could put that stuff in the album title. It annoys me too.
― aztec table rapper (seandalai), Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
working a bit better today so far
yeah i mean ethics and all aside
the blue note app for spotify is just about one of the most amazing things ever done in music IMO
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
I think I did the fix about a week ago now and I haven't had any problems with it at all.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
text files with nothing in 'em except for the filename, right?
― pplains, Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, they're just blank text files, but save them with the file extensions shown above.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 21 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
They could put that stuff in the album title
Exactly.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 21 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
this updated version is constantly crashing on my ubuntu machine grr
― tpp, Thursday, 21 March 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, ditto. although it was never tooooo stable anyway.
― original bgm, Friday, 22 March 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
This app is reversed-engineered using alien technology
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 March 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
"Like to install the latest version of Spotify?" Haha, Fever, you rock.
― pplains, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
I was able to create read-only files. I am a computer genius.
― pplains, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
I updated the client on my pc last night so I could build out a playlist based on the 70s poll results. Wow, I had some frustrating problems, especially with opening albums from the spotify URLs in the 70s thread. The client crashed or lost its connection a bunch of times. I finally gave up on using the links and just started looking up the albums in the spotify search bar and that worked a lot better.
They need a way to copy and paste a url directly into the client or better yet, have some kind of playlist url mass entry box where you can copy and paste a whole list of urls and generate a playlist from them.
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
Another annoying thing: when you click a spotify URL it opens up a browser window with links to your music and related music. If you click the background/border of the spotify browser tab, it opens up a really terrible generic house album. Since I was clicking back and forth between my browser and the spotify client a lot last night, I accidently clicked on the browser border about a million times, so I kept getting this same terrible house music, which really spoiled my 70s hard rock vibe.
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
I think I can help you there moodles from now on (thanks for doing the playlist!)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
thanks, I should be able to crank through the rest of the list either tonight or tomorrow morning
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
cool. you just put that other link in search bar and it will take you right there (unless its not in your country so you need to search your own version)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
ah, didn't realize you could plug urls into spotify search
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
the spotify: ones yes you can not http ones
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
gotcha
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
oh man the Blue Note app. see you in a few hours after I finish messing with the "Blue Break Beats" section.
― dmr, Friday, 22 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Understand that is the only way to locate yr Denny Vertigo albums.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 March 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
I thought those were only available on MOG.
― pplains, Friday, 22 March 2013 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
can anyone tell me how i can stop spotify of starting automatically after turning on my windows xp computer?
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 23 March 2013 11:06 (eleven years ago) link
go to spotify preferences (edit > preferences)
way down the list, you'll see "open Spotify automatically after you log into the computer"
set it to "don't open automatically"
― Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 23 March 2013 11:11 (eleven years ago) link
thanks!
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 23 March 2013 11:18 (eleven years ago) link
I've always heard of Spotify ever since it started, but is it really that good? I've yet to try it, but I've heard it has ads in the middle of a song, unless you pay to remove them. Is this true?
If this is so, I'd much rather stick to 8tracks, even though Spotify seems to have more variety, people on board and, thus, a higher potential to discover new music.
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
The free version has ads in between every few songs, not in the middle of songs. The pay version doesn't have ads. It gives you access to a huge library of music. The premium version allows you to download up to 3333 tracks on a single mobile device, 10000 across 3 devices.
― Moodles, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
and they have higher bitrates if you pay £10 a month
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for the info, guys. I'm sold. I will create an account right now.
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
At one point it had ads in between songs that were like 15 minutes or longer, but that doesn't happen anymore.
― Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
Have any of you tried the iPhone app? Thoughts?
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
It works really well if you have premium. I currently don't have premium so I can't use it. You get a 48 hour free trial of Spotify mobile when you start a free account.
― Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
I played around with it for that 48 hour window and it was much better than say, Pandora... obv cause you can choose exactly what you want to listen to.
― Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
App is frustrating as hell. Buggy.
― Jeff, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
My user is 573v3n on there. Please feel free to add me, guys!
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
I like the iPhone app, it seems to do everything the Mac version does.
The Spotify plug-in for SqueezeCenter has the ability to show recent searches and recently played artists and albums. It seems strange those features aren't available in the iPhone or Mac apps. Maybe I just haven't found them?
― Brad C., Sunday, 24 March 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
SqueezeCenter? Is Logitech still supporting that?
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 March 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know what level of support is available any more ... I haven't seen any updates in a while. It's still working fine on my system.
― Brad C., Sunday, 24 March 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'm actually running Logitech Media Server now.
― Brad C., Sunday, 24 March 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify and attempts to reinstall have been crashing on me for about 2 weeks now. Is it an OSX thing, as I'm still on 10.5.8?
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 25 March 2013 10:45 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe ... it hasn't crashed for me on 10.8.3, though it loads slowly.
― Brad C., Monday, 25 March 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
i had problems with it crashing, then with its becoming unusable after it updated itself, so i de-updated it and blocked it from updating per instructions above in this thread; but now it's back to crashing on startup again. worst piece of software i've used in years.
― j., Monday, 25 March 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
it's been slower for me since the update but not crashing, thankfully. aren't they supposed to be offering a browser-based version at some point?
― dmr, Monday, 25 March 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
You rang? https://play.spotify.com/
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 March 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Are you buying everything on CD or on iTunes? Because as someone who was a big illegal downloader for a long time, I pretty much feel like there's no justification whatsoever for it unless you're trying to hunt Dow something that is completely out of print and otherwise impossible to find.$10/mo is nothing. If you can't afford it, you can spend $5/mo for ad-free streaming. If you can't afford that, you're a loser.At the moment, I'm also subscribing to MOG because I really want to ECM catalogue as well. So that's $20/mo, which is--gasp--$240/year total. Which probably equals a couple of months of what I used to spend in a pre-P2P era.When you consider that you are getting instant access to virtually every record you ever wanted, have some principled stance against the idea of subscription services because they pay so little to artists (a fair criticism), or don't buy $120 worth of music per year, it's a no brainer, really.― Naive Teen Idol
― Naive Teen Idol
There has not been a year in the last 25 that i haven't spent between $1-5k on music. I don't stream for any other reason than to preview the desirability of some titeles (or i'll do an illegal dl -- but again, only for preview -- or if the material is hopelessly unavailable through legitimate means). Grooveshark still shows ads, but i'm not forced to read to them like you are forced to listen on Spotify. The FCC has done a huge injustice to public airwaves by making both radio and television a simple rubber-stamped commodity.
My mobile music is comprised mainly of items i've pre-sifted; and i save album listening for the home stereo -- streaming the bulk you listening is yet another form of instant gratification that makes many of so shallow. Fight.
― suspecterrain, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
Your last sentence makes no sense.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
his last sentence is "Fight."
― Darth Icky (DJP), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
lol *hi-five*
― Darth Icky (DJP), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify, or streaming to multiple devices simply does not apply to the manner in which i choose to listen to music. If the only advantage for opting for the pay version of Spotify is the absence of Ads, than i can attain the same with the free version of Grooveshark.
― suspecterrain, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
- bob marley
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm glad there are still some people like suspecterrain who purchase the artifact (cd, record, etc), because I'm definitely not one of those people. After building a cassette, then cd, then vinyl collection between the ages of 14 and, say, 35, I'm honestly glad I don't have to lug that shit around with me from address to address anymore and I can just pay for access rather than ownership.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
How frequently do you move?
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Twice in the last three years.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
But that aside, I sort of love not owning all that stuff anymore.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
owning a shit-ton of CDs is 95% awesome, 5% "oh fuck, which case did I put that Speed Limit 104+ BPM comp in when I was being lazy"
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
i love buying stuff
i'm a huge vinyl collector person, all you ppl that never hear analog sound are missing out on music basically! it's true! how snobby do you want me to get??? i can do it
but spotify is fucking amazing, there's no question
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
Does I Heart Radio not compare to Spotify? Or does it have its pros?
On another note, I'm torn between owning records and having a huge music library digitally, because I not only move frequently, but have had to move countries a few times.
Also, what happens when your external HDD goes kaput? I'd hate to lose thousands upon thousands of tracks.
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
i heart radio is basically just for listening to clear channel corporate stations online right?
On another note, I'm torn between owning records and having a huge music library digitally^^thankfully this is not actually a choice you have to make :)
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
Also, what happens when your external HDD goes kaput?
had this happen twice now
this is why spotify
― cozen, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Can I ask you guys that don't have cds and records etc what you use to play digital dl and streaming on? Not just your computer with headphones right? I do a lot of listening like that, via my laptop - usually late at night but if I can I'll pump cds and records from my separates system but the sound is 20 times better.
Can anyone recommend a speaker set I can plug straight into my laptop - or is there more to it than that?
― kraudive, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
My car stereo has a usb port, so I just dump mp3s on a thumb drive once every month or two and hit shuffle. It goes on forever without repeating. Most of my Spotify use is at work through headphones. I don't listen to much music inside my home, which is why I guess I felt okay selling off my physical collection(s).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
laptop speakers
YOLO
― cozen, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
God, I miss ripping off Columbia House.
― pplains, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Haha otm
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
iPhone via Bluetooth to DAC to hi-fi. The DAC is essential.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
i'm a huge vinyl collector person, all you ppl that never hear analog sound are missing out on music basically!
Can I ask you guys that don't have cds and records etc what you use to play digital dl and streaming on? Not just your computer with headphones right?
lol, I listen to vinyl and cassettes through my computer! Everything goes into an AD converter, then out through the DA converter into a volume control and to active speakers. I could even listen to a record, a tape, itunes, and spotify simultaneously this way if I wanted to!
― wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
theoretically I could listen to CDs too, but why? fuck those things.
― wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
I've been trying to buy more new vinyl so long as it comes packaged with free mp3 downloads. Sometimes it's great, sometimes not. Just got a vinyl copy of Purity Ring's Shrines and the mp3s sound better.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
I don't have to lug that shit around with me from address to address anymore and I can just pay for access rather than ownership.― Johnny Fever
― Johnny Fever
No doubt it's a large volume of music that needs to be lugged around.... As you, i have also amassed cassette and CD collections as they were "of the day", but i have also always bought LPs. Most of my my main LP stax were attained 15 years before i even owned my first turntable (and probably 10 years for my CDs) -- so i would take most of that material and copy to cassette as full albums/comps/mixes and keep them in long-term storage in the home of a less-transient family member. So far, i have only moved my entire stax twice.
Also, a large part of having physical stax is the "flipping through" that helps choose the next album/track -- i have listened to tons of stuff on my mp3 players, but have little success doing so organically (where each individual track is played "as you go" -- in fact, i'd wager that i could make a better sequenced mix in less time "live" than trying to scroll through and endless list of artists/albums,etc). I love the physicality of music, but never when away from home -- playlists and album selections can be pulled from the stax, dumped to a microSD, and i'm good to go.
In bang-for-buck, your investment is certainly far more wise than mine; but then, i was never in it to spend my dollars wisely ;)
― suspecterrain, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
Can anyone recommend a speaker set I can plug straight into my laptop - or is there more to it than that?― kraudive
― kraudive
Save a second-hand stereo, you need either powered monitors, or, maybe, this el-cheapo TeiNuro
― suspecterrain, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 03:24 (eleven years ago) link
try this: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=310-500
― suspecterrain, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
suspectterrain not opposed to some quality laptop listening.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
not myself; just something that might help a brother out.
― suspecterrain, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
And it's appreciated! Bought something similar today. Chopping vegetables won't be such a chore in future.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Weird thing about iPhone app: if it goes down, either by powering down the phone or killing the app, it forgets about certain playlists and that they are supposed to be available offline, but if you reset them to offline right away it will usually realize that it has the files sitting on the device.
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 March 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah that's not awesome.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 29 March 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
Never had that happen
― Moodles, Friday, 29 March 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe you only have a few playlists?
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 March 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
I've been having a problem with the Spotify app over the last few days where a song will play for a few seconds and then pause for a few seconds and then play again, etc.
It is extremely frustrating.
― Moodles, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
me too, on my desktop as well
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
they don't have any joanna newsom
― markers, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
or the new marnie stern
or the iron & wine/calexico ep in the reins
where's all the fuckin music
i consider their lack of joanna newsom a feature
― Mordy, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Likewise
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
lack of drag city is a drag though
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
apparently they used to have all of tzadik sometime before they opened in the US
― Mordy, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
who
― markers, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
not enough cattle decapitation
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I remember when they had Tzadik, don't think they ever had the full catalogue though.
― Newgod.css (seandalai), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
Is there to download Spotify version 0.6.0 for iPhone? Goole don't help.
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
a way
and neither does Google
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
sucks about drag city but i really don't blame any indie label for not doing spotify
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
Agree with that. Obviously it's in my interest for as many labels as possible to play along but I completely respect any label that decides that being on Spotify is not in their interests.
― Newgod.css (seandalai), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
I buy vinyl of new stuff I hear on spotify. I haven't heard any new drag city artists as a result. So please, Drag City, think of the tens of album sales you could net from joining spotify.
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
i'm more pissed about drag city not including downloads with vinyl than i am about them not being on spotify
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's a real bummer
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Download codes are annoying too. I'd prefer a system where they let you listen to the albums on spotify after you bought a physical copy.
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
that's a good idea
― markers, Monday, 1 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, April 1, 2013 12:47 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao @ ppl downloading mp3s IS SO HARD WHY GOD WHY??
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
hey I don't want all those mp3s taking up space in my living room
― c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
i just took a couple boxes of mp3s to the salvation army
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Could always sell the mp3s on the second hand market via ebay
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 April 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
works for Amoeba Music
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
if i can't play it on guitar hero it's not real
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
I want to shazzam an audible code unique to my physical copy of the album that releases all digital content, ie the album should appear on my shelf in Animal Crossing a moment later
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
KK's Moombahton
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
― kraudive, Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Powered monitors out of the headphone jack are the best compromise I've come up with so far. Sound pretty good. You could also get some kind of usb interface and then run it out through your stereo.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
KRK Rokit 5's, fwiw. I do pay for the "premium" spotify so I get allegedly better sound quality. For some reason, I notice the inferiority of Spotify sound the most on very old recordings, as though it "flattens" them and accentuates certain flaws. Not sure why.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
I play digital music off of my computer. Office is next to living room and the speakers are decent enough that it sounds fine to my non-audiophile ears. For kitchen I stream to a little Bluetooth speaker. I wish I had a better one of those.
― Jeff, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
For kitchen I stream to a little Bluetooth speaker.
I should do this -- never thought about it before.
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
You could also get some kind of usb interface and then run it out through your stereo.
You don't need a USB interface, just a cord you can plug into the headphone jack that has RCA left/right plugs on the other end.
― timellison, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
I'm about to pull the trigger on the Soundmatters foxlv2 bluetooth speaker, seems to be the best sound in a little package that also supports apt-x.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
You don't need a USB interface
Didn't he say that at the beginning of that paragraph you quote, Tim?
― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
― timellison, Monday, April 1, 2013 5:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's true, in fact I use 1/8" to RCA with a splitter. But I had always thought you get better sound through an interface than you do through the headphone outs? Maybe that's not true anymore.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
this is supposed to be awesome
http://www.audioquest.com/usb_digital_analog_converter/dragonfly-dac
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
new version is v ugly imo
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
He was talking about running some powered speakers out of the headphone jack, but you can also just plug your computer straight into one of the channels on your stereo using the kind of cord I was describing.
― timellison, Monday, 1 April 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, sure. Sorry for indulging in Beef by Proxy.
― What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
so...is this borked again for everyone or is it just me?
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
Working just fine for me on both the home and work pcs.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, April 1, 2013 5:23 PM (3 days ago)
borrowed this advice while doing some retail therapy. it came in today and boy does it sound AMAZING so thanks for the recc
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
MOG, btw, seems to have none of the licensing issues Spotify has. All these albums that are missing tracks on Spotify have no issues on MOG.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 April 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
I left mog bc the iPhone app was terrible. This was at least a year ago. Maybe it's better now. Also, can you share playlists on mog now?
― Bobby McFerrin, Quantum Physicist (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
No, the social aspects suck. Or, I guess you can share them on Facebook and Twitter, but it's nothing like Spotify.
But the app is solid as a rock. And the catalogue is definitely better.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 April 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
Woohoo, good on yer Mordy! I'm off to place my order, thanks for confirming my research!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 5 April 2013 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
Here's a question for all of you:
What Spotify apps do you recommend? There are some that look interesting but don't want to risk giving more of my info to third parties than I already do. Is SoundTracking any good?
― c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 6 April 2013 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
I like Swarm.fm.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
got onto MOG since it you can run it in-browser in chrome os, it's p dope although i prefer browsing in spotify (use it at work)
― adult bash (m bison), Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
if you're having probs with spotify taking ages to load and being a bit shit turn all the crap off in preferences, except for enable hardware accelleration i guess, made a huge improvement here
― Crackle Box, Monday, 8 April 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
what stuff did you turn off?
― Moodles, Monday, 8 April 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
everything except hardware acceleration. removing the 'sync local files' seems to have made a difference to the startup time on this machine. turned off all the social grap, gapless playing etc. really seems to have made an improvement.
iphone app is still fucked for me tho v annoying, crashing all the time, taking forever to load
― Crackle Box, Monday, 8 April 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
artists not on spotify: isotope 217 for some reason. Seems like other thrill jockey stuff is on there.
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Monday, 8 April 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
fucked for me again? anyone else not getting it to work? (i'm on a mac)
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
been glitchy for me lately
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
same here. tracks dropping in and out a lot. happened once on iTunes too though so I was afraid it might be my wifi. (I beam from my laptop to powered speakers.)
― dmr, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
been ok for me
― The Complete Afterbirth of the Cool (WilliamC), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
Was crashing over and over again for an hour or two earlier, so I got the new update (another one) and now it seems to have stabilised a bit. I've had to stop it from opening on start up though, it was killing my pc for a good 6 or 7 mins each time, was really winding me up
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
i did the clear cache, uninstall, reinstall thing AGAIN and it's better now, still getting annoying tho
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
only glitch i ever get is sometimes when a song starts playing, it's completely silent, but if i bring it back to the beginning and start it over then it's fine. but i've had that issue the whole time i've been on spotify - not a recent problem.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
according to my spotify feed, Miles Davis just listened to Walkin by Miles Davis
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 April 2013 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah it was getting worse and worse for me but uninstalling and reinstalling cleared it all up. Killing a few of the apps might have helped as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22064353
^^^ This is interesting - not sure why artists are making so much more from streaming in some countries than in the US and UK?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 09:18 (eleven years ago) link
that's only more as a percentage though, doesn't necessarily correlate to actual money.
― koogs, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 10:00 (eleven years ago) link
New update for iPhone app claims it fixes crashes. We'll see....
― Moodles, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
I really liked using ctrl+f to quickly locate songs titles within long lists of artists, or to quickly filter out unofficial "re-recordings." And now one of the recent updates has disabled the filter option. (It's still an option under the "edit" tab, but it's been grayed so that it can't be selected.)
Also I'm still bummed about the lack of accuracy in my "top lists."
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
mac version borked again today
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
yeah this up and exploded on me today, had to reinstall from scratch
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 April 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
Same here. Didn't reinstall though.
― pplains, Saturday, 20 April 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
i wish i hadn't! It's reloading all my local files and that's like a near terabyte of music and it can't get it down.searching for anything makes this fucking program freeze like a deer in headlights
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 April 2013 03:16 (eleven years ago) link
lol i noticed this
― jaymc, Saturday, 20 April 2013 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
not sure why artists are making so much more from streaming in some countries than in the US and UK
Well in Sweden the takeup of Spotify is just huge. 70% of the population uses it. If 70% of the UK used Spotify I imagine Uk artists would be doing much better out of it as well.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
goddamn, the new icon for the desktop app is very ugly.
― eris bueller (lukas), Saturday, 20 April 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
And they've increased the font size on playlists, which greatly reduces the number of tracks that you can view at the same time. Yet the font sizes elsewhere remain the same. Visually, it's becoming such an ungainly cludge.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 21 April 2013 08:19 (eleven years ago) link
so what finally worked for this was to disengage all my own music from the service so now i have to use both itunes AND spotify, way to go new version
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 April 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
and everytime i start itunes, spotify crashes ten minutes later!
Conspiracy
― Jeff, Sunday, 21 April 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Something new that I rate positively: you get a notification when there's a new release for an artist you follow. Just found out about the Josephine Foster Recordstoreday album!
― supermassive pot hole (seandalai), Monday, 22 April 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify used to tell you the running time, in minutes, for a playlist at the top of the playlist. doesn't seem to do that anymore, am i not looking in the right place?
― some dude, Saturday, 27 April 2013 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
they seem to have dumped that feature in one of the updates awhile back--hopefully because they're working on a more precise one. Seems silly for a service with an emphasis on playlists to lack a time measurement.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 April 2013 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
How long could it take to make a more precise one? There are numbers, you count them up.
― scintilla (seandalai), Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Apple probably has a patent on counting playlist times
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 April 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Some kind of weird mashup in the app now, mixing the current and prior search, so I have Top Tracks and Artist Bio for Television, but albums by Charley Patton.
― The Cosimo Code of the Woosters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
And now some Russian group called Television in Cyrillic alphabet, but I guess that can't be helped.
― The Cosimo Code of the Woosters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
> How long could it take to make a more precise one? There are numbers, you count them up.
ha, ha. (i laugh to hide the pain). at work we do something similar and i've written the equiv playlist code. playlists are in one table, the tracks belonging to those playlists are in another. total time belongs to playlist, individual track times belong to the playlist tracks. keeping the two in sync during inserts and deletes is a pain. also, the track list is paged, fetched and displayed 10 or 25 or whatever at a time, you don't get all of them at once because there can be up to 9999 tracks in a playlist. so you can't just add them up...
― koogs, Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
otm. men die about a little spoonful messing up their television playlist times.
― The Cosimo Code of the Woosters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
Kinda weak that the new iOS app doesn't allow you to play with the order of tunes within playlists.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ driving me crazy totally.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 27 April 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
it has made me mad for months now
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 April 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Super weak that the desktop app doesn't sync with mobile over USB. Each device syncing up through the internet seems like a waste of bandwidth, not to mention time.
― shaane, Sunday, 28 April 2013 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
I just subscribed to iTunes Match -- until Spotify makes it easier somehow to determine what tracks on your hard drive aren't available on Spotify, it's not going to be the über-library it can be.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 April 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/14/4331110/google-lands-universal-music-sony-for-spotify-competitor
― markers, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
Dammit! The hack to keep old spotify working doesn't work anymore. Now I'm stuck with the new version like the rest of you saps.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
Kinda weak that the new iOS app doesn't allow you to play with the order of tunes within playlists.― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just install the 'Spotify for iOS 4' app.
― calstars, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
i can see myself jumping ship to google's service even if the functionality/coverage are no better than spotify's because i'd expect them to have better catalogging - spotify's database/tagging/etc is just so messy even on some more popular artists
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, the Spotify update really does seem to have come at the worst time - this is assuming that many users are finding it as unwieldy and laggy as I am, which doesn't seem unreasonable given the attempts to prevent updates to the new software - but if someone could offer me a similar service right now for the same price minus the lag then I'd bite their hand off tbh
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
the google service has a 30 day free trial right now (if you supply a credit card) but there doesn't seem to be an iphone app, so it's kinda useless for me.
― ryan, Thursday, 16 May 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
i just wish the fuckers would bring back playlist durations. every new update (ie every frigging second day) makes me hope it will appear, but no
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 16 May 2013 09:28 (eleven years ago) link
Google play's streaming service is greatat the moment once you've uploaded your catalogue to the cloud, so if they manage to seamlessly integrate that with the non-owned streaming music then I'm there.
― food and boardgames and minimal techno (NotEnough), Thursday, 16 May 2013 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
If I save a playlist for offline, does the track stream if data is available, or does it play the offline stored version?
Asking because battery life seems to drain quickly even if using offline playlists.
― calstars, Thursday, 16 May 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think the best cloud-based service that let's you upload your own files (and has a player that you can stream them from remotely) is from Amazon. Especially if you have more than 20,000 music files, which I do. Their limit is 250,000 songs and it's $25 for a year. The initial upload takes a crazy long time, but it's worth it. I just use that + Spotify.
― Position Position, Thursday, 16 May 2013 13:11 (eleven years ago) link
The key with the new Google thing from my end is whether UMG properties on there will be watermarked (aka audibly distorted) like they are on Spotify, itunes, emusic etc. If UMG stuff on Googlify is unwatermarked, they've got my money.
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
why would they watermark on one service but not the other?
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
i am def assuming they'll be watermarked. But there could be a ghost of a chance google was all, yo how about hooking us up with the uncut shit in exchange for some sweet ass private user info?
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
I use Spotify mostly on my desktop pc, but love using my ipad as a remote. The bugger is, I use the remoteless app for it, but it's absolutely shite. Crashes almost every time. Does anyone have any experience with other apps to do it this way?
I don't think the Spotify app can sync with your desktop and be used as a remote, can it?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 19 May 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
They're posting number of plays now? It's slowing it down something fierce.
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 May 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
the client is fucked up
― markers, Thursday, 23 May 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
I've read the payout for spotify is something like .5 cents per stream, anyone know if that's accurate?
― anonanon, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
Less iirc, but it also differs based on whether the stream was a free user or a subscriber and whether you're a highly visited artist or a barely visited one.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
to the artist or the record company? if the artist, that actually sounds high to me. an artist would normally get what from a CD sale, $1? they'd get that from 2 plays of a 10-track album on Spotify.
― eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
it'd be 20 plays, that's half a cent not 5 cents
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
but
― eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
I see. Now that top 10 songs on artists pages include # of plays I'm trying to figure out the level of revenue that is being generated.
For example, icona pop - I love it has 27 million plays, and if it were half a cent per play that'd be about $130,000.
― anonanon, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
ADVANCE AUTO PARTS
― Spectrum, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
okay.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
desktop app now takes about 20 seconds to open on current version of OS X
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
― Spectrum, Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:43 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― folsom country prism (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
idgi
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
every four songs or so there's a 50% chance Spotify will play an ad for !!!!ADVANCE AUTO PARTS!!!!
― Spectrum, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify has been opening quickly for the past few weeks now
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
xpost okay. i've had a paid account more or less since spotify came to the us so that was over my head
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
I know some of you get on your tall box and pull the ol' "you get what you pay for" routine with us degenerate cheapskates. That's cool. I grew up listening to commercial radio, even worked for a few stations over the course of about 20 years. I don't mind ads breaking up the flow. Usually my cue to push my chair back and go to the rest room. I'd rather pay Spotify for their service by listening to their commercials, giving their salesguys a few extra ears when signing contracts with accounts, but that's me.
But that said, goddamm, you'd think they could sell more than two fucking ads.
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
dude go for it! i was rewinding lala for multiple plays when i was hustling.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 June 2013 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
after Ver Floyd bite, who will be the biggest bands to hold out? Led Zep and the Beatles natch. who else? there's Oasis, Peter Gabriel.. any other big or biggish guns?
― piscesx, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
oh OK so there's also Eagles, Zappa, Metallica..
― piscesx, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Metallica are on Spotify as is Zappa
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 14 June 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
Crimson.
― folsom country prism (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 June 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
What is up with "Discover" view? Why can't I get it to appear in the sidebar?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 June 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/apps/discover-tab/
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 June 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
Peter Gabriel's there -- in Aus, any way
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 June 2013 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
if i'm using the spotify app on my phone to play archived playlists, am i using data from my cell data plan? trying to figure out if i can use this outside of the u.s. without incurring international data charges.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I think PG is only non-Spotify in the US.
I hope AC/DC shows up someday, but it seems unlikely.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
by "archived" i mean "synced"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I think if they're playlists that you've made available offline and you have spotify in offline mode then you're not using data. otherwise, you are.
― dmr, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
I've started using the web player a bit. Good for just playing stuff quickly but managing playlists on it sucks.
― dmr, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
Like you can't highlight multiple tracks and drag, you have to move each track one at a time and it takes three clicks each. Bleagh.
― dmr, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Alright I finally found Discover view. Kinda sucky except for the Songkick info.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
I have it on the web player but not on my desktop player(s) yet.
― dmr, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
They killed 'What's New' in favor of 'Discover.' Completely bewildering why they would kill their new release section when it's probably responsible for a huge number of plays.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
Not to mention the ease and speed it provided users to browse and quickly turn new albums into playlists.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
haha wat
http://i.imgur.com/rgAjEB1.png
― pplains, Friday, 28 June 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
look at what ILX is doing to the Spotify recommendation algorithms
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah those recommendations have been completely inane for me so far, sometimes not even the same genre
― ciderpress, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Depeche Mode. Here's a song you might like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72o3ojtP-g
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify is big on Electric Six fans checking out Social Distortion
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
"Since you listened to The Cars, you might like this new release by The Allman Brothers Band."
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Wire. Check out Autechre.
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to Richard Wagner, you might like this new release by Marlene Dietrich.
― Brad C., Friday, 28 June 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
If you like Yeah Yeah Yeahs, try Portishead
these are all real suggestions btw
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
ok we might have a winner
"Since you listened to LaBelle, you might like this new release by Christopher Cross."
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
If I start to find bands recommending The Cure or Depeche Mode for everything then I know DJP is working for spotify
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
the new release in question, inspired by my checking out the LaBelle's '71 self-titled album, is two discs of Chris live in Paris, 2012.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Siouxsie and the Banshees. Check out Tangerine Dream.
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Like the Beach Boys and the Byrds? Check out Depeche Mode.
― Brad C., Friday, 28 June 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
"You listened to Simon & Garfunkel. Check out Blondie."
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
I got The Slits recommended on the back of listening to Throwing Muses and Can...
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to These New Puritans this week. Like to try Le Tigre?
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
"You listened to Electric Light Orchestra this week. Like to try Dion?"
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
recommendations suck everywhere but i am pissed about losing the "what's new" section they had, meager as it was, as a way to find out about stuff they'd recently added
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 June 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
"You listened to Matthew Sweet. Check out Oingo Boingo."
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
xp
Is Top Lists, under Apps, the same content as the old What's New?
― Brad C., Friday, 28 June 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
nope
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
you now have to follow their new releases playlist to see what's been added:
http://open.spotify.com/user/spotifyusa/playlist/3dEjWfgB5jC6zn6tLoy9yy
"You listened to The London Suede. Check out the English Beat."
While reading The Scottish Play?
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
tbf "You listened to Morphine this week. Like to try Son House?" is exactly what an older record store clerk would have said twenty years ago.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
xp thx DJP, following that playlist now
― Brad C., Friday, 28 June 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
"Since you listened to The Byrds, you might like this new release by Devo."
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 28 June 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
you now have to follow their new releases playlist to see what's been added:http://open.spotify.com/user/spotifyusa/playlist/3dEjWfgB5jC6zn6tLoy9yy― DJP, Friday, June 28, 2013 5:40 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― DJP, Friday, June 28, 2013 5:40 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Now if only there was a way to sort by most recent...I see some stuff in there that was released a few weeks back
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 28 June 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Because I tend to be in soundrop underground metal room a lot most of my recommendations aren't bizarre but this one made me snigger
"Since you listened to Coalesce, you might like this new release by Cunter"
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Never heard of them but I want beavis & butthead to review them!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
xxp: The new releases playlist has been there forever and was always more comprehensive than the "what's new" page, which is probably why they jettisoned the page. You can sort by when things were added, which is probably as close as you're going to get to sorting by release date.
― DJP, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
I take it back. EMF and Queensryche??? Like fuck will I ever listen to Queensryche! (also I only heard megadeth because someone played the lolsy new song)http://i.imgur.com/VuVx7GI.jpg
otoh this is proof dan is involved with Spotify!http://i.imgur.com/TKUgNpz.jpg
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Steely Dan. Check out the drummer from Gay Dad
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
kinda not crazy?
― eris bueller (lukas), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for the new releases playlist, i missed knowing what came out on tuesday
their Byrds algorithm is kinda messed up:
"If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode"
"You listened to the Byrds, here's an album you might like (picture of Talk Talk - Laughing Stock)
"Since you listened to the Byrds, you might like this new release by DEVO (reissue of Hardcore DEVO vol.1)"
― von LMO argonaut (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
There are a lot of little things about Spotify that suggest "not programmed by people who actually love music," which is a shame since on the whole it's such a great program. E.g. the fact that there are so many cases of multiple bands with the same name sharing a page, the fact that all the offbrand comps crowd out the albums, the bizarre chronological organization, the lack of advanced search capabilities, etc.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
that there are so many cases of multiple bands with the same name sharing a page
^^this is annoying for me because one of my favorite fahey type guitar players is named glenn jones but he's in the database with another glenn jones who looks to have been a pop/R&B gospel singer from the late 80s/90s, which fucks up the recommendations engine
― von LMO argonaut (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
apparently my band's name from back in the mid 90s has been adopted by multiple bands since then, can I sue?
― Moodles, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
moodles u guys weren't the first band called nirvana, sorry mate
― von LMO argonaut (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
LIAR!
― Moodles, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
haha! this thread has made me lol on multiple occasions, thanks to all.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I'd love to see the recs you get!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
where do i look for recommendations?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
i think this is my favorite
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
it can be especially miserable to wade through classical composers' pages, plus sometimes there are mulitple pages with different spellings of the composer's name. Seems like it should be easy enough to just get some nerdy interns to clear all that up.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Also if you use Soundrop you get bands rooms recommended for you too.http://i.imgur.com/VHYbCNf.png
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
1349 the only rec I'm not into.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Some of favorites:
You listened to Fats Domino, you might like this new release by the Moody Blues
Since you listened to Hank Williams, you might like this release by the Allmann Brothers Band
Since you listened to Primal Scream, you might like this new release by Devo
You listened to Otis Redding, you might like this release by America
You listened to DMX, you might like this song: Ice Cube "Get Off My Dick and Tell Yo Bitch to Come Here"
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
some of my favorites
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
where do i access these? i've looked all around! is this a paying subscriber bonus feature? nonstop lols?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Right at the top of the left-hand column there should be a "Discover" menu item?
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
My top rec: You listened to Thelma Houston and Odyssey. Here's a song you might like: "The Pop Group - We Are Time".
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
I don't see anything that says Discover, but I am not a paying member. It recently told me to listen to this choir called Belpor Chor singing Bésame Mucho. It's pretty good!
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
Or maybe you don't have the latest client? Dunno.
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
really pushing devo!
― "If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
it also thinks i should be eating more mcnuggets
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
ok i updated
"Check out Blake Shelton. Trending near you."
and lolololol"You listened to New Order. Check out Morrissey."
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
apparently the eagles are now on spotify
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, all this Devo has to have something to do with the spiked number of plays they've gotten this week.
Eagles seem to come and go on this thing.
― pplains, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
first time Ive seen ithttp://i.imgur.com/sg6Gxwh.png
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
the eagles skull is kinda metal
― "If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
btw that lazify app you seen in my sidebar is pretty handy if you dont have time or cant be arsed making a playlist it will do one quickly for you based on any song you want. http://open.spotify.com/app/lazify
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
ok here is one based on dragging New Order onto it (you can do artists/songs/albums or even playlists and users apparently)http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/11ICXb8ZG6y4d7cIOPaEK5
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
damn cant get users to work on it. Was trying to get a playlist based on DJP hehehe
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
doesnt work trying it with me either. But it does work with bands/songs/albums - not tried dragging a playlist onto it
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
Swear I've seen the Eagles on there before.
I've never been able to comprehend that skull, especially when it was a tiny piece of art on a cassette cover.
― pplains, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
IM in UK so maybe the usa had them before?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
Gosh, I haven't been this proud to be an American since I got Beatles VI on vinyl.
― pplains, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
do you get that *advert like I did? If you dont then I'm guessing you already had them.
*I'm premium so its not really an advert as such
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 28 June 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen that ad. I know I listened to The Long Run a few months ago, though it might have been on Grooveshark.
― pplains, Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
Apparently I have no reason to listen to Devo.
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
"Buzzcocks? Pere Ubu? Ah, this guy doesn't need to be reminded about who Devo is. Let's save it for the Eagles fan."
― pplains, Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
hey guys come in here http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16fTbbsgjzuGhsN
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
Also single bands split up, ie Afghan Whigs and The Afghan Whigs get half the albums each, same for Godspeed You Black Emperor with and without capitalisation
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
You haven't listened to Parachute by Future in a while. Play now?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Yusef Lateef. You might like DJ-Kicks Motor City Drum ENsemble
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 June 2013 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
I'm on premium in US and spotify sent a special email to let me know the eagles were available. They also recommended devo based on my sly and the family stone listening.
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 29 June 2013 07:51 (eleven years ago) link
But talking about your spotify recs is like talking about your grand kids at this point
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 29 June 2013 07:52 (eleven years ago) link
eagles have not been on spotify prior cuz i have bizarrely been wishing they were on spotify for awhile (precisely the kind of act i'd like to check out but god no not dl onto my harddrive). man a few months ago i just assumed that the heavy hitter catalog acts - pink floyd, eagles, ac/dc, led zeppelin, beatles - would never end up on there. feels like metallica opened the floodgates.
― balls, Saturday, 29 June 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
presumably the belated AOR gods all getting some big upfront checks for this, right? i mean, the royalties are shit and all it could do is cut into their Wal-Mart best-of sales.
― da croupier, Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, while I'm all for getting to leisurely skim through discographies I'd otherwise never experience, I don't see what's in it for them unless someone's giving them a healthy advance
― da croupier, Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
How much are the little guys making off of this?
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if you've already bought the album it should be an incremental additional paycheck for them, which is nice for those you want to support
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
Fuck you Spotify, with all your suggestions. You make me want to cancel my subscription, if not stop listening to music altogether.
― Did anybody tell you that your voice is like Abd Al Halim's? (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 30 June 2013 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
This sums up pain-in-the-ass-know-it-all perfectly!
http://imgur.com/NqBP1Ah
― bendy, Sunday, 30 June 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
will it work this time....http://i.imgur.com/NqBP1Ah.png?1
― bendy, Sunday, 30 June 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
lol at spotify autogenerating ilxor Introduce Yourself posts: "I like Bud Powell AND John Zorn."
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 June 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
ADVANCE AUTO PARTS― Spectrum, Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:43 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Spectrum, Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:43 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
came here to post this
but this is OTM:
There are a lot of little things about Spotify that suggest "not programmed by people who actually love music," which is a shame since on the whole it's such a great program. E.g. the fact that there are so many cases of multiple bands with the same name sharing a page, the fact that all the offbrand comps crowd out the albums, the bizarre chronological organization, the lack of advanced search capabilities, etc.― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, June 28, 2013 4:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, June 28, 2013 4:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The chronological stuff drives me nuts. How hard could it really be to get the albums in order (and consistently with their actual release dates and note 2009 for something that came out in the 60s)?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 July 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
Everything you guys are complaining about sounds like bad metadata which can be really hard to solve.
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 1 July 2013 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
Using reissue release dates is probably good in some cases. For some artists, you have lots of compilations and whatnot on various labels that would all be on top if they always used original release dates.
― timellison, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, sure, but maybe it could be an option or something. I dunno. Allmusic, despite something like seventeen bad redesigns over the years, is still pretty easy to use when it comes to finding albums, in order, and thus orienting yourself in the career of an artist you're curious about.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
these guys don't care about music particularly, they care about making a billion dollar company
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 05:34 (eleven years ago) link
another annoying thing is when they put up an album with the main tracks as Spotify interviews and the actual music contained under "additional tracks" so that when you add the album to a playlist all you get all the interviews.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 1 July 2013 10:12 (eleven years ago) link
Soundrop for iphone is back https://itunes.apple.com/app/soundrop.fm/id490113863?ls=1&mt=8
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 July 2013 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
― timellison, Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but what happens instead is that you get one legit reissue mixed in with 30 different offbrand comps. This morning I tried to find some Louis Armstrong to play for K and it was just impossible to find what I wanted -- there were like 50 different fake comps just released in the last year or two. Anything in the public domain gets repackaged dozens of times. This is probably only true for a relatively small number of artists, and Spotify should just have a bit of quality control.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, July 1, 2013 1:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sure, but if you don't keep the nerds and "tastemakers" happy, you risk losing them to another company that does a better job of it, which can then start pulling other customers as well.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
Piece-of-crap comps and awful rerecorded versions are the bane of my Spotify existence. Half the time when you want a song older than 1980 you feel like you're rifling through the $3 bin at Best Buy. Do I sit and click on each of these versions of "The Rapper" until I throw my hands up and accept they don't have it, or what?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 July 2013 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely makes a mockery of our younger selves reading the old skool rock critics like Greil Marcus and Dave Marsh in order to find out which Little Richard and Chuck Berry comps to get only to be horrified when our college roommate showed up with the rerecorded versions.
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 July 2013 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone here tried any of the soundrop rooms on spotify?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
JOIN US, JOIN UShttp://open.soundrop.fm/s/underground-metal
― Neil S, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
there's more to it than the ilxor or metal rooms btw. There's rooms for everything. And you can create your own rooms too.Its available on Spotify, facebook app and webapp (they both use youtube instead of spotify)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
Re the off brand crappy comp plague, for this reason I REALLY wish you could see record label on the iOS app.
― Thelema & Louise (Jon Lewis), Monday, 1 July 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
These problems have existed for years they wont change it now. Still no decent search function has been made. Why??????????
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
the "tastemaker" is a myth perpetuated by marketing types who consider themselves hipper than they actually are
― maura, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
You're not a tastemaker Maura?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know about that. I first heard about Spotify a few years ago here, on ILM, from people who I know are obsessive about music. Eventually I tried it, and then I turned several of my co-workers onto it. If something better comes along that does a better job of catering to people who really care about music, I will switch to it, and then I will start telling people about it. This doesn't make me "hip," I just spend more time listening to a wider variety music than a lot of the people I know. It's not that different than the go-to lady in my office for restaurant recommendations. She's not "hip" in the sense that she's a middle-aged career paralegal who wears "funky" jewelry. But she goes out all the time to restaurants and has pretty good taste, and because she eats in a lot of restaurants, she's going to be more discerning from experience. So make her happy and you increase the chances that everyone else in the office will come.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
maura otm; music nerds are a tiny sliver of the population and these guys are aiming at getting our mothers to subscribei have hated the "tastemaker" label ever since I heard it, it's an easy way of saying "unpaid critic"
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
it's not even about attracting nerds. if there was a better service, people would go there and tell their friends. That's what happened with Friendster and Myspace. The thing is, it's highly unlikely we'll see a place with better tech AND the same depth of catalog.
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
the catalog has never been more accessible for folks with deep pockets; my understanding is that the remaining major labels are deeply invested enough in spotify succeeding that it's unlikely they'll fully support and cosign with anyone else until spotify is out of the pool. Aren't spot still bleeding cash right now? anyways, if you want curation, i'm sure they'll be several alternatives in 2014 or so, starting with daisy.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
I also always thought Spotify should just buy Pandora and use their radio technology, since Spotify's is inferior.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
xpost that's the thing - why would anyone BOTHER creating a quality alternative to spotify (or tumblr, for that matter) when they're so unprofitable
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
because they're rich and filled with hubris, i.e. reznor and dre, i guess
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Rick Rubin is on the board of MOG
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
they wheel him into board meetings on a couch
They have the potential to be profitable though. Still only a small fraction of the potential audience online. A lot of their costs won't increase as fast as their revenue as they add more users.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
it's definitely possible someone will come with a better way to give people What They Want re: online music, which may not be What Nerds Want. But at this point, with Spotify adding users and coughing up advances to get those AOR titans to come around, if someone had a killer curator app or whatever, it seems just as likely that spotify would buy it than that a new empire would build up around it.
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
that's possible, but i think it's equally likely that they reach a point where they hit nova, sell out to facebook, revamp interface and restaff 90% of their people and then who knows.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
reznor's thing has to be some kind of 'you like NIN, consider psychic tv' deal, right? i dunno if your average late adapater really wishes a nerd was there to nudge them towards hipper shit when they're jamming out to the 90s at the office.
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
adapter, sorry
it's "adoptater"
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
the new yorker profile that talked about daisy made it sound like trent is a music nerd with an obscene amount of money who is basically looking at this and saying "hey there's a market!" seems doomed to me, but what do i know.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
d'oh
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
haha I suggest you dont take your mobile if you're going for a swimhttp://i.imgur.com/0jpPMID.png
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
the chillout room on there is the least chill place ive ever seen btw . Its like ILX!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
I like the chat in Soundrop, its fun to talk shit and rag on each-others taste.
― Rocky (ku4u1u), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
hah It's like ILX but with music playing!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
You haven't listened to Betfaker Fe Min by Oum Kalthoum for a while. Play now?
I don't even remember which song that is.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
They got me, my curiosity got the better of me.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
The soundrop app is really sleek and nice. Sorry you android guys don't have it yet.
― This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
There's a lot of great rooms to choose from too... I like the "falling asleep" room. The "indie" rooms are not that great, OTOH.
― This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
It actually works fine on the ipad. Chat is just too small tho its usable. They just need to fix the scale and the chat will work great. The app plays spotify tracks A-OK though. So if anyone has an ipad they can use it.
Various forms of dance/electronic rooms have the most users in soundrop but there's hip hop,rock,metal,jazz,classical,african,post-rock,punk even k-pop rooms amongst many others. The indie wok and indie folk rooms are the worst though, its true.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify recommended me Giza by Gatekeeper and I had to check it out because it had groovy cover art:
http://open.spotify.com/album/0H44xNUhmOSIvnp1xQrHBl
Not bad
― Moodles, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Gatekeeper is great, I would recommend his other albums too.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
seriously what is spotify's deal with the Byrds?
this morning:
"You listened to the Byrds, you might like..."
The BuzzcocksThe Small FacesBuffalo Springfield (first one that makes sense)Edywn CollinsTodd Rundgren
― "If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
old people like the Byrds, old people also like the Buzzcocks
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
"If you like Matthew Sweet, try Butthole Surfers."
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
they're nuts about the Small Faces too
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
The latest iphone/ipod app update appears to have solved a problem I've had for a long time. My giant full library playlist had been taking 5 or more minutes to load up on my ipod touch. Now it's coming up and playing immediately. Yay!
― Moodles, Thursday, 4 July 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of 'you listened to pan sonic, check out ___' recommendations over here
― original bgm, Thursday, 4 July 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
This is probably the best suggestion for me this week:
"You listened to Felt this week. Like to try Dr. Octagon?"
― miastha glendali, Friday, 5 July 2013 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
Update to the iphone app changes the icon (again) and brings back ability to re-arrange track sequence in playlists.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 5 July 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
Not seeing how to do that.
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 July 2013 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
In a playlist, click the three periods on the upper right (...). Choose Edit. Then use the horizontal lines to the right of each song name to drag the track.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 5 July 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
The Discovery feature is kind of neat, I guess. I don't understand why they couldn't add it and also keep What's New.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 5 July 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, thanks. Those lines do not appear on the Starred Playlist though.
― Pastel City Slang (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 July 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/CwaQVtY.jpg
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 5 July 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
posted this to the drake thread the other night, still smdh:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq313/doctorcasino/spotifyrecommend_zpsebf258e2.png
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 5 July 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
"Since you listened to Elton John, you might like this new release by Hans Zimmer."'
That release being the Lone Ranger soundtrack.
― da croupier, Friday, 5 July 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
"You haven't listened to Jah Pretty Face by Culture for a while. Play now?"
Jesus Christ leave me alone! I haven't listened to it for a very good reason and besides it's only been a couple of f'ing weeks!
*listens to Jah Pretty Face*
― Fizzles, Saturday, 6 July 2013 07:14 (eleven years ago) link
*twice*
― Fizzles, Saturday, 6 July 2013 07:18 (eleven years ago) link
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 6 July 2013 07:48 (eleven years ago) link
if anybody needs the "New Releases on Spotify" playlist:http://open.spotify.com/user/spotifyusa/playlist/3dEjWfgB5jC6zn6tLoy9yy
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 July 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Oum Kalsoum. Here's the new album.
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 7 July 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to Washington Philips, you might like this new release by Shangri-Las.
yes no the.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 7 July 2013 07:57 (eleven years ago) link
Welp, I finally was inducted into the "try Depeche Mode" club. Since I listened to the Pretenders and the Beach Boys, they think an album I might like is Delta Machine.
― da croupier, Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
"You listened to Blind Blake, here's a song you might like" ("Machine Gun" by the Peter Brotzmann Octet
^this is way fucked up at the same time as maybe being kinda OTM, in that maybe they've not just pegged me as some hopeless music nerd
― "If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 July 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
lmaoooooo
"You listened to Ludovico Einaudi, you might like Piano Tribute Players - A Piano Tribute To The Fast & The Furious"
― "If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
liveblog it!
― wakaflockinihilipilification (seandalai), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone for tennis?
http://i.imgur.com/iPzNBmY.png
― pplains, Friday, 12 July 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
my job recently blocked spotify :[
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 July 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
Dang.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 12 July 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
my job recently blocked spotify :[― Spectrum, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Spectrum, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
Quit your job, obvs.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 12 July 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
on the bright side I can start forgetting about the existence of Advance Auto Parts
― Spectrum, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
Things tend to take the shortest path to their destination; or the cheapest, as a certain organisation from a 5up3rp0w3r has taught us in recent times.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
ADVANCE
― marcos, Friday, 12 July 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
AUTO PARTS
seestorefordetails
― pplains, Friday, 12 July 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
marcos and pplains otm
― markers, Friday, 12 July 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
Someone needs to write a history of the particular style of chatty, "ironically brawny self aware narrator" or whatever the fuck it is the Ad-Vance Auto Parts people are rocking. I think of it in a lineage going back to the equally annoying "real american hero" Budweiser commercials but somewhere along the line I feel like it became 90% of all radio ads.
Oh and then after they've written the history they can use it as a reference text to track down and kill everyone involved. AD VANCE! AUTO PARTS!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 12 July 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
advance auto parts has NOTHING on maybellinethat is why i changed my gender on spotify!
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 12 July 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
pay up you stingy fuckers!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
advance auto parts has NOTHING on maybellinethat is why i changed my gender on spotify!― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, July 12, 2013 3:05 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, July 12, 2013 3:05 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha this is something I hadn't considered even though it makes perfect sense
― crüt, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
oh that's a cheap shot, commercials by gender.
I would say the roots of the brawny narrator extend to Tommy Lee Jones as Red Dog, James Garner for Kodak and somehow, even though he ain't brawny, Tom Bodette for Motel 6.
― pplains, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
bring back john maus
― markers, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
we never knew how good we had it in summer 2011
Spotify recommendations are kind of winning me over, ranging from the obvious such as
You listend to Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers and Jonathan Richman. Check out John Cale.
to the actually useful
You listened to Wire. Want to see a gig near you?
to the obvious cherry-pickable bizarre:
Since you listened to Os Mutantes you might like this new release by Anita O'Day.
You listened to Jimmie Rodgers . Here's an album you might like.http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/80715603/The+Best+Of+Johnny+Mercer.jpg
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
If it had mentioned Chemirocha I would have gotten scared.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
They should have enough data to do recommendations properly, just feel it's more of a UI issue - if they presented them better or controlled the plague of idiotic "here's the new album from Serge Gainsbourg" recs I might actually enjoy exploring them.
― wakaflockinihilipilification (seandalai), Sunday, 14 July 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
this stuff is just short of inane at best, genuinely annoying at worst
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 14 July 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
I've found it kind of useful. Discovered Capital Cities, which I have enjoyed.
― Jeff, Sunday, 14 July 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
In principle a recommender could be great - I want to hear new stuff!
― wakaflockinihilipilification (seandalai), Monday, 15 July 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah. so hard to do it right though.
― what a wonderful url (Matt P), Monday, 15 July 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
"Galaxie 500's 'Tugboat' was played 7,800 times on Pandora in the first quarter of 2012, for which its three songwriters were paid a collective total of 21 cents, or seven cents each."
"Spotify pays better: For the 5,960 times "Tugboat" was played there, Galaxie 500's songwriters went collectively into triple digits: $1.05 (35 cents each)."
I think this speaks for itself. Spotify should be used as a way to discover music, not support it.
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Monday, 15 July 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
That's exactly why you should go to the gigs they recommend.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 15 July 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
im curious how many downloads on iTunes or whatever (or even CD sales) they'd need to get to the same number?
― ryan, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
thought this might be revived to talk about Radiohead pulling their music from spotify.
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 15 July 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
"You listened to Parliament this week. Like to try Leadbelly?"
― crüt, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
radiohead didnt. Just thom's other stuff (maybe radiohead are getting a better rate but thom isnt letting on)
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
xxp Radiohead's stuff is still up, at least here in the UK, though Yorke's solo material has been pulled. Godrich and Yorke made some good points along with the often heard "fuck you, pay me" attitude you hear from wealthy middle aged rockers when discussing music and the web.
― Neil S, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
oh ok, i saw the tweets but then i saw a story that said all of radiohead's stuff was pulled. guess either i misread the story or they misinterpreted the tweets.
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 15 July 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
I guess Thom Yorke is no longer happy for people to pay what they want for his music
― boxedjoy, Monday, 15 July 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
i love spotify but i cannot begrudge ANY musician taking their music off the service and i'm surprised more don't remove their catalog, given the "terms"
― adrian "stanky" legg (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 July 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know. I still think the half penny per stream payment is somewhere in the ballpark? A million album sales would translate to a hundred million streams assuming a ten song album and ten plays per album on average. A hundred million streams would equal a half million dollars in royalties at the half penny rate, however that's split up.
― timellison, Monday, 15 July 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
So, basically a label is taking in 50 cents per album now through Spotify without doing any manufacturing or distribution.
― timellison, Monday, 15 July 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
I'd probably pay 3 or even 5 times as much as I do now for Spotify, but companies like this risk having a netflix problem when they try to raise their rates. The other option is to increase the number of subscribers, which I think they can, but even at ten times as many subscribers (assuming proportional increases in plays) most musicians are making less than they used to off the same number of fans.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 July 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
otoh maybe galaxie 500's fanbase has just like really, really dwindled at this point
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 July 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
"most musicians are making less than they used to off the same number of fans"
If the compensation from places like Spotify isn't the problem, though - and I'm not sure it is - then this has more to do with the fact that people don't only listen to what they buy in physical format, but can listen to anything they want at any time.
― timellison, Monday, 15 July 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
― adrian "stanky" legg (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, July 15, 2013 9:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. if artists (or the companies they gave their rights to) offer to let me hear their wares at my leisure for pennies I'll take it because OMG I love getting to hear tons of music for cheap. But it's a shitty deal and any artist who doesn't have to probably shouldn't offer it.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 July 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
why is yorke's stuff still on youtube?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 July 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
Thom Yoink
― SEN. MORBIUS CALLS FOR WATERFACE TO RESIGN (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
Thube Youke.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 04:13 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to Steely Dan, you might like this new release by Robert Johnson.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 27 July 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
did they completely do away with the "What's New" front page that lists new releases and stuff to emphasize this spotty "Discover" recommendations thing? kinda hate that.
― some dude, Saturday, 27 July 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
If you like David Bowie, we recommend Ray Charles.
― some dude, Saturday, 27 July 2013 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to *Steely Dan*, you might like this new release by *Robert Johnson*.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 27 July 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
it keeps recommending things i've already listened to on spotify. I PAY SEVEN DOLLARS A MONTH OR WHATEVER FOR THIS
― arby's, Saturday, 27 July 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
It's confirming how good your taste is! That's worth $7/mo, right?
― schlock corridor (WilliamC), Saturday, 27 July 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe it's mocking my taste?!
― arby's, Saturday, 27 July 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
No, that's the rest of the internet's job.
― schlock corridor (WilliamC), Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
(for everybody, not trying to single you out here)
― schlock corridor (WilliamC), Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
haha, yeah nah i know
― arby's, Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
I got some right now that sound like a bitchy record store clerk into giving humbling history lessons
You listened to Cheap Trick yesterday. Want to try Styx?
You listened to REM. Check out Chris Isaak.
If you like Soundgarden, we recommend Rush.
You listened to Neil Young and Pulp. Here's an album you might like. *large image of Jefferson Airplane's "Long John Silver"
You listened to the Pretenders. Here's a song you might like. *insanely large image of Neil Diamond's Moods album, track "Song Sung Blue"*
You listened to Cheap Trick yesterday. Want to try George Thorogood & The Destroyers?
I GET IT SPOTIFY, YOU THINK CHEAP TRICK SUCKS.
― da croupier, Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Jason Isbell. You might like this album: Jason Isbell- Southeastern
You mean the same Jason Isbell album I listened to? Thanks Spotify!
― President Keyes, Sunday, 28 July 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
And the ones that sound like an intervention:
You've been listening to a lot of "Sentients" by Fuck Buttons lately.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 28 July 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to Boris, try this new release by David Lynch
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 July 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Bat For Lashes. Here's an album you might like: Abandoned Luncheonette, Daryl Hall & John Oates
they're not wrong, mind you, but...
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 29 July 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Also, I just scrolled down and the very next thing is:
You listened to Daryl Hall. You might like this song: The Supremes, "The Boy From Ipanema - Live At The Copa/1965"
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 29 July 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
At least they seemed to have fixed the weird playlists resetting to an older set and then restoring issue.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if Daryl Hall's Fripp collaborations fuck up their Hall & Oates algorithim
― hello :) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 July 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol at this thread being nothing but Since you listened to... repost
― ω (carne asada), Monday, 29 July 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
o wow sacred songs is on there, that's another tiny slice of fripp on spotify
― balls, Monday, 29 July 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to The Breeders. Here's an album you might like.
Tim Buckley - Greetings from L.A.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
People who listen to JAY Z also listen to Nas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeR6uYxU50
― Austin, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
― jaymc, Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:30 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the new dustin wong/takako minekawa is on thrill jockey and still isn't on spotify despite being out for a few weeks now, so i guess they pick and choose what they add?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 1 August 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
ok. they've got me with this ads things. I give in. I will pay $4.99 a month.
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Sunday, 18 August 2013 09:06 (eleven years ago) link
what you don't like the condom ads that come on during your family BBQ mix?
― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Sunday, 18 August 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
you're fucking yourself over in the long run if john maus comes back
― markers, Monday, 19 August 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
yea i stopped using pandora b/c of the ads (also b/c it's a shitty format for trying to learn more about a single artist). spotify hasn't been too bad imo
― marcos, Monday, 19 August 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
Now with comedy! I haven't checked, but I bet there's no Pigmeat Markham.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
why would you think that?
I just checked and he is there fwiw.
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit now i'm listening to john maus
― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
you and me on the cross of the wombjibberish let your man on the cross of the moon
they call me the believer
evil man on the cross of the moonee chee chee
― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
ancient sea on the toss of the world
― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
lol i hope song meanings is right:
Hulk Hogan flashing all across the world
― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
who does music recommendations the best? apparently facebook and google are launching their own APIs for this. who do they need to topple? pandora? echonest? last.fm?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
here you go: http://bit.ly/2CilC7
― markers, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
Rdio uses Echonest so is actually pretty great. I think I'm going to switch and give them my money instead of Spotify.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno crut! Since they don't have any Fatima Mansions or Microdisney albums, I assumed there'd be no Pigmeat or Moms Mabley.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
afaik Pigmeat Markham's recorded comedy is a lot more historically significant than Microdisney
― Coming Out Of Elton John's Mouth (crüt), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
Two Coyle and Sharpe albums!
― YOU FOOLS PAY OVER $2.50 for a comic book (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 04:48 (eleven years ago) link
i wish spotify would team up with datpiff or whoever to include rap mixtapes
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
probably sample clearance issues with that
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
Recommendations are hard. But if your idea of a recommendation is "You've been listening to a lot of song by artist lately. Play now?", where song is a song I listened to once, 4 months ago, then your problem is not that recommendations are hard, it's that you are acting in bad faith, filling in boxes on a feature checklist instead of caring about music or people or freedom. Ditto "Owner of a Lonely Heart was huge when you were a teenager. Play now?" and "You listened to Charlotte Church. Check out Olivia Newton-John."
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 22 August 2013 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Presumably they're keeping track of how successful the different templates are, maybe it will switch up after a few months' worth of data. With this stuff though I always assume that I (and other big music fans) are looking for a different kind of recommendation engine to 95% of users.
― Francois Toofo (seandalai), Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
so maybe there needs to be one kind of recommendation engine for the casual punter and another kind for the hardcore music fan?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
If it's worth their while - how many hardcore music fans are there? how influential are they?
― Francois Toofo (seandalai), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
- fewer than you think- less than you think
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
that said, they are the first adopters of pretty much any new service so it needs to work well for them too or the service is going to get bad word-of-mouth
so i guess in that sense they're influential but if you're talking about the influence of hardcore music fans on what, say, a record label plans on investing in over the next year it's close to zero
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
I keep listening to these best of the year lists, so it's all "We noticed you listened to Marvin Gaye and After the Fire recently, how about some Earth Wind and Fire?"
― pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
It'd be great if it was just stringing words together like ELIZA or Dr. Sbaitso. I NOTICED YOU LISTENING TO SIMPLY REDD AND KRISS KROSS, HOW ABOUT SOME RED KROSS?
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 August 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
They got me this morning wtih a Meredith Monk recommendation for people who listen to Matthew Shipp, because I said, oh, let's see what Meredith Monk is up to. (Though it's probably too early in the morning for MM, for me.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
(And I see they don't exactly have a lot. Some new remixes. I think I will pass on Meredith Monk remixes.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
"You've been listening to a lot of song by artist lately. Play now?"
yeah those are super dumb. also I used Spotify a lot around Christmastime to play Xmas music for my daughter (which she got way too into and wanted to hear over and over of course, until finally sometime around April she moved on to something else) and now I'm constantly getting hit with "You haven't listened to 'You're a Mean One Mr. Grinch' in a while" and I'm like YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I HAVEN'T GET OFF MY SCREEN.
― dmr, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
God, you should see our netflix queue.
― pplains, Thursday, 22 August 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
Still can't believe they haven't worked out how to do playlist durations. motherfuckers.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
Last.fm's recommendations/radio-generator stuff seems to work really well. They should just steal that.
― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
but then again they have over 10 years of data to work with.
― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify probably have a comparable amount of data though.
― oaiwfeowinf (seandalai), Friday, 23 August 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
If you like Broadcast try Suicide.
― Fizzles, Friday, 23 August 2013 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
An even meaner record store clerk
― touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 August 2013 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
The inaccuracy is bad, but it's the incredible smallness that really irks me. You've got 20 million tracks to play with, and the best you're even going to try to do is ask me if I want to hear something I've already heard again? An individual song? Not even an informative histogram of my listening habits over time? You do have computers there, don't you?
The record-store-clerk experience we're trying to make possible, I would think, is the one where no matter what you ask them about, they have a secret room in back that's full of stuff like that. And repeat.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 August 2013 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
If they just had the recommendations and not the reminders, I think I'd like it a lot better. Most of my recs actually make sense, except for all the cases where Spotify tells me to check out some artist it knows I've already listened to.
― oaiwfeowinf (seandalai), Friday, 23 August 2013 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
A new low: "Abracadabra (Round N' Round) [Radio Edit] was huge when you were a teenager. Play now?" And the linked song is a horrific 2012 club remake erroneously listed as by the Steve Miller Band.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Probably been asked before, but do many of the "rolling" 2013 threads have their own playlists? I am on the bobbins one and find it useful.
― Chantal Anchorman (admrl), Friday, 23 August 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
that's a good one. one for reminiscing about around the virtual fire of 2033 with frenz. is there a nostalgia of disgust/contempt? must be. xp
― Fizzles, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
I'm getting annoying by all these "this song was huge when you were a teenager" things. That song came out when I was 30! Where are you getting your data from, Spotify?
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 August 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
the only one I like is "you recently listened to [for example] The Joe Perry Project. Want to play it again now?" because when that is in fact what you wanna do it's immensely satisfying. you're God damn right I wanna play that thing, enjoyed listening to it and it'll hit the spot right now, good lookin out Spotify
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 25 August 2013 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
Since you listened to Neil Young, you might be interested in this new release by Bob Dylan.
Spotify is just straight trollin' me now.
― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Thursday, 29 August 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
if you go through intense genre phases then spotify recommendations are for the most part on point. for instance i've pretty much only been listening to disco and '80s r&b and i got recommended a taste of honey
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
― Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what is wrong with this
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
Ha yeah I thought the same thing, seems like a pretty straightforward recommendation
Spotify just told me that Poolside have been listening to a lot of Nature Sounds Nature Music, I wonder if they're having trouble sleeping. It was a good recommendation. Overall I really like the discover thing.
― badg, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
Just got a rec for "Minnie Ripperton", presumably because I sometimes listen to Minnie Riperton.
― Henry Charles Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Br (seandalai), Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Shuggie Otis this week. Want to try The Durutti Column?
― crüt, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
uninspired information, spotify
― touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 August 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
xp primarily the "new release" part.
― PRISON WARDEN CONSCIOUSNESS (4th Dimension) (Viceroy), Friday, 30 August 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/McF5V6k.png
Some amusing choices in there http://open.spotify.com/user/record_club_umc
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
spotify, like everyone else, insists i should listen to swans
― Treeship, Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
IT'S A TRAP
(j/k you should listen to Swans)
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
limp bizkit weezer damian marley now that's music
― YOU FOOLS PAY OVER $2.50 for a comic book (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 31 August 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to They Might Be Giants. Like to hear the new album?
(1998's Severe Tire Damage)
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 31 August 2013 06:59 (eleven years ago) link
You listened to Lou Harrison this week. Want to try Archie Shepp?
That's different.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 10 October 2013 04:48 (eleven years ago) link
And it was quiet, just intonation music for acoustic guitar by Harrison, that I listened to in particular. (In fact, when I saw this, I said out loud: I didn't listen to Lou Harrison this week! But then I remembered I was listening to a compliation of just intonation music for acoustic guitar.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 10 October 2013 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
So I guess I should share mine:
http://open.spotify.com/user/moteldemoka
― Moka, Thursday, 10 October 2013 06:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/11/david-byrne-internet-content-world
David Byrne doesn't like Spotify's low royalty rates
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://north.com/thinking/david-byrne-spotify-stance/
Dave Allen from the Gang of 4 disagrees with David Byrne
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely more interested in reading what non-rich non-establishment musicians have to say about this than the latest musings of Byrne/Yorke...though I'd cast some doubt on Allen's assumption that Spotify usage is not reducing the amount of money that listeners spend on downloads or physical purposes.
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot, actually (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
yep. Bob Lefsetz has a simplistic attack on Byrne's piece:
Here's part of it
But when you start railing against the Internet and Spotify and asking how a musician can get paid, you lose me completely. Hey, why don't we go back to dial telephones! While we're at it, why don't we go back to TALKING on the telephone! At least the providers were hip to this and started making money on data. If Verizon were Byrne it'd be lamenting the loss of landlines, and have us pledging to actually pick up the phone and call our mother and sister and spend at least ten hours a week talking, the same amount of time it's going to take me to listen to your lame album to the point where you say I will get it.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2013/10/15/david-byrne/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
I remember paying 18 dollars for a new CD at sam goody based on a few songs I liked hearing on the radio/MTV. They aren't fond memories.
― anonanon, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
That Allen piece is aces.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
while I agree with Allen on a lot of it (I think tech isn't the problem so much as the labels making short-sighted deals with the tech companies), the dude seems to willfully ignore that "if you aren't on spotify, spotify makes you no money" only makes sense if being on spotify doesn't cost you sales. Damon Krukowski's article suggests such a meager label royalty rate from spotify (well below the flat $.005 thanks to unexplained algorithms and whatnot) that if several thousand spins = a dozen lost record sales, a label is losing money by putting full albums on spotify.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
in general i think people are quick to hop on to a "spotify isn't the problem" perspective because a) spotify is fucking AWESOME for the consumer and b) Spotify IS more ethical than, say, buying a used cd, if "the amount of compensation to the artist" is how you judge the ethics of musical consumption. But IMO any artist who can still get people to buy their full-lengths SHOULD remove them from spotify if they can, because there is no need to buy your shit once I can rent it, and you make far less from the rental than the purchase. Personally, I'd just leave the singles on there - which are all most people would play anyway, but would keep nerds from being satiated.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno. I own 6 drag city records from back when I downloaded music. I haven't bought a drag city record since spotify happened in America, and I buy about 1 record a week these days.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
That's a lovely anecdote, but i'm talking simple math. You have to get a TON of spins for a label to make the kind of money they'd get from a handful of sales, and I think we can reasonably assume you lose a handful of sales when people are able to spin your whole record a ton of times without buying it. Spotify's value as a promo, radio-like tool would not be diminished by lopping off 2/3 of an album's tracks.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
granted, the majors have an advance on the royalties and equity in the company, but it's indies that I think are going to suffer from only the most sentimental dorks having any reason to get the album.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
i do think allen's right in that it's mistake to ignore new tech entirely. but it's equally wrong to just shrug, give your shit to a tech company and assume the good will out.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
what do you all use it for? I don't think the things I use it for are the same as most folk. I still heavily spend on albums (mostly because I would like to see the scene continue), but I use Spotify a lot for either:
1) making playlists of older individual pop tunes I liked2) playing full albums that I own elsewhere but can't find my copy of and just want to hear3) finding old soul albums to go to sleep with
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
i use spotify like mad, also for playlist-making, spinning albums i'm too lazy to pull out of my collection, and checking out obscure old shit. I still buy albums (used ones, but if i had more money i'd buy new) but i'm the definition of that "sentimental dork." Look at the Top Tracks of any indie artist and it's clear that even acts like Galaxie 500 and Fugazi have breakaway "hits" that get 5 to 10 times the spins of the other album tracks. Keeping the album tracks on doesn't bring in new income as much as decrease old.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
But people don't want what you're selling. Isn't that Allen's main point?
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
Of course people would prefer to rent the entire music industry for 10 bucks than buy your album for 10 bucks. but unless you're damn certain no one will buy your album for ten bucks (and forgive thom yorke for being so bold), that's no reason to do it!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
I really wonder if we'll see a rollback to the times where artists just release single after single and the albums are a compilation of said singles. or bands might start releasing a series of short EPs and then release the collection as an album (already seeing some do this).
some genres are still albums genres (like metal), but for those that aren't, may be a better means of making money while still recording what you want to.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
spotify is speculative tech - they gave the major labels a ton of money as an advance on royalties for its content (the same way labels get songs from artists, though the labels also got equity). If you're an artist and your label DIDN'T get an advance or equity, just the piddly royalty rate, you AND they are getting fucked.
and yeah, i can see that rollback to a singles/ep era too. The reason I have this conservative stance on spotify is BECAUSE i like the album format, and I know it's a money-loser in the context of streaming.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
well I can definitely see that, friends of mine blow through album after album on there according to the stream and then look at me crosseyed when I told them I bought an album
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
Agree with croup here...I still spend money on music (physical and downloads) but 80% of that is for releases that aren't on Spotify and 20% is for things that I really want to support. My spending is also a fraction - definitely less than half - of what it used to be. There are cases where I discovered something on Spotify that I wouldn't have heard otherwise and subsequently purchased it (most recently, the Still Corners album), but that's maybe five things per year.
At the same time, Spotify is amazing and I'd be super-reluctant to go back to a time when I couldn't (legally) check out 10 new releases every Monday or delve into the entire back catalogue of whoever is starring in this week's ILM ballot poll.
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot, actually (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
like, i'm listening to the newish thermals album on spotify right now. it's not bad! a lot like the albums of theirs i have from 5-10 years ago. but i don't like it enough to go spend 12 bucks on it, ESPECIALLY when I've already heard the damn thing and can hear it again whenever i feel like it. maybe, just maybe, if i only had access to four songs and the rest were vinyl-only at a reasonable price, there'd be a shred of curiosity left to possibly drive me to get it. maybe i'd be quicker to play the push tracks over and over, know them better, wear them out and get hungry for more, rather than just get to track 9 and be hankerin' for another band. spotify could be a great promotional tool, but as it stands its basically a fire sale.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I agree.
I'm wondering what people think was the average number of plays a given LP or CD purchased new would have had. In my example a few days ago, I used ten plays, but what if we raise the bar and say that a GOOD album purchase (i.e., a positive transaction from the buyer's viewpoint) would have resulted in an average of thirty plays?
Take that album and put it into the Spotify payment model and you now have 30 X 15 = 450 song streams. At the half-penny per stream rate, that's now $2.25 in revenue per album. Maybe that's not a lot, and it's still being split up between the company, artist royalties, songwriter royalties (and anything else that might be in there), but again, that's $2.25 in revenue without any manufacturing or distribution costs.
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry - using an average of fifteen tracks per album in that example.
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know why breaking down the smaller royalty explains your "disagreement" but damon k suggests the royalty is even smaller irl
As for Spotify, since it is not considered radio, either of this world or any other, they have a different additional royalty to pay. Like any non-broadcast use of recordings, they require a license from the rights-holder They negotiate this individually with each record label, at terms not made public. I'm happy to make ours public, however: It is the going "indie" rate of $0.005 per play. (Actually, when I do the math, that rate seems to truly pay out at $0.004611-- I hope someone got a bonus for saving the company four-hundredths of a cent on each stream!) We didn't negotiate this, exactly; for a band-owned label like ours, it's take it or leave it. We took it, which means for 5,960 plays of "Tugboat", Spotify theoretically owes our record label $29.80.
in practice Spotify's $0.004611 rate turns out to have a lot of small, invisible print attached to it. It seems this rate is adjusted for each stream, according to an algorithm (not shared by Spotify, at least not with us) that factors in variables such as frequency of play, the outlet that channeled the play to Spotify, the type of subscription held by the user, and so on. What's more, try as I might through the documents available to us, I cannot get the number of plays Spotify reports to our record label to equal the number of plays reported by the BMI. Bottom line: The payments actually received by our label from Spotify for streams of "Tugboat" in that same quarter, as best I can figure: $9.18.
"Well, that's still not bad," you might say. (I'm not sure who would really say that, but let's presume someone might.) After all, these are immaterial goods-- it costs us nothing to have our music on these services: no pressing, no printing, no shipping, no file space to save a paper receipt for 25 years. All true. But immaterial goods turn out to generate equally immaterial income.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:04 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the average person's disposable income available for music has been crowded out by cell phone bill/price for a new phone every year or two, which coincidentally can also contain all the mp3s one requires
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:12 (eleven years ago) link
Was breaking it down because I'm not sure it equates to a fire sale that almost every company has agreed to. And I'm not sure people should be paying a whole lot more for content that they're not physically owning.
If Galaxie 500's label only got one third of the half penny rate, then that's problematic - I certainly wouldn't disagree with that.
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
you're either ignoring or missing the point. putting full-lengths on spotify destroys the need for physical ownership, and selling physical ownership is really the only way to make any money off recorded music (I never said anything remotely like "customers should be paying more for content they're not owning"). the majors agreed to it because they got an advance on the royalties (and equity), plus the drums had been beating for a while for them to finally embrace technology rather than fight it. spotify is reporting losses at the moment, and paying out shit as far as royalties go. basically the labels, who've treated artists this way for years, have signed to a label themselves, making themselves even more of a needless middleman (and, if indies aren't getting advances or equity, they're screwing themselves over AND the artist). the reason I called it a "fire sale" is that the only reason to make the physical purchase of music needless, to wholly trade real dollars for digital pennies, is if you've given up on selling physical music.
putting full albums on spotify is great for customers, but horrible for artists. whatever their pretensions and poses (and though i'd argue they should leave on the singles), people like david byrne and thom yorke have damn good reason to leave it and I wouldn't be surprised if more indies wake up to that. the only reason that should bother the listener is that this was a CRAZY good deal for us.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
Renting is great for something you don't have much attachment to but ownership (physical or digital) is the only way to ensure your music will still be available at any point in the future.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
it's not even a debate really. Either long-players will go the way of the dodo and the release of songs will become more fluid, labels existing only to draw attention to songs/brands/etc, or labels who want to keep the "album" alive will stop giving albums away.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure we'll look back on the phrase "physical ownership of music" with great affectionate amusement. And I'm also pretty sure that the lowering of technical barriers to music distribution is a significant part of what's making there be exponentially more new music now than ever before. Music, as a human activity that involves both makers and listeners, seems to me to be in wildly fantastic shape. Yes, the new order probably means that St. Vincent can't make a lavish living by recording an album every two years and then sitting at home counting money, but how many people could do that before? Or ever? Who can do it with poetry or painting or basketball or acting? Not very many people. That does not, in itself, prove that the new order is the end order, but I think it suggests that fearing the future is maybe not the right starting position...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
also to answer the OP's question, no i've never heard of spotify
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
or basketball
haha waht
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
I mean are you fucking insane
actors and athletes possibly the most overpaid people ever in the history of the planet
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
that there even is still a "debate" about musicians' decline in incomes 10+ years on is kidna sad imho
Think Glenn was talking about the # of people who get paid
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
you add up actual hours on the court, pretty much every pro b-ball player performs for a very brief period and then sits at home counting their money
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
and it's been like that for decades
another thread. Your analysis is pretty shallow, but that's still another thread.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
erm the season runs from October to April/May (June if your team is good), summer camps and training camp happen a few months after the season ends, and the team practices on offnights during the week. their season is 82 games. they are fairly busy folk, even if the majority of the work isn't the actual game itself.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
only a minuscule fraction of actors are overpaid, shakey.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah and musicians write/rehearse/tour but hey that should all be on their own time amirite (cf the original St Vincent example)
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
That does not, in itself, prove that the new order is the end order, but I think it suggests that fearing the future is maybe not the right starting position...
who's fearing the future though? Like, could you really see David Byrne and Thom Yorke as people who FEAR the future? They just realize Spotify is a shitty deal for them.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
bands should get paid an annual salary based on their placing in Pazz and Jop IMHO
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
actors salaries should be slightly below janitors and teachers imho but whatever. athletes shouldn't be paid anything.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
haha what
the only way you can deny that spotify sucks for musicians is to vague out into techno-optimism that completely ignores how money changes hands in the current system.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
the other way for artists to get money would be via government funding, which works pretty well in Canada (and perhaps other european countries), but good luck implementing that in the US.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
(spotify as the primary outlet for full-lengths, I mean. It's a phenomenal replacement for radio)
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
croup otm x1000
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
I'm all for gov't arts funding. and gov't healthcare. and gov't-funded higher education. socialism, yep let's have it.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
spotify sucks for musicians now. But it's the future, and the challenge is to find a way for it not to suck while also not removing too much awesomeness
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha "the challenge is for you guys to figure out how to live without denying me everything in the world for $5 a month"
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
there will be a netflix-like bump in the spotify monthly charge in the future. Hopefully ad revenue also increases.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
spotify is LOSING money. if they ever turn a profit, artists (and labels without equity) will only make a meager, meager fraction of it. Spotify and other internet radio/streamers are actively working to circumvent royalty policies, allowing them to pay even less.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
spotify's gonna suck for musicians right up until they manage to go public/get bought at which point their service will collapse as they up subscription rates/change their model to increase revenue and their audience moves on to the next free service
this has happened so many times with internet companies it boggles my mind that people think they will be around forever or something.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
nah man it's the future
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
I would pay more than $9.99 a month for what I currently get on the premium level plan, but I wonder how many would.
Anyway a more fundamental issue is most people who grew up in the mp3 era view music as inherently cheap, and that attitude will only get worse as time goes on.
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
or that somehow they have any interest in paying people sometime in the future. these people are greedy piratical assholes, keeping the boat afloat long enough until they can all collect their IPO money and abandon ship
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
it doesn't happen for every Internet company xp
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't say "every". But companies with Spotify's model have no incentive to pay musicians, and they never will.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
seems like a sustainable model is in spotify's best interest
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
and that sustainable model includes not paying artist nearly enough
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
yes but guys i get a lot of cool shit for cheap and also the future can't fight the future
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
I'll leave you grizzled veterans of the music industry to high five each other
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
future preach
― fresh (crüt), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
while I like Allen's point that simply shunning tech is a mistake, the dude obviously sees more money in his future from tech speaking gigs than shriekback royalties
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
in general tho sustainable models are not really the internet economy's thing - they care about things being sustainable long enough to make a serious amount of money, beyond which no one gives a fuck since no one expects anything to last anyway and oh hey the next version of [insert product here] will be out in a year anyway and that will be a total gamechanger etc. The planned obsolescence built into the economy is fucking insane. I am around so many internet people, "when do I get my stock buyout" is like priority number 1 with them. they all want to retire and just think baout stuff by the time their 40, very few have an actual interest in making anything that lasts longer than the latest hype cycle. Spotify's no different, I'm sure whoever's running the company has zero plans to be doing the same thing/working on the same program 10 years from now.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
idk until you somehow convince people (young people especially) that music is worth paying money for, these problems will not go away even if spotify does, the record buying population will just get older and older and smaller and smaller
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
I mean this comic is hella old and music's gotten easier to obtain since then
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3842/1255380609604.gif
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
not disagreeing with that anon, horse has left the barn etc.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of bands do 'bundles' where they sweeten the deal with limited edition merch like t-shirts and/or other things. but you have to also consider motivations. it's easy for someone like me (and fellow metalheads) to continue to buy metal albums because we know it's a niche genre and we know these guys are scraping by. so we throw down mass money.
but get the average indie or pop fan and many of them think "ahh musicians are all overpaid anyway fuck em"
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
so...what's your point? That musicians should just give their shit away to tech companies?
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, yeah, i use spotify and fucking love it. the future is now and enjoy my 19 hour playlist of hot jams. but that doesn't mean i'm not sympathetic to artists who seek a more profitable, and frankly ethical road.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
no, I was merely saying anon was right that the incentive to purchase music is drastically reduced, and there being no Spotify wouldn't change that (they'd just go back to Torrent sites). not that I'm saying its on artists to improve that (they're always on the short end of the stick) - the labels need to find innovative ways of getting fans to paying for recorded music again. They could also quit ratfucking musicians and giving them dimes for every album sold, but we know that won't happen anytime soon.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
Young people have the feeling that everything is getting more expensive except music and film, which is not completely incorrect as far as I can tell, and I'm not going to fault them all on that. Spotify is a sweet deal. However, some tech companies are making billions out of films and music on the back of artists and it couldn't hurt them to create a non-profit fund for musicians or filmmakers or something.
Or we all agree that only the very rich can make music and films, because that is the endgame here.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
on the contrary more people than ever can make music and get it out but no one can make a living on it, and the two are not entirely coincidental
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
yeah anybody can make anything these days, its incredibly cheap to do so. getting paid for it is another story entirely.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
not that I'm saying its on artists to improve that (they're always on the short end of the stick) - the labels need to find innovative ways of getting fans to paying for recorded music again.
yeah, i 100% agree with this (and have been offering my fantasy of how that happens, basically vinyl-only releases or app-bundling). i'm just tired of people with nothing more to say than "i like getting a lot of shit for cheap and so do kids and it's the future and don't tell me how my big mac is made, i know the world is fucked" trying to undermine critical stances on spotify without actually acknowledging them.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of good recent posts here. I was just in a facebook argument about this and it makes me IA how often you still have to reestablish shit that should be basic accepted truth by now, and how much people still trot out 10-year-old canards. Like one dude kept saying "I don't really believe that people are buying less music because of the internet," so I had to dig up the figures that show global recording sales at like 43% of their peak dollar amount around ten years ago, and he was like "Well the economy is a lot worse since then too." Yeah dude but it's not 43% of its prior size. Consumers aren't spending 43% as much money as they did in 2002. And then it gets into the "well musicians make money other ways" train, and then you have to point out that if there's a pie that once made up some significant percentage of musicians' income, and that pie is now 43% of its prior size, that's going to take a pretty big bite out of musicians' incomes, and its' not exactly clear how other things are just going to "make up for" that, unless people are taking that same money they're not spending on recordings and spending it on concerts and t-shirts, which I seriously doubt.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
It boils down to, people love free shit. You can make every speech imaginable to people as to why they buy music, and you'll have sympathizers, but most folks have already rationalized away why they don't have to pay. "I spend lots on merch at shows, that's where the REAL money is". "It's the record labels' fault for screwing over the artists, why should I have to subsidize that!". "it doesn't cost THAT MUCH to make a CD!"
The legit sales of mp3 albums on Amazon/ITunes etc has helped as its reduced the cost of albums, esp for those who are sick of hoarding jewel cases, but even then, only marginally. really, the RIAA did a lot to harm musicians' causes because by suing fans for inexorbitant amounts of money, they made the music industry eternal villains, and gave most rogue downloaders a freebie excuse to never quit downloading for life, cuz FUCK THE LABELS, MAN!
The narrative hasn't shifted much from what it was prior to when the digital music industry became largely legitimized - "the cost of albums is going up", "most musicians don't make much money off of album sales anyway", "I'm more likely to buy albums if I download", "artists can't trick me by putting out a great single and shitty filler around it". The main thing I've seen that has changed is the direction of the animosity. Around the time the RIAA was suing everybody, people still sympathized with musicians, but now folks are outright saying "FUCK YOU, MUSICIAN" to people in bands who actually want to be paid for what they record.
I buy all my albums (unless it's a rare out of print album that I don't want to pay $100 for) - and I know many of us here do. but a good portion of my friends use Spotify as their soul source of listening, too.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
there is a difference between hobby and occupation. real artistic endeavors are a full time job and i wish they would be respected as such, it starts with getting access to funding.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
― anonanon, Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:15 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I do think this is a big thing though -- the endless supply of people just "putting their music out there" is also part of the devaluation of music (in the sense of being something you pay for), and I think the internet probably impacts people's level of investment in particular bands, since there's always so much new shit to entertain you.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Hurting 2 I think it's because in the early days of file-sharing, while sales figures were down, the reduction wasn't as drastic, and the common argument being trotted out was that the inventory (or number of releases) had shrunk, as well as the average price had gone up two dollars over the decade.
After the data we've collected in the last decade, it's pretty much sticking your head in the sand to deny sales have drastically declined in the digital age.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
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I think it's worth pointing out that in the history of music the recent state of affairs where you can make a professional career as a musical artist is unusual. Certainly jobs related to music have existed for a long time (composers, cantors, teachers, busking) but this current music industry is an aberration, and if it's dying, that might be a return to a sort of status quo. From a cultural pov the major question is whether this shift augurs a deficiency - will fewer people make worse music if the renumeration is less? Maybe, but it doesn't seem like the seeping of profitability from the music industry has correlated to a decrease in music production. If anything it seems to have correlated to a huge explosion.
― Mordy , Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, if you take the music industry to primarily be "america pays you to help them dance, entertain them, and get a lil shooby-dooby hook stuck in their head" then the '90s, where people paid north of $13 dollars for a primitive radio gods album because they wanted that doo-doo-doo hook, was a huge aberration, the pinnacle of the baby boom's popularization of the LP etc. But I think this "what is the future of music" debate is wholly other than the "should people take their entire albums off spotify if they can" one.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
One the major shifts, imo, was from music as a communal, localized phenomenon to something broader that was brought about through some of these modern technologies - radio, television, the internet, etc. Musicians in my local community make an income by teaching at the local schools, or training kids for their bar mitzvahs, or singing at a religious institutions, or holding music groups, or performing at local restaurants, etc. When radio + the contemporary diffusion of communal sounds to a wider market first started, that allowed certain musicians to make money from just selling albums to people living throughout the country, or world. As that technology has advanced though, this innovation has obv cannibalized itself - the very thing that lets you make a living by selling your music to fans across the world is the same thing that no longer allows you to sell your music (the wide availability of music through various channels - legal + otherwise). The answer seems to be a return to this communal professionalism. Or at least a reconciliation that this temporary burst of profitability is no longer viable.
― Mordy , Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Well, "should people take their entire albums off spotify if they can" needs to be parsed. Should they for the benefit of humanity's musical cultural heritage, or should they from their own economic perspective. For the latter, obv someone like Thom Yorke who is a famous dude who ppl will pay to make music will have a different answer than someone you've never heard of.
― Mordy , Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
The answer seems to be a return to this communal professionalism.
Crowdfunding goes hand in hand with that idea.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
the odd future guys certainly benefited from just throwing up their stuff on tumblr for free, but if I was Tyler I'd sure as fuck reduce my spotify presence to about 3 songs per album now.
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
I see what you're saying croup and yeah artists with the recognition and fanbase to do it (basically the ones already doing it) should definitely not make the full albums available on spotify if they want to sell anything
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
Mordy's thoughts on the larger historical trends in evidence here mirror my own
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
it is abundantly clear that the media market of the 20th century was a huge aberration in general
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
I have narrowed the peak of the music industry to the moment I paid $18 at FYE for the PJ's soundtrack to get the one raphael saadiq song I liked, it's been all downhill for them ever since
― anonanon, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
well tbf before recordings there was sheet music, so I'd extend the "temporary burst" of profitability back a little further. But yeah it's basically the age of mechanical reproduction we're talking about, and the age of digital reproduction has now subsumed it.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think the era of sheet music is comparable in scale to the recent burst of profitability
― Mordy , Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
it would be hard to find an appropriate way to compare the industries, and you're probably right, but tin pan alley hits could sell millions of copies of sheet music. It was possible to make a living from music publishing alone for at least a brief period of history.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
the reason I called it a "fire sale" is that the only reason to make the physical purchase of music needless, to wholly trade real dollars for digital pennies, is if you've given up on selling physical music.
But "trade real dollars for digital pennies" strikes me as hyperbole. The ratio is not 100:1 or 50:1 as "trade real dollars for digital pennies" suggests. If the basic *price per album*, at the current Spotify payment rate, is about $2.25, then what is the real comparative ratio of profit between a CD sale and 450 song streams?
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
it turned out that people were the worst record company of all
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
If the basic *price per album*, at the current Spotify payment rate, is about $2.25,
price is computed at the track level, not the album level, yr basic assumptions are wrong
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol tim i love that you're sweating the verity of shorthand metaphors and ignoring literally everything else
― da croupier, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
and see damon k's posted quote upthread, the algorithms/rates are proprietary and "secret" and generally work out to be even less than the agreed upon basic rate
are mog's royalties higher than spotify's?
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
This was based on an average album comparison I made above.
I don't mean to ignore anything. I think the rates are probably too low. I just don't by how much.
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I just don't KNOW by how much.
― timellison, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
Around the time the RIAA was suing everybody, people still sympathized with musicians, but now folks are outright saying "FUCK YOU, MUSICIAN" to people in bands who actually want to be paid for what they record.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
the riaa and Lars tbf
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
/Around the time the RIAA was suing everybody, people still sympathized with musicians, but now folks are outright saying "FUCK YOU, MUSICIAN" to people in bands who actually want to be paid for what they record./otm
They also want people to listen to what they record and it's not clear to me that they will if they have to pay standard CD prices.
As a musician myself, I've always thought the only way I could make music I wanted to make was to give up on the idea of earning enough to support myself.
I don't think it's just people liking free stuff. I think Spotify and the like may simply be revealing that we as a culture don't really value music as highly as musicians think we should.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 October 2013 04:45 (eleven years ago) link
Nah that's bulllshit. The value went down because it became easier to get cheaper or free, not because "we as a culture" blah blah. If we could suddenly 3d print food in our homes at no cost and stopped paying for food it wouldn't be because we don't value food "as a culture"
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Friday, 18 October 2013 04:48 (eleven years ago) link
you're both right though, before the internet artists had all the leverage, like: you can hear two of my songs but if you even want to know what 80% of my album even sounds like, pay $15-$20
but now that effective BATNA to each album purchase decision is a $0 torrent that allows you to hear the whole thing anyway, well
― anonanon, Friday, 18 October 2013 05:34 (eleven years ago) link
grrr i'm mad at spotify right now
― fresh (crüt), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
are you shaking your fist at the cloud
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
― fresh (crüt), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
if you are mad at spotify, you aremad at the FUTURE. I prescribe OPTIMISM.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
They pulled all the spotify techs to work on ACA site...now when you click on Lou Rawls you mite get Lou Gramm
― Neanderthal, Monday, 21 October 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify should coordinate healthcare for musicians
― Moodles, Monday, 21 October 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Free healthcare but your doctor interrupts the session every 5 minutes to show you an ad for Kraft Mac and Cheese.
― three times a LAD (seandalai), Monday, 21 October 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
ok i'm done being mad at spotify
― fresh (crüt), Monday, 21 October 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
did you pass your physical?
― Moodles, Monday, 21 October 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
did you know there's a Labradford track that sounds a lot like a Korla Pandit tune? I learned this from spending way too much time on spotify.
― fresh (crüt), Monday, 21 October 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
dude i am on so much spotify right now think I took too much
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 October 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
I unchecked the boxes under Preferences for it to load everything I have on my hard drive every time I open the program. Program starts much easier now.
― timellison, Thursday, 24 October 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
so spotify haters (or canadians without spotify) who didnt like the webpage that used youtube can now join users on the other 2 if they have deezer.http://gigaom.com/2013/11/25/soundrop-the-turntable-fm-of-spotify-apps-is-now-also-on-deezer/
http://soundrop.fm/press/2013/11/25/soundrop-launches-in-deezer/
http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/25/once-a-turntable-rival-popular-spotify-app-soundrop-launches-on-deezer-as-co-founder-steps-down-as-ceo/
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
To get Soundrop, simply add it in Deezer’s App Studio, or visit this address directly http://www.deezer.com/app/soundrop. Soundrop is available in French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Polish, Turkish, Thai and Dutch.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/deezer-will-launch-in-the-u-s-next-year-and-fight-head-to-head-with-music-streaming-giants/
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
How does the catalog of deeper compare with spotify?
― Gotta take it slow in your fast ride (calstars), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
no idea as ive never used it but it seems its in a LOT of countries and is popular in france and germany. The UK/Aus/Canada/Ireland gets it
Here's a list of 180+ countries that have ithttp://developers.deezer.com/guidelines/countries
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
Led Zep. Merry Christmas...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/12/business/media/spotify-said-to-secure-exclusive-deal-with-led-zeppelin.html?_r=0
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
beatles and ac/dc the last huge ones left
― balls, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Joanna Newsom
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
Only the first two Led Zep albums are available so far.
― gaze not into the navel (onimo), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
xpost jim o'rourke too. isn't drag city not on it at all?
― markers, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
tool, obviously. still not on itunes
isn't drag city not on it at all?
That's correct, AFAIK.
― Noblesse J. Blige (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
nor thrill jockey
― yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Spotify is to extend its "free" ad-supported music service to mobile devices.Smartphone users will be able to build playlists of songs and then hear them played back in a random order. Tablet users will have more control, letting them select specific tracks.The Swedish firm also announced it was expanding to a further 20 countries, taking its total reach to 55.Experts said it needed to make the moves to combat growing competition.Until now Spotify has offered a free-to-use product only on PCs, and had restricted its mobile apps to paying subscribers.But its founder, Daniel Ek, said bringing a free service to Android and iOS devices would tempt more people to eventually switch to the premium version where they could access higher-quality audio, no adverts and the ability to listen to songs offline."Our very clear mission is getting more people to access and discover more great music," he told a press conference in New York."Along with more free users there will be more subscribers, and that means more revenue back to the industry."The firm is dropping the 10-hours-a-month cap it previously placed on long-term users of its free services.Mobile YouTubeOver the past year Google has rolled out its own subscription Play Music service in several countries, Apple has launched iTunes Radio in the US and Bloom.fm has begun offering subscription packages at cheaper rates than Spotify in the UK.In addition Rdio has expanded its music-streaming service to 51 countries, while France's Deezer has announced its intention to begin offering tracks in the US next year.Mr Ek suggested Spotify would gain an advantage over its rivals by offering a product that was free to use and gave device owners control over exactly which songs they listened to.But one expert pointed out that YouTube already did that."YouTube is available on all smartphones with absolutely no premium fee at all, and you get video, social features and lyrics as well," said Mark Mulligan, editor of the Music Industry Blog."The labels have always been very keen to keep a separation between the free tier being locked to the PC and premium to mobile, but YouTube has never played by those rules."This is about making the playing field more level."Andy Malt, editor of the industry news site, CompleteMusicUpdate.com. said there had been reports that YouTube had secured licences to begin its own paid music subscription service early next year with ad-free, offline-use features."In January we're expecting YouTube to launch its own music service, which may well have a strong mobile offering," he said."Also, the long-awaited Beats Music service, from Dr Dre's company will launch in the US the same month and offer strong competition."I suspect at this stage Spotify is trying to move ahead of its competitors to try to maintain its dominance in the streaming market ahead of extreme competition. Next year will be a make-or-break time for many."Spotify also announced it was adding Led Zeppelin's tracks to its library as a streaming "exclusive" and had teamed up with speaker manufactures to allow its premium members to send music wirelessly to their systems.
Smartphone users will be able to build playlists of songs and then hear them played back in a random order. Tablet users will have more control, letting them select specific tracks.
The Swedish firm also announced it was expanding to a further 20 countries, taking its total reach to 55.
Experts said it needed to make the moves to combat growing competition.
Until now Spotify has offered a free-to-use product only on PCs, and had restricted its mobile apps to paying subscribers.
But its founder, Daniel Ek, said bringing a free service to Android and iOS devices would tempt more people to eventually switch to the premium version where they could access higher-quality audio, no adverts and the ability to listen to songs offline.
"Our very clear mission is getting more people to access and discover more great music," he told a press conference in New York.
"Along with more free users there will be more subscribers, and that means more revenue back to the industry."
The firm is dropping the 10-hours-a-month cap it previously placed on long-term users of its free services.Mobile YouTube
Over the past year Google has rolled out its own subscription Play Music service in several countries, Apple has launched iTunes Radio in the US and Bloom.fm has begun offering subscription packages at cheaper rates than Spotify in the UK.
In addition Rdio has expanded its music-streaming service to 51 countries, while France's Deezer has announced its intention to begin offering tracks in the US next year.
Mr Ek suggested Spotify would gain an advantage over its rivals by offering a product that was free to use and gave device owners control over exactly which songs they listened to.
But one expert pointed out that YouTube already did that.
"YouTube is available on all smartphones with absolutely no premium fee at all, and you get video, social features and lyrics as well," said Mark Mulligan, editor of the Music Industry Blog.
"The labels have always been very keen to keep a separation between the free tier being locked to the PC and premium to mobile, but YouTube has never played by those rules.
"This is about making the playing field more level."
Andy Malt, editor of the industry news site, CompleteMusicUpdate.com. said there had been reports that YouTube had secured licences to begin its own paid music subscription service early next year with ad-free, offline-use features.
"In January we're expecting YouTube to launch its own music service, which may well have a strong mobile offering," he said.
"Also, the long-awaited Beats Music service, from Dr Dre's company will launch in the US the same month and offer strong competition.
"I suspect at this stage Spotify is trying to move ahead of its competitors to try to maintain its dominance in the streaming market ahead of extreme competition. Next year will be a make-or-break time for many."
Spotify also announced it was adding Led Zeppelin's tracks to its library as a streaming "exclusive" and had teamed up with speaker manufactures to allow its premium members to send music wirelessly to their systems.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25338591
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
The firm is dropping the 10-hours-a-month cap it previously placed on long-term users of its free services.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm, does this mean business isn't go too well?
― Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Seems more like it's bending to market pressure to offer the same service on mobile that it does on pc.
― Viceroy, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
sounds like going for further ad reach
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/zkCx1cA.png
Yeahhhh..... No.
― pplains, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Genuinely awestruck by the dead-eyed philistinism of this quote:
“Music is an accompaniment, to add to your jog, your workday, your prep in the kitchen,” said James L. McQuivey, an analyst for Forrester Research. “ But it’s not something you’re eager to pay for if you don’t have to.”
I mean, of course not. Not when, y'know, your subscription to your fucking squash club is due at the end of the month.
(Source)
― Vast Halo, Friday, 13 December 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
"You haven't listened to Jimmy Eat World since.... 2004. Play now?"
― Viceroy, Friday, 13 December 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
"But it’s not something you’re eager to pay for if you don’t have to."
great analysis, also applies to: everything
― i have sounded the very dub step of humility (anonanon), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
"You haven't listened to Jimmy Eat World. Congratulations!"
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Goes along the lines of
http://i.imgur.com/8ObNt2E.jpg
― pplains, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
n00b question - I just got an account again after being on-and-off for the last couple of years. do you have to have something better than premium to have a profile picture?
― sleeve, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
btw the thing that tipped the scales was this:
Spotify GO! 1950: The Bomb in the Heart of the Century
― sleeve, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
holy crap
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Friday, 13 December 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
I can't believe that anyone who has actually used both would draw this comparison.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 13 December 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
My music torrents have fallen to zero
― Gotta take it slow in your fast ride (calstars), Friday, 13 December 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
plains I find that image genuinely beautiful
― jaymc, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
ppl with the mobile app: does the "friends" menu actually do anything? it's just blank for me. tried a different account on android, same thing.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 December 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
OK the new spotify has launched (I had a tip off last week it was coming)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 10:29 (eleven years ago) link
What's changed? Or is this just the LG tv app thing?
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 10:38 (eleven years ago) link
its a new look
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 10:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/BL9odTa.png
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 10:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/nWJBxMT.jpg
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
Hmmm, looks nicer than old one, sure. How's it running? Last time they changed the look the whole app just keeled over every time I tried to change pages, that went on for weeks.
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
smoothly so far
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
Soundrop changed too. It looks very different. Chat is now prominent and doesn't need clicked on to pull out.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
I don't use the mobile app for friends. The radio is pretty good considering it is free. I use it to get my goth crack fix, the goth radios don't throw in shit tracks.
As radio beats the crap out of Slacker and Last.fm.
― Sweetfrosti (I M Losted), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
it doesn't look changed to me. :(
― Viceroy, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
oh shihttp://spotiamp.com/
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 December 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
WHAT'S UP SPOTIFYIT'S YOUR BOY CHOZEN
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 5 January 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
hahahaha OMG
― Viceroy, Sunday, 5 January 2014 08:30 (ten years ago) link
bunch of stuff in my old playlists no longer available - or it just wouldn't play - I restarted Spotify (new version then installed) and the tracks had disappeared with no warning. Is this common?
― kinder, Sunday, 5 January 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
might be changes in licensing rights, happens from time to time
― calstars, Sunday, 5 January 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
CLICK ON THE BANNER TO HEAR MY JAMZ
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 January 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
Unexpected email from spotify: "Recommended for you. kiss the anus of a black cat."
I'm really hoping that's a band.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 10 January 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
it is, and they dont sound like you think either!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 January 2014 01:21 (ten years ago) link
really good weird folky stuff
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 January 2014 01:22 (ten years ago) link
not one of ILX's faves but Oasis have just gone up in the UK.
― piscesx, Monday, 13 January 2014 12:03 (ten years ago) link
Been very frustrated with it lately. I'd make a playlist at home, import it, and it wouldn't be available at work.
Frustrating because it had worked before and online sleuthing reveals there might be a bug/glitch happening due to Mavericks.
I like playlists based on time or letter of the alphabet. I can't sit here for six hours and listen to nothing but dance music, so I need a mix.
Found http://www.ivyishere.org/. Now I can make playlists from TEXT. So I whipped over to Wikipedia, copied some charts, dumped them into a spreadsheet and voila. Feeling a little bit better about the whole thing.
Here's 86 from '86 and selected Number 1 singles from Canada, 1975-79.
"Only Women Bleed" was a number one song in Canada. The things you learn late at night.
― pplains, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
Also downloaded the app on to my iPhone and got a test run of the premium package. Neat thing is that it transferred to the desktop version I always use.
― pplains, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
Oh wow dude, the text function on that Ivy playlist creator is magnificent, thanks very much for the heads up.
― I don't believe in the beauty standards (Windsor Davies), Monday, 20 January 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that looks very necessary, thanks.
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 January 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25809211
Music-streaming service Spotify is now allowing merchandise sales through its player, as it prepares itself for the arrival of a major new rival.Dr Dre is set to launch his Beats Music service in the US on Tuesday.Spotify's foray into merchandising is seen as the site's latest way to improve its relationship with artists and record labels.The company said it would not be taking any percentage of the products sold through the platform.Compared with services like Apple's iTunes, where music is bought, streaming sites offer revenues that are regarded by some as unreasonably minuscule.Radiohead's Thom Yorke took his work off Spotify in July last year, declaring on Twitter that he was "standing up for our fellow musicians".Tom Pakinkis, deputy editor of Music Week, said: "Spotify's main thrust recently is transparency."That's what the artists have been crying out for for quite a while now. The market as a whole is slowly but surely winning [over] the last few artists that are holding out from the service."As part of that effort, Spotify has recently sought to include other ways for artists and labels to earn money.In conjunction with London-based start-up Songkick, Spotify suggests local gigs and concerts based on the music a user has been listening to.Announcing the plans, Spotify's head of artist services, Mark Williamson, said: "We're really excited that Spotify's 24 million music-loving users can now see merchandise and concerts while listening to their favourite artists, and that we, in turn, can provide additional revenue opportunities for artists of all sizes."'Song with banjos'Keeping artists on-side will be a key part of any streaming site's continued success as the market becomes more crowded.Beats Music will now be competing not only with Spotify but the likes of Pandora, Rdio, Bloom.fm, Deezer and Google Play, which all offer similar services.Various music professionals and DJs have been enlisted by the firm to create expert playlists, rather than the algorithm-based approach used by other sites."We tried to remember a time a robot found us magic but all we could find were the times the robot made us laugh," the company said in a blog post poking fun at existing services."'You like Pantera? Have you heard of Black Sabbath? You like Mumford and Sons? Here's another song with banjos!'"'Significant player'Dr Dre's involvement in the headphone industry, which started with the launch of Beats in 2008, has attracted hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and spawned a vast array of other artist-endorsed headphone products.Mr Pakinkis said the strength of the Beats brand alone set the music service apart as a credible rival."It's a big company with a lot of marketing resource, and that gives the implication that it could be a significant player," he said."There are a lot of different players on the market now, and the struggles of some of them financially are well-documented."To clutter the market further, another streaming service - from controversial internet tycoon Kim Dotcom - was launched on Monday.His offering, Baboom, went live with a single album available to play - Mr Dotcom's own release, Good Times. More content is expected at a later date.New Zealand-based Mr Dotcom is currently fighting extradition to the US on charges of copyright infringement.
Dr Dre is set to launch his Beats Music service in the US on Tuesday.
Spotify's foray into merchandising is seen as the site's latest way to improve its relationship with artists and record labels.
The company said it would not be taking any percentage of the products sold through the platform.
Compared with services like Apple's iTunes, where music is bought, streaming sites offer revenues that are regarded by some as unreasonably minuscule.
Radiohead's Thom Yorke took his work off Spotify in July last year, declaring on Twitter that he was "standing up for our fellow musicians".
Tom Pakinkis, deputy editor of Music Week, said: "Spotify's main thrust recently is transparency.
"That's what the artists have been crying out for for quite a while now. The market as a whole is slowly but surely winning [over] the last few artists that are holding out from the service."
As part of that effort, Spotify has recently sought to include other ways for artists and labels to earn money.
In conjunction with London-based start-up Songkick, Spotify suggests local gigs and concerts based on the music a user has been listening to.
Announcing the plans, Spotify's head of artist services, Mark Williamson, said: "We're really excited that Spotify's 24 million music-loving users can now see merchandise and concerts while listening to their favourite artists, and that we, in turn, can provide additional revenue opportunities for artists of all sizes."'Song with banjos'
Keeping artists on-side will be a key part of any streaming site's continued success as the market becomes more crowded.
Beats Music will now be competing not only with Spotify but the likes of Pandora, Rdio, Bloom.fm, Deezer and Google Play, which all offer similar services.
Various music professionals and DJs have been enlisted by the firm to create expert playlists, rather than the algorithm-based approach used by other sites.
"We tried to remember a time a robot found us magic but all we could find were the times the robot made us laugh," the company said in a blog post poking fun at existing services.
"'You like Pantera? Have you heard of Black Sabbath? You like Mumford and Sons? Here's another song with banjos!'"'Significant player'
Dr Dre's involvement in the headphone industry, which started with the launch of Beats in 2008, has attracted hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and spawned a vast array of other artist-endorsed headphone products.
Mr Pakinkis said the strength of the Beats brand alone set the music service apart as a credible rival.
"It's a big company with a lot of marketing resource, and that gives the implication that it could be a significant player," he said.
"There are a lot of different players on the market now, and the struggles of some of them financially are well-documented."
To clutter the market further, another streaming service - from controversial internet tycoon Kim Dotcom - was launched on Monday.
His offering, Baboom, went live with a single album available to play - Mr Dotcom's own release, Good Times. More content is expected at a later date.
New Zealand-based Mr Dotcom is currently fighting extradition to the US on charges of copyright infringement.
― ۩, Monday, 20 January 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
game over
― Evil Juice Box Man (Moodles), Monday, 20 January 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
you think beats will kill spotify?
― ۩, Monday, 20 January 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
lol so.. spotify partnered with songkick and are selling t-shirts?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 January 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
haha, I have no idea, but implicitly trust any business decision Dr. Dre makes.
― Evil Juice Box Man (Moodles), Monday, 20 January 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JfdPHfX.png
― ۩, Monday, 20 January 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Does anyone else prefer the Spotify web player? Or am I just weird?
― Austin, Monday, 20 January 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
i hate it
― ۩, Monday, 20 January 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
The web player sucks a bit but it's better than nothing (I can't run the desktop app at work boring story).
Songkick has some superclever people but I still don't know what it's for.
― the right stfu (seandalai), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 01:44 (ten years ago) link
cant find any other bands with merch on spotify yet but it is quite a good idea I think. Spotify doesnt take a cut.
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/01/21/beats-launches-beats-music-app/
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link
i mean.... t-shirts? i mean, i realise merch blahblahblah, it just seems kind of desperate
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 13:15 (ten years ago) link
probably a way of keeping artists onside, free merch advertising and they get to keep all the money
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
― the right stfu (seandalai), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 01:44 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
? finding out when bands are playing?
― just sayin, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
this beats thing seems like a service for people too lazy to choose what to play or feel the need for famous people to tell them what is ok to listen to.
pitchfork dude makes a playlist then loads of "indie" kids listen to the exact same stuff.same for any genre representative.
It will probably work too, short term at least . I think a lot of people love convenience.
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
$9.99 a month[screen568x568-2][screen568x568][screen568x568-1]Beats Music is now available for iPhone on the App Store, after being originally announced back in October. The app is a very stylised adaption of a typical music streaming service app, with Beats heavily pushing the idea of customisation and curation to distance it from its many competitors.For instance, there is a ‘Right now’ view that serves song recommendations based on what only can be described as a mad lib. The app asks you what you are doing, what you are feeling, who you are with and what kind of genre of music you want. It then makes an endless playlist supposedly based on these choices. Although this sounds cool, I’m not sure how much of the first three questions even affect the suggested playlist.While the first three questions are abstract, the last is a direct question about genre preferences and the app seems to heavily rely on this last answer to construct its playlist.
Beats Music is now available for iPhone on the App Store, after being originally announced back in October. The app is a very stylised adaption of a typical music streaming service app, with Beats heavily pushing the idea of customisation and curation to distance it from its many competitors.
For instance, there is a ‘Right now’ view that serves song recommendations based on what only can be described as a mad lib. The app asks you what you are doing, what you are feeling, who you are with and what kind of genre of music you want. It then makes an endless playlist supposedly based on these choices. Although this sounds cool, I’m not sure how much of the first three questions even affect the suggested playlist.
While the first three questions are abstract, the last is a direct question about genre preferences and the app seems to heavily rely on this last answer to construct its playlist.
I would like to see its recommendations mind you. Bound to be better than Spotify's
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
Songkick has some superclever people but I still don't know what it's for.― the right stfu (seandalai), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 01:44 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink? finding out when bands are playing?― just sayin, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― just sayin, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Does Songkick do this any better than last.fm?
― the right stfu (seandalai), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
The app asks you what you are doing - Someone answers "wanking" what you are feeling, someone answers "my dick" who you are with - they might be honest and say "with my 2 buddies but we're all straight honest"and what kind of genre of music you want. "punk" It then makes an endless playlist supposedly based on these choices. In this case all the Circle Jerks songs in the catalog.
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5876954/beats-music-a-step-by-step-walk-through
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link
The app asks you what you are doing - Burning a churchwhat you are feeling - misanthropywho you are with - some crazy lunatics in corpsepaintand what kind of genre of music you want - black metal
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/ios_onboarding-300.jpg http://www.billboard.com/files/media/ios_just_for_you-300.jpghttp://www.billboard.com/files/media/ios_highlights-300.jpg
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/ios_right_now-300.jpghttp://www.billboard.com/files/media/ios_right_now_active-300.jpg
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
it's like they know me
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
funny, this concept reminds me of something... what is it?? oh yeah
http://theoptionspecialist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/6a00d8341c858253ef00e54f4f289d8833-640wi.jpeg
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
ahh you mean payola!
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
i mean the radio has been programming music by mood, time of day, etc, with famous people telling you what to listen to for years
re: payola i would be genuinely surprised if beats didn't have a mechanism in place for giving certain tunes a boost w/in their algorithms, explicitly in exchange for promo cash
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
i mean the radio has been programming music by mood, time of day, etc, with famous people telling you what to listen to for years - most american radio hasn't done this for years
― balls, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
radio is usually the same songs every 2 hours ime
― ۩, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
I've been listening to the beats music app all day so far.Impressions:The recommendations thing seems to be pushing toward curated playlists. As far as I remember I've gotten:The best of GZA, Intro to Ellen Allien, Warp Records: Essential Listening, Can Family (solo work from members of Can and related music)
The entire "describe your mood/atmosphere" feature hasn't done much for me yet, but it seems like they're working through some glitches at the moment. Weirdest thing so far is that I've found an album or two that's not supposed to be out for a while that's on there.
― mh, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
DETOX???!?!??!!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
shhh
― mh, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
I think I'm cracking up. Convinced every song is playing just slightly too *fast* tonight. Wondering if it's a plot to increase advertising revenue by having it take less time to play a song.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 24 January 2014 05:56 (ten years ago) link
iirc there were radio stations in the past who played songs a bit too fast, with the theory that it would sound subliminally "more exciting"
which in turn led to at least one group recording their songs slow, knowing it would be played on that station
i think maybe it was stiffed records who did this?? recorded everything slow in order for it to sound "right" on radio caroline or something?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 January 2014 09:01 (ten years ago) link
that had to really fuck with people with perfect pitch
― mh, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Chipmunk_songbook.jpg
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
AL-VIN!!!!
― Evil Juice Box Man (Moodles), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
ah documentation: my own post:
Robert Johnson....playin' too fast???
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
http://fifteenpercentfaster.tumblr.com/post/60849338910/welcome
― kinder, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
dudes, somebody at my work rebooted spotify and everything has a sexy new look. like, really nice design. this was weeks ago. i'm stuck with same old spotify, at work and at home. wha happen?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
sounds like they've been gradually rolling it out for a month or so -- still have the old version here
― a chance to cross is a chance to score (anonanon), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
had the new version a few weeks now or more
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
oh over a month
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2014/01/30/4-million-songs-on-spotify-have-never-been-played-ever-forgotify-is-about-to-change-that/
^ this sounds neat but it doesn't work for me :(
― keiji cretins (NickB), Thursday, 30 January 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
On the Media did a piece recently about a guy who records hundreds of (very basic) songs and puts them on Spotify. He makes a decent amount in streaming fees.
Also there's Pappa Razzi and the Photogs-- a guy singing idiotic songs about semi-famous people: "Bob Odenkirk, Everyone Loves You" "Ron Funches, You Are so Funny" "Zoe Saldana, I Respect You For Being Nice & Great" "Blair Underwood, You Are a Good Actor" etc.
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 January 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
I don't really like Spotify but Forgotify is really great
― DDD, Thursday, 30 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Man, Wesley Willis would have done great in this day and age. :(
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 January 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how much money Chief Kooffreh makes off Spotify
― the first cologne based on a sea-captain based celebrity (seandalai), Thursday, 30 January 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
He's finally rich I bet.
― pandemic, Thursday, 30 January 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
Posted in the digital music collection thread, but it's worth re-posting I think: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/04/pacemaker-dj-app-with-spotify/
― schwantz, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
does anyone know how forgotify works? is it really all tracks that have never been played before?
― soref, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
According to the Forgotify site, yes. Load up Forgotify, see what never-heard-before song it randomly chooses (Maybe it uses a search algorithm and Spotify play stats to determine what is never-played), admire the cover, then play it (or don't)
― DDD, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
OK, I've been using this for half an hour and it is now playing a track that I am almost certain I myself have played before
― soref, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it takes a while to update the play statistic?
Forgetify has also given me a Mary J. Blidge track once
― DDD, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
forgotify is still pretty great, regardless of whether these are tracks that have literally been played by zero people or not, some really fantastic stuff that I never would have found myself.
― soref, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
it kind of reminds me of the Random Shopper thing in that regard
― katherine, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
There was a website that would show you a random book on Amazon - it turns out that most of their stock is either erotic literature or print-on-demand hard copies of Wikipedia articles.
― the first cologne based on a sea-captain based celebrity (seandalai), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, it was not the best way to stock my library
― mh, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
= karaoke versions and tracks from sound fx albums in the spotify equivalent
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
So far Forgotify has given me a bunch of great 1970s Middle Eastern pop, some Bollywood soundtracks, off-brand classical recordings and some random self-released earnest singer-songwriters. Every now and then it says the track it was about to play has now been played by someone, but would I like to hear it anyway.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
So nobody cares about Pacemaker? I can't wait to check it out!
― schwantz, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
downloaded; it's kinda neat
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 04:51 (ten years ago) link
The thing about getting a track on forgotify which it seems too strange that noone has played: Some albums are on Spotify twice over or more -- could be because of various editions, or availability in various markets, or due to simple error. It is conceivable that one instance of such an album gets all the plays (e.g. if there's a tagging error in the other one).
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
messed around with it a little today, it doesn't do much pro DJ type shit if you're used to Traktor or whatever (I can't really figure out cueing or get it to auto-sync very good) but just to have a simple app to crossfade between two tracks off of Spotify is pretty great (especially for free)
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, hopefully:1. Pacemaker gets some improvements2. Spotify opens up to other vendors (Traktor for example)
― schwantz, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
after some more playing around I figured out you can at least move the start cue but it's hard to put it right on a beat. without having a good starting point it seems impossible to get it to sync right, unless there's something I'm missing. like you hit "sync" and it just immediately starts playing the other track, they will be the same tempo but if you're just starting from some random spot it's not gonna match up right.
still, it's kind of a cool app, I do like it
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
funnily enough this will only work on iOS 7 and Traktor DJ will only work on iOS 6 haha
I grabbed Traktor DJ for iPad the day they had it up for free but I never used it.
if they integrated spotify with Traktor Pro for desktop that would be pretty killer.
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
er, not desktop ... laptop ... non-iPad. you know what I mean.
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
Before this, I figured that something in Spotify's contracts prevented them from allowing "performance" apps (like DJ software), but I guess not. Hopefully this is just the start.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
the only restriction in Pacemaker is that you can record your set inside Pacemaker (mix and record at the same time) if you're using mp3's but if you use Spotify tracks the record button is disabled. supposedly because of some copyright thing.
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
Traktor works fine on iOS 7 iirc?
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
oh does it? I guess they updated. they sent out an email saying not to update to 7 and never said anything more about it. (I went ahead and upgraded since I really only use it on my laptop anyway.)
― dmr, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
I mean, if it still didn't work this many months in, they'd be having some serious issues
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
Guys remind me is there still a way to see the total time of your playlists?
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
I see a tiny little figure in the top right of the playlist screen, above the switch for making "available offline"
― a chance to cross is a chance to score (anonanon), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140223/22200926326/musicians-increasingly-realizing-that-streaming-services-are-actually-really-good-thing.shtml
― schwantz, Monday, 24 February 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
Thanks for that article, interesting read. Sounds like the key is to lose a label that will suck most of the money before you see it (duh!) and get hugely popular in Scandinavia.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 February 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
interesting read, sure, though i'm not sure two musicians writing pro-spotify articles means that musicians in general are "increasingly realizing" anything. it would have been just as easy to find two or three or twenty or thirty pro-spotify articles by musicians three or four years ago.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 24 February 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link
I think it will be interesting if streaming gets really popular in the US to see if the money actually starts rolling in for people.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
it is really popular, it's just mostly those darn millenials on youtube
― have a nice blood (mh), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 01:06 (ten years ago) link
I think I've seen AT&T plugging their new download and streaming service Beats Music with TV ads. Subscriptions are $14.99/month for a family and $9.99 for an individual.
― timellison, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
it's a service with a deal with at&t. it's $9.99 each per if you are not a customer of at&t. there's a thread
― have a nice blood (mh), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
Annoyingly, just as I was getting into the surprisingly good Matt Berry albums, they've vanished from spotify
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 09:23 (ten years ago) link
Glenn can explain what it means of course
http://blog.echonest.com/post/78749300941/the-echo-nest-joins-spotify
― Scooby Doom (۩), Thursday, 6 March 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
It may be a little while before I can actually explain anything beyond the fact that on your first day you get green headphones and a t-shirt, but yes, Spotify just bought The Echo Nest, where I work!
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 March 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
I didn't realize you work there! I love me some data mining.
― have a nice blood (mh), Thursday, 6 March 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
I feel honored to have been a part of the Echo Nest experience since the beginning, and I wish you and your coworkers the best of luck as you embark on your incredible journey with Spotify!
― his eye is on the sbarro (unregistered), Thursday, 6 March 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
If this could somehow lead to that insane genre map you produced becoming accessible as a Spotify app with all the relevant linking, well that'd be pretty much the best thing ever.
― I don't believe in the beauty standards (Windsor Davies), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
yep. fix it please.
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
The soundrop app (works with spotify or deezer) now has an Official 80s Underground/Indie room for all you old goths and noise rockers etchttp://open.soundrop.fm/s/80sunderground
Web version that uses youtube - http://play.soundrop.fm/s/XRp57NhZKZr7ZEGH
Onimo * others come play some of your faves!
― Scooby Doom (۩), Monday, 10 March 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
http://f.cl.ly/items/2O0O1B452m2x0N3s0r0Q/ClouDrop%2013%20Mar%202014%2016%3A21%3A14.png
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
yes please
― PONOPONOPONO (seandalai), Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Grr. I promise I will try to get these fixed...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 March 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
Maybe they are "fixed", and that Spotify is paid to push those artists?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link
No, that's not it.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
I love how for so many artists who I want to hear an 80s pop song by I get some re-recorded 2000s version of it and can't find the original. namely The Jets's "Make it Real" or Benny Mardones "Into the Night"...
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
Jets "Make It Real": http://open.spotify.com/track/3sasIFIs1FUbB9gp03JUtsBenny Mardones "Into the Night": http://open.spotify.com/track/0rhyBUAgNXwdyvGVXSrLzc
These sound like the right versions. All I did was search on "jets make it real" or "benny mardones into the night", and these were the first results in both cases...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
nope, it's a decent reproduction, but that is definitely not the original version of "Make It Real". This is the original, and you can tell it's different as she uses slightly different inflections in the chorus, plus the keyboards are slightly different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOfSl2CFbY
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
that is the orig (1980) Mardones version tho, maybe I missed it several months ago or they added it in. when I last tried it was always a newer 2000s version.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I buy that they're slightly different versions of that Jets song, but I think the one I linked is also from the original era, not a later re-recording. Album vs single mix, maybe? The actual Jets albums appear to just not be available on any of the commercial online services. Not iTunes, and not anything the Echo Nest tracks. Everybody only has comps.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link
possible. the guitar solo though sounds a bit like a modern reproduction, but I can't place the era.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
mardones records a new version of 'into the night' every few years to mark the passage of the years, a real time demonstration of 'i keep getting older but they stay the same age'
― balls, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
hah yeah that too
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:41 (ten years ago) link
that jets track is DEFINITELY a re-recording. Pretty much everything on K-Tel on Spotify, except for the occasional '60s indie thing, is a re-recording.
the original is available on a 20th century masters comp from Geffen, though. Helps to look at the label on these things.
― da croupier, Friday, 14 March 2014 05:21 (ten years ago) link
the k-tel stuff apparently was recorded in 1998 - their wikipedia's pretty straightforward about it
― da croupier, Friday, 14 March 2014 05:26 (ten years ago) link
fyi glenn i'd also avoid recommending tracks from goldenlane records and deadline music - all re-recording compilation pushers
― da croupier, Friday, 14 March 2014 05:30 (ten years ago) link
it's funny, i went to great lengths to try and keep re-recordings out of my top 40 playlists, but every once and a while when the original disappears from the site they'll just link to some crap redux version.
like this shirelles reissue went away - http://open.spotify.com/album/1tF35RmMriESRkYvn4VrEZ
so now links to "baby it's you" from it feed to...this: http://open.spotify.com/album/7drJ2KUsPcmRcmcYv77FK2
― da croupier, Friday, 14 March 2014 05:40 (ten years ago) link
lol apparently goldenlane and deadline and purple pyramid are all just names for cleopatra, the guys who bring you those "Tracii Guns and Mark Slaughter - Stairway To Heaven" comps
― da croupier, Friday, 14 March 2014 05:48 (ten years ago) link
someone posted this on fb
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1896987_10151918266737245_976104548_n.jpg
― all is fair in love and womp (monotony), Friday, 14 March 2014 10:54 (ten years ago) link
― Scooby Doom (۩), Friday, 14 March 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
I have 100% faith in Glenn to get that all fixed
Could be an experiment/glitch/weird data...on the whole I think Spotify recommendations are pretty good! Apart from the ones that tell you about artists you already listen to.
― PONOPONOPONO (seandalai), Friday, 14 March 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
You should never have 100% faith in anything. But 95% faith would be heartening. Thanks!
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 March 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
can any UK-ilxors check Spotify to see if they have Debbie Friedman's miracles and wonders album? for some reason i can access her catalog when going thru old playlists and other ppl's direct spotify links, but not directly thru search function.
― Mordy , Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
no, a search on her name here just gives 'Songs of the spirit', a 2-cd anthology.
― woof, Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
Search is weird for some albums. Try searching for a song title and then click more info and view album details. If necessary, make a playlist for the album.
― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
oh man, i just looked at the "related artists" for kesha and they include shitty mp3-only cover shit with titles like "cover pop," "tribute mega stars" and "rainbow mix" in between austin mahone, rihanna and katy perry.
― da croupier, Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
never looked at the "related artists" to a big modern pop act before, i knew it could be a little clunky and repetitive when it came to more obscure stuff, but i didn't know they'd straight up point you towards karaoke-style covers.
― da croupier, Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
that said the related artists for lesser-known acts are actually genuinely fascinating/useful!
― katherine, Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
totally - i just didn't realize how absurd whatever algorithm they use gets when karaoke-style shit was in play.
the top 5 "related artists" for tribute-makers Radio Waves are: Big Hits 2012, Don't Wake Me Up (literally just a single anonymous cover of Chris Brown's "Don't Wake Me Up"), Hit Makers 2012, Phat Tunes and Paris Hilton.
― da croupier, Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
eagerly anticipating Hit Makers 2012's followup
― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
I listen to Spotify on my MacBook at the office, and sometimes on my iPhone, but at home I mostly listen to it through my living room home theater system, which has a Squeezebox attached. Recently I was showing this system to my father, who is in the market for new TV and music gear, and now he's all about getting something that will let him use Spotify the same way.
What kind of equipment are people using for similar purposes? There's got to be something really simple I could set up for him, judging from the number of receivers and receiver-connectable devices that now support Spotify.
― Brad C., Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
Wait does that Squeezebox still work?
― I Forgot More Than You'll Ever POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
this is what i use and i really like it:http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Wireless-Speakers/A4+XW-SMA4-K
― Mordy , Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
I've mostly been playing spotify through the roku lately with my tv audio routed to my stereo. I like being able to see what's playing on the screen and use the tv remote to skip. However I don't like that the roku app doesn't allow you to play an entire playlist folder, only individual playlists.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 17 March 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah, the Squeezebox works fine
― Brad C., Monday, 17 March 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link
Ours finally died so we went with Sonos
― I Forgot More Than You'll Ever POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 March 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
Sonos. He'll need something to control it -- an iPhone or Android phone, iPod Touch, computer -- but it's super easy to set up and use. They make self-contained speakers as well as boxes that you can hook into an existing stereo system. I've been really happy with mine.
― early rejecter, Monday, 17 March 2014 01:25 (ten years ago) link
I just have my computer close to my stereo and run a cord out of the headphone jack that has RCA cables on the other ends. I plug them into the "VCR" channel on my receiver because it's not being used.
― timellison, Monday, 17 March 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
had a dream last night that the RIAA or some similar institution shut spotify down. there were so many songs that i couldn't summon on command anymore, i felt a profound sense of loss.
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
it's gonna be okay treeship
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 March 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
i would feel a sense of relief at thata couple of weeks ago spotify choice anxiety was driving me irl insane
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
i find that half the time I don't even finish whole tracks on there bc i need to switch to the next thing i thought of, it's just not good for my brain.
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
that's the internet in general for me.
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/One-Band-Is-Making-Money-On-Spotify-By-Streaming-5335449.php
Michigan-based rock trio Vulfpeck recently released a 10-track album on Spotify to help fund its tour, Digiday reports.But here's the thing: the entire "Sleepify" album is pure silence. The idea is for fans to stream the album while they're sleeping. Since Spotify requires a track to be at least 30 seconds long, all of the Sleepify tracks are at least 30 seconds of silence. Vulfpeck also thinks it can make enough money to not have to charge anything at the door. One listen to a Vulpeck song on Spotify gets the band half a cent. If a single person listens to the album on repeat during a 7-hour sleep session, Vulpeck has calculated that it could earn $4 per person. "It's a clever stunt," a Spotify spokesperson told Business Insider via email. "Not much more to say than that."This is not the first time someone has tried to game Spotify. Back in January, we found out that Matt Farley made $23,000 last year from posting songs to Spotify and iTunes.
But here's the thing: the entire "Sleepify" album is pure silence. The idea is for fans to stream the album while they're sleeping. Since Spotify requires a track to be at least 30 seconds long, all of the Sleepify tracks are at least 30 seconds of silence.
Vulfpeck also thinks it can make enough money to not have to charge anything at the door. One listen to a Vulpeck song on Spotify gets the band half a cent. If a single person listens to the album on repeat during a 7-hour sleep session, Vulpeck has calculated that it could earn $4 per person.
"It's a clever stunt," a Spotify spokesperson told Business Insider via email. "Not much more to say than that."
This is not the first time someone has tried to game Spotify. Back in January, we found out that Matt Farley made $23,000 last year from posting songs to Spotify and iTunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXvncV79LXk
― Bee OK, Friday, 21 March 2014 05:49 (ten years ago) link
Since Spotify requires a track to be at least 30 seconds long
this isn't true, idgi
― ogmor, Friday, 21 March 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
I pulled out my 128 gb iPod and am enjoying it so much more than spotify. Call it choice anxiety I guess.
― calstars, Friday, 21 March 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
There are still songs in my own collection that I haven't fully digested. I don't need 10 million more.
― calstars, Friday, 21 March 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
Since Spotify requires a track to be at least 30 seconds longthis isn't true, idgi― ogmor, Friday, March 21, 2014
this isn't true, idgi― ogmor, Friday, March 21, 2014
maybe if it's silence? so that they can't release a 6,000 track album and make $30 per play?
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 March 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
this is a waste of energy and bandwidth
― POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 21 March 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
Spotify bitcoin mining is kinda next level honestly
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 March 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
because it's real coin
― POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 21 March 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
is there any reason why Hounds of Love isn't on US spotify when the other kate bush records all are? was it on a different label or something?
it's the spotify omission that bothers me the most since it's my favorite record and there's no obvious reason for it not to be there.
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 March 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
the karaoke version / cover version maestros have been at this game a long time. i'd love to see a documentary about these people. i imagine them commanding a dank basement of studio musicians, like some kind of gulag, churning out sound-a-likes for the price of a bowl of soup. add on some SEO wizardry courtesy an underpaid high-school wunderkind and some of these cover versions actually make the top 40 singles chart.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 March 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
you don't even need SEO wizardry. you cover "drunk in love," you call it "drunk in love," and you're done. you will get a shitload of hits in spotify and lots of other places.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 21 March 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
in fact, someone should cover that entire beyonce album and put it on spotify. goldmine. unless 10 other people already have.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 21 March 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Since Spotify requires a track to be at least 30 seconds long, all of the Sleepify tracks are at least 30 seconds of silence.
They may be confused with last.fm - if the track is under 30 seconds it won't appear in your last.fm listening stats.
― nashwan, Friday, 21 March 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
don't know if it's true or not, but what they're saying isn't that you can't put a shorter track on spotify, but rather that it has to be at least that long to register as an official play. if you only listen to a song for 29 seconds, spotify won't pay the artist their .00000000002 cents.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 21 March 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that makes sense
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 March 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/happy-single/id821081024
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 March 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Do any UK ilxors know why "The Man Machine" has disappeared from Spotify? Are Kraftwerk removing their LPs?
― Rob M Revisited, Sunday, 23 March 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
This is kind of interesting:http://www.theguardian.com/music/ng-interactive/2014/mar/27/uk-most-popular-music-city-by-city-spotify-interactive
― narcissism of vas deferenses (NickB), Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
ha, the geographical distribution for robin thicke
― narcissism of vas deferenses (NickB), Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:33 (ten years ago) link
mind you, the geographical distribution for alt-j is nothing to be proud of :(
― narcissism of vas deferenses (NickB), Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:35 (ten years ago) link
noodle vague caning the bruno mars again
― narcissism of vas deferenses (NickB), Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:36 (ten years ago) link
The wacky jugglers of Brighton are probably caning the Alt-J album.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:54 (ten years ago) link
fucking posh english edinburgh uni students!
― Scooby Doom (۩), Thursday, 27 March 2014 12:44 (ten years ago) link
So Spotify had a major facelift. The iOS app is very different. It looks good but I'm finding it a bit baffling. Don't really get some of the changes.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
i think it's meant to echo the look of the newly facelifted ios, lotsa circles
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:32 (ten years ago) link
i still have the old shit! (mac)
c'mon
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
my ipad's getting jack shit
I'm confused about offline lists now. Some of the songs have a green arrow and some don't but they all play offline.
What's the deal with the new Your Music stuff? How do you get to it in the app?
When I click the volume icon it comes up with a thing about playing music on all devices with Connect. What does that mean?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
New iPhone interface seems like an improvement to me: photos for the playlists, ability to tell where you are playing a track from. Still don't know how to see the actual play queue.
― Teenage Idol With the Golden Head (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
Fucking piece of shit is already constantly crashing on me.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
which platform?
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
iOS.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
No photos for my old ipod touch as far as I can tell. :'(
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
couple years ago i signed up for a free spotify premium something or other and in the process somehow my previously deleted facebook account was reactivated. i don't like when technology makes me feel like an asshole.
― art, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
really like the facelift. also they added a 'new releases' section which was missing for a long time.
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
It's rolling out to all users in stages, so if you don't have the new Your Music stuff yet, don't panic. You'll get it soon.
I think it's pretty nice, too. I'm nominally biased, since I now work for Spotify, but I had nothing to do with this set of changes.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 April 2014 06:20 (ten years ago) link
I listen to the Spotify mobile app for hours every day, I think it's a great service overall. But the app drives me bazonkers. Slow start up time, and then once it starts up, it's unresponsive. I taptaptaptaptap but nothing registers. Then it finally plays but sometimes hangs up in between tracks. Just won't go to the next track unless I manually skip to it. Then it crashes out of the blue and I have to restart the whole process. Maybe it's the way I have my playlists organized, or the number of songs I have, or something specific to me, but it sucks. And I'm tired of being a beta tester for a buggy app.
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 April 2014 11:10 (ten years ago) link
Crashed 4 times in the last 20 minutes. Title and artwork sometimes stops updating when skipping tracks. Rage rising.
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 April 2014 12:49 (ten years ago) link
meanwhile..
http://davidbyrne.com/how-will-the-wolf-survive-can-musicians-make-a-living-in-the-streaming-era
― piscesx, Thursday, 3 April 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
Jeff what platform are you on?
― calstars, Thursday, 3 April 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link
iOS
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 April 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
I'm a big spotify booster, but I'm feeling very frustrated with this new release. Album artwork is completely AWOL in offline mode. When a new track starts, it takes 20 seconds for the track name to refresh, this makes it impossible to flip through a bunch songs quickly. I'm also puzzled by the new symbols for offline tracks: some have green arrows, some have grey arrows, and some have no arrows. What does that mean?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 3 April 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
YES
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 April 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
finally can add new playlists and delete playlists within folders so this update is clearly the best
― anonanon, Thursday, 3 April 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
Still hoping for multiple tabs/windows in the desktop app UI.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 3 April 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
Ugh that big shuffle play button at the top of the screen is going to get hit a lot by accident
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Thursday, 3 April 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
the placement of buttons in general seems weird
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 3 April 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
What I rly rly want is an album browse option. Some of my playlists are arrangements of individual tracks but others (the really long playlists) are basically sets of a bunch of whole albums that fit a certain vibe and I wish I could see them as a list of albums if I wanted.
― Myth or it didn't happen (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 April 2014 23:30 (ten years ago) link
Yup
― Teenage Idol With the Golden Head (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 3 April 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
rdio has a nice "collection" folder that shows as albums, but "playlists" only show as a list of tracks. seems like a pretty easy thing to allow for different "collections" but none yet.
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
i would love a way to "star" albums separately from tracks.
― brimstead, Friday, 4 April 2014 00:08 (ten years ago) link
I liked all of the stars and hearts, it created a more musical experience.
I just realized that if I make a playlist that is descriptive enough, I can make a "radio station" out of it. Found lots of obscurities that way.
― I am Sporadicus! (I M Losted), Friday, 4 April 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link
i don't like the new look :/
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 April 2014 01:43 (ten years ago) link
Seems slower to show new artwork when skipping a track.
― calstars, Friday, 4 April 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
I'm not sure how anyone who tested this can say, oh this is faster and less buggy! Ship it!
― Jeff, Friday, 4 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
Finding I have trouble hitting the little menu button on the lower right. Either that or there is a lag.
― Tompall Tudor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 April 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
I preferred just tapping the album cover.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Friday, 4 April 2014 22:55 (ten years ago) link
Zat still work?
― Tompall Tudor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 April 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
has anyone gotten this on the mac?
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
i got the new ios app on my iphone but my macbook version hasn't changed
― Mordy , Friday, 4 April 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
disappointing, but thanks!
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:19 (ten years ago) link
It's a gradual rollout over the course of a couple weeks or something. If you don't have it yet, you'll get it soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 5 April 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
Are we Linux users getting the update too?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 5 April 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
The Steely Dan poll results playlist has 17 followers. I'm one and I can see who three others are. Who are the other 13? Who are the 401 users following "Julian Cope's Japrocksampler Top 50 Albums"? I can go get fucked.
Update from a Spotiy developer: "We have currently no plans to restore that feature. It's being discussed though, as we know that some people find it useful. The problem with the feature as it used to work was that, although it made sense for a handful of followers, it didn't scale for playlists with many followers. It was sort of broken, and fixing it properly would have quite far reaching technical implications. I hope that answers your question."
IOW, "we don't wanna do this thing, because it's hard." *sticks out bottom lip*
― WilliamC, Saturday, 5 April 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
not seeing it myself
as for ios, my local music no longer has artwork >:-|
― original bgm, Sunday, 6 April 2014 04:03 (ten years ago) link
I'll concede that this update looks and works better on my wife's shiny new iPhone than on my old iPod touch
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Sunday, 6 April 2014 04:05 (ten years ago) link
The iOS app is almost usable if you start it, and don't touch anything. Don't skip tracks, don't star them, don't move anywhere else in the app. But once you do any of those, it starts hanging up, unresponsive, crashing. This is one of the worst app updates I've ever seen.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link
The entire Spotify mobile app QA team needs to be fired. If they even exist.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
What device are you guys using, I am having exactly zero problems with the app but maybe that's because it's on an iphone 5
― anonanon, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
guys I accidentally paid for a month of beats music, see you on the other side
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link
iPhone 5. I suspect it has something to do with the number of songs I have on my most played playlist. 2269, all available offline.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
Maybe I need a 5s.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
works fine on 5s
― Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
just got the new spotify on my mac
― Mordy , Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
hope i do too soon
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
fuck, almost all of Underworld has vanished now
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 03:48 (ten years ago) link
starring stuff is now a huge PITA
― ugh (lukas), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
I'm less worried about the technological stuff, and more about the fact that a huge chunk of their Kinks catalog seems to have vanished in a puff of smoke.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
I logged out and logged back in on my iPod yesterday and now I have the Your Music stuff plus it's somewhat better about displaying album art in offline mode.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 10 April 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link
what's the difference between pressing the + button to add a song to your "Songs" list, vs starring a song to add it to your starred list?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 April 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link
you can browse items on Your Music by album or artist, other than that it just seems like an additional "star" list as far as I can tell
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 10 April 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link
GOT IT
― markers, Thursday, 10 April 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
yay!
lol this looks much better
― markers, Thursday, 10 April 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
--this kind of looks ios7-y --kind of an improvement i guess--pity they didn't think about the bullshit layout--i don't want to individually hit 'back' n times to get to the damn menu--nor do i want a 'start playing playlist/album/search result in shuffle play' button taking up space that could instead allow shuffle and repeat options on screen--haha i'm probably meant to shake the phone or invert it or use some kind of vigorous wanking motion but fuck off
--that said i can't really imagine getting all that cross about this because, you know, all of recorded music ever is available to me through the air
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 10 April 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
all of recorded music ever
kind of lol but mostly sad
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 April 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
why have they got that 'starred' bit at the top of the faves on the left there?? either way i do like the look of it, makes the old one look dead cramped.
― piscesx, Thursday, 10 April 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
ugh i hate minimalist scroll bars
― reddening, Saturday, 12 April 2014 05:49 (ten years ago) link
I hate how big everything is
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Saturday, 12 April 2014 06:00 (ten years ago) link
That music travels through more glass than air
― Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 12 April 2014 06:05 (ten years ago) link
It's cool how you can't tell whether shuffle is on or not except by getting your face right up to the monitor, squinting and clicking the icon repeatedly, hoping the difference between faintest gray and faintest gray gently kissed by faintest green will assert itself.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 12 April 2014 12:34 (ten years ago) link
I miss iTunes.
― Jeff, Saturday, 12 April 2014 13:04 (ten years ago) link
so is there no way to a whole bunch of tracks to Your Music at once? looks like the most you can do is add a whole album, but you can't do a whole playlist.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Saturday, 12 April 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:08 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well awesome, the new (?) "Save" feature basically allows you to do just this. maybe it was there all along.
― brimstead, Friday, 18 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
I actually miss the ability to Star tracks with a single click, since I had my Starred Playlist set to store offline as per some discussion above. Still getting used to My Music.
― When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 April 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
I mean can you just set all of My Music to be offline?
― When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 April 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
i am using spotify right now (free month trial) and i am loving it! like how it scrobbles to last fm, very nice... im still contemplating 10 buckz a month is worth it though?
― ledos, Sunday, 20 April 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
― Scooby Doom (۩), Sunday, 20 April 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
Yes. It's kind of a great deal for what you get. Almost too good to be true.
― Jeff, Sunday, 20 April 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
it is worth it for me. there was a fairly annoying spotify commercial before the movie I went to today where a girl got a playlist from a ~cute boy~, linked it to her friends via text, and was all "AHHHHH look what Devon made me!!"
― Sufjan Cougar Mellencamp (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 April 2014 00:27 (ten years ago) link
tempted to make a parody where I receive a playlist of Jim Ford rarities from my local record store owner and forward it to my brother
― Sufjan Cougar Mellencamp (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 April 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link
not sure what the point of 'your music' is & why it has replaced starred tracks for one-click adding w/out replacing starred tracks entirely. ticks are better than stars but otherwise I am at a loss
― ogmor, Monday, 21 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
yeah v confused by it all and dont want to spend the time to figure it out really.
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
You used to have to make a playlist out of an album in order to save it. Now you can just save it, and use playlists for actual playlists. Plus you can see your music by song or album or artist, and sorted a variety of ways, none of which was true with a flat sidebar of playlists.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
thinking of it as an archive makes more sense. might be useful for mobile if I can be bothered to fill it up. was never big into albums playlists but I appreciate that organizing music is a pretty daunting task, I only wish the year info was better as I do like to group things chronologically
― ogmor, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/13969183184_28f286c630_b.jpg
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:34 (ten years ago) link
Scared to install in fear that it will make my phone explode.
Ok, this is like a billion times better. Don't know wtf happened with that last release.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
is an update available for iOS 6?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
No idea, I'm on 7.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
Are you guys talking about iPad? Don't see much difference on iPhone between this update and the prior one. Also no Repeat One.
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
The update is that isn't crashing constantly.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
Which is really all I care about. Just play the music.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
yeah, seems much better for me as well. I can actually hit 'next' with the screen locked again!
still wish the art for all my local music didn't get zapped :-/
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
so, I imagine 'stars' are getting phased out now, huh? suxx.
― original bgm, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
I never really used the stars. Of the new system is a way to organize albums I want to have easy acces to, but keep it separate from the playlists that I create, then that's great.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
Chronology - yes. And I realize that my favorite playlists are often idiosyncratic...I wish you could locate playlists by means other than title. Like keywords. It needs more social "glue", more personality.
It sucks when you get re-recordings when you search for songs, especially when you want to spice up your playlists with one-hit wonders or oddball tracks.
― I am Sporadicus! (I M Losted), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
otm. One rerecord can ruin your whole playlist.
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDZys3nrYLY&feature=kp
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
If the stars go, I go.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
loss of stars is a shame, in theory you could just add to 'starred' playlist but yeah it's not the same. i'm also guessing you can't see what tracks ppl have saved which is a shame cuz ppl's starred playlists could be pretty interesting/great. otoh 'save' w/ albums has definitely increased the utility of the app. love everything else about the update, much closer to matching the desktop experience.
― balls, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
never really understood "starred". was it a rating system?
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
No. You could only "star" or "unstar." It was a list of Favorites or an On-The-Go Playlist, the default playlist that was always first and easiest to get to. Still there, but harder to add to.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:18 (ten years ago) link
Just a quick way to note a track for replay-ability. 80% of the time I listen to music, it's my starred playlist on random.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah "starred" is now this weird neutered version of its old self, functionally a normal playlist but one you can't move or delete
― anonanon, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
Basically a while back, based on somebody's suggestion upthread, I set my Starred Playlist to be Offline and never looked back. Until now.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:39 (ten years ago) link
Mines off line. What's different about that?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link
Nothing. For all I know it was you who gave me the idea.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:54 (ten years ago) link
PERHAPS.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:58 (ten years ago) link
I use this app every day and lost track of what the hell you people are talking about two dozen posts ago.
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:59 (ten years ago) link
It means its stored on yer comp/phone and you can play those tracks when not online
― Scooby Doom (۩), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
I defer to ilxor Jeff on these matters.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 02:19 (ten years ago) link
This is just semantics, make a playlist, call it "Starred tracks" and add songs that you want to itOh no, one more click
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
What even is offline listening for? Air travel?
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 03:08 (ten years ago) link
Subway travel. Not using cellular data when you are not on wifi.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link
ah ok, that's pretty useful then
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link
Yeah and it doesn't eat at your data.
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 06:34 (ten years ago) link
I have only ever starred tracks by accident.
― pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 07:15 (ten years ago) link
Got the update and it does indeed skip tracks much faster. Still doesn't show any artwork in offline mode, I suspect that won't change.
Starred tracks are pretty important to me because they are the only way for me to play my big master playlist on Roku.
Haven't yet found a way to dump a large amount of songs, like a whole playlist, into Your Music. How would I do this? I don't want to build it from scratch since I already have a favorites list.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link
dunno about iphone but the ipad interface hasn't really changed, all the "starred" stuff is unchanged.However, i clicked the 3rd button from the left on a track (window with a plus sign) and it obviously did *something* to the track or put it somewhere but hell if i know what happened.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
i wish album covers on desktop were as big as they are on mobile.
― brimstead, Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
They are smaller on my iPod touch than on my wife's iPhone
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 24 April 2014 01:02 (ten years ago) link
ah i meant ipad specifically, you get CD sized album covers on the ipad app. i keep forgetting that most people probably use spotify primarily on their phones.
― brimstead, Thursday, 24 April 2014 01:06 (ten years ago) link
If you click on one track in a playlist, you can select them all with command-A, and then drag them all at once into Your Music...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 24 April 2014 13:07 (ten years ago) link
hmm, I'll need to look into this. Part of my problem was that I didn't see Your Music as a playlist in the menu on my desktop. Maybe I need to first add something to it and then it will show up?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 24 April 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Ok this starred thing is bumming me out. Why take away a popular feature just because you think people should be using the product differently? Your fucking with people's workflow.
― Jeff, Thursday, 24 April 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link
I'd guess that the GUI and underlying code are closely intertwined. As spotify scales, they have to decide which features are sustainable. So it was probably more of a painful but necessary decision.
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
hard to understand why they'd get rid of stars, since that was one of the only things I missed when i switched to Rdio.
― ryan, Thursday, 24 April 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
they didn't really get rid of it. it's just one more click away.
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah i made a "Favorites" playlist on Rdio but goddamn that extra click...
― ryan, Thursday, 24 April 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
they really wanted to emphasize this new feature, i think.
"we can't have a plus sign AND a star"
― ugh (lukas), Thursday, 24 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Having copied the tracks from my starred playlist over to the new "Your Music" section I've gotta say that I really have no problem with this. The "Songs" playlist is identical to my starred playlist but I now have the second option of browsing a pretty-looking rundown of all the artists included. Not sure when exactly I'll take up that option, but it's kind of interesting for the acts where I have no idea what they look like. The albums view is worse than useless because of how much stuff there is, but given that the "Songs" playlist looks and functions exactly like the old starred playlist it's hard to get too annoyed by this. Just another facelift
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
Can you set that songs playlist to Offline?
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
Ah yeah, realising that I'm probably not a good bellwether re: is this a good idea or not and I probably should have read the complaints of others more carefully. I gave up on the iPhone app ages ago and have very little interest in making any of this stuff available offline. But upon closer inspection, no you can't and a cursory google reveals that people are fucking pissed about it. Eh, well I'm happy enough with the new set-up anyway
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
you can keep using the 'starred' playlist for offline. then drag the starred playlist to 'your songs' every once in awhile. it won't add the same song twice.
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
actually, the better flow for people who miss starring is to use the '+' as the star. then just go to your 'Songs' in 'Your Music', ctrl+A and drag to your starred playlist every once in awhile
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
but, yeah, that's really easy on the desktop. less easy to do if you use wifi on your phone to do all of this.
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
ok, this Your Music thing is confusing the hell out of me. On my desktop, I dragged all the songs from a playlist to the Songs list. I thought that would mean that the artists and albums from the Songs list would show up on the Artists and Albums lists, but I guess that's not how it works. To make it more confusing, adding those songs to the Songs list on my desktop did not also cause them to be added to the Songs list on my iPod.
So on my desktop, Artists and Albums are blank. On my iPod, all of my followed artists show up in Artists, but without any songs because I apparently haven't saved anything to Your Music.
WTF?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah, it does seem to be a bit broken
― crunchy righteous rojo rings (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
I too am confused.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 25 April 2014 12:46 (ten years ago) link
there seems to be a new wrinkle where if I search for a song and then try to drag it into a playlist, I can't do it. But if I click on the name of the album then locate the track in the album track list I can add it from there. Adds an annoying amount of time to playlist-making.
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:14 (ten years ago) link
I liked the idea of being able to browse my music by artist or album, but I guess Your Music can't really do this without jumping through lots of hoops, which is weird because that's a pretty basic function in most players.
The way I used to find a particular artist or album was to use the search bar on a playlist. This still kind of works except that now once your music is playing and you maximize the song graphics, it cancels out your search.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
Has someone made one of those Spotify pie charts showing how much of their budget goes to software engineers and how much to lawyers.
― Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 April 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
what's this dragging things from the desktop?? you people are nuts
― brimstead, Friday, 25 April 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
U gotta triple-click the icons
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:00 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27153101
Spotify has taken down a album of silence by American funk band Vulfpeck from its streaming site.
Their fourth record, Sleepify, is 10 tracks of silence which they encouraged fans to stream on repeat overnight.
The idea was aimed at generating money so that the band could go on tour and not charge admission fees.
On their Facebook page, they announced that they had been asked to remove the album because it broke Spotify's terms of content.
The band's keyboard player and drummer Jack Stratton says he asked his father for advice when he got the request.
"He said, 'Don't mess with these guys, they're huge.'
"But that's the whole narrative. We're just these little guys in their billion dollar scheme.
"So I get pumped up but then it's like, 'Don't mess with them.'"
Spotify has refused to comment.
The company recently said it pays an average of $0.007 per play, according to figures on its website Spotify Artists which is aimed specifically at musicians.
Explaining its business model, Spotify said it had paid more than $1bn (£612m) in royalties since its 2008 launch.
Vulfpeck's response to Spotify's removal of Sleepify also includes a three-track EP, posted on the streaming site, called Official Statement.
The first track, #Hurt, includes a message from Jack Stratton which says: "About 5 minutes ago I received an email from Spotify.
"The gist of it was that, while they enjoy Sleepify and thought it was funny and clever, it violated their terms of content.
"So I don't know what's going to happen with it - it's very uncertain at the moment.
"And in light of that uncertainly I want to take 30 seconds silence to ponder the uncertainty."
The message is then followed by, #Reflect, which is 31 seconds of silence and Parted Sea (Strong Pesach), which is an instrumental keyboard track.
― ۩, Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
10 tracks of silence which they encouraged fans their friends to stream on repeat overnight.
― brimstead, Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
"We're just the little guys trying to game the system."
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link
these guys got NPR coverage for this thing weeks ago
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
Not to mention ILX coverage!
― popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:56 (ten years ago) link
which makes it real imo
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 26 April 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link
Just play any album with the speakers off for fucksake
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 26 April 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
> these guys got NPR coverage for this thing weeks ago
That was for putting the album up, this is for Spotify issuing a takedown. Which counts as news imo
― koogs, Saturday, 26 April 2014 07:59 (ten years ago) link
i meant that the npr stories probably brought their scheme to spotify's attention
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 26 April 2014 10:49 (ten years ago) link
ha, that'd be ironic.
i can't believe spotify's 'terms of content' covered this.
> Spotify said it had paid more than $1bn (£612m) in royalties since its 2008 launch.
sounds impressive, but out of how much though?
― koogs, Saturday, 26 April 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link
http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/#how-we-pay-royalties-overview
There's lots more detail, but the short answer is that about 70% of Spotify revenue is used to pay for music, and 30% to fund running Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 26 April 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
ty glenn
― RSD-rolled (sleeve), Saturday, 26 April 2014 15:48 (ten years ago) link
One interesting bit of Spotify conscience/ego is that they (we, but this predates my arrival) aspire to dominate streaming music, in a future where streaming music is most of music, but totally understand that if that happens, it also means that they become primarily responsible for sustaining the music industry itself, so there's something to stream.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 26 April 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D07NsKvi_sU
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 April 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
wow there are a LOT of Velvet Underground bootlegs on Spotify
― RSD-rolled (sleeve), Saturday, 26 April 2014 23:54 (ten years ago) link
yeah I just noticed that yesterday!
― popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Sunday, 27 April 2014 00:11 (ten years ago) link
I think we have ilxor glenn macdonald to thank for that.
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:00 (ten years ago) link
Excellent. I will now be credited/blamed here for all changes to Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:33 (ten years ago) link
Thanks Glenn!
― popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
Good evening, thanks for coming out, we're the Velvet Underground, that's my brother Glenn at Spotifyon bass.
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
We saw the Eagles and "Rhinestone Cowboy" on your My Music. You ought to give other people a little chance, on Spotify anyway.
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
This is a song about love between man and streaming. It's called "I'm Waiting For My Music."
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link
So after adding a big playlist to Songs in Your Music, I returned to my desktop app to find the list completely empty. I re-added the same list again and just now returned to it to find it blank again.
I've found that my iPod doesn't display album artwork when offline. I thought that meant that Spotify doesn't load artwork to the iPod and just grabs it when online, but then I realized that the artwork shows up fine on my lock screen, just not in the app.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
I took your art. Sorry.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:50 (ten years ago) link
Damn you!
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:52 (ten years ago) link
glenn mcdonald couldn't be here tonight, he usually sings My Music way way better than I do.
― Choogle Plus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 April 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
these hyper-masculine advance auto parts ads are really annoying
― marcos, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
"SO YOU CAN GET BACK IN THE GARAGE" uh no thanks advance auto parts
Having annoying ads is Spotify's game plan though. Or at least it should be.
― popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Friday, 2 May 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
No, we don't want to annoy you with ads. Eventually we hope to be able to filter at least the ones with musical content to not play in musically inappropriate contexts. The non-musical ones are a harder problem, but we're aware that it's annoying, and we don't consider that a virtue...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
How the fuck anybody could stand listening to spotify with ads is beyond me.
― brimstead, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
'cos its a small price to pay for all the free music?
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 3 May 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link
There used to be this thing called commercial radio with ads...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 3 May 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
It would not surprise me if some executives were taking Spotify payola in exchange for having their companies buy ineffective, irritating Spotify ads to induce Spotify users to go premium. I mean, by far, the most annoying ones have been running the longest and most frequently. Advance Auto Parts, the Home Depot, that thing about a dude making dumb conversation at a meeting (can't even recall what they're advertising). I do wish Spotify would notice that all I listen to is weenie music from the 70s and accept that I am not going to go buy a power drill or get my nonexistent transmission checked anytime soon. Maybe I should scrap this New Country playlist I just started - seems like a recipe for auto parts.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
For eleven years, I worked at two radio stations - one right-wing/talk that morphed into complete sportstalk and one classic rock station that added only one song the whole time I was there: Santana's "Smooth".
Those Advanced AUTO. PARTS. spots faze me like the sound of air brakes bothers a trucker.
― pplains, Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
Some empirical analysis of how often people skip songs on Spotify: http://musicmachinery.com/2014/05/02/the-skip/
Didn't realize they had an analytics API for researchers.
― MikoMcha, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 06:42 (ten years ago) link
awesome link.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 07:54 (ten years ago) link
Am I missing something, or does the search drop-down now just get in the way of everything? Particularly the playlists I was hoping to drag my search results into? This is really poor UI.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Yes, the search is terrible and barely functional. Kind of funny in a way. The first thing you need to use to find music on there, and it takes about five goes to get it working. Brilliant.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
I have also gotten stuck on the search page with no search window lately and had to kill/restart the app to get it back (on ios)
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
the UI on this thing is completely the pits. hate it to death. but i still pay and use it every day.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
Want stars back.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
ya
― Spottie, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
So looking at the new win/mac apps, they have this plus/check thing that adds songs to "Your Music", which would be a decent substitute for the Starred list, but "Your Music" is already the best place to save Albums (instead of creating playlists for each album). So when you go to Songs under "Your Music," you see all the songs of all the albums you've saved as well. I want my songs to be like a singles list. I could do that if I removed all albums from "Your Music."
I also detest that it is called "Your Music." It's not my music, I'm just renting it until you go out of business.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
Also in Windows, lately, sometimes when you Start Radio, it defaults back to the last Radio you Started. Kind of a mess. Also I hate how every Radio you Start is now saved as some kind of station - clutter, clutter, clutter, especially since I start a lot of stations just by clicking on some random thing in a playlist, looking for new stuff of the same kind. I really don't need fifty different similar-sounding stations.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
idk how they manage to fuck this up more with every update
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
QFT. This is awesome.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:02 (ten years ago) link
Ha. Hate that term whenever it is used.
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link
"QFT" or "Your Music"?
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link
"Your [Cultural Object of Choice]"
There is always something vaguely patronizing about it, even when or maybe even especially when it is meant to be sympathetic.
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link
do u see?
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:20 (ten years ago) link
I made a playlist called "starred tracks" and it worked fine for me, but if you're starring shit left and right, the extra click might be too much hassle
― brimstead, Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
Did they finally do away with default Starred playlist altogether? I still have the Starred Playlist on my phone, and have gotten used to extra click.
(Xp)May be reading too much into it, but said location at its worst can convey an implication of the most naive sort of fandom delivered in the grating tone of the most cringeworthy cheer-up pep talk.
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
"I've been thinking about this, Mr. Hand. If you're here listening to it and I'm here listening to it, don't you think this is Our Music?"
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
implicit contract with "My Music", I now have the right to sell it as granted by Spotifylet's get this party started
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:50 (ten years ago) link
huh, this looks pretty fucked up:http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/youtube-sparks-indie-revolt-over-indefensible-terms/058532
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
hmm I'd upgrade that to "super fucked up", damn
― KrafTwerk (sleeve), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link
similar to the way amazon has bullied even huge publishers likes elsevier
― ogmor, Friday, 23 May 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
jfc that's crazy
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 May 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Here's another thing I miss about starring songs. If I want to add a song to the Starred playlist, I can't quickly look at it and see if it is already added. The visual marker in my playlist isn't there. So I end up with duplicates on my Starred playlist, which is UNACCEPTABLE.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 11:35 (ten years ago) link
I thought the starred list didn't allow duplicates
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
Important Notice to Our UsersMay 27th, 2014 15:00 by Oskar Stål, CTO, Spotify
We’ve become aware of some unauthorized access to our systems and internal company data and we wanted to let you know the steps we’re taking in response. As soon as we were aware of this issue we immediately launched an investigation. Information security and data protection are of great importance to us at Spotify and that is why I’m posting today.
Our evidence shows that only one Spotify user’s data has been accessed and this did not include any password, financial or payment information. We have contacted this one individual. Based on our findings, we are not aware of any increased risk to users as a result of this incident.
We take these matters very seriously and as a general precaution will be asking certain Spotify users to re-enter their username and password to log in over the coming days.
As an extra safety step, we are going to guide Android app users to upgrade over the next few days. If Spotify prompts you for an upgrade, please follow the instructions. As always, Spotify does not recommend installing Android applications from anywhere other than Google Play, Amazon Appstore or https://m.spotify.com/. At this time there is no action recommended for iOS and Windows Phone users.
Please note that offline playlists will have to be re-downloaded in the new version. We apologise for any inconvenience this causes, but hope you understand that this is a necessary precaution to safeguard the quality of our service and protect our users.
We have taken steps to strengthen our security systems in general and help protect you and your data – and we will continue to do so. We will be taking further actions in the coming days to increase security for our users.
― ۩, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
I thought the starred list didn't allow duplicates― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:50 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:50 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're right! My outrage was before testing. I still miss the quick visual reminder though.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
Here's a question... I am a weirdo and don't want any of my playlists to be visible on my profile. But I also have a bunch of ILXor or friends' playlists that I've subscribed to, and some of them appear to be shared playlists. If I choose "Make Secret" instead of "Make Public" on another ILXor's playlist, will that make it secret for them as well, or just for me?
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
ashamed ilxor
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
just for you you weirdo
― balls, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link
thx pal
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link
why don't you want ppl to see your playlists?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
i don't want ppl to see my playlists because my playlists are my personal fun time just for me
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Most of my playlists are just garbage piles full of stuff I want to check out. I'd rather my public playlists be somewhat curated.
Also what crut said.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
or you want to crib some jams off "Mordy's rolling hot traxxx 2014" w/o getting caught just sayin
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Not entirely incorrect
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
totes flattered if that's the case
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
I don't follow any Mordy playlists but I'm sure they're excellent.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
Another horribly designed thing: in order to view a list of other users you follow (like other ILXors who have interesting playlists), you have to, as far as I can tell, click on your user name in the upper right corner (in about a 9 point font), click "profile", and then click "following". Maybe I'm dumb, but I never would have figured that out without googling. This basic function is hidden down as deeply as advanced settings would be in the UIs of most applications.
― Dan I., Friday, 30 May 2014 03:57 (ten years ago) link
spotify has always totally sucked at social, it's kind of astounding. soundcloud basically has it down cold.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 May 2014 08:40 (ten years ago) link
I like the social feed in the windows app. Just glance at it and I can always see what JAYMC is listening to.
― Jeff, Friday, 30 May 2014 11:31 (ten years ago) link
when are they gonna update the iPad app? Can't play all the stuff I've moved to my music since that app is still stuck with the playlist system
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 1 June 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
i would like that as well
― markers, Sunday, 1 June 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
New iOS update very laggy. Here we go again.
― Jeff, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Another beer with "Your Music" is that you can't sort by artist. Hell if I know what an artist's album is called most of the time. You can go to artist, but they aren't broken up by album there.
― Jeff, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
beer, not beer. Beef. Beer is better than spotify.
― Jeff, Monday, 2 June 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
spotify is almost as good
― Sufjenga Cat Giffin (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 2 June 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
dear chik-fil-a your homophobe company cow ads stopped being funny close to eighteen years ago, please stop it, signed everybody
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 June 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
I foolishly downloaded the most recent iOS update and it went from working smoothly to completely hosed. It is back to very slow, laggy behavior and now crashes every 10-15 minutes. I don't get exactly what this new update was meant to achieve but it basically broke the app for me.
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Friday, 6 June 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
as the sort of rube to whom world cup playlists appeal, I was curious about the spotify one. there's been some effort put in & it's very long but it seems mostly terrible
― ogmor, Friday, 6 June 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
Hey! 20 questions, DRINK LADY.
― pplains, Friday, 6 June 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/business/media/free-music-at-least-while-it-lasts.html?ref=business&_r=1
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 June 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
If you're interested in how Spotify pays, it's described in detail here: http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/
Van Dyke Parks quotes a rate of .00065, but the average royalty rate is actually about $.007, which is 10x what he said. He also hypothesizes 100,000 streams in his example, and I think means that to represent a very successful song (since he's comparing it to some hypothetical past song that would have earned him a house). But this not a very high figure in Spotify terms. Pharrell's "Happy", which is a big current hit but hasn't been around very long, has 164,000,000 plays on Spotify, which at $.007/stream is over $1,000,000. The least popular tracks on Pharrell's album have more than 3,000,000 plays each, which is worth ~$21k each.
Charli XCX's "Boom Clap", to pick another current example less dramatic than "Happy", has 462k plays, which is worth $3234 so far, for a song that is just getting started.
And the huge, huge detail that Parks doesn't mention is that Spotify has (according to the most recent data I've seen) about 6% share of the US streaming music market. So if you're using Spotify royalties as a proxy for the whole streaming industry, you better multiply by 16. So how does $52k sound for Charli XCX's stray soundtrack single, which I imagine could have been written in a weekend? And that's before we talk about any non-streaming revenue sources, like merchandise, soundtrack placements in the first place, live shows, downloads and physical media, etc.
So while it's still definitely not trivial to make a living as a musician, especially if you only want to work 1 weekend a year, it's nowhere near as insanely bleak as Van Dyke Parks makes it sound.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:33 (ten years ago) link
Oh, but crucially, these are the amounts Spotify is paying for the music it is playing. That money, of course, usually goes to record labels. The % that goes from record label to artist is a different problem. But a preexisting problem that has nothing to do with Spotify...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
Also, just to be clear, I work for Spotify, but I have nothing to do with business matters and I'm quoting only public numbers here that anybody could lookup...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
Most musicians are not getting anywhere near the stream numbers you mentioned.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
I think glen's point is that Parks' estimate of 100,000 streams = a song that "would have provided me a house and a pool" 40 years ago is not a good estimate.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 9 June 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Complaining that you can't get a house and a pool for writing a song is NAGL.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
I am saying one can sympathize with songwriters without embracing Parks' over-the-top take.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/spotify_and_pandora_artist_payments_not_as_exploitative_as_they_re_made.html
Statutory publishing rates for streaming audio are currently low enough that the amount Pandora lays out for publishing amounts to only 4 percent of its annual revenue, or less than one-hundredth of a cent per stream, according to this editorial by two members of Congress. Pandora's hoping to lower that rate even further; earlier this summer, the members of Pink Floyd wrote an indignant USA Today opinion piece about Pandora's shady maneuvering. (It didn’t mention that the band had released its catalogue to Spotify a week or so earlier.)
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
What is the correct monetary value of one stream of one song?
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
The balance of royalties between performer (via labels) and writer (via publishing companies) is yet another topic, and again one that Spotify didn't cause. But Parks' example said that they wrote and recorded the song, so they'll be getting both sets of royalties.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
they should switch to a logarithmic payment model
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
They should progressively tax Spotify stream payments, get some of that Pink Floyd and Pharrell money over to this Father John Misty guy I keep listening to (though I'm about at the point where I'm gonna buy the record, in large part b/c the cover art is awesome and those Chik-Fil-A cows kinda throw off the mood).
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
Pandora pays radio royalty rates, which are much lower (IIRC) than Spotify's.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
For $10/month you can support the music industry AND not hear ads. Think of it like a tax, since you're in favor of those.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
we are in favor of taxing pink floyd and pharrell
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
(xp) AND download stuff to your phone. it's a really realy good deal -- as are most subscription services.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
there should be a $2 discount for buying a physical copy after listening to a track on spotify 1000 times
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
van dyke and ringo should make like vulfpeck and get all their fans and friends to stream their song in an endless loop while they sleep.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
I pay $30/month to Spotify since they don't offer a family plan. Not super-happy about it, since my kids don't use it that much (they are still young).
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
Also, Glenn - sorry to bug you about this, but since you're the unofficial ILX Spotify rep (believe me when I say that I know that it is a thankless job)...
I got an email from Next Big Sound saying that I could track the Spotify plays for my band, etc. some time last year. I signed up immediately, but ever since then, they claim that "The Spotify team is reviewing your request."
Do you know if this is even true? It's been a LONG time...
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, June 9, 2014 5:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Is this a better or worse deal for the artists than me buying their LPs? Serious question. I guess it depends how many times I listen to their songs, but I'm a little unclear - how does the $10/month support the music industry more than the non-pay version? Is it just that without the ads, I would play x more songs per hour and the artists would get those extra micropennies?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
buying the album has to be much better. especially if it's vinyl and won't eat into your digital plays
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 22:39 (ten years ago) link
which is better for the artist: the 50¢ i spent on their lp from a bargain bin or the 1x i listened to it on paid no-ads spotify?
― Mordy, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
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Hm, at 10 songs per album, you would The only way streaming would be better is if you listened to the album over 143 times (given .7c/play, and a ten dollar price for the CD).
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link
poor editing, sorry.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Is this a better or worse deal for the artists than me buying their LPs? Serious question
if you're directly comparing $10 spent on an LP vs. $10 spent on spotify, it's certainly better for the particular artist, and the particular label, whose LP you are buying. i'm not sure it's any better for artists in general or the business in general, though. either way you're spending $10, and either way roughly $7 is going to either one or more labels and publishers, who in turn are going to give a small piece of that pie to one or more artists ('m talking a wild guess at what retail markups are these days; i don't know what percentage stores actually keep). so it come down to a question of whether ariana grande gets that one dollar at the end of the chain, or if ariana grande and 1 million other artists split that one dollar at the end of the chain. in the latter case, ariana may only get .005 cents, but the other 99.995 cents is going to other artists, so you're still supporting musicians.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 9 June 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
Right, the general Spotify value-proposition to the music industry is that most people were not going to spend anywhere near $120/year on CDs and downloads, so this is a significant increase in industry revenue per person. ITunes Match, remember, basically staked the per-person cost of piracy at $25/year.
Charting the flow of individual dollars from individual listeners to individual artists is interesting, but much harder to understand holistically.
(schwantz, I don't know a thing about the Next Big Sound deal, but send me an email (glennm at Spotify) and I'll figure out where to route it to get a response)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link
now that's service!!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 08:04 (ten years ago) link
Email sent. Super-cool of you to offer.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
I can understand some artists fretting over low $, but on the other hand I use Spotify to play tonnes of stuff I've already bought as albums, just because of the ease of it, and I don''t imagine this is uncommon, so those guys are getting extra money they would never have got otherwise.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 12 June 2014 03:28 (ten years ago) link
Thanks, everybody. I think I'm gonna buy that record, and maybe even another one. Been forever.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 12 June 2014 06:52 (ten years ago) link
did anyone else notice that you can no longer sort your search results by artist, album, song title, track length, etc.? for now the only workaround is to enter spotify:search:yoursearchterm into the search field. hopefully the next update will restore full search functionality.
― macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link
Yes, I did notice that. The other aggravation is that non-Spotify iTunes files are no longer integrated into search results.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 07:46 (ten years ago) link
I don't know what the deal is with either of those changes, but I'll see if I can find out.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link
Waiting for ilxors users jeff and glenn macdonald to weigh in on the new functionality before I make my move
― Riot In #9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 July 2014 03:17 (ten years ago) link
I haven't noticed a real big difference with the iOS app. None of the functionality I used seems to be broken. Haven't used the desktop app in a few days.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 11:13 (ten years ago) link
The sorting turns out to be a temporary casualty of some internal reworking to prepare for bigger improvements...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 13:15 (ten years ago) link
UPDATE: I bought both the Father John Misty LP (which sounds fucking great even on my kinda shitty speakers) and the $4.99/mo Spotify subscription, which is currently available only as a secret Easter egg that you have to know the name of and aggressively search for, since it's not mentioned or offered at all if you just click for "Upgrade" or "My Account."
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
Anyway, I don't regret either purchase, my burgeoning classic rock Spotify playlist was just the thing for enjoying some burgers and brews in the back yard, despite the lost classic-rock-radio verisimilitude from the missing auto parts ads.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Hey Glenn -
I would LOVE to be able to create auto-updating playlists based on search terms. Like for example
label:"black butter" year:2014
Where every time a new track comes out that matches my search terms, the list gets updated.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Me too. And we are not the first to want these.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
I want that too
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
One thing I just realised I could do is run the app but also launch the in-browser version - found it easier to make playlists by dragging tracks from the browser window into the app window.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
a music subscription model where my playlists are autoupdated with anything I have wish list hunts for (especially with a human curating element) is absolutely something I would pay an additional premium for.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
I've been on about this before, but the single biggest obstacle to spotify usability for me (or rather, the main thing that keeps me from being able to switch to clouded listening as opposed to stored listening) is the "UMG Problem". Anything and everything which a UMG label released to the digital services before 2013 has that awful, blatant audio watermarking encoded into it which makes pianos, choirs, acoustic guitars and cymbals sound like they're underwater. Starting in early 2013 I noticed UMG labels started releasing certain new things to the digital domain without this defacement, but not everything; based on by-ear research I've done it seems that by June 2013 all new releases, reissues and recompilations were without watermarks. Which is great, but still leaves the vast majority of their holdings (everything they released to digital vendors before then) still sitting there in an unlistenable state.
So like my Spotify playlists and libraries can comprise everything I feel like listening to except Motown, Decca, ECM, Island, Geffen, Deutsche Gramm, Impulse, Arista, etc etc etc. Which is actually a giant slice of things I love. So I still just say fuck it and do almost all of my listening from my packed to the gills ipod.
I like to hope someday UMG will reup all their holdings without watermarks but unless that can be batch automated somehow I can't imagine them assigning someone on payroll to grind out such a monumental job.
Anyway this is not at all spotify's fault and obv affects UMG items on iTunes, eMusic, Amazon MP3 exactly the same way. But if it were ever fixed by UMG, spotify would be a dream.
― OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
Jon I really appreciate your continued efforts to publicize that issue FYI
― polyamanita (sleeve), Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
idk how feasible it is, but it would be amazing if you could search spotify by country of origin
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
I had never heard about the UMG thing, that totally sucks. Another reason to holds onto CDs.
― brimstead, Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
I'm confounded by how quiet Universal has managed to keep mainstream media outlets from complaining about their watermarking. Maybe people are just fatigued about the notion of bringing up another argument about audio mastering issues that only 20% of people are annoyed by, but that 20% should be at least half of the people on this board
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=universal%20watermarking&safe=off
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
Also, they might still be watermarking the newer things but if they are it is subtle enough to not bother me. I know the technology was originally pitched as an "inaudible" way to track the sources of audio files, maybe it actually lives up to that claim now, idk. I just don't want the backing vocals on "My Old School" to sound like they are singine through a table fan.
― OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 July 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
I remember "underwater" cymbals was always the giveaway that an mp3 was 128kbps or lower. Does their watermarking just consist of using really low quality compression?
― Dan I., Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
wait is the diff between the "4.99/mo" membership and the reg?
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
No it sounds a lot different than low bitrate compression. I know well the 128 bit cymbal sound and it is much more listenable than what the watermark does.
― OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
Basically, you'll hear a great sounding recording across most frequencies except certain frequencies/tone colors which sound like a 64 Kbps file.
― OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
New iOS app out today, has sorting and filtering in Your Music. Nice in the album view because you can now sort by artist instead of just by album title.
― Jeff, Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:15 AM (Yesterday)
thanks for the explanation. I figured it wouldn't be a permanent change.
― macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Thursday, 3 July 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
wait is the diff between the "4.99/mo" membership and the reg?― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:26 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:26 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
In the UK at least the main differences are offline playlists and high-bitrate streaming.
― dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Thursday, 3 July 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I think offlining stuff and/or getting it on other devices are the main thing. This user-made chart may be out of date, I don't know, but perhaps it gets at the gist: http://community.spotify.com/t5/Newcomers-and-Contribution/Subscription-Comparison-Chart/td-p/666916
I can see lots of good reasons to pay the extra money, but they didn't fit what I need out of the site, so I was glad to save the money and very glad my friend told me about this secret, speakeasy-style system just as I was about to enter my CC info for Premium.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 3 July 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
has sorting and filtering in Your Music
holy crap, gave up on this ever appearing on the mobile app a long time ago
― original bgm, Thursday, 3 July 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
There's a $4.99 student rate now too
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 4 July 2014 11:27 (ten years ago) link
Wait, really? Where's that? What's it offer?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 4 July 2014 13:21 (ten years ago) link
https://www.spotify.com/us/student/
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 4 July 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
Sweeeeeet!
― brimstead, Friday, 4 July 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link
Hmmm, this is interesting but strange - I passed the student eligibility test, but when I try to go back and upgrade to Premium it's still talking about $9.99 a month.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 4 July 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
what was your score?
― socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 6 July 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
i really love how there are two sizes for album art on the windows app: really small and extremely small
― brimstead, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
Does anyone know roughly what percentage of recorded music is on spotify? Like, how many albums have ever been released, and how many are on Spotify?
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
I went through a list of 1000 albums released in 1971 and around 500 were available on Spotify. So half.
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:28 (ten years ago) link
That must have involved some serious typing. Thanks!
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:54 (ten years ago) link
the amount of stuff getting put out through means other than a significant label now is so huge I bet that % is dropping
― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, my percentage is probably wildly off the mark, even for stuff from the early 70s, as most private press and indie stuff only shows up if it was reissued at some point.
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how many hrs of music youtube has by comparison
― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link
i bet you could listen to music on youtube for an entire day and never have to repeat a song
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
I went through a large bunch of my stuff. It came out around 70% on Spotify.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link
Certain licensing-sensitive genres like film scores are probably only about 10% present on spotify. But that's a genre where the majority of the music is out of print physically for the same reason.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
the vast majority of ALL recorded music is out of print and/or has never been translated digitally so I'd be shocked if it was above single digit percentage pointshttp://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub133/sum133.html
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
OTOH 85% of groovy Italian schlock soundtracks are represented so who gives a twat about crappy American soundtracks.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
1989 isn't available so spotify should just quit imo
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
it was a good run
Red wasn't on there for a full calendar year and we all survived.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
most of us anyway
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
I will wait until christmas when someone will def give me a starbucks gift card. I will then buy the album at starbucks with the gift card.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
Dumb 1989 is better
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
$9.99 auto-rip from amazon is tempting, but then they're going to send me a cd! why don't they just offer the album digitally for $9.99?! what a disaster for the environment.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
YouTube has the acetates of yer grandad farting in the bathroom, with all of the attendant good and evil about that...
I know this absolutely ACE garage rock album wasn't on Spotify in its entirety about six mod ago, so:
http://open.spotify.com/album/2rPBcCdWIUOo8iJ85Ks5Ed
Now you can hear We the People's "My Brother the Man"! And other fuzz punk gems!
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
is it true that apps are due to be killed?
not sure how i'm going to live without the blue note app :(
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 1 November 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
what apps do you mean?
― socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 2 November 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
I never really understood the apps but I usually just construct playlists like Albums Released in April of 1965
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Sunday, 2 November 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
Giggle play's interface is so ugly, I'm tempted to switch back to spotify on aesthetics alone.
― calstars, Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
so Taylor Swift pulled all of her albums, eh?
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
I understand what pulling all streaming could do for an artist/label, but I don't get the singling out of spotify. I am just going to listen to Taylor Swift's old albums on rdio now. But I will continue to use spotify for everything else.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
well it could obviously do something for her if she's in negotiations with them
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
dunno how effective an embargo is when there's plenty of other legal sources for what you're withholding
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
I guess I'm assuming that inciting spotify user outrage with spotify is the main play here. I don't know how much spotify makes off of plays from Swift's back catalog.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
her new album sold more in one week than any other album has sold all year. it's very possible this is about driving up catalog sales by not letting spotify placate those who lost some earlier album on a broken ipod or whatever. or maybe they're trying to squeeze an advance out spotify, like the ones given up to get catalogs from rhcp, metallica, etc. it is funny that it's still on beats and the rest, but those services have far fewer subscribers
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah not everyone is an streaming-service-savvy internet music nerd like we are, and a lot of those ppl wd probably spend $10 to hear her album if it wasnt on spotty
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link
what's funny to me is that i'd usually argue album artists would benefit from putting singles on spotify, which is what artists like coldplay, black keys and beyonce have done, using the service like a jukebox/radio rather than a replacement for album sales. but in taylor's case she doesn't even need spotify as a promotional device - there's no debate that people will pay for it.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
i mean, if you removed all but two-four songs from each album on spotify you'd still have an INSANE amount of music to play with, that's more than worth 5 dollars. only now record nerds and big fans would be forced to spend more than 5 dollars for the total package.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:33 (ten years ago) link
xpost:
Indeed, my ears always seem to be paying for it!
― Welcome To (Turrican), Monday, 3 November 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link
maybe taylor swift has an exclusive contract with beats?
― strychnine, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
that's definitely a potential outcome, esp considering taylor herself hasn't made any big political statement re all this, just big machine
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
good way to kill the competitors for the paymaster?
― strychnine, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
its so obvious why someone of her stature WOULD do this that it seems weird she'd ever consider putting her stuff on spotify at all
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
well as with metallica, rhcp, the john lennon estate, the advance might make it worth her while.
what's funny about any degree of backlash beyond "aw man my playlist went grey. rats." is i don't know why anyone would begrudge her maximizing her revenue from albums, as it's yet to be any worse than "you have to pay normal album price to get the album." it's just some people in 3 years decided they were entitled to all music ever for the monthly price of a happy meal.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
also while it's still profitable to stick to cds and mp3s, if streaming becomes the standard eventually you won't have fans with mp3/cd players.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
hold-outs like bob seger clearly control their rights contractually, i'm curious whether coldplay, the black keys, etc actually do or if their labels do the real weighing of the matter. like if peter buck was like "fuck spotify, pull rem albums off streaming" could warner bros be like "no, your used cds sell for a buck asshole, we'll take the pennies where we can?" with labels having equity in spotify they might be judicious about which acts get to be singles-only and which have their album sales sacrificed for the good of the eventual ipo.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
david byrne has said he can't legally remove talking heads albums but he would if he could
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
it's just some people in 330 years decided they were entitled tostuck paying $15-25 for all musican album
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
hope the apps don't go away
the Blue Note app is one of the most awesome thing's that's been done in digital distribution of music
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, November 3, 2014 3:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^this really isn't fair it's not as if they haven't been doing much lower price points on itunes, amazon, and google music. i've DL'd new releases for $2 or gotten old catalog stuff for $5 all the time
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I mean if swift says her albums will now cost 25 bucks then yes I would say that sucks
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 3, 2014 4:07 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
describe?
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/blue-note-records-spotify-app-streamlines-jazz-discovery-20120912
― koogs, Monday, 3 November 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
well that looks incredible.
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link
What struck me was how innovative Jimmy Smith was
Spotify learnt me this too
― example (crüt), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
im not sure how to install any of these apps?
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
oic never mind, took spotify a second to realize i had already downloaded the desktop client
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
genuine astonishment at this blue note app
― Raccoon Tanuki, Monday, 3 November 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link
yes but why do you hate it
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link
im genuinely bummed that it looks like this after being open for 10 minutes lalready
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/366364/Screenshots/yxav.png
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
Daniel Ek feels put upon.
https://news.spotify.com/us/2014/11/11/2-billion-and-counting/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link
he talks like the alternative to spotify is 100% piracy
― koogs, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
i don't understand why youtube isn't coming up in any of these discussions
― maura, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
tl;dr version
1. the music industry was corrupt long before we gave it 25% ownership of our company, don't blame us if you signed a shitty deal.2. most tech companies exploiting the music industry don't give it anything, our deal is WAY better than The Pirate Bay.3. if we don't sound good as a revenue replacement for music purchases, pretend we're just a revenue replacement for radio. That also replaces music purchases. Not that we do! I mean, we might when if we get to the projected user rate we use to suggest one can survive on the royalties we give. But we haven't yet! Also Pirate Bay.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Feel like that whole thing was a dog whistle for bigger artists to hit them up for some equity/advance before they go whining
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
It's difficult for me to feel I'm contributing to the evils of Spotify considering that I still buy upwards of 50 physical CDs a year
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
^^^ (buy vinyl for me)
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
*but
From what I have read a lot of the problem is really the deals the labels negotiate with Spotify (really, the big ones -- the smaller ones have less leverage to negotiate deals anyway), which, as I understand it, are basically designed to give the labels as large a cut and the artists as small a cut as possible (and guess what, the labels are also investors in Spotify, so they're getting paid on both ends). It has something to do with "up front" payments vs royalty payments and how they are split up, I think. I read this whole congressional testimony about it given by the Jagjaguwar dude and now I forget exactly what it said, but you can google that.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
I will not
(ignoring the correction in favor of the dumb joke)
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Yeah IMO in a world where the music industry was a union of profit-sharing labels and a matching union of musicians (hey I can dream), spotify would be no more "evil" than any other tech-startup designed for a buyout/ipo. It's the collusive deal with the majors that's exceptional. If one wanted to vote on music industry ethics with their dollar, it would make more sense to boycott major labels than streaming services.
That said, spotify could stand to be a fuckton less disingenuous.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
whoa has spotify just wildly increased their ads lately? i was just played 3 ads in a row after one song. played the next song and there was another 2 ads. one more song and another ad.
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
just pretend it's a sandwich and give it five bucks already
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
it's true
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
Pay $10/mo for the premium version, so worth it
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
When do I get my family plan option??
― Jeff, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
We actually pay for two subscriptions since we wind up using it at the same time a lot.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
okay they are literally playing 2 or 3 ads now after almost every song. this is reaching pandora levels imo, that shit became so dumb (though i never really liked pandora anyways)
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
has spotify just wildly increased their ads lately? i was just played 3 ads in a row after one song. played the next song and there was another 2 ads. one more song and another ad.
I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify pockets more money from free users than they do from subscribers.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Xpost we have two subscriptions too. A few weeks ago Spotify announced that family plans were coming so we'd only have to pay 15 a month for two.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
speaking of Youtube, has anyone else noticed that they started auto-generating music videos? as in, a shitty-looking picture of the album cover with the audio, and it says "Auto-generated by YouTube." sometimes it will be for the wrong band or just have a random clip of the song, sometimes full albums.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
i just hope this googleplay is consensual
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
i mean, i only noticed it because a bunch of videos for my music showed up the other day.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
and you didn't give streaming rights to google otherwise? i'd think with their desire to make google play a legit thing they wouldn't just be making illegal streams for funsies
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=495_732htoU
like this one has a link to google play at the bottom - i'd assume these videos are just an extension of whatever lets them have the song on google play
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
oh that makes sense then, thanks. i just wish they didn't look so lame (and inaccurate).
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah it would seem you might be a test case
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
can't find any "rejoice! we are now data dumping to increase the amount of streams we can report" articles so this is probably still in a sort of beta
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
they're all grouped under 'topics'...i just checked Rebirth Brass Band as an example, and there are a bunch of accurate auto-uploads, but also stuff like this mixed in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owP57wzBLKs&list=UUh1-bS8k_fS8c4lT0DX27fw
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:20 (ten years ago) link
i applaud taylor swift's decision, btw. the spotify guy countered by pointing out how much money taylor swift makes from his service/ it's several million dollars -- but not impressive in light of her enormous popularity. more important, for artists much less popular than taylor swift (99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of them, that is), they hardly earn anything at all from the service.
spotify's appeal basically seems to be "well, it's betting than people stealing your work" which is a pretty opportunistic and dubious business model IMO.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
If legal streaming went away tomorrow, would album sales see an uptick? I'd be surprised if that happened.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
every artist selling a considerable amount of albums over the last two years would seem to disagree with you
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
I'm just trying to figure out what would shift music/tv/movie consumption back to an ownership model rather than an access model.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
essential reading btw: http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/8993-the-cloud/
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
it's one thing to say that the industry would still be suffering a downturn in a youtubeless, spotifyless world. it's another to think that the ability to rent the music industry for less than the price of a cd has no effect on customer desire to buy a cd
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
nothing, probably?
that doesn't mean that spotify should be allowed to exploit the situation as they have.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:10 (ten years ago) link
(responding to johnny fever)
if swift's decision has done nothing more than bring a spotlight on the shitty royalty structure of spotify and other streaming services, it's been a useful decision. and by no means just for taylor swift.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
honestly if i was in an indie band - and could afford it - i'd probably just release vinyl and put some push tracks or "singles" out on streaming services. treat the internet as a radio. give 3-4 songs away, force people to pay for the album if they want more. beyonce did a similar thing with her album, except it was a bundle with video instead of vinyl, and it did great. sure someone will rip the vinyl for illegal downloads, but you weren't gonna get money from those people either way.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
I seem to remember in the early days of Spotify (in the US at least), many albums only had some of the songs available to stream and it was a surprise when you found an album that was 100% streamable. Now it's a surprise to find one that isn't.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
i can't use spotify b/c it crashes my shitty computer, but that's just me
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link
considering the fact that most indie bands have like 2 or 3 songs that generate a million plays, and then a huge dropoff to the album tracks, i don't see the point of having album tracks on there at all. like fugazi - if they only had three songs from each album, people curious about fugazi would burn through them quicker, and potentially be hungry for more. Instead, "Waiting Room" has a million plus plays, some other 13 songs stuff comes below it, and hardly anybody's checking out end hits.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link
I do believe streaming is the (near) future of music and all. But there is something highly annoying about the CEO of Spotify and Lefsetz par example wringing hands saying how Taylor Swift is "wrong"' about not putting her music on Spotify. As if a musician nowadays is obligated to do so. Swift (or her team of advisors and finance ppl probably) is in her right to keep her new album from streaming services imho. If the motive is that she earns more money that way because she shifts more physical copies of her album: good for her.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
i think they are ostensibly criticizing her characterization of spotify (and other streaming services) rather than questioning her "right" to withdraw her music. but it amounts to nearly the same argument.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't get it, most bands would be better off making a couple songs from an album available on spotify, the whole all-you-can-eat buffet structure is so devaluing
― anonanon, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
also did spotify respond to thom yorke etc by quoting their lyrics and making weird "radiohead come back" playlists? that shit is so gross
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:47 (ten years ago) link
You're probably right, but indeed it is nearly the same tbh. She questions Spotify's way of paying out to artists. And whether it's about Swift or some indie artist, this is a valid point. Spotify CEO says a Swift - top of the bill - would've made six million. Fair dues if true, but that's not what matters with Spotify. All artists, big and small, should earn what they deserve. Spotify should be more favorable to them than having to print and burn and fabricate a physical music product. It's about what the lesser gods get in return that truly matters. Thats the only way to wrap streaming into a sustainable business model. Without a fair compensation for them, the smaller ones, the system will not stand.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
Xp lol
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
I've never seen someone state what they think a streaming service should pay out for a single stream of a song. Maybe people have, I don't know. I tend to think Spotify's current pay structure is probably below where it needs to be, but I'm not sure by how much.
Was trying to figure out how much revenue has been generated from old catalogs on Spotify. You can see how many streams individual songs have now. Was looking at Motown hits the other day. "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" by itself has over six million plays. At the $0.007 rate, that's over $42,000 in revenue from just that one song.
And that's part of the thing with streaming. You get paid per play and not right up front. If you have a song people are still listening to fifty years later, that's fifty years of steady revenue.
Hopefully, at some point that revenue will be more than it is now. I'd imagine it will be. But I think there's a prevailing alarmist math going on along the lines of "This song has 10,000 plays and only generated $70 in revenue." 10,000 plays is the equivalent of 100 ten-track albums sold and played ten times each. There wasn't a lot of revenue generated previously by the sale of 100 albums.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link
If you have a song people are still listening to fifty years later, that's fifty years of steady revenue.
lolololol yeah spotify is going to be around for 50 years hahahahahaha
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
well the converse would be that if Spotify goes bust in two years' time people will need to "buy" the same music again somehow
― legit new threat wrt to a norman invasion (seandalai), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
Spotify can't even turn a profit, they have the same shitty "build a product, sell it, and then run away" business model as a million startups, they are not in the business of developing a sustainable model of generating income for musicians/performers, that is not their m.o.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
presumably for even less money
their MO, i imagine, is to get lots of money from a IPO and/or from selling to a bigger company.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:43 (ten years ago) link
The survival of Spotify as a company is not relevant to the point. It's the survival of the streaming model.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:43 (ten years ago) link
well the model doesn't turn a profit
bodes well!
can't turn a profit & developers of product can't make a living, yup true recipe for success right there
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
the only thing they can deliver is user data, which will collapse as soon as something cheaper/better is available, rinse and repeat until everybody is poor except for asshole CEOs
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:45 (ten years ago) link
you make music. you sign with a label to sell your music. unfortunately it's standard practice for them to only give you a small percent of the income, with the majority of expenses taken out of YOUR percent.
then that label decides to let a tech start-up rent your music to customers, in exchange for a small royalty themselves - you're now getting a percent of a percent. the label also gets equity in the start-up, in hopes of a windfall from an IPO/buyout, a circumstance you will not directly benefit from. the label may have also received an advance for their catalog - how much of that came back to you might not be so clear.
the question of "how big should the royalty your label receives be" is kind of beside the point.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
There wasn't a lot of revenue generated previously by the sale of 100 albums.
To keep the math simple (and for some artists, it's probably a pretty accurate number), let's say a band's net profit per album is $7. $7 x 100 is $700 vs. $70 from spotify. But that's assuming you can actually sell 100 albums.
People like Taylor Swift are going to make lots of money no matter what, more obscure acts are probably gonna continue to be screwed financially either way (compared to "the way things used to be")
― sarahell, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
It may be beside the point in terms of how labels are dealing with back catalogs and musician royalties. It's not beside the point in terms of where we go from here unless someone is interested in junking the whole thing and replacing it with ????
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:58 (ten years ago) link
let's say a band's net profit per album is $7. $7 x 100 is $700 vs. $70 from spotify.
Maybe DIY. If I'm not mistaken, the average major label royalty rate on a $16.98 CD used to be something like a dollar.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:03 (ten years ago) link
reading the thread, even just today's posts might wipe a way a few question marks
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:10 (ten years ago) link
streaming will be around in 50 years, and its premium subscribers shall be as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:13 (ten years ago) link
I'm sorry that you bought those mp3s y'all
never bought an mp3 in my life *flexes*
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link
I think I bought a John Vanderslice album on amazon cloud once
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link
man 2007 what a hoot
― timellison, Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:03 PM (9 minutes ago)
That would be either DIY or once everything's recouped on an indie deal (maybe old school, idk).
― sarahell, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
I only used 50 years because I was talking about a 50 year old song.
Seriously, though, "I Fought the Law" by the Bobby Fuller Four - 1.7 million plays, about $12,000 in revenue. It would be interesting to see what kind of money that song generated through record and CD (as part of an album) and download sales in the decades previously.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
Bobby fuller is dead
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:21 (ten years ago) link
1.7 million 45s + radio royalties = way more than 12k
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link
But go ahead and continue with your made up math thought experiment if it makes you feel better
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:23 (ten years ago) link
Its sort of weird how people refuse to take musicians' statements about their declining income at face value
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
They must all be liars and frauds with crooked accountants, living it up w their ivory backscratchers
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
xp here? nobody is doing that.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
"Prevailing alarmist math"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:31 (ten years ago) link
1.7 million 45s would not have been sold in the comparable time.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
Move the markers wherever you want your math is still 100% made up
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:35 (ten years ago) link
And radio royalties are still occurring in addition to Spotify revenue.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link
Like I wonder how many downloads of "Billie Jean" were sold (or would have been sold) in the comparable time it took to earn a half million dollars on Spotify.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
(Given that it's a 30 year old song, etc.)
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
― legit new threat wrt to a norman invasion (seandalai), Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's also probably worth noting how many people won't in fact do this. Say a new album comes out, you listen to it on Spotify, a lot; if it leaves Spotify and reappears in some other format where the artist makes more money, you may or may not actually buy the thing. Maybe you got sick of it, maybe you decided you just need the one hit, maybe you just forget while you're picking out other music, it was a 'summer album' and the moment's passed, whatever. You've gotten most of the listening out of it you were gonna do, while it was virtually free. Whereas in the 90s, as we all know, you wanted the song, you bought the CD. Sometimes it was worth it, sometimes it was a ripoff (biggest reason reviews seemed more relevant then), but the money got made upfront. I realize I'm kinda rehashing obvious things here.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:24 (ten years ago) link
I never want to 'buy' or 'own' digital music again. I'd imagine that is a popular feeling these days.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:39 (ten years ago) link
and man, that pitchfork article by Galaxie 500 guy that amateurist linked is incredible, at least for someone like me that really only knows the barest bones of this whole situation.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:39 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's a good article, but soul-crushing
i def. feel like if i'm gonna pay money for something i want a physical copy of it so i can't lose it when my HD inevitably crashes (and i know, i have stuff backed up but still)
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:42 (ten years ago) link
dumb of me not to do this until now but consider this a public service announcement:http://www.worldstart.com/spotify-%E2%80%93-back-up-those-playlists/unless anyone knows of an automated method of backup?
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:48 (ten years ago) link
because when spotify DOES eventually ghost, I'd like a record of my playlists.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:49 (ten years ago) link
You know, I could use the same math to argue that Spotify payments are really problematic. If the average major label album earned artists around a dollar in royalties and you take that same average that I was suggesting - a ten track album played on the average of ten times total after the album is purchased - artists were making about a penny per song play. Now, there's about 7/10 of a penny being generated total, i.e., the total amount that's going to the label.
From this, I think there are two things that need to happen. Labels need to pay artists fairly out of that kitty (especially given that their overhead is much lower without manufacturing and distribution costs). And the amount paid in total by streaming services needs to go up. By how much, I don't know - that was the question I was interested in answering.
― timellison, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 05:51 (ten years ago) link
― schwantz, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
The math is easy = if the 800 million people that are using itunes used spotify instead, spoitfy would be raking in $200 billion a year. That's about $199 billion more per year than they're getting now. That's MORE than PLENTY for even NICHE indie acts with like barely any plays to potentially make a living of spotify.
Spotify is the future, its not even a debate anymore. They will restructure their payments as more money comes in. I'm sure it will be a more dynamic system depending on your plays, rather than a flat rate for all as now. The format is fantastic for artists, in terms of open discovery and reaching fans reliably. Most premium Spotify users don't listen to music any other way.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
hahahah
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
easy peasy
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
http://bupner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/things-to-do-with-raccoons.gif
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thefunniestanimalscom.com/medias/album/vzcazrr.gif
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.raccoonforks.com/
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Well, I scrobble to last.fm for precisely that reason - so I always have a record of what I played. I lost my last Spotify account because I was evicted suddenly & never got my laptop back. But all of the obscure electronica I was discovering was thankfully logged on last.fm!
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
raccoon forks looks like a good company
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
by marc ribot:
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/11/06/is-streaming-good-for-musicians/if-streaming-is-the-future-you-can-kiss-jazz-and-other-genres-goodbye
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
In its first year of streaming on Spotify, my band Ceramic Dog earned 112.80 euros in Europe and $47.12 in the United States from our album "Your Turn." The album cost over $15,000 to make. By contrast, CD sales on earlier albums netted us between $4,000 and $9,000.
hey look Tim here's some real math
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
(not the most well-reasoned contribution, i guess, but still good to hear from an actual working musician)
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
it sounds like they probably shouldn't have been making albums even before spotify
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
I am comfortable with kissing new jazz music goodbye
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
that's a shitty thing to say but i guess he asked for it
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
I am comfortable with kissing lots of music I don't listen to goodbye too. Seems like a dick move to actively participate in the prevention of other people listening to it though.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
he did basically say it himself in the next sentence
"Now, maybe the market knows best, and the world is in fact better off without artists like me."
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
I mean http://open.spotify.com/track/0ll1q3aoxhA7n4hydmhvof
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
guys, knock nu-jazz all you want, but Marc Ribot is a fantastic guitarist and has probably played on albums even and your cold hearts cherish
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
*even you
it sucks that the internet killed journalism, it sucks that the internet killed the music industry, fewer people will be working in those industries, that sucks.
spotify is not really the bad guy here, they just happen to be the ones doing the price discovery. I am sure they would love to charge $50 a month.
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
In its first year of streaming on Spotify, my band Ceramic Dog earned 112.80 euros in Europe and $47.12 in the United States from our album "Your Turn." The album cost over $15,000 to make. By contrast, CD sales on earlier albums netted us between $4,000 and $9,000.hey look Tim here's some real math― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:18 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:18 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol yes that is real math, and it's red either way you add it up.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
I think by "netted" he means they made that figure on top of recouping the costs for cd making/distro.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Ceramic Dog's Your Turn on Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/artist/2EKKgp12AZDmsFbMU59X0C
Spotify royalties explained: http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/
If you only put one album on Spotify, and evasively switch your artist name from "Marc Ribot's Ceramic Dog" to "Ceramic Dog", and don't even link to the Spotify album from your own website, and its most-played track has only 3500 streams, and the stream-counts for its other 12 tracks basically decline as a function of track-position, revealing that more than half of the people who started your album didn't make it to side two, I think it's fair to say that you aren't really making the most of your opportunity.
But Ribot's report of his revenue from this tiny amount of Spotify activity does agree with the approximations in Spotify Explained, so his problem has nothing to do with rates or disingenuousness or deception, it's that basically nobody is listening to this record on Spotify. It's definitely true that Spotify doesn't make it possible for you to make a living from music that nobody knows about or plays.
Which doesn't prove that streaming won't kill jazz, but his one anecdotal data-example doesn't support anything else he says there, and it's the only piece of evidence he offers.
("Martha, My Dear", a Madeleine Peyroux song that Ribot played on, has 488,761 plays. "Anadamastor", a Dead Combo song Ribot played on, has 72,829 plays. Your Turn has more like 21,000 total plays from all 13 songs put together.)
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
I have no interest in Marc Ribot solo albums but moodles is right he is a great guitarist who deserves to make a living at it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
what does 'deserves' mean here
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
[Should disclaim: I work at Spotify, but I don't have anything to do with payment issues, and I'm referring solely to the publicly-visible stream-counts shown in Spotify itself.]
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
idk give him a gov't stipend or something
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
that would make a better article
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
I'm all for gov't arts funding yup let's have it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
that would be a result of his deserving and not what constitutes deserving
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
obv the only future of music is a patronage model which means amanda palmer sadly otm
― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
Once an artist dies, all their music should get streamed free for all eternity
― brimstead, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
Is there a way to remove downloaded music from your device and reclaim storage space?
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
One aspect of the streaming revenue issue I haven't seen discussed a lot is how the old pre-MP3 music business model based on the constraints of physical media relied on demanding the full purchase price for an album before allowing the listener the privilege of even accessing most of what they'd bought to determine whether what they'd already paid for was actually worth owning.
I probably just resented the many crappy $18 CDs I bought from Sam Goody as a dumb kid, but I bet I was far from alone in that feeling. And if reliance on consumer ignorance and dissatisfaction is key to propping up the whole industry, or at least segments of it, idk is that really worth saving
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
old model was bad, new model is worse
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm actually curious about this re: how economics of albums worked in "ye olden days" - did an artist expect to make their full living off the album, or was it supposed to make some money for them, but primarily be something around which you could organize other things off which they made the real bucks? (Touring? T-shirts? Op-eds?) Sincere questions here, I really don't know how this worked/works. And obviously this would vary a lot between artists and their markets - I assume Pearl Jam made more off CD sales (proportional to their larger pie) than the Dismemberment Plan.
Dunno if telling Ceramic Dog that he should have somehow used Spotify better really gets at the question, though - I mean, how many more plays do we think he would have gotten if he'd linked to Spotify from his website a lot, or tweeted about it? How many more pennies would that translate to? Should he have ended his shows by saying "Hey, there's a merch table at the back, we have CDs - - - but don't forget, you can stream it on Spotify!"? Clearly that would be a worse financial move for him, so, more generally: why exactly should he try to drive additional traffic to his Spotify if the marginal increase in plays is worth eight to ten cents upfront and maybe a whole lot of lost revenue? It seems to me the only way streaming can actually be good for the artist is if the streaming acts as a kind of loss-leading front-end advertisement for something else you do, like selling people the physical album or linking them to your donation page.
As for saying that people didn't make it to side two, that just seems like a low zing to me, like "want to make a living on the music of yours that's widely-listened-to? Well, better make sure all your music is just as popular - it could mean upwards of twenty to sixty cents more in your pocket!" This is not a standard to which people were held in the physical-album era: if you could hook people with some big hits and get enough buzz going that the rest of the album wasn't just complete dross, you could make money. And yeah, "side two" - I don't find it surprising in stream-land that people are more likely to click away to something else than if they just paid $15 for the CD. How typical are those kinds of dropoffs in album-listening?
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
(most of that is to glenn, not iatee)
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
I read an interview with Neil Peart of Rush a while back where he explained how their business model has changed completely over time. Back in the 70s and 80s, they made most of their money off of record sales and radio. Touring was something you did to promote the album and get more sales. Nowadays they don't make any money off of their albums and consider recording a luxury or indulgence and all of their money is made off of touring and merchandise.
Now that's just for a hugely popular band. If you are more at the indie level, I can only imagine it is that much more difficult all around.
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
Should disclaim: I work at Spotify
get thee behind me, Satan!
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
there /should/ be much more public arts funding but a world where james inhofe chairs the senate environment committee is not a world where venues get many public dollars to put on avant-jazz concerts.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
many xps,
it's more like a zero sum game that musicians used to do pretty well in, and not 100% fairly, but where leverage is now overly lopsided in the consumer's favor
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
I hear Inhofe is a huge Don Cherry fan fwiw
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
there /should/ be much more public arts funding but a world where james inhofe chairs the senate environment committee is not a world where venues get many public dollars to put on avant-jazz concerts.― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:18 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:18 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
just think of all the barber shop quartets that'd get funding from a republican chair
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
nah, those barbershop quartets better pull themselves up by their bright-red bootstraps or they'll be singing on the street.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
rockapella has a fresh baritone/tenor http://www.rockapella.com/
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
that barbershop quartet is called Straight No Chaser btw (xp)
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
I think the interesting thing about the stream-count decline over the course of the Ceramic Dog album is that it suggests that many or even most of those people weren't pre-existing Ceramic Dog fans (I assume people who already knew and liked Ceramic Dog would tend to listen to the whole album). Pretty sure selling CDs mainly reaches (and extracts money from) existing fans, rather than making new ones. So this is an interestingly different dynamic.
And no, you're not under any obligation to "invest" in your Spotify presence. But the question of whether Spotify pays you fairly for people listening to your music is a very different one from whether Spotify is magically finding you enough new fans despite your complete lack of involvement and public disdain.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
well this is cute
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
lol at ignoring 90% of what people say on this thread so you can push the standard spotify pr "whatever else is going in the music industry that owns 25% of us, a royalty rate is a royalty rate, fair and true" statement in rebuttal to a link
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:59 (ten years ago) link
"sorry for interrupting, i just want to debate with the person who can't respond for a second"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
couple xposts, didn't you used to become a fan of an artist in part by buying their CDs? And thus getting to know their songs besides the single you heard on the reader? I'm not sure how much we can really glean from the Ceramic Dog streams but assuming that they mean that Spotify has turned more people onto Ceramic Dog seems a little spurious. It could also be the established Ceramic Dog fans checking out the album and not being that into it. In either scenario dude is making a lot less than he would have otherwise, right? Not going to touch the "complete lack of involvement and public disdain" line, it pisses me off but I feel like it's a side-line to the real discussion.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
let's not pretend there is any real discussion to be had with an employee of the company in question. who would probably be fired if he posted anything in violation of the party line.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
yeah! glenn is just a cog in the big spotify machine! seriously this shit is so tired.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
boo to any post that begins "let's not pretend..."
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
so condescending
lol Sufjan do you not think corporations monitor what their employees post on the internet about their employers
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:32 (ten years ago) link
to be clear i'm totally sympathetic with someone not wanting to engage with a bunch of nerds dealing with conspiracy theories and half-truths, etc. i use spotify like a fiend, sure not throwing stones at someone for working for them. I just think its funny to then show up to defend your company from the latest "all i know if i used to get this much, now i get that much" blog post, ignoring all the people who can actually respond. like, i'd just avoid the thread entirely in that case.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link
"all i know is i used to...", rather
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
with all respect to a few math enthusiasts, i'd say more criticism of spotify have moved well past "do they pay enough"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:36 (ten years ago) link
most criticism of spotify has moved well past...
gonna set up an "ilx typo" jar
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
David Lowery weighs in, again:
http://thetrichordist.com/2014/11/11/thank-you-for-appointing-me-ceo-of-spotify-now-a-strategic-plan-to-fix-the-service/
― sleeve, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
glenn gets paid .01 each time someone reads his spotify apologia
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link
i think the going rate is more like .00000000015
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
but it adds up after 50 years
he says Youtube is the boogeyman but does their new streaming service mean more money going toward artists? I thought they already were above board by paying out on basis of content ID system
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
Lowery that is
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah that criticism seems years out of date
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think that this only limits 'real discussion' if the only potential good you get out of 'real discussion' is the other party saying 'yes, you are right. I was wrong. you are the winner of this discussion.'
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
this is really disingenuous and beneath you.
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
lol Sufjan salespeople must love you
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
I am as kind to salespeople as I am to most human beings it's true.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
i would almost understand spotify having a chip on their shoulder for being accused of victimizing spoiled artists while major labels just whistle away. if they hadn't made that deal with the devil for catalog, they'd just be a sweet innocent tech start-up with a dream of rescuing the music industry from piracy...that went splat fast because no one thought it was worth it. unfortunately they made that deal, so ek & co, can just deal with it
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
There was a story a couple months ago that YouTube was supposedly railroading artists and smaller labels into accepting bad terms for its streaming service or else threatening to block advertising on their vids on its free service. Don't know what came of that.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
YouTube Music Key is a pretty lame name
― anonanon, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 23:46 (ten years ago) link
here's some real math
There is a number that exists, in the real world. The average number of song plays, for the life of the artifact, for every LP that was sold at retail price and for every CD that was sold at retail price. I am curious as to what that number was.
That is all.
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
there is no way to accurately ascertain that number
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 November 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link
That's true, but my feeling is that some sort of common sense estimate is illustrative to the issue.
If anything, I think putting the marker at 100 is, at the least, fair. Is it fair to the consumer to suggest that a retail price LP or CD would, on average, amount to fewer than 100 song plays over the artifact's life span?
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 00:43 (ten years ago) link
I'm not obliged to respond to every comment in a thread in order to justify responding to one.
Ribot's piece was interesting, and had actual numbers that could be checked. So I checked them. Anybody could have checked them, I didn't use any special Spotify powers, but as far as I'm aware, nobody else did. They revealed that the Spotify "PR" was actually accurate on the subject of rates, which seems to me like a bit of pertinent information.
(Also, I've been on ILX a lot longer than I've been employed by Spotify, so you could probably give me a little more credit. Also, Ribot is welcome to come join this discussion, although I assume in a spirit of fairness some of you will automatically discredit everything he says and try to make him feel unwelcome.)
Determining how many times a song on an old LP or CD would have been played is hard, as for comparison purposes may not actually tell us much, because that number existed in a pretty different universe of choice. Which is partly why industry discussions sometimes opt to focus on total spending per person, which is maybe less abstract. Back when Apple launched iTunes Match, I think somebody contended that its $25 price came about because the major labels believed that was the average per-person spending on music in a year. I don't know if that was true, or whether it was accurate. In some more-recent discussions it's seemed like somebody thinks the figure might be more like $30. So if either of those is close, then a Spotify premium subscriber paying $120/year is definitely an industry positive.
It's a very interesting question, though, whether that $120 gets distributed differently than the old $30. Is the discrepancy between Marc Ribot's potential Spotify earnings and Taylor Swift's bigger or smaller than it would have been in 1989 or 2004? I don't know the answer, and am not even sure the question is phrased correctly.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
i would like to invite matt damon to this discussion as well, though i promise no fairness and will likely treat mr. damon better than any of you
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link
(also, when you leap into a conversation about your employer to respond to a link to a relatively simple complaint, get called out for ignoring the larger conversation/issue, then announce you're not "obliged to respond" before implying that we're making you feel unwelcome, i'd say credit is what you're using up)
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:22 (ten years ago) link
Determining how many times a song on an old LP or CD would have been played is hard, as for comparison purposes may not actually tell us much, because that number existed in a pretty different universe of choice.
I tend to think this is waving the problem away a little bit. I'm not sure how the difference in the "universe of choice" matters. As I said, there is a number that exists for how many song plays was averaged for every retail priced CD that was sold in the CD era. If I estimate that at a number that everyone agrees is fair to the consumer, and Spotify's payment structure does not match up to that, I think that's a problem area.
That said, I don't think it's black and white. I think the fact that catalog songs may actually earn more money (possibly considerably more money) from streaming than from reissues and compilations and iTunes downloads, as I was suggesting yesterday might actually by happening, is interesting. Perhaps that's what you mean by the "different universe of choice."
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link
And, I don't know, to me the $25-30 per person amount feels more abstract. I'm not sure why I should figure into the equation all the people who spent nothing at all on music in the LP or CD era.
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
You're right, I should respond to the actual subject of the thread.
Yes, I have heard of Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link
what is the larger conversation/issue you need addressed? glenn's post was not at all 'leaping in'. people were posting about that link.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
it's been said, but the debate over how big a royalty spotify should give, to which spotify happily responds that it gives the overwhelming majority to "rights holders" ignores a) the lack of transparency on how the money is partitioned to the various rights holders, b) who the rights holders are, c) the relationship of spotify to the rights holders and d) whether the money is given to the rights holders in a manner that allows them to leave out the content creators. to ignore the collusion with the majors through advances and equity renders the remaining discussion purely theoretical.
this has been discussed considerably, and for an employee of the company in question to show up in the midst of this to debate with a blog post, and then huff when people call out the irony shows the disingenuous, selective aggrievement that the ceo drops on the regular.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link
first sentence should say "the overwhelming majority of the revenue"
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:50 (ten years ago) link
Thinking about it some more, I guess the different universe of choice is that any subscriber can play any song at any time and this is a far larger pool of potential listeners than the people who could play the song previously (which would consist only of people who bought the album or single and their little brother). So, the argument then would be that Spotify pays less than the old model because of the greater convenience by which a larger pool of people can and will play songs.
There is a logic to that but I have no idea where that leads someone in determining what the actual numbers should be.
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:54 (ten years ago) link
An employee of a major label with info about their part in this would be a good addition to this discussion, I agree.
I'm not involved in business discussions with labels, and presumably couldn't tell you much if I were. But obviously there is a long history there that predates streaming.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
i can't imagine enough ppl are listening to hozier's "take me to church" on spotify to make it worth all these primetime commercials i keep seeing for it
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link
I get confused when we talk about comparing dollars per individual track stream, versus dollars per listen to tracks on a CD you bought. I'm not sure why they should be compared really, when the topic of the conversation is whether the system makes it economically viable to be a recording artist. If you bought a CD, some portion of that money went to the label and some portion went to the artist, and somehow (in combination with touring and t-shirts and guest appearances in CD-ROM video games etc.) it was enough that many artists could stay in business, even artists who weren't very good, and even indie acts. And that transaction, which on the evidence worked out better for the bands than the streaming universe of today does, was effectively complete when the CD was bought. The band got whatever their cut was, and the consumer got the CD. It doesn't matter whether the consumer listened to it once or a million bajillion times, or threw it out the car window on the way home.
The only scenarios (in my mind) where this starts to look less than equitable are
(a) where the royalty structure was a bullshit ripoff for the band, which obviously happened a lot and shouldn't be discounted(b) where the CD sucks and it wasn't worth it - not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, and that was what reviews and stuff were for,
and (c) where, and this I think is what timellison is hypothesizing a few posts up, the person listens to the CD too many times, and the artist would have actually made more money on streaming. Okay sure, but how often would this ever possibly happen, given that .0007 number? Even Taylor Swift, who is a huge star with a grab-bag's worth of catalog gold, has determined that this does not work for her. The idea also casts artists as curiously risk-taking: the chance of scoring a bunch of "Ain't Too Proud to Begs" is, er, sort of low, right? Like basically the odds of "will I be as successful as Taylor Swift"? And if you go for that, in the meantime you say goodbye to all those upfront sales of a whole album of material. I'm probably just out of my depth here though.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
If the average royalty rate for a major label $16.98 CD was a dollar, it's easy to calculate how many song streams on Spotify generate more than that. The answer is that you would need at least 143 song streams to generate more than a dollar in revenue.
But that's a dollar in revenue that goes to the label. If the label pays the artist 20% of what they get from Spotify, then an artist now needs at least 715 streams to make the same dollar they earned from the sale of one CD.
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
I hate to interrupt, and I for one think these are great posts, but the one thing performance-wise that irritates me - since you mentioned "Take Me to Church"...I hate being interrupted during a session of obscure minimal techno with, like, two Bruno Mars songs that stylistically have nothing to do with what I like. Plus screamy pop tracks when I'm in the middle of some cool disco.
This seems relatively new behavior, it seems crappy and anti-music fan. We all heard that radio crap they keep pushing. Electronic selections are terrible.
Also, I have to laugh, half the damn ads are for Spotify, what they can't sell enough ads?
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, 13 November 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
Well, less-terrible algorithmic suggestions actually are in my sphere! Tell me more. We're you listening to a playlist or artist radio or what? And which one, and what bad tracks came on? And were you on mobile or desktop, free or premium?
Or just take notes the next time it happens. Post here or email me (glennm at spotify), whichever you prefer.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:15 (ten years ago) link
The one big negative about going to the premium account, aside from the fact that there is now no apparent way to view other account types or access the student discount: I feel totally cut off from any exciting developments in the field of advanced auto parts.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:19 (ten years ago) link
As I said, there is a number that exists for how many song plays was averaged for every retail priced CD that was sold in the CD era. If I estimate that at a number that everyone agrees is fair to the consumer, and Spotify's payment structure does not match up to that, I think that's a problem area.
spotify's payment structure can't be based on that, though. it has to be based on how much money spotify actually has. which is an entirely different question.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:37 (ten years ago) link
it seems odd to me that people like taylor swift, who is part of the universal music distribution system, are directing all of their anger at spotify rather than at the major music distributors, like universal music, that negotiated the exact rates that spotify is now paying her. and universal had all the leverage in the world when these negotiations happened. spotify wouldn't have lasted a week without their content.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:40 (ten years ago) link
Did she actually point the finger at spotify's royalty rates? I thought it was about the lack of a premium tier (meaning albums could only be heard by paying customers), rewarding folks willing to pay full price, etc.
Any major label artist making a "spotify has so much, we have so little" claim is ignoring the middle man, that's for sure.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:53 (ten years ago) link
I think the key difference between CD plays and Spotify plays is that you got no CD plays from all the people who didn't buy your CD. If the average music buyer bought 2 CDs a year, you had only those 2 chances to hit the $1 jackpot. Spotify is trying to both increase the total amount of prize money and distribute it more broadly. I think almost by definition this has to shift some money from the most popular artists to the next tier. (Especially if the occasional super-popular artist magnanimously removes her music from Spotify to give other artists a chance.)
But it also seems quite possible to me that there are artists who disproportionately appeal to the sort of people who used to buy 20 or 50 CDs a year, not 2, and if those people are now only spending $120, the bands they stream are getting less from them. But here too the idea, at least, is that you can reach the larger audience of people who listen to your kind of thing. But that's bound to work out better for some artists than others. And it definitely seems like it has the potential to penalize artists that people don't listen to so often or so repeatedly.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 04:56 (ten years ago) link
the head of her label, scott borchetta, brought up the premium tier thing specifically. taylor has pointed several fingers, including at how much money spotify pays.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 13 November 2014 05:35 (ten years ago) link
I honestly do not give a shit whether Spotify royalty rates reduce the number of millions of dollars a year Taylor Swift makes.
The key thing for me is this (from the Ribot piece)
Indie artists may only constitute 38 percent of market share, but they represent well over 90 percent of working musicians, and a great majority of works released.
And this isn't Spotify's fault. Other streaming services pay similarly. It's a step up from not getting paid at all for people listening to music online/downloading/etc. Ideally, musicians would get paid more by Spotify and these services, but I feel like the harsh truth is at this point, if something isn't easily accessible online for free, people will just listen to something else. And to Spotify's credit, they actually pay based on what people actually listen to as opposed to ASCAP where they use questionable formulas to distribute money collected from royalty payers.
― sarahell, Thursday, 13 November 2014 11:34 (ten years ago) link
I'm actually quite surprised that Spotify isn't offering premium-only content at this stage, especially for something as obviously massive as the Taylor album.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 13 November 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link
Glenn, I was listening to electronic comps - not radio. Also electronic albums. I use the free service. It would be nice to have electronic or dance instead of pop tracks I've already heard.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, 13 November 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
when you have a fairly hefty % of the 20th century's recorded music available, paying extra for a few more albums seems like a bad decision. there are actually very few artists w/ much leverage for that reason, oh no the eagles are gone I guess I will listen to one million other things.
like, the single most successful musician in america currently has some leverage but not even that much.
― iatee, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
like nobody wants to have the discussion 'how much recorded music should be produced?' and it sounds kinda awful to say 'there are probably too many artists'.
if the amount that should be made is always going to be dependent on market forces, then the answer should probably be 'less'.
― iatee, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
Earlier this week, Spotify CEO Daniel Ek suggested in a lengthy response that Swift would’ve been on track to earn $6 million a year from the streaming provider. Now both sides are acknowledging Swift’s actual Spotify earnings have been much less than that, which means the other 99.999 percent of recording acts are earning much, much less.
In Taylor Swift-Spotify Debate, Sparks Fly Over Numbers
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
considering the number fudging coming from both sides of the debate, i wish people would stop jerking off trying to make their own calculations off the scraps provided and accept a few key concepts - renting your music out gets you less than selling it, renting your music gets you more than nothing, etc - so we could stop pretending there's some magic number where everyone gets a fair share. The game is RIGGED. And while it was rigged before spotify showed up, spotify accepted deals that mean even if your label is a profit-sharing bohemian dream, the service itself is set to benefit the major labels through your involvement. Superchunk putting all their album on spotify means a) only patricians and album art addicts need buy them and b) the service gets a tiny bit closer to having the monopoly on the market it needs to reach that IPO/buyout stage where they and the major labels reap a payday unrelated to royalties.
If your response to this is "well sure who knows what's going on with the numbers but in a dream world where streaming is the only option let's see a CD gets say 8 spins..." you need to accept that Spotify, through the nature of the compromises it made to get the major label catalog, is NOT that dream world. "How would artists survive through streaming" and "how would artists survive through spotify" are not the same things.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
the irony of the "yes but piracy" argument is that the ceos of spotify and bittorrent CAME from the piracy-driven tech world. They're like mobsters trying to go legit. They know the companies they came up through could be decimated through lawsuits and other legal actions, so they're trying to make a deal with multinationals where both get rich and nobody goes to jail. But the idea that these guys are devoted to making sure artists can survive is absurd considering they came a world where artists' rights meant even less.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
accept a few key concepts - renting your music out gets you less than selling it
As I've said, I'm not at all sure that that's true of the situation right now with catalog items.
― timellison, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
i've accepted that
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
and my idea of treating streaming like a jukebox rather than a surrogate for album sales actually acknowledges the hypothetical that the "rights holders" of a temptations hit might get more from leaving it on spotify than taking it off.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
but the idea that fugazi gets more from putting the whole of end hits on spotify than they would from just putting up three tracks and forcing fans to buy the rest is pretty nuts
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
Thread Assessment Division: ah, thanks. The extra tracks you get on the free service are due for some improvement. If you feel like it you might want to try artist radio again, as we've made some changes to that very recently. And/or check out everynoise.com for a lot of genre-based playlists that ought to pretty internally consistent...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
interesting stuff on this thread, but good lord, spotify/streaming discussions mainly just make me feel depressed
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 November 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
where does Bandcamp fit in with all of this? is their free streaming bitrate comparable to free Spotify? I know that Edward from the Legendary Pink Dots said they are making enough to live on off of their Bandcamp page, fwiw, but they are an "established" band.
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 November 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
^ I was wondering about the economics of bandcamp too, not so much the streaming side of things but it seems to be the digital distribution method of choice for a lot of the non-major label Australian music I listen to
― badg, Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
http://basca.org.uk/2014/11/13/basca-supports-taylor-swift-in-spotify-action/
Ivor Novello Awards Chairman Gary Osborne (whose songs include Elton John’s Blue Eyes) comments, “No matter how bad it is for the artists it’s a whole lot worse for the writers! People don’t understand the difference between the writer and the act, but artists receive a far higher income from streaming than the people who write the songs. This is because deals were done first with the record labels that represent the artists, after which a few scraps seem to have been tossed to the songwriters and their publishers as an afterthought.”
^^important point that i haven't seen noted too much
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
it should be noted, on the other hand, that terrestrial radio (at least in the u.s.) is really good for the writers and really bad for the artists, and that is unlikely to ever change because the radio lobby is still a lot more powerful than the streaming lobby.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Really enjoyed Albini's take here: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/17/steve-albinis-keynote-address-at-face-the-music-in-full
― schwantz, Saturday, 22 November 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
How to make Spotify fairer:
https://medium.com/cuepoint/how-to-make-streaming-royalties-fair-er-8b38cd862f66
(it's really easy)
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 22 November 2014 23:25 (ten years ago) link
The argument in that Medium piece has some aspects in common with David Lowery's argument here [http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/david_lowery_heres_how_pandora_is_destroying_musicians/] that music people don't listen to very much should be more expensive than music people listen to a lot. I don't think "fairness" is really the justification for this.
In addition to the basic problem that all the numbers in the Medium piece are literally made up, it totally ignores the fact that about 75% of Spotify listeners are paying for their music by being advertised to, not through subscriptions, and thus generate more net revenue by listening more, not less.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
i love it when glenn brings the knowledge
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 November 2014 10:46 (ten years ago) link
"that music people don't listen to very much should be more expensive"
Subscription is a flat rate - no music costs the consumer more than any other. Surely it's a fair point that me spending £120 a year without listening to Taylor Swift shouldn't result in her getting more of that money than anyone I do listen to?
― doesn’t matter what the content is, as long as it’s content (onimo), Sunday, 23 November 2014 12:24 (ten years ago) link
Using spotify and other streaming services seems just as immoral as using torrents or soulseek. The difference is that I'm just paying a company to do the same thing legally. The artists still don't get shit. I can't figure out why the labels ever agreed to this.
― calstars, Sunday, 23 November 2014 12:42 (ten years ago) link
If Spotify is as immoral as illegal downloading, then shopping at a store is as immoral as stealing.
Which you could argue, of course, on the same grounds: distributors taking too much of the money that "should" go to the original workers. But blaming Spotify for the artist inequities in the major-label music business misses pretty much every important point. In order to exist legally and have a plausible library in 2014, any music service has to deal with the major labels. But it's a pretty big collective victory that you can GET onto all major online music services without signing with a major label.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
I was looking at the website of a "digital music distributor" today. It seems like a bit of a rip off. Can artists deal directly with streaming services, or do they need to use a distributor?
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
"But blaming Spotify for the artist inequities in the major-label music business misses pretty much every important point."
Huh? Spotify and the labels agree to a payout rate. How are they not implicated?
― calstars, Sunday, 23 November 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
For Spotify, at least, you still currently need a distributor, but there are some pretty low-cost options. I don't have any experience with them personally, but I think I was leaning towards OneRPM.
calstars, I feel pretty comfortable at this point that Spotify is paying its way adequately, in overall rate terms. But whether that money gets from the labels to individual artists is another question. And whether streaming is better or worse than the old world for individual artists is another whole set of questions. And what Spotify, or any other service, could do differently in the future is yet another set.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
But it's a pretty big collective victory that you can GET onto all major online music services without signing with a major label.
no it's not. the privilege of being on a digital distribution platform whose royalty accounting primarily rewards the biggest "rights holders," who also happen to be equity shareholders in the platform, is not a "big collective victory." It is a concession to the times and the economy that some independent artists have chosen to make.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
this whole "if we ignore this issue, this issue, this issue and this issue, spotify is totally fair" stance is such a joke.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
by the nature of the deals made, spotify and the major labels cannot be treated as independent agents
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Go try to get your movie into theaters, or your show on TV. Or your song on commercial radio or your CD into Best Buy.
Yes, it's true that the most popular artists make more money. That's always been true. Were you hoping for streaming socialism?
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
dude do you really want to be the guy who tells everyone that the company your work for is superawesome and fair to small artists, and then when people point out how it isn't the advantageous system you claim, you just say it's not their fault that's the way it is go back to soviet russia?
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
to become a big guy, spotify set up an accounting and equity structure that primarily benefits the big guys (and by that we're talking LABELS, not ARTISTS - with the possible exception of a few powerful enough to negotiate with their label and/or spotify directly). you're right - it is what it is, how it's always been. but to then suggest everyone should ignore those aspects and focus on a purely theoretical construct so they can blindly backflip over the privilege of engaging with that system is some "shut up be happy" corporate lackey pr bullshit i don't understand bothering to push in your free time.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
in cases like movie theaters, retail stores, tv, there are limitations in space. there's the desire to focus your attention. currently, as spotify is trying to become the be-all-end-all of streaming, they are being super-inclusive. you shouldn't be any more flattered spotify will put your album up than you should be honored that your name comes up on google. and thanks to the nature of the accounting and equity of spotify, the presence of random indie acts still BENEFITS the majors. if spotify succeeds in becoming be-all-end-all of streaming, the major labels (not artists, LABELS) will see an economic windfall completely separate from the royalty system, which is already staggered (and muddled with advances) to help them anyway. this is not a "victory" for independent artists. in this system, they're just fodder.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
Doesn't seem likely that you and I are going to change each other's minds, whomever you are.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
i'm not trying to change your mind. i'm pointing out how either blinkered or disingenuous your defense of your employer is.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
i use spotify. i want you to continue to improve it and keep it running smooth. but i don't want you pushing pr in a critically-minded thread about any more than i'd want a mcdonalds employee telling us how if you ignore x y and z hamburgers are actually good for you and the world at large in a meat thread, despite the fact that i eat meat.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
jack manfred says "no more bets"
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
sure hope they don't pull an uber and threaten to tell everyone how often i've listened to "boom clap" on private session
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
Ah, well, good to be clear that you're just insulting me instead of having a discussion.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
croup insulting you is just part of having a discussion w/ croup <3
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
glenn mcdonald's
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
lol I wondered if that was on purpose
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't actually! Pun unintended
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
Glenn do you honestly need to tell yourself this was all just "personal insults"?
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
Or that my indifference to "changing your mind" nullifies this as a "discussion"? I gotta wanna sway a middle manager to correct one?
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:00 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is the only thing I really disagree with
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
The founders are still majority owners, and I'd imagine that spotify will fight for more sustainable deals for the artists as it becomes more powerful.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
I'd imagine that while dressed in a little sailor's outfit and licking a giant lollipop btw
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
in terms of money, there is basically no reason for spotify to fight for artists as it becomes more powerful. can you give me an example of where a corporation has fought for the rights of workers of a 25% shareholder? hard enough to find one that fights for the rights of workers! the only possibility i could fathom is if it became a serious pr issue. and i don't see that happening, especially if more and more people accept spotify as the new normal.
should also note another reason it's not a "victory" for indies that they get to be on spotify - spotify could easily be sued if they didn't. back in the day, movie studios owned movie theaters, and that was broken up by the supreme court in an antitrust case. even with the labels as minority owners, if spotify made any effort to exclude competitors, that could be seen as a potential monopoly, especially considering the audience projection numbers spotify uses to argue that someday everyone will get mad loot.
on a practical level, this is why spotify hasn't blasted to hell "re-recordings" and karaoke versions of hit songs. the avoidance of the former would especially rankle, as while they suck ass, they're clearly artist-approved.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
all they can do is promote the most "popular" versions of songs, with the occasional re-recordings still ranking higher. but if they could, it'd be so easy to send us straight to the Geffen/MCA greatest hits comp and past the k-tel one.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
if anything, as implied by youtube's negotiation with indies, spotify could hold them to even shittier deals as they get more powerful. usually that's what powerful companies do.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
I guess 'a serious pr issue' coupled with better competition is what I'm hoping for
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
ok then your issue is how on earth "as they become more powerful" and "better competition" co-exist
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
well I could see spotify growing along with another competitor, and that competitor switching to a 'we are the ethical music streaming service' strategy.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
perhaps I am warped by california in seeing that as a winner, though
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
again please give an example of this utopian situation where pepsi appears next to coke and then says "we're the ethical one" and the other responds by trying to beat it at its own game at the expense of a minority shareholder
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
honestly vinyl making a mega-comeback seems more likely
a big reason i don't actually think glenn's being a pr shill (though he could try harder to avoid looking like one) is that clearly you don't have to get a check from spotify to find spotify worth crafting hilariously optimistic fantasies over. for the music nerd the current situation is fucking sweeeeeeet and now that we've tasted paradise why would we want to go without it.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
xp that would be great. I could pay $10/month for spotify and then go to my local record store and actually pay $15 or less for any new record. yes, please.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
and my new mac demarco record wouldn't be horribly decentered bc people would remember how to cut records correctly
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
said it before but my dream of avalon is that mp3s and cds go the way of the dodo, spotify (or some relatively unsoiled simulacrum) is given 2-3 songs from every artist who finds the promotion worthwhile, with the rest of the songs from an "album" behind a paywall and/or available on vinyl. for those only interested in the hits, they'd still have access to thousands and thousands of songs in a jukebox of the gods. and everyone who gets heavily invested in an artist would actually have cause beyond a patrician's guilt to give them more money for more music.
wouldn't swear it's gonna happen, though
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
2-3 songs per album, i mean. if we're still making "albums"
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
spotify has a hard enough time getting people to pay $5-10 a month for industry-wide access, so they've got no desire to install further paywalls if they aren't made to
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
I'd be cool with that as long as I could stream the whole album after buying a physical copy.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
yeah there could easily be a paywall access code for the jukebox when you buy the vinyl, just as they do for mp3s now
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
I think I'd prefer that they offer the paywall songs for free for up to 3 plays or something as well. I tend to fall in love with the entire albums on spotify before I buy a physical copy.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
maybe that could be an option in the monthly fee tier
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
and maybe there's a monthly fee tier where Billy Corgan reads me my horoscope each month
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
or maybe it's like ads and you have to pay more to not hear Billy's horoscopes
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
that's all just negotiable details. i think the important factors are
a) digital media is no longer sold. access is leased.
b) the leasing is tiered to reward the acts who inspire album-length engagement.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
this is of course if you have an investment in the "album" as a creative effort of economic value. it could be argued we're past that.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
as proven by billboard now pretending if you play one song enough times you've bought an album
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
If we're not going to convince each other of anything, then this is just a game of clever non-sequiturs, and despite earnestly trying for about 10 minutes, I can't think of anything funnier than you calling me a middle manager. So I think you win.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
glenn, first of all, it's rather rich of you to act offended by my tone now when your first words of acknowledgment of what i've been saying were I'm not obliged to respond to every comment in a thread in order to justify responding to one. This was a "discussion" you initially were set on talking around, so don't act like i'm the one not engaging earnestly with you. second, i can engage earnestly with someone without having the desire to "convince" them of something when there are more than two people in the conversation. for whatever reason, you are determined ignore serious issues in order to paint your employer as fair. i am bringing up those issues. this is not "a game of clever non-sequiturs" and the fact that you need to pretend that's what happening is pretty damn sad.
― da croupier, Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
Anyone know why Spotify removed the buy-with-one-click button a year or so back? I used that feature a lot and it must have been a long-term money spinner for them.
FYI I would use the shit out a feature that allowed me to buy + download an entire playlist in one bundle.
― Matt DC, Monday, 24 November 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
finally hearing Beyonce
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 24 November 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/one-band-who-loves-spotifyDO read the comments
― Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
word "bandcamp" not found in article
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
not to go into conspiracy mode, but considering he's copping to only making $900 off his band's music, and the comments noted the lack of presence his group has in the media otherwise, i tried to google how the dude previously made his bread in the industry (his bio mentions only the band). nothing obvious came up - lot of "ben berry"s out there - but his band's web presence is honestly kinda odd for a group allegedly trying to hustle through new channels
https://twitter.com/mokehillband (about five tweets over the last two years)
https://www.facebook.com/mokehillmusic (148 likes, a post ever few months with 1 to 3 likes)
http://mokehillmusic.tumblr.com/ (no posts but the original post taken by wired, which has 28 likes)
https://www.tumblr.com/search/moke+hill (only like 3 tags beyond their own post)
three days after the original tumblr post went up, it got referenced in a kansas city star article: http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/back-to-rockville/article3790231.html
then it gets reprinted in wired ten days later.
again, don't wanna start talking about reverse vampires or anything, but it's certainly ODD this group managed to get a couple hundred thousand streams of their song, and their detailed opinion on spotify blasted to ever larger channels within a month
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
like, at the very least, it'd be neat to know what exactly his unnamed music industry role was and if he still has anything going on with that front beyond this chill, low-key band and pro-spotify pie-charts
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
Over the course of this year, with no marketing, PR or label support, Spotify has exposed those songs to an audience who would otherwise have little chance of finding us. At last check, our song “Detroit” has been streamed 310,187 times.
so like...politely assuming every listened to the song 10 times or less, that's a minimum of 30,000 listeners for a group putting a remarkably minimal effort into promotion. I think it's fair to ask what exactly Spotify did to "expose" them, and whether it was more than merely throw their song in the pile.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
well here's one factoid unmentioned in the article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v78a8TtjrU
psychopomp312 months ago Found via the Beards and Flannel spotify playlist. Great song, great playlist.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
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croup in fairness you kinda have some conspiracy glasses about a fair bit of music-biz stuff. like it just feels to me like you often see intent where I'd say there's more "guys throwing darts in the dark"
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
IDK, seems pretty obvious that Spotify promotes these guys and they shill for Spotify in exchange, not really a "conspiracy"
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
ray, at this point it's just a fact - a band led by a former industry dude that has less than 100 followers on any social media outlet got 300,000 streams with no promotion, publicity, etc - in his words. the guy wrote a long tumblr post with pie-charts about how spotify got them $900 and all this attention that's going to really help them go places taylor swift's a fool etc etc etc but didn't mention that the song was featured on a spotify-created playlist. the piece got 28 likes, but somehow got to the kansas city star and then reposted on wired.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
said tumblr not existing before the post with the pie-chart
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link
That $900 was from 1 song. That's $900 more for that song than they would have made if they weren't on Spotify.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
well yeah, especially since they've made zero effort to promote it elsewhere.
there's nothing "fair" about saying "yes but croup you obv don't think spotify is great" in response to that
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
i'm not making any claims about who did what for whom and why. i noticed something unusual, and found a pretty key piece of information left out. and all i had to do to do that was google the band's name - something you'd think they'd want if they're promoting a band rather than a service.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
i should say the "former" status of industry dude is self-professed. no word how he's surviving off $900 made over the last year
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link
so a band makes it onto a playlist. maybe it was chosen via likes/followers/whatever, which is what every music-editorial outlet and radio station does. (there was a long piece about radio 1 wrt this: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/25/radio-1-playlist-secrets-uncovered-battle-of-brands). or maybe there was a promotional/sponsored deal that got them onto this playlist, which is what every music-editorial outlet and radio station does. (see payola, see On the Verge, see a bunch of things I shouldn't have to write out as news.)
or maybe, just maybe, the spotify employee who did that particular playlist really liked that band, or some other band without super-impressive follower numbers (which are gamed and bought so hard that you really can't use them alone as an indicator of anything, but that's another story) and snuck them onto a playlist because they aren't tightly monitored and they can get away with it. when I used to write for a pop site I'd do roundups and throw in, from time to time, videos by small bands I really liked who made music simpatico to what we've been covering. when I currently select tracks for a pop site I do the same. (the nice thing about this, and the thing that people who obsess about followers and shares don't seem to have internalized, is that such acts are far more likely to retweet, post to facebook, whatever, because they are not constantly inundated with requests to do so and they are probably genuinely surprised and happy for the coverage. and you get decent numbers out of that, as in, I've seen the numbers with my own eyes. not colossal, but enough to make it worth doing.)
anyway, I'm not saying it's the most likely possibility, but it's a possibility. the rest is just how the industry works
― katherine, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link
also, I know very little about how spotify does their official playlists, whether they are done internally (and whether it's editorial or business or interns or whatever) or farmed out to contractors or what, and whether there's tight oversight of analytics or whether you can, as upthread, just throw darts in the dark, but the barrier to entry to placing some band onto a Beards and Flannel playlist is probably far lower than premiering that band on a music website.
― katherine, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link
It's true, it could just be that a guy at spotify just happened to like a song by a band made of self-professed "industry vets" who then responded to the unexpected attention by promoting spotify rather than their band.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
you really think this piece does more for spotify than it does for the band?
― katherine, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
I'm pretty curious about spotify playlists myself, I have a friend who works for them in a menial capacity & keep meaning to ask her about this. maybe glenn can shed some light on the subject
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
Did you read the piece, Katherine? Does it strike you as aimed towards getting them past fifty followers on their bimonthly updated twitter?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
For a group excited about engaging the new marketplace they seem to not actually do it, except to thank the angel that plucked them from obscurity and got them 900 bucks
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
^ works for dogetunes
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 22:55 (ten years ago) link
Excuse me I have been very up front about my relationship with ghosttunes and is appreciate a little faith that my criticisms here are unaffected by Garth being my BFF
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
I'm with Katherine here. I think this is a band that was living in fair obscurity--I was going to say "toiling" but I don't think they were even doing that--and they got picked up by some chance onto Spotify's playlist. Maybe the maker of that playlist was by a fan, or maybe it was a "music industry vet" friend of theirs. I doubt the band was somehow expected or required to write PR for Spotify in return. If I were in a band that is apparently not trying hard at all to promote themselves (based on dc's social media stats above), I'd be pretty stoked on Spotify's attention too. They wouldn't need to make some nefarious under-the-table deal with me for me to speak positively about my experience.
The thing I noticed most in that article? This obscure band talks about how many plays their one song has gotten--which makes you wonder, "wait, who is this band?"--and what do you know, there's a Spotify embed of their song in the article. So every reader of Wired now has the opportunity to click that stream and help this band make another $900. Of course the hook of the article has to be Spotify and not the band, otherwise no one would read this and no one would click on their track.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
just a sweet innocent band of industry vets who barely acknowledge the internet until spotify gives them 900 bucks at which point they write a long article with pie charts about how the future looks bright
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link
lol this is exactly what I'm talking about, this pretty pure-conjecture-but-I-know-the-real-story stance - most of the time when you flex this kinda insider-info about the industry, it doesn't really match my own limited-but-inside view of the industry
like, no shots, for real, but to me you come off like the guy explaining how all the drugs work who then reveals he hasn't actually taken any drugs
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:32 (ten years ago) link
you picked a weird bit to quote as me "flexing insider info" - my tongue-in-cheek description of the alternative hypothesis
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
lol misread you then, my bad
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:34 (ten years ago) link
you could just say "you think your so great" if you're not willing to actually read what you quote
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
but your thing reads as "there's no way an employee at spotify liked something, gave it the recommendation and it did well" -- whereas I have direct experience (years ago, but it's the same principle) of "an employee at Yahoo! liked your stuff, decided to make it pick of the day, and you made 500 bucks that week and your website got more hits than you could have possibly anticipated" -- people do actually, you know, like stuff and decide to use their positions to give it some shine
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
I mean I seriously do feel like you have a bunch of zero-source "everybody knows this is how it works" stuff about the industry, and it literally never matches my (again, limited, small-game, but still) experience of said industry. ever.
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
ok now you've read half what i wrote. i never said random luck never hits obscure bands. i'm just questioning why a band who does so little to engage the internet would then go hog wild to promote the company that did them a solid. yahoo got you some cash - did you start a tumblr to write a long article about how yahoo is the future and that people hating on yahoo are fools and then get it reposted to wire?
fyi all insider info i'm flexing here can be found by reading the article and googling "moke hill"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
wired, rather
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
also said article never mentions being singled out by spotify - would your "hooray for yahoo" article have not mentioned they made it "pick of the day"?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, November 26, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, that's what I said. If I was used to making $0 and then I made $900 I would think the future looks bright. And if I could get my song embedded in a Wired article then I would still think my future looks bright.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
personally i don't think industry vets who get rapturous about making 900 bucks over a year should get to call themselves industry vets
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
shit i don't think you even have to be an industry vet to question whether that 900 bucks is oil bubbling up from jed's land, just an adult
― da croupier, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:47 (ten years ago) link
I don't think it's a stretch to say that the band started doing PR in earnest. (the wired article says "no PR," but "several years on the business side of the industry" is plausibly enough to know the right people and get emails opened.) "in earnest" apparently included placement on a Spotify playlist, for whatever reason. maybe it was an email some playlist guy opened, maybe it was a sponsored deal, maybe it was a longtime fan who just happened to land at spotify. the point is, this is very unremarkably how things work, and the Wired piece not mentioning the exact playlist is not proof of some massive conspiracy.
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link
you gotta wonder why i've bothered repeatedly noting I'm not saying there's necessarily a massive conspiracy
but you also gotta wonder led by someone who writes shit like
Rather than fighting, I believe the industry should embrace the change that’s coming (or more accurately, the change that has already arrived). Technological advances have made mobile access to millions of songs a reality – this is a great thing for music fans. Subscribers paying for the mobile version of Spotify in the US are spending ~$120 per year on the service – well above (almost 5x by some reports) what the average music listener spends on music per year. More people spending more money on recorded music (since Spotify’s total revenue increases with each new user) leads to bigger payouts for artists, writers, labels and publishing companies alike.
and
As for Moke Hill, we’ve spent next to nothing to get our songs on Spotify and it has exposed us to tens of thousands of people around the world who never would have heard our music otherwise. Spotify is not only paying us, but building our fan base while paying us, which will eventually make it easier to sell tickets to shows.
wouldn't manage to capitalize off their fluke hit beyond having a whopping 246 followers on spotify. ffs brokencyde has over 22,000.
you also might wonder why this person has seemingly never posted an article before on the internet.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
hell even a paragraph of text
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link
woops, meant to say "gotta wonder why a band led by someone..."
forgive me if it seems like these guys are exceptionally verbose and grateful for 900 bucks
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
"I purchased Dr. Dre's Tha Chronic like 7 times, turns out my dad was throwing it out every time he saw it laying around."
Solid argument for streaming in the comments.
― doesn’t matter what the content is, as long as it’s content (onimo), Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:02 (ten years ago) link
you don't think having your band at the center of a wired article is "capitalizing"? (and when I said it did more for them than spotify, what I meant was the odds of someone saying "wow, spotify isn't so bad after all, my mind has been swayed by this one band" or "wow, I have never heard of this large, ubiquitous company even though I read WIRED," I'm going to check it out" are exponentially smaller than the odds of someone saying "wow, I like this band, I'm going to check them out."
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
katherine if a band who posts single sentences on social media once every two months suddenly were driven to write multiple paragraphs of pro-spotify statistics and anti-taylor swift/aloe blacc talking points because they got 900 bucks and a follower count that's a fifth of what some rock critics have, and the reason was that they wanted to get that WIRED crowd onto the Moke Hill train...these guys have to be pretty dumb fucks.
what's funny the usual dumb fuck musician in the same situation could have easily posted on facebook "spotify randomly put us in a playlist, and suddenly one of our songs had 300,000k streams instead of 5,000. pretty sweet right? actually, we've just gotten 900 bucks. sure, that was nice but it barely put us on the map otherwise. it doesn't seem we got much in the way of publicity." at which point people would note they probably suck and could stand to get off their ass and not expect spotify to do everything for them.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link
just read his editorial, wow it's a lot of bullshit
I think you really have a weird sense of how much it means the first time you get anywhere near Actual Money for your music -- like, 900 bucks...is fucking 900 bucks, it's incredibly super-nice to get a check for that amount - the first time I made a grand in a night was '98, I still remember it really clearly because it was like holy shit. a thousand dollars. takes me three and a half weeks to earn that normally. I am still talking about it. but this dude used to be a publicist evidently? and people are seriously asking musicians right and left "wanna write a Spotify article?" pro or con because they're getting linked, so I'd guess this guy thought "I can write one and generate further publicity for myself"
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Thursday, 27 November 2014 01:52 (ten years ago) link
Omg why are people acting like this guys some sweet noob getting lucky kisses from wired and spotify when he's a self described industry veteran with management label experience, who literally started a tumblr for his band just to post this article
Why the hell is my noting this is weird and suspsish causing people to half-read my posts and respond like I'm bob lefsetz screaming about the saucer people
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
lol no idea. My reaction was exactly same as yours (minus the investigation part because you've already done it).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
Bless you sir was reaching frustration level mugatu
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:08 (ten years ago) link
the author and co-founder of Moke Hill's motivation is pretty clear
"Imagine if Spotify were embraced by notable musicians and revenue grew to 10 times what it is today (and the streams per song along with it); the singles mentioned above could be generating $9 to $17 million dollars each—for one song."
it's easy if you try...
― saki, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:11 (ten years ago) link
Different playlists on Spotify get done different ways. Some involve significant personal input, some are much more numbers-driven. I don't know the exact story behind Beards & Flannel, but it's an individual's list that has been featured in the Spotify editorial section, not an official Spotify company-produced list. It's got 28k followers, and the follower-count is usually a smallish fraction of the listeners, so that song might have reached ~100k people by appearing on that list. It's sort of like getting played on a college radio show, except that list doesn't change very often, and Moke Hill's song has been on there since January, so I guess it's like being put into long-term rotation on a very small station.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
da croupier the thing that nags at me in your post is that you're implying that this guy is in bed with Spotify at this is some kind of cynical PR shill for Spotify, like he's so naive that he made $900 that he'll do anything for them.
I think this "industry vet"--by the way the phrase "industry vet" is nowhere in the article--used his contacts to get on a playlist on Spotify and also to land an article in Wired, and he's savvy enough to know that Wired will not publish an article about Mole Hill but will publish an article on Spotify. You seem baffled that this (sneer) "industry vet" is so bad at social media, get when it comes to the two huge PR scores he's achieved, it must have nothing to do with his connections and everything to do with Spotify exploiting a naive schmuck,
ffs you've spent the day researching everything there is to know about Mole Hill, so I think this guy is not a rube.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 27 November 2014 04:48 (ten years ago) link
alright, last time i'm going to explain why someone's confused about what i'm saying. from here on out if i ignore you, that means you don't understand what i've said and i don't need to repeat myself again.
that this guy is in bed with Spotify at this is some kind of cynical PR shill for Spotify, like he's so naive that he made $900 that he'll do anything for them.
this is a really wrongheaded conflation of one possibility - that this article is not just some tenderhearted indie musician speaking up for the company that's gonna get him and everyone else through the rain - and another, which i've only shared tongue-in-cheek because it's so ridiculous - that he was legitimately moved to write a long-ass article full of industry-wide optimism and pie-charts (despite minimal web presence beforehand) because he got random love from spotify adding up to 900 bucks and less than 300 followers (admittedly more than he has on any other platform). if you think i'm saying he became a pr shill for spotify BECAUSE he got 900 bucks, you need to read slower.
I think this "industry vet"--by the way the phrase "industry vet" is nowhere in the article-
you're right. in the article he says Before switching over to the artist’s side of things, I spent several years on the business end of the industry, working at an indie label and management company. That experience gave me exposure to the process of how revenue flows from consumers to artists, and how that process is changing with new technology. If you feel the phrase "industry vet" is misleading shorthand to use in response to the repeated idea that he saw 900 bucks and went "woah, we're making it!" (again, an idea i've floated only as an alternative to him being a pr shill) I'm really surprised by this
-used his contacts to get on a playlist on Spotify and also to land an article in Wired, and he's savvy enough to know that Wired will not publish an article about Mole Hill but will publish an article on Spotify.
nowhere in the article does he acknowledge being benefited from a playlist on spotify - merely that spotify "exposed" his band's work. so you're basically admitting there's at least a modicum of deception involved in him saying what worked for moke hill will work for every indie artist. you're even taking it a step further. you're saying a guy who can't be bothered to post regularly on facebook, twitter, instagram to promote his band, started a tumblr with a long article about how spotify is the future, with the long game of slipping in promotion of his band in Wired. Cuz man, what a "huge pr score". Almost as big as the one that got him 200+ followers on spotify. (ps i have an old co-worker who makes no music and has 1,524).
I am soooooo not saying it has nothing to do with connections. AT ALL. i have to assume you missed the sarcasm of the "ok perhaps he's just some guy who rose like a phoenix when spotify gave him cash" for you to think i was.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:03 (ten years ago) link
this bit from the tumblr version of the article probably also influenced my decision to honor him with the handle "industry vet"
Today, I’m experiencing the industry from the side of the artist (although admittedly, miles from Taylor Swift and Aloe Blacc on the notoriety continuum). In 2013, I formed a band called Moke Hill with my close friend Andrew Phillips and we were later joined by several other friends from within the industry.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:15 (ten years ago) link
actually, to acknowledge that there sure has been plenty of clusterfuck, lemme just lay out what i've been saying in the simplest terms. hopefully then people can disagree with THAT.
a person who "worked for several years on the business end of the industry," in their own words, now has an indie band with a web presence that would hardly suggest they're engaging the new music economy as we know it. this person then started a tumblr for his band that has no information about their music, just a long article about how the arguments against spotify are really misleading, complete with charts and graphs, noting that while 300,000 streams have only gotten him $900, it's really helped them out in terms of outreach and publicity (again, this someone who has posted a collective five tweets, six facebook posts and 12 instagram photos over the last year, so you know how much he's into outreach and publicity). he trumpets that no pr or marketing went into their success, but fails to acknowledge that a spotify-promoted playlist is undoubtedly what got this track 300,000 streams when the rest of the songs only have about 10,000 (they also have a miniscule amount of followers on spotify, suggesting there really hasn't been a groundswell of interest from this playlist placement). despite zero history of any other writing on the net, this post got linked to in the kansas city star, and then turned into an article for wired within a month.
i deem this odd. very odd.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:45 (ten years ago) link
forgot: there's also no acknowledgement of bandcamp or any other popular indie band music distribution platform. part of why i'd even go as far to say the piece is "suspicious," though i know i'm asking for someone to say i'm accusing them of some grand conspiracy if i do.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:53 (ten years ago) link
I advise you to avoid all music premieres.
― katherine, Thursday, 27 November 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link
not sure i understand that cryptic dismissal (though it's a refreshing change of pace - no clear evidence what i've written has been ignored or misread), but i should note that part of why i'm hesitant to lay out any actual conspiracy is that it's possible this guy IS focused more on kissing industry ass than engaging with an audience at this point. He says himself We laid the foundation for Moke Hill with an EP that came out at the end of 2013, then worked on new material to complete a full-length release as a basis to secure label, management and booking partners. And while I think it's insane to think Wired is a way to the people, saying you think spotify is the bee's knees might be a way to get label, management and booking partners.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 November 2014 07:19 (ten years ago) link
despite zero history of any other writing on the net, this post got linked to in the kansas city star, and then turned into an article for wired within a month.i deem this odd. very odd.
totally odd. it's almost like the guy used to be a publicist and might know people at publications or something.
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Thursday, 27 November 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
Can we move on to the next artist complaining about or praising Spotify?
― Jeff, Thursday, 27 November 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
ime people tend to follow playlists in spotify, rather than musicians. a low follower for an unknown indie band isn't necc. an indication that people aren't listening to or liking their music (correct me if i'm wrong, glenn)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 November 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Just got the family plan for 4 people. Nice for me to save money but man Spotify is just going to burn cash to get MAUs, huh?
― schwantz, Thursday, 27 November 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
MAUs?
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 27 November 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
Take That bail
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30223844
― piscesx, Thursday, 27 November 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
xp Monthly Active Users
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 November 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
xpost Google appear to have paid an undisclosed sum for a 1-month exclusive, which is not the same as Take That "bailing" on Spotify - it's like when iTunes paid for a 1-week exclusive of the Daft Punk record
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 November 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
i liked this piece, more nuanced than most http://oneofthosefaces.com/2014/12/02/the-incalculable-value-of-music/
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
apparently something like 90% of spotify listening is driven by the same 40,000 albums
as it becomes a more mainstream, mature service, i imagine that number dropping to 30 or even 20K
meaning it will become harder, not easier, for non-elite musicians to make any money from it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
that's a lot of albums
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
it's really not
― sleeve, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
well it doesn't really matter if it is or not since the figure is meaningless without any reference
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
that's about 1,000 albums per year, assuming most spotify listening is oriented toward popular music of the past half-century or so (and i think it's safe to assume most spotify listening is more narrow than that if anything). so um, yeah, that's a lot of albums.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
You cannot convert casual consumers into fans that are prepared to make a financial (and indeed, emotional) investment just by taking away your product. But you can convert casual consumers into fans by making a financial (and emotional) investment in your product look like the more desirable, value for money option.
this logic's pretty odd - taylor didn't "take away" her product from casual consumers, she just didn't allow it on spotify. casual consumers could still watch the videos on youtube, etc, and there are still plenty of avenues to get the album. in general i think that piece blurs cynicism about casual consumers (A free streaming service – whether that be Spotify, Beats, Pandora – serves the niche of people who like music but don’t value it) and the self-interest of a superconsumer (In 2015, I should be able to consume media like a buffet, not a set meal). it's the cheap superconsumer, who likes to hear a ton of music and pay as little as possible for it (i include myself in this lot) who suffers from swift not putting full albums on spotify.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
xp there are 30 million songs on Spotify, I was commenting that 40,000 albums doesn't seem like a large percentage of that. sure, I wouldn't be able to listen to all of them before I died (of boredom, no doubt)
― sleeve, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
TH, not sure I understand the argument. If the number of albums that *drive* Spotify decreases as it becomes more mainstream, then non-elite musicians will make less money because Spotify will pay them less? Or because they will somehow end up with fewer streams?
― timellison, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:00 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
We'd have to know how this distribution compares to the distribution of purchases back in the good old days (as well as a bunch of other things) - my guess would be that Spotify listening has a longer tail but idk really.
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
Ex-Easter Island Head only lose out from more people listening to Taylor Swift if the per-stream payments change, otherwise it won't affect them surely?
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
if 90% of Spotify listening is to this very small slice of the catalog, then as Spotify becomes a mainstream service that slice will get smaller because mainstream listeners are less eclectic and adventurous in their listening. i.e. it will become more difficult for non-megastars to make any money at all on Spotify, not less difficult. and then those non-mega musicians and labels have to make a choice, either accept Spotify as a marketing tool or pull their music altogether. the majors don't give a shit because they own pretty much all of that little slice that makes up 90% of listening. plus they own a stake in spotify.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 12:46 (ten years ago) link
not really spotify's fault that people all listen to the same stuff
― iatee, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link
FWIW heard Kelefa Sanneh on a podcast make a very good case (and have others make similar cases) that it's really the labels screwing artists again here, not Spotify, although it might be a hair-splitting distinction given that the labels own big chunks of Spotify. Basically the labels earn revenue three different ways -- from lump sum payments, from royalty payments, and from their equity in Spotify. But they only share the royalty stream of income with artists, and they make sure to maximize the other two and minimize that one.
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Personally, I appreciate Spotify because if there is bad news to be had regarding Spotify and music consumers' depressing habits, I'd rather have it right in front of me.
When I was growing up, there was no way of understanding music consumer behavior, short of taking notes when you visit houses or dorm rooms. Thanks to sites like last.fm or services like Spotify, we can get an idea.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
actually, there were these things called magazines and "industry trades"...
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
i'll admit last.fm and spotify make it easier to cull information about the listening habits of individuals though. i just wouldn't qualify "jesus bob sure likes that ariana grande song" as "understanding music consumer behavior"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
We get reports from Next Big Sound that shows us aggregate data on Spotify for our music. It's free, too. Not that our numbers are high enough to gain any big insight, but it's still interesting.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
There's definitely something new about the ability to tell what people are actually listening to and how much, and not just what they buy.
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
I was given sting's lute album as a gift, and I never even opened it ;_;
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
― lex pretend,
Its better than most, but there's still an inference or implication that we our entitled in some way to media
I should be able to consume media like a buffet, not a set meal
Overall I think this is true, but i also dont think we're entitled to any one persons music or song, if they want to pull it, surely thats up to them. Theyre not obligated to put it on spotify, or even release it at all, and if they want to charge £400 for it, thats up to them.
I havent followed this taylor swift spotify thing particularly closely, but surely she can do whatever she wants with her music, why is anyone entitled to it - and also why should she have to justify herself to anyone
― saer, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
she was not strictly required to justify it. but people will just guess or fabricate your reasons for the public act of not releasing your music on spotify when you are as big as she is. so she decided that it was best to make a statement so that people can clearly know the thoughts behind her actions.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
people would have guessed 'money' and her reason was 'money'
― iatee, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
but what would the raccoons have guessed?
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday
and thats as valid a reason as any other, no?
― saer, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
raccoons aside, people aren't really attacking TS for her decision here.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
people who make art for a living should do whatever they want to maximize their earnings
it's slightly disingenuous for her to pretend like her situation is comparable to anybody else's though
― iatee, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link
she is like a painter. a painter named Thomas Kinkade.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
Seems like there are separate problems of whether Spotify hurts your sales vs whether you can fight the tide.
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
you can break that down even more when you consider the option of not putting everything on spotify. there's not "fighting the tide" and there's putting your kids in the backseat and driving into the ocean.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
you still don't actually have much leverage when you do that unless you are taylor swift and can hold back the single most in demand album of the year. when consumers have a sea of hundreds of thousands of things to choose from, everything is devalued. how many individual books could disappear from the NYPL without anyone noticing?
― iatee, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
I kind of dont agree with that, the strength of the library is the library itself not any one book, and priviledging any one book or song or artist is ossifying for me, taking the tree out of the forest and saying look at this one tree. It doesnt devalue a tree that there are other trees.
Anyway for me its not so much about what taylor swift does or doesnt do, thats her own business, its the entitlement of those that feel they are somehow owed the music they want in the format they want
― saer, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
This thing is up now: https://www.spotify-yearinmusic.com/index.html
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
Top artists: 1) Steely Dan 2) Future Islands 3) Paramore 4) Owen Pallett 5) Beck. Lots of ILX thread influence there...
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
more like whitify amiwite?
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
curious what the metric was for the personal top 5 albums - was it number of tracks from an album? times you played the whole thing? the five albums i got suggested there might not have been five albums i played all the way through this year
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
hey glenn can you tell me how off my numbers are? i.e. 40K albums = 90% of streams?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link
I think you're overestimating the dominance of the hits. Paul Lamere looked at then-current numbers in some detail last year:
http://musicmachinery.com/2013/11/23/revisiting-the-long-tail/
The top ~200k-ish songs at the time accounted for only 80% of plays, and longitudinal data suggested that listening was getting less concentrated over time, not more.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 December 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
33K minutes of listening time this year for me. Thought it would be more but I'll trust their numbers.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 December 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
53.784k for me. I apparently average 5 hrs every Wednesday.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 December 2014 03:48 (ten years ago) link
ha, glenn did you create all of the genre playlists?
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 December 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link
Yes, in the sense that I wrote the code that produces them.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 December 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link
awesome. does your code generate the "play it forward" list as well? is this the first year for "your year in music"? maybe I just missed it previously. anyway, it's great and better than last.fm in many ways. It'd be cool if even more stats became available in the future.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 December 2014 03:58 (ten years ago) link
No, I didn't do the Play It Forward thing, and I don't know how it works. Mine was odd.
They did a less-elaborate thing last year, before we got acquired. And yes, more stats would be cool. Stay tuned.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 December 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link
Haha - according to Spotify my favorite genres are Warm Drone, Drone, Ambient, Glitch... and Freak Folk.
My top two songs of the year are Angel Olsen's "Unfucktheworld"... and "Monster Mash". Thanks to my son on that last one.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 4 December 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link
where does this info live?
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:00 (ten years ago) link
I couldn't get the page to work, assumed it was premium only or some side effect of running Noscript on Firefox
― sleeve, Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:01 (ten years ago) link
I think that only some of the stats are limited to premium, so it is likely the latter.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link
googled my way there. 60k minutes listening. my most listened songs weirdly swayed by doing singles jukebox and with the music i listen to when i jog; way more pop and rap represented than what i remember listening to this year.
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:17 (ten years ago) link
snootie wild "made me" as #1 song of the year all too accurate tho
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 December 2014 07:18 (ten years ago) link
I had to turn Ghostery off to load the year in music page, fair to assume it doesn't play well with blockers in general
My top genres are art rock, r-neg-b, experimental, balearic, new wave. Couldn't crack the 40k-minutes barrier, maybe next year!
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Thursday, 4 December 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
31% grave wave - don't know what that is exactly, but sounds about right to me
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 10:25 (ten years ago) link
It worked better for me in Safari than in Chrome
my total was just under 25k minutes
Top 5 artists and albums are amusingly inaccurate, unless maybe I've forgotten leaving that Charlie Christian Genius of the Electric Guitar album on repeat for a few days ... almost none of the albums I listened to multiple times show up, while others I played once make the list
The top songs list seems slightly more representative but omits most of the tracks I had in heavy rotation in the last two months, a period during which I increased my use of Spotify quite a bit
not really complaining -- this is a neat feature and I look forward to geeking out on more stats in the future
― Brad C., Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link
i want to lodge a protest about corny indie fuxxor not being a genre in this
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:43 (ten years ago) link
― death in Skegness (seandalai), donderdag 4 december 2014 10:44 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Same here. Could not get it to work. Had to turn off AdBlocker, Ghostery, Disconnect and Privacy Badger for it to work lol
6k listening, mostly pop and hiphop, which indeed is what I use Spotify for most. My listening is scattered over Spotify, iTunes and vinyl.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
minehttp://i.imgur.com/Y9mMQc1.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/9u81R8Q.png
I listen mostly to my vinyl and cd's now but I still get good value from Spotify Premium but sadly Soundrop and all the other apps are getting killed off on dec 31st.
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
Most of the time I listened to my starred playlist, 2,390 songs on random. I skip a lot, but I never skip a NOFX or Blink 182 song. Judge me if you wish. Also lol @ Sixteen Tons showing up in my most played song.
Artists1. NOFX2. Blink 1823. Chiddy Bang4. Caribou5. Kris Menace
Albums1. Infinity + 1 - A-Trak2. Idiosyncrasies - Kris Menace3. War on Errorism - NOFX4. Boston - Boston5. Pump Up The Valuum - NOFX
Songs1. Idiots Are Taking Over - NOFX2. Do This Thing - Blänk3. Take Two Placebos And Call Me Lame - NOFX4. Kaili - Caribou5. M+M's - Blink 1826. Backwards Walk - Frightened Rabbit7. Mattersville - NOFX8. Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford9. Dammit - Blink 18210. Little Girl - MSTRKRFT Edition - Death From Above 1979
SeasonsWinter - Frightened RabbitSpring - Kris MenaceSummer - The WhoAutumn - Caribou
89% on mobile16,520 minutes of listeningMost active day - Friday 2 hours average
― Jeff, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0
― Jeff, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
huh what now about the apps being killed off? which apps?
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
all apps afaik
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
Glenn?
Right, we're turning off the old Apps API for building things inside of the desktop client, mostly because that approach never worked for mobile, which now accounts for a huge percentage of both listeners and listening time. There's a post about it here:
https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/apps/
The new APIs let you build both web and mobile apps.
[I had nothing to do with this decision, I'm just answering the question.]
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
but...but...but the BLUE NOTE APPP!!!!!!
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
Jeff I wouldn't have been surprised if that song showed up at my house too. It's a great song! It's on my country playlist that I listen to all the time (though I guess that's on iTunes and not on Spotify.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
75K minutes for me. For some reason it says I listened to Mike Adams at His Honest Weight and Mutual Benefit more than anything else. Sort-of surprised. I did listen to those albums quite a bit, but I'm surprised that those were my top albums.
If anyone cares, here's my Top 100
― schwantz, Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
actually, there were these things called magazines and "industry trades"... --da croupier
Right, I worked in a library with music magazines and industry trades for seven years. But that information isn't free to anyone.
What I meant is that I can get all sorts of statistical information about who listens to a particular artist or genre - and what they listen to alongside it - just by browsing a site. It's not the sort of information a magazine would publish because it doesn't conform to market stereotypes.
It's important to me because I hope the younger generations will not experience to mean-spiritedness and prejudice and melodrama over music taste that I experienced as a kid.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
And if you are trying to gauge effectiveness of some type of marketing campaign, you can do it, even as a small band, which is cool. Ok, definitely not "cool," but useful.
― schwantz, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
I'm really enjoying my "play it forward" playlist for what it's worth...
― skip, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
I lol'ed when I started mine blindly and pulse demon-era merzbow started blastin my brains
― original bgm, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
according to spotify i listened to 29% freak folk, 20% pop, 19% reggae, 19% roots reggae, and 16% world - i didn't realize i listened to so much reggae??
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
my genre breakdown was 100% prefix-rock, which was funny considering more than 50% of my top ten tracks would be qualified as NOT rock (i.e., bruno mars, robin thicke, pitbull, etc)
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link
as cute as the review is i think i still prefer last.fm
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
it's a bit weird that they don't let you share your year with other spotify users easily. I guess it's better marketing for them if you share on facebook, twitter, etc.
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 December 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
you can no longer drag an album into a playlistWTF
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:59 (ten years ago) link
I still miss starring. MOTHERFUCKERS.
― Jeff, Sunday, 7 December 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link
Glenn, do something about this.
Drag failure seems like more of a bug? Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Sunday, 7 December 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link
Only works if I pull up a track and drag the album title from that.Either a bug or trying to push people to the "Add To" buttons
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 7 December 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
I'd love to hear the rationalization behind the latest UI moves. It's been kind-of driving me crazy.
1. No more drag an album title to create playlist.2. No more starring.3. Weird insistence around having to add stuff to "my music."4. No user playlist discovery in the mobile apps, and even trying to find a user or playlist is hard-to-impossible. And there's not even a simple way to browse the people that you are following (AFAICT, maybe I'm missing something?).
Not sure what is driving this. My FAVORITE part of Spotify is the crowd-sourced playlist element. Much more so than a computer algorithm-generated radio station. I end up having to use the Playlists.net app a lot in the desktop client, but I guess that'll be going away (?) and it was never there in the mobile app.
Other things I'd really like:
1. "Watchlist" or "smart playlist," where I could have an auto-updating playlist based on a search string.2. A way to sort user's playlists by creation date.3. A way for people to be able to create mixes with crossfades/beat-matching and share them. This one might be tough in terms of copyright (not sure about this), but man that would be sweet.
― schwantz, Sunday, 7 December 2014 00:58 (ten years ago) link
the no-drag-album thng really sucks
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 7 December 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link
I guess because they just want you to save it to your music? Makes it hard as hell to find anything.
― Jeff, Sunday, 7 December 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
I'll pass this feedback along to the proper people! Pretty sure any drag-and-drop issues are just temporary glitches, as I'm not aware of any desire to have people not do that. And yes, better ways to find other people's playlists should eventually come. This was kind of problematic in the past when the only way to save an album was to make it into a playlist, so there were a lot of nominal playlists that weren't really playlists. The Your Music stuff is part of the ongoing effort to put all this stuff into better shape.
(None of this is my area, personally...)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 7 December 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link
My FAVORITE part of Spotify is the crowd-sourced playlist element.
cosign x1000
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Sunday, 7 December 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link
I know I've moaned about this before, and I know it's totally rockist and ludditisb of me, but a better way to manage albums would be good. Like, being able to at least tag them so i don't have to scroll through my entire massive "my albums" list to find something to listen to. Just some kind of system that allows organizing albums in the same way playlists allow one to organize tracks.
― brimstead, Monday, 8 December 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
I'm just starting out making playlists and it's kind of hard? I envy Moka's ability to come up with cool thematic shit like "bamboo jazz" or w/e
― brimstead, Monday, 8 December 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
Cosign for the bit about needing further options in managing the albums list. This thing loses its function completely after reaching some size.
I use it almost exclusively and live in constant fear I might be the only user of this feature because it feels so needlessly underdeveloped and unloved.
― the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Monday, 8 December 2014 09:32 (ten years ago) link
exactly!
I blame spotify for me never listening to albums anymore.
― Jeff, Monday, 8 December 2014 12:05 (ten years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn. I appreciate your hanging in here on this thread. Having been the "company shill" on the Kindle thread, I feel your pain.
― schwantz, Monday, 8 December 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
I think you're overestimating the dominance of the hits. Paul Lamere looked at then-current numbers in some detail last year:http://musicmachinery.com/2013/11/23/revisiting-the-long-tail/The top ~200k-ish songs at the time accounted for only 80% of plays, and longitudinal data suggested that listening was getting less concentrated over time, not more.― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:16 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:16 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is really interesting. I'm frustrated by the lack of underlying justification for the metrics he uses, though. The "chartland vs nicheland" charts take the top 100 sellers as the definition of mainstream. What would the chart look like if we took the top 500? Are those extra 400 songs really much more "niche" overall? Here's 200-204 in the current iTunes chart:
200. The Veronicas - If You Love Someone 201. Katy Perry - This Is How We Do 202. Bruno Mars - Locked Out of Heaven203. George Ezra - Listen to the Man 204. Bruno Mars - When I Was Your Man
There's also the issue of different audiences. Wal-Mart's audience is about as mainstream as it gets. Rhapsody's about as music-nerd as it gets. It stands to reason that any chart you could make comparing activity between the two will show a greater appetite for going farther afield in Rhapsody, which has nothing to do with the size of the catalog.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 December 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
The UI makes me want to claw somebody's eyes out on a daily basis.
if anyone wants to know what i liked this year, both old and new, it's on this playlisthttp://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/0ah1waMa42AwR8t1sfI9wq― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday,
I can click on this and get the playlist on a web page, and I can hit "Play on Spotify" and the songs will play in the Spotify app, but the playlist will not display in that app. Happened with the above playlist and also with the P-Funk results playlist. "View All On Spotify" at the bottom of the playlist (on the web) does nothing.
Also, multiple windows in the Spotify app would be nice.
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
oh god yes
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
last update to the iphone app messed-up all my local files and I'd get an error whenever I tried to play em. uninstalled and installed again, and after re-syncing them all, they're back but all the artwork is gone. again. grr.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
fwiw you can cut addresses like http://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/0ah1waMa42AwR8t1sfI9wq and paste them into the search window and the playlist should come up
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
This is a good addition: http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/11/spotify-top-tracks/
― schwantz, Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
year in music is neat. apparently the genres I listened to this year were Ambient, Art Rock, Experimental, Electronic, Hauntology. My top album was an old pop ambient that I don't recall listening to much this year at all. 42,497 minutes of listening to spotify in total.
― tweet deems ur mad f this (wins), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
glenn, is there any public API for getting genres for a particular track/artist/album?
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
was thinking of maybe building genre top 10s from the ILM poll results
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
i think albums now auto-stay in the recently added sorting which means I can stop making constant playlists everytime a new album to listen to
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
You can get genre info for artists from the Echo Nest API. For single artists you can also just type them in the search box on everynoise.com (which does the same API call).
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
"Recently played" is a tiny fantastic addition.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Oh cool, I'll look into using the Echo Nest API. xp
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
Just noticing now that I can control the music playing on my iphone using the desktop app. Is this new?
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 December 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
actually, it's not quite so functional as that. nvm.
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 December 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
Be careful controlling Spotify from a second device. AT&T called me to say stop tethering based on that behavior.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 19 December 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
this is one of the better developments on spotify, unplug yr headphones from yr laptop and into yr phone & it continues playing
― ogmor, Friday, 19 December 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
it used to be that you could listen to local files thru spotify even while a different device is playing music from the service itself. this was super convenient bc i use spotify as my main music player and that meant i could just switch to local files when my wife was listening. this is no longer so :(
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 00:54 (nine years ago) link
I think I can still do this?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
without pausing the other account?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
Ah, I see. No, you're right.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 01:42 (nine years ago) link
If the one that is playing offline content is actually offline, it still works. There's probably a simple way to block traffic from Spotify while you're doing this, but I don't know how to do it off the top of my head.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
One of my fav things about Sonos is being able to play different things on Spotify in 3 different rooms.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:40 (nine years ago) link
god i miss it when i'd get advance auto parts ads and similar bullshit, now spotify is recommending music during the ads which is even worse tbh
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
INDIE ROCK YOU MUST KNOW ABOUT
GUSTER
i always want to throw a five dollar bill at my computer when i hear someone complain about ads on spotify
― da croupier, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
that's fair
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
You can get genre info for artists from the Echo Nest API. For single artists you can also just type them in the search box on everynoise.com (which does the same API call).― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:22 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:22 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hey glenn, just a heads-up that I sent you an email about the logistics of using Echo Nest for the ILM poll. I'm never sure whether people check the email accounts they provide for ILX...
― Vote in the ILM EOY Poll! (seandalai), Sunday, 11 January 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
I do.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 11 January 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
So, I deactivated my Facebook account yesterday and I logged in to Spotify not with the LOG IN WITH FACEBOOK feature but I did use the same username and p/w and then found this had reactivated my FB account. I changed the p/w on my FB account and then deactivated it again thinking I could use the old p/w with Spotify but I couldnt. Looking at other forums, it looks like a like it or lump scenario and I have to have FB active to use Spotify since I originally set it up thru FB. Any tips? I cant contact the Spotify help team as I cant log in either.
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 24 January 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
That's why you need an alt fb account
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 January 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
I can still use Spotify Web Player though
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 24 January 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
What I don't se mentioned here that miffs me (and I'd love to hear why they did this/any hack to change it back) is the UI change they did last month that got rid of the Top Lists in the sidebar. When you clicked on this it would give you a massive list (I wanna say top 200) of the most popular songs on the left, albums on the right, and you could filter it by region etc.
The new Top Lists they have are more varied and genre specific, but they only include 50 songs and none of them really replicate the original features or content of the old format.
― MrExplorer, Sunday, 25 January 2015 10:43 (nine years ago) link
The charts section is undergoing a revamp, and there will be more coming, but in the meantime you might enjoy my set of per-country playlists showing the most distinctively popular songs in each country:
http://everynoise.com/countrysounds.html
Unlike the old per-region charts, which were based on raw stream-counts and thus tended to be dominated most or entirely by global hits in slightly different orders, these tend to have a lot more music that's actually unique and representative of the country in question...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 25 January 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
very cool
― Mordy, Sunday, 25 January 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
At the bottom of the front page on everynoise.com are links to a bunch of other things, including similar playlists for a few hundred cities, too...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 25 January 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
i <3 you glenn
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 January 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
i love that you do this stuff for a living
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 January 2015 05:35 (nine years ago) link
awesome - that's exactly what I was always hoping to find in the country charts - thanks too for staying on board of this thread
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 26 January 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
son of a bitch, almost every time I add an album/playlist to my queue, it puts track #1 last and starts with track #2
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link
some piece-of-the-pie breakdowns:
http://pando.com/2015/02/06/labels-not-spotify-are-screwing-over-artists-and-breaking-the-music-industry-heres-how-to-fix-it/
When you disregard taxes and the platforms’ share, labels keep a full 73.1 percent of the net revenue streaming services transfer to the music industry.
― sleeve, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
Does that even account for the fact that the labels are also investors in the service?
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
Some interesting numbers, but a pretty terrible article. The line sleeve quoted is especially silly. Labels don't keep the taxes or the Spotify money (other than maybe as some eventual return on investment).
― schwantz, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
Whoops, I'm the dummy. I realize what that meant now. OF THE MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER (after the platforms and taxes take their cuts), the labels keep 73.1%.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Do we know the structure of the labels' investment in Spotify? It's not impossible that it gives them some additional payout even if Spotify isn't turning a profit, although that'd be pretty fucked.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
numbers aside (which is really why I posted it) I can't figure out what place the author is coming from - critical, sympathetic, or what- but it kind of reads like another "if these new musicians just knew how to market themselves they could be making bank" article, which I don't think it true in most cases.
― sleeve, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Hey, if you want to spend your life doing self-promotion, you can probably make money in the music business. It's just that that sounds like a job.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Can anyone think of a reason why a track would be playable on the spotify client on my home pc but the client on my work pc tells me this track is not available in the US? It's dumb, because home and work are only 8 miles apart and in the same US city.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 February 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Most likely two reasons: 1) it's actually not available, but you have it in your local iTunes library at home; 2) your office's network goes through some odd internet routing. If I'm on my work VPN lots of programs think I'm in Sweden.
Also, if you paste in the URI for the track, I can check where it's available.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 February 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
spotify:track:49UBmvRSxLa2Oq6HkYKovK
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 February 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
available to me (in the US)
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 February 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, our office internet goes through a vpn, but I've never encountered this problem before. So odd.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 February 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
That one appears to be available everywhere except Asia. So, um, is your VPN secretly Malaysian?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 February 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link
It's not a huge deal. I'll just chalk it up to a freak computer thing no one will ever figure out. I logged out and logged back in, didn't make a difference.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 February 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link
perhaps unbeknowst to you your neighborhood/building has declared itself a soverign nation thus exempting it from US Spotify restrictions
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 February 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
björk keeping her new album off spotify doesn't seem to have got half the attention that t-swift did, it seems to be for much the same reasons though
― lex pretend, Sunday, 1 March 2015 12:44 (nine years ago) link
I assumed it was because the album hasn't technically been released yet? (e.g. it's still pre-order on Amazon)
― kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Sunday, 1 March 2015 13:57 (nine years ago) link
This is kind of weird: Eric Trip's Forever Again (1994) is on Spotify (U.S.), but only the first 11 (of 18) tracks, and the track titles have been replaced with those from the album A Different Arrangement (2012) by Black Marble.
― jaymc, Monday, 9 March 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
I can get that fixed!
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
Cool, thanks!
― jaymc, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
Anyone else have all their playlists reset to secret after the latest update with the big UI changes? Bah
― nashwan, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
Hey, what happened to the option to view unplayable tracks? I put those in playlists because sometimes they become playable later on! Bring it back!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 05:48 (nine years ago) link
Oh, nm. I glanced right over it. Carry on.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 05:49 (nine years ago) link
Shit! Clicking the "Close" X now shuts down the application instead of minimizing it. Will have to retrain my mouse hand.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 05:53 (nine years ago) link
Also, the flatness of the new UI is lame. Save that for the browser version. I like just a little more definition in the desktop version.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 05:55 (nine years ago) link
Problems I've had with the new update, within the first few minutes. I'll start with the ones that are only mildly annoying.
1. All my previously public playlists have defaulted to secret. Presumably, I'm going to have to manually reset each one back to public?
2. The "show unavailable tracks in playlists" option, which I'd set to On, has been switched back to Off. I've now set it back to On again in Edit-Playlists.
3. I can no longer add new playlists in the middle of my list of playlists, depending on where I'm positioned - they only appear right at the start of the list, then I have to drag them down to where I want them.
4. The notifications don't display. You touch the little bell and wait forever.
The next ones are maddening.
5. If I sort a playlist by Song/Artist/Album, I can no longer reposition myself within that list by typing the letter(s) that I want to jump to. This means for long playlists, I've got to do a lot of manual scrolling.
6. I can no longer drag tracks from iTunes into playlists, WTF?!
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
4 will go away if you close and reopen
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link
or it did for me anyway
thrilled that close button now closes the application
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Not me. I've already accidentally closed it 4 times.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
7. You can no longer display all the tracks from playlists within a folder, by clicking on the folder name.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
Just tried that, and yes, notifications now OK.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
this is running much faster for me after I closed and reopened as well
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
8. You can no longer adjust the width of columns. So, for example, if you want to view a long song title, you have to click through onto the album name to read it in full.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
9. Song now playing no longer appears when you hover over the icon in the taskbar.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
10. I can't star songs anymore.
Oh wait.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
x doesn't close my app but i think i have the latest update
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
re playlist privacy it turns out they were still public (and viewable on your profile page to others) but the setting when right-clicking on them in the playlist menu doesn't seem to reflect this
― nashwan, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
The whole not seeing the contents of playlists when click on a folder sucks. Was a good way to get around the playlist limitations.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
I'm sad that Spotify apps are gone. Feel like someone should fill the void (maybe they already have)?
― schwantz, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
i believe the plan for the post-app world is to make profile pages "richer", so that, say, Blue Note can have all their albums available via their profile page, presumably in some easily navigable way
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
I liked the PFork app (yeah yeah) and the Playlists.net app.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
Unable to tweet a playlist - clicking icon just showed me connection settings in a new pop-up.
No content in new notifications box when clicked, just the spinner icon forever.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
11. Spotify logo now a red hexagram
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
― sleeve, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
Clicked LYRICS but it just said
"Well this is embarrassing...It happens to everyone once in a while..."
but those are not quite the lyrics of what I was listening to
― nashwan, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
each side of this album is marked wrong:
https://open.spotify.com/album/6xeVnukC5gmrTy3YrbwQ7w
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Gone_Wild/Chirpin_Hard
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 12 March 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
I'm having trouble adding tracks to playlists — restarting fixes this temporarily but the problem comes back within minutes. Also dragging+dropping and scrolling is extremely sluggish and buggy (as is nearly everything else).
This is the worst update I've experienced yet! Just appalling. Anyone know how to restore it back to an older version?
― example (crüt), Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
I don't have problems adding individual tracks to playlist, but I can't seem to add a group of tracks.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
This might work: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/spotify/
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
This seems to involve a few steps, but maybe try this as well: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/TUT-3-11-2015-How-to-downgrade-and-block-auto-updates/td-p/1045170
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
my only complaint about the update is that the Local Files tab still exists but you can no longer search it (tho apparently searching in the main search bar is much better now at bringing up local albums). Local Files tab tho is now totally worthless - what are you going to do? scroll down until you find the album you're looking for?
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
I still miss being able to star songs. Every day. I cry myself to sleep at night just thinking about it.
― Jeff, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
The trick from the Spotify forum seems to be working. I've got the old version back and it's not forcing an update.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 March 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
this is also annoying because I tend to sort it by date added so that I can get the newest stuff into my lists, but I don't think you can sort it that way any more
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 12 March 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
I re-installed an old version today, with that little read-only filename trick. That latest update was the final straw - it should never have been released.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 March 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
the new weird thing is that the whole window flashes when I delete a song. It feels like I'm physically hurting my playlist.
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
got the old version working. happy again.
― example (crüt), Friday, 13 March 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
this new version is pr good for me. especially since I enabled 'no bugs mode' in the preferences.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 March 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
man, if all the songs on an album aren't available, i'd rather just not see it at all
― brimstead, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
have they messed about with the 'Queue' again? it used to be on the left and now it.. isn't there at all. or anywhere.
― piscesx, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
at at the bottom, to the right of the seekbar, the thing that looks like venetian blinds
― brimstead, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link
(the queue button is there, i mean)
yeah, next to the lyrics button that only has lyrics for 5 songs for now
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 14 March 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link
the default way that they display those lyrics is o_O. I guess it's cool that they sync with the song, but a kind of doc view that highlighted the current line would be much easier to follow. also, one sometimes just wants to read the lyrics while listening. lyrics are interesting for more than karaoke.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 14 March 2015 05:25 (nine years ago) link
it'd be thrilling to never have to google for lyrics again, but I'll probably keep googling if I can't just read the lyrics in a sane format.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 14 March 2015 05:27 (nine years ago) link
I noticed that the tracks that Spotify's algorithm provides when you're listening to an album have gotten better. Maybe it's just my imagination.
Also, I've found that I get a good shuffle mix when I make a private playlist of 1200 or so tracks - I make a different one each month, depending on what I feel like listening to.
― NO CLOO (I M Losted), Saturday, 14 March 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
Search-by-label function sucks so bad
― WilliamC, Sunday, 15 March 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
If you mean the label:Name trick in the search box, you have to remember to quote multi-word labels. E.g.:
label:"Profound Lore"
Was that your problem?
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
ok, I take it back (thx glenn)
― WilliamC, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:13 (nine years ago) link
Actually I don't take it back entirely. Take this album for example, Vox Balaenae. https://open.spotify.com/album/7szdsl6y7PSDtpz6kE8LIv
It's on Hat Hut. But searching label:"Hat Hut" doesn't produce it in the results. "Hat Hut" and Hathut generate the same results for artist Russ Lossing, but almost nothing else.
Found another on Hat Hut that search isn't getting: Luciano Berio, Voice and Chamber Ensemble: https://open.spotify.com/album/2KTHNMFcNdfCIDEccpINjH
― WilliamC, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
OK, so the confusing thing about the label search is that the data we get has three separate fields for publisher credits, copyright and label. We show publisher and copyright credits when we have them. You might reasonably expect the copyright to correspond to the label, and you would often be right. But not always. In the case of Vox Balaenae, the label is actually not "Hat Hut" but "hat
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label:"hat
Why the data was given to us this way, I don't know. I do know that reconciling it is a huge ugly problem, and this is almost certainly why the label search remains a semi-secret feature.
PS: If you didn't already know, you can also search for genres in the same way:
genre:"gothic symphonic metal"
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:40 (nine years ago) link
Oh, boy, did I not figure out how to escape square brackets. That label name is "hat(now)ART", but with square brackets instead of parentheses.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:42 (nine years ago) link
Huh. Okay. *jumps in wood chipper*
― WilliamC, Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
drag Musixmatch in with you
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 15 March 2015 05:13 (nine years ago) link
get the mobile woodchipper app first. synergy. here's a funny quip because we don't have the lyrics.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 15 March 2015 05:15 (nine years ago) link
Is there a song titled "Improving Musixmatch" that I may flag as instrumental?
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 15 March 2015 05:19 (nine years ago) link
If one initially created an account thru' facebk but now want to sign in via a username how does one find ones username (a 6 digit code I think)?
― pandemic, Sunday, 15 March 2015 10:51 (nine years ago) link
Support can help you with that...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 15 March 2015 12:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I once created an (otherwise unused) FB account to use Spotify, now deleted the FB account and I can't log on to Spotify anymore (not even to contact support). So I created a new user, no problem there. Not as if I had a million followers anyway.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 15 March 2015 12:20 (nine years ago) link
Music recommendation engine under Discover has improved leaps and bounds.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 16 March 2015 12:15 (nine years ago) link
Spotify seems to have updated itself on my MacBook without my say so. Current list of irritations:
- scrolling up/down artist pages with the arrow key now much clunkier than before (and can't scroll through saved albums page this way at all)- names of people who created playlists I'm following have vanished(?)- can't seem to add tracks unavailable in UK to my playlists; have to follow someone else's playlists that contain the track - track now playing no longer appears when you minimise player & hover over the icon in the taskbar
― Jeff W, Monday, 16 March 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
thanks for the tip brimstead! would never have spotted that.
― piscesx, Monday, 16 March 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
they fucked up the new update big time
― Arctic Noon Auk, Monday, 16 March 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 March 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
everyone went back to itunes
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 01:06 (nine years ago) link
they'll continue to get songs, sure, but the good songs? i'm not so sure anymore.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
omg these huge line breaks between everything in the left-hand pane
i'm going to get carpal tunnel just mouse-wheeling down to the playlists i want
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
I'd like it if there was a "Top Recommendations For You" radio station.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
my news feed now compltely gone since update, turned into a blank black panel that simply says "find friends". i used to like the updates on followed artists. gone, all gone.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 08:05 (nine years ago) link
update gives one the impression spotify are indeed a greedy lazy company, who employ the absolute bare minimum of programmers and design staff to save on costs.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 08:53 (nine years ago) link
It makes no sense. They've done the same thing with mobile. What group of beta testers have they found that said, "oh yeah, this version is much better than the last, proceed!"
― Jeff, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 12:38 (nine years ago) link
I'm back with a permanent version 0.8.5.133, and couldn't be happier; there's almost nothing from later releases that I miss, and many lost features that I'm very glad to have back: dragging and dropping from iTunes, searching within playlists, sorting search results by columns, resizing column widths, starring, playlist displays at folder level, vastly more text on the screen etc etc. Instructions here: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4430815
https://troubleddiva.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/spotifyold.jpg
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
you were right - this is wonderful!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
Yeah did the same. If I need a shit player that has the latest Spotify "features" I'll just use the web player, at least the application is now useful again.
I guess they changed the layout and removed features because of fears of Apple/Microsoft litigation?
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Does that refix work with a mac?
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
Like has anyone on here tried it?
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
I did and it works
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
You mean like typical spreadsheet sorting features? Ask Open Office if they've ever been scared (they haven't).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
what's Open Office's revenue these days?
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Made the downgrade, and I love it. Looks like the apps are disappearing either way, though.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
in nu-spotify, the taskbar icon now has a big red "1" on it to indicate i have some kind of message or something, but if you click on the tiny, well-hidden "bell with a 1 next to it" icon in the program, it just brings up a gray box with an endlessly spinning light-up dot icon, and the red "1" never goes away.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
Yeah notifications are completely botched on my Mac client.
― kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Thursday, 19 March 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
that went away after I closed and reopened one time. it hasn't come back for me yet.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 March 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link
thanks, that worked for me too!
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 March 2015 02:42 (nine years ago) link
Got a new update for Mac client today, installed in hope that maybe the sluggishness of the new queue display & reordering tracks on it may have been fixed. Got way worse instead, whole app seems to freeze on manual track changes and takes about 10 seconds to actually update the list to the right track that's currently playing, this is not even funny anymore...
― the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
It's as if they're trying very hard to make the client slower than the web version.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 19 March 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
did anyone else notice that you can no longer sort your search results by artist, album, song title, track length, etc.? for now the only workaround is to enter spotify:search:yoursearchterm into the search field. hopefully the next update will restore full search functionality.― macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Monday, June 30, 2014 10:17 PM (8 months ago)The sorting turns out to be a temporary casualty of some internal reworking to prepare for bigger improvements...― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:15 AM (8 months ago)
― macklemore looks something like you (unregistered), Monday, June 30, 2014 10:17 PM (8 months ago)
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:15 AM (8 months ago)
with the latest update, you still can't sort your search results by column heading, and the 'spotify:search:' workaround no longer works. as for the bigger improvements, uh...
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 20 March 2015 04:52 (nine years ago) link
(I'm not implying that any of this is glenn's fault, mind you...)
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 20 March 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
wonder if complaining to glenn is more efficient than the 'send feedback' button on the gui
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 March 2015 05:21 (nine years ago) link
or perhaps the 'send feedback' button just sends an ilx mail to glenn and tithes his pay, and so he prefers this thread
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 March 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link
Each of you is frustrated by your own experience. I am frustrated by all of them.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 March 2015 07:12 (nine years ago) link
Any chance of Spotify trying to fill in discographies? It almost seems a rule that the average-aized discography is missing exactly one studio album...this morning, for example, I found myself missing both Vic Chesnutt's About to Choke and Crooked Fingers' Dignity and Shame, although every other significant album by both artists were there. I'm not sure Spotify ever even pursues things beyond large deals with labels and distributors, but just curious.
― westofrome, Friday, 20 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
I think in practical terms we go after missing labels more than missing albums. But the licensing situation is complicated, to put it mildly. The missing albums are likely to have hit an expiration date in some very specific deal that nobody is even really thinking about any more. And they may be missing in only some countries. This is an industry-wide problem that has to be solved with changes to the whole underlying model, probably...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Oh good, now Spotify Installer keeps hanging and never actually installing
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
I used to get annoyed that Spotify didn't exit when I pressed the big X. Now I'm annoyed that it does.
― there can be only (onimo), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
fp'd
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 00:21 (nine years ago) link
It closing with the X is literally the single good thing about this update.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:00 (nine years ago) link
got another update for the desktop app a couple days ago and it appears to be working much better now for me.
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
okay often now spotify will just plain not play a track when i click on it, or sometimes it will start playing a track by the same artist but from a different album (???). not just me- friends have reported the same thing. weird.
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 26 March 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
you must have displeased the Spotify
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 27 March 2015 00:22 (nine years ago) link
try apologizing
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
2 things:
- there need to be arrows at each end of the scrollbar for scrolling massive playlists
- if anybody needs to delete their queue, the easiest way I've found is to make a playlist with one short song and then double click this new playlist's name on the sidebar. It seems to replace the whole queue with the newly created playlist so sit through your random napalm death or curd duca tune and enjoy your empty queue. hope this advice is intelligible.
― brimstead, Friday, 27 March 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link
interesting to see others are having the notifications issue, as someone who compulsively clears notifications wherever they may be this has been fun
― katherine, Friday, 27 March 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah hanging notifications has always been a problem for me - as for previous poster it irritates my digital OCDs
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 27 March 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
i've been getting around the notifications problem by viewing them on the web player
― maura, Friday, 27 March 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
as a power user (maybe 8 to 10 hours a day every day?) i've been much pleased by moving back to retro spotify; it loads faster and is more controllable. I miss subscriptions and play counts but those are fair tradeoffs.
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
on the plus side the recommendations (under the Discover tab) have gotten a lot more interesting. a year ago it would have been "like Miles Davis? try Wynton Marsalis!" but now it's throwing out apposite obscurities like Randy Weston and Terence Blanchard. thanks, Glen!
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 27 March 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
Much work still to be done, by a lot of people, but I do think we're making progress...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 28 March 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
By people do you mean monkeys, and by a lot do you mean a couple
― Arctic Noon Auk, Saturday, 28 March 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
you're still here?
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 March 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
http://themintyplum.com/wordpress2/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/torches_pitchforks.jpg
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 28 March 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
If I left, you'd have to turn on each other.
Assume that whatever you hate, I don't work on that part, and so can cheerfully take your feedback without being personally offended.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 28 March 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
i feel like a lot of paying customers like myself feel really poorly done by here. almost non of the masses of feedback and requests from users have been implemented, just instead loads of things taken away. £120 a year is a lot to be giving for a service that doesn't pay any attention to its users and downgrades a lot. Nevermind all the stripped features and poor usablity, but how on earth you managed to release a piece of software so buggy and crashy and slow is unbelievable.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Saturday, 28 March 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Buy some fuckin mp3s on iTunes then
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 28 March 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
I have 12 notifications but I don't know what they are :(
― kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Saturday, 28 March 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
did you try closing and reopening?
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 28 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
yeah sometimes that fixes it but more often than not it doesn't
― kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Sunday, 29 March 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
I see. I only had that happen the first time run after install :-/
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 29 March 2015 04:34 (nine years ago) link
after the program has been open for a while, i can no longer add new songs to my playlists
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Sunday, 29 March 2015 05:55 (nine years ago) link
i have to relaunch. this is irritating.
I found that dragging songs from the search drop-down into the big playlist window will stop working, but you can still drag the song onto the name of the playlist over in the left-hand panel. Baffling.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 March 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link
have you tried turning it off and back on again?
― akm, Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
£120 a year is a lot to be giving
no it fucking isn't lol
― Finn McCoolit (wins), Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
I mean I agree with everyone that the spotify application is a garbage application and gets worse with each update but the *service* is absurdly good value even if I do have to log out and log back in every single time to get the mobile version to work
― Finn McCoolit (wins), Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
Agreed
― Jeff, Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I prefer to think of it as 'brushing spotify's teeth'
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
since u can just install an older superior version in about a minute it doesn't make a lot of sense to complain. idk what spotify as a corp gains from making newer versions of their app progressively worse but at least we have a choice.
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
the program is bad and the programmers should feel bad
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
maybe the idea is that the UI gets simpler and therefore more aesthetically pleasing and easier for new users? i guess apple has had some success w/ that design theory but itunes, even tho a terrible program itself, still has way better functionality in almost every important area for a music app (playlists, sorting, searching, etc)
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
Can I install an old version that has stars? I know I can't in mobile, which is where I really need it.
― Jeff, Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
That fix upthread is the best btw, would never have occurred to me to try so thx!
― Finn McCoolit (wins), Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
the only problem to the retroactive version fix is that it synchs up somewhat sloppily with mobile... though to be fair, so did the up to date model so
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
Yes, the old version I linked to upthread has starring - as does the ancient version of the iPhone app that I steadfastly refuse to upgrade. Taken together, they synch with each other just fine.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 29 March 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
just downgraded and it feels so goooooood
― bonkers candle ancestors (reddening), Monday, 30 March 2015 03:37 (nine years ago) link
this is the buggiest, shittiest program
― Treeship, Friday, 3 April 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
ime the buggiest, shittiest programs are sold at crazy high prices to a narrow customer base.
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 3 April 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
― Finn McCoolit (wins)
That's more than buying 1 CD album every month. Most ppl don't buy 1 CD album a month, every month. Especially when people just dl for free today. I have probably over 500 CD's but I hven't bought or listened to one in years. So yes, £120 of my money is a lot, I don't know how much you value money so I can't talk for you. Put it this way if Spotify put it up to £15 or £20 a month probably 70-80% of their users would disappear.
― Auk stay woke (Arctic Noon Auk), Friday, 3 April 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
Especially when people just dl for free today.
c'mon dude
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 3 April 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
RMDE if you buy one CD a month you get 12 albums a year, if you pay £120 you get access to hundreds of thousands of them.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 April 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
right. spotify may be a bit like a vitamin supplement in that you can't possibly absorb all of that value, but you still come out way ahead in value for your £ or $
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 3 April 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
I am the cheapest motherfucker I know and I don't find the premium price exorbitant
― katherine, Friday, 3 April 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Considering how much I use Spotify, I just factor it in like any other utility bill. Also, since when are cds less than the monthly Spotify subscription? Even on Amazon, they're still routinely more than $10.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 April 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
"I wish my celestial jukebox that lets me listen to almost any song ever created was cheaper than one CD."
-today's spoiled generation
― schwantz, Friday, 3 April 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
1. doesn't make a difference what the cost is versus CDs, if it's a lot of money for how much you have budgeted to spend on music, it's a lot of money for you. if it's ALL the money you have budgeted for spending on music, then it'd be kind of a drag if it didn't work right.
2. it's annoying when things you pay for don't work right in general
3. ilx is like an all-purpose clearinghouse for complaining about life-degrading minutia, wtf is wrong with calling out this shitty downgraded software for what it is?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 3 April 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
this is the kind of statement I suspect I'll look back on in five years (or would have looked upon five years ago) and think "how did you even LIVE like that," but tbh in 2015 I expect any piece of software, website or other product to be shitty, clunky, downgraded and/or malfunctioning
― katherine, Friday, 3 April 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
spotify knows that the majority of people, and its users, are not big music enthusiasts. most people are casual listeners. most people don't require access to 30 million songs. so £120 is a lot. it's not like you, or on ILM, your twitter feed, or w/e. Most people just like to listen to a bit of music every now and again. most people can get away with not having to spend £10 a month to get their fix. the people on here that regularly seek out and listen to songs and albums with <1000 plays are probably in the 5% minority of their userbase. So yes, £120 a month is a lot for a piece of shit software that gets beta tested on premium users, and heavily downgraded for no apprent reason.
― Auk stay woke (Arctic Noon Auk), Friday, 3 April 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
then i guess people will stop using it
― Treeship, Friday, 3 April 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
i don't get what your point is. spotify is horrible from a bugginess perspective, but it's an amazing value. it's transformed my life, really, as i no longer have to waste time hunting down torrents
the general sluggishness of spotify does annoy me but
a) a lot of this is due to my laptop, which is a piece of shit; spotify honestly isn't THAT much slower than, say, chrome andb) unlike iTunes, which is equally sluggish, there is not a reasonable substitute that I've liked
― katherine, Friday, 3 April 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
I went back to torrenting after some time using Spotify because too much of the stuff I wanted was unavailable. There isn't much hunting to do.
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Friday, 3 April 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
that's probably a fun thing to say, but it's also not true for a large number of people
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 3 April 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
xp it's much easier to only have to hunt down the unavailable stuff as opposed to everything you want to listen to which is how it used to be
― Treeship, Friday, 3 April 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
it isn't "easier" as in "less difficult" so much as "less tedious" -- there's enough stuff I listen to that isn't on spotify that I do find myself hunting for downloads/used CDs/etc on an overly regular basis, but spotify has proven immeasurably useful for those times I think "man, I really want to listen to ____" but never bought the CD, or when I think "crap, I need to relisten to ____ for this review, I forgot what it even sounds like"
― katherine, Friday, 3 April 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
Speaking as a Spotify (or Rdio) user, the transformational thing for me is being able to listen to playlists full of things I would never even consider taking the time to track down individually, and might not know where to even start. I could go listen to 2 hrs of Finnish hip hop right now. Or I might change my mind after 30 minutes and switch to Eurovision entries or whatever came out on Profound Lore that I haven't heard yet. Or whatever is hot in a Philippine city I've never even heard of. It's like you're saying walking isn't that much slower than skateboarding, but that's not a skateboard, it's a rocket board with landing gear.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 3 April 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
you're right glenn but spotify's ux needs to make those journeys apparent
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 April 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
I've never really listened to playlists made by anyone other than me, ILM users, or rl friends but I adore premium Spotify.
but ffs sake why limit yourself to one or the other? Slsk is still a lovely tool, and I am still buying new and old lovely vinyl + cds
― kraudive, Saturday, 4 April 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, April 3, 2015 6:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes, this part is very true. Spotify definitely began as a searchable database, and has been slowly embracing the idea that we need to do a lot more for most people than just sit and wait for their queries. Acquiring an editorial team was one big step in this direction. Acquiring the Echo Nest was another. These elements are starting to come together, but there's much more coming, and much much more to do...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 4 April 2015 08:34 (nine years ago) link
I thought I found a way to star songs again. If I play Spotify through my roku, it still has the starred option. But it didn't sync up with the playlist :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7644/16855841089_bafc1de173_z.jpg
― Jeff, Sunday, 5 April 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah, ever since I got a roku and attempted to refresh my starred list, it got completely out-of-sync and now I can't load the starred list on any device or my computer.
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Sunday, 5 April 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Thanks, Obama.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 5 April 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Thankfully, I don't seem to have broken anything. Losing my starred playlist would be devastating. That's how I listen to music 90% of the time.
― Jeff, Sunday, 5 April 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Weird bug that's started to happen - when I pull a full album into a playlist, the tracks don't stay in order. (artist/album stays together but the individual tracks within an album get jumbled up.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 5 April 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
If you're that worried about it, Jeff, you should probably make a "backup" playlist and just drag all your starred tracks into it.
― brimstead, Sunday, 5 April 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
Good idea. Better safe than sorry.
― Jeff, Sunday, 5 April 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
better write it all down as well
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 5 April 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
and post it into an ilx thread bc this place will outlive us all
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 5 April 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
Been trying for months to buy premium in Western Canada... they won't take my postal code. Even tweeted the CEO about it, the red-headed stepchild that I am. Intentionally annoying ads take on new meaning when you're in this position.
― Adam J Duncan, Sunday, 5 April 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link
Support is probably a better bet than tweeting Daniel Ek. @SpotifyCares if using Twitter is important.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 5 April 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link
Latest update just gives me endless spinning dots and no music when I try to open any playlist. Am definitely going back to an older version as of right now.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 April 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
I can always fix spinning dot issues by closing and reopening
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 April 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
has never not worked
Tried that 4 times, no luck, so fuck it.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Friday, 10 April 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
:-(
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 April 2015 06:27 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, didnt mean to be rude to you! Just sick of nu spotify. The old version is so refreshingly qui k.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:02 (nine years ago) link
has anyone WITHOUT facebook integration ever successfully sent a song to a spotify friend?
i.e. you are listening to a song you like, you want to send to one of your spotify friends, you hit the "...", you hit "share", you hit "send to..." you hit "select people" and..... nothing. there is a search box, but no matter what you type it says "no results".
it's been like this for at least two years.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:25 (nine years ago) link
They should probably replace whoever is in charge of UX immediately. They moved the Queue link a while ago and replaced it with a completely non-intuitive icon in a completely different place. Took me ages to find.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 April 2015 12:05 (nine years ago) link
i'm trying spotify premium out for a month so i'm using it more often than i usually do. i realize this must have been discussed upthread, but they are really fucking things up with however they're choosing to collect their metadata, specifically the album release dates. example: the psychedelic sounds of the 13th floor elevators - 2012. i'm not a complete fool, i understand they just decided to go with the year of the most recent re-issue of the album as the year, and that these kinds of policies, while hilariously stupid on a small scale, can simplify things considerably when they have to deal with metadata for millions with albums. but it's only going to get more and more difficult to fix this (if they ever try to fix it) as time goes on, right?
i suppose few people care, but i wonder how it might change the experience of getting into and understanding music for the youngest people who maybe have grown up using only spotify and their shitty metadata (complemented with youtube uploads which often lack any context at all). whenever i listen to music, i have to know the year it comes out. it's just essential information. it helps me to make sense of the sound of it, both from within the artist's own output as well as within genres, recording advances, drum sounds, etc etc. maybe terrible spotify metadata leads to decreasing importance of those things? not saying it's a bad thing necessarily, it's just different.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:17 (nine years ago) link
As satisfying as it is to blame Spotify for that, the metadata (and especially the dates) all comes from the labels, for whom release dates have other significances than just discography. We (Spotify) do put a fair amount of effort into trying to clean this stuff up, but it's a very big task, and there's no magic solution.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
u should crowdsource the solution. give ppl a button where they can report category errors. i was thinking spotify could really benefit from a tagging system too - like last.fm has - i bet that would tag up the library with countries + genres really quickly
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:36 (nine years ago) link
I can also say from Echo Nest experience pre-Spotify that this problem is not only not unique to Spotify, but remains hard even if you have more than one service to compare.
Most of the time it's like you say, old albums with newer dates on them from having been reissued. But there are also plenty of errors in the other direction, like Christina Aguilera songs marked as 1961. Music metadata is a giant quagmire. It's a small wonder anything is ever right, and a large wonder if anything from earlier than 2006 or so is right!
(Crowdsourcing corrections is an idea with potential, but nowhere close to free...)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:45 (nine years ago) link
so i see that you heard of spotify! ;)
not blaming spotify for the metadata itself - i realize it comes from the labels, and having worked in a position where i had to be the gatekeeper of a small chunk of metadata for a large organization, i understand what a colossal, complicated undertaking it is. my first thought was that perhaps you the metadata template you provide to labels could be modified to add an element covering the first time the music was released ("original release date"), while keeping the current element for when the label released the music. to use 13th floor elevators again, the original release date would be 1966, the reissue release date would be 2012. putting the onus on the label seems more efficient than trying to clean it up afterward. the labels would still occasionally mess up it up and you'd have to correct it before adding the album to spotify, but at least you'd be in the role of doing QA rather than doing the research and data entry.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:47 (nine years ago) link
also if you're a label reissuing an album and you need to spend more than 5 seconds to remember what year the music was originally released, then maybe don't deserve to be on the internet anyway
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:48 (nine years ago) link
glenn correct me if i'm wrong but my impression is that a lot of the adding to the spotify library is automatized. i've seen the same album on the sorting hat page like 5 months in a row now (World Music Tour · The Culture of Traditions, Vol. 2). obv they just keep resubmitting it, maybe under different names or whatever, and it automatically gets put into the system again.
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 April 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link
so even asking spotify to stop automating any % of that would either mean a) smaller library, b) cost more money
Yes, the field in question is, in fact, already labeled exactly "Original Release Date". And then there are separate fields for copyright and publishing dates/credits, and then also separate on-sale dates for every region. That dreamy future in which the labels "still occasionally mess it up" is the reality you are already living in. Putting the onus on the labels and post-label cleanup are not two different alternatives, they're two unavoidable steps in the same unreliable process.
Which doesn't make it any less annoying, I realize. But we're doing what we can.
And yes, we get the same albums sent to us many, many times. We try to deal with that, too.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
have you considered sending around a crew of bruisers to punch people in the face when the submit bad metadata? i've often dreamed of that!
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:08 (nine years ago) link
we could be those bruisers
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
and will later be portrayed by Jonah Hill
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:34 (nine years ago) link
this whole spotify vs. tidal vs. beats streetfight makes me so glad i've stayed within my itunes comfort zone and don't have to worry about which artist's exclusivity deal lands where. i'm just really hoping that when apple x beats is complete the roll-out doesn't simply take the form of an itunes update that doesn't let me add mp3s to my library ever again (the death of the ipood classic was a dark portent)
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
haha ipood
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 01:47 (nine years ago) link
you paid money for mp3s, though
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link
― soyrev, Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link
let's not even get into the inability of seemingly every major music service to disambiguate between artists of the same name
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 April 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
Of course the labels provide unique identifiers for each artist. Which everybody diligently uses when reviewing them or tweeting or whatever.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 April 2015 12:52 (nine years ago) link
Sparks is a particularly funny example xp
― Dainger! High Doltage (wins), Sunday, 12 April 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
Have a horrible time trying to get spotify to recognize my mobile when plugged into my computer.
Where can I sign up to be a beta tester of this horrible software? If anything it will be cathartic for me to feel like I'm giving feedback through an official channel. Or hire me as a QA tester. I'll work for cheap.
― Jeff, Sunday, 12 April 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
I suspect part of the problem is Spotify doesn't handle large local file libraries well. The functions more or less normally until I try and access local files then the whole thing becomes an unresponsive piece of shit.
― Jeff, Sunday, 12 April 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
except local file libraries work great in older versions!
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 April 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah I won't pay for spotify or any other service until they get the metadata thing solved---because I am silly I have spent a lot of time cleaning up my itunes library and if I could integrate that into some streaming service then that could work (maybe itunes beats w/e?) but I hate using the spotify client as it is today.
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
I've got used to working around spotify's shortcomings but while we're complaining about it, another issue is the [un]navigability of artists with big discographies, especially older artists with material which has been reissued in x number of compilations. there's all this effort to curate playlists etc. but there are lots of individual artists with hundreds of hours of recordings which are very difficult to wade through. someone like duke ellington is not well-served by arranging things by album & some sort of organized timeline way of looking through/filtering his recordings would be so much more user-friendly but I suspect we're doomed to have 18 versions of the same recording and an unusable compilations section
― ogmor, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
crowdsourcing, btw, would also be great for being able to somehow downvote shitty rerecorded versions of things so they fall to the bottom of search results, but I don't see any way to make that happen without it also turning into conservatives downvoting all rap music or whatever.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
That's unlikely - look at RYM which is also based on crowdsourcing/voting and def doesn't downvote rap.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 12 April 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Well, maybe not that, but some other possible downsides I guess? I basically would only trust this feature if it was used only by ILM types.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
ilm types downvoting all rock and indie?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
while i am completely sympathetic to the urge to see crappy re-recordings blasted out of our way, they aren't just an annoyance for nerds like us - they represent independent record companies and artists looking for more income and rights. so even if spotify hadn't given equity to the majors - which would make vamoosing Cleopatra/Purple Pyramid type companies potential grounds for a collusion lawsuit - they're kind of a necessary evil if you actually care about things like artists rights
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
though again, as someone who's made more than his fair share of oldies playlists, i'd probably pop a beer if k-tel's redone crapola magically disappeared
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 April 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
someone like duke ellington is not well-served by arranging things by album & some sort of organized timeline way of looking through/filtering his recordings would be so much more user-friendly
well, quite, and the death of spotify apps makes me wonder if we've not just taken a huge step backwards
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 April 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
eh i really don't mind that aspect, i'm ok with spotify not being a music encyclopedia. the rest of the internet is pretty good at that.
― brimstead, Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
organizing by dropdown tabs by label for each artist would go a long way towards making navigation easier.
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 April 2015 01:49 (nine years ago) link
if you're a label reissuing an album and you need to spend more than 5 seconds to remember what year the music was originally released, then maybe don't deserve to be on the internet anyway
a lot of labels list the current year as the original release date for reissues on purpose, for any number of reasons -- chief among them, i have always assumed, being that it forces the album to show up on top of an artist's discography in online services. labels aren't stupid. they know what they're doing.
i've worked at a couple streaming services, and cleaning up labels' metadata mistakes, omissions and white lies could be a full-time job for an army of humans, and they'd still never catch up.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link
that actually sounds like a nightmare to me. if i'm looking for a certain frank sinatra or duke ellington or guided by voices album, i don't want to have to go through five tabs trying to figure out which label put that one out.
but some kind of organizational system would definitely help. some of those long discographies are all but impossible to navigate. but i get that it isn't easy for services to do. that's manual labor. plus it requires making all sorts of subjective decisions that any two random music geeks could spend their lifetime arguing about. if a service could figure out a way to do it with crowdsourcing, yeah, maybe that.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 05:29 (nine years ago) link
cleaning up labels' metadata mistakes, omissions and white lies could be a full-time job for an army of humans, and they'd still never catch up
How might one get this job, btw? I'm looking presently.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 05:32 (nine years ago) link
yeah artists with big discographies... i just have to search for the album title too.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 06:22 (nine years ago) link
flac needs to happen. mp3s just don't do it. we shouldn't be regressing music quality with each new format like this. they should do a thing where you could pay a small fee for each album u wanted in flac. i don't need all flac, but i would maybe go up to £15pm for all flac everything.
― Daukins (Arctic Noon Auk), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 07:41 (nine years ago) link
^ tidal astroturfing
― koogs, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 08:50 (nine years ago) link
Tidal is your friend. You can also search for composers in there. It's not perfect but it sure helps.
― longneck, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 08:50 (nine years ago) link
Cleaning up metadata would pretty much be my dream job.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 11:03 (nine years ago) link
ctrl+f "remastered" DELETE ALL
― nashwan, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 11:29 (nine years ago) link
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
New Spotify issue with the mobile app, it just seems to skip certain songs. Like it will transition from one song to the next one, the cover art will splash on the screen and then immediately go to the next song. I go back and it will just go to the next song again.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
not as a default, as an option if you need it while searching
ah, ok. i'd co-sign that.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 03:33 (nine years ago) link
weird thing happened to me this morning. i was listening to michael jackson on spotify, plumbed through the stereo. my kids insist on this.
get out the door, start walking to work. fire up spotify and do a search for "joan jett" (don't judge me!) and spotify alerts me: you are controlling (your home computer)! do you want to continue, or listen here? i figured "listen here" meant on my phone, so i chose that, but it didn't work. the song kept stopping, and switching back to "thriller"! i'd start "hate myself for loving you again and again, but it kept stopping and switching back.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 10:53 (nine years ago) link
that remote control thing is great, never had a problem with choosing 'listen here' to switch back to the current device.
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link
actually i think i have had a problem, stopping and restarting playback switches playback from the remote device to the current device. and you can't control the volume remotely.
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:47 (nine years ago) link
At least once I've been unable to convince my tablet that no, I did not want to be listening to this album in shuffle; my hunch was that it had to do with it being halfway synched up with my PC (which wasn't playing along or anything, but when I used it later it was showing a song from that album as the 'current' track)? But I have no idea.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
I think I'm almost done with Spotify. It's completely infuriating how they have slowly removed features that I use and the releases are buggier and buggier. They do not deserve my money.
What are my alternatives? Should I wait of the Apple/Beats streaming thing?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
I haven't tried Rdio in a long time, but surely they're up to having a comparable catalogue at this point.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
you can't go back to an earlier version as described upthread? xp
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
Not with mobile, which is what I use most of the time.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
ah, didn't know that
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
Probably foolish of me to pursue this, but what the hell: Jeff, what features that you used got taken out of the mobile version? Most of the missing-feature complaints I know about have to do with the new desktop version...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
Also: I recommended Rdio to a lot of people back when the Echo Nest was powering a bunch of their features, and although we aren't, any more, many of the things that make Rdio pleasant had nothing to do with us. If I had to move off Spotify, that's where I'd go.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Jeff wants his stars back, glenn. He just wants his stars.
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
i used to prefer Rdio quite a bit, it was a comparative pleasure to use, but it's pretty buggy these days. and it's an absolute mess if cell reception tends to come and go (ie, subways).
― ryan, Thursday, 16 April 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
that being said, if you tend to use it through a desktop app it's fine. i tend to like the UI a lot more than spotify so that's why i stick with it.
― ryan, Thursday, 16 April 2015 01:29 (nine years ago) link
Is it possible that your kids were on your computer trying to play Thriller at the same time?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 April 2015 10:29 (nine years ago) link
the remote play is easily the best newish feature, being able to get up and leave without more than a seconds pause, & my gf can dj for me while I go to the shops
― ogmor, Thursday, 16 April 2015 10:53 (nine years ago) link
Primarily starring tracks (and unstarring on mobile, since playlists don't allow me to easily remove the currently playing track from mobile, I have to go in and edit the playlist). And it would be real nice to have the ability to play all the music that is on my device without randomly skipping tracks. Bring back that feature!!!
I've calmed down today. I'm probably not leaving Spotify. At least not this week.
― Jeff, Thursday, 16 April 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
well yes, obviously!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 April 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, stars are, as you've probably guessed, not very likely to return in their exact original form. But this idea of a personal rotation, which you were using stars to produce, seems super valuable to me, so I'll continue pushing for some new (and hopefully even better) version of that.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
i just use the "recently played" view for that, and it works well, although it forces me to dig through whole albums.
the greatest thing about the stars for me was that you could set the whole starred playlist to be offline, so it was just a big flat list of individual songs that i had actively picked out for special attention that i could listen to in a cave if necessary.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
I'm kind of not feeling Spotify anymore. Just about ready to pull the plug, but I'll probably see how it goes for a few more months.
Mostly personal reasons, but:
(1) I thought by discovering more music, I would have more to listen to. Spotify has just reassured me that there is so much crap out there. I listen to so much bad music and get tired of it(2) Because of that, I only listen to a popular track or two and if I like it, I'll listen to the album, if not, I'll skip it altogether. But I can do this with YouTube already. And Spotify takes a longer time/too long to put new music on their service(3) So I'm still 'researching' music--reading about a band or musician and stuff before I commit to listening fully. So it's not like Spotify is saving me time(4) A lot of the stuff I like is not on there anymore or never was. So I've been downloading music a lot again. What motivates me even more to get rid of it is that the person I share the account with has bands that were all just recently removed completely (no albums/singles anymore)
Whatever. I can save $10 and use it for something better
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
I have a "To Listen" playlist that I use the same way, but putting stuff on it requires more taps than starring used to, and I basically only ever take stuff off of it from my laptop. Not ideal. But the offline part works great, and Recently Played made it even easier for me to get back to it. And I do at times have multiple specialized To Listen lists, which wasn't possible with one Starred list.
But like I said, I think there's better stuff we could do to facilitate these kinds of listening patterns instead of merely tolerating them...
There is an amazing amount of crap, but for me the amount of great music is far more surprising than the amount of crap. This is true of any of the major services, not Spotify specifically, but if you're interested in widening your musical world again, I recommend poking around everynoise.com and/or the Sorting Hat (http://everynoise.com/spotify_new_releases.html). I have absolutely no trouble finding way more exciting new music every week than I can actually listen to...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
cool, thanks glenn mcdonald.
though i actually just went ahead and cancelled my subscription right now. i don't know maybe i'm just not feeling like listening to music in general? definitely not specific to spotify, you're right
i bookmarked that link, though! thanks!
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 16 April 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Good thing I don't work on commission.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 16 April 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
wonder if the social aspects of spotify cause greater lag than grabbing tunes. seems like the speed bottleneck when starting up is gathering up all of my friend and playlist info from the *~cloud~*
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 April 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
On the mobile app, has anyone else noticed that the random is not very random? At least a few times, I've gotten the same sequence of songs a couple of times.
― Jeff, Friday, 17 April 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
there is a web tool to import spotify playlists to rdio.
i imported the ilx 102 best tracks of 2014 spotify playlist to rdio. it matched 92 for me with a US account, so i guess 10 are missing from rdio (incl. that's not me, scandalously)
that's my data. bye.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
delightful morbsian exit
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 April 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link
the greatest thing about the stars for me was that you could set the whole starred playlist to be offline, so it was just a big flat list of individual songs that i had actively picked out for special attention that i could listen to in a cave if necessary.― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:23 PM (Yesterday)
― You Play The Redd And The Blecch Comes Up (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 April 2015 01:00 (nine years ago) link
Yeah i don't know, stars are more a temporary thing for me if anything. I mean, the times I feel like listening to MC Breed are not the same times I feel like listening to Eric Carmen
― brimstead, Saturday, 18 April 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link
Perhaps this has been discussed in another thread, I realise I am a few days late, but christ this is nuts:
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6531918/portisheads-geoff-barrow-says-he-earned-just-2500-from-34-million-streams
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 18 April 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
The British took to his Twitter account to blast Apple, YouTube, Spotify and “especially” his label Universal Music for “selling our music so cheaply.”
What else have The British done?
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 18 April 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
lord my Albums list is getting ridiculous, would love to have multiple folders of Albums... like analogous to playlists of songs... even some style/genre sorting option would be cool, it could incorporate the microgenre tags from glenn's sorting hat.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 05:23 (nine years ago) link
is there a way to make the mobile app stream in extreme quality over wifi and normal quality over cellular?this is my dream feature.
― olly, Monday, 20 April 2015 04:14 (nine years ago) link
Latest Windows desktop "upgrade" finally made me go back to 0.8.5 and disable updates. The final straws were lack of ctrl+F and (seriously!?) inability to modify column widths.
then I was all HELLO OLD FRIEND why on earth have I not done this before? Desktop Spotify c. 2012 is a beautiful little application; not only compared to the current clunky webwrap debacle, but on its own terms.
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 20 April 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link
Some rando used my email address to create a free account, so I emailed customer service to have it deleted, and got this response back (where "xxxxxxxx" is my email address):
We've checked on the email address "xxxx✧✧✧@icl✧✧✧.c✧✧" and can confirm that it has an account which is "xxxxxxxx-4". Since you've said that someone used your email address, may I please know what email address or username is it?
I... what?
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 02:15 (nine years ago) link
WHY DOES THIS PIECE OF SHIT SOFTWARE NEVER RECOGNIZE MY IPHONE WHEN I PLUG IT IN. WHY DOES THIS PIECE OF SHIT SOFTWARE SEEM TO BE COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF HANDLING MY LOCAL FILES. FECES.
Really, really makes me appreciate iTunes. Can't wait for apple to start their streaming thing.
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/No-device-menu-in-the-new-update/m-p/1065741#M116532
Oh, any indicate that your phone is connected has been removed. NBD.
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
Evidently, there is no more wired sync? That's incredibly stupid when I'm trying to sync a thousand or so local files.
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
I expect the inability to handle local files now is just a precursor to removing that feature.
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
I love when you are syncing via wifi, the app has to be open and the screen on. And it takes hours, so you're just sitting there with spotify on constantly tapping your screen so it doesn't go to sleep.
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
yeah, it's bad
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 25 April 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
mog was already pretty good. I switched to spotify bc mog ipad app didn't seem to have the programming support, ironically.
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 25 April 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Does anyone else have trouble with downgraded Spotify continuing to try to upgrade even after following the instructions? I don't think I missed anything...
― JoeStork, Sunday, 26 April 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link
You must have missed a step. Those txt files should stop any attempts to upgrade.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 26 April 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Weird, the txt files are in the folder, read-only, but after maybe 5 minutes the Spotify_new application will reappear, along with the real .sig file.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
The jig is up!
― Jeff, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link
while we're in this zone: is it normal for there to be 3-4 separate spotify.exe processes running, at like 30MB each (not counting the "web helper")? not the biggest deal in the world since firefox takes like half a gig for NO REASON all the time (need to fucking switch to something else at this point, also flash crashes constantly and fucking homestarrunner videos from 13 years ago play with huge lag). but anyway, annoying. this started, i think, right around the time of the upgrade, which was also when spotify decided to 'forget' that i told it not to open automatically on startup.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
it really is amazing how crappy and bloated they have made this program.
― skip, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
Xpost not to prolong an off topic note but does flash crash like a mofo on other browsers as well? It's definitely become a liability for me on Firefox too
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
i really don't think i'll ever convince spotify on my tablet that i don't want to listen in shuffle. baffling.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 27 April 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
Notifications not working on desktop player and no notification emails since April 23rd.
― djmartian, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:13 (nine years ago) link
current routine to start spotify desktop
1. Start Spotify2. Stop Spotify 3. Open task manager4. Kill Spotify processes 5. Start Spotify
― who writes compassionately about poor people for the Guardian (onimo), Monday, 27 April 2015 12:30 (nine years ago) link
Cool feature
― Jeff, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:41 (nine years ago) link
charmingly temperamental program
― Treeship, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
Check that the files don't have an actual .txt extension; they have to be Spotify_new.exe and Spotify_new.exe.sig.
To check this, you might need to change your view settings to display file name extensions, as this generally doesn't happen by default in Windows.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 27 April 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
Same on Mac btw, i had to remove the txt extension from the terminal.
― Siegbran, Monday, 27 April 2015 13:12 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, they don't have the txt extension. No one else seems to have this issue, and the instructions are pretty simple, I'm kind of baffled.
― JoeStork, Monday, 27 April 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
spotify made you, man. get to the safe house.
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 April 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Weird, I haven't had any of the problems being discussed here. I'm on an i7 with a ton of RAM, though.
― brimstead, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
I also used onimo's startup procedure for awhile, but I discovered that the desktop app eventually sorts itself out if you wait a few minutes. It is hilarious that it starts up immediately after you kill all of the processes, though. Feels like there's a bottleneck in the data center for whatever info spotify gathers on startup, but it just gives up on gathering it if you just kill it once?
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
The instructions don't spell this out, but you need to download and install the program, but not then run it, then do the two text files, and THEN run the newly intalled SPotify for the first time.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 04:50 (nine years ago) link
I have been on Spotify Unlimited (£5 a month) for years and recently upgraded to Premium (£10 a month) to try it out on my phone. It was useless, so now I want to go back to Unlimited, but I can only see ways to cancel the subscription completely. Is the Unlimited subscription still available?
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 1 May 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 May 2015 12:30 (nine years ago) link
Oh well, good opportunity to try something else.
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 1 May 2015 12:40 (nine years ago) link
ha, I can only use my phone right now because my laptop's DAC is so awful
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 1 May 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link
Only disadvantage of using the old, working, un-upgraded version of Spotify is it's from the era when the program couldn't count beyond 59 minutes of playlist without giving up and rounding to the nearest hour.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 02:39 (nine years ago) link
Apple allegedly trying to kill Spotify's free tier:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/4/8540935/apple-labels-spotify-streaming
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
Lots of cursing at spotify this morning as I try and access my local files in the Mac desktop app. Evidently 64,000 songs just grinds it to a halt.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
https://insights.spotify.com/us/2015/05/06/most-popular-keys-on-spotify/c, g and d major coming out on top
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
to me bach, arise liszt, b minor must rally
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
streaming video, eh?
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Spotify/status/596748233008816128
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 8 May 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link
Yeesh
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 8 May 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
"you mean like an electron probability cloud surrounding a hydrogen nucleus, son?""no, not that kind of cloud, mom!"
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 8 May 2015 23:46 (nine years ago) link
moms don't get it!
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 8 May 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
Moms: pretty damn dumb
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
wonder if any moms work at Spotify
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:20 (nine years ago) link
no no no. it couldn't be true!
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:21 (nine years ago) link
moms belong at the particle accelerator, doing fundamental work. typical moms!
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:24 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/business/media/as-spotify-expands-revenue-rises-and-losses-deepen.html?_r=0
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 9 May 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
what did the deleted tweet say?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 May 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
ah never mind, i found it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 May 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
It would be nice to have an editable Notes column in a playlist. The notes would reside in a local file of the user who created the playlist, not part of the Spotify db, which I'm sure is already loads of fun to manage. Would be handy for poll result playlists -- "732/9/2" or whatever.
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
love how this thread is half discussion of what it takes to keep a billion-dollar industry-gamechanger, and half "you know what would make my experience as a 99% percentile music nerd more enjoyable?" fantasies/requests.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
not denying we have an eager ear re: user experience, but i think we need to acknowledge that "scourer of ESP-disk discographies" is NOT the person the company is trying to build the company around
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
maybe they could build the company around users who have personal music libraries that they want to run through the same UI as the rest of what Spotify offers. i can't believe that's too small a demographic
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link
honestly when you're competing with apple and google for Everyone That Listens To Music, "people with personal music libraries" is small ball.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
xpost that used to be a feature, right?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
the idea is to get your ass ON the cloud, not make it easier to stay off it
maybe they could make an artisanal reverb for Todd Glass to use w/ a live drummer at parties
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
and just to reaffirm, I am a 99th percentile music nerd, I have a music library etc. Obv I'd love a user experience designed for my pleasure. I just also realize that making playlist crazy explorers of obscurities happy is soooooooo low on the priority level of this battle of the gods we're getting into with Beats and Google Play
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link
no way everyone has a music library - even if it's just a folder of accumulated top 40 singles xxxp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link
probably lots of spotify users have a taylor swift album on their hard drive
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
accept your insignificance
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
key difference between a music library and a taylor swift album dumped onto a hard drive is whether they'd care if it were gone in 5 years
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
key difference in my mind is OOP material unavailable on the cloud
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
xp not really, I kiss goodbye to my digital library every now and then, ocd is not a necessary part of loving music, yr old mp3 player dies while you weep in the rain
― ogmor, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
somebody who feels genuinely qualified, teach me on this: is there any credible school of thought to suggest that streaming is going back into the bottle? i.e. what would have to happen for the vast majority of catalogue to disappear from easy and reasonably cheap access in 2035? Because i kinda feel like keeping a copy of whitesnake's slip of the tongue album as an mp3 is unnecessary; that shit is gonna be part and parcel of whatever universal uses to digitally distribute as long as the model remains viable and then it'll transfer to whatever the next model is.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
is there any credible school of thought to suggest that streaming is going back into the bottle? i.e. what would have to happen for the vast majority of catalogue to disappear from easy and reasonably cheap access in 2035?
-- forksclovetofu
as a mass, no. but it's credible -- and my guess would be it's getting more credible the way that people are vying for "exclusives" of material that is both imperfectly exclusive and easy to dead forever -- that SOME of the catalogue would disappear from easy or reasonably cheap access, or for that matter any access, in 2035. how much? nobody knows! there's no way to know!
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
or in other words: whitesnake's slip of the tongue? probably gonna be fine. that album you love that you found on the internet somewhere that hasn't made it to spotify and only printed 500 CDs because everything's digital now? probably want to back it up.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
for sure! wouldn't ever argue against safe than sorry with small label, self-published stuff but i think the argument here is that if your "music library" primarily consists of the 30 tapes or CDs for the NICE PRICE and whatever you got for Christmas from your kids, you are gonna be able to have backup of that on the cloud with minimal work.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
like i have well over a tb of music (and a half terabyte that was lost, sob) but it's increasingly rare i look for songs on that instead of on spotify, mostly for ease of use issues.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
my mp3 collection that predates spotify is like 90% easily findable stuff but everything added since then is stuff not available on spotify (which includes taylor swift albums as well as like every tzadik album, every sublime frequencies album, etc). maybe this puts me in the 1% of music listeners but the first company to crack the code of letting me assimilate w/ super ease my library w/ their library is going to have me as a customer for life. ironically the app that does this best is spotify but from like 15 iterations ago.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
in practice the factor that determines how much I listen on spotify vs. on my music library is how much I've spent on music and whether it went toward what I actually want to hear at any given point, but obviously THAT's not a business concern, nor will it change unless some miracle / lottery win / sudden groundswell of reversed reputation happens to me
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Lots of issues with local files, especially those with large libraries: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/No-Local-Files-being-added-or-shown-in-new-version-1-0-1-1060/td-p/1045337
― Jeff, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
that's the thing it's not even like i'm asking for new features from spotify. i'm asking for old features + functionality that they used to provide!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
All I want to do is listen to my local files of Xaphoon Jones Mixtape Vol 2, in a playlist in the correct order. There is no easy way to do that through spotify anymore. When my local files load (if they load and don't crash the app), I can search them, but there is no way to sort or drag them to a playlist.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
why are you even using spotify for something like that, just download winamp (the old version, before it bloated)
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
he wants to listen to his library on his mobile away from home iirc, using Spotify's interface
― sleeve, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
"all I want to do is use this copy of Microsoft Word to organize my documents without to pretend to save a doc first to access my file system"
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
it's a bummer ; i have certainly listened less to albums I really enjoy (Bjork's Vulicura, Chordslayer's Maxo, the Aphex dump) just because they're more difficult to add to and listen to on a secondary player. Loading local stuff to spotify has proved useless.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
that part I get -- I've been lucky in that vulnicura is not exactly something you want to listen to walking around running errands
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
When you listen to stuff on Spotify, the artist gets a bit of money, however small, that they wouldn't get by you listening to something from your library.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
as a mass, no. but it's credible -- and my guess would be it's getting more credible the way that people are vying for "exclusives" of material that is both imperfectly exclusive and easy to dead forever -- that SOME of the catalogue would disappear from easy or reasonably cheap access, or for that matter any access, in 2035.
it's not only the issue of exclusives. it's that music rights in general remain incredibly complicated, and it's always possible that any individual song or album or catalog could disappear at any time. and as copyrights revert from labels back to artists, or to artists' estates, over the years, there's no way of knowing what those artists or estates will choose to do, or will be able to do. so if you're really going to want that whitesnake album in 2035, you might want to hold on to your mp3s, just in case.
on the other hand, even if they disappear from the streaming world 20 years hence, i'm sure there'll still be a way to buy a used/bootlegged/3d-printed/teleported copy for one or two cents, assuming the concept of one or two cents still exists.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
xp wish i had it there when i needed to fetch a handful of pumice dust and lost dream teeth from the caves of Vatnshellir Cave in Snæfellsnes; had to settle for Rascall Flatts and it just wasn't the same
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Outside of listening on my phone, I use Sonos to listen to Spotify most frequently. Sonos has decent local file integration, allowing me to search for a song and either play it from Spotify or my local / network drive but it too has limitations. I can only have 75K local files. I have many times that many and I don't want to create another library for just stuff that isn't available on Spotify. Although, if somebody wrote an AppleScript to match what is on Spotify vs. what's on my HD and create a playlist of the unique files, that would be useful.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
the sonos interface needs a lot of work, but the basic idea is great. it does a good job of erasing the distinction between your local library, your spotify library and any other subscription libraries you might have.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Sonos needs work but mostly it's great. I don't now of a better system for multiple zones pulling from multiple sources right now. I do wish there wasn't a delay when I played my vinyl through Sonos. Currently when I play a record, I can send to the 3 different zones, but the zones outside the main zone where the turntable is located get out of phase pretty quick.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
The other thing about the theoretical whitesnake album is that it might get remastered next month and the remaster is garbage and becomes the only version on streaming. In that case you would be glad to have saved its prior iteration on your hd
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
xp:
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:18 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this too, otm
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
that leaves the question of how easy it will be to keep computer files for 20+ years, though. anybody still info from computer disks from 1995 easily on hand?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
still have info from...
I do but it's fucking awful
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
(that said, unless a new audio format emerges, mp3 files are pretty easy to transfer for as long as you're willing to transfer hard drives, it's not like you have to deal with compatibility unless you're in the realm of, like, realaudio)
but that's the thing - we're talking about decades of evolution in computer tech, from an industry that's fond of changing your drives, formats, etc
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
basically my point is that if you wanna keep that whitensake album handy i might consider hunting down a physical copy rather than transferring that mp3 throughout the decades
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
forgive the obvious but in simple terms of access to music we're all kind of ignoring the elephant in the room that is torrenting; that's the most likely way to find the hypothetical non-remastered whitesnake album and anything else that disappears into the copyright ether. it's the only pseudo-service that has shown longevity and consistency.or more to the point, it seems likely that (barring an unknowable gestalt shift) any music that is widely available now will never become unavailable, it's just likely to become commercially / legally unavailable. that may be a "yeah doi" comment for most, but for those of us who remember a time before the internet it matters.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
thing about torrenting is that like any form of piracy, it's heavily beholden to what the torrenters and people torrenting actually like. going back to high school desperately trying to find more than one track off (for instance) a sandra record is not my idea of access to music. not to mention the document I keep that keeps growing of things that you simply cannot find online anymore. they're gone, they're over, maybe someone will join the world of the internet or someone, hopefully you, will find a CD in a haystack
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
the latest entry on that doc, btw, is -- in the kind of irony that gobstops me that it even exists - "god saves the internet," a pro-net neutrality track recorded by kay hanley, michelle lewis and jill sobule
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
I would love to see that list in some form
― sleeve, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
private trackers unlock a lot of that stuff kat... but your point is certainly valid: there's lots of stuff out there that is inaccessible for general access or requires crazy hunting to find. But less that there's ever been in any other time in history!
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
the day I am both financially solvent enough to afford and sociopathic enough to even consider hiring a private investigator to track down a fucking mp3 is the day I need to join a convent or something
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
as for "less than there's ever been in any other time in history" that's inherently untrackable. I mean, probably it is, but we really have no way of knowing, let alone knowing what it'll be like 20 years from now
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
Private trackers are generally run by private investigators, it's true.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
apologies, I misread, I don't actually torrent anything
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
that said, from what I know of private link-sharing communities and the like, they are very unlikely to have significant overlap with the sort of music I'd be looking for.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
xxp inherently unprovable maybe but colloquially it rings accurate to my own brief stay on the historymobilethe idea of a premium "song finder" service where you have taskrabbit hunters to hunt down mp3 copies of the obvious and obscure for immediate play sounds like a business plan whose time has come
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
(xp) yeah, there's a LOT missing from the digital world, everything from doo-wop records that are now owned by this label that bought that label that bought that other label that merged with those other seven labels, none of which gives a rat ass about doo-wop artists whose last minor hit came before anyone who worked for any of those labels was born, to small punk pressings that have never made the leap from vinyl to any digital form, to god knows what else we can't see, because we can't actually see the thing that we can't see. it's amazing to me how many relatively mainstream artists continue to be forgotten by the passing years, internet or no internet.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
btw, i am going to look into getting you a copy of god save the internet
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
a lot of CDs with pop artists' debuts that were shipped to radio but clearly never took off enough to become ubiquitous, a lot of indie, particularly when not from the US -- I have the vague feeling that either I or my tastes are being made fun of here, but still.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
curious now about what music you like that's so obscure that the major private sharing community wouldn't have it. like what.cd isn't complete but of things i want to hear that aren't on spotify they probably have like 75%.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
do we have a thread for like -- most obscure/hard to find/oop album you have?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
it's not a matter of obscurity, it's a matter of genre. the people who subscribe to these services generally deal either in the music canon or the nerd canon. so if things are like they were back a few years ago (or now, if you try the google track), you can easily find every Bob Dylan and/or DragonForce one-off but not, say, stuff from teen-movie soundtracks or europop or female singer-songwriters who aren't the canonized ones.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
i think maybe you aren't familiar enough w/ these services. i've found tons of super obscure 60s-70s female singer-songwriter albums.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah, I'm not talking 60s-70s, I'm talking 80s-on
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
the closer in time to now the more likely it's available - give me the name of the most obscure 80s female singer-songwriter you can think of. i'm curious to see if i can find it online.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
(because '60s-'70s female singer-songwriter albums have a place in the canon, they're either laurel canyon-ish or chartdigging finds or margo guryan. but someone like sandra lockwood? that one I DO have -- because someone I knew bought the CD and was kind enough to send me a rip)
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
you may have found a niche to service katherine. time to call the angel investors
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
for fuck's sake, I'm not trying to prove that I am ~*more obscure than you*~ or claim that I am somehow uniquely affected by this, this is just the part of my musical interests that I have to go out looking for in the first place
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
RFI Sandra Lockwood
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
can't find her. she has a last.fm scrobble page which reminds me of the last time i was looking for an album that was super oop and only had one person who had scrobbled it ever. so i contacted them and asked for a copy - success!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
kat, i'm being serious! I'm not really looking for that stuff so it's outside of my purview; i wouldn't notice that it's eroding because i didn't know it was there in the first place. you would almost certainly be a welcome addition on any private torrent for just that reason.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
yeah, sometimes asking people on last.fm works. sometimes they haven't used last.fm in years, just kept it scrobbling away, and don't visit the site let alone answer stuff in their inbox. sometimes it pisses them off, which having been on both sides of this equation I understand
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
fwiw, i am facebook friends with sobule so i will let you know what i hear
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
kat i just sent you a webmail
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
the example I usually bring up in music-canon circles -- and yes, I know I'm repeating myself -- is the tracks from a toni halliday/anka from clan of xymox collaboration that were posted online about a decade ago
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
(those I think might legitimately be gone on her end, it's just a matter of whether an indeterminate number of people downloaded them)
anyway this is getting way off topic
Mordy this is kind of like that:
Acts that are not on Spotify
this is the thread where you post the records you have been looking for over many moons unsuccessfully in the hopes that someone reading ilm might be able to help you out for either sexual favors or
― sleeve, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
oops I misread yr question, sorry
― katherine, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:52 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The biggest single stumbling block for me w/Spotify, which is not Spotify's fault in any way, is my enormous enthusiasm for film scores. This is a genre that lives in a unique licensing tidal zone that ensures CDs go out of print in an eyeblink and legal digital versions either never exist in the first place or disappear without warning. E.G. Jerry Goldsmith is probably the second most famous film composer of all time after Williams and only the scantiest sliver of his stuff exists on Spotify (or emusic or amazon Mp3 etc). (There are dozens and dozens of things there under his artist name but 85% are godawful recreations). (But Morricone, uniquely, is in fantastic shape on Spotify -- there's very few important scores of his you can't hear there).
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
But what the contract doesn’t stipulate is what Sony Music can and will do with the advance money. Does it go into a pot to be divided between Sony Music’s artists, or does the label keep it to itself? According to a music industry source, labels routinely keep advances for themselves.http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Shocking.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:12 (nine years ago) link
In the wake of Swift’s departure from Spotify, many musicians rallied to her cause, vilifying streaming services that paid a fraction of a penny per play. But this contract makes it clear — the pay per stream rates aren’t the only issue. According to its financial disclosures, the majority of Spotify’s revenue, around 80 percent, has been flowing out the door to the rights holders. "You can’t squeeze blood from a stone," said David Pakman, the former CEO of eMusic and partner at Venrock. "Your beef can’t be with Spotify anymore." At least not with Spotify alone.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
tbf the "music industry sources" that The Verge relies on are probably streaming music service guys and not label guys.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
they published a copy of the contract
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 01:01 (nine years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2015/05/20/new-spotify-now-video-streaming/
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Update, 16:21 BST: As you browse content to suit your mood, the new Spotify experience includes video and podcasts – the presentation just showed a Vice News broadcast.
Update, 16:18 BST: Spotify’s VP of user experience Rochelle King has taken to the stage to introduce Spotify’s new playlist feature. It allows you to browse playlists made to match up to the time of day – for example “Morning Commute” or “Evening Commute”.
Update, 16:15 BST: Spotify is introducing a “new Spotify experience” that is “more accessible, personal, and useable than anything in music.”
Update, 16:13 BST: Ek describes a “profound change” in music with discovery and collection happening on our phones. “Soon there will only be listening,” he says.
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
while i'm glad it's coming out how horrible the majors have been re: streaming, "look what horrible-for-you deals they made us sign for the right to give your music away!" doesn't exactly make spotify look good
― da croupier, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
idk it's not spotify's job to make sure the label pays its royalties. it sounds like spotify did what it should - negotiated a deal w/ the labels so it could use their music. the labels then used loopholes to not have to pay their artists.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
Update, 16:39 BST: He argues that “running to the beat” like “dancing to the beat” is much more fun. He wants Spotify help find music that fits your running pace.
Update, 16:37 BST: Chief product officer Gustav Söderström has taken to the stage, discussing music for running. He says that the music player interface hasn’t changed in 15 years.
Update, 16:34 BST: Ek also promises more “original content” coming soon.
Update, 16:33 BST: Video partners include BBC, ESPN, Vice News, Adult Swim and TED.
Update, 16:30 BST: Broad City has been selected to be part of Spotify’s video content – it doesn’t seem like full episodes, but clips you can watch during the day when you’re at a loose end.
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
i really don't need any of this garbage guys
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
so is this all going to break their various apps or what?
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
Update, 16:45 BST: The big guns are here – Tiesto’s on stage.
Update, 16:44 BST: He says he wants to keep the “runner’s high” going for the whole run – Spotify is having music specially composed for runs.
Update, 16:41 BST: Spotify is going to use the accelerometer in your phone to detect your running pace and find songs to match – he says it takes Spotify just five seconds.
loool
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
Please less Spotify algorithms trying to figure out what to play and more crowdsourcing.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
indie run
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
carefully curated artisanal exercising is the future
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
please god just pay some lawyers to innovate this shit into sustainability
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
lmao @ dumb suits
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
He says that the music player interface hasn’t changed in 15 years.
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
idk it's not spotify's job to make sure the label pays its royalties
i agree. but when you sign contracts with major labels that will clearly benefit them at the expense of artists - "loopholes" is a dubious way to describe spotify getting to take 15% off the top before accounting for gross profits, and sony getting millions in ad spots to sell - you don't also get to say you're looking out for artists. again, i'm just saying this doesn't make spotify look good.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
Spotify is having music specially composed for runs
Cool are they funding a new Kraftwerk album?
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
What's wrong with running to music with which you're already familiar?
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
We haven't changed how we run to music for 15 years, Johnny. It's time for a revolution.
― There was Bjork from Iceland and Alanis Morissette from Canada (onimo), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
xxxp it makes spotify look good in the sense that they were being blamed for the low royalty rates but it turns out that they aren't the ppl benefiting from those low rates. so they look better. it doesn't make them look like valiant crusaders for artist rights, however -- i negotiate prices for things every day. i buy things from companies and i sell things to companies (nb not in the music industry) and i write + sign lots of contracts for those transactions. i never inquire about how the company allocates its profits among employees - i don't know whether they use a fair profit-sharing program, whether they pay competitive industry rates, or whether they pay adequate commissions. i don't see it as my job to investigate the practices the company pursues w/ its employees. and i don't fault another company for signing a contract w/ Sony that doesn't benefits Sony's artists. that's 100% Sony's job. Not spotify's.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
Update, 16:46 BST: Tiësto’s had to create music at a higher BPM than usual so it can work for running.
normal music won't work see?
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
like if i do a deal with a company and they set up the contract in such a way that they don't have to pay a salesperson a commission on the job - i probably wouldn't even notice! i pay attention to the stuff that matters to my company. xp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
i use spotify while driving my car that i use so i don't have to run places
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
it doesn't make them look like valiant crusaders for artist rights, however -
i really wish you'd stopped here - which is basically what i said - instead of going into some condescending "do you understand how negotiations/capitalism/business works" bullshit that assumes i said something else
― da croupier, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
but why should they look like valiant crusaders for artist rights? they're not a non-profit pro-artist company.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
be careful driving to hiBPM Tiëstoxp
― There was Bjork from Iceland and Alanis Morissette from Canada (onimo), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
like the criticism of spotify to date has been, ime, 'spotify is not paying artists enough royalties for their songs.' to switch that to 'spotify is not working hard enough to make sure sony is paying artists enough royalties for their songs' is some weird goal post movement.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
mordy you're free to look up spotify's old pr defenses about how they're looking out for artists, indie labels, etc but i'm not going to do it for you because you're clearly determined to argue against cases i'm not making
― da croupier, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
"Crowdsourcing" and "Spotify algorithms" are really two different ways of talking about the same process, not competing alternatives.
Also, they went past it quickly in the presentation, but there's a running mode where it combines tempo-detection and your own listening to match your personal taste to your running pace. You don't have to listen to Tiesto unless you want to. Although I admit that I thought the tempo-morphing running-soundtrack didn't seem like a thing I would personally use, but then I tried it and thought it was actually pretty compelling.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
This is me too, tbh. The last time I ran for any reason was trying to catch my neighbor's dog who'd gotten out of his yard last year.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
thing is, however fast you're running, you should always be trying to keep your footstrike rate around 180bpm. having slower music is just encouraging you to run in a less efficient way (if you slow down your cadence, you lose the natural bounce in your run). maybe have calmer sounds for slower running, but you don't really want less bpm (unless it's 90bpm of course) xp
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
I just want to be able to star songs while running.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
Just kidding, I don't run with music.
i would keep stopping to see what the track was, it would be frustrating
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
― Jeff, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:03 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― check out this insane slothroprhymes yall (Spottie), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
I bike to the clip of maron's whining
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
@Glenn - I'm thinking more of trying to promote playlist-creators as user-curators than just trying to have Spotify guess what I personally would want to hear. For example, there's a dude named Reggie Prim (no idea who he is) who consistently creates great playlists full of new, semi-obscure stuff. I love listening to his playlists, and it seems like Spotify should try to promote people like that who do the work of sifting through piles of new releases to find the good stuff.
Also, I feel like there should be more work done around being able to create stations from your friends list. I'd like to be able to exclude poor-taste-having friends, or organize friends into groups, or trust their taste for one genre but not another. Obv this is not something everyone wants to do, and maybe some of this is being done behind the scenes with thumbs-up/down, but I feel like Spotify has tried to obscure the social aspects of the program lately, especially in the mobile app. Maybe I'm wrong.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
thing is, however fast you're running, you should always be trying to keep your footstrike rate around 180bpmTiesto reaching back to his old hardcore days.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
I hear you, schwantz, and agree that there's a lot of room to do more with friends and other people's playlists.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
all I want is to be able to search by username to find people. since I don't use FB, the only way (that I've figured out) for me to add a friend I know irl is to find a playlist they are following, and click on their profile through that. The same with friends who want to add me - they have to find some ILX playlist on their computer and search through all the users to get to my profile.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
That is actually in the mobile app now, which I discovered after getting all huffy about it. Just input the user's name into the search dialog.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I only use the desktop one :(
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
It might work there too?
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
well I really don't want to update my version, but I'll check
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
Yes, you can search for people by username or actual name. In the desktop version, too!
If only every "all I want is..." were this easy...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
I downgraded a while back to keep the apps (love the playlists.net app!), so I guess I lose out on this one.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I downgraded so I didn't have an enormous buggy piece of shit anymore, I am now v happy with my spotify experience and I wish them all the best with their innovative running features :-)
― time trafel 2015 💨 2012 (wins), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
friends! friends! friends! what are you doing. this is a fool's errand. give in & upgrade y'all
― markers, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
I'm personally sympathetic to people trying to hold out until Ctrl-F comes back...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
nike fit did the whole hiring artist to make music for you to run to iirchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O84WZkbFaLcde la soul too i think?
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
that's a pretty shitty audiosurf track
― katherine, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
i don't see music that matches your running tempo really setting the world on fire as a music discovery mechanism. dunno i could be wrong. (surely even better would be morphing the beat, a la ableton live, so that whatever vaguely house-tempo dance music you're listening to automagically matches your footsteps?)
in general though the durability of radio (and linear television), and the rise of the subscribable playlist, really reinforces the fact that most people just want something handed to them on a silver platter rather than having to decide each invidivual thing. i wouldn't be surprised if netflix started a set of "channels" that serve up content automatically in an effort to mimic broadcast tv. i can't tell you the number of times i've fired up netflix, searched around for upwards of 15 minutes and then just turned the TV off out of fatigue.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
although I just youtubed "audiosurf hardest track" and according to youtube's algorithm it is "thousand" by moby, so, uh
― katherine, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
i can't tell you the number of times i've fired up netflix, searched around for upwards of 15 minutes and then just turned the TV off out of fatigue.
pretty much the modern equivalent of just flipping through the channels without actually watching anything.
I also do the same thing with music. Sometimes spend the majority of my time on public transport just trying to figure out what I want to listen to.
― silverfish, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/video/netflix-introduces-new-browse-endlessly-plan-35308
― silverfish, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
spotify needs to curate more music for marathon f-zero sessions
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
tired of this slow bpm music fucking Captain Falcon's #vibe
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
algo would probably be limited to something like playinghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Guster_-_Lost_and_Gone_Forever.jpg when you've selectedhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fzero/images/d/df/GusterX.gif/revision/latest?cb=20080420030948
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
tbf, antonio guster's theme hasn’t changed in nearly 15 years
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
i think the reason that's available readily in full on youtube is because it has the fig leaf of audiosurf, so that's why i linkedtbf, i think the "procedurally generated" elements of audiosurf were always very iffy; you can always adjust it to make everything easier or harder.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
The point of matching your running pace isn't music discovery, it's enjoying your run.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
lol good point
i keep forgetting not everyone is a music nerd
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
Even music nerds are allowed to just enjoy a run without trying to collect anything during it.
That said, I've discovered quite a bit of music while working on this feature. But whereas "discovery" in other contexts often means "Oh, I am now going to go listen to all this artist's other stuff", with running music it can also be "I will put on the 145bpm reggaeton mix for pure listening pleasure after I get done with this 170bpm run".
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 May 2015 00:42 (nine years ago) link
for me it's more "are there artists who are not demonstrably horrible people [google moby] who can make the track tilt 180 DEGREES, WHAT" more than that, which probably says I need to get out more
― katherine, Friday, 22 May 2015 03:20 (nine years ago) link
I'm a fast walker/"sprinter" anyway so I'm used to whatever I am listening to being quite a bit mistimed
― katherine, Friday, 22 May 2015 03:21 (nine years ago) link
i can't run to anything under 200bpm
― brimstead, Friday, 22 May 2015 05:14 (nine years ago) link
there is something about the utilitarian aspect of music that all the music services are trying to latch onto right now which just entirely rubs me the wrong way, i.e. music to cook dinner to, music to change a baby to, music to do burpees to, etc. i probably should relax and not care. that's how most people have treated music ever since the beginnings of radio.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 May 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link
what rubs me the wrong way is the homogeneity of it...music is functional and this should totally be celebrated but there's this almost authoritarian "THIS is running music, THAT is chilling-out music" about it all. dunno how many of you saw that repulsive "life milestones" infographic going round yesterday - the ages at which Everyone Is Meant to have their first kiss, rent with friends, rent with a partner, buy their first house, become a middle manager - total rat race stuff - but the spotify announcement seemed in much the same line. do this designated activity in this designated way to this designated music and then you'll be a decent member of middle-class western society.
(fwiw, several years ago i did a big project on running music, and interviewed several djs and producers for it, and i was really surprised at the range of answers and justifications i got - no, running music doesn't have to be at a particular bpm, everyone does it differently!)
(fwiw, as a music nerd and a runner, i don't listen to music at all when i run, because that's when i clear my head and get away from music that i spent most of my non-running life listening to) (also i get tangled up in my own headphones)
― lex pretend, Friday, 22 May 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
also i am currently using spotify for once and if you're going to match anything up can you at least advertise music that has some vague resemblance to what i'm listening to? this caterwauling rock dude in the middle of my afropop, fuck off :(
― lex pretend, Friday, 22 May 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
please link that infograph I didn't see it
― Mordy, Friday, 22 May 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
yeah, running is actually my favorite time to listen to classical music! it's one of the few times i'm able to actually listen in detail and thoroughly get into it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
also podcasts. maybe spotify could match the pace of my footfalls with appropriate spoken subject material.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
There's something very Compilation Zeitgeist about those playlists, like they're designed to appeal to people who are a bit insecure about picking the appropriate social context for music. There's one called 'Hipster House Party' that surely no real hipster would touch with a bargepole.
― Matt DC, Friday, 22 May 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5e/89/d2/5e89d2b0e549f7424783c6b1e20c17a5.jpg
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
i listen to lots of songs while i jog that i would never listen to otherwise but it don't mean my tastes change completely
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 May 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
Right, so the "personal" running mode tries to pick songs that are both good for running to the beat, and either songs you've played a lot, or things we think are in the same vein as things you've played a lot. Nobody is trying to make you run to any particular music you don't like.
But the running app is very definitely for running to a beat. Lots of people run to music or podcasts or whatever, and there doesn't need to be any special mode for that. But if you want to run to the beat, it has been next to impossible historically, because you had no good way to even find a critical mass of songs at a given tempo to begin with, never mind how much you like them or how good they are for running.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 May 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Def in a Stereo Mood right now.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 May 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
Never say that Spotify won't listen to user complaints, the latest mobile update fixed the issue with connecting to BMW ConnectedDrive.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 23 May 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
so is the running thing live yet or....? would like to try it.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
It's rolling out gradually, but you ought to have it soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
NYT article yesterday about the Sony leak, no new information that I could see
― sleeve, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
Evidently the new windows version of spotify has playlist searching back? But not for local files. Mac version doesn't seem to have been updated yet.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 11:47 (nine years ago) link
Controlling my phone with the PC interface seems to work really well now. Which is great because it saves me from needing to buy a DAC for my laptop.
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
Not being able to resize columns now is a reeeeeeal bummer
― Spottie, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
New mac version this morning has playlist filtering. Still totally incapable of handling my local music library though.
― Jeff, Friday, 29 May 2015 12:11 (nine years ago) link
i'm trying to find the old spotify version from before the awful March upgrade. anybody have a link?
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 04:23 (nine years ago) link
the thread linked above that had the old version has been deleted.
the new version is still. completely. unusable.
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Aw shit, I had the exe saved on my desktop until just a couple days ago. I could've sent it to you.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 04:50 (nine years ago) link
crut, this still seems to have working dls for PC and Machttp://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4430815
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link
wow local file management on spotify is hot garbage- either it doesn't recognize or play tracks at all, or it will produce three entries for a single track. sort of ridiculous
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
or it will add only some tracks from an album despite all the .wavs/.mp3s whatever being in the same folder... ostensibly they should all appear in the local files list but it just never happens. even when spotify is open I right click on a track and specifically select 'open with spotify' and they still don't play
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
So spotify will have until September 30th to get their shit together. I've never been so happy to use iTunes again.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:42 (nine years ago) link
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
really? hard for me to imagine apple improving on spotify at this point
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
The fact that Apple Music is going to be nested inside the iTunes Store is almost certainly a dealbreaker for me unless they totally revamp that horribly bulky and slow piece of shit software.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:59 (nine years ago) link
^this.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
Not having to use the spotify app is improving on spotify. As long as I can get most of what I listened to on spotify, I can't thing of a reason not to switch.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
But I've never had issues with iTunes. In fact, I quite like it.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 03:10 (nine years ago) link
The fact that Apple Music is going to be nested inside the iTunes Store is almost certainly a dealbreaker for me
Where are you reading that? Everything I'm seeing suggests that this is an entirely new app -- if anything it sounds like it might have a store nested within it, not the other way around?
I'm mostly curious to know if it's going to support Sonos . . . that's my dealbreaker.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
Ooops, just saw Sonos announced that Apple Music won't be available. I'm out.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:08 (nine years ago) link
So with Spotify I still can't even filter/search my local files since the desktop downgrade. It's been months and it's absurd.
As I understand it, with Apple Music I'll be able to have all of my local tracks in the cloud along with access to all of Apple Music's catalog. This is the killer aspect for me, to be able to listen to all of my music and all of a streaming catalog on the go - and to be able to properly see them on my laptop.
Is there something I'm missing about the other services that is equivalent?
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:19 (nine years ago) link
From http://www.apple.com/music/
http://i.imgur.com/1uKDhew.png
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
I suspect (it's just a guess) that the iTunes software works loads better on a Mac than on a PC. Or not. I mean, it must work well enough for it to have hung around as long as it has, but I absolutely hate it (on a PC).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
Oh, that doesn't look promising. ITunes does in fact work fine on my Mac, but the interface has gotten way too clumsy as the software has taken on new roles.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:51 (nine years ago) link
“Sonos will not have Apple Music on it at launch but we fully expect to support them when they’re ready to focus on the home listening experience. Right now they’re fully focused on mobile .”
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link
I suspect (it's just a guess) that the iTunes software works loads better on a Mac than on a PC. Or not. I mean, it must work well enough for it to have hung around as long as it has, but I absolutely hate it (on a PC)
Yeah I have a Mac and never quite understood the hatred this program gets (I can understand a lot of complains aimed at Apple's way of doing things in general though) until a friend who's on a PC tried to explain to me how iTunes worked on his computer. It seemed like a totally different program, and one that was very shitty by the sounds of it. That was a few years ago so maybe iTunes PC has gotten better but either way if it really functioned like he told me I understand people hating it. Weird that they would make something that shitty.
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 10:02 (nine years ago) link
iTunes is immensely better on a mac.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 11:06 (nine years ago) link
Why is Apple even bothering to put this on iTunes? Surely there's more value in signing a few exclusive mega-deals, watching as music starts disappearing from Spotify, and using it to drive sales of iPhones?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 12:56 (nine years ago) link
Hope that doesn't happen
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
They're saying it won't be available "at launch"
Yeah, but I read the rest of their statement -- "we fully expect to support them when they’re ready to focus on the home listening experience" -- as a diplomatic way of saying don't hold your breath. People have been asking Apple to make iTunes Radio available through Sonos for two years. Since Beats Music was already available through Sonos I thought it was a possibility for the rebranded service, but if they're withdrawing support now I suspect they don't plan to reintroduce it. The thing with Sonos is that you access all of your audio -- on-demand streaming, radio, podcasts, local music, etc. -- through the Sonos app (whether desktop or mobile), and Apple generally seems wary of giving up that control over the user experience.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
As I understand it, with Apple Music I'll be able to have all of my local tracks in the cloud along with access to all of Apple Music's catalog. This is the killer aspect for me, to be able to listen to all of my music and all of a streaming catalog on the go - and to be able to properly see them on my laptop.Is there something I'm missing about the other services that is equivalent?
I've been using Google Play Music to do this for years
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
iTunes on a PC is bad like spotify on anything. That bad.
― joked for the dadness (wins), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
xpost, ok. I've been spotify for so long that I haven't really looked at anything else.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
iTunes sucks on a mac too. So much.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
How?
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
It cannot recognize compilations correctly (at least sometimes), it seems determined to get rid of list view, it's larded up with videos and movies, the iPhone UI tool is a joke, wireless syncing works only sporadically.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Exactly how is itunes on a PC different from on Mac?
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
i still hate iTunes on my mac
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
itunes on a pc sounds like pc music on a mac
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
It cannot recognize compilations correctly (at least sometimes), it seems determined to get rid of list view, it's larded up with videos and movies, the iPhone UI tool is a joke, wireless syncing works only sporadically.― schwantz, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:55 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― schwantz, Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:55 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If it isn't recognizing compilations, edit the metadata to indicate it is comp. I find that a lot of people's problems with iTunes ultimately boil down to a poorly maintained library.
In regards to list view, yes that is annoying, but if it was spotify, they would remove it completely and never give it back instead of just burying it in the options.
Agree with the wireless syncing though.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
It loads slow and sucks up a lot of CPU juice. If you're opening iTunes, it's about the only thing you'd better be doing on your PC until you close it.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
In this case, the metadata says comp, but it stubbornly refuses to group them together in Album view.
TBF, I did the downgrade thing on Spotify, so it's not like I love their latest app. I'm just skeptical when people think Apple's going to jump into a space where it doesn't have a good track record (cloud anything) and somehow fix all of the problems that Spotify has been working on for 5 years.
I'm hopeful that Apple's service will light a fire under Spotify to work on features that I want, though!
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
I've found that issues with compilation sorting in iTunes is often due to the "album artist" metadata. That needs to be blank for the comp to be sorted with the others at the end of the list, but it often has "various" or the name of the artist who put the comp together in there. Clear out that entry and you should be ok.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Made the Album Artist a space, and that worked! Thanks!
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
iTunes wins! Death to Spotify!
― Jeff, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 00:20 (nine years ago) link
if you're just getting out of streaming entirely, there are probably several media players that are significantly less shitty than itunes
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
At this point, iTunes is for mixtapes and my own music only.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
Nobody using Plex? Since they updated their music capabilities a couple months ago it's been fantastic for me. It now basically works like Google Music/iTunes without all the cloud nonsense inbetween & no max nr of tracks limit.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:46 (nine years ago) link
They took away the copy and paste feature to create playlists.
That is insane.
― pplains, Friday, 12 June 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link
Ha, oh wait.
I couldn't get this to work, and it looked like it wasn't working for anyone else either.
But I just pasted in the top part of the window, where the playlist name is, instead of down in the lower part, where the song titles appear (and where I used to always paste).
Anyway. Howya doin'?
― pplains, Friday, 12 June 2015 02:31 (nine years ago) link
http://pando.com/2015/06/12/is-spotify-doomed-because-of-apple-music-no-spotifys-been-doomed-from-the-start/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
"And finally, while $9.99 a month may be an enormously good bargain for access to 20 million songs — especially considering the average price for a single compact disk in 2000 was $14.04 — that amounts to an annual rate of $120, which is far more than consumers have ever spent on music. At the height of the industry, Americans only spent $28 a year on recorded music."
Hmm, $28 seems low. Let's see what the actual link says, shall we?
"At the 1999 peak of the recorded music market, about $40 billion of recorded music was sold. How much did the average consumer spend per year on recorded music? Hundreds of dollars? Nope. At the time, according to the music trade group International Federation for the Phonographic Industry, across the total 18-and-over population (both across many countries or individually within one), the average amount spent came to $28 per consumer.
But that includes people who did not buy any music that year. If we look at just the consumers who bought music, they spent $64 on average that year."
Ah, yes, that includes people WHO DID NOT BUY ANY MUSIC THAT YEAR, which makes the number completely irrelevant and you guys are terrible journalists.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
that number is not completely irrelevant.
if apple music makes that number (the average spent on music by all people) go up then it seems literally the most relevant statistic possible.
looking only at people who spent something other than zero is not useful. the number or fraction of people who spent something other than zero has changed.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
what if in 1990 it was one dude spending $100m and no one else spending anything. then your number would by $100m, but the average including everyone else would be $0.33 for a 300m population. do you think the music industry pays more attention to the first number or the second number?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
it's like calculating average household income but excluding all the households in which no one has a job. i mean you can do it, but it's probably not what you're trying to measure.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
i found the article a little confused so mea culpa if i got this wrong but it seems like the reason spotify is doomed is bc they aren't yet profitable and that's bc (this author theorizes) the music industry is too powerful to allow spotify to make the revenue it needs to succeed?
― Mordy, Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
But the whole thrust of this piece is "how much are people who buy music willing to spend on buying music?" It's not being treated as a general expense.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
Kind of miss the torrenting days at this point
― calstars, Sunday, 14 June 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
Not me. Keeping up a proper ratio was hard work, because I was downloading stuff nobody else was downloading from me!
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 14 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
yes the article is a bit confused/ing
i think the general points are 1) freemium is bad for profitability since most people pay $0 2) the 'music industry' have played their hand well by refusing to kill spotify (and freemium) yet so they have an alternative when negotiating with apple, but 3) they want apple's approach to win.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
The case Ek keeps making is that the ad-supported free tier in Spotify leads to more paid subscriptions. Apple believes this too, of course, thus the three-month free trial they are offering everybody. This is the same thing Beats tried on their own (via an AT&T deal). So the only real argument here is about how long the free trial period should be. Apple thinks it should be 3 months, although it's not clear whether that's just an intro offer for while the service is new. Beats thought the free trial should be 14 days, unless you signed up with AT&T, in which case you got 90 days. Google and Tidal both think it should be 30 days. Spotify thinks it should be as long as it takes. At the moment you can also get a 3-month barely-paid trial of Spotify Premium for $.99. People keep portraying this as a philosophical issue, but I think it's actually just a practical one. Everybody is testing price points and discounts and levels and special offers to see how people react. And Spotify subscriber growth got dramatically faster after we expanded the ad-supported level on mobile, so it looks like a pretty sane course at the moment, businesswise. (You can't judge profitability by current Spotify results, since we're deliberately expanding ahead of revenues.)
But if you want a moral dimension, note that Apple is apparently not paying any royalties during their trial period, whereas Spotify pays royalties for all listening. So it'll be interesting to see how much unpaid streaming of, e.g., Taylor Swift gets generated by Apple Music during free trials of a service with "no free option". (And Pandora and YouTube pay lower rates than Spotify already.)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 14 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
The time it would take me to recreate my S playlists in Apple music is enough to keep me with S.
― calstars, Sunday, 14 June 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
"as long as it takes" and "x days" are very different
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 June 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
But if you want a moral dimension, note that Apple is apparently not paying any royalties during their trial period, whereas Spotify pays royalties for all listening.
funny how that's not been mentioned
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 14 June 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
That is a dick move by Apple.
― calstars, Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Sorry if this a newbie question, but is it known which of the streaming services pays the most to the artist / label?
― calstars, Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Because $10 a month seems very cheap to me. I would pay double if it meant that much more would go to the artist.
― calstars, Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link
unless you're a mega star, you're not making money from spotify. $0.006 and $0.0084 per stream
― brimstead, Sunday, 14 June 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
To pick a random example, take Courtney Barnett, who I'd consider a somewhat successful emerging artist. You can see stream counts for her top 10 songs in the Spotify client, from which you can estimate that her double EP and album have combined for somewhere on the order of 25,000,000 streams, which would be worth somewhere around $150,000-$200,000 in Spotify payments to her label (5/6ths) and her publishing company (1/6th).
How much of that money gets to her depends on her label/publishing deals. But it's real money, at least. And remember that Spotify still represents a pretty small fraction of the overall streaming industry, and streaming is a very small piece of the overall music industry.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 15 June 2015 00:22 (nine years ago) link
Great example, thanks Glenn
I feel like my math is probably wrong, but using $175,000 from the example equates to about $1 per 142 streams. Could that be right?
― calstars, Monday, 15 June 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
It would match with what brimstead said
― calstars, Monday, 15 June 2015 01:53 (nine years ago) link
Also I'm surprised Courtney B is that popular
― calstars, Monday, 15 June 2015 01:54 (nine years ago) link
Right, the published figure is a range from $.006/stream to $.084. (http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained) I usually just simplify to $.007 for rough estimates. So ~150 streams = $1. Billboard treats 1500 streams as the equivalent of an album sale, so that's about the same.
This is often the point where people say "Wait, it takes 1500 streams to equal an album sale, but I bought a lot of albums that I didn't play 1500 times!"
But the dynamics of streaming are wildly different than the dynamics of album listening. You didn't play your copy 1500 times, sure. Actually, this is songs, not albums, but you might not have played your 10-song album 150 times, either. But in streaming, you don't have to buy the album. All the people who didn't buy your album might still stream some of its songs. If one of your songs gets added to a popular playlist, it could get streamed 100,000 times in a single day. Rachel Platten's "Fight Song" has been streamed almost 8 million times (for >$50,000 already), and it doesn't even have an album you can buy. "Uptown Funk" has been streamed about 350,000,000 times, which is worth well over $2 million. And that's just from Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 15 June 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
That's all v interesting but have you changed your brand colour? The green is looking slightly bluer this morning.
― ledge, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
^^^ just came here to post this! I like the bluey green!
― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 15 June 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
But are stars back???
― Jeff, Monday, 15 June 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link
thats really all i want. it was my fav thing about spotify
― Spottie, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/06/15/its-just-a-color/
"Spotify changed the color of its icon and it’s driving people crazy"
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
fwiw, I'm a fan of the yellower green. This branding update is DOGSHIT ;)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
old color >>>
― Spottie, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
was beginning to think I'd somehow developed sudden-onset colorblindness until I actually clicked and realized I just hadn't gotten the update
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 15 June 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
Coca-Cola has a signature shade of red. T-Mobile has a signature shade of pink. Spotify has (had?) a signature shade of green. Time has shown that you can fuck around with the typeface, shape or flatness of your logo and people will adjust, but if you change the color of it, then people get totally discombobulated. This is Branding 101.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
i know this isn't how it works but i like to imagine that the team responsible to returning ctrl+f functions to local files search have instead been hard at work changing the color
― Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 00:08 (nine years ago) link
There was a time when the logo was kind of intentionally battered looking - had some blemishes on it or something
― calstars, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
Android still has the old logo, I feel like a second-class citizen
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
"overripe avocado"
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
Anybody try this? When I hit "more" button to choose more artists I "love" it presents me with the likes of Derulo and Skrillex; nice idea though
https://spotify-tasterewind.com/
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
tried that, and it's terrible in countless ways, but mostly i was wondering why ralph tresvant repeatedly showed up among the relatively small list of artists i'm able to "love" to get this thing started. kanye, drake, hozier, avicii, skrillex and ... ralph tresvant???
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I think that Taste Rewind thing wasn't actually supposed to be announced yet. There's some intermittent problem that results in some people getting an un-personalized list of artists to pick from (just the most popular), instead of ones you've actually played. They're working on it.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
That would explain it!
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Example of why the new brand color sucks:
http://i.imgur.com/IVO9mgvl.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
Sayin' it needs a white background?
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
Apparently, Spotify's design group referred to the old color as "broccoli," but whatever they called it, it stood apart from most other app icons (especially on iOS).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
If that was broccoli, this is mint chocolate chip.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
I'm have OCD about storage space and my usage on my stupid phone. That's why it kills me that there's no way to clear the cache. No way to remove what you downloaded last week but decided you don't need this week. You're stuck with it until you delete and reinstall!
― calstars, Thursday, 18 June 2015 01:48 (nine years ago) link
yep. so i delete and reinstall about once a month.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Right. And then you have to re-download the stuff you still want. Ehhhh
― calstars, Thursday, 18 June 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
To be fair, not just a Spotify problem--all apps are like that, aren't they?
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 June 2015 03:29 (nine years ago) link
I don't have that problem with my Spotify app - but then, like the desktop app, it's at least two years old (it even has starring, woo).
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 18 June 2015 07:51 (nine years ago) link
I know you can clear an app's cache on Android, but I don't remember if you can do it on an iPhone.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 18 June 2015 08:06 (nine years ago) link
wait how many tracks do i need to listen to to ensure spotify are making a loss
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 18 June 2015 08:12 (nine years ago) link
Aren't they already losing money?
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 18 June 2015 09:12 (nine years ago) link
Prompted to install a new version this morning. Still won't load my local files. C'mon Apple Music!!!
Does spotify publish a change log for these new versions? Would love to see the features they remove each time instead of just stumbling upon them and upping my rage randomly throughout the day.
― Jeff, Thursday, 18 June 2015 11:20 (nine years ago) link
Google music lets you manage (remove) downloads. Not sure if apple will allow this.
― calstars, Thursday, 18 June 2015 12:06 (nine years ago) link
Apple will apparently not carry matador, rough trade, xl, 4AD on streaming for the momenthttp://beggars.com/group/pressrelease/90/with-regards-to-apple-music
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
No Scott then :(
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
nah, Creed is on Wind-up
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
lool so no adele or jack white then, sweet deal for your customers apple
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
it is sort of nuts that they didn't get that shit worked out prior to launch... they've had years to discuss it!http://www.fastcodesign.com/3043547/spotifys-new-look-signals-its-identity-shift
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Apple Music advertising has prominently featured some artists signed to those labels, including FKA Twigs and Alabama Shakes
― Lee626, Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
xpost wow. so bold.
― schwantz, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
i like the new green
― example (crüt), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
it's spending 5,000,000 years dragging & dropping a song to a different place in a playlist that bothers me
― example (crüt), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
xpost Is there a thread for this style of breathless brand-identity snake oil?
― schwantz, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
i think there was one that included the famous pepsi logo documents
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
If only they had curated 12 perfect colors for their marketing materials, I would have signed up for Spotify years ago!
― schwantz, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link
http://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
― schwantz, Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not really snake-oil oriented, but maybe worth a peek: Design Crimes: corporations ditching classic logos for newer logos that are duds
― here i am in the land of large breakfasts (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
whoa that doc is insaneo
― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
ha the old timey pepsi logo looks kinda black metalish
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
If there was an audio version, it would be read by Tom Cruise.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/pepsigravitationalfield-090413113629-phpapp01/95/breathtaking-pepsi-27-728.jpg%3Fcb%3D1421229359
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
To count as a play, does it matter whether or not the song is saved for offline use?
In a vacation scenario in which you're offline for a week but listening to tracks -- and then you come home and go back online -- does the app upload all the usage information at that point?
― calstars, Saturday, 20 June 2015 12:35 (nine years ago) link
things like that drive me absolutely kookuroo
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
Yes, offline listening gets logged offline and then reported when you next connect.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 20 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
:D
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 June 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
http://taylorswift.tumblr.com/post/122071902085/to-apple-love-taylor
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 June 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
"we don't ask you for free iPhones"
truthbomb.jpg
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
she must be on a PAYG sim
― There was Bjork from Iceland and Alanis Morissette from Canada (onimo), Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
http://time.com/3929784/taylor-swift-apple-open-letter-eddy-cue/
Oh to be a fly on the wall of Apple's accounting department right now.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:19 (nine years ago) link
t swift running the music biz
― Spottie, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:37 (nine years ago) link
17 hours!
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 June 2015 07:50 (nine years ago) link
they won't care. this is a rounding error in their revenue and cash reserves. (which is why it was so shitty that they did it in the first place.)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 June 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
This is about the young songwriter who just got his or her first cut and thought that the royalties from that would get them out of debt.
heh
― example (crüt), Monday, 22 June 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
good work Taylor!
I'm have OCD about storage space and my usage on my stupid phone. That's why it kills me that there's no way to clear the cache. No way to remove what you downloaded last week but decided you don't need this week. You're stuck with it until you delete and reinstall!― calstars, Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― calstars, Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:48 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wait this can't be right -- you're telling me if you make an album available offline, it's there until you delete and reinstall Spotify and there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it?
also how fucked is it that you can't view album or track lengths in iOS, what the hell is this shit?
― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 22 June 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
wish taylor had signed off that letter with a p.s., please stream at 320kbps
― dutch_justice, Monday, 22 June 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
"or I'm going PONO only"
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 June 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
Stevie - yeah. That's my main sticking point with the app.
― calstars, Monday, 22 June 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
Apple backed off and will now pay royalties during trial period.
― schwantz, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
Those royalties go straight to music execs more or less, so yay
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
just me or is anyone else getting a FULL 30-second ad every time they play an official video on YouTube?
are they ratcheting it up?
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 June 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
just you i think. everyone else is running an ad blocker.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 27 June 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 June 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link
can I also complain how iOS Spotify doesn't display full track titles if they're more than idk 25 characters or so? And I am still miffed about not displaying album or track lengths anywhere, despite them being displayed in the desktop app.
― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 29 June 2015 13:22 (nine years ago) link
Why is Spotify's search function now so regularly terrible? I don't particularly care about how it deals with my offline library or whether or not I can star tracks, but I would like to be able to search for a globally famous artist without it just hanging there forever.
At this point in time they really should not be fucking up such basic stuff.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 13:57 (nine years ago) link
Apple Music launches in 15 minutes. Assuming you can upload your iOS at the time.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
I want apple music reports from y'all.
My particular bent: I want to upload shit tons of my own library to it, including stuff that already exists in their official cloud but where I want to be able to listen to my own rips either because I prefer a prior remastering or because the official streaming versions are marred by universal music group watermarks. E.g. The steely dan catalog. Will I have to retag my versions as "steely dan jl" or some shit or will it just let me do this?
Also, will cached content be playable using apps like can opener which can see my phone's iTunes music library? I'm assuming not but it would be amazing if yes since can opener has customizable eq and crossfeed.
Also, can you upload your own library stuff from several computers (e.g. home MacBook, work PC)?
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
official streaming versions are marred by universal music group watermarks. E.g. The steely dan catalog
wait what is this? I have never heard of this
― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
Should there be a dedicated thread for Apple music? This one feels dirty with all my spotify complaining.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Jon you should start a separate thread for the Universal watermarks, you have been a great source of info on that
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
also, yes to a separate Apple Music thread
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Apple Music
― Jeff, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:31 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in a nutshell because I have trouble typing much these days due to repetitive stress injury:
everything supplied to the digital domain (itunes, spotify, emusic, HDTracks, Amazon, etc) by all UMG labels (Decca, ECM, Motown, Arista, Geffen, etc) had this 'watermarking' in it which was supposed to be benign and inaudible but in fact was horribly audible especially on cymbals, acoustic guitars, pianos and backing vocals. Not sure of the exact mechanism but it sounds like a notch on a specific frequency that oscillates on and off. Basically makes certain vulnerable timbres sound underwatery. The tech was supposed to let UMG be able to tell where illegally shared files were originally purchased from. Laughably, the only place you could buy undistorted files was from UMG's own digital store.
Where UMG supplied lossless source files to the digital vendors (some of them work this way, I know emusic would get lossless files from UMG and then encode them), the watermarks were in those lossless files already.
Starting sometime in mid-2013, to my ear anyway, they either stopped this practice or switched to a new setting which really is inaudible. I have not heard the distortion on any UMG stuff added to the digital domain since about june 2013. (This includes new reissue/box set configurations of stuff they'd already put up in the watermark era)
That leaves an immense immense amount of catalog still sounding like shit, though. I have not done a relisten to things like Steely Dan in a while to see if maybe UMG did a mass reup of unwatermarked files. I guess I assumed they have not since it would be such a big task, but I should check.
Anyways, this has never been officially acknowledged by UMG or any digital vendor (I have to think the vendors were really angry), but AFAIC it's a fact. It was driving me crazy just by ear for about a year until I searched around online and found people with better tech skills than me who'd been hearing the same thing who'd figured it out.
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
just did a relisten to three UMG tracks which were definitely awful last time.
Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy - My Old School - it's still evident on the backing vox and saxes when they have longer notes. Doesn't sound quite as hideous as I remember but it's there. Reminiscent of 128kbps mp3 compression. Unable to stop myself, I compared all the versions of this song on spotify. The ones from the Show Biz Kids and Definitive Steely Dan comps are the same. BUT the Citizen Steely Dan one sounds not watermarked to me...??? Maybe UMG only added the Citizen box set to the digital marketplace in the last 2 years? Moving on to "Your Gold Teeth II" with its exposed piano writing, the Citizen version sounds good, the Katy Lied version sounds horrible, really bad fluttering in the piano decay. I guess Citizen is the way to go for your steely dan needs on spotify!
James Newton Howard - King Kong film score - first track - unbelievably distorted. Sounds like it's being performed through a fan. As bad as I remembered.
Martha Argerich - Schumann: Kinderszenen and Kreisleriana - first track of Kreisleriana - unlistenably fluttery just like before, dear god shut it off please
Conclusion based on tiny sample size: most of the watermarked shit has not been re-upped, maybe none of it (but the Citizen Steely Dan case intrigues -- I need to figure out when it was brought to the digital domain)
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
it's this kind of confusion that makes me miss the old mp3 days
― calstars, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
"Tired of the old green? Try our new shade. Upgrade today."
― Jeff W, Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
If you've ever suspected that people in other places know about cool music you've never heard, now you can hear how right you were.
https://insights.spotify.com/us/2015/07/13/musical-map-of-the-world/
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 17 July 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
Rad!
― schwantz, Friday, 17 July 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
Discover Weekly
Spotify bites back at Apple Music with weekly ‘mixtape’ playlist for each userhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/20/spotify-apple-music-weekly-mixtape-playlist
Discover Weekly will offer two hours of music based on users’ listening habits and those of similar fans
it's gone live
― djmartian, Monday, 20 July 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
lol I just noticed that this morning. Saw some objectionable bullshit on there, unfollowed it immediately.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
hey music services, stop trying to be me
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 July 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Johnny Fever, I'm curious what kind of objectionable you mean.
This isn't my personal feature, but the point is not to be you, it's to help you hear stuff that you might not encounter on your own because you're only one of you.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 20 July 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
There were several artists on there (Father John Misty, Bon Iver, etc) that I spend time not on Spotify badmouthing at every opportunity, and I can't figure out why they were recommended to me considering a spend a lot of time on Spotify listening to pop/alt pop/80s music/vintage funk and soul.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
it's asking a bit much of spotify to know how often you bad-mouth bon iver on the internet, no?
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 20 July 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
I'm not asking them to. I'm explaining why I unfollowed their playlist.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
haha glenn i know. i always bridle at algorithmic recs, no matter how good, i think it's a way of asserting my humanity
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 July 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
johnny fever it sounds like maybe streaming isn't for you but have you considered the curative curating connoisseurship of #VNYL and their #vibesystem?
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 20 July 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
One of the reasons I stopped using last.fm was because of their dubious recommendations. No, I do not want to listen to fucking Kajagoogoo, thank you very much.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Monday, 20 July 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
I would do that with no hesitation at all (or a similar job anywhere else), but it's all who you know and I don't know anybody. (Though I did have a twitter exchange with one of the people at VNYL who does that when I called out their service for selling people Goodwill junk records.)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
My auto-generated algorithmic playlist is actually very good - mostly acts I've not heard before, spanning a fairly representative range of the sort of current stuff I'm listen to. There are some misfires, but they're of the "I see why you would have thought that" type.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 20 July 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
It's also vastly more on-point than Start Playlist Radio has ever managed to be.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 20 July 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
it's not so bad! i also appreciate that it works on v 0.8.5
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 July 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
My Discover Weekly is pretty strongly conditioned by the fact that I use Spotify only to listen to ILX best of year playlists
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 20 July 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
In case you're wondering what Spotify thinks listeners of ILX best of 2014 playlists want to listen to, it's
DJ Dodger StadiumEno . HydeFuture BrownHundred WatersWildbirds & PeacedrumsPanda Bear18+Tennis
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 20 July 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
If you've ever suspected that people in other places know about cool music you've never heard, now you can hear how right you were.https://insights.spotify.com/us/2015/07/13/musical-map-of-the-world/― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:18 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:18 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hi how do I get these links to open in spotify standalone and not my browser?
― example (crüt), Monday, 20 July 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
When they come up in the browser, just hit "Play on Spotify" and they should start playing in the regular Spotify client.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 20 July 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
I bet mine has been curated by Glenn himself in an attempt to get me to listen to his fave girly metal. I know your game pal!
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 20 July 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
Hmmm, my auto-generated playlist just alternates tracks by Big Country and Juliana Hatfield. What the hell!
― dlp9001, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
I actually don't have mine yet so presumably Glenn is working on it ;)
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Monday, 20 July 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
mine is disconcertingly accurate to my tastes, to the point of including several of my favourite songs and making me worry that spotify actually is keeping track of what artists I bad mouth on the internet.
― pop addicts should "do their thing", whatever that may be (soref), Monday, 20 July 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
just pulled mine up: a mix of artists I was aware of already and are lukewarm on (iamwhoiamwhoami, little boots, florrie), artists I was aware of via reviewing them (to be fair, this is the most stupidly niche "complaint" anyone can have and I feel bad for having it), a few genuine lolwuts (task: purge my music library of anything that would prompt the Fifty Shades of Grey soundtrack, quarantine the track on a flash drive, burn it) and, heartening, some great tracks I would probably not have encountered (this Saâda Bonaire track is great, so is this Jaakko Eino Kalevi which is almost eerily the sort of thing I want to hear right now, this Man Without Country track).
verdict: not bad! actually far better than I was expecting! clearly I need to seed it with more of the latter.
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 20 July 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Hi Glenn - Any way to have Spotify ignore collaborative playlists in their algorithms? Maybe they already do? I have a collaborative playlist for work that has a fair amount of stuff in it that I don't love. Maybe I just need to not be the guy playing that playlist?
― schwantz, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
Right, it's the playing that's causing you trouble, not the playlist itself. Make somebody else play it. Or just make sure you play your own stuff more.
(We're also working on better methods than that for the future...)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
[And just to be clear: This great Discover Weekly feature is the work of an excellent team at Spotify NYC, not me.]
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
Ah, so the algorithm only uses what you've listened to, and not what you have in Your Music? Good deal
― calstars, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
I would be surprised if it didn't use all information it can obtain - some signals will be given a heavier weight if they are more reliable though.
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 20 July 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
Will we ever be able to rate songs?
― collectivegaze, Monday, 20 July 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
Or a binary rating system, like starring/unstarring?
― Jeff, Monday, 20 July 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
I got a ton of bad shit but discovered Ryley Walker so it's even i guess. the problem for me is that it's clearly based on a popularity algorithm so your not really getting any deep cuts from artist you like but haven't fully dug into. there was maybe three artist that i actively listen to out of 30. i mean i guess it's called discovery or whatever but the "here's what's popular that vaguely sounds like what you listen to" vibe is a turn off.
― Heez, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 03:38 (nine years ago) link
my generated playlist isn't bad but "FRESH MUSIC" is kind of an odd one since it has two dead rappers (ODB and Tupac) and a bunch of '70s/early '80s New York rock (Dolls, Sonic Youth, etc.)
plus something called Diarrhea Planet
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
okay i also got "long distance love" by little feat so prob worth it.
― Heez, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 04:21 (nine years ago) link
this update is a 1 out of 10. approximately zero things are now improved.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 04:58 (nine years ago) link
the circle of dots while the program loads seems to last longer and longer after every update.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 05:01 (nine years ago) link
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
got recommended Selda in my playlist, I'm happy to sort through the chaff for one or two things like that a week
― ogmor, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:57 (nine years ago) link
selda is legit the greatest - i was just listening to the self-titled last night
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
Just saw my Discover Playlist.
http://i.imgur.com/0PMrAxS.png
I'm not 52 years old, but I am listening to the whole thing.
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
here's mine:
http://i61.tinypic.com/f2prpx.png
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
I got a Hop Along track as well. It's good. Then I found a couple more, and they're good as well. But my best Discover find is a recent comeback from St Germain, of all people; the added Malian instrumentation works very well indeed.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Okay, so the one I got probably isn't as bad after all as I'd originally made it out to be (for instance, there isn't actually any Bon Iver on it), but I think I was just unimpressed because I either already know most of what's presented or at least know I don't care to hear it.
http://i.imgur.com/I79MVg6.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
that ata kak is great, johnny - don't know if you've already heard it. what's the st germain comeback w/ the malian instrumentation?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, seandalai turned me on to Ata Kak a few months ago (probably without his knowledge—I just follow his playlist).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
my Discover playlist is weirdly biased towards new songs with 4-on-the-floor beats compared to the stuff I usually listen to. what is the logic behind this?
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
You broke it.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
i still dont have it
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
the algorithm broke for you because it couldn't find a Lindstrøm track that sounds like Barón Rojo
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
Discover Weekly is rolling out in stages, so if you don't have it in your playlist list yet, hang in there.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
I had the same Tanlines and BC Camplight tracks in my playlist. The St Germain track is called "Real Blues".
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
i used to like st germain a lot. first album was great
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
I'll say this: At least I didn't get one of these from Spotify.
http://i.imgur.com/0uri1gj.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
I quite liked the Unkown Mortal Orchestra track on mine. The Mikal Cronin-Ty Segall axis isnt my thing tho
― tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
I just like to assume that Glenn McDonald is responsible for all music related algorthms that pop up online, or at least the ones involving listener habits and discovery, and any problems with them are directly his fault. It makes it easier that way.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
Glenn - Do you guys ever plan to have smart playlists like in iTunes? Like, I could save a set of search criteria as a "smart playlist" and it would update every time I open it (or in the background would be even better!). I would love this so much.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
Oh, it already has tons of kudos in the suggestion forum: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Smart-playlists/idi-p/18549
― schwantz, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that's a well-supported suggestion.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link
My discover playlist wasn't bad - I listened to it yesterday and only rarely skipped anything (also rarely checked to see exactly what I was hearing).It was all indie rock - slightly craggier than your average NPR pick. I like that stuff fine but I also listen to A LOT of ambient and that area of my listening wasn't reflected at all.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
I have always wanted and still want to follow labels but I guess we're a distance from that implementation-wise.
My Discover Weekly is fine and I'm happy it exists but slightly off-target nonetheless. Like everyone else I have recommendations for Nite Fields (who?), Tala and Sharon Von Etten.
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
I know there's a way to search labels (mentioned up thread). I got super anal about the labels I really had interest in that are on Spotify - made my own playlists for Kranky, Type, Touch, and Erased Tapes (all public playlists fwiw). I just update them whenever I hear about new releases. But then I've always liked doing that kind of thing manually...
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
interesting read about the inner workings of spotify re: big data / knowledge organisation related to music listening ad discovery
Inside Spotify’s Hunt for the Perfect Playlisthttp://www.wired.com/2015/07/spotify-perfect-playlist/
― djmartian, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
good systems
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
I haven't got mine yet
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
Oops!
http://i.imgur.com/35bCDSN.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 July 2015 01:20 (nine years ago) link
Funny enough on its own, but what's even funnier is that the album's title got changed to that by an update from the label in late 2009, and seems to have been that way ever since.
I'll see if I can get it fixed.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 23 July 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
oooh just received minehttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1484956/spotify%20discover%20weekly.png
― an asteroid could hit the planet (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
I haven't , im beginning to think I wont get it til next monday
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
for anyone who's interested, there's a program called Spotiamp that looks like Winamp but is actually a Spotify player that has less stuff to load (no link to facebook) and doesn't force the user to wait through the circle of dots. winamp's "eject" button leads the user to a list of their playlists.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 25 July 2015 03:39 (nine years ago) link
Starring?
― Jeff, Saturday, 25 July 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link
damn: all the prince is gonehttp://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/07/04/is-prince-the-newest-tidal-co-owner/
interesting and possibly accidental exceptions: the amazingly obscure 94 East compilation Games, his guitar turn on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" at the R&R hall of fame, a cover of Joni Mitchell's "A Case of You", the disposable "The Song of the Heart" on the "Happy Feet" soundtrack, "We March"on the "One Million Strong" compilation, "20454 Radical Man" from the Bamboozled soundtrack and "Good Love" from "Bright Lights Big City"
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 July 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
yeah prince pulled his stuff a few weeks back, pretty damn annoying. it makes me wonder about neil young cuz he announced he was pulling his stuff and here we are over a week later and he's still on spotify.
― balls, Sunday, 26 July 2015 01:13 (nine years ago) link
Tevin Campbell "Round And Round" sorta counts as Prince.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 26 July 2015 03:28 (nine years ago) link
my discover playlist is really great - i'm very impressed - i was just tweeting about it and others seem to agree.
i discovered tracks i didn't know by artists i know, like dennis wilson, eden ahbez, scott walker, and then some things i wasn't familiar with, like "the dolphins" by fred neil.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Sunday, 26 July 2015 12:57 (nine years ago) link
and now neil young is basically off spotify
― balls, Sunday, 26 July 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
ohh ffs, really?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 26 July 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
geffen stuff + decade. i have all the neil i need (which is alot) so i guess if i ever need to remotely scratch that itch i can listen to decade. i wish spotify did a better job of integrating yr music library.
― balls, Sunday, 26 July 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
'the dolphins' is fucking fantastic. whole self-titled album is really.
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 July 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
"Prince's publisher has asked all streaming music services to remove his catalog. We have cooperated with his request, and hope to bring his music back as soon as possible."
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 27 July 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
Daaaamnit i listened to prince on spotify probs more than anyone
― Spottie, Monday, 27 July 2015 01:27 (nine years ago) link
Speaking personally, not in any Spotify capacity:
I feel like you could defend not putting new material on a service as a business decision (whether good or bad) between you and the service.
But taking existing material off like this is just saying fuck-you specifically to your own fans, who have been listening to your music and literally paying for the privilege with every stream. I feel like these artists (Prince, Neil Young, Taylor Swift) are not acknowledging this, and maybe on some level not actually understanding it.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 27 July 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
it would certainly be magnanimous of artists who pull their material to apologize to fans and explain that - while they're removing themselves from a shitty deal on their end - they appreciate their support and understand why people were taking advantage of what's a great deal for the consumer. but artists bear no responsibility to continue supporting collusive agreement between their label and a distribution service just because they found themselves involved in it.
― da croupier, Monday, 27 July 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
if an artist thinks i'm a shit for using spotify, the artist needs to realize that their issue is with spotify and whoever allows their music to be on the service. i'm actually doing them better than when i buy a used cd. however, if the artist makes clear their issue is with spotify and/or their label, i totally respect it - i wouldn't want to be stuck in a bad deal just because other people enjoy profiting off it.
― da croupier, Monday, 27 July 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i agree with thatit's a business, man
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i may disagree with an artist's reasoning, and i may miss my easy access to "sign o the times" or "red," but i fully support their right to distribute their art however they see fit.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 27 July 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
the market/consumer piracy will correct over time
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't begrudge any artist that keeps their stuff off spotify though it means i'm much less likely to listen to yr music. think the smartest model, esp for established artists, is release singles initially and then eventually put the album up. what beyonce did basically. this has effectively been the model w/ movies and publishing for years - initial release in higher priced format (theaters, hardback), later release cut rate to maximize return.
― balls, Monday, 27 July 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
I finally got my discover weekly playlisthttp://i.imgur.com/U8AJ7IV.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/TCXGAgc.png
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 27 July 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
i haven't looked but if neil really took off everything but Decade that's pretty smart. You wanna play "Southern Man" on a loop, knock yerself out, i'll await my check for five bucks every quarter. You wanna find out if The Monsanto Years is good, I WANT CASH.
― da croupier, Monday, 27 July 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
think the smartest model, esp for established artists, is release singles initially and then eventually put the album up. what beyonce did basically.
that all sounds to me like a potential smart model for LABELS. as for artists, i think the smartest model is whatever the hell they want to do with their art whenever the hell they want to do it.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 27 July 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
it means i'm much less likely to listen to yr musici
Yeah, and because fewer people will listen if an artist pulls out, and spotify employees and other tech industry mouthpieces will spin it as "saying fuck-you specifically to your own fans" and "not actually understanding it", these major artists like Young, Prince, and Swift are the only ones with the clout to actually pull out. It's too risky for smaller artists. So good for them for getting the ball rolling. Because the absence of a label like Drag City (as noble as that is) isn't going to lead to any real change.
― wk, Monday, 27 July 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
If you're gonna take your music off streaming services take it off all of them (including YouTube) or you're a repulsive corporate heel.
― nashwan, Monday, 27 July 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
This was interesting. Much re-hashing, but some good analysis as well: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/less-money-mo-music-lots-problems-look-biz-jason-hirschhorn
― schwantz, Monday, 27 July 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
There's a very basic error early in that piece, in that Aloe Blacc's vaunted (anti-vaunted) $4000 was from Pandora, not Spotify. The Spotify royalties from that volume of streams would have been somewhere around $1,200,000. At this point "Wake Me Up" has generated 370m streams on Spotify, for over $2.5m in royalties. From just one streaming service. That's a pretty qualitative difference.
But the longer the piece goes on, the more balanced it becomes. Worth reading to the end.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 00:45 (nine years ago) link
you're right that the 4k number comes from pandora, but it was also aloe blacc's share of the songwriting royalties (split by three people) for "Wake Me Up." Your $2.5m number is based on the estimated mechanical royalty rate to performers. according to this: http://thetrichordist.com/2014/11/12/the-streaming-price-bible-spotify-youtube-and-what-1-million-plays-means-to-you/ the songwriting royalty rate is closer to 0.000521, but just as you're using .006 for the mechanical, we'll bump it up to .0006 for the songwriting.
370m streams = $222,000 in songwriting royalties222,000/3 = $74,000
still a qualitative difference from the 4k but not nearly as extreme as 4k to 2.5m
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
xposts p sure ol' neil pulling streams had approx zero impact on gross plays per user (why because #whodafuqisneilyoung?)
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
Whoops, "mechanical" royalty is meant to describe the songwriting royalty not the performer. Not that it changes the issue (songwriters still get the smaller rate) but I didn't mean to confuse things further
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link
Spotify's published .006-.0084 range (which I usually simplify to .007 for estimation purposes) is for total royalties, of which 21% goes to the songwriters (publishing) and 79% to the performers (mechanical), by US regulation. So that's $544,000 songwriting royalties and about $2m performer royalties for 370m streams. Blacc sang on "Wake Me Up", as well as co-writing it, so I would assume he gets some share of both parts, but that depends on his deal.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:26 (nine years ago) link
do you have a link to somewhere re the 21/79 split? i can't seem to find that number anywhere
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
ha, missed this - 19 Entertainment is suing spotify re: its alleged equity stake in spotify
http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6605841/sonys-spotify-equity-artist-royalties-lawsuit-breakage
part of why i find it so frustrating when the streaming side describes that lump perofmer royalty as going to the "rights holders" and then acting like it's up the label what happens next, is that they're ignoring the large advances (and alleged equity stakes) given to the major labels. while it's true spotify/apple/etc didn't invent the byzantine accounting that leads to major label artists seeing so little of that amount, they're not being transparent about how they've aided the major labels in making money artists can never hope to see a dime of.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
gah typos. 19 Entertainment is suing SONY re equity. and spotify is acting like its up to the label what happens next
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
from the suit by 19 ent
"Each of the major record labels also own an interest in Spotify," states the amended complaint. "On information and belief, those other record labels have engaged in the same self-dealing as Sony with respect to the diversion of payments to them, and the below market streaming royalty rates to artists. Together, and individually, Sony and the other major record labels therefore have significant power to exert control over Spotify in order to not only dictate how revenue will be paid, but wrongfully and in bad faith divert money from royalties that must be shared to other forms of revenue that they can keep for themselves."
i definitely understand why spotify execs have gotten defensive about "middlemen" fucking up the relationship between them and artists - companies like sony extracted favored nation deals and just shrug innocently when its biggest artists complain or even back out - but it's still facetious to act like spotify is looking out FOR the artists when they give those deals
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
21% comes from http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/#royalties-in-detail
But I said it wrong. Correct is "In the United States, for example, statutes dictate that publishers receive ~21% the amount that master recording owners receive." Not 21% of the whole.
So 5:1, not 4:1, and $.007 would break down into about .0058 for performers and .0012 for writers. 370m streams produces about $2.1m for performers and $450k for writers. Still, that publishing rate is approximately 20x the rate Blacc attributes to Pandora.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
so i've apparently "maxed out" the number of albums i can save to "my music". well it still allows me to save them but it doesn't retain them when i exit the program. *siiigghhhh*
― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
i can make playlists of albums and put them in separate folders, i guess. should have done it that way all along. folders!
― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
Folders are key. And in case it isn't obvious, you can put folders inside folders, too.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
will you ever be able to "play" folders in the roku app? currently it only let's you play individual playlists
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
okay now there's Prince's newest single but nothing else!
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 July 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
v funky move he warned you he is funky
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
"treat streaming like a radio, and give them what you'd like to have on the radio," which could mean classic tracks as well new ones, does seem like the smartest play to me
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
seems like the most awful play to me. no disrespect to my beloved prince, but the thing that sucks most about commercial radio is its unwillingness to play anything except the individual tracks handed to them (and maybe paid for) by labels and promoters. they have the albums, presumably, but it's as if they literally can't see the other 10 or 12 tracks. why on earth would a streaming company, or an artist, want to emulate that?
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
because the idea is to promote something you're selling, not to let people rent everything you're selling it for pennies
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
that would maybe possibly make sense if people were ever going to buy cds, or mp3s, or whatever, again. but they aren't. (and why wouldn't an artist want radio to play lots of songs from an album instead of just one?)
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
that would maybe possibly make sense if people were ever going to buy cds, or mp3s, or whatever, again. but they aren't.
if you were correct that no one buys music, i'd agree with you
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
of course people buy music. but they're buying less and less of it and streaming more and more of it. and there's no reason to believe that trend is going to reverse.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
― fact checking cuz, Friday, July 31, 2015 1:18 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is only part of the story. radio stations also rely on audience research, and audiences notoriously hate unfamiliar material
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Friday, 31 July 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
there's also no reason to deny yourself income just to be ahead of the times. look at the relative difference between the spins a single gets on spotify and a deep cut. it makes sense to put "when doves cry" on streaming because those fractions of pennies actually add up. but if someone wants a deep cut, it makes more sense to give them some impetus to actually purchase the album, rather than dramatically diminish it.
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
also prince fans may actually be more likely to check out his new song when it's placed next to "the best of prince" (if that) rather than 30+ full-lengths
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
radio stations also rely on audience research, and audiences notoriously hate unfamiliar material
yes, absolutely, of course. but radio stations have the power to make any track they want familiar to their audience, and that's a power that most stations rarely if ever exercise or experiment with.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
i do think it's a mistake to ignore streaming entirely. but i think it makes far more sense financially for an artist to treat it as a promotional device - the latest and greatest evolution of radio/jukebox - then as a replacement for sales. which is what it becomes when you put everything you have to sell on it.
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
― fact checking cuz, Friday, July 31, 2015 1:29 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true; similarly, publications have the power to ignore pageviews and shares and make any artist they want the locus point of their coverage. but, uh, well, yeah
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Friday, 31 July 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
it's possible some day it will be impossible to even make your biggest fans buy music but there's no reason for musicians to pretend we've reached that commercial post-apocalypse
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
there's also no reason to deny yourself income just to be ahead of the times
i agree! i really do mean no disrespect to prince or any other artist that wants to pull some or all of his material off these services. an artist should figure out what makes the most sense for him and do it. power to the artists who do that.
i don't always love the results, and i'm not sure the model that artists would like to see in the long run is the model that's best for consumers in the long run. that's all.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
well yeah obv itd be great for me if i could rent every song ever recorded for 10 bucks a month. but it's solipsistic-to-sociopathic to pretend that's a system that's going to allow artists to thrive.
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
i'm just suggesting there may be a balance to be struck somewhere in there between audience research, label payola, pageviews, shares, etc., and thinking about what music is worth playing and what stories are worth covering. of course you have to look at page views and shares. and if that's all you look at, well, then, buzzfeed, yay.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
xpost No it's not.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
oh of course, I'm not disagreeing with you that ideally that'd be the case
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Friday, 31 July 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
No it's not.
good point
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
There have been tons of models showing (many detailed in this thread) that if streaming services can get a decent number of paying customers (at $10/month),l there will be plenty of money to go around. And, it's in perpetuity, not just at the time of sale.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
prince likes to be on the charts and is happy to do whatever backflips necessary to get theresee also enclosing his new album in a newspaper or bundling it with concert ticket sales
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 July 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
rather than debate the plausibility of those models, i'll concede that if and when those numbers are reached, it could create a more viable ecosystem of artists. but i don't think artists should give up the one they have until that happens. which is why i think artists should engage with streaming sites, but in the sense of providing the same songs they'd happily let radio blast out - which could be a few dozen depending on the artist!
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
if every artist put three-to-four songs from every album that would be a TON of music, totally worth 10 bucks a month to play with. But would still provide some motivation for consumers to spend MORE on the artists they truly love for more music.
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
every artist put on streaming three-to-four songs, i mean
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
I would argue that making money off the back catalog rather than having people just play MP3s/CDs they bought long ago makes more financial sense to the artists, right?
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
If all the albums Spotify became little samplers, I'd stop using it. I like albums.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
again, people who wanna hear the hits would still be able to. you would just have two ways of making money off the back catalog - streaming for the hits, sales for the deep cuts, rather than one
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
I guess. Pretty customer-unfriendly, though.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
and totally hypothetical
― sleeve, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
yeah see when people say getting four songs off every album ever for 10 bucks a month, where you'd only have to buy deep cuts, is "customer-unfriendly," that doesn't dissuade me from seeing the argument as "solipsistic-to-sociopathic"
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
I would cancel my subscription and click 'Forgot My Password' on What.CD
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
Happily paying 10 bucks a month forever for music doesn't seem sociopathic to me.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
Are people who use the library sociopaths?
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
no, why would you think that
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
have you been to a library lately?
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
hahahaha
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
Freely reading/listening to/watching to stuff they didn't pay for like they deserve it.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
open goal
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
i support libraries because they're a glimmer of socialism but guess what google play isn't
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
Hey, if artists want to window their music, and pull things on and off streaming services and whatever to maximize their revenue, they are free to do it. Doesn't mean it's not annoying, and that it might ultimately hurt them (and everyone) by turning people off to paying for music again.
And yeah, if it were up to me, seems like it would make more sense to just tax everyone some nominal amount and have digital libraries with everything available to all citizens, but then socialism.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
in a void, its not the belief that one has a right to experience creative works that's solipsistic-to-sociopathic. it's the arguments for why avoiding putting all your music on streaming is a bad thing for artists to do.
nothing about the sales of albums held from streaming suggest this is what happens
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
I'm more saying that if Spotify became basically whatever is on the radio, I wouldn't pay for it.
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
well from the beginning i said artists should give streaming what they would GIVE the radio, not that spotify should only have what is ON the radio
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
There have been tons of models showing (many detailed in this thread) that if streaming services can get a decent number of paying customers (at $10/month),l there will be plenty of money to go around
Except there is never enough money to go around when some parties want moooooooooooooore.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
one big difference between industries that's part of the huge difference between netflix and spotify is film/tv has pretty effective unions for actors and writers while musicians' unions aren't nearly as common (in pop at least) or powerful, way more open shop in practice (i mean gang of four crossed picket lines). key exception of music industry where unions are a force is w/ classical music which is making me wonder now if that's why so many classical recordings are difficult to find on spotify or only get released hella later or disappear after a month or so. the artists that have pulled their stuff or only allowed their stuff to stream after a while (the big catalog guys - zep, floyd, ac/dc, eagles)(saw a 'best of apple records (non-beatles)' that came out years ago but was hyped as a new release made me wonder if spotify could somehow get that holy grail) have generally been big artists making leverage plays, their may be lip service to 'artists deserve to be rewarded' but really they've meant 'fuck you pay me', the only exception to this has kinda been taylor swift and even then it was just 'dear apple plz pay something anything'.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
i really wanna know if badfinger genuinely doesn't want their shit on spotify or if they're just held hostage by paul'n'yoko
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
or rather the badfinger estate
When blank cassettes (and CDs?) were first introduced, wasn't there some sort of tax rolled into their price to counter piracy/copy losses? In theory, given that the internet is overwhelmingly copyrighted material being viewed for free (not just downloading music/movies), they could just slap a buck or two onto internet service bills, and that would make a ton of money. But then there's the problem of moooooooore. How can you share the revenue generated from such a seemingly equitable solution when some think (justifiably or not) that they deserve more, or generate more, or more more more mine mine mine. I wish there were some sort of one-stop shop for streaming. I'd pay more for that. But no one wants to give up any share of the potential pie, no matter how small the slivers are getting.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
also w/ classical profits from recordings really kinda are an ancillary benefit, it's not the main gig and maybe never was? (even when classical had a larger presence in the popular sphere it meant more 'toscanini gets a huge contract from nbc radio') anna netrebko would feel it if her money from recordings went away for sure but i can't imagine it aproaches what she gets from performing.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
xpost There's that, and then there's the American thing of "I'm not paying to support a bunch of artists that I don't personally listen to!"
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
even though the big boys are def just holding out for what's theirs rather than what's everybodys, i'm glad they're doing it so that maybe little people will realize it's fucked. some say my fantasy of people only putting promotional tracks on spotify would be a dealbreaker for the service and artist but tell that to the beygency
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
lol croup after i posted that i thought 'wait..so is badfinger...' and the answer is still kinda no, they're not really on there BUT there is a comp that has the big apple corps hits (finally a non-re-recorded 'no matter what'!) on there that wasn't there the last time i checked (which wasn't super recently but was more recently than 2010, when that comp came out). the first james taylor album is on spotify now which wasn't there before.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
"I'm not paying to support a bunch of artists that I don't personally listen to!"
Well, ads used to take care of this, across the board. We paid with our ears and eyeballs. But now that we have (or were given, or stole) greater choice and freedom, we also have ways to avoid the ads. Which is what single-handedly has wrecked havoc across all number of mediums (radio, TV, newspapers).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
xpost oooh didn't know they finally got a (non-re-recorded) comp up
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
despite my antipathy towards streaming in theory i am a big fan of "oh apparently whoever has the rights to the Giant Records catalog coughed Tara Kemp up" moments
latest and greatest was the belated arrival of "Return Of The Mack"
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
but then as i said, it's only the mark morrison album tracks that should be withheld
Not bummed about destroying the advertising model. Cuz I AM A SOCIOPATH!
― schwantz, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
i remember when that tidal ad came out thinking 'what gets me to sign up is paul and yoko walking thru that door w/ robert fripp and bob segar'.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
otmfm
schwantz if you take from me saying a stance was "solipsistic-to-sociopathic" that i'm saying a group of people are sociopaths...not my intent, and i apologize if i invoked the new godwin's law or something
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
I don't really see how this Beatles material is such a big deal according to just about every article/opinion I read about it - a boomer band who, fifty years ago, recorded a mere five great albums shouldn't in any way be relevant to the livelihood of thousands of musicians today and for the next decades. I mean, if you like em, just fucking steal those red and blue albums and then enjoy the millions of other song that *are* out there on whatever service you sign up for.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
which five
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
Nevermind, OU812, The Chronic, Trout Mask Replica and Saturday Night Fever
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 July 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
wtf how could you list the five greatest beatles albums and leave out sgt pepper u mad
― da croupier, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
I don't really see how this Beatles material is such a big deal http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bazald/l/tutorial/zenitank/boom.png according to just about every article/opinion I read about it - a boomer band https://www.facebook.com/PaulOrselliWorkshop?ref=nf who, fifty years ago, recorded a mere five great albums https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3531249963/96346c0ee3449c2eddea7920e705a6af_bigger.jpeg shouldn't in any way be relevant to the livelihood of thousands of musicians today and for the next decades. I mean, if you like em, just fucking steal those red and blue albums and then enjoy the millions of other song that *are* out there on whatever service you sign up for.
http://www.ringophone.com/HDcolorWP/atomic-explosion_.jpg― Siegbran, Friday, July 31, 2015 2:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
WREAKED havoc, jfc
― sleeve, Friday, 31 July 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
anyone who wants Spotify URLs to open in the desktop app ...
glenn advised to just click "Play in Spotify" but I never saw that option, it just opened the player. Figured it out: open a Spotify URL. Click the settings gear in the Spotify webapp, look for a setting like "Open Spotify URLs in desktop app". Confusingly, it will have a checkmark, but if the checkmark is gray it's not enabled. Click it so it's green. Next time I opened a Spotify URL it gave me the option to Play in Spotify before it opened the web player.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 31 July 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
will try that! Thanks!
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
Well I was going to write them down as an overhyped Skiffle combo from Hamburg but that would be a bit harsh. They did come up some quality tunes over the years and i am the walrus.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
step back everyone, siegbran of internet has something to say about the beatles, and it may shock you
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
trigger warning, beatles fans
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm fine with the Beatles and you might've missed the hyperbole here but in all seriousness, why the Beatles catalogue is brought up in so many articles as some sort of big (psychological?) barrier to success for online music services is baffling to me.
― Siegbran, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
because the Beatles are the baseline measure of what music people want to have available
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
It might have something to do with them being the biggest selling artist of all time.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
they lack the cool factor of your favorite black metal bands, admittedly, but popularity counts for something too
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 31 July 2015 21:24 (nine years ago) link
it also has something to do w/ them being the second (hell maybe first by this point) highest selling group this century
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
they've also been, for quite a long time now, very canny and deliberate about how they handle their catalog. every other act just belches their catalog onto compact disc during the 80s, the beatles manage to turn it into an event that stretches out months and gets crazy press. when they eventually remaster them and finally put them on itunes, another event. you want to license one of their songs, good fucking luck and break out the check book. there are other catalogs that have been just as eternal in terms of still yielding ridiculous sales decades after release but i think you have to actually know or care about those things to know that spotify getting ac/dc on board is a huge deal. since michael jackson and nike and probably earlier everyone knows the beatles catalog is valuable.
― balls, Friday, 31 July 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link
Xpost I know it's wreaked havoc, a bugaboo of mine, too. That's how it came out on the phone. But can't edit posts ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 July 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
ha, OK, glad u understand
― sleeve, Friday, 31 July 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Beatles albums should be public fucking domain.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
big artists making leverage plays, their may be lip service to 'artists deserve to be rewarded' but really they've meant 'fuck you pay me', the only exception to this has kinda been taylor swift and even then it was just 'dear apple plz pay something anything'.
― balls, Friday, July 31, 2015 2:41 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nah Taylor Swift's thing came across as blatantly cynical marketing to me. Apple just decides to change a giant multi-million dollar deal within days of her tweeting about it give me a break.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link
Tho who can fault her Apple is historically a place for true artists, after all they had John Lennon in their advertisements /s
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link
I know, their fanbase bought them on vinyl, then on CD in the 90s, and now again digitally. They've been in the sweet spot for making oodles of money off recorded music in the historically small window when that was possible. Good for them. Yes, boomers are still a big market to milk but in ten years time their hearing's gone, along with their ability use a touchscreen or mouse. Sinatra and Elvis, similarly worthy and immensely popular artists, are past that point already and are (by and large) irrelevant to the business model of streaming/digital music.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 1 August 2015 09:02 (nine years ago) link
I mean, are these streaming services intended as museums or art galleries?
― Siegbran, Saturday, 1 August 2015 09:04 (nine years ago) link
my name is Noodle Vague and i approve this message
― the lion tweets tonight (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 1 August 2015 09:13 (nine years ago) link
why the Beatles catalogue is brought up in so many articles as some sort of big (psychological?) barrier to success for online music services is baffling to me.
are people really still writing that? i hardly see their name mentioned at all anymore in analyses of the streaming world, except maybe in passing.
(i see the name "taylor swift" a lot. but i don't think she was ever in the beatles, was she? that was james taylor, right?)
― fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 August 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/01/why-the-beatles-are-letting-down-a-generation/
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 1 August 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
the continued absense from Spotify, Apple Music and their ilk is thanks to the same ‘we’re premium and deserve special treatment’ attitude that meant I could never afford their CDs as a kid because they were generally priced way higher than anyone else’s even though they were already three decades old by that point
Uh, what? I distinctly remember buying the catalog as a kid and the CDs all costing the same as other music. Fugazi CDs were cheaper but that's about it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 1 August 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link
most CD's by 60s groups were mid-price though except for the beatles & the stones. Pretty sure that is what the writer meant.
Also Beatles cd's were £15 here. Never in a sale
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 1 August 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, what? I have no memory at all of Beatles cds costing more than anything else. And considering they've only reissued a big deal remastered series once it's not even like they're continually trying to gouge people who want to own Beatles cds.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 1 August 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
Maybe it's different over there, but in the US them shits have always been priced in line with everything else.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 1 August 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
rip off britain strikes again
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 2 August 2015 02:03 (nine years ago) link
I mean, I guess they never had explicitly budget releases - definitely no Beatles For Sale/Help! twofer discs out there. So yeah compared to certain other acts they never got steeply marked down, but...
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 2 August 2015 05:09 (nine years ago) link
question about the Discover Weekly playlist, apologies if this has already been covered upthread: does anyone know if the choices are based specifically on your previous week's Spotify listening, or does it take your listening over a longer timescale into account? if I listen to nothing but psychobilly one week, will I get an all-psychobilly inspired playlist the following Monday?
― pop addicts should "do their thing", whatever that may be (soref), Sunday, 2 August 2015 11:07 (nine years ago) link
only one way to find out
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
good luck
And how many times can I get away with playing my 2yo daughter's frequent request 'Agadoo' by Black Lace before my Discover Weekly starts being populated with awful 1980s novelty hits?
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Monday, 3 August 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
private listening?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 3 August 2015 12:51 (nine years ago) link
oh btw Apple Music vs Spotify
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 3 August 2015 12:52 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/opinion/sunday/open-the-music-industrys-black-box.html?_r=0
Asking the current set of labels to have some transparency seems hopeless. Will Spotify become a label, maybe (a la Amazon with their self-publishing service)? Will some other entity step in and provide a label that promises transparency or fairer distribution of royalties?
― schwantz, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
there ARE labels that promise transparency and a fairer distribution of royalties. They're just "indies" that can't achieve success on the level of a major, and streaming services are too beholden to the majors to treat them equally.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
Are up-and-coming acts still signing on to horrible major-label deals these days? If so, I feel sorry for them, but also - shame on them, to some extent.
― schwantz, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
Just the fictional singer/songwriters getting millions of streams without any promotion at all.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
Is anyone else getting a big black screen when they click on the Local Files folder? Using the latest Mac version.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
My local files ceased working completely on the Mac client.
― Jeff, Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
I have to wait a few seconds but it does come up for me (also Mac)
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
Startup for this program has become glacial on my mac...
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
Same on iPhone!
― schwantz, Thursday, 6 August 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
startup is glacial on my PC, but to fair everything is glacial on it
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Thursday, 6 August 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link
since switching to version .8.5 i have had more or less NO issues with Spotify and the only thing i'm missing is the ability to subscribe to artists. Loads fast, works reliable, no bloat!
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 August 2015 04:10 (nine years ago) link
I'm leaning toward dropping Apple Music and keeping Spotify at the end of the AM free trial, but at least one gripe about Spotify remains: I'm still finding albums where tracks longer than 10 minutes are grayed out. On AM I can listen to the whole thing.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:26 (nine years ago) link
What are a couple examples of those albums you saw where the long songs are grayed out? I can investigate.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 8 August 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link
Noticed it in four Anthony Braxton albums today --A.B. & Wolf Eyes - Black VomitA.B. & Fred Frith - Duo (Victoriaville) 2005Complete Braxton 1971, vols. 1 and 2
also:Miles Davis at Newport 1955-1975 - 3 tracks on disc 1, not even the longest tracks on the discMiles Davis Quintet - Live in Europe 1967 - 2 tracks on disc 2 and all of disc 3
When it happens, it seems to be in jazz releases. Thanks for checking.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Saturday, 8 August 2015 03:38 (nine years ago) link
Thanks. I'll see what I can find out.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 8 August 2015 03:58 (nine years ago) link
Those Braxton and Davis unavailable songs are all at the label's requests, in a technical sense. I mean, Spotify didn't take any action of our own to make them unavailable. The Miles Davis ones are unavailable in the same inexplicable patterns on Apple Music, too. We will pursue with the source labels, as it's hard to believe this is an intentional request. Probably some database-field at Sony or wherever got mis-set somewhere once, and then nobody ever noticed or fixed it.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 8 August 2015 12:00 (nine years ago) link
The long-track-unavailable thing seems a holdover from peak a la carte downoading, to force purchase of the entire record. Don't want to let an album of two seventeen minute tracks to go for two bucks. In a Silent Way gets fixed, but not the deeper catalog stuff.
― juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Saturday, 8 August 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I bet that's literally correct, and the labels have a single no-download field in their database that they've been using for streaming, forgetting it was set for downloading.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
glen, what about the local files thing? Seems pretty essential to the "Spotify-as-your-single-music-player" experience.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 8 August 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
does anyone else not have access to the discover playlist yet? everyone's talking about it and i'm still waiting...
― musically, Saturday, 8 August 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
i only got it last weekend. btw it's utterly as good as people say it is.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 8 August 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
I've had three weeks' worth of discover playlists. All roughly the same - good enough music that I don't skip many tracks, and the majority are new to me. But nothing so far that has compelled me to dig deeper with any artists or play certain songs over and over. And the playlist refuses to acknowledge that I listen to ambient music. It seem to only recognize that I listen to Wilco.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
my first discover weekly list sounded like a string of public domain lounge electronica, but the second one was quite different. maybe the genre will move around from week to week.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
discover playlists seem to have diminishing returns for me, maybe I'm just not seeding them well enough
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:38 (nine years ago) link
does it depend on what you played the past week?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 9 August 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
I don't work on anything remotely related to local-file handling, so I don't have any insight there, I'm sorry. I know people are working on it, but I don't know what the issues are.
Discover Weekly doesn't depend only on what you played in the past week, no, but it's weighted towards recent listening, so it should evolve along with your listening.
Re the lack of ambient music, mine often has no metal. But this is just the beginning.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 9 August 2015 02:47 (nine years ago) link
discover weekly is designed to work off natural listening habits, rather than react to users trying to force certain results by stacking their play history, yeah? if so, just listening to what we like is probably the best way to get good recommendations.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 9 August 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
Not sure I believe "unnatural" listening is a thing. If you think you're gaming Discover Weekly by listening differently, I call that exploration.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 9 August 2015 03:04 (nine years ago) link
Besides, if you want to hear some kind of thing in particular, go to everynoise.com and look it up.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 9 August 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
whoa that site is incredible
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 9 August 2015 03:37 (nine years ago) link
o wow
― balls, Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:32 (nine years ago) link
that's your baby, right glenn?
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:44 (nine years ago) link
Well for me, a lot of my Spotify listening is spent discovering new music that I haven't heard before, often full albums or ILX playlists, rather than listening to stuff that I legitimately love, which affects my Discovery playlist. So I've tried to fix that in the past week by listening to more of my favorite songs and artists, though the fact that I'm also spending time listening to my Discovery playlists is going to reinforce the artists on those as well.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 9 August 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised if they've begun to move away from the "one browser" thing given the recent focus on Discovery.
One trend I'm beginning to worry about a bit w Spotify is that artists are starting to cut side deals for "preferred" streaming services, which would ultimately lead to a bunch of services that have 97% the same thing with that last 3% spread across 5 different services, essentially ruining the all-in on demand experience for all but the most exclusive set of subscribers.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 9 August 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to be coy, everynoise.com is my thing.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 9 August 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
I would like to echo these sentiments re: everynoise.com
― pop addicts should "do their thing", whatever that may be (soref), Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
^^^^^^
― tsrobodo, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
finally got a really good Discover Weekly playlist this week
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 10 August 2015 11:58 (nine years ago) link
discover weekly is uneven as hell, last two weeks it was like "why do u think i like any of this lol spotify, ur dumb" and then the one i got for this week is pretty damn all right thus far
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 10 August 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
It certainly seems determined to try and get me into the whiny voiced indie that I haven't listened to for 15 years. Still, about five tracks per week pique my interest, maybe not a great percentage but probably no worse than back when radio was my regular discovery channel.
― ledge, Monday, 10 August 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
is this all because it's using your playing of last week's recommended racks in figuring out this week's?
(is it a spotify home-grown thing or does it use a recommendation engine like gracenote / echonest / senzari?)
― koogs, Monday, 10 August 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
my weekly discover playlist seems better, too. i am very susceptible to the enthusiasm of others, though.
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
My Week 1 Discover playlist was excellent, but Weeks 2-4 have been way off the mark. However, all my partner's playlists have been bloody marvellous. He uses Spotify much less than I do, and only to listen to music that he already loves - whereas I'm forever dipping into new music speculatively, with inevitably mixed results.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 10 August 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
ugh i still don't have discover weekly yet, thanks obama spotify
― musically, Monday, 10 August 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
― mike t-diva, Monday, August 10, 2015 2:11 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this has been my experience -- week 1 was good, subsequent weeks were "but I already *have* opinions on banks and bat for lashes and the knife," this week was either completely off the mark or (more likely) I was for however many weeks
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 10 August 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
For a while I was getting a lot of tracks I had already listened to on Spotify, which was odd. Just looked again now and this week's doesn't have that problem but mostly recommends me things from the most popular/indie end of the spectrum I listen to, i.e. things I've already heard of and decided I don't care about checking out.
Of course ilxors are a really hard section of the population to recommend music to!
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
i think the thing about recommendations for me is, i generally don't care about music unless it comes with a story, or a connection to someone i know. it's a way of changing yourself via another's love. like trying on a shirt i'd never imagine wearing but finding a way into it via the fact it was a gift from somebody special. the music "itself" without those conmections is just kinda... flat to me. usually. that's why i like music writing, and why i like friends who are passionate about music. radio can act as a sort of placebo via a DJ. anyway when spotify, or last.fm, or whoever, recommends me something it's just dry and it could be the greatest thing ever but is hard for me to latch onto.
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 03:44 (nine years ago) link
yes, but if a recommendation gives you a song you've heard with friends but didn't know what it was at the time, that system partially serves the need. i see your point though.
i'm a massive introvert so i've always discovered music the hard way. these 'curated' services suit me pretty well, in that i no longer have to get off my arse and look for new music that's similar to what i like.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link
and, my friends and forums and fan sites all still exist, so it's just an additional way to find new stuff.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 03:55 (nine years ago) link
Spotify has an equalizer in the settings on iPhone!? how long's that been there? i thought they'd have shouted it from the rooftops.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
What?!
― Corn on the macabre (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
yeah a few releases back! waiting patiently for the desktop version
― Spottie, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
we should start a Recommend Tracer Hand Some Music thread
― tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
the rest of this site works well for that but a personalized thread would be fun. i would review everything!
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 02:03 (nine years ago) link
Anyone else following this spotify playlist Fresh Finds
https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/3rgsDhGHZxZ9sB9DQWQfuf
updated every wednesday
non-personalised new music from unknown / emerging artists
i tend to skip through it, i.e anything that starts like dullard paste style 90s American indie rock - straight to next track. however it's worth going through for a few gems
this is my second week experiencing Fresh Finds - Meltybrains? a band from Ireland that i have been following for over a year are on this weeks playlist with their afrobeat-futuristic-electronic-art-rock-pop track Vine
take a listen:
Meltybrains? - vinehttps://open.spotify.com/track/3JTW12iyImNivo7O6jSqsb
INSIDE SPOTIFY'S PLAN TO TAKE ON APPLE MUSIChttp://www.fastcompany.com/3049231/tech-forecast/inside-spotifys-plan-to-take-on-apple-music
It's called Fresh Finds. At first glance, it's just another playlist—it could easily be one of the collections hand-curated by Spotify's 32 music editors, or one of its 75 million users for that matter. But Fresh Finds is different: The weekly playlist is generated using a chunk of the predictive big data technology that Whitman and his team at The Echo Nest brought with them to Spotify last March. The mission of Fresh Finds is to identify under-the-radar artists that are generating buzz online and surface the ones most likely to break out.
"Fresh Finds is a distillation of the hippest users on Spotify," says Whitman, pulling up a list of 38 tracks projected against the conference room wall. "These are the artists that are going to break out soon because they're being listened to by these people."...
How does he know? The machines told him, naturally. Fresh Finds takes a central component of The Echo Nest's original methodology—its web content crawler and natural language processing technology—to mine music blogs and reviews from sites like Pitchfork and NME and figure out which artists are starting to generate buzz, but don't yet have the listenership to show for it. Using natural language processing, the system analyzes the text of these editorial sources to try and understand the sentiment around new artists. For instance, a blogger might write that a band's "new EP blends an early '90s throwback grunge sound with mid-'80s-style synthesizers and production—and it's the best thing to come out of Detroit in years." If this imaginary act goes on tour and writers in Brooklyn dole out praise of their own, the bots will pick up on it. It helps address an issue some people have voiced early on with Apple Music, that its selections aren't adventurous and it tends to recommend things you already like rather than things you might like.
After generating a list of talked-about artists, the Fresh Finds algorithm checks that list against the listening habits of a subset of Spotify's users that the system has determined are "ahead of the pack"—that is, the many thousands of very active listeners who tend to discover new artists before they break. In early, internal testing, Whitman and his team say that this approach, in addition to being clever, actually works. He shows me a collection of analytics charts that compare an artist's "buzz" factor (as determined by the blog-reading bots) with its listenership on Spotify. Sure enough, in many cases, a burst of online chatter about a new artist is followed by a spike in listening.
read the whole article..for all the details
― djmartian, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link
I worry that if I listen to Fresh Finds, it might give me another shitty Discover playlist.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 13:16 (nine years ago) link
Wary of it due to the usual problem with centralised trend aggregating as described.
Highlighting curated playlists of new stuff (NOT divided by genre) from a range of individuals is preferable.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 13:20 (nine years ago) link
listening to a track once will not ruin your discover playlist, however if you only save the tracks you do like to another playlist then your discover playlist will likely improve
as explained further in the article
http://www.fastcompany.com/3049231/tech-forecast/inside-spotifys-plan-to-take-on-apple-music
Discover Weekly analyzes your own listening history, with an emphasis on what you've been bingeing on recently. It then takes that knowledge and compares it to the playlisting behavior of other users in the hopes of tapping into that distinctly human, gut feeling that dictates why one song sounds good following another or why this particular collection of 35 songs feels perfect for your mood on a given afternoon. Scanning millions of playlists, the system tries to find tracks that are commonly listed alongside the music with which you're already familiar, and then group those tracks together into a new, personalized playlist. Effectively, it takes the classic "people who like that also like this" logic of collaborative filtering and applies it to the process of making a mixtape for somebody.
― djmartian, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
This is kind of an obvious thing to do, but it's been entertaining me recently:
From the main everynoise.com map, go to the page for any genre and click on "List" at the top of the page. You'll get an embedded Spotify playlist of songs matching that genre. By clicking the </> icon in the embedded player's controller, you can copy the playlist link, open it in the web player or stand-alone app, and then follow that playlist. This is convenient for me because I usually listen to Spotify on my home sound systems or iPhone rather than on my computer.
Here's a playlist for "cool jazz" that seems representative: http://open.spotify.com/user/thesoundsofspotify/playlist/3RtFvzIXD7ulUCXkWdIOWW
How We Understand Music Genres is a good brief explanation, but I'd love to read a more detailed discussion of the data analysis behind Every Noise at Once.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 12 August 2015 13:41 (nine years ago) link
More on Fresh Finds
Understanding the brand newhttp://notes.variogr.am/post/125515460365/fresh-finds
by Brian Whitman
Scientist, sound artist, co-founder & CTO of the Echo Nest, Principal Scientist at Spotify.
“Fresh Finds” is made possible by a scalable analysis of the musical activity happening outside Spotify: daily, we automatically find artists people are talking about on music blogs and news sites more often and with more intensity than their playcounts should suggest. These are the artists that find fans through word-of-mouth, shows and the hard work of making unique music that connects to at least one person. We then filter those artists through a real time analysis of Spotify listening behavior and weekly generate a list of brand new songs that we think we will gain in popularity the next week.
The listener activity that happens to music deep in this brand-new, unheard part of the spectrum is hard to automatically understand. It comes from nowhere, and people discover it from other people, often outside of our platform. They read music blogs and press, or a friend in the know passes on a link. It’s not based on popularity or audio or likes or clicks. Some of these Fresh Finds had virtually no plays when data indicated we should publish them on the playlist. Watching a brand new artist release a brand new track with no connection or external push and seeing it at first slowly, then rapidly gain in plays on Spotify has been life-affirming.I see recommendation, filtering, or prediction of this “brand new” as a new artistic frontier in music understanding. Every music data scientist wants to help artists and listeners, but the quantity of known good that a precise recommendation for a well known band earns all but vanishes when stacked up against the connection between a new unknown and her new fan base. I’m ecstatic to help that process even a little bit.
Brian Whitman's Favorite jams from the past 6 months of Fresh Finds:
Found on Fresh Finds playlist:https://open.spotify.com/user/bwhitman/playlist/1EViHawT7ibM3pS2gPE4mW
Since Fresh Finds started working internally for us early this year, I’ve discovered more music there than from any other technology or web site or service I’ve ever used.
― djmartian, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
There are direct links to those The Sound Of playlists at the bottom of each genre page. Save you a few clicks...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
brilliant discovery! it's a proper lucky dip, and i'm enjoying at least half of this week's. fun stuff like this will keep me on spotify indefinitely.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:29 (nine years ago) link
Aha, thanks.
― Brad C., Thursday, 13 August 2015 12:22 (nine years ago) link
So digging into Fresh Finds right now ... I like the idea.
Tracer Hands' post about music recommendation is, er, spot on for me as well. One thing I wonder is if music recommendation engines could do a better job going forward of unpacking WHY a song is recommended to you in some way -- beyond "you listened to X, you should try Y" which is a pretty shitty corollary. Like TH, I tend to be much more excited about a recommendation when I have why it was recommended to me explained a little. For something like Fresh Finds, it would be interesting if you could essentially see the blogs/reviews/Soundcloud momentum that, even algorithmically were responsible for putting into the list. Is that possible within the Spotify mobile app? Not sure. But if Spotify ever let other companies license their stream to build apps that house it, my sense is that some enterprising technology company could find a way to demonstrate this in quasi-infographic form, with little blurbs, factoids and so forth. The current of just seeing a list that says "Trust us -- we have some scientists and dudes with impressive beards" isn't really as powerful.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 August 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
To put this another way ...
Right now we're still sort of at the “Hey you like Kraftwerk, have you heard Devo?” side of things. Fresh Finds and Discover Weekly sound like they're operating more at the "You like the sparse little classical melodies and dislocation in Kraftwerk’s music -- there’s this other band that kind of does that that’s getting a ton of buzz on Pitchfork and Soundcloud you should check out” phase.
It would be cool to see the buzz factor brought to life somehow.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 August 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
What would be great is a website where people could talk about loving music, maybe post about the reasons they love specific music or recommend things to you based on your own past verbal characterizations of your tastes and preferences. Not sure how you'd measure what music they like most... some kind of voting-based mechanism would be good but I suspect only obsessed weirdos would actually put in the time. Ideally it would have a really minimal, low-impact interface (maybe even just text on a white background?) for those of us using it on older devices. I'm not a technical guy though and it seems like that kinda thing might be beyond the technical capabilities of Spotify. Advertisers might not go for it either, I dunno.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
would never work
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, most people would tire over discussing music and instead talk about their love of everything else.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
you guys
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 August 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Steve Hoffman forums
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 August 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Glenn - point EN's computer at ILM. ;)
― schwantz, Thursday, 13 August 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
Actually, I'm sure you could get great recommendations/correlations from the ILM archives. Sell the datamining rights off to Spotify and ILX could be funded for decades.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 13 August 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
Then everyone will complain that Paris Hilton or Big N Rich are being recommended to them
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 13 August 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
New data reinforcing that old T Swift pain
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 August 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
hey guys my inside algorithmic sources indicate that this band 'radiohead' is going to be big big big - don't know about you but i'm getting in on the ground floor
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 August 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Listening to ILX Listen - 2015 Spotify Genre Playlistsstill waiting on my check tbh
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
(some of those playlists have 90 subscribers now btw)
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
One thing I wonder is if music recommendation engines could do a better job going forward of unpacking WHY a song is recommended to you in some way -- beyond "you listened to X, you should try Y" which is a pretty shitty corollary.
pandora used to (maybe still does but i haven't used it in a long time) have a little note on each song saying why they decided to play it based on the parameters of your song/album/artist playlist; "we chose this song for you because it's a power ballad in a minor key" or something. it doesn't seem like too much work to add some more factual info on the artists, and maybe why they're trending, to pop up as well.
― musically, Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:24 (nine years ago) link
re: Glenn - point EN's computer at ILM. ;)
forksclovetofu is OTM, i was just about to mention this !
note, ILM data for 2015 music is ALREADY in the spotify data mining sets i.e the ILM Rolling spotify playlists that forksclovetofu collates. Those playlists will be compared to similar playlists that will influence the discover weekly playlists for many other spotify listeners. So if your already listening to the ILM spotify playlists regularly your benefiting from the existing collective intelligence of ilm and other likeminded / similar curated playlists.
― djmartian, Thursday, 13 August 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
going back to Fresh Finds,
I found this
The Firehosehttps://open.spotify.com/user/predict0/playlist/3mZgwuBZqoRWIQqQB7IsTbFresh Finds Pro Edition
only 24 followers of this hidden away playlist. Probably most of these are internal spotify employees, but anyone can follow.
over 400 tracks in the last 4 weeks - tracks added regularly - 32 tracks were added thursday morning.
so, this is like a spotify rolling recent version of the Hype Machine for new tracks for new / emerging artists
hype machinehttp://hypem.com/
there is also this playlist:
Blogmergencehttps://open.spotify.com/user/predict0/playlist/0L5QOqPKhNaYOx1IlUdjH6
this looks like a unfiltered data dump of recent tracks crawled from music blogs. 47 tracks were added on thursday morning.
this is the spotify R&D account:
predict0https://open.spotify.com/user/predict0useful to follow
as refereed by Brian Whitman, in the link i mentioned upthread
http://notes.variogr.am/post/125515460365/fresh-finds
they have created human filtered best finds for july / june / may
regarding what spotify need to do next, they need a proper blogging / content strategy outside of the spotify platform. i.e to start a new music discovery blog. They have content curators i.e playlist makers & data scientists but spotify are underutilizing their knowledge and enthusiasm.
― djmartian, Thursday, 13 August 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/87588
President Obama uploads his own personal playlists on Spotify
― piscesx, Friday, 14 August 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
thanks obama
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
lol reminds me of this - https://mobile.twitter.com/blippoblappo/status/460194112142979075
― balls, Friday, 14 August 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
surprised he's so into death grips, but hey
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 August 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
tbrr finding out that michelle and barack's getting it on mix is fairly close to my own is kinda awesome
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 August 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
maybe you can use that along with the knowledge of his murders to delay orgasm /morbs
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 August 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
i don't think i read that the way you meant it
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 August 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
i HOPE i didn't read that the way you meant it
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 August 2015 00:26 (nine years ago) link
this thread took a disturbing turn
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
why does spotify (ios) burn off so much mobile data when playing saved tracks? what's it downloading? 45 mb today and i've only played ~two hours' worth.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 17 August 2015 07:12 (nine years ago) link
two hours of all saved tracks? that seems very high. I would switch to offline mode in that case.
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 17 August 2015 07:37 (nine years ago) link
thing is i shouldn't have to keep doing that. hoping it's just a bug and not album covers or something.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 17 August 2015 09:44 (nine years ago) link
a distinctly dancey playlist this week. i approve!
― tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 17 August 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
So I'm normally pretty blasé about internet privacy policy shenanigans but this does sound pretty extreme:
“With your permission, we may collect information stored on your mobile device, such as contacts, photos, or media files.
What does that mean, "with your permission"? Have I given permission by accepting this policy? What on earth do they want with my contacts or photos anyway?
― ledge, Friday, 21 August 2015 07:08 (nine years ago) link
on ios you need to give explicit permission. if you're on android i think they can mine everything. really though i think it's just spotify covering off all likelihoods before you do any of the things that might fire off a scrape of your address book etc.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 21 August 2015 08:05 (nine years ago) link
android M will make the permissions more granular.
but yes, why does this synthesizer app need my wifi details and my contacts?
― koogs, Friday, 21 August 2015 08:17 (nine years ago) link
https://news.spotify.com/us/2015/08/21/sorry-2/
Let me be crystal clear here: If you don’t want to share this kind of information, you don’t have to. We will ask for your express permission before accessing any of this data – and we will only use it for specific purposes that will allow you to customize your Spotify experience.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 21 August 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/SpotifyUSA/status/634125633501556736
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 August 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link
Charles Manson is on this week's Discover playlist :/
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
However many weeks later, the Discover playlist may have led finally to a discovery, I think mostly due to the avalanche of Wilco I'd been playing a couple of weeks ago - Israel Nash, who I've never heard of before. Very Neil Young & Crazy Horse. Not sure if I'll dig a whole album of this or not, but I think this is the first new-to-me artist I've come across via Discover where I actually want to try and hear more.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 27 August 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
Happened to me with On An On this week...
― schwantz, Thursday, 27 August 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
Manson showed up on a bunch of people's lists this week. Not a problem we had anticipated, but steps will be taken...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 27 August 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link
hopefully not by him
― Spottie, Thursday, 27 August 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
i have been enjoying the weekly discovery much to my surprise
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 27 August 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
This entry has been known to cause some problems at a few music services... not naming names
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/8530d70e-778c-4eba-b08d-831d16783c03
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 August 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
lol:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/41366462-ff3a-45a8-91d9-c40c259b5637
― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 August 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
http://everynoise.com/engenremap-oratory.html
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 27 August 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
what governs the positioning there, glenn? quality of recording?
― Fizzles, Sunday, 30 August 2015 06:55 (nine years ago) link
This week on Discover Weekly: Ten (count 'em) songs I already know, and songs by Dr. Dog and Slightly Stoopid (gag). I'm beginning to think Spotify doesn't think very highly of me.
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 31 August 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link
it's ok, Spotify A) gave me a kate bush song B) made it "deeper understanding"
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 31 August 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link
"you seem like you'd like kate bush, and of all the hundreds of kate bush songs, we feel this will best resonate with your personality"
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 31 August 2015 13:22 (nine years ago) link
mine is great this week!
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 31 August 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link
Fizzles: the positioning is atmospheric-vs-bouncy and organic-vs-mechanistic, same as on the big overall genre map, but within a genre like oratory you're basically seeing large magnifications of small differences, so it isn't necessarily telling you much.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 August 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link
Spotify seems desperate to make me listen to Lloyd Cole, every single Discover Weekly playlist I've had so far includes at least one of his songs
― soref, Monday, 31 August 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
(this week's playlist, upon actually listening, is decent, I just thought the particular choice of song was hilarious)
― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 31 August 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Can't fault Spotify for giving you songs you already know unless you listen to them regularly on Spotify. I got a high number of tracks this week that I already knew, but I took that as a sign that it's getting closer to ID'ing my tastes.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 31 August 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
thanks glenn.
still yet to try out my discover playlist. seem to be feeling that same aversion that i have when people I don't entitely trust recommend me things. multplied beyond what i would feel if I encountered the same things without any context.
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
Well, you can look at the thing without listening to it. Is that less scary?
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
I live in South Africa, and am considering going through the rigmarole to get Spotify up-and-running on my connection here.
Is there something like a ILM playlist on there?
I would really like to see a list of what's currently on that that. Is someone willing to do me a favour and screengrab a list of what's on the ILM playlist at the moment?
I would like to see if it something that would be worth my effort, as that would be my primary reason for getting Spotify.
― Nico, Friday, 4 September 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
Somewhere in this thread may be the Spotify mix you are looking for: Rolling Favorite Tracks + Albums 2015
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 4 September 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
i like the discover playlists and regularly check them out - any time a track choice offends me i can always tell WHY the robot thought i'd like it. but it has put me in an ironic position of feeling like big brother's not doing a good enough job at watching me sometimes. "an exile on guyville track? I KNOW i've played exile on here before...weren't you paying attention, algorithm?"
― da croupier, Friday, 4 September 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
Also essential for ILX listening: Listening to ILX Listen - 2015 Spotify Genre Playlists
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 4 September 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
Oh wow I didn't even know that thread existed!
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
croup i think it knows you've played just maybe not in a while. that could be useful, i'm sure there's plenty of albums/acts i listened to once cuz they were on aquarius records mailing list or whatever and enjoyed but never got around to listening to again and would enjoy 'rediscovering', the problem is spotify is understandably unable to distinguish between those albums vs albums you've only listened to once in the past decade because you wore them out long ago vs albums you listened to once cuz it was on a list and once was enough thx.
― balls, Friday, 4 September 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Wish Spotify could import my last.fm history to help with recommendations. I'd pay for that.
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Saturday, 5 September 2015 00:06 (nine years ago) link
I also maintain a playlist of the "Your 11 favourite songs of the moment, fuck" thread: http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/01h5cX8jtxgfJoaOBgYN4F
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 5 September 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
an article on Spotify / The Echo Nest / Listener profile Genre Clusters / Discover Weekly
Spotify is getting unbelievably good at picking music — here’s an inside look at howhttp://www.techinsider.io/inside-spotify-and-the-future-of-music-streaming
on Discover Weekly
Spotify's work with The Echo Nest has culminated (so far) in this summer's launch of Discover Weekly, that custom playlist that magically predicts what I and every other Spotify listener wants to hear. Even though the feature is barely a month old, the overall reception in reviews and on social media has been overwhelmingly positive.
“Discovery can feel like work, and we wanted it to feel very human and natural like the selections that are powering it,” Matt Ogle, the guy in charge of Discover Weekly, tells TI.
Ogle previously worked at Last.fm, a startup that pioneered a lot of work on analyzing music data, and a now-shuttered startup called This Is My Jam, which let you choose one song a week to share with your friends. Since joining Spotify earlier this year, Ogle has tried to combine both approaches to blend big data with a human touch.
Ogle gives a simple analogy for how Discover Weekly works: You’ve been playing song A and song C a lot, but it turns out that when other people play those songs together in their playlists there’s a song B that you’ve never heard before.
Discover Weekly gives you song B.
“We look at what you’ve been listening to and what are the songs playing around these songs that you’ve been jamming on,” Ogle tells Tech Insider. “We’re trying to find the missing tracks.”
During internal testing, his team realized that if you don’t recognize a single artist in a playlist, you might question if it’s actually geared for you. That’s why the playlist is intended to have a mix of mostly new tracks with a few songs you’ve heard before.
“Having a little bit of familiarity is key to building trust. It can be exhausting to just listen to stuff you’ve never heard of before,” he says.
Now it's true that the songs on Discover Weekly are chosen by algorithm, not humans, but Ogle insists that this misses the point since the whole thing is built on data created by humans — it's just that algorithms are connecting the dots on a massive scale.
“There’s something compelling about this humans versus robots narrative: a lovingly curated playlist versus an algorithm screwing up your sexy time,” says Ogle. "That whole distinction no longer really describes how we work. Discover Weekly is humans all the way down. Every single track that appears in Discover Weekly is because other humans being have said, ‘Hey this is a good song, and here’s why.’"
As popular as the new feature is, it's just the beginning for Spotify.
“We want to make sure that as mainstream or hipster as you are, Spotify can cater to you,” says Ogle. "That will involve humans and machines, and ideally it involves them skipping down the street hand-in-hand, because practically that’s the only way to get things done.”
“I see Discover Weekly as one of the first products from this new era of personalization, but ultimately we’d love for everything you interact with on Spotify to feel like there’s a bit of you in it.”
― djmartian, Sunday, 6 September 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
collaborative filtering is cool yes
I don't know how you fit it in the Spotify UI but I'd pay more attention to their recommendations if they came with some context. Even an Amazon-style "because you listened to A and C" explanation would be a start.
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Sunday, 6 September 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link
Spotify insists on giving me a Discover playlist dominated by male-centric indie every other week no matter what i've been listening to & it really makes me question the data fueling this project
glenn, any insights re: whether this issue will be addressed?
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 7 September 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
it knows you too well
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
If you give each song a fair hearing, say three plays each, that's 90 songs, which certainly makes up a fair amount of my weekly listening. I wonder if there's a feedback loop going on - a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie.
― ledge, Monday, 7 September 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
snrk
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 7 September 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link
ha, i skip over the songs i'm not feeling
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 7 September 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
> I wonder if there's a feedback loop going on
i thought the same thing.
> is this all because it's using your playing of last week's recommended racks in figuring out this week's?> ― koogs, Monday, 10 August 2015
i imagine it's very easy for this to happen.
and this data ends up in the pool for everybody else too. eventually it'll get to the point where you may as well just listen to steve lamaqc.
― koogs, Monday, 7 September 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
i just want a way to give dan deacon the world's biggest thumbs down, on spotify
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 7 September 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
I get the same thing with Gaz Coombes. Gaz Coombes!
― mike t-diva, Monday, 7 September 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
Last few weeks I had some pretty interesting eclectic Discovery playlists, with music spanning a variety of time periods and genres, but this week's playlist was pretty standard Indie/Pitchfork fare. I'm going to blame this on the fact that I decided to listen to a Spoon album earlier in the week, and now it just thinks I like boring music.
― MarkoP, Monday, 7 September 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
my playlists are pretty cool, they resemble one of those CDs that come with Mojo Magazine with some techno randomly thrown in
― brimstead, Monday, 7 September 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
I think this week is the first time my Discover playlist has had some tracks on it that had already appeared on a previous weeks discover playlist (that I've noticed)
(tracks are 'I'm in Love with a German Film Star' and 'Looking for Clues', both of which were on my first Discover weekly playlist because I remember being impressed/unsettled that it had successfully identified two of my favourite songs)
― they call him 'mr music' (soref), Monday, 7 September 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
"We think you would like <unknown artist> just as much as we think you'd like Tame Impala"
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 7 September 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Discover Weekly is just the first of many things we're working on, and a bunch of the others have more dimensions. More to come.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 7 September 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
the bastards gave me the feelies. Need a thumbsdown urgently
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 7 September 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
how dare you
― brimstead, Monday, 7 September 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
can't wait for these. discover weekly has more often than not been bang on for me.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 7 September 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
this week bar the feelies has been stuff i already really liked. no new discoveries but i guess they know stuff i do like
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 7 September 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
The Feelies seem an odd band to urgently dislike.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 7 September 2015 23:29 (nine years ago) link
oh wait right down at the bottom there is a band ive never heard of called Lonely Kamel. The shitty name suggests stoner rock?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 7 September 2015 23:29 (nine years ago) link
data mining for bragging rights: https://spotify-foundthemfirst.com
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 13:41 (nine years ago) link
That puts me in the earliest 1% of listeners for Clean Bandit, Naughty Boy & Gorgon City, the earliest 3% for Charli XCX, 5% for Ariana Grande, 8% for The 1975 & Sturgill Simpson, 9% for Quadron.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
actually, one thing that I would find interesting, though I doubt it's got broad enough appeal to be a priority for implementations, is something like those "artists unique to this state" maps, except with artists unique or at least particular to particular users (followers only, if this seems too invasive)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
i'm a sturgill simpson 2 percenter. he should be required to come to my house and do a living room concert or something.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
i like these kind of toystop nine percent for rich homie quan, kacey musgraves, a$ap ferg, earl sweatshirt, quadrontop five percent for fka twigs, ariana grande, lorde, charli xcxtwo percent for alunageorge, fifth harmony, becky gone percent for FETTY WAP
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
i've actually been enjoying the discover weekly thing, to my surprise. found a few new (to me) artists through it already. also a lot of stuff i don't like at all but i'm willing to sift through it. however,
i think this is an otm problem, not just with spotify but with predictive AI in the first place. i've been reading nick bostrom's Superintelligence the last few days and have been going down the rabbithole of discussion on this stuff. one good thing i recently read was by jaron lanier (http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai) and he talked about the recommendation feedback loop problem a little:
I want to get to an even deeper problem, which is that there's no way to tell where the border is between measurement and manipulation in these systems. For instance, if the theory is that you're getting big data by observing a lot of people who make choices, and then you're doing correlations to make suggestions to yet more people, if the preponderance of those people have grown up in the system and are responding to whatever choices it gave them, there's not enough new data coming into it for even the most ideal or intelligent recommendation engine to do anything meaningful.In other words, the only way for such a system to be legitimate would be for it to have an observatory that could observe in peace, not being sullied by its own recommendations. Otherwise, it simply turns into a system that measures which manipulations work, as opposed to which ones don't work, which is very different from a virginal and empirically careful system that's trying to tell what recommendations would work had it not intervened. That's a pretty clear thing. What's not clear is where the boundary is.If you ask: is a recommendation engine like Amazon more manipulative, or more of a legitimate measurement device? There's no way to know. At this point there's no way to know, because it's too universal. The same thing can be said for any other big data system that recommends courses of action to people, whether it's the Google ad business, or social networks like Facebook deciding what you see, or any of the myriad of dating apps. All of these things, there's no baseline, so we don't know to what degree they're measurement versus manipulation.But it's important to understand it if this is becoming the basis of the whole economy and the whole civilization. If people are deciding what books to read based on a momentum within the recommendation engine that isn't going back to a virgin population, that hasn't been manipulated, then the whole thing is spun out of control and doesn't mean anything anymore. It's not so much a rise of evil as a rise of nonsense. It's a mass incompetence, as opposed to Skynet from the Terminator movies. That's what this type of AI turns into.
In other words, the only way for such a system to be legitimate would be for it to have an observatory that could observe in peace, not being sullied by its own recommendations. Otherwise, it simply turns into a system that measures which manipulations work, as opposed to which ones don't work, which is very different from a virginal and empirically careful system that's trying to tell what recommendations would work had it not intervened. That's a pretty clear thing. What's not clear is where the boundary is.
If you ask: is a recommendation engine like Amazon more manipulative, or more of a legitimate measurement device? There's no way to know. At this point there's no way to know, because it's too universal. The same thing can be said for any other big data system that recommends courses of action to people, whether it's the Google ad business, or social networks like Facebook deciding what you see, or any of the myriad of dating apps. All of these things, there's no baseline, so we don't know to what degree they're measurement versus manipulation.
But it's important to understand it if this is becoming the basis of the whole economy and the whole civilization. If people are deciding what books to read based on a momentum within the recommendation engine that isn't going back to a virgin population, that hasn't been manipulated, then the whole thing is spun out of control and doesn't mean anything anymore. It's not so much a rise of evil as a rise of nonsense. It's a mass incompetence, as opposed to Skynet from the Terminator movies. That's what this type of AI turns into.
― 1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
i'm a charli xcx one percenter and i blame johnny fever
― feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
anyway to listen to previous Spotify Discover Weekly playlists?
― tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
Create a folder and save them each week.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
lol the only artists I got were iLoveMakonnen and A$AP Ferg
― welltris (crüt), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
I am comfortable with this.
Glenn, the new Peaches track "Dick in the Air" is attributed to the wrong Peaches. http://open.spotify.com/album/7F5bywB7OEgeoFYFf6CJPD
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 September 2015
I was on holiday so I was hoping to get last monday weeks one.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Ew on Peaches. Will pass that along.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
disambiguating artists is a lot harder than it seems like it would be
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, September 9, 2015 12:24 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha i'm identical or similar on all of those except quadron, fetty, alunageorge, 5th harmony and becky
1 percenter for charli, fka and banks
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
I'm at 1% on Charli XCX, FKA Twigs and Run the Jewels (who I can't remember ever listening to tbh). Also have Courtney Barnett and AlunaGeorge. Can't believe I was too slow for the Becky G train.
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
first 1% for fka twigs, k michelle, charli xcx, ten walls :/
obv more popular artist (all of the above meet a minimum threshold, none obscure really) makes it easy to get in that earliest percentile, would be curious who the hell i'm among the first 10 or 100 or 1000 listeners of if anyone
― balls, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
lol i wonder what percent of the first 1% of fka twigs or charli xcx listeners are on ilx or lurk at least
― balls, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure they only compute it for artists that "made it" by some metric, but yeah
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Thursday, 10 September 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link
i'm pretty sure the other formula would just yield 'holy shit this old local band's one album is on spotify'
― balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 00:06 (nine years ago) link
"no results found for porn orchard" :(
ha, if it's the same porn orchard, i had their single! john peel played it a couple of times in the early days of grunge ~1988
― feargal czukay (NickB), Thursday, 10 September 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link
I'm curious as to what results Glenn McDonald gets on the Foundthemfirst.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 10 September 2015 05:42 (nine years ago) link
yes, another first 1% for fka twigs here!
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 September 2015 05:44 (nine years ago) link
Have found with a few of the recent updates that it resets settings so you're no longer connected to last.fm and have to log back in plus the quality level has defaulted to lower too - really annoying as it's not immediately obvious in either case.
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 September 2015 08:18 (nine years ago) link
1% for Charli, 10% for Capital Cities. Skeptical of these results.
― Jeff, Thursday, 10 September 2015 11:02 (nine years ago) link
1% for Charli, 6% for the 1975
― calstars, Thursday, 10 September 2015 11:54 (nine years ago) link
Bunch of 1 percenters here I guess
― calstars, Thursday, 10 September 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
Charli XCX and FKA Twigs both placed on the 2013 eoy tracks poll, I guess a bunch of us listened to them then.
― top doctor (seandalai), Thursday, 10 September 2015 12:17 (nine years ago) link
Got CHVRCHES, Lorde, and..... 2% for Charli XCX
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Thursday, 10 September 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
i got 1% on charli xcx - if there's any evidence this thing isn't just "BRAVO, YOU'VE PLAYED ONE OF THESE FIVE BUZZ CLIPS ACTS BEFORE" i'd love to see it
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 12:57 (nine years ago) link
"oooh i wonder if this will tell me which 60s artists I..."
"YOU PLAYED CHARLI AFTER PITCHFORK TOLD YOU TO BUT BEFORE BOOM CLAP, OOOH YOU SEXY"
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 12:58 (nine years ago) link
fwiw another chvrches and charli xcx result here, don't remember the percentages
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:04 (nine years ago) link
ya i got charli, fka, rtj as 1%s tooand a couple of peeps i never heard of
― nxd, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:16 (nine years ago) link
tbf one can only upload so many press photos into that animation
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
if only i could have given mtv access to my viewing history so that it could tell me i was one of the first to see a big audio dynamite II video
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:20 (nine years ago) link
I actually got only 2 artists on my Found Them First, due to the top% thing. On the Spotify spectrum my stream-counts per artist are extremely low (and my artist counts are extremely high), so I'm almost never in any artist's top 10% of listeners by quantity or share or anything like that. Plus I was mainly using Rdio for my personal listening before the Echo Nest got bought by Spotify, so my Spotify listening history basically starts in 2014. But even without that I see only 15 of these "breakout" artists, at most, that I would think I might have found before they took off. I find lots of artists that aren't big, but most of them don't ever get big. Hit-prediction is not exactly one of my skills.
To your question, da croupier, there are more than 200 artists in the set, but obviously the top 10% of Lorde listeners encompasses a lot more people than the top 10% of Broods listeners, so it makes sense that the artists people mention are disproportionately from the handful of most popular artists. Even without the ILM selection bias...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:24 (nine years ago) link
if there are 200 artists in the set, but everybody's going to be told about the same 4, it's a bad app
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
like, at least sell it as "are you a trainspotter?" and give me access to where I stand on ALL the acts. "Who have did you hear first?" leading to an auto-play of "Boom Clap" and nothing else is a shitty payoff for ok'ing phrases as ominous as "let us manage your prive playlists"
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:35 (nine years ago) link
private playlists
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:36 (nine years ago) link
I didnt find anyone first. fuck you spotify.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:45 (nine years ago) link
But the playlist permission thing is so we can create your "Found Them First" playlist, not so we can play you the songs by the artists you already know. Did you click through to get yours?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 September 2015 13:57 (nine years ago) link
ok so i rebrought up the auto-play of "boom clap" page (and auto-play? seriously? that's like a "bad restaurant website" mistake) and the only text is
FIRST STREAMED ON DECEMBER 9, 2013CHARLI XCXKUDOS, YOU'RE IN THE FIRST 3% OF ALL LISTENERS
her picture, and below is a Tweet button and Share button (No thanks! apparently all my friends got Charli too).
There's a spotify logo in the upper left corner, the "oh you don't wanna hear boom clap right now?" button on the upper right.
aaaaaand in the middle far right there is 1/1 (representing the one artist i've been an early listener to, despite having playlists with literally every top 40 act from 1960-2000 and every modern rock charter from 1989-1999). Below that, a little white nub.
Now, I had not scrolled over the little white nub yet (gee, with this user experience, you'd think i would have been inclined to explore). Now I am, and it's revealing that my 1/1 is Charli XCX (good info), and below that are the words "Your Playlist."
So I guess that's how I click through to get the playlist I had no way of knowing was being offered until I either a) scrolled over a tiny white nub on the far right of page or b) bitched about this stupid exercise on a message board and was heard by a spotify employee.
As the only information I've been given is "You listened to charli xcx before boom clap came out" - I can't say that's enough to make me want a playlist devoted to this factoid. Sorry.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
I love that Run the Jewels is coming up in a lot of these. Congrats everyone who discovered some dudes with a decade of experience, one of them who has been on album that went 11 times platinum
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
smh @ da croupier who exhausted every way to interact with this program then says "this is not for me"
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
lol whiney "every way to interact" consisted of scrolling over a single nub and turning off auto-play
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
"after I pounded five beef 'n cheddars, I was like, 'You know what, Arby's is terrible'"
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
ok now you're really projecting
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
dogg, you logged in, used the program, posted your results on a message board (and who knows what other social media), bragged about your weird "literally every top 40 act from 1960-2000" playlists, thus completely satisfying everything Spotify wanted to accomplish with this program
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
in that way, i would say it's a grand success
whiney this would sting a lot more if you didn't try to troll me at every possibility
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
i can promise you i posted these results on no other social media
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
the beef goes on and on and on and on and
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
i inhale it
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
also i wasn't bragging about my "weird" playlist (only thing i find weird is when a nerd tries to call other nerds nerds), just giving evidence as to why i expected more than a picture of a single pop star and autoplay of their big hit when offered "who i heard first"
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
lol katherine
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
da croup, why would a top 40 act from 2000 show up in a "you listened to them on spotify before anyone else" playlist?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
I didn't find anyone first, and I blame that mostly on Canada not having Spotify till late last year, but the playlist that Spotify made for me consisted of several artists that I have already listened to on Spotify, like Susanne Sundfor, so perhaps it's just a matter of time.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:57 PM (35 minutes ago)
I was just kidding around really, Glenn. Will have a look at the playlist when I've some free time later.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
Becuz I didn't realize it was strictly hot new artists - somebody had to be in the first however many to listen to Hendrix on spotify, Terence Trent or the feelies, etc
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
In hindsight I can see this is a buzz bin congratulations thing, but nothing in the text actually suggests as much
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
So outta curiosity, what IS on a found them first playlist? Those 200 acts? The rando older acts you spun before most? There's no info on the site and Ive been schooled on playing into their game.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
Because a program that tells you that you were among the first on Spotify to listen to an already popular artist feels even more niche than what this one already does?
That being said, if I had been listneing to some obscurity from the 60s that suddenly sees a huge jump in popularity due to its use in something like a Tarantino film, it would be kind of neat to see.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link
I'm willing to admit I was prob naive to expect some kind of "yes you were among the first 20% to play Taylor dayne, you champion" nerdery but I still don't see how this app is in any way rewarding (and if the playlist is the reward its existence shouldn't be a near-secret).
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Figuring everyone who found FKA Twigs first got Nao on their playlist.
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link
The playlist you get at the end of the thing is new stuff you might be part of breaking next. Or that's the idea, anyway. Mine had some stuff I already knew and some stuff I didn't, but it was definitely worth checking out.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
lol add me to the list of ilxors who didn't know there was a playlist
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
even if you do bother to scroll over the white dot and learn there's a playlist available - you still don't know WHAT the playlist is, other than tangentially related to your being on the cutting edge re: one of 200 (though seemingly in practice, 5) buzzy acts. not pretending this is actually a big deal or anything, no need for a "settle down," just kinda baffled by the obtuseness of how this is designed.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
if the goal is have me let spotify make a RIYL Charli XCX playlist, it's a remarkably ostentatious yet uninviting one
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 September 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
The playlist is based on all your listening, not specifically the artists you "found first".
I didn't have anything to do with the design. You can tell, because there are hardly any screens packed full of tiny inscrutable numeric scores. And no metal.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 September 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
i want the name of the one person responsible for the absence of tiny inscrutable numeric scores
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
I can't give you one name, but I could give you 1500 names with a fractional culpability score for each...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
I didn't have anything to do with the design.
best thing about it imo - love the colours and animated fx on the artist pics
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Would love a big ugly data dump of all the artists where I'm in the first 1-10% of listeners.
― top doctor (seandalai), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
Cooler to show who was the first to STOP listening to an artist once they sold out...
― schwantz, Thursday, 10 September 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
i really do miss the snarky 'because you listened to _______ you should check out (horrifying possibly sarcastic suggestion)', really did replicate that old record store experience
― balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 11 September 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
"you listened to The Battle Of Evermore. Want to try The Mamas And The Papas?"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 September 2015 10:10 (nine years ago) link
Is there a way to view a list of every artist and how many followers they have?
― calstars, Friday, 11 September 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
In Found Them First, you mean? I don't think there is, and I don't know if that's intentional or not. I'll see if I can find out.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 11 September 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
Not find them first - just overall total followers. Something like:Lana Del Ray - 1,400,000Grimes - 1,200,000etc
― calstars, Saturday, 12 September 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
Ah. No, that's not available anywhere public. Not sure why not, although i know follower numbers don't always track listening volume, so that probably has something to do with it. We used to have some artist charts, but I think it was never quite clear what they were good for, so at the moment all the charts are track-based.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 12 September 2015 02:21 (nine years ago) link
all this themed stuff is fun, whether it works for me or not. discover weekly, fresh finds, found them first (which gave me 0 because i've only recently used spotify properly), throwback sodding thursday, everything.
this week's fresh finds glided so seamlessly through genres that i just let the whole thing play almost without skipping.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 12 September 2015 08:44 (nine years ago) link
Discover Weekly is uncovering artists like NICK CAVE and PIL and WIRE for me this week.
― passive aggressive DN (onimo), Sunday, 13 September 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
^this. I mean, nice set of songs. I'm not the target consumer for this thing anyway, I have impeccable taste, don't trust rando people at Spotify to have better taste in music than me. *rewinds side b of invisible touch*
― brimstead, Sunday, 13 September 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
yeah i have to wonder if the goal is maintaining a set of songs i'll enjoy more than actually making me discover anything - increasingly i'm seeing songs - not just artists - that I KNOW i've already played plenty on spotify. i feel like the text would often be "you played World Party's second biggest hit last week, care to discover their biggest hit?" & "you clearly like 'black metallic' by catherine wheel, wanna hear 'black metallic' by catherine wheel"?
― da croupier, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
that said there ARE some "artist like artist you've played"s between the "other songs by artists you've played" and "songs you've played." I just wish it didn't come off so timid about leaving my safety zone, if it's gonna be sold as DISCOVER rather than ENJOY.
― da croupier, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
it's not unlike the bit in The Ten with bobby canavale and ad miles
"wanna hear roberta flack?"
"hey, how about Killing Me Softly?"
"eh, that's a little Roberta 101. Here, let's try Greatest Hits, track 2..."
― da croupier, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
it's possible the average spotify listener blasting early alt-rock on the reg doesn't wanna be pushed any further than "mind if we slip some guadacanal diary in with your cure and depeche?" though
― da croupier, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
This week I got Brenton Wood's Oogum Boogum Song on my playlist, which I may have heard before but couldn't identify, and I found it delightful. Though now I've just learned that's apparently been used in a KIA ad, so that makes me a little disapppointed.
― MarkoP, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
wish there was a "I am familiar with this artist already, please exclude from future discover playlists" ticker
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 14 September 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
as much as I love Charli XCX I think I am all discovered on that front
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 14 September 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
It's true that DW is not really attempting, at the moment, to aggressively push your boundaries. Think of it as just the beginning. If it's getting the kind of thing you like, it's proving that the basic personalization approach is working. Then we can start to apply that personalization to other sources of material, like Fresh Finds or new releases...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
I'm pretty cool with it just coughing up more 70s AM gold nuggets not currently in my playlists. The only real problem, as with all things of this nature (Netflix being the worst at this in my experience) is that you can't ever really tell it ''no, I know about that, I just think it sucks'' or ''i only want to listen to that artist in the context of their albums'' or ''i only dig their rambling story-songs, not their stabs at political relevancy'' or w/e. Like if there's any opportunty to low-rate things, I avoid it because I know the machine will never know *why* I'm hitting that button, and the distortions will pile up from there. So it goes.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
I'm pretty cool with it just coughing up more 70s AM gold nuggets not currently in my playlists
yeah i'd just like to not see stuff from my playlists
― da croupier, Monday, 14 September 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
xpost Yes, me too. Which is why we're trying to mostly rely on listening, not "tuning", so you don't waste your time trying to pre-second-guess the robots.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 14 September 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
I'd like to convince it I'm not the incarnation of the part of idolator that reads like popjustice
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out
― balls, Monday, 14 September 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
i spent last week making a huge '80s playlist so my discover weekly this week is amazing lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Monday, September 14, 2015 2:22 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's the thing though, no matter how hard I try to influence it, it does not budge.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 14 September 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Maybe try a couple solid weeks of Turkish hip hop and reggaeton.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
Beck, Bjork, The Smiths, JAMC, MBV, Cocteau Twins, Belle and Sebastian, Super Furries, Broadcast, plus a side order of The Fall, Talking Heads, Gang of Four, Durutti Column. I haven't escaped the male-centric indie spiral but it's finally figured out when my tastes formed.
― ledge, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 12:42 (nine years ago) link
Also, does the algorithm for the Discovery Playlist put any thought into order and flow of the playlist, or does it just find a bunch of random songs you might like and puts them in no particular order?
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
At the moment there's no particular internal order to the tracks, but this is an obvious area for future work...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
My Recent Artists over the last two weeks have been mostly metallic (Electric Wizard, Uncle Acid, Earth, Black Sabbath, Candlemass, Cirith Ungol, Enslaved, Myrkyr, Ulver, Opeth, Tribulation) but this week's Discovery Playlist remains much in the vein of the earlier ones I've received, strong on jazz and neo-soul ... the main change this time appears to be less soul and more old post-punk (always welcome) and current indie (somewhat less so). There's one Sabbath track (the atypical"Planet Caravan"), otherwise zero metal.
All my Discovery Playlists have been great so far, with very few tracks I wanted to skip, so I am not complaining at all ... it's just interesting to try to figure out how and when listening history affects results.
― Brad C., Tuesday, 15 September 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Oooh, Running!
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
Charli XCX was a hidden gem until you took notice.
Now see how much your support means by logging into Found Them First and watching Charli XCX’s exclusive thank you video.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
(I am assuming everyone else got this, or close to this)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link
lol i just got one of those for k. michelle
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
would watch k michelle's exclusive thank you video
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
Ron Jeremy was a hidden gem until you took notice.Now see how much your support means by logging intoFound Them First and watching Ron Jeremy’s exclusive thank you video.
Now see how much your support means by logging intoFound Them First and watching Ron Jeremy’s exclusive thank you video.
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
https://www.spotify.com/us/jobs/view/oTes1fwk/
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 September 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
from the "what you'll do" section of above job description:
Identify and substantiate playlist hypotheses.
should be new description of ILM. though maybe it's a little too on-the-nose.
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 20 September 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
That's good solid Spotify-speak. You will really do that. You will really talk and think about it that way.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 20 September 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Finally clicked on Discover Weekly about an hour ago. Few tunes and even fewer artists I was unfamiliar with, but still a pleasant listening experience. Seems like more than one of us got recommended "Mystic Eyes," by Them.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 04:25 (nine years ago) link
i liked mine
however it did recommend will young 😱😱😱
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 September 2015 08:01 (nine years ago) link
would like to congratulate whoever wrote that job ad for their restraint in not asking for a rock star candidate
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 21 September 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link
Mine didn't update this week for some reason.
― MarkoP, Monday, 21 September 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
ditto
― steppenwolf in white van speaker scam (ledge), Monday, 21 September 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link
Thirded. Guess I didn't need to listen to the whole thing last night.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link
fourthed
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 21 September 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
glenn mcdonald to thread!
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
Had been looking forward to it showing up. Now it is the slight pang of seeing the unopened box of Scholastic Books on the teacher's desk.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
I updated my desktop app this weekend and now my Local Files list is completely hosed, it doesn't seem to be able to load properly.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Monday, 21 September 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
no playlist for me either
― tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 21 September 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
DW updating hit a glitch, but feverish repairs are underway. Do not despair, the music is not lost.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 September 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
I am having to discover stuff all by myself :o
― nashwan, Monday, 21 September 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
On September 21, 2015, Spotify became self-aware.
― da croupier, Monday, 21 September 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
http://i.investopedia.com/dimages/graphics/spotify_logo.jpgglenn, I'm afraid I can't do that
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
try againhttp://evolver.fm/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/spotify-logo.pngI'm sorry, glenn, I'm afraid I can't do that
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
Gizmodo: Going back to the waves for a second. What are they?CW: *laughing* I was the first guy to do the logo back in 2006 and we came up with the waves then. It's basically illustrating streaming. Or at least that's what the thought was back then and now. It's supposed to be streaming.AH: I've read some discussions on Twitter that it's audio waves. But we think of it as streaming. It's good that it could be both.
but the waves in a stream do not diverge, CW! maybe it illustrates estuary-ing!
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 21 September 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Heraclitus_b_4_compressed.jpg/383px-Heraclitus_b_4_compressed.jpg
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 September 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
love his pepsi logo
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 21 September 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
i got discover weekly for the first time last week and if a human being had put that playlist together and said "here are some songs i think you'd like that you haven't heard before!" i would have been profoundly offended tbh
i'm not gonna type all of them up but this is a good representation:
james brown - i feel goodblondie - heart of glassrick springfield - jessie's girlrighteous bros - you've lost that lovin feelinearth wind and fire - septembersupremes - reflectionstom jones - delilahomi - cheerleader (not the rmx version that i've listened to which makes this a lazy ass recommendation)bananarama - cruel summerchubby checker - the twist
FIRST of all i think all those were literally #1 songs? you think i need to "discover" these? don't insult me spotify, not after all the time we spend together.
second why are they almost all oldies (only two of my recs were from the last 30 years)? i realize i may be messing up my recommendations by listening to glenn miller and duke ellington for hours on end as my bg study music but i can't draw the line from that to bananarama.
i mean don't get me wrong these are all jamz of the highest order but i didn't need spotify to tell me that.
my playlist this week is an improvement in terms of newer stuff and stuff i haven't heard, but it still has macho man, love will keep us together and never gonna give you up on it so my final grade is
o_O o_O o_O three side-eyes out of four
― musically, Monday, 21 September 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah I think it wd be very nice if, say, it would use number of spotify plays total on a track as an argument against foisting ir on you. maybe even, the more youve listened to whatever is making it think you'll like an extremely popular song, the more likely it is to go, man, this guy is a serious grunge fan, so if he's not listening to 'smells like teen spirit' it's probably by choice.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 21 September 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
It's been most interesting seeing how many monthly listeners some of my favorite artists have:
A Sunny Day in Glasgow: 38,000Pinback: 133,000Ariel Pink: 90,000John Maus: 60,000Nite Jewel: 31,000Roman a Clef: 646
― calstars, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 00:05 (nine years ago) link
By contrast:
Drake: 14,000,000
― calstars, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 00:07 (nine years ago) link
I still wish there was a way to access the list that these numbers are stored in : )
Averaging 3 listens per listener and a $.007 royalty rate, this works out to:
ASDIG $798Pinback $2,793Apink $1,890Maus $1,260Nite J $651RAC $14Drake $294,000
― calstars, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
More than I expected
do remember that's the amount that goes to the "rights holders" - there's a whole 'nother breakdown before we get to What's In Drake's Wallet
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
a nine month old condom, a receipt from tim hortons and a discover card
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 00:20 (nine years ago) link
updated now; still trying to reverse-engineer what the hell keeps putting shit like HAERTS and such in here. my best guess is goldfrapp is responsible, but given that all I listen to from them is Tales of Us...
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link
Wondering if it compensates for track lengths or if it's just the standard audioscrobbler 2 minutes = tick! algorithm. Listening to a 60 minute track represents just as much commitment to an artist as a 15 track album.
― steppenwolf in white van speaker scam (ledge), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Some of our things are duration-sensitive, some are not. Most of our playlist-generation things also use constrained duration ranges, because sticking a 60:00 track into a multi-song playlist is usually worse than picking something shorter. For some of my genre-based lists I have specific exceptions to this, so 18:30 symphony movements are OK in classical, for instance...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
LOL at that list above that starts w "I Feel Good"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
well MY discover playlist updated, and while it's a TERRIFIC mix in terms of Other Songs By Acts You Like, And Big Hits By Acts Like Act You Like, the word "discover" feels downright sarcastic to describe it
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Big Hits By Acts Like Acts You Like, rather
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link
that's not totally fair, though. I count about 3 groups I haven't heard before, and maybe 5 or 6 big acts that I might not have gotten around to playing on Spotify yet. But one of those is "How Soon Is Now" by the Smiths.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
I enjoy my Discover playlist. I finally listened to Magazine (like The Clash meets Joy Division!) and John Maus or whatever. Both artists I had heard of but never explored. Bonus points for throwing in Compulsion by Martin Gore, but with the two exceptions I mentioned above, none of the tracks or artists were Discoveries. It's a good start though.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
i say this not to say "this sucks" - because i totally listen to this solid playlist. it's more that I would also LOVE a discover spotify playlist that avoiding picking songs and bands it should be transparent I've already discovered based on my listening history.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
This will come...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
cool!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
I would love to see what hoary chestnuts are in mine, but it's doing that thing where you start the program and have to wait for 3-5 minutes of spinning animations before any of the panels populate with anything.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
I know its been gone forever but getting rid of the starred feature is still almost enough to jump. I miss it every day. I try to use the plus sign in the same way but now don't have a one click way to add a whole album to listen to later without adding every track to my favorite tracks. I just don't get why that feature was removed, WHYYYYYYY.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
the worst thing is that the Star list is still there but i can't make additions so it sits there and mocks me.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
well i can add to it but not by just hitting a star so i,m not doing it.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
glenn, feel free to cut and paste this to a higher up muckety muck if it's helpful:
I am a spotify power user and have the service running about 18 hours a day. Following repeated dissatisfaction with updated versions of Spotify, I downgraded to v.8.5 several months ago. It functions easier and the interface is far cleaner. Though I do miss some of the updated features, statistics and the ability to subscribe to artists, I have not been tempted to upgrade at any point.
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
yeah haven't added a single track to it since the feature was removed xp.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Re: starring, you can just drag the album cover over to the Starred playlist. Or any other playlist.
The new client has been dramatically improved since several months ago, so a) you could try it again, and b) if you aren't willing to try it again, you're kind of saying you don't care whether it's actually better now, which is totally your prerogative but kind of makes your feedback moot.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Still waiting for DW update. Not really expecting Roborec to be like the proverbial cool kid in high school back in the day, just want it to be basically in the right direction with a couple of new Topics For Further Research. Still, lol at the "I Feel Good" playlist.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
xp I will likely retry an upgrade at some point to see what's improved; my point is that feature bloat and functionality wavering is scaring me off
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:33 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's ways around all of this of course (with a couple steps) but being able to star a track on the phone at a stop light or on my desktop without having to drag anything around was my favorite feature. idk whatever i should get over it probs but then i start messing around on apple music and see that little heart that I can click by the track and start to wondering...
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
I haven't gotten over it. Stars forever.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
http://www.searchviews.com/images/sneetches.gif
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
people complaining itt will receive aaron neville's cotton jingle repeated 12 times in their discover playlist next week
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
Latest playlist looks okay. Mostly reasonably familiar, some novelties, one band I hate. I'll take it.
Lol at Sneetches.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
i still love spotify! i probably won't leave it xp. DONT MESS WITH MY DW PLAYLIST OK
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
Have to say, in the 6(?) weeks of Discover Weekly, I have been led to at least six albums I love that I didn't know of before, including at least one band I had previously ignored due to their shitty name
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 02:13 (nine years ago) link
spotify sent me spotifymail in Portuguese because I listen to some Brazilian music?
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Legal.
― The Starry-Eyed Messenger Service (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
does one need to upgrade to Spotify Premium in order to get this 'about' tab and the information about monthly listeners and stuff? I have Spotify Unlimited and I can't see it
― soref, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
xp don't get me wrong. i love that i can trick spotify into believing that i am a bilingual person with an interest in exercise. but it'd be nice if spotify knew that I am neither of those things. and if spotify could also interpret my dreams. so many sheaves of corn in there doing myriad things.
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
I also loved the star feature - adding something to my library isn't the same, and going through multiple steps to add something to the star playlist isn't nearly as convenient and quick, particularly if I'm distracted. I have no idea why that feature went away.
One feature I do like that Spotify added was the quick scrolling index on the right when you look up your albums/playlists/artists. I've built a big collection of saved music and it was a pain getting to the bottom of the list manually.
Things that are still on my wish list:
-Spotify automatically adds music from your iPhone to Spotify-Local files can be integrated into your saved albums (right now I have to access all my personal music via saved playlists)-playback history that's more substantive than just a short list of "recently played" albums - if I'm listening to an 8 hr playlist that someone put together I'd like to know where I left off when I come back to the app.
― musically, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
http://www.spotify-mixmates.com/
Kinda wish they'd just do this by checking out both yours and your mate's listening history. Like a mash-up of the intersection of both of your DW lists...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link
For me, multiple tabs/windows. If I'm browsing through a huge artist discography, click away from it to play something, and go back to the huge discog, I've got to scroll through the same mile of stuff (that can't be counted on to be in chronological order). Is it to prevent people from gaming the royalty system by playing multiple streams simultaneously? Seems like it would be pretty easy to write a safeguard into the app so that only one stream can play at a time.
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:08 (nine years ago) link
^^^ yeah, this
― sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:26 (nine years ago) link
Def
― Spottie, Thursday, 24 September 2015 03:40 (nine years ago) link
Glenn, is that anything that's ever come up in Spotifyville?
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:31 (nine years ago) link
"For a song like 'All About That Bass', that I wrote, which had 178 million streams.. I mean $5,679? That's my share," "That's as big a song as a songwriter can have in their career and number one in 78 countries. But you're making $5,600 (£3,700).
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/88542
― piscesx, Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
So there is a God after all.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 September 2015 12:40 (nine years ago) link
I suspect, as with the referenced similar Aloe Blacc complaint, he's actually talking about Pandora, not Spotify. "All About That Bass" has 290m streams on Spotify, which would be worth about $290k in publishing royalties. Dunno what his deal is like, but if his publisher takes half and he splits the rest with Meghan, he'd get $70k+ just from Spotify.
Plus, if he gets any part of the performance royalties, from producing the song, those are 5x the publishing. (From Spotify. Pandora is different...)
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
I don't know why we haven't done multiple windows. Probably just never seemed as high-priority as other things...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
It would be so nice to have "playlist I'm listening to right now" and "artist discog I'm pondering for future listening" both visible at the same time, or in tabs I can jump between without losing my spot in either one. This has been at the top of my wish list for a while now:
― WilliamC, Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:45 AM (1 year ago)
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
You can have multiple tabs/windows of the web UI open at once. Not the same thing, I realize, but better than nothing for some purposes...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 24 September 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
the burger menu concept on ios is a headache. having to climb all the way back to the top just to do something like toggle offline mode drives me insane. (the fact that i even have to use offline mode also drives me insane but spotify support had no answers for that.)
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
Yeah it's pretty terrible. It's like you've driven a car into a dead-end alley and you have to brake, change the gear, look behind you, and reverse around a couple of corners just in order to get to the next place you want to go.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
I mean, burger menus are fine if they're always present, or invokable with a simple gesture.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 September 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link
or always present. if spotify's burger menu were at least accessible from all screens, not just the top-level ones, it'd be heaps easier to work with.
really it should go back to tabs tbh.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 24 September 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
ahh those graphs are brutal!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 September 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link
for a couple weeks everytime i pulled up the play.spotify.com web player it defaulted to a smoking popes album i'm pretty sure i never listened to in the first place, it was quite distressing as you can imagine
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 September 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
Spotify should deliver burgers
― brimstead, Thursday, 24 September 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
dis burger weekly
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 25 September 2015 01:56 (nine years ago) link
"Posted: September 24, 2015 at 5:59:02 PMYeah it's pretty terrible. It's like you've driven a car into a dead-end alley and you have to brake, change the gear, look behind you, and reverse around a couple of corners just in order to get to the next place you want to go."
Back on Spotify on Ios5 there was a persistent bottom bar with search, etc. very convenient
― calstars, Friday, 25 September 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
I spend way too much time in this thread on entitled complaining, so here's the running playlist of pleasant *actual* discoveries from it:
https://open.spotify.com/user/1239159458/playlist/2b8qsigIW5aigW6lTGjcoI
(this week's entry is Springtime Carnivore. this particular track I like, even though when it starts I keep expecting it to turn into Cathy Davey's "Clean and Neat" and am let down for a few seconds)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 25 September 2015 07:29 (nine years ago) link
Are you guys talking about the Spotify Hipster Boyfriend app?
I love, love, love him. Never change him. He is a source of endless amusement and WTF-ery. Seriously, the idea of having an automated suggest function which acts like your own personal Hipster Boyfriend popping up in the middle of your listening to something to suggest something like "I see you're listening to (let's say New Order). Have you heard this band... They're really obscure... you might not have heard of them... called Joy Division?" He is *so* smarmy and irritating, I love him to bits.
I've followed him since he moved from sending me weekly emails to popping up while I was playing albums, and now he makes me a terrible-brilliant-awful hipster boyfriend mixtape every week. The mixture of so-obvious-it-hurts plus WTF plus every now and then he gets something so absolutely *right* (I'm actually shocked when he introduces me to something genuinely brilliant i hadn't heard before.) that redeems his entire existence - earlier this year he made me listen to a Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith thing which was a synth-prog concept album about Euclid's Axioms? And I was like SHB!!! YOU GET IT! YOU TOTALLY *GET* IT!!!
But then he'll turn around and be all "I see you're listening to tons of Kraftwerk and Cluster. Might I recommend a band... really obscure... you might not have heard of them? Called... Popol Vuh?" and I just laugh myself sick and want to pat him on the head and say "thanks for coming out, love". (Tho someone on Twitter said that it was actually a helpful call, because there used to be no Popol Vuh on Spotify at all, and actually he might just have been calling my attention to the fact that there was music of theirs at all, on Spotify now?)
Whoever invented Spotify Hipster Boyfriend, thank you. You have enriched my life in so many ways! Endless amusement!
― Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Friday, 25 September 2015 07:46 (nine years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:02 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
And now Arstechnica fixed the headline (but not the URL) for http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/songwriter-tells-us-house-he-made-5679-from-178-million-spotify-streams/ and added this note at the bottom:
This article's headline originally stated that the payments in question were made by Spotify, when they were in fact made by Pandora.
I suspect that if they'd written about Toyota or Ford cheating on diesel emissions tests, the "correction" would be a little more involved.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 25 September 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link
Looks like Spotify Discovery has decided to give up on recommending me new music. This week it has recommended 5 songs that it already put on past playlists, and 6 other artists that it put other songs on by before.
― MarkoP, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
Did you listen to them on the previous playlists? I've had a couple of duplicates but I figured I maybe skipped over them last time they came up.
― jeff benzos (onimo), Monday, 28 September 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
Mine is much improved this week - a decent number of keepers.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
carpentersflorence + the machinebarbara streisandjack savoretti
in mine :(
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 28 September 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pG8rCw1.png
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 11:40 (nine years ago) link
Like, this message just shows all the time, every day. Does turning off the computer not count as restarting? I couldn't give a fuck what version I'm on - just let me go a day without this message please.
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 11:42 (nine years ago) link
Neu! Sonic Youth Blur My Bloody Valentine in mine. But if they didn't call it 'discover' I would probably be ok with it, it's good.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 11:45 (nine years ago) link
Weird thing: I listen to a lot of rap on spotify, but there's never any rap in my discoveries.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 12:09 (nine years ago) link
I got "Girls Girls Girls" recently but that's it
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 12:11 (nine years ago) link
i kinda love how if i played the Violent Femmes' 3 and Hallowed Ground discover weekly would be like, "hey...you ever heard Blister In The Sun?"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
"Weird thing: I listen to a lot of rap on spotify, but there's never any rap in my discoveries."
weird indeed: I never listen to rap but there were like 6 rap songs on my list this week. wtf
― tobo73, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
one of you needs to discover rap, the other doesn't
― poster marked "WHITE PPL" (onimo), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
point taken
― tobo73, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
another article on Discover Weekly @ Spotify
TASTEMAKERHow Spotify’s Discover Weekly cracked human curation at internet scalehttp://www.theverge.com/2015/9/30/9416579/spotify-discover-weekly-online-music-curation-interview
On, Discover Weekly
Spotify has built a taste profile for each user based on what they listen to. It assigns an affinity score to artists, which is the algorithm’s best guess of how central they are to your taste. It also looks at which genres you play the most to decide where you would be willing to explore new music.
The algorithms behind Discover Weekly finds users who have built playlists featuring the songs and artists you love. It then goes through songs that a number of your kindred spirits have added to playlists but you haven’t heard, knowing there is a good chance you might like them, too. Finally, it uses your taste profile to filter those findings by your areas of affinity and exploration. Because the playlist, that explicit act of curation, is both the source of the signal and the final output, the technique can achieve results far more interesting than run of the mill collaborative filtering. ......
In Discover Weekly, each time a user with similar taste playlists a certain song, it’s a vote that the song will sound good to you when paired with other tracks on that playlist.
Ajay Kalia, the product lead for Taste Profiles, says its crucial to keep humans in the loop. There is a camp that believes if you just have enough data, and smarter algorithms, a curation machine will emerge discovers new and innovative ways to predict your taste. That might be true when sorting data on weather, says Kalia, but not for something as emotional as music. "I think we'll always have to start with patterns that map to the way people actually relate to music."It’s still humans who are doing the song selection and arranging, but instead of outside experts, it’s users like you and me. Generating a human-curated playlist for each of Spotify’s users would be a challenge of mammoth proportion. "We probably can’t hire enough editors to do that," says Ogle. So Spotify uses each of its users as one cog in a company-wide curatorial machine. "The answer was staring us in the face: playlists, since the beginning, have been more or less the basic currency of Spotify. Users have made more than 2 billion of them." In effect, Discover Weekly sidesteps the man versus machine debate and delivers the holy grail of music recommendation: human curation at scale.
also, there is a picture of Spotify's New York offices, is Glenn's desk in view?
― djmartian, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
I like my Discovery lists for the most part, but there are times during the week when I think, "Oh God, I hope it doesn't think I'm all of a sudden a huge Rick Springfield fan."
― pplains, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
but you haven’t heard
LIES
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
My desk is in Boston, not New York...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
should i feel bad that i've never worked on a laptop in front of a desktop, is that the thing to do now
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
You don't actually win anything by finding something to snip at in every situation.
(External monitors.)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
dude i just hadn't seen an office where everyone was doing that before, don't take it personal
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
i think might be easier for everybody with we had a specific "ask glenn" thread so discussion about everything from office set-up to industry politics wouldn't be assumed to be directed at a company employee
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
if we had, i mean
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
think the laptop->dock->external monitor setup is v popular
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
yeah my boss has that, but he uses the monitor. i didn't think that's what i was looking at since everybody's either looking at the laptop or there are different icons in the windows etc etc. ready to believe i'm ign'nt about it.
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
well you can do extended desktop, which is great, but nobody is ilx'ing in that office. it'd be impossible in that open design.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
prbly ilx'ing on their phones tbh
wait how many people here are spotify employees, if "snarky customer fascinated with industry economics" is the minority maybe i should find MY own thread
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
i do not work for spotify, if that is the impression you are getting
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
but I'd guess we are probably the only ones
I don't think anybody needs their own thread. But consider whether this one wouldn't be better if you behaved like your real name were on your posts and sometimes pictures of your workplace appeared in public.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
jesus christ, i wrote "should i feel bad that i've never worked on a laptop in front of a desktop, is that the thing to do now" - do you want me to apologize for implying it looked hip
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
spotify is a huge controversial company dramatically affecting an industry and getting a lot of attention. can you imagine if some uber employee was like "HEY REMEMBER I WORK THERE, BE RESPECTFUL" in the thread about it? seriously, if you're going to etiquette police to the point where somebody noting the desk set-up has you tongue-clucking, maybe these convos shouldn't co-exist with "hey glenn any chance stars are coming back?" so you can feel less attacked
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
but it's not even a desktop. maybe a picture of a monitor should be in your discover weekly next monday.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
^being a dick bc Sufjan Grafton is not my real name tbf
next to a picture of a ps2, because i like ps3s and ps4s
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I'm not sure that Discover Weekly would be better if it started assuming that you've heard things, even if you haven't played them on spotify. I suppose there could be a way to set your affinity for artists that you don't want to spend time listening to, though. It's probably in the works, if it's a good idea.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
it's pretty elegant that all of the DW data is collected passively. I don't want to spend time sorting through artists and rating them 1-10 like this is some horrible Netflix algorithm. The DW algorithm seems to be onto something good.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
i'm not sure, either. that's why i've noted it recommends i discover not just artists but songs i've played and playlisted on spotify.
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
this thread is fine, get over yourself
― brimstead, Friday, 2 October 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
the irony is i conducted myself waaaaay worse when i was a penn state employee posting under my real name
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
they might yet melt your statue
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
glenn don't let croup get you down. i enjoy spotify and yr contributions here. i don't know why he hates you.
― balls, Friday, 2 October 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure balls knows this, but just in case anyone's genuinely confused, i neither hate glenn nor want him to leave ilx. i simply think we should have separate threads for discussion OF a company and interacting with a company employee in that capacity, as there's some needless static being caused by the conflation.
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
i'm glad someone at the company wants to hear all the random suggestions and criticism of the product by meganerds on a micro-level. i also want the freedom to snark about a corporate monolith and discuss its wheelings and dealings, as we do so many companies, without being told i'm hurting that employee's feelings.
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
The algorithms behind Discover Weekly finds users who have built playlists featuring the songs and artists you love. It then goes through songs that a number of your kindred spirits have added to playlists but you haven’t heard, knowing there is a good chance you might like them, too.
― djmartian, Friday, October 2, 2015 12:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
1) oh cool, now I can blame actual humans 2) does it make me more of a shit or less of a shit to blame people than some amorphous idea of an algorithm that almost certainly doesn't resemble reality
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
croup otm
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
should probably add
3) which is more of a winning strategy: to go through and spotify-listen to everything I've already heard to knock them permanently out of contention (and throw the artist some extra fraction of a cent), or to avoid doing so knowing that will only further cement whatever it is that it thinks I like
4) all this time and energy could probably go to something more useful, like extreme couponing or gaming referral contests
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
or more time on ilx
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 October 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
Just listen to what you like. If it's practical, listen to things that you like more than things you don't like.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 October 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
but when you're in trouble you call DW
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
but that would be too simple
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link
I'm already on a paid account, but I would totally pay cash money (even more of it) to blanket exclude individual artists so that Spotify Hipster Boyfriend never, ever tries to tell me about Joy Division ever again, OK?
― Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 3 October 2015 11:42 (nine years ago) link
50 Genres With The Strangest Names On Spotifyhttps://insights.spotify.com/uk/2015/09/30/50-strangest-genre-names/#more-1888by Eliot Van Buskirk
― djmartian, Saturday, 3 October 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Are those "Deep" categories really genres though?
― MarkoP, Saturday, 3 October 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link
Also didn't Echonest used to have a "Sexy" genre or something like that?
― MarkoP, Saturday, 3 October 2015 13:45 (nine years ago) link
I take a very broad view of "genre". Think of them as listening clusters.
I retired "sexy" a while ago. When the Echo Nest was an independent company, "sexy" demonstrated an important point about how we could have "genres" based on any idea. We imagined that our partners would want to create their own individual genre systems, so flexibility seemed critical. In practice, though, nobody ever actually wanted that.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
Could they at least bring it back next year for the ten year anniversary of Futuresex/Lovesounds?
― MarkoP, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
while spotify is refining DW i hope they come up with a way to clump together re-recordings so they don't put the same song twice on the same playlist. i get it spotify, you think i'll like sleepwalk by santo and johnny and sleepwalk by santo and johnny-il meglio (which means best in italian so i assume it's a remnant of a poorly cataloged greatest hits album or something). instrumentals from the 40s-60s in particular have recordings all over the place on spotify so i hope they are able to consolidate how they treat them with their recommendations.
also i need to reprimand spotify again for its lack of chill in recommending older tracks...roger miller, floyd cramer and slim whitman are three of my most played artists of 2015 but you are gonna recommend "i'm sorry" by brenda lee to me? come onnnnn.
― musically, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
my account was hacked the other night...I logged in and someone else was playing some shite music. I could control it from my phone however, so I maxed out the volume on their end. They turned it back down, and I turned it back up. This went on and on until they dropped off.
― calstars, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
anyway despite changing passwords, and wifi credentials, this happened again the following night. not sure what is going on.
― calstars, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
Go to spotify's website and log out of all devices in your account settings. then change your pw again.
― musically, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
https://ifttt.com/recipes/313128-archive-spotify-discover-weekly-tracks
I use this for auto archive of discovery list
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 9 October 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sweet. I'm gonna try it.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 10 October 2015 04:56 (nine years ago) link
Spotify are now archiving all Spotify Fresh Finds on this mega playlist
https://open.spotify.com/user/predict0/playlist/6Rz1nHuFleZtPxcdy9rFlB
527 tracks so far
― djmartian, Saturday, 10 October 2015 09:09 (nine years ago) link
I didn't get an updated DW today
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 12 October 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
what time zone are you? in the UK it arrived later than normal
― djmartian, Monday, 12 October 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
East coast US
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 12 October 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link
ok got it now
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 12 October 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link
Really really poor stuff when it comes to the updates undoing/reverting your settings every time. Does this happen for everyone? If so they could at least include an alert message suggesting we check settings on launch.
― nashwan, Monday, 12 October 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
as with iTunes, I will update this program only when forced to
― sleeve, Monday, 12 October 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
really getting tired of locating and re-setting the "please don't start this program when I start my computer" setting. I mean resetting that is just rude.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 12 October 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
forilz
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
"Enjoy a relaxing evening."
Thanks Spotify, I will. Just after my 2 minutes hate, when I am ready for peaceable recreation.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
my desktop app won't boot up anymore :/
― Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 October 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
the ultimate flag post from glenn
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Spotify Support is another really good thing for which I can take absolutely no credit. They can fix you.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
The Android version is better than the it's in that the hamburger gives you the full menu. Including search. So you don't have to go all the way back.
― calstars, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link
*ios
― calstars, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
I'm not sure how to report this, but Suicide's second album has a track mix-up. Track 5, "Touch Me," has the audio for track 6, "Harlem," and vice-versa: http://open.spotify.com/album/4X26FOEhz57Q7y6xKF9MrO
― welltris (crüt), Friday, 16 October 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
"Spotify is like a villainous cabal of major labels. The business is built from the ground up as a way to circumvent the idea of paying their artists."
http://pitchfork.com/news/61661-joanna-newsom-spotify-is-the-banana-of-the-music-industry-it-just-gives-off-a-fume/
― scott seward, Friday, 16 October 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
new username up for grabs with that link headline...someone should snap that up.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 October 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
original interview:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-joanna-newsom-spotify-villainous-cabal-garbage-system-20151015-story.html
― scott seward, Friday, 16 October 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
http://wiki.godvillegame.com/images/thumb/b/bf/Banana_Head.jpg/175px-Banana_Head.jpg
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 16 October 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
related issue re songwriting royaltieshttp://www.wsj.com/articles/songwriters-lose-out-on-royalties-1444864895
i'd have a lot more sympathy for spotify's "look we gave billions to Rights Holders, whaddyawant" stance if they were more transparent about their relationship with certain Rights Holders. you can't claim you're pro-artist & that the majors are the swindlers while in a collusive relationship with the majors.
― da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
http://assets0.thefourohfive.com/data/6920/feature/Gaz-Coombes-April-2012.jpg?1337666628
― Vaz Coombes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 October 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
spotify just decides not to connect like 30% of the time for me now, regardless what device i'm using. endless spinning circles.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
Whats w nv imagebombing every thread
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
Gaz Coombes
― Vaz Coombes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Yes i know who it is who cares
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
Gaaaaz Coooooooombes
― Vaz Coombes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
Are you okay?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
Gz Cmbs
― Vaz Coombes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
gaz coombes?
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Gaz. Coombes.
― Ms Bozo Cage (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
Gaz it.
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
Pretty damning to be compared to a nutritious, healthy food.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 October 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
Also is she shaming crust punks here? Dumpster diving is an excellent way to reduce waste.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 October 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
overripe bananas have a lot of use.
― Spottie, Friday, 16 October 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
in simile, for example
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 16 October 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/ripe-banana-old-mushy-ugly-but-so-sweet-and-great-for-dessert-yes_n_5715925.html
These all look pretty good.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 October 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
that link is stinkin up the thread
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 16 October 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
Noticed this change on Spotify UK, Biography on Artist profiles has been replaced with About
new meta information on Spotify artist profiles on the spotify Windows desktop app: About
the number of monthly listeners (for popular artists you can see their current global ranking, e.g Chvrches are ranked 214th)
Where people listen - top 5 cities
Discovered on: lists the top 5 current playlists where the artist was discovered on. Useful feature for discovering playlists.
― djmartian, Saturday, 17 October 2015 12:43 (nine years ago) link
About tab is great, I didn't realise, for example, how popular Dave Edmunds is in Sweden
― strictly dream-bait fit for moon-gazing (soref), Saturday, 17 October 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
lol, just went to check that and it's twue, it's twue. Just listened to "I Hear You Knocking" and now "Girls Talk."
― Raz Turned Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 October 2015 05:24 (nine years ago) link
Pretty much every artist I click on is most popular in London - are there just more people using Spotify there than anywhere else?
― pep ponk aliyev (seandalai), Sunday, 18 October 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
geographical population stats, bigger population, larger user base, therefore more likely to dominate top lists.
― djmartian, Sunday, 18 October 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Yes, these are based on straight counts, not anything fancy.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Glenn,
Couple questions maybe you can shine some light on...
Any chance of adding AllMusic album reviews, in addition to artist profiles?Any chance of adding user reviews and comments to tracks/artists/albums (either generated from within Spotify or from an external source like AllMusic?) This will probably be controversial but I often find it difficult to find discussion of a certain track, for example.
― westofrome, Monday, 19 October 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
No, sorry, I don't have any insight on those.
(I'm not personally a big fan of attaching discussions to individual pieces of music like that. I think discussions work better at a higher level...)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 19 October 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
http://thetrichordist.com/2015/10/20/spotify-has-apparently-failed-to-license-account-and-pay-on-more-than-150-cracker-and-camper-van-beethoven-songs/
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
Well it seems like they'll have to pay those twenty five bucks in royalties to them then.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/spotify_pulls_thousands_of_victory_records_songs_in_light_of_legal_dispute
in light of an ongoing legal dispute with Victory Records, Spotify has pulled thousands of the label’s songs from their service.
According to a press release from Victory, 53,000,000 streams were identified with no publishing royalties being paid by Spotify. These were originally noted by Audiam, a digital distribution company that monitors services to make certain that publishers are receiving their due payments. In Victory’s case, their publishing company, Another Victory, has allegedly not been receiving proper monetary compensation.
... Bands who have had material removed from Spotify include A Day To Remember, Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Heights and many others.
According to Billboard, the unaccounted 53,000,000 streams total nearly $23,000 in unpaid revenue.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
a music writer's entire yearly salary
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
ouch
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
I haven't heard anything about this case internally, but everything on Spotify comes TO us from a licensor. We're not ripping CDs or uploading our own files or anything like that. We don't have to "find" the owners of a recording. So almost certainly this is a dispute between licensors, or purported licensors.
The thing about knowing who to pay is specifically about songwriting royalties, which are 1/6 (by law) of what we pay. The other 5/6 goes to the licensor of the recordings. So the issue here is probably not that Spotify isn't paying for these songs, but that we're paying somebody who claimed to own the rights but actually doesn't...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
$23,000 probably wouldn't even cover the legal fees
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
Victory Records is the worst label ever
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I see, the whole Victory story is just about the publishing royalties. This is a part that's way more complicated with streaming than it was with physical media. Tower Records didn't have to pay songwriters and recording artists separately, they bought the CDs from the record company, and the record company was responsible for paying both the recording artists and the songwriters. I don't know the history of how the streaming royalty flows came to be different in this way.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
this billboard piece more or less explains how it got to this way with separate publishing royalties. it's a somewhat garbled story but it makes it clear there's at least a little bit of blame on pretty much every side of this.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
also, LOL at victory records complaining about missing royalties.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
LOL indeed
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
Last week the discover algorithm let me down, but this week past was pretty good. Let's see what tomorrow brings.
― Franzen Arcade (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 October 2015 04:17 (nine years ago) link
Well, with this week's playlist I discovered that there is not one but two bands called Sports that put out albums in 2015.
― MarkoP, Monday, 26 October 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link
seems it's been mandated that I get at least one mf doom track a week (two this week) along w a healthy portion of mediocre backpacker stuff. otoh, dorothy ashby, v good, more like this ta
― ogmor, Monday, 26 October 2015 08:48 (nine years ago) link
Getting a few "source" songs that were later used as samples in popular "rap" songs that I enjoy.
Not complaining, but after reading that article above, I'm wagging my finger at my computer going, "I see what you did there, Spot."
― pplains, Monday, 26 October 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
a few weeks ago my Discover Weekly was all rap songs except for a Gram Parsons track
now it's pretty diverse, but only 1 hip hop song, and a fucking Sublime song for some reason
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
I keep meaning to add the 20-25% of my Discover Weekly which is genuinely new to me (unless it's awful) to a "Discovered" playlist and then, y'know, maybe buy a physical record or two by (for example) William Basinski, Lizzy Mercier Descloux, Pye Corner Audio or whoever has come up recently. But I keep forgetting. And now it's Monday and last week's playlist is gone, gone, gone.
It doesn't go out of my comfort zone very often, Discover Weekly. A month back I had four songs in a row which had been covered by This Mortal Coil or The Hope Blister and the following week... a bunch of actual This Mortal Coil tracks. Ok, ok, I used to buy a lot of 4AD back in the day (and sometimes I resort to Spotify rather than dig through unalphabetised vinyl).
Sometimes it's pretty spooky... like, a song I'd been *talking* about, but hadn't heard in years.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 26 October 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
I've managed to largely train it away from the self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie and now really look forward to it every Monday, am firmly in the habit of saving the good stuff. Often the good stuff turns out not to merit much further investigation but It hit the jackpot recently with Ben Frost, good Spotify, have a doggie treat.
― ledge, Monday, 26 October 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
my discover weekly hit the jackpot today! i learned about a group named conduits, who only have one album from 2012 but it's a fucking incredibly deep psych album http://open.spotify.com/album/0zgDKEdtzihAZmR1Bnk2yY
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 26 October 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
anyone who wants Spotify URLs to open in the desktop app ...glenn advised to just click "Play in Spotify" but I never saw that option, it just opened the player. Figured it out: open a Spotify URL. Click the settings gear in the Spotify webapp, look for a setting like "Open Spotify URLs in desktop app". Confusingly, it will have a checkmark, but if the checkmark is gray it's not enabled. Click it so it's green. Next time I opened a Spotify URL it gave me the option to Play in Spotify before it opened the web player.
this doesn't appear to be an option anymore? :(
― welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 12:15 (nine years ago) link
i wish i could use the "musical map" but it keeps opening in my browser & not the app
do you mean Glenn's "Every Noise" map? I browse with Firefox and if I click the "Listen to the Sound of....." link at the bottom of the genre page it immediately asks me which program I want to use to open the link.
I'm sorry if that's totally useless informtation, but I've certainly never changed any settings to enable this so it must be automatic. Could be a browser thing perhaps? This isn't really my forte.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
So I just tried to add a song to "Your Music" and was told I had too many songs in my collection.
The fuck?
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 November 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
had that yesterday too on my phoneseems to work okay on my laptop
― nxd, Thursday, 5 November 2015 09:56 (nine years ago) link
Second week in a row with a version of "That's How I Got To Memphis." Keep them coming!
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Well, if you love some old songs enough...
― pplains, Monday, 9 November 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
:)
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
Glenn - Do you know if anyone is working on parental controls for Spotify? I bought accounts for my kids, and I'd love to be able to disable explicit tracks on their accounts. This would also be helpful when playing music at work.
Also, my kids are getting curse-filled tracks in their Discovery lists, which sucks.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 November 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
Also also, does private session prevent things influencing the discover playlist? idle enquiring minds want to know.
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 09:24 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, kid-safe filtering is something we're definitely thinking about, but no idea exactly what form it will take, or when.
Private sessions are just about social sharing-or-not. You aren't hiding from yourself.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
Thanks, damnit. No place to hide from the all penetrating gaze of self awareness - story of my life.
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
So this happened...
http://i.imgur.com/PQ07spO.jpg
Glenn, I hope you know who made this and that you can put a turd in his/her lunchbox.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 15 November 2015 05:43 (nine years ago) link
no way
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 November 2015 12:48 (nine years ago) link
flag is also on Afternoon Acoustic, Pop Chillout, Acoustic Hits, Acoustic Morning....
― Amblyomma_americanum_tick.jpg (wins), Sunday, 15 November 2015 12:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah i think the, um, all the feels playlist must have existed prior and then the flag was put on to various playlists. it wasn't put on all of them though so some further discrimination might have been advised.
― balls, Sunday, 15 November 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Not my department...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 15 November 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
thanks for letting us know?
― brimstead, Sunday, 15 November 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
So this happened...🗻Glenn, I hope you know who made this and that you can put a turd in his/her lunchbox.
🗻
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 15 November 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
ha ha it's pretty dope actually
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
it's bc "the feels" are a cutespeak internet thing so matching it to the french flag is pretty tacky xp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
http://www.spotifyartists.com/introducing-spotify-fan-insights/
― i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
Wish any playlist creator could see those sorts of analytics on a playlist-by-playlist basis
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link
uh
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/21/spotifys-new-privacy-policy.html
so glad I generally don't do apps on my phone
― sleeve, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
landlines and CDs! Landlines and CDs! Who's with me?
― calstars, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
wtf
― i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
better article, that previous link was more of a stub:
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/cant-squat-spotifys-eerie-new-privacy-policy/
― sleeve, Friday, 20 November 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
it does seem quite evil
― ogmor, Friday, 20 November 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/spotify-clears-up-its-privacy-policy/
“Let me be crystal clear here: If you don’t want to share this kind of information, you don’t have to. We will ask for your express permission before accessing any of this data – and we will only use it for specific purposes that will allow you to customize your Spotify experience.”In other words, these will enable opt-in experiences, something that Spotify regrettably neglected to mention when it first announced the changes. The app won’t go scanning for your photos, but it’s reserving the right to access them if and when you want it to.
In other words, these will enable opt-in experiences, something that Spotify regrettably neglected to mention when it first announced the changes. The app won’t go scanning for your photos, but it’s reserving the right to access them if and when you want it to.
― welltris (crüt), Friday, 20 November 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
outrageous!!!
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
the question is can i upload my dick pics to spotify
― ogmor, Friday, 20 November 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
Sure, but you can't star them.
― Jeff, Friday, 20 November 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
you can put a star in the pictures
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
the best ones, anyway
the ones with good light
― Jeff, Friday, November 20, 2015 9:02 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I love how Jeff pops up every three months with a dig about starring.
― the fiest p (onimo), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
he doesn't even know that they brought stars back!
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
Stars work fine in the Scottish version
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 20 November 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, November 20, 2015 2:29 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wait what now?
― I know when that Ott line zings (Spottie), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
sorry, it was a ~*goof*~
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
u r mean v v mean
― I know when that Ott line zings (Spottie), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
curry about to be v v mean to my bulls
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
he's gonna do it for me. payback.
― I know when that Ott line zings (Spottie), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
ex rdio user. spotify is very bad, isn't it?
on ios is there any way to make the big green "shuffle play" button on an album page be just "play"? or do i have to click on track 1 to play the album in order?
also spotify connect doesn't seem to work reliably. i can transfer from iphone to ipad ok, but my computer often doesn't show up. if it does the "connection" between the spotify sessions seems to drop when i try to transfer.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
never had any real problem using spotify
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
experience so far is that it's as bad as itunes without the excuse that it's 15 years old and trying to do 30 different things
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
except spotify is a streaming service and itunes is not
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
ok it's as bad as microsoft word without the excuse that it's 30 years old and trying to do 45 different things
it's a mess
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
that's a fair comparison, spotify is actually a much worse word processor than word, they kind of dropped the ball there
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
every time i start spotify on my phone it says "spotify is offline. go online for a world of music!" or some shit. always with full bars on 3G or 4G. after 20 seconds or so it usually figures it out. seems kind of basic.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
it's not perfect perhaps but generally i just press play on things and they play. or search for things and save them then play them. i'm not sure what other functionality is needed.
the one bug that annoys me is it fucks up on your iphone when you leave a wifi zone to go into 3g or 4g.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
This is why slsk is still going strong, it didn't change.
― xelab, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
i don't know what kind of fancy things you're trying to do, caek. it works fine if you just do things like search for an artist, select an album, press play, make a playlist, add songs to it, fart..
― brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
do large offline libraries still lag?
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
my point was that i wasn't trying to say spotify is like itunes in that it plays music, my point is that it's like itunes in that it's complicated, inconsistent and apparently buggy in the way massive old apps get given enough time.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
well, bugs schmugs, it's plenty more than usable for me,
― brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah seems a minority take
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
exactly, I've definitely had times when the bugs in spotify were extremely frustrating, but the versions I run on my pc and phone right now work very smoothly. I get that other examples of buggy software exist as well, but I don't understand comparing one to the other when they perform very different functions.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
the problems i have so far (one week in) are the two above (i.e. a core feature simply doesn't work, and playing an album in order on ios is weird from a UI pov)
there's also the fact that my "offline devices" are not listed in the offline devices section of my account so i can't manage them, that it thinks i am in australia, that when you create a new account it makes all your itunes playlists public by default without asking you; that there's no way to undo this except making them all private one by one, or deleting them all, that there's no way to bulk delete playlists on the desktop;, that what happens when you delete a folder of playlists on the desktop is different from what happens when you do so on ios (in a way that guarantees data loss if you don't know about it)
... and when you report bugs to them they suggest you post on the community board and add them to their "ideas wall" so see if other people upvote them as feature requests
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
but yeah it plays music so give these guys a turing award imo
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
i think people are just saying "it works and it plays music" because it is hard to understand what else it is supposed to do. i can't think of anything i've tried to do with spotify that it failed to do.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
idk most software is total shit, i have very low expectations in general
― brimstead, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
give or take i think it works p well, it syncs well with other devices that i have - easy search and browse. it's hardly at itunes or ms word level.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
I just deleted my Facebook page and now I can't get into spotify. Any advice?
― Heez, Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
― brimstead, Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
rdio wasn't total shit. i have plenty of apps that aren't total shit. i've never paid $120/yr for a service this buggy.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 November 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
spotify has gotten clunkier and slower with time. i wait on it way more than you'd think i would have to, like just chilling while it decides whether it wants to give me search results or not. love the mystery factor of whether the song i just dragged onto a playlist really made it there or not. i don't think it's a completely buggy disaster, but let's not pretend it's winamp-level "it plays music when you ask it to and gets out of the way, what more do you want?"
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
it works fine as long as you're using version [checks version] 0.8.5.1356.gh1d40f3a
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link
spotify is shit
― hunangarage, Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
Yeah. I love Spotify and use it every day, BUT it has many many flaws and glitches unless you run an old version. And even then it occasionally goes batshit.
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
the spotify apps (mac & iOS) are hot garbage. I thought this was taken as read. that being said, they are functional at least in a way that itunes isn't any more
― hot doug stamper (||||||||), Sunday, 29 November 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Yeah the spotify app was such a crashy POS, getting worse with each update, that like so many itt I used that link to lock it to an old version, which runs fine and has a far better UI. Unfortunately I don't think there's a way to do that on iphone so I'm stuck with the one that takes forever to load when I'm out & about. The trade-off is that the newer versions have stuff like discover which has been pretty cool ime
There's only so much I can complain though. I pay £5 a month for this!
― noe love derp wev (wins), Sunday, 29 November 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
Can too much choice be a bad thing? I left my Spotify device at home this afternoon and went for a walk with my old iPod. I listened to a couple albums I discovered a couple years ago and had more enjoyable time than with Spotify recently.
― calstars, Sunday, 29 November 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
is the spotify social feed on anyone else's desktop broken for anyone else right now?
one of the reasons the spotify phone app is slow and isn't that great is bc of apple not wanting it to outshine their native music app
― pplasma, Sunday, 29 November 2015 23:50 (nine years ago) link
my social feed is regularly like 3 or 4 days out of date, pretty sure that's 'normal'
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 29 November 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link
ios and mac apps solid apart from minor niggles and the ios app smashing data when playing saved music. not a bug, but i also want it to let me save more music to my phone. eh.
my discover weekly has suddenly become 50% western music that broadly matches my taste and 50% awful taiwanese ballads. i assume spotify taiwan has been drawn into discover weekly, but not in a way that identifies what genres people listen to so much as just chucking random taiwanese anything into the mix.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 November 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4430815
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
compared to Rdio, Spotify is very bad. people who don't feel this way never used Rdio. unfortunately, Spotify seems to be the best available option now. RIP Rdio.
― fffv, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
have to remember dumb search syntax when I want to do normal things like search by label or year. can't easily clear my queue when I accidentally click on an album. can't sort things by release date. awful web app. mobile interface that can be described as weird at best. just bad. and yet the best of all available (and really bad) options, so I will give them my $10.
― fffv, Monday, 30 November 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
I only use the android and connect (amazon fire tv) apps, and they are generally good.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 November 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
spotify support asked me to delete my week old account and recreate it to fix the spotify connect problem
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 November 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
maybe that's why community support is the better option
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 November 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
if only there were a third option
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 November 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
can't easily clear my queue when I accidentally click on an album
^^^^ this is maddening!
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Monday, 30 November 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link
Just click on a different one...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 November 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link
but it always loops over and over again forever! i want it to reach the end of a playlist and fall silent. i have to create a new playlist, click 'choose as current playlist', and then delete that playlist to clear the queue out
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 00:52 (nine years ago) link
I have a playlist called "clear queue" that consists of one 30-second kid606 track
― brimstead, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
Have never encountered this problem. Some things don't work so well (I have two machines and I usually have to restart Spotify to play on the one I didn't use last) but the simple task of playing music works fine. Much better than 6-12 months ago in any case.
― a hastily-observed cruet (seandalai), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 01:01 (nine years ago) link
I'm not familiar with this queue-looping-forever problem you're describing. Which platform is this on? And I assume you don't have looping turned on (the 🔁 icon; two arrows forming a circle if the emoji doesn't come through).
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link
regarding the queue clearing issue, the fact this has been around for years and all you ever get is people suggesting a dumb workaround is exactly why Spotify is bad.
― fffv, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 05:06 (nine years ago) link
but it's good, though
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 05:09 (nine years ago) link
Can too much choice be a bad thing?I left my Spotify device at home this afternoon and went for a walk with my old iPod. I listened to a couple albums I discovered a couple years ago and had more enjoyable time than with Spotify recently.
― calstars, Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:47 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
TBH I have a very very hard time just settling in and being with a piece of music when I listen on Spotify or Apple Music. I'm just thinking about the next thing I want to jump to. I pretty much have to listen on a nonconnective media player to enjoy music. The streaming services are for seeing whether I want to get something for my 'permanent collection'.
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
i'm sort of like that with your mom
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
that was probably unnecessary
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
Spotify, you think I'm so corny I would feel like hearing "Put The Message In The Box" today, and the tragedy, Spotify, is that you're right.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
Someone got into my account again today. I don't know why this keeps happening. They deleted all my playlists. I know how to recover etc and to sit out everywhere, but still. Wtf
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
But yeah local unconnected files 4 life
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link
Scary, I'd run a virus scan for keyloggers.
― Adam J Duncan, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
https://yearinmusic.spotify.com/
provides a look at your listening habits/trends over 2015
ofc if you use last.fm it's probably nothing you haven't seen already but it does bring up the question - why doesn't spotify provide listening habits/trend info on a regular basis? i link my spotify account to last.fm because i like having that information available and spotify doesn't provide it, but if spotify is tracking it then why should users need to use separate services?
― musically, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link
i presume it has something to do with their payment transparency?
I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff.
#1 artist - Dawn Richard - 224 streamsthen Jazmine, Kendrick, D'Angelo, Miguel
#1 Album - Reality Show - Jazmine Sullivan - 181 streamsthen Dawn's Blackheart, D'Angelo's Black Messiah, Kendrick's To Pimp a Butterfly, Janet's Unbreakable
#1 Track - Thunderstorm ambience (lol, this got put on repeat when i go to sleep for the past few months)then Jazmine's Mascara, Fetty's Trap Queen, Jazmine's Brand New and another ambient sleeping track
First track of the new year was Africa Express' Terry Riley in C Mali
Winter: D'Angelo, Dawn, JazmineSpring: Kendrick, Jazmine, Eno/HydeSummer: Kacey Musgraves, Miguel, Melanie DeBiasio (yeah i guess i did like that album a lot)Fall: Janet, Fetty, Todd Terje
61 thousand minutes logged, 2800 artists listened to, 5400 tracks played.
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
i guess that's 5400 individual different tracks not 5400 total as the math doesn't work the other way round.
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
I checked this out in 2013, and it showed that my most-listened artist was Rupert Holmes.
Chilling, and I haven't checked since.
― pplains, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
the pedant in me wonders whether this only counts complete, start-to-finish listening or just anytime you start a song. Because if it's the former, I've got to have half again as many unfinished listens this year... i tend to hit rewind before i get to the end of a song i'm enjoying or restart if i get distracted by business.
Glenn? Confirm/deny?
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Top genres: Indie R&B, Chillwave, Neo Soul, Indietronica, Future Garage
sorry guys :(
― a cruet of destiny (seandalai), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
lol pplains
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
this is neat, but I'm pretty sure it is missing streams from the Roku app, which is one of the main ways I use Spotify.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
I think any play of :30 or more counts, and Roku should also count as long as you're logged in with the same Spotify account.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link
It's the same account, but there's definitely a big chunk of activity that doesn't seem to be reflected. I know that Facebook tracks my spotify activity but never shows anything I played on the roku, which is why I thought it wasn't tracked here either
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
Limit of 50 tracks in the play queue is my new thing to be annoyed by.
It seems like a significant part of Spotify's feature prioritization is handled through the community forums and upvoting. If this is the case, it's unlikely that anything that bugs me will get implemented. Since I can't find a better alternative, I guess I just need to learn how to live with it.
― fffv, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 08:36 (nine years ago) link
the cut off date for this year in spotify thing is clearly before the grimes album came out bc it wld easily top my list otherwise
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 10:12 (nine years ago) link
I listened to a lot of blake mills and hop along this year, which were both ilm recommendations. I tend to obsessively listen to the same album for extended periods of time at work before forgetting it exists. So the end of year roundups is good for remembering what I liked.
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
I've never used the play queue. I just make a playlist called "new" and dump everything I want to hear in there. If I don't need to hear it again, delete. If I really like it, I move it into other playlists. If I'm unsure/ambivalent I just leave it there until I've figured it out.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 10 December 2015 06:18 (nine years ago) link
It's the same account, but there's definitely a big chunk of activity that doesn't seem to be reflected. I know that Facebook tracks my spotify activity but never shows anything I played on the roku, which is why I thought it wasn't tracked here either― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I just set up spotify on my amazon fire tv and was able to start music on my iphone and change playback device to my tv, but it didn't scrobble. When I went to my app settings on my phone to see if I had logged out accidentally or something, the playback, social and streaming quality options are greyed out and it says "these options are not available when listening on another device". I'm pretty bummed, I am pretty obsessed w scrobbling everything I listen to, I don't want to give that up when listening on the tv :(
― musically, Friday, 11 December 2015 05:01 (nine years ago) link
maybe of interest to ex Rdio users
This tool transfers your Rdio playlists and collections to Spotifyhttp://venturebeat.com/2015/12/11/this-tool-transfers-your-rdio-playlists-and-collections-to-spotify/
Rdio2Spotify http://www.r2s.co/
― djmartian, Friday, 11 December 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link
What if Spotify allowed subscribers a specific number of streams of a song before they required you to either (a) pay for it ($0.99 for song, $9.99 for album), or (b) lose the ability to stream it again. Would this benefit the artist more?
― collectivegaze, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:40 (nine years ago) link
Yah but then people would stop using it.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
I would not see the point of subscribing if they did that
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:55 (nine years ago) link
Subscribers don't buy albums or download songs?
― collectivegaze, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
Are there any Adele or Joanna Newsom fans who are also subscribers to Spotify or Apple Music?
― collectivegaze, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 03:13 (nine years ago) link
i assume lots of both
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link
no, there is no overlap whatsoever
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 03:47 (nine years ago) link
BBC Radio 1 head of music to join Spotify UKGeorge Ergatoudis, "to lead curation strategy and content programming at streaming service" (Spotify UK)http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/15/bbc-radio-1-spotify-uk-george-ergatoudis
― djmartian, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 12:11 (nine years ago) link
yyyyyyep
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
Discover Weekly is the best recommendation engine of any kind that I've ever seen. I hear as many or more new-to-me tracks that I love every week as I ever did when I spent hours every day being an Internet Seeker. I suspect part of why it's so good is that I generated playlists comprising every track in my hard drive's music collection, so I'm feeding it a rich training set for my musical taste.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
I highly recommend importing a playlist of your music collection in any case. I made a playlist in csv format of all 20000+ tracks on my hard drive in MediaMonkey, then converted it to spotify format in chunks at http://www.ivyishere.org/ , then pasted the results directly into Spotify. About 75% of the tracks were available on Spotify.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
You made a Spotify playlist of 20000 songs?
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
I think they have a 10000 song max so I had to split it into two parts, but yes.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
I know I could just use Plex or something to stream directly from my own home computer, but I did this instead for some reason.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link
for the person whose playlists were deleted, there is a playlist recover function if you log in on the spotify website.
― pplasma, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
Same reason we climb Everest. xp
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
I'm in awe of that, Dan. No way I'd do that, but nice to know it could happen.
― pplains, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
idk who came up with this http://spotify-starwars.com/
― ogmor, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 09:15 (nine years ago) link
https://news.spotify.com/au/2015/12/16/mixed-by-us-tuned-by-you-get-your-party-started-with-with-our-perfectly-mixed-playlists/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 22:08 (nine years ago) link
Neat! What does "rolling out" mean, I wonder? I don't see this in my iPhone app.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
yeah thats pretty rad
― Spottie, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
how do you access spotify party...is it a genre or a new tab or what
it took about 6-7 weeks after they announced they were "rolling out" discover weekly that i got it (and idk if putting in a help ticket w/ spotify sped it up) so who knows when everyone will be able to access this. soon though i hope...
― musically, Thursday, 17 December 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link
“When it comes to throwing parties you simply have to have the right playlists – or everyone will leave,” says Diplo.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 December 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link
Got this this morning. Not to hate, but this one is not as cool as I had hoped. Songs aren't really mixed, just cross-faded. Most of the music is pretty mainstream.
― schwantz, Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
I feel like at some point Spotify should make some kind of open API, so that apps can authenticate with a user's credentials, and then use the music however. The DJay app does this already.
I would love for people to be able to upload and share fully-mixed sets on Spotify. Maybe some kind of rev-share for the DJs? This might encourage discovery of more underground dance music, etc.
― schwantz, Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
Most of the music is pretty mainstream.
― schwantz, Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:32 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's a party playlist, what did you expect
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqZ1O0YhY5Q
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
Not my kind of party, I guess.
― schwantz, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
Yes, this is a resolutely and intentionally mainstream feature. The transitions in the built sets are beat-matched, though, not just cross-faded...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
I guess so, but not the kind of fader-riding DJing that I expected.
― schwantz, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
Diplo Made It
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link
strong rumors that beatles are coming to streaming on xmas
― balls, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
chrismas eve, yes
― akm, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
Nice
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Saturday, 19 December 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
damn, new version loads fast as hell! right on
― lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 20 December 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
i mean, launches fast as hell
Just verified this. Indeed.
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 December 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
are you talkin about desktop or mobile
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 20 December 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
desktop
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 December 2015 03:12 (nine years ago) link
any ideas abt what's the best free distributor for uploading your own music to Spotify etc.? there's loads to choose from, looking for something pretty... minimal, open-sourcy...
examples:http://www.tunecore.com/https://www.recordunion.com/http://members.cdbaby.com/
― niels, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 09:34 (nine years ago) link
My main criterion for a distributor was that it be free to me, since I don't expect my music to make money. So I've been using OneRPM, and it's been fine.
If you don't mind spending a little bit, I know other people who like distrokid.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Sounds good, thanks! (I dont expect to profit either so free is nice)
― niels, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
(My cumulative total royalties are steadily approaching $1.00. Just give another few months.)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
Hehe...
Beatles thing true btw http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/23/beatles-back-catalogue-music-streaming-spotify-apple-music
― niels, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
HEYYY I was just having an intense listen to Chris Bell's "I Am The Cosmos (Deluxe)" album and after the fifth track it stopped playing and Spotify says the album does not exist. Did it get unlicensed in mid-listen? I hate the cloud.
― mick signals, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
So now that the Beatles are streaming, who's left?
Drag CityNeil YoungPrince
If DC signed an exclusive deal with a service I would probably switch. They seem pretty stubborn and undifferentiated in their anti-streaming stance tho.
― westofrome, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 14:05 (eight years ago) link
anyone happen to know the legalities of uploadeing a parody track to Spotify?
― niels, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
Peter Gabriel solo stuff isn't on there
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
I respect Drag City's position honestly
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
As little as I care about listening to the Beatles myself, I'm sort of happy that I can now play them for my kids without some sort of oldfangled musical disc aparatus.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
Um, I think Neil Young and Prince are on Spotify in the US btw -- are you in the UK?
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
anyone happen to know the legalities of uploadeing a parody track to Spotify?― niels, Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― niels, Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There are loads of "cover" versions, i.e. with band names that are sooooo similar to the real name, I believe actual Parody tracks are covered by the Free Speech regulations.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
xp they are not on Spotify in the US (well, there are a few terrible Geffen-era NY records)
― sleeve, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
Unless it changed recently, I am sure that I have listened to a bunch of classic Neil Young and Prince records on Spotify.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
prince used to be on there but not for like a year now iirc
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
yea it changed they are no longer there
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
looks like Beatles 1, red album, blue album, past masters and the core original albums. no BBC or Anthologys yet. also no Mono? weird.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
xp mark g thanks!
― niels, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
spotify mysteriously uninstalled itself from my mac
― akm, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
No Domino Records either, I think.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
I think I would jump ship for whatever service got the full Tzadik catalog.
― Mister, would you please help my brony? (WilliamC), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans. It's not because of the money, although my share (like all the other artists) was dramatically reduced by bad deals made without my consent. It's about sound quality. I don't need my music to be devalued by the worst quality in the history of broadcasting or any other form of distribution. I don't feel right allowing this to be sold to my fans. It's bad for my music. For me, It's about making and distributing music people can really hear and feel. I stand for that. When the quality is back, I'll give it another look. Never say never.
Streaming is the worst audio in history. If you want it, you got it. It's here to stay. Your choice. Copy my songs if you want to. That's free. Your choice. All my music, my life's work, is what I am preserving the way I want it to be. It's already started. My music is being removed from all streaming services. It's not good enough to sell or rent. Make streaming sound good and I will be back.
- Bernard Shakey
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
i thought spotify was playing music on Ogg Vorbis format at 320Kbps? or at least for premium? personally speaking i can't hear the difference between a FLAC and 320.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
in another quote neil said that it was worse sound quality than AM radio so i mean...also neil is an insane person fwiw
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
neil you can hook nicer speakers up to your laptop man
― home organ, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
once you go PONO you can't go back
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
I think Spotify on its higher quality settings sounds pretty good, no idea what he's talking about tbh.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
And I'm one of those people that complains about the shitty cymbal sound in mp3's.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
yeah like i said 1) he's still trying to sell a competing device & service and 2) dude's blasted his ears w/crazy horse for decades
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
Laptops are the worst computing in history.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
domino was there as recently as this week in the us, as my billion ffs listens can testify
― maura, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
Whoops, must have been thinking of some other label. My bad.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
solo john, paul, george, ringo all there too (last time i checked, paul was and george wasn't)
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
the worst quality in the history of broadcasting or any other form of distribution.
Has he just heard kids playing music through their phones on the bus and thinks that's what streaming is?
― ledge, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
He's like the coffee shop that won't make my latte with skim milk because they think it is the worst quality in the history of milk or any other form of dairy.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
Except they also won't believe you that not all milk is skim milk.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 24 December 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
xp or that they are the only one with the whole milk toblerone
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 24 December 2015 04:47 (eight years ago) link
I don't need my music to be devalued by the worst quality in the history of broadcasting or any other form of distribution.
This is how I feel about Beatles remasters too.
― miss me belial (crüt), Thursday, 24 December 2015 06:04 (eight years ago) link
I had a bunch of Prince albums saved back when his catalog was online, now they are still on my list but when I click to open them they're empty :(
I wonder if there's a plan to add the Beatles anthologies to Spotify?
― musically, Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Look, the Beatles stuff is showing plays of <1000 right now. So stop reading this thread, go to Spotify, and let's get You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) to #1 asap.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
Ha, believe it or not, that is exactly what I did just before clicking on this thread and reading your post.
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
Played that tune on Spotify, to clarify.
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)?
See, I told you all Spotify's sorting methods were fucked up.
― pplains, Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
xp Yea I was kinda hoping I could hear "Not Guilty" or "Leave My Kitten Alone." Guess not.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
Yup, I was hoping to hear the "Sugarplum Fairy" version of "A Day In Life."
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
the weirdo xmas fanclub collages woulda been cool today but they were never commercially released in any form so i wouldn't expect that out of nowhere.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link
It's insane they haven't released those.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
counterpoint: streaming does suck actually ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― COOMBES (mattresslessness), Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
The artist bio for the Beatles is pretty wonderful at the moment. I hope people are taking screen shots. Apparently Mark Ronson is a big fan of their chart-topping sin-gles. Tom Petty liked them too.
― dlp9001, Friday, 25 December 2015 00:35 (eight years ago) link
I'll never forget the time when Skrillex said, "The Beatles sin-gles, and this is irrefutably true, invented everything I take for granted."
― dlp9001, Friday, 25 December 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
Lol.
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
Kevin Howlett, I'm glad you were chosen to introduce the world to the Beat-les on this moment-ous occasion.
― dlp9001, Friday, 25 December 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
I think we can all agree with Kevin Howlett that Tom Petty summed the Beatles up best, "We grew up with the Beatles and grew up trusting them. They could have chosen to do anything, and they chose to do good, which is a great example for the rest of us." I'm going to spend Christmas eve thinking about those words, and I hope you will too.
― dlp9001, Friday, 25 December 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
marianas trench deep
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 December 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link
B-b-but what did Bobby Gillespie say about them?
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 01:21 (eight years ago) link
"The six new songs in the film and the number one 'Hello, Goodbye' completed a momen-tous year of recording. Three more tracks from 1967 remained unreleased until they were heard in the movie Yellow Submarine premiered in 1968. The film's imaginative animation evoked the 'psychedelic' spirit of Sgt. Pepper to reveal the triumph of Love over Evil."
It's like you're in an office thinking, "who should write about the Beatles to introduce them to the huge new Spotify audience on this momentous occasion when the biggest band in the history of rock and roll makes their catalog available for streaming?" Greil Marcus. Nah, he'd just go on about the Futurist Manifesto. Thomas Pynchon? Nah, he'd never write liner notes. Hey wait, what about Kevin Howlett!
― dlp9001, Friday, 25 December 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
Ha exactly. I was considering posting "Who wrote that? Mark Lewisohn? Richie Unterberger?"
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link
"Perfect 10s
Did you know that 6 Beatles albums scored 10s at Pitchfork?
Now you can hear why on Spotify"
anyway, 1 YKMN play here, what a jam
― niels, Friday, 25 December 2015 10:05 (eight years ago) link
so uh for christmas I bought a year's worth of spotify for my mother and (according to her, on the phone, this may well be inaccurate) it's telling her that it expires tomorrow, anyone experienced this?
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
I haven't heard any reports of that, but customer support can fix it, whatever the issue...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 02:55 (eight years ago) link
fair enough, will check if it ends up turning into a pumpkin tomorrow
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 04:55 (eight years ago) link
I hear you couldn't find Spotify anywhere after Y2K hit.
― pplains, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 05:28 (eight years ago) link
I've listened to "You Know My Name" 3 times in the past few days but it wasn't enough to help it into the Top 10.
Here are the top 10 Beatles tracks on Spotify, according to global data:
1. "Come Together"2. "Let It Be"3. "Hey Jude"4. "Love Me Do"5. "Yesterday"6. "Here Comes the Sun"7. "Help!"8. "All You Need Is Love"9. "I Want to Hold Your Hand"10. "Twist and Shout"
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 07:22 (eight years ago) link
We blew it on You Know My Name. Moving on, I'm writing customer support to see if they can find a fourteen year old girl who might be able to write a better essay about the Beatles. I hear they can fix any issue...
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
xps glenn how long did it ~ take for songs to go live on spotify after publishing on onerpm?
― niels, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
any reason why come together would be #1? i would not have expected it to be in the top 10 nevermind winning. those other 9 are exactly what id expect in there but with strawberry fields instead of come together
― Ted Nü-Djent (Cosmic Slop), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
Dunno why but I always felt "Come Together" had a life of its own, like I knew it long before I knew it was a Beatles song...
― a cruet of destiny (seandalai), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
I generally end up submitting things to OneRPM on Sunday nights for Friday "release", and they tend to show up in Spotify's internal catalog by Wednesday. They officially say it takes a few weeks, though.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
Cool! For some reason I'm p psyched to see my music on Spotify
― niels, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
There is a Come Together playlist that Spotify has as their first playlist under browsing to The Beatles, and the first song is... Come Together.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
cracker dude is going off
http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6828092/spotify-class-action-royalties-david-lowery-cracker-150-million
― scott seward, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
lol was looking for add the queue function for like 5 mins before realizing it's now called Add to Up Next. People having a hard time with the word queue?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 13:42 (eight years ago) link
Well I was wondering why Spotify kept asking me "what?" in Spanish.
― pplains, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
Have I ever told you about my buddy who refused to pronounce the word genre as anything but gen-AIR? Have you noticed that the 10th most-listened-to Beatles song is the song they did in Ferris Bueller?
― pplains, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link
I'm not sure why Come Together is the most listened to Beatles song, but I do remember around 5 years ago it was also the most listened to Beatles song on Last.Fm as well.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
people searching for the Aerosmith version
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
really happy to discover that the ios app has gotten smart about background download management by freeing up space when you remove downloads, something it didn't do in the past.
― calstars, Friday, 1 January 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
I un-downgraded and got the latest version of the desktop client and it seems like most of what was wrong before has been righted. Pleased.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 3 January 2016 04:20 (eight years ago) link
Does it give you full playlist running times, or does it still round them off to the nearest hour?
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 January 2016 22:29 (eight years ago) link
Does the local library work?
― Mordy, Sunday, 3 January 2016 22:33 (eight years ago) link
It gives playlist lengths in hours and minutes on the Mac desktop app xp
― Vote! In the ILM EOY Poll! (seandalai), Sunday, 3 January 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, it's showing the full playlist running time in PC desktop as well.
I never use the local library feature, so I can't answer Mordy's question.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 January 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
I might have to sack it, its stopped working on the touchpad and the palm pre 3.
― Mark G, Monday, 4 January 2016 07:37 (eight years ago) link
It's the same account, but there's definitely a big chunk of activity that doesn't seem to be reflected. I know that Facebook tracks my spotify activity but never shows anything I played on the roku, which is why I thought it wasn't tracked here either ― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkYeah I just set up spotify on my amazon fire tv and was able to start music on my iphone and change playback device to my tv, but it didn't scrobble. When I went to my app settings on my phone to see if I had logged out accidentally or something, the playback, social and streaming quality options are greyed out and it says "these options are not available when listening on another device". I'm pretty bummed, I am pretty obsessed w scrobbling everything I listen to, I don't want to give that up when listening on the tv :(― musically, Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:01 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― musically, Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:01 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
okay so i know you all have been deeply concerned with how this was going to get resolved...well, I actually figured something out. Using Spotify Connect to play your music on TV won't scrobble your plays, but using AirPlay will still allow you to scrobble while listening via another device. I paid 99c for the Airbuddy app for my Amazon Fire TV stick, and now my tv shows up as another device just like a bluetooth headset or w/e on my iphone. It shows what's playing on the screen and everything. And unlike Spotify Connect I don't need to be logged into the app on the TV to send something to the TV, Airbuddy always shows up as a device regardless of what I'm doing/watching on TV. Anyway, if this is something you cared about a little bit, it's not a bad way to spend 99c.
― musically, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
FWIW I've been listening to the Beatles catalog on Spotify and I think it sounds quite good! (I use the "extreme" quality setting).
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 04:45 (eight years ago) link
this 3,333 saved song limit per device thing is shitting me to tears. a handful of playlists and a few dozen albums and it caps out. as long as it's like this it can't ever be my only music player.
because of this crap i need to complement/replace spotify with some other service but all the apps ON IPHONE are deficient in some way (apple music is still a broken mess, google play music still doesn't have an equaliser, groove is basic and won't let you scrub through songs). really not sure what to do at this point.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 08:36 (eight years ago) link
Deezer?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 17 January 2016 09:19 (eight years ago) link
deezer is looking shaky these days business wise - not sure i'd invest personal admin time in their infrastructure
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 17 January 2016 10:24 (eight years ago) link
I may be mistaken but I'm getting the impression that apple music is fine now as long as you just forget about using itunes to try putting your own music into your phone? Keep it to streaming only and it'll work fine? Idk though - I've actively tried to avoid using apple music but I'm finding that they almost always have the new songs that I can't find in spotify or google play, so I'm currently debating whether or not they deserve a second chance.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 17 January 2016 10:58 (eight years ago) link
siegbran: cheers for the deezer tip. i've just started the free trial (and am mindful of tracer's warning). clunky interface and terrible search, but the selection is good and the equaliser customisation is a nice surprise. i'll at least stick with it for the trial.
longneck: the putting-my-music-in-my-phone part is critical. if i sign back on with apple music now, whether i get to keep my music on there will depend on what mood icloud music library is in that day. google music seems to be the most solid and flexible of all of them, but no equaliser in ios is a deal breaker, and youtube red is still not available in australia (so i wouldn't be getting full value).
i cannot fathom why spotify limits offline music, unless it's got itself tied up in dumb contracts that specify that. really really stupid limitation. i wouldn't even be looking at alternatives if not for this.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 11:24 (eight years ago) link
I prefer Google Music myself and am not too bothered about the lack of equalizer (it would be great though). I'm also thinking that buying the individual songs lacking in google play though iTunes and uploading them to google play is probably cheaper than sticking w apple music, sigh. I've just now started to use spotify too and must confess that i like it a lot - it's pretty tidy whereas google play is an endearing mess. And their playlist function is obv the best. I just wish they'd have the extra songs that apple has and/or the upload function of google play. Sigh.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 17 January 2016 11:45 (eight years ago) link
yeah, spotify's ui and playlists are lovely. gpm's ui felt fine when i was trialling it, probably just a bit vanilla if anything.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 11:53 (eight years ago) link
Integrating your own music library is pretty terrible everywhere, even with Apple who you'd think would be best placed to pull it off, with iTunes being a very powerful local library manager & all. Plex is pretty awesome for streaming your own stuff everywhere, but their sync-to-device is needlessly complex, unreliable and slow. But least there's steady improvement in the right direction there, all the other platforms (Apple, Deezer, Spotify, Groove, Google) are steadily pushing users further into their cloud. Reliable sync-over-WiFi of local music seems an afterthought to everyone.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 17 January 2016 12:57 (eight years ago) link
tbh i'm not all that's fussed about seamless integration. i'd be happy to just stream (save) 98% of what i want to hear and have the other 2% sat on my phone and playable offline through a sound equaliser. gpm was pretty reliable in just letting me dump a load of albums in its cloud and download them to my phone (and keep them there without trying to change them or match them to anything).
spotify would let me upload some stuff but there's that save limit again.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 13:16 (eight years ago) link
*all that fussed
AA, are you trying to load your own local files or files from Spotify? They only cap you at 3333 for music that you do not own. You can put as many files from your own library as you wish.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:25 (eight years ago) link
Offline music on Apple Music has gotten a lot better, almost 100% happy with the service now.
― Jeff, Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link
What would you say is missing at this point, Jeff?
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link
If you own a track and upload it to Apple Music where it's matched with their library, and you play it, does the artist / label get paid?
― calstars, Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
The matching is lacking, e.g. the wrong versions of songs being matched. But it's been lacking since iTunes match was released, so not sure when that will be fixed. I can live with it.
― Jeff, Sunday, 17 January 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link
i definitely can't live with that. the only reason i want to upload my own music is to listen to that exact music, not a 7" single remix or a studio version or a clean version.
moodles: that's great, but the spotify cap still exists. so i'd have all the uploaded music i want to upload + 3,333 spotify tracks and i'd have to sign up to a second service anyway. (deezer' playback quality on ios has issues btw, so that's out.)
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link
if spotify lifted its offline limit and/or apple music/icml ~worked~ i'd be sorted.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 17 January 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link
jeff how often do you use spotify to listen to music outside of the stuff you've "matched/synched"? most people just use it as a music library. it's really not ideally built for matching/synching/stuff, no matter what the developers tell you. it's like ordering a burger at Red Lobster or something
― lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 17 January 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link
you know what i mean.. ordering something outside the establishment's specialtynot trying to sound condescending..
― lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 17 January 2016 23:16 (eight years ago) link
I really don't know since it is all combined, I can't remember what's mine and what's theirs. I mostly listen to giant randomized playlists, so the matching isn't as jarring because it's just another random song that comes up and not part of an album.
― Jeff, Monday, 18 January 2016 14:35 (eight years ago) link
Really digging my DWP this week.
― Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 02:36 (eight years ago) link
Even tunes I had designated as old warhorses and long ago tired of
― Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 02:42 (eight years ago) link
Spotify buys 2 startups to boost music discovery and content experienceshttp://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/01/20/spotify-buys-2-startups-to-boost-music-discovery-and-content-experiences/
Spotify has acquired two startups in a bid to boost its product and engineering chops. Dublin-based music discovery company Soundwave and the New York-based Cord Project are both joining the streaming giant.
― djmartian, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 14:25 (eight years ago) link
You really require more than 3,300 songs to be available offline? That's ~20gb of music approximately or 330 albums at 10 tracks/album average. Seems...excessive?
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 21 January 2016 04:44 (eight years ago) link
but this board is not called "i don't mind music"
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 05:35 (eight years ago) link
But what is a reasonable amount of music to rent for $10 per month?
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 21 January 2016 05:37 (eight years ago) link
you can rent as much as you like, it's what's storable offline that's the sticking point here. no competing service limits offline storage afaik.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 05:39 (eight years ago) link
the point of having a music library in your pocket (and the reason ipod classics existed) is to be able to listen to what you want to listen to, not to plan your day before you leave the house. the discogs of five of my favourite artists constitute about 25% of spotify's offline limit, not including a handful of updated playlists for ~discovery~ (which is at least half the point of having spotify).
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 05:47 (eight years ago) link
Do you have a job/lifestyle that makes it difficult to stream music over wifi/cellular? I have very little of what I listen to saved locally but I have unlimited data so I don't feel restricted in what I have to listen to. The only time I ever sync music is when I'm flying.
― musically, Thursday, 21 January 2016 07:23 (eight years ago) link
only cellular data during the day. i do occasionally d/l some things i wasn't expecting to listen to, but ultimately i want to be able to store enough that i don't need a separate music database. apple music would be The Perfect Solution if it worked.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 07:38 (eight years ago) link
How much space do you have on your phone is a better question I suppose? Cheapest current iPhone ships with 16GB of space of which maybe half is usable. Costs exponentially more to add GBs (and then only up to 64...) I'm not saying the limit is annoying, I just think your use case is definitely an edge case.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 21 January 2016 07:45 (eight years ago) link
that's not the point though. afaict no other major service imposes a limit on offline storage.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 08:14 (eight years ago) link
a 200 GB micro sd card is a hundred bucks these days.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 21 January 2016 09:18 (eight years ago) link
apple music would be The Perfect Solution
What about a third party library eg mediamonkey? Can organise things on yr computer and transfer them to the phone to play through the apple music app, without signing up to apple music or suffering with itunes.
― ledge, Thursday, 21 January 2016 09:39 (eight years ago) link
that's pretty much what i do now. it's fine but i'd really rather just use one app, especially to combine with newer stuff that i never bought/ripped.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 21 January 2016 10:13 (eight years ago) link
there is basically the same issue with TV - there is not one single box (that i'm aware of) that gracefully allows me to stream OTT services, play local files, and tune in digital free-to-air broadcasts
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 January 2016 12:04 (eight years ago) link
Is Discover Weekly supposed to be tracks I've never played on Spotify? If so, it's broken.
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
No
― YOLO Versus Powerball on the Moneygoround, Part One (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link
Ok.
I can see it's sort of tailored to my listening (or at least my Spotify listening which is about 10% of it) but it's badly named if I'm supposed to discover something from hearing 'Release the Bats' or 'O Superman' for the thousandth time.
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Friday, 22 January 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
discover weekly SHOULD be tracks you have never listened to before, otherwise it's using a very columbusy interpretation of "discover"
― musically, Friday, 22 January 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link
could be that you are supposed to discover how good a song is and not just that the song exists
― I expel a minor traveler's flatulence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
how would Spotify know what tracks you spent your pre-Spotify years listening to?
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
algorithms. extrapolation algorithms.
― I expel a minor traveler's flatulence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link
Spotify should really supply me with a playlist of original music that I'll love
― I expel a minor traveler's flatulence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link
maybe you are meant to discover something new about yourself
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link
FYI according to a thing I read somewhere, it was originally meant to be purely new music but they found 30 tracks of novelty was too daunting, having a few familiar numbers in there made it a more attractive prospect.
― ledge, Friday, 22 January 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, it's a mix. And yeah, we haven't tried to guess whether you're likely to have heard something out of (or before) Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 January 2016 21:48 (eight years ago) link
I wasn't talking about pre-Spotify.
I don't mind a bunch of familiar songs (most of which are familiar from pre-Spotify) but I think a discovery list shouldn't include songs I stream regularly.
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Saturday, 23 January 2016 11:17 (eight years ago) link
Has 'Notifications' been disabled? Have had nothing for ages (a couple of months at least).
― Jeff W, Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link
I just got one. Sometimes you need to close and reopen though.
― conditional random jepsen (seandalai), Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:30 (eight years ago) link
No, but we stopped triggering them when a track is added to a playlist you follow, which was the single biggest source (and the one most frequently ignored).
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link
They're awesome for knowing when artists you follow add a new release, but I still usually don't ever seem them until I open the app fresh.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 23 January 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link
i really love it when dw drops in the occasional song i know. it keeps me invested and i'm more likely to play the whole thing.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 23 January 2016 14:13 (eight years ago) link
They're awesome for knowing when artists you follow add a new release
^this
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Saturday, 23 January 2016 14:55 (eight years ago) link
still wish you could follow labels too
― conditional random jepsen (seandalai), Saturday, 23 January 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link
oh that would be great
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Still waiting on smart playlists (auto-updating playlists based on search criteria)!
― schwantz, Saturday, 23 January 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link
I depend on notifications for keeping up with new releases from artists I follow, but I don't feel like it's consistent. I'll often check in on an artist's page and find there was a recent single, EP, or album that didn't trigger a notification. That happened most recently with a new Travis single and a recent collaborative EP from Koen Holtkamp.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 24 January 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
Podcasts (or whatever generic audio programming name) are available on spotify now. I really like that it marks where you leave off so you can go listen to something else and go back to the podcast and resume immediately. Selection right now is okay but not great, lots of the big ones are available but no serial, no you must remember this, basically none of the ones I listen to. Spotify is making a big deal about how curated their selection is with their "partners" so idk if the plan is to keep it limited? Hopefully not...
― musically, Sunday, 31 January 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Okay so Spotify finally thoroughly won me over today by including a super obscure jab song in my Discover Weekly (as well as some afrobeats stuff I wasn't familiar with but liked). I've played it quite a lot in GPM but never in Spotify. So kudos, Spotify. You're obviously doing something right.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 1 February 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link
My Discover Weekly Playlist has really been hitting the sweet spot these past few weeks.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
My only real complaint about Discover Weekly is that it somehow always manages to choose the best track from albums I haven't heard yet, so when I listen to the rest of said albums they tend to be disappointing
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 02:52 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, or they pick straight-up singles, so there's not much to "discover" other than the track itself. Still, mostly-loving the feature. Need to listen to Spotify more during the day so my lists get a little less sleepy.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 04:01 (eight years ago) link
there seems a problem with spotify skipping tracks this morning https://twitter.com/search?q=spotify%20skipping&src=sprv
particularly with new additions to playlists
― djmartian, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 11:59 (eight years ago) link
I've noticed it this morning, too. Switched to Google Play. I've tried to be cynical about Discover Weekly, but it's been mostly fantastic. Great feature.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 12:09 (eight years ago) link
ha, that skipping problem was driving me nuts on the way to work today
― bern b bag (crüt), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 12:16 (eight years ago) link
Had it too, although curiously the discover playlist is working fine.
― ledge, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link
Is there a way of finding playlists that feature a particular song? One track on an album I released last year has c40,000 more plays than everything else.
― useless chamber, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:44 (eight years ago) link
This is a good question, I would like to know the answer as well. And kudos to you, useless chamber.
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:50 (eight years ago) link
If you go to the About page on an artist, there will be a list of playlists that people may have first heard said artist on. It's not the same as being able to find playlists with a specific song, but it might help you in your instance.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link
Playlists is somewhere Spotify really falls down, I think. Sometimes I just want to have a new ambient/post-rock/whatever playlist to work to and I never seem to be able to find anything. I find the artist radio thing a bit hit and miss and the bog standard playlists are generally pretty shite. It was the one thing Apple Music did really well.
Unless I'm being dumb and missing something very obvious, which is more than possible.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link
xp Thanks! I wonder if it's maybe been on Discover at some point, though I'm disappointed that Spotify wouldn't think that I'd be interested in it if so (it's our first album so there's no previous plays).
― useless chamber, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
No, that seems about right.(xp)
― Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 15:21 (eight years ago) link
i liked rdio's radio station for each user. listening to yr own was kind of like an infinite discover weekly with a bunch of favourites mixed in.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link
There was a brief playback glitch earlier, but things should be fine now.
Useless chamber, which song is it?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
such a shitty company:https://twitter.com/SomaFmRusty/status/694724117451268097
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
thanks glenn, it's https://play.spotify.com/track/0NQc20SNfUszEoPyiR6dOB
― useless chamber, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link
On the SomaFM thing, the playlists in the screen-shot are user-created. SomaFM publishes their play history, so this seems like a thing that is pretty likely to happen. I'm not sure whether it's illegal or even immoral. But at any rate, I don't think it's a Spotify-official activity in any way I can tell.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
useless chamber, the main source of those plays is, in fact, individual people's Discover Weekly lists...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
wasn't there a Ministry Of Sound court case that set a legal precedent that playlists themselves are copyrightable IP? i.e. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/27/spotify-ministry-of-sound-lawsuit-settlement
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
The Ministry of Sound case was about playlists that duplicated published compilations. I don't know if that applies to playlists that mirror other playlists, either in the Spotify sense or the SomaFM/radio sense. But I passed the tweet along to Spotify legal just in case...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
yeah and now that I read my own link (lol) I can see that actually it never went to court, it was 'settled' so no actual precedent
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:47 (eight years ago) link
The thing that drives me crazy is how I can search and search for a playlist that I know by name but not actually get to it. Had this the other day with the ILM tracks poll results - I had clicked a link in browser, gotten the damned "log in here to listen in browser" page (would it kill them to have a link here that redirects to the application I already have open), so I knew the name of the playlist, but there was absolutely no finding the damn thing. Same thing with a playlist of a friend of mine that she had linked from Facebook. In the end I had to log in to the browser player, which I didn't want to actually use, just so I could favorite the playlist.
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:47 (eight years ago) link
On the topic of playlists, is there somewhere I can tell spotify NOT to start playing automatically when I click on a playlist? (I'm only using the browser interface)
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link
The real client is, I think, a better experience...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
thanks glenn. I'm sure somebody clicked through to the album from it..
― useless chamber, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link
You don't have to tell me btw.
― useless chamber, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
Glenn, is there any reason why a new single will be available in Apple Music but not in Spotify or Google Music Play? I'm trying to stop using Apple Music, lol, but it bothers me a bit that quite a few singles I'd love to put in one of my playlists are available on that platform weeks if not months before the ones I prefer get it. The other releases from the same artist are available - just not the newest single. I.e. Lil Kesh - Ibile - but the examples are many.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link
Doctor Casino, you probably already know this, but a fairly painless way to get from a link in your browser to listening in the Spotify app is to right-click/copy the link and paste the whole link into the app's search field.
― I am thy Paul Santa Cruz (paul santa cruz), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:50 (eight years ago) link
How the heck is Doppelganger by Curve not on Spotify USA? Not a question for Glenn, more like a rhetorical question.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
paul santa cruz, I did not know that! Thank you - will try that next time.
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link
Doppelganger, and a fair slice of the rest of Curve's discog, is available on the band's Bandcamp page.
― whalemusic, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
Availability questions should really be asked of the label or distributor. Once they send us stuff, it goes live on Spotify in a matter of hours. When I publish my own inept music through OneRPM it tends to take 3-4 days to get from them to Spotify's internal systems, and then is available by the following day. Any delays longer than that are the result of human decisions, not system delays...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
x-post I think it's on Spotify UK, just not the USA version.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:27 (eight years ago) link
xpost - and apple music can put everything up since everybody is sending them stuff for itunes anyway? i see...
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link
or apple has paid for an exclusive, or there are rights issues, or there's a strategy to release in one country on one platform and not another etc etc etc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link
Personally, I would much rather that all music be available on all platforms. Let the platforms compete on what we do with the music...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:38 (eight years ago) link
Agreed,
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:44 (eight years ago) link
times one thousand
― niels, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
also, I think it's really nice that Glenn is here to contribute valuable info to thread
― niels, Thursday, 4 February 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link
Yeah definitely. Glenn - is there any reason why there is no proper Dancehall section on Spotify? I've found a couple of official playlists but keeping up with new releases is difficult. Only a few select ones show up under reggae, which mostly has... reggae. There's a ton of dancehall singles dropping every day and so far I've only been able to keep up by checking 10-20 artists every day for new releases.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link
http://everynoise.com/everynoise1d.cgi?scope=all&root=dancehall
― schwantz, Saturday, 6 February 2016 01:14 (eight years ago) link
Or search this page for dancehall: http://everynoise.com/spotify_new_releases.html
― schwantz, Saturday, 6 February 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
oh perfect! thanks!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 01:53 (eight years ago) link
Also... Wow!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 02:13 (eight years ago) link
That's what Glenn does!
― schwantz, Saturday, 6 February 2016 04:16 (eight years ago) link
And de does it well. Just curious... how would one define Heavy-K or other South African house (i.e. Prince Kaybee or Black Coffee) within these parameters?
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 10:23 (eight years ago) link
Last time I went through the South African stuff the data-coverage wasn't good enough to do much more than kwaito and south african jazz, but it looks like I could now add a separate "kwaito house" hybrid, which would have all three of those. I'll put that on my list for the next round of updates, which should be soonish.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 6 February 2016 15:52 (eight years ago) link
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
btw - I love the notifications - it's a huge part of what sets spotify apart from its competitors right now. I feel like maybe there could be more of them, though? Not everything seems to register, is there a reason for that? Would also like to see some sort of saved search function so that you're notified once music you've searched for suddenly becomes available - tired of typing in «90s Don Dada Riddim» every single day, lol.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 07:37 (eight years ago) link
i really hate the notifications but i'm an old-fashioned crank with software.
thing that's driving me nuts lately is that the player will just.... stop. like you just have to walk over and hit the next song to get it to go again. very annoying for, well, anything really, but especially when you have it on shuffle for some hands-free purpose like doing dishes or cleaning the house. i've noticed it most on the android app but i think it's happened to me on the desktop version too.
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link
glenn: did you come up with the "abstractro" genre? because from what I see searching spotify for that genre tag, it seems to be largely based on a couple of my own playlists
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
I did, yes. It wasn't based on anybody's individual playlists, or on playlists per se at all, but it doesn't surprise me that there are playlists that align with it. I don't "make up" genres, I just give names to listening clusters I find in the world.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Too bad 'I don't "make up" genres, I just give names to listening clusters I find in the world.' is more than 80 characters, or I would have my first new screen name.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
okay, i may regret this but i'm updating to the current version. let's see how it works.
― ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
I gave up fighting it and just go with the new versions every time now. Still some issues with it on startup and I sometimes get repeat notifications but most things seem fairly reliable recently.
― Ad h (onimo), Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:55 (eight years ago) link
do local files work?
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:57 (eight years ago) link
The local file browser isn't the best and you can't select albums to play but it's okay apart from that - the search is finding local files too.
― Ad h (onimo), Friday, 12 February 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link
cool i keep wanting to upgrade but nonfunctional local files really is a dealbreaker
― Mordy, Friday, 12 February 2016 00:30 (eight years ago) link
this (great) song https://open.spotify.com/track/6uv4VeWDVal1agJHUYi5iK
should be indexed to this kittenhttps://open.spotify.com/artist/4zHX9zUUtxUw898g1GyihC
― maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:59 (eight years ago) link
Will fix.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 12 February 2016 22:42 (eight years ago) link
― maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link
Also: wow.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 12 February 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
RIGHT?
― maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 23:47 (eight years ago) link
And in a kind of similar spirit, spotify:album:2LSBVvjQwteBIMik5P8OqK.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 13 February 2016 02:27 (eight years ago) link
ugh, so i updated to new spotify bc my old version of spotify's search really stopped working. local files load up fine but there's no way to sort them except by name and artist and afaict there's no way to search only your local files. why can't they just put this obvious (preexisting) functionality in???
― Mordy, Sunday, 14 February 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
my guess is they'd rather you use their files instead of your own, but that's kind of dumb if true
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Sunday, 14 February 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
someone on their forum speculates the limited functionality is intentional "to make people listen to your songs rather than the local," but that is so short sighted - ppl aren't just going to give up on wanting that functionality. they'll just use different programs and possibly switch out entirely. xp or what you said
― Mordy, Sunday, 14 February 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
One of the reasons I dropped Spotify, for sure.
― Jeff, Sunday, 14 February 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
"can't sift through my local library? oh well guess i'm at that pt in my life where i'm done listening to songs that aren't on spotify's servers"
― Mordy, Sunday, 14 February 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link
Full search has stopped working on my old (v0.8.5) version of Spotify, too. It still searches local files, and you still can select suggestions from the initial drop-down list, but that's it. I hadn't realised this was happening elsewhere. Now wondering if they've done something to deliberately disable search on permanently installed old versions, to force people into upgrading?
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 14 February 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link
I don't think that's intentional. I'll pass along the report and see what I can find out...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 14 February 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
from my friend's blog of okcupid first-date horror stories:
He ordered a whole pizza, did not offer to share, and was shocked when I ordered a small bread a cheese plate, because, of course, as one does when you just meet for drinks, I had already eaten. He then accused me of possibly having an eating disorder. He would know, because he used to be a talent scout and has met many women with eating disorders. (...)Our food arrives and we switch gears. Trying to choke down what was honest-to-God a TERRIBLE cheese plate (how?!) I ask him about his job. He is surprisingly reluctant to tell me anything, considering the detail to which he described his familial problems."Well you said in your profile you work in your sweatpants. So you work from home?""Sure. I work from home."Upon further probing I discover that after years spent as a talent scout in L.A. he moved to NYC to work in finance, but along the way uncovered how to make money by creating fake albums and posting them to spotify under different aliases. Knowing that a single listen to a song on spotify earns the artist only $.01, I cannot imagine how many made-up musical artists this guy has created in order to sustain a life in a studio apartment in Manhattan with no other source of income. Needless to say I was rather disquieted.
Our food arrives and we switch gears. Trying to choke down what was honest-to-God a TERRIBLE cheese plate (how?!) I ask him about his job. He is surprisingly reluctant to tell me anything, considering the detail to which he described his familial problems.
"Well you said in your profile you work in your sweatpants. So you work from home?"
"Sure. I work from home."
Upon further probing I discover that after years spent as a talent scout in L.A. he moved to NYC to work in finance, but along the way uncovered how to make money by creating fake albums and posting them to spotify under different aliases. Knowing that a single listen to a song on spotify earns the artist only $.01, I cannot imagine how many made-up musical artists this guy has created in order to sustain a life in a studio apartment in Manhattan with no other source of income. Needless to say I was rather disquieted.
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 February 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
lolllll
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 February 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
This story will amuse many people.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 14 February 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn!
― mike t-diva, Monday, 15 February 2016 09:49 (eight years ago) link
have seriously wanted to read an account - fictional or not - of the people that create the fake comps you see in spotify, and cover versions based on pre-release radio exclusives.. i remember when "100%" by duke dumont came out, it took several months to hit spotify, in which time a sound-a-like "tribute" racked up hundreds of thousands of plays. i was obsessed with who had made it, what was their name, what they ate for lunch. it was probably pizza sweatpants guy.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 February 2016 11:06 (eight years ago) link
Aren't those just the latest iteration of the "not recorded by the original artists" albums that were used to scam less-knowledgable record buyers since at least the 1970s?
― Tuomas, Monday, 15 February 2016 11:36 (eight years ago) link
...which were mostly done by non-popular studio musicians and other record industry proles.
― Tuomas, Monday, 15 February 2016 11:38 (eight years ago) link
Do less knowledgeable record buyers tend to recognize David Bowie?
― Ad h (onimo), Monday, 15 February 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
Usually those albums didn't/don't have a picture of the original artist on the cover, because that was/is probably considered too misleading for the consumer.
― Tuomas, Monday, 15 February 2016 11:52 (eight years ago) link
By "too misleading" I mean that it could lead to court cases.
Those were a monumental pain in the neck when I worked at Sam Goody. So many returns.
― how's life, Monday, 15 February 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Countdown_Singers
― how's life, Monday, 15 February 2016 12:03 (eight years ago) link
I am getting a message saying that in a few months Spotify won't be supported by "my platform" - but when I click to learn more I just get taken to a generic FAQ page. Not sure what platform I could possibly be using that is worthy of going out of date. I'm on desktop and mobile, using Spotify software in both cases.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 15 February 2016 12:50 (eight years ago) link
Hey pgwp, that sounds weird. Where are you getting this message?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 15 February 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link
I get that message as well, I'm on an old Mac (10.6??) and Chrome is also telling me the same thing fwiw
have not clicked on the link yet cuz I'm gonna ride this old computer into the ground first
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link
it's a blue banner at the top of the screen
Two cases is an epidemic, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what the deal is, but I forwarded both of your reports to our internal support department.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link
MVP
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link
I guess I'm not running the most up to date OS for my mac.
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Mac/Updates-no-longer-available-on-this-platform-notice/td-p/1279823
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
psh glenn conspicuously not weighing in on egregious local files functionality limitations demonstrates his loyalties to the man
― Mordy, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
your local files are special, and the struggle enhances this feeling
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link
I can't care about everything.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 15 February 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
mike t-diva: I was just about to post a mighty rant about the sudden search deficiency in the functional versions (ie pre 1.0), but then it... worked again? Does it for you too?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 19 February 2016 22:04 (eight years ago) link
This is probably way outside of your area, Glenn, but if you know any of the Connect folks, it's totally broken on FireTV (crashes immediately) and it looks like I'm not the only one seeing this...
― schwantz, Friday, 19 February 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
I have not had crashes, but I have to uninstall/reinstall the app every time I try to use it. Otherwise my phone will never see the FireTV as a connect option.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 February 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link
Tried that, but it still didn't work. :(
Got it to play one time for a couple seconds, and then it crashed.
― schwantz, Friday, 19 February 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link
xp Anatol: Oh! It has started working again! What a relief.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:41 (eight years ago) link
No, I don't know much about Connect, and nothing at all about FireTV, but I know who does, and have passed word along...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 20 February 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link
Thank you.
― schwantz, Saturday, 20 February 2016 05:06 (eight years ago) link
Has the Connect thing mis-stepped up its game again with a recent update? I *really* want to just keep each device separate when it comes to playing (not lists etc obv); when I press play on my phone, I want my phone to play music, not my laptop or TV or toaster or whatevs. When I press play on the laptop, I want my laptop to play music, not my TV or toaster or phone or whatevs. Permute at will, it still holds.
Also, I'd like to be able to listen to e.g. Come On Pilgrim on my laptop or TV or toaster or whatevs over breakfast, without a risk of my screen flashing ladytits in the crowded bus when I take out my phone to check the time. (Example picked for delicacy.)
Am I just clumsy and has missed an dis-connect button somewhere?
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 20 February 2016 10:02 (eight years ago) link
Is there any way to drop a full playlist into another playlist without doing it song by song? I'm making weekly playlists of new music atm and would like to transfer them to a monthly one, but as they're all above 60 tracks it seems like a lot of work to do it track by track. This is one of the things that was very simple in google play music, which I've now put on hold to give spotify a chance.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 20 February 2016 10:15 (eight years ago) link
On a nactual computer or a phone? If the former, select source playlist in left-hand column to get all the songs in the main view, select all the songs (using shift-click, ctrl-click, ctrl-A or your local OS equivalent where necessary), drag'em to the target playlist in the left-hand column?
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 20 February 2016 10:23 (eight years ago) link
Yeah. Easy on computer, not sure if it can be done on phone.
― Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 February 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
Oh thanks for the tip - I've tried to do this before but could only mark one song at a time for some reason. It worked now, so thanks a lot!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 20 February 2016 12:39 (eight years ago) link
You mean Surfer Rosa, right? I managed to find a way to fix this a few weeks ago by googling it up in spotify's forums. I think the solution involved turning off notifications for Spotify, which means that in addition to album cover not displaying on your lockscreen, you also can't see the title of the song that's currently playing unless you open the spotify app. Small sacrifice, imo.
Wish I could remember which album cover compelled me to look this up.
― how's life, Saturday, 20 February 2016 12:49 (eight years ago) link
mobile spotify on 4G works almost flawlessly for me now - on 3G it tends not to work at all
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 February 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
Haha yes Surfer Rosa obv duh! :-D
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 20 February 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
Those two were commonly packaged together, no?
This articles is ...not that good... sort of misses the point, or something: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/19/slave-to-the-algorithm-how-music-fans-can-reclaim-their-playlists-from-spotify
― Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 February 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link
ha, this motivated me to check my discover weekly for the first time in a while, and lo, I also had the leanover on my discover weekly. not my thing at all but still better than most of the dreck that I flick through every now and then. after some initial great finds it now feels almost totally unconnected to my listening and skews heavily towards a sort of cheap slickness. its much, much worse than the last.fm recommendations, not that I use that much either
― ogmor, Sunday, 21 February 2016 22:18 (eight years ago) link
Play your Spotify music without being connected to a smartphonehttp://www.thefourohfive.com/music/article/play-your-spotify-music-without-being-connected-to-a-smartphone-145
Mighty - Kickstarter Campaignhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/51215664/mighty-streaming-music-without-your-phone
Mighty is the first and only device that plays your Spotify music without being connected to a smartphone. Lightweight, durable, and small enough to clip-on to any piece of clothing, it's the perfect device for your active life. Mighty comes equipped with Bluetooth and WiFi, is compatible with iPhones and Androids, and can play 48 hours of music without any internet connection. All for under $80.
― djmartian, Thursday, 25 February 2016 22:38 (eight years ago) link
I like the idea, but I really doubt they will ship that this year.
― schwantz, Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah, let me know when that's in production and i'll likely buy one off the rack.
― ulysses, Friday, 26 February 2016 00:32 (eight years ago) link
did spotify ever give a reason for getting rid of the star button? it was so convenient to be listening to a random playlist, hear a song you like, and take one second to star it and save it on the fly - esp great for my commute when i hear a song on the "today's top hits" playlist or w/e and want to remember to check out that song/artist. people keep bringing it up on the official forums and they keep saying it's not in work. they clearly had to go out of their way to get rid of an established feature...can't figure out why they did though.
― musically, Friday, 26 February 2016 04:54 (eight years ago) link
you can do the same thing with the + button
― crüt, Friday, 26 February 2016 04:58 (eight years ago) link
and "Your Music - Songs" playlist is the starred playlist
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 04:59 (eight years ago) link
but its not the same thing
― Spottie, Friday, 26 February 2016 05:01 (eight years ago) link
you could write a script called "star" and use the web api?
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 05:02 (eight years ago) link
the + button saves it to your music, not to a playlist, so if you have 100s/1000s of albums/songs saved that doesn't put it in a convenient place when you want to look it up later
i know there is still a playlist called "starred" but without the star functionality it's just like any other playlist, you have to hit options -> add to playlist -> pick playlist to put it there. not very convenient, particularly when on the go.
if there is a workaround that requires you to use the web interface vs the client then idk if that would be worth it for me ino.
― musically, Friday, 26 February 2016 05:14 (eight years ago) link
yes, I was joking because it would be more work. + and saved songs works well for me. More seriously, I suppose an app could be used to copy all of the single tracks in saved songs to the starred playlist every once in awhile.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 05:24 (eight years ago) link
Don't even get me started on stars. Still the primary reason Spotify no longer gets my money.
― Jeff, Friday, 26 February 2016 12:07 (eight years ago) link
let me know when that's in production and i'll likely buy one off the rack.
― ulysses, Friday, February 26, 2016 12:32 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― niels, Friday, 26 February 2016 13:24 (eight years ago) link
my discover weekly's have been bad and seem to have gotten stuck in a stylistic rut
is there any way to improve this other than adding a ton of songs i like to my library?
does it learn when i skip songs after a few seconds? unlike rdio there's no way to "disklike" a song, is there?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 February 2016 13:44 (eight years ago) link
I do wish there was a way of telling Spotify that I'm not into Lion Babe or Polica.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 26 February 2016 17:49 (eight years ago) link
glenn know when that hotline bling
― ulysses, Friday, 26 February 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
maybe my webcam captures the look on my face as a feature of the training songspace? I've been scolding my computer as I skip tracks just in case.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
Does adding songs to your library actually affect Discover Weekly? I thought it was only based on the songs you've actually listened to.
― MarkoP, Friday, 26 February 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link
xp more seriously, a skip would probably be weighed less since people might skip around just to get a feel for the playlist or something.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
Discover Weekly is informed by your listening, not your library. So the bad news is that you can't force it to change by any quick tricks. But the good news is that if you listen to more music you like, and explore more kinds of music that aren't in that rut, it should pick up on those cues and shift along with you.
And yes, people skip for a lot of different reasons, so we're pretty conservative about what use we make of skips. They're a little better a signal in aggregate than for individual listeners, but even in aggregate there can be insidious complicating factors.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 26 February 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link
So then my method of making a massive playlist of a bunch stuff I really like and playing it on shuffle as I go to sleep but with the sound off is a good one?
― MarkoP, Friday, 26 February 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
Yes, if you keep doing that consistently, we should pretty quickly zero in on other music you will enjoy playing with the sound off while you sleep.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 26 February 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link
This, I assume, describes the guts of what would become Discover Weekly: http://erikbern.com/2015/01/13/scala-data-pipelines-for-music-recommendations/
― Dan I., Friday, 26 February 2016 22:21 (eight years ago) link
maybe a better version, since it mentions the NLP and audio pieces: http://www.slideshare.net/MrChrisJohnson/from-idea-to-execution-spotifys-discover-weekly
I'm shocked that user libraries don't go into it! I feel like I used Spotify very little before Discover Weekly came out, but it still seemed dead-on from the start.
― Dan I., Friday, 26 February 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link
yeah, that first one was way too simple. very interesting, though, thanks!
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 23:00 (eight years ago) link
I meant the recommendation algorithm part (not the whole thing) of the first deck was simple, i.e. it didn't seem to explicitly account for genre anywhere.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 23:11 (eight years ago) link
actually, nevermind. The second deck just goes into more depth.
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 February 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link
Yeah that second one is really interesting. Seems like a pretty solid setup.
― conditional random jepsen (seandalai), Saturday, 27 February 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link
The discovery playlist function has been massively improved imo -- I actually look forward to checking them out now.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 29 February 2016 02:15 (eight years ago) link
A few obvious ones this week like Sonic Youth - Cross the Breeze, Kraftwerk, Tortoise, but this is still much less obvious than the obvious stuff of yore.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 29 February 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link
"Spotify has launched a new music discovery service called Fresh Finds, which aims to shine a light on artists before they make it big."http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/02/spotify-fresh-finds-playlists-launched/
The features launches today (March 2) with six playlists to choose from: Fire Emoji (hip-hop), Basement (electronic), Hiptronix (vocal pop), Six Strings (guitar driven), Cyclone (experimental) and the more general Fresh Finds, focusing on “breakout tracks” across the other five playlists.
― François Pitchforkian (NickB), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
this is interesting, and namechecks some modern stuff (e.g. they have a screenshot of the word2vec paper from NIPS 2013), but it's not obvious to me which of those approaches they're actually using (collaborative filtering, NLP like word2vec on unstructured non-spotify text, dimensionality reduction/latent spaces, and "deep learning" (lol) on the audio). in particular, i heard the audio analysis stuff had turned out to be a dead end. is there anything more technical on how they're doing this?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
ok slide 46 suggests they're using all of them, or at least plan to use all of them
also hints that they want to pay attention to saves and skips but as confirmed in this thread they are not currently doing that
🤔
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link
it looked to me like they're using collaborative filtering, and the other NLP stuff is used for describing features of songs (beyond what publishers provide) and therefore user preferences. So maybe it's collaborative filtering with implicit feedback but with a lot of cool machine learning stuff also going into that feedback?
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
audio analysis stuff had turned out to be a dead end
you don't say - i am stunned that analyzing key signatures and beats per minute did not result in great recommendations
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
Spotify is great for parties (Pointer Sisters!), but on my own, I spend more time with (listen longer) and get more out of music that I've paid for and own. I guess just the breadth of selection and access is quite paralyzing and distracting to me.
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link
it looked like NLP to describe songs and user preferences (from playlists?) -> dimensionality reduction to describe user preference alignment -> feeding this alignment into collaborative filtering for recommendation
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:17 (eight years ago) link
Spotify certainly knows I had a thing for "Some Velvet Morning" at one point in my life - I've had Nancy & Lee doing it twice and Lydia Lunch & Rowland S Howard last week. Looking forward to the Entombed, Vanilla Fudge and Slowdive versions on future Weekly playlists.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
thin white rope version ftw
http://open.spotify.com/track/5yHuxE6LZuRmCPJykmCyFC
― François Pitchforkian (NickB), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
lol, PVMIC
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
guilty as charged
― François Pitchforkian (NickB), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link
wrt "NLP" (all of which is just essentially matrix factorisation here) it looks like they're combining all the most sensible/obvious signals, as I said before it looks pretty solid. The "NLP model" and "audio model" give you similarity but not necessarily popularity, the others give you a mixture of similarity and popularity; they have a "random negatives" component so they can do discriminative training (or NCE or w/e).
― conditional random jepsen (seandalai), Thursday, 3 March 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link
And if all that sounds interesting, we're also hiring...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 March 2016 01:05 (eight years ago) link
"Pretty solid" is an understatement; I'm pretty sure that level of engineering behind something like playlist generation is completely unparalleled. I'm happy they're so open about how it works.
― Dan I., Thursday, 3 March 2016 03:12 (eight years ago) link
in particular, i heard the audio analysis stuff had turned out to be a dead end
Then what are all those Echo Nest folks doing now?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 3 March 2016 03:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm doing quite a bit of skipping as I check them out, but the Fresh Finds playlists are pretty cool. I assume they are generated in a manner similar to Discover Weekly playlists, which I also like a lot.
― fffv, Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link
We use audio analysis for a lot of things, but rarely use it by itself. Spotify Running, for one obvious example, makes extensive use of audio analysis to figure out what songs might be good for running, but then also uses non-audio data to help figure out which good-for-running songs are suitable for particular running modes or particular runners.
Fresh Finds and Discover Weekly share the broad goals of exposing listeners to more music and exposing more artists to more listeners, and come from the same NY+Boston part of the company, but they use different techniques. DW is mostly a personalization thing, obviously, and these current FF lists aren't. Fresh Finds is trying to surface mostly-unknown music, so almost by definition it finds stuff that doesn't yet have the kind of collective activity that would result in it showing up in anybody's DW. But things FF elevates out of obscurity might later show up in Discover Weeklies as an indirect result.
(Audio analysis was only one of several things The Echo Nest did, and as part of Spotify we're pretty much doing more of all of the things we did as a smaller independent company.)
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 March 2016 14:48 (eight years ago) link
can you say in what sense you're using "NLP", which was alluded to in the discover weekly slidedeck briefly?
do you mean you're using dimensionality reduction techniques common in NLP on non-text data, or you're analysing press/reviews, or you're literally doing NLP on song titles and artist names?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 March 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link
We machine-read blog posts and news and reviews. (We also do dimensionality reduction, but that's not what the NLP mention meant.)
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 March 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
This is interesting, though far outside my expertise.
I haven't personally found Discover Weekly to be a useful feature yet. Seems like it could benefit from a little more...chaos? (Possibly I'm delusional that my tastes are more idiosyncratic than they are.)
― dc, Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link
x-post You probably already do, but do you pay attention (can you?) to when a user turns a song up (volume-wise)? That's what I do when I REALLY like a track...
― schwantz, Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link
it looks like they only use explicit feedback like that in radio (though I don't think they use volume). perhaps this is part of the overall thinking that led to the demise of Jeff's precious stars...
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
I've been listening almost exclusively to the massive "everything ILX listened to in 2015" playlist, in reverse alphabetical order, so my Discover Weekly is agreeably eclectic!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
glenn are you in nyc?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
No, I'm in Boston. (Somerville, actually. The old Echo Nest office is now Spotify "Boston".)
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 March 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
This is the most detailed analysis of Spotify Fresh Finds I have seen so far in a news article:
Spotify is using 50,000 anonymous hipsters to find your next favorite songhttp://qz.com/628812/spotify-is-using-an-anonymous-army-of-50000-hipsters-to-find-hot-new-songs/
the article explains the process in stages. See the diagram in the article.
For the last few years, Spotify has been gathering data from music blogs and review sites, and culling out the most talked-about new artists. It could just feature those artists in a playlist and call it a day, but there’s a hitch: many of their songs are so new that they’re not on Spotify yet.
To get around this chicken-and-egg problem, Spotify figures out who is listening to those trending artists, and then uses the hippest 50,000 or so users—the people who find about music before it is cool—as a new-music focus group.
Who are these prescient hipsters? Spotify isn’t saying, and the users don’t even know that their bleeding-edge taste is being used to create the playlist. But their favorite new songs—released within the last three weeks, with Beyoncé-level stars filtered out—are the raw material for Fresh Finds.
A group of Spotify employees then sorts the new songs into different genres (hip-hop, electronic, electronic pop, guitar-driven, and experimental), puts them into an appealing order, and voila: a weekly playlist, released every Wednesday, made up of songs that early adopters love and you might, too.
― djmartian, Thursday, 3 March 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link
are you cool with spotify making daily playlists of our interests without asking permission?
― ulysses, Thursday, 3 March 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
(my answer there is 'of course'; the applicable old saw about how if you're not paying for the product you are the product makes sense when the cost of the service is so radically low... though i still wish they'd go back to the way emusic did it and hire an editorial staff)
― ulysses, Thursday, 3 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
I think that's what Apple Music does...
― schwantz, Thursday, 3 March 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link
Who are the editors for Apple Music? Legit music journalists or celebrities who are likely having their assistants and management music select?Serious question, i dunno.
― ulysses, Thursday, 3 March 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
Who are the editors for Apple Music - they have poached staff from bbc radio 1 and 6 music in the UK.
e.g: APPLE POACHES TOP PRODUCERS FROM BBC RADIO 1 FOR NEW SPOTIFY RIVALhttp://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/apple-poaches-top-producers-from-bbc-radio-1/
BBC 6 Music's Camilla Pia heading to Apple - sourceshttps://media.info/radio/news/bbc-6-musics-camilla-pia-heading-to-apple-sources
re: editorial staff - spotify already have teams of editorial staff throughout their global offices. Their the people who create the playlists. See Spotify Browse / Genres & Moods
― djmartian, Thursday, 3 March 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link
did not know that bbc infowhat i'm looking for from an editorial presence on a streaming service is more of the kind of writing emusic excelled at (and that many ilxors provided):http://www.emusic.com/reviews/
― ulysses, Thursday, 3 March 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
Spotify unfortunately don't have a off platform Content Strategy. Considering the importance of content strategy, content marketing and content curation / blogging - I do find this rather baffling.
However, maybe this will change soon
as previously mentioned on this thread, re: George Ergatoudis
BBC RADIO 1’S GEORGE ERGATOUDIS JOINS SPOTIFYhttp://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/bbc-radio-1s-george-ergatoudis-joins-spotify/
Spotify has confirmed the appointment of George Ergatoudis in the newly-created position of Head of Content Programming for the UK.
In his new role at Spotify, based in London, George Ergatoudis will be responsible for leading Spotify’s in-house music curation strategy and content programming for the UK.
Ergatoudis joins Spotify from the BBC where he was most recently Head of Music for BBC Radio 1 and 1Xtra.
He takes up his new position in March.
however does his role extend off platform?
― djmartian, Thursday, 3 March 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
the person in charge of Spotify "Global Head of Curation"
Doug Fordhttp://dougfordmusic.com/about-2/Global Head of Curation/Director of Music Programming North America
― djmartian, Thursday, 3 March 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Spotify unfortunately don't have a off platform Content Strategy
Well they do though, or at least they are experimenting, i.e. http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/03/facebook-messenger-spotify/
https://www.facebook.com/games/get-spotify
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/faqs#why_do_i_have_to_export_tracks
and etc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 March 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link
"Seeing movies and listening to music suggested to us by algorithms is relatively harmless, I suppose. But I hope that once in a while the users of those services resist the recommendations; our exposure to art shouldn’t be hemmed in by an algorithm that we merely want to believe predicts our tastes accurately. These algorithms do not represent emotion or meaning, only statistics and correlations."
Lanier, Jaron (2013-05-07). Who Owns the Future? (p. 192). Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 4 March 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link
Algorithms are not an alternative to your friends, they've an alternative to wandering blindly anywhere your friends haven't already been.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 4 March 2016 02:16 (eight years ago) link
Critical question: Why is Depeche Mode's Music for the Masses missing the indispensable first track, Never Let Me Down Again?
― hats to all the angles on their heads and surely many, many of blings (ledge), Friday, 4 March 2016 10:00 (eight years ago) link
It's on the Singles album so the only sensible fix is to create your own playlist of that version + the rest of the album. But yes, these sorts of things is the worst thing about streaming services. Listening to an album you love only to find that it's skipping an essential track? Inexcusable.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 4 March 2016 10:48 (eight years ago) link
The Singles version has different mastering, right?
― Siegbran, Friday, 4 March 2016 13:30 (eight years ago) link
Normally when an album has a missing track it's visible, just greyed out and unplayable. This one is totally absent.
― hats to all the angles on their heads and surely many, many of blings (ledge), Friday, 4 March 2016 14:24 (eight years ago) link
"Never Let Me Down Again" appears to only be missing from the album in the UK. In all other regions, it's there. This is intentional in the sense that the rights data sent to Spotify from the label (Sony in this case) specifies it explicitly, but if it's intentional in a human sense, I don't know why. I'll see if I can find out, both because I'm curious, and because maybe it was a metadata mistake somewhere along the way. (Although it seems to have been this way since 2013, so I'd have thought somebody would have noticed before now.)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 6 March 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link
article dated December 11, 2012
Depeche Mode Sign Worldwide Deal With Columbia Recordshttp://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1483982/depeche-mode-sign-worldwide-deal-with-columbia-records
Depeche Mode has signed a new worldwide deal with Columbia Records and will release a new album in March 2013.
The band, comprised of Dave Gahan, Martin Gore and Andy 'Fletch' Fletcher and managed by Jonathan Kessler, had previously spent its 30-year career with Warner Music labels Sire and Reprise and EMI's Mute and Capitol. Depeche Mode's 12 studio albums have reached the Top 10 in over 20 countries, including the U.S. and U.K.
looks like columbia / sony acquired back catalogue rights
see amazon uk: for label: sonyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Masses-Depeche-Mode/dp/B00DJLOBDEreleased (5 Aug. 2013)
― djmartian, Sunday, 6 March 2016 12:02 (eight years ago) link
I dunno what's going on with Stations/Radio at the moment, but each time I close down and re-open it's a lottery as to whether Stations is going to appear under Your Music or not.
On the plus side my Discover Weekly was ace this week.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
My Discover Weekly was so so, but it did make me discover the song Seabird by Alessi Brothers.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
haven't listened to discover weekly in ages, for the past two weeks all I've listened to in my spare time are (I'm not proud) MIDIs, which I think is the music-discovery equivalent of giving up and wearing pajamas and leggings out in public
whatever I sporadically listened to seems to have produced a decent doppelganger of the hype machine, or whatever the hype machine's equivalent is in 2016 (I just checked the actual 2016 hype machine and the first track shown is the Chainsmokers so I would guess something has shifted)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
MIDIs?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
That's what I used to listen to in the days before I had computer that could properly play Mp3s.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:30 (eight years ago) link
that's hysterical katherine.though i do have the kk slider extension for chrome (before he got the inevitable take down) so maybe i'm there with youhttp://www.polygon.com/2015/4/5/8348795/animal-crossing-soundtrack-background-music-free-google-chrome-browser-extension
― ulysses, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E413-Oi_j5A
― ulysses, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
to be fair "two weeks" was an exaggeration, it's more like five days
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link
Spotify FireTV app updated to full Spotify (not just Connect), and works now!
― schwantz, Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
Discover Weekly keeps handing me Stand On The Word style lo-fi gospel soul stuff like this http://lightintheattic.net/releases/481-like-a-ship-without-a-sail
― Dan I., Tuesday, 15 March 2016 14:44 (eight years ago) link
for the past two weeks all I've listened to in my spare time are (I'm not proud) MIDIs
this is awesome
― micro brewbio (crüt), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 14:48 (eight years ago) link
is there still a dedicated community of people making General MIDI versions of current pop songs?
why does Spotify list Meshell Ndegeocello as a collaborating artist on Bauhaus's "Hair of the Dog"???
― There was a hole bunch of problems whit his campaigns (crüt), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link
― micro brewbio (crüt), Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:48 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
belatedly: idk about "dedicated" or "community" (it's either scattered or for sale as ersatz karaoke backing) but sort of? I have a midi of "Problem." it will surprise no one that a midi synth still outraps iggy
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 21 March 2016 04:39 (eight years ago) link
YSI?
― ulysses, Monday, 21 March 2016 05:03 (eight years ago) link
The technical answer to the bizarre Bauhaus/Ndegeocello thing is "Because the label sent it to us that way." Looks like they sent it to all streaming services that way. She has a different song by the same title, but I have no idea why that would lead to this error. We will ask them to correct this...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 March 2016 08:57 (eight years ago) link
According to the On Tour Near Me feature, Baauer (Philly trap and bass dude) is opening for Jonathan Richman next month. (If only.)
― dc, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
my discover weekly does not suck this week and is in fact great. (apropos of nothing, but I just felt the need to cancel out at least a small portion of complaining)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:44 (eight years ago) link
Mine is full of Flying Nun and related and is thus also great.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:28 (eight years ago) link
Jukebox reinvented for the streaming era
SPOTIFY POWERED JUKEBOX APP ALLOWS USERS TO DJ AT VENUEShttp://djmag.com/news/spotify-powered-jukebox-app-allows-users-dj-venues
The app, designed in collaboration with Nightlife Music, is currently only available in Australia where it has been beta tested in 250 venues including bars, gyms and bowling alleys.
― djmartian, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link
― welltris (crüt), Friday, October 16, 2015 1:13 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is still the case. I even reported it to Spotify months ago and it still hasn't been corrected. How can this get fixed? If the problem is on the publisher's end, how do I contact the publisher? This is driving me absolutely crazy because I want to be able to listen to this album and have it scrobble correctly on last.fm.
― ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 13:21 (eight years ago) link
I will have us ask again for the label to fix it. Mute/INgrooves/BMG: it's anybody's guess who in that chain actually maintains this data.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 13:30 (eight years ago) link
i thought this was really good:
http://omnifeed.com/article/motherboard.vice.com/read/there-is-a-subtle-power-struggle-for-control-of-music-metadata
not specific to spotify but wasn't sure where else to post it
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link
This is driving me absolutely crazy because I want to be able to listen to this album and have it scrobble correctly on last.fm.
If you listen to both tracks does it matter which order they're scrobbled in? If you want to hear the tracks in the right order swap then in a playlist.
― onimo, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
swap *them*
THE SCROBBLES ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE ROOM
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link
we scrobbled in its subtle brume
― Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link
what is the point of scrobbling, exactly? Does anyone actually care enough to read lists of what other people listen to?
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:32 (eight years ago) link
lol you are asking that question on ILM, of course we do!
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:35 (eight years ago) link
fair dos.
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:38 (eight years ago) link
i thought this was really good:http://omnifeed.com/article/motherboard.vice.com/read/there-is-a-subtle-power-struggle-for-control-of-music-metadatanot specific to spotify but wasn't sure where else to post it― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 1:43 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 1:43 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://wtf.tw/ref/bardzell.pdf
^this paper is really dry but it's a starting point for "feminist hci" which says self-disclosure is important in these systems among other things.
― map, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:45 (eight years ago) link
Apart from the lists/stats/OCD thing, scrobbling means last.fm can recommend you music based on artists you listen to. But now last.fm has gone to shit so it's kind of pointless (their recommendations now include stuff you already listen to and you can't even delete them, also they don't recommend you "neighbours" (= people with similar taste) anymore either)
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 24 March 2016 08:04 (eight years ago) link
Finally got access to our "Fan Insights" page, and it's pretty neat. You get some basic demographic and location info for listeners, and lots of graphs, etc. Turns out we have a lot of fans in Stockholm (??)
― schwantz, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 22:54 (eight years ago) link
Maybe you have as many or more fans elsewhere, but more of your Swedish fans have Spotify since it's a Swedish company? Sounds potentially really helpful in terms of deciding where to tour, though.
― dc, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 23:07 (eight years ago) link
Font changes on iPad app, now kinda small and high contrast and hard to read.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link
Is there any reason why I'm getting so few notifications this week? I kind of rely on them! Music is dropping left and right but searching through the 1500 or so artists I follow just takes too much time.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 7 April 2016 06:56 (eight years ago) link
I can see it's sort of tailored to my listening (or at least my Spotify listening which is about 10% of it) but it's badly named if I'm supposed to discover something from hearing 'Release the Bats' or 'O Superman' for the thousandth time.― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Friday, January 22, 2016 4:14 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Friday, January 22, 2016 4:14 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
'O Superman' in my Discover playlist yet again this week.
― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Saturday, 9 April 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
So... is there ANY way of getting notifications back once they've dried up? It's been five days since I got my last one now and it's very frustrating to miss out on new music. I need to know.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 9 April 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
jfc the Beatles are on Spotify
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 10 April 2016 05:57 (eight years ago) link
who let them on?
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Sunday, 10 April 2016 14:37 (eight years ago) link
https://musicindustryblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/spotifys-billion-dollar-challenge/
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 April 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link
I can see it's sort of tailored to my listening (or at least my Spotify listening which is about 10% of it) but it's badly named if I'm supposed to discover something from hearing 'Release the Bats' or 'O Superman' for the thousandth time. ― ilxors ananimus (onimo), Friday, January 22, 2016 4:14 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink'O Superman' in my Discover playlist yet again this week.― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Saturday, April 9, 2016 8:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Saturday, April 9, 2016 8:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and this week it has 'Release the Bats' again ffs
― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Monday, 11 April 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
What's your Spotify username? I can tell the team responsible.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 April 2016 23:57 (eight years ago) link
The handful of misfires and repeats that show up on my DW can all be forgiven every time it digs up a barely remembered nugget like Translator's "Everywhere That I'm Not" (warning, do not watch video if you hate the 80s)
― Freakshow At The Barn Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 02:52 (eight years ago) link
K-major & Basmo on this week's Fresh Finds! Nice!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 14 April 2016 10:54 (eight years ago) link
I had no idea until today that my Spotify library had a maximum capacity but according to the Android app it does and I've just hit it.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 April 2016 13:41 (eight years ago) link
^ is the reason i routinely check to see whether apple music is working properly yet (it's not) and end up deleting downloads from spotify instead. this offline limit is the only thing that will push me away from spotify one day, perhaps in 2019 when apple gets its shit together.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 15 April 2016 03:53 (eight years ago) link
It's not just an offline limit - even if you don't have a saved album available offline it still counts toward your Your Music 10k limit (I had maybe 5 albums that I had made available offline when I got the notification). Seems that play lists don't count towards this limit so I ended up moving lots of albums from Your Music to play lists.
Btw speaking of play lists I turned on my phone yesterday on the way to work and all my play lists were gone...I almost had a heart attack. Luckily I restarted spotify a few times and they came back. Is the playlist restore feature on spotifys website any good or should I be backing them up some other way?
― musically, Friday, 15 April 2016 04:34 (eight years ago) link
It's not just an offline limit - even if you don't have a saved album available offline it still counts toward your Your Music 10k limit
well if that's the case it's pretty ridiculous. on ios it doesn't even tell you about any limit, it just stops downloading, and then you leave the house to find half an album/playlist is not there.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 15 April 2016 07:37 (eight years ago) link
I have an iphone and got the message...tho I got it when i was just saving something (a notification popped up), I wasn't toggling the save offline switch on something I had already saved.
Anyway I can see some reason why they'd decide to cap music saved offline but music that's saved online only is basically a collection of shortcuts, idg why that's capped. Especially since that cap doesn't extend to playlists; so all the functionality did was make me unsave a bunch of albums, then add them back as playlists. Not sure what the point of that is...
― musically, Friday, 15 April 2016 07:56 (eight years ago) link
caps might have made sense a few years ago when streaming services weren't the centre of the music industry. now that it's ~the way~ so many people use music, the limit is just an archaic pain in the arse, and i'm surprised spotify still has it. i've mentioned this itt before but i'm pretty sure no other major service limits to ~3,300 offline songs.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 15 April 2016 08:31 (eight years ago) link
not sure if it's been brought up here but like three or four years ago they took away the ability to see who is following your playlist and have yet to bring it back. Is there a reason for this? it seems like a fairly obvious social media feature to have available and i used it a lot to find people with like taste.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:01 (eight years ago) link
Showing followers didn't scale. One could imagine showing them only up to some cutoff, but that's kind of arbitrary. I feel the pain, too, as a playlist maker, but it's a tricky design problem...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
why not show them all? infinite scroll? paginate? there are options
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 April 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
I haven't had any notifications in 11 days...I restarted Spotify and now the notifications icon (the bell) has disappeared completely...
― tay.ai fan (seandalai), Saturday, 16 April 2016 01:03 (eight years ago) link
It's going to hang out with the stars.
― Jeff, Saturday, 16 April 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link
hm, same thing
― ulysses, Saturday, 16 April 2016 03:43 (eight years ago) link
12 days since I got my last one. I contacted Spotify about it and they were very helpful, advising me to reinstall via several emails. After I reinstalled and told them that it still wasn't working I haven't heard from them though. At least the bell is still present, I guess.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 16 April 2016 07:41 (eight years ago) link
I haven't gotten any in a while, either. I'll see if I can find out what's going on.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 16 April 2016 08:44 (eight years ago) link
Hey glenn I'm finding you can no longer drag a track from in-browser spotify straight into a playlist on your desktop version - now it just diverts you to the record the track you've dragged is from. Do you know if this is an intentional change or temporary bug or wha?
― nashwan, Saturday, 16 April 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link
i do miss being able to see who was following a playlist
― balls, Saturday, 16 April 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link
this new 'songs based on the playlist you made' feature is blowing my actual mind. the best feature they've ever done, a freaking brilliant idea.
― piscesx, Monday, 18 April 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link
omg I was just thinking the other day what a great feature that would be.
― Just can't get Eno, ugh (ledge), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 04:53 (eight years ago) link
It was in rdio 2 years ago iirc
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link
is this the list you get if you select Radio for a playlist or is something different?
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:09 (eight years ago) link
App is slower than dripping molasses on iOS 7. Wish they still provided an older version.
― calstars, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:16 (eight years ago) link
A fellow iOS 7 user! *waves*. It does take an age to start up and sometimes can take a frustratingly log time to start playing a track from a new album or playlist - generally it works ok for me though.
― Just can't get Eno, ugh (ledge), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 15:34 (eight years ago) link
maybe spotify on ios is some kind of revenge for itunes on windows...
― koogs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link
The "radio" is cool; so far it's mainly helping me remember obvious things that should have been in a playlist, rather than revealing totally unknown things to me. I imagine the algorithm works off of "other people who listened to x..." logic, so that's not so surprising - my playlist full of familiar classic rock radio cuts is logically going to turn up other classic rock radio staples. No worries there.
I do wish it were at least programmed to leave out songs that are already in that playlist, though! Maybe there's some other use for it that I'm overlooking, but it seems like the main value would be to give you new ideas to supplement a playlist, not stuff you're obviously already listening to. Other than that, the only problem is the same as Discover Weekly - the majority of the 'radio' is stuff that I'm very well aware of and have left out of the playlist on purpose, either because I own the album and don't want it to lose its freshness, or because I don't like the song. But I can't imagine how that would be avoided. It's a decent feature. What's the window on it being willing to refresh and give you a new 'radio' lineup for a given playlist, though?
― never ending bath infusion (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Does the Spotify Discovery playlist take into account everything you've listened to, or only most recent listening activity? Or both, but with a stronger bias towards the most recent?
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
out of curiosity - does spotify take account of you adding stuff to your own playlist from your discover weekly one?
― i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link
Does Spotify consider your personal affection for Big Country and Julianna Hatfield, and then factor that into an algorithm that decides how helpful the discover playlist will be?
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
Uh oh.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link
I'm slightly disappointed to learn that some of the more interesting/esoteric song choices that pop up in my Discovery playlist seem like they might be a result of said song showing up in an episode of Girls. Or at least that probably explains things like the Oggum Boogum song and Girl by FLiP. It probably doesn't explain the Laurie Anderson track about her giving birth to a dog that she had sewn into her stomach.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
my playlist was particularly good this week. a lot of my old faves (not obvious ones either) with some good new picks
― i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:21 (eight years ago) link
xp haha I got that Laurie Anderson track, too!
― We quickly ate the feast as to leave ASAP (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
the email and desktop notifications are both still not working. Now 15 days and counting.
found this via twiiterhttps://twitter.com/search?q=spotify%20notifications%20&src=typd
The reason for no spotify notifications, this job vacancy exists?
Product Owner, Notifications and Marketing Automation
SpotifyNew York, NY, United StatesFull-Timehttps://app.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?b=neaRWvwb&j=oLy41fw8
― djmartian, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link
Mine have been gone for 15 days now too. :(
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Tips on keeping up to date with mew releases in the meantime
updated regularly:
Brian Askrud: April 2016https://open.spotify.com/user/baskrud/playlist/3bWf4lNH4tZ5jSopp9ZGvj
Tune New Music streamhttps://open.spotify.com/user/tunenewmusic/playlist/7dWUYZIWyt3lE1GlMOsraO
Johan Carlo Olsson: 2016 Best New Musichttps://open.spotify.com/user/jagheterjohanheterjag/playlist/62qt00xDiCgp7a42wVL0uf
All Things Go: Emerginghttps://open.spotify.com/user/allthingsgomusic/playlist/2VlzkJvSAd3PnLzo6llbL8
Updated Fridays
This Week's Releaseshttps://open.spotify.com/user/jlarome/playlist/6KErOvRQFEAnY5SdrrBDOD
connected with this website: http://www.spotifynewmusic.com/index.php
Boomkat - April 2016https://open.spotify.com/user/williemiller/playlist/26ExMZ5XTAgZreiVFJyhoOby spotify user Willie Miller
― djmartian, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link
Spotify's notifications feature is basically what won me over and made me scrap both apple music and google play. So I'm HOPING it will return soon.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 07:49 (eight years ago) link
this might have been asked a few times but I'm new to spotify. is there a fast way to create a playlist from a list of artists and tracks in text format?
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link
There's something weird going on in Spotify's listening data. I did some silly Game of Thrones Spotify thing and Spotify told me I listen to 50% EDM, 35% Experimental Electronic and 14% Rock, which isn't even close to true (no Hip-Hop or R&B??). Probably explains why my Discover playlists are all over the map.
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Saturday, 23 April 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link
I don't actually know what that Game of Thrones thing does, but it probably looks at only a tiny bit of your listening, because it works through an external API. Recent plays, or recent saves or something.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link
This feels extremely "late period" and I don't know if that's a good thing at this point.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:24 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, wrong thread. Lol.
xps to glenn -- makes sense, sort of like an auditory buzzfeed quiz i guess.
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:36 (eight years ago) link
does anyone know how to make the big blue bar across the top begging me to connect to facebook go away? it showed up a few weeeks ago and will not go away.
― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 24 April 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link
It's nice to be able to have local file playlists from more than one computer - i.e., not to have to tether the phone to just one device at a time.
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 01:27 (eight years ago) link
Oh, and these location specifics are kind of awesome:
http://i.imgur.com/GgLhJrk.jpg
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 01:28 (eight years ago) link
is there a fast way to create a playlist from a list of artists and tracks in text format?
http://www.playlist-converter.net
Only problem is when it finds the wrong version of a track (e.g. a live recording) as it's no longer as quick to add tracks to playlists by dragging them from browser to app - still gutted about this.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 11:23 (eight years ago) link
Notifications, please come back
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 11:41 (eight years ago) link
Co-sign
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link
i never understand how they can continually get stuff right and then fuck it up ...Stars, notification and so forth
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 12:21 (eight years ago) link
It's mind boggling.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 12:22 (eight years ago) link
This is kinda cool: http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/how-to-add-your-old-cds-to-spotify-1772337116
― schwantz, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link
Hey I just got some notifications, everyone. That's one gremlin down.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
Me too! I'm on iOS.
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
Goodbye hamburger menu! Celebratory hamburgers all round.
― I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 13:08 (eight years ago) link
good, the burger menu was shithouse. the new one seems to be rolling out slowly, nothing here as yet.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 13:10 (eight years ago) link
Actually it was the six, seven, or eight presses on the back button before unlocking the hamburger menu that really rankled. I think, I'm already suppressing the horror. Either way three cheers for the new bottom menu bar.
― I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 13:13 (eight years ago) link
yeah, just toggling mobile downloads or changing equaliser takes aaaaages with this bloody burger thing, and dragging from the left only triggers some of the time (on ios at least). won't miss it.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link
This is the way the navigation was back in the iOS 4 days. Happy to see it return !
― calstars, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 14:39 (eight years ago) link
Hey Glenn - is there any way to pull up older auto-generated playlists? I think we were on one of the Fresh Finds playlists, but we're not any more.
― schwantz, Thursday, 5 May 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link
No, but I can probably track it down. Which "we"?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 5 May 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
Society of Rockets. I was looking at the stats, and it looked like being on one of the fresh finds playlists sent our listener count way up. Wonder if that will last at all. Pretty cool to get all of these real-time statistics.
How long until promoters get savvy and start getting you Nets tickets in exchange for algorithm tweaks?
― schwantz, Thursday, 5 May 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
Yes, looks like "Country Dealer" was on SIX STRINGS 3 weeks ago.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link
― schwantz, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:21 (eight years ago) link
― I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 23:08 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i still bloody don't have this
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 13 May 2016 08:34 (eight years ago) link
I get this thing a lot on the Spotify desktop client where it thinks I'm offline when I'm not. Always have to reboot the app. Does anyone else get that? Kind of annoying.
― Position Position, Friday, 13 May 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link
always, need to close and relaunch
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 13 May 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, same here, and same solution - close and relaunch. Pain in the hole.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Decent interview with Ben Ratliff here on the impact of algorythms on the way we discover music -
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-algorithms-ruining-how-we-discover-music/
The interviewer (FiveThirtyEight's Jody Avirgan) seems fairly happy with the situation on the whole, which is interesting to hear as there are most likely many people who enjoy never being taken out of their comfort zone, but theirs is a perspective you wouldn't normally hear i something like this (it's certainly not the way I see it.)
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
It seems like it'd be useful to understand how these algorithms work when evaluating their use in music. For example, I'm not sure that the algorithms that Spotify uses for Discovery are designed to make a playlist that reflects your current music listening state exactly or that keeps you in your comfort zone. What's worth more to Spotify: That you keep listening because you are comfortable? That you discover a new favorite kind of music and go on a listening binge? Or that you pay your $10 next month and maybe convince a friend to pay $10 because you liked a bit of their software?
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
Either way, it's definitely not the algorithms' fault because an algorithm can be tuned to take you out of your comfort zone even more than you would on your own.
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Eventually, the service may grow from a custom algorithm-generated playlist delivered weekly to a simple interface to algorithms for discovering new music.
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
"Algorithms" have no inherent agenda. We have things that are trying to keep you in your comfort zone, and things that are trying to push you out of it, and things (like Discover Weekly) that behave different ways for different people. And yes, Discover Weekly is the first of many things...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:06 (eight years ago) link
"behave different ways for different people"
maybe you can't explain how this works but i'm def interested
― dc, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link
Oh, in the DW case I only meant that the same system produces very mainstream results for some people and very obscure results for other people.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:16 (eight years ago) link
'"Algorithms" have no inherent agenda'
not true. they're created, selected among, tuned and deployed by people who, whether they realize it or not, have cultural biases and an agenda.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 19 May 2016 00:48 (eight years ago) link
Any individual algorithm probably has an agenda, explicit or implicit. But "algorithms", as a class of thing, do not.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 May 2016 01:33 (eight years ago) link
It's like saying that things made with "tools" are "impersonal".
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 May 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link
Does Spotify deploy "algorithms" as a class of thing, or does it use individual ones? Do I have to pay extra for the plan that includes the former?
― dlp9001, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:07 (eight years ago) link
i love Spotify and i'm not leaving.
Love, Bee OK
― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:11 (eight years ago) link
I left it for Tidal, once I found out about the student discount. The algorithms tried to stop me, but I ducked around a corner and lost them.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link
hmm, Spotify has a student discount?
― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:18 (eight years ago) link
plus Spotify is ILM as this point. i can't give up our playlists.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link
yeap, they do have a student discount. it is half off.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:20 (eight years ago) link
OTM in the biggest way possible (Spotify is ILM).
― dlp9001, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:20 (eight years ago) link
dlp9001, perhaps you can focus your anonymous discussion energies on the Tidal thread now, too.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link
Spotify has a student discount but I've never been able to get it to actually apply to the amount billed on my account, despite the system deeming me A-OK for such something like two years ago. YMMV.
― sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:22 (eight years ago) link
Tidal seems to be talking about Chris Forsyth, and I don't know who that is.
I was somewhat shocked by how easily Tidal allowed my student discount, as I don't use a college email address. They must have great algorithms.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link
― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link
College is mysterious. And Tidal doesn’t want robots completely in control of verifying who is in college.
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 May 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's an implicit agenda in deciding a problem is vulnerable to an algorithmic approach
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 19 May 2016 03:17 (eight years ago) link
Easy to be pedantic and just talk about the title, which is as tabloidised as headlines generally are, and easy not to think this is an issue as Spotify is used on ILM by actual humans to share playlists, which is not the case for everyone. Have a listen to the podcast, the text just has a summary, and the interesting bits come up in the detail.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 19 May 2016 08:33 (eight years ago) link
speaking of algorithms
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/opinion/the-real-bias-built-in-at-facebook.html
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 May 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link
also https://socialmediacollective.org/2016/05/18/facebook-trends/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link
so as of today i am seeing specific recommendations at the bottom of each playlist based on the makeup of that playlist... not a bad idea! For the ILX lists in particular it's kind of interesting to see what's being recommended.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
it also comes with a "refresh" button so you can get more recommendations beyond the first six
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
I've found those very 'safe' so far. I've got a fairly eclectic jazz 'best of' playlist and it keeps recommending me Kind of Blue and Dave Brubeck.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Friday, 20 May 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link
agreed; it appears to also be drawing from other playlists you have... Yemi Alade's "Koffi Anan" showed up as recommended in the R&B playlist which can't be a total coincidence.Regardless, it's a good idea; dunno about how good that algorithm is.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:30 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it's neat and got me listening to one thing I had otherwise missed (the Kedr Livanskiy album). I'd really prefer to have notifications back though.
― “Play shuffle board and drink bear!” (seandalai), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
That thing draws from all the playlists across Spotify, not just yours. In its initial incarnation it's not necessarily trying to be surprising, so the Davis/Brubeck thing doesn't surprise me too much. Classical lists will probably have similarly "safe" suggestions. The results will tend to be more eclectic in genres where the listeners listen more eclectically in general.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 May 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link
What I didn't notice till recently was that Spotify will also give you recommendations just based on the playlist's title if you don't have anything on it.
― MarkoP, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link
It's missing an "n" and screws up the capitals, but to hell with minor quibbles. New header for this thread:
http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iMrIEsj1N9f8/v1/-1x-1.jpg
― dlp9001, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:12 (eight years ago) link
it's awesome that glenn owns and directs a multi billion dollar company and still has time to post here, good on him
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link
He just needs to stop destroying small villages in his quest for power.
― dlp9001, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
Truly he is a rapacious monster and we cower before him respectfully.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91I2Hs2CytL._SL1500_.jpg
― dlp9001, Friday, 20 May 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
how do i know
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link
That's ridiculous. The pincers on my right arm are in addition to the lasers, not instead of them.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 May 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link
https://news.spotify.com/us/2016/05/23/spotify-family-plan-gets-an-upgrade/
now us$15 for family plan, everywhere except canada
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 00:34 (eight years ago) link
Oh cool!
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 10:25 (eight years ago) link
I don't think I have the suggested-songs-by-playlist feature yet but discover weekly did tell me that Corrina Repp had a new album out, so good job, outsourced-ersatz-brain
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
(I don't know what it says about me that most people I read imagine discover weekly as a "music-loving friend/boyfriend" and my imagination is a disembodied version of my brain. nothing flattering, probably.)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
i'm generally distrustful/resentful of and occasionally pleased by my discover weekly, so i guess it basically is my boyfriend.
― dc, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
This makes me happy: http://www.factmag.com/2016/05/26/spotify-dubset-streaming-dj-mixes-deal/
― schwantz, Thursday, 26 May 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
if they can add that to Discover Weekly, plus their quasi-radio shows, they will essentially be an actual radio station tailored to you
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 May 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link
House music in particular is much more fun to listen to as mixed sets, rather than having to hear 2 minutes of intro/outro for every track. I wonder if Traktor or other DJ software) will enable a "publish to Spotify" feature. Also, I guess this incentivizes DJs to only use tracks that are on Spotify, which is lame, but at least musicians will get paid something.
― schwantz, Thursday, 26 May 2016 21:27 (eight years ago) link
Interesting article on why Spotify can't seem to figure out why I love both Lisa Suckdog and Styx. I dropped my subscription a week ago, but seriously Spotify robot masters: I don't want to hear anything from Bob Mould's solo albums, and anyone with a brain could figure that out in about ten seconds, and that's a large part of why I dropped your service (the other part is that Tidal sounds about a thousand times better).
https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
It's weird to me that that article has been spread around so much recently, because it's such obvious bullshit. I don't know what you're saying it has to do with Spotify, but "Your brain does not process information"--what!? The guy uses the old bad-faith technique of building an argument by disingenuously redefining all the terms so as to be different from how they're commonly understood. Fuck that dumb shit
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
xpost Nobody forced you to listen to your Discovery playlist!
That article seems like one of many written by psychologists who have a very basic understanding of computer science (or really any science outside of their field). And, it didn't mention Spotify at all. Maybe move this to the AI thread?
And Dan I otm.
― schwantz, Saturday, 28 May 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
I suspect that nobody on this board is in a place to really judge that article in any competent way, as anyone with the knowledge to deal with it is busy doing more important things. It's always nice to see pushback against CW that leads to promotion of Bob Mould solo albums.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
Nobody here is defending Bob Mould solo albums.
― schwantz, Saturday, 28 May 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link
glenn's algorithms appear to be doing so irl. I'd kind of like to start a thread where the algorithms talk to us about their love of Bob Mould. Like an Algorthm S/D thread.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
We're competent enough to comfortably call out bullshit like that.
Discover weekly does have very off weeks sometimes. I wonder if it happens when they're trying out algorithmic variations. Last week I got such a lame set of tracks that I was shaking my head like "Oh Spotify, is your opinion of my musical taste really so low?", but this week it was back on point.
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
"Nobody here has a complex enough understanding of computer science principles and cognitive psychology to talk about either."
"dude... what if The Algorithms could, like... *talk*"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 28 May 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link
― dnftt9001 (Drugs A. Money),
― a mom shaped pom (wins), Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Ha, I don't see anything wrong with talking about algorithms as if they have desires, motivations, or preferences, though. I don't think it's incorrect to say, for example that linear regression "wants" to find a straight line that minimizes the residuals
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:14 (eight years ago) link
I'm sort of curious, so here's the experiment. Open a new Spotify account. Alternate playing a randomly selected Killing Joke track and a randomly selected Smiths track for one month and a total of 100 songs. Then post your Discover Playlist. I'll bet Bob Mould is on it.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Just to be clear, I don't personally work on Discover Weekly. But I know how it works. It has no aesthetic agenda. It doesn't care about Bob Mould one way or another. But people who make playlists that include things you listen to? They care. DW calculates how much.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
That sounds like damage control to me! I closed my Spotify account when I switched to Tidal, but we do all sorts of crazy stuff in the name of science...
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
[28 days later "Hoover Dam" inexplicably tops the charts in the US.]
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:31 (eight years ago) link
discover weekly was trying to make me listen to Bob Mould this week as well! this has never happened before as far as I can remember
― soref, Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
I mean, it fucked up in the sense that it didn't play what you wanted to hear, since its purpose is basically to play the kinds of things the listener wants to hear, but that doesn't mean it didn't have a good reason for putting that stuff on there. For example look at the related artists pages for Bob Mould and Husker Du--have you listened to or do you have playlists that include any of the artists on those pages? I mean, I don't know if DW specifically pulls from the same source that the related artists are pulled from, but it's probably a safe bet that you usually listen to sad boring 45 year old white guy music--thus the Bob Mould.
(Xpost although I'm also open to the idea that Spotify is pulling some shady "sponsored artist" type shit, too)
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link
Also woah dlp9001 you post all the time on ilx about how often you listen to zen arcade, and then you're surprised that they gave you bob mould? What the fuck did you think was going to happen when you stuck zen arcade on repeat for a week?
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
"Not playing what you wanted to hear, but having a good reason for doing it." That could probably be a corporate slogan for Echo Nest. A little longer than "We know music..." but I've always wondered what came after those ellipses, and it makes me kind of nervous.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
And actually, I think I posted about playing the crap out of side 2 of Zen Arcade, and anyone who connects that with Bob Mould's solo career is drinking from the robot juice.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
I'm honestly very curious about the kinds of suggestions you're going to get from tidal. In what sane world would any recommendation service NOT recommend bob mould to a husker du obsessive?
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
I ain't trying to stalk a dude, but your name comes up on literally every husker du thread
― Dan I., Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
You mess with the Beatles, you get the Wings
Ok, taking a question straight: If someone said they liked Zen Arcade, there are about a million things I'd recommend before Bob Mould's solo career. Along similar lines, if someone said they liked the Pixies I'd send them to Mclusky in a heartbeat, Nemo's first album in a heartbeat, Frank Black not so much. Ditto Replacements "Stink"/Paul Westerberg. And so on.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
You can stop posting on this thread about the service you don't use or like now.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 28 May 2016 20:53 (eight years ago) link
If someone said they liked Zen Arcade, there are about a million things I'd recommend before Bob Mould's solo career. Along similar lines, if someone said they liked the Pixies I'd send them to Mclusky in a heartbeat, Nemo's first album in a heartbeat, Frank Black not so much. Ditto Replacements "Stink"/Paul Westerberg. And so on.
But if most people who like the band also listen to the solo artist, then that's going to be more likely to be what pushes the algorithm, not the outliers.
I have never been recommended bob mould, for the record.
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Sunday, 29 May 2016 05:33 (eight years ago) link
I have; somehow it didn't cause me to have an aneurysm.
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Sunday, 29 May 2016 11:41 (eight years ago) link
when I play discover weekly it's mostly awesome tracks, I think because I spend a lot of time listening to awesome tracks. I don't listen to all of that mould-adjacent stuff drp9001 loves so much tho.
I don't understand why DW has even become a talking point to the extent it is tbh; thinking of an automatically generated playlist as a friend or boyfriend or whatever seems crazytown to me. I used to use the "track radio based on" feature like 5 years ago when I was feeling lazy, and skip the tracks I didn't like
― mario vargis loosa (wins), Sunday, 29 May 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
like the first time a computer recommended me music i hated i got really mad too, but i got over it. they're just computers. they don't know any better. even if 90% of what a computer recommends to me is crap, i'm grateful for that 10% i wouldn't have heard otherwise!
― Sgt. Coldy Bimore (rushomancy), Sunday, 29 May 2016 12:09 (eight years ago) link
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Sunday, May 29, 2016 1:33 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm -- think of all the solo albums that *don't* get recommended because they never got press or fan traction
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 29 May 2016 13:44 (eight years ago) link
("get recommended" here is a catchall, incidentally -- it could just as easily mean "brought up in conversation" as "returned by recommendation software," because as always there is something of a feedback loop)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 29 May 2016 13:45 (eight years ago) link
Im a huge husker du fan and hadn't heard bob's solo album but a week or so after it came out DW had a track from it and I really liked it and checked out the album and I thought it was good.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 29 May 2016 13:46 (eight years ago) link
Essentially what we're saying is that if you like Bob Mould solo, DW is the greatest thing since sliced bread with truffle fries prepared by Greg Norton.
I will inform Attila that most people who like a solo artist also love the bands they were in.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
imo dlp you are being super weird about this. afaict it's your basic 'people who liked x also liked y' algorithm, souped up with some kind of playlist-scouring thing that gives extra weight to things that get playlisted together. do you also take offense when amazon proposes a book you have no interest in reading? or is it that bob mould specifically has done something unforgivable to you or those you love?
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
like i have all kinds of complaints with spotify, petty and less petty, but if discover weekly's selections really bother you then... don't use discover weekly?
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I never use mine they always stink.
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
xp -- I'm not sure why Bob Mould is the hill we have collectively decided to die on. (I heard one of his solo albums. It was pretty OK! Also, the idea of whatever sponsored-artist machinations record labels are undoubtedly doing centering around BOB MOULD is perhaps the funniest thing in this overgrown amoeba of a thread.)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
Well, I mean, I kind of did that when I dropped Spotify and switched to Tidal. The Bob Mould thing is something I noticed a while back and has always struck me as odd/interesting.
Amazon doesn't seem to have any employees posting regularly about Amazon on ILM, so I've never given that much thought.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
too busy being mercilessly exploited by the standards of merciless exploitation to shitpost on an internet message board?
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
shitposting - now i have a name for what i do
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link
thanks 4chan
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
I don't understand why DW has even become a talking point to the extent it is tbh; thinking of an automatically generated playlist as a friend or boyfriend or whatever seems crazytown to me.
It's like getting mad that Youtube's "other related videos" sidebar doesn't represent "who I really am"
― Sharia Laws and Lambchop (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
I believe this is how Echo Nest would explain why DW is important, though I could be wrong:
With Taste Profiles for every user on your service, you can enhance the complete discovery experience in new ways. For example, you can build social discovery features to connect fans who share common music taste, giving them a fun new way to discover music through each other. Meanwhile, personalized recommendations in your app and marketing campaigns will keep fans coming back and spending more time with your service.
So essentially it's about making things fun for us, which seems like a laudable goal and only a real ass would object. I didn't understand the sentence after that, so I'll pretend it isn't there.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link
as has been noted previously, glenn's cred as an ILMer/internet music nerd goes wayyyyy back before spotify was a gleam in some algorithm's eye. i may not agree with everything he says in this thread but trying to pigeonhole him as a company shill is unfair, and anyway irrelevant to the question of whether spotify's any good.
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
I know him from before Spotify as well, and I think he's a great guy, full stop, no sarcasm. That says nothing about the Spotify threads as they exist on ILM.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
Glenn stole my stars and kicked my puppy!
― Jeff, Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Nah, I like Glenn. He's nice.
I have a private warehouse full of everybody's stars.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link
dlp - okay but, again, what does glenn working for spotify, and simultaneously posting to ILM, have to do with your bob mould gripes? i'm not following the argument.
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
it's not an argument. it's rhetorical water torture.
― dc, Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
glenn works for The Echo Nest, which is owned by Spotify, before we go any farther. He doesn't work for Spotify directly. It seems reasonable to suggest that we know who is posting on threads on ILM when they have a significant relationship with an involved corporate entity, especially if those threads relate to commercial music services. ILM is generally known as a site for discussing and discovering music. Echo Nest describe themselves thusly:
The Echo Nest is the industry’s leading music intelligence company, providing developers with the deepest understanding of music content and music fans.
Leading music services (Clear Channel’s iHeartradio, MOG, Rdio, SiriusXM, Spotify), editorial, video and social media networks (BBC.com, Foursquare, MTV, Twitter, VEVO, Yahoo!), connected device manufacturers (doubleTwist, Nokia) and big brands (Coca Cola, Intel, Microsoft, Reebok) use our platform and solutions to build smarter music experiences that help fans to better discover, share and interact with the music they love. Our customer base reaches over 100 million music fans every month through more than 400 apps and sites powered by The Echo Nest.
Headquartered in Somerville, MA, The Echo Nest was co-founded by two MIT PhDs. Investors include Commonwealth Capital Ventures, Matrix Partners, Norwest Venture Partners and three co-founders of the MIT Media Lab.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
ok............?
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
you brought up glenn's affiliation(s) in response to my point about amazon (and "people who listened to x listened to y" algorithms generally). i still don't understand how any of it is relevant to your beefs with said algorithms.
― bucyrus ohio, vus cun nus en l’aria (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
*sighs*
― calstars, Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
The algorithms are just not so great. I think that's the only beef. They benefit from a confirmation bias, in the sense that they recommend 99 Bob Mould albums and one Lovely Eggs album, and all I remember is the latter. Otherwise they're generally useless.
Meanwhile, I'm looking for an iTunes/Tidal/YouTube/Pandora/Record Label/Music Equipment etc. thread where a fairly visible employee from the company administers it and responds directly to questions about the service, on ILM, on a regular and current basis, without some sort of notification in the subject. Maybe there are others. There are all sorts of unexplored depths to ILM. Currently the Spotify threads seem like they belong on Reddit, with appropriate headings.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
Someone here said at one point, "Spotify is ILM" and while I have other concerns in my life (like I need to buy asparagus for a barbecue tonight) that struck me as a slope of great slipperiness.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
If it is actually true that you have any other concerns in your life, please, go attend to them.
― Dan I., Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
I work for Spotify. "The Echo Nest" might still exist in some corporate accounting sense, but not one that affects me.
Spotify has a lot of different "algorithms". Discover Weekly works very differently from "Related Artists", for example. Neither of those will ever "recommend" 99 Bob Mould albums, so I don't know what you're actually complaining about.
I do not "administer" this thread or anything else on ILM.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link
Guys please dont listen to new music
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:14 (eight years ago) link
What is the percentage of posts on the thread "New and Noteworthy Additions to Spotify" in terms of glenn vs. non-glenn?
I mean, the person who works for Tidal and happens to be mentioned 293 times in a one-year-old thread that just randomly happens to be solely related to his company probably isn't administering anything either. He/She is just a big music fan. I get that.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Ok but more importantly what is Glenn's gender and does (s)he like strip clubs?
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link
I believe it's "glenn" and not "Glenn." Male, and I'm going with no. Nice guy. Spotify thread should be marked as "corporate related" or the like.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Let it go. This thread is 8 years old, and it's about a service you don't use any more. It can take care of itself without your anonymous vigilance.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link
The thread I referenced is one year old. New and Noteworthy Additions to US Spotify.
I'm pretty sure I have a similar ratio of posts on threads about the Dustdevils, but they haven't cut me a check in a long, long time.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
Don't you still need that asparagus to go with your beef?
― I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link
BOTH those threads are about a service you don't use.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:04 (eight years ago) link
I knew this handkerchief and this chloroform would come in handy some day
― 0 / 0 (lukas), Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:21 (eight years ago) link
"dlp9001, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to Spotify... Let us not assassinate this lad further. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
imo the funniest thing about drp901 is that ppl keep assuming he's some kind of nu-new-vicperry until he points out that he's actually some ilm dork that's been posting for a decade without anybody noticing until he started piping up with rape apologism and pissy wounded warrior pronouncements about "ilx"
2nd funniest thing is that ppl keep responding to him
― mario vargis loosa (wins), Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:54 (eight years ago) link
some of the conversation about algorithms here (they're prejudiced and personal) doesn't make much sense to me. aiui algorithms are basically iterative logical or mathematical rules designed to try and derive meaning from complex, "natural" or human data outputs mechanically.
the taxonomies (audience profile and genre) to which they apply have more capacity to imply or contain prejudice as they're hard to define objectively. from what i can see from the furia blogs and glenn's comments everyone involved seems to take an informed and playful interest in categorisation.
the feedback loop of machine learning can probably emphasise skewed input (ie prejudice) too. but algorithms, although they unintelligently process this sort of information with the recommendation results that we see, are not the main thing I'd point my gun at.
that said always struggled with husker du let alone bob mould so ymmv.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 29 May 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link
wait did i just respond to dlp? I'm drunk.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 29 May 2016 23:00 (eight years ago) link
My job here has always been to ensure that the Colin Lloyd Tucker suites were kept clean. Someone has to mind the corners of ILM.
The Bob Mould thing isn't bullshit. I play Husker Du via flac when I want to hear them. DW has a serious schoolgirl crush on Bob.
I'll report back on my discover playlist after one month of alternating Smiths and Killing Joke. I don't know what will happen, but I expect it will be intersting.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 29 May 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link
http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/17389082?wid=480&hei=480
― Brad C., Sunday, 29 May 2016 23:18 (eight years ago) link
The only one who sounds like a shill on this thread is dlp9001; if you were a Tidal employee you couldn't be more obnoxious
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Monday, 30 May 2016 01:52 (eight years ago) link
oh fuck what if he's becky
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 30 May 2016 02:57 (eight years ago) link
with the güd hair
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 May 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link
Spotify is recommending a Scruffy the Cat anthology to me. I think it must be confusing me with Skot. Also I preferred the old Discover Weekly logo.
― Why You Wanna Treeship Borad? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 May 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
If you like to imagine that my personal tastes are enforced by Spotify recs, I did a short documentary film about Scruffy the Cat when I was in college.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 May 2016 13:20 (eight years ago) link
I don't like to imagine that but interesting nonetheless. Were you at that Relativity Records showcase in Times Square with them and Thelonious Monster, among others? It was at an Indian restaurant called Nirvana, I believe.
― Why You Wanna Treeship Borad? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 May 2016 14:31 (eight years ago) link
No! We spent a few weeks following them around Boston, but that was all.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 May 2016 14:35 (eight years ago) link
Is Bob Mould the American Gaz Coombs?
― MarkoP, Monday, 30 May 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link
the biggest problem w/ discover weekly is that it seems to only really work for a very specific subset of genres. i listen to tons to international music and folk music but my playlist is constantly populated w/ american indie acts. i don't think i've ever seen an african artist on the list, or an israeli artist, or a folk metal band. i guess it can only suggest what a lot of ppl are listening to so the more niche the genre the less results it'll have but it's still pretty disappointing to check it out and it is strongly suggesting that i might dig animal collective.
― Mordy, Monday, 30 May 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link
I'm pretty happy with DW but I agree with this.
― Why You Wanna Treeship Borad? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 May 2016 15:43 (eight years ago) link
I get one or two African artists a week and I don't even listen to that much international music! Hipster faves like William Onyeabor and Ata Kak but also things like Toumani Diabaté (maybe he is a hipster fave too idk).
― I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Monday, 30 May 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link
My own DW suffers from this, too. I never get any metal. I know that some people who listen to metal a little more exclusively do get metal in their DWs, so it's not that it isn't possible, but there's definitely a skew towards the things most actively playlisted. There is work coming to try to address this more directly, and there are also some other personalized things on the way that use different techniques entirely...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 May 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link
lol just opened this week's DW and the first tune is from Fela (feat. Ginger Baker).
― Why You Wanna Treeship Borad? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 May 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
What I would love from DW is that I could give it some parameters based on what I feel like listening to. Like, currently DW mostly lists very recent stuff, this is probably normal since I mostly use Spotify for checking out stuff that I want to hear, which will generally skew towards newish stuff for the most part.
I would love it if I could tell spotify something like "based on the stuff I listen to, make me a playlist of tracks from the 70s" or "make me a reggae playlist" or "only play instrumentals" or whatever. Basically specific personalized playlists based on your listening habits.
― silverfish, Monday, 30 May 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
or at least a way to cull it -- today turned up one instrumental by Julia Kent, which is phenomenal, but alongside the likes of SOPHIE and Panda Bear and something called "hashtag IRL" by something called "Throwing Shade," which I feel worse having read and typed. it's just incoherent, or at least incoherent in a different way than I am
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 30 May 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
Since I don't get alerts anymore, I'm relying on DW to tell me things like "Sébastien Tellier just released something". Not sure this is the ideal user experience though.
xp hey I got "hashtag IRL" too! Also not listening to it.
― ǂbait (seandalai), Monday, 30 May 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
(and yes, I realize I am very much not the listener habit that this is designed for, even less considering that I often listen to music for review purposes on Spotify. which results in the outlier of being recommended things I have already reviewed. but again, this is too much of an edge case to really do anything about)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 30 May 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
something called "hashtag IRL" by something called "Throwing Shade,
― mario vargis loosa (wins), Monday, 30 May 2016 20:21 (eight years ago) link
i don't know if the newer versions already have this but a follow artist feature that updates you whenever a new single or album comes out would be fantastic
― Mordy, Monday, 30 May 2016 20:44 (eight years ago) link
(sob)
― ǂbait (seandalai), Monday, 30 May 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
Still waiting for the smart playlist feature that auto-updates a playlist built with search terms.
― schwantz, Monday, 30 May 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
today turned up one instrumental by Julia Kent
i was turned onto her a while ago by DW; beautiful stuff
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Monday, 30 May 2016 23:05 (eight years ago) link
https://www.macstories.net/stories/i-made-you-a-mixtape/
― ulysses, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link
oh was at a friends BBQ on sunday and was using the Serato Pyro app to make a beatmatched mix on the fly. It was pretty fun and easy to us.
https://seratopyro.com/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link
just noticed the (free, PC) spotify app doesn't have the alert icon showing you all the recent additions from followed artists. that sucks.
― goole, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link
Discover Weekly has songs I've been thinking about (but not talking or posting about) this week. Spookify!
Q for glenn if he can be bothered "shilling" some more
Do the magic algorithms take note of track skipping? If I skip Morrissey every week will he eventually disappear?
― a goon shaped fule (onimo), Friday, 3 June 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
You can't make Morrissey disappear that easily
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link
does discover weekly ignore plays in the discover weekly playlist?
i'm thinking not, since i really only listen to discover weekly at the moment, and it seems to have got stuck in a positive feedback loop of thinking i like the 25 garbage indie tracks i have to skip every week as much as the 5 songs i let play all the way through.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link
Can't remember where I read it, I think on one of the links I posted way upthread, but I distinctly recall that it does ignore plays in the discover weekly playlist, unless you save the tracks or add them to another playlist or whatever.
I've been using an IFTTT recipe to save all my DW tracks to a playlist so that I can see the history, so unfortunately I think that action does influence future DW lists :(
― Dan I., Friday, 3 June 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
The bell icon is still present in the web player fwiw
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, June 3, 2016 1:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the genesis of VVVVV
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link
just canned premium because i can't justify three music services. it was still giving me the burger menu when i killed it, idk maybe i'm a non-essential customer or something.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:25 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, that seems to have been yanked in the most recent update.
What are we, savages?
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 June 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link
Anybody else have the Slits on DW this week? They're definitely a band that would show up in my playlist, but I'm having a moment of paranoia that Spotify would give them an extra nudge because they're a name in the news in the last few days.
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Monday, 6 June 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link
There's no nudging in DW. I guess it's produced in a facility that also produces editorial products, but it uses different equipment, so it should be pretty safe for the nudge-allergic.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 6 June 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
But people read news, and then go listen to things on Spotify, so it's totally expected that events in the world can end up affecting recommendations that are based on collective listening patterns.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 6 June 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Spotify has been telling me it has lost the internet connection a lot lately. It's fine when I restart it but there has been a lot of restarting. I don't wanna live this way.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 6 June 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link
felt a brief nostalgic impulse to traverse some of my family's inexplicable understanding of 80s tastefulness and found that there are no Flim & the BB's recordings on spotify
― goole, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
Lol
― The Servant of Two Jam Masters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
I had a roommate who was an early adapter to CDs and that was one of the first few he got. He always played it whenever we had a visitor to impress them with the sonics.
― The Servant of Two Jam Masters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link
Early adopter
― The Servant of Two Jam Masters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
Haven't gotten into my DW Playlists the previous few weeks but this one is top shelf.
― Poe, I know all about Ulalume (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link
it's pornographic?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link
There are so many missed opportunities that I just can't imagine would be that difficult to provide. For example, the ability to search for playlists that contain a certain song would be huge. You can approximate this by Googling: site:spotify.com inurl:"playlist" "[artist name]" "[song name]"...but why isn't that available in app?
― Dan I., Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link
It's one of those things that you just sort of assume would be available by default whenever you do a search, until you find that it's not.
All playlist-searching things are complicated by the fact that there are billions of playlists on Spotify. Improvements will come, but when you can't imagine why the one you're wanting would be difficult, sometimes that's the thing you aren't imagining...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link
Ah, I see, thanks. That makes sense.
― Dan I., Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
I definitely didn't antagonize any Spotify co-workers by impatiently demanding obvious-seeming features before fully comprehending this myself. No way.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
My laptop is glitching which means I can't put anything new on my iPod which in turn means that I finally got over myself and tried Spotify for the first time ever yesterday and was jamming out to a pretty cool space jazz playlist and discovering some cool new things and then the app kept telling me that I wasn't connected to the internet except for the thing where I was totally connected to the internet and it hasn't worked since. Oh well. It was fun for about nine minutes.
― There must be some magic clue inside these gentle walls (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link
― Poe, I know all about Ulalume (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
plz keep antagonizing them until they get local files figured out
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link
If I worked a Spotify I would add stars emoji to every email I sent.
― Jeff, Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
just a few months ago the correct (1983) version of "Temple of Love" was on the Sisters of Mercy's Some Girls Wander By Mistake: http://open.spotify.com/album/42HVWb7R8TxLHgVjc2OOIV
now it's been replaced by the 1992 version, which has never been part of this album's official tracklist. what happened? I'm bummed.
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 27 June 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link
Weird, looks like that was a label decision. Or a label action, anyway. Whether it was intentional or not is a different question.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 27 June 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link
found a DIY way to use the Star playlist https://ifttt.com/recipes/311224-save-a-track-in-spotify-and-add-to-playlist
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 1 July 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
you can use the + just like the old star . works great for me, i don't even use Your Library anyways
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 1 July 2016 19:49 (eight years ago) link
That helps a lot, thank you.
― Dan I., Friday, 1 July 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link
Still can't unstar easily though, which was half of the star power!
― Jeff, Friday, 1 July 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link
just click the check mark, it does the same thing
― brimstead, Friday, 1 July 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link
we've covered this, it does not do the same thing
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Friday, 1 July 2016 20:41 (eight years ago) link
Good point Jeff! But I do like to be able to hit one button and know exactly where the song goes
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 1 July 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link
Just today realized there's no YMO on Spotify! :(
― Dan I., Friday, 1 July 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link
The Serato Pyro app (mentioned upthread) does a more than serviceable job at beat-mixing Spotify tracks (and local files held within iTunes). It's not perfect, but it rarely does a duff mix. And it's free.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Pyro seems neat from the video demo, but fuck any app that's iOS only.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:44 (eight years ago) link
How does the algorithm know how much I like "I Walk On Guilded Splinters"? It has furnished me with several versions thus far, even including the slightly less enjoyably spelled "I Walk On Gilded Splinters" by Paul Weller.
― My City Slang Was Gone (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
Should have prefaced that with a "B-b-but" for full rhetorical effect.
― My City Slang Was Gone (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
It seems that desktop notifications are officially dead: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Windows-Web/Removal-of-desktop-notifications/td-p/1343904
Instead you can sign up to receive notifications...by email.
wtf Spotify
― ǂbait (seandalai), Saturday, 9 July 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link
dafuq? EMAIL?!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 9 July 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/the-unsung-heroes-of-the-music-streaming-boom
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
also https://twitter.com/KendraJames_/status/753212999758934019
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
whoops, wrong thread
Glenn, there's a thing I noticed quite a while back but forgot to mention until now -- there are two George Lewises, a New Orleans clarinetist (1900-1968) and a Chicago composer/trombonist (1952-). Their streaming titles are mashed together in Spotify -- is there any way to separate them?
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Sunday, 17 July 2016 02:38 (eight years ago) link
There is a way. I'm not going to fix them myself, because there are a lot of them and because jazz. But I'll pass the message along.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 17 July 2016 04:01 (eight years ago) link
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Sunday, 17 July 2016 12:25 (eight years ago) link
OK, everyone probably already knew about this, but I've just come across Boil the Frog, and am having fun. http://static.echonest.com/BoilTheFrog/?src=Godspeed%20You%20Black%20Emperor&dest=Shonen%20Knife is an example--it tries to create a 'seamless' playlist to get you from one artist to another
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 06:40 (eight years ago) link
Though its attempt to get from Grimes to Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan via a comedy bit from Stephen Fry and Catherine Tate doing a Shakespeare soliloquy suggests there are still a few bugs in the mix.
― 🐸a hairy howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly ill (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 06:43 (eight years ago) link
A few months ago ledge asked why "Never Let Me Down Again" was missing from Depeche Mode's Music for the Masses (in the UK). It took a few tries to get the label to fix this, but it finally worked!
Triumphantly: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Yyx661Ksxl2pmRUuGLzw3
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 July 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link
Awesome. I knew you wouldn't let me down.
― chad valley of the shadow of death (ledge), Friday, 22 July 2016 13:51 (eight years ago) link
I think this might be a Rick roll
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 22 July 2016 13:55 (eight years ago) link
Obviously the alternative was to just tell you to enjoy the silence.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 July 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/28710/20151001/vulfpeck-album-sleepify-spotify-loophole-earn-20000.htm
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 28 July 2016 00:04 (eight years ago) link
Everything counts.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 28 July 2016 01:28 (eight years ago) link
This looks cool: https://news.spotify.com/us/2016/08/05/release-radar-your-personalized-playlist-of-the-newest-releases/
Not sure why Elvis showed up on mine this week, though. :P
― schwantz, Friday, 5 August 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
Man back in the day
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 6 August 2016 00:21 (eight years ago) link
I love the 30 discovery
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 6 August 2016 00:23 (eight years ago) link
I got Elvis in my Release Radar, too. And Tom Odell, which is even more baffling. That said, 7 out 30 were useful discoveries, which isn't too bad. (Ex-Easter Island Head, yay.) Way too many remixes, though: 12 out of 30.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 6 August 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, seems like the release radar is going to be full of remixes (or in one case on mine, an instrumental version of a single), re-releases of old material (mine had a 1989 Rose Royce album show up as a 2016 release), and songs by unrelated artists with the same name. But that might just depend on what types of music you listen to as well.. Also my list only had 22 tracks instead of 30.
On the other hand, I'm really digging this new song by The Preatures that showed up on my radar that I didn't know about.
― MarkoP, Saturday, 6 August 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link
Weird, I was just thinking about The Preatures yesterday. Didn't think to look if there was anything new.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 6 August 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link
It's an improvement over "get alerts by email" but it's still an inexact instrument - what happens if more than 30 artists I've listened to release something?
― ǂbait (seandalai), Saturday, 6 August 2016 17:15 (eight years ago) link
I got an acapella version of a Charly Black single, lol. I love the idea of this but it needs some tweaking.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 August 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
So if I play a song on Spotify that I also have as a local file on my computer, does it stream the song or does it play the local version?
I had some Steve Miller song come up in one of my Weekly Playlists. But it started off with some weird movie audio that a friend had put on a mixtape/mp3-folder I downloaded a few years ago.
I don't think there's some soundtrack where my friend got the track with audio, like how they do that sometimes on movie soundtracks, but maybe he did.
― pplains, Saturday, 6 August 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
glenn, i notice from some of the 2014 ilx lists that songs that have come and gone from the service are dutifully recatalogued within albums as they are put in the stacks. Is that done by algorithm or does somebody handmatch those as needed?
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 7 August 2016 15:16 (eight years ago) link
That happens automatically. We can match the audio across releases, so at least for simple right-changing issues it should work.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 8 August 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link
nice.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 8 August 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link
Hey Glenn - Just wanted to say thanks for your everynoise thing. I haven't been DJing for years (turntables in the basement, etc.), but recently got a copy of DJay for iPad (with Spotify integration), and have been fooling around with it. Your site is like a gigantic DJ record store, and the new additions (Edge and Pulse) are a joy to browse!
― schwantz, Monday, 8 August 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
glenn do u use t-SNE to make the everynoise genre map? it looks familiar
― Dan I., Monday, 8 August 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
No. It's not a dimensionality reduction, it's a scatter-plot. With a lot of fiddly code that nudges things around until they mostly aren't on top of each other.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link
schwantz: cool! Thanks, and you're welcome.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
encountered my first pair of unrelated artists, but it turns out I like both sweeping French country-folk and late-'90s alt-rock that sounds exactly like "You're Not the One."
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:33 (eight years ago) link
Ha. Which pair?
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link
Blanche. (There's at least one other artist by the name I'm ignoring for these purposes.)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Looks like we have stuff by 4 different artists by that name: a couple 90s/2000 albums by a Toronto band, a couple mid-2000s records by the Detroit alt-country band, a Belgian band with an EP and single from a couple years go, and a new one from Italy.
I think I got them disentangled.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link
if we're reporting multiple artists under one name there's two very confusing cybotrons, aussie proggers and detroit techno lads.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 07:08 (eight years ago) link
is this where I mention that I perversely almost don't want this fixed because it tricks people into hearing new music
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link
I was going to complain about my band, Bison, have to share an artist page with a shitty metal band with the same name, but it looks like that's been fixed.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, the other Bison complained about you first.
[JOKE! Just a joke.]
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
Bear up, Bison!
― The Rest Is A Cellarful of Noise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link
I fixed the Cybotrons, too.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link
Not to pile on but there are a few different Bats on the same page.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
Is the "library" feature going to become useful at some point? I added some stuff to it over two years ago when it was introduced and eventually I wasn't able to add anything at all to it. Now it gives me an "epic collection, friend!" message whenever I try to add something new to it, even when I delete a few albums first.
― spastic heritage, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link
it won't be long now before Spotify runs out of tracks on Jim Sullivan's U.F.O. to recommend to me.
Further on the interstellar note, this week it also gave me an intriguing track off Sonny & The Sunsets Antenna to the Afterworld.
And further on the Light In The Attic esoterica tip, I really enjoyed the Donnie and Joe Emerson track it recommended to me last year.
― The Rest Is A Cellarful of Noise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 August 2016 01:14 (eight years ago) link
I have been recommended Jim Sullivan and D and J Emerson too.
Spotify loves to recommend me Chris Spedding for some reason. I really don't know why. (But I don't mind.)
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
haha same here! (Re: spedding)
― brimstead, Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link
I got Chris Spedding too!
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:22 (eight years ago) link
Ha, had to check but it seems like I only ever got Chris Spedding once, "Video Life." Maybe Spotify knew I had seen him a couple of times live. I did get a couple of Nils Lofgren tracks recently. Wondered if it was related to his "Purple Rain" solo.
― The Italo Disco Mystics (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 August 2016 23:58 (eight years ago) link
I have neither gotten Chris Spedding nor a promising ratio of vowels to band names
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 12 August 2016 01:26 (eight years ago) link
Really love the "release radar" playlist - way higher ratio of things I'm interested in than the Discover playlist, likely because it's mostly made up of artists I've made a point to follow, or listen to regularly - not trying to get me into something I don't know, just trying to keep me up with stuff I do know.
I made a point of grabbing everything on the playlist last week, expecting it to change over on Friday... but it didn't. It says it's updated every Friday but as far as I can tell nothing changed.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 21 August 2016 23:06 (eight years ago) link
Know what you mean.
― Deneb on Ice (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 August 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link
Okay, actually maybe I am more into the DW than the RR, which today repeated at least a half dozen artists from last week.
― Put Out More Flag Posts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 August 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Don't think my RR just updates on Friday. It seems to add new tracks as they come along, and then loses some older ones at the end, so the number of tracks stays roughly at 30?
― breastcrawl, Friday, 26 August 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-26/spotify-said-to-retaliate-against-artists-with-apple-exclusives
Spotify has been retaliating against musicians who introduce new material exclusively on rival Apple Music by making their songs harder to find, according to people familiar with the strategy. Artists who have given Apple exclusive access to new music have been told they won’t be able to get their tracks on featured playlists once the songs become available on Spotify, said the people, who declined to be identified discussing the steps.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 August 2016 01:45 (eight years ago) link
Digital exclusives are ridiculous. For an industry who claims to hate piracy, they do plenty to encourage it.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 27 August 2016 02:26 (eight years ago) link
yeah, and it's a bit hard for apple to claim it's pro-consumer when it uses exclusives to bolster its music service. in no way does that benefit the consumer.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 August 2016 04:26 (eight years ago) link
honestly I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 27 August 2016 05:06 (eight years ago) link
yeah, balkanization seemed inevitable.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Saturday, 27 August 2016 14:45 (eight years ago) link
except UMG's finished with exclusives, supposedly?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
spotify denies
hmm
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 August 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link
Anybody else having problems scrolling? Scrollbar disappears, reappears at top of page. PITA for browsing large discographies/search results
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 August 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link
yeah, me too.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 28 August 2016 01:39 (eight years ago) link
yeah having a thing where if i click on something else then go back i can scroll down and it just jumps to the top. really annoying, apparently they are aware...
― Spottie, Sunday, 28 August 2016 03:43 (eight years ago) link
you are garbage
― hunangarage, Sunday, 28 August 2016 05:00 (eight years ago) link
er uok hun?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 August 2016 09:56 (eight years ago) link
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-08-30/spotify-can-t-live-on-that-10-a-month-subscription-feepreparing for a price hike.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 1 September 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link
They may find that an all-you-can eat celestial jukebox is more of a niche service than they'd thought.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 September 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link
Like guess what, I can hear all the hits for free by pushing one button on my radio, already "playlisted" for me. And I can hear anything on demand by typing it into Google.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 September 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link
Personally, I was happy enough to pay $25 a month for me, my wife, and two kids. They cut the price to $15 and that was cool, but I'd rather pay more if artists were getting more (and Spotify would stop losing money). That article seemed to suggest that Spotify should create some lower-tier options, which seems insane to me. I understand that they are competing against companies with ridiculously deep pockets, but Spotify doesn't have another business to absorb losses in streaming music.
― schwantz, Thursday, 1 September 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link
I mean I guess it makes sense if the number of people who switch from free to the lower-tier options outweighs any switching down from $10/month. The actual nature of the tiers needs more work though - the "only this particular genre" thing seems totally fraught to me. I guess if the ads on the free version got much worse you could get people to go for it. I don't really know how the majority of people use Spotify though, because I'm a music nerd.
― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 September 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
i want to quit but i'm locked in. i have all these great stupid playlists i made and stuff.
― brimstead, Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
own your music. own your playlists. don't trust spotify or any other company.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
is there a good method for exporting all playlists en masse to just text files or something? everything I've seen does it one at a time, which is not v appealing for well over 200
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
xp don't know if you're being serious, but like most people i do both
― brimstead, Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
xp you can do stuff like that with the api.. there's probably some third party app that'll do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link
this is probably a good idea re music hoarding in general. i wish i were enlightened enough to act on my common sense but it's obv that 99.9% of the music i have on hard drives i'm never going to listen to again so why do i have it exactly?
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
If you're gonna pay, 10 bucks isn't too expensive, imo. It's the allure of something being free that keeps people from signing up for a plan.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link
IFTTT do a bunch of things that allow you to export playlists which will update as you create more or add to extant ones. I export everything to Google Drive.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
I do wish they'd stop recommending me Doug Hream Blunt. Every bloody Discover Weekky playlist.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 1 September 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link
I think the authors of the article should have suggested a "everything but country music and rap" subscription. Either way, I'm sure it would be completely trivial to implement.
― juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Thursday, 1 September 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link
― Planking Full Stop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 September 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
i don't want to be dramatic but re-recordings are the worst thing in the universe, ban them from spotify and stop them from infiltrating our oldies playlists
― musically, Thursday, 1 September 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
i have been copying my playlists to a notepad file once every six months, seems appropriately careful
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Friday, 2 September 2016 00:34 (eight years ago) link
http://joellehman.com/playlist/
― brimstead, Friday, 2 September 2016 00:57 (eight years ago) link
nice, but it only pulls my first 20 playlists?
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Friday, 2 September 2016 06:37 (eight years ago) link
Same here
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 2 September 2016 09:48 (eight years ago) link
I've had to give up on the Release Radar thing because it wouldn't show up properly in my Playlist folder on my Marantz box (in fact, it would either show up as "By" and be empty or be missing entirely and cause the box to pause for 30sec when accessing Playlists). I'm sure it's a Marantz shortcoming - it's an old bit of hardware now (there's a newer device which supports Spotify Connect for example) and maybe there's something about dynamic updates to Release Radar (as opposed to Discover Weekly, which is fine) which locks it up. I do 90% of my Spotify listening on the Marantz service as AirPlay from my phone can be glitchy and I don't have unlimited data on my mobile plan (so I stick to offline stuff outside of the house).
Doug Hream Blunt - yep, all the time. Good Jan Hammer Group track this week, mind.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 2 September 2016 10:26 (eight years ago) link
Got all excited about Roy Montgomery in my Release Radar but then it turned out to be: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MC_rBBAiC2Y/maxresdefault.jpg
― JoeStork, Friday, 2 September 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Recent Release Radar Repeat Recommendations:The ChillsThe MonkeesThe MolesThe RationalsDinosaur Jr.
― Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link
And just for good measure this Friday they recommended a song called "Chills" by The Moles.
― Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, Release Radar had a new song by Keith Hudson with a picture of buds as the cover. Turned out to be another guy named Keith Hudson who is awful. There aughta be a law!
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 3 September 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link
Actually the first song in mine this week was by a ringer too, a group called Patto that was not the bluesy prog rock band featuring Ollie Halsall and John Halsey.
― Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2016 15:36 (eight years ago) link
"Release Radar" is the first recommender that is working for me. Unsurprisingly, I have literally thousands of 'starred' songs, so spotify has a good sense of which artists I've listened to quite a bit and it also knows what music by those artists I haven't listened to on Spotify. The result is a playlist with music from TI, Young Thug, Carly Rae, Wara from the NBHD, St Paul and the Broken Bones, Alkaline, Bibio, Zomby, De La, Sevyn Streeter, Z-Ro, Against Me, Dolly Parton and Dawn. Can't argue with this. Only thing I take issue with is that I can't remove tracks so I gotta make a separate list to edit.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Saturday, 3 September 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link
Got all excited about Roy Montgomery in my Release Radar but then it turned out to be: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MC_rBBAiC2Y/maxresdefault.jpg🔗
― Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:31 (eight years ago) link
What is happening here? Spotify is advertising Spotify Film, which doesn't exist? https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/50yv45/i_found_an_advertisement_on_the_app_promoting/
― mick signals, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 00:12 (eight years ago) link
Note: To send something direct to someone’s Spotify inbox on mobile, you must each have your accounts connected to, and be friends on, Facebook. Here’s how.
wtf, facebook is eating everything in its path. i'm sure i remember sending playlists to friends before, maybe it was on desktop. either way it's garbage. I presume spotify want everyone connected to facebook so everyone else on facebook can see how cool and popular spotify is.
― dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Thursday, 22 September 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link
sharing with non-Facebook friends in Spotify has always been at least partially broken
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
Can't you just copy the link and send it by whatever non Facebook means you choose?
― get outta the way! here comes (onimo), Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
you can (and i do) but it would be nice to have it all in-app
speaking of this sort of thing, apple music doesn't allow any means i'm aware of to share a song AT ALL via email, twitter or within apple music, which in 2016 is a little o_O
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
Fucking facebook. I had to create an account to even get spotify in the first place. Would love to decouple them now that's no longer required, but suspect it's impossible.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 23 September 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link
brother and I text playlists to each other and that works well. (He is not on facebook).
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 September 2016 02:49 (eight years ago) link
I never read spotify mail, so this actually works better.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 September 2016 02:50 (eight years ago) link
I've been really liking the Release Radar list lately, it does a good job of letting me know when artists I like have new stuff available
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 25 September 2016 03:11 (eight years ago) link
Anyone else spotted the Daily Mix? Mine's just chucked Stroke it Noel and Crosby & Nash's Southbound Train at me. Auspicious beginnings...
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
yeah, I've liked this feature so far. It basically gives a bunch of playlists, each one focused on one of my favorite genres and associated artists plus some new stuff. There are a couple lists that I'd love to swap out for something a little different, but in general it's a nice, easy way to jump into a particular vibe that I enjoy without going to far into a bunch of stuff that I'm unfamiliar with.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
Just played around with this: https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/29/pacemaker-editable-mixtapes-dj/
Very cool, but the UI is confusing to me so far (as with many Apple Design Award-winners!).
― schwantz, Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
in general, it seems like spotify is doing a better job of lining up lists that are well targeted at the music I actually want to hear. I think a big part of that for me is focusing on familiar music from my own playlists and then sprinkling in a few new things here and there.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
haven't gotten it yet but am skeptical of "like shuffling your winamp, with a few random tracks thrown in"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 29 September 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, it depends what you want out of it. I don't enjoy lists of all new to me stuff, I still want to hear all my favorites.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 30 September 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link
Wait is the Daily Mix a new algorithm? I searched and find a few playlists with that name or similar compiled by individuals.
― Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 September 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link
I only see it on my android app, not on the desktop app so far. I do Home, then Your Library, and it appears right at the top of the screen above Playlists.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 30 September 2016 00:18 (eight years ago) link
Ah, I just updated iPhone app and see. I see five such Daily Mixes, numbered 1 to 5, a rock one with Big Star, The Velvets, The Modern Lovers, The Band, a funk/R&B one, a jazz one, and two others I don't know the theme of, one featuring Jane Weaver's "The Silver Globe" and one with all tracks and artists completely unfamiliar to me.
― Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 September 2016 00:39 (eight years ago) link
Ah, so today, all the playlists have pretty much exactly the same artists as far as I can tell but different tunes.
― Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 September 2016 10:54 (eight years ago) link
nobody feels like talkin about the mooted SoundCloud takeover?
something like this feels sort of inevitable - despite the vast amounts of money poured into human and algorithmic playlist-making, Spotify is at heart a reseller. A box store. Like Netflix. Where the playlist discovery mechanisms are Spotify's equivalents of Netflix originals. But both services are basically resellers. SoundCloud is the opposite, it's the YouTube of audio. if Spotify can sort out the rights issues (SoundCloud basically gave up on this several years ago afaict) it's not hard to imagine Spotify suddenly becoming one of the biggest indie "labels" overnight.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 September 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
But if it's not that, then I'm not sure that an extra layer of artist connectivity schmear / demo areas is going to set them apart? Apple Connect has been abysmal. Maybe I'm not seeing what they're seeing tho
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 September 2016 11:14 (eight years ago) link
This was the most sensible thing I read about it: http://www.recode.net/2016/9/28/13101740/spotify-sound-cloud-deal-makes-sense
― minimal hat spiritualism (seandalai), Friday, 30 September 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link
it all seems to boil down to "spotify buys a bunch of MAUs" which doesn't seem that "strategic" imo
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 September 2016 12:28 (eight years ago) link
Pop stat nerd question for Glenn: what are the artist's 'top five' songs based on? I assumed it was number of plays, but over in songs that weren't a bands biggest hit, but have gone on to be their legacy song and biggest iTunes seller , we're talking about the Pretenders... the top five seem to be ranked in order of plays, with the #5 song ("Holy Commotion") reports around 44,000 plays, but if you expand it out to the top 10, or scroll down to the albums and start mousing over stats, it becomes apparent there are many with more views, like "2000 Miles" with 6,220,016, or "middle of the Road" with 1,581,639.
So just out of curiosity - - - is the 'top five' algorithm designed to bake in some kind of variety, pushing lesser-heard songs to the fore? Recently-trending stuff? Stuff Spotify is delivering in Discover Weekly or other playlists? Countless ILM stat-nerd threads could depend on this information!
― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 October 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
it's absurd for spotify to recommend me things i've already listened to
― brimstead, Monday, 3 October 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link
Maybe you didn't listen the right way
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
The "Popular" songs show raw play-counts in the UI, but are actually ranked based on an internal score that measures, roughly, "current" popularity...
Brimstead: where are you getting recs for things you've already played?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 October 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
Glenn, thanks! That makes sense.
― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 October 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link
I moved to another country for a year and just tried to start a family account but it's not working. My geo-sniffed country and the credit card country aren't the same, and it's blocking my family members from signing up. I was so ready to give Spotify another £5 a month!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:21 (eight years ago) link
Tracer, SpotifyCares can fix that for you...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 00:34 (eight years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, October 3, 2016 11:54 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
discover tab in browse
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link
many i haven't listened to in full, maybe its trying to tell me to be more open to new things
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:10 (eight years ago) link
Looking at my Discover page at the moment, I'm not sure it's even trying to filter out things you've already heard. Certainly I have a few things I've played in full, although maybe not recently. We do more filtering in Discover Weekly and Release Radar (and even more, but in the opposite direction, in Daily Mix).
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:15 (eight years ago) link
is it possible that you're mistaking having played or heard it somewhere else for having played it *in spotify*? about 25% of my discover is things I've already heard, which is infuriating until reason takes over and I realize that barring a breadth of data-aggregation that -- well, probably does go on, but not to this end -- there's really no way for it to know everything I've ever heard, from any souce
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
I would just like to thank Discover Weekly for leading me to this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Gw4ar2cc0
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 17:49 (eight years ago) link
xp, yeah i thought about that. but there's albums like Tom Verlaine's "dreamtime" and the first richard lloyd album of which i'm absolutely certain i've 'previewed' on spotify. i might have 86'd em before listening to a single full track, though (don't kill me, television fanatics)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:35 (eight years ago) link
wow at that acid brasss album!
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:13 (eight years ago) link
How can I navigate to the Daily Mix playlists from the Sonos app? Can't wait for direct Sonos integration on the Spotify app.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link
That exists already
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link
Speaker should be under "devices available" in the usual spotify connect way
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:16 (eight years ago) link
Really? They announced it but I didn't think it went live yet. I'm on the latest iOS version and I can't find the option for Sonos.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:17 (eight years ago) link
hmmmm. I am using a samsung phone, and I've updated a few times.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link
> wow at that acid brasss album!
Same band did a selection of Manchester anthems for Jeremy Seller's Manchester carnival a few years ago.
― koogs, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 06:10 (eight years ago) link
SpotifyCares fixed it. Absolutely fantastic service, they must spend a fortune on it
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 06:53 (eight years ago) link
there was a second Acid Brass album in 2011 (the first was 2007) -I saw them play a Warp night at the Tate Modern in 2013, it was great
― Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 07:26 (eight years ago) link
just checking that anyone who digs the acid brass album also knows acoustek and alarm will sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbaiUNVAzAchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2BnY-3iFSo
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:46 (eight years ago) link
Opened up my Spotify app on my iPhone this morning and now see that I have 19 notifications next to the "your library" button... only I don't know what the 19 notifications are related to and there is no indication of how to see what they're about or acknowledge that I've seen them...
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Just found out I've got a free Deezer subscription with my ISP, it's pretty decent really.
Only downside seems to be that as I live in (French speaking) Switzerland, they still keep feeding me French charts and curated playlists on the landing page, even though I've forced the language to English and the only French artist I've played or 'liked' so far is Éliane Radigue. Hope it learns quickly.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link
Does anyone know if there is a way to get to the Daily Mixes from the desktop app? Is it a mobile only thing like Running or Party?
― fffv, Monday, 10 October 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link
Just came here to ask the same thing. I need the Daily Mix on Desktop and available through Sonos.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 10 October 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
I'm a little annoyed that I'm just stuck with the same 6 mixes each day. I thought maybe it would go to other genres sometimes.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 10 October 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Can't access daily mixes through Alexa either...
― schwantz, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:14 (eight years ago) link
Full desktop access is in the works, but for now if you start a Daily Mix on your phone, you can then switch devices over to your desktop and keep listening to it.
If you want other genres, there are a few at everynoise.com...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 10 October 2016 22:41 (eight years ago) link
A few!
― schwantz, Monday, 10 October 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link
hey glenn: if you click on Birmingham, Alabama on the musical map page it shows you the playlist "The Sound of Birmingham Michigan US"
― esempiu (crüt), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 03:58 (eight years ago) link
Oh, thanks! (I don't do that page myself, but I'll get it fixed...)
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link
"mccartney ii is sick" –my Discover Weekly playlist, once a month
― esempiu (crüt), Thursday, 13 October 2016 14:35 (eight years ago) link
mine is like "we know you love farewell transmission by songs: ohia so here it is yet again"
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 14 October 2016 12:39 (eight years ago) link
not a complaint really
Spotify is offline for me, can't even log into the website...accordimg to twitter lots of people are having the exact same problem :(
― musically, Friday, 14 October 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
I was having the offline problem too. Logged out and restarted a few times, logged out on my phone as well as on my laptop... but it seems to be working now.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 14 October 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link
Hey, I have joined spotify and I am making playlists for you all to enjoy. I have fantastic musical taste so I urge you all to listen and follow me.
You can listen to my first playlist here
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link
Your username does not insoire confidence
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 October 2016 02:09 (eight years ago) link
Oh, but his spotify username does.
Cool list, kornrulez.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 October 2016 02:41 (eight years ago) link
Spotify shuffle doesn't "really" shuffle, does it? Just uses a pre-set sequencing of songs in a playlist. Would be useful if it did "real" random shuffling, that way I could use it to explore big playlists.
― niels, Friday, 21 October 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link
Here's an old post about it: https://labs.spotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-songs/
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 21 October 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
well I'll be darned - must've been a misperception on my part!
― niels, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
Glenn, long shot but are the ppl who wrote the interfacing and voice command "skill" for Spotify and Amazon Echo & Echo Dot amenable to any suggestions?
― MaresNest, Saturday, 22 October 2016 13:15 (eight years ago) link
I can definitely pass along any ideas you have to the right people. Email 'em to me: glennm at spotify...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 22 October 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
Cool to see the new playlist option to add an image and description. And I only just noticed you can now change your profile pic directly in app. Curiously didn't see these new features announced anywhere.
― nashwan, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:49 (eight years ago) link
Here's an old post about it: https://labs.spotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-songs/― glenn mcdonald, Friday, October 21, 2016 6:52 PM (two days ago)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, October 21, 2016 6:52 PM (two days ago)
― Madame Bob George (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link
― MaresNest, Sunday, 23 October 2016 23:43 (eight years ago) link
Is there some kind of fashion tracking algorithm in the discovery playlist or am i just getting freaked out by the recency illusion? At least half a dozen times now I've had some obscure track I've never heard of before come up in my playlist, and then seen it referenced elsewhere. A little while ago it was Baby by Donnie and Joe Emerson, which someone posted on ilx the same day as it appeared in my playlist; a couple of times I've had Do Your Thing by Moondog but this week it gave me High on a Rocky Ledge instead, and lo there is mark s tweeting about it showing up in his playlist.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 12:46 (eight years ago) link
I always assume that this is due to1) ilxors listening to each others playlists cause their algorithms to sync up, i.e. if ilxor A and B both follow ilxor C they are more likely to get a track from a playlist by C'.2) The algorithm for some reason uses/promotes certain artists to fill a particular niche and at a given time one particular track from said artist will be at the um, top of the algorithm chart.
― Special Ore-ida Blues (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 13:35 (eight years ago) link
But perhaps this is too simplistic a formulation.
― Special Ore-ida Blues (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link
Why is it Nick Lowe comes up every time there's a high tide?
― pplains, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 14:14 (eight years ago) link
Would it kill them to have a little authority control?
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link
Btw, I got a Donnie and Joe Emerson track a while back, albeit a different one. But then the algo latched onto their Light In The Attic labelmate Jim Sullivan, and is slowly recommending every track on U.F.O
― Special Ore-ida Blues (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link
.
Is "Create Similar Playlist" a new feature? Cause I just noticed it today.
― MarkoP, Monday, 31 October 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
That's a recent addition, yes.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 October 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link
Glenn: I dunno if this has been mentioned already but some weeks it feels like the Spotify Weekly playlist is shoring up tracks that I've received about 2 or 3 times already (generally ones I was never keen on or I've never put into my own "starred" favourites playlist). Is the algorithm resetting itself every so often?
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Monday, 31 October 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
i wish spotify had voice control - has anyone tried using SoundHound to add it 3rd party?
― Mordy, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
I've seen a couple other reports of Discover Weekly repeating itself. I know the DW team is investigating...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
God, mine repeats itself constantly, and not just "Temporary Secretary." James Chance and Allen Toussaint this week...
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Monday, 31 October 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link
Unlike Daily Mix, which has the interesting property that if you visit Daily Mix N but don't play anything, the next time you click on it the queue will start in a different place.
― From a Vanity 6 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
plz some1 help me figure out how i can give spotify voice commands
― Mordy, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:31 (eight years ago) link
PLAY FREEBIRD!
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, October 31, 2016 1:31 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this really needs to happen and I'm wondering if you want it for the same reason I do, i.e. changing the kids music while driving
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
exactly that reason
― Mordy, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link
I've seen many of the same tracks recur in Discover Weekly. Today Odetta's cover of "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" showed up for the second or third time. Another that has come up several times is Ted Hawkins' "Sorry You're Sick." I don't mind these repetitions, but I do find them interesting because I haven't listened to either song or artist outside via Discover Weekly.
― Brad C., Monday, 31 October 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link
via
Spotify works with voice when you have an Amazon Echo ;)
― schwantz, Monday, 31 October 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
I've been thinking of renaming my discover playlist "stop trying to make [x] happen". Plenty of repeats, in other words.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
I've been thinking of renaming my discover playlist "stop trying to make (x) happen". Plenty of repeats, in other words.
http://i.imgur.com/sFTaa45.gif
― pplains, Monday, 31 October 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
Halloween was two days ago, why tf isn't there a "Holiday" music section when you browse genres??? I have a pretty formidable xmas playlist but i want MORE dammit
― musically, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link
I just reactivated http://everynoise.com/xmas.html.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:45 (eight years ago) link
excellent!
― musically, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
okay here's the question: every time i update a playlist on spotify either by rearranging the tracks or adding new music, it does NOT update the tracks in my mobile (ipad/iphone) playlists... it adds the song to the bottom of the playlist. The only workaround for me is to create a temp playlist, dump the reorganized music there, erase the prior playlist's contents and update with the contents of the temp playlist. That works but it's a consistent hassle. Any easy way to fix this that I'm missing? Or is this something that needs to be programmed?Am i the only one in the world who cares?
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
Hmm. My playlists update fine on all clients, and I'm not aware of any bug like that. Are you sure you don't have the playlist set to be sorted some alternate way on either the desktop or mobile?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
hm. well, i'm organizing it alphabetically by artist... is that something you can do within the mobile playlist? That's where i'm having the problem... although I just discovered the manual edit option which is helpful! but doesn't quite fix the problem naturally.
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
Ah, yeah, that's why. In the mobile version, drag the playlist downwards to reveal the filter box, tap the little three-line icon to the right of it, and pick Sort By: Artist.
When you add tracks to a playlist sorted this way, they are inserted last in the "natural" order, which explains what you were seeing.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
OMG, had _no_ idea that option existed. Thanks much, huge help.and not to bite the hand that feeds or anything but that is really really not intuitive!
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
i wasn't even aware that "filter" option was there; would've assumed those functions would be under the ellipses menu
Ha, I found the filter a little while back, figured everyone else already knew about it and I was late to the party otherwise I would have mentioned it here.
― Punky's Reggae Dilemma (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
i daresay i count as a "heavy user" if anyone does and i couldn't find the dang thing!
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link
UI design is not my role at Spotify...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
new desktop update looks nice. not sure when it rolled out but mine updated last week or so. got rid of that problem where scrolling would jump to the top of the playlist after switching between playlists or switching to an artists page and coming back.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link
On a similar note I wish I could move playlists into folders, or sort them within folders, on my phone or tablet. I can organize things on my computer but not on my mobile devices.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 3 November 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link
i must say that i kinda dig the Track_ed. monthly mailer as I'm a sucker for meaningless stats.
567 Unique Tracks This Month321 Different Artists This MonthThe Artists You Played the Most This Month:Daby TouréDaniel BachmanBulgarian State Television Female ChoirLizzoDasha Rush
The Artists You Played the Most This Month:Daby TouréDaniel BachmanBulgarian State Television Female ChoirLizzoDasha Rush
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
How do you get that?
― MarkoP, Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link
so here's an ignorant question: how are playlists SUPPOSED to work across devices?(yeah, I googled, but it's weirdly hard to find precise info)
I have ipod (super old version of app), iphone (old version of app), and desktop (up to date).
if I delete a playlist on one device, should it vanish on them all?if i update on one device, should it update on all?or should I be using desktop only for all changes?
― Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
i add and remove on iphone and ipad (ancient devices, don't know about app version), hardly ever use the desktop, it all syncs fine for me.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
adding or removing tracks/playlists will be reflected across all devices
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
ulysses, I just got that as well, hadn't seen it before.
My stats were:
1066 unique tracks438 different artists
Most played:
Weyes BloodSimone DinnersteinMr. OizoBlood OrangeAutechre
It doesn't indicate what portion of these tracks I was actually awake for and how many I snoozed through
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
is there any way to see a count of how many songs i have saved in my library? ive been worried for a while that i'm approaching the 10k limit but would be nice to know for sure
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
I've made another fantastic playlist. Please do yourself a favor and listen to it. My musical taste is so good it will bring happiness and joy to your ears.
The link is here.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
Okay, I was lukewarm on the previous one, but this one looks sweet!
― Plastico-Tico no Fubá (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
thanks guys--I resorted to deleting and re-adding the app and it's fixed the problem on the ipod...
― Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Thursday, 3 November 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
xp to Marko, spotify sends it out to "select clientele" which i guess means POWER USERS WUT WUT
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link
Another useless stat-hound asks: what's the track_ed monthly mailer thing?
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:43 (eight years ago) link
as noted above, it's just advertorial eblast experimentation by the look of ithttp://i.imgur.com/nd1hRcf.png
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link
Ah, Ok - gotcha, cheers. I'm a premium user! I want one.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
It's a smart bonus. I want more!
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 3 November 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
Anyone know how you can see who is following a playlist of yours?
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Thursday, 3 November 2016 23:06 (eight years ago) link
Sadly, you can't.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 4 November 2016 01:06 (eight years ago) link
You used to be able to... why'd that change?
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Saturday, 5 November 2016 04:16 (eight years ago) link
hey glenn, curious question - do you happen to know if the invention of the Spotify Connect chipset was initially sort of like an accidental byproduct of technological development necessary to restraint user playback on multiple devices w/ same account? (account sharing)
― niels, Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:39 (eight years ago) link
A couple of weeks ago I had single and album versions of Chris Bell's I Am The Cosmos in my Discover Weekly, just three songs apart. My DW has always leant pretty heavily on This Mortal Coil and their source material, but this was next level.
― Michael Jones, Saturday, 5 November 2016 11:45 (eight years ago) link
No, Connect is not related to preventing one account from being used on multiple devices at once.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 6 November 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link
Okay, cool. It's a nice feature.
― niels, Sunday, 6 November 2016 08:25 (eight years ago) link
Taking a while to get used to the repositioning of controls in the new desktop UI. Feel like that all takes up far too much space now.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
agreed; much preferred the cd button setup.
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 14:29 (eight years ago) link
umm 'collapse folder' triangle on the right now? is there any other UI on earth that does that? wth
― brimstead, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link
Spotify is writing massive amounts of junk data to storage drives
For almost five months—possibly longer—the Spotify music streaming app has been assaulting users' storage devices with enough data to potentially take years off their expected lifespans. Reports of tens or in some cases hundreds of gigabytes being written in an hour aren't uncommon, and occasionally the recorded amounts are measured in terabytes. The overload happens even when Spotify is idle and isn't storing any songs locally.The behavior poses an unnecessary burden on users' storage devices, particularly solid state drives, which come with a finite amount of write capacity. Continuously writing hundreds of gigabytes of needless data to a drive every day for months or years on end has the potential to cause an SSD to die years earlier than it otherwise would. And yet, Spotify apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux have engaged in this data assault since at least the middle of June, when multiple users reported the problem in the company's official support forum."This is a *major* bug that currently affects thousands of users," Spotify user Paul Miller told Ars. "If for example, Castrol Oil lowered your engine's life expectancy by five to 10 years, I imagine most users would want to know, and that fact *should* be reported on."Three Ars reporters who ran Spotify on Macs and PCs had no trouble reproducing the problem reported not only in the above-mentioned Spotify forum but also on Reddit, Hacker News, and elsewhere. Typically, the app wrote from 5 to 10 GB of data in less than an hour on Ars reporters' machines, even when the app was idle. Leaving Spotify running for periods longer than a day resulted in amounts as high as 700 GB.
The behavior poses an unnecessary burden on users' storage devices, particularly solid state drives, which come with a finite amount of write capacity. Continuously writing hundreds of gigabytes of needless data to a drive every day for months or years on end has the potential to cause an SSD to die years earlier than it otherwise would. And yet, Spotify apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux have engaged in this data assault since at least the middle of June, when multiple users reported the problem in the company's official support forum.
"This is a *major* bug that currently affects thousands of users," Spotify user Paul Miller told Ars. "If for example, Castrol Oil lowered your engine's life expectancy by five to 10 years, I imagine most users would want to know, and that fact *should* be reported on."
Three Ars reporters who ran Spotify on Macs and PCs had no trouble reproducing the problem reported not only in the above-mentioned Spotify forum but also on Reddit, Hacker News, and elsewhere. Typically, the app wrote from 5 to 10 GB of data in less than an hour on Ars reporters' machines, even when the app was idle. Leaving Spotify running for periods longer than a day resulted in amounts as high as 700 GB.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 11 November 2016 07:27 (eight years ago) link
!!! I wonder if that's why my tablet has a mysteriously low amount of free space for no seeming reason, even as Spotify has been running like a dead snail.
― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Friday, 11 November 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link
yeah, spotify on my phone tends to be very slow starting up and is constantly trying load and the re-load files for some reason. I haven't noticed it taking up an unusual amount of space, but then I added a 200 GB memory card to my phone specifically to manage my spotify files.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 11 November 2016 14:21 (eight years ago) link
I just checked and spotify has written about 800 GB of data since I last booted it up last week, so not as bad as some people but still very bad. This is a very serious issue and probably cost at least some people an SSD.
― silverfish, Friday, 11 November 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link
This bug doesn't cause Spotify to take up extra space, it just causes it to rewrite to the same space constantly, which can cause premature hard drive failure.
As far as I can tell from what's out there this only affects the PC, mac and linux clients. iOS and android apps should be ok.
― silverfish, Friday, 11 November 2016 15:16 (eight years ago) link
What the fuck. How do you check this on mac?
― yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Friday, 11 November 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
according to someone on the ars technica forum there is a way to work around this:
If you look at API calls in Process Explorer (or similar), it's pretty easy to see that a bug is causing the SQLite DB to be repeatedly compacted. (VACUUM'd, see https://sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html).Honestly, I think the damage of this quantity of writes to a modern SSD is a bit overblown, but it's certainly a drag on system resources and is concerning if many apps did this for long periods of time.If you're really concerned, you work around this by causing the VACUUM statement to fail.On windows, you'd open libcef.dll in a hex editor and change each occurrence of "VACUUM;" to "abcdef;"On mac, you can do this in the terminal:perl -pi -e 's/VACUUM;/abcdef;/g' /Applications/Spotify.app/Contents/MacOS/SpotifyHope this helps.
Honestly, I think the damage of this quantity of writes to a modern SSD is a bit overblown, but it's certainly a drag on system resources and is concerning if many apps did this for long periods of time.
If you're really concerned, you work around this by causing the VACUUM statement to fail.
On windows, you'd open libcef.dll in a hex editor and change each occurrence of "VACUUM;" to "abcdef;"
On mac, you can do this in the terminal:perl -pi -e 's/VACUUM;/abcdef;/g' /Applications/Spotify.app/Contents/MacOS/Spotify
Hope this helps.
― silverfish, Friday, 11 November 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link
silverfish, I can't speak to the specific bug, but it certainly seems like spotify is constantly trying to write to my SD card on my android phone. It keeps showing that it wants to load between 500 and 1000 files.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 11 November 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link
New version fixes this tho.
― Siegbran, Friday, 11 November 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link
My tablet copy of Spotify was taking up 240 MB which I do think seems a bit high for something that as far as I know really shouldn't be storing music of any kind. I mean maybe a million tiny icon-sized album art images add up but....
― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 12 November 2016 07:15 (eight years ago) link
Hey my newest Top 40 playlist is up. Please listen because it is fantastic. It's my utopian alternate universe Top 40. This one contains Mott the Hoople, Elmore James Her Royal Harness and more. Listen, like, follow, tell all your friends and bask in the glory of these wonderful songs.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 14 November 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link
Thanks kornrulez - better thread for those might be: My Spotify playlists, let me show you them
― schwantz, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:19 (eight years ago) link
What's up with: A special thank you from _____
― K-tel Leid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
The one from The Band is crepey.
― K-tel Leid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:17 (eight years ago) link
I got one from A Tribe Called Quest, appears to be about selling merch
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:29 (eight years ago) link
That's the one I got first.
― K-tel Leid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:39 (eight years ago) link
it's possible that my work computer is trash and is causing this problem but for the past few weeks as i'm listening to an album after about 4-5 tracks it'll just start over again
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
Glenn -
If I use Spotify through another app (for example, DJay Pro), do you know if those track plays get loaded into the DW algorithms?
― schwantz, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link
They should, yes.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
― schwantz, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link
Interesting to see that Spotify (and Apple) will be supporting distribution/monetisation of uploaded mixes from non-pros (as on Mixcloud) as well as pros via Mixbank. Anyone know more about this?
― nashwan, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link
"Premium for $0.99. It’s our way of saying thanks for making 2016 so awesome."
thanks spotify
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:18 (eight years ago) link
(not my advertisement, I already have premium anyway, but of all the adjectives to describe 2016....)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:22 (eight years ago) link
I have conveyed this feedback to the appropriate people.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:29 (eight years ago) link
Thank you, Spotify, for making 2016 great again.
― pplains, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:38 (eight years ago) link
Actually, I would've gone completely off the deep end had it not been for Spotify drowning out my co-workers' continuing coverage of Election '16.
― pplains, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:40 (eight years ago) link
I just noticed that the album that Viet Cong put out last year before changing their name is now listed as being an album called "Viet Cong" by Preoccupations (the new band name). I kind of understand not wanting to make it look like a totally new band but this also seems like a confusing and obfuscatory thing to do.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:40 (eight years ago) link
spotify seems to be struggling with differentiating between local files on my PC and songs from the spotify library. This is causing it to drastically limit how many files I can load to my phone because it uses spotify library files instead of the files that I own. Not sure how to get around this.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link
that was fast http://creativity-online.com/work/spotify-thanks-2016/50063
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 1 December 2016 03:39 (eight years ago) link
(technically it wasn't "fast" at all given the datestamp, but)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 1 December 2016 03:40 (eight years ago) link
I may have missed the announcement but apparently Neil Young's catalog has returned.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 1 December 2016 04:45 (eight years ago) link
yes, quite impressive - singles from forthcoming album released there too
― niels, Thursday, 1 December 2016 12:56 (eight years ago) link
This is happening to me too. Also, it often doesn't seem to be able to correctly identify which track I'm listening to. Currently listening to the Tribe Called Quest album, on track 7, but it's indicating I am listening to track 2. Nope. Bugs all over the place in this latest version.
― Position Position, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
Sonos just added a feature to stream spotify from the spotify app instead of the sonos app with its terrible spotify interface (no nested playlists, the 100s of playlists I have are all in one long list and sorted strangely). It's what I thought sonos and spotify would do before I bought my speaker, glad I didn't buy it long before they debuted this feature!
― musically, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link
I haven't been able to get the Sonos integration to work from Spotify Desktop. when I click on a device, it only occasionally connects. when it does connect, it plays for a few seconds and then stops and reverts back to my laptop. so the idea is nice, but the implementation is currently lacking.
from my phone it seems to be more reliable, but less so than controlling through the Sonos app.
― fffv, Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link
me either
when's the spotify personal year in review rolling out this year
― ||||||||, Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link
Soon. Like, maybe now?
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 9 December 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
link?
― ||||||||, Friday, 9 December 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link
I feel like I've asked this before but...why doesn't spotify provide users with their stats all the time, a la last.fm?
― musically, Friday, 9 December 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
You should see a "2016 Wrapped" section in Home/Browse now, or soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 9 December 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
I see the "Your Top Song 2016" list. Is that it for personal things this year?
― MarkoP, Friday, 9 December 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
In general, there doesn't tend to be a very satisfying way to answer questions of the form "Why doesn't (company) (do this thing you want)...?". Usually it's just that there are lots of things to do, and the others are more urgent or seem to offer better return or require less work or entail less complexity. Personally, I love stats.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 9 December 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link
I figure w apple music and tidal and co. trying to capture market share, each service would try to differentiate itself as much as possible - providing listening stats would be an easy one that people would be into. spotify is the best so far in that it ties into last.fm, but the integration can be tricky and when I signed into last.fm via spotify on multiple devices,spotify lost its mind and I had to go back and forth w customer support for ages.
― musically, Friday, 9 December 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link
thanks glenn. have the 'your top songs of 2016' pl; was hoping for more of the data visualisation stuff spotify has done in past years. are the songs in the pl in order of plays?
― ||||||||, Saturday, 10 December 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
The songs are in ranked order, yes. It's not literally by play-count, because we weight different kinds of plays slightly differently, but it's close.
As for other things, watch your email...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Glenn, does offline plays count? I swear I've played Vybz Kartel «Fever» more than anything this year but it's nowhere to be found in my top 100.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link
Offline plays count, yes. Unless they're local files that for some reason we couldn't match to our catalog.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:25 (eight years ago) link
That's... extremely weird.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:29 (eight years ago) link
What's you Spotify username? I may or may not be able to figure anything out about this, but I don't mind looking...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:36 (eight years ago) link
I just followed you on spotify. Let me know if you can't see me.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:39 (eight years ago) link
I do realize that I've probably played my favorite songs in Serato more than I've played them in Spotify, but for that song not to have made the top 100 while the Kendrick Lamar album I listened to while reviewing it in... January? February? but never since is up in the top ten seems exceedingly strange.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:43 (eight years ago) link
Seems like further down the list are some examples of "the track after the track I really like" that got played halfway by accident and maybe not all always the way through.
― I Walk the Ondioline (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:45 (eight years ago) link
Er, it's reasonable to think that that would work, but no, I can't tell which one is you. You can email me. glennm at spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:47 (eight years ago) link
For most purposes, though, we only consider it a "skip" if you play less than :30 of a song.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:48 (eight years ago) link
Ah, thanks.
― I Walk the Ondioline (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 December 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link
If a track's less than 30 seconds long does it get recorded as a play?
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 12 December 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link
Most recommendation-related stuff just ignores <30s tracks completely...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 12 December 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link
android app has been so buggy for me as of late. never had a problem before.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 12 December 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
lol that "Your Top Song 2016" list for me is nuts. I'm not sure if there's a single song I actually listened to on there. Maybe someone who's a big fan of RHCP and Linkin Park has been using my account.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link
send me your Spotify username (email to glennm at spotify) and I'll take a look...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
(I mean, this isn't a list of songs we THINK you'd like, it's a list of songs your account has actually played. Any chance you use multiple accounts, or switched accounts during the year?)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
I do like "Airport Bar" by Martin Courtney but I'm 100% certain it isnt in my Top 3 of most listened tracks this year. Not even Top 10
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
Did your phone make a pants call to Spotify whilst that song was on repeat?
― I Walk the Ondioline (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
Maybe. Its either that or I feel asleep drunk while it played on repeat
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link
The song-ordering isn't simply by play-count, we try to weight different kinds of plays differently. But mostly it ends up about the same.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
can you elaborate on what those "different kinds" are? just curious.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
Mainly we try to give more weight to songs you actively choose over ones that get programmed for you in radio and things like that.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
There are a ton of songs on this "Wrapped" list I only played once, and lots of songs I listened to more than once which aren't here. But yeah, I listen to a lot of albums and other people's playlists on Spotify, and the one-plays on the Wrapped list are things I remember hearing on purpose: i.e. searching for artist name, scrolling to the song, playing that particular song.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link
are songs that are a part of someone else's playlist weighted less? the only way i listen to spotify outside of podcasts is by adding songs to my own library or downloading other peoples' playlists, and i generally listen offline. the one song that i've played as much as any (lucy by destra) is all the way down at #26, but i did listen to it a lot off of the ilx 2015 tracks playlist. also i tend to listen to it like 12 times in a row (lol), probably pressing the back button before the song is finished, maybe those don't count?
― qualx, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 02:57 (eight years ago) link
it does look like it really values songs that you add to your library. there's a bunch of songs from albums i listened to once over songs i listened to a million times off of playlists
i have no idea how baby hold on by eddie money is #10 when i listened to it once, realized i hated it and then only listened to the first few seconds accidentally forevermore. are you shaming me for adding baby hold on by eddie money to my personal library, glenn? i was already ashamed, i only kept it there to keep myself humble
― qualx, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 03:03 (eight years ago) link
I have yet to get this but an ad really wants me to play the chainsmokers
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 03:14 (eight years ago) link
oh hey a new version of my 2016 list popped up this morning with stuff I've listened to on it. cool
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 14:21 (eight years ago) link
Oh, if you got your 2016 list way early, you may have been part of an early test-group, and may actually have gotten a test version that really did have songs you had barely played. So yeah, worth checking yours again if it seemed crazy at first.
On the subject of the Chainsmokers, I happened to collect up this playlist of "Closer" covers yesterday: https://open.spotify.com/user/glennpmcdonald/playlist/5vW8k7Y9rqEzM473kpmcGg
I wasn't much into the original, but I'm finding the marathon series of covers kind of mesmerizing.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
Spotify still doing that thing where it will randomly jump back to the first track of an album. So annoying. Surely someone must be fixing this.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:21 (eight years ago) link
Under investigation according to the latest updates. https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ongoing-Issues/Spotify-restarts-albums-somewhat-randomly/idi-p/1505230#comments
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
maybe an algorithm figured out that people pretty just like the first three tracks of most albums
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
the way the "your daily mix" feature separates by style is weird - "here's your daily mix for Monday, it's strictly guitar bros, here's Tuesday, it's rap" - you'd think if the algorithm noticed your tastes are all over the place, it'd mix it up
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 24 December 2016 02:59 (seven years ago) link
Separating them by listening mode is the point of Daily Mix. But there's a mix per mode, not per day. Each one is daily. You can listen to them all every day.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 25 December 2016 04:04 (seven years ago) link
I usd to get 6 great mxes, now dropped to 4 and the one i listened to most has vanished :(
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Sunday, 25 December 2016 07:47 (seven years ago) link
so many "and such small portions" moments itt
― niels, Sunday, 25 December 2016 09:18 (seven years ago) link
word, it's just odd to me that they all operate on the assumption that genre variety is bad/undesirable within a continuous mix. not actually a complaint, I like these, but it's ~~~interesting~~~
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 25 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
I could imagine that it's not easy to auto-generate a coherent mix spanning various genres.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 25 December 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Don't mind the stratification, although I guess now that I am down to three- my Brazilian mix, my jazz mix, my indie/classic rock mix- I miss my hip hop mix. Don't miss my wtf mix though
― How I Wrote Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
Is there a way to regenerate that hip hop playlist, starfish style?
― How I Wrote Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
I promise in advance not to post on any hip hop threads if and when that happens
― How I Wrote Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link
Kate Bush's HOUNDS OF LOVE is on Spotify now
― collectivegaze, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 03:43 (seven years ago) link
Weird, has been on there for ages in australa
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 06:38 (seven years ago) link
Tralalatralalala
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 06:39 (seven years ago) link
Thought you were responding to the latest posts on the sf thread
― How I Wrote Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link
Ah, my fourth mix came back- there was a Fourth Mix!- repurposed as a Latin Mix.
― How I Wrote Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 29 December 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
I had already noticed hounds of love! That's the only song in the world that I'd really, really missed before.
― Dan I., Thursday, 29 December 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link
DW just told me about the song described here, well earning its keep: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/david-holmes-and-bp-fallon-reveal-henry-mccullough-for-late-night-tales-premiere-a7238381.html
― The Magnificent Galileo Seven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 January 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link
Gotta say the year end playlist is a pretty good representation of certain songs that I can listen to over and over end.
― The Magnificent Galileo Seven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 January 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
Segue from "Night Rally" to "The Man Who Sold The World" is spooky.
― The Magnificent Galileo Seven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 05:01 (seven years ago) link
I don't think I got an email with eoy stats - could I have opted out?
― niels, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 07:52 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EIZlKSd.png
― niels, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
POLL
― sleeve, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
there are some kick-ass songs in there!
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
i saw the sign
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Where is Moby Grape's "Omaha"?
― The Magnificent Galileo Seven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
I mean in general, not on that list
― The Magnificent Galileo Seven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
i've wondered the same thing... their whole S/T is greyed out there
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
"Man I feel like a woman" is a very confusing title
― calstars, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:32 (seven years ago) link
^^^ totally crazy
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
literally a great song
― qualx, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
The Sign is a stone cold classic and fuiud
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
have really been enjoying the Spotify VAPRWAVE list, which I found via the KING artist page:
https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/7GtwfClHgE4euOhQUe6kwC
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:59 (seven years ago) link
Nice!
― calstars, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 04:01 (seven years ago) link
Just noticed that Your Daily Mix is now available on the desktop app
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 January 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
whyyyyyyy is it such a pain in the ass to access local files in spotify
and when spotify lowkey swaps a song on your playlist with an inferior re-recording
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/18/f4/9518f48221bdee6a99f875c58b22c005.jpg
― musically, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:23 (seven years ago) link
yo glenn, the new P.O.S. album Chill, dummy is classified under the incorrect P.O.S.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
Notifications still broke? I got an email at least this time
― calstars, Saturday, 28 January 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
Hah, I went to fix that P.O.S album, and somebody already had. You should see it in the right place tomorrow or the next day.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 28 January 2017 23:20 (seven years ago) link
Well, now Spotify is broken and won't load at all and the help pages are no use
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Monday, 30 January 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link
Won't start, won't uninstall, can't be reinstalled.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Monday, 30 January 2017 02:25 (seven years ago) link
Will the "Music Library" feature in Spotify ever be useful? The number of albums you're able to add seems to be incredibly finite.
― spastic heritage, Monday, 30 January 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link
I would just like to say that I have heard of it.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 30 January 2017 05:05 (seven years ago) link
Is it possible to download single tracks? I only seem to get that as an option on albums.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 January 2017 07:48 (seven years ago) link
It's annoying, but I think the only way to do this is by adding individual songs to a playlist and making that playlist 'available offline'.
― willem, Monday, 30 January 2017 09:29 (seven years ago) link
ok :/
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 January 2017 09:39 (seven years ago) link
Interestingly, when I log onto Tidal I get a front page section that reads "JAY Z BACKS THE WOMEN’S MARCH AND THE RESISTANCE: ‘WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT’S IN POWER’ THE HIP-HOP LEGEND AND ACTIVIST SAT DOWN FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT HIS NEW DOCUSERIES ‘TIME: THE KALIEF BROWDER STORY,’ ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE TITULAR WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED TEEN WHO SPENT 800 DAYS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WITHOUT TRIAL BEFORE TAKING HIS OWN LIFE.
When I log on to Spotify, I get a bunch of ads for meatballs and Spotify.
So what does Daniel Ek think about things that aren't related to his company's stock price? It's awfully hard to find info...
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
How's that Tidal playlist coming along?
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
How's that Trump presidency coming along? Seriously asshole...
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
lol, you ARE a dumb one aren't you.
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
Daniel Ek, Freedom Fighter. I'm sure he'll be in the history books...
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
This is the current front page of Tidal:
http://tidal.com/us
Care to post the front page for Spotify, Ulysses, asshole. We're at a point where we call people as they are, btw. Post-Trump politics...
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
And Ulysses, why don't you state who you really are. I've used the same name since joining ILX for every single post I've made. You switch back and forth.
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
i'm your father and your mother and i are really worried about you
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
You can do better than that, asshole. As can Daniel Ek.
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
The top featured playlist on Spotify right now is this:
https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/7v1BarmZ8HAbm5qxidROPB
whose blurb includes a link to httprescue.org.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 January 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
to rescue.org
dammit. to http://rescue.org
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 January 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
Not the same as a feature on the front page, but it's a start. 3 attempts to link it, from someone who works for Spotify, doesn't bode well. But again, anything is better than nothing.
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
Neither of those things is enough, of course, but I find them both impressive. Having lived through the 90s and 2000s when famous people, and companies, would have rather passed out than lift a finger to help any cause more pointed than "Rock The Vote" I find this heartening
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 January 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
Kinda wondering if anyone has checked out Spotify's world-changing playlist. Amongst the top 10: M.I.A., Queen, Regina Spektor, Wyclef Jean, Gloria Estefan. What the fuck, glenn. I like you, but seriously, what the fuck?
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link
Fugees. Forgot the Fugees. Jesus.
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
"Fugees" derives from the word "refugee." I'm guessing a computer made that decision. Yes, glenn? Or is this related to Trump's order to ban Hatians from the US?
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
the 90s and 2000s were not presided over by a neo-nazi and a malevolent plantar wart
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 30 January 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
At least Spotify is making sure that Queen get some recognition in these trying times.
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
Tidal is busy talking about some random guy named Kalief Broder on their front page. And seriously. Who even knows who that is? But Queen!
― dlp9001, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
dlp man i don't know you so take this with a grain of salt, but maybe consider a deep breath and a short break from this thread?
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:14 (seven years ago) link
No worries, Herr Doktor. I think I've said all that I needed to say. And I think we're all aware that any criticism on ilm of Spotify or glenn ist inakzeptabel, for who will take care of our statistics if he ever leaves. I'm going to listen to the Spotify playlist of refugee artists like Queen und der Fugees, relax, and take a break. Best to you and to glenn und Spotify, who are busy fighting the good fight.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link
''I've said all I need to say, so that just leaves being a dick some more''
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 01:44 (seven years ago) link
Gute nacht arzt.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link
^ mods, FP count?
― Dan I., Tuesday, 31 January 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
I think we're all aware that criticism of Spotify or its employees is grounds for instant ban on ILM. No need to get Sleeve on the case. I'll be gone by morning.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 02:24 (seven years ago) link
is this really the hill you want to godwin on
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 03:45 (seven years ago) link
Godwin (and XKCD and various other bits) were crafted for different times. Regardless, that Spotify "Refugee" playlist is insane, and ought to also include the Tom Petty song and the Genesis song for all that it's good for.
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 05:29 (seven years ago) link
which Tom Petty song? "Zombie Zoo"?
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 05:51 (seven years ago) link
don't come around here no more
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 05:59 (seven years ago) link
sorry was drunkenly referring to dlp, that was not conceived as a joke abt refugees or trump's executive order
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 06:03 (seven years ago) link
take it to the irrationally angry thread, dlp
― niels, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 07:28 (seven years ago) link
Hahaha at that spotify playlist... I might be wrong but it kind of has a concept tho... I guess it's about immigrant artists or something? MIA is from Sri Lanka, Freddie Mercury from Tanzania, Wyclef is from Haiti, Gloria Stefan from Cuba... but they're not refugees... it's a weird concept... (only refugee artist in there is Caetano I think?)
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 07:58 (seven years ago) link
I wish there were more places to find political commentary online than on the front pages of our streaming services, but someone has to lead the charge I guess
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 13:58 (seven years ago) link
it's really important that my music streaming service reflect my exact politics clearly, loudly and often, otherwise what's the point
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link
i also like when it suggests political stances I haven't heard yet
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
it's called Discover
― niels, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spotify-capitalizing-trump-travel-ban-230439592.html
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:08 (seven years ago) link
I think they've added "The Immigrant Song" in case that helps.
people might have had similar reactions toward tidal if they'd known it exists
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
I think we just need a contest for great songs to add to the Spotify playlist. Let's be supportive. Did Roman Polanski record anything worth adding?
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:23 (seven years ago) link
Did polanski do Zombie Zoo?
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJkfE1M9wA
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
dlp, did you suffer head trauma recently?
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
If you'd rather, here's one from Lin-Manuel Miranda: https://open.spotify.com/user/tobillo24601/playlist/284iTzCId32KEGwQLGKh1B
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:38 (seven years ago) link
Can you post the Tidal link to that?
― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link
Yes. I'll post it on the Tidal thread. Go wait for it there.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 2 February 2017 00:58 (seven years ago) link
Oh, just post it here. It's making a major impact on Trump, and deserves to be as widely heard as possible. I hear that the Spotify Refugee thread is making a lot of people rethink their attitudes towards Queen.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:01 (seven years ago) link
What the fuck is your problem?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link
I mean, do you realize that Queen was banned from all US sporting events for years, that their albums were restricted from sale at major outlets, and that they're barely known in the US, even by those who grew up during their heyday. It is seriously no fun being a ....refugee.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link
Luckily, as I understand it, Spotify is planning to move to the US to avoid the horrible restrictions on business in Sweden.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/news/companies/spotify-sweden-stockholm-new-york/index.html
As we all know, housing and education are just ducky in NY (glenn, you're from NY so probably have a lot of info on this). So it must be those, and not the stock options.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:14 (seven years ago) link
Is it possible to post an entire persona to the trenchant thread?
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link
After you look up the definition of trenchant, perhaps. Look, we all love glenn. Without him, we wouldn't know which Popp and Jopp voter was the most like the 10th percentile of the top Jopp and Pazz voters. I get that. And he likes metal (now that Julianna Hatfield has taken out an order of protection). Rock on. Seriously. I loves me that Smoke on the Agua song. Anyway, Spotify. Refugees. Discuss.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
yikes
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:31 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/3RQYJKn.gif
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:48 (seven years ago) link
lotta people itt really don't remember what it's like to be 13 or a sock
― qualx, Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:38 (seven years ago) link
I think spotify must have fucked the girl he was lusting after
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 2 February 2017 04:57 (seven years ago) link
Hahaha I kind of like how irrationaly angry this thread is.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 2 February 2017 06:07 (seven years ago) link
well, just one poster
― Spottie, Thursday, 2 February 2017 06:15 (seven years ago) link
it's a weird beef for sure
socks come unravelled
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Thursday, 2 February 2017 06:23 (seven years ago) link
is it a new feature for spotify to immediately start playing a related radio station once an album/playlist is over? wish it would ask instead of doing it automatically...
― musically, Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
The same thing happened to me, it's really annoying. You can go to settings in the app (top right), choose playback then deselect Autoplay
― badg, Sunday, 5 February 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
what's wrong u don't like music
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 February 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, it's very annoying, it even overrules tracks you had already queued up. Have adjusted the settings. Thanks, badg!
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 5 February 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Glenn please hardcode autoplay into bespoke client for Tracer Hand txs
― badg, Sunday, 5 February 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
The autoplay radio "feature" happened to me when I was listening to downloaded music offline and it gobbled up the last of my data for the month by the time I'd realised what the fuck was playing. I had it set to only stream when connected to wifi as well!
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 5 February 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
Dude
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 February 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link
thanks for the tip badg!
I have unlimited data so I didn't even think about it from that perspective but I'm sure spotify is gonna get a bunch of angry emails about this feature for sure... at the very least disable autoplay when not on wifi as default or something
― musically, Monday, 6 February 2017 05:10 (seven years ago) link
I will pass along all this feedback about Autoplay...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 6 February 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
this is weird but somehow I had saved two albums by the same band to play, I started playing one and it definitely played a few of those songs, and then for some reason, despite shuffle not being on, it jumped to the other album for no good reason (I didn't notice right away cos lol it was death metal and I hadn't listened to iether album enough to know the songs by heart).
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:11 (seven years ago) link
turning shuffle on and back off fixed it.
lol who the fuck is dlp....wait was he the one that also offended lots of fuckin' people in the Swans thread last year?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link
I believe he's a long time poster, well liked, but smth abt Spotify spins him out of control
― niels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/71469-new-york-times-subscriptions-now-come-with-free-spotify-premium/
playlisting ILX is one thing but this coupled with the recent cuts in music writers is kinda hurmmmrhm... dear nyt, maybe hire some writers and curators to work with spotify and then post work through a subsite, huh? it's not either/or; it's both.
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Glenn, I have an issue with syncing files to my phone, and I can't seem to find any workaround from the Spotify site. I keep my playlists carefully organized so that they either have tracks copied entirely from my local files list or they have tracks from the Spotify library. For the lists that I create from the local files, it seems like Spotify tries to match those to the Spotify library and then use files from the library instead of from my pc. This then counts against the number of tracks I am allowed to download from the Spotify library. Is there some way for me to force it to use my own files instead of files from the Spotify library?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
There's no official way, no. I think it's possible that you could prevent the matching by renaming your local versions, but I haven't tried that and I'm not saying it's a good idea...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:10 (seven years ago) link
I just now noticed Paul Williams's 70s discography is up. I also noticed it's spread among three separate "artists."
https://open.spotify.com/artist/6W3w8o7f0eU4JoqRzDOG4hhttps://open.spotify.com/artist/1LKElVPBhe0BasoUXWalJHhttps://open.spotify.com/artist/3f626JSVauIhTQgatsFcs4
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 February 2017 05:49 (seven years ago) link
I will have the Paul Williamses merged...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 9 February 2017 06:07 (seven years ago) link
This article says that Prince is back on streaming services, but I don't see his stuff on Spotify...
― DJI, Monday, 13 February 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5a2EaR3hamoenG9rDuVn8j
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 02:25 (seven years ago) link
FUCK YES
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 02:59 (seven years ago) link
I could have sworn that prince's black album eventually got a "legit" release at some point but it's not available for streaming anywhere so maybe not? i was hoping that when they dumped all his stuff back on streaming sites they were gonna include the black album too...at least slsk is still around (i assume, i have barely used it since i joined spotify)
― musically, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
warner released the black album as one of his last contractually obligated LPs iirc. I know i bought it at sam goodys or something like that.
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
wb also did gold experience and chaos and disorder but those are still only on tidal i think
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
xpost They put out an ad saying that they'd send you a legit copy if you sent them your pirated one
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
Is there a way to use the family plan in such a way that I can play raffi for my son while simultaneously listening to my own stuff from my own account? Or do I really need to register separate accounts and sign in separately, etc.
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
ha I have accidentally played stuff and irritated my son long-distance by being logged into Spotify in Boston while he was listening in the kitchen back home. my wife will text me, can you use your iTunes instead, aero jr. is listening to the Wiggles
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
It's strange that at one point it was officially released and now is oop and not even available to stream...gonna assume it was prince who personally put the kibosh on it, hopefully his estate will be kind enough to exploit his legacy and open the vaults
― musically, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
It does stream on Tidal. It was only legitimately available for about a year, as a limited edition from 1994-1995.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
I hope one day S will start to notify me again about new releases
― calstars, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Seems like very recently when an album or playlist is finished it now starts playing album or playlist radio. Don't mind this feature, but wondering when it got rolled out and if I can turn off if needed.
― Louder Than Borads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:09 (seven years ago) link
Settings/Playback/Autoplay
― DJI, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
The same thing happened to me, it's really annoying. You can go to settings in the app (top right), choose playback then deselect Autoplay― badg, zondag 5 februari 2017 20:38 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― badg, zondag 5 februari 2017 20:38 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link
Thx
― Louder Than Borads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
Ah, there is even Song Radio.
― Louder Than Borads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
does anyone know of a playlist or something similar that exists for spoken word albums for children available on spotify?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link
Mordy, some leads here: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/2at1I5TCLf6a1OH2jL8CCB
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:02 (seven years ago) link
ty
― Mordy, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
Tracklist of Cannonball Adderley's In Person is all messed up, seems to be a completely different album, perhaps a bonus disc of stuff unreleased on the original album, who knows.
― Louder Than Borads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link
Fired up spotify's web player tonight (my primary spotify source) and all of a sudden it welcomes me by saying 'To enjoy Spotify, please install Adobe Flash. It's free.'
Why yes, let me install the FREE and WONDERFUL and not remotely awful FLASH ~software~, as if it were the early 00's. This is the way forward, surely.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 19 February 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link
In other news, my discover weekly playlist updated at the stroke of midnight.
― Louder Than Borads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link
new web player design makes it impossible to drag tracks from browser to desktop app playlists :[
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
i just finally hit whatever the limit is on tracks/albums you can save to your library, this sucks. just give me 50% more and i'd be good for several more years
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
how many 2 year olds must have email addresses before this implementation of a "family plan" is fixed?
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:30 (seven years ago) link
hey if you can open lines of credit in kids names, they can have their own email addresses as well....
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:39 (seven years ago) link
on the bright side, Hounds of Love is finally on US spotify
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:52 (seven years ago) link
sufjan otm, apple music requires this too
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:51 (seven years ago) link
does anyone actually get push notifications on ios (or any notification) when an artist they follow has something added? I follow lana del rey and didn't hear a damn thing from spotify when her new track dropped a few days ago. I follow a lot of artists and when I went into my inbox (for the first time in months) to see if I missed the notification, it was empty. I checked and my iphone allows notifications from spotify, but even if it didn't there should notifications wi th in thr app, right? Just me or anyone else have this issue?
― musically, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
I follow lana del rey and didn't hear a damn thing from spotify when her new track dropped a few days ago.
they were probably trying to spare u
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
New stuff from people i follow tends to crop up in the friday finds. Occasionally i still get random emails for SOME of the artists I follow.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 February 2017 02:30 (seven years ago) link
Thanks for getting the multiple Paul Williamses fixed, glenn.
The new Babaganouj EP that just went up has mismatched titles to tracks, for example track 1 ("Star") is actually track 2 and so on until you get to track 5, which is actually track 1. Not sure if that's fixable on your end or if it comes that way from the supplier.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 24 February 2017 05:15 (seven years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/album/227WPUs6WSvKGUY0UoRUY2
Thanks, I'll pass the word along on that one. (As you kinda guessed, the distributor has to fix that and resend it.)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 24 February 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
Don't autoplay some third rate shit you sons of bitches.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, turned it off.
Tweeted Spotify Cares yesterday to see if I could exclude my daughters playlist (Katy Perry and other horrible shit like Katy Perry) from influencing my Daily Mixes and they said no. Also can't turn on incognito mode on Mobile. So frustrating.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
Think its time to have a talk with your daughter
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'd love a way to turn off the algorithms temporarily. Since I listen to mellow stuff to go to sleep, my DW playlist has turned into all of this ambient stuff.
― DJI, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, March 1, 2017 10:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, March 1, 2017 10:38 AM
yeah in the settings on mobile i know there is
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
DJI there is an "incognito mode" iirc?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
don't understand why spotify leans so hard into making everything you listen to public. I guess it came about during that period where every new app had to have a big social media element but it pretty clearly isn't used like that? I just wanna listen to podcasts without necessarily broadcasting that information to everyone who follows me for some reason
― qualx, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
Tracer - not sure if that means private from the suggestion algorithms, or just from other Spotify users.
― DJI, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
I like the social aspect of it... if anything I think it should be exploited more. One feature which I'd love is to invite people to do a collaborative playlist... right now anyone can get into collaborative playlists and delete and add anything regardless if you're friends with them or not. I want an invite only collab playlist option so playlists are curated by say, two or three users not every user out there.
You can turn off in settings the 'currently listening' option btw, leave it in private session. I like when my frienfs hace it in public tho, I have found many cool playlists thru it.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
issue is that you have to start a new private session every time, like spotify is telling you you're doing it wrong but they'll let it slide THIS time. just let me turn it on permanently
also is it even available on mobile?
― qualx, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:30 (seven years ago) link
it's hard to tell if the android app is becoming terrible or if my own hardware/network are becoming terrible
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
I guess I'm asking: does anyone else's music stop at random times throughout the day?
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
haven't had any issues with music randomly stopping. I've definitely had issues with searching. It's often either really slow or not working at all. I have to exit the app and open it again to get it working.
― silverfish, Friday, 3 March 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
You can't enable the private session mode from mobile though. At least I can't find the option. Almost all my listening is mobile or via Sonos.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 3 March 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
it is in settings on android
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
"Your Library" -> gear icon in top right corner -> Private Session (under "Social")
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:01 (seven years ago) link
I get randomly stopping music (on my phone) when my family tries to play music with Alexa (at home).
― DJI, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
yes, that happens to me as well, which is annoying because we have a family plan. the family plan is handled very strictly w/ one concurrent player per account. But there's always a warning about playback being paused in that case. I've been getting an uptick in music stops without any message, though, which appears to be a separate issue.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
waht, am i understand this right? with your family plan you cant listen at the same time ? not true ime
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 March 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
It seems like a family plan should allow you to turn raffi on in the upstairs room with sonos while you listen to a different, more sophisticated raffi album downstairs, but I guess that idea doesn't increase the number of "users" with associated data, which is the goal spotify is likely chasing at the cost of 1 year olds with gmail addresses. I realize that I am getting to Jeff and stars level w/ this point.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
I have a family plan with 4 accounts, but have not figured out a way to make each Alexa use a different Spotify account. I think there is a way to do it for my wife (since she has her own Amazon account ID), but not for the kids (yet).
― DJI, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
yeah, it is currently easier to switch to offline mode and save $5/month
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
I think it might ultimately be an issue with different companies making the hardware and software. Perhaps Spotify doesn't realize that a Sonos speaker (or I imagine Alexa) has an account queued up from the last user. People are going to press play (or the equivalent) on that hardware and interrupt the person using the account elsewhere.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
this will probably drive more people toward amazon prime
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
(if multiple accounts are handled any better. I don't actually know.)
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
powerful ads depict proud new amazon users telling spotify they can take a hike: "leave me alone - i've a family plan!"
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 3 March 2017 21:55 (seven years ago) link
upon first holding my newborn son, I turned to my exhausted wife and said "what a disaster for spotify"
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link
^ gets it
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 March 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
Wonder why the DW icon changed
― Nesta Leaps In (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link
did you change your facebook profile photo?
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link
Uh, no
― Nesta Leaps In (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 01:18 (seven years ago) link
This, basically, on the terribleness of the new web player
Not being able to sort by recently added is a dire choice. Can't believe why they went ahead with this design, crappy and a step back in every way.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 09:02 (seven years ago) link
on a similar note, the roku app has been unable to load my playlists for the last couple weeks and it looks like lots of other people are having the same issue
― Moodles, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
so turns out there's another drawback to the obnoxious process for adding local music to spotify...i just bought my second sonos speaker before realizing this (oops), but sonos can't play your spotify local files at all; not via the sonos app, not via the spotify app. i guess the way that spotify puts your personal music files on lockdown (not the technical term but whatever) in the app means that 3rd party apps, even ones integrated w spotify, can't access them. i'm guessing apple music doesn't have this issue since you just upload your mp3s to your phone when you add local files? ugh spotify, i want to stay w you but you're making it tough...:(
― musically, Sunday, 12 March 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
Roku app has the same drawback
― Moodles, Sunday, 12 March 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if this is where Google Play Music might come into its own? The ability to upload files is (fairly) seamless from what I can make out.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 12 March 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
I've heard google play integration w sonos is pretty good too - i have an iphone so apple music is probably easier to manage but it seems like adding your own music is a lot more straightforward with apps that use your phone's music library by default.
― musically, Sunday, 12 March 2017 22:05 (seven years ago) link
Sonos + a free Google Play account is fantastic for the most part. Everything I bring into iTunes is uploaded automatically to Google Play and accessible through Sonos within a few minutes.
― early rejecter, Monday, 13 March 2017 00:03 (seven years ago) link
Not being able to sort by recently added is a dire choice.
another data point: the only times I have ever sorted by recently added were misclicks (easy to do on a phone) and whenever it happens I freak out and try to remember how to un-sort by recently added because it fucks up my playlist order, so good riddance
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 13 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
I've never been able to sort playlists by anything except on desktop, which is really annoying when you know a certain song is in a given playlist but it's got 500 songs and it's locked into sorting by date added...
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 13 March 2017 04:30 (seven years ago) link
You can sort playlists and also search them in the mobile app. When you open a Playlist, scroll up and you'll find those options.
― Moodles, Monday, 13 March 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link
so on the android app, spotify got rid of the Play All feature that allowed you to shuffle all the playlists grouped under a folder. This is seriously messing up my whole system that I've had for years. I'm at the point where I need to start thinking about some other music app because this has gotten steadily worse and worse, stripping away valuable features over time.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 06:40 (seven years ago) link
maybe you could just find an old apk?
― niels, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 06:48 (seven years ago) link
maybe, I'll need to figure out how to do that. I'd really like to find a music streaming app that doesn't keep hosing the features I use the most.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 06:54 (seven years ago) link
something like this might work http://www.apkmirror.com/uploads/?q=spotify-ltd (if you're on Android that is)
― niels, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 07:48 (seven years ago) link
yikes, I use that feature all the time, still available for the iphone thankfully
― musically, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/17/spotify-to-restrict-some-music-to-paying-subscribers-only
― heaven parker (anagram), Friday, 17 March 2017 09:40 (seven years ago) link
Surprised they didn't do this a long time ago. I guess now they've got a lot of people into it, the gamble is that many of them will pony up the cash for premium.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 17 March 2017 10:20 (seven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mOPkCwWrwvo/VZhgY6mMhiI/AAAAAAAAJPw/jn6zGHSDF7g/s1600/anigif.gif
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 March 2017 10:35 (seven years ago) link
Ha. I just went for premium yesterday, but it sure wasn't so I could listen to fucking pop records - it was just that the commercials, which were uniformly for products and services I would never buy or use, got so annoying, I decided the $10 was worth it to avoid them.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 17 March 2017 12:05 (seven years ago) link
thanks for new dn
― fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 March 2017 12:15 (seven years ago) link
fucking pop records
― qualx, Saturday, 18 March 2017 04:08 (seven years ago) link
to balance my earlier gripes I want to note my discover weekly has been excellent lately
― ogmor, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link
No idea why but the web player is back to it's old good self today.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
Glenn, on the artists page, why do some acts have only 4 related artists and others 6 or 7? Seems totally random as some super obscure acts have 7 links, when mainstream acts have 4 and even similar acts (The Jam - 4:Paul Weller - 7) have this disparity.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
hmm... I get 20 related artists for the Jam
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
I guess you mean the "overview" page?
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, if I click on the related artists link then I get the full whack.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Just a layout thing: If the artist has a Latest Release, the Related Artists section expands to match the combined height of the Latest Release and Popular sections.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah, obvious in hindsight. As a listening strategy I like to pick a couple of artists and try to get to them using only the relate artist link and found it frustrating that a lot only had 4 choices.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
so after several weeks of my playlists not loading on the Roku App, Spotify "fixed" this by just removing playlists from the app altogether. What the hell is even the point anymore? Each new change has been a progressively worse product. I jumped into a premium subscription as soon as it was available and have been a power user since then, and it's been sad and frustrating to watch it slide downhill.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
What the hell is even the point anymore? Each new change has been a progressively worse product.
see also: every computer program or app ever made, it seems
― sleeve, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
that may be true, but this seems like a particularly egregious case. When it was first released in the US, it worked like a dream. It seems that the changes they've put in place were designed specifically to undermine or remove all of the coolest features. I don't get why they'd do that, is there some kind of money to be saved?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:01 (seven years ago) link
wait is that for real? new versions of Spotify no longer have playlists? holy shit.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:02 (seven years ago) link
new version of the spotify roku app
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link
*slowly puts down gun*
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link
still that's shitty as hell
i'm still sore that they haven't restored good local files functionality to the program. my osx client spotify version is from 2014! that's the last time it worked the way i want it to.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link
Yes, the local files situation is pretty bad. Also pissed that the Android app removed Play All button from folders. It was the only way to group together playlists in cool configurations or get >10,000 tracks in a list.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
― Moodles, Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:05 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the roku app has always sucked
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link
this goes for most roku apps afaict
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
It's never been great, but I used it a lot. It's pretty much worthless without playlists.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
Other roku apps I use, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, HBO, YouTube, Twitch, all do pretty much what I'd expect them to. They certainly aren't hopelessly hosed.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
Well, I tried to put Spotify on my Roku to see what you were talking about, but I can't even find it in the Channel Store...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 02:17 (seven years ago) link
update to spotify portion of sonos app seems to have made switching between family plan accounts easier :-)
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 02:20 (seven years ago) link
Which roku do you have?
https://channelstore.roku.com/details/19977/spotify
― Moodles, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 02:29 (seven years ago) link
the roku playlists thread on the spotify community page has been very active, dozens of posts every day, lots of very pissed off people
― Moodles, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Forget where the general streaming music thread is, but this story is of interest:
https://gizmodo.com/streaming-music-services-from-most-screwed-to-least-sc-1793612699
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link
Oh no, Pono!
― Moodles, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
I'd love to see one ranking music services from most fucked up apps to most functional
― Moodles, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
Deezer is doomed for sure. I've actually got Deezer Premium which comes free with my landline, and as a streaming platform it's no worse than Spotify. The desktop client is better than Spotify's (although local music is still pretty shit), the mobile clients are well-designed and stable, the web player is good, the Flow suggestion-engine is pretty good too. It does the basics right.
Problem is, beside a shitload of Frenchies who get it rammed down their throat with their mobile/landline service, nobody else is on it so the whole social aspect and subscribing to cool curated/collaborative playlists is pretty much a no-go. At the first opportunity I'll drop it for Spotify Premium, and I'm pretty sure everyone else feels the same. Six million subscribers looks impressive, but if your business relies on bundling/force-feeding and nobody would otherwise consider the product, you're doomed, just as much as RealPlayer, Google+ and Hangouts.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link
I've worked on at least three of those services, two which are already kaput and pono, #1 most likely to die. (And a couple of others they don't mention. Rara for one)
Such things are hard. A lot of companies think they'd like to have their own offering, but getting a big enough foothold to make it pay is difficult, especially given the existence of Spotify.
I was there when they turned off the servers serving pono content. They were switching to 7 digital, I think. Shocked that the website is non functional 8 months later. Would kind of like a pono T-shirt though.
― koogs, Sunday, 26 March 2017 12:43 (seven years ago) link
poor pono
― sleeve, Sunday, 26 March 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
is the function letting you share songs via a message in spotify gone? had a lot of long-running threads exchanging tunes with pals on there and can't seem to do it anymore. always seemed like the social elements of spotify were kind of buggy/always changing etc
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
it is curious how bad the social elements are. they are the market leaders and they cannot figure out how to make it easy for people to find their friends and share music with them, and don't appear to even want to. even though it would increase lock-in. increase playbacks. etc. just weird.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
I usually share with sms, and it is easy
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
i envision a news-feed like thing with listening/charts, comments, collaborative playlists, etc. and last.fm has kinda fallen off a bit since the redesign, one would think they'd hop on that and co-opt most of those features especially as a lot of people migrate to streaming platforms
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link
admittedly spotify sort of has elements of all of these things but they're mostly pretty undercooked or constantly changing/disappearing/etc
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
I shared via SMS just the other day. Pretty sure it's still there.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:12 (seven years ago) link
A chat function within Spotify where you could share links to songs, playlists, etc with friends would be fucking awesome. Did it used to have that?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:38 (seven years ago) link
I think they want that to be called "Facebook"
― sleeve, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:16 (seven years ago) link
how, though? i recall it used to post to FB now and then with what you were listening to but the integration has diminished a lot
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 03:30 (seven years ago) link
and i think sharing songs used to be in the FB messaging feature
I liked that feature, but I'm guessing FB users didn't like their news feeds getting spammed with friends' listening details.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 03:49 (seven years ago) link
― Position Position, Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:38 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes. i didn't use it too often but it ruled in the moments i did
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:15 (seven years ago) link
c'mon who would want to share music with their friends
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link
why would you listen to music other than to broadcast your taste to everyone xxp
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
in reality i know 0 people who broadcast their taste, I only know a few ppl who even discuss/mention things theyve been listening to, so self-consciousness about this is p alien to my real life
― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:06 (seven years ago) link
It would be good if there was a tab that would let you go directly to singles, albums or Appears On right at the top. Some artists I follow, like Vybz Kartel, release an insane amount of music and just scrolling down to see if there's a new riddim he's on (which would go under «appears on») takes me minutes, lol.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:55 (seven years ago) link
You can get a little closer to that effect if you switch the Albums and Singles displays to the grid style.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link
I've already done that, lol. Just go to the Vybz Kartel Spotify page to see for yourself. There are others, but his is the worst.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link
Oh. Yeah, pretend I didn't say anything.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/04/spotify-universal-albums-premium-subscribers-only
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
That short Guardian piece leaves out the detail that this only covers the non-single tracks. No windowing for singles, and (I think) no windowing of albums unless they have singles.
[I have no involvement in deal-making at Spotify.]
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link
it would be nice if this means we get an agreed standard of what a "single" is again, and tell Billboard/OCC what it is.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
Was Time Fades Away included when Neil Young's catalog showed back up a few months ago, or is this a recent development?
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 10 April 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
glenn - legendary ukg don DJ Q has a bunch of unrelated stuff from techno guy Paul Flynn in his profile.
For instance these:
https://open.spotify.com/album/5RlyYKGWnlnnb5aZsCOPEOhttps://open.spotify.com/album/1YirBj0TgKtcl7GBmklwnMhttps://open.spotify.com/album/201xel0UP61Bn7gCmMMAAlhttps://open.spotify.com/album/7xBaTmApqevxKxgEQi7RN0https://open.spotify.com/album/6VemqswE6DThVVkqhZGO7Yhttps://open.spotify.com/album/4c3iXxxYUbcApDneBnKzQT
There's also these, don't really know who these ppl are:https://open.spotify.com/album/0BNzyPPi98WQ44viXP51vxhttps://open.spotify.com/album/4Yfi7gOjObRpIhhlCwqkML
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link
Passed this along to get it fixed, thanks.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
I imagine that sort of incorrect cross-pollination can play a bit of havoc with recommendations
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
A constant source of irritation, yes.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
You'd think artists/labels would be pretty eager to fix this, otherwise their namesake gets all the money.
― Siegbran, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
xpost like, not even insofar as the wrong DJ Q getting recommended (but that too), but the wrong genre being associated with a user's habits
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
glenn, i'm finding a replicable issue on spotify's version of Talking Heads "Seen and Not Seen" at 1:40
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Monday, 10 April 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
as long as we're using you as a helpdesk
Thought this thread was bumped because of the guy killed in Sweden. Did you know him, Glenn? Sorry if this is a horrible question.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 10 April 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
ulysses, what issue do you mean? I don't hear anything at 1:40 in either the regular or 2005 remastered versions of that song, but there are more versions in other regions, so maybe you're getting a different one. Which country are you in, and what's the URL of the track you're playing?
I didn't know Chris personally, no.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 03:31 (seven years ago) link
Glen: USA and https://open.spotify.com/track/7dq6icAlynpBD6MSrXKh3A
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 03:49 (seven years ago) link
I don't hear anything weird at 1:40 in that. What do you hear?
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 03:55 (seven years ago) link
popping and skipping on the track. dunno why it's only me. disregard if it's a glitch just on my end.
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 04:07 (seven years ago) link
Glenn, still hearing those voices in my left speaker while listening to Stained Class -- the dog next door told me it's bothering him too. Fix in the works?
― pplains, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 04:47 (seven years ago) link
is it the musician's commentary?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 04:52 (seven years ago) link
pplains: weird, it's supposed to be the right channel. Which hemisphere is your ISP's DNS entry served from?
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 13:20 (seven years ago) link
You mean before or after Obama changed the global polarities?
― pplains, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 13:24 (seven years ago) link
if the aluminum hat fits, wear it i suppose
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link
Any chance Spotify could add a "play backwards" function? I really want to find out what Led Zeppelin has to say about Satan.
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link
they think he cool
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:03 (seven years ago) link
I'm a big Spotify fan, but the new ipad layout is so, so bad (it seems to just be a clone of the iphone UI), and so much worse than the previous version. I'm sure there's some logical explanation, but it's hard to imagine anyone thinking it's an improvement.
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
Ugh ugh ugh - downloaded the latest version of the app and Spotify no longer allows you to shuffle all contents of a folder, which RUINS the way I've painstakingly organized my library. I've spent over a year organizing playlists by artist, methodically removing all bad songs, then nesting those folders inside genre folders which are placed inside folders organized by decade. Up until yesterday that yielded a lot of flexibility in what kind of shuffle mixes I could make. It all depended on the ability to shuffle within folders... so the usability of Spotify just took a severe nosedive.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link
I dunno about iOS apps but for desktop and android it shouldn't be too difficult downgrading to older versions
― niels, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 12:06 (seven years ago) link
You can downgrade on desktop to the really great native client, but it's a pain in the ass (you have to try and stop it updating itself) and more and more non-core functionality is breaking.
― stet, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
I don't understand why the nest folder/playlist "play all" function went away either. I can understand not adding new features but taking away something that was established and that people liked and used *coughstarredplaylistcough* is such a strange thing to do.
― musically, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
My conspiracy theory is that spotify is degrading their service to drive down the overall number of tracks played so that they can pay less royalties.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
xp, just "play' when on a folder works for me? maybe i have an outdated version.
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
It should still work on the desktop app, but is no longer available on mobile devices.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Boot up PC. Start Spotify. Spotify installs updates. Spotify allegedly loads. Endless spinning circle of dots. Can't close Spotify. Kill off the 4 mysterious Spotify processes in Task Manager. One won't stop. Try starting Spotify again. Spotify won't start because it is already running. try killing process again. Fail. Start up web player instead. Web player won't start because it thinks the desktop app is running. Reboot PC. Go back to step 1.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 April 2017 23:36 (seven years ago) link
You left out "contact Spotify support so they can fix your problem". Might be less frustrating with that extra step!
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 21 April 2017 00:12 (seven years ago) link
Is anyone having issues with Spotify crashing while using the Amazon Fire Stick? It could be my internet connection too, perhaps
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Sunday, 23 April 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link
Bad idea: https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/24/spotify-building-its-own-hardware/
I hope someone there realizes how much money this will cost.
― DJI, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
It also indicates that the hardware would be "a category defining product akin to Pebble Watch, Amazon Echo, and Snap Spectacles."
should i have heard of any of those?
― ✓ (Doctor Casino), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
I don't understand why the nest folder/playlist "play all" function went away either. I can understand not adding new features but taking away something that was established and that people liked and used *coughstarredplaylistcough* is such a strange thing to do.― musically, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:39 AM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkIt should still work on the desktop app, but is no longer available on mobile devices.― Moodles, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:57 AM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― musically, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:39 AM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Moodles, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:57 AM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just came here to post this W T F for real. This was a super basic functionality that I used daily and built my folder structure around....
― Spottie, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
wow terrible idea going into hardware they kinda have no idea what they're doing over there do they?
― Mordy, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Roku app dropped playlists completely about a month ago. Since then, I was only using it too search up specific artists or albums. Now any remaining functionality has also stopped working. So at this point, the Roku app just doesn't work at all.
― Moodles, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
instead of their own hardware, spotify should follow through on the $15 a month hi-rez audio subscription tier and do a big partnership with Sonos to have it baked in w/Sonos
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link
I don't necessarily expect spotify to get hardware right, but I'm intrigued nonetheless
― Moodles, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
If you want to do your own corporate mindreading, all these jobs are posted on our site. The Voice and NLU ones are even in my office in Boston.
https://www.spotify.com/us/jobs/opportunities/product/all/boston-ma-united-states/
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 02:05 (seven years ago) link
I use the web app when I use it on my laptop (mostly an iOS app user). Is there a trick, on this new minimal UI, to finding where I can sort albums and playlists? I usually sort by recently added, but now it's just alphabetical. Kind of annoying. I haven't used the desktop app in forever, but as a Mac OS user I remember having to reinstall it constantly after updates, because of various bugs.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
The desktop app has been improved quite a bit since forever ago, and I think it's safe to say it's better than the web UI. Maybe give it another try?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
My main frustration with the web player is not being able to access playlist folders. For whatever reason it ignores them and just displays the contents as a dirty great list. Makes shuffling folders impossible and adding to playlists a giant ballache. (My school won't let me download the desktop app and force me to use IE, the massive spanners.)
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
So for the past 24 hours or so any song i try to play in Spotify on my iPhone just stops a few seconds (sometimes up to a minute) in. Then if I'm lucky it starts again after a few seconds of silence. Or not. Anyone else having this issue? And is there a quick fix? I've tried restarting the phone but I'd prefer to not have to reinstall the app since I have a lot of offline stuff on it.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 28 April 2017 07:24 (seven years ago) link
iPad app change is weird - if it's slightly broke, break it some more
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 28 April 2017 07:29 (seven years ago) link
Am I correct that one can make playlists available online in the 'my music' section if it's for iphone/ipad, but for the desktop app you need to make a playlist of the album and then make said playlist available offline? :-/
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 28 April 2017 09:24 (seven years ago) link
If notifications of artists I follow worked, I would never have to check stereogum again
― calstars, Friday, 28 April 2017 11:31 (seven years ago) link
It seems like Discover Weekly occasionally takes a metaphorical holiday and lets its pal Daily Mix fill in. This week was just a greatest hits, 25-26 songs I've known most of my adult life, nothing remotely new, several tracks that I've had multiple times before (Some Velvet Morning, Dancing in the Lesbian Bar, I Am The Cosmos, This Mortal Coil's version of Kangaroo, Lazy Line Painter Bloody Jane, etc).
Weird. DW really got good either side of Xmas from my PoV - dozen or more brand new acts (to me) every week. The algorithm is cruising again now.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 09:47 (seven years ago) link
My gf is reporting the same thing. At least three of the tracks mentioned above, and wall-to-wall obviousness. Curious as to why this happens occasionally (though DW has been pretty weak for a month or two now).
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 10:31 (seven years ago) link
I was very impressed with Release Radar, but recently seems to be morphing into Discover Weekly with a lot of artists I've never heard of or played before.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 10:40 (seven years ago) link
I gave up on Release Radar because the act of following it basically broke the Playlist access function on my Marantz streaming thing. It has become further broken recently (I imagine it's API changes that Marantz haven't kept on top of with firmware updates - my receiver is from 2013) - won't show any playlists that I didn't create, so no DW either - so now I just AirPlay to it from my phone. I should check out RR again.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 10:54 (seven years ago) link
Mixed-up artist metadata: the garage rock Uniques, the Jamaican Uniques, and possibly also the doo wop Uniques are listed together under that not-so-unique name.
― Brad C., Tuesday, 2 May 2017 12:04 (seven years ago) link
I don't blame Discover Weekly, but just because I listen to Babe Ruth for a solid week doesn't mean I want to listen to an hour's worth of bands like Quicksilver Messenger Service on Friday.
― pplains, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
I kind of find the idea that I would want to listen to things that sound just like things I listened to recently insulting
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link
I will get the non-unique Uniques fixed.
Release Radar picks artists you've followed and/or played first, but if it can't find enough of those with new releases in a given week, it does use the same suggestion logic as Discover Weekly as a backup to try to find you something else you might like.
I'll pass along the feedback about DW producing already-familiar songs.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
Oh, and what's the model number of your Marantz thing, Michael? In general older stuff is supposed to keep working with the new playlists, but maybe this one is an exception for some reason...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
Search function is working again on the roku app, so I can at least play music on it, but still no playlists.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
DW works well more often than it doesn't, but President Keyes is correct - it does sometimes ape Amazon's "Say, you bought a bath mat recently. Here are 1,000 more." algorhythm.
― pplains, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
Glenn: it's a Marantz M-CR610. It's not a major pain, though I used to like navigating playlists on the device itself (or through its remote app) rather than relying on my phone/AirPlay. Now DW just shows up as "by" in the playlists and navigation is extremely slow. (It's not the M-CR611, which added Spotify Connect).
I don't expect DW to know that I'm a 48yo guy with way too much physical media, and, while I may not have chosen to play these songs through Spotify, I have played them to death since I was 20-something. But to keep giving me the same "core" songs (Chris Bell, Nancy & Lee, B&S, This Mortal Coil, Scott Walker, Lambchop, Slits, etc) may indicate a bit of a glitch somewhere (I've had Some Velvet Morning maybe four times since late 2015, six if you include covers). And now another friend has told me that their DW was basically a "hits of yr life" this week.
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
my DW last week was entirely 70's soul/funk/disco because I listened to a few hours of the ILM poll playlist
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, most pre-Spotify-Connect devices can't understand the newer playlist formats that DW, RR and many of the Spotify editorial playlists use.
The thing about all the stuff you play outside Spotify is a subject of constant interest and discussion here, in many contexts. Some of the things that get labeled "recommendations" are really just as much attempts to infer the aspects of your existing taste that you haven't directly demonstrated to us. "You might also like" vs "You probably also already know".
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
My most recent Discover Weekly had a LOT of stuff I've had before, including one song I had last week!
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
most artists pages giving me "Sorry, something went wrong."s on Android 7. Having more gos also not helping.
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
For the second time for me (at least) this year, discover weekly has featured "spill the wine" twice in the same playlist. A song I already have on a playlist I've made, and that I know I've played in the last month.
I play a lot of old top 40s for a project these days, and those songs tend to be uploaded on Spotify in multiple slightly different versions, so I can't blame DW entirely for turning into "you played this grass roots hit, discover it on a different best-of." At least there are no shitty re-recordings this week. But still...wtf.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
I am having the same thing with DW: a lot of familiar songs and several that are repeats from earlier DW's (Guided By Voices' Game of pricks most notably). This has been the case since maybe last week. I'm a big fan of DW and I filter out my favs in a separate playlist. In the past year I've discovered so much really good new music thanks to DW.
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
help every single spotify-curated playlist is just a single fuzzy recording of garry shandling telling me to set my asshole on fire
― qualx, Thursday, 4 May 2017 01:47 (seven years ago) link
should i do it glenn
help i'm running out of time
Personalization.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 May 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
The main problem with RIYL engines is that they always pick the common denominator sonmost of the time it will recommend you something you already know. Oh so you like "Calvin Harris?" Here's songs by Avicii, Galantis and David Guetta which you probably already know.
I've very rarely discovered anything exciting or new through any songs' radio or my personal recommendations.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Friday, 5 May 2017 07:42 (seven years ago) link
I've discovered lots through DW but I had become lazy & terrible at discovering things through any other sources.
― ledge, Friday, 5 May 2017 08:09 (seven years ago) link
yeah DW is a great tool and the ease of use makes it pretty serious competition for all other sources :O
― niels, Friday, 5 May 2017 09:52 (seven years ago) link
Dw has been pretty good at going, "Oh, you like alternate versions and remixes? Here are a few that you wouldn't have even thought to look for."
― pplains, Friday, 5 May 2017 13:11 (seven years ago) link
My Release Radar from last week is sitting right there cheek by jowl next to my Release Radar from this week. Help! I'm caught in a time loop!
― Trelayne Staley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 May 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Sorry if Glenn has already gone into this upthread, but I'm guessing the repetition that everyone reports with DW (though you can have weeks of genuinely novel stuff) is down to Artist/Song not being a sufficiently unique way of identifying something? So if, song X by artist Y is on the original LP, the deluxe reissue (where it's 10sec longer), some "Back to Mine" comp, an artist best-of comp, a genre best-of comp - that's five unique objects on Spotify, and you may eventually get all of them if they're referenced on public playlists. This is the only way I can explain something like getting the 7" and LP versions of *the same song* in one week's playlist. The metadata is different for those entries.
I think I may have finally had every possible release of "Temporary Secretary", which is why I haven't heard it for a few months ;)
― Michael Jones, Monday, 8 May 2017 11:12 (seven years ago) link
We do attempt to deduplicate recordings, not tracks, so you aren't supposed to get literally the same audio more than once. But stuff doesn't always works right, especially over time...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 8 May 2017 13:01 (seven years ago) link
I had no idea until today that my Spotify library had a maximum capacity but according to the Android app it does and I've just hit it.― Matt DC, Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:41 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkIt's not just an offline limit - even if you don't have a saved album available offline it still counts toward your Your Music 10k limitwell if that's the case it's pretty ridiculous. on ios it doesn't even tell you about any limit, it just stops downloading, and then you leave the house to find half an album/playlist is not there.― Autumn Almanac, Friday, April 15, 2016 12:37 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI have an iphone and got the message...tho I got it when i was just saving something (a notification popped up), I wasn't toggling the save offline switch on something I had already saved.Anyway I can see some reason why they'd decide to cap music saved offline but music that's saved online only is basically a collection of shortcuts, idg why that's capped. Especially since that cap doesn't extend to playlists; so all the functionality did was make me unsave a bunch of albums, then add them back as playlists. Not sure what the point of that is...― musically, Friday, April 15, 2016 12:56 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkcaps might have made sense a few years ago when streaming services weren't the centre of the music industry. now that it's ~the way~ so many people use music, the limit is just an archaic pain in the arse, and i'm surprised spotify still has it. i've mentioned this itt before but i'm pretty sure no other major service limits to ~3,300 offline songs.― Autumn Almanac, Friday, April 15, 2016 1:31 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― Autumn Almanac, Friday, April 15, 2016 1:31 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Been a premium (family) Spotify user since the beginning and just reached my 10k max yesterday. Since they got rid of stars I found a way to use the plus sign in a similar fashion. I have no desire to change how I go about using Spotify again and re-organizing all the work I've already put into it. Sure I can delete some songs, maybe even 1,000+ of them, but that wont solve the problem long term as I will fill it up again soon enough. Very frustrated and now I'm looking into alternatives.
Spent a bunch of time on the spotify forums on this topic and this is their response to the uproar:
Updated: 2016-09-17Hello everyone. Staff here.At the moment we don’t have plans to extend the Your Music limit. The reason is because less than 1% of users reach it. The current limit ensures a great experience for 99% of users instead of an "OK" experience for 100%.We are keeping a close eye on the votes and comments. Please continue to post your feedback.
Hello everyone. Staff here.
At the moment we don’t have plans to extend the Your Music limit. The reason is because less than 1% of users reach it. The current limit ensures a great experience for 99% of users instead of an "OK" experience for 100%.
We are keeping a close eye on the votes and comments. Please continue to post your feedback.
That's maybe the worst response I can imagine, outside of a "lol f u, morons"
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
hmmm it does make sense that a feature interesting for >1% of users isn't top priority but I wonder how losing the cap would affect general service (perhaps it's that it would require lots of development for the app to handle larger libraries?)
― niels, Monday, 8 May 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
Uhm that's supposed to be a less sign
im sure that number is growing as more and more people will be reaching the max
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
it would be nice if there were a tier where you could get a higher cap, but I'm not really upset about it since that 10,000 song limit has been pretty clear from the start
― Moodles, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link
was it?
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link
It's definitely something I knew about when I initially signed up, which was when the app first became available in the US.
― Moodles, Monday, 8 May 2017 22:22 (seven years ago) link
I had no clue til the above posts a year ago and even then i just figured it was so dumb it would be done away with soon enough.
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 22:27 (seven years ago) link
haha wow. that "less than 1% of users" (i.e. half a million people) would be the hardcore ones spotify would rather keep, no?
i defected to apple music because of this idiotic limit and i've since almost forgotten spotify is a thing.
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 8 May 2017 23:23 (seven years ago) link
i mean "it's only half a million people" is basically the reason we still don't have marriage equality here. as excuses for arbitrary restrictions go, it's dumb.
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 8 May 2017 23:25 (seven years ago) link
spotify presumably would prefer non-hardcore listeners since the 1% listens to the most music (and forces spotify to pay out the most royalties) whereas the casual listener pays the same amount every month and costs significantly less
― Mordy, Monday, 8 May 2017 23:28 (seven years ago) link
true, but imposing a limit the user isn't even told about isn't the best way of going about that. currently people are downloading albums/playlists, going out and discovering their songs were never downloaded. the app doesn't tell you the limit was breached or even how close you are to the limit.
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 8 May 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
Also I'd be willing to pay more and I bet plenty of the hardcores would be willing as well.
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
even then it seems dumb to ask people to pay more just to do what every other service does. it's not even a cost issue, it's just a local cache. i'm guessing it's a licensing issue they never got sorted.
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:05 (seven years ago) link
^^^ ding ding ding
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
(my guess as well)
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:22 (seven years ago) link
Possibly so.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
It's not a licensing issue.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:34 (seven years ago) link
glenn! do you know more?
― Spottie, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:35 (seven years ago) link
I know just enough more to be frustrated that I'm not allowed to explain the technical details, but not enough that my explanation would be coherent or complete. It's not due to legality or laziness, though, it's really a technical issue.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 02:32 (seven years ago) link
Fair. But can you say if it's something they are trying to change and/or discussing or should I move on?
― Spottie, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:01 (seven years ago) link
It's not going to change any time soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 04:24 (seven years ago) link
That's a bummer.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link
thx glenn
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 05:58 (seven years ago) link
Is there something glitchy going on for anyone else with the mobile device connections? Spotify will just randomly switch from playing on my desktop to my phone even when I don't have the app up on the phone. It's starting to get really annoying, especially in the office.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
that has always been a bit hard to control. Sonos fixed the family plan issue if you want to listen to two different accounts on different speakers, but still does not work if you want to mix sonos, headphones, or car, etc. Still need offline mode for that.
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 03:49 (seven years ago) link
I guess you used to be able to view playlists by album, but no longer?
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
my favorite thing about spottily currently is the commercial where the lady groans "THE EMAILS"
― k3vin k., Friday, 12 May 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
Getting IA with this more and more. Downloaded a 200 song playlist at home through wifi, so it'd be available for me on the road. Accidentally tapped the 'download' button when on said road, ticking it from green (on) to grey (off). When I ticked it on again it started to try to download the whole bloody playlist again, it had been erased. Sigh
― On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 13 May 2017 00:03 (seven years ago) link
This week's Discover Weekly has five tracks from last week's Discover Weekly. Perhaps I'm listening to too much DW and it's eating its own tail?
― stet, Monday, 5 June 2017 11:01 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I have the same problem, a lot of the same tracks three weeks in a row now
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 5 June 2017 11:06 (seven years ago) link
Same here.
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Monday, 5 June 2017 11:08 (seven years ago) link
This video suggest that including older songs on the Discover Weekly playlist started out as a bug, but has become a feature
https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/528831/what-makes-things-cool/
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Monday, 5 June 2017 11:11 (seven years ago) link
Haven't checked this week's (left earbuds at home and I like it to be a surprise as I listen!), but week of May 29 overlapped with week of May 22 to the tune of 6-7 common tracks. Both weeks started with Joy Div's "Decades"!
DW was so good for 8-9 weeks at the start of the year, but it's stuck inside itself now.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 5 June 2017 12:26 (seven years ago) link
That Atlantic thing was interesting, re: drop in DW engagement (measured as skip vs play?) when it got too heavy on the new stuff. My reaction was the opposite (sorry, Gang Of Four/Jonathan Richman/Gorky's/etc, you're getting skipped; hello thing I've never heard before, I will hear you out). I guess late-2016 DW was frightening the horses.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 5 June 2017 12:37 (seven years ago) link
Why isn't Trout Mask Replica on Spotify when p much every other Beefheart alb is there?
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Monday, 5 June 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link
This week's spotify weekly is at least 50% same artists as last week. In some cases it's just a different song off the same album as the last week, mostly it's just exactly the same songs. Discover weekly was one of the main things differentiating spotify from it's competitors for me.
Anyway, I signed up for a 4 month free trial of google play. I'm gonna try it out this summer and drop spotify for a while at least. Google's android client much better than spotify's, maybe not so much from a UI standpoint, but much more responsive and bug-free.
― silverfish, Monday, 5 June 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
I'm just coming to the end of my 4-month Google Play Music trial. Everything is broadly fine, but there's nothing that would make me contemplate the upheaval of a shift from Spotify. The best aspect is the upload - which is part of the free package anyway.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 5 June 2017 14:27 (seven years ago) link
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:10 (nine months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
My Discover Weekly had five or six songs from last week in as well.
And I think "Video Life" by Chris Spedding has appeared six or seven times overall now. He must have made nearly a penny from me.
My Release Radar playlist has grown to 56 songs as of last week!? Does the length depend on how many artists I follow have new releases?
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Monday, 5 June 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link
I've seen a few other people reporting repeated tracks in DW. If you got dupes, is yours still 30 tracks, or is it longer this week?
Release Radar is allowed to grow longer if more artists you follow or like have releases this week, so that one is normal and good!
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 5 June 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
I had 7 or 8 repeats this week also, out of a normal 30.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Monday, 5 June 2017 23:47 (seven years ago) link
Release Radar playlist has been better for me for a while than DW, except there was a song I really liked a couple of weeks ago, forgot to save and it disappeared and now I'll never find it again
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 00:13 (seven years ago) link
Just 30 tracks for me, Glenn
― stet, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link
I've also been getting lots of repeats (30 song list) and it def makes it a less useful playlist (I'd do daily mix if I wanted to hear stuff I know) and it's somewhat annoying to hear some semi obscure cut for the third week in a row...
― niels, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 07:00 (seven years ago) link
Same here, maybe it's what people want but then it's hardly 'discover' weekly anymore. At least mine has finally stopped trying to make Ariel Pink happen.
― The XX pants (ledge), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 07:54 (seven years ago) link
mine has not
― niels, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 08:06 (seven years ago) link
congrats, glenn
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/01/14/meet-the-man-classifying-every-genre-of-music-on-spotify-all-1387-of-them.html?curator=MusicREDEF
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 11:59 (seven years ago) link
On the internet everyone can be famous from the same old piece every 15 months.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:07 (seven years ago) link
new to me...a friend sent it to me and i was like, hmm.
what can you do? (besides check the date of the article)
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link
glenn love is good love
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
My wife sent me a link to everynoise recently, which is a good indication that word is getting around well outside our little ILM bubble.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
25/30 songs in my DW this week came from the previous 2. Between that, the desktop app frequently not working, and an evident distain for roku/smart tv users, I think I'm done.
― KPH, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
I think we found a cause of repeats the last few weeks, so maybe give next week's DW a chance before you give up.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
I've noticed the desktop app being very buggy recently - frequently taking 5 to 10 minutes to wake up on starting. I can't work out if it's the laptop (it's got 4gb of RAM, but can lag), if the app is looking for remote files or if there's something else going on. App-entropy is a pain in the arse.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
I get that a lot as well. Just a looong time for all the panels to load.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link
glad to hear dw will be back in form
― niels, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
What's going on with this Sire compilation, Just Say Anything? Most of the artist names are Just Say Yes. I know the series of these comps is called Just Say Yes, but this is some pretty horrible metadata.
https://open.spotify.com/album/5PGmgmVV9n8bA5m5fRVoru
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
I was able to speed up the desktop Spotify by downloading a third-party "scrubber" app.
DW still thinks I'm a huge Ry Cooder fan, for some reason.
― pplains, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 00:29 (seven years ago) link
brotherlovesdub, I reported that comp so we can ask the label to fix it and resubmit...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
I honestly do not understand people getting this riled up about a big in their DW. Up to the point of wanting to cancel the whole service? Gtfo.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 23:32 (seven years ago) link
While the discover weekly thing is a bit annoying, my main issue is with the Spotify Android app, which is ridiculously slow (on my phone at least)
The DW thing is just what made me realise that I should probably at least try out the competition.
― silverfish, Thursday, 8 June 2017 02:17 (seven years ago) link
I think I need to do this, as desktop app takes upwards of 10mins to fire up properly these days, and even longer if you want to start by loading a playlist you haven't played before, but I don't understand what that sentence you wrote means.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 8 June 2017 03:58 (seven years ago) link
http://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/
Got the tip from this page: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Mac/Slow-load-time-on-Mac-desktop-app/td-p/1655353
― pplains, Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:29 (seven years ago) link
I didn't even delete and reinstall. Worked fine just after putting Spotify through the wringer.
― pplains, Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:31 (seven years ago) link
No DW today -- is it on hold for debugging?
― Mr. Crackpots (WilliamC), Monday, 12 June 2017 11:48 (seven years ago) link
Mine is updated
― stet, Monday, 12 June 2017 11:51 (seven years ago) link
Mine too
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 June 2017 12:07 (seven years ago) link
Interesting, it just updated a minute ago.
― Mr. Crackpots (WilliamC), Monday, 12 June 2017 12:31 (seven years ago) link
My DW hasn't updated for 15 days, and my Release Radar hasn't updated for 11 days.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 12 June 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link
How feasible and interested would you say users would be in having invite only collaborative playlists? As it stands right now if a playlist is collaborative everyone on spotify can add tracks -which ruins playlists more often than not- or an asshole can get in and remove every track just for giggles.
I used to send and receive recommendations from a couple of acquaintances who live in the other side of the world via inbox. With that feature gone, having collaborative "private" playlists seems to me like the easiest solution to my problem. We can share songs back and forth within a playlist and even curate and compliment a theme or set of sounds between each other.
Anyways... been wanting this feature for years now but I might be one of the few who want it.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Monday, 12 June 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
count me in
― niels, Monday, 12 June 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
obviously it's something I've wanted
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 12 June 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
i think that counts as a "social" feature therefore bewilderingly deprioritized by our spotify overlords
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 June 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
Who did this Salsa Nation playlist? It's meaningless to have a "contemporary salsa" playlist that includes "La Murga" (from 1971). I didn't just click on it to bitch about it either. I was curious to see what new material someone might think is worth highlighting. (Sadly there is almost nothing in the way of truly contemporary, of-the-moment salsa that is worth collecting in a playlist.)
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 17 June 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
Here's my data-analytical thing that finds new (or nominally new, at least) music by less-known artists that seems to be catching on among Salsa fans:
https://open.spotify.com/user/particledetector/playlist/6yrKLhh8PE0XVCq2LEnlky
There's no explicit editorial presence in this, it's just cohort statistics, so nothing forces the music to BE salsa, and if everybody who usually plays salsa spent the last week listening to nothing but death metal, this list would be death metal. But people never seem to actually do that.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 17 June 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I've never listened to this one before, myself, and I don't know enough about salsa to say anything about the songs in context, but I'm playing it now and it's pretty great whatever it is.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 17 June 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
Thanks, that looks potentially interesting. If nothing else it might remind me of some Dominican merengue I've forgotten about, by the looks of it.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 17 June 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
Actually, the other similar playlists look like they'd be more useful to me. I'm just too fussy about salsa at this point.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 17 June 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
any thoughts on implementing back cover art and booklets in Spotify?
I find it interesting that atm you rarely (unless you still buy physical media) see the back cover art of even the most popular albums
― niels, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:04 (seven years ago) link
Wait, what do you mean? The back covers are displayed already!
Oh, wait, are you using a device that doesn't have a back screen?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 19 June 2017 14:03 (seven years ago) link
the depreciation of liner notes is my least favorite aspect of the shift to digital
― maura, Monday, 19 June 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
like, across the board. digital promos rarely come with them
The back covers are displayed already!
Wait, what? Where? How?
― Mr. Crackpots (WilliamC), Monday, 19 June 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
Whenever I've requested a pdf of a cd booklet after getting a download, the promoter has sent it to me. But no, they don't seem to include them by default. At any rate, I don't mind physical recordings maintaining an advantage as a multimedia object. In a sense, streaming and downloads fill the niche of cassettes, portability over collectibility.
Glenn's joking, but didn't iTunes have some sort of deluxe download offering with a digital "booklet" and such?
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
iTunes Digital Booklets yeah, that died a quiet death I think?
― Siegbran, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
This is such an irony: we go virtual, removing physical space-constraints, and end up imposing even more limiting virtual ones.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link
I'd be happy just to consistently have the dates things were originally recorded.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Artists should bundle an edited selection of their twitter feed with their albums.
― Siegbran, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
"On top of this, Spotify will also be removed from LG TV systems as we work on improvements. We hope to have a better version of Spotify on these in future. Watch this space!"
Well, fuck you, spotify
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 09:58 (seven years ago) link
Idiotproofing request: Despite queuing some tracks up these were removed after then accidentally launching a playlist from the browser. Ideally in this situation they would just get pushed to the back of the queue and then you can just remove any tracks accidentally queued manually?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
there is an ilm edm 2017 playlist on spotify that i was listening to last night while playing resogun (i am currently 15th in the world on resongun:demolition on ps4) and i can't search for it for some reason. or remember the name. there were 3 (count them 3! yo brooklyn! 2017 year of da bonez!) frankie bones tracks and then this awesome track that i loved and i can't remember who it was by. so hot.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
Is it this one?
https://open.spotify.com/user/forksclovetofu/playlist/2U7GYmh1qZ0YteaXhUezhf
― Moodles, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
https://watt.cashmusic.org/writing/thesecretlivesofplaylists
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
Tidal is actually very good at including track info on producers, composers & musicians in their tags. Any chance that Spotify might adopts such a policy? I'm trying to quit Tidal but stuff like that keeps me hanging on, paying for a sub I really should not need.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
Showing more track info isn't my department, but I know it's a thing people are interested in...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Good article, sleeve. All of this vertical integration and payola (as well as the de-emphasizing of individuals' playlists and other social-networking features) seems like the same short-sighted decision-making that led to radio's irrelevance.
So far, it seems like Spotify has been pretty careful with rolling out some of the most craven of these features. My Discover Weekly playlist is mostly full of pretty obscure bands which don't seem like they are paying to play. This is good, because what I like about Spotify is that the machine-learning-driven playlists don't feel like they are being driven by payola (now, maybe I'm wrong/naive about this).
On the other hand, Spotify does seem to be making it tough to discover individuals' playlists. Even if you have a username, there are no tools to sort by latest-updated playlists, or to see a nice big list view of all of their playlists. This seems short-sighted to me. If Spotify was a place where its users could become tastemakers, organically, without the influence of big-label money, that would be better for the Spotify brand, long-term.
Of course, this stuff probably only matters to a tiny percentage of their userbase. I'm guessing most people are happy to pop on the Rap Caviar playlist and hear what everyone else is listening to. But I don't know. I've definitely shied away from Apple Music due to their feeling like some super-integrated corporate marketing exercise. Spotify has always felt like a much better service for discovering truly unknown (to me) bands.
Basically, if Ed Sheeran shows in my DW, I'm gonna be annoyed.
― DJI, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
Yep, good article on Spotify and its various tiers of playlists and how labels get songs on them
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 June 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
lol i know elise. she talks like a seasoned spotify vet in that article but she was a radio producer until last year. these whippersnappers, they learn so annoyingly FAST!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Depressing but also just downright strange looking at Browse overview and a Spotify-made 'This is: Ed Sheeran' playlist being the only artist-specific playlist among the first six visible and out of the 25 presented in total.
― nashwan, Sunday, 25 June 2017 12:55 (seven years ago) link
Every generation gets the Elvis it deserves.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
every time i read this thread i just feel bad for glenn
― qualx, Sunday, 25 June 2017 23:12 (seven years ago) link
my last DW playlist for some reason included the a capella version of return of the mack
what do i need to do to convince the algorithm that this is the only song that needs to be associated with my profile
― qualx, Sunday, 25 June 2017 23:13 (seven years ago) link
glenn can you personally place a capella versions of mark morrison songs into my DW playlists
my playlist contained return of the mack, but none of my previous playlists contained the mack, please fix this logical inconsistency
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Sunday, 25 June 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link
O mi gawd
― quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 June 2017 23:45 (seven years ago) link
I always get "Return of the Mack", "Revenge of the Mack" and "The Mack Strikes Back" confused, sorry...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
Packin' a Mack in the Back of the Ac'
― President Keyes, Monday, 26 June 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
can you search your playlists? as in, if you've squirelled a track away in a playlist but can't recall where/which?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link
In mobile, you have to scroll up to find the search box.
― Moodles, Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
This Edge of Balearic playlist has been good to me.
― Louie Ramirez y Sus Blechos (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 2 July 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
I got an email from Spotify asking me to confirm my email, out of the blue after having had the account for what, four years? Can I assume it's a phishing thing or have I been listening to too much Reply All?
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 2 July 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
I got the same email and wondered the same thing. I didn't respond.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Ditto. Did respond, but felt worried about it.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 2 July 2017 23:24 (seven years ago) link
This is cool news: https://noonpacific.com/#/
― DJI, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
We’ve had a good run with Soundcloud, but for various reasons we can't disclose, we feel that Spotify is the right move and more sustainable in the long run.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Aaaand Spotify now has vanished from my smart TV. That was a worthwhile investment.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link
life in the fast lane
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 07:46 (seven years ago) link
DW today - merzbow followed by a soft acoustic number. worked okay.
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
The 'radio-ifying' of Spotify through the heavy emphasis on Spotify's playlists and DW is actually one of the things that is pulling me out of streaming services back into oldschool local media/downloading. Same with Deezer, I'm off that now.
Yes there's a massive library of music, but it's quite hard to explore/drill down into, or connect to other actual people's lists, and if I let the algorithm (or rather, payola) feed me 'curated playlists' like it desperately wants to, I get a somewhat bland approximation of stuff I like, which at times works fine as pleasant musical wallpaper but finding seriously great new music is actually much harder than just going on ILM or RYM and exploring cross-recommendations, lists, 'Rolling' threads, etc.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
I'm genuinely curious about how "oldschool local media/downloading" makes for a better interface for exploration/drilling down into other people's music. Are you saying that the massive library is still lacking? If not, it seems like maybe a longer or less linear exploration using google etc. as an interface is providing a more satisfying context for you. But couldn't streaming still deliver the music in the end?
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not just about the interface, or even primarily about that, but about what kind of connection you build with a track or an artist. a playlist is just a really bone-dry way of encountering music, no matter how great the cover art or how "rich" the associated metadata. but if just one friend, or even one ilxor i know a little bit about, comes out foursquare for something i've already got a stronger foothold into that recommendation than anything spotify is giving me. yes this is an argument for music writing and it's an argument for real radio (with knowledgeable passionate DJs). and it's an argument for friends.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
i'll be there for you(r playlist)
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
really into daily mixes atm, it's like personalized greatest hits genre radio
― niels, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
clicked on rap caviar this morning and track four was... a music video?
― maura, Thursday, 6 July 2017 12:08 (seven years ago) link
also saw videos in this playlist, which is interesting for other reasons https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX4W90hOiKcOs
― maura, Thursday, 6 July 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
There have been videos in a few other big playlists. Were you pleased, angered, surprised, something else?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
Since you asked...
I would prefer there was a switch similar to turning off the auto-play after a playlist is over. Video is going to take up more bandwidth and would likely affect the already-sticky performance of the desktop app. Plus, I don't need music videos playing on my screen while I'm working in the office.
― pplains, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I'm definitely going to have to rethink my Wreckx-n-Effect playlist now.
― pplains, Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
xp but I have never listened to a spotify playlist that wasn't my own or a friend's. if you want to use Spotify to discover new music, what you do is go to Related Artists and click links until you start finding unfamiliar and interesting albums. this works better for smaller artists, who are not flooded with data (just... ignore the metaphor).
the trick is not expecting similar artists. but some routes that are consistently promising for me are:
a) artists with a fairly close cohort of collaborators, labelmates, fellow regional acts, etc. this is particularly good if you want to find like 25 artists from a specific country that you've never heard before. (of course, you could just look up this stuff yourself, but I assume no one's going to start who doesn't already)b) artists with so little data that the similar artists algorithm just throws out anything it's got.
this isn't limited to spotify either -- it was probably the best feature last.fm had, you could approximate it with people they followed on MySpace or, these days, people who they follow on SoundCloud (or better yet, people who follow them, some of whom will be musicians). shit, even YouTube is good for this although you may want a dedicated gmail account given how much unrelated stuff you are probably watching
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 6 July 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
never rethink your wrecks-n-effect playlist, fear is the mindkiller
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
in other news, I don't see this particular story here but as far as I'm concerned most of these things are... not bad? some guy recording a song about Randor Township, Pennsylvania and 100 other towns in Pennsylvania isn't devaluing music any more than the past several decades, if not centuries, of novelty artists did http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/streaming-music-cheat-codes.html
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
When setting up my own playlists, I took the extra time to select songs as they appear with their original album art - so that when the song plays, I can view that album cover as opposed to the album art from some bullshit late 2000s indie romcom soundtrack. In the playlist even when it says the specified album title, it often still defaults to Pirate Radio or Moonrise Kingdom or Garden State or something that I just don't want to look at.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
i have to wonder the social features of spotify have been deliberately hobbled so that labels don't lose too much control of how their product is presented. i.e. label playlists and official playlists prioritized over user playlists and unimplemented social features ("top 10 this week from people you follow"; "send a song with a message scribbled on it"; etc). and then wondering why no one just decides to eat spotify's lunch by doing those things.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
Nobody's going to eat Spotify's lunch because if you take out the payola playlisting, where will the money come from?
― Siegbran, Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i.. well.. venture capitalists? :)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
we'll ramp up to monetization
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
but we've got a few milestones to hit before then, you know how it is
spotify might have some data on what sort of features eat lunches
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sZ8Z7kBBEkw/maxresdefault.jpg
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 6 July 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
"top 10 this week from people you follow" might not make sense when you start to think about how it'd be implemented. maybe they've even tried something similar in house and shelved it for now. There's likely a cost associated with datacenter crunching these playlists, and if that were insignificant, there's likely some value in not throwing every playlist idea out there at once.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
my point is that even basic social features would massively improve discovery. that spotify has chosen not to go that route is therefore something of a mystery. the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that spotify and the labels want control over placement promo and presentation. just think about the apps that were killed off, the astonishing blue note app, for instance, that let you drill into any year, or the pitchfork and guardian apps that displayed reviews right next to a playable playlist of the music under discussion. imagine an infinite scroll of tom ewing's popular right next to all the number 1s! all of that killed, replaced with playlists. "browse" used to feature third-party playlists pretty prominently, and had a genuine "most popular playlists" tab that showed exactly that, regardless of who made it and what songs were inside. but that real estate was just too valuable to leave to the users.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Rdio had a "top track from your friends" thing, in fact. My impression was that it worked great for people who had a lot of friends on Rdio with whom they shared musical tastes. But for a lot of people it was basically "here's the 1 song that 2 of your friends have played, and then a bunch of randomly ordered songs that 1 of them likes". And it didn't really offer any tools for building a better social experience if you didn't already have one, nor is it obvious how that ought to work. I have different groups of people with whom I share different parts of my taste. And the recs I get from people I know because of my tastes (e.g. Rolling Metal) are often as good or better than the ones I get from people I was already friends with independent of music...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
xp how was the blue note app not a label controlling placement, promo, and presentation?
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
and payola to third party playlisters sounds scarier than a more open payola tolerated only by those who can't afford or don't want to pay a monthly fee
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
ha it was i guess a bit! but the main way people used it was via the timeline drilldown, which was utterly user controlled. very little scope for label control and "curation".
glenn: chicken/egg? maybe users would follow friends if there was an actual reason to? i.e. why can't i comment on a song i can see a friend of mine just listened to? why can't i send a song to them inside the app? why do i have jamie oliver in my recommended users? nike run club?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
i fully cop to being biased by my own preference for discovery coming via trusted people in my life or trusted personalities but i don't think i'm alone in this - at all - and it just confounds me that spotify doesn't provide these sorts of avenues. when spotify hired a bunch of radio people last year i assumed there was a recognition that music needs the sort of personal touch that radio can provide and that we'd see something like a better integrated beats 1 but it seems like all those people were just hired to make.. playlists? i mean, they're great playlists! (not to mention the best-in-class algorithmic stuff :)) but they're just playlists.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
i didn't like the videos. on the "i'm with the banned" playlist they were redundant (and started with a trailer??) and on both playlists they took up too much screen real estate on mobile.
― maura, Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
And of course it's true in a sense that we (Spotify) want control over how things are presented, because that's basically what we do. We're trying to bring more music to listeners and more fans to artists. We're more likely to use our own playlists to do this than random user-made playlists because, circularly, we control our expectations for how those playlists behave. We know that our editors are updating our lists regularly, and responsively, and responsibly. Somebody else's playlist? Who knows?
But at the same time, we have Discover Weekly and Daily Mix and Release Radar and Related Artists and lots of other things that are driven by people's listening, individually or collectively. We control them in the sense that we decide how often they update, and by what exact math, but if you listen to self-released black metal, you're going to get more self-released black metal from us. We don't have any incentive to push Drake or Ed Sheeran on anybody who doesn't want to know about those songs...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
right i get that. what i am saying is that i would listen to more music, and become fans of more artists, if i was recommended them by actual people (maura; pete tong; ned raggett) rather than by the browse page or by my weekly playlists. in order for that to happen, the social features in spotify would need the sort of thought that instagram and snapchat put into stories and filters and timelines. what i am pondering - and this isn't really a conspiracy theory, more just a business model question i guess - is to what extent labels are comfortable with spotify being user-driven in an individualized, personal, editorial way, beyond the anonymized mass of data needed to drive playlist algorithms. the evidence so far is: not very
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
For what it's worth, I don't think anything that has happened with "social" features in Spotify has anything to do with Spotify or labels being uncomfortable. Nobody in the music "industry" loses if your friend tells you about a song.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
it always felt like cleaning up to me
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
well there are issues with UGC sitting alongside your editorial. during the recent UK election there were official live streams on youtube from CNN, iTV etc, with live chat running side-by-side in the browser. without exception the live chats were chockablock with swears, escort service spam, etc
or, if you allowed rich editorial user playlists, and promoted them "fairly" in browse, i.e. v popular playlists at the top, what's to stop a sharply written, frequently updated playlist called "worst pop of 2017" taking deadly aim at the big pushes of the week from labels?
or just on a really simple level, i could send a friend a track and say "AWFUL!!!!!" and maybe everyone else who follows me would see that too?
it's not easy to do. but imo it would be great (for me) if spotify confronted these challenges here and did make the app more user-centric and more social
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
I want to discover which songs are bad
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
what prevents money from flipping the "worst pop of 2017" playlist curator? I trust the semi secret algorithms more than I trust strangers. My friends and I SMS playlists and tracks with comments to each other all of the time. That is all of the social stuff that I want. I don't want all of the problems of reddit added to spotify. Things are pretty good. Fix bugs and support hardware, imo.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
what prevents "worst pop 2017" is the fact that by definition it eliminates most of its audience
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
also I'm not sure what you mean by "sharply written" in the context of a playlist, but given the hostility of basically every editorial outlet (spotify qualifies as one now) to even mildly critical writing, and the indifference to "sharply written" vs. "incoherently mean" or "predictably zingy," those also prevent it
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link
My friends and I SMS playlists and tracks with comments to each other all of the time.
I used to be able to do that in Spotify, but for some reason they decided that if you didn't have a Facebook account you wouldn't be able to.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
well, mildly critical writing on anyone who is not the industry cycle's current designated target of critical writing
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
xp you can't copy a link without facebook?
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link
(asking because I don't know how to test this myself, and I am genuinely curious)
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
You can copy a link without fb.
― DJI, Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:06 (seven years ago) link
Didn't explain myself very well. You used to be able to send and receive tracks, playlists etc direct to other users from within Spotify now they need to have a Twitter, fb etc account.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 7 July 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
I see. I guess I never liked the in-app messaging very much. I'd rather have fewer messaging interfaces to check, so I am fine with sending links via those. I suppose the value was that you could have a spotify tier of friendship, i.e. a list of people you only cared to share your spotify username with. Now you'd have to share an email address at least.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 7 July 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
Just got email confirmation thingy
― Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 July 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/spotify-denies-its-playlisting-fake-artists-so-why-are-all-these-fake-artists-on-its-playlists/
― mike t-diva, Monday, 10 July 2017 15:13 (seven years ago) link
That is interesting. But it seems to be happening only in the "yoga moods" kind of music that one would see as $10 CDs in check out lines named after different biomes. It doesn't seem like the kind of music that requires large investment from actually good labels, and I guess I don't really care if Spotify's practices discourage those kinds of outfits from existing.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 July 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:12 (seven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/streaming-music-cheat-codes.html
This is somehow both surreal and inevitable.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 08:39 (seven years ago) link
Good article. I can forgive and navigate around the "20th C. Schizoid Man" stuff, but the official Spotify playlists being stuffed with artists who don't exist outside the service itself seems particularly anti-working musician, which kind of sucks
― calstars, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:21 (seven years ago) link
http://musically.com/2017/07/11/spotify-fake-artists-traced-back-swedish-producers/
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link
isn't the fake artist thing basically just the musical equivalent of netflix and other video streaming services offering their original content? I'm having a hard time being outraged here
― silverfish, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Netflix doesn't automatically play Netflix content, you have to navigate to it and select it yourself. Also, own content is clearly indicated.
The problem is not so much that Spotify commissions filler, but that it hides its origins and feeds it to listerers by stealth to reduce payout to real artists.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
On a different note I A/B'd Spotify extreme against a 256 MP3 and the latter won. Just more crisp, even with the Spotify EQ on. Not sure why I never did that before.
― calstars, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
more crisp you say
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Netflix certainly puts its own content on prominent display on every interface
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
netflix clearly identifies netflix original content because it attracts users to the service. What spotify does is just add bland filler and hope nobody notices, which is very different. So I guess my comparison upthread is probably not so apt.
(now I'm imagining Netflix inserting random cheaply made episodes of Friends or Planet Earth or whatever within current seasons of those shows and just assuming nobody will notice)
― silverfish, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
I like the idea that AI will provide these fake filler songs in the future.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:10 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
With C-actors, vaguely familiar looking sets etc. Now I want to see this!
Srsly the Netflix comparison isn't helpful in any way.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
I also don't see how this is substantially different than library music, which people love and even collect
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
actually, what this reminds me most of is The Sims 2 -- a lot of their Simlish tracks were recorded by actual pop artists, for the hype, but at least a couple of them were recordings by "fake artists," I guess we're calling them. the funny thing is now they've developed actual fanbases for their one song that isn't even in any real language, although it's hard to tell how much of that is astroturfed (fake bios/photos/"follow-up tracks" that are other artists' mislabeled work), and then whether that was EA astroturfing or just someone trolling
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
I wish that Spotify wasn't paying money to anyone for the white noise track we stream to my son's bedroom every night. The spotify software is infinitely more important to that endeavor than the recording we use.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
If this stuff is bland and unidentifiable, why are people so upset about who records it in the first place? I'm more upset about Spotify removing useful functionality and apps.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (seven years ago) link
Really enjoying the playlist that this thing generates: https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:15 (seven years ago) link
👍
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:51 (seven years ago) link
isn't it just a "daily mix"? some faves with some recs?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 07:53 (seven years ago) link
No? Presumably they leverage the Likert scaling to fine tune the output in a more sensitive manner.
Also I'm assuming that it doesn't just produce the 'you've got great taste' playlist but also feeds into your entire individual recommendation profile, so has some effect on discover weekly, release radar, etc.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:23 (seven years ago) link
In any case the resulting playlist is a lot better than the daily mix, for me so far
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:26 (seven years ago) link
http://spotify.me/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
I CAN'T STOP RATING SONGS HELP
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:29 (seven years ago) link
I know! I spent a couple of hours doing it last night, and it was so addictive I had a hard time getting myself to go to bed. Something about the near-immediate feedback of having the playlist update itself after every batch of ratings.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:48 (seven years ago) link
on the one hand this is a useful feature; on the other hand I am clearly not the intended audience because I use Spotify for reviewing albums, so I'll get a bunch of what I normally listen to and then Harry Styles
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
a lot of my assessments were fairly spot on but it listed my lifetime top album as neil young, harvest moon, which i've only streamed a handful from there, if ever. not sure how they computed that
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
If this stuff is bland and unidentifiable, why are people so upset about who records it in the first place?
Another problem, due to the setup that Spotify works as two big pools, premium and free, is click farms that play their own music 24/7.
Spotify could fix that by directly linking subscription fees and plays by account (ie, your money, minus Spotify's cut, goes to the artists you play), but apparently that's too much admin.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
where do you get the option to rate songs? this must just not be working for me... do you have to stay in the web browser?
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
According to spotify.me, my most listened to genre is Escape Room. I have no I idea what Escape Room means, so I'm guessing it's one of the things Glenn made up.
― fffv, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
it's a genre of video games and/or live-action recreations where you solve puzzles to get out of a room. not sure what the soundtrack for that would be, let's ask Spotify's gaming section
...the answer appears to be Rag'n'Bone Man
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
well, you're only human after all
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
Song ratings is a browser based thing originally posted by caek upthread: https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
So, basically, Glenn McDonald has control over the future of dumb musical genre names?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
vp over the future of dumb musical genre names is a cool job. or job title, maybe.
― fffv, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
dammit, now I have to get new business cards made again
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/12/15961416/spotify-fake-artist-controversy-mystery-tracks
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
I like the idea that AI will provide these fake filler songs in the future.― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://www.koat.com/article/alexa-credited-for-calling-911-but-amazon-says-she-cant-do-that/10289228
― Louie Ramirez y Sus Blechos (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link
to post something in here that is not endless complaining: I do appreciate that they're trying, and trying different things. even if this particular version, with tracks I've already listened to about 1000 times interspersed with recommendations, is a bit uncanny-valley
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
There's this certain very specific type of modern R&B--lazy, completely (and annoyingly) unquantized beats with always a little too much time between the kick and the snare/clap/snap (you can just imagine the producer hovering over his MPC congratulating himself on his own genius), with "woke" borderline slam poetry style vocals--that Spotify desperately and insistently thinks I'll love, and keeps offering me over and over again. Get the hint, algorithm!
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
Couldn't think of a specific example because I usually just skip them and move on, but I didn't have to wait long, because this was the very next track on the list!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FAduzmtj_c
Except that's not as bad as most--imagine that except with the entire beat played "live" without quantization.
Kind of off topic for the thread, I guess, but I'm so amazed (not upset) that Spotify keeps presenting me with this stuff over and over despite me doing nothing (as far as I know) to encourage it.
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Is it because i love gil scott heron? idgi
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Where are we "offering" those to you? Discover Weekly?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
I think? Or maybe they're usually on Release Radar? And definitely on https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity , which every 15 songs or so goes "here's another one! Are you suuure you still don't like this stuff?" XD
Anyway, I'm definitely not complaining, it's just so weird to me that there's this perseveration for such a very specific sound (I don't hate it, it's just not for me!)
Not asking you to do anything, just remarking on it
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Actually it was less about spotify and more about that particular R&B sound, which I'm surprised is apparently such a well established niche
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
Ah ha! This thread is EXACTLY what I was getting at, so I'll go there to satisfy any more morbid curiosity that I might have: itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
you will never escape the room
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
Here's my stats on Spotify.me:
Top Artist: Stereolab
Here’s When You Listen:11:00pm Most active hour (America/Mexico_City) / 609min Streamed since Jul 2011.
Here’s How You Listen:60% of your tracks are danceable : Are you the life of the party?Overall, your tracks are positive : Good vibes only38% of your tracks are energetic : Pump up the volume
Your top genre is Singer-songwriter which appears in 28% of your top tracks
You’re all over the place. In the good way.One of the new streaming habits we’re measuring is listeners’ music Diversity. As one component of Diversity, we look at genre. 28% of your favorite artists are within your most-listened to genre. Did you know there are over 1,500 genres available on Spotify? We might call users like you Eclectics—bouncing around from genre to genre, open to hearing anything
You Are What You Stream Here’s what we’re starting to see based on your listening history:
Turnt : When you’re streaming, chances are you’re dancing. A 60% chance, to be precise, based off of your recent plays. Now, what you do with those beats is on you. But we aren’t judging.You Stream Like a Partier : You. Like. To Party. (Or at least you like party playlists.)
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
I do tend to use Spotify a lot on house parties and sometimes on my bars if there's no dj around so I guess that kind of skews the stats.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
How/where did you get that stats summary?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
spotify.me
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Ty Moka.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
"Don't Go Where I Can't Find You" by Eraldo Bernocci is my most played track...huh?! Then, I realise... it's an album by Bernocci (who I've never heard of), Harold Budd and Robin Guthrie. And sometimes when I climb into bed I just say "Alexa*, play some Harold Budd off Spotify**", and this must be the thing it shuffles first every night. (* - Amazon Echo was a gift, I would never have bought one; ** - "off Spotify" cause Amazon's selection is poor).
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
"YOU ARE HIGH ENERGY! We can’t seem to find any chill music in your recent streaming history. What’s it like living life at a 10?"
Er, apart from all the soft-pedal piano ambience I fall asleep to every night that now dominates my stats?
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
Wait, holy shit, now that I've looked up "escape room" music, it seems like that's exactly what I was thinking about upthread!? Feel like https://media0dk-a.akamaihd.net/42/52/b98dc98381702043ec57a0797e2dd505.jpg
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link
Your Top ArtistParliament
Your Top TrackDon't Leave Me This Way
Harold Melvin & The Blue NotesDon't Leave Me This Way
Here’s When You ListenBased on your most recent 202 streams since June 111:00am
Most active hour(Europe/London)1,010min
64% of your tracks are energeticPump up the volume
Your average beats per minute is122Toe tapping tunes
Overall,your tracks are negativeSinging the Blues
*Energy is based on the dynamic range, perceived loudness, timbre, onset rate, and general entropy of a trackYour top genre is Alternative Rock which appears in 28% of your top tracks.alternative rock28%funk rock22%space rock20%alternative metal18%post-doom metal18%industrial rock18%
You’re all over the place. In the good way.
You Are What You StreamHere’s what we’re starting to see based on your listening history.
All the Way Up
YOU ARE HIGH ENERGY! We can’t seem to find any chill music in your recent streaming history. What’s it like living life at a 10?
Insight ImageKeeping it 100.
Based on your most recently played tracks, we found that your average track tempo has a BPM of 23. Are you at a house party, doing HIIT, or both?!
― Odysseus, Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
i stream "like a parent"
busted
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
Digging some of the other genres I got in addition to Escape Room.
Escape Room 26%Chamber Psych 24%Fluxwork 22%
Now headed over to Every Noise at Once to see if I can figure out what they mean and where they overlap.
― fffv, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
like, Chamber Psych includes Wooden Shjips, The Fall, Jakko Eino Kalevi, and Daphne & Celeste. okay, cool.
― fffv, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
also, I'm not complaining or being critical of these invented genres. I wish there was something like the Neighbors thing on Last.fm so I could see what other people who are listening to M.E.S.H. and Uffie are checking out since this is what works best for me when it comes to music discovery.
― fffv, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link
RIYL is basically why i scan the genre threads so hard
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link
What the hell kind of genre is PREVERB?
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link
It said I listen to "18% Trap Music". AI still has a long way to go :-(
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
Premature reverb
― calstars, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:35 (seven years ago) link
Mine told me I was very diverse, and then gave me a playlist almost entirely of dub. It was very GOOD dub, though.
Glenn question: Do the algorithms go by artist or break things down to the individual track level? If you play a lot of wonderful single tracks from otherwise dud albums, will you keep getting recs based on those artists?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 14 July 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
Actually, just tested that last question by generating a 'Create Similar Playlist' from a playlist of great songs from otherwise mediocre albums, and got a playlist of almost entirely mediocre songs.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 14 July 2017 06:53 (seven years ago) link
oh that rating songs thing is addictive as hell
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 14 July 2017 07:35 (seven years ago) link
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses),
I don't have spotify but I had hopes this might have been RHYL music, the woman in greggs gets a lot of her records there
― saer, Friday, 14 July 2017 08:44 (seven years ago) link
We do a wide variety of track-based and artist-based recommendations. It's basically a tradeoff: the more you aggregate, the less precise your data becomes but the more accurate. Discover Weekly is very track-centric, but has artist-level filtering to get mostly artists you don't know. Daily Mix and Release Radar are very artist-centric, but then also have very particular track filtering and ordering rules. "Related Artists" and most of the other stuff on the Discover page are artist-centric. "Create Similar Playlist" is actually track-based, but track- and artist-based results are often very similar unless you intentionally try to make them different.
I've done some experiments where I pick two fairly different songs by a single artist and try to find the music that is most distinctively popular among just fans of each song, but mostly what I find is that listening patterns don't actually break that way. Most people who listen to electric Dylan also listen to acoustic Dylan. Most people who listen to Pat Benatar or Cyndi Lauper's post-pop work also listen to their popular records. Most people still listening to early Ulver records are also listening to the later Ulver records.
So you think you're listening to only the "good" songs from bad albums, but in fact most people who like those songs probably actually like the rest of those albums. "Good" is, statistically speaking, your own solipsism showing.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Your Top Artist: Markus Guentner - Express Yourself
Your Top TrackSchool Of Fish - Pete Namlook
Then it basically goes on to say I listen to nothing but death metal when BBQing, which is... not entirely untrue.
― beard papa, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:20 (seven years ago) link
Cheers, Glenn, that makes sense.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
yeah great stuff glenn!
― niels, Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
Anyone else have Spotify launching automatically on start up even tho you've set it not to?
And I've seen the spinner so much more lately - can take minutes to access playlists (only after auto-launch I think).
― nashwan, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:14 (seven years ago) link
yep, this has been happening on my work laptop for the last week or so. strangely, I have another Windows laptop with Spotify installed at home that does not have this issue.
― fffv, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 14:50 (seven years ago) link
That spinner goes on and on and on
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
The Spots! The Spots!
― Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 July 2017 00:05 (seven years ago) link
My top genre is Fourth World. I don't know what that is?
― kraudive, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
lol there's a whole thread for it :pfourth world music
― Mordy, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Ok thanks for that. Not sure I'm much wiser though.
― kraudive, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
I thought it may have been my listening to a lot of Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith and Klara Lewis and Alice Coltrane.
― kraudive, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
is there sponsored content on Release Radar?
― niels, Friday, 21 July 2017 08:12 (seven years ago) link
No. Personally, I think Release Radar might be a pretty good place for promoted tracks if they were relevant and labeled. By it's nature it's already inherently a sampler rather than a playlist you just start and leave on expecting a focused listening experience (unless you only listen to one thing), and we have a pretty decent idea of bands you might like (or might already know outside of your Spotify listening) that we're not currently including in your Release Radar but could.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 21 July 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I wouldn't mind as long as it was relevant and labeled. It's such a useful playlist!
Is the list "front loaded" so the most relevant new music is at the top or is it more of a random sampler?
― niels, Friday, 21 July 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Seems front loaded to me - clearly based on artists I've made a point to follow or I can say I've listened to at least once in the last few months. But I guess that criteria isn't enough to make a fully new playlist every single week. Often the bottom 1/3 of my Release Radar playlist is tracks by artists who were also on the playlist the week before, but now they've moved down.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Release Radar is pretty strictly ordered: first artists you Follow, then artists you don't Follow but have played a bunch (in descending order of how much), and then potentially some Discover-Weekly-style suggestions if there aren't enough artists from the first two categories with new releases. And this pattern then repeats for releases from the previous week or two.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 21 July 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Just noticed that. Happy to receive a weekly email, I feel like they haven't been sent in awhile.
― calstars, Friday, 21 July 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link
rely pretty heavily on Release Radar ever since they stopped notifications so I'm happy with minimal messing
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Friday, 21 July 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
is there a way to browse labels in Spotify?
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 08:43 (seven years ago) link
Label:name in search e.g label:Warp
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 24 July 2017 08:50 (seven years ago) link
c:\run autoexec.bat
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 July 2017 09:01 (seven years ago) link
nice, thanks!
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:08 (seven years ago) link
If the label is two or more words put the search term in quotation marks otherwise you'll get lots of unconnected crap.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:13 (seven years ago) link
I suppose it's been discussed already but the thread is so huge...So, I've noticed lately that the spotify app on my iphone takes much more space than it's supposed to (even when removing all the "downloaded" stuff).After checking online, it appears the issue is well known but the only way to really fix it is to erase the app and dl it again (indeed it reduces the space to a fraction of what it was before, like 10%).the problem is that it then "grows" again quickly, even without downloading anything...is erasing the app regularly the only way to keep it under control ? seems very primitive !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:16 (seven years ago) link
xp roger that
just did a label:rhino search and man they have a nice catalogue
would be nice if it was more incorporated, also for browsing compilation series...
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:30 (seven years ago) link
re:size if you've an android phone I think you can just manually erase the spotify cache through explorer (way I did it: connect your phone via usb then scan for large folders using Treesize)
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:32 (seven years ago) link
I've got some album only playlists. Is there anyway to collapse them so they only display the album names rather than listing 400+ songs it lists the 35 albums?
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:37 (seven years ago) link
xpost thanks but unfortunately I have an iphone... no way to empty the cache... other than to delete the app altogether each time apparently !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:46 (seven years ago) link
Same issue here, just deleted and re installed yesterday.
― calstars, Monday, 24 July 2017 11:21 (seven years ago) link
I think the old trick of attempting to rent a movie (on iTunes Store) that is larger than the amount of space you have left on your device still works to free up room from space hoggers like Spotify. You can do it multiple times in a row to free up more space. Just be careful because after a few attempts they switch up the rental dialogue on you, apparently to trick you into letting the rental fully go through
― Dan I., Monday, 24 July 2017 12:06 (seven years ago) link
People online saying it doesn't work anymore, but it do, I think
― Dan I., Monday, 24 July 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
such an idiosyncratic Apple thing to not allow users/apps access to cache cleaning
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 12:20 (seven years ago) link
(I know Spotify and every other app could/should just include it in their programming but since they don't it would be nice to be able to use 3rd party apps for this purpose)
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 12:21 (seven years ago) link
Google play music on iOS has an option to clear the cache of temporarily stored music. Why not Spotify?
― calstars, Monday, 24 July 2017 12:56 (seven years ago) link
I usually complain about issues with Spotify functionality, but there is one semi-recent change that I'm truly glad about. In the past, I could only load files for offline playlists onto the Android app if my phone was unlocked and the screen was on. This was a major pain because Android does not provide a straightforward way to stop the phone from locking after 10 minutes of non-use, so I would have to monitor it while it was loading files, which could take hours. On newer versions of the app, it loads just fine while the phone is locked, and I am very grateful for this.
― Moodles, Monday, 24 July 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link
another thing that is so annoying with spotify is that most of the times it takes sooo long to connect when you open it, whether I'm outside on 4g our inside on wifi...they could definitely use some rework on their program.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 08:23 (seven years ago) link
Related: takes long to start + navigate playlist tree even when the phone is in flight mode (eg when on a plane wanting to listen to a downloaded playlist). I don't know why of course, but it almost seems like it is trying to connect to Spotify server in this case as well, only falling back on the last stored playlist tree when connection obviously fails.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 09:30 (seven years ago) link
Spotify helps me know what opinions I should have on the issues of the day.
#resistance
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 27 July 2017 02:31 (seven years ago) link
more on the space issue : I'm not sure but it seems like deleting the app makes it angry !initially, it took like 1G instead of the 100M (without anything downloaded).now after only a couple days after deleting/reloading the app, it's up to 2G !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 27 July 2017 08:38 (seven years ago) link
how come alexa can understand voice commands when i ask it to play music on spotify but siri can't
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 July 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
DW much better of late until tonight when I got to the last three tracks of this week's playlist - and two of them were John Cage's In A Landscape! But - this has a happy ending - one of them is the one I know, the other was some crazy prepared harp version. Which is great. Thanks, Spotify. Thotify.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 28 July 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
hey Glenn, could you have one of your algorithms do a 150 most important female albums/singles list?
― niels, Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:03 (seven years ago) link
i imagine glenn clapping his hands twice and the little bits of code all perking up to attention
"now listen up!"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:06 (seven years ago) link
haha, that's also how I see it
this is kinda interesting btwhttps://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywgeek/why-spotify-lowered-the-volume-of-songs-and-ended-hegemonic-loudness
― niels, Sunday, 30 July 2017 09:55 (seven years ago) link
Artist gender (or even apparent non-binary vocal gender) is one of those things we don't really have in data yet, so even if I replace "important" with "popular" or "central" or something else computable, I can't currently produce a gender-filtered list in any automated way...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 July 2017 14:03 (seven years ago) link
(But -- don't tell the robots -- here's a personal list I've been making of a certain kind of thing from just this year: https://open.spotify.com/user/glennpmcdonald/playlist/1CmsHI9rh0ImWu2iQyObiA)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 July 2017 14:06 (seven years ago) link
Glenn, re my question upthread. Is there anyway to highlight albums only on a playlist i.e. so the NPR playlist https://open.spotify.com/user/openculturedotcom/playlist/54bpprOSA0Gkflr3oPOBkg displays 150 albums rather than the 1500+ tracks?
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 31 July 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
No, but I made a one-track-per-album version of that here: https://open.spotify.com/user/glennpmcdonald/playlist/2iSlRdLpIoAPbj6tJ43Xtk
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 31 July 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
xp ok thx glenn
― niels, Monday, 31 July 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
xpAh, shame. Would love a gallery view of an album only playlist. More inclined to use it to pick something from it rather than just a line of text.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 31 July 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
any plans on Spotify adopting MQA?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 July 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
heh, was just thinking about how glitches (presumably due to updates) in DW results in the same "discovery" turning up again and again
like a deja vu in the Matrix o_O
― niels, Friday, 18 August 2017 08:04 (seven years ago) link
It's shocking how many artists have posted public playlists! Most of my recent music discovery has come this way. I think there has been a kind of cultural shift among pop musicians to allow it, though. In the past, a lot of musicians seemed pretty cagey about reporting the music they listened to (in interviews, for example), preferring to make it seem as though their own genius had arisen completely sui generis. I'm happy so many are willing to share nowadays.
btw, am I missing something about how Daily Mixes work? You can "heart or hate" each individual track, which results in the disliked ones being dropped from the list, but since the liked tracks remain in the mix, and there is apparently no shuffle function, you end up listening to the same tracks over and over unless you scroll down the playlist far enough that unfamiliar tracks start appearing. Is the intended user behavior to just "prune" the list of disliked tracks and then listen to the remaining tracks in the same order over and over again?
― Dan I., Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
artist playlists are often done by the label, same as artists tweeting about tracks
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
(I mean, if it helps you discover music, that's great; it's just not a "cultural shift" so much as cross-promotion moving to a new platform)
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
Aw, I should have thought of that. Sure seems like some of them have the personal touch, though.
― Dan I., Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
No interest in Spotify, but the Samuel Jackson ad is funny. (Because it's Samuel Jackson--there's nothing beyond that.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 24 August 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
Daily Mixes change as you listen to them?
― niels, Thursday, 24 August 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
That is, all you need for them to change is listen to them
― niels, Thursday, 24 August 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
But I listen to them and when I go back later it seems to be almost all the same songs (minus the ones that I actively disliked)? Not in exactly the same order though, I was mistaken above. It looks like some new songs are added, but it's mostly all stuff that was in there to begin with. Do they get a big overhaul once per week like discover and radar?
― Dan I., Thursday, 24 August 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link
Just feel like maybe I'm using it wrong or am mistaken about what it's supposed to be
― Dan I., Thursday, 24 August 2017 22:52 (seven years ago) link
there seems to be an issue in the android app with the queue. When I select items in the queue and then scroll around, they get un-selected.
― Moodles, Friday, 25 August 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link
In the iPhone app, when I scroll to the bottom of a daily mix list, there's an option to load more songs.
― Brad C., Friday, 25 August 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link
xp re daily mix
― Brad C., Friday, 25 August 2017 00:43 (seven years ago) link
Glenn, just noticed that a bunch of Pharoah Sanders' classic albums are listed under Singles instead of Albums
― Moodles, Friday, 25 August 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link
Dan, that sound annoying - I don't rate the songs but ime once you start listening and it loads more songs the list changesalso if my listening habits change I get different kinds of lists
― niels, Friday, 25 August 2017 06:10 (seven years ago) link
It's shocking how many artists have posted public playlists!
spotify & artist managers encourage artists to do this - and it's fun and people really enjoy it. easy to fall behind though.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 25 August 2017 11:23 (seven years ago) link
got the wrong KING in my release radar this am
https://open.spotify.com/track/6YvyrLlTVMW7B9vllp11Af
also got the wrong stevie b in there a few weeks ago
https://open.spotify.com/album/7dm56Ix8VsU3wxjGWWYpBf
― maura, Friday, 25 August 2017 13:48 (seven years ago) link
there's a weird glitch in the elf kid artist entry too, an (awesome) unrelated malian band's latest record
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 August 2017 14:00 (seven years ago) link
Ha, I listened to that King track very briefly, was fairly confused about their new direction.
― Moodles, Friday, 25 August 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Ha! Just came here to post the KING fiasco.
but there's this in my Release Radar! Not sure what it is but it sure ain't ABRA:https://open.spotify.com/album/1waSktqN636A1pwqhnuUMZ
― Jeff W, Friday, 25 August 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Glenn can you cook up a "here are playlists by artists you dig" feature real quick, thanks
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 25 August 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
Just to say that not being able to 'add to queue' in the web player is a very strange UX decision.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 14 September 2017 11:38 (seven years ago) link
As is making users watch a spinning circle of dots for 15 minutes when they click on a playlist
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 15 September 2017 02:03 (seven years ago) link
That's ok, the roku app just got rid of playlists altogether
― Moodles, Friday, 15 September 2017 02:21 (seven years ago) link
Two spinners no less! One over the other but offset slightly. I do have six billion playlists tho.
― nashwan, Friday, 15 September 2017 08:47 (seven years ago) link
can't search by label anymore :(
― brimstead, Saturday, 16 September 2017 04:27 (seven years ago) link
Rhythm & Sound - S/T
noticed this today as well.
― beard papa, Saturday, 16 September 2017 06:37 (seven years ago) link
Worked for me just now...?
― DJI, Saturday, 16 September 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
whoop me too!
― brimstead, Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
So my paid-for-a-year subscription ran out about two months ago, I've not renewed yet, and what has amazed me ever since is the complete lack of anything-near-intelligent ads. I mean, I get execrable ads for "lazy Sunday" playlists, or for fucking Avicii's new ep. Both couldn't be farther from what I listen to. It's so completely off the money, pumping "LISTEN TO AVICII" to someone with my listening habits. It's off the chain. Yeah, I just listened to Liars, Microphones and Daisuke Miyakami, I *really* need some Avicii now...
Two options, here, really:
A) The ads are such abhorrent misfires because Spotify hopes to annoy me into a new subscriptionB) The "algorithm" hasn't a clue, is not used with ads at all, and is clueless.
I'm guessing it's the latter. "Lazy Sunday" lol.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:47 (seven years ago) link
Would love a dedicated portable Spotify device, I wonder if such a thing exists. There's the Mighty, but that seems pretty buggy/flawed https://bemighty.com/products/mighty
― stet, Monday, 18 September 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link
I'm considering getting a Bluetooth/Wi-Fi streaming box for my stereo so I can play spotify on my stereo without having to connect my phone directly to it. Of course, I wouldn't need to waste money on this if the roku app weren't completely hosed
― Moodles, Monday, 18 September 2017 14:55 (seven years ago) link
I use a Gramafon (https://gramofon.com) to connect to my existing amp+speakers. It works great.
Before that I had a Rocki (http://www.myrocki.com), which worked like crap and eventually exploded.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 September 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
ooh yeah, I'd forgotten about little streamers. I wonder if there's one I can use entirely without a smartphone (part of the goal here is to get apps out of my bedroom)
― stet, Monday, 18 September 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
We really should poll the most entitled posts in this thread
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 18 September 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
Meaning what exactly? I've been a premium subscriber since day 1, and I've watched the quality of once good apps steadily deteriorate. I really want to support spotify because I think it's great, but I'm frustrated th at the many elements of it that I've put time into are now broken.
― Moodles, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
Gramofon looks interesting although it gets mixed reviews. How is the sound and connection quality?
If I'm reading the details correctly, I think stet could use it to stream from the desktop app.
― Moodles, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
The Gramofon sounds fine, and stays connected. (The Rocki constantly disconnected from WiFi and had to be rebooted, even before exploding.)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
if Airplay worked properly on my Airport Express I'd use that, but :(
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
plenty of cheap bluetooth dongles on the market, quality varies but I know this one is decent so you needn't pay morehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/N-Logitech-Bluetooth-Audio-Adapter-for-Speakers-980-000910-/301357217458?epid=2173091400&hash=item462a4a36b2:g:UuEAAOSwDN1UQVWZ
if you're looking for a cheap wifi dongle I doubt anything beats the chromecast audio, but I'm sure the gramofon thing is cool
Would love a dedicated portable Spotify deviceyou can buy a cheap Android phone (a Motorola G4 or smth) and use it without a sim, DAC is sure to be better than the tiny iPod shuffle thingy, if you want it to only be able to use the Spotify app I imagine you can do that with a custom launcher or a kiosk app
― niels, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Chromecast Audios hooked up to my upstairs and downstairs stereo receivers are doing a good job playing Spotify as synchronized multi-room audio.
― Brad C., Monday, 18 September 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Amazon Echo works great for Spotify! I have a Dot hooked up to some speakers in my kids' room.
― DJI, Monday, 18 September 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
Does gramofon allow you to stream local files or only files in spotify library?
― Moodles, Monday, 18 September 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
You can play local files, but you have to use their oddball player to do it. It works, but I don't do it much.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:46 (seven years ago) link
what's the oddball player? my big goal is to stream from spotify on either my PC or phone to my stereo, including local files, what is a good device for that?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:23 (seven years ago) link
I use Apple TV and it works pretty well. Very much wish that I could also connect Spotify on my PC to the Apple TV but haven't found a good way to do that.
― tobo73, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:56 (seven years ago) link
I've been using a Cambridge Audio DAC for Bluetooth Spotify streaming for many years. The sound quality is vastly better than using the headphone jack, and barely discernible from CD. https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/hifi-and-home-cinema/dacmagic-100
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 08:15 (seven years ago) link
Chromecast Audio will do this, no?
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
I think maybe it would work if casting from the phone overall instead of specifically from spotify, but I'm not sure. From what I understand, spotify connect does not support local files.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
It's definitely confusing
Spotify Connect can't do anything with local files. One of the cool parts about Connect is that the Connect device is talking directly to Spotify, so you can turn off your phone or computer or whatever and the music keeps going. But thus no local files.
The Gramofon comes with an app called AllPlay Jukebox, however, which can stream from your phone's local music library directly to the Gramofon. I don't use it often, but it does work.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
From what I understand, spotify connect does not support local files.
I found the best solution was to dump my local files into a free Google Play Music account, which accepts up to 50,000 songs. The nice thing about that is that once you start streaming, you can turn off your computer/phone without interrupting the music. That'd work well with a Chromecast Audio.
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
2011 called
― calstars, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:09 (seven years ago) link
The point is to play local and spotify files together via the spotify app.
Anyway, after all this talk, I decided to go to Fry's and Best Buy to see what they had. I ended up buying a Rocketfish Bluetooth receiver for $50. Just hooked it up and it seems to do exactly what I was looking for. I'm currently playing my local files on my phone's spotify app and hearing them on my stereo, while simultaneously posting to this thread, also on my phone. The audio quality seems good to me, so barring any glitches or drop outs, I'm going to say mission accomplished.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link
Yep, I'm living the dream right now. This was far easier to set up and is working far better than I had thought possible
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link
My LG TV just did Spotify on its own, which was lovely, but Spotify killed that app "to improve the customer experience", so now I have to have the ipad go through chromecast via the wireless to the TV, so much more convenient
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 September 2017 01:45 (seven years ago) link
I don't get their strategy re: TV apps
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 September 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
feel like it's similar to DC comics wrt digital books
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:34 (seven years ago) link
Boil the Frog was on reddit front page yesterday.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 September 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
cool new feature where you are asked to sign in again and all your playlists have been wiped? anyone else?
it’s just possible that i hadn’t changed my payment details after i lost my card recently - tho thought i had. even so to lose about five/six years of playlists etc is p galling.
fragility of digital.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 September 2017 10:47 (seven years ago) link
There's a feature to restore playlists - under your account details somewhere.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:07 (seven years ago) link
yes, thanks, found it. unfortunately it’s throwing an error. going through a (fairly protracted) help chat process now.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:32 (seven years ago) link
still haven't found a manageable way of backing up playlists, I've got hundreds & would like to be able to automate it
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:54 (seven years ago) link
You can sort of do it with IFTTT - I've got a document in Google Drive that is periodically (automatically) updated when I add new playlists, and new tracks to other playlists. Kinda clumsy but it works.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 23 September 2017 12:15 (seven years ago) link
has anyone signed up for the Capital One credit card offer? they are running commercials on it. it doesn't sound like you need to be a new member just use your Quicksilver card and you get half off through April of next year.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
Have tried this IFTTT thing: it looks promising, but more than 48 hours after setting it up, it has yet to actually run and do anything, so I'm not optimistic.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
email subject line: "Remember Say My Name by Destiny's Child?"
really getting into the deep cuts here
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 29 September 2017 03:17 (seven years ago) link
(Your Time Capsule isn't supposed to be deep cuts...)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
oh, sure, I just thought it was funny
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Is the Time Capsule a one shot thing or does it update regularly?
― WilliamC, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
the algorithms do weird things, a friend of mine got MMMBop twice. He mostly just listens to trad folk and soul.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:45 (seven years ago) link
Maybe your friend hasn't been completely honest with you.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
(for me that part makes total sense -- I did a sunday pitchfork piece on the destiny's child album)
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Jesus, all the KMDFM in mine--WAY TOO REAL
― Dan I., Friday, 29 September 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
Mine seems to mainly be radio hits from 96-98.
― MarkoP, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
enh, there's a LOT of overlap between our lists and some other co-workers' and we all have v different listening habits
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
I'm guessing the way this works is that it looks at the most popular songs that you've listened to from a certain time period, which is determined by your date of birth. Though I'm still not sure if that's completely correct since my e-mail said "Enjoy 2 hours of the most memorable tracks from your teenage years", and there's quite a bit of early 90s stuff on there, which is before my teenage years.
― MarkoP, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
It has a mixture of things you've played and things from your youth (assuming you were honest about your birthdate) that are disproportionately popular with people of your age-group...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
my only potentially actionable request for future attempts at this sort of thing would be fewer tracks by the same artist and/or some way to keep out multiple release versions of the same track appearing on the same playlist
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Hmm... here are the first 10 artists in my time capsule:
Public Enemy, Front 242, Inspiral Carpets, Jane's Addiction, Pet Shop Boys, SL2, The Shamen, Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era, Urban Hype, Ministry
Yeah this thing pretty much has me pegged, even if the time scale is a little off (it stretches up through college for a lot of the rave stuff)
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
It even has a random REO Speedwagon song, which I know is there primarily because of listening I did for a cabaret show but is still a song I loved the hell out of when I was a kid.
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
ha mine are: Brotha Lynch Hung, Ghostface, Lost Boyz, 2 Pac, Mase, Three 6 Mafia, DMX, Mystikal, Outkast, Capone-n-Norega
― President Keyes, Friday, 29 September 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
thats beautiful. mines pretty similar
― Spottie, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link
it mostly just gave me a lot of emo which is amusing because I didn't listen to any when I was that age at all
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
faith no more, beastie boys, scarface, ice-t, dead milkmen, george michael, orbital, rob base, chubb roc, geto boysit's not WRONG but it feels kinda easy
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:52 (seven years ago) link
mine is very 80s heavy: The Cure, Talking Heads, Bauhaus, The Smiths and The Church. i loved that it picked up on my Boo Radleys crush and Spoon.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link
I can't figure out what mine is trying to get at. It's weirdly eclectic in a displeasing way. Did Glenn explain the algorithm upthread?
― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:29 (seven years ago) link
It has a mixture of things you've played and things from your youth (assuming you were honest about your birthdate) that are disproportionately popular with people of your age-group...― glenn mcdonald, Friday, September 29, 2017
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, September 29, 2017
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:29 (seven years ago) link
Ah, thanks
― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:31 (seven years ago) link
Mine is a very weird jumble of my songs and my wife's songs
― Moodles, Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:38 (seven years ago) link
my Spotify listening is very random so I was very curious about this.
Instead, I got a-ha, Bon Jovi, Kansas, Def Leppard, Wham!, "Bohemian Rhapsody", ad nauseum
uh, no thanks. more like "terrible high school flashbacks"
― sleeve, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
Mine's too McCartney-heavy, but it picked my favorite (by a mile) Heart song without me ever having played Heart on Spotify, so it gets points there. Range of 1968-1986, but heaviest on my high school years.
― WilliamC, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:30 (seven years ago) link
I lied about my birthday, so I'm curious what I'm going to get.
― pplains, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:25 (seven years ago) link
mine is actually pretty great! some of these are like...hmmm (two tracks from bubba sparxxx). i was born in 86 so a lot of 90s altrock and rap classics on it, but it does a pretty good job of getting my tastes from elementary school (selena and sheryl crow) to middle school (metallica and nirvana) to high school (radiohead) through college (kraftwerk and daft punk). the only real blind spot was the years i was pretty obsessed with my bloody valentine.
― Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:27 (seven years ago) link
mine is like the biggest most obvious commercial 80s pop ever, which is kind of otm? but leaves out all the faith no more and minor threat and sinead o'connor and robyn hitchcock and stuff like that. and all the techno and house. i don't use spotify to listen to that stuff, so i guess there's no way it could know.. but then again it did stick the cure in there and i NEVER listen to the cure so there is a bit of triangulation going on
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 September 2017 09:31 (seven years ago) link
Mine has Bronski Beat, EPMD and Tears for Fears, so it's all good.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 30 September 2017 12:19 (seven years ago) link
― WilliamC, Friday, September 29, 2017 10:41 AM (yesterday)
― WilliamC, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
I got a collection of "songs you have listened to on Spotify that are from the past". Only artist I actually listened to at the time is Ash - who appear twice, so good job there I guess.
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Saturday, 30 September 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
still kind of amazed at how terrible mine was
― sleeve, Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
It's a one-time thing.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 1 October 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
Mine is utter nonsense, especially considering I left school in 1999 and only one song dates from prior to then. Also, they are all terrible
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 1 October 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
mine was full of 90s rap and alt rock + "four horsemen" by metallica *thumb up*
― brimstead, Sunday, 1 October 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
Mine is an oil and vinegar mix of super-famous classic rock FM staples like "Hey Nineteen" and "Born To Run" mixed with New Wave/No Wave/Punk Rock songs I have listened to in the past few years. Something about this playlist algorithm bugs me more than any of the others, all of which I have found useful or rather figured out what was useful about them. It's like when someone who should know you better makes you into a low-dimensional caricature and won't let you defend yourself.
― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 October 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
actually i do listen to a shitload of grime and house on spotify. it's hard imagining the algorithm that would identify what 80s music that would translate to. impossible, maybe. but that is the task. in my case it's whodini and madonna and quiet riot and men without hats and bonnie tyler and lords of acid and ll cool j and guns n roses and ozzy osbourne and terence trent d'arby and huey lewis and lionel ritchie &&&&. madonna's the only one of that group to make the list.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 1 October 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
my adolescence resists algorithms, feel so punk
― ogmor, Sunday, 1 October 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Mine is great, but I've already playlisted 99% of it. It's a very nice mix of late 80s-early 90's, though. The only song on it I never sought is Corona by MInutemen - not my favorite genre, but cool song. May have heard it on a Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack or something.
― beard papa, Sunday, 1 October 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
I'm guessing this algorithm is more accurate the more nostalgic a person is.
― beard papa, Sunday, 1 October 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
The first half of mine looks a lot like my classic rock-flavored Daily Mixes -- a few deeper cuts, some I've pulled up/played before. The second half is a bunch of '70s AOR warhorses that I never need to hear again (I'm 56). Having said that, my Discover Weekly continues to get better and more interesting each week.
― Jeff Wright, Sunday, 1 October 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
in contrast to the Time Capsule, my weekly Discover list is dead on as usual - Michael Hurley, Moondog, Wire, and a bunch of older soul stuff that def reflects my Spotify usage
― sleeve, Sunday, 1 October 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
It's almost like they tried to mod out the other playlist algorithms such as DW and go in an orthogonal direction, but there were no more eigenvalues left.
― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 October 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
My Time Capsule is an entertaining mix but not representative of what I listened to in my teens or early 20s. It's heavy on Steely Dan, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Talking Heads and a variety of 70s classic rock singles, with a strong infusion of 60s jazz. Of these I only listened frequently to Talking Heads as a youngster, and I rarely play them now (though I did go through their discography on Spotify prior to the ILM poll).
― Brad C., Sunday, 1 October 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
What I assumed this would try to do is find music that you don't play much these days but might have played when younger. Obviously this is really hard to infer! But "music you listen to that is old" is kind of pointless.
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Sunday, 1 October 2017 20:53 (seven years ago) link
Not sure how people think this thing's going to literally hop in a time machine to see what you were actually listening to as a teenager. Obviously it can only infer based on your spotify listening habits (I mean, if you, like me were a teen before spotify existed).
Kind of proud of mine, weirdly. It's a good bunch of songs! https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1E4ZLmqw0AeGxr
― Dan I., Sunday, 1 October 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
Feel like it did hop in a time machine but went back to some other person's distorted conception of me- What Mad Universe-style- instead of the actual me.
― Two-Headed Shindog (Rad Tempo Player) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 October 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link
i think we can all agree that discover weekly remains a wonder of modern music listening. for real
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 October 2017 12:29 (seven years ago) link
^^^^ real talk
― stet, Monday, 2 October 2017 14:48 (seven years ago) link
cosign
― niels, Monday, 2 October 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
Hahaha mine is both fun and terrible but also otm... I think they pick songs that were hits in your country from age 10 to 15.
Mine has Ace of Base, Paradisio, Fey, a song from Shakira’s 1995 album, Cardigans - Lovefool, basket case, pretty fly dor a white guy, santeria, gettin jiggy wit it, short dick man, vengaboys, ode to my family, closing time... I don’t know how they do it but I do have very vivid memories with all of those terrible songs growing up.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 2 October 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
Other than some Maiden stuff that my kid has been listening to/learning on guitar, my Time Capsule list was pretty good. I've engaged in some nostalgic listening, though, so the algorithms probably had more to go on.
― DJI, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
regarding what i posted up-thread. edited my card on-flie to the Quicksilver card and got a $5 credit, so getting it now for half off.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 00:11 (seven years ago) link
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― Bee OK, Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:24 (seven years ago) link
How wondrous to live in the age of the celestial jukebox!
― Dan I., Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:29 (seven years ago) link
Huh, honestly had no clue until now that that phrase was commonly used--thought Mark S. made it up!
― Dan I., Thursday, 5 October 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link
This isn't a huge deal but recently I've noticed that the track timer sometimes stops working. Track plays fine but timer stays at at 0:00.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:56 (seven years ago) link
Does anyone else experience songs randomly getting removed from their library? It's been happening so long that I just take if for granted now, but it is a persistent mystery. I've got an IFTTT set up to save every song I manually add to the main "Songs" library while listening to a separate playlist (e.g. "Saved on Spotify")--so logically every song in that playlist should also appear in my "Songs", right? And they do, at first, but sooner or later a not-insignificant number of songs (at least 10%) in that "Saved on Spotify" playlist become unchecked, meaning that they've been removed from my "Songs" library--and I'm definitely not manually unchecking them.
I had assumed for a long time that this occurred because my "Songs" library had hit the 10,000 track limit, but it hasn't (it's at ~8,900), and anyway I have heard that when you do hit the 10k limit you get a pop-up message explicitly saying so, which I've never received.
It's not really a complaint, and I know opening a support request for this kind of thing would be fruitless anyway, I'm just wondering if this is a common thing that other people have experienced, or if I'm just some kinda weirdo
― Dan I., Thursday, 5 October 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
I see albums, especially from smaller indie labels, go unavailable all the time, and just assume it's that the track licensing goes wonky for a few months until someone pays up.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Thursday, 5 October 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
There is a setting, at least in the Windows and Android versions (with different wordings for some reason), where you can choose whether unavailable tracks should be hidden or visible (and grayed out).
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 5 October 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, that's not what's happening to me. For example, I saved La Bouche - Be My Lover (yeah, yeah, I know) four times over the last year, and three times it has become unchecked. I saved it an hour ago and it became unchecked just since then. It's not unavailable.
― Dan I., Thursday, 5 October 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Ah right sorry, I see now that's what you were saying. (It didn't quite register because I don't use that save functionality myself.)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 5 October 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link
https://www.spotify-strangerthings.com/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 October 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
also cool easter egg if you play on the website or desktop app and just let the playlist play for a few without touching the mouse
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 October 2017 21:09 (seven years ago) link
At the weekend I was trying to add to the queue mid-play & no matter how hard I tried, more than one time in ten I started playing the track instead of adding it. So much for being mr cool dj.
― Monogo doesn't socialise (ledge), Monday, 30 October 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
I realise I'm probably the only person here who uses Spotify a lot but still uses the free service, but has anyone else noticed recently the soundtrack to the ad that sits at the bottom of the page playing over the top of the track you're listening to? It's happened a couple of times to me in the last week.
― Jeff W, Monday, 30 October 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
That's definitely not supposed to happen! I've reported it to the ads team, I expect it will get fixed quickly...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
So the 2017 summaries are happening: 2017wrapped.com
Apparently my favourite genre is "mandible", which I had never heard of.82000 minutes of music listened to in 2017, which feels like some sort of achievement to put on the gravestone.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 06:55 (seven years ago) link
What is this "The Ones That Got Away" playlist that has appeared? It literally seems to be made of music I find revolting -- Fleet Foxes, Morrissey, Grizzly Bear etc.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 10:03 (seven years ago) link
Haha me too! Same artists. There's a reason I skipped these!!
Top Artists: Future, XTC, Talking Heads, Young Thug, Future IslandsTop Song: Future - I'm So Groovy; Future Ooooooh (Instrumental); Young Thug - Family Don't Matter; Christine And The Queens - Tilted; Future - Coming Out StrongTop Genre - Indie Rock
― FREEZE! FYI! (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 10:16 (seven years ago) link
Me too. Maybe it,s a paid-for promo thing? Loads of stuff I did not like.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 11:14 (seven years ago) link
songs:
meet me in the hallwaylate for the skyprohibited permissionswhen youre near me i have difficultybaby
artists:
r stevie moorerichard dawsonmac demarcothundercatsleaford mods
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 11:35 (seven years ago) link
baby by tei shi
My top genre is "chamber psych" which I had also never heard of but gives me a pretty neat and specific answer the next time someone asks what kind of music I like
― silverfish, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
mine is "neo-psychedelic" apparently
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
when asked to guess whether my fav genre this year was freak folk, noise pop, anti-folk, uk post punk or escape room I could only sigh
― ogmor, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
the genres in spotify are an embarrassment but they are at least joyfully demented
indietronica
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
I also got Indietronica. My top songs were all from Kendrick Lamar - DAMN.
Top artists:
18 Carat AffairKendrick LamarOneohtrix Point NeverMastodonNite Jewel
― Moodles, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
LOL, my 2018 goal is "refuse to act your age", i.e., "you have the musical taste of an elderly person".
I listened to 55K minutes of music, although I'm sure none of this counts time on the Spotify Roku app, which doesn't seem to tie to any Spotify activity.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
I also got "refuse to act my age".
I got this despite my number one artist being Katy Perry, which is listened to exclusively by my four year old daughter.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
I genuinely like "meet me in the hallway" but no way is it one of my most listened song in 2017
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
I assume "chamber psych" is a glenn-coined genre, and it's an awesome one.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
I think "refuse to act your age" means continue to refuse to act your age, ie you get it if you listen to music that skews algorhythmically younger than you
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
"unfortunately we don't have enough data about how you listened this year to serve you the full experience"?GLEEEENNNNNNNNN
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
lol you broke it
― sleeve, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
The song that I'm pretty is my actual most listened to song this year doesn't even seem to be on my list of top 100 songs, which seems odd.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
Anyways, my Top Artists areGASStars of the LidMobySteve RoachSigur Ros
Because this was the year that I listened to a lot of music while asleep.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
I figured people were posting in this thread to discuss this thing:https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-problem-with-muzak-pelly
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
Points include:- Branded playlists from the likes of Nike featuring songs from artists without their permission and with no additional artist compensation- Their interface purposely dissuading users away from albums and how they consider playlists their "product"- Quid pro quo between spotify liasons and major labels- Joining forces with Vinyl Me Please
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
The company could be worth $20 billion by next year, when it will likely be listed on the New York Stock Exchange. According to Reuters, Spotify plans to file its intention of a public offering with U.S. regulators before the end of this calendar year and to go public in the first or second quarter of 2018. Bloomberg reports that it recently hired Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, and Allen & Co. to “assess its options.”
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
the thing about that piece is, everyone uses metrics. it isn't just a Spotify thing. terrestrial radio has had terrifying amounts of fine-grained metrics for a long time now.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
(plus, there's the parallel problem -- metrics don't come out of nowhere. a skip rate means people genuinely do not want to hear a song. and just about every study corroborates what shows up in the metrics: listeners dislike unfamiliar music and will take active steps not to listen to it. (there's a parallel here with pageviews -- you can build your blog posts on your favorite artist with 50 youtube views, but they will likely not come.)
which, obviously, is very bleak if you care about this sort of thing. but it also happens consistently.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
Correct, and for similar reasons this is why radio sounds so terrible now (more so than usual).
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
It was not uncommon 10-20 years ago for radio stations to sneak in their own local hits that music directors felt strongly about even if they weren't charting and emphasis on data-based curation leaves no room for good songs chosen by humans. The best example I can think of at the moment is <i>EMOTION</i>, which afaict is a phenomenon within my extended circle. Seems kind of unacceptable for an album like that to not generate multiple charting hits. It also makes no sense that hiphop songs hitting #1 no longer indicate whether they'll crossover to Top 40 stations.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
ok, but you're making the same mistake I just mentioned. "data-based curation" is an aggregate of decisions made by humans. it was humans that decided to turn off Carly Rae Jepsen when she showed up on the radio or playlist or whatever. nor is it a simple payola thing -- clear channel, for instance, has promoted plenty of songs via "On the Verge" payola, only to find those songs basically plummet off the charts once they stop forcing them.
hip-hop songs hitting #1 is a separate, but related phenomenon -- it turns out that when you aggregate the unconscious decisions made by humans, a lot of them are racist, and then you get stations cutting the Snoop verse off "California Gurls."
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/2sLSeJW.png
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
lol @ that Hilary Duff song, which I'm actually listening to again right now. I never heard it when it was new, but I'm not surprised it's in my top 2017 listens.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
that article is p hilarious
It all appears limitless, a function of the platform’s infinite supply, but in reality it is tightly controlled by Spotify’s staff and dictated by the interests of major labels, brands, and other cash-rich businesses who have gamed the system....Spotify loves “chill” playlists: they’re the purest distillation of its ambition to turn all music into emotional wallpaper....“Piano in the Background” is one of the most aptly titled; “in the background” could be added to the majority of Spotify playlists....It turns out that playlists have spawned a new type of music listener, one who thinks less about the artist or album they are seeking out, and instead connects with emotions, moods and activities, where they just pick a playlist and let it roll: “Chillin’ On a Dirt Road,” “License to Chill,” “Cinematic Chill Out.” They’re all there....These algorithmically designed playlists, in other words, have seized on an audience of distracted, perhaps overworked, or anxious listeners whose stress-filled clicks now generate anesthetized, algorithmically designed playlists. One independent label owner I spoke with has watched his records’ physical and digital sales decline week by week. He’s trying to play ball with the platform by pitching playlists, to varying effect. “The more vanilla the release, the better it works for Spotify. If it’s challenging music? Nah,” he says, telling me about all of the experimental, noise, and comparatively aggressive music on his label that goes unheard on the platform....In the past, if a music shop ordered copies of a record, independent labels could do simple things—like send thank-you notes....In its quest for total power and control, Spotify has prioritized its own content, and it has made it notably more difficult to find albums rather than playlists....And what will become of music criticism in a world without records? Will publications review discovery feeds and write profiles of playlists? What good will criticism be when all of music has coalesced into algorithmically preordained Muzak?
― niels, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
xp Yeah I agree with all of this. "Chosen by humans" was intended as "chosen by human music directors."
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Some of the phrases and word choices are unnecessarily dramatic, but I kinda agree with the article although iHeartRadio is a larger threat at the moment.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
One who thinks less about the artist or album they are seeking out, and instead connects with emotions, moods and activities
Pure Moods, even.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
I agree with much of it, I just don't agree that if Real Humans were magically given the power to choose what they want to listen to, that they would gravitate to something other than 100 repeats of Ed Sheeran. (it's possible, for instance, to use Spotify to discover weird and unusual and experimental music -- I do it all the time. it just requires a lot of effort and false starts.)
and, for that matter, Real Humans can have genuine emotional experiences in response to "fake artists." if you plug any of the artists on whichever list is floating around now into YouTube you find people covering them, making music videos, setting poetry to them. people collect library music; this is not really that different.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
I'm sad that Spotify has de-emphasized their customers' playlists. If you browse at this point, there are basically only Spotify-generated playlists. This reinforces the idea that Spotify is trying to be the only gatekeeper for labels/artists, and it's not a good look. I guess there's maybe room for other sites to try and create a more crowdsourced/social side of Spotify (witness noonpacific.com, for example), but it's lame that Spotify itself and the Spotify apps have almost completely hidden user-curated playlists and hasn't tried to leverage all of their users. I'd love to be able to seed the ML algorithms with a set of my friends' play history, for example.
I mean, sure, most people are just looking for chill wallpaper, or music to fall asleep to, but I think they have that shit covered at this point.
― DJI, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
OTM katherine. I've spent the year exploring Iranian and Azeri classical music, most of which I can't find from any other source, save ordering directly from those countries.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
pvmic i suppose but i've been keeping these up all year if you haven't noticed:Listening to ILX Listen: 2017 Genre Thread Spotify Playlists
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
It turns out that playlists have spawned a new type of music listener, one who thinks less about the artist or album they are seeking out, and instead connects with emotions, moods and activities
society is in the gutter
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
anyway my #1 genre is Chamber Psych which maybe and #2 is Fluxwork which is maybe what Spotify calls techno* albums thread for people who are clearly doing it wrong"
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
I didn't realise I listened to the HAIM album so much
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
I've made many playlists that are based more around musical moods than being about particular artist's personalities. Don't know what's objectionable about spotify also doing this, although I'd prefer to listen to my own lists or lists by other ILXors.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:57 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hasnt it always been this way for a while though? Now it's just easier to throw it all on a list. I used to make mix CDs in the mid-late 90s that were for specific moods or w/e.
― competitive shooter - - - - (Spottie), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Yes but also moods/activities are personal individual experiences. A sad song for one person could be a happy song for another. Why do we need so many automated options that remove the experience of putting together a mix of songs?
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
I don't think most casual music listeners know enough songs to put together a mix of songs for a particular mood
These playlists aren't for people who post on music message boards
― silverfish, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
193,882 minutes in 2017, and Raffi was my top artist because there are still aspects of spotify that are a failure.
― crocus bulbotuber (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link
can we all just agree that vinyl me please is extremely fuckin corny
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
(it is)
Are people genuinely finding it hard to discover new, challenging music? That seems mad.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:37 (seven years ago) link
My mood in 2017 was mellow gold. Good to know.
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:11 (seven years ago) link
as an apple music user i feel very left out of this fun :(
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
And yes, Vinyl Me please is corny as hell, though I'll admit that I've clicked on a few of their articles that pop up on my fb as sponsored posts
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
It makes me very happy when somebody's top genre is one I named. Mandible, fluxwork, chamber psych! Mellow gold, sorta. But the fact that it's your #1 genre (which means you listened to a bunch of artists we think belong to that cluster) is evidence for the idea that it's a thing. I do sometimes make up names, but I don't make up the music or the listening patterns.
And if you didn't notice that the genres in that thing are links, you can always find them on everynoise.com...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 03:30 (seven years ago) link
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Not-enough-data-for-Wrapped-2017-playlist/td-p/3638076^this worked btw, probably worth fixing?
68k minutes, 6360 songs, 2659 artiststop artist was apparently E.T. Mensah and the Tempos, fave song was Duane Pitre's 'Bayou Electric'... which given that the song is 48 minutes suggests it's working off total time, not plays.so the artist i listened to most had his big hits in 50's and 60's West Africa and the song i listened to most was a new age soundscape from 2015; cutting edge there.on the other hand, my top genres are "pop rap, rap, indie r&b, hip hop and 'escape room'" lol
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:14 (seven years ago) link
one of my "resolutions" was "keep paying for spotify!" c'mon now
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:17 (seven years ago) link
one of my top genres was "escape room" as well, and after doing a couple minutes of sleuthing i figured out an ilxor was behind it:
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah, i think we cracked that one last year on this same thread! Glenn is creative.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:50 (seven years ago) link
my top genre was called "indie rock". I'll have what glenn's having!
― crocus bulbotuber (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 04:56 (seven years ago) link
Listening to the mandible playlist of 400-odd songs definitely confirms it is my thing, I was just startled by the name
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 05:26 (seven years ago) link
Not that I have listened to all 400, but you know what I mean
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 05:28 (seven years ago) link
I see the ones that got away (ugh) but where are you seeing Top Genres. Website? Email?
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 05:57 (seven years ago) link
Guess it’s an email but don’t see it yet. Did notice a two-week old email from Spotify Research I had previously overlooked and clicked on the link which had expired.
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 06:03 (seven years ago) link
Go to 2017wrapped.com
― Moodles, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 06:34 (seven years ago) link
My phone provider gave me free Apple Music with free data this year so I've only logged 12k minutes of spotify listening. Can't quite remember my reason for continuing to pay for it. Seems I still favour Alternative Rock and the new JAMC album not being shit was a big factor in my most listened artists/songs.
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
If Spotify mentions some genre that I've never heard of, that sounds made up, I just assume Glenn came up with it.
Unless he comes in here and says that he didn't come up with the term Metropopolis.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
Metropopolis was the beginning...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Mondeopopolis
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
Popyourdopolis
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
george popotimismopoulos
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
i think the article does an impressive job of laying bare the incentives powering the industry along at the moment and suggesting how that could accelerate some not-always-great changes. and it doesn't just breathlessly imply idiotic stuff like "streaming gives the music industry data for the first time!!" as some other articles lately have come dangerously close to doing.
i have seen some articles in the past few months saying that iheartmedia is in trouble financially and may not be able to operate anymore within a few years? does anyone who knows anything about business/corporate blahblah know if this would have any serious implications as to how radio operates if true?
― dyl, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
2017wrapped.com, fun but inaccurate. It had Voivod as my #1 artist, but I never even played them on Spotify! I bought the reissue CDs and played those. Also, I probably ran Spotify 14 hours since yesterday, but the # minutes never changed.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 7 December 2017 07:24 (seven years ago) link
The Wrapped list seemed not to take into account some (or all?) of the listening I did to music that had been saved to my phone. I've noticed that when I look at my queue/history on my laptop it tends to only reflect bits of what I've streamed on the phone, too.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link
Fastnbulbous, the Wrapped thing doesn't involve any guessing, so if it says Voivod, then your Spotify account definitely played them during 2017. Whether you were listening when it did, we can't tell!
The data for it is a static snapshot as of a little while ago, sadly, so it won't update with your listening from the rest of the year. I wish it did, but that would make the project much harder.
The queue-sharing issues are independent of the underlying listening history, which as far as I *know* has no systemic issues. I think the only way we wouldn't know about something you played offline is if you wiped the app or the phone after listening but before going back online again.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
I'm puzzled at its insistence that 'indie Rock' is my most listened-to genre when very little in my top 100 would qualify save for maybe a handful of songs. I listened to Future Islands a bit, and a Camera Obscura song I like a few times but mostly it's other styles. Was also consistently bamboozled at the Discover Weekly telling me I had to listen to things like Grizzly Bear and the National and other indie rock fare which I really dislike, and never any trap or afrobeat or dancehall or even house and techno which make a big part of my listening these days. What have I been doing wrong?
― FREEZE! FYI! (dog latin), Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
I dunno but my Tom Petty binge really screwed up my algorithms, that's for sure. note that you can slap an "I don't like this artist" tag onto particularly objectionable suggestions.
― sleeve, Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
thanks to an assignment from whiney the chainsmokers are on my most played list :(
― maura, Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
THREE TIMES :( :( :(
i mean spotify isn't the only place i listen to music so i knew this was going to be imperfect
but still
has any1 herd ov 2017wrapped.com
― infinity (∞), Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Thanks to my nutso kids listening to their Echo Dot, Boss Fight is my favorite band. I went and created another Spotify account on my family plan for all of the Echos.
― DJI, Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
do what you got to do
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Thursday, 7 December 2017 23:24 (seven years ago) link
My DW is completely dictated by my nutso 15-year-old. I don’t want to pay for a second acct for him. What oh what can a guy do?
― tobo73, Friday, 8 December 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link
Dog Latin, make a playlist with several examples of each of those genres, turn on repeat and hit play. Leave this playing on your laptop / phone overnight. I think playlists have the most impact on your DW reccs but I don’t know for sure.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 8 December 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link
I mainly enjoy listening to my friends' lists, so is there anyway I can follow them without them and have them be identifiable, rather than all called "Your Top 100 Songs 2017"? I mean, I made individual empty playlists and copied my friends' playlists in and retitled them... but can Spotify save me those 8 clicks.
Also yes, one of my resolutions was "Keeping buying premium!" which reminded me of that "Keep gaming... it means keep gambling" bit in The Simpsons episode where Springfield builds the casino.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 8 December 2017 08:26 (seven years ago) link
Love to see artists link to (Your) Release Radar with "Hey everyone check my new track on this amazing playlist" or whatever.
― Andy K, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link
probably a mistake, but it's almost smart in a roundabout way -- anyone who clicks a "check out my new track" from an artist is likely to be a fan who's listened to them before, and anyone who does the three-point turn of loading spotify from a spotify URL probably has an account already
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
Good news! Turned on the Spotify Roku app today and got a message saying it would be temporarily offline starting Friday as they are working on rolling out a new app. I had thought that they basically gave up on Roku, so I'm pleasantly surprised that an improvement is in the works. There's a ton that could be better about the Roku app, I really hope this makes a positive difference.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
roku needs to get on the ball imo
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
Think this is more up to spotify than roku
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
nevertheless
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
Is there a Spotify app on Apple TV?
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
no but you can airstream the audio from your phone through it
― Spottie, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/user/ulyssestone/playlist/54hZLPMDWjHVpCi9eJtUPB^^seems ECM have now heard of Spotify!
― niels, Saturday, 30 December 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
oh hell yeah
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 30 December 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Monday, June 5, 2017 10:12 PM (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Good old "Video Life" by Spedding appears yet again in my Discover Weekly as it veers increasingly away from anything I would like to discover.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
Technical Question, maybe Glenn knows - if I sync 30 albums offline and then Un-sync them, does the app then (or eventually) release that used space on the device? I don’t think it used to but maybe the app has evolved ?
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
Today I heard that if you download a playlist to your phone, Spotify will continue to stream it (bypassing the download and using your data allowance) unless you make a point of taking the app offline.
This sounds wrong to me but appears to be confirmed here:
Thanks! If the app isn't set to Offline from the settings, it'll continue to stream songs, instead of reading them from the cache /BH— SpotifyCares (@SpotifyCares) September 22, 2017
If so this is a very recent change, right? It's insane.
― Matt DC, Friday, 5 January 2018 10:20 (six years ago) link
hmm i've been listening to lots of downloaded playlists in the past few weeks and not used any data
― nxd, Friday, 5 January 2018 10:32 (six years ago) link
i wonder if that's a kludge to make stats easier to calculate for royalty payments?? i.e. what is the definition of a "stream" vs a "download" and do artists get paid differently?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 10:47 (six years ago) link
"artists"
i mean i doubt it, but.. struggling to think of another reason
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 11:01 (six years ago) link
that really doesn't make any sense though
― niels, Friday, 5 January 2018 12:46 (six years ago) link
i just mean from an accounting standpoint maybe it's easier to track streams than plays from cache.. probably not though
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link
oh yes and also i was wondering if there's legal language in royalty contracts that differentiates between "streams" and "downloads" and if there's an incentive for spotify to favour the former over the latter
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link
There's no royalty difference between online and offline streams, and the information we track is the same for both. Offline streams just don't get counted until the client reconnects and sends the info from the last offline session.
I don't have any insight into the specific question about data-usage for cached tracks while online, sorry...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 5 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
another conspiracy theory bites the dust
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
On the face of it that statement is nuts.
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
just the phrase "offline stream" is making my head hurt tbh
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
Sorry, internally we use "stream" to refer to the act of a listener causing a song to be played. But whatever you call this, it's treated the same for record-keeping and royalty-paying whether it happens online or offline.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
tempted to start a new thread for this
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/spotifys-fatal-flaw-exposed-how-my-closed-door-meeting_us_5a512262e4b0cd114bdb33cd
^^ original dead link for article
https://thetrichordist.com/2018/01/08/the-slippery-slope-of-censorship-huffpost-pulls-story-critical-of-spotify-ahead-of-ipo/
― Milton Parker, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
I was a vocal participant in the meeting, and when it was over I found myself surrounded by several Spotify executives. One said, “Blake, I just don’t think you understand, our users love our product because it’s such an amazing one.” Another added, “You have to look past just numbers, our product is so great it’s actually turning the industry around.” This went on for a while, until I finally said to one of the executives, “You keep using that word, ‘product.’ I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m really asking you: what do you think your product is?”
The executive was surprised. He stared at me blankly and said, “What do you mean? Our product is Spotify.”
There it was. It was a shocking admission to me, in earshot of everyone, and one he obviously didn’t think was an admission at all.
“No no…sorry,” I said, shaking my head in disbelief. “Your product isn’t ‘Spotify.’” He continued to stare at me. I said, “Sir, your product is music.” The emboldened musicians standing around us started laughing. The exec smiled and backed away, “Well okay, if you’re going to be like that.”
― Milton Parker, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
that's not a very good article
there is a reason spotify is as successful as it is, and it's not because they sell "music" the way starbucks sells "coffee"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
obv Spotify is a product, just like the iPod was, or the record player - that it stands in a different relation to the content it provides is also obv
― niels, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:35 (six years ago) link
it might be more like a department store. the products are produced by others, but how do you feel when you're in there? how do you discover what's available? how useful is it as a place to get stuff you knew - and stuff you didn't know you wanted? the great department stores are the best at this. there are even subsidies from the brands, who will set up their own little corners etc.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
i just kicked a spotify exec out of my meeting for calling his product an app
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
It's an awful article, written in an awful tone of voice.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
Spotify = Walmart
― WilliamC, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
“No no…sorry,” I said, shaking my giant head full of ethics knowledge in disbelief. “Your product isn’t ‘Spotify.’” He continued to stare at me in amazement. I said, “Sir, your product is music.” The emboldened musicians standing around us started laughing, high fiving, and cheering my name. The exec smiled and backed away, “Well okay, if you’re going to be like that.” He retreated, stepping on the meeting room's carpet rake so that the handle then struck his face.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
lmao
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
anyway, the last spotify complaint was about how spotify made stuff and shouldn't. in this new spotify complaint, guy is sanctimonious about spotify apparently not making stuff.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
as if it would all be ok if they made kirkland brand trap
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
author is definitely more than a little full of himself, and the execs are rendered as cartoons. in my experience, though, these people often are walking cartoons, and allowing a rebuttal would have been a better idea than killing the original editorial.
many of you non-art zoyd & thinking plague & heldon & wadada leo smith fans will shrug, but not unrelated: http://downbeat.com/news/detail/cuneiform-records-on-hiatus-in-20181
― Milton Parker, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
what if... you are the product
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link
(the entire internet dies of having its mind blown)
I enjoyed the bit about the selfless starbucks executives, wondering how they can increase the market share of coffee, market penetration of coffee, push coffee into new territories...
― Here comes the phantom menace (ledge), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 09:01 (six years ago) link
i sure would like some product right about now (the funk soul brother)
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 09:43 (six years ago) link
christ the tone of that is like those Tumblr posts that end with "and when the executive started to cry the musicians were so amazed that they all shook me by the hand and one of them gave me $100 and a new Xbox and said I could come on tour with them any time"
― stet, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
imo Spotify should follow the Netflix model and get a bunch of broken-up bands back together to record exclusive albums. The Beatles, maybe?
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
Or lock up some a-list podcasters / radio dudes who want to make a few bucks on a platform to augment their patreon and Merch revenue
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
Is there any way for Spotify to notify me whenever certain artists release a new track or album? I figured that following certain artists might do this somehow, but if it does, I am not seeing it.
― iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:52 (six years ago) link
They used to ping you with notifications, but now it seems like the Release Radar is the best way. I follow a ton of artists and as far as I can tell, they show up in my Release Radar each Friday. I have to do the extra step of clicking on the release to find out it's a track or a full album.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 13 January 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
for Windows users the Toastify app may be of interest
I use it for three shortcuts:alt+shift+enter = play/pausealt+shift+left = previousalt+shift+right = next
but it can do a lot more if you like
https://toastify.codeplex.com/
― niels, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
Why are these Spotify buttons so unresponsive? If I don't click on them from just the right position, they don't respond. If I click on the controls from a spot that would work with just about any other application or website, no luck.
― Salt Lake City Motorcycle Accident Nerve Damage Lawyer (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:05 (six years ago) link
Some day people will be laughing their heads off at the corny Spotify playlist names and graphics (more universally than they are apparently doing now).
― Salt Lake City Motorcycle Accident Nerve Damage Lawyer (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
more universally eh
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 21 January 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
My account has been hacked! Received an email 1 hour ago informing me of an email address change and now I cannot access the account.
I am very afraid that whoever has hacked it will be deleting the playlists. If they are still available could a kind ilxor do a backup while I await Spotify support? My username is betamaxdk
Dammit!!!!
― niels, Monday, 29 January 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
Spotify support have responded quickly, thankfully the account is now secured
Googling the email used to hack my account led me to a very unsympathetic site that basically posts account info for hacked accounts
All I can say is fuck you willsmit372 you fucking idiot
and thank you Spotify support!
― niels, Monday, 29 January 2018 07:08 (six years ago) link
and to think the idiot used my account to stream fucking ed sheeran
― niels, Monday, 29 January 2018 07:11 (six years ago) link
now your spotify smells like him
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 29 January 2018 08:42 (six years ago) link
>:(
― niels, Monday, 29 January 2018 09:22 (six years ago) link
I hear Sheeran junkies will do anything to get their fix
― President Keyes, Monday, 29 January 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
Spotify is good for listening to ILX top 77 lists!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
Will someone please buy some Doug Hream Blunt records so my Discover Weekly will stop trying to force them on me?
It's all that and limp-wristed neo-psychedelia. Which is neither new, nor remotely psychedelic.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
https://app.jqbx.fm
this can be kinda fun
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
https://app.jqbx.fm/room/ilxorlet's test drive
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, January 8, 2018 9:45 PM (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
:-) glad that one reached its target
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/2/5/16974194/spotify-recommendation-algorithm-playlist-hack-nelson
― DJI, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
I am not going to give Nelson all of the access to my account that it wants, but the link to the API documentation has me wanting to play with that a little bit more. I've been wishing for more granular searching for a long time. I don't even think you can do boolean searching combining things like label, genre, and year from within the app any more.
― beard papa, Monday, 5 February 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
I tried label:"paper recordings" year:2017 and it seemed to work in the app.
― DJI, Monday, 5 February 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I don't know recall what I had trouble with. Glad to see it still works. This developer site is still very interesting. I don't know what I would use it for, but I definitely want to play with this.
― beard papa, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
discover weekly has been really useless lately :( too much old stuff! why would i want to listen to the police
― maura, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
I've been ruthlessly clicking on "I Don't Like This Artist" and my Discover has split into two versions, one that's pretty dialed in to my ambient/electronic preferences, and one that's still desperately trying to make sense of the time I played a bunch of Tom Petty songs.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
seems like every week for the last 3 or 4 months that release radar has been giving me a new Fleetwood Mac demo. I guess that these are technically new releases, but this is not what I want from that playlist.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
After months of training I've found Discovery to be reasonable at giving me disco-y electronica and krautrocky techno. Release Radar giving me Rolling Stones demos is egregious though.
― e-woke (NotEnough), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
Thanks to Discover I now know that there is more of The "classical" music you buy from Boomkat (2010): a thread to discuss Sylvain Chauveau, Johann Johannsson, Peter Broderick, Olafur Arnalds and others than one could ever possibly hope to listen to in a lifetime.
― lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
I've been ruthlessly clicking on "I Don't Like This Artist"
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
pretty sure it's a right click or a button on the individual song that gives you choices? I'll report back when I get a chance to look at home.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
yeah, please do; it doesn't work that way for me.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
I'm also using some older version fwiw
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
OK I'm using Version 1.0.73.345.g6c9971ef
When I open Discover Weekly on a MacBook, and hover my cursor over a track, it shows a "heart" and a "null sign" icon on the right side of the row with the song details. If you click on the null icon (really a circle w/a slash through it) you can choose either "I don't like this song" or "I don't like this artist"
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
huh, i'm actually on an older version. Will check it out.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
Same version and I don't get that option.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 07:50 (six years ago) link
beta testing it - https://mashable.com/2017/12/04/spotify-discover-weekly-like-dislike-test/#8ykY4l00gsq8
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 07:53 (six years ago) link
Ugh. Spotify on my mac has become completely useless. It takes about 5 minutes for it to start up. I've already disabled the "social" right sidebar, which I thought was the problem. No dice. Latest version and everything else runs smoothly. Spotify can't seem to wake up. Resorting to the webplayer but that's a very limited experience.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 10:58 (six years ago) link
did you try reinstalling? find it unlikely that one of the world's most popular apps would be universally slow on a major OS
― niels, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 11:10 (six years ago) link
xps milo that's very interesting, thanks! now I feel special, like a Nielsen family or something.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link
I have the same takes-forever start up experience running on Ubuntu.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link
Just checked on my MB Air. 10 seconds from clicking the icon to music playing.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
Updated phone and Spotify won't read my SD card who do I kill
― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
yeah the desktop version on my mac is so awful.
― Heez, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
It's universally slow on ALL major OSes: the PC desktop version takes forever to get going properly, too
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 8 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
Nothing unlikely about world's most popular things being slow/stupid/inept tbh, it's the norm rather than the exception iirc. We put up with it, that's the real problem here.
Yes, I tried reinstalling -_- Tried everything. It's just so fucking slow (and indeed, on Windows as well).
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
My Windows 10 laptop often can't cope with Spotify auto-starting when powering up; it's already got quite enough to do. Disabling the auto-start and opening Spotify when things have settled down a bit helps. But yes, it's still slow to start.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 8 February 2018 11:24 (six years ago) link
I will never complain about spotify againI will never complain about spotify againI will never complain about spotify again
Pox on me: Last night, *while listening*, everything suddenly stopped: I'd been thrown out of my account. Someone broke in and changed the e-mail address, just like Niels experienced (up in this thread somewhere). Nothing but love for Spotify support for being on the case and swiftly giving me my account back. And most importantly, no playlists were deleted, and no Ed Sheeran was played in my brief absence.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 February 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
the desktop experience in Spotify is lacking, but when I consider that the most viable alternative would require me to use iTunes, it's hard to complain too much.
― fffv, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
I'm thinking about switching back to spotify from apple music, since I can get a student discount and pay $5/mo for spotify AND hulu. Any interesting new features from spotify? Is adding local music any less painful?
― musically, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
$5/mo for spotify AND hulu
Holy good deal, Batman!
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 17 February 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
so it seems like it won't let me sync my local files to my phone anymore. Is this an issue or is this simply not supported now?
― Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 06:58 (six years ago) link
also, a couple of annoying changes I noticed on the desktop app:
1. You no longer can import playlists.2. No way to sort local files by date added.
― Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 07:18 (six years ago) link
I synced some local files to my phone last night with no problem at all. Importing playlists also still works for me, as long as it's MP3s in the playlists - I was flummoxed by this for a while recently, until I realised I was trying to synch WAVs.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
I figured out the local file sync problem. Had to dig into the advanced settings on Windows Defender. I found that somehow there were inbound connection rules set that blocked spotify. Don't know how that happened, spotify was the only app that had a block rule on it.
― Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
it would be great if discover weekly had an 'i know this band already' option because i by no means *dislike* tom petty and the heartbreakers and lindsey buckingham, but i don't need to be made aware of their existence
― maura, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
agreed, that would be great
― sleeve, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Ha, likewise wish I could tell Release Radar that, while I might love the music that a band made in their prime decades ago, I have no interest in their geriatric reunion album
― Dan I., Monday, 19 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
This is the third week running where Release Radar has given me pretty much the same artists in pretty much the same order, just different tracks from the album. Also opens with Jimi Hendrix each week for mysterious reasons
― stet, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
Now that I've fixed the problem on my pc with the firewall blocking Spotify on my phone, it seems like local files and offline playlists are working a lot better than they had been before I had this issue.
― Moodles, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
xp hendrix, hmm. if it were full of phish and umphrey's mcgee, I'd guess that someone is jammin your release radar.
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 February 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
mine also starts with Hendrix
― President Keyes, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
Mine starts with Hendrix too!
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
As does mine, Lover Man to be precise. On the upside new stuff from Janelle Monae, Aidan Moffatt, DJ Q, Alexis Taylor and Wye Oak. Amazingly something 'new' from Mel & Kim too,
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
When I type "future" into the search bar, the top suggestion is Future Islands, not Future, even though Future (obviously) gets way more streams (including by me specifically). What's up with that?
― Simon H., Friday, 23 February 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
Spotify thinks that because I like Jonas Reinhardt, I will also like the Jonas Brothers.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
As does mine, Lover Man to be precise.
same here
― WilliamC, Friday, 23 February 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
Oh yep, Lover Man it is for me too
― stet, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
Yes, this morning “Lover Man” replaced last week’s number one RR track by the same artist, “Hear My Train a Comin’”
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 February 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
how much did the Hendrix estate pay for this, I wonder
― sleeve, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
Apologies for noob question, but I thought the kind posters on here might be able to help me out. I have many playlists, including many fine ilx top 77 playlists etc. I want to shuffle all playlists (ie whole library). Is there a way of doing that?
― glumdalclitch, Saturday, 24 February 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
It used to be seamlessly possible in earlier versions (although, having tried it a few times, I stopped doing it, as it didn't make for a very satisfying listening experience). You can still do it now, by creating a playlist folder, moving all playlists into it, then playing the folder on shuffle.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 February 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
Thanks mike. I'm laboriously moving everything into an 'All playlist' folder, one by one (can't move in batch, it looks like). And then in that folder I can of course play each playlist individually, so it doesn't look like there's a downside?
― glumdalclitch, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:06 (six years ago) link
It might be easier to just create a new playlist and copy and paste all tracks from all other playlists into that one playlist.
― nashwan, Saturday, 24 February 2018 12:26 (six years ago) link
They took away the option of shuffling within folders.
I used to make loads of playlists and put them inside folders, and then shuffle the folder - but that’s kaput. Maybe you can still do that on desktop but I rarely listen to Spotify through my computer.
Also the only way you can move a whole playlist (as opposed to an album or song), is by copy/pasting via the desktop version. You can’t copy a full playlist into another playlist on the mobile app.
These are two sad facts that make my Spotify experience very irritating.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 24 February 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
my two cents:just cancelled my premium account and got back to flac'ing on soulseek. spotify was fun for a while, but i just ended up listening to lots of guilty pleasures and songs i'd long forgotten about because they were immediately available. then again, i have that at my disposable via youtube -- without paying ten pounds a month. disposable culture!spotify's okay for radio. curating a digital collection with it is useless. artists can remove access to songs at any time. i've just had whole albums disappear sometimes.
― meaulnes, Saturday, 24 February 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
You can still shuffle within folders, but only from the desktop app. If you want to shuffle a folder on your phone you need to kick it off from the desktop app and then connect to your phone.
― Moodles, Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
xp without paying ten pounds or any bills for anyone that makes something you love
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 24 February 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
Okay, I understand that many people don't get how seemingly non-random a truly random playlist can be, but right now it's very, very obvious that the shuffle function has adopted some element of adaptation, or "guided listening", or whatever. When I the first track I listen to on a 10,000 track playlist happens to be Matching Mole (or whatever) and 10 of the next 20 songs are also Matching Mole, it's obvious that shuffle is no longer random, or even close to it. I really like the idea of having an auto-generating "mood" playlist that uses a track that I choose as a seed, but more importantly I really, really value a genuinely RANDOM shuffle in order to explore the less-traveled corners of my library! How can we get a genuinely random shuffle again?
― Dan I., Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
Looking into this a bit more, I think my first instinct to give Spotify the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was creating a "mood" playlist based on a "seed" track was too generous. Instead, shuffle seems to only function within a small number of tracks (can't be more than 50 or so) that surround a given track in the current sort order of the playlist.
So even if your playlist is 10,000 songs, it'll only "shuffle" within the 50 (or so) songs that surround (or maybe follow) the track that you started playing on the playlist. That is... very bad.
― Dan I., Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
(this might be applicable only to when using Spotify Connect to play music on another device, but that doesn't make it any less of a problem, imo)
― Dan I., Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
Having become familiar with Apple-style "take away the most useful features and claim no-one was using them anyway", I'm convinced that Spotify's next move is going to be to remove the ability to copy-paste text into the app to create a playlist.
― Dan I., Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
fuck me, sorry folks I've been day drinking, that one's apparently been gone for years
― Dan I., Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
Dan, it shouldn't do this. A couple things to check. Are you playing a playlist th at has local files thtat haven't been downloaded to your phone? Did you take some time for playlists to completely load on both computer and phone?
― Moodles, Sunday, 25 February 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
Kind of embarrassed after going on for 5 consecutive whinge posts above, but the phenomenon is real and seems to be the same thing that most of the people in this thread are talking about: https://community.spotify.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/spotifyiOS/thread-id/30007/page/34
I don't download files to my phone (only stream), and I'm not sure about the playlist completely loading thing (how could I check that?). I've noticed it most recently while using an iphone to control tracks being played on either a PC or a chromecast using Spotify Connect. If I sort by Title (track title) before hitting shuffle, it becomes VERY obvious:
- Shuffle is on
- Start playing a track near the beginning of an almost 10,000 track long playlist (where all the track names start with numbers, since I've got the playlist sorted by track name) : - the track I hit play on happens to be LCD Soundsystem - 45:33 Padded Cell Remix.
- Here are the next several tracks--keep in mind that shuffle is definitely turned ON at this point: - Desmond Dekker - 007 Shanty Town - Ghostface Killah - 260 - Harold Budd - Abandoned Cities - Boards of Canada - 84 Pontiac Dream - Hercules - 7Ways - ABC - 4 Ever 2 Gether - Barre Phillips - A-i-a - The Maytals - 54-46 That's my number - Harry Nilsson - 1941 - Amerie - 1thing
You get the idea. It seems to be shuffling ONLY among songs that are in the near proximity on the playlist to the first song that was played (in this case, those that start with numbers, or sometimes the letter 'A').
― Dan I., Monday, 26 February 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link
By completely loaded I mean, if you open the playlist and scroll to the bottom are all the tracks showing up or are ones toward the bottom coming up blank?
― Moodles, Monday, 26 February 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
Also, does this happen when you hit the Shuffle Play button at the top of the playlist or only when you start with a specific song?
― Moodles, Monday, 26 February 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
Thanks, here's what I've done:- Open playlist, scroll aaaall the way to the bottom (this takes a while) to confirm that tracks all the way down to "Z" have indeed loaded.- Hit the "Shuffle Play" button
- First track that plays is Nirvana - About a Girl. Next tracks are: - Terry Riley - Across the lake of the ancient word - T. Rex - 20th Century Boy - Saint Etienne - Action - Steve Reich - Act 1 - The casting out of ishmael and hagar - Turzi - Acid Taste - Steve Reich - Act 1 - Who is Abraham? - Tracy Thorn - A-Z - The Rolling Stones - 2000 Man - Mission of Burma - Academy Fight Song - Scuba - Action - Steve Reich - Act 3 - Who is sarah? - Souls of Mischief - 93 'til infinity - Paul Hardcastle - 19
It's still stuck near the beginning of the playlist, where all the song titles begin with "A" or with numbers, and it's not even doing a great job of shuffling within that region (note 3 of the first 13 tracks are from the same Steve Reich album).
― Dan I., Monday, 26 February 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
Very weird, I'm stumped
― Moodles, Monday, 26 February 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
Turning off Spotify Connect fixes it, so I guess it's a Spotify Connect issue.
― Dan I., Monday, 26 February 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
also I def. realize this isn't spotify support, but, uh, I don't have a lot of faith in my ability to affect change through official channels so I guess this was just about bitching to a familiar crowd
― Dan I., Monday, 26 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
^^ solitary posts that sum up ILX
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 26 February 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
I’ve always found the playlist shuffle function bizarre, to the point where last week I created a playlist with two albums and listened to it on shuffle and it played every single track from the 2nd album out of sequence before playing a single track from the first album. How is that even possible?
― President Keyes, Monday, 26 February 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
If each album was ten tracks then there's just under a 1/1000 chance of that happening. Not too ludicrous.
― lana del boy (ledge), Monday, 26 February 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link
show your working
(isn't it 10/20 * 9/19 * 8/18 * ... * 1/11 or 1 in 184k)
― koogs, Monday, 26 February 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
I mean, I could post the next 100 tracks that all follow the same pattern. Like I said, I definitely understand how randomness can appear non-random. This isn't that.
― Dan I., Monday, 26 February 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
No this is definitely a built in function. Just now I added an album to an existing playlist with about 10 albums on it, then hit shuffle. It played every song from the newly added album before moving on to the older tracks.
― President Keyes, Monday, 26 February 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
That was my working which somehow achieved a different result.
― lana del boy (ledge), Monday, 26 February 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Which did seem suspiciously low.
― lana del boy (ledge), Monday, 26 February 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
High.
Delete me.
I could never get Spotify shuffle function to work
what you can do though, silly as it may seem, is to copypaste the playlist into something like this http://textmechanic.com/text-tools/basic-text-tools/sort-text-lines/ and randomize the order of tracks
― niels, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
and then paste to a new, randomized playlist
So going public huh
― calstars, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
Hendrix gone from his top spot, replaced by The Breeders
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 March 2018 10:53 (six years ago) link
Holy shit Moby at 1 followed by Jamiroquai at 2.
― stet, Friday, 2 March 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
My wife is VERY unhappy that they’ve deleted the running feature....
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
Actually, mad as hell is a way better description. They’re gonna be losing a lot of subscribers over this..
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
Looks like they did remove search by year for some reason. Vote to put it back here.
― DJI, Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
search by year works fine for me. "year:2017 label:cascine" returns albums released in 2017 on Cascine. I wish they would just add this as something that you can select in the UI, but it works. one of the many things I miss from RDIO is being able to go to organized label pages and then sort those results by year.
― fffv, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
the year:XXXX search stopped working on my phone, but I haven't updated the Spotify app on there in a long time. It works on my desktop.
― President Keyes, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Doesn't work in the desktop version for me.
― DJI, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
how many times do I have to read this same piece, as if spotify begins and ends with its popular playlists https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/our-access-to-music-is-unprecedented-why-does-it-stress-us-out-so-much/2018/03/07/a00686e6-174a-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.150c7d23fcb0
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
I think a lot of people are confused about the functionality spotify actually provides. My complaints about it are well documented in this thread, there are many features I liked that were removed or downgraded. Yet despite all that spotify remains the most powerful and flexible streaming/offline music player and music library. As far as I know, none of the other music services really comes close to what I'm getting out of spotify. I know lots of people aren't power users in the same way or maybe just use playlists, but if suspect those are also not people who are looking to dig deep for new or unusual music.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
yeah, after playing around with the year search, it doesn't seem to work right. for example, "artist:rihanna year:2008" gets me all kinds of noise that should be filtered out by the year.
― fffv, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
music metadata basically doesn't work
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
it looks like they killed the entire metadata API in 2016. I was bouncing around the support forums and it seems like they will close any feature request that doesn't get at least 50 upvotes. the problem with this kind of thing is even though I'd really like some of this stuff to be implemented, I recognize that I'm a bit of a fringe case and that most of the users really don't care about browsing by label, sorting by release date, or metadata search.
― fffv, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
metadata is important for recommendations and sensible automated aggregation though, i imagine the crazypants nature of it drives glenn a bit nuts
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
yeah, I mean I'm positive that the metadata is present and there may even be be an existing external API that replaces the old metadata API. but I can also see why it's not a priority to expose that to endusers (even though it annoys the hell out of me).
― fffv, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
They removed some late period Blue Oyster Cult albums, thereby removing crucial deep cuts from my career spanning BOC playlist
yet...the Congress and the President remain silent.
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
WHAT
tell me I can still listen to Fire Of Unknown Origin!
― sleeve, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
oh no you're safe, i mean like LATE like Heaven Forbid and Curse of the Hidden Mirror and like the Bad Channels soundtrack...I think Club Ninja might be gone too?
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
FWIW, we don't remove stuff, the labels do. And one common reason is changes in licensing, in which case the missing stuff usually comes back again before long...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 10 March 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
Year search is probably my single most-used feature of Spotify. Is it really gone?
― Melissa W, Saturday, 10 March 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
haha ums that BOC list sounds interesting
― niels, Saturday, 10 March 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
It's called the Playlist of 1000 Psychic Wars
It's still pretty good even without "Pocket"
Glen I figured that was it
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
search in general and search by year are working fine for me in the web client
― Brad C., Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
My Release Radar this week seems to have set a record for song carryovers from the previous week
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
year doesn't work for me at all on either web or mobile (year:2002 should pull up albums and songs from 2002, right?)
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
Those being:Le Large - Françoise HardyLet’s Stay Together - LowI Did It! - KittenBox of Noise - Chris ButlerLeslie -Amy RigbyBodys - Car Seat HeadrestThe Dixon D90s Series - CornershopAscending - Lost on Purpose
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
Should be The Dixons D90 Series - Cornershop
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
I was wrong -- year search is not working for me either on Chrome or iPad
― Brad C., Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link
glenn, is there any chance that the running-by-bpm-function will return soon? My marriage is at stake. And no, those other workout playlists don't work just as well, she informs me.I'm guessing there must be some big business squeeze behind the decision to phase out such a popular feature based on the timing of the announcement coinciding with Spotify going public but it still seems weird.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
My daily mixes are getting too samey, to a point where I'm not convinced they change daily.
Track selection seems to come from a very narrow pool for each artist - e.g. the magic data cruncher knows I like the Damned and have a couple of poppier Damned songs in playlists so I only ever get 'Eloise', 'Alone Again, Or' and 'Shadow of Love' in a daily mix despite me listening to earlier (better) Damned stuff regularly.
I always get mid-80s poppy Cure too.
― Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Monday, 12 March 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
seems possible that the daily mixes only personalize at the artist level
― the poster's anxiety at the suggested ban (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 March 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
Daily Mix looks at both artists and songs, and doesn't care what you have in playlists.
The year search wasn't removed, there's just a parsing bug. Looks like it still works if you follow it with a genre, like:
year:2018 genre:pixie
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
i mainly listen to my variously mooded daily mixes these days which i worry is creating a feedback loop
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
oh man same here, my go-to lately has been a 19-hr mix called Downers lol
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Ahem, link plz?
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/user/suckerblues/playlist/4QvqISunilUQiyXzFLyH75?si=PXaongmqRJehCtXVsKpO3w
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
Hours of fun. Thank you.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Surprised nobody has mentioned Spotify's Line-In tool for allowing users to contribute to metadata:https://line-in.spotify.com/
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
I'm not going to live blog Simon's playlist but where the HELL have Augie March been hiding all my life?
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
Hey Glenn - thanjs for the tip about the parsing bug. Looks like if you just put the year first and any other search term next, it works? Hopefully the bug gets squashed. Glad it wasn’t on purpose!
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
today's discover weekly recommended St. Vincent's "Hang On Me," which is a) somewhat old at this point b) from an album I reviewed c) via listening to the album a lot... on spotify
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
(obviously the algorithm has no way of knowing that I reviewed the album -- although it was funny when they'd show review excerpts with albums a couple years ago and present me by way of recommendation with my own writing -- but surely having previously listened to a track many, many times months ago should keep it off any discovery-oriented playlists?)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
also s/today's/Monday's
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
hmm Discover is not about new releases? I do believe there was chatter uphtread regarding why you can sometimes find a track on Discover which has previously been played on the same account, can't recall the outcome though
― niels, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
it's less about "have played before" than "have played before, often."
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
if there were not +8000 (!!) messages itt I would try and find glenn's response
― niels, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
this right here is a great idea, I feel like ILM should be able to pool together the required 25 kudos for such a feature https://community.spotify.com/t5/Closed-Ideas/One-click-to-follow-all-artists-in-Your-Music-gt-Artists/idi-p/877171
― niels, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
ooh, I see somebody came up with a solution http://www.nativenoise.co.za/spotify/follow-all-artists/
― niels, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
I'm not going to live blog Simon's playlist but where the HELL have Augie March been hiding all my life?Melbourne, probably
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
OFFICIAL: SPOTIFY WILL GO PUBLIC ON APRIL 3
Spotify’s CEO and Chairman, Daniel Ek, is about to give a live presentation to investors and would-be investors in New York.
The company’s Head of Investor Relations, Paul Vogel, has just confirmed that Spotify will publicly list shares on the NYSE via an usual ‘direct listing’ on Tuesday, April 3.
Vogel said the company had taken the choice to float via a direct listing because it was “more transparent and more accessible to a wider range of investors”.
He also confirmed that Spotify will announce financial guidance for Q1 2018 on March 26, the week prior to trading.
The news brings to a close mounting speculation on the flotation D-Day for Spotify, following the company’s filing of a preparatory F-1 document with the US Securities and Exchange Commission last month.
Spotify’s current valuation is currently above $20bn, according to some recent private share trades between investors in the company.
At that valuation, it is believed that the three major music companies (Universal, Sony and Warner) plus Merlin currently own Spotify shares jointly worth somewhere between $2bn and $3bn – thanks to a cumulative ownership stake covering between 10% and 20% of the streaming company.
Sony is the biggest industry shareholder with a 5.7% holding in Spotify.
Spotify’s F-1 revealed that it finished 2017 with 71m paying subscribers and 159m monthly active users (MAUs).
https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/official-spotify-will-go-public-on-april/
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 15 March 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
Fantastic band, Strange Bird in particular is essential
― Simon H., Thursday, 15 March 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Another day, another non-working, utterly useless mac app...
― Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 16 March 2018 10:08 (six years ago) link
Probably banal question: I've got a shit ton of playlists, only a handful of which I keep offline at any one time. Is there any way to isolate these so I don't have to scroll through everything to find the downloaded ones? 'Offline mode' bizarrely replicates online mode, as far as I can tell - it just takes away the possibility of data usage.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 16 March 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link
i have often wanted exactly this - just show me my offline playlists
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 March 2018 11:29 (six years ago) link
you actually can just filter your playlists for offline only though?
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 16 March 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link
just select 'downloads' on the filter
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 16 March 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link
lol i never knew that was there :/ hidin in the burger menu!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:34 (six years ago) link
Same here - not seen that before. Duh.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 16 March 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
glad to be of service!
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 16 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
new to me too, very helpful
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 16 March 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
― beard papa, Saturday, 17 March 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
One day the desktop version will work properly within 30mins of being launched.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
I don't know what I do right with Spotify on my 4-year-old Macbook but it works pretty much like a dream.
― Alba, Sunday, 18 March 2018 08:00 (six years ago) link
The ropy, features-dropping-off, non-album-artwork-displaying unupdated old version running on my crappy old Windows XP pc at home where I have shitty bandwidth responds much better, starts up faster and does searches near-instantly. The up-to-date version running on my shiny new PC at work with high bandwidth takes up to an hour of the dreaded spinning circle of dots before it will do a search or even display a selected playlist. I usually just give in and use the web browser version just so i can actually listen to some music before lunch.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 18 March 2018 10:56 (six years ago) link
My shiny, up-to-date PC desktop version remains forever convinced that I am still listening to Kid Creole's "Stool Pigeon", with Narada Michael Walden's "Tonight I'm Alright" queued as the next track. Thus, every time I start it up, the second track I hear is always Narada Michael Walden's "Tonight I'm Alright", unless I remember to clear the queue first. Luckily, I'm quite fond of Narada Michael Walden's "Tonight I'm Alright".
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 18 March 2018 12:16 (six years ago) link
― Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 March 2018 12:33 (six years ago) link
https://d2ffutrenqvap3.cloudfront.net/items/191b1V0v0R2W41410B20/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-22%20at%2000.33.55.png
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
immaterial girl
― Sufjan in Worst Shithole of a Major American City (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link
mmhh youtube soul wormhole
― niels, Thursday, 22 March 2018 07:36 (six years ago) link
https://d2ffutrenqvap3.cloudfront.net/items/3h431t462O461y081N3K/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-22%20at%2021.40.58.png
everything else on my computer works fine
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
This is the correct florid techno visualisation.
― Alba, Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
spotify is a bit different than most other things on your computer though
― Sufjan in Worst Shithole of a Major American City (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
It runs so faster on my work computer (ssd, i7)
― brimstead, Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
so much faster
it might have more to do with your network connection on that computer, though
― Sufjan in Worst Shithole of a Major American City (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
Ah yeah you're probably right
― brimstead, Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
it does seem to have got slower
― ogmor, Friday, 23 March 2018 09:16 (six years ago) link
How do I keep The Chaimsmokers from always coming up on My Release Radar?
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Friday, 23 March 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
lol at the idea of an all-Jew Chainsmokers tribute band
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 March 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
“Lover Man”, oh where can you be? In my Release Radar Playlist!
― Leslie “POLLS” Hartley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 March 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
Chainsmokers on my Release Radar, too. And David Guetta.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 23 March 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 March 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
In addition to the Chainsmokers (again), I also had "The Temptations" coving Sam Smith this morning.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Friday, 23 March 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
can I deactivate the ?si=YLlbiLPJRx2yiGRXbGCYFA string that's attached to all links I copy from Spotify? I'm guessing they're used for data analysis but I like my links clean...
― niels, Saturday, 24 March 2018 08:30 (six years ago) link
IPO today
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
Good luck, Glenn!
― DJI, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
Weird non-IPO IPO is sort of interesting:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spotifys-un-ipo-everything-need-know-132349447.html
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
Damn, guess they were waiting for Drag City before they IPO'd.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
stock will take a beating after investors learn that they still can't listen to "halfway to a threeway"
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
why does spotify think i like the chainsmokers? i don't get it? *orders market sell of 10,000 shares*
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
So basically their net loss grows faster than their revenue? Pass.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1639920/000119312518063434/d494294df1.htm#rom494294_12
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
Spotify started trading on the New York Stock Exchange moments ago. And, after a few hours of behind-the-scenes buying and selling, its official debut public price has been revealed – $166 per share, resulting in a market cap worth approximately $29.6bn.
The news comes after months of speculation regarding Spotify’s official valuation, with analysts recently reporting that private trades of the company put its worth anywhere between $18bn and $44bn.
Spotify’s valuation stood at just $8bn as recently as May 2015, according to reports in the financial press at the time – meaning that this figure has more than trebled in less than three years.
Experts have warned, however, that some price volatility is expected in the wake of Spotify’s unusual ‘direct listing’ approach to flotation.
http://cdn.mbw.44bytes.net/files/2018/04/IMG_0920.jpg
http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/official-spotify-is-worth-as-it-begins-trading-on-new-york-stock-exchange/
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
Short term trading aside, this looks designed to be a nightmare as an investment on both the long and the short side, given that Spotify’s profitability is pretty much completely dependent on the royalty rates that the majors charge and the music they make available, and they won’t like it if too much cash leaks out to investors as buybacks/dividend.
So low rates now, big rise in profitability/users, stock goes up, majors offload their holdings, and then raise rates. Too many sceptic hedge funds on the short side? Just keep rates low for a while, wipe them out first, then do the above.
But wtf do i know, good luck to everyone involved.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
I thought this was a good explanation of the weird IPO strategy
https://www.recode.net/2018/4/2/17189624/spotify-daniel-ek-ipo-silicon-valley-wall-street-relationship
― sleeve, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
spotify is telling me nirvana is having a concert in my area in june. i'm confused.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
It's the official reunion tour with Geddy Lee on lead vox
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
Or at least I hope it is
Latest version on Windows 10 seems to have all sorts of stupid problems. Often suddenly unable to drag or even select tracks in playlists, green play button on releases stops working, even little things like the 'About Spotify' link under the recently introduced 'three dots' catch-all menu (also bad) just bringing up nothing.
― nashwan, Monday, 16 April 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
My Discover Weekly was so so, but it did make me discover the song Seabird by Alessi Brothers.― MarkoP, Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:13 AM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Made in the Shadow Blaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link
<3 Alessi Brothers
― it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
So suddenly my friend feed doesn’t work. Does Anyone know how to fix it? I’ve tried toggling the show right sidebar button, but to no avail.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 19 April 2018 06:55 (six years ago) link
re: Friend Activity
same problem on Windows 10, happened about a week go. Seems to be a growing common problem as reported by others via the spotify community:
https://community.spotify.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/desktop_windows/thread-id/52157/page/3
Just logged in and it's now resolved ! so hopefully things will be back to normal.
― djmartian, Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:44 (six years ago) link
lovin that seabird, we might have a thread for DW faves
― niels, Thursday, 19 April 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/D6aWoYv.jpg
please please please make the label/copyright info at the bottom of an album a clickable link that works like Search by Label
― WilliamC, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
― DJI, Monday, 23 April 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
Yes, that would be awesome, but it won't exist or be awesome for a while, because the label data we get is currently just tragically inconsistent freeform text...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
Artwork (C) Robert WyattThis compilation (P) 1999 Robert Wyatt, under exclusive licence to Domino Recording Co. Ltd. Manufactured and market by EMI Music Australia Pty Ltd under exclusive licence.
Yeah ok a simple regular expression isn't going to cut it.
In other complaints news why is the app on my phone automatically playing, on someone else's remote device (!), and not taking pause/listen on this phone for an answer?
― lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 08:03 (six years ago) link
i suspect this is a typo?
“We know it’s the only way we’re going to achieve our goal of getting billions of fans” on the service, said Gustav Soderstrom, chief R&B officer.
http://variety.com/2018/digital/news/spotify-announces-dramatic-upgrade-to-free-service-which-it-says-will-increase-paying-subscribers-1202784478/
― maura, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
"unlike radio, we actually share the revenue with artists and users.”
ummmmm
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
would help if that article actually had any information in it
Oh wow, chief R&B officer is awesome.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Disappointing that there's no mention of lossless audio, would be nice if they threw a bone to paid subscribers.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
in the US, terrestrial radio play pays performance royalties to songwriters, but they're exempt from paying artists or labels for master recordings.
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
who is Chief Pet Calming Officer can i be that
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
careful what you wish for
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/24/weve-got-more-money-swirling-around-how-streaming-saved-the-music-industry
it quickly emerged that what they were willing to pay artists was a couple of thousandths of a penny for each stream. There is a big debate over exactly how many thousandths – the latest survey by Digital Music News suggests that Apple Music pays $0.00783 and Spotify pays $0.00397.
Apparently 400-800 is 'a couple'.
― lana del boy (ledge), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 07:59 (six years ago) link
This article raises more questions than it answers, and it seems to state a lot of interesting sounding things but doesn't really substantiates anything. On one hand it claims that Acts with global appeal obviously perform much better than those who are only popular in one country, which means region-specific sounds can lose out. , but also Now, Afrobeat, Danish rap, hundreds of genres of niche electronic music and particularly British urban music are flourishing commercially.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 08:56 (six years ago) link
There are ways to exploit the system, too. “Almost every track we release, we then release in an acoustic version a few weeks later,” says Varma.
ugh, shut it down
― nashwan, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link
I'm so sick of acoustic versions This is a trend that needs to die.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
they should also change the lyrics to descriptions of coffee aromas
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
Momus at the top of my Discover Weekly!
― it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
― MarkoP, Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:13 AM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that's how i heard about this song too, although it was in the film Hunt For the Wilder People
― brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 26 April 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
> "the next 30 minutes are ad-free"> ad
― thots and players (rip van wanko), Sunday, 29 April 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Not sure if my account's been hacked, but about a week ago about 3 playlists appeared on my feed of Chinese (?) pop music. I deleted them but one appeared again earlier this week and now one's appeared again. Other than that everything seems fine.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
Have you changed your password?
― Dan I., Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
I did after the third time.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
any good Chinese (?) pop music to report?
― it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Friday, 4 May 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Um, no. Lots of rather dull piano ballads like this https://open.spotify.com/track/5h6R8U3G3GLZc6nMsrxBV4?si=gn-gBv3RQYuBixA9KdkzDw
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 4 May 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
Was hoping for some k-pop weirdness but sadly not.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 4 May 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
So hmm.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8455375/spotify-removes-r-kelly-music-playlists-new-hate-content-conduct-policy
This begs a LOT of questions.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
yeah I tweeted this but I'm really curious to see what his metrics were before his stuff got pulled. not even in a gotcha sense, I genuinely do wonder whether the news stories have had any measurable impact whether in the short- or the long term (obviously the biggest of the news stories predates Spotify).
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link
(obviously they aren't having much measurable impact for like xxxtentacion, but he's a new artist where r. kelly is a legacy artist)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link
(it also goes without saying that if R. Kelly's metrics really were flagging, then that's... not something I can be too upset about, all things considered)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
if I was working at Spotify I'd feel bad about promoting R Kelly through popular playlists
I no longer play Ignition when I dj anymore, rarely listen to his tunes (although I admit that sometimes I really want to hear "You Are Not Alone" by MJ which was written/plagiarized by R Kelly)
― niels, Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
XXXTentacion out as well
https://pitchfork.com/news/spotify-removes-r-kelly-from-its-playlists/?mbid=social_twitter
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
what about the ukulele covers of these songs though? this question sounds snide but i mean... how does the policing here work, exactly
― maura, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
I think that's a fair question, probably a bit more difficult to decide, but I imagine they wouldn't want to promote covers either
― niels, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
I don't think it's a bad idea because it raises complex questions
― niels, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
There are gonna have to be a fuckton of other artists they pull from their playlists too.
― how's life, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
chuck berry?
― maura, Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
the beatles had a short run on spotify
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I would think they'll only apply this to living artists
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
Incidentally, there is a full compliment of Bill Cosby albums on Spotify
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
But are tracks from Cosby albums featured in playlists?
It makes sense that they wouldn’t to promote artists who are currently in the news for bad things. I wouldn’t expect them to go through rock history and start picking & choosing others, unless something bubbles up, new info comes out about an older artist and everyone’s talking about it (as with Kelly), etc. They say it’s about their “values” but of course it’s more about shielding themselves from criticism; nothing wrong w/that, of course.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 10 May 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Ahhh for some reason I read this as if they were pulling their music entirely.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
Duke University Student Affairs VP, what's on your Spotify playlist?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/then-the-censors-came-for-rap-music/560003/
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXaKIA8E7WcJj?si=6hOC7rvMSSidvk1jy8RDyg
― maura, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
xpostRe: the central question raised by the author of that piece – about how/why community & commercial "standards" are different for lyrics than other forms of mass media – obviously, there are "clean" versions of songs/albums released for radio play, and when (uncensored) Spotify playlists are used in place of the radio, there is a possibility for the standards set by radio to be exceeded (I say this without taking anything away from the awfulness of the employees being fired, of course). I guess a rough analogy would be if a cafe were playing uncut R-rated movies on a TV, instead of a cable network like USA or Lifetime.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
This “pushback” is unexpected (not by the artists themselves, I expected that, but by others): http://variety.com/2018/biz/news/spotifys-ban-on-hateful-content-and-conduct-is-too-subjective-and-concerning-experts-say-1202807394/
I guess Spotify must have screwed up the messaging... but it’s clear that, in the current climate, they simply don’t want to feature artists on their playlists who are the subject of active controversies involving mistreatment of women. All the “Whatabout... (X) artist from the past? Who gets to be judge & jury?” etc. questions seem disingenuous to me.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 11 May 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
at the end of the day this is really just a PR win for Spotify. I have to imagine the revenue cut to the artists is minimal.
― Simon H., Friday, 11 May 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
I agree — and I guess that’s partly why I’m surprised there’s “OMG censorship”–type pushback. It’s about as mild an action as Spotify could possibly take.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 12 May 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
Reading over the article again, it seems like an obvious attempt to stir up a controversy (they even contacted the ACLU for comment!).
It also states no system of policing content or behavior beyond content monitoring, “expert partners” and “Your Help,” the latter via an online form
Those three pillars don’t constitute a “system”(?)
But Variety’s agenda aside, the “experts” quoted do seem legit, and their assessments are more what surprise me.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 12 May 2018 02:47 (six years ago) link
Been noticing some odd behavior not exactly the same as the shuffle problems discussed recently, but not completely different either. My main New Music list has about 1000 tracks, and I periodically add new albums as they get released. When I play on shuffle, tracks from the most recently added albums don't show up in queue. It seems like it takes a while, weeks maybe, for those tracks to come up in regular rotation when I shuffle. Quite possibly they start to turn up more when I add newer albums, but I'm not sure. Anyone else see stuff like this?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
they reversed the xxxtentacion demotion
https://www.stereogum.com/1997996/spotify-to-promote-xxxtentacion-again-after-backlash/news/
― kinder, gentler (sleepingbag), Friday, 25 May 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
iirc both kendrick and xxxtentacion are on universal subsidiaries
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 25 May 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
Just noticed that on Spotify the tracks (all but one) on the first two Chaka Khan albums are now credited to a 'Lew Hahn' as well. Turns out he was an additional recording engineer on the Chaka album, who also did remixing for it, and is credited for recording and mixing on Naughty (on Discogs, not on the original album sleeve, fairly or unfairly). In other words, he didn’t even write, produce or play on any of the tracks. But every time songs like “I’m Every Woman” or “Clouds” are streamed (including when it’s from some compilation), it’s not just added to Chaka’s tally but to his as well. That seems like some bullshit. Anyone know what this is about? Is it related to the equal billing producers now get for remixes they make for tracks by other artists (which is fair), and did this guy jump retroactively on this opportunity or something?
(I guess I could have started a "Studio hands that are NOW on Spotify" thread, but decided against it)
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link
Only just noticed Peter Gabriel's catalogue is finally up in UK.https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/peter-gabriel-solo-catalogue-spotify/
― nashwan, Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:34 (six years ago) link
xpTo partly answer my own question, I strongly suspect it’s connected to the remixing aspect. I now see that Hahn also has an artist tag with Hall & Oates’ “She’s Gone”, this time along with Arif Mardin, Chris Bond and Jimmy Douglass, and lo and behold, (on Discogs) these four are all credited as “re-mix engineers”, presumably for the song’s re-issue in 1976, because they are not tagged in the original 1973 album version. I guess the question is now: do these “remixers” actively have to request this kind of equal billing with Spotify (which would get them a cut of the performing artist’s steaming money, right?), does the record label take care of this, or are these tags automatically generated through Spotify’s data systems?(btw, the same thing might be happening on Apple Music and other streaming services, but I’m not familiar with those)Either way, this seems an unintended (I would hope) and undesirable (in my opinion) side effect of giving remixers their due. I mean, remixing tracks during the recording process of an album or tweaking an existing recording for rerelease is a totally different beast from remixing in the modern sense, where an existing recording is reconstructed by an outside source. What makes the Chaka Khan example extra jarring, is that none of the people who made the actual remixes for her 1989 Life Is A Dance Remix Project album are credited on Spotify, but Lew Hahn is.
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 26 May 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
Sorry for carrying on like this, but this is an absolute travesty:Chaka (1978):https://open.spotify.com/album/2lvaLIoEg3hwL2dybu6zTC?si=jSHjbmOnR86Qf9NA_CAPPgNaughty (1980):https://open.spotify.com/album/0LPZFn25Bxg4zIT47SYVNC?si=8lROL0xZRwy-gof-juD-ogLife Is A Dance (The Remix Project) (1989):https://open.spotify.com/album/696qPuTacarWTyvMwofbXp?si=damSKTVPShW8AKG7ip4abA
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 26 May 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
Yes, I suspect you're exactly right, and that this is a result of shifting meanings for the role "remixing" over time, leading to Hahn being treated as if he were Felix Jaehn. I'm not actually sure whether this is in the class of things we (Spotify) can fix, or if the label has to correct the metadata and resubmit, but I've reported it to the team that is responsible for both kinds of fixes. Thanks for the report!
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
Interesting! I've been wondering about Lew Hahn ever since the time I discovered "Clouds" (disco poll iirc?) and started playing it 10 times a day.
― A Box of After Dinner Comics Shipped to Your House Each Month (seandalai), Sunday, 27 May 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
Thanks for looking into this, Glenn. Hope it will lead to something. Could I ask you for an update if something interesting should come up?Seandalai’s comment suggests that these tags have been sitting there for at least a year. I thought it would be more recent than that. I hope it doesn’t mean the label is okay with. Hard to believe otherwise that it would go unchallenged that some random engineer is receiving half of streaming money for a classic like “I’m Every Woman” (which is at 22 million plays, even now).
― breastcrawl, Monday, 28 May 2018 07:42 (six years ago) link
*okay with it**half of the streaming money*
― breastcrawl, Monday, 28 May 2018 07:45 (six years ago) link
I keep getting new Goldie tracks in my Release Radar but it's some atrocious hard house producer with the same alias somehow.
― nashwan, Monday, 28 May 2018 09:31 (six years ago) link
Oh, the apportioning of actual royalty money is a totally separate topic from which artists get displayed on a track in the UI.
We (Spotify) pay the rights-holders by track according to streaming, and the rights-holders pay the tracks' artists according to whatever their contracts with the artists say. I would guess that Lew Hahn was paid a flat rate for those Chaka Khan sessions decades ago, and is not getting ongoing royalties from these streams any more than he got ongoing royalties from record sales before now, but that's a pure guess based on no specific information. The record-label could be giving all these streaming royalties to Lou Ferrigno for all you or I or Spotify knows.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
(I reported the random non-Goldie "Goldie", too.)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
TY!
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
Shout out to this thread's perma-revival making it to the Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/29/online-forums-musical-culture-messageboards-social-media-music-essay
― Alba, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
I feel a sense of personal failure that nashwan got the "last updated by" on this thread in the screen-capture.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
Thanks for clearing up the royalty issue, Glenn, I assumed the tagging played a part in that. Would still like to see poor old Lew’s tags disappear though. Those are not collaborative albums! “Rufus featuring Chaka Khan”, yes, sure; “Chaka Khan x Lew Hahn”, no thank you.
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
Not only that but that's the thread title in the picture caption. Time capsule gold though.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
Second night of a wake turned into a drunken dance/singalong but the lack of a history in the iOS app means we couldn't piece those hours back together the next day.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
Having Spotify linked to last.fm has saved me in a similar situation.
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link
Weirdest shit on my Discover weekly so far https://open.spotify.com/track/22LImJMfhUcPWS4gAAEOzi
― niels, Thursday, 31 May 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
that ... is amazing
― Brad C., Thursday, 31 May 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Check out this sequence of the artist's other 3 tracks(!) --
https://open.spotify.com/album/5oRNoAaBJmSUPCnDpxqztxhttps://open.spotify.com/album/0d55AlVPK9OOz9qXAzG3D3https://open.spotify.com/album/5mOdlmH3t6InGOhxlPZpoP
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 31 May 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
("Klospülung" translates to "toilet flush"!)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 31 May 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
What does one need to listen to to get that in their DW!?
I've had a few tracks where the artist and song names were all completely incomprehensible ASCII characters (but in such a way that it was clear it was intentional for the "aesthetic", not a software error), but they turned out to be pleasant vaporwavey stuff
― Dan I., Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link
(The design--y ASCII artist was probably one of the Four Tet side projects...)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 June 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
Yep, that was it! I guess it was on release radar though, not DW
― Dan I., Friday, 1 June 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
My Discover Weekly has gotten very boring since I went through a huge R.E.M. binge a couple of month ago. It's almost all indie rock-ish stuff now.
― silverfish, Friday, 1 June 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
Yeah, you have to be very careful with listening to any US alt-rock. Give the algorithm a sniff of it and your DW swiftly becomes a cess pit.
― Alba, Friday, 1 June 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
^^ that happened to me when I listened to a bunch of Tom Petty after he died
― sleeve, Friday, 1 June 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
― Alba, Friday, June 1, 2018 11:20 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the same goes for anything vaguely alt-pop
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Spotify really, really wants me to like Jonathan Richman. I don't particularly dislike him, just not interested. But he shows up like every other week.
Generally DW has not been great for me lately.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 1 June 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
Do you feel like you are being profiled?
― omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 June 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
Jonathan Richman is great always happy when he shows on my algorithm playlists
― niels, Friday, 1 June 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
this toilet song however...
I might
I might even say
my DW has gone
down the drain :O
― niels, Friday, 1 June 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
niels do you have any clues at all how the aptly-named Klospülung might have gotten into your Discover Weekly? Could you have listened to one of the Related Artists or something?
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5tkfx36V7EUhwTOyXdrAMo/related
also have any Related Artists ever successfully sued for defamation? asking for a friend
― Brad C., Friday, 1 June 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link
don't recognize any of those related artists, nope
― niels, Friday, 1 June 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
noel redding rings a bell, not as a solo artist tho
― niels, Friday, 1 June 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
I've had some odd stuff appear in Discover Weekly, but nothing as improbable as that ... I wonder if someone has developed an exploit for the DW algorithm
― Brad C., Friday, 1 June 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
my DW really wants me to listen to Laurie Anderson, but it's not going to happen.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 2 June 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
The toilet guy seems to have an improbably high number of followers... (Btw - the one song title that’s not a variation of “WC” seems to translate to something like “Relaxed Constipation.”)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 2 June 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
apart from the toilet flush it was a decent dw week, so weird that toilet track came on right after New York City Serenade, almost as if mocking pretentious Bruce https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZEVXcHkCbzvlCkSv?si=1DH1iWA7QW--P0FlFlbh_Q
― niels, Saturday, 2 June 2018 08:29 (six years ago) link
hey glenn,
I'm sure this has been requested many times before, but is there any way to see which songs or albums you've played in the past? like if a certain artist had 10 albums and I couldn't remember which ones I'd heard -- it would be super useful to know which ones I'd listened to and how many times (for each song). this is something that itunes has had for over a decade that I used to love (when I used itunes)
― k3vin k., Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
Yes, I agree that that would be useful. I have an internal experimental tool that will show you what songs on a playlist you've already played, but it's extremely expensive to do in real-time for all users...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
last.fm still has its uses (though not retroactively).
― lana del boy (ledge), Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
thanks — I assumed it had been looked at already and there was a reason for it. maybe someday the technology will be cheaper
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
that Klospülung song appeared on my discover weekly this week.
― silverfish, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
which is weird because listened to it last week when clicking on the link in this thread
― silverfish, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
^^ I listened as well, I will check my DW and report back
― sleeve, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
I sometimes wish that I could filter my own saved music and generate playlists with the results. If I was a smart programmer type of guy, I might try to use the API to create a web app that would do something like that. I find myself thinking, shouldn't I be able to filter my own collection of saved songs for years, genres, and record labels?
― beard papa, Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
Some kind of smart playlist functionality in general would be such a huge improvement
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
You two might like http://organizeyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
Interesting, I like the idea of filtering a playlist down by more energetic or mellow qualities. I often line up my queue that way.
Would like something that tracked number of plays, frequency, skip frequency, last play date, so I could hear songs I haven't listened to recently or automatically skip ones with a high skip count.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
Great link, I have been meaning to organize my Spotify for ages and this is going to save me from weeks of tinkering and trying to decide what genre 10,000+ songs are.
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
A Different Way? A different Low more like?
https://open.spotify.com/album/5JM3Q65UzOf3bMNrFVtap1?si=t0PLhAx9TCKIPT2RIZGBzA
― Jeff W, Friday, 8 June 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
yeah the "other" Low and Biosphere showing up on my Release Radar was hilarious
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 13:52 (six years ago) link
this is a minor problem that is probably more noticeable because of a job i have, but why does 'back' on the web player (through browser button or ctrl-right) now take the user to a page where they're asked if they want to log out? especially annoying when navigating from searches.
― maura, Friday, 8 June 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
"web schmeb"- every service ever
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 June 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
So @Spotify, I don’t want to tell you how to do your job, but a Lonnie Johnson (blues musician, 1899-1970) compilation album shouldn’t have Lonnie Johnson (Super Soaker inventor, still alive) on the cover. pic.twitter.com/nKpuuV9i3G— Thomas L. Strickland ☕️ (@ThomasLS) June 10, 2018
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
Yacht Rock guys really upset about the official Spotify “yacht rock” playlist
― calstars, Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Not yacht-y enough?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
What’s the problem? It’s full of Yacht classics like Call Me Al and Jack and Diane
― President Keyes, Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
Not enough Krokus imo
― President Keyes, Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
Can anyone explain why Spotify takes about two minutes to open and play from my iPhone?
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 11 June 2018 04:54 (six years ago) link
Same on Android - two minutes is a good day.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 11 June 2018 09:32 (six years ago) link
I haven't had any problems like that on my phone, but the desktop client is virtually unusable anymore. I'm in the browser version almost all the time now.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 June 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
Same (as mentioned many times here already). Desktop version is useless.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 June 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link
I have had problems with this in the past, but these days the android app and desktop app both load prettu quickly for me andvrun smoothly.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 June 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
yeah, the desktop client takes forever. Not worth the effort.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 11 June 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
on my mac mini it's been unusable for months, not checked it recently. ios app is pretty good on my SE tho.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 June 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
actually on desktop the Spotify web player works really well, i.e. at all!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 June 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Biggest desktop issue for me over the last couple of months is when I try to edit a large playlist (hundreds of tracks) which at first it will allow fine but start slowing down after a few minutes and then fail to load other playlists entirely - even ones you were just on, like it's having to reload that information fresh every time.
― nashwan, Monday, 11 June 2018 14:53 (six years ago) link
My desktop app works really well at the moment, but I had to get a whole new computer for that to be the case, and it's only been a month. Full expect it to get slower and slower and then useless over the next wee while.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 06:22 (six years ago) link
Downloading for me on iPad is now getting totally out of hand. I left it downloading 800+ tracks overnight, when i got up in the morning it had completed 50. At Extreme quality tbf, but I have fast internet.
― stet, Thursday, 14 June 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
ha, I bet you do
― sleeve, Thursday, 14 June 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
what's up with the change from "related" to "fans also like"?
― austinb, Friday, 15 June 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link
"Fans Also Like" is more accurate and descriptive. "Related Artists" implied personal relationships between artists to some people, which wasn't really what that list represents...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 15 June 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
nice! i'm a fan, honestly. agree that it seems more accurate, and foregrounds the role of the listener to boot.
― austinb, Friday, 15 June 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
i'm into anything on the platform that highlights the idea of "fans" tbh
― austinb, Friday, 15 June 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
i wish i could "engage" with the little feed that shows you what your Spotify friends are listening to. just a thumbs up, or a comment would be cool. i imagine that opens up a can of worms Spotify doesn't want opened but still.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 June 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/2AbMp2C.png
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― pplains, Friday, 15 June 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
― calstars, Saturday, 16 June 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
Currently writing a research proposal about psychological ownership of music in physical vs. digital form and what it means for self expression, identity etc. and I'm trying to identify a research gap that extends the current literature. Was thinking about what the generational gap here could mean in what relationships people form with their digital "collection".
Does anyone recognize a meaningful difference between people that have also previously owned or currently owns a physical collection and people who have only ever really known a digital collection? The implicit hypothesis is, that if digital is all you've ever known, you're more easily disposed to grant your collection meaning and make it a part of your self. Any response is appreciated.
― Milton, Saturday, 16 June 2018 10:32 (six years ago) link
More easily disposed to do that compared to people who did it with physical but feel less inclined to with digital you mean?
― nashwan, Saturday, 16 June 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
I could easily imagine the opposite: people who started with a physical collection are more inclined to view their digital files as a collection as well, whereas people who've only known digital don't visualise it as such and more easily take the "access to" view that streaming brings.
― dorsalstop, Saturday, 16 June 2018 12:00 (six years ago) link
Yeah, my initial intuition is that people who have had physical collections and move to digital experience a loss of relationship to the music.
Partly caused by the lack of de-materialization of a tangible object, herein that with digital music, the file you have access to is the same exact file as anyone else. The patina on the cover or scratches in the record which makes you come to know intimately the object are erased.
And partly because of the lack of legal ownership of the target object, although there is also research that suggests that "sharing" ownership with others can induce a sense of communal belonging with other fans for example.
So if you were to move to digital from physical, you would experience a loss of something. If you never had these emotive relationships, then you would form new bonds to the music more easily. But I might be wrong. The important part is if there's a difference.
― Milton, Saturday, 16 June 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
* not the lack of de-materialization. just the de-materialization.
Ah right, makes sense.
― dorsalstop, Saturday, 16 June 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
By “digital collection,” do you mean the (already somewhat outdated) paradigm of digital files, iTunes, etc.; or the current idea of just making playlists in Spotify or Apple Music?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 16 June 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
As someone who has moved from digital to physical I've definitely experienced that loss, though it was a long slow process. In the ipod age [wistful glance to that ancient era] I more or less replicated my cd collection in itunes, and the idea of a digital collection held great promise but aside from some year/decade playlists and half hearted attempts at genre classification not much came of that. Then as I slowly moved to almost exclusively listening through spotify (and the discover playlist in particular) I lost touch with my collection, though it was still on my pc and mostly on my phone, to the point where i never listened to anything I used to own or could even remember half of it, nor did I build up another collection of new discoveries. This really did have a detrimental impact on my music enjoyment for quite some time, I felt like I was constantly searching for the thrill of the new and rarely finding it, and not spending the time to get into anything that didn't have immediate impact. I'm still working my way back from this tbh, but I think the idea of a collection is long gone for me.
― lana del boy (ledge), Saturday, 16 June 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
check out the maintaining a digital music collection thread imo
― niels, Saturday, 16 June 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
Transitioning from physical to digital has been the opposite of a loss, it's been a huge weight off my shoulders.
― a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
xp yeah maybe. half of my collection wasn't really worth remembering though, and part of the appeal of the celestial jukebox is liberating yourself from a self-imposed canon. maybe that's what you mean wmc...
― lana del boy (ledge), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Is there any way on the app to bookmark your place in a song? Say you're listening to some long classical piece and you stop listening to it halfway through, then you turn it off and listen to some other piece. Is it possible to save your place in the first piece so that when you return to it you can pick up where you left off?
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
part of the appeal of the celestial jukebox is liberating yourself from a self-imposed canon. maybe that's what you mean wmc...
Yeah, that's a big part of it. The same thing from another angle is that having immediate access to (most of) the canon as collectively agreed upon by a few million faceless others frees me up to explore at my own pace and listen to the recommendations of trusted individuals or intriguing strangers without Conventional Wisdom pestering me.
― a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Definitely interesting thoughts. Much obliged.
― Milton, Saturday, 16 June 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
Have we talked about how the Android app used to let you sort saved albums by date added, but now it's just alphabetical by artist? This decision is incomprehensible to me. This is an app that gives access to all recorded music, and you're hoping I'll use it for a lifetime ...
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Almost given up on Daily Mixes. I appreciate that it's designed to give me the same or similar artists all the time as it's comfort zone stuff but for some artists it never varies the song choice.
If St Etiene pops up it's always "You're in a bad way" - for Spiritualized it's always "Ladies and Gentlemen..." - for The Damned it'd always "Eloise" - for The Fall it's "Repetition" (ikr).
I feel like it's reinforcing itself as it sees that those are my most played songs by those artists - but that's Spotify's fault!
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 07:54 (six years ago) link
that option is available to me. you have premium, right?
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 08:12 (six years ago) link
I appreciate that it's designed to give me the same or similar artists all the time as it's comfort zone stuff but for some artists it never varies the song choice.
this is the exact problem I had with pandora ~2007, fwiw -- for me it was every time EBTG showed up it was "No Difference"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
There’s a @drake for every mood. #ScorpionSZN is upon us. Listen now on Spotify. https://t.co/EnieG0XGh1 pic.twitter.com/bDBO7dlKwQ— Spotify (@Spotify) June 29, 2018
this is horrible
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 29 June 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Friday, 29 June 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
Must I pay 10 bucks a month and still have to see fucking drake every time I log in? *vomits*
― calstars, Saturday, 30 June 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
You can turn that bit off
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 30 June 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/VO1sMd5.jpg
― pplains, Monday, 2 July 2018 03:32 (six years ago) link
LOL!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Monday, 2 July 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
spotify isn't recommending drake to me at all so the past day or two of Discourse has been very confusing
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 2 July 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
You might need a firmware update
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 2 July 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
nah I'll pass
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 2 July 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
But it also turns all the songs you choose to play into Drake guest versions, what's not to like?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 2 July 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
I’ve never played Drake and don’t buy into his mopey robot schtick so not sure why the inundation
― calstars, Monday, 2 July 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
have never been more impatient for a company to fail than Spotify
https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5b3a854a8b7610470d0dd7a4/2:1/w_790/drake-spotify-2%20(1)%20(1).jpeg
― Milton Parker, Monday, 2 July 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
Yes, once Spotify fails you'll definitely never encounter Drake on Apple or Amazon...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
yea it is weird, some of my daily mixes are made up of stuff i haven't listened to in a year, but the stuff i listen to all the time now isn't even there
― marcos, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
I still play Daily Mixes because they are convenient but i'm pretty tired of seeing the exact same songs by the same 5-10 artists every day in there for months. For example, i've only ever been served Making Plans for Nigel by XTC.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
The "daily" part doesn't really seem to be true. I wish these changed a lot more.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
are labels the reason why youtube recommendations are 100x as good as spotify recommendations?
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
Song Radio >>> Daily Mix I feel but I overlooked the former as an option for too long and maybe there's no substantial difference
― shaqiri tip (nashwan), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link
lol YouTube recommendations are the worst
― niels, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
Spotify contender for best technology for music listeners since radio
Ah yes, you listened to a song, next here's a man skateboarding nude with razorblades in his scrotum, followed by two girls eating chillis.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 00:03 (six years ago) link
That doesn’t happen to me – I get on-point recommendations of other songs.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
Lol the best technology for listeners since the radio is crazy talk
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
Dan Ingram is turning over in his newly dug grave.
― Uncle Redd in the Zingtime (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
youtube has the song mixes and recommends me a lot of foreign out of print records and other obscurities, as well ofc as street guitarists, kids dancing to rap, live recordings and other things outside of spotify's purview, and spotify recommends me blondie, liars, carl craig and paul mccartney
― ogmor, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 07:52 (six years ago) link
I mean, I like spotify a lot and would pay quite a bit more for it if the money went to artists but in terms of recommendations it can't compete and I'm wondering if this is a user/bottom-up approach beating a labels/top-down one
― ogmor, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 07:54 (six years ago) link
it isn't that much of a difference, everybody's* music listening and discovering is mediated by labels, directly or indirectly
* with the possible exception of people on a message board
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link
I think there's a case to be made for the "bottom-up" approach being maybe superior, with Wikipedia (imperfect though it may be) as an obvious use case, given how much it's come to be relied upon / cited. Unlike Wikipedia, though, stuff gets pulled from YouTube all the time. Just look at any years-old ILM thread with a decent number of embeds.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
pssst
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1w75GyqYmFc5lvr4hp2vdWK/the-new-bbc-sounds-app
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
when yr being recommended out of print stuff I think it's safe to assume labels are not involved
― ogmor, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.stereogum.com/2004364/spotify-offers-refunds-for-excessive-drake-promotion/news/vindicated
― calstars, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
Seems like much ado over little to me, but I guess Spotify has learned their lesson...
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
... or they got enough $$$ from the label that a few refunds is trivial
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
I assume "a few refunds" is trivial in general for most companies
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
imagine asking for a refund for that.
― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
was more annoyed by spotify's promotion of its own voice control technology
― scopin' VARs (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
I hope this isn’t coming out of your bonus Glenn
― calstars, Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
surely glenn has come up with a more interesting name for that pay genre
― scopin' VARs (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
Every time somebody hits Next on a Drake song before the end, I get $.0001 for each second remaining. People laughed at me when I originally made this deal. "Who are 'Drake' and why would people need to skip them?"
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 6 July 2018 01:46 (six years ago) link
good analysis imo at the FT here (t.co link to get past the paywall, but google "Spotify: Drake-oil salesmen" if the link doesn't work
https://t.co/5PvVMWlO8E
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:00 (six years ago) link
The rogue KING has another new track out.
I laughed when this showed up as "Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark" on my release radar tho:https://open.spotify.com/track/3EJfmzhb9CNJT43ZGOP88U?si=LNlogGsdS0S-NdOte6Cd4Q
― Jeff W, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:34 (six years ago) link
Got both of those too - also a Squeeze that Spotify thinks is that Squeeze but isn't. This is definitely happening more often lately.
― shaqiri tip (nashwan), Saturday, 7 July 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
I got that "OMD" track too. Guessing those aren't guest bars.
― DJI, Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
Someone should rap over OMD's 'Sacred Heart' though.
― shaqiri tip (nashwan), Saturday, 7 July 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
Maddeningly, when I save a playlist on my iPad, it saves as ARTIST - ALBUM, but when I do it on the desktop app it saves as ALBUM - ARTIST
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 8 July 2018 09:52 (six years ago) link
This desktop behaviour appears to be a recent change -- I have an old playlist folder to which I drag albums as playlists on my desktop, and all previous entries are ARTIST – ALBUM, but suddenly now, newly dragged albums are named ALBUM – ARTIST. Grr.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
hey uh pretty sure that new Fucked Up song is...a different Fucked Up
― Simon H., Friday, 13 July 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
i’ve been reporting these mixups when they show up in release radar by clicking the three dots on the right hand side
― maura, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
ah!
― Simon H., Friday, 13 July 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Spotify just reminded me it’s fhe weekend and that it’s time to lay back and relax and maybe chill to some jamsNo shit bra?
― calstars, Saturday, 14 July 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
A few weeks ago it offered up a playlist — “Songs to Test Headphones With” (192,347 Followers)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 14 July 2018 01:30 (six years ago) link
The summer rewind playlist I got this year is really good!
I've seen “Songs to Test Headphones With” before--seems to be mostly "dads who are really into music" stuff iirc? Steely Dan, Roxy Music, etc
― Dan I., Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
Hey, but after checking it out I see that now Spotify has the real recording of Axel F! I think it was some fake 3rd party recreation before...
― Dan I., Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
Glad to see 'Songs to Test Headphones With' includes Happiness Is Easy by Talk Talk, that song was always my go-to for that back in the Discman era.
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
probably my single biggest gripe about the mobile app is that when it decides you're offline -- which has little or nothing to do with whether you're actually online -- the app is unusable until it decides you're online again, which can take ages
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
Oh yes, that is bad. It's about my only gripe really, apart from the startup time.
― Alba, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
I don't get that - you have premium, right? When it thinks I'm offline it still lets me play tracks I've downloaded.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
Smae here
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
..."downloaded"?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I have premium. I'm not talking about tracks I've downloaded but about ones I want to stream.
― Alba, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Which is mostly the way I listen, given that I have unlimited data but only 64GB on my phone.
― Alba, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
I get this too: I'm sea Ching and playing from the whole catalogue; my connection drops for whatever reason so the app goes into offline mode; in offline mode I can still search whatever tracks I have downloaded (stuff on my SD card, for instance); my connection is restored, but it takes ages (sometimes not until I've crashed and reopened) to recognise I'm back in online mode and want to search the whole catalogue. It's maddening.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
*searching,ffs.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
I do have premium but when I use mobile Spotify it's to stream (if a track's downloaded it's probably on my phone anyway)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
The app is bad both ways: if you’re online and then lose connection, it will try for ages to load a playlist even if it has it locally. Infuriating behaviour on the Tube. You can fix it by switching to offline mode but they hide that
― stet, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
yes, the "thinks you're offline" problem is the worst. the solution, which seems to be downloading stuff you really want to listen to reliably, also sucks because you end up filling up space to the point where the app needs to be deleted and re-downloaded to ever function properly again.
these two pretty big problems make it extra annoying when the app tries to sell you on using the new voice control feature you will never use and they wasted time on. squashing bugs doesn't dazzle investors, though.
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
Spotify would probably say "Tube use-case problems" are a tiny percentage of users and not worth dealing with.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
Right, tho otoh metro commuting is prime listening hours. And it's make or break stuff: if a service doesn't work on someone's commute and a competitor's does, it doesn't matter how rock solid they are elsewhere. (And fixing it for the specific case has general benefits for everyone. Mobile connections aren't reliable is true as ever)
― stet, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
i agree with everything you're saying
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
I was happy to see the app shrink in size when I “undownloaded” almost all of my library. Originally the app was 2.1 gigs and it shrank to about 1.6 or so. Better than nothing
― calstars, Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
There's a new 'delete cache' option in the latest version, but it, uh, doesn't seem to do anything - sizewise, at least. I'm resigned to the 'nuke from space' option once a month or so.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 19 July 2018 07:07 (six years ago) link
just checking that y'all don't have "offline mode" checked in preferences?
I stream from the desktop client when I'm at home but I never stream on mobile. Basically the mobile app is my main offline music player. With a 128GB SD card there is very little to worry about w/r/t storage space.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 19 July 2018 07:17 (six years ago) link
I finally figured it out. Should have checked this thread a month ago.
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 19 July 2018 08:06 (six years ago) link
Feel like I've complained about this recently, but for me the biggest mark against Spotify is the lack of search options. I used to be able to search for genre (which wasn't really all that useful given the often weird genre names), genre AND year, or by label, but the Mac desktop app doesn't appear to respect any of those anymore. I just did a search for a label and got nothing but a handful of playlists. Same thing for "Year:2017". It returned two songs, both with the word "year" and "2017" in the title. I guess they want us to use 3rd party apps to sift through their catalog. Maybe forcing the obsessive minority to jump through hoops puts less of a burden on their database servers or something.
― beard papa, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
That sucks. Was working until recently.
― DJI, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
OK.. I do have to say, though, that right after I posted that I started searching around for 3rd party apps that would help me put some new playlists together, and found this, and now I'm not getting any work done at all. I still don't see a way with this tool to cross reference genre, label, and year. I'd like to do something like: Generate a playlist of everything released on four labels between '86 and 94.
― beard papa, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
that looks p damn cool
― niels, Friday, 20 July 2018 06:52 (six years ago) link
FWIW, the genre/label/year searching still works in the web UI, and hopefully will return to the other apps before long...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 22 July 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
Phew! Seems like those queries can't possibly be as expensive as "make me a playlist of similar music to this other arbitrary playlist."
― DJI, Sunday, 22 July 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
does anyone know how to get playlists to show album titles in addition to song titles and artists?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
oh nm i see i just needed to expand the window
hey uh pretty sure that new Fucked Up song is...a different Fucked Up― Simon H., Friday, July 13, 2018 3:47 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki’ve been reporting these mixups when they show up in release radar by clicking the three dots on the right hand side― maura, Friday, July 13, 2018 3:57 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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How does this work? Using the OS X app, I see an option to "Suggest an Edit," which takes me to the Spotify Line-In web form, but I don't see a good way there to report a credits problem when two artists have the same name.
My last two Release Radar playlists have included new tracks by Spirit, but this Spirit is a contemporary act, not relevant to my listening history, whose discography has been garbled with that of the 1960s Spirit.
― Brad C., Friday, 27 July 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
I'm still wondering how to report same-name artists with garbled discographies.
This week's Release Radar included a brand-new Spanish-language single from T. Rex.
― Brad C., Sunday, 5 August 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link
I guess this is what I was looking for:
Spotify Metadata Feedback - Wrong Album Artist?
― Brad C., Sunday, 5 August 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
that "T-Rex" single is being fixed...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
― Brad C., Monday, 6 August 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
This week's Release Radar offered me songs by Maserati, Harmonia, Poco, and Love, but none of these are the bands I've listened to in the past. Occasional garbled metadata doesn't bother me but something seems to have changed in the last few weeks ... this is happening so frequently that Release Radar is no longer much fun.
― Brad C., Friday, 10 August 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
I had music from Crescent last week and Travis this week - neither are the bands I actually listen to.
(Yes, I still listen to Travis.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 10 August 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
A rapper called Cornelius this week for me. To be fair, Spotify knew enough to know it wasn't the other Cornelius so yeah it seems to be within Release Radar's algorithms that the problem mainly lies now.
― Jeff W, Sunday, 12 August 2018 07:41 (six years ago) link
It seems a bit odd that they don't require a unique artist identifier for submitted content, so they can quickly determine if artists are actually the same. You'd think that they'd require an artist submitting content under an existing name to prove that they are the same artist somehow? I suppose that there's just too much data (particularly, old data) to require this? So they use glenn's finer-resolution genre-ing (or something else) and have some cutoff where they'd guess that same-named artists must be different from each other. It seems like a solution that will always need to be tuned, allowing for some errors to occur, though.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
I wonder how search results get ordered, how misspellings are handled, and if the results are influenced by money.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
NO 2 Band ID cards
― Alba, Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
Wonder if a modern-day Negativland could release a new “U2” single
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
It can't be that difficult. Discogs manages this issue perfectly competently.
― kraudive, Sunday, 12 August 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
not really - anyone on Discogs can create a wrong version of an artist, or misattribute anything, and it'll only get fixed if another user a) notices it and b) knows or is able to research a definitive correction
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Sunday, 12 August 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
and yet I can't remember ever seeing an obvious mistake
― kraudive, Sunday, 12 August 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
Most of the historic cases of multipe artist same name mistakes have been fixed in the first few years of discogs, i ran into loads of these cases when I used to enter 90s rave/techno comps and 12”s, I swear half of these projects had a namesake from the 60s/70s.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 12 August 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
I have fixed many dozens in the last two years and have about twenty tabs currently open to get back to sometime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 13 August 2018 05:55 (six years ago) link
if I could remove remixes from my release radar I would
― niels, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 08:30 (six years ago) link
SAME
― maura, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
I shared your feedback about remixes with the Release Radar team, because it has been at least a week since I've complained about this myself.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
(small voice) I actually like hearing about remixes
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
Remix Radar
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
remixes jammin your radar
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
thanks Glenn!
― niels, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
I like hearing about a good remix of a track / artist I love
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
...so yes, what katherine said
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
I have mostly argued for putting a separate section of remixes at the bottom of the list, instead of mixing them in...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
yeah, and maybe a separate playlist for U2 remixes...
― niels, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 07:19 (six years ago) link
Sometimes i am browsing the internet on my phone while listening to spotify and the music cuts out because the website—often cnn or the washington post—automatically starts playing some little video ad—often far downscreen and on mute.
Coukd someone who works at spotify fix this? Like have the music override other content? It’s very annoying
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 27 August 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
Seconded
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 27 August 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
Let’s get a mod in here to take care of this
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 27 August 2018 12:08 (six years ago) link
kinda feel like that's more of a cnn/wpost issue
― niels, Monday, 27 August 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
nah it's a safari issue in general on apple--happens to me when im listening to itunes music as well.
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 August 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link
Maybe try installing an extension that disables (html5)autoplay?
― willem, Monday, 27 August 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
No dice if using Safari.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 27 August 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link
On ipad/iphone that is.
Are you listening to Spotify through the browser or the app?
― pplains, Monday, 27 August 2018 13:33 (six years ago) link
I see XTC have a new single out, called Internet
― MaresNest, Monday, 27 August 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
I have the same problem with chrome on my android phone
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
In other words, when I'm playing music on the spotify phone app, there are many websites I can't browse because their autoplay videos/ads override spotify.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
website autoplay should be fucking banned, i hate that shit
― marcos, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
I wonder how this showed up on my release radar:https://open.spotify.com/track/2gC6syANXZIQFTgpVPVIcT
a glitch in the matrix?
― niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
I got the same track, wtf
― Brad C., Friday, 31 August 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
As, sadly, did a <i>lot</i> of people. It's being fixed...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 31 August 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Glenn, any idea why when I add new albums to my New Music playlist, it takes a couple weeks before they start popping up in my shuffle queue?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
this isn't awful tbh
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
there have been far worse things on my release radar
I do not answer any questions about Shuffle.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Bummer
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
Irrationally angry that some generic dubstep guy called "Tar" showed up in my New Release Radar. Looked at all of the reporting options, but there doesn't seem to be one meant for a basic music fan to report name confusion. If I say I don't like Tar, I guess it will think I don't like the classic 90s band, so I just said I didn't like the song itself.
― beard papa, Friday, 7 September 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
I fixed the Tars.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
Oh, thanks! Right after I posted that, a rapper named “Rush” showed up.
― beard papa, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I got Jewel, Rush, Anakin and Travis already...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
haha yeah I got the Rush guy on my release radar today, wasn't too bad
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
I got retro-metal Them and rap KING in lieu of 60s Them and R&B KING ... both aight but
― Brad C., Friday, 7 September 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
I was going to let the Rush one go but then Spotify emailed me…
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1896/29609821867_de678aa53a_b.jpgScreen Shot NotRush
― Jeff W, Saturday, 8 September 2018 10:02 (six years ago) link
This week's RR turns up an alt Chic (Latinx rap).
― nashwan, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
Most of the historic cases of multipe artist same name mistakes have been fixed in the first few years of discogs, i ran into loads of these cases when I used to enter 90s rave/techno comps and 12”s, I swear half of these projects had a namesake from the 60s/70s.― Siegbran, Monday, August 13, 2018 7:10 AM (three weeks ago) I have fixed many dozens in the last two years and have about twenty tabs currently open to get back to sometime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, August 13, 2018 3:55 PM (three weeks ago)
― Siegbran, Monday, August 13, 2018 7:10 AM (three weeks ago)
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, August 13, 2018 3:55 PM (three weeks ago)
I've fixed 67 wrong-name-on-discogs-es since this post (including some ANVs, and the exact opposite problem of same artist multiple entries) but have only closed one of the earlier tabs
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Saturday, 8 September 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
I didn't think XTC had a song about social media, but RR set me straight this week.
― Vernon Locke, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 07:50 (six years ago) link
Using the web player (since I can't install the app at work.) Seems the order of my albums, which used to be alphabetical by artist, are now ordered by the date that I added them. Would really like to revert to the original view.
― doug watson, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link
Folders with lots of playlists in them now no longer display in the main window, just a big old black expanse
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 September 2018 01:13 (six years ago) link
Er, I still see the folder contents in the Mac version, at least. Which client are you using?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 September 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
OMG please don't ever take the folders away. It's bad enough Spotify removed the ability to shuffle within folders.
The day is going to come when Spotify does something to their UX that is going to utterly ruin the years of effort I've put into organizing my library. It happened once before when iTunes became Apple Music - and that was the day I never used the platform again.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
don't get sonos then, or any other system that hooks into the spotify api. folders don't come through in the api, and they ain't going to add them.
― Winner of the 2018 Great British Bae *cough* (ledge), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
although i don't see why they can't - there's a bug for it marked as WONTFIX for the following reason:The implementation of folders you see in the Desktop client is not one that lends itself to a resource-based API (for example, there are no folder IDs). Unfortunately this is something we are not technically able to implement. As a result, we are not able to support playlist folders in the Web API.which makes sense, but why not just add folder path as a string to each playlist resource and let clients rebuild the structure?yrs, a disgruntled owner of new sonos speakers.
― Winner of the 2018 Great British Bae *cough* (ledge), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
10,000 songs per device on five devices, like three years after the horse bolted
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
sonos drove me crazy for awhile, but at least they find the speakers. spotify cannot seem to regularly find the speakers through the "devices available" button. don't know who's at fault. anyway, I'm addicted to the sonos app queueing system now
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
the hit box for the three vertical dots in the sonos app's tracks lists is also hilariously small. it is basically the exact same setup as spotify but not usable - you either select the track to play now or cause the hidden scroll bar to appear. I only recently learned that you can select and hold the track to bring up the same menu in both apps.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 September 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
Excellent news for my use! Odd that the web player can't change the order.
― maffew12, Thursday, 13 September 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
PC desktop version. Some folders still seem to work, but most of them just do this when I click on them:https://image.ibb.co/naqqpp/Untitled.png
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 14 September 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
Release Radar is better this week, no weird same-name bands, a nice selection across genres
― Brad C., Saturday, 15 September 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
only yesterday did I realize how the local music function works - I can actually sync the bootlegs and rarities on my PC onto my phone!
trick is to activate local music (basically just point to your music folder(s)) on the desktop app, create a playlist with the local tracks you want to play on the go, then download that list from mobile device (needs to be on same wifi as desktop, I believe)
there's probably all sorts of limitations (no flac for one) but I'm streaming my Hissing of Summer Lawns demos on the go now, and it rules!
― niels, Saturday, 15 September 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
Yes, they don't make this obvious!
― Alba, Saturday, 15 September 2018 09:25 (six years ago) link
Having Spotify pick up all my local music made the app hopelessly unuseable so now I am copying local tracks in my playlists to a dedicated folder just for the app to refer to. Pretty dumb but at least it finds them instantly now.
― nashwan, Saturday, 15 September 2018 11:19 (six years ago) link
And yeah we could probably use a 'I don't like remixes of this artist' as much as the 'I don't like this song/artist' option in RR.
― nashwan, Saturday, 15 September 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
I spoke too soon about the absence of same-name bands in this week's RR ... rap Santana is not elderly Santana
― Brad C., Saturday, 15 September 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
is that a Juelz Santana track that’s been tagged as just Santana or is there a new rap Santana
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Saturday, 15 September 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
not sure, here's the track -- https://open.spotify.com/track/0DN9l3WjYWqTf6GEOQnCG6
― Brad C., Saturday, 15 September 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/sep/19/spotify-sued-gender-discrimination-equal-pay-violation
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
lol "Out on the Weekend" on my Discover Weekly!
― niels, Monday, 24 September 2018 07:00 (six years ago) link
Why are all the songs in Prince's Lovesexy lumped into one continuous 45:03 track?
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
Only Prince can answer that one
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
lol @ post-CD era ilxors
― sleeve, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
(morris I like you, but yah this is legit funny)
OK, I looked it up:
The early edition of the compact disc features all content on a single track. Some later editions featured nine separate tracks. The single track version of the album is available for purchase at digital stores such as Google Play and the iTunes Store. For streaming services such as Apple Music and Spotify, the album is also listed as one track.
I was supposed to know this offhand? LOL
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
(I'm hardly "post-CD era," just never owned this CD!)
I had “Batman” on cassette, if that helps establish my cred.
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
Good lord, this thread just days away from being ten years old.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
Ten years ago,On a cold, dark night
― Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
some poor musicians were robbed'neath the town hall light
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
I signed up for a (trial) subscription a few days ago, after resisting doing that (for any streaming service) for so long.
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
it's such a thrill, hope you enjoy it
― niels, Thursday, 27 September 2018 07:13 (six years ago) link
she hopes these songs have a long, long taaaaaaailshe scrobbles herself, it's a royalty faaaaaaailnobody knowsnobody seesthese premium tiers (tears) aren't freeeee
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 September 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link
you can use google to search for playlists containing specific songs, for example:site:spotify.com inurl:playlist "pour aisha"
I was thinking this might help me find songs similar to some of my favorite deep cuts
can't say it's paid off yet
― niels, Thursday, 27 September 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
Pretty awesome find anyway, thanks!
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
Lol, Tracer
― Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
Still no lossless option. OK, a premium option is going to be a niche market but if people are willing to pay extra for a higher quality option then I’m sure they could easily monetise it. If it wasn’t for 8 years of playlists, I’d be considering Tidal.
https://www.avclub.com/it-is-with-a-heavy-heart-that-we-report-that-tidal-is-g-1829329262
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 30 September 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
I'm all for higher bitrates (why not) but I've AB'd enough formats and tracks with different bitrates to be p skeptical when reading stuff like "Tidal’s music is punchier and scuzzier and sweeter exactly when it should be. Put on something you’ve heard a thousand times and try it from a few different sources, and you’ll be able to hear the difference"
― niels, Monday, 1 October 2018 07:30 (six years ago) link
Wow, i gotta say, that at least from a "variety of artists" angle, Spotify is fucking awesome!!! Linton Kwesi Johnson, The Residents, Gene Clark, Minutemen, Peter Grudzien, Shaggs, Lee Perry, A Certain Ratio, Pearls Before Swine, Screaming Trees, Gong, Motorhead, Parliament/Funkadelic, Leonard Cohen , Thelonious Monk, Kevin Drumm, and The Sonics! All one after the other. It's like a good set on WFMU. Which is very good, indeed. Much more "deep", IMHO, than the competitio. Infinitely deeper than YouTube's new attempt at curated radio, that's for damn sure. I should've got this as soon as i got this phone. I certainly will from now on.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
CompetitioN, that is. Meaning, of course, Pandora, that new YouTube p.o.s. Etc. Anyway, yes i know i'm late to the party on this, but so far i'm definitely liking it.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
And lots of Scott Walker!!
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
This thread is mostly tech support now, right? Because my app has suddenly got suuuuuper janky the last few days - randomly stops, starts, skips tracks, as if someone else’s is controlling it. It’s driving me nuts.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 4 October 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link
Oh well, i was just throwing that out there. I wasn't sure where to drop it. I know i'm very late to the Spotify "party". In any case, please continue and don't let my newbie enthusiasms derail things. Good luck with your situation. I hope it all pans out for u.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 02:25 (six years ago) link
Oh no, I wasn’t talking specifically to you - you did drop that in the right place. I was being facetious about my own troubles.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 4 October 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
This shuffle thing is driving me nuts. I'm quickly turning into a shuffle truther.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 October 2018 05:29 (six years ago) link
wait, what's the shuffle truth? i want to believe
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 October 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
It refuses to include certain songs and even entire albums in the shuffle. It also plays certain songs way more than it should. For some reason, it takes a weeks for new tracks in my list to enter the shuffle rotation. I just want a real shuffle.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 October 2018 05:35 (six years ago) link
as much as I like Spotify, I have to say I am also a shuffle truther
― niels, Thursday, 4 October 2018 06:13 (six years ago) link
Personally, i've had those sorts of problems with basically every computer-based music player when in shuffle mode. Whole albums ignored for days and yet, such and such song gets played 12 times in same time frame. And thats winamp, wmp, vlc, shit i can't remember all their names, but every last one was flawed, in that mode. These days i just go alphabetical. Usually works well.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 06:32 (six years ago) link
And i do that on my Android phone as well.
― VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Thursday, 4 October 2018 06:34 (six years ago) link
The truther part really ramps up when I hit shuffle, then pull up the queue and carefully inspect it, then play the last song in the queue, so that it refreshes, then inspect it again, over and over, looking for clues.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 October 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
― niels, Thursday, 4 October 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
are some people are upset because shuffle isn't playing the stuff they want to hear? that's now how shuffle works
I mean sure it's sometimes going to play three songs from the same album relatively close together or will play some songs and albums more than others, this happens because it's random.
― silverfish, Thursday, 4 October 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
https://saintlad.com/spotify-shuffle-play-is-not-random/
― sleeve, Thursday, 4 October 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Spotify responds:
https://labs.spotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-songs/
― sleeve, Thursday, 4 October 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that's pretty old, doesn't really address the problem I'm seeing.
I get that actual random shuffling will sometimes give you three on a row from the same album or whatever.
The issue I have is that I can shuffle and reshuffle all I want, but it refuses to play tracks from specific albums. This happens with new albums that I add to my list. It always takes a few weeks at a minimum before it starts showing tracks from certain new albums in the shuffle queue.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 October 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
Ok, I work at Spotify but I don't work on Shuffle, but I still have to ask: if you want to hear some stuff from specific albums, why don't you just play those? Or make a shorter "recent discoveries" playlist instead of hoping any semi-randomizer happens to hit the 1% or .1% you want it to from your big list?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 4 October 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
so this is my shorter recent discoveries list, and it's closer to about 10% of tracks that just never come up. I do indeed end up listening to those individual records on their own outside of the shuffle, but my preference is to mix it up and just let it play. I suspect if I dig far enough down into the queue these tracks will eventually show up, but it's strange that they get pushed to the bottom.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 October 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
if you want to hear some stuff from specific albums, why don't you just play those
lazyness certainly plays a big part in my use of shuffle
sometimes when I don't know what I want to hear I go to Songs (I've saved tons of albums to my "virtual record collection") and press shuffle, result is usually very enjoyable, inspiring
I also have a few playlists, for instance my favorite tracks from 2018 list, that I frequently update and where I can't really remember the content, so I often listen to it on shuffle
but somehow, after hours and hours of shuffling these playlists, I have a distinct feeling that (a few) certain songs come up again and again while other songs never come up, and so the shuffle thing doesn't work that well for keeping me acquainted with what's on my lists
I can't really be bothered to put in hours to verify if I'm crazy or if there's a glitch in the programming, but my impression certainly is that the shuffle function isn't perfect, and sometimes I'll shuffle the sequencing manually (similar effect to sorting alphabetically, but you can do it over and over) to improve the shuffle experience
― niels, Friday, 5 October 2018 09:39 (six years ago) link
https://uploadir.com/u/u46ogbxx.gif
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 October 2018 10:20 (six years ago) link
― niels, Friday, 5 October 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link
he’s sequencing his shuffle (American sports slang™)
― breastcrawl, Friday, 5 October 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
I wonder if pseudo randomization works best for smaller sized lists, and that the weird effects of true randomization are less noticeable with larger lists.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 5 October 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
Is there a way to sync the mobile app with the desktop app, in terms of recent searches, last album played, etc.? The two apps seem to keep those details entirely separate (even though I'm signed in to my acct. on both); so it's not "seamless" to switch from one to other (i.e., from desk to car).
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
lol, the banner photo for Roger Eno is a picture of Brian Eno
― WmC, Saturday, 6 October 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
I will try to figure out who controls that, and tell them...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 6 October 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
that would be his own record company, right?
― niels, Saturday, 6 October 2018 10:14 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/05/10-years-of-spotify-should-we-celebrate-or-despair?CMP=share_btn_fb
Amusing to read that the 'pro' argument includes such pearls as "its 320kbps “high quality” setting will satisfy all but the most sensitive listener... " which reads like Spotify wrote it themselves.
― piscesx, Sunday, 7 October 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
A con they missed is the shitty editorialising of Spotify-created playlists e.g. "great tunes old and new, for fans of real music" is the description of an 80 track playlist called Transistor dominated by 90s/00s white dudes with guitars while the 'Sweet Soul Sunday' playlist promoted next to it manages to say the first bit without the patronising pandering of the last bit.
― nashwan, Sunday, 7 October 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
Anyone know how to get a "more like this" but only with new stuff? Would be great for trying to find new dance music releases...
― DJI, Monday, 15 October 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
^^second this request
something that might help you is this "trick" I mentioned a bit upthread:
― niels, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 06:45 (six years ago) link
does discover weekly rely purely on user playlists? that would explain why listening to autechre's nts sessions for about 8 hours each week for a month has had zero effect on mine - searching for a track using that google trick finds a massive 8 playlists, 2 of which are generic new release playlists and the rest are just the nts sessions themselves.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 08:48 (six years ago) link
Does anyone know why the queueing tracks vanish when you shut your iPhone down? Even just closing the app itself makes it disappear too i think. Any trick ways of getting the queue to 'stay' so that when you close Spotify it's still there later?
― piscesx, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:16 (six years ago) link
This has been happening with increasing regularity on my iPhone as well, over the past couple of months. It doesn’t happen every time you close the app (or when the app closes itself, which happens a lot too), but more often than not it does. Extremely annoying, and something that was never a problem before.
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:38 (six years ago) link
Yeah it's definitely a new thing innit? I thought it was just me!
― piscesx, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:00 (six years ago) link
Huh, I did not realize I had "Keep on listening to similar tracks when your music ends" until just now, when my La Monte Young playlist auto-segued itself to Cutting Crew.
― mick signals, Friday, 19 October 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
wait, there are La Monte Young records on Spotify?
― sleeve, Friday, 19 October 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
heh, even when they change their Spotify handle there's no escape from the imposters:
https://open.spotify.com/track/5gJB7T4UtlnJ4YSuu3E34c?si=by0JiJekTmGbPWLJDgLZSg
― Jeff W, Friday, 19 October 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
2 songs in this week's DW that I absolutely certainly have streamed on numerous occasions on this very account:Mulatu Astatke - Tezeta Ramsey Lewis - Rocky Raccoon
What might be the explanation?
― niels, Monday, 22 October 2018 06:37 (six years ago) link
Not able to access the web browser version at work this morning because Spotify is "making a few little improvements." No access, no explanations, and no estimated time to return. This a good reminder of why I don't rely solely on streaming services.
― doug watson, Monday, 22 October 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link
xp It's fairly common for me to see tracks in DW I have streamed before ... I have 4-5 today, I think
the web client is loading normally for me this morning
― Brad C., Monday, 22 October 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
It's weird how certain songs keep coming back to my discover weekly. I think this is the fourth time I got Films by Gary Numan.
― silverfish, Monday, 22 October 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
but... that's not supposed to happen?!
― niels, Monday, 22 October 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
https://onegiantread.literatureworks.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/04/i-robot-feature-450x296.jpg
anyone finding the shuffle button is behaving strangely? if I've added new songs to a playlist I'm finding the shuffle concentrates almost wholly on those songs.
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 08:50 (six years ago) link
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/9/79/398467957-HALquotes_006-e1363869879703.jpg
― niels, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 09:08 (six years ago) link
That's the opposite of what happens to me. Shuffle never wants to play the stuff that was added recently.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
Seems like Discover Weekly has had some sort of reset or algorithmic shift - getting lots of tracks I've played a lot already and more familiar artists than usual.
Also seems like the mini artwork avatar display has gone but I liked using this to go the track in playlist situ (tho this was never an obvious way of doing that) - is there no way of doing that now?
Buggy playlists view now too - width keeps adjusting as I scroll within that frame.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
The "character" of DW noticeably changed for me this week, I agree. For the better, though! I got some tracks that were a little more mainstream than usual, but which in being reminded of I realized I did like more than I had previously realized. Kind of an "oh yeah, I forgot about that good track!" week. Foremost among these rediscoveries was NRBQ's Magnet, which I've loved but just forgotten about for years.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
(n.b. I had never, to my knowledge played or liked any of the tracks that appeared--I'd just listened to them in the past pre-spotify)
― Dan I., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
Two Wings songs, though. :(
― Dan I., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
minor gripe: the date given for albums is the date they were added to spotify and there's no way of seeing the original release date.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Thursday, 25 October 2018 09:21 (six years ago) link
p sure Revolver wasn't added to spotify in 1966?
― niels, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:09 (six years ago) link
Imagine there's not much commercial impetus for accurate metadata around original release date. Some old albums do have it correctly on there, though – I've had fun with using dates in the search (still seems to work for the web player)
eg: https://open.spotify.com/search/results/year%3A1974%20genre%3Areggae
― Alba, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:12 (six years ago) link
(xpost)
― Alba, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:13 (six years ago) link
i concede this is correct for some, many, perhaps even most albums, i must have just hit a bad patch. please mentally insert a 'when' after the colon in my previous post.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
Nah, I think most of the time it's the reissue date - you're not just in a bad patch.
― Alba, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:45 (six years ago) link
The dates come from the licensors, and it's true that they are sometimes not correct in a real-world sense, particularly on reissues. We (Spotify) can override and fix individual ones, but there are far too many to do this at any kind of scale...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 25 October 2018 11:57 (six years ago) link
Fairly simple, just run a script periodically with an artist + album query against the discogs db (you can download the db offline for added speed), that’s how I cleaned up my iTunes library. I’m willing to bet that this takes an intern about two days.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 25 October 2018 12:41 (six years ago) link
release dates for everything would be so nice
I will settle for please please restoring the cover art display next to track title and artist...or just a more obvious 'go to this song in playlist' prompt
― nashwan, Thursday, 25 October 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
I still see the cover art and it still works to take me to the playlist. What platform are you on?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
I wish all clients had the same sorting and search functionality.I wish you could advanced filter your own collection of saved music. (genre, year, label, etc.)I wish I could find an album on the macOS client that I’d saved on my iOS device.
― beard papa, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
I wish I was a little bit taller
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
Hey Glenn I am on Win 10 desktop but the Microsoft store version (reluctantly), thanks!Also a lot of tracks 10 minutes or longer are now disabled. Saw something about this being UMG trying to encourage purchases of them on iTunes? Infuriating.
― nashwan, Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
https://artists.spotify.com/blog/learn-how-to-get-playlisted-with-two-new-game-plan-episodes
― DJI, Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
oh great, now "playlisted" is a verb
― portugal. the bland (sleeve), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
it predates Spotify tbf
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
Oh, Windows. I don't know anything about that, but I'll ask somebody...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 25 October 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
No, nashwan, it wasn't removed. Get @SpotifyCares to help you figure out what's going wrong for you...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 26 October 2018 06:12 (six years ago) link
metadata issue for the new boygenius EP - "boygenius" is an artist, but it only shows their three singles - not the EP. in order to find the EP, you have to type in one of the 3 member's names (julien baker, phoebe bridger, or lucy dacus), where it's then displayed as an album.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 October 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
That case/lang/viers album from a couple years back was the same way.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 26 October 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I saw some discussion of that boygenius credit go by already. People are on it.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 26 October 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
all but one of my multi-room speaker groups (amazon echo) won’t show up in spotify. nothing anywhere on the internet. i have no fucking idea what is going on.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 27 October 2018 10:02 (six years ago) link
now my stereo pair won't work. it's just deciding to hide random speakers for no reason. i have wasted hours on this flaky dumb shit.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 27 October 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
Now I’ve got Spotify reminding me to vote when I open the app. The more they move away from just playing the music the closer I come to canceling
― calstars, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link
Cut 'em some slack, Jack
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
“Workout Twerkout” playlist is the closest I’ve come to cancellation.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:48 (six years ago) link
They're feeding me Cat Power's "Woman" into Jackson Browne's "The Load Out" on my daily playlist, and they've got me figured out.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link
Caviar the Vote!
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
Also a lot of tracks 10 minutes or longer are now disabled.]
Re-enabled now. That was a scary week.
― nashwan, Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Spotify stock closed today at an all-time low. The company's market value has declined by a whopping 0 billion since July 26. https://t.co/k20rCCfxLU Here's what I wrote back then, and it's all coming true. https://t.co/XbZuCj0lCk— Ted Gioia (@tedgioia) November 1, 2018
― jaymc, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
probably not related, but i’ve just signed back up after years away, and the (ios at least) interface is so much clunkier than everything else i’ve been using (apple music, google play music, amazon music). along with the weird spotify connect issues i’ve been having, there’s no compelling reason for me to keep subscribing.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
Yeah -- I qualified for a 3-month Amazon Music trial, so I've been using that instead, and I like the mobile interface a lot more. (I haven't done a deep dive into how the selection compares.)
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
This Spotify thing is what I expected - the labels will end up setting royalty rates low enough for the company to survive (as long as it stays on the ball tech-wise) as a competitor to the tech giants but not so low that they can ever make serious money. Good for the future of the platform, not much in it for 3rd party investors.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 1 November 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
I don't mind the UI but if Spotify ever disables API access (for DJ apps), I'll bail.
― DJI, Thursday, 1 November 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
my #1 Spotify UI complaint is that when you clear the search bar by clicking the X, it also navigates away from whatever you were just looking at and brings you to "Recently Played"
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 November 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
yeah that kills me on the reg. but would Spotify really be Spotify without many pointless interstitial taps?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 November 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
what would people suggest instead of Spotify then? Google's music interface looks even clunkier than spotify's, Apple can go do one, Tidal is more expensive (twice?), anyone had experience with Deezer?
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
Apple can go do one?
― Mordy, Friday, 2 November 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
I'll find it hard to forgive apple for the agony iTunes gave me when I was synching up my 20GB iPod back in the day. Is their music app not shit now?
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
as in, has their app moved from shit to not-shit?
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
I've tried both google play and deezer and neither is as good as spotify, despite spotify's flaws. Never tried apple music because I have heard it is not very good on android and doesn't support casting. I guess I should give Tidal a shot at some point.
― silverfish, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
thanks. I'm fine sticking with Spotify tbh, none of the niggles really hurt me.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
Try Amazon, I’m tellin’ ya. I ordered a 2CD and somehow qualified for three months of Amazon Music; maybe you can figure out how to trigger that promotion
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
iTunes is incredibly powerful as a local music library manager (esp with scripts), but I’m sticking with Spotify in the browser for streaming.
― Siegbran, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
The new spotify app is finally available for roku. Only problem is you have to have the latest roku OS, and the roll out for that could extend through the end of the year.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 3 November 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
― calstars, Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link
Doug's scripts for iTunes are the ones i know - i haven't looked at the site for years but i think he keeps them updated
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
Amazon seems shit unless you ONLY want to listen to an act's most recent album. This is in Australia, though, where every aspect of Amazon is more expensive and less good than everywhere else in the world.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 3 November 2018 08:30 (six years ago) link
Indeed the Doug’s scripts site is a great resource but I’ve also written a few myself to scrape info like year/genre through the Discogs API and Google.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 3 November 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
Yikes
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20181105005454/en/Spotify-Announces-Stock-Repurchase-Program-1.0-Billion
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 5 November 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
I approve of this
Welcome online, Adam Rickitt! Abandoned pop's digital revivalSome of the biggest 90s and 00s pop hits are now available to stream, thanks to one dogged fan’s Twitter campaign, Pop Music Activism
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/nov/06/pop-online-forgotten-90s-00s-hits-pop-music-activism?CMP=fb_gu
― Alba, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
https://thanksgiving.withspotify.com/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 9 November 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
i am blown away by how terrible spotify is compared to when i stopped paying two years ago.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 06:34 (six years ago) link
and right now spotify's displaying track 2 but playing track 4 and that's only coming out of one speaker
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 06:38 (six years ago) link
i'm not having any of the problems you are (except the albums/saved artist thing, which is the design)
maybe try restarting your computer, or buying a new computer?
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 10 November 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link
but yeah, if you were using the same computer 2 years ago and didn't have any of those problems, i can see why that would be really frustrating
believe me i've tried restarting, reinstalling, regrouping speakers, everything, makes no difference. i use apple and google (and sometimes amazon prime) music and they're all fine.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 06:53 (six years ago) link
right now it's just started playing track 13 of the same album, and like three seconds in the display suddenly jumped to track 14 for no reason whatsoever, but track 13 is still playing.
with a few days in this sub month i'm almost completely uninvested in trying to fix any of these daft bugs, just entertained by how kak it is.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 07:03 (six years ago) link
maybe try buying CDs?
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Saturday, 10 November 2018 07:04 (six years ago) link
what is this “buy” music
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 07:29 (six years ago) link
This 'mouse' is awful. I can barely move it with my foot and the buttons seem to be for someone with two massive toes.
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 10 November 2018 11:10 (six years ago) link
i am blown away by how terrible spotify is compared to when i stopped paying two years ago.discover weekly claims it's "updated every monday" but i'm still seeing a playlist from 2016 (same with release radar)
discover weekly claims it's "updated every monday" but i'm still seeing a playlist from 2016 (same with release radar)
Maybe those playlists are premium features if they stopped at the same time you stopped paying.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 10 November 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
I've never had any of those issues, very strange
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 November 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
Maybe those playlists are premium features if they stopped at the same time you stopped paying.i’m paying now though
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
how long ago did you start paying again? maybe it just takes a few weeks to analyze your listening and come up with a new discovery playlist
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 10 November 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
yeah i’m guessing that’s what it is (despite me actively using it on premium for weeks), but i can’t see that written anywhere. i’ve just unfollowed it to see if that kickstarts anything.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 10 November 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
someone posted on this thread a few months ago about the albums saved to their library would now only display in the order they were added, rather than a-z by artist
the same thing happened to me, so I guess this is an across the board thing - does anyone know if there's a way to change this?
― soref, Sunday, 11 November 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
this is on apple watches now
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
can people with the free version of Spotify search for playlists? i'm assuming they can, but it's been awhile. i want to share a "mix" with a friend, and the easiest way i can think of to do it is to make a spotify playlist, but he doesn't have the paid version.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 November 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
If you right click on the playlist you can copy the link and send it to him via text/mail.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 19 November 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
sweet, thanks!
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 November 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
canned this. got three months of amazon music unlimited for au$1 and it's already better.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 25 November 2018 06:56 (six years ago) link
amazon has less music in the US. I use it for sonos moana soundtrack kid time though
― Tom: I do all the bills. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:11 (six years ago) link
amazon is good at ops and nothing else. imo you won't be happier with it.
― Tom: I do all the bills. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:12 (six years ago) link
yeah i'm pretty sure i won't be happier with it, but for a dollar i'll get in a load of streaming until february and then just cancel. between apple and google i'm well sorted.
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:14 (six years ago) link
(off-topic, sorry)
Spotify excitingly now losing local files it has been able to play for months or years
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 25 November 2018 11:37 (six years ago) link
King currently being listed as We Are King ?
― nashwan, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
hmmm.. my 'Spotify Wrapped' thing isn't working very well - I'm getting a blank screen with an arrow that does nothing at the bottom. Still, nice to see a playlist of my most listened to songs
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link
What are Tastebreakers?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
it's "a playlist of artists and songs from genres and artists you don't normally explore" which is a bit strange as there are artists and albums shared with my "your top songs 2018" playlist and it's almost entirely stuff that is exactly like what I would listen to and sometimes definitely have already.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link
so disappointed that glenn's micro music genres were not used in 2018 wrapped analysis - instead we get broad generic clusters: indie, pop, dance / electronic, rock, metal. (Just like the recent reorganized Spotify Android App, top genres)
whatever happened to the likes of vapor soul and vapor twitch. Instead my top genre was "indie"
Then on the 2018 spotify wrapped one of my top tracks listed of the 5 - doesn't even feature in the top 100 tracks !
Spotify Wrapped was so much better a few years back, circa 2014 and 2015. Even last year the analysis stated how many micro genres you listened to, i think mine was 73. This year no idea !
The project manager of Spotify Wrapped needs to be replaced with Glenn next year.
― djmartian, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
also i read on reddit that the analysis only covers up to October 31st, so all the listening stats in November are missing.
― djmartian, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
yeah the tastebreaker thing isn't too convincing but I mean the stuff in there looks like stuff I already like and listen to so I'll give it a go
― niels, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Anybody who is willing to have their 2018 microgenre list shared in this thread, state your Spotify username and I'll look it up.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
According to it one of my top 5 artists and tracks is by someone called Jess & Gabriel, which according to last.fm I've never played. Weird as the rest of the top 100 seems spot on.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
There's a Momus track on my Tastebreakers list that recycles a gag from Flight of the Conchords. Just thought I'd share this important information.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
I got that track too!?
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
mine has a bunch of stuff that i've not only listened to this year but have saved.
and a fucking momus song
― adam, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
Glenn - I'm sb0ut0n on Spotify, feel free to share
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
Glenn, please share w1nt3rmut3 thanks!
― Dan I., Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
(also I invite everyone to contemplate with me how a username one thought was clever when one was 12 does not in fact age like a fine wine and yet is very difficult to make oneself stop using)
― Dan I., Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
i find "tastebreakers" weird and scolding. why is it spotify's business if i want to continue listening to the same genres.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
how can i tell what my username is?
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
You can get your username by going to your Profile page, clicking the "..." button and picking Share -> Copy Profile Link. It's the bit between "/user/" and "?".
sb0ut0n, yours just says "art pop".
w1nt3rmut3: funk, rock, soul, neo-psychedelic, indietronica, art pop, freak folk, dance rock, indie pop, art rock, alternative rock, quiet storm, dream pop, soft rock, motown, indie rock, new wave, chillwave, folk-pop, classic rock, folk rock, noise pop, modern rock, preverb, disco, permanent wave, afrobeat, mellow gold, electronic, nu gaze, alternative dance, new wave pop, new romantic, new rave, psychedelic rock, world, lo-fi, folk, classic soul, chamber pop, melancholia, jazz funk, ambient, deep funk, indie r&b, fourth world, afropop, indie psych-rock, album rock, indie folk, experimental rock, roots rock, protopunk
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/user/mordys?si=BlMuMaWYRgyF6CJHSg_eLQ
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
Glenn, any idea why a track by an artist I've never played is #1 on my top 100?
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
― Dan I., Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
126112611 for microgenres thank you glenn. Fascinated by this data even as i put up resistance outwardly.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
bradcahoon, thx Glenn
― Brad C., Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
lol, thanks, I must be doing something wrong with my listening but that's OK
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Glenn, any idea why a track by an artist I've never played is #1 on my top 100?https://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2000_Me__Myself___Irene/000MMI_Jim_Carrey_057.jpg
― niels, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
I'm jones68.
Oh boy, Shawn Mendes looms large in my 2018 favourites. Curse you, younger daughter! Apparently Rio Part III by Keith Jarrett was the first thing I listened to this year. I have no memory of that.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
mordys: folk-pop, modern rock, art pop, indie pop, chamber pop, indie rock, freak folk, indie folk, rock, indie r&b, indietronica, emo, electropop, jazz, contemporary jazz, contemporary post-bop, pop, vocal jazz, pop rock, bebop, classical piano, classical performance, stomp and holler, escape room, chamber psych, cool jazz, hard bop, folk, free jazz, new americana, indie jazz, folk rock, jazz fusion, singer-songwriter, alternative emo, soul jazz, funk, jazz funk, dance pop, preverb, neo-psychedelic, avant-garde jazz, afropop, classic rock, mellow gold, world, pop punk, classical, alternative rock, art rock, roots rock, afrobeat, rap, melancholia, permanent wave, experimental, indie punk, jazz saxophone, brill building pop, traditional folk, mande pop, free improvisation
Treeship: modern rock, indie rock, indie pop, rock, folk-pop, chamber pop, permanent wave, art pop, alternative rock, freak folk, neo-psychedelic, rap, indie folk, pop rap, dance rock, new wave, lo-fi, indietronica, stomp and holler, pop rock, art rock, noise pop, dream pop, pop, anti-folk, preverb, new wave pop, garage rock, slow core, melancholia, new romantic, hip hop, classic rock, singer-songwriter, brooklyn indie, indie r&b, dance pop, electronic, new rave, uk post-punk, garage psych, chillwave, folk rock, alternative dance, escape room, post-punk, metropopolis, electropop, twee pop, trap music, mellow gold, dance-punk, album rock, chamber psych, roots rock, folk, fourth world, shimmer pop, new americana, trip hop, microhouse, no wave, southern hip hop, psychedelic rock, nu gaze, shoegaze, c86, experimental rock, new weird america, indie psych-rock, experimental, noise rock, experimental pop
bradcahoon: jazz, bebop, contemporary post-bop, cool jazz, rock, art rock, classic rock, psychedelic rock, hard bop, vocal jazz, fourth world, jazz fusion, folk rock, soul jazz, album rock, blues-rock, swing, stride, contemporary jazz, neo-psychedelic, big band, mellow gold, roots rock, dance rock, jazz saxophone, new wave, freak folk, jazz piano, free jazz, space rock, art pop, alternative rock, jazz funk, soft rock, post-punk, dark jazz, adult standards, avant-garde jazz, uk post-punk, hard rock, ambient, protopunk, jazz guitar, southern rock, folk, dream pop, permanent wave, indie rock, folk-pop, noise pop, funk, new weird america, new romantic, chamber psych, experimental, experimental rock, norwegian jazz, garage rock, canterbury scene, soul, new wave pop, compositional ambient, electric blues, british blues, country rock, power pop, symphonic rock, krautrock, pub rock, jazz trumpet, no wave, drone, singer-songwriter, stoner metal, stoner rock, indietronica, freakbeat, electronic, psychedelic doom, lo-fi, industrial, british invasion, modern rock, zolo, chillwave, chamber pop, dance-punk, punk, indie pop, slow core, melancholia, lounge, blues, indie jazz, cabaret, merseybeat, jangle pop, punk blues, retro metal, bubblegum pop, drift, glam rock, shoegaze, indie folk, intelligent dance music, classic garage rock, classic soul, noise rock, progressive rock, traditional blues, deep funk, heartland rock, hauntology, jazz blues, mandible, microhouse, southern soul, fluxwork, classical performance, doom metal, afrobeat, warm drone, vintage jazz, sludge metal, japanese jazz, motown, ragtime, free improvisation, dixieland, memphis soul, brill building pop, post-doom metal
jones68: art rock, new wave, dance rock, rock, art pop, new wave pop, fourth world, alternative rock, electronic, post-punk, new romantic, uk post-punk, permanent wave, chamber psych, dream pop, synthpop, neo-psychedelic, indie rock, ambient, melancholia, shoegaze, noise pop, trip hop, folk-pop, psychedelic rock, compositional ambient, britpop, drone, chamber pop, pop rock, slow core, dance-punk, dance pop, glam rock, garage rock, experimental, modern rock, mellow gold, freak folk, pop, classic rock, experimental rock, folk rock, soft rock, lo-fi, album rock
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Dan Worsley, the usual reason would be that your account is being used in some context you aren't thinking about, like connected to a TV or a Google Home or something.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
i am lumpygravy
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
“Permanent wave”!
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
lumpygravy: art pop, fluxwork, outsider house, fourth world, float house, microhouse, art rock, dance rock, ambient, new wave, chamber psych, freak folk, dub techno, mandible, experimental, minimal techno, uk post-punk, drone, post-punk, noise pop, dream pop, experimental rock, intelligent dance music, neo-psychedelic, new romantic, new wave pop, detroit techno, compositional ambient, indietronica, bass music, electronic, techno, indie rock, no wave, indie r&b, electra, rock, chillwave, mellow gold, experimental pop, acid house, soft rock, industrial, alternative rock, escape room, deep house, preverb, classic rock, slow core, warm drone, chicago house, modern rock, vaporwave, future garage, tech house, lo-fi, folk-pop, shoegaze, gothic rock, new weird america, nu gaze, chamber pop, canterbury scene, dance-punk, indie pop, electropop, synthpop, album rock, electro, hauntology, dark jazz, psychedelic rock, garage psych, blues-rock, scottish new wave, alternative dance, noise rock, folk rock, sound art, new rave, drift, grave wave, funk, industrial rock, deep soul house, krautrock, wonky, space rock, punk, garage rock, roots rock, permanent wave, melancholia, minimal tech house, lo-fi house, free jazz, neo soul, trip hop, r&b, post-rock, contemporary post-bop, urban contemporary, british experimental, soul, neue deutsche welle, minimal, minimal wave, rap, folk, symphonic rock, ninja, cool jazz, jazz, post-hardcore, pop rock, alternative pop, free improvisation, hip hop, drill and bass, progressive rock, singer-songwriter, focus, afropop, world, dark post-punk, jazz fusion, zolo, dark wave, disco, jazz funk, scottish rock, gbvfi
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
someone posted on this thread a few months ago about the albums saved to their library would now only display in the order they were added, rather than a-z by artistthe same thing happened to me, so I guess this is an across the board thing - does anyone know if there's a way to change this?― soref, Sunday, 11 November 2018 18:16 (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― soref, Sunday, 11 November 2018 18:16 (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
pretty sure I answered this at the time – pull down the albums list at the top to reveal an arrow-type thingy which you can use to sort your albums by artist or title.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
Gah, I'm pretty narrow. (Thanks!) All that ECM didn't count for much, eh? Andras Schiff is apparently in my top three after all.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
haha, nice - thank you glenn! xps
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
"permanent wave" is my excellent name for bands that were once "new wave" but people are still listening to them long afterwards, like U2 and REM.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
Haha! Love it
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
lol @ gbvfi
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
And Tastebreakers just...isn't that. It's more like Discover Weekly Revisited.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
Is gbvfi for guided by voices-sounding lofi acts?
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
that was my guess - not sure what i might have been listening to though
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
I can't see anything past "Firsts" in my Spotify Unwrapped (I know this would be anathema to 2018 but a text-only version would be nice) but my username is 1239159458
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
I am betamaxdk Glenn, thanks in advance 🙏
― niels, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
Also thx in advance, Glenn: I'm thepoacher.
Tangentially, it still baffles me that Spotify is so shit for sharing, seeing what followees are up to etc.
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
I’m curious too, glenn! innagadadavida here.
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
xp otm. I'd love spotify with the old last.fm functionality, groups and charts and wotnot
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
I'd like to know my microgenres too
my username is space_
thanks
― silverfish, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
The ordering of Top Songs is definitely wrong. I wish they gave play counts with the ordering. There's no way some of these songs in my top 10 got played more than 3 times.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
the usual reason would be that your account is being used in some context you aren't thinking about, like connected to a TV or a Google Home or something
I get that, but I only have an account on laptop/phone which scrobble to last.fm so find it bizarre that this artist has appeared on it. Shame as the rest of the list is right up my street https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1Ejk8oZx5FgVYk
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
Glenn, would love to see my microgenres. username is: brotherlovesdub
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
glenn if you have any insights/theories on how the 762 songs widely varied songs i played last year were classified under the single genre of "art pop" I'd love to hear them
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
sorry "microgenre"
1239159458: art pop, indie r&b, escape room
betamaxdk: rock, folk-pop, folk rock, mellow gold, classic rock, freak folk, indie rock, singer-songwriter, art rock, chamber pop, folk, art pop, alternative rock, album rock, indie pop, soft rock, roots rock, modern rock, indie folk, lo-fi, traditional folk, slow core, psychedelic rock, neo-psychedelic, permanent wave, stomp and holler, melancholia, dance rock, new wave, noise pop, anti-folk, hip hop, rap, chamber psych, indietronica, dream pop, preverb, pop rock, lilith, jazz, adult standards, new weird america, protopunk, vocal jazz, alternative country, pop rap, garage psych, country rock, bossa nova, fourth world, cool jazz, new wave pop, new americana, contemporary post-bop, bebop, soul, danish hip hop, contemporary jazz, funk, mpb, samba, garage rock, afropop, danish pop, pop, indie r&b, southern rock, shoegaze, gangster rap, jazz fusion, world, afrobeat, hard bop, nu gaze, experimental rock, forro, dance pop, alternative dance, british folk, hardcore hip hop, blues-rock, chillwave, heartland rock, twee pop, dark jazz, jazz funk, experimental, east coast hip hop, southern hip hop, bubblegum pop, soul jazz, lounge, electropop, alternative hip hop, escape room, glam rock, cabaret, electronic, modern alternative rock, hard rock, brill building pop, traditional country, piano rock, post-punk, deep new americana, new rave, noise rock, r&b, jazz blues, british invasion, outlaw country, classic soul, dance-punk, jazz trumpet, motown, pub rock, new romantic, free jazz, neo soul, metropopolis, swing, trap music, jazz saxophone, indie jazz, avant-garde jazz, uk post-punk, dirty south rap, southern soul, norwegian jazz, hip pop, quiet storm, urban contemporary, float house, no wave
thepoacher: rock, folk-pop, alternative rock, indie rock, freak folk, chamber pop, slow core, art rock, folk rock, neo-psychedelic, art pop, melancholia, roots rock, lo-fi, modern rock, indie folk, fourth world, folk, singer-songwriter, indie pop, new wave, stomp and holler, dream pop, classic rock, new weird america, noise pop, psychedelic rock, permanent wave, ambient, soul, mellow gold, alternative country, drone, electronic, dance rock, funk, album rock, traditional folk, post-rock, compositional ambient, experimental, experimental rock, shoegaze, chamber psych, classic soul, pop rock, motown, new americana, country rock, microhouse, post-punk, garage rock, anti-folk, indietronica, uk post-punk, jazz, dub, roots reggae, quiet storm, britpop, reggae, soft rock, trip hop, warm drone, mandible, cool jazz, southern soul, bebop, protopunk, contemporary post-bop, fluxwork, disco, intelligent dance music, noise rock, new wave pop, dark jazz, british folk, jazz funk, no wave, vocal jazz, new romantic, hard bop, lilith, deep funk, grunge, garage psych, hard rock, adult standards, jazz fusion, nu gaze, free jazz, soul jazz, hip hop, contemporary jazz, afrobeat, experimental pop, dub techno, bass music, blues-rock, outsider house, math rock, jangle pop, afropop, indie r&b, dancehall, avant-garde jazz, alternative pop, post-grunge, power pop, glam rock, dance-punk, world, preverb, chillwave, alternative metal, escape room, rock steady, scottish rock, industrial, twee pop, brill building pop, sound art, post-hardcore, drone folk, minimal techno, alternative dance, jazz trumpet, pop, stoner rock, punk, southern rock, heartland rock, canterbury scene, post-doom metal, deep new americana, rap, synthpop, drift, lounge, jazz saxophone, ninja, vaporwave, madchester, ska, scottish indie, space rock, metal, jam band, free improvisation, lovers rock, r&b, hauntology, indie jazz, doom metal, electra, acid house, bossa nova, neo soul, canadian indie, stoner metal, glitch, drone metal, stride, alternative hip hop, float house, focus, outlaw country, avantgarde metal, post-metal, nu metal, sludge metal, brooklyn indie, dance pop, turntablism, hardcore hip hop
innagadadavida: afropop, azontobeats, afrobeats, pop, dance pop, nigerian hip hop, azonto, indie r&b, r&b, urban contemporary, ghanaian hip hop, electropop, rap, afro house, south african pop, kwaito house, dutch hip hop, art pop, pop rap, neo soul, post-teen pop, k-pop, funk, hip hop, quiet storm, soul, hip pop, disco, escape room, kwaito, new wave pop, gqom, indietronica, hiplife, motown, reggaeton, dancehall, uk hip hop, rock, trap music, dance rock, world, folk-pop, electronic, fluxwork, mellow gold, post-disco, highlife, float house, chamber psych, new jack swing, europop, new wave, soft rock, pop rock, southern hip hop, classic soul, latin, mande pop, soca, bongo flava, grime, tropical house, afrobeat, edm, outsider house, turkish pop, deep house, freak folk, swedish pop, new romantic, folk rock, deep pop r&b, art rock, house, canadian pop, microhouse, singer-songwriter, permanent wave, francoton, post-punk, minimal techno, metropopolis, indie pop, alternative dance, uk post-punk, trip hop, electra, deep funk carioca, trap latino, korean pop, new rave, chamber pop, uk contemporary r&b, album rock, jazz, classic rock, neo-psychedelic, latin pop, trap francais, south african hip hop, french hip hop, chicago house, free jazz, experimental pop, batida, riddim, arabesk, tropical, swedish electropop, chillwave, indie rock, downtempo, kizomba
space_: art pop, rock, alternative rock, neo-psychedelic, chamber psych, fluxwork, art rock, dance rock, freak folk, new wave, noise pop, permanent wave, electronic, indie rock, mandible, outsider house, experimental rock, dream pop, intelligent dance music, experimental, indietronica, fourth world, microhouse, lo-fi, post-punk, electra, modern rock, pop rock, dance-punk, folk-pop, minimal techno, classic rock, psychedelic rock, album rock, trip hop, experimental pop, noise rock, escape room, ambient, folk rock, garage rock, mellow gold, vaporwave, indie pop, chamber pop, chillwave, bass music, float house, roots rock, uk post-punk, industrial, drone, indie r&b, detroit techno, slow core, dub techno, preverb, new romantic, electropop, techno, new wave pop, garage psych, shoegaze, indie folk, wonky, drill and bass, alternative dance, new rave, synthpop, acid house, dark jazz, punk, blues-rock, pop, protopunk, folk, new weird america, rap, grave wave, post-hardcore, hard rock, soft rock, anti-folk, stomp and holler, no wave, electro, compositional ambient, nu gaze, dance pop, pub rock, alternative pop, singer-songwriter, power pop, grunge, zolo, melancholia, british invasion, glam rock, industrial rock, alternative country, lilith, punk blues, traditional folk, hip hop, pop rap, post-doom metal, new americana, britpop, stoner metal, stoner rock, post-metal, drone metal, space rock, country rock, sludge metal
brotherlovesdub: new wave, dance rock, electronic, alternative rock, art rock, dream pop, new wave pop, rock, uk post-punk, art pop, new romantic, indie rock, neo-psychedelic, post-punk, shoegaze, permanent wave, slow core, fourth world, chamber psych, britpop, trip hop, dub, noise pop, freak folk, no wave, folk-pop, roots reggae, reggae, chamber pop, lo-fi, indie pop, dance-punk, synthpop, indietronica, experimental rock, madchester, experimental, c86, microhouse, alternative pop, rock steady, twee pop, electropop, melancholia, pop rock, alternative dance, ambient, modern rock, dancehall, folk rock, balearic, hip hop, new rave, intelligent dance music, acid house, minimal techno, nu gaze, chillwave, alternative hip hop, hardcore hip hop, garage rock, soft rock, big beat, float house, dub techno, compositional ambient, afrobeat, funk, fluxwork, drone, psychedelic rock, outsider house, soul, nu jazz, rap, mellow gold, singer-songwriter, detroit techno, deep house, classic soul, afropop, world
I should rename "art pop" to "ilmo".
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
these are way cool
― niels, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
thanks! (even if the list is a bit of an indictment of my musical taste -- I mean, I did bring it upon myself)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
Glenn what are the odds of Spotify making some kind of button for all users to press to see their 2018 micro genres?
― niels, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link
pretty sure I answered this at the time – pull down the albums list at the top to reveal an arrow-type thingy which you can use to sort your albums by artist or title
Thanks anagram but this doesn't seem to apply to Spotify accessed from a web browser
― doug watson, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
awesome. me please! mafyou12
― maffew12, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
I'd like mine! username is suckerblues.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:54 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:57 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― adam, Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:59 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same, is this some kind of ilx in-joke glenn
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
ahahaha it's also on mine
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Hippopotamomus?
― doug watson, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
Lol I got it too
I imagine it would be pretty easy for an algorithm to cluster ILXors given a significant part of our listening habits would be synchronized temporally & content-wise via this site
― badg, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Feel left out. Didn’t get it.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
I have it too - I Am A Kitten.
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
Thats so funny
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
I hope it’s an ILM joke
there are songs on my tastebreakers list that i 100% listened to in 2018
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
pleased to report that there is no Momus in my Tastebreaker list, and I've only heard of 16/50 of the artists!
there are def some artists I have listened to this year, like Jon Hassell
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
The Momus is probably on there because of the Cherry Red comp
My Tastebreakers has "Hippo," and also a song by William Shatner for some reason? I guess he made a country album.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
I got Momus too.
Really pleased with the playlists (Momus excepted).
― Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
micro genres please, spotify username: djmartian
― djmartian, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
damn i got momus too! aw spofify you shouldn’t have!
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
okay that was terrible, spotify we’re through
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
mafyou12: art pop, indie rock, folk-pop, modern rock, indie pop, freak folk, electropop, indietronica, indie r&b, alternative rock, hip hop, escape room, chamber pop, neo-psychedelic, rock, pop, rap, noise pop, art rock, indie folk, lo-fi, permanent wave, alternative hip hop, chillwave, electronic, chamber psych, preverb, dream pop, dance pop, garage rock, metropopolis, new rave, fourth world, new wave, post-punk, garage psych, pop rap, trip hop, r&b, indie psych-rock, dance rock, neo soul, slow core, melancholia, alternative dance, underground hip hop, ambient, intelligent dance music, hardcore hip hop, roots rock, experimental rock, gbvfi, east coast hip hop, noise rock, dance-punk, stomp and holler, psychedelic rock, nu gaze, hip pop, compositional ambient, southern hip hop, wonky, new weird america, experimental pop, mellow gold, classic rock, post-teen pop, experimental, pop rock, post-rock, folk rock, alternative pop, album rock, anti-folk, singer-songwriter, bass music, britpop, indie punk, jazz, uk post-punk, new americana, microhouse, no wave, fluxwork, bebop, cool jazz, gangster rap, shoegaze, contemporary post-bop, turntablism, trap music, outsider house, jazz fusion, hard bop, funk
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
suckerblues: modern rock, indie rock, alternative rock, freak folk, lo-fi, neo-psychedelic, noise pop, art pop, indie punk, folk-pop, rock, chamber psych, indie pop, chamber pop, garage psych, preverb, emo, garage rock, dance-punk, noise rock, slow core, indietronica, indie folk, dream pop, hip hop, post-hardcore, stomp and holler, rap, permanent wave, melancholia, alternative emo, pop, pop rock, anti-folk, indie r&b, nu gaze, pop rap, gbvfi, alternative country, modern alternative rock, art rock, trap music, experimental rock, escape room, electropop, pop punk, britpop, post-rock, new wave, roots rock, post-doom metal, southern hip hop, new rave, new americana, shoegaze, underground hip hop, electronic, metal, alternative metal, alternative dance, singer-songwriter, folk, chaotic hardcore, chillwave, melodic hardcore, dance pop, post-grunge, alternative pop, canadian indie, twee pop, mathcore, alternative hip hop, folk punk, post-metal, dance rock, avantgarde metal, power pop, anthem emo, math rock, nu metal, new weird america, traditional folk, country rock, grunge, lilith, compositional ambient, voidgaze, post-punk, sludge metal, experimental, gangster rap, folk rock, deep new americana, jazz metal, fourth world, punk blues, experimental pop, jangle pop, speed metal, dirty south rap, groove metal, pagan black metal, microhouse, doom metal, brooklyn indie, hard rock, album rock, drone, punk, alt-indie rock, progressive metal, fluxwork, uk post-punk, screamo, trip hop, dreamo, classic rock, death metal, garage punk, r&b, shimmer pop, philly indie, metropopolis, conscious hip hop, stoner metal, hip pop, black metal, drone metal, intelligent dance music, ambient, atmospheric black metal, progressive post-hardcore, outlaw country, c86, heartland rock, indie garage rock, orgcore, new wave pop, emo punk, stoner rock, australian indie, skate punk, melodic death metal, texas country, psychedelic rock, mellow gold, grave wave, neo-synthpop, post-teen pop, viking metal, canadian punk, indie psych-rock, new jersey indie, no wave, scottish indie, australian garage punk, australian alternative rock, scottish rock, mandible, folk metal, outsider house, garage pop, small room, swedish metal, industrial, dark jazz, nwobhm, technical death metal, comic, focus, drill and bass, contemporary country, ska punk, canadian metal, psychedelic doom, wonky, west coast trap, boom bap, bow pop, country, symphonic black metal, minimal techno, industrial rock, djent, hardcore hip hop, trap queen, indie poptimism, gothic metal, space rock, traditional country, downtempo, big beat, blues-rock, east coast hip hop, british alternative rock, soft rock, hauntology, urban contemporary, vapor trap, new romantic, crossover thrash, pub rock, portland indie, deathgrind, power metal, neo mellow, canadian hardcore, norwegian rock, brutal death metal, funk rock, bass music, protopunk, black thrash, warm drone, neo-trad metal, thrash metal, electra, vaporwave, glam rock
djmartian: indietronica, art pop, electropop, chamber psych, chillwave, indie r&b, new wave, dance rock, escape room, indie psych-rock, freak folk, dark post-punk, new romantic, fluxwork, dream pop, new wave pop, rock, preverb, vapor soul, modern rock, noise pop, art rock, pop, electronic, nu gaze, dance pop, shimmer pop, neo-psychedelic, indie poptimism, alternative dance, grave wave, dance-punk, metropopolis, new rave, float house, experimental pop, indie rock, uk post-punk, garage psych, soft rock, jazz metal, microhouse, chamber pop, album rock, aussietronica, alternative rock, outsider house, indie pop, mellow gold, deep australian indie, vaporwave, deep house, folk-pop, electra, synthpop, post-punk, modern alternative rock, post-doom metal, progressive metal, post-metal, tech house, voidgaze, indie electro-pop, hard rock, bass music, future garage, metal, mandible, gauze pop, minimal techno, permanent wave, tropical house, noise rock, electroclash, modern hard rock, gothic rock, house, experimental rock, norwegian pop, neo-synthpop, shoegaze, trip hop, progressive rock, symphonic rock, classic rock, djent, wave, gothic metal, europop, avantgarde metal, r&b, garage rock, alternative metal, pagan black metal, alt-indie rock, psychedelic doom, post-rock, minimal tech house
I would like to hear of my microgenres too. I'm eatandoph on Spotify. Thanks Glenn!
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
thx!!!
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
eatandoph: art pop, fourth world, art rock, noise pop, alternative rock, neo-psychedelic, dance rock, new wave, indie rock, electronic, lo-fi, experimental, noise rock, chamber psych, experimental rock, dream pop, dance-punk, post-punk, uk post-punk, freak folk, no wave, garage psych, psychedelic rock, garage rock, industrial, rock, ambient, folk-pop, experimental pop, indietronica, drone, shoegaze, punk blues, chillwave, trip hop, punk, permanent wave, new weird america, alternative dance, chamber pop, microhouse, preverb, modern rock, nu gaze, post-hardcore, industrial rock, new wave pop, vaporwave, indie pop, intelligent dance music, fluxwork, slow core, disco, compositional ambient, new rave, new romantic, outsider house, mandible, bass music, folk rock, escape room, dub techno, post-rock, synthpop, electropop, post-disco, krautrock, motown, zolo, pop rock, classic rock, album rock, quiet storm, funk, hauntology, protopunk, soul, indie r&b, folk, canterbury scene, dance pop, mellow gold, warm drone, singer-songwriter, traditional folk, progressive rock, symphonic rock, soft rock
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
would love some microgenres for user: unbornwhiskey
thank u glenn
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
unbornwhiskey: modern rock, art pop, rock, folk-pop, indie rock, art rock, pop rock, alternative rock, permanent wave, emo, chamber pop, freak folk, new wave, classic rock, indie pop, dance rock, folk rock, chamber psych, dream pop, pop punk, pop, new wave pop, lo-fi, noise pop, mellow gold, indie folk, melancholia, singer-songwriter, electronic, electropop, album rock, neo-psychedelic, indie punk, slow core, indie r&b, soft rock, lilith, folk, shoegaze, stomp and holler, alternative emo, psychedelic rock, fourth world, dance pop, indietronica, preverb, experimental, nu gaze, black metal, fluxwork, screamo, escape room, ambient, trip hop, quiet storm, experimental pop, funk, soul, metal, post-grunge, outsider house, garage psych, alternative metal, urban contemporary, dreamo, garage rock, roots rock, r&b, mandible, avantgarde metal, post-hardcore, neo soul, death metal, experimental rock, intelligent dance music, electro, new jack swing, microhouse, post-rock, uk post-punk, new americana, new romantic, classic soul, alternative dance, post-punk, modern alternative rock, drone, alternative country, detroit techno, disco, pagan black metal, hip pop, philly indie, rap, post-teen pop, voidgaze, alternative pop, hip hop, chillwave, acid house, melodic hardcore, bebop, motown, dance-punk, anti-folk, contemporary post-bop, cool jazz, hard bop, jazz, shimmer pop, post-metal, float house, indie poptimism, jazz fusion, hip house, post-disco, grunge, post-doom metal, gangster rap, contemporary country
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
and for disclosure, these are mine:
symphonic power metal, metal, electropop, gothic symphonic metal, power metal, pagan black metal, progressive metal, viking metal, modern rock, gothic metal, voidgaze, symphonic black metal, metropopolis, avantgarde metal, symphonic metal, modern alternative rock, black metal, melodic death metal, indie poptimism, indietronica, indie rock, art pop, post-metal, pop, atmospheric black metal, death metal, neo classical metal, chamber pop, dance pop, shimmer pop, idol rock, jazz metal, otacore, folk metal, norwegian metal, speed metal, indie pop, technical death metal, indie punk, pixie, finnish metal, german metal, alt-idol, folk-pop, post-doom metal, groove metal, j-rock, chamber psych, post-screamo, freak folk, chillwave, neo-trad metal, pop punk, alt-indie rock, emo, indie r&b, anthem emo, post-rock, preverb, post-teen pop, norwegian black metal, swedish metal, escape room, garage psych, chaotic black metal, indie psych-rock, sci-fi metal, brutal death metal, deathgrind, indie folk, black thrash, antiviral pop, screamo, pop emo, rock, noise pop, slavic metal, dream pop, neo-psychedelic, neue deutsche harte, alternative emo, dark black metal, comic, edm, alternative rock, j-metal, visual kei, electra, nu gaze, fluxwork, contemporary country, anime, hard rock, j-idol, canadian indie, black death, metalcore, stomp and holler, hungarian metal, german rock, suomi rock, lilith, djent
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
All of these, of course, are limited by our finite genre-modeling. For example, up until late last night we didn't have the Caucasian folk-dance genre lezginka, which no doubt most of us have been jamming on and off all year.
https://open.spotify.com/user/thesoundsofspotify/playlist/6FkNnTm2YASOamCQuUqbWx?si=4eC8FA3PQ7qYHboRgynYaA
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
lol two of the first five songs in my Tastebreaker list are from Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue. Wow thanks Spotify, really blowing me away here.
And also, multiple Momus songs.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
ha, Dennis Wilson was in mine as well
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
german metal (...) norwegian metal
― Siegbran, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
Please tell me about my microgenres, Glenn: I'm 1230963628
No Momus for me.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
Thanks glenn, very cool list, feels very me! Looking forward to finding out what some of these microgenres are that I’m listening to. Fluxwork, you say?
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
German metal is, yes, metal from Germany.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
I had 2 Momus songs and Dennis Wilson! Someone must have paid for placement. Who own's Dennis Wilson's catalog?
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
there's lots of discussion upthread, but for anyone who hasn't read all 9000+ posts, the microgenres are searchable at http://everynoise.com/
― Brad C., Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
1230963628: compositional ambient, ambient, electronic, fourth world, art pop, mandible, microhouse, drone, indietronica, chamber psych, freak folk, trip hop, warm drone, post-rock, dark jazz, intelligent dance music, chillwave, minimal techno, fluxwork, focus, drift, dub techno, dream pop, alternative dance, outsider house, big beat, experimental, metropopolis, electra, electropop, grave wave, bass music, chamber pop, neo-psychedelic, vaporwave, slow core, sound art, art rock, indie r&b, acid house, noise pop, nu age, experimental rock, new weird america, new rave, post-metal, deep chiptune, float house, wonky, indie rock, hauntology, alternative rock, indie jazz, experimental pop, drill and bass, nu gaze, noise rock, instrumental post-rock, escape room, lo-fi, tech house, glitch, post-doom metal, deep melodic euro house, downtempo, shoegaze, folk-pop, ninja, j-ambient, indie psych-rock, dronescape, nu jazz, new wave, bow pop, neo-synthpop, bebop, contemporary post-bop, cool jazz, hard bop, jazz, industrial, dance rock, shimmer pop, dance-punk, dark ambient, dance pop, avantgarde metal, drone metal, ambient idm, techno, electroclash, free jazz, melancholia, modern rock, jazz fusion, contemporary jazz, detroit techno, minimal, deep house, jazz trumpet, rock, future garage, permanent wave
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
hauntology ftw
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
Haha, this is great. Could you do saaam please
― cheeseburger, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
saaam: art pop, electronic, fourth world, freak folk, intelligent dance music, microhouse, ambient, fluxwork, art rock, classical piano, drone, bebop, cool jazz, jazz, experimental rock, experimental, dream pop, mandible, indietronica, vocal jazz, outsider house, chamber psych, contemporary post-bop, jazz fusion, compositional ambient, wonky, chillwave, classical performance, post-rock, pop, neo-psychedelic, bass music, hard bop, noise pop, vaporwave, glitch, indie r&b, electropop, classical, dub techno, dance pop, chamber pop, j-dance, experimental pop, escape room, folk-pop, indie rock, indie pop, new weird america, rap, soul jazz, slow core, hauntology, alternative hip hop, hip hop
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
hey glenn, thanks for doing this. i'm at 1269695844
― austinb, Friday, 7 December 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
finally got this to work (I think the version of Chrome my work computer has isn't compatible) and my tastebreaker playlist is remarkably full of Prince
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 December 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
1269695844: indie rock, modern rock, indie pop, folk-pop, art pop, alternative rock, rock, indietronica, neo-psychedelic, chamber pop, freak folk, noise pop, indie folk, dream pop, pop, lo-fi, permanent wave, art rock, rap, chillwave, new wave, preverb, slow core, alternative dance, stomp and holler, hip hop, dance pop, garage rock, garage psych, pop rap, new rave, dance rock, indie r&b, pop rock, electropop, dance-punk, nu gaze, shoegaze, electronic, experimental rock, escape room, melancholia, noise rock, chamber psych, new wave pop, post-teen pop, anti-folk, folk rock, experimental pop, new weird america, classic rock, southern hip hop, post-punk, psychedelic rock, uk post-punk, r&b, trip hop, metropopolis, trap music, brooklyn indie, shimmer pop, underground hip hop, indie punk, post-rock, indie psych-rock, folk, new romantic, post-grunge, singer-songwriter, mellow gold, album rock, fourth world, lilith, roots rock, modern alternative rock, experimental, soft rock, alternative hip hop, alternative pop, gangster rap, hip pop, neo soul, philly indie, emo, neo-synthpop, britpop, indie poptimism, protopunk, ambient, fluxwork, new americana, hardcore hip hop, microhouse, urban contemporary, east coast hip hop, contemporary country, conscious hip hop, alternative metal, vapor trap, alternative country, nu metal, madchester, traditional folk, vapor soul, hard rock, funk, electra, neo mellow, canadian pop, bass music, blues-rock, synthpop, new jersey indie, no wave, punk, country dawn, motown, small room, outsider house, pop punk, soul, candy pop, intelligent dance music, alternative emo, compositional ambient, wonky, swedish electropop, downtempo, heartland rock, glam rock, mandible, country, drone, gbvfi, edm, vaporwave, grunge, dirty south rap, indie garage rock, modern country rock, post-hardcore, twee pop, la indie, canadian indie, brill building pop, country road, classic soul, country rock, float house, scottish indie, quiet storm, math rock, hauntology, punk blues, tropical house, warm drone, grave wave, filter house, disco, zolo, symphonic rock, emo punk
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:52 (six years ago) link
lol two of the first five songs in my Tastebreaker list are from Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue. Wow thanks Spotify, really blowing me away here.And also, multiple Momus songs.― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:30 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkha, Dennis Wilson was in mine as well― sleeve, Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:35 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:30 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sleeve, Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:35 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
realizing i had two from pacific ocean blue on mine. another ilxor i spoke to also had these songs plus three momus songs. (i didn't have any momus).
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:30 (six years ago) link
i have conferred with many more Ilxors and they almost have tracks from dennis wilson, pacific ocean blue
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:39 (six years ago) link
No Dennis Wilson for me but Daniel Romano and Swamp Dogg seem to be commonalities with other ILXors
my educated guess: the algorithm relies on a certain subset of "outlier artists" for people that have an exceptionally wide base of microgenres they already listen to
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
if that's the case and this isn't an ILX in-joke then momus is about flooded with new fans
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:48 (six years ago) link
or he would, if the algorithm had picked a better song than hippopotomomus
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:49 (six years ago) link
I can accept Momus as an ILX in-joke but some of the other common artists seem really random.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link
would love my microgenres, I'm popcornmole
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 7 December 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
popcornmole: rock, hard rock, album rock, classic rock, metal, folk, mellow gold, folk-pop, soft rock, speed metal, neo classical metal, folk rock, glam metal, soul, funk, progressive metal, disco, quiet storm, art rock, psychedelic rock, motown, lilith, groove metal, new wave pop, singer-songwriter, doom metal, blues-rock, adult standards, southern rock, fourth world, alternative metal, country rock, death metal, ambient, permanent wave, power metal, traditional folk, art pop, stoner rock, roots rock, hip hop, stomp and holler, dance pop, indie r&b, pop rock, compositional ambient, classic soul, escape room, modern rock, indietronica, nashville sound, traditional country, neo soul, country, classical performance, nwobhm, rap, outlaw country, r&b, sleaze rock, dance rock, new wave, voidgaze, post-metal, instrumental rock, electropop, indie rock, new americana, indie folk, alternative rock, brill building pop, indie pop, intelligent dance music, glam rock, electronic, drone, dub, reggae, roots reggae, neo-psychedelic, black thrash, jazz funk, alternative hip hop, freak folk, pub rock, alternative pop, contemporary jazz, symphonic power metal, urban contemporary, vocal jazz, swedish metal, post-doom metal, black metal, country gospel, symphonic rock, jazz fusion, avantgarde metal, new romantic, jazz guitar, preverb, deathgrind
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
Dennis Wilson (with two songs) and Momus also breaking my taste... I do find Pacific Ocean Blue overrated...
― niels, Friday, 7 December 2018 09:22 (six years ago) link
As well as the Momus track ( which I mentioned upthread) I also have Dennis Wilson in my "Tastebreakers." Plus four artists appear twice, including two ESG songs in the first three tracks.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 7 December 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link
going through my tastebreaker list there is def some good stuff in there though
― niels, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link
if you're not already totally fed up w/ these glenn I would be curious to see my microgenres. i am: ogmor
― ogmor, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:42 (six years ago) link
I've got two Dennis Wilson songs, too. Oh, the glamour.
I'm digging the playlist overall, though. Even the track by him off Arcade Fire is good.
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:33 (six years ago) link
Dennis wilson bout to blow up.
I hate every song on my tastebreaker btw. Gonna stck to my old grind.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
ogmor: art pop, freak folk, fluxwork, fourth world, chamber psych, experimental pop, escape room, ambient, new weird america, electronic, mandible, experimental, outsider house, indie r&b, microhouse, noise pop, chamber pop, drone, neo-psychedelic, folk-pop, electra, hip hop, indietronica, chillwave, rap, lo-fi, dream pop, indie rock, compositional ambient, electropop, noise rock, intelligent dance music, art rock, alternative rock, slow core, float house, experimental rock, minimal techno, bass music, alternative dance, pop, vaporwave, indie jazz, warm drone, pop rap, drone folk, indie pop, sound art, trip hop, folk rock, alternative hip hop, folk, dark jazz, traditional folk, pop rock, wonky, trap music, post-punk, rock, indie folk, preverb, no wave, southern hip hop, garage psych, singer-songwriter, bossa nova, grave wave, modern rock, deep house, melancholia, detroit techno, afropop, mpb, samba, dance-punk, forro, world, roots rock, post-rock, east coast hip hop, neo soul, free improvisation, dance rock, underground hip hop, mande pop, funk, anti-folk, uk post-punk, math rock, acid house, contemporary jazz, dance pop, new rave, classic rock, mellow gold, garage rock, post-hardcore, psychedelic rock, stomp and holler, hardcore hip hop, afrobeat, industrial, british folk, soul
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
I didn't have anything to do with Tastebreakers, but one of my other things we briefly contemplated using as the second playlist in Wrapped is one that tries to generate the opposite of the music you usually like. It's pretty effective. When I tried it for an internal audience, almost everybody either hated the music it gave them, felt personally insulted by the implication that this was the opposite of their tastes, or both.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
dennis wilson go on rap caviar
― single bed mentality (||||||||), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
xp that's kinda hilarious
― niels, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
I would love to see my microgenres - I'm burningambulance.
I skipped right past my tastebreaker playlist, sorry. I use Spotify for specific things most of the time, and am not looking to have my palette broadened very much at all.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
burningambulance: rock, hard rock, classic rock, metal, punk, alternative rock, album rock, alternative metal, groove metal, garage rock, new wave, art rock, dance rock, contemporary jazz, avant-garde jazz, free jazz, contemporary post-bop, blues-rock, post-punk, death metal, hip hop, rap, neo-psychedelic, speed metal, jazz funk, fourth world, soul, psychedelic rock, noise rock, experimental, uk post-punk, grunge, experimental rock, jazz, nu metal, free improvisation, bebop, post-hardcore, permanent wave, industrial rock, mellow gold, hard bop, deathgrind, jazz fusion, stoner rock, jazz saxophone, cool jazz, southern rock, stoner metal, gangster rap, indie rock, hardcore hip hop, pop rap, noise pop, post-grunge, brutal death metal, technical death metal, vocal jazz, funk, protopunk, punk blues, crossover thrash, industrial, rap rock, soul jazz, sludge metal, lo-fi, no wave, dance-punk, folk rock, east coast hip hop, jazz piano, jazz trumpet, soft rock, space rock, symphonic rock, art pop, black metal, adult standards, dream pop, roots rock, new wave pop, psychedelic doom, southern hip hop, modern rock, electronic, new romantic, doom metal, alternative hip hop, indie jazz, melodic death metal, skate punk, goregrind, post-doom metal, motown, deep funk, grindcore, afrobeat, glam metal, dark jazz, viking metal, shoegaze, ambient, nu gaze, progressive rock, pop, britpop, disco, singer-songwriter, black thrash, swedish death metal, old school hip hop, crust punk, freak folk, quiet storm, afropop, world, pagan black metal, symphonic black metal, glam rock, canterbury scene, swedish metal, electric blues, blues, nwobhm
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, December 7, 2018 2:14 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Isn't this what the playlist claims to do though? The description for the playlist says "we've made you a playlist from genres and artists you don't normally explore" (even though the playlist is actually full of artists and genres I do normally explore.)
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
As it is the Tastebreakers playlist seems no different to Discover Weekly on one of it's more broken weeks.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
yeah, my Tastebreakers is full of artists I've listened to on Spotify, but not all that much
― President Keyes, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
Yeah, within the first 12 tracks in my Tastebreakers playlist are: 7 things that have previously appeared on DW, 2 things I own on vinyl/CD (can't expect Spotify to know that, but it could be inferred) and nothing I'd not heard of at least. Still, that Yukihiro Takahashi live track was nice and I'm never going to say no to hearing A Rainbow In Curved Air on a slow bus through Beckenham.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
almost everybody either hated the music it gave them, felt personally insulted by the implication that this was the opposite of their tastes, or both.
this is amazing, what would the opposite of my "art pop" be?
― sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
Dennis Wilson is on my Tastebreakers list too (twice), as is Momus. I've also got three track from Meredith Monk.
I am enjoying "Oh Slime" by Fishmans (an apparently Japanese artist I have never heard of) thanks to this playlist
― silverfish, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
I've got Dennis Wilson and Fishmans too.
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
same here, no momus though - wonder what dimension of the ilx hive mind listening profile i'm missing out on.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
I would have loved an antimirror / opposites playlist tbh
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
no momus, probably because I only managed to listen to two microgenres somehow. this honestly surprises me
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
I got Fishmans, one of the very few artists that I hadn't heard of on it.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
So far I am the only person i talked to who was angered by tastebreakers’ (in my view) scolding demand that I “expand (my) horizons” in 2019, after spying on my listening throughout 2018.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
What if i want to narrow my horizons?
I can’t tell if this hellscape nexus of Dennis Wilson ans Momus says something about Spotify or about the people who populate this message board. Either way lol.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
believe me you are not the only person angered by this rollout (I'm not, but at times my feed seems to be suggesting that just opening the link is one step away from personally fire-bombing a recording studio)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
You can see genre opposites in the reverse-image inset map at the bottoms of the genre pages on everynoise, like here: http://everynoise.com/engenremap-artpop.html
Making a composite opposite of a person's varied tastes is a fun challenge, because in some cases you probably like both a thing and its opposite.
But Tastebreakers was meant to be stuff in genres you already listen to a little bit, just artists you haven't specifically played recently. Mine did nothing at all for me, but at least I didn't get Momus. Anybody heard of this guy Sergei Prokofiev?
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
After all these years posting/lurking here, I am finally listening to a Momus track for the first time.
― silverfish, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
xp to glenn
heh well I do hate blues bands, thanks
― sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
Wait momus wasn’t an inside joke?
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
Millions of people were recommended momus?
But Tastebreakers was meant to be stuff in genres you already listen to a little bit, just artists you haven't specifically played recently.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, December 7, 2018 12:36 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that would explain the Prince, at least
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
I am enjoying "Oh Slime" by Fishmans (an apparently Japanese artist I have never heard of) thanks to this playlisttheir debut album is solid, dubby late 90s alternative vibes https://open.spotify.com/album/7GOdEIOvr41lvxDK7bvPrI?si=WhLH46sZRr6LptuAy2K-xw
― niels, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
i had prince on mine too!*
i had "when you were mine" on there... which last year was one of my top 20 or so most played songs.
*I lied when I said I hated everything on my Tastebreakers
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
i don't think AI will ever take the place of humans
This level of complaining is too intense for AI to simulate
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
^ gotta be the title of his next best-of
― sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
haha including the question mark
― sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to it for the last couple of hours and am now really enjoying this playlist. This is actually much better than a typical Discover Weekly for me.
― silverfish, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
lots of 10+ minute songs on this though, this is gonna take all day
― silverfish, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
Nice to see Fishmans on Spotify. No tastebreaker for me. Y'all should take half an hour and check out Long Season
― doug watson, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
Long season was on my playlist. It was good!
― silverfish, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
I got a Momus that wasn't Hippopotamomus in my tastebreakers.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 8 December 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link
As mentioned, my tastebreakers gave me Momus (I am a kitten) - and Brian Wilson, and Prince. There were also 2 Cornelius songs, and an outright obsession with 'Gimme Shelter', with 2 cover versions (Cal Tjader and Ruth Copeland) and a Merry Clayton song.
But I do like the playlist a lot, so a good AI result.
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 8 December 2018 11:04 (six years ago) link
No Momus here (two by "Mocky" however). But I see Dennis Wilson, and I raise yall two Helado Negros. And two "Swamp Dogg" and Ryuichi Sakamotos. Even-numbered years are Hosono years in my household.
Anyway thanks computers (and Glenn!). I'll check all this out...
― maffew12, Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
My 2018 thing is quite indicative of the fact that I quit Spotify halfway thru the year and got Apple Music, and also I pretty much only listen to stuff the algorithms pick for me. Many of the tracks on my “top songs” I have no memory of ever having heard in my life. It still told me I am “adventurous” lol
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
I enjoy this implication that Dominic Salole and Jerry Williams are big lying fakers, but Momus and Helado Negro are pure, honest artistes representing their true selves
― sans lep (sic), Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
just indicating my unfamiliarity, which is the goal of the thing. Mocky is another five-letter name that starts with "Mo", what a larf. Didn't get to them yet but Swamp Dogg is quite nice and I see there's a thread here!
― maffew12, Saturday, 8 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
Adding to the chorus: my tastebreakers starts off Dennis Wilson - Momus - Momus - Swamp Dogg.
― dorsalstop, Saturday, 8 December 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
I'm very keen on my Tastebreakers, but it seems to consist almost exclusively of cover versions, five of them Lennon-McCartney songs.
― Alba, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
weird. do you listen to a lot of Beatles? Computer thinks covers in other styles are gonna blow your mind! Whatever the algorithm is, this is a lot better than a typical Discover Weekly for me.
― maffew12, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:23 (six years ago) link
I had a bit of a Beatles binge recently with the release of the remixed White Album, yeah. Maybe I also listen to more cover versions than other people, I dunno. I doubt Spotify metadata records whether something is a cover but I guess if people tend to make playlists of covers it learns from that. Here is my Tastebreakers in case anyone wants to hear it. Enjoying the Meters' version of Witchita Lineman right now:https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1EiZ6FMrDqu7UW?si=8_QKBX59QfqTZ-U5ZNmV9w
― Alba, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
Wichita!
― Alba, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:30 (six years ago) link
I'd be shocked if it didn't have metadata indicating it's a cover. There's a lot more metadata than what we see in the client. Does anyone know how generated playlists are sequenced? They seem to flow well enough to me, and I suspect it's not just randomized. Anyone who's used the integration with "djay"* can see that there's good BPM metadata.*Quotation marks to help lowercase-stylized software name stand out. Program is very legit.
― maffew12, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link
Oh, I WISH we had metadata indicating covers. Currently, no.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
I love djay's Spotify integration and wish I had more time to play with it. Just having the BPM and musical key information is great in itself (does djay generate this itself or does it come from the API?)
― Alba, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
In principle, there's no such thing as a "cover", though, is there? Or rather, every recording is a "cover" of the abstract song which is a separate entity, at least legally? Maybe not a discussion for this thread.
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 10 December 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
I would hope that the djay/spotify integration is good enough that a track only needs to be analysed for bpm/key once by any client and then synced back to spotify?
― Siegbran, Monday, 10 December 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
I always enjoy hearing the covers after one of my cover binges.
Also have been impressed with having the source tracks pop up after I've heard them sampled elsewhere.
― ✈️✈️ (pplains), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
Finally got the new Roku app. It's pretty disappointing. It looks a bit better than the old one, but the functionality is meager. The one thing I want to do, play my playlists is hampered by the fact that it seems to only be able to handle smaller lists. The main list I play has 800 tracks, but shuffle mode only plays like the first 200 on the list. It's very frustrating. You can clearly see it queues up a much wider variety of tracks on my phone and PC, but when I switch to roku, most of the songs drop out of the queue.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 14 December 2018 05:59 (six years ago) link
feel like i only use this on my commute anymore, starting to wonder if i can go without it which would have been unthinkable to me a few years ago
― ciderpress, Monday, 17 December 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
Today my workplace banned Spotify. Well then, that's it.
― doug watson, Monday, 17 December 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
Why?
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
Gotta be bandwidth related.
― ✈️✈️ (pplains), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
Does that include on a personal device offline?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
Ya, it was a bandwidth issue. No Bandcamp as of today either, although soundcloud and (curiously) youtube are still available. But I have little use for Spotify outside of the work environment so will need to rethink my ongoing subscription.
― doug watson, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
Ya, personal devices are fine. I'll need to load a lot more music on my phone for tomorrow. My point in posting is that this really brought home the limitations of streaming.
― doug watson, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
Apple Music?
― Siegbran, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
Does Apple Music offer a web interface? We can't download apps to our work laptops
― doug watson, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
is the youtube music service available where you are, doug? feels like it might come closest to what you need. i don’t believe there is an apple music web app, and the eyes water slightly imagining what such a thing might be like.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
wait, can you use the spotify web player?
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
Nope, spotify.com is now a banned site so the web player is accessible from the office. Thanks for the Youtube Music suggestion, that might be an option.
― doug watson, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
Can @SpotifyUK explain how these complete strangers were able to upgrade my Spotify plan so I've been paying for them to have Premium for the last few months? Your website has no obvious way of getting in touch with you directly. pic.twitter.com/QKjT3DxwJ3— Carmen D'Cruz (@carmenego) January 7, 2019
This seems pretty bad - I also just found someone squatting in my Premium account. And not only is there no 2FA on Spotify, they don't even send you emails on new device logins, or when people are added to your plan.
― stet, Monday, 7 January 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link
I was trying to see if I had any squatters, but of what page is the tweet a screenshot? Where can I find it? Can't see a list of sorts on https://www.spotify.com/uk/account/overview/
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 January 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link
It's in here: https://www.spotify.com/uk/family/overview/ - if you don't have a family plan (and they haven't moved you to one) then you won't see a list. There's no way I know of to see what devices are using your single account (which they were also doing to me) other than noticing your play history filling up with stuff you haven't played.
Security does seem pretty antiquated, tbh: their "how to secure your account" page is basically six different ways of saying "have a good password"
― stet, Monday, 7 January 2019 14:53 (five years ago) link
thx just found two accounts on there that i didn't recognize
― Mordy, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
If you do, kick them off, change your password and then hit the “sign out everywhere” link
― stet, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
Ah I see, thx Stet. Don't have a family plan, so I guess there is no way of knowing if I have some leechers or not.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
yeah, I didn't realize I had squatters on my account until I got one of those "You're already listening on device: xxxxx" things and then saw that my recently played was full of latin trap.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link
almost disappointed that my account is squatter free.
― large bananas pregnant (ledge), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
I had this going on, too. I only found out because my last.fm logs looked weird. I changed my password and it looks to be sorted now.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
So this new square mobile layout is ruining my day. I went into the app (iphone) to look for the new riddim where Mavado has one of the songs. Previously I would find it under the heading "appears on" on Mavado's artist page. But now the "appears on" section is gone. I can click the discography, but it only gives me the latest release, his albums and singles, with 2013 apparently working as some sort of cut off point for the singles - dancehall artists usually have a lot of them and Mavado's been active for more than a decade. So in order to find the song now, I apparently need to know what the title of the riddim is first. Since I had already playlisted it, I found out. It's the Time Machine Riddim and the song is Me Alright, but the next time a dancehall artist I follo hops on a riddim I probably won't be able to find it. Not alright. Sigh.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2019 15:36 (five years ago) link
That’s terrible. I don’t have that (yet?) but I see there’s an update waiting in the App Store. I did have a scare this morning when on the Now Playing screen, instead of the repeat button, there suddenly was a ‘love this track’ button on the left and a ‘don’t like this track’ button on the right. Do you have that too? It has gone back to normal for me (for now), but all of this has me fearing the update.
― breastcrawl, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link
On Android I have those two buttons instead of shuffle/repeat when playing from Release Radar, Discover Weekly and Daily Mix 1 etc, but not when playing from other playlists, searches, etc. Makes sense for improving the automatic playlists, I suppose?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 11 January 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
No "love" and "dislike" button yet, fortunately, but the save this track button now looks like a heart. Stay away from the update if you can.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
Wasn't it a heart way back in the day, too?
― Dan I., Friday, 11 January 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
it was a star I think
― silverfish, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
The absence of "Appears On" is a temporary glitch, it will be back soon!
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
Phew!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 11 January 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link
i'm hitting up against the limit of # of tracks you can have saved again for the 3rd time and thsi time i'm running out of things i don't really care about to remove from my library. really wish they would just double the limit or something, that'd give me another 6 or 7 years of not having to worry about it. or else have saving albums work differently than just saving all the tracks as it appears to do, since i only care about albums and would rather be able to just save 2000 albums than 10000 tracks
― ciderpress, Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
new version of Android app no longer has Albums, Singles, and EPs available for each artist on separate pages. Instead some of their music is in a single row called Releases that you can scroll through horizontally. Presumably there is supposed to be more detail if you click a See More button below Releases, but that button doesn't seem to do anything.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link
new ios update is some bullshit fyi
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 January 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
how they continue to make the stupidest uncalled for changes just baffles me
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 January 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
I’m now trying out YouTube Music (my 3rd consecutive streaming-service trial; guess I’ll have to actually pay sometime, lol) — I like it a lot, especially the iOS app. (There’s no desktop client, you gotta use https://music.youtube.com on yer computer)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 18 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
So they just added the ability to mute artists, apparently? Though it's supposed to be available on mobile, I don't see the feature in there yet.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 21 January 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
Makes you feel kinda sorry now for Dennis Wilson.
― pplains, Monday, 21 January 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
Yes! Goodbye Yo La Tengo, I have no idea why Spotify so insistently believed that I would like you!
― Dan I., Monday, 21 January 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
I had this happen to me too - and the weird artists have all vanished now. This is WTF territory, thishttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-46898211
― stet, Friday, 25 January 2019 10:48 (five years ago) link
Bergenulo Five could have made about $500 to $600 (about £380 to £460) from 60,000 streams.
Assuming this took more than 40 hours of the l33t haxorz time, that's not even a living wage.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Friday, 25 January 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
Not if you've created 300 of these artists.
― Siegbran, Friday, 25 January 2019 13:48 (five years ago) link
Article suggests it’s about a dozen though.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Friday, 25 January 2019 13:52 (five years ago) link
waze is a virus included in every spotify app on purpose
― why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 25 January 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
A new to iPhone-version-of-Spotify user asks: can you only shuffle play everything? Is there no option to listen to albums and playlists in track order? If there is, how?
― Jeff W, Saturday, 26 January 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
If you select the track that's playing on the bottom of the screen you can (de)select shuffle play on the left
― willem, Saturday, 26 January 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link
I think you need to be a premium user to be able to do that. If you're a premium user tap on the song name at bottom to get the Now Playing view then make sure the shuffle icon at the bottom left is not green. Tap it if it isXpost
― Alba, Saturday, 26 January 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link
Thanks, guys. Still a Scrooge here who uses the free version, but I'll probably upgrade now.
― Jeff W, Saturday, 26 January 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
Wait what - if you’re not premium you’re forced to isten to everything on shuffle? That seems bizarre and wrong.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 26 January 2019 13:36 (five years ago) link
Psych ops.
― Alba, Saturday, 26 January 2019 14:50 (five years ago) link
Yes that's right, and it seems fair enough to me. The basic Spotify is, well, basic. You can only listen on shuffle and you get ads every so often. I have no problem paying 10 € a month for unlimited streaming and downloading of pretty much everything I could ever want to listen to, and no ads. Seems like a fab deal to me.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Saturday, 26 January 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
the kaitlyn aurelia smith release "tides" is listed as a 2013 album i assume bc that's the year it was recorded but it was literally just released
― Mordy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
it’s a 2014 album right?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 January 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
Lol remember that famous thread?
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 27 January 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah Tides is not a new album. It was on Spotify before because I remember listening to it when Euclid came out. But it disappeared from Spotify some time back. Glad it's back!
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 27 January 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/Kaitlyn-Aurelia-Smith-Tides/release/7878242
― sans lep (sic), Sunday, 27 January 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
i thought that the behind the lyrics popups were distracting when i was driving but the weird music video/gifs are a whole different level. i could pretty easily find a way to push the lyrics popups to the background via settings but is there a way to get rid of the videos as well? two examples off the top of my head are "i have a dream" by abba and "move" by little mix.
― musically, Monday, 28 January 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
yes on ios you can diable what they call "canvases" not sure about android
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 28 January 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
disable*
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 28 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
ah thanks, I had no clue they were called canvases - that option is right next to the "disable behind the lyrics" in ios settings so that was simple
― musically, Monday, 28 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
I don't think there's a way to turn them off on android. Beach House, Parquet Courts, LUMP (Laura Marling), and The Beatles all have them.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 28 January 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
They just added the ability to turn them off on ios within the last couple of weeks, and thank god for that
― Dan I., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
I have to say very satisfying effects achieved by combining my top 100 tracks for each of the last 3 years into one playlist, adding in all the saved tracks from my discover weeklies, and then generating a "radio" station from that.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 09:38 (five years ago) link
good call! Went to try this, but I'm no longer seeing Radio options for playlist on Windows desktop client. I have the option to "create similar playlist" which saves me a new playlist of 130 songs. I hit it a second time and got the same 130.I guess I could enable Autoplay, go to the end of my playlist, and hit Next for something like the old endless Radio based on playlist feature?
― maffew12, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
still seeing "go to album radio" on albums fwiw
― maffew12, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 12:35 (five years ago) link
"artist radio" still there as well. and wouldn't you know, when I'm on the Autoplay after going to the end of my playlist, and I click the cover art of what's playing, I'm at "playlist radio"
― maffew12, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link
The playlist-radio command went away temporarily, but it should be reappearing imminently on desktop (and is already back on mobile)...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
thanks Glenn. What's with this create a playlist based on this playlist thing? is that sticking around? Going to mess with feeding it back into itself a bunch of times....
― maffew12, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
That command has been there for a couple years, and I'm not aware of any plan to remove it...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
I can only seem to get around 230 unique songs after hitting it a dozen times on reach successive generated playlist.. but they are all different from what I generated a few hours ago. hmmmmmmm
― maffew12, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:44 (five years ago) link
dozen times on *each
Have been using the radio function a lot lately to discover music similar to what I like. Wish it was a bit more randomized, but it's very helpful in general.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link
So Spotify has done away with the release date info. Only the year of release will be provided from here on end apparently. Well gee, thanks guys. Who cares about those details anyway?
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
This seems to have gone back to normal, but Spotify is going through some changes here. I think I’ve been presented with five different interfaces just today, and the app keeps crashing on me.
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
A lot of disappointed Low fans are being recommended a same-name shitty rapper's new album.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
Coulda sworn I already reported that "Low" album, but it must have been a previous single. Reported it now, at any rate...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 February 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
Cheers!
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 1 February 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
Weird things are going on in my Spotifyworld this week:
*Tracks that are not in a playlist not playing - and not visible when added to one of my playlists (but appear 24 hours later).*New Music Friday playlist today only showing me one song, i.e. the one I have previously added to one of my playlists.*Release Radar today only showing me 6 songs - again things I've added or streamed previously.
Any ideas, glenn?
― Jeff W, Friday, 1 February 2019 14:51 (five years ago) link
No idea. Sounds like your client maybe thinks you're not online? Get @SpotifyCares to help you...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 February 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
ah yes, connected now to a different Wifi outside the office and problem solved. Must be some new restrictions introduced to use of media on the work Wifi; they hate fun.
― Jeff W, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
Music -> joy -> sedition. Can't really blame them.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
Why is it that whenever I update the desktop client, I'm suddenly following a bunch of huge playlists I've never seen before? And where did the display of how many followers a playlist has go?
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
If you're following playlists you didn't follow, then somebody has access to your account. Contact @SpotifyCares on Twitter for help resetting it.
(Usually the reason you can't see the follower count is that you've resized your window a little too small.)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
why did you guys drop the follower names?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 11 February 2019 20:34 (five years ago) link
Doesn't scale.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
okay, that makes sense.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 11 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
I logged out of all devices a few days ago when these playlists first popped up. The exact same showed up in a batch all at once after the latest update. I think it's a bug and not a hack.
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
It sounds like a programmatic abuse of your compromised account. There's no bug or feature that would add random playlists to your account...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
I should note that there's been no perceptible change to my discover weekly and release radar playlists since I first noticed this happening
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 11 February 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link
i love my release radar playlist. i only wish it were longer.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link
Follow more artists. Release Radar only cuts off at 30 if you run out of Followed artists before then...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:24 (five years ago) link
I tried this service: http://parknarrative.com/labellove
Added a couple labels, but so far, the list hasn't updated. Hard to tell if it's just that the labels haven't had new stuff come out, or if the service is broken/abandoned.
― DJI, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
Is having an artist in a playlist or having listened to an artist once enough to "follow" it for Release Radar or should I be doing so manually?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
Listening to artists is enough to get them in Release Radar normally, but RR only goes past 30 tracks for ones you Follow. It basically has 3 sections: 1) artists you Follow (unlimited), 2) other artists you listen to up to 30 tracks, and 3) Discover-Weekly-style recommended artists to get to 30 tracks if 1 & 2 haven't already gotten you there.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:23 (five years ago) link
ah, that explains the "wait when did I listen to that" effect
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/spotify-teardown-book-streaming-music-790174/
Much of the book discusses how Spotify is not really Swedish or a music company at all. So why do we all know it as such?Snickars: Spotify has used the label of the “Swedish cool,” which is sort of exotic, at least in the U.S. market. But it resembles any other company who is dependent on financial capital; the investigation we’ve done clearly shows this.Eriksson: Spotify is not very different from any other tech company. It relies on investment capital and attracting sponsors of various different kinds. And even though the headquarters are located in Sweden, much of the key areas of the company are located in New York or various other global cities.Snickars: The old-fashioned music industry was bands producing records and selling them in record stores. Today, because of Spotify and others, it’s just a mess of finance, tech and cultural production. The other day it was announced that Spotify is buying a podcast platform. It’s moving in that direction. When you start looking into it, it starts becoming very apparent that it’s not only about music, even though the company is very keen on branding itself that way.
I would love to read something like this book, but the linked interview makes me think the authors didn't learn very much because this is not groundbreaking stuff.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
Aw, man, didn't even get a specific mention of Boston in that piece. "other global cities"...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
there's a chapter titled "glenn macdonald". it's about your name not being swedish and how you buy your groceries with money not cool points.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
they also suggest a different spelling for your name which is rude
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
Swedes always spell "glenn" right, though.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
Why did you monsters change the way artist pages look?
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 14 February 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
I can’t see the top tracks or the discography, just links to playlists with the artist on it and another link to “merch”
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 14 February 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
oh, meant to add, subscriber #s still not visible on my work macbook even when it's maximized
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 14 February 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
Quit and restart, Treeship. I saw mention of a glitch earlier that was causing parts of the artist page to not appear, sounds like you may be hitting that.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
this happened to me as well on mobile actually. tried quitting and restarting and nothing changed. i can work around it for now, but it's sticking for me
― austinb, Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:23 (five years ago) link
Woah there's a new Burial album?! Ah wait.
― seandalai, Friday, 1 March 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
Got me too.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 1 March 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
Reported...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 March 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
The shit artwork had me ???? WTF.
― Twee.TV (I M Losted), Friday, 1 March 2019 15:33 (five years ago) link
you'd think new bands would at least check Discogs, but it appears that nobody cares anymore and all names are up for grabs. I blame fake Ghost for this trend (unfairly perhaps, but they deserve it).
― sold out in presale (sleeve), Friday, 1 March 2019 15:34 (five years ago) link
That said, there were already four other Burials (with proper albums out & all) before the London one had his first release, difficult to prevent this from happening.
― Siegbran, Friday, 1 March 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link
yeah I know, it just bugs me more than it should (although that does surprise me about Burial)
― sold out in presale (sleeve), Friday, 1 March 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
happened to me today with both Burial and Cassie.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 1 March 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
Release Radar playlists still really plagued by this phenomenon.
― nashwan, Friday, 1 March 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
That ‘wrong’ Burial album Divinity Through Eradication also has its release date messed up, it’s a 2009 album not 2019.
― Siegbran, Friday, 1 March 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
fucking different 'Boris' with a new single on my release radar.
― Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 1 March 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
same
― Brad C., Friday, 1 March 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
they even had the cheek to put a pic of Boris (japan) on the email alerting me.if you scroll down the boris albums on Spotify you see an album by the fake Boris who appear to be german
― Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 1 March 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I caught and reported that Boris one, too.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 March 2019 02:34 (five years ago) link
Local Files option seems to have just completely disappeared?
― nashwan, Saturday, 9 March 2019 13:52 (five years ago) link
There's a toggle for Local Files in Preferences now...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 9 March 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
I'm trying not to be reactionary but the new Android update is kinda shonky. My playlists are all over the place. I'm sure I'll get used to it.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
Thanks for pointing it out - guess I will turn it back on then...honestly thought its sudden absence was a bug from the latest update and whether I would've eventually thought to check Prefs for it or found out thru more googling I don't know but guess it goes without saying what I think of this decision (as a user who never ever clicks on half of the other options under Your Library).
― nashwan, Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:50 (five years ago) link
In case anyone else is puzzled by this UI change ... in the iPad version of the app, Browse and Radio no longer appear on the menu bar at the bottom of the screen, but you can find these options on the Search screen if you study it carefully enough.
This was frustrating to me because the majority of my use of Spotify involves the Discover feature, and it took me a long time to discover it again on the Search screen.
Oddly, the UI has stayed the same in the iPhone app, or at least in the version of that app that runs on my antique iPhone.
― Brad C., Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link
They changed the Edit UI in the iPhone app which is really irritating me. Before, if you're listening to a playlist and you decide you want to move or delete a song, you just hit the Edit but and then do it. If you want to delete a song a big red button shows up so you know what you're about to do.
Now, when you hit the Edit button, all the color goes away (for instance the song you're currently listening to, which normally is highlighted in green, is now white like everything else. Deleting a song - all white). Also, but hitting Edit you're taken back to the beginning of the playlist. So now I must scroll back to wherever I was and remember the name of the song I'm deleting because all the little bits of guidance the app was giving me have gone away.
This might be no big deal if I were editing a small playlist but I will often do big song dumps (hundreds of songs) and eventually whittle them down to smaller mixes. And sometimes they are a bunch of weirdly titled tracks by, like, Aphex Twin or Autechre. So all of the above is super irritating when you're a hundred songs deep and the song you want to delete is called something like "monoBIX unical++15 terflx".
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 10 March 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I have the same exact problem with the new playlist-editing method, and have conveyed that feedback to the team. I think the plan is to eventually have a "remove this song from the playlist" command on the inline "..." menu for a song, which would be better than the old way or the new way. Fingers crossed.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 10 March 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
What about swipe to delete?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 10 March 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
Would be nice if app users could move playlists around and take them in and out of folders too.
― Alba, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
While we're at it, might as well bring back shuffle play for folders.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
On the plus side I recently noticed (not sure when it was brought back) you could drag tracks from the in-browser version of the app directly into playlists on the desktop app again after a few years of this having not been possible). So great to have that back.
― nashwan, Sunday, 10 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
Can you select a bunch of songs at once and move them to a playlist? I've tried to do this for my weekly recommendations, but I have to hold control and select them one by one.
Also, no Eddy Grant's Electric Avenue - this is a CRIME!!
― Twee.TV (I M Losted), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
the latest updates for the ios app are so good. kudos to the ux/ui/design teams
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
You can select multiple tracks on desktop but not on mobile. (I wish you could on mobile.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
The previous android app had text saying "devices available" and you clicked it and selected a speaker.
Now it has text saying "devices available" and you click it and it takes you to the song playing screen and the text saying "devices available" disappears.
Seems it's been replaced with a tiny little icon that maybe looks like a speaker if your eyes are under 40.
The real estate freed up by removing the helpful text is now taken up by nothing.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 14 March 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
And it makes Alexa confusing because she asks you to select “devices available.”
― DJI, Thursday, 14 March 2019 22:25 (five years ago) link
More metadata weirdness:
James Thomas' surf band has three separate artist listings, twice as "The Mermen" and once as "Mermen" (he's also there as "Mermen James Thomas" but I think that's an intentional use for his solo work).
― Brad C., Saturday, 16 March 2019 13:25 (five years ago) link
Discography link on the artist page has disappeared. Has top 5 tracks, playlists, appears on but no way to browse their discography. This is on iPad version 12.1.4 .
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 17 March 2019 13:38 (five years ago) link
If you know album title, will show in search.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 17 March 2019 13:39 (five years ago) link
^ I just checked and you are right, Dan, there's no longer a way to get from an artist's page to the artist's discography in the iPad app. This must have gotten broken recently!
― Brad C., Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
Yeah, the iPad thing has been reported, and I expect will be fixed first thing Monday.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 March 2019 01:40 (five years ago) link
Back to normal now, only difference is changed wording from the slightly geeky 'discography' to 'releases'. Thanks, Glenn.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 18 March 2019 12:37 (five years ago) link
generous offer here:http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/03/spotify-premium-family-free-google-home-mini/
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 11:04 (five years ago) link
uk only though.
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 11:05 (five years ago) link
I ordered mine and intend to sell it straight away on eBay as I don't need it. Wonder if there will be a glut of them though.
― Alba, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:20 (five years ago) link
Your delivery was delayed. We're working to get it to you soon and will email you when it's on its way.
Presumably they underestimated demand for this offer.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 21 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
I'm sure many product managers have died on this hill on both sides but: folders
― lukas, Friday, 22 March 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
What about folders?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 22 March 2019 01:16 (five years ago) link
I want them (and I'm gonna feel dumb if they already exist)it's a little broader than just folders, like I'd love it if more of the playlists were instead available as (maybe even annotated) collections of libraries
― lukas, Friday, 22 March 2019 02:57 (five years ago) link
There are nestable folders for playlists, although now I'm wondering if you can still create new folders, I assume you can. I don't think they have the kind of features you want though.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 22 March 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
They exist! You can make new folders! If I couldn't do that, my playlist lists would be a fucking mess and i would move to another service.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 March 2019 03:21 (five years ago) link
Once upon a time, you could shuffle a folder in the mobile app, but I've griped about that countless times ITT.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 22 March 2019 03:32 (five years ago) link
Oh good!Better discovery features would still be cool. I miss the Blue Note app. It's just too bad that we have access to all recorded music and we haven't gotten any more creative with the UI for exploring it. I'm thinking of the Chicago post-rock family tree people posted, that would be a cool UI. Or different subgenres being different neighborhoods and you could build a house that magically had window/balconies overlooking different subgenres ... labels could design their own spaces ... you don't know what you feel like listening to but you dial up a beach, wander around until one of the soundsystems draws you in and it's (insert yr Balearic fave)
― lukas, Friday, 22 March 2019 03:43 (five years ago) link
No longer possible to remove an individual track from an album you’ve saved?
― calstars, Friday, 22 March 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
how the hell do you save an album without every song on the album showing up in the "Songs" playlist? Or am I supposed to just memorise every album I want to listen to?
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 22 March 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
You can organize via folders but I truly miss the ability to shuffle folders. I make a lot of playlists organized by time period and by genre so the ability to shuffle by folders was very efficient. I could shuffle all genres from the 80s or I could go into the folder and only shuffle 80s punk, or go within that folder and only listen to my favorite Black Flag songs.
Once they took away the ability to shuffle folders, I had to make a lot—A LOT—of redundant playlists to capture that same flexibility.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 22 March 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
(I think you can still shuffle folders on desktop but if you can’t do it on mobile it’s worthless.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 22 March 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link
Ability to have playlists with just the album, not all the songs, is sorely needed.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 22 March 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
probably covered above but the New Releases page not actually showing all new releases really bugs me. its obviously algorithm/partner marketing based... because today i listened to and enjoyed new albums from These New Puritans, Lambchop, Andrew Bird and American Football. all of which are on Spotify but not shown as new releases. i mean i would get it if it showed me a limited amount of new releases based on my interests, but when its showing me a limited amount of things and they're not based on my interests...
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 22 March 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
I got Lambchop and Andrew Bird in my Release Radar today.
― DJI, Friday, 22 March 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
I hit that "follow" button on every artist I'm even remotely interested in, and I'm pretty sure it keeps my release radar pretty on point. It feels pretty customized to me every single week.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 22 March 2019 21:13 (five years ago) link
I stumbled across my list of followed artists on my phone earlier. There weren't many names on it but for some reason The War on Drugs were, which explains the mystery of why that stupid band kept showing up on my Release Radar. Later on I tried to find the list again on my phone and couldn't! Anyway eventually tracked it down on desktop and did a bit more pruning then added some artists I actually like.
BTW, the Google tip someone mentioned upthread of finding other people's playlists that feature a song you like is great (eg site:spotify.com love is deep matthew e. white). Ended up finding a guy who has a load of great playlists I'm plundering. Would be great if this function were built into Spotify.
― Alba, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:23 (five years ago) link
Is it just me or is the iOS mobile app fucked today? The new releases section in search has disappeared and reappeared twice for me , new song by Becky G and other artists are just not even there when u click it
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
they’ve just done an update to the ‘browse’ section and it’s still rolling out. my app is wonky as well.
― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
agh wrong thread ignore delete delete
― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
Is this "Hulu free w/Spotify" a limited time thing for people who get it? I don't mean is it being offered for a limited time because I know it is; I'm asking if the free-Hulu part will expire after a certain time for people who sign up for it, or do they allege that it will last for the duration of the Spotify account.
― Fox News Has Normalized a Lie About the Origins of ILX (WmC), Friday, 22 March 2019 23:57 (five years ago) link
Dear Spotify: please just stop changing the UI. Just stop.
― calstars, Saturday, 23 March 2019 12:41 (five years ago) link
I love the new UI but I prob use the app different than u
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
So wait- saving a track and liking a track are the same thing now?
― bendy, Sunday, 24 March 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:41 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
for real. my searchbar disappeared? i kind of use that feature often
― shoulda zagged (esby), Sunday, 24 March 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
The thing for searching within a playlist moved up into the "..." menu.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 25 March 2019 01:55 (five years ago) link
I know this is probably not Glenn's department, but I wonder if my right honorable friend has any insight into this deal. (sorry, under the influence of uk commons fussin')
― Fox News Has Normalized a Lie About the Origins of ILX (WmC), Monday, 25 March 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link
Nothing with these services is ever permanent beyond a few months - I expect they'll bundle it for a while, see how the uptake pans out, and then either kill it, make it a paid upgrade (ie still cheaper than standalone Hulu) or continue as is.
― Siegbran, Monday, 25 March 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
I'm grandfathered in with the defunct Unlimited at $5/mo, and it's going to take some expression of permanence to get me to step into the Hulu snare.
― Fox News Has Normalized a Lie About the Origins of ILX (WmC), Monday, 25 March 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:55 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was looking around online and saw ppl complaining about this but it's not the issue i'm having -- on desktop (mac) there used to be a bar at the top of the program to search from anywhere, now i seem to have to go to the search page which takes a cpl seconds to load. don't know what happened there but i hate it.
― shoulda zagged (esby), Monday, 25 March 2019 16:53 (five years ago) link
I am tired of managing my library at the 10k limit. generated playlists are worthless if I can't easily save the songs I like to remember them later. The limit has forced me into actively managing a library of songs, which is the fundamental problem streaming solved for me. I will always appreciate spotify for moving streaming forward, but I am going to try and use the amazon prime music I already pay for anyway to save $15/month. lagoon's prophecy etc.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
Self-hosted music streaming is the solution for your own library, you can forget about Spotify/Amazon/Apple Music ever doing that well. Plex (that's what I'm using), Emby, Subsonic, Ampache, Funkwhale, take your pick and don't look back.
― Siegbran, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
Ugh. I can understand having a limit but why have it be so low?
― lukas, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
xp the limit isn't for my own library of digital music. I don't own any digital music (technically, I spent maybe one hundred dollars on mp3s that are now lost forever). the limit applies to just saving the artist/song/album names to "your library" and not even downloading. It is absurd.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
still a huge issue that i have no idea why they havent addressed
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
I can think of two reasons why they might do it: 1) to bound the amount of number crunching they need to do when finding your library's overlap with other users' libraries and 2) force you to prune your own data so they have a better idea of who you currently are and what you currently like.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
but to be clear, it is still bad and dumb. so I am throwing a tantrum and leaving.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
Amazon Prime Music seems to have reduced song/artist availability massively to push people into the additional subscription of Amazon Unlimited. Prime has around 2 million songs while unlimited seems to have more than 40 million.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
yeah, I will likely end up paying for unlimited or apple music. saving $15/month would be nice, but I ultimately just want something to work.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
Sorting Hat is down, anyone know if it’s a temporary break or something more permanent?
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
i've never heard of Sorting Hat, but Google led me to a new post from Glenn ,it seems? http://everynoise.com/spotify_new_releases.html
― maffew12, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link
That makes sense, thanks for that. Impossible to listen to everything obviously, but handy resource to help spot stuff I’d otherwise miss.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link
The numbers in that post are nuts. Are more people making music or is this robot stuff? Both?
― maffew12, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
I’d assume that one important factor is that more and more music from more and more countries is being released/uploaded on Spotify. This has certainly been my experience with African pop music over the past few years - and there is still room for significant growth there. For instance, Tanzania, home to the leading musical scene in East Africa, is seriously underrepresented on Spotify compared to a country like Nigeria.
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 30 March 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
That as well eh. I need to check more of that. Cheers!
― maffew12, Saturday, 30 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
New releases is fun! It’s like going to the record store.
― DJI, Saturday, 30 March 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
my desktop spotify is now doing this bizarre thing where if i search for something, the letters i'm typing type BACKWARDS into the search box. the letters literally go from right to left, as if i'm typing in arabic or something. so if i search for "Robyn" it types out "nyboR". i have restarted and it still does it! just astounding
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link
If you C&P from a notes or text file, does it paste in correctly?
― 16 Historic English ILXors You Must Explore Soon (WmC), Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:45 (five years ago) link
perhaps you'd enjoy Abba?
― maffew12, Saturday, 30 March 2019 23:48 (five years ago) link
wow key thx for the heads up
― Mordy, Saturday, 30 March 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
Finding it a useful tool for listening to Podcasts recently. Also means i can listen to them on my phone while I'm out and about.& now finally found my remote control for my dvd player so may go back to watching d/lded video files more.So being able to listen to podcasts while mobile might be very useful.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 31 March 2019 00:32 (five years ago) link
So far so good on the Everynoise Sorting Hat replacement. I search for new American classical releases every week. Searching by genre is easier to do now.
― aworks, Sunday, 31 March 2019 04:18 (five years ago) link
why must we have to go through 100 steps to add local music to our phones (and then not be able to listen to it on a sonos speaker anyway)
has anyone cooked up a decent alternative method?
― musically, Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
This version of "The Sun's Gone Dim and the Sky's Turned Black" from ahem "Cafe Mambo, Music for Dreams: The Sunset Sessions, Vol 1" is credited to Swedish pop star Johan Johansson instead of deceased composer Johann Johannsson. Easy mistake to make.
https://open.spotify.com/track/6XIHgwF5yfOSWI7rb1oS2l?si=HBDIwYd1RQi2_aPVm-3MJQ
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link
excellent april fool's joke spotify
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
Does everyone get the same Discocover playlist?
― Simon H., Monday, 1 April 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
i think so
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
how is last dance by donna summer a "disco cover" or "cover of disco"...am i forgetting something or did this joke playlist not go through a rigorous vetting process
― musically, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
Does everyone get the same Discocover playlist?not this morning, maybe they're operating to strict US time zone april fools.
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
^Don't think I've got this (maybe I'm too late now?) but all tracks on Spotify were playing all distorted as if through a ring modulator until I restarted the app. Never have The Unthanks sounded so rad!
― Jeff W, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
Discocover Weekly is personalized, but from a fairly small pool of joke-relevant tracks, so they won't vary nearly as much as regular DW...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
ahhh i was wondering, thanks for clearing that up glenn
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
Maybe someone already posted this, but it's a FAST way to browse music on Spotify:
https://discoverquickly.com/
― DJI, Monday, 1 April 2019 23:16 (five years ago) link
Where's this Discocover Weekly? All I'm being offered are endless playlists with different photos Billie Eilish looking extraordinarily gormless.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 1 April 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
maybe because it's the 2nd in .au?
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
Seems to have disappeared from my app (USA).
― DJI, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:12 (five years ago) link
Didn't see it yesterday either.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
ya, I'm guessing they might not have rolled it out for the civilised timezones bcz that would have spoilered it for western hemisphereans
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 00:19 (five years ago) link
weird how in 2019 the only april fool's jokes I was aware of were actually good
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 02:16 (five years ago) link
Wish the recently played set up was better organised. IT's claiming I played things i just looked at then found out they weren'yt somethinG i wanted to listen to cos they were in the wrong language or whatever to the exclusion of things i actually have listened to.Haven't played a made for me playlist yet so wonder how inaccurate something like that would be on that basis. If its mistabulating what I am listening to, like.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 10:28 (five years ago) link
I've heard the custom playlist stuff doesn't factor songs you only play a little bit of. Anyhow the history function acts like how I'd expect... would be nice if it was longer eh. But you could always link up your account to last.fm... and exclude brief plays there
― maffew12, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 10:53 (five years ago) link
This was podcasts this morning. So things i'd gone to the page for and seen the language being used was french, Spanish or whatever so not actually played any of. Whereas some things i had played several episodes of hadn't shown up on the recently played page at all.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:59 (five years ago) link
The Library size limit is pretty shit huh
― badg, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
i just cant fathom why it hasnt been addressed yet
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
It feels like in general Spotify wants to discourage listening to albums instead of playlists.
― ryan, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link
perhaps they worry you may run out of discoverable things if you are able to remember that you previously discovered them
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
the whole discover weekly "algorithm" is making a playlist of shit you were forced to remove from your library
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
the album thing is weird. if you're listening to a song, navigating to the album it's on requires a trip to "..." and scrolling down which is juuust annoying enough to not do most of the time
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
you can just tap the song title and it will take you to the album
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
But then you risk what is probably single most annoying thing associated with streaming: accidentally playing a song when you didn't mean to. Wars have been started for less.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
Accidentally playing a song when you didn't mean to is a tautology for the ages. Also: new board description.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
start the mistaken song again once or twice, it will sound like you're "jamming"
― maffew12, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
you are all otm imo
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
I wish I could umm.. sort my album list randomly.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 21:23 (five years ago) link
Still want to be able to shuffle play a folder of playlists...
― DJI, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 21:40 (five years ago) link
Windows desktop version 1.1.3.259: Wait, what?
It seems the search bar has been removed from the window in general, and I have to select "Search" at the top of the left sidebar, to get a search bar – as soon as I click on a song, album, artist etc, the subsequent page is without search bar! Is this really intentional?
This makes playlist work a horrible experience: Say I want to add a few unrelated tracks to an existing playlist far down in my left-sidebar playlist tree. Okay, I go to "Search", search for the first one, find it, click on song/album link, scroll down in the sidebar to the correct playlist, drag the track over. I can handle that. BUT, then to search for the next one, I must either scroll the sidebar back to the top to click "Search" again, or use the back-button -- but the back-button ALSO scrolls the sidebar back to the top (!!!), so that I must repeat the scrolling down once for the next song as well!
Surely the search bar should always be easily accessible?! Or am I missing some simple workaround?
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
The search shortcut Ctrl+L works, but also idiotically scrolls the sidebar back up so it can visibly highlight the "Search" choice. Can this nonsense have been internally tested for even half an hour before being rolled out?
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
it's good to see a version number posted. I checked and I'm running the same. Haven't noticed much recent change at all. Rarely do. Search bar stays, no matter how small I make the Spotify window.Am I just lucky? It's strange how the client seems to constantly break for a lot of people. I seldom update (manually) on Android, because of the complaints I see online.Am in Canada for what it's worth
― maffew12, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
Interesting! Let me double-check the version number... the entire thing is 1.1.3.259.g8172f63a
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
You could drag your playlist to the top of your list to avoid the scrolling to search issue - something I always do when building playlists on desktop.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
It’s not an issue, it’s a feature
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
I’m still trying to pin down what’s so horrible about the new ui on iOS, mainly because it’s so baffling that I am never sure I’m able to do what I’m trying to do until after something unexpected happens and then I go digging in menusMaybe one thing is that they’ve conflated saving music with liking music when they should be the same thing? Who knows. I guess my expectations should be lower. And they’ve succeeded in making me realize that
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
bringing the heart thing in after removing stars years ago is kind of a weird move but im into it anyway.
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:24 (five years ago) link
My search bar is always present, too.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 23:11 (five years ago) link
haha imagine investing £10+/month into a virtual music collection stored in the digital ether within a shitty UI that's constantly getting fucked with by a company that doesn't pay independent artists fairly while limiting your own music collection to 10k songs and turning music into wallpaper via bland vanilla playlists
― meaulnes, Thursday, 4 April 2019 10:42 (five years ago) link
I haven't come up on this limit. these things are best used as a supplement to your own collection, even if that collection is just a bunch of files that you play with another player that isn't made to be online all the time.
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:07 (five years ago) link
within a shitty UI that's constantly getting fucked with by a company that doesn't pay independent artists fairly
nothing like itunes/apple then.
I ran out of energy for updating my own collection years ago (arguably this is my problem but all UIs are in principle always shitty and way more trouble than sticking a cd on a shelf and dealing with two different digital music UIs is too much).
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:31 (five years ago) link
I sympathize a lot with everyone here
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:37 (five years ago) link
I'm currently maintaining my digital collection with Logitech Media Server, so.. keep me in your prayers as well please
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:38 (five years ago) link
To be fair, iTunes itself is a very powerful (even scriptable) library manager with a great UI. But payments to the artists are similarly poor of course.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:47 (five years ago) link
itunes was becoming bloatware before I quit it, has it improved?
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Thursday, 4 April 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
i use Dopamine on windows, switched recently from foobar2000. both totally faultless, FLAC compatible. dunno about mac.
― meaulnes, Thursday, 4 April 2019 13:08 (five years ago) link
Depends what you define as 'bloatware' - iTunes has a lot of powerful functionality but if you don't need the library management aspect of it (scripts/filtering) or the features like remote control, then there's lighter music players around sure.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 4 April 2019 13:22 (five years ago) link
I've tried MusicBee of late and it's a great little tool. Trouble is, I'm still uploading to Google Play Music (probably futilely) and the easiest way to manage that is through iTunes, so I'm still attached to the bloody thing, like it or not.
Is Dopamine better than MusicBee, anyone know?
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link
haven't tried Dopamine but really liked Musicbee the while I used it. I switched to foobar from there for whatever reason, but the amount of tinkering around with it to get it up to the level of library management that Musicbee does "out of the box" is just nuts. Also had the impression foobar sounded better... not sure how that works exactly!
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link
good burn if meaulnes had said anything about itunes or apple
― blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
spotify app has become 100 percent useless for its primary function for me (commute listening) as i can no longer access my saved albums if there’s no internet connection to tap into. not sure when this happened but i remember a not-too-distant past when i didn’t have this problem
the ui does get worse and worse. sweet recent font change though
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:29 (five years ago) link
Is there a reason you don't save the stuff you want to listen to offline?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link
That's weird. You've downloaded the albums, not just saved them, right?
― Alba, Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
that is the germane questionbut when you step back and look at it from a non-nerd perspective it sounds inane!
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
Thread by David Lowery:
Try living on $0.0038 a stream and then get back to me. https://t.co/bUVtICBfQ1— David C Lowery (@davidclowery) April 4, 2019
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
Yes, saved is stupid Spotify terminology to anyone who has old-fashioned pre-cloud ideas of what saving means, it's true.
― Alba, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:27 (five years ago) link
That sounds like I'm being sarcastic. I genuinely think it's stupid!
― Alba, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
"ahh you've saved it, you see, but it's not actually on your phone"whaaa
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:42 (five years ago) link
You can still listen to downloaded stuff offline iirc
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
yes but not "saved" stuff, which is a distinction that i have to say strikes me as fairly counterintuitive
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
i can *listen* to downloaded stuff offline, but i can't access the album pages offline, so if i want to, say, switch from one album to another while i'm in between stations on the train, i ... can't
and i'm pretty sure i used to be able to
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link
and these would all be saved, downloaded albums, i don't fuck around
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
yeah, I can still see "Your Library"->"Albums" while offline
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link
if that's what's meant by "the album pages"
is this even with Settings > Offline mode ticked on? I use this loads cuz I have 1gb mobile data... even the app phoning home about my activity with offline tracks is a bit much
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:42 (five years ago) link
if so, delete app and start again, I'd say. I got to clean house on this thing once in a while. Android that is. Windows and Linux have given me no issues
― maffew12, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
If you're interested in the effect of streaming on the music industry, this is a much more informative document than a Dave Lowery rant on Twitter:
https://www.ifpi.org/downloads/GMR2019.pdf
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 5 April 2019 01:16 (five years ago) link
Am i missing something about syncing up between 2 different devices apparently supposedly playing the same queued playing list. Seems like half the time I put on my phone and its gone back to the queue from the last time I used it and sometimes it picks up the queue after the show its playing ends.Also found it getting rid of the queue I had set up whej i swapped from phone to the desktop.
― Stevolende, Friday, 5 April 2019 10:56 (five years ago) link
I've found that the queue can be dramatically different from device ti device. I've tried shuffling a large playlist on my phone, which works reasonably well. When I bump it over to the roku app the queue changes a lot because the roku app can only shuffle from a small portion of a playlist.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 5 April 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link
Wtf case study : Add an album to your library Playing album...oh I don’t like this song...tap the ellipsis Uncheck “like” and be told the song has been removed from my libraryGo back to album track list and it’s still there???
― calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 13:04 (five years ago) link
works for me (desktop & android app)
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Friday, 5 April 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, April 5, 2019 6:04 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh yeah, this happens now too, it sucks complete ass
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 5 April 2019 13:26 (five years ago) link
apple will make a commercial with "limit to your love" playing where person touches the little spotify heart on a track and is told about the 10k limit.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
I've been using Spotify for nearly a decade and I still don't really know what "Your Music" is. Is this the stuff you've downloaded for offline listening, or just some list of favorites? Do people listen to these huge lists on shuffle or something?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:20 (five years ago) link
It is the lists of artists, albums, and songs you like. The songs list is long and useless. The other two are nice to have.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
My workflow is: I hear a song, add it to my library/save it/like it/star it/whatever it is this week, then every so often I go through the what I've added and put them in suitable playlists. I never listen to the whole lot on shuffle.
― Alba, Friday, 5 April 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
I see. It's the that list of stuff I've accidentally + on
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
clicked
Alba flow is otm
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
I stay away from the 'add to your library' functionality - be it star, heart, add to saved tracks etc - precisely because I can't work out what goes where and it seems to change all the time anyway. I just playlists, which work just fine for me.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
my approach is an evolving mess.I did notice something recently on desktop that I'd like to see on mobile... an option in the saved Albums view to only show albums I've saved (and/or downloaded?) in full. I don't "save" any songs aside from albums because it makes the "album" view useless. For tracks, I'll throw them on a playlist instead.I'm tripping over myself now because I have some songs from saved albums on playlists that I have downloaded, making the album show up on my album view when I am in offline modeI know that if anyone would understand, it'd be y'all
― maffew12, Friday, 5 April 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
I'm sure this isn't an entirely new thing but it feels like it: using apps is a lot like watching modern telly programmes in that you have to surrender to them basically making shit up in front of you. Which makes me sound really old but there it is.
Fwiw, ethical implications aside, I'm still very much in the Spotify has been a total fucking revelation camp.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 5 April 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
Is it not really feasible for third parties to create alternative Spotify clients/front-ends?
― mick signals, Friday, 5 April 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
in previous years i tried to track my listening with different genre playlists but some of them i'd rarely get to and managing so many different playlists was a pita so this year i just made one Best Of list and one To Listen list and now i'm hearing much more of the stuff i intend to but the To Listen list has gotten out of control it's too huge.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2019 15:44 (five years ago) link
Yeah this is basically how I approach it too, my big list of favorites and my periodically rotating new music list. I have lots of other lists, but none get a fraction of the play of these two.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 5 April 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
I've gone from a to listen playlist to a to listen folder but it's terrifyingly vast - like a Borges library. Ach, the tyranny of permutations.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 5 April 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
In full on 'and another thing!' taxi driver mode here but why does the 'repeat' button get so much real estate? I was just looking at my CD player and thinking I've never used that button.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 5 April 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
Everybody otm. I think we should unionize.
― maffew12, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
One day I went to smarterplaylists.net and got all of my Discover Weekly recommendations to archive to one big playlist every week.Don't be like me.
― maffew12, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link
I'm currently maintaining my digital collection with Logitech Media Server
fist bump
― mick signals, Friday, 5 April 2019 16:53 (five years ago) link
I’ve experienced that offline thing while commuting. Even while in offline mode, it seems to try to connect to their servers and hangs for a while. I usually get past it by selecting different tabs or closing/restarting the app.
― beard papa, Friday, 5 April 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
I guess I’ll convert all of my saved albums to playlists just for the sake of being able to edit individual songs out of the albums. Ok ok ok
― calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
Salute to those still hanging in with Logitech Media Server ... I broke down and switched to Plex
― Brad C., Friday, 5 April 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
why does the 'repeat' button get so much real estate? I was just looking at my CD player and thinking I've /never/ used that button.
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:13 (five years ago) link
I don't think I've ever thought 'this morning, I am going to listen to x FOUR times' - wow, a handy 'repeat' button. I might think 'I'm going to listen to that again' and press rewind or whatever.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:26 (five years ago) link
Most frequent use for me: having the same lullaby repeat over and over for my baby.
― Alba, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:39 (five years ago) link
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:43 (five years ago) link
The very thought of being that programmatic is giving me hives: I genuinely don't enter into a listening experience thinking 'I'm going to listen to this 3 times in a row'. Shit is getting existential.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:47 (five years ago) link
Where did I even say that? I’m talking about wanting to hear the song you’re listening to at that particular moment again. It’s as spontaneous and spur of the moment as it comes: there is no programming involved in that at all, leave alone programming the number of times you’re going to listen to it in advance (which isn’t even possible in Spotify, unless you want to queue up the same song back to back.(why do I even have to explain this?)
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:56 (five years ago) link
Sorry, not being entirely serious - was thinking more about on a CD player at that point. On a Spotify thread. I should probably go get some fresh air.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 6 April 2019 10:16 (five years ago) link
I’m getting some too lol
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 10:29 (five years ago) link
I don't think I've ever felt the need to relisten to a song again immediately after having listened to it. I agree, relisten button serves no purpose
― silverfish, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:15 (five years ago) link
Another alien lol!
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:17 (five years ago) link
Songs you could listen to on repeat for hours...Songs you could listen to forever?Song on repeat...and of course: Songs to listen to while high?
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
I can testify that there is a non-trivial set of people for whom the Repeat button is a core part of their listening approach.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 7 April 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
(they are all infants)
― Alba, Sunday, 7 April 2019 13:39 (five years ago) link
Those old threads have got some real gems in them - thanks.
― Alba, Sunday, 7 April 2019 13:43 (five years ago) link
i didn't realize there was a way to listen to "old town road" besides Repeat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― musically, Sunday, 7 April 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
if i want to listen to a song again i hit the back button, or scroll back to the part i want to hear again
i tried experimenting with listening to songs on repeat as a side effect of some fairly severe mental illness and i found that listening to songs more than twice in a row is probably not a good idea
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 April 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
for a while there was a radio station that had an unexpectedly long transfer of ownership and during that period it played the same songs at the same time every day, that was actually very nice, for several months i would expect to hear "give up the funk" at precisely 5:02 pm, followed by whatever the song after that was, etc. as fixed as the nature of most radio stations is i am surprised that there aren't any stations that have deliberately adopted that approach.
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 April 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link
one station where i live (which prominently touts ''''variety'''' in its branding) basically plays the same playlist every day and sometimes barely even varies the order or timing-of-day compared to the previous day
― dyl, Monday, 8 April 2019 01:30 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was going to say: does the repeat button work for playlists? I imagine that would be a big use case for shops etc.
― Alba, Monday, 8 April 2019 05:29 (five years ago) link
it does work for playlists. i leave it on.
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Monday, 8 April 2019 05:44 (five years ago) link
if i want to stop listening to an album rather than having it repeat i hit the stop button
What's a stop button?
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
it's what the kids are calling ambien these days
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
I'm noticing that shuffling large playlists for roku seems to work better when I launch them in the roku app rather than launching from a separate device. For some reason, hitting shuffle on a different device and then connecting to roku causes it to diminish the range of tracks it shuffles.
I really wish the roku app would give you a menu for songs that takes you to the related album/artist page/radio list. Also wish the search function was better at searching up artists. It strange that it can't do this.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 04:14 (five years ago) link
Sonos is the same - can’t shuffle large playlists.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link
The classic “Greatest Hits” compilation of Fleetwood Mac (the Peter Green-era band) has a bizarre alternate tracklist missing most of that era of the band’s most important hits: Green Manalishi, Oh Well (Pts 1 & 2), Man of the World.
It even features doctored art so those titles don’t appear on the front. All the relevant tracks are on Spotify elsewhere though.
That’s weird.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 14 April 2019 06:18 (five years ago) link
this one?
https://www.discogs.com/Fleetwood-Mac-Fleetwood-Mac-Greatest-Hits/master/119892
probably a rights issue on those early tunes
I somehow never realized Green Manalishi was never on a studio LP!
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:36 (five years ago) link
the Game of Thrones show creators created a playlist dedicated to the show that's featured on the spotify splash page and would you be shocked that of the 51 songs, 48 are sung by men
― musically, Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link
How many are dead?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2019 12:30 (five years ago) link
more than 3 i assume
― musically, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 01:46 (five years ago) link
I counted 5 women lead singers and only one dead song. I also didnt know half the songs thank god.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 04:23 (five years ago) link
you have more patience than i do, after seeing the 20th interchangeable indie band of four white guys i decided to guess
― musically, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
i do respect that they threw prince's "sister" on the playlist tho
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
choosing songs because their titles somewhat tie into a theme is the lowest form of playlist creation
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link
hbo must pay for this list, no?
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
s/o to my all time favorite playlist (though it's from Apple)
Which of the songs from On the Road Again: Songs about Driving is the least about driving?
― musically, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
yeah there's no way HBO didn't pay for it, there were lots of featured GoT playlists on the main page
― musically, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
Lena Platoons' Galop is listed twice, the one labeled as released in 2015 should be Lepidoptera
― willem, Saturday, 20 April 2019 07:50 (five years ago) link
Platonos
defo
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 20 April 2019 09:49 (five years ago) link
The one listed as "Gallop" looks like the 2015 reissue with titles translated to English. Lepidoptera is here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5VRkFwDGXmrv5AiRVHyiob?si=YJumVND2RbCQEjTOE-FtDg
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
My "your heavy rotation" is exclusively composed of albums I've played once this month. (Instead of, like, Paranoid or Voices Carry which I've played a zillion times.)
― lukas, Sunday, 21 April 2019 08:11 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 21 April 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link
Anyone else have the incredibly irritating thing where the desktop app refuses to search for what you have typed in the searchbar, and instead keeps on returning results for your previous search?
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 03:55 (five years ago) link
my desktop app regularly starts spelling what I'm typing in backwards until I hit the x button. that shit drives me nuts, it's the only app that does that on my mac.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
it's quite something!
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
Great Friday morning goes to listen to new VW and Spotify is down
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
They're just looking out for you, is all
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:27 (five years ago) link
What a disaster
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:29 (five years ago) link
Servers going down on new music Friday is a bad look for sure
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:33 (five years ago) link
Is it still not working for you? I was able to pull it up with no problem.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:42 (five years ago) link
Might be regional but others in my office are down too
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:43 (five years ago) link
this is really disappointing from a paid service . been down all night in some parts
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 13:08 (five years ago) link
the most upsetting thing is that they have multiple outlets to communicate this stuff and they just say nothing.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
Im able to play music from my saved playlists but not my saved albums, and not from anything else. And I don’t mean downloaded, just saved.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 May 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
lmao this sucks
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:03 (five years ago) link
as usual, i feel bad for musicians
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:04 (five years ago) link
the web client gave me an error message earlier, but I had no problems with the iOS app, and now the web client is working too
― Brad C., Friday, 3 May 2019 14:08 (five years ago) link
they finally said something
Uh oh, we’re having some issues right now and are investigating. We’ll keep you updated here!— Spotify Status (@SpotifyStatus) May 3, 2019
but pretty fucked up these artist get fucked out of some excitement for their new album debuts
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link
With this pause plus the above article and other recent ones I've read about just how bad streaming income is, I'm starting to think about moving to buying more music again. Sort of wish I didn't sell like 90% of my CDs though!
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link
https://blog.usejournal.com/music-streaming-services-are-gaslighting-us-d782fe44072f?fbclid=IwAR0moqkMsSmAd9TKGd9girnYtoW_YYCAJGYXIFwnzSY1nFNtGIZZuS31sHg
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:56 (five years ago) link
that is an irresponsible use of the word “gaslighting”
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 3 May 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
My retirement plan will be selling burned CDRs to former Spotify subscribers for $1000 a pop
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 3 May 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
that article is weird.
― Mordy, Friday, 3 May 2019 15:13 (five years ago) link
the decline of music journalism (if that is in fact what is happening) isn't the fault of spotify. bandcamp does a better job of curation than spotify but can't match spotify's massive catalog. this guy is having choice fatigue but if you're able to source good recommendations (like maybe from ILM, or doing independent research) bandcamp can't match the spotify library. the compensation for artist question is obv a good one but unrelated to the complaints he's trying to root his thesis in.
― Mordy, Friday, 3 May 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
On my album picks today was the deluxe edition of 'Foxbase Alpha' by Saint Etienne https://open.spotify.com/album/1qAnfCre0JU0IREm1esVJU?si=Ai0w_22HS-Gv-IfFBQeuCw which piqued my interests as afaik the deluxe editions have never been on Spotify. So I do a search for Saint Etienne Deluxe and a couple of the comiplations show up, but no Foxbase Alpha deluxe. Do a search for Foxbase Alpha and only the standard edition shows. What's going on with the search?
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 5 May 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
Looks like the Deluxe Edition is only actually available in Ireland. We match up tracks by audio, so that's why you can play the first "disc" of the deluxe edition, and 3 of the 14 songs on the second one: those tracks are available on other releases...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 5 May 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
Thanks Glenn. That's a shame, wonder why they're available in Ireland but not the UK.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 5 May 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link
Can't see anywhere to report errors on Spotify unless I have a "role" in the music industry. Anyway glenn, if you can be bothered, Leonard Cohen's track "True Love Leaves No Traces" from Death of a Ladies' Man is listed as True Loves plural.
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
I'll ask people to ask the label to fix that. Cohen deserves it.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
Many thanks glenn!
― Alba, Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:19 (five years ago) link
https://support.spotify.com/us/contact-spotify-anonymous/ seems to be the place for this kind of thing (select on "Report an offensive or broken track/album"). I've reported the Cohen error there.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
I have had several podcasts cued up on a number of occasions and just hit one that appears to play silently. Does taht mean it's been removed or what, it tends to be shows that have several episodes listed at the time but just don't seem to want to playJUst came across the Thurston Moore episode of Turned out to Be A punk which is thankfully available on its own website.Would be interested to find out if they do play for anybody else. I think I have a standard subscription to Spotify so would be surprised if things taht were listed were in some way restricted.Or is it a glitch?Have come across it on 3 or 4 different unrelated series so can't really see a connection since other things continue to play if i switch to them.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Xp looks like that might be a good link to report some seriously racist country music I stumbled on recently.
― Heez, Sunday, 12 May 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
Morrissey came up on my Release Radar today and did something I’ve never done, which was to block him from appearing again. Made me curious which acts are most blocked. I assume Spotify have the data, but keep it closely guarded.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 17 May 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
i didn't know you could block an artist!
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
You can thank R Kelly for that feature, I think.
― DJI, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Why is Spotify putting him on recommendations when he is now so far to the right? I mean, I understand that his stuff is going to be available, and I'll admit to listen once in a while for the purposes of research, but actively promoting him is another thing altogether. And I'm wondering what the racist country music records are....
― Hyper-Capitalists Against the Entertainment Business (I M Losted), Saturday, 18 May 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link
The active promotion is presumably being done by software based on your listening, rather than a human agent, though?
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:01 (five years ago) link
anybody know how to open a spotify link in the app instead of in the browser?
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link
Paste the url into the app search bubble
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:52 (five years ago) link
Sort of weird, and I should just let it go, but I'm wondering if there is a reason for this, and ifit's something to look out for.
I go to Joy Zipper's page to download the first album. It only has 10 songs and is missing "The Power of Alan Watts"I search the song title and it takes me to an an album that includes it. From that album I go to the artists page and againonly find the album that's missing the Watts song. So is seems if I had not searched for the song, there was no way of findingthe 11 song album.
― nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
The two versions of this album are grouped together. I don't know why the shorter version is the "main" version, and I'll report that. The desktop client has a "1 More Release" button that lets you go back and forth between versions. (But the mobile version doesn't.)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
Every week, my New Release Radar recommends something from the new Madonna but I can't fathom what I've played that's even similar to latter day Mads.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 00:34 (five years ago) link
I think Release Radar is made up of new(ish) releases by artists you've played before, so if you've listened to Madonna before and there aren't enough other new things from artists you've played in the past, it makes sense that a track would show up.
― fffv, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:13 (five years ago) link
Ah, fuck, Stations has vanished from my desktop app.
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Saturday, 25 May 2019 08:47 (five years ago) link
Also, the David Axelrod promoted in this week's RR is very much not the same as the David Axelorod people will actually be wanting to listen to.
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Friday, 31 May 2019 00:53 (five years ago) link
people seem to want to listen to Obama's David Axelrod more, given that they just put his podcast behind a paywall
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 31 May 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link
Why would one album from an artist not be available when all others are, despite them all being on the same label?
I don't see Kaleidoscope by Siouxsie and the Banshees listed under their albums or when I search by album title.
I can find the album on Spotify via a Google search but the only songs available are those on a compilation.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 31 May 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
I noticed the Kaleidoscope issue last week. Assumed it's out of print for a bit, whatever that means these days. Looks like it's missing on iTunes too?
― bendy, Friday, 31 May 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link
Strange -- I'm pretty sure I listened to Kaleidoscope front to back a few weeks ago, but now it's gone, yes.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
Though I am 100% committed to streaming I do miss packaging, kind of sucks not to have any details whatsoever about the recording - lyrics, credits, etc. And the cover image you get when playing full screen could be 50% larger, there's loads of empty space above and below. I'd be willing to pay extra for digital packaging, maybe that's a minority opinion.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 3 June 2019 08:36 (five years ago) link
whatever happened to apple's premium digital packaging thing?
― koogs, Monday, 3 June 2019 08:52 (five years ago) link
^ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-digital/digital-album-packaging-should-improve-in-2008-idUSN3049009520071231
― koogs, Monday, 3 June 2019 08:58 (five years ago) link
Why would every song from the CD of Richard & Linda Thompson's End of the Rainbow: The Island Record Years be included on the Spotify version except for the last and best track, an epic live take of "Calvary Cross"?
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:11 (five years ago) link
Any idea why My Bloody Valentine's whole catalogue has been unavailable in the EU for a few weeks now?
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:05 (five years ago) link
Don't Ask Why
― Alba, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:19 (five years ago) link
I just realized a good way to find good playlists that might have stuff on them that you haven't heard before. They're in the "about" section when you look at an artist. Gives you a better, more personal context for an artist when you want to hear other stuff in that vein.
― Oklamoma! Original Broadway Cast Recording (I M Losted), Monday, 3 June 2019 12:51 (five years ago) link
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/spotify-social-listening/
outloud.dj / turntable.fm social thing in the works apparently
― The Bite Game with Jim Lamprey (WmC), Monday, 3 June 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
Thats cool - I guess the next step will be adding live mixing to this?
― Siegbran, Monday, 3 June 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
Hadn't realised taht podcast wouldn't be streaming from Spotify as website. Or to put taht another way. I just had my old modem cease to function which meant that both utorrent and internet websites didn't connect whereas a podcast I was playing through the computer continued to play. So does it download first then play or what, which is why I'm asking if it does something other than play on the site. Just would have thought it would cut out when both the other things I was getting just ceased. THink it would have played through to the end if I hadn't stopped it to get the new modem attached.Otherwise just not geting how that worked, thought it would rely on having an internet connection to continue.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
Just would have thought Spotify feed would stop almost immediately on the Internet disconnecting. Continued playing for several minutes after.Would have thought that a buffer would be very short I. E.several seconds.Think it only went off because computer did when wrong lead got pulled as I was attaching new modem.Broadband service gave me new modem this afternoon. Seems to have been timed to have old modem turn off a couple of hours after I signed reception with he courier.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
The default on Spotify now seems to be to repeat whatever song or album you've selected instead of just stopping when it's over. I don't consider this desirable at all. (If I fall asleep listening to From Genesis to Revelation, that's one thing, but I don't want to wake up also listening to it.) I realize you can de-select the repeat button, but I don't feel I should have to do this every time I want to listen to something. Is there a way to change the default?
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
can anyone tell me how to bulk remove checks/stars from songs? i use that on the fly to rummage and notate long playlists of new music and hitting that boundary is pissing me off.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
i think just go to your library and select whatever songs and right click 'remove songs from your library'. also go post on the spotify community about it. more and more people are going to hit that limit and they need to know its a horrible thing and they need to fix it.https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Your-Music-Increase-maximum-Songs-allowed-in-Your-Music/idi-p/733759
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:17 (five years ago) link
thanks, that seems to work in batches of like a hundred or so. yeah, it's totally dumb.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
ive maxed it out three times now.
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link
second time but i spent an hour unchecking stuff and knew their must be a better way.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
oh god what a trash ios mobile update
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link
what changed, should i avoid?
― big city slam (Spottie), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
it's just a mess imo .. changes to Artist library and shit idk .trying to figure it out now but it's not good
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
For some reason my ipad won't update its OS for the last several versions, which has the happy advantage of meaning my iteration of Spotify on there is old and working beautifully
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
this is more a streaming services in general, and I am very prepared for the answer to this to be no, but are there any APIs that allow data to be accessed about the features of the music itself (beat detection, structure, etc.), and not the metadata?
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
djay's Spotify integration seems to have some of that sort of thing happening, but I can't really tell what's Spotify metadata and what djay itself might be doing (either on my computer or their server)
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
If I’m not mistaken djay stores that metadata locally and/or on yr personal iCloud, it doesnt sync it back to Spotify for others to use, which makes sense as you can modify the bpm detection/key/etc yourself.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link
fwiw I am about 10 years of coding ability away from doing anything with this but the stuff I am tossing around wouldn't require anything to be synced back
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
right right. Is there even another streaming service that has an integration like this available? Might be the closest thing for whatever Katherine's looking to do
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
Spotify used to have a more open API with all sorts of little third party apps, before I ever used it.
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
the other solution is to let people work off files on their hard drive, like audiosurf does, but I don't think people... store music that way often anymore, certainly not as often as when it was released
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link
oo making a music game? They're still a thing aren't they? People into those still have a bit of an MP3 collection, I'd think!
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link
maybe in 2008 but things have changed colossally in the past decade in terms of relying on streaming, particularly for newer music
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
I think some link up with services that provide free-use music? Been a while since I looked at any of these
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
some yeah, but the ideas I am tossing around rely on songs people know and have pre-existing attachments to (otherwise I'd just hire a composer)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
sounds like $$$
― maffew12, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
the eternal reality check
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
Spotify seems to support some kind of API for musical information: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/tracks/get-audio-analysis/
― voyou, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
The free Serato Pyro app still beat-mixes from Spotify with astonishing precision.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Lots of audio information available from the Spotify API...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
Just been recommended Lulu's new one. ("To Sir With Love" is a favourite of mine). It's called "Some Mutherfuckers". Thanks, Spotify
― fetter, Friday, 21 June 2019 10:29 (five years ago) link
Thought it was called “Melancholy.”
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 June 2019 11:14 (five years ago) link
I like to "DJ" using the queue, and it would be easier for me if there were an option for moving a track to the top of the queue, like many music players have. Sometimes I have a queue that is fifty tracks long, and it's a pain to drag the track all the way to the top. Or is there an easier way of doing this that I'm not aware of?
― War in I Rock (I M Losted), Friday, 21 June 2019 11:23 (five years ago) link
I've tried moving podcasts up the queue on my phone and its not worked. Is there an easy way to do that. Can't left click or right click as far as I can see so don't have much nuance in highlighting.Can you move them up and down queue on a mobile anyway.JUst tends to jump onto the podcast I'm trying to shift and ditch the others taht are between the previously playing one and the one I'm trying to line up next where I'd like them to just play after teh one I'm trying to move.
― Stevolende, Friday, 21 June 2019 11:59 (five years ago) link
It's very annoying that after 15 years of smartphone (and desktop) apps there's a pretty good template by now how to implement features and UI design in a music player (queue and playlist management, navigation by artist/album/genre, shuffle, etc) but every new developer tends to ignore all of that, goes for the awesome impractical crazy unique radical design thing, only to slowly revert to what everybody else does because it works.
― Siegbran, Friday, 21 June 2019 12:46 (five years ago) link
I don't think the music-playing universe now is the same as the one 15 years ago, so I don't resent experimentation. (Also: I don't work on the UI at Spotify.)
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/spotify-determines-that-it-overpaid-publishers-in-2018-requests-refund-1203250260/
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:49 (five years ago) link
The “appears on” list is now so short that I can’t even get a full list of appearances on 2019 Riddims for most dancehall artists. It’s totally ridiculous. Please help, Glenn!
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:27 (five years ago) link
Sorry, longneck, not totally sure what you're looking at. More details?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 24 June 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
Dancehall artists typically appear on at least a dozen riddims in the course of a year. These songs are not necessarily singles, and they won’t show up under “albums”, as the album belongs to the producer. But as you might not know who produced a ridding, you’re likely to go to “appears on” in the iPhone app to find the riddims an artist has appeared on. But if I go to, say, Vybz Kartel to look for the riddims he has appeared on, I’m only shown 25 titles and most of these are recent compilations. The 25th and oldest “appears on” entry was added as recently as 15 May, meaning that anything Vybz Kartel appeared on previously to 15 May is simply not there. This makes keeping track of an artists work pretty difficult.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 24 June 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link
I assume you're looking on a phone, where it's true that we only show the first 25. If you look on the desktop version you can see the whole (very long) Vybz Kartel list...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 24 June 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
So they got rid of starred tracks … then added Liked Tracks … which instead of including my years of starred tracks, includes every track from every album I have saved?
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
yeah real confused by this
― big city slam (Spottie), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
xxpost Yeah, I mainly listen on my phone...
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
Although in good news, they've finally made it so you can save an album without saving every track in the album! Hurrah!
― closed beta (NotEnough), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link
this garbage program now has so much bloatware and pointless code tacked onto it that it no longer runs on my Macbook Pro, it takes somewhere between "5 minutes" and "never" to do anything like search an artist, switch playlists, or click on an album. gonna be cancelling my paid sub after maybe 3 years because no, I am not buying a new fucking computer when I can stream Netflix as well or better than I could 3 years ago.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT
Spotify Version 1.1.10.540.gfcf0430f
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012)2.5 GHz Intel Core i54 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
― Skip Spence None the Richer (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 01:23 (five years ago) link
(I needed to hear a few Mekons songs I didn't know, I went to Youtube instead)
― Skip Spence None the Richer (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link
"You have forced Spotify to quit. Send a report to Apple"
― Skip Spence None the Richer (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 01:25 (five years ago) link
i was able to roll back to an old version after they removed the search bar (lol thx dudes), iirc i just googled for it and found a page with a bunch of diff revisions & was back in business. you might need to change some permissions so it doesn't auto-update but it'll work fine.
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 01:37 (five years ago) link
it is definitely bloating to unpleasant proportions
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 03:14 (five years ago) link
I'm running the same version on a late 2013 2.4GHz Intel Core i5 and I have to say it's … completely fine, when God knows many things on this MacBook are really not any more. I do have 8GB of RAM so I guess that could be the difference but really, Chrome quite regularly seizes up on this machine (and the other day, Notes!) so I wonder if not about bloat and more something specific that gets fucked up with the installation or preferences on some machines.
― Alba, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 04:28 (five years ago) link
I use the browser version, no bloat (and no ads!)
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 04:34 (five years ago) link
On my 2013 iMac at work the application is useless, freezes all the time, doesn't do searches or anything really, same as Sleeve. Can only use the webplayer.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 07:04 (five years ago) link
The browser version has lower sound quality, though, no?
The app experience on my Windows PC is pretty dreadful, it drags and noticeably slows down after running for more than 15 minutes, and sometimes even freezes the whole fucking computer. The Android version was fine until fairly recently but lately it's been crashing a lot and I get the 'offline mode' error when I'm not. I'm thinking of cancelling my subscription as well, there's no point in paying for something that makes me want to pull my hair out in frustration.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link
Not sure about the lower quality, I wouldn't notice that cause of the in-built imac speakers not being great obv. But yeah, it's frustrating as hell that the app is woeful.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link
Premium user here, using the Android app. I used to be able to download a whole album and then remove certain tracks from it. So if I downloaded a whole reissued album including bonus tracks, for example, I could remove those bonus tracks from the download which I didn't want, in order to save space. But now it seems to have changed so that it's all or nothing. Every track has the little green downward arrow next to it, indicating that it's been downloaded, but if I tap the three dots menu next to an individual track there is no option to remove that track, as there used to be. I can remove the whole album download and that's it. Am I missing something?
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:06 (five years ago) link
Can you make a playlist of just the tracks you want and download THAT instead? Works for me.
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Thursday, 25 July 2019 02:38 (five years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/music/news/spotify-book-authors-interview-daniel-ek-steve-jobs-1203277715/
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:27 (five years ago) link
I'm always a little disappointed when I open this thread and people are complaining about functionality rather than their effect on music /the music industry.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 July 2019 03:41 (five years ago) link
After reading all of these complaints about the various Spotify interfaces, I'm forced to wonder: Anybody else using Daphile's "Spotty" plug-in? It's not perfect, but it's all business compared to the app and browser versions.
Daphile is a bit of a pain to massage into compliance, but once it works . . .
― Got the Human League in to Advise Me (FlappyPants), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link
And, Jordan, I buy expensive vinyl and cheap CD box sets. So fuck off.
― Got the Human League in to Advise Me (FlappyPants), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
Hey I use it too, I'm as guilty as anybody.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 26 July 2019 13:22 (five years ago) link
I use Spotty on Logitech Media Server... in addition to desktop and Android Spotify, which I've been lucky enough with. This is the first I'm hearing of "daphile".. what's the advantage over LMS?There are plenty of discussions on ilx about the state of the business/streaming. Do we need one specific to Spotify in that regard?
― maffew12, Friday, 26 July 2019 13:23 (five years ago) link
Nevermind.. just looked up Daphile, another repackaging of LMS. Cool. I've used piCorePlayer similarly. Right now since I've got a Windows server always on, it's just LMS on that.Definitely recommend some flavour of LMS to anyone who listens to much of anything at home, in more than one room and/or one computer.If anyone previously checked out the Spotify integration, it's slicker these days with Spotify Connect integration and all that.
― maffew12, Friday, 26 July 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link
I guess people use Tidal/Apple Music, but Spotify feels close to becoming a genericized trademark for streaming. Happy to move my complaints to another thread and leave this for Spotify minutiae though.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 26 July 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
I will fight proprietary eponyms until I fall over
― maffew12, Friday, 26 July 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link
I'd just like to randomly drop a complaint about how Spotify won't allow you to follow labels, and in some clients (iOS for sure) won't even search by label. I've always discovered new music by exploring catalogs of smaller curated labels. Maybe Spotify has some interest in diminishing the importance of the label? I'd much rather quickly build a playlist based on a label than what an algorithm things fits a mood. </old man rant>
― beard papa, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
Some labels have accounts that are worth following. Numero Group, notably.
― bendy, Friday, 26 July 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:41 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 26 July 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
i was able to roll back to an old version after they removed the search bar (lol thx dudes)
Search bar is back! back!! back!!! Bad idea was bad.
My Windows and Android clients both run very smoothly atm. But I do pretty much loathe the "always be tinkering" ethos they and seemingly everyone else have bought into the last decade or so.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 26 July 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
Maybe this is why you outsource GUI design? So you don't have to find things for the designers on staff to do all the time.
― DJI, Friday, 26 July 2019 21:42 (five years ago) link
Man, the new Frankie Rose single, "Back", that showed up in Release Radar is a big surprise. Wasn't expecting her to go in that direction.
― beard papa, Friday, 26 July 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
I saw that too, was sure it was a new song by Beck called Frankie Rose
― calstars, Friday, 26 July 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
ugh, very annoying, was excited for a second there
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 26 July 2019 23:10 (five years ago) link
Lol I got that too. I was hoping she’d go trap!
― DJI, Saturday, 27 July 2019 00:54 (five years ago) link
Label data, unfortunately, is extremely messy. It's just label names entered as text by the licensors, at the moment. So although we (Spotify) would like to be able to have label pages like we have artist pages, we're a long way from being able to do that coherently...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 27 July 2019 02:58 (five years ago) link
I'd just like to randomly drop a complaint about how Spotify won't allow you to follow labels, and in some clients (iOS for sure) won't even search by label.
I agree that label related features are generally bad, and would very much like label specific pages etc., but as far as I can tell, searches still work. for example, label:"posh isolation" year:2019 gets me what I would expect across all clients that I've tried.
― fffv, Saturday, 27 July 2019 03:01 (five years ago) link
I agree that label related features are generally bad, and would very much like label specific pages etc., but as far as I can tell, searches still work. for example, /label:"posh isolation" year:2019/ gets me what I would expect across all clients that I've tried.
― beard papa, Saturday, 27 July 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link
Am noticing a fair bit of playlist degradation, with tracks no longer available to play, even though the albums are. Do albums get removed and re-added, and if so is any effort made to re-synch with tracks that were previously added to playlists?
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:09 (five years ago) link
In fact it looks like 90% of the songs on playlists I transferred from itunes a few years ago, using an automated service on the web, are no longer available :(
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:58 (five years ago) link
Noticed this as well, older lists built with a lot of Local Files of music that is clearly available in the spotify library are mostly not recognized anymore.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:51 (five years ago) link
WHY THE FUCK DO THE CONSTANTLY CHANGE THIS APP FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
local files wish ye was heyah
― calstars, Friday, 2 August 2019 01:20 (five years ago) link
Local Files is pretty decent these days all in all (finding stuff you add there instantly) as long as you don't care about wanting to update track metadata within the app (which I still do in MediaMonkey now and then as that had the best approach for this I've ever encountered).
Going between phone and desktop apps though and I keep having to manually clear the playlist queue on the phone only for it to keep coming back - this seems worse than ever lately and keeps catching me out as I forget there had previously been a queue (rightly, having removed each track from it manually on the phone app already) so really jarring when you expect the next track in a playlist or on an album instead. There isn't even a 'Clear entire Queue' option to at least do this with one click or touch.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 09:23 (five years ago) link
(finding stuff you add there instantly)
if only
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:21 (five years ago) link
One very annoying thing about Spotify is the way it treats EPs. They are listed with the artist’s singles - which is fine in itself if you’re not going to make a separate section for them. The problem is that instead of being listed chronologically along with those singles EPs are relegated all the way to the bottom of the singles listing. So if someone has released, say, 25 singles since 2012, you’d have to remind yourself to look below all of those for that new EP they might have released this year. It’s completely counterintuitive.(I’m talking mobile here, the desktop version is pretty much unusable anyway, as others have mentioned)
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
I should've added 'once you search for it' there true
― nashwan, Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
One very annoying thing about Spotify is the way it treats EPs. They are listed with the artist’s singles - which is fine in itself if you’re not going to make a separate section for them. The problem is that instead of being listed chronologically along with those singles EPs are relegated all the way to the bottom of the singles listing. So if someone has released, say, 25 singles since 2012, you’d have to remind yourself to look below all of those for that new EP they might have released this year. It’s completely counterintuitive.
do you have an example of this? everything I've seen has all of the singles and EPs grouped together in descending release date order. for example, here what I got from the Carla Dal Forno artist page:
Name: Took A Long TimeRelease Date: 2019-07-24Number of Tracks: 1Name: So Much BetterRelease Date: 2019-04-16Number of Tracks: 2Name: Top Of The PopsRelease Date: 2018-10-12Number of Tracks: 6Name: The GardenRelease Date: 2017-10-06Number of Tracks: 4Name: What You Gonna Do Now?Release Date: 2016-08-03Number of Tracks: 1Name: Fast Moving CarsRelease Date: 2016-04-29Number of Tracks: 2
Name: So Much BetterRelease Date: 2019-04-16Number of Tracks: 2
Name: Top Of The PopsRelease Date: 2018-10-12Number of Tracks: 6
Name: The GardenRelease Date: 2017-10-06Number of Tracks: 4
Name: What You Gonna Do Now?Release Date: 2016-08-03Number of Tracks: 1
Name: Fast Moving CarsRelease Date: 2016-04-29Number of Tracks: 2
― fffv, Monday, 19 August 2019 15:11 (five years ago) link
this is also the way they come back from the API. as a heavy Spotify user, I'm not saying that there aren't things that drive me crazy about the UI, but I also see stuff in this thread that doesn't make sense.
― fffv, Monday, 19 August 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
See, with me it’s different.In descending order:Took A Long Time (2019) (isolated above the Albums section, as Latest Release)So Much Better (2019)What You Gonna Do Now (2016)Fast Moving Cars (2016)Top Of The Pops (2018)The Garden (2017)(with the last two being EPs)You are talking about the mobile version, right?
― breastcrawl, Monday, 19 August 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
Another strange thing my Spotify is doing, it plays every song three times in a row.
― breastcrawl, Monday, 19 August 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link
seems to have spread to yr posting
― Mordy, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
as I jokingly tried to acknowledge
― breastcrawl, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
The order I gave is what I see on desktop, web, and Android. I guess I can check it on iOS when I get home from work to see if it's the same.
When you request artist albums from the API, there's an album_type parameter that lets you pass one of the following: 'album', 'single', or 'compilation'. there is also an album_group parameter that includes 'album', 'single', 'compilation', and 'appears_on'. I assume this is why singles and EPs are grouped together. If the request doesn't specify album, single, or compilation, you get everything back grouped in that order, with each group in descending release date order.
Anyway, strictly from the perspective of the API, I don't see a way I could treat EPs and singles differently even if I wanted to. Maybe I could add logic based on the number of tracks. I can't see anyone doing that deliberately in the Spotify UI, but who knows.
With that said, the amount I have played around with the Spotify API is pretty limited. I mostly use it as a relatively easy way to grab data about something I am interested in so I can then do other stuff.
― fffv, Monday, 19 August 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
So it looks iOS (which I have) is the outlier here, for whatever reason. If you’re grouping singles and EPs together, that’s fine, but please order them chronologically.
― breastcrawl, Monday, 19 August 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
"Epic collection, friend. There's no more room in your library. To save more, you'll need to remove some songs or albums." I know there are so many things happening in the world that I should be more angry about, but literally nothing makes my blood boil as much as seeing this message pop up on Spotify.
― J. Sam, Monday, 19 August 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
just grabbed my iPad and on there I am getting the same weird order of singles and EPs, so we can confirm that it is an iOS issue and I don't know why (or how) they would do this. my guess is that it was an attempt to put singles and EPs in their own groups that they never finished and then just released anyway.
― fffv, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 03:21 (five years ago) link
Why would Spotify get rid of the mini-player widget for Android? I have a low-end phone and mostly used/accessed the app direct from my homescreen with this. A few days ago, it was just gone. Spotify no longer in the list of apps with widgets. It was buggy to be sure but can't understand the removal of a way to make accessing the program easier?!?
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
i would try and confirm this but i have no idea and cannot discover how to get widgets on my home screen, despite having done it before.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Seeing this thread devolve into nothing but complaints about Spotify is becoming something like porn to me
Buy records, you freeloaders
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
xp Try a "long-press" on an empty area of the homescreen?
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
bingo! and yep, no spotify widget.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
I guess the 'hide this song' (in radio stations) is broken on the OS X app?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 23 August 2019 01:55 (five years ago) link
The Epic Collection problem can be solved by offloading to playlists, I think
― TS: “8:05” vs. “905” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 August 2019 02:05 (five years ago) link
Every time I come back to Spotify the next song in the queue "I Specialize in Love" by Sharon Brown. Whether I close the application and reopen, or just leave it open and idle for a while. I like to think it's my computer's favourite song.
― britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 11:57 (five years ago) link
Looks like the Android widget is returning (due to popular demand): https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Android-Android-Widget/idi-p/4802473/page/137
― One more cup of yogurt for the road (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:18 (five years ago) link
That's cool, I had completely forgotten about that widget
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:49 (five years ago) link
hi all, i'm not much of a spotify user, much less expert. anyway, i'm wondering if it's possible to somehow sort artists by monthly listeners and geography so that i can see a list of the top listened-to artists in, say, Chicago.
is that possible? or is that an "email Spotify's publicist" kind of thing
― alpine static, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 22:54 (five years ago) link
there are charts by country but that's just one chart for all of the US
― britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
There aren't city charts, but http://everynoise.com/everyplace.cgi has generated playlists of the most distinctively popular music in particular cities. And on the About tab for individual artists you can see their top cities...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link
thanks, y'all
― alpine static, Thursday, 12 September 2019 22:58 (five years ago) link
There's this as well: https://spotifymaps.github.io/musicalcities/
― nate woolls, Thursday, 12 September 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link
(that map and Every Place at Once are the same data...)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 13 September 2019 01:14 (five years ago) link
glenn, is everynoise.com/everyplace topped by Mexico City because they have a greater number of distinctively popular tunes than the rest? What is the metric for that initial ranking of cities?
So many times I'm listening to some obscure garage or art rock nugget, and when I look to see "Where people listen" it's quite often Mexico City. I can't tell if it's because the city is especially diverse in their listening, or if it's just cause it's really big with a lot of Spotify penetration.
― bendy, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
It's party because they have distinctive tastes, relatively speaking, but also our third-party geocoding treats Mexico City as one giant single place, where it breaks NYC up into boroughs, for example. So Mexico City does end up being the city label with the largest number of Spotify users by a sizable margin, at least at the moment.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
I've argued that the "Where People Listen" thing should be done proportionally, for this reason, but have yet to convince the right people that this would be better than counts, overall. Counts are admittedly easier to understand.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
So that initial list is ranked by total number of Spotify users in that place? Los Angeles being treated as a single place too, so more listeners than NY, NY. I take it London must be geocoded like the greater NYC area?
― bendy, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
putting this here for Glen:
Worth noting that almost all of Fahey’s Spotify catalogue has fucked up audio that sounds like it’s partly underwater. ― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:56 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
these are weird comps with like corel 1998 clip art for covers. they applied some strange panning and reverb also, and some of them aren't even albums. one has studio outtakes i haven't heard anywhere else. not sure what bizarre publishing/licensing shenanigans went into those ending up there― global tetrahedron, Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:07 AM
― sleeve, Saturday, 14 September 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
Have you seen T. Rex on Spotify? There are more sketchy, barely listenable live albums and comps then there are legitimate releases and they still don't have any of the acoustic albums up.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:27 (five years ago) link
there used to be a ton of weird Steely Dan comps, but they seem to have mostly vanished
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:45 (five years ago) link
Not sure if this has been mentioned but two very annoying things seem to be happening with my Spotify lately:
- It's completely reorganised the order of my playlists, and I have a LOT of playlists - When I go to type something in the search box, sometimes it types backwards!
― frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:30 (five years ago) link
yeah, on my device the playlists are now in the order of most recently played rather than most recently created
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:33 (five years ago) link
The typing backwards thing has been a hassle for me for what feels like a year
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
big fan of erhcetua
― frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
Don’t think I’ve ever experienced the backwards typing situation, but as for the playlist ordering thing: Spotify sometimes messes with that in an update, to my initial dismay as well. HOWEVER, as it turns out, there are actually several different playlist sorting modes available to you, and you can select which one works best for you (in a given situation) by using the filter function above the playlist, next to the Search in playlist function.
It’s actually the same set-up within playlists (search + filter). It’s actually very cool and practical, but Spotify makes it very easy to overlook these functions.
https://support.spotify.com/uk/article/sorting-and-filtering/
― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
Someone should coin a term to describe the irrational irritation one gets when an algorithm gets them SO wrong. Like, I listen to a lot of metal on Spotify, and the band "Midnight" is a band I've listened to a few times - and I get that "Midnight" is a pretty generic word for a band, but with all of the information that I've been giving them about me for the last however-many-years that I've used it; what would make them think I'd want to listen to this atrocity that just popped up on my New Release Radar a few minutes ago?
― beard papa, Friday, 20 September 2019 22:30 (five years ago) link
Was it “the midnight” the synth wave band?
― calstars, Friday, 20 September 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
No, it was some collaboration between two very bad rappers that sounded like it was recorded in the iOS voice memo app. The other rapper's name is very distinct so decided not to use it to avoid any potential hurt feelings while Googling himself.
― beard papa, Friday, 20 September 2019 23:21 (five years ago) link
it's actually very cool and practical
― maffew12, Saturday, 21 September 2019 01:45 (five years ago) link
The tricky thing about new releases is that we don't have much data for them until after people start listening. Labels can use unique identifiers for their artists, but they don't have to, and indie distributors generally don't, thus a new release by "Midnight" gets assigned to one of the artists called "Midnight" by an earnest automatic process that isn't always right. So it's not that we don't know enough about you to know that you wouldn't like this hip hop Midnight, it's that the systems haven't figured out this track is hip hop and not metal until after we've already put it on your Release Radar...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:52 (five years ago) link
The android app no longer let's you add a whole album to a playlist. The option seems to be completely missing. I have to assume this wasn't intentional and it's coming back.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 28 September 2019 13:39 (five years ago) link
Glenn, thanks for that info. I don’t have any comments about it, other than that it’s an interesting problem. Must be fun to work on the back end stuff there.
― beard papa, Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
"The android app no longer let's you add a whole album to a playlist. The option seems to be completely missing. I have to assume this wasn't intentional and it's coming back "
I actually had a chat with one of the the support team members about that this morning and seems and they were completely unaware of it (at least that's what I was told,doubt it), and promised to send it to the developers as it does seem to be an oversight. I did preface the conversation stating the importance of being able to add complete albums to a playlist since best of year and best of decade playlists are on the horizon.
― aguzman1990, Saturday, 28 September 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
I've been infuriated by Spotify twice today on separate platforms. 1) iOS. I went for a run, and pressed play on my run playlist. After the first song, it starts playing something I had queued up last night. I had to stop running, take off the arm band, take the phone out, unlock the stupid screen, go to the playlist and click on the second song: Thinking that it would dump the queue and play the playlist. I start running again, and ten minutes later the song ends and it goes right back to the fucking queue. I stopped, took out the phone, this time restarted the app, thinking it might clear the queue (I feel like this has worked before, but it certain did not this time. I finally just gave up. I had too many songs queued up to sit there and select and remove each song in the middle of the running track. I ended up just manually skipping by double-tapping my bluetooth thing. I can't for the life of me understand why there isn't a simple "clear queue" function in this app. It's not the first time I've been infuriated by the stupid queue system.
2) Web app (Chrome). Just now, I alt+tabbed from a video game and typed in spotify.com in my browser, logged in, and was taken to some marketing page. No landing page, no link to my own listen page. Tried listen.spotify.com, www.spotify.com/listen... 404s. How is there now a big fucking "LISTEN" link on this landing page? I guess the obvious answer for how shitty the web app is, is that they do not want people to use the web app and instead to download and install their terrible desktop app.
― beard papa, Monday, 30 September 2019 05:33 (five years ago) link
The android app no longer let's you add a whole album to a playlist. The option seems to be completely missing. I have to assume this wasn't intentional and it's coming back
This may be related somehow to the other infuriating change to the Android app whereby it's no longer possible to select individual songs from an album for downloading. It's the whole album or nothing.
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Monday, 30 September 2019 07:01 (five years ago) link
I've never seen an app get so consistently slower, less functional and more prone to freezing or failing to load, it's appalling now, so much worse than 2010
― ogmor, Monday, 30 September 2019 08:07 (five years ago) link
It is amazing that with a more than twenty year history of music player UI’s on phones and tons of accumulated experience of what functionality works and doesnt work to build on, they still keep fucking up their front end over and over again as if they’re the proverbial blind men with a description of an elephant.
― Siegbran, Monday, 30 September 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
a more than twenty year history of music player UI’s on phones
tbf every second of that time apart from the ipod clickwheel pretty much sucked
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 September 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
While streaming something just now I got an ad repeatedly from the RNC asking me to speak out against the "Democratic impeachment overreach."
Wouldn't artists and labels working with Spotify want to know that their albums were being interrupted with pro-Trump advertisements? I would think a lot of them might have an issue with that.
Hey @Spotify --- Fuck you for taking these ads. pic.twitter.com/hpY1MYO7SM— Brian O'Neill (@NYC__Native) October 3, 2019
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 3 October 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
it’s funny.. as a premium subscriber I would have never known. Tempted to drop the sub in protest.
― beard papa, Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
What would cause half of Underworld's catalog to go missing on Spotify?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
which half, in which territory?
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
huh, just checked (in Canada) and almost all their albums are gone, the only albums after dubnobasswithmyheadman are Everything, Everything and Barbara Barbara. All the Drift Eps are still there.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Too many new releases, they broke Spotify!I'm in Canada, seeing the same
― maffew12, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link
In UK and all the studio albums between Second Toughest and Barking have gone.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
weird inconsistency
given the Drift releasing non-patterns it wld be really cool of them to pull six of their old albums for a few months to drive ppl toward the six new albums they're releasing in November, but this looks more like a fluke of licensing deals expiring?
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
back nowcan't imagine that was intentional... but who knows, given how there's something technically different with seemingly every week of the Drift releases
― maffew12, Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:38 (five years ago) link
yeah I'm seeing everything (everything), abysmal deluxe version track titling and all
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:49 (five years ago) link
oh wait yes it's all unplayable
Despicable. TREASON?
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:55 (five years ago) link
working for me. Listening to Beaucoup Fish as I type this.
― silverfish, Thursday, 10 October 2019 13:30 (five years ago) link
"New" Scott Walker and The The tracks very much not by who you'd expect
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
and a new track by The Smiths (but not by The Smiths) came up in my Release Radar today. I thought there used to be a way to report mislabelled tracks?
― nate woolls, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
indeed, about bullfighting; i'm sure Morrissey's delighted.
― fetter, Friday, 11 October 2019 09:21 (five years ago) link
The option to add an album to a playlist has returned on the android app
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 October 2019 09:29 (five years ago) link
it wld be really cool of them to pull six of their old albums for a few months to drive ppl toward the six new albums they're releasing in November
surprised that labels haven't pulled this shit before tbh
― groovemaaan, Friday, 11 October 2019 09:38 (five years ago) link
eheh yeah that Smiths "new release" is fun : but do artists get paid if everybody stops listening after 5secs ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:47 (five years ago) link
artists don't get paid regardless, it's Spotify
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 11 October 2019 12:43 (five years ago) link
touché !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 11 October 2019 13:00 (five years ago) link
Reluctant as I am to add to the litany of complaints on this thread, why are all the tracks I play pausing briefly after the first nine seconds?
― The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 11 October 2019 14:00 (five years ago) link
It was actually completely down for me yesterday, I found this page https://downdetector.com/status/spotify/ which had other commenters complaining about the nine second thing.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 11 October 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
There was a giant delivery of old 45s this week that had a bunch of artists with the same names as much newer ones, The Smiths among them. We're on it.
Snarkiness notwithstanding, you don't get paid unless the listener plays at least 30 seconds of the song.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 13 October 2019 01:25 (five years ago) link
Wait, Spotify rips vinyl themselves?
― brimstead, Sunday, 13 October 2019 01:29 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFkGEi0Et08
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 13 October 2019 05:23 (five years ago) link
Ha, no, "delivery" meaning "upload of music". Although I wouldn't bet that nobody has ever mailed a box of vinyl to our offices, I can say with pretty high confidence that we do no ripping of anything ever.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
Anyone got an idea why most of the DM catalog is displayed in greyscale right now?
https://i.imgur.com/mpZ5Vev.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 05:00 (five years ago) link
^ browser version, btw.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 05:01 (five years ago) link
Doesn't that mean not available, but it's showing because you've told it to display non-available tracks?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 07:18 (five years ago) link
No, they play as normal.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 11:35 (five years ago) link
That's weird. I'll see if I can find out why it is...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
Seems to be the work of the band (or label), not a bug, but I don't know why. A little searching turned up a bunch of reddit threads of speculation about it, but no answers.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was informed it was like this on all platforms.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
There is a problem on the spotify android app with many artists pages displaying just a shuffle button. This has been mentioned by other premium users on twitter.
― djmartian, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:04 (five years ago) link
Someone probably mentioned this already but it would be really great if when adding a song to a playlist it brought up the last playlist you added to? Sort of like saving a file on a pc .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link
lol my bad there is an option. don’t know if it was always there but cool
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
actually no it just filters the last playlist added not the last playlist you added something to
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link
Did you try the Relevance filter?
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link
I've been waiting for this for years: https://gizmodo.com/spotify-is-testing-a-new-social-feature-that-could-add-1840533060
― DJI, Thursday, 19 December 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
Here's a legit non-existential issue I have with Spotify -- my artwork for my most recent album disappeared. It's bizarre. Still there on other services, so presumably doesn't have anything to do with distro.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:06 (five years ago) link
i have been screaming for user tastemakers since spotify started; where's my check
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link
I've hung on to my $5/month Spotify Unlimited acct for years, never "upgraded" to Premium. At some point I put the Spotify app on my phone; I don't remember why, since Unlimited is supposed to be desktop-only. But I used the app yesterday to see if I could look stuff up on it even if I couldn't play it, and discovered that I can now use the phone app for playback! I don't know if it's an app bug, account bug or account upgrade, but it's pretty nice. (Glenn, if it's an account bug, don't rat me out.)
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:35 (four years ago) link
Ha, I see the codes for those old accounts in queries sometimes. You've probably outlived the special-cases in the code that were intended to restrict them...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link
victory through attrition
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
The only thing I'm OCD about in the world is music metadata, so it's a bummer when a reissue gets the year of the reissue rather than then original year. It's sorta understandable if it's remaster, but this is the same Recloose LP that was released in 2002.
― lukas, Thursday, 30 January 2020 23:26 (four years ago) link
drives me crazy when it's the reissue year and not the original.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 31 January 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
This morning we announced that @spotify is acquiring The Ringer. Couldn’t be more excited to work with @eldsjal and his phenomenal team.More details to come down the road... but @ringer will remain @ringer in every respect. They appreciate what we do and they want us to be us.— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) February 5, 2020
― Mordy, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
glenn, can you make the track titles on Selected Ambient Works II show up as the little pie charts? thanks
― lukas, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
I have a collaborative playlist with a couple of friends but I can't add to it from the browser version, and it's quite difficult to add even on the phone app, though doable, in a reeeeal make shift way. I know it's because it's someone else's playlist but given he's made it editable, and I follow it, it would be very cool if I could add things to it easier.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
I'm not kvetching 'cause I love this thing really but I don't really get how after two or three weeks of listening to Vangelis, Jarre, TD etc, Discovery can recommend me Emmylou Harris and Buffy Sainte-Marie.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
Discover Weekly uses six months of your listening history...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
Ok, that's good to know, though I've definitely had it respond faster than that before. Still not sure who's been listening to country on my account!
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
Ah, maybe the 6 months thing explains why DW sometimes gives me tracks I've listened to many times before (a while ago).
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
I do feel that it's often surprisingly cohesive as a playlist: eg one week it'll be very heavy on a particular genre. Which would make sense, but it may be an artifact of my pattern-sensing brain.
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
i've basically stopped listening to DW because it's been like >50% repeats for over a year now
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
just listen to daily mixes at least there's songs on those i know i'll like
Can’t believe they haven’t got around to offering a lossless option, sure there’d be a demand for it.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
my DW is usually good about not repeating tracks from previous DWs (more so now than in the past)
my Daily Mixes are reliably listenable, though one is interestingly garbled these days with random audiobook tracks from a huge "Horror Classic Collection" I liked ... I just unliked that anthology to see if the mix will straighten itself out
my main complaint these days is the way the Discover feature has gotten buried in the iOS app ... it used to be accessible from the footer menu, then it got moved to an item on the Search page, and now it seems to be drifting farther below the fold there ... Discover is the 10th item on my search page (not counting the search field itself) and the only one I use regularly
― Brad C., Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
Mundane spotify UX issue #2354728:
How to explain this latest minor irritation? You know the three dots to the left of the track title - the dots that lead to a menu for "add to playlist," "view album" etc. Well, either my thumbs have gotten fatter or something changed behind the scenes in the app, because now, half the time I try to press that button, I wind up just pressing play on the track, or starting the track over. This is killing my vibe man.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
Discover is the 10th item on my search page (not counting the search field itself) and the only one I use regularlyyou know you can add it to your playlists though.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
I think we're talking about two different things ... I'm talking about the Discover feature, not the Discover Weekly playlist
good idea though to follow Discover Weekly, I have done that
― Brad C., Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
Ha ok i've never actually seen this Discover thing before, looks great!
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
Me nether!
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
probably half my time on Spotify is spent checking out Discover recommendations, I've found a lot of amazing albums and artists that way
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:38 (four years ago) link
Why is it that when I'm playing a playlist or my liked songs, I can go into the play queue and sometimes the songs have the three horizontal lines so I can rearrange the running order and other times the lines aren't there?
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 05:24 (four years ago) link
seriously, what's the deal with the backward input constantly occurring when i use the search bar?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 07:01 (four years ago) link
^^^Related to this--75% of the time it will search for the last thing I searched for while ignoring what is currently entered.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:41 (four years ago) link
ooh me nethers. fyi if you use the desktop app it's the discover tab in the browse section.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link
Anyone else get one of those "You're one of [band x's] top fans worldwide. You're one of their top 1% of fans." messages"? The band I got it for is extremely popular and it doesn't make much sense that Spotify would clock me as one of their top 1% of fans.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
I got one for Big Thief
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
"top 2% of Miles Davis fans"
not sure what these messages are supposed to achieve but w/e
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:47 (four years ago) link
never
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
I got 'top 1%' one for Dylan. It seems to be a sell to get you to sign up for the artist radio.
― Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
I got top 1% Cure fan with a link to listen to them even more which turned out to be an "artist radio" playlist full of Smiths and New Order songs
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
i don’t know about you guys but i 5-starred the Dylan catalogue years ago.. i remember New Morning being particularly tough. had to respawn a lot iirc
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
I got one for the Beatles, but I think it must be counting Podcasts as well, because I binged two or three different Beatles related podcasts in the last few months, but haven't played as much Beatles music compared to like Echo and the Bunnymen or New Order.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
That reminds me: the worst thing about asking for a track by the Beatles on the Spotify Alexa skill is that it *without* fail plays instead a cover by 'x beatles tribute band' who presumably exist just to capitalise on such accidental plays. I have to resort to using Spotify Connect instead.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link
I mean, that's the only bad thing, but it's really bad.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
Half of the streams for "Sunflower" have to be from my son asking Alexa to play "Spiderman on Spotify"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link
I feel like I've asked this before but...why doesn't spotify provide users with their stats all the time, a la last.fm?― musically, Friday, December 9, 2016 12:01 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― musically, Friday, December 9, 2016 12:01 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
how is this still not a thing?
― Indexed, Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
My "top 1%" message was for Ariel Pink, which... I didn't really anticipate.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 28 February 2020 01:54 (four years ago) link
I got Chaka Khan
― brimstead, Friday, 28 February 2020 05:11 (four years ago) link
Top 1% for Rihanna, which I don't believe! I mean, I listen some, and my partner listens a lot, but it still seems like a limited number of minutes for her potential audience.
Totally know I'm in the top 1% for Sina Alam and Michael Dracula
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 28 February 2020 16:31 (four years ago) link
I'm in the top 2% of listeners of M83! Which is, sorta believable but I don't listen to them any more than other bands who have a decent smattering of stuff in my playlists. Perhaps I don't listen to enough of anyone to be in their top 1%, but tbh it seems like all these artists are on the Grammys radar, so it is probably not going to tell me about how I am the number one fan of Saariselka or something.
― Frobisher, Friday, 28 February 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
Ugh to all the thumbnails on playlists. Is there anyway to switch them off?
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 28 February 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link
They added thumbnails, and removed the text that tells you the name of the album. Not helpful.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 28 February 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
I doubt I'm in the top 2% of King Crimson listeners, especially since I have their discography on my Plex server at home.
― beard papa, Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
I think it would be great if you could subscribe to the Release Radar playlists of celebrities. Talk about vertically-integrating the influence chain.
― DJI, Saturday, 29 February 2020 03:25 (four years ago) link
I don’t like the ui of the new iOS app. Very weird to have two sets of play controls so close together. Hate the new home view.
― beard papa, Sunday, 1 March 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
I really like the thumbnails in Playlists but don't really understand the point when in Album view?
― Indexed, Monday, 2 March 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
Anyone finding on the desktop app's Recently Played block it's listing stuff you did not listen to (in my case Slade's 'Merry Xmas Everybody') or if you did it was not at all recent enough for you to remember (or corroborate with last.fm)?
― nashwan, Monday, 2 March 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
Check you don’t have a squatter in your account on another device - when that happened to me that was the cause.
― stet, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link
they took out the goddamn album art window???
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link
(lol -- great handle, brad)
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, March 2, 2020 bookmarkflaglink
disaster
― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
If you're seeing less album art, rather than more, something is probably wrong. Maybe restart?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
I don't understand why there isn't a single music player that has a good "let me zoom in on the art without distraction" UI, not even as a modal dialog.
― lukas, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link
Glen: is the backward search text in the desktop app a known bug? It’s driving me crazy.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link
I've heard of it happening to people, but I can't find any information about it, sorry...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 02:37 (four years ago) link
WHAT is this giant green play button suddenly sitting at the top of my playlist, and why does it insist I shuffle my carefully ordered mix?
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link
Ugh and the edit function is now minimized and not sticky. These are very irritating changes
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:05 (four years ago) link
i rolled back my app to an earlier version and set it to never auto update after they removed my search bar a year or two ago,.. it seems like most updates tamper frivolously with essential features?? Lol
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:18 (four years ago) link
You guys need to give Tidal a shot, lol
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 06:04 (four years ago) link
some really classy distribution by blooming jazz records
https://i.imgur.com/nd52dEU.png
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link
the shittiest company
https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1234862578830102536/photo/2
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
When underpaying artists for their labor isn’t enough to keep your company going pic.twitter.com/kaSIUUL8gB— Jabroni And The Air-rifle (@DanBoeckner) March 3, 2020
How is that not payola?
― DJI, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
Buying ads is not payola.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 21:35 (four years ago) link
You never got coverage in music mags if your label didn't advertise in it
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link
music mags didn't make money off of distributing your music
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (four years ago) link
So it’s like Tower Records (R.I.P.) soliciting labels to place ads in Pulse! magazine.
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link
no, it's like if Revolver Distribution had a publication of its own and in order to get distribution you had to buy ads in their publication. It's absolutely payola.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link
How is Spotify equivalent to Revolver Distribution here?
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
how are they similar to a magazine?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
Spotify is closer to being a distributor than they are to being a publication
They’re closer to being one record store of many on the same digital “block,” no?It also kind of sounds like studios having to pay theaters to run movie trailers.
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:47 (four years ago) link
(My analogy wasn’t that they’re similar to a magazine, it was that they’re similar to Tower Records.)
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
I suppose. Spotify has, what, 30% of the streaming market?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link
lol I forgot that Tower owned Pulse, sorry about that
I suppose one big difference is that Tower Records was actually a profitable business once haha
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link
Now, if they were soliciting payment to place songs on curated playlists, feature certain artists on “hero” images, etc., I agree that would seem shady. Do they do that?
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
why would they ever admit that they do
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link
I don’t know, but presumably someone would find out and write an article about it
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link
Why would you pay to advertise if it didn't get you onto the only place you can make money? I would be less skeptical of this scheme if Spotify hadn't done everything they could over the last few years to jam themselves in-between artists and listeners and push listeners into listening exclusively to Spotify-created (whether curated or algorithmic) playlists.
I feel like the streaming services should be treated as a common carrier and allow anyone to build value-added services on top of them. At this point, all the vertical integration is pretty clearly NOT A GOOD THING.
― DJI, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link
presumably someone would find out and write an article about it
this already happened years ago fyi
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
here let me google that for you etc
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6670475/playola-promotion-streaming-services
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/19/spotify-sponsored-content/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHzL2RJZd1tc1VAHw9WAwL0Uuiwvkcc9Ibyltq2zlFaE6wiY_BjbjYPC4AS3Pm8NLP3ePY3HMbpeFCCdyc-q59S9snQpeGbVhsbBov4QFXxNXzYHFVrCIxL89toWXi3qAhRjAZHJ2H5xAXWETQW376MUXHtgktwFuCOLCN001WlV
and it's (of course) a game of whack-a-mole - every time something like this draws attention/bad press they back away from it, and then move on to the next payola scheme
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
Thanks — the first article is subscriber-only, and the second seems to be about a test of something similar to what I was talking about, but maybe marked as “Sponsored”? (though I genuinely appreciate you Googling it for me)
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link
The rising value of Spotify playlists has spurred a new form of payola—the decades-old illegal practice of paying for a song to be broadcast on the radio—with massive amounts of money changing hands behind the scenes. An August 2015 exposé by Billboard quoted an unnamed major-label executive who claimed playlist adds were being sold for “$2,000 for a playlist with tens of thousands of fans to $10,000 for the more well-followed playlists.”
https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/spotify-playlist-black-market/
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:26 (four years ago) link
https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2018/03/spotify-cuts-off-playlist-payola-service-spotlister.html
Ah, that sounds like more like what I was talkin about!
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link
so they were doing it (blatantly), it leaked to Billboard, they stopped doing it, and now they've moved on to some slightly more convoluted scenario (because they still aren't making money)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHzL2RJZd1tc1VAHw9WAwL0Uuiwvkcc9Ibyltq2zlFaE6wiY_BjbjYPC4AS3Pm8NLP3ePY3HMbpeFCCdyc-q59S9snQpeGbVhsbBov4QFXxNXzYHFVrCIxL89toWXi3qAhRjAZHJ2H5xAXWETQW376MUXHtgktwFuCOLCN001WlV
makes u think
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
really wish the big green shuffle button on iOS would go away.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 02:04 (four years ago) link
All those payola articles are about non-Spotify services selling placement on THEIR playlists, which has always been against the Spotify terms of use. Buying a marquee ad doesn't get you on Spotify-owned playlists, it just gets you the marquee ad. You can definitely argue about whether selling marquee ads is good or bad or fair or unfair, but it's not payola.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 02:25 (four years ago) link
Huh, sounds like 3rd-parties are monetizing the “value-added services” being requested above, how about that(!)
― tamagotchi revival artist (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
some high-priority major-label artists/songs are so aggressively featured on some of the big-name playlists (far beyond their apparent ability to actually draw streams) that i'd frankly be very surprised if there weren't some kind of back-scratching/arm-twisting going on, whether or not it technically violates 'terms of use'
― dyl, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 04:20 (four years ago) link
if there were something like payola, it'd probably sneak in through some bias in the algorithms. A similar sort of bias could also exist within the thinking of a popular radio DJ, though, and it wouldn't be labeled as payola. payola is ultimately a bit meaningless on a platform where you can just choose music yourself anyway.
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 04:59 (four years ago) link
Every time this thread gets bumped I just want to say “yes I have heard of it” but I’ve resisted until nowBut yes I’ve heard of it
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 05:03 (four years ago) link
but have you heard that they've actually reported positive earnings in some quarters?
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 05:11 (four years ago) link
― DJI, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 05:21 (four years ago) link
but... you can't pay to be featured on those lists
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 09:28 (four years ago) link
Latest entitled whinge: no one is currently getting 0.0009p from me per play because the web player is an absolute mess: frequently won't load at all, skips songs, the CSS is often all over the place.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link
xxp corrs otm, but I also think it matters that radio existed on a limited and regulated spectrum as a source of music discovery that a very different cost than the alternative at the time, buying so many records. these playlists and the freedom to discover new music oneself exist on the same platform at the same cost to the listener. any preference for the playlist is just laziness or favoring music-as-event over music itself on the part of the listener.
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
Sure, I guess, but the Spotify UX seems to be actively herding people toward music-as-event ("Chill" being the most popular event, apparently) listening, rewarding the artists who embrace that model, and selling advertising with at least the implicit idea that advertising will increase artists' "exposure." In this model, what other exposure is there that is worth a damn other than placement on high-traffic playlists?
― DJI, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
I seem to receive emails and push notifications whenever big thief does anything. I've always assumed that their label pays for it.
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 23:23 (four years ago) link
What is the/is there even a distinction between "liking" a song and adding it to your library?
I'm going through my Liked Songs playlist and it seems that before June of last year I have entire albums worth of songs in my Liked Songs (albums I presumably meant to add to my library), but after that I see mostly one off songs. Did Spotify change this last year? If I remove all the liked songs will it also remove them from my library?
― musically, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
I just figured this out this morning. My phone app (Android) taking forever to load my saved albums led me to toss most of them into playlists and remove from "Albums"... it worked. But what I think was even more helpful was emptying out "liked songs".At some point in the fall, liking albums stopped having all the songs from those albums automatically go to liked songs. So this list has just been static for me since that point anyways (I only ever add single tracks to playlists).I'm not sure when the Albums list started having recommended albums on the bottom of it, but it seems this is done just by analyzing your Liked Songs. Since I've emptied that, there are no recommended albums on the bottom, which probably helps the loading too.I've never hit the library limit fwiw. Not sure why that is a big deal for a lot of people... you can have unlimited playlists, right?
― maffew12, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
right I guess it was June
― maffew12, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
The issue for me with the library limit was that I THOUGHT I was clearing out my albums and moving them to playlists efficiently, but I would still consistently get the error message when liking just one song. Taking a weedwhacker to my liked songs explained some of that...I had 9300 tracks in there.
Note: removing liked songs from your liked playlist does not seem to affect your albums
Note 2: if you have 9300 liked songs and you try to remove them all at once you will explode your computer
― musically, Friday, 6 March 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
to be fair 9300 is a very big number. today's computers can only handle small number like 8 and 45.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 March 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link
haha. Whatever version of the Windows desktop client I was using, it only let me remove 100 songs at a time. Took a bit!But yeah, I reached the same conclusion, that liked/libraryfied Albums and Songs no longer have anything to do with each other.Using the Download toggle on Liked Songs used to be a handy way to sync your whole Library... now that I'm using the Library as like my current rotation, that would be handy. Might have to figure something out with a Smarter Playlists script.Bleh!
― maffew12, Friday, 6 March 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
Sorted out making one big playlist of Liked Songs + Albums (i.e., what 'liked songs' used to be) for easy device sync'ing.
http://smarterplaylists.playlistmachinery.com/importer.html?pid=11f60469a07b01116b477b82e3962bef
Run it on a schedule sync additions and deletions you make.
― maffew12, Friday, 6 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link
The album I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight doesn't appear under Richard & Linda Thompson, as it is credited to each of them as solo artists.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 March 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
I'll see if we can fix that from the Spotify side...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:09 (four years ago) link
if you have 9300 liked songs and you try to remove them all at once you will explode your computer
I don't even know how to remove songs from lists other than one at a time. So I have been doing the removals from Liked Songs in batches over time, i.e. until I get bored. About 1,000 still to go...
― Jeff W, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
On the desktop version you can Ctrl-A to select all, then Delete...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
― Jeff W, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
Having trouble following this. Since “liking” albums no longer results in all the songs on that album being “liked”, does that mean that there’s now a higher limit on the # of albums you can “like”?
― brimstead, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
lol still can't get rid of Slade in my Recently Played row, although it (being Merry Xmas Everybody) is the only thing there now.
not appearing in my last.fm stats so doesn't seem like an account hack - what gives?
― nashwan, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link
I was listening to some Orbital's brown album, and Lush 3-1 fades out, I can't even.
― Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link
Somehow a whole bunch of music i've never heard of is in my Liked Songs list. How does this happen?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
What’s up with this? https://open.spotify.com/track/5opiTFqPFWm7UbxSxHENPb?si=lpnoDCj8QlmORcWfAY-VBg
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 March 2020 01:31 (four years ago) link
weird crediting thing:
"murphy's law" by cheri, a duo consisting of rosalind hunt and either amy roslyn or lise (sometimes "lyn") cullerier depending on the song, and produced/written by geraldine hunt (rosalind's mother) and freddie james, is credited to:
Geraldine Hunt ft. Freddie James and Rosalind aka Cheri
this is because the song is only uploaded as part of a little-known compilation from 1999/2000 called Soultry, Jazzy & Sexy which is bizarrely credited that way.
cheri does actually have a spotify profile with an album "murphy's law" (released 12 years after the single on a different label), and it includes an instrumental version of the song as well as a longer remix, but not the single itself. the version with the weird credit is the one people actually listen to (over half a million listens compared to 2,500 for the remix) and it's the one that seems to show up on playlists (it showed up on my DW a long time ago).
stood out to me because it's the only song cheri is known for. geraldine hunt and freddie james both have their own solo profiles fwiw
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 13 March 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link
what the fuck james xp
oh nvm lol
i clicked your link and it showed up as "cheri" because i guess spotify browser takes a while to update
i'd had this cheri thing on my brain for like a year and just remembered to post about it today driving home
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 13 March 2020 02:01 (four years ago) link
lol i got that howlin wolf thing at some point as well. must be an ilxor.
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 March 2020 03:43 (four years ago) link
Lol xpost
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 March 2020 09:55 (four years ago) link
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, March 9, 2020 9:44 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, March 9, 2020 10:09 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
fixed. thanks glenn!
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:11 (four years ago) link
These compilations are THE BOMB, sadly I can't see who any of the artists are.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61JKOwjfRJL._SY355_.jpg
― Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link
did the spotify on the browser just get rid of the about and related artists tabs? That's a real loss
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 20 March 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link
I have an interesting question for Glenn McDonald and i don't mean to pester himI am a 6 year subscriber so i never feel like I want to pester himsomething is bugging me that is very interestingwhy is the track "H.I.V. Baby" by Soundgarden the ONE track that is unavailable and greyed outso weird. what could be up with that
If you look at their career retrospective "Echo of Miles"http://open.spotify.com/album/0Cpmgfv2YLtBN368ZbBxGY
it is the one track that is greyed out. I would be fascinated if Glenn McDonald has some intel or insight into thati don't mean to pester
― Chief Kyiv, Monday, 23 March 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link
and i guess my point of posting here is you know I could offer the question to Singapore support staff but that is of course useless
― Chief Kyiv, Monday, 23 March 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
I have 'blind dogs' also greyed out on the same compilation
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 23 March 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link
Harry Nilsson lives and he's making kind of boring electronica according to Release Radar this week:https://open.spotify.com/album/1NbsTlUFKmKHmIE2tXSisD?si=fkSrScKEQPOWMhf8jMtxmg
― Alba, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link
The labels control track availability, and sadly don't have to provide an explanation for why individual tracks aren't, so I have no way to know. Most likely it has to do with licensing peculiarities. "H.I.V. Baby" was originally a b-side on a Subpop single-of-the-month, right? So maybe there were different terms for that, and they've expired. Dunno.
I already noticed and reported that Nilsson thing, it should be fixed soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
Thanks as ever, Glenn.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
"HIV Baby" was also on the Born To Choose benefit album Ryko put out back in '93.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
Posts starting with I have an interesting question for Glenn McDonald and i don't mean to pester him should already be frowned upon. But when the third line is so i never feel like I want to pester him, you know you're just being pestered.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 08:31 (four years ago) link
Khala My Friend by Amanaz is a great, great song that I'm grateful to DW pushing my way once, but I think it's the fourth time now! Looks like the last compilation I had it liked from has dropped off Spotify so time to readd it again.
― Alba, Monday, 30 March 2020 14:32 (four years ago) link
I get that one regularly too.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link
Just got that pushed to me last week! Really good.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 30 March 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
the Amanaz album, Africa, is great
― Brad C., Monday, 30 March 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
Have recently reactivated my account after many, many years to listen to the fantastic playlists Test Pressing have been posting.
I'm on the free version and haven't heard a single advert yet. Haven't put any credit card info in but do you automatically get some sort of one month trial of the premium version or something?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 2 April 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link
Advertisers! I remember them.
― Alba, Thursday, 2 April 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link
The premium version isn't just ad-free. It also allows you to download tracks for listening offline and, I can't remember what else, maybe even stream whole albums. There's definitely stuff relating to playback that you can't do on the free version.
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:18 (four years ago) link
Afaict Spotify basic (no subscription) is still add-free if you use the web browser
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:29 (four years ago) link
Ah, that could be it. I'm listening via the desktop app
― groovypanda, Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:58 (four years ago) link
been kind of at a loss for what to play around the house. Test Press playlists hitting the spot. Thank you, gp
― maffew12, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:09 (four years ago) link
the first track on the Test Pressing "On The Beach" playlist briefly made me remember what happiness feels like, this shit is dangerous
― lukas, Friday, 3 April 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
Don't really understand the decision to prioritise 'did you mean...?' results over exact matches in the search. E.g. searching for SND returns Snoop Dogg, Snap, Sade and Snoh Aalegra - you have to click through to see the actual artist (more than one actually) called SND.
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
weird, I do that on my phone and it comes right up as the 1st result (the minimal techno group, that is)
― zoomer death circus (sleeve), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
hmm, not for me (in the first results screen that shows albums, artists, playlists, and songs).
also i suspect these are not all by the minimal techno group:
https://i.imgur.com/CbIvR3K.png
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
― zoomer death circus (sleeve), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
Short names are a constant source of pain. I'll ask to have that page cleaned up...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 16 April 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
It would also help to have an exact-match option, e.g. by surrounding quotes as in Google.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 16 April 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link
so do the royalties for all the SNDs go to the same SND?
― brimstead, Friday, 17 April 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
is there, like, something that differentiates them for royalty purposes that isn't carried over into the UI/search? or something?
― brimstead, Friday, 17 April 2020 00:07 (four years ago) link
Having barely listened to Spotify curated playlists before, I've played some over the last couple of days. It seems - at least on some throwaway 'alternative 80s or 90s' playlists - the volume isn't set to one and the same level. Is that correct, or is it my setup? Annoying to have to fiddle with it when every new song is louder/softer than the previous one tbf.
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 April 2020 09:05 (four years ago) link
There's a "normalise volume" option in the settings.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 17 April 2020 09:26 (four years ago) link
Ah, thanks!
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 April 2020 09:32 (four years ago) link
how well it works is another matter.
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Friday, 17 April 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link
actually maybe it works fine except through sonos :/
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Friday, 17 April 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link
... which is my setup :-/
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 April 2020 10:18 (four years ago) link
Royalties are paid to licensors, track by track, so the artist pages you see in the app are basically irrelevant for monetary purposes...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 17 April 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
yeah I figured. just wondering.
― brimstead, Friday, 17 April 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
I recall that discover weekly playlists used to have a feature that seemed specific to DW; as you were listening to the tracks, there was an icon opposite from the heart that let you choose "I don't like this song" or "I don't like this artist". if you selected it, it would then grey the track out in your DW playlist (and presumably help refine the recommendation algorithm). has that moved elsewhere or did spotify totally remove it?
― musically, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
I still have that feature, on both (Mac) desktop and iOS versions.
― Alba, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
Here's how it looks on iOShttps://i.imgur.com/nRo7GOk.jpg
― Alba, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
that's what mine used to look like...
― musically, Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/oZ4LmFK.jpg
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
Hey glenn - I've noticed the Spotify support on my Alexa devices has gotten worse and worse:
1. Trying to play a song by a band is near-impossible. Best case, I get one of those "This is xxxx" playlists started.2. When I tried to play a specific song by the Beatles the other day, Spotify (or maybe this is on the Alexa end?) just wouldn't let me do it - kept playing covers or other SEO SPAM. 3. When I do Spotify Connect on my Alexa devices, I lose the ability to skip tracks.
#3 is probably on the Amazon side (and I'll pursue it on my end), but the other two items seem like a mixture of NLU issues and SEO mitigation. Any ideas?
― DJI, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
spotify on google home loves to play weird versions of songs (demos, live versions, alternate takes) instead of the actual song. it happened two days ago, i asked for "near wild heaven" by REM and it played a demo version from the bonus tracks.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
I've never grasped how this happens. I sometimes get weird amateur Led Zep covers instead of the originals.
I assume each track has a unique DB entry. Maybe if that entry gets replaced it attempts to make a best guess at the correct new entry?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Alexa's preference for spammy cover bands over the real thing is a real problem but I'm not sure if the problem lies at Spotify's or Amazon's end. Playing the Beatles is pretty much impossible.
― Alba, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
I don't see how Alexa would change what spotify plays
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
Getting a This Is playlist for an artist is, I think, the intended behavior. Part of the reason we HAVE those playlists is to have a thing to play when we're asked for just an artist.
Not actually sure whether the Beatles issue is an Alexa issue or a Spotify one. It's often maddeningly complicated what happens when you ask Alexa for something. The query we end up getting on the Spotify end isn't always the same as what you say. But I'll pass along your report to the voice team, at least...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
I've gotten the This Is playlists a lot when asking for specific songs by an artist.
I'm not sure what the division of processing is on the voice input between Amazon and Spotify, but something seems broken lately.
― DJI, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
Oh, DJI: do you remember exactly what your Beatles request was? Or what song? And what country are you in?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
"alexa play you've got to hide your love away" and "alexa play you've got to hide your love away by the Beatles" is what the Echo heard. Both times I got (different!) spammy cover band versions. I'm in the US.
― DJI, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
thx
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link
as always, thank YOU!
― DJI, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
Me: Alexa*, play And Your Bird Can Sing by the Beatles
Echo: Playing And Your Bird Can Sing by the Beatles Tribute Band
* actually 'Computer' as my wife prefers that wake word to having a compliant (actually not so compliant) woman in the house
I'm also in the US. I'm pretty sure this happens with every Beatles track - I just chose that one at random.
― Alba, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
And yes, when I go into the Alexa app, it says she heard exactly the right thing. Just DISOBEYED me.
― Alba, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
I read someone online suggesting that Spotify does this because it pays less royalties to the Beatles Tribute Band but I would like to believe this to be a terrible conspiracy theory.
― Alba, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
I mean, as conspiracy theories go, that one at least has a rational justification. But no, we're not doing this intentionally.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
Seems like it used to tell me when I created a playlist but now I can’t find it.
― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 May 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
My son asked Google home to "play some music on Spotify" and it decided to play a Dexy's Midnight Runners compilation which no-one on the family account follows. Not complaining tbh, just seemed an oddly specific choice for such a non-specific request.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link
be grateful you didn't get journey
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:54 (four years ago) link
boy would I love to see the complete code chain of the decision tree that came up with that
― epicenter of the fieri universe (sleeve), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:57 (four years ago) link
that's what sexist robot construction worker said
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:13 (four years ago) link
― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:31 (four years ago) link
Finally made a dent in my Epic Playlist this evening.
― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 02:57 (four years ago) link
Epic Collection, I mean.
― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link
Basically most songs don't need to be me in the Liked Songs playlist. You just like the album and follow the artist and you can find them that way.
― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
So listening to some Pearl Jam today and some of the songs have wee animations that go along with them: Lukin, for example. But my brother doesn’t get them! Anyone else?
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 19:54 (four years ago) link
Could be that Canvas is turned off in his settings
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
Do they still have that? Glad I switched that shit off.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 7 May 2020 08:54 (four years ago) link
Anyone else still having problems with Spotify Connect today? After it stopped working last night I briefly got it to work again but now it's crocked again and there's a Daily Star article about it so it must be serious.
― Alba, Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link
I had issues as well
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:16 (four years ago) link
Actually not just Spotify Connect. Also the Spotify Alexa skill blithely says it's playing the song you ask for and then there's just silence.
― Alba, Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:31 (four years ago) link
Is yours working again, Sufjan?
― Alba, Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:32 (four years ago) link
Still down for me. Sonos says it can't connect to spotify.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link
I'm paying for premium but still getting ads recently. Has something changed.Be in the middle of a podcast and get something advertised that I am not interested in.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
maybe try logging out and logging back in?
xp I can't play anything in the web client right now, but the iPhone app is running normally
― Brad C., Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
Stevo, are you sure the ads aren't part of the podcast? Premium prevents you from hearing spotify inserted ads, but I don't think they can do anything about ads within submitted content.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link
which is like... every podcast
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link
Got mine working again, after first casting from my iPhone to my Firestick rather than Sonos or Echo, and then switching afterwards, but that could well just be a coincidence!
― Alba, Thursday, 7 May 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
yeah, I switched accounts on the sonos app, and it works now. it was all a trick to get us listening to sonos radio.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
How you liking that Sonos radio?
― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
I'm brand new to Sonos so it seems great to me but just the consolidated list of stations would be great even without Sonos Radio tbh. I found an article from last month that said David Byrne had 'curated' one of the stations, shows, playlists, which I quite fancied checking out but when I looked I could only find Thom Yorke's bah.
― Alba, Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
I signed up for that Label Love thing a while ago, and it's cool, but clunky. The guys is working on a discovery app for Spotify that looks pretty cool:
https://tracknack.com/
― DJI, Thursday, 7 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
xp yeah, that curated stations seem good. I only seem to use it when spotify connect doesn't work, or I am playing music for a few people, as I hate picking music for a crowd.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 May 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
You should always start off with Captain Beefheart, you'll learn who's who in that crowd right quick.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 7 May 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
Reporting back on a little experiment. For the past three years I've used ifttt to append my Discover Weeklys into a long playlist called DW Archive. In the past week, I've gone through half of it, weeding out artists I don't like and any tracks I already knew before DW suggested them to me.
I was curious whether a track being in a playlist has an effect on future DWs even if you don't listen to it, and if so whether removing tracks you already know (and like) would just make them reappear in DW.
Results: it's comical how many of the artists (and often specific tracks) I removed from the archive playlist in the past week have appeared in this morning's new DW. That pot is not going anywhere! So, I'm not going to remove any more of the tracks I like but already know all about.
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:46 (four years ago) link
I have a 331 hour playlist of Discover Weekly stuff I haven't checked out yet. Seemed like a good idea to set up at the time :) It's using Smarter Playlists... i think using that you can also de-dupe any playlist.
Your plays from the playlist you made will count - there's nothing to distinguish it from any other playlist you've made. Back when DW was new I did hear that playing from the DW playlist didn't affect future recommendations.
― maffew12, Monday, 11 May 2020 16:55 (four years ago) link
> I was curious whether a track being in a playlist has an effect
Sorry, I answered talking about plays from certain playlists. Making/adding to playlists has no effect on any recommendations - only actually playing things. Unless that's recently changed.
― maffew12, Monday, 11 May 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
But maybe that's the case for what kind of things it will suggest to you, yet still a part of the algorithm deprecates putting a track in someone's DW if it's already in one of their playlists. Because otherwise it seems a massive coincidence that so many of the tracks I deleted from this megaplaylist in the past week have turned up on this week's DW.
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
No, DW doesn't filter based on the contents of your playlists, at all. But if you PLAYED a bunch of those old DW saves while deciding whether to keep them or not, those plays made it much more likely that you'd get tracks like those in DW again this week.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:03 (four years ago) link
I had that mega DW playlist thing set up but after a while it up and died, at which point I just started backing them up one by one for a few years. I finally got rid of almost all of them last week and experienced a brief sense of Delete All My Bookmarks disencumbering.
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 May 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
Thanks glenn
I didn't listen to the ones I deleted on the grounds of knowing them well already that then reappeared in this week's DW (eg Star by Primal Scream). I suppose it's possible some of there weren't as many of these as I thought and others were actually just other well-known songs by the artist (eg maybe I'm misremembering and I actually deleted These Days by Nico instead of I'll Keep it With Mine, which is the one that appeared in the new DW.
I guess if I was listening to lots of the other songs from my DW archive, they're just close enough in Spotify's A.I. to I'll Keep it With Mine and all these other old chestnuts for it to have thrown them at me. How much of a track do I have to listen to for it to count? I'm worried now that all the bad U.S. indie singer-songwriter stuff I listened to for 30 seconds before deleting will make my DW bad for weeks now :(
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
I suppose it's possible some of there weren't as many of these as I thought
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
:30 or more counts as a play.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 May 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
Thanks you! I'll be sure to let my hasty judgment kick in before then.
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link
Oh, and do listens of tracks in Discover Weekly itself count? Would all be a bit circular if they do.
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link
They do. You definitely want them to, otherwise you'd REALLY get the same things over and over...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 May 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
Or, to be a little less glib, playing an individual song in DW strongly weighs against getting the same song in DW again (it can still happen for complicated reasons, but it usually won't), and slightly increases the chance of getting more stuff "like" it (according to matrix math) in future DWs.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 11 May 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
Ah, that's fascinating - thanks again.
― Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
(it can still happen for complicated reasons, but it usually won't)
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 04:17 (four years ago) link
and i appreciate that you have to hit the 30 second threshold for DW to stop suggesting the song (for other people at least). i always wondered if there were great recommendations for me that were getting thrown out because i skipped listening to DW that week.
but i always thought that was a ridiculous number for the purpose of spotify thinking i actually liked a song. i ALWAYS listen to a new song for at least 30 seconds, unless it's something i've already heard. i probably don't give up on a new song until i'm halfway through. i wish spotify could 1. keep track of the average % of a song's length a user makes it through songs they haven't heard and 2. decides that the user likes the song based on reaching that variable, or a portion of that variable. i don't know how anyone can decide they don't like a song before 30 seconds.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 04:24 (four years ago) link
I know what you mean, but on the other hand there was this Nazareth track in Tom Ewing's Twitter poll yesterday…
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link
Is there an easy way to duplicate a playlist without having to go through and add all the songs individually?
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 09:59 (four years ago) link
Seems the magic algorithm needs us to listen to more (or more of) songs we don't like in order to stop suggesting them? Is that right? It sounds wrong.
well, no idea about the past few months, i sort of gave up on it
Also this
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:08 (four years ago) link
Can't you just select them all and drag and drop them all over to a new playlist at once? Requires the desktop app, I don't believe that's possible on a mobile but then editing playlists at all is clunky on a mobile device.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link
To stop Spotify recommending them? Are we at the point of making playlists of things we don't want to hear in order to game the machine?
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:13 (four years ago) link
Sorry - that was an xpost, I was answering Groovpanda's question.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:17 (four years ago) link
To make amends for listening to too many 30-second bursts of songs in my DW archive thus throwing my DW into a rut, I've taken the step of leaving Spotify running on silent overnight with a long playlist of newish stuff by forkslcovetofu. I wish my life hadn't turned out like this.
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:22 (four years ago) link
Just come across this, which seems like it's right up my alley
https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-05-02/five-ways-to-make-your-discover-weekly-playlists-even-more-personalized/
On the other hand, now I'm more confused:
Listening to a song once without replaying or “hearting” won’t affect your Discover Weekly selections.
I guess, glenn, this means in terms of working out what your taste is, and doesn't apply to the issue of whether a song will reappear in your DW or not
and this:
If you’re totally obsessed with a new-to-you track, add it to your own personally curated playlists. This lets us know the song is more than just a momentary obsession, and we’ll be sure to serve up songs in the same vein.
Which suggests that adding it to a playlist does act as a signal that you like it, though maybe it only works if you listen to the track as well. Anyway, I think I'm going to try and weed out that DW archive of mine a little more without breaking the 30-second rule!
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link
I've taken the step of leaving Spotify running on silent overnight
maybe it knows if it's on silent and ignores all such plays...
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link
DON'T TORTURE ME
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:38 (four years ago) link
I forgot to mention that one of the sections I quoted from in that Spotify listicle was titled 'Don’t Overthink It'
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:39 (four years ago) link
Can't you just select them all and drag and drop them all over to a new playlist at once?
Thanks for this - had no idea you could drag tracks on the desktop app. Worked a dream
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:45 (four years ago) link
didn’t know that either, thanking you!
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link
now I can start saving my Release Radars, very cool.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
Those tips for DW are all good things to do to influence your Spotify personalization in general. And the one about using Private Sessions when you're playing things you don't want us to think of as part of your tastes, that one does affect DW in the way it says. The others have a more indirect relationship to how things actually work. Adding a song to one of your playlists, for example, doesn't directly affect your DW in itself, but songs you PLAY from your own playlists get a higher weight in our calculation of your taste than things you play from Spotify editorial playlists or other peoples'...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
is there anything i can do to stop my DW from being 50% repeats? do i just need to listen to a ton of new music or something?
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Well, it's not supposed to be repeats. DM me your Spotify username and I'll pass it along to the right team...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
ty glenn!
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
Glenn, I have observed that if I Follow an artist and then I click through the Artists page to them, I will see all songs from them from Liked Albums or in Liked Songs, but not songs in other personal playlists. Assuming this is by design, but might be nice to see others. In fact it would be nice to have some cross-section into to my bespoke playlists as well.
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
Seems like it used to tell me when I created a playlist but now I can’t find it.― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, May 1, 2020 1:57 PM (one week ago)
― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, May 1, 2020 1:57 PM (one week ago)
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
If there's one thing I've learned going through my old DWs, it's that there are lot of singer-songwriters whose names start with J that I never want suggested to me again. Get lost all you Jeffs, Johns, Joes and Jacks.
― Alba, Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
Ha!
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
This double J artist song managed to survive my DW purge: https://open.spotify.com/track/4ZaAk3UJ0asITuGS7JvXPB?si=wwJJYXOJSzq1RqQaZG_tgQ
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
are any of them Jeff "Guitar" Elliot?
― Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
Glenn, any idea what happened here?!?
https://i.ibb.co/XxcvKWY/Untitled.png
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 02:47 (four years ago) link
(The recommended tracks all being a few seconds long, identified with strings of random characters, and all with random stolen cover art labelled with #hiddeninspotifyDVD, and which seem mighty odd suggestions for a perfectly pleasant pastorally ambient album)
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 02:49 (four years ago) link
Is there a way to export a playlist to a text file? (i.e. a list of the tracks that are in the playlist)
The methods that Google brings up don't seem to work anymore
― groovypanda, Monday, 18 May 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link
The csv export function on http://joellehman.com/playlist/ doesn't seem to work any more, but it still displays a tab demited text version of the playlist on the screen that you can then paste into either a spreadsheet or a text editor.
― Alba, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:10 (four years ago) link
Cheers, that worked
― groovypanda, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link
I use https://www.tunemymusic.com/ to export playlists to text it's excellent
― nashwan, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:45 (four years ago) link
Oh, that looks great.
― Alba, Monday, 18 May 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
Those #H1DDENinSpotifyDVD tracks are hilarious. Some weird 1D-related promotional stunt from 2014, which you're getting because your playlist is probably titled "hidden" and you either have <=5 songs or the songs aren't popular enough to have recs. If you hit Refresh a couple times you'll probably get something more relevant...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link
Ah, right, thanks, the album has the word HIDDEN in the title.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
lately I've been unable to skip around in a track I'm playing or alter the volume on the desktop app, although I can do the volume with the scroll wheel. I have no idea how this happened. I have to open the app up on my phone to skip ahead in a track
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 11:55 (four years ago) link
This sucks: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21263927/joe-rogan-spotify-experience-exclusive-content-episodes-youtubeDon’t platform the guy that platforms alt-right shitheads.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link
and ppl say spotify doesn't pay artists. deal must be putting ~50mil on rogan
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
spotify has trained an algorithm to send cease and desist letters to fraternity brothers just doing a bit o' speculatin' on youtube while high
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
xp egg on my face, 100mil+
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/spotify-strikes-exclusive-podcast-deal-with-joe-rogan-11589913814
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
On Curtis Mayfield's Curtis Live! (US Release), the track "We Are The People Who Are Darker Than Blue - Live @ The Bitter End, NYC" is from an entirely different concert recorded I would estimate, 15-20 years in the future of the rest of that album.
Also stop putting the metadata into the track titles.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 08:14 (four years ago) link
Tangentially related to putting metadata into the track titles: one thing Spotify gets right that I would like to give them props for is the handling of multiple artists. Particularly in the indie/non-hiphop world where "Song Title (feat. Female Guest Vocalist)" never really became the norm, it's cool to be able to instantly click through to Female Guest Vocalist's own page and start listening. That's how I discovered the AMAZING Miya Folick: even though I must have listened to Fucked Up - Dose Your Dreams a hundred times or more in the Bandcamp app, the credits for that album on the band's page are so massive and so badly formatted that I had never taken the time to sift through them to find out who was wailing so beautifully on track 18. But the first time I played it in Spotify, that info was right at my fingertips. Thank you, friends!
― handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link
Putting metadata into the track titles is done by the labels, not Spotify. Crediting the featured artists individually is also done by the labels, although obviously we have to do a little work on the Spotify end to show that information accessibly.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link
I've settled on what I think it the right procedure for dealing with songs that appear in Discover Weekly that I like but aren't new to me and I don't to reappear in my DW a few months later: listen to 30 seconds of it (not in private mode). That sound right, glenn?
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link
don't to reappear = don't want to reappear
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
Don't Fear (The Reappear)
― Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link
Yes, if you play :30+ of a DW track it should not be recommended to you again...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
> On Curtis Mayfield's Curtis Live! (US Release), the track "We Are The People Who Are Darker Than Blue - Live @ The Bitter End, NYC" is from an entirely different concert recorded I would estimate, 15-20 years in the future of the rest of that album.
I noticed this on another streaming platform (Google Play) and assume this is an issue with the files the label provided the streaming corps. Still, somebody at spotify should verify it's wrong by listening to it for a few seconds (it's obvious and horrible) and then gray out the file and ideally ask the label to fix it.
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
Thanks for the confirmation, glenn. I can't believe how much mental energy I expend on feeding the DW algo correctly. I suppose it's a hobby I enjoy.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link
Personally, I despise negotiating indirectly with inscrutable algorithms like this, and refuse to do it. Which is why http://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi exists at the other extreme of control, in at least some sense...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link
Ah yeah, I haven't played with that for a while. It's kind of overwhelming.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
I assumed it was the uploaders putting the metadata in the song titles rather than Spotify themselves. Maybe there's a big fancy version of Cmd+F they could do to strip it from the titles and put in an appropriate place.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
I'd also forgot about http://organizeyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com which is a great tool for playing about with my Discover Archive
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
wild stannery from Rogan listeners in the comments here:
A musician would need to generate 23 billion streams on Spotify to earn what they're paying Joe Rogan for his podcast rights (assuming a typical $.00437 payout per stream). In other words, Spotify values Rogan more than any musician in the history of the world. Sound fair to you? pic.twitter.com/zvMdY3mIQA— Ted Gioia (@tedgioia) May 20, 2020
― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
I'm not a rogan fan, but clearly they value his product more because it is a very different thing than an album of music and is worth more.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
A musician would need to generate 23 billion streams on Spotify to earn what they're
ok.. and rogan has 23 billion streams what is the point of this tweet??
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link
"a musician would need billions of streams to make what Drake makes from Spotify"
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link
Spotify made $7.44 billion dollars in revenue selling other peoples' music to customers in 2019. The two founders have paid themselves billions of dollars. It would be good if musicians saw more of the proceeds of their creativity and labour than Joe Rogan or an executive from a marketing company, imo.
Whether or not Rogan's deal is fairly valued prima facie, the principal being paid out in that deal has been generated by undervaluing the labour of others, and thus removing their access to other forms of revenue.
(The deal also comes at the exact moment when the primary remaining form of revenue for most working musicians has been completely eradicated due to other circumstances, so it bites harder.)
― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link
that is well said, and i agree with all of it. ted's tweet is just dumb is all.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link
Here is a pretty good neutral-party explanation of the issues and complexities in streaming royalties.
https://musically.com/2020/05/05/spotify-should-pay-musicians-more-lets-talk-about-how/
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link
imo platforming Rogan at all is truly reprehensible, especially with that kind of payout for his literal hate speech, and that sentiment stands regardless of any other monetary issues at play
― sleeve, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:41 (four years ago) link
profoundly fucked up on multiple levels
@glenn seems like the best plan is to make a subscription cost more.
― DJI, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:56 (four years ago) link
Yeah, the Joe Rogan thing is making me think of cancelling and I have been a paying customer since 2011.
― some vast airy pantaloon is required (PBKR), Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link
I just discovered that many of the Rough Guides are on there. I think some of the reggae, Cuban and African (dub, African rap) ones aren't available, though (if I recall the catalog correctly). But that's cool. Wish they'd keep everything they issued available. Lots of roots music, but I like the dancey stuff.
― You're a Moron if You Didn't See it Coming (I M Losted), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:37 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
why is it dumb
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
it's not necessarily dumb, it could also be stupid OR dumb
― lumen (esby), Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link
it is dumb because Joe Rogan's terrible show will indeed produce several billions of streams over the years, if you look at average youtube viewership numbers. this is also a deal that involves making the content exclusive. if you want to compare with the deal musicians get, you have to compare it to a deal where a musician makes their back catalog and new releases exclusive (with regular new releases guaranteed). obviously, you need to obtain a new stratosphere of popularity for spotify to make that deal. you also need to own your content to see the full benefit of the deal. And spotify probably doesn't make that deal anyway because music is fundamentally different from a podcast that is frequently churning out new content, capturing DAUs for an extended period of time with many ad breaks and keeping them around for more new content.
The tweet is dumb because it doesn't acknowledge any of these facts, and instead treats us like we're idiots that don't know what's happening here. it's condescending and wrong. sic's post acknowledges what is actually happening instead of giving a poor analysis that arrives at a sensational number (that isn't so sensational anyway) intended to direct outrage toward spotify. so sic otm, though it did take more words than can be squeezed into a tweet. I've no dislike for ted gioia, btw. I just don't like that tweet.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
Sound fair to you?
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
^see what a bad ending this is?
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link
oh no, that one also sounds bad because it is a question I am clearly asking because I presume to know the answer with my smart twitter analysis
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:11 (four years ago) link
Can you give the math behind these facts? Rogan's payout is fair/musicians' payout is fair vis a vis revenue produced?
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
from businessinsider.com:
Joe Rogan's massively popular podcast will become a Spotify exclusive, the company announced Tuesday. The Joe Rogan Experience, which is downloaded nearly 200 million times per month and makes $30 million annually, will only be uploaded to Spotify starting in September.
one can do some simple math to assess the value of the deal to spotify. I'm not sure the length of the "multi-year" deal. But if it's 3 years, 3*$30 million is close to $100 million. 36*200 million streams is 7.2 billion streams. the per-stream comparison also seems meaningless anyhow. Spotify's market cap has also increased a few billion since the deal was announced, and that's something.
so the problem isn't that spotify erroneously overvalues rogan's bad podcast over its great music. or even that it undervalues the music. the problem is much broader, as sic described. There's plenty of room for outrage toward spotify in the solution, but it should come from a more realistic description of where we are, how we got here, and spotify's own place in a larger issue.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
the number involving $30 million is probably misleading, as I don't know the deal w.r.t. advertising $$$ within the podcast. I'm sure spotify cares more about the effect on new user and daily use numbers, since these are the things that seem to matter most in the quarterly reports of an online user data-based targeted advertising business.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
a lot of the value is in establishing Spotify as a go-to platform for podcasts, I assume. Like if usually listen to Rogan on Apple or Youtube and have to switch to Spotify, you are more likely to start listening to your other podcasts there.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
yes. Going for the "we are podcast netflix" gold ring
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
They also bought The Ringer for $200 million in order to get Bill Simmons' stable of podcasts, and also to have an in-house sports division. Weeks before sports stopped existing worldwide.
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
they didn't make them exclusive tho. Not sure why.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link
a) it's a whole website and suite of podcasts, not a single audio conversation program like Roganb) when apparently pivoting your core business, makes sense to try a variety of strategies for customer engagement and assess them all
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
i listen to bill simmons because he is to sports/pop/meta media capitalism what ryukahr is to super mario maker. i don't really care what he says. i enjoy listening to him talk with somebody like chuck klosterman about survivor because you can feel them working out how to best butter their bread by filling time with meaningless "ideas" peoples' minds can hang on to for a few minutes while they pivot spreadsheets at work. they even joke about people like mike greenberg to distract from the fact that they're blowing the same hot air under the sails of people just trying to distract themselves from their own lives. so they don't really need sports to happen. they just need a flow of income from spreadsheet pivoters, looking for a distraction.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:30 (four years ago) link
that all sounds a bit "wake up sheeple," and i was invoking the bill/chuck style. But i am admitting myself as part of the sheeple in this case. anything to avoid my own thoughts about real stuff that matters while pivoting these spreadsheets.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:35 (four years ago) link
the website though
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
isnt the website mostly about rewatching old movies?
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
and ranking fast food menu items?
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
i.e. the expanded version of bill's podcast?
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link
The fuck you talking about?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 May 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
please read the first 30 words if you don't wish to see this content itt in the future
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 May 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
Glenn, what on earth is the rationale behind the 'RECOMMENDED SONGS Based on the songs in this playlist' thing? It seems to be entirely based on the song/artist names (ie recommending the Frozen soundtrack if you listen to Ben Frost) which seems a fairly unhelpful guide to what someone might want to listen to.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:34 (four years ago) link
Ha - I don't think that's usually the way it works. It comes up with reasonably sensible suggestions on mine. Maybe Ben Frost gets a lot of listens from kids trying to type Frozen
― Alba, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:53 (four years ago) link
I started a playlist with the "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" theme and all the recommended songs were Christmas music
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
and bad boys ost
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
lol playlist "Snow" by Ben Frostrecommended songs: Snow Patrol "You're All I Have"Miike Snow- "Faker"Hank Snow- "Rockin' Rollin' Ocean"THe Reindeer Section- "Cartwheels"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:53 (four years ago) link
Belle & Sebastian- "Fox in the Snow"Nick Cave- "Fifteen Feet of Pure White"RHCP- "Snow (Hey)"Phoebe Snow- "Isn't It a Shame"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link
clicking refresh until I get "Informer"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:57 (four years ago) link
Recommended Songs recommends songs based on the playlist title if you don't have any songs in it yet. And it's supposed to switch to recommendations based on the songs as soon as there are any songs, but at the moment it seems to only switch once there are at least 6 of them. But if you add at least 6 and then hit Refresh a couple times to clear out the title-based recommendations, you should get some that make more sense. It works by looking at what other people tend to put on playlists with the songs you have so far, so if you're making a playlist with a strong theme based on something outside of your own head, the recs can be downright uncanny. For that matter, even the title-based recs are sometimes terrific. If you're going for something more personal or particular, though, there's no guarantee it will match what other people have collectively done before.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 May 2020 02:30 (four years ago) link
5 seems like enough, actually. If I add Deaf Center, Forest Swords, Grouper and Oneohtrix Point Never to that Ben Frost song, refreshing gets me recs for Taylor Deuprae, Anna Thorvalsdottir, Bersarin Quartett, Lawrence English, Sarah Davachi and Fennesz, none of those songs involving snow...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 22 May 2020 02:36 (four years ago) link
I've found so much good stuff from the playlist radio function - that thing that arrives after a playlist/album has finished. It's a great feature.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 22 May 2020 07:45 (four years ago) link
Cheers, glenn--it's always interesting learning how it all works.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 May 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/spotify-lifts-10000-song-library-limit/
About damn time
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
nice. hope it doesn’t bork things too much.
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
Good thing they did that after I cleaned up my Liked Playlist. Really,
― Trouble Is My Métier (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
fucking finally
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:27 (four years ago) link
yeeeeeeesssssss
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
though this feels a bit like the programming meme where you insert pauses in the code to remove later.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
how is spotify with local files these days? i’m so sick of apple music forgetting where in a 3-hour DJ mix i was.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
My general sense is that it is not as good as it once was, but I don't have specific problems I'm grappling with at the moment
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
hmm. Might make a bigger library. Is it just my crap phone or does having a large library make the Android app slower? Even when not much of it is downloaded.
― maffew12, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
Blessed day
― Spottie, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
So a week or two back something changed again and instead of showing the most recent "appears on" features, the iphone app now shows the most popular "appears on" albums/playlists instead, which i guess is all fine and dandy if you're looking for the most heavily anthologized Elton John tracks or whatever, but a total disaster for anyone (me) trying to keep track of new dancehall riddims, which are now basically unsearchable unless you already know the name of the riddim. No more "oh hey, that's i-octane singing, let me check if i can find out the name of the riddim through looking at his artist page." Sigh.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
I had prepared this very same post. It’s the same on desktop btw, but it’s worse on mobile because it only shows you 25 releases - which was sort of okay when it was the 25 most recent ones, but now it’s a disaster, especially when you’re following genres like dancehall or Afropop or rap or any other genre where people do lots of features on other people’s tracks or albums, and that’s actually most genres these days, I’d think. So no, I don’t get this decision at all. Case in point: a couple of days ago maura posted a song on the rolling r&b thread, it was Miguel on someone else’s track. It had slipped my mind who the main artist was, so I checked Miguel’s Spotify page for his latest collaboration - but it was not to be found among the 25 that were shown. How is that helping the user at all - or the artist for that matter? “Hey, I’ve done a new thing, but guess what, you don’t get to see it!”(and yeah, it’s probably worst for dancehall. The other week I wanted to check for riddims an artist was on in 2011 or 2012 and was forced to search 120 or whatever releases sorted in random chronological order)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 21:48 (four years ago) link
The Appears On thing involves issues that have nothing to do with what you're seeing. Hopefully it'll be back soon...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 00:16 (four years ago) link
I don't know if this helps at all as a workaround but you can add year:2020 to your search to get this year's releases. Doing that with Miguel got me his appearance on Too Much by Ro James as the first track on Songs.
And for new dancehall releases, you could try
http://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi?genre=dancehall®ion=US or https://open.spotify.com/search/genre%3Adancehall%20year%3A2020/tracks but I know Spotify's idea of what's in a genre isn't always the most accurate.
― Alba, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
That search-for-year thing is very useful, thanx alba.Glenn, if you’re hopeful I’m hopeful too, but you do sound awfully mysterious!“Coming soon to a theater near you: 5G - The Movie - it has nothing to do with what you’re seeing...”
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 06:07 (four years ago) link
lol, And thanks, Alba, I'll definitely try that.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 09:39 (four years ago) link
i love searching by year look at this amazing time capsule from the early 40s
https://i.imgur.com/ga8TQLq.png
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
Amazing colorization work!
― DJI, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
Track 2 seems a pretty inappropriate tribute to Pearl Harbor but what can you expect from one of those "edgy" swing bands.
― blatherskite, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
Local Oafs is a great name
― badg, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
Am I missing an easy way to remove albums from a playlist?
Or is just a case of doing it track by track from your phone or (slightly easier) highlighting all the tracks on the desktop app?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 28 May 2020 07:51 (four years ago) link
I love Canvas. I just found out that Kraftwerk have added some neat little animations (taken from their live show, but not in 3D obv) to go with some tracks on The Catalogue on Spotify. Is there any way to browse songs that have Canvas?
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Thursday, 28 May 2020 08:03 (four years ago) link
what's the deal with this piece of shit clipping off the first half second or more from tracks/albums? particularly bad/noticeable on the MJQ's "versailles", also on "shotgun willie". not OK at all
― no (Left), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
Dammit, we thought our secret scheme to get rich by shaving .5s off of old jazz and country songs would NEVER be detected. At least not until "Take Five" got whittled down to "Take Four", but by then we would have been long gone.
(I checked every version of "Versailles" available in the US, and none of them were clipped. Got a link to the one you were playing?)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link
glenn, you are a saint for still actually trying to help
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link
oh I didn’t realise we had an insider on here. thought it was just a bitching thread
this def sounds clipped but it’s pretty minor I guess
https://open.spotify.com/track/24wQ5BTQnckCjNlIdBmL38?si=PDOkcMaxSL-1V_YUA6pepw
― no (Left), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:31 (four years ago) link
Are you listening over bluetooth? I had a cheapo speaker which for some reason missed the first bit of a track, probably not as much as 1/2 second, but enough to notice.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
That happens with Airplay too with my AV receiver. I think it has a race condition between the CODEC and the power amp.
― DJI, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
Well, I don't know the song well myself, so you could be right, but the versions on Spotify are all consistent, and match the corresponding ones on YouTube, so if there's an issue, I'd have to guess that it's at the label/master end...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
Ok it could be my equipment or something but it happens with or without bluetooth. it’s not as catastrophic as I made out I only notice it if I’m previously familiar with CD/mp3 versions. probably is a master issue
― no (Left), Monday, 1 June 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
More voice query weirdness, via Google and Sonos this time. 'Hey Google, play Dancing Queen' - plays Dancing Queen by the A*Teens. 'Hey Google, play Dancing Queen by Abba' - plays Dancing Queen by the A*Teens. 'Hey Google, play Abba, Dancing Queen' - plays Dancing Queen by the A*Teens.
― neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 09:14 (four years ago) link
My latest horror is "Computer, play Lay Lady Lay by Bob Dylan on Spotify""Playing Lay Lady Lay by Bob Dylan Tribute Band from Spotify"Thankfully in this case if I drop the "by Bob Dylan" it plays the right version.
― Alba, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:38 (four years ago) link
I wonder if it's possible to steal from the tip jar of chancers like Bob Dylan Tribute Band.
― Alba, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:40 (four years ago) link
On the plus side, the Beatles problem seems to be mainly fixed. If I ask for a track by the Beatles the Beatles tribute acts don't get a look in.
Weirdly, it's the opposite situation to with Lay Lady Lay though – if I don't specify the Beatles then I get cover versions, though not by soundalike tribute acts:
Computer, play Tomorrow Never Knows on Spotfiy. Playing Tomorrow Never Knows by Aso from SpotifyComputer, play You Won't See Me on Spotify. Playing You Won't See by Anne Murray from Spotify.
― Alba, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link
This is a total bummer, and probably means I’m moving to Tidal or something:https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/24/21192473/spotify-revoking-support-developer-api-third-party-dj-apps-algoriddim-djay
― DJI, Saturday, 6 June 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
Or you know buy music
― DJI, Saturday, 6 June 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
Oh no that's seriously bad news
― Alba, Saturday, 6 June 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link
Ffs Spotify. They seem hell bent on making their app as un-user friendly as possible. From little things like not being able copy an artist name on the desktop app (something so simple that someone must have made a choice to remove it) to preventing anyone from using this huge resource for anything useful while stripping away any flexibility. The leadership must be on some 5D chess shit cos from down here it may seems bone headed and frankly antagonistic to users. Itss almost like it knows it's got the best catalogue of the streamers and the fancy algorithm (which admittedly is very good) will keep people subscribed, so they're making the baseline experience so low that any small improvements in the future will look miraculous.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Sunday, 7 June 2020 07:26 (four years ago) link
hey glenn, can you get "FENIX FLEXIN TYPE BEAT" off Baby Dee's Popular tracks list? I'm sure she'd be amused but hey. https://open.spotify.com/album/6PCURlsQP9m5RCdvtQOT2X
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 8 June 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 8 June 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link
gracias
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 8 June 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
That is really a bummer about djay integration. I like just playing with that stuff. How is Tidal's catalogue these days?In the mood now for Discover Weekly, first time in ages. I had been automatically saving them to a playlist. Today I ran "artist de-dup" on smarterplaylists and went from 335 hours to just 71 hours worth of robot suggestions to catch up on. Maybe.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link
I recently put my auto-archives of Release Radar through http://organizeyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com and have been listening to a (still long) playlist that consists only of … high-valence chamber pop. It's much better than it sounds.
― Alba, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
I'm frustrated because my Discover Weeklies (which aren't a "discovery" for me...stuff like Big Star or Wire, but that's ok because youngsters are just discovering that stuff)...
Anyway, my DWs are extremely white and kind of fortysomething indie cornball thing that annoys me to no end, which is weird because I spend half my time or more listening to artists who aren't white. Meanwhile, my Release Radar has a lot of black, Latino or Asian artists. The difference is pretty stark.
Also, the pop and dance music I listen to NEVER seems to make it on DW, whereas RR accurately reflects my taste.
― Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
I mean, I don't hate the DWs, but they tend to recommend stuff I was listening to in 1993, so I do listen to them so see if I still like that stuff...but none of the goth, dance, r&b, soul, reggae etc. shows up.
― Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
is this real or a forgery?https://open.spotify.com/album/6h3otGDKSu9pCcUG7cpTtT?si=TKx9pqGOQ2a7dl_89Nj-pA
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
i ask bc there's no information about an album if you google it and i shazam'ed Mindful Bliss and it came up as Mark Barrott's Coming Up for Air but then i shazam'd Bittersweet and it's a song called Fzv by Tomash Kofa
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
and the late great says sandcastles on salinas is a future loop foundation track + he recognizes some others too
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
Anybody into 'binaural beats'?
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7EF8wVxBVhG?si=QjyP3LJkSjigsmyKSR-Evw
Feel like it's a slight misnomer as there are
1) No beats
2) Only very subtle binaural flourishes
but it's pretty easy to just whack this on while working. However I do sort of wonder if this is the audio equivalent of Huel.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
Spotify fueling a barely music renaissance(and I'm here for it)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
I came across a Delta Wave Deep Sleep one when I was searching for ambient playlists a week or two ago Seemed an odd mix of some ambient sounding tracks and others that were just bass hums xp
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
there are so many incredible ambient records from the 90s that don't exist on spotify.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
Yes. I wonder how hard it would be for a label to get some older releases on these popular focus/work/study playlists.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
It doesn't even seem to be a genre on there - just 'ambient sounds' so gets lumped in with all the 'pink noise' and 'whale sounds' shit.
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link
if glenn doesn't have a "pink noise and whale sounds" category already...
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link
Can anyone (glenn?) explain how this happens
https://open.spotify.com/track/5aUf13PE8XmentDXP9zqTC?si=Xyu7FEV1T6O2wifx23iGug
It's supposed to be Slow Motion by SFF but about 47 seconds in it starts playing Babin by Josky Kiambukuta & Youlou Mabiala O_o
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 12:55 (four years ago) link
Anybody into 'binaural beats'?https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7EF8wVxBVhG?si=QjyP3LJkSjigsmyKSR-EvwFeel like it's a slight misnomer as there are1) No beats
Aren't "binaural beats" "beats" in the sense of a rhythmic interference pattern between frequencies? Like when you're tuning a stringed instrument against another string and you get it very close and you can hear a tremolo-like "beating" effect which speeds up or slows down as you turn the tuning peg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_%28acoustics%29
But yeah, it's a confusing name for them as a playlist on a music site.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
Schicke Führs Fröhling turning into Youlou Mabiala is bizarre. The two albums come from the same licensor, so I guess my only theory involves a distracted label intern trying to do too many uploads at once. I'll ask our people to ask their people to give it another try!
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
As for "binaural", you can find LOTS more here: http://everynoise.com/engenremap-binaural.html
and you can see the whole genre-space reordered relative to binaural here: http://everynoise.com/everynoise1d.cgi?root=binaural&scope=all
Not enough individual whale-song artists to make a "whale" genre yet.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link
Nice one glenn xp
The correct version of Slow Motion appears on their 2018 Collected Works LP so I added that to the playlist I was making instead
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
Am I crazy or is there no shuffle play option anymore on the desktop UI?
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
lol, never mind, I'm a dummy. I had a podcast still paused as my currently playing track and the shuffle option only appears when you're playing music.
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
Latest Test Pressing lockdown playlist, from Stevie Kotey, is an absolute peach.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1iDtw4YCHWv9Izp5pBrqEo?si=ySgxH6U7RB2iWjZ7djH2BQ
― Alba, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
First time I’ve ever come across something where the titles are shifted by one from the song that is playing: https://open.spotify.com/album/4WV3kUWmeCpq7I4bM6BM4J?si=cspEkw1LTq-1nx5rmcKBig
― Soft Mutation Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link
Yeah, looks like it's probably wrong at the source. I'll get a message passed along to the licensor to see if they will fix it. Thanks!
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 02:56 (four years ago) link
If you have autoplay on is there any way to stop it playing certain tracks/artists? When we play wheels on the bus it follows it up with kids bible songs :/
― neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link
We get cutesy ukelele versions of popular classics :(
― Alba, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link
No, there's no current way to influence autoplay, and you're not the first person to discover that the current algorithm often matches non-religious kids songs with religious kids songs. I've looked at the listening patterns for these, and they basically make sense: those songs share a LOT of listeners, and it's not simple to tell from the numbers that this is because religious-kids-music audiences are happy to hear "Wheels on the Bus" but non-religious-kids-music-audiences are not as happy to hear bible songs.
Hopefully we'll eventually get artist/song banning working ubiquitously across all parts of the app, which will then give you the ability to get rid of individual things you don't want, but if we don't solve the underlying problem, banning the bible tracks you're hearing is likely to just get you different bible tracks. And solving the underlying problem means modeling the asymmetry of religious-music listening, which is a serious problem in both cultural and technical terms. It's doable, we've done similar efforts for Christmas music and kids music in general. But that's how I know it's hard.
My practical recommendation is to use the songs you LIKE from Autoplay to build a playlist, and then use the Recommended Songs at the bottom of that playlist to fill it out with more things you like or at least tolerate, and then turn Autoplay off and go with your own longer list.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link
Is the autoplay the 'Radio based on' type thing that starts when you get to the end of a playlist?
If so have nothing but praise for it as have made some fantastic discoveries listening to it
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link
It's also a really really useful on smart speakers: just being able to ask for a single track and let it run from there is a lot less fiddly than specifying names of playlists.
― Alba, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 14:06 (four years ago) link
thanks for the info and tips glenn, very informative. i guess the large religious-kids-music user base in the states is also a factor.
― neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
might be easier to be a devout follower for awhile, stopping immediately when the algorithm is fixed
― voltmeter said i had potential (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
i thought about exclusively listening to kids religious music for a few weeks then hitting "i don't like this artist" when it starts showing up in discover weekly.
― neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
Ugh, I apologize on behalf of the entire software industry for uncontrollable algorithms you're forced to try to game indirectly...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
I was impressed when a ~700 song playlist shuffled from Smiths' "Rubber Ring" into Kenny Chesney's "I Go Back"
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:21 (four years ago) link
we suffer, it's true.
― neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 18 June 2020 08:03 (four years ago) link
hey, maybe wrong place to ask, but is there a way to put my music on spotify and just decline any royalties or possibilities of monetary compensation?
(not that i have any delusions of making money, i just 100% don't care about getting any money from the music i make. just want to make it available on another platform besides bandcamp.)
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 June 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link
also it's 1000% bee ess that aaliyah's second and third albums aren't available. that's classic material. never should have traded those. i had the self-titled on double vinyl, too. regrets.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 June 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
OneRPM has a free plan, that's what I use for my own music.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 19 June 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
Discographies of the surf rock band and afro-jazz group both named the Pyramids are mixed together
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
disappearance of “appears on” listings is a bummer
― brimstead, Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
seriously though. Glenn? Help!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link
I still see "appears on" listings...is this on a newer version of the desktop app that I don't have yet?
― Irritable Baal (WmC), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
yeah, it's not on my desktop.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
The Appears On thing is a temporary casualty of a complicated situation I can't get into, but it will come back. Nobody wants it gone.
I reported the Pyramids page, thanks. It should get cleaned up in a day or two.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 2 July 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
thanks for that update. i really would hate to see the "appears on" feature go away permanently, it seriously hobbles usability.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 July 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
The badge that appears on the play button if you have shuffle on: heroic ui move, applause.
― neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link
Does it always appear?
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:32 (four years ago) link
I see two different buttons a regular play button near the bottom and a shuffle play button that appears closer to the top
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link
Hmm maybe it isn't what I thought it was. It's at the top below the album or playlist image - is it just shuffle play then? It does show whether I have shuffle on or off. This is in the app btw.
― neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link
Was this a recent update? I don’t see it there.
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
version 8.5.65.852 ¯\(°_o)/¯
further investigation confirms it is just shuffle play :(
― neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipgtPCrd1O0
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link
Wondering why the list of releases an artist Appears On stopped appearing in reverse chronological order recently - now seems to be random.
― nashwan, Saturday, 11 July 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
see upthread. Glenn keeps reassuring us it will be alright.
The Appears On thing involves issues that have nothing to do with what you're seeing. Hopefully it'll be back soon...― glenn mcdonald, woensdag 27 mei 2020 2:16 bookmarkflaglink
― glenn mcdonald, woensdag 27 mei 2020 2:16 bookmarkflaglink
The Appears On thing is a temporary casualty of a complicated situation I can't get into, but it will come back. Nobody wants it gone.― glenn mcdonald, donderdag 2 juli 2020 21:30 bookmarkflaglink
― glenn mcdonald, donderdag 2 juli 2020 21:30 bookmarkflaglink
Maybe it's dependent on Trump being voted out of office in November?
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 11 July 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
I said it would be back, and it is. The sort order is different now, that part is correct. There may be further developments there, eventually, but sorting by popularity is what allowed the feature to be reenabled...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
Okay Glenn, now you’ve got me confused (and worried). The reordering/sorting by popularity instead of (reverse) chronology was precisely the issue longneck and I complained about back in May. You then said in reply this was a temporary issue. The actual disappearance of the feature only came up here last week ( I never experienced it myself). So now you’re saying the sorting by popularity is a permanent thing? That’s... very bad news, for the reasons outlined back in May.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
Could you possibly leave Glenn alone? He's not ILX's personal Spotify troubleshooter. Take your complaints to the Spotify forums, please.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Saturday, 11 July 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
People air their opinions (positive and negative) on and issues with Spotify here. Glenn pops up here sometimes to respond or weigh in, which is great. He does this of his own accord, as far as I know. It’s not that people are summoning him or something. He happened to weigh in on this specific issue (which has nothing to do with troubleshooting) as well. I’m just responding to his responses.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 11 July 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
It's OK. The feature was removed entirely for many people, that was the bigger issue. It's now back for everybody. For now, the thing that allowed it to return was sorting by popularity (so that certain recent-but-not-popular compilations are not so prominent). Whether this is permanent, I do not know.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 July 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
(I mean that no permanent decision has been made yet.)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 July 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/0EXW6qWbVvS6KSRG9zbZyg?si=r5tYOioZQVmn2coAdKTlyw < listen to the end for a surprise. never encountered this before !
― rumpy riser (ogmor), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:31 (four years ago) link
That version isn't available in the US, and all the ones that are have shorter durations. So now I really want to know what the surprise is!
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 13 July 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
Lol, couldn’t have guessed that would happen.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 13 July 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
almost as rude as when i bought nine inch nails' broken on cd and on playing was greeted with some smooth soul music.
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
what's supposed to happen here?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
Tubgirl shows up in a Flash animation
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
For the first 2.55, it's what it should be - Jelly Roll Morton "Red Hot Pepper Stomp" - but then it cuts abruptly into the last 45 seconds or so of Steely Dan "Bad Sneakers".
― mike t-diva, Monday, 13 July 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
Awesome. I've reported it to the team who will ask the licensor to try again...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 13 July 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
ugghhhh why are they taking away the "Recently Played" list on the iphone app! First "Recently Played" went from a long column to a shortened row, now it is completely gone. I understand there are all these other cool records, playlists, past listens brought back from the dead by Spotify's algorithms, etc....but why can't I see what I recently played anymore? It was my favorite organizing principle on this thing.
― jazzed (it's a boy!), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
What? Is that for real? Cuz yeah, for me too, it’s a no-brainer, super-useful
― Isolde mein Herz zum Junker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:38 (four years ago) link
But I still see mine
― Isolde mein Herz zum Junker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
I don't think I ever found where Recently Played was on the app!
― Alba, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:47 (four years ago) link
on my iPhone, Recently Played is the second item on the Home screen ... I can swipe the visible part of the row to see a fairly long list
― Brad C., Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:23 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah - for me too. I guess I don't pay much attention to the home screen and spend all my time in library and search. Also, I'm frequently changing between devices for Spotify playback so a phone one only reminds me how annoying it Spotify doesn't let you see my playing history across devices.
― Alba, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
Oh right – and this is recently played albums and playlists anyway, not tracks.
― Alba, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
Never knew the mobile app even had a Recently Played function.Are you all talking about this hidden away listing? It goes back about 150 plays with me:https://community.spotify.com/t5/Music-Chat/History-Recently-Played-on-Mobile-Device/td-p/4660284
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
well, make that about 100. forgot it doesn’t register plays on other devices.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
Still, I love that it exists but is hidden like an Easter egg. Thanks.
― Alba, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
I just noticed that the band Sparks “appears on” a bunch of Rocafella albums. Who knew?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 July 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link
I've heard of Spotify
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 July 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdnKe4NM-s
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 July 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
giving joe rogan 100 million dollars seems like a perfectly reasonable business decision
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link
madness
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:27 (four years ago) link
I know they've thought about it and worked it all out, but how much audience will Rogan lose after going exclusive to Spotify? 1/3? 1/2?
I guess he doesn't care - money is money, whether it comes from Spotify or from advertisers.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link
i'm, uh, less concerned about joe rogan's decision making process here
like, i understand, i'm a fuckin' biased source here in that i've never liked spotify, i got a record here of shit talking spotify perhaps a little bit out of proportion to what it's actually been doing
honestly this kind of benefits me if it means that i don't have to deal with youtube recommending me fucking joe rogan videos every time i go on there
i recognize it's hypocritical of me to still use youtube and google, knowing that they are monetizing his toxic bullshit, knowing that this is their business model, and then turn around and dunk on spotify for spending $100 million for the privilege of doing the same fucking thing
this is always how it goes, once a company gets big enough, powerful enough, that they own the market, they expand into other markets. every fucking indie artist feels tremendous, immense pressure to sign a deal with spotify, even though they don't fucking get paid, because if they don't sign with spotify they don't get _heard_
and who does get paid? joe fucking rogan, that's who.
allow me to repeat my 2020 mantra: i'm not surprised, i'm disappointed.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
because you have to expand your market, because there's not enough _money_ in music, because in 2020, the real money is in just Asking Questions of very intelligent people like alex jones.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
I have to admit I am little surprised that Michelle Obama is going ahead with her Spotify exclusive podcast given the Rogan deal. Gives a new wrinkle to the expression “sharing a platform”.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
https://www.thefader.com/2020/07/30/spotify-ceo-daniel-ek-says-working-musicians-can-no-longer-release-music-only-once-every-three-to-four-years
So basically he’s saying Give us your music all the time as soon as you can even if it’s shite , we will decide if it fits our criteria and promote only what we see as worthy for playlist selection whilst still paying almost nothing to the artist.Yeh nice one Dan.... 😂 https://t.co/xOC6b2lvUu— Geoff Barrow (@jetfury) July 31, 2020
The mask is off: if there was ever a question about whether they care about quantity or quality, it’s over, and anyone who’s defended this guy and Spo business practices to me (many of you) should feel very silly right about now. Like you should probably shut the fuck up forever https://t.co/IY2uTLLPmU— Telefon Tel Aviv (@telefontelaviv) July 31, 2020
Spotify exposing their true colours. And in true tech giant style in the middle of a world wide crisis 👏👏👏 Disaster capitalism at it's finest. https://t.co/2Mr9qmT0Jr— Tripeo (@tripeotechno) July 31, 2020
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
it is the sort of thing thom yorke would say in 2007, and the other stuff in those reaction tweets doesn't necessarily follow.
― a morley steve vai bad horsie what? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link
it is definitely an attack on the album experience, but one could maintain quality and similar quantity. it's mostly a marketing suggestion, and that's what makes it a shit thing to say. "if you aren't making money. it must be that you're doing it wrong. it's not that the streaming model pays fewer artists a living wage than the pre-internet model."
― a morley steve vai bad horsie what? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
there are artists who've made it today that wouldn't have pre-internet. they probably did so with some modern internet marketing hustle, but it certainly doesn't seem like there's been a 1-to-1 replacement of music money losers with new winners with marketing styles fitter for the "future landscape." it seems like the "future landscape" probably sustains fewer artists.
― a morley steve vai bad horsie what? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:25 (four years ago) link
the reaction to this has been way OTT imo
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link
If it came for anyone but the creepy looking CEO it could be a useful discussion of how things work now.
Isn't Spotify still completely unprofitable? Dude's trying to shore up a Ponzi scheme that pays the bare minimum to artists by trying to compete on podcasts and video and could collapse if investors ever actually desire getting money back.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 31 July 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
otm about creepy looking CEO. but many growth stories are unprofitable in the beginning. some of them go on to be hugely profitable. if investors want to cash out, others will invest if they believe user number and revenue growth support the story. we always act like these extremely common scenarios are somehow special for spotify.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
it's all amplified, but there will have to be something real there to support the growth story.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
should probably replace "go on to be hugely profitable" with "grow revenues and userbase, causing the stock price to go up and generating more wealth for shareholders." it is a bad situation, but it is the same bad situation everywhere.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
idk I think there’s a meaningful difference between an artist reacting to a new market environment and a businessman prescribing the direction they should go
― brimstead, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
was referring to the 'ponzi scheme' sensationalism which could be applied to every ipo ever
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
we always act like these extremely common scenarios are somehow special for spotify.
I didn't say it was unique to Spotify?
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
Yeah, this is it, I think. I suppose music industry bosses have collectively exercised just as much control over musicians' careers in the past but there hasn't been this single figure (who none of them technically work for) saying it all out loud.
I do think Geoff Barrow has possibly misread Ek's emphasis: I don't think he was necessarily saying the frequency of the releases was the issue so much as the 'engagement with fans'. Which is indeed vomit-inducing.
― Alba, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
xp right, fair enough. it just seems like you'd recognize it as 'not a Ponzi scheme' then. because it is definitely not a Ponzi scheme unless almost everything is somehow.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:37 (four years ago) link
Almost every web 3.0 venture capital-ed project has been.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
ok
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
Trying to imagine some of my favorite artists - Kate Bush, Miles Davis, Nick Drake - "engaging with fans" in order to hope to make a living
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link
music industry bosses have collectively exercised just as much control over musicians' careers in the past
Not to put on rose-tinted glasses, but at least in the label system there was maybe more of a recognition that you could make money from different niches. Now that it's focused on the platform, you're either an artist with a substantial fanbase apart from streaming, or you're at the mercy of Spotify deciding your music fits a certain mood-based algorithm (which obviously favors certain types of music, often suited for background listening).
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link
xp two of those require just a bit more imagination than the other
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, July 31, 2020 bookmarkflaglink
I think you should take off your rose-tinted glasses and revisit the era of big-box retailers getting into music sales back in the 90s*. That was absolutely a precursor to all of this - when the major labels became more or less beholden to these massive corporate entities that were not actually in the music business but could shift massive amounts of the small number of artists who filled their one or two aisles or end caps. This was a major first step in deprioritizing actual record stores and thus a whole population of artists who relied on those stores to survive. And in the era of Napster, it was the influence of retailers like Wal-Mart and Best Buy that steered major labels away from negotiating partnership with Napster, which itself led to the huge boom in online piracy in the 00s. Another hit against artists. By the time Spotify came along the labels were so weak they had no leverage and no alternatives. And indie labels/artists are caught up in all of this whether they like it or not.
*not to mention record labels have a long history of screwing over artists with regard to royalties and contracts, regardless of whether there is a third party co-conspirator (radio, Wal-Mart, Ticketmaster, Spotify).
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
I'm not a defender of Spotify's royalty practices, and I have a lot of sympathy for artists who are struggling because they are stuck inside of a machine that actively makes it challenging for them to earn a living from the very art that powers the machine.
But there has always been a corporate gatekeeper *in league with* the record labels. Radio payola, big box stores, Ticketmaster, Starbucks, Clear Channel, and now Apple, Spotify, and Google. And there have always been artists on the losing end of that - in fact the majority of artists are on the losing end. Every article written about how terrible Spotify is always seems to neglect that they are only one signature on the contracts they sign with massive media conglomerates who have *never* cared about supporting the artists they represent.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
Good points, although I'm thinking about this from an indie artist perspective, not major labels really.
Absolutely right that the game has always been rigged, and it's not like we're going to go back to a previous version anyway, but I find the current flavor to be particularly depressing.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
xps I mean Nick Drake wasn’t psychologically fit for the music industry in the late ‘60s either
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
no one is "psychologically fit" for the upper tiers of the music industry imochapelle's routine about how hollywood drives people crazy applies
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link
I don't think it's possible to imagine a system in which indie artists are uniquely supported, because all the leverage of any deal with artists or indie labels is dictated by how negotiations with the major labels are worked out. Again, see Ticketmaster, Clear Channel, et al. Never in the history of the music business has a multi-million-dollar business made it a point to look out for the little guy. The only true instances of that are when similar but separate independent-minded infrastructure is created--pirate radio, indie record stores. Bandcamp.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Which is why people are especially frustrated by their rhetoric, I think (since it's posed as empowering, anyone can do it if they just adapt to their system & aesthetics).
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
that's a fair point
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 1 August 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link
ok , [deep breath] , FUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU https://t.co/cogeljJVZM— Conrad Tao (@conradtao) July 31, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 August 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
🐦[ok , [deep breath] , FUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU https://t.co/cogeljJVZM🕸— Conrad Tao (@conradtao) July 31, 2020🕸]🐦
― Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
he's kind of an outlier among classical musicians
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link
There are occasional downsides to working at a company whose CEO gives unscripted interviews.
Although if you're going to get pissed at individual quotes, it's worth at least reading the whole thing.
https://musically.com/2020/07/30/spotify-ceo-talks-covid-19-artist-incomes-and-podcasting-interview/
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
tao's a good guy
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
Personally, I think there's a deep economic truth behind the unfortunate quantity-over-quality-implying comment about release frequency, which is that the shift from CD purchasing to streaming subscriptions is among many other things a populist shift in purchasing power. People (like me) who spent $1000s on CDs every year used to direct $1000s of music spending each, and most people directed more like $10s of spending. If you bought the first Telefon Tel Aviv album, I'm betting it was in a stack of CDs you carried to the register that week, like you did many weeks. Whereas if you were buying 2 CDs a year, the chances are really good that neither of them was Telefon Tel Aviv. Some artists and some whole scenes were thus basically supported by the highest spenders in a kind of patronage system. Those fans almost certainly didn't listen 100x as much, so the effective rate of $ earned per listen in 2000 was probably a ton higher for Telefon Tel Aviv than, say, Britney Spears.
With streaming subscriptions, the people who used to direct $1000s of spending now direct $120. Some of the people who used to direct $10s now direct $120, too, and the ones who use ad-supported Spotify still direct $10s. The gap is an order of magnitude smaller, and it's thus a lot hard to get by with a smaller number of higher-spending fans. Telefon Tel Aviv now gets the same amount per listen as Britney. (Actually, a tiny bit more, due to the way streaming royalties are pooled, but nothing like before.) Calling this unfair assumes that the previous disparity of spending was itself "fair", which seems like a moral stretch, or at least an oversimplification.
I don't direct Spotify business policies, but I do work on its algorithms and features, and I take Ek's comment as a correct statement of current fact. Streaming, in 2020, is probably generally better for the kinds of artists who are more inclined towards continuous fan engagement. If you're BTS, streaming is working fine for you. If you're Zola Jesus, you need more help than you're currently getting. But literally nobody thinks we're done. It's part of my job to try to figure out what that help could be, and in general what the future could be. Maybe it's as simple as adding higher-price tiers so people who are willing to spend more can.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
higher price tiers that function like Patreon for your favorite acts, like you get some kind of perk if you are a top listener of a band, ticket discounts or band swag, etc.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link
piece of Gene Simmons's tongue
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
like we haven't all had too much of that already
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
four square but for listens, earn clout by being the top fan of a band
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
band sets its MySpace-esque Top 8
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
I would totally be pumped about being a top fan for my favorite bands
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
What is "continuous fan engagement" anyway? Is that about releasing music or something else? Talking to them on Instagram?
― Alba, Monday, 3 August 2020 00:46 (four years ago) link
cardigans
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 August 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link
― Boring, Maryland, Monday, 3 August 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link
you have to sell cardigans to your fans. and you better start writing a song about cardigans to justify it.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 August 2020 03:32 (four years ago) link
predictably depressing thread
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 August 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link
xp good points glenn
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 3 August 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link
so has anyone heard of it or what
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 3 August 2020 12:18 (four years ago) link
It's part of my job to try to figure out what that help could be, and in general what the future could be. Maybe it's as simple as adding higher-price tiers so people who are willing to spend more can.
I don't think the people who were buying stacks of cds were doing so because they particularly cared about how the artists were making a living, or liked spending money on music. They were just obsessed with music and wanted to hear it, and could afford to make it happen.
Patreon-like tiers for b-sides and merch drops would be gross, but sure, there's probably a small subset of music fans who would pay more if they knew that their streaming would directly give their favorite artists a lot more revenue per stream. It's hard to imagine streaming platforms highlighting the fact that their regular tier subscription doesn't do much for most artists though.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
Play tax (wealth tax) your Britney Spearses for your Teflon Tel Avivs.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link
With streaming subscriptions, the people who used to direct $1000s of spending now direct $120. Some of the people who used to direct $10s now direct $120, too, and the ones who use ad-supported Spotify still direct $10s.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
Not that it absolves Spotify of anything, but there were obviously two sides in these negotiations. Record labels, who supposedly represent their artists, didn't seem to be up to the task of fighting on their behalf for better terms.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
CEO should just admit he doesn't like Tom Scholz and be done with it
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
Anyone with the disposable income to do otherwise (i.e. actually buy music) who instead now only listens to music via Spotify et al, does not actually care about music, whatever they tell themselves. They don't care about artists, they don't care about sustaining cultures, they don't have a "connection" to music--it's just a lifestyle accoutrements, audio flare in lieu of a personality.
If music ever meant anything to them before, it doesn't, now--and they're happy to let it become another commodity, another industry that has only a wealthy few at the top and a bunch of hobbyists doing their best to create art only when jobbing hasn't run them so tired physically, mentally and emotionally that they can't anymore. Particularly during a global pandemic that has cut off the few avenues for earning money from music that Spotify et al allowed to continued.
If you're on ILM and you "love music" and it's "central to your identity" and you still have a job but music is another subscription on the pile, I hope you'll take a long hard look at whether you really care about music and musicians at all.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
is anybody on ILM actually doing that
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link
Spotify essentially has streamlined "album sales" with "radio promotion", but it doesn't pay musicians enough. Apple Music pays artists double what Spotify does. TIDAL pays triple-- and costs the same as Spotify for a monthly subscription.
Daniel Ek can say "Zola Jesus needs to start doing 18-month album cycles" but it's deflection. Spotify need to start paying artists fairly-- they have a near-hegemony on the market. I know it's dopey but I just keep telling people to use TIDAL for streaming, it's a better service in every way and I'd rather see Mr. Carter get rich than this Swedish pancake
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:48 (four years ago) link
I don't think it should be incumbent upon consumers to "care about music" enough to pay more. The model needs to compensate artists fairly. Spotify is exploitative and needs to be forced to change, or it needs to be destroyed.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
the "bands need to release albums more frequently" is just furthering the treatment of music as a commodity, and it's fuckin' dumb.
as far as Spotify, I only use it to play albums that I previously purchased on cd where I can't locate the cd, or random 80s power ballad playlists. but there are definitely many people I know who use it in lieu of purchasing music.
really no excuse not to buy albums in 2020.
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
Apple Music pays artists double what Spotify does. TIDAL pays tripleHow about YouTube Music? (that’s the one I use)
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
I disagree. Streaming is amazing, efficient, consumer-friendly, artist-friendly, there is nothing wrong with the model. It's just they don't pay artists enough, and they can afford to.
It was told to me once, but in conspiratorial tones-- that apparently the reason why labels won't stand up to Spotify's shitty model is that there is some extremely-profitable reason why they ought not to that involves "the fact that a vast majority of streamed music is the work of legacy acts that the labels themselves own". I don't remember the details, but I think the issue is that the major labels are making out just fine with this exploitive model, so there's no pressure to adjust to support artists themselves
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
https://www.dittomusic.com/blog/how-much-do-music-streaming-services-pay-musicians
This is a calculator for how much each streaming service pays-per-play. I don't know if Youtube Music is any different from just "listening to music on Youtube" but Youtube is famously the stingiest
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link
xp i have to assume that's true or else the model wouldn't stand!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
Is it obscure information that all of the streaming services--Spotify, Apple, Tidal, shit, Napster--pay literal micro-pennies? That artists can have hundreds of thousands of streams and get paid the equivalent of dozens or maybe hundreds of album purchases?
Like to say one is paying triple another--it's understood that the "best" of them is paying a tiny fraction of what artists--even small-time, independent artists--could've made when people bought music? That even if they redistributed the money they're making more equitably, it wouldn't come close to adding up to a sustainable market where there's room for anything between mega-stars and hobbyists?
Do people not know that the subscription fees they pay (what, $10/month?) don't go to the artists they themselves listen to (which would still be a trivial amount compared to say digital album sales through Bandcamp)?
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
In July I listened to 2600 tracks. Let's say 2000 of them I'd never heard before or hadn't already paid for in the past in some way.
What is the right way to pay for that kind of service in such a way that would reward the hundreds of artists I listened to last month?
I usually end up buying the stuff I've listened to more than a handful of times. I'm also willing to purchase releases without actually downloading them (but then you're already more into a model like Patreon) and just streaming a remote version as before.
― nashwan, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
xpost lot of people justify it with "well buying albums only helps the record companies, they make way more selling merch at shows". which whether that's true or not, doesn't help a lot right now eitehr way.
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link
I disagree. Streaming is amazing, efficient, consumer-friendly, artist-friendly, there is nothing wrong with the model.
In what possible ways is it "artist-friendly"?
I mean, you can want to feel that to be true, so that you can feel good about streaming and put the responsibility for the fact that it's made most artists' work almost literally worthless--but you need to understand it's not true and be willing to be OK with that.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
it really doesn't seem worth the effort to rail against streaming as a product--it's out there, there's no unringing that bell.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
Let's try a little experiment.
Looked on Bandcamp, which always keeps a tally of how much has been spent by music buyers there in the last 30 days. Right now, says $13 million (it's been as high as $20 million in recent months, in part due to the fact they're doing a day a month where they don't take their usual 10%-15% cut).
Per the calculator tool someone shared above--which seems to round up a bit on the micro-fractional per-stream values I've seen elsewhere--it takes 3,000,000,000 (THREE BILLION) streams to theoretically pay out $13 million.
But gotcha! Not all of that $13 mil. went to artists! Ok, so Let's say after the Bandcamp 10% to 15% cut, that leaves roughly $11 million. Let's say since most artists on Bandcamp are wholly independent or are with small independent labels that presumably treat their artists OK, that really only half of that is actually going to artists, so $5.5 million.
That's still 1,250,000,000--1.25 BILLION--streams to pay artists what Bandcamp has paid in 30 days. Divided by say 12 tracks per "album" equivalent, that's 104,166,167 albums. I'm pretty damn sure Bandcamp didn't sell 100 million albums to pay artists what they've paid in the last 30 days.
How is it justifiable to not buy albums and pay artists in 2020, if you have any ability financially to do otherwise?
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
https://www.dittomusic.com/blog/how-much-do-music-streaming-services-pay-musiciansThis is a calculator for how much each streaming service pays-per-play. I don't know if Youtube Music is any different from just "listening to music on Youtube" but Youtube is famously the stingiestThanks for this. It probably falls under Google Play Music, which is the service Google is discontinuing in favor of YTM
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:19 (four years ago) link
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, August 3, 2020 10:56 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
major labels own a significant minority stake in spotify. sony sold about 50% of its share in spotify for $750m+ in 2018 (they claimed they would share the gains from the sale with artists and labels affiliated with sony, but idk if this actually happened).
https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/sony-has-sold-half-of-its-spotify-shares-1202794230/
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
@ Soundslike
There is no point in comparing "album sales" with "revenue from digital streaming". They are not comparable. They are different things.
Spotify is a streamlining of radio and album sales. Radio never paid shit-- it always got a pass because it was seen as "promotion for album sales". Spotify effectively replaces both the need for radio and album sales.
And that rules. Except: there needs to be a sustainable economic model in place (i.e. one that pays artists fairly) if it's going to work.
Streaming services fucking rule. I love TIDAL (it's the only one I use). I love playlists, I love having everything ever recorded at my fingertips. I loved selling all my CDs, I loved storing the gigabytes of music that I had in my iTunes folder on a hard drive and freeing up all that space. It is consumer friendly. It is also artist friendly-- provided it pays artists fairly, which it doesn't.
I also love my turntable and buying albums that I love enough to want a physical copy of.
*I'm just saying "Spotify" to denote all streaming services.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
Anyone with the disposable income to do otherwise (i.e. actually buy music) who instead now only listens to music via Spotify et al, does not actually care about music, whatever they tell themselves.
okay?
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
@ SoundslikeThere is no point in comparing "album sales" with "revenue from digital streaming". They are not comparable. They are different things.Spotify is a streamlining of radio and album sales. Radio never paid shit-- it always got a pass because it was seen as "promotion for album sales". Spotify effectively replaces both the need for radio and album sales.And that rules. Except: there needs to be a sustainable economic model in place (i.e. one that pays artists fairly) if it's going to work.Streaming services fucking rule. I love TIDAL (it's the only one I use). I love playlists, I love having everything ever recorded at my fingertips. I loved selling all my CDs, I loved storing the gigabytes of music that I had in my iTunes folder on a hard drive and freeing up all that space. It is consumer friendly. It is also artist friendly-- provided it pays artists fairly, which it doesn't.I also love my turntable and buying albums that I love enough to want a physical copy of.*I'm just saying "Spotify" to denote all streaming services.
It's cool that you love all that, but given the reality of what Spotify et al *ARE* rather than what they would be if they paid artists fairly--which is to say, the opposite of what they actually are--then what you don't love or respect is music or artists.
Again, how is what *is* artist friendly? Saying "SUVs are great for bicyclists and pedestrians and the environment, if they just treated them fairly" isn't helpful--the thing is systemically designed from the ground up to hurt artists.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
bonus benchmark streaming payments specific to artists above and beyond royalties at specific spin numbers seems entirely appropriate
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
the thing is systemically designed from the ground up to hurt artists.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
@ Soundslike, your analogies are nonsensical. Artists want their music to be heard, they want for their music to be paid for. "Ownership" is stupid, it's a blip. You don't "own" an MP3 (any more than you can "own" data on a CD).
My view is this, which might be seen as pessimistic as a professional purveyor of recorded music: "recorded music = a saleable product" is a blip. It's only been the case for 100 years, and it is no longer the case. You cannot sell recorded music any more-- it is a dead resource.
I can bang on on here about how "Spotify needs to pay artists better" but it's just not gonna happen. TIDAL will collapse in five years. People will stop buying albums off Bandcamp once they realize that "digital ownership" is less preferable than a streaming subscription.
We are speeding toward a future where musicians just won't be making money off recorded music the way they once were... other solutions on this thread include Patreons and so forth. My long-standing argument is that the music industry (prior to the advent of recorded music) was always state and patron sponsored, and, in the classical music world, this is still the case. We just need for governments to start heavily subsidizing musicians to create their recorded work. In Canada it's working pretty well, most professional musicians get enough from the government to eke out a living, and this subsidization constitutes an infinitesimal amount of the overall budget-- why not double that budget?
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:31 (four years ago) link
I treat Spotify like it's Soulseek or something, an accessible form of piracy.
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
(I use both but spend a bunch of dough on records and, formerly, shows.)
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
If Ek et al. were to actually reform their pay structure that'd be pretty cool. I'm gonna keep screaming for it to happen. I don't think it will happen.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
Funny to say "buying music just doesn't exist" and "streaming is the only reality" when Bandcamp has majorly increased the amount of money it pays out year on year. Particularly when I made clear--based not on "owning music" but on PAYING ARTISTS via mechanisms which aren't designed to do the opposite, which is the actual point--that "blip" sized Bandcamp pays artists via tens of thousands of sales the equivalent of BILLIONS of streams.
Meaning, the genie doesn't have to be put back in the bottle--just a relatively few people who care enough to not let music become meaningless "content" that only enriches the already rich can make a SERIOUS impact. TODAY, and tomorrow, by their personal choices. Saying "oh, the zeitgeist, it is what it is, I can't but do what it says I must" is a total fucking cop-out.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
You may be interested in this thread: Stop Thinking of Yourself as a Good Person: The Ethics and Economics of Music Streaming
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
soundslike, it feels like you're preaching to the choir here, idk if there are any regular ilm posters who don't buy lots of music from bandcamp or elsewhere.
spotify's pay structure indeed sucks, but it seems like more of your ire should be directed towards the traditional music industry, which is experiencing record revenues even as artist pay decreases.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
also feels a little unnecessarily ad hominem to accuse fgti of not loving or respecting music or artists when he's in fact a professional musician who has a very real stake in all of this.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
Not ad hominem, just blunt. Sorry, frustrations with the state of the world are obviously far larger than music; but music is one area where we can still have some direct, meaningful impact on an individual level via what we choose to support (or not support). It sounds to me like FGTI has very much convinced himself everything is great about streaming except, you know, the whole fundamental reason it exists, which is to enrich a few tech types and a few token rich artists at the expense of everyone else--a feature, not a bug. So if I bluntly state that that's a cop-out, it's not ad hominem--I'm not saying it's due to a flaw in his character or something out of his control; I'm saying the justifications ring hollow, and haven't yet heard a reason otherwise besides somehow it's just too late to do anything else but stream.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
And maybe I'm being harsh because my frustrations aren't with "normal people" here--he's right, that for people with a fully casual relationship to music, who in prior generations would've just listened to radio or MTV and bought the occasional cassette or CD, streaming is just obvious.
Rather, my frustrations are with people--the number of whom I encounter shocks me, not per se on ILM--who profess to love music, or maybe even are (were) artists themselves, who are often very intelligent and passionate, who nevertheless have decided there's nothing they can do and might as well give up on paying artists myself and hope for some change of heart at Spotify headquarters or some other deus ex machina.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
To put it more briefly, a lot of "the choir" is still singing, but lost its religion and quit tithing a long time ago.
I hope, and assume, that all this applies to very few ILMers. But I've seen enough elsewhere to suggest it might apply to more than I'd want to believe.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
if you assume it applies to very few ILMers, why are you basically doing a TEDtalk on it here.
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
A mega-long thread on a music-loving site about Spotity/streaming, in light of particularly galling "let them eat tech" tech-bro nonsense seemed like a reasonable place to weigh in?
I guess I might also have been looking for other thoughts that might put me at ease a little somehow, by providing some information I wasn't aware of wherein it's actually not as bad for artists as I've feared. Still hoping for that. But so far I've mainly gotten the most full-throated "streaming is the best [just ignore what artists get paid/it is what it is we might as well give up]" position I've encountered.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
The “blip” I’m talking about is a hundred-year blip— recorded music itself is culturally valuable, but increasingly becoming monetarily valueless.
Bandcamp sales are a portion of my own income. But, as is always the case with any “new thing”, I have to consider what the future will hold from the perspective of the consumer, not what I believe I am entitled to as an artist.
When Napster came out, many musicians were horrified. I was not— I was delighted, and totally fine with the idea of my work being pirated. When MP3s replaced CDs, I was on board. Spotify* is very consumer-friendly, and trying to say “stop” to something that I personally (as a consumer) prefer, is denying the fact that this is just another step forward toward the inevitable— the complete monetary devaluation of recorded music.
I’m saying: “let’s get Spotify to pay musicians fairly” or “use TIDAL, it’s better in this regard”, or “support me on my Bandcamp” but my common sense is also thinking “this just won’t work, we’re screwed”.
I predict that Bandcamp will stay popular but will wane as a reliable source of income for musicians. I predict TIDAL will go down in five years unless there is a cultural shift to pivot platforms (by artists and labels) but I don’t think that will happen. I predict Spotify will never change their pay structure unless there’s some government intervention but that won’t happen— already it’s Spotify pressuring Sweden for changes in their favour, not the other way around.
I am pragmatic both as a creator and a consumer, I encourage people to use TIDAL for streaming, Bandcamp for buying. I think about the future and I see an untenable economy for recording artists unless governments start (or continue to) subsidizing.
Of all the possible solutions to this problem, asking a government to set aside less than .1% of the annual budget to pay for musicians to make records is, I think, a very attainable one. Shaming consumers into making more ethical decisions? you’re telling us to buy Priuses. It won’t make a significant difference economically and the initiative to do so will fade over time.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
When I say “streaming rules” I am speaking from the position of a consumer, as well as a creator who prioritizes distribution and access to my recorded work over profitability.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
xp And also/especially when artists themselves are constantly posting li.sten.to links, encouraging fans to find their music on various streaming services (I made this same point in the other thread) (I do buy albums, btw/ftr)
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
Soundslike 100% otm itt
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
Priuses is otm
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
I guess it seems like "we're doomed" applies to... most anything in the world, and yeah, technically that could mean nothing matters and it never has, and all individual/collective agency is illusion. But I can't personally live like that; and in any case, in this one sphere, data suggests there actually is a way to individually/collectively do something tangible about it, without hoping tech-bros grow a conscience/a government that exists to protect corporations flips its approach entirely (both even more certain to not happen than general doom is).
A small minority always bought the bulk of non-Top 40 records, and yet some musicians were able to actually make a living, or at least not have to treat it as a mere hobby, for 100+ years (more than I'm willing to dismiss as a "blip".) As participants (or former participants) in that minority that kept things going, I don't see any compelling reason to say "Pandora's (or Spotify's) Box has been opened, I have no choice now". We could've all been people who were happy with 99% radio and the occasional Eagles greatest hits record, as most people were, for most of the history of recorded music. We didn't then, and we had a real effect; why must we, now?
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
From an email I got today, from one of my favorite artists:
So excited to announce #TodaysHits Presents... Victoria Monét with @AppleMusic.I'm reaching out to my most loyal fans to join me to celebrate Thursday night by playing my new project #JAGUAR for a select group of you before I share it with the world.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
At my label’s request I commissioned visual accompaniment to every track on my recently released record for Spotify-specific usage. Concessions were made with the specific intention of creating longevity for the release, so that tracks would continue to be placed on playlists for a longer period of time. The industry is already centred-toward-pleasing-Spotify— I just don’t know what to tell you. I would hope that streaming services like Spotify begin to take a more benevolent, symbiotic approach to their relationship with their content creators (as Netflix has done with theirs)— lets hope that Sweden brings back the guillotine or does something to adjust Spotify’s current approach, I guess.
Again: I’m interested in that once-overheard explanation for why labels are to blame, here— I heard it once but I can’t remember, something to do with “the recorded works of inactive musicians” being a huge goldmine here
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
I'm a person who has been vegan for 23 years, and hasn't driven/owned a car in 15, so I know something about feeling Sisyphean with regards to systemic change vs. individual action. (Though, I actually have seen a lot of change on those fronts on scales far wider than I could've imagined, and not because everybody suddenly became an ethics freak.)
But music doesn't really seem comparable to those sorts of things related to environmental/societal collapse. In that, you buying an album--or lots of albums--isn't negated by other people choosing to only stream (unlike your Prius vs. 10,000 SUVs). Both can coexist, and in slightly other forms (i.e. radio, Mtv) have for the duration of recorded music history. The possibility of personal efficacy--and helping others realize they can make a difference--is much more immediately viable, and doesn't require a lifetime of counting steps forward vs. others' steps backwards.
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
Well if it's true that the vast majority of Spotify users just play songs they already know, rather than searching for or listening to new music - and I think that is true - then it stands to reason that a very sizeable bulk of listening is going to be i.e. Julio Iglesias, The Temptations, Nirvana etc. Presumably the songwriting royalties go to the artists' estates though in any case?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
I think it's more like, the Prius has been around a while. People who care and have the means, they have one or suchlike. There aren't enough of them to turn the whole system around.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
if you think artists don't get properly compensated by spotify, songwriters get pennies on even that dollar
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
I didn’t try and persuade people that it was more ethical to buy CDs than to buy MP3s, so beyond telling people “tidal, Bandcamp” (as I do), what more can I tell people? My analogy with Priuses about consumer guilt was one thing but comparing streaming to SUVs is not otm imo— as previously stated my desire as an artist is wider accessibility and availability of my recorded work (not profitability).
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
One more point: Billboard just changed their chart-qualifying rules to discourage the practice of bundling merch with album/single purchases (including CD + digital copy), but this is a way that artists have actually been encouraging fans to buy copies of their music (and fans have been doing it).
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link
The Prius owner and the Bandcamp customer are not a direct analogue to the 90/00s indie CD buyer. The more casual part of purchasing market has been gutted. Not every Teflon Tel Aviv fan was a diehard.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link
Of all the possible solutions to this problem, asking a government to set aside less than .1% of the annual budget to pay for musicians to make records is, I think, a very attainable one.
this seems eminently reasonable, which is why i highly highly highly doubt this will ever happen in the u.s.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
I was saying streaming *isn't* like SUVs, in that its prevalence doesn't negate the efficacy--actual dollars in artists pockets--that buying music has.
And CDs/LPs vs digital downloads doesn't really enter into it--if anything, it's likely digital purchases put more money in artists' pockets (certainly in the case of a label-less total independent artist). So I'm not sure what "I didn't try and persuade people that it was more ethical to buy CDs than to buy MP3s" means...
― Soundslike, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
Radio never paid shit-- it always got a pass because it was seen as "promotion for album sales".
AIUI radio play in the UK used to pay better than record sales fwiw
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link
This thread has been difficult as a casual Owen Pallet fan. Also apologies to Telefon Tel Aviv who I have misspelled a couple of times now, and are still a going concern.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
I am a Canadian taxpayer at least!
Owen Pallett*Good day.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Monday, August 3, 2020 1:29 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
u.s. pays songwriters for radio play (through PROs like ASCAP and BMI), but has never paid recording artists or labels for radio play. the other countries that don't pay: north korea, iran, and china (source)
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
Apple Music and Tidal are basically the same as Spotify Premium, payment-wise, region-by-region. The ad-supported Spotify "free" tier pays less per stream, but a) still pays, b) still pays an order of magnitude more than YouTube, and c) is over time a very effective recruiting method for Premium subscribers. There's no moral difference between the individual paid streaming services at the payment level.
In addition, streaming as a whole is the overwhelming majority of recorded-music revenue at this point, and has returned the music industry to growth after years of decline. Spotify paid about $1.5 billion in royalties in Q2 2020, according to latest financial report. So I don't feel bad about supporting it as a thing. In a human cultural sense, I think people being able to listen to all the world's music is way better than gating what you can hear by what you can pay. Bandcamp is cool, but it's a glittering reprise of the old model. As a music fan, I don't want that.
In terms of payment "fairness", Spotify pays ~70% of its revenue in royalties, where iTunes downloads paid ~65% and CD stores paid ~45%. So it's not obviously "unfair" on these grounds, either. (And no, that money doesn't unfairly go to popular artists instead of "your" artists.)
I think we're still barely at the beginning of figuring out all the structural and cultural implications of streaming, and what its future can and should be, so I'm in no way saying the current state is ideal. But it doesn't have the seemingly-obvious flaws most commonly and self-righteously attributed to it.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
This thread has been difficult as a casual Owen Pallet fan.
Never listened to their music, myself, but I think they're doing OK.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:43 (four years ago) link
good good
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link
@ glenn
Apple Music and Tidal are basically the same as Spotify Premium, payment-wise, region-by-region.
I don't understand this. Tidal literally pays 3x more per stream than Spotify.
In terms of payment "fairness", Spotify pays ~70% of its revenue in royalties, where iTunes downloads paid ~65% and CD stores paid ~45%.
Comparing % of revenue of a streaming service to previously existing "album sales" models is disingenuous. It's a different service. (And, if we're playing that game, Bandcamp pays 85%.) I don't know the specifics of how revenue is disseminated, either-- where is that $1.5 bn actually going?
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
Stream-rate comparisons between "Tidal" and "Spotify" as wholes are misleading, because Spotify's "average" includes people on free accounts, and in several large countries where subscriptions are cheaper. This is a decent introduction to some of the main complexities:
https://soundcharts.com/blog/music-streaming-rates-payouts
but there's another level below that. Maybe multiple.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
If streaming revenue isn't fair for artists, why do they agree to sign contracts that include streaming? It seems to me if you're an artist, you can decide whether you choose to include streaming in the contract you sign. What am I missing here?
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
@ Glenn
They're not misleading at all: "In fact, all 6 top platforms in terms of per-stream payouts don’t have a free, ad-supported version." The entire article is basically trying-to-make-complicated-something-that-is-very-simple. Spotify's free-with-ads model doesn't pay artists enough-- so why not cancel it?
@ brotherlovesdub
There are artists who hold out. Joanna Newsom was the last unicorn afaik.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Because with every release it's the devil's bargain - do you want far fewer people to hear your record? Do you want to gamble that people will pay for physicals/downloads just to hear your record, even though everyone's used to the convenience of streaming now?
I've seen it work for some artists, mostly jazz and classical, who resolutely keep their music off streaming and have a fanbase (presumably including a lot of older listeners and musicians) who will go there. I think it's an admirable decision but not easy...most artists people to actually be able to hear the record they worked so hard on.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
They're misleading if you're a Spotify Premium customer in the US and think that you'll be helping out artists by switching to Tidal, right?
― Alba, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
driving a Prius sucks because people think they’re “slow” or something and get all cornholio driving behind you
― brimstead, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
^genuine lolxp Will Oldham was another longtime holdout; think I posted an interview quote in that other thread. Coincidentally(?), given the two artists mentioned, Drag City as a whole held out for a long time – long enough to drive certain artists away (if you believe what they say, anyway)
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
well, these streaming services are providing a mechanism for people to hear your music to potentially buy or go see you in concert. if you don't want to agree to that bargain, don't do it. complaining after the fact, after you've signed a contract, is just a bunch of sour grapes and entitled behavior. Don't like the cut you get per stream, don't sign up for streaming. it's simple. alternately, write music as popular as Beyonce or Radiohead and you'll be making millions from streaming with absolutely zero additional effort required on your part.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
I spent the morning experimenting with applying tip-jar-like extra-payment models to current Spotify listening data, and can sadly report that at any plausible level I could imagine, and even some implausible levels I couldn't imagine but tried anyway, it doesn't make a very big difference. To make notable changes, we (streaming services, I mean) are going to have to do some actual work and innovation to build better connections between fans and artists and communities.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
Starting to think Paul Heaton was right all along that the music industry should be nationalised.
― Alba, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:54 (four years ago) link
my favorite thing about driving a Prius is listening to Spotify thru the USB input
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
my least favorite thing is that my iPhone wants to autoplay "Adidas In Heat" by Adrian Belew whenever I plug it in because I bought that album on iTunes 10+ years ago
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
Glenn, are Spotify doing much work on including mixes, mixcloud-style? Because this is a what I want, had enough of playlists.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
I know there has been talk about mixes, but that's the only thing I know about it.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
if you don't want to agree to that bargain, don't do it. complaining after the fact, after you've signed a contract, is just a bunch of sour grapes and entitled behavior. Don't like the cut you get per stream, don't sign up for streaming. it's simple.
The problem is that by systemically devaluing the notion of paying for music, Spotify* have eradicated many other options for musicians. The bargain is weighted.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
Non-streaming works well for dance music too, which thrives on Bandcamp and other digital download platforms because DJs need digital files to dj with (and I don't think streaming is going to replace that for a long time, even though the waters are being tested). The most money I've ever made from digital music has been through tracks that had some popularity with DJs.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
FGTI's enthusiasm for streaming services nearly snowed under his one true complaint: it pays (way) too little. I think most here would agree that it should not take 1,000,000 streams to make $ 4,370 (as per that calculator). That's not a "fair" reimbursement for such a huge amount of plays. What is? I don't know, but I know this is way too little. The flaw is not with the service, not with "building better connections between fans and artists and their communities" (they've social media for that); the flaw is in its very fabric, in the economics behind it.
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
sigh. i can't keep up with this thread and probably at this point everybody is just shouting at each other, but i'll lay out my concerns again and probably be ignored because everybody is shouting at each other.
i am not sure i can understand the benefits of getting one's music on spotify as anything greater than that of getting into the checkout aisles at best buy, if you remember those. any artist on spotify is at best going to be an afterthought, and any hope of maintaining some sort of symbiotic relationship with spotify is... shortsighted.
because spotify, like any business in this day and age, has larger ambitions, of course, has a Strategic Plan, of course, and it doesn't stop with monopolizing music delivery on the internet. that's not _enough_, there are _limits_ to the growth that can provide.
so you _pivot_. and in this case we can already fucking tell which way spotify is pivoting, because they gave a billion fucking dollars to joe fucking rogan, am i using the word "fucking" enough here, let me know. even if spotify _were_ "ethical capitalists", you know, of course they're not going to stay that way. i have no idea if ethical consumption is possible under capitalism, but ethical monopolistic corporate control of the means of production is an idea i'm slightly skeptical of.
the problem here is one of scope, in that there are about a billion telescoping problems embedded inside each other. on the top level one supposes the goal is "global socialist revolution", at or the bottom level the goal is more "find something to eat for the day". spotify is somewhere in the middle. in the meantime actually not using them, either as a consumer or a producer, is increasingly unthinkable. not only are they too big to challenge, they are, like seemingly everything else these days, too precarious to even consider mounting a challenge against before they suffer a swift and unforeseen collapse.
i'm less concerned about the innate goodness or badness of spotify than the _direction_ they're moving, into what possible uses glenn's extremely clever data analysis can be put to that none of us have considered because spotify is a Music Streaming Platform.
my other concern is the increasing universality of this sort of blatantly oligarchical approach to workers and work. lack of effective collection action makes us all easy prey for "divide and conquer" tactics. i am fascinated by the three-year Recording Ban that occurred in the 1940s. i don't think such a thing would be feasible today, but what's the alternative? "negotiate" from a position of utter weakness, utter insignificance, with giants. it's farcical.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
Also I'm curious if Ek's comments are actually about shortening album cycles to 12 - 18 months, or does he think that artists should be releasing singles every month (or constantly)?
On the one hand I would mourn the devaluing of the album, because I like the idea of musicians building a discography of long-form works. And making a career out of a steady stream of more disposable music seems kinda depressing. But on the other hand, I totally recognize that this idea of the album that we all grew up with is also totally artificial and a product of capitalism and technology.
Still, while technology and the market will always affect how people make music, it's not like this is a natural and inevitable process, it doesn't have to be this way.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
I will try not to repeat this too many times, but the numbers suggest that subscription streaming services have actually done not too badly at convincing people to spend money on music again. It would take 4-5 more years of continued growth for streaming revenue to reach the CD-era peak, adjusted for inflation, and it's hardly certain that that will happen. But it doesn't look as impossible as it once did.
The RIAA has an interactive chart thing you can play with here, including an inflation adjuster: https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/
(This chart is "music industry" revenue, not royalties, which overstates higher-margin CD sales vs lower-margin streaming; and it's just the US.)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
@ LBI
Yes, I am concerned about this as well. This is why I'm curious about this secret-arrangement-between-Spotify-and-major-labels that I once heard whispered about. These billions of dollars of revenue have to be going somewhere
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link
Also, I'm definitely aware of the possibility of doing more harm than good with algorithmic tools. But the music industry was totally fucked when I got to it, so the bar is...reassuringly low.
(xpost: Spotify is a public company, you can read the extremely boring financial reports if you want to know where the money goes...)
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
And to be clear: I am enthusiastic about streaming services strictly as a consumer, and as an artist who desires for my work to have high levels of accessibility. This enthusiasm does not negate or skew my simultaneous criticism that we need for Spotify's payout model to change, or for people to be urged to move to a more "benevolent" platform such as TIDAL. This criticism also does not negate or skew my pessimism that things will actually get ineffably worse regardless, and that we'll have to consider other methods of creating a sustainable way for recording artists to get paid-- which, as I've proposed above, is state funding-- which makes up for a significant portion of my own personal income as a Canadian. (Interestingly, I don't think that this is too much of a stretch for similar models to be developed/implemented/improved in USA, despite a poster's expressed pessimism upthread.)
@ glenn, can you link to those boring reports? I'm interested!
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
https://investors.spotify.com/financials/default.aspx
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
I had an idea for a tiered system of payouts based on numbers of monthly streams, such as:
0-1000 = $0.01 a stream1001-5000 = $0.009 a stream5000-10000 = $0.008 a stream
and so on, until the highest tier is below Spotify's current mean payout = $0.0002 a stream, for example.
That said, such a model presents so many ways that it can be exploited that it'd require a heavy amount of oversight and auditing, I think-- probably too much to properly administrate
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
And you're right! it is really boring. I'll try and barge through it in the a.m. when I have caffeine in me haha
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald
i get where you're coming from on this. as much of a doomer as i have a reputation of being, as much as i repeat my mantra "things can always get worse", all you can do is whatever you do, the best you know how to do it. sometimes it seems like we've tried doing all the terrible things we can imagine with data, and you know, maybe we should see if we can do some good things with data for a change.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
Like Kate said, this thread is moving too fast for me to argue every point or high-five everyone I agree with. But the point about major labels making a ton of cash from legacy acts is probably grossly understated. Dylan, the Beatles, Pink Floyd et al. likely raking in so much money for these media companies that fighting for the new artists, outside of the 1% top earners, is probably not high on their priority lists. Because they are capitalists and people's livelihoods are second to profitability for shareholders. PS this has always been the case.
I do just want to say that I HATE when this conversation turns to blaming the consumer. I think that is a total straw-man argument that imagines some past world where all the True Artists were well off and comfortably supported by small cadres of record nerds. That has never been true.
In the pre-streaming era of the 1990s, I bought loads and loads of records every week because yes I was a huge fan. Which is to say, it was a consumer-consumption thing. At no point in my life would I have rejected the idea of getting as much or more music for a fraction of the price. That's why I actively bought used records, and often would refrain from buying something new just because I knew eventually it would show up used. Oops, no royalties for the artists in that scenario. I guess I've been anti-artist from the start, and used record stores were parasites.
Post-Napster it became the fan's fault that artists were making less money (see my post from a few days ago why I think that's a load of shit). It stopped being about consumerism and instead became about philanthropy. Like, I'm not choosing between seeing a movie or buying an LP, I'm weighing my support of the New Pornographers vs throwing some dollars toward a GoFundMe for a friend with cancer. I mean, if we're going to be honest about it and say we are supporting these artists out of a philanthropic duty, then let's do that. But the infrastructure for supporting musicians is not a non-profit model. And if we're gonna live in a world where Zola Jesus and Holly Herndon are eye-rolling Daniel Ek and ILM posters have to proclaim that they *always* buy music directly from the artist if they've listened to it on Spotify a certain number of times.... well, that ain't sustainable and yr shaking your fist at a cloud.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link
I don’t totally buy “albums are an invention of capitalism” thing... the idea of listening to the same performer for 40 minutes wasn’t a new thing but of course obviously it’s a violent capitalist simulation of the real thing
― brimstead, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link
That's why I actively bought used records, and often would refrain from buying something new just because I knew eventually it would show up used. Oops, no royalties for the artists in that scenario. I guess I've been anti-artist from the start, and used record stores were parasites.
Excellent point.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
I keep coming back to the notion that streaming services (DSPs???) are a fusion of radio and purchasing. Many, many tracks I listen to on Spotify I never listen to again. Because I'm basically just checking them out, like I might on a specialist radio programme, or in a YouTube wormhole. Sometimes, though, I find something I really like, and I'll favourite it, or add it to a playlist. A few really exalted tracks will become trusty favourites that I really return to again and again.
It seems crazy to me that the DSPs don't make any distinction in this usage for the purposes of billing me. i.e. the tracks I don't particularly care for and listen to once are free. And the tracks I come back to again and again are also free. (When I say free, I mean part of my subscription). Why not... ask me to pay 99p the third time I listen to a particular song in full? I would totally do that.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 August 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
Didn't Garth Brooks try to ban the sale of used CDs once?
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
glenn please do the board a solid and link the secret second ledger, thanks
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
Why not... ask me to pay 99p the third time I listen to a particular song in full? I would totally do that.
Well OK, but at that point you'd kind of expect to own the file, as for 99p you could just buy it off iTunes or wherever. And Spotify have never been in the mp3 (or Ogg Vorbis) selling business, right?
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
The... file?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:03 (four years ago) link
I'm just an unfrozen caveman, Alba
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
What is this FLAC of which I have heard the learned speak
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:06 (four years ago) link
I've heard this argument before and it is nonsense. Fact is that someone, at some point in the chain, paid $16-$18 for that CD / record, the artist share of which would require thousands of streams to equal
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
well, these streaming services are providing a mechanism for people to hear your music to potentially buy or go see you in concert. if you don't want to agree to that bargain, don't do it. complaining after the fact, after you've signed a contract, is just a bunch of sour grapes and entitled behavior. Don't like the cut you get per stream, don't sign up for streaming. it's simple. alternately, write music as popular as Beyonce or Radiohead and you'll be making millions from streaming with absolutely zero additional effort required on your part.― brotherlovesdub, Monday, August 3, 2020 3:50 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think you have the slightest idea what you are talking about
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link
Ok, i could accept that i'm wrong. Care to tell me where my comment strays from reality? I'm not a musician and have never read or signed a contract. Perhaps you have and can shed some light on it.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link
In the 80s, I bought way more bootleg records than I do now
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:04 (four years ago) link
For starters, many artists don't negotiate those terms - their labels do. And very few labels take a poll of the artists on their roster before agreeing to these deals. I don't know if anti-streaming artists like Zola Jesus are on Spotify but I'm willing to bet many of them are because they had no say in the matter.
write music as popular as Beyonce or Radiohead and you'll be making millions from streaming with absolutely zero additional effort required on your part
and this is just silly. No one sets out to write unpopular music. The freakiest of free jazzers still want an audience. There are obviously many factors that determine success, and very few of them have anything to do with talent, ability, or hard work. Surely you know this
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
I mean, that’s not what they were suggesting so much as “no money? try harder” which is... wrong but not wrong.
My experience with “giving advice to potential professional musicians” is actually the opposite— to maintain an amateur relationship to one’s music-making for as long as possible. The sweet spot is “have a day job, keep music as a lucrative hobby”. I’ve only ever encountered two emerging musicians and told them “do this as your job you’re doing great” and one of them was Grimes in 2011, ha.
Music-making just isn’t lucrative enough for anyone to consider it as a career option, and furthermore, pegging a requirement of saleability/profitability on your art practice literally makes you crazy, makes music-making feel hollow and empty, and eventually leads all music-makers to die broke, alone, depressed, and buried in a pauper’s grave.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link
hmm idk sounds kinda rock n roll
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 02:02 (four years ago) link
Don't know if I'm a regular ILM poster anymore, but I've been here long enough. And I literally have not bought an album in years because I have a Spotify subscription, which I make use of every single day.
It sucks that the business model isn't friendly to artists, but buying music out of guilt just feels like a waste of time. (How do I decide whose music to buy and whose to stream? What do I do with it once I've bought it? Put it on a hard drive in a drawer?)
I pay $120/year for Spotify. In the pre-streaming era, I'd guess there were maybe only a couple of years when I spent much more than that on new music. I bought a handful of new albums but acquired most through trading and file-sharing. With streaming, I'm happy not to have to scrounge as much as I used to. And for that convenience, I would gladly spend twice as much on Spotify as I do.
Maybe I never actually *loved* music because I never dropped half my paycheck at a beloved record store every week. But I'm also not sure that I would have continued to care about new music past my 30s had I not been able to access it as easily.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link
as someone who has been working music industry adjacent for the past fifteen years, i would suggest that i have never known an artist who has gotten by on record sales. everybody i know who makes a living making music makes money on commission, composing, touring, licensing, merch, songwriting, celebrity, marrying rich, being born rich.which is not to say it doesn't happen! but i think it's about as likely as getting a job playing in the nba.which is not to say it shouldn't happen more often! but pretending that streaming is what's put an end to the halcyon days of artists living of royalties is ahistorical.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link
which is to say, fgti and pgwp otm
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:10 (four years ago) link
I bought a lot of CDs once upon a time (more than jaymc but probably well down the ILM ranks) but I haven't owned anything that could play a CD in more than half a decade - I tried to get into vinyl and I completely get the special joy of putting on The Shape of Jazz to Come or Dopesmoker and listening to it in its entirety vs. skipping around as iTunes and now streaming pushes me to do but I just don't like dedicating the space and resources.
I pay for Spotify, I have Apple Music via a family sharing thing that my brother pays for, and I buy stuff from small artists on Bandcamp just to support them... but there's really nothing else musicians/the industry could do to get more out of me. I don't want merch or special access to an artist's social media, ticket discounts wouldn't mean much because I don't go to anything large enough for tickets to be expensive.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:27 (four years ago) link
Jaymc's post is eerily word for word what I could have written about my own experience.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:30 (four years ago) link
When I was in my 20s I was probably spending about £200 a month on vinyl/CDs but then you get older and have car/house/kids etc there's just no way I could afford to spend that much anymore.
So I now have Spotify and I maybe buy one or two CDs a year, usually direct from small record labels (and I reckon at least the last six or seven I bought are still unopened in their cellophane wrapping)
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link
And for that convenience, I would gladly spend twice as much on Spotify as I do.
This to me is a huge component. Spotify/streaming being so much cheaper than just about any other media service (cable, hulu, netflix, amazon, etc, etc,) while at the same time being orders of magnitude more comprehensive than any of these other services (i.e. you pretty much get nearly all new big releases with a single streaming service whereas for tv/film you would need a minimum of 2-3 services to get even decent coverage).
In my view Spotify should be at least in the $40-50 per month range before you even get into the record company shenanigans on accounting. And I am going to venture that the main reason why it is not in that range is that Spotify have researched and found that they would have vastly fewer subscribers than they do, it would have taken longer to become a market leader, and it would have delayed them from getting to their precious IPO, which was the end goal all along.
― Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 14:13 (four years ago) link
The Spotify IPO was, very unusually, a direct listing with no additional stock sold. So pretty much the laborious opposite of a cash-out.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 14:55 (four years ago) link
And Spotify have never been in the mp3 (or Ogg Vorbis) selling business, right?
I definitely remember a time, possibly about a decade ago, when there were "buy" buttons in the track listings, for downloading the corresponding mp3s for an extra fee. It may only have worked for parts of the catalogue for all I remember, and I don't think it lasted more than a few months.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link
Ah, I'd forgotten that.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
and this is just silly. No one sets out to write unpopular music.
― Paul Ponzi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Unwanted_Song
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
<3
― sleeve, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
The Spotify mp3 buy was real. Spotify didn’t distinguish between full length mixes and a 3 minute track so I was able to download the full length mix of some of the Late Night Tales albums for a fraction of the cost of buying each track seperately.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 07:30 (four years ago) link
i guess i found my hill to die on pic.twitter.com/Sgv3AkgnHs— ZOLA JESUS OF TSUSHIMA (@ZOLAJESUS) August 5, 2020
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
made me think of fgti itt:
For 100,000 streams Spotify pays $400.....Apple pays $600.....Tidal pays $2,800. Unfortunately none of y’all fuck with Tidal....it’s either Spotify or Apple Music....lol the black business pays more and gets the least amount of love. Smh— Trizz (@Tr1zz) July 31, 2020
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link
they also charge more, came late to the party, bellyflopped their initial publicity push and have been playing catch up since. which is not to say i couldn't see switching over to them at some point in the future! just that their lack of market share is not inexplicable.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:42 (four years ago) link
This is unfair but the "founding member" artists of Tidal are almost all people I loathe and want to see go bankrupt.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:47 (four years ago) link
I liked Tidal when I tried it, though its interface is almost an exact Spotify clone (for better or worse). If I had to give up YTM for some reason, I would probably go with Tidal.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 06:37 (four years ago) link
Tidal pays 70% of their revenue in royalties, divided up by streams the same way Spotify and Apple pay. The "rate" is not a thing in itself, it's just the result of dividing total royalties paid by total streams. Tidal's main draw is the $20/mo HiFi plan, which nobody else offers, so presumably a significant share of their subscribers pay for that, but if 100m Spotify users all moved over to Tidal's regular $10 plan because Tidal's "rate" is higher, the rate would go down.
Also, at last report Tidal had single-digit millions of subscribers, so if you're getting 100k streams on Tidal, you're probably Jay Z.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
Tidal's main gimmick was a circuit city home theater A/B room
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
Reading through those quarterly shareholder reports, it seems as if the main issue with Spotify (insofar as artist compensation is concerned) is the free-with-ads service. I'm torn. Saying "get rid of the free-with-ads program" is kinda classist, but how else can we get around the fact that the main DSP is giving away the music for free and making crazy profits off of it?
$10 a month for free music forever is so... reasonable, too. And ulysses otm, TIDAL's launch was embarrassing
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
A music enthusiast friend of mine, however, who had both a TIDAL and a Spotify account, said that he much preferred TIDAL's playlist creation and so forth-- he said it was generally just much higher quality than Spotify's. Anyway
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
Can artists put their own ads in the middle of albums like podcasts?
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
that would be an interesting hell
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
Sigue Sigue Sputnik lp had adverts between tracks in '86
― koogs, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link
Werent beyonce and her husband doing dodgy shit to funnel extra Tidal royalties their own way?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
Tidal was accused of that and there was an investigation, but I don't know if there is any more recent news.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link
"beyonce and her husband" would have been a far superior name for the carters
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
Sorry if this issue has been addressed already (it’s a huge thread !) : after an update, I have lost almost all my albums library (on iphone). It’s weird since when I look for a specific album that was in my library, it still has the heart/selected thing but it’s not in the library anymore...This is pretty annoying since I had a BIG albums library and it’s the main way I used the app... almost feel like quitting Spotify now that all that work has been reduced to dust...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link
Even downloaded albums have disappeared from the library although they’re still downloaded !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link
from the Pavement thread (possible chicanery):
interesting new Pavement album came out on Spotify last friday
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Is that like the (now removed) new Neutral Milk Hotel song that popped up on Spotify over the weekend? Seemed like Jeff Mangum going future bass was a 2020 twist too good to be true.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
this will be 1/2 of ILM's favorite Pavement album lmao
― Thicc Nhat Wanh (rip van wanko), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Anybody know what’s going on? There’s also a new «Yo La Tengo» single on Spotify in a similar vein, i.e relatively basic instrumental EDM
― Mule, Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:24 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Someone lost the keys to the Matador office?
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:36 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link
Thanks for bringing that over, I was about to do the same. Curious to why this is suddenly happening to prominent indie bands.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link
Useful to remember that all music is delivered to Spotify through licensors, in bulk. No artist is logging in and uploading songs, that isn't a thing (yet). So when stuff like this happens, it's not an account-security issue, it's that somebody decided to type "Moses Gunn Collective" into the "artist" field on their new release, and the artist was obscure enough that they got away with it for a few days before somebody reported it.
(It's still a real problem, mind you, and this recent spate of junk aimed at indie bands is all coming from one licensor and being investigated...)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn. Just out of curiosity, why does the obscurity of the artist matter for something like this? Why isn’t the new entry treated as a different artist (with the same name), instead of automatically linked up with an existing one?
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
I forgot to add: she continued to insist she was right after I started to GIS.
― Boring, Maryland, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
Of course, but what I’m saying is, why are they automatically linked up in the database? Why is it not treated as a different entity unless proven otherwise (whatever that would mean)? A lot of bands have identical names (historically, anyway).
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:55 (four years ago) link
I thought that problem had been solved when the Spotifys of the world finally stopped infecting the artist page for Unrest (the ‘80s/‘90s indie band) with albums & tracks by more recent hardcore/metal bands with the same name (there’s still one of those on YouTube Music, actually).
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link
We get stuff from the same real bands via multiple distributors all the time, due to the fractured nature of global licensing, so "different entity unless proven otherwise" would produce the opposite problem where one band would routinely end up with many separate profile pages that would have to be manually combined. So there's a complicated bit of software that tries to use multiple cues to figure out what the right assignments are for ambiguous submissions. It usually works, and we have a team of people checking questionable cases and fixing things. This particular case is in some ways the hardest, because a new "Moses Gunn Collective" release arrives and we've only ever seen one artist by that name, so there has to be some piece of data that really clearly indicates this is not that band. For you, as a human who knows the band, it's clear when you listen. Computers can't do that nearly as well. We do use some audio analysis to flag potential mismatches, but with 50k+ releases every week, it's hard to check all the ones that might be wrong. So we tend to check in popularity order, to try to catch the cases that will affect the most listeners...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
tl/dr: I hate Yo La Tengo
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
not sure this phenomenon hurts Yo La Tengo much. Would be more accurate to say "tldr: I hate Yo La Tengo listeners". and fair enough, spotify, fair enough.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
xxp Interesting, thx glenn
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 04:04 (four years ago) link
honestly don't know what i've done to get jack kerouac on my discover weekly. also the pogues, other irish music, ethiopan jazz, but i can tolerate those.
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:17 (four years ago) link
honestly i've been pretty much mainlining autechre for weeks on end just to see what it throws up and it's like 'hey try some woody guthrie!'
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
I see the false Pavement has now been broken off and given their own artist page (guess I was one of those 168 listeners in Los Angeles).
― Get your filthy hands off my asp (morrisp), Monday, 17 August 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
Appears to be down
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link
desktop app is not working.
web version search isnt working but if you have the url to the album it will play
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
a former uk ilxor from the very early days of ilx signed up for Spotify today and clearly broke UK spotify.
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link
Working for me through Android.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:25 (four years ago) link
desktop app seems to be working again
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
it was really laggy and unresponsive yesterday evening for me. seems fine now.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
mostly an interview with Jared at Bandcamp, but still goes here. liked the Ed. note
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/19/903547253/a-tale-of-two-ecosystems-on-bandcamp-spotify-and-the-wide-open-future
[Ed. note: We've been noticing, anecdotally but with increasing frequency, that many new releases we'd like to include on our playlists don't make the jump from being posted on Bandcamp to appearing on platforms like Spotify.]
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
That was great, thanks!
― DJI, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
Good article, though the introductory paragraphs are a bit like RADIOS DO THIS, RECORD SHOPS DO THAT, WHY DO PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE RADIO NOT GO TO THE RECORD SHOP?!?!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 05:33 (four years ago) link
“Hide song” doesn’t sync across clients?
― calstars, Thursday, 20 August 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
Just idly wondering if tags would be a possible/useful feature? I have so many bloody playlists that some days I'd like to be able to search my own library by mood, or country or feel.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 August 2020 10:47 (four years ago) link
I imagine anything more complex around personal tagging of tracks than the starring, at least across multiple devices, would be a big headache to implement. Would be brilliant to have, though. I'd love a notes field, or the ability to add your own accurate year info.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 August 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link
Yes, I imagine it's down to the complexities of management. Ah well.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link
Have they cut down number of daily mixes? I seem to have 4 rather than 6.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 23 August 2020 13:46 (four years ago) link
you have angered spotify, and they are being passive aggressive about it. (I have 6).
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
what's up with the weird unofficial albums that pop up from time to time?
i came across this one the other day:https://open.spotify.com/album/5YJnD5KqNUwbV3AnXEIYTU?si=t-HZeuSDRWqcHBrnbsty-w
and i just have to wonder who exactly is responsible for such things. and why.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
Good question
― Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
it's basically unlistenable. idgi. is anyone going to the tony toni tone and getting fooled into playing it for more than thirty seconds?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
reminds me of torrenting a jurassic 5 album back in the day (lol) that was industry chaff where they looped the hook for four minutes. had me thinking they got into some minimalism shit.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
Rolling thread for young whippersnappers using old bands names on Spotify etc
― Brad C., Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:46 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think it goes up and down depending on the quantity and variety of your listening. I currently have 5.
― オニモ (onimo), Sunday, 23 August 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
LISTEN HARDER
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 August 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
You can’t listen to music once every three to four years and think that’s going to be enough.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 August 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
adopt a model of continual engagement with the algorithm
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 August 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link
Just idly wondering if tags would be a possible/useful feature? I have so many bloody playlists that some days I'd like to be able to search my own library by mood, or country or feel.― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:47 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglinkI imagine anything more complex around personal tagging of tracks than the starring, at least across multiple devices, would be a big headache to implement. Would be brilliant to have, though. I'd love a notes field, or the ability to add your own accurate year info.― Alba, Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:59 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:47 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Alba, Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:59 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah I was thinking how much I'd like tags too, or even notes. I notice going through albums I've added to my library that I don't even remember why I added them...I heard a song and liked it? Someone recommended it to me? I saw it mentioned on xyz?
Tags would be helpful when it comes to specific tracks as well, instead I just create playlists named after the "tag" and add the songs. I wish more of last.fm's personalization features would be offered by any major streaming service...
― musically, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
You can write descriptions of playlists, up to 300 words I think.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
Spotify are doing the free Google Nest Mini speaker offer again for anyone in the UK who doesn't already have Premium or who has Premium but hasn't already claimed a speaker.
― オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 10:35 (four years ago) link
Yeah I could add the contents of an album to a playlist, and then move that playlist to add it to a library folder, and then add a description (which I've never had the option to do on mobile afaik, which is where I do 90% of my listening/browsing)
My easier idea to do the same thing: click the Heart icon on an album and add a hashtag. Now it's tagged and in my library.
I realize Spotify isn't going to offer this kind of functionality unless they do a major pivot towards "social," and I have no leverage as a consumer because I still wouldn't give up Spotify's recommendations/custom playlists for a service with hashtags lol. Still holding out hope that some version of tagging/personal labeling will be possible in the near future...
― musically, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
Oh good, new desktop client has no easy way to get to local files
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 5 September 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link
If you're curious what Spotify listening data reveals about the music kids like, around the world, my PopCon contribution this year is a web thing to help you find out.
The Aqueduct of Youth
(The panel it's part of is called The Platforms of Youth: Meme-ing, Marketing & Streaming, with five other explorations of "Old Town Road", Christian musicals, aging, Tiktok and VSCO Girls...)
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 5 September 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
what the @ the "classic" kids listening in Australia being the exact same 1980s Triple M FM artists as the classic adults listening, but different songs
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Saturday, 5 September 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
Interesting! Checking out the South African and Dutch rankings right away. Am I correct in thinking the lists are filtered, with only “homegrown” stuff allowed in? Or is any song that doesn’t overlap with another country’s lists eligible - because there are some “international” (=by US artists) songs in the South African classic list?
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 5 September 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
(also, not your presentation, but “Brittany” Spears???)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 5 September 2020 18:37 (four years ago) link
There's no filtering, it's just driven by distinctive listening. Music can come from anywhere.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 5 September 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
Some of those record covers tho.
Cyprus dude looks like a stand up comic. Not sure what's going on with the Serbian. Ukraine guy looks like a football hooligan/ star of a cheapo remake of 'crank'. No way does anyone under the age of fifty listen to the Ecuadorian effort. Conan Gray bosses everything by refusing to be restrained by national borders.
― oscar bravo, Saturday, 5 September 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link
xpGoogling for the term “distinctive listening” just now, because I wasn’t familiar with it, I came across a 2014 article by you:https://www.significancemagazine.com/culture/83-the-sounds-of-places-mapping-the-world-s-musical-taste
”We do, in fact, have per-country top-track charts in Spotify itself. These measure the absolute popularity of tracks among the sub-population listening in a given country. Statistically, though, these charts tend to be fairly well dominated by global hits. (...) When I say I want to hear what they're listening to in Estonia, I mean that I want to hear what they're listening to in Estonia that, proportionally speaking, nobody is listening to anywhere else. I want to hear the music that is most uniquely Estonian, or more precisely the music that is most uniquely loved by Estonians. So I've been experimenting with code to generate the kind of additional alternate chart that I mean, measuring the most distinctive listening of a country. It's not perfect, and the occasional global hit wanders in due to emotionally irrelevant factors like regional licensing contingencies. But for the most part these charts do appear to be rather effectively getting past the global to the local.”
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 5 September 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
Yeah, without knowing what % of local kids are listening to this stuff rather than “global hits,” I’m not sure what we’re supposed to take from it.
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 22:23 (four years ago) link
Well, I for one do find it interesting to know what local/unique/distinctive music people in a particular country are listening to, while taking it as a given that they’re ALSO listening to “Savage Love” and “WAP”. A bit more clarity about the criteria/method used would have been helpful though.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 5 September 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
Yes, these use a variation on the same technique described for places: a combined weighting of absolute cohort popularity and the share of global popularity that represents. So it would take a lot for the kids in Estonia to represent a non-trivial share of Drake listening, for example. But more is still better.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 5 September 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
I'd be interested in how genres map and differ across regions. Like does a 20 year old Scottish Lil Peep fan listen to broadly the same other music as their Australian, Estonian, etc. counterparts? Are there specific genre artists that don't connect across borders?
― オニモ (onimo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:20 (four years ago) link
runrig
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
Ha, they keep coming up in the Duolingo Gaelic course.
― Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
This thing goes into a lot more detail: age, gender, genres...
http://everynoise.com/everydemo.cgi
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 6 September 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link
the fun never ends. thanks @spotifyartists "Thanks for your interest in Spotify for Artists. We took a look at the info you gave us but can’t confirm a connection between you and the artist you claimed, which means we can’t grant you access."— loscil (@_loscil_) September 15, 2020
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 07:21 (four years ago) link
FWIW, I just fixed this "Loscil" track, which looks like part of the same nefarious batch as some earlier cases discussed here...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 14:12 (four years ago) link
I just noticed this group session feature!
https://newsroom.spotify.com/2020-07-28/your-squad-can-now-stream-simultaneously-using-spotifys-group-session-beta/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
I've been trying this out, doesn't seem to work exactly. You can have other people in a session listen to what you are listening to, but having participants update the queue seems broken.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
oh i guesshttps://app.jqbx.fm/ is still the best option for that than
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
"This radio station cannot be started. Please try with something else."
It's the "radio station" of a birthday playlist my sister made for me in July -- and back then it worked fine and I liked it. What's changed? Why doesn't it play now?
― mark s, Monday, 28 September 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link
please mark, you can’t reasonably expect your whole life to be one big birthday
― Regard the timeless piano balladeeress! (breastcrawl), Monday, 28 September 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link
*throws embarrassing tantrum*
― mark s, Monday, 28 September 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
why is the web app so much worse now, releases on artist pages are now automatically sorted by popularity mixing singles and albums and EPs all together. you can click on the "popular releases" heading to get through to a better organised discography like before but only if they have enough releases and the text space for release titles is limited enough to be annoying which it wasn't before
― ufo, Thursday, 1 October 2020 05:06 (four years ago) link
my desktop version has been being pretty erratic over the last couple of weeks. I'm getting duplicate podcasts turning up in my queue.& they don't delete. NOt sure what is going on . Pretty annoying having to correct it.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 1 October 2020 09:34 (four years ago) link
― ufo, Thursday, October 1, 2020 7:06 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is the case - and indeed highly annoying. They did, yesterday, at least change one thing back, which is putting the latest release on the left again (that had also disappeared, so you had to scroll through popular to find the latest one yourself). It's a mess.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 1 October 2020 09:39 (four years ago) link
So a lot of artists "popular releases" now list the same (the newest) album twice, on the left side. Prob because it's both most popular (because it's new) and the newest. It looks like this, and it's ridiculous imo:
https://i.imgur.com/irSt4ee.png
https://i.imgur.com/CVBF62B.png
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 1 October 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link
i expect that those pages are used only a tiny fraction of the amount that the big playlists are, so they become an afterthought. anything considered 'niche' functionality - even something as basic as an artist page - will get deprioritized
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 October 2020 10:13 (four years ago) link
You're probably right, but it was good the way it was? Sorted by release year, descending in order from left to right. If it doesn't have a big priority, just leave it be, it was ok the way it was.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 1 October 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link
wtf Loveless has gone
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link
Don't worry, it'll probably be back soon in fifteen years time.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
Wha? I can still see it, here in the US at least.
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
nope, not here in the UK. guess the thought of someone listening to it at 320kbps finally got to him.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
All the MBV albums have been gone from Spotify since spring 2019 for me.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 1 October 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
if you ever want to check which regions an album is available on Spotify, for making a playlist for people overseas etc, there's this tool:
http://kaaes.github.io/albums-availability/
These are the current limits of Kevin Shields' empire:
https://i.imgur.com/AQsT4Bl.png
― Alba, Thursday, 1 October 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
I think the tool needs to be updated, as the grey seems to indicate countries where Spotify itself is unavailable, but Ireland and North African countries have been added since then, I think. But good for checking US/UK etc.
― Alba, Thursday, 1 October 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link
Can a VPN get around that or is it based on verified billing address?
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Thursday, 1 October 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link
The latest MBV is not on US Spotify.
― Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 1 October 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link
Onimo - I think it's based on IP address not billing country so yes I guess a VPN woild work in theory
― Alba, Thursday, 1 October 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
No, it's based on where you pay.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 October 2020 01:17 (four years ago) link
Should have just waited for Glenn – apologies for bad information.
― Alba, Friday, 2 October 2020 01:25 (four years ago) link
What the ....? https://open.spotify.com/show/2Zy2XZMKHDGBSv8ouqwZ0R
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
get that starred
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link
android app having many issues with the playbar freezing
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
or maybe not freezing. just displaying the wrong songs and showing |> instead of || while playing. seems to be a real bug related to recent android update. it eventually happens after every reboot. anyone else notice this?
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link
I've had this happen a few times recently
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link
I usually have to exit and then force stop the app to clear it up
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link
yes, me too
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
Oh, me too! I just assumed it was my shitty phone being shitty, glad it's just the Spotify app being vmic.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:38 (four years ago) link
this happens to me constantly
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
app is borderline unusable now
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 02:04 (four years ago) link
Is this the latest Android update?
Not had any problems with it at all myself (on Moto G7)
― groovypanda, Thursday, 8 October 2020 07:07 (four years ago) link
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Android/Spotify-displaying-incorrect-track/td-p/4632956
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
a master class in shit support
i'm not anyone in that thread. i just hate when the response is restart your app/phone/reinstall, when clearly everyone has already done that.
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
Yup. Check your power supply!
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
I never used playlists on shuffle until recently and have had the pleasure of discovering how shit the shuffle algorithm (or whatever) is. 207 song playlist, same ~40 songs play. It does a great job of shuffling those 40, though. #FFS
― (show hidden tics) (WmC), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
#GREATREVIVE
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
I find that shuffle works better or worse depending on the device.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 9 October 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link
If Spotify follow the standard tech company playbook for bugs, they'll do this "restart your phone/clean install/probably another app on your phone/manufacturer fault" gaslighting bullshit for a month or so then a new version will drop that fixes the bug and they'll act dumb about it. Their inability to just say"yes, there's a bug, we're working on it" is maddening.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Friday, 9 October 2020 06:09 (four years ago) link
That example was one of the worst though- user shares screenshot showing full bar wifi and 4G- "I see you are using 4G try using it with a strong wifi"- user explains what wifi symbol means- "try using it with 4G!"
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
In the absence of comprehensive year of release data on Spotify, I've started the epic task of putting every one of my Liked Songs into a playlist for its respective year. Am I crazy? I'll just do a few a day. It's then relatively portable, given the tools available for exporting playlists.
― Alba, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
both the web player and the android app are a bit shit for me, constantly
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 October 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
specifically the android app just pauses playing for a few seconds every x minutes and on the web player I get "something went wrong, try reloading the page" if I try to look at an artist, album etc.
I most often listen to Spotify on my Roku, which has all sorts of limitations - can't make playlists or adjust queues, etc. You have to use the (very simple) Roku remote for everything.
Anyway, was thrilled to find Brooks' Red Tape is back on Spotify (one of my fav albums from the 2000s)...if only they would add the ep's and You, Me and Us as well. Brooks should not be forgotten.
― Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Sunday, 11 October 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link
What is this Time Capsule you speak of, my Spotify Hipster Friend?
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 October 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
Today I was offered a daily drive/daily commute playlist - your favourite songs interspersed with news and sports updates. Turns out you get to hear adverts you've paid to avoid as they're embedded in the bulletins. Ads aside though, I kind of like the idea for early morning listening.
(my daily commute is from my bedroom to my bathroom to the kitchen to the dining table)
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Monday, 12 October 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
I'm very confused by this song that showed up on my Release Radar today, mostly for the third artist listed on the track. https://open.spotify.com/track/2DztFyWY3hyCArDb9VINk2?si=5iQU6VydSoiSIyl8nR8Hjg
That's gotta be some sort of glitch, right? It seems highly unlikely that there is another group with that name...
― MarkoP, Friday, 16 October 2020 04:23 (four years ago) link
I don’t even need to click on that link to know that I was served the same track.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 16 October 2020 06:57 (four years ago) link
^^ thirded.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 16 October 2020 09:03 (four years ago) link
Ah Moveek! I’m familiar with Moveek. He’s a Nigerian artist who sometimes tries to boost his streaming numbers by tagging a famous Afropop artist’s name (like Starboy/Wizkid, Tiwa Savage or Tekno) to his songs, without them actually being on the track (but he’s also done this with Major Lazer, for instance). In the years I’ve been following Nigerian pop there’s always been a few of these types around. Many of these tracks are taken down from Spotify eventually, but some of them remain.So why have he and this “Caravan” type now gone for Stars of the Lid, an act in a totally different genre, not particularly well-known or popular, and also not a name with other connotations that I’m aware of? I’m guessing for the same reason he’s also been tagging artist names like “Feist”, “The Cab” and “Regard” (and of course “Caravan” is an established artist name in its own right as well).Maybe picking artists outside of his own genre that have a popularity of some significance, but not so much that they might have people actively looking out for activity like this (like I imagine a Major Lazer might), is his way of laying low while still picking up the extra streams he wants from fans of those acts that make it 30 seconds into his track.Gotta respect the hustle!
― Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Friday, 16 October 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link
Gotta respect the hustle!
Do we? Don't think SotL fans - nor people who like Feist or whoever he tags - will particularly appreciate this hustle tbf.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 16 October 2020 11:05 (four years ago) link
I was being sarcastic. It’s a pathetic business model, but nothing to get worked up about imo. It’s just annoying, that’s all, unless I’m missing something?
― Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Friday, 16 October 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link
Nah, that's pretty much where I'm at tbh
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 16 October 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link
I saw that Moveek thing go past in internal error-reports right before seeing it mentioned here, so it's already being fixed...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1215518235921133568/FA0hOBLt.jpgMoveek says “cool”
― Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:33 (four years ago) link
Moveek holds a playlist in his quivering handsMoveek sends the playlist to the American man
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 October 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
along those lines, I was perplexed by TR/ST's new direction until I heard the track.
― beard papa, Friday, 16 October 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link
Move... Ek, you say? </tinfoil>
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
jesus fuck why does the Spotify UI suck SO FUCKING BAD.
I accidentally added a whole album to a playlist, and the songs I did't want JUST WON'T FUCK OFF. I've had to click Remove from Playlist about 5 times for every fucking song. can they not hire developers who can make this actually function? wankers
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
the ajax requests are failing when i click it. 400 errors. fuck's sake your website is fucking terrible
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
our app was throwing 400 errors the other day and it was a google cloud server misconfiguring itself somehow. so y'know it might not be actual unforced human error. still it does hang an awful lot for me too - songs don't play, search results don't appear, 'add to playlist' doesn't work.
― neith moon (ledge), Sunday, 18 October 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link
I find connecting to speakers at home really unreliable. Usually involves restarting the app or reconnecting the wifi. Sometimes halfway through a song it will start playing through my phone or tablet again. This often ends up with me abandoning all of that and connecting via Bluetooth.
By which time my sandwich is made and I'm going to another room...
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Sunday, 18 October 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link
also my experience connecting from the app
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/28/joe-rogan-hosts-alex-jones-on-spotify-podcast-despite-ban
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 18:37 (four years ago) link
spotify is fucking up
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
had some more weird issues lately where I add a track to my library, it doesn't show up in the app, shows up in web player, but can't be played until I un-add and re-add.
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
Yeah I often find I have to log out and back in again on my Mac for the desktop client to register tracks that I've Liked on another device, even if it was hours ago.
― Alba, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
lol at the lede in that Guardian article
Joe Rogan, Spotify’s biggest podcast star, has left the platform..............in an awkward position after conducting a lengthy interview with Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist banned by Swedish streaming company for producing “hate content”.
....
...in an awkward position after conducting a lengthy interview with Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist banned by Swedish streaming company for producing “hate content”.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
I'm going to take a punt that their response to being put in this awkward position was to do nothing about it.
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Thursday, 29 October 2020 08:50 (four years ago) link
Exasperated laugh after having selected 'I don't like ROOSEVELT' at least twice in Release Radar the powers that be just won't take no for an answer here.
― nashwan, Friday, 30 October 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link
xp they removed it
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link
source?
― neith moon (ledge), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
joe rogan fans on reddit
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
but that was yesterday and i see it back up now?
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
there i was thinking "joe rogan fans on reddit" an unimpeachable source.
― neith moon (ledge), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
it was a cache issue with the episode that did cause it to be missing/unplayable yesterday
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
you can count on joe rogan fans on reddit to complain first if spotify does pull it
― The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 October 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
fixed that for ya
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 30 October 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
In response to the "Justice at Spotify" campaign for increased royalty rates, and having paid Joe Rogan $100 million to promote Infowars, Spotify have announced the option for artists to be paid in exposure instead, except without actually providing the exposure:
https://www.thefader.com/2020/11/02/spotify-promotional-tool-discovery-weekly-royalty-rate-union-letter
― edited for dog profanity (sic), Monday, 2 November 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link
I can’t understand if this is a genuine opportunity for extra cash flow for labels/bands or, Spotify monetizing an existing distribution channel like radio and getting an even lower royalty rate to artists. I’ll assume the latter?
I’ve been through a bunch of these services, is there anything out there that pays artists fairly?
― Bjork’s lawyers just would not budge, Monday, 2 November 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link
Bandcamp
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 2 November 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
I used to have their app, glad to hear they’re streaming!
― Bjork’s lawyers just would not budge, Monday, 2 November 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link
well it depends on what the artists want to be streamable, but yeah
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 2 November 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
i actually use the bandcamp app. it’s nice. sort of a “here’s the music i care about enough to actually pay for” all in one place.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 08:51 (four years ago) link
Top comment on r/indieheads:
extremely telling that they waited for election eve so that they could try to slip this through the cracks. they know how shitty and terrible they are being here and are terrified about how much blowback this rightfully deserves.
I agree this is a despicable thing to do.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:16 (four years ago) link
https://gizmodo.com/spotify-finds-a-pay-for-play-workaround-1845554656
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
Guardian reporting on it too
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/nov/03/spotify-artists-promote-music-exchange-cut-royalty-rates-payola-algorithm
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link
"payolgarithm"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55c6866ae4b05dcc99ee3b4a/t/56352661e4b0270138b3707f/1602669505958/
― kiss some penis reference (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
I mean the problem is that artists already got paid cents with Spotify, and this model makes it so that they get paid to even be invited to the playground. If they're not game, they don't get featured in the top - or not featured at all - of new music releases, spotify playlists, recommendations, radio, etc... so now you have to be paid even shittier amounts if you want in.
It's plain evil and will not only affect artists for the worst but its audience too.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 06:59 (four years ago) link
it's always been a shit business model
I feel like it is every tech company’s model: hollow out an existing industry or industries and hoover up all the money while passing along marginal savings. No wonder inequality is at Robber Baron levels.
― Bjork’s lawyers just would not budge, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link
Ok, nice customer service story:I’ve subscribed to Spotify Premium pretty much since the beginning. I’ve held off upgrading to Family bc the Hulu deal goes away if you have Family. At any rate, my older daughter uses my account on their iOS – and tells me last week: “I signed up for Duo.” And of course, two days later comes and tells me, “What’s our Hulu password? It isn’t working.”Anyway I chatted online w customer service and asked if they could undo it and was told they couldn’t bc that the deal was no longer available in their computer system. I said I was a little disappointed bc I was a longtime and happy customer. Before the chat ended, I told the person I understood it was out of their hands but asked if there was poss. a supervisor who could manually do it. They said they’d ask – and an hour later I got an email from a supervisor restoring the deal. I wasn’t expecting Spotify to even have customer service as a digital company so this was surprising to say the least. Good stuff.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 9 November 2020 03:28 (four years ago) link
i'm laughing as i type this, but the play button keeps fucking up on my spotify, just does nothing, i keep clicking it
nb. laughing as i type this
― dogs, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
Great news! Every penny of value that musicians have earned for Spotify has been paid back to them, so Spotify can drop another another $235 million on a loss-making podcast advert company35 million on a loss-making podcast advert company, in order to onsell their own data-mining services to the creators of podcasts that use that company.
― @oneposter (👍) (sic), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link
spotify:album:47frms8fSk3Cp9ZCA80tfxis very much NOT tr/st, but someone called Trust
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 16 November 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
anybody heard of it?
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 November 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
Why Is The Obscure B-Side “Harness Your Hopes” Pavement’s Top Song On Spotify? It’s Complicated.
https://www.stereogum.com/2105993/pavement-harness-your-hopes-spotify/columns/sounding-board/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 04:43 (four years ago) link
It's becoming really erratic recently. I keep getting multiple duplicates of one podcast turning up in the queue or having the queue and recent searches disappear.I reinstalled it last night and it was still doing the multiple podcast thing afterwards.
Also ads turning up when I'm being charged for premium.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 07:17 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah for some reason it's decided to play back silently for the last few days.May have something to do with webinars I've been at but other sound on the desktop work.youtube,audacious etc. & trying to swap etween other sound outlets does nothing.
Ubuntu updated recently not sure if it's anything to do with that.annoying though.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 07:21 (four years ago) link
Think it was mentioned upthread but are the ads when you're listening to podcasts as think some have ads embedded in them?
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 09:05 (four years ago) link
yeah most podcasts have baked-in ads
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link
I keep losing my place in podcasts across devices. If go tablet > phone > tablet it forgets everything I've listened to on the phone in between.
That Stereogum/Pavement article is interesting. There's an upside in that guys like Malkmus presumably make a bit more money than they would otherwise have seen and I like the idea of a deep cut rising to prominence and popularity but something seems a bit off.
Like in the same way your daily mixes all end up sounding like they never change, are the impersonal algorithms driving us towards the platonic ideal of lo fi indie rock at the exclusion of anything that doesn't quite fit the unpublished criteria?
(not sure I'm expressing that very well, sorry)
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link
ads I was referring to seem to be ore localised on US or UK podcasts I'm listening to in Ireland. So can't see how an ad relevant to Ireland would be embedded n a foreign show which is what i seem o keep hearing at least. Also ads creeping in between shows
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 12:59 (four years ago) link
i was about to comment on the targeted podcast ads. I get ads for Canadian banks when i download, like, Reply All in Pocketcasts. But in Spotify I just noticed that the episode runtimes are a few minutes shorter, and i couldn't find ads in the episode i just fast forwarded through. Interesting.People on the Gimlet subreddit just seem to be annoyed that the hosts aren't reading the ads anymore.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
i've heard of spotify
― treeship., Wednesday, 18 November 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link
Have heard hosts reading ads. POd Save crew still seem to pretty regularly at least for their sponsors etc.I think others do too still. Daily Beans crew too.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
I should've said that Spotify owns Gimlet. Have they bought any other "networks" or just some single show deals?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/10/spotify-buying-podcast-hosting-and-ad-company-megaphone-for-235m/?Ah i guess this has something to do with their podcast ad experimenting. Bleh.... sticking to my podcast app.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
I get pretty frustrated by Spotify trying to overguess what I'm searching for. Like if I search for the band Come and look in the artist results why isn't that band one of the first results rather than result number 116 (literally)? And after artists named Corey Taylor, Honeycomebear and Friggen Comedy Network?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
Searching for classical pieces is a big pain.
― Ape Hole Road (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/YkJwJSF.jpg
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
...or 7,400 new paying members in a month
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 20 November 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
they could save $7k by getting rid of the turntable and bluetoothing Spotify streams to that setup
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link
New tech support / complaint while on my iPhone: I have a lot of folders for all my playlists and it used to be that if I was inside a folder and wanted to create a new playlist, that’s where the playlist would show up. Now if I create a new playlist it automatically appears in the main menu, meaning I can’t move it to the folder I want until I’m using Spotify in a desktop. (Which brings up a second irritation - as far as I can tell I can’t move things around within the mobile app, only on desktop.)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 20 November 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
you can but it's complicated
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link
Ah i guess this has something to do with their podcast ad experimenting. Bleh.... sticking to my podcast app.
Of all these acquisitions, Parcast might be the one you could most reasonably think of as a content farm for audio. Its scripts are at least in part written by freelance “content writers” and read by voiceover actors; one recent job listing solicited freelancers to write scripts for ten cents per word. Their recently unionized staff call working there “unsustainable“ and “unforgiving,” and report not being allowed to pitch stories. And, of course, this studio’s cheaply made offerings are getting prime placement all over the platform now that they’re owned by Spotify.
Over the past year, Spotify transformed its stated aspirations as a company. It used to see itself as the go-to platform providing “music for every mood and moment”—not just a music streaming service but one that knows your taste better than you know it yourself. That changed in February 2019, when Spotify announced its acquisitions of Gimlet and Anchor in a letter declaring itself “Audio First,” where CEO Daniel Ek wrote that Spotify’s goals were expanding beyond music in a bid to become “the world’s number one audio platform.” The letter was standard PR fodder, with promises of increased capacities for “discovery, data, and monetization to creators” and “enhancing the Spotify brand.” But in interviews throughout the year, Spotify execs have made different types of claims about what’s also motivated the move into podcasts: advertising profits!
From the new Liz Pelly vs Spotify joint:https://thebaffler.com/downstream/podcast-overlords-pelly
Interesting suggestion that Spotify is aiming to create a substitute for mixed-format radio:
Along with “Daily Wellness” and “Your Daily Drive,” Spotify has rolled out a number of other podcast playlist related announcements in recent months. There’s already additional personalized music-and-podcasts playlists, like “Mixto” (Latin music and podcasts) and “Film & TV Favorites” (interviews with music supervisors).
When Spotify encourages listeners to create a “habit” around coming to its platform for its playlists instead of for specific artists or podcasters, it does a few things. One, it diminishes the relationships that listeners have with what they’re listening to—watering down the experience of being a music fan, or now a podcast fan, because they’re listening to lots of different media but not forging deep relationships with specific artists and shows. It also strips agency and power from the people who make the work that sustains the platform: if users are coming to the platform for a playlist instead of a specific artist or podcaster, whether or not Spotify is able to retain those artists or podcasters on its platform matters very little to their bottom line. If they screw over the independent food podcasters and they all decide to leave the platform, what difference does that make to the listener who is just used to hitting play on the “Chill Dinner Time Talk” podcast playlist and won’t know the difference anyway? Spotify will find another podcaster to add to a playlist, or even better, get some new stuff going in Spotify Studios.
― huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 09:31 (four years ago) link
Not to undermine the shittiness of a lot of what Spotify does, but if people are going to consume like mindless drones with no thought or taste, the problem is not just Spotify.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
Yeah but can't I consume like an ethical thoughtless tasteless mindless drone?
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:29 (four years ago) link
One might contend that using billions in venture capital to intentionally train a mass audience away from making their own decisions and away from paying for audio, attempting to deliberately leave musicians and narrowcasters with fewer viable options and to eradicate both physical and digital music retail, is on the "Spotify's fault" side of the ledger.
I mean, I don't use it, but I'm happy to take a few billion $ off a consortium of investors and buy some CDs at independent record shops if that helps. Could run a venue or three if there's any dosh left over.
― huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:42 (four years ago) link
Personally, I haven't the slightest interest in sacrificing any of my music-listening time to have blogs read aloud to me.
But trying to attract an audience to the "platform" is what all media companies do and have always done. A radio station or newspaper or magazine is trying to create a "habit" around its packaging of whatever. Spotify programming accounts for only 10-20% of the average listener's Spotify time, so the idea of mindless indiscriminate manipulated consumption is a dystopian fantasy meant to attract readers to blog posts...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link
I've enjoyed the kind of programming you've done on the platform, Glenn, to point me to music I might like. That's mindless on my end. It's been cute that it has made accidental hit songs, but the payola getting involved with this is turning me off of listening to the suggestions at all.You can't deny the company is working on making the whole experience more and more effortless for users. As you successfully attract more users who sign up for background noise, it's going to alienate the music nerds who joined up first. That's apparent from moves like making artist discographies less and less prominent. Anyway, hope API access persists.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
I still feel superserved as a music nerd: like I get access to so much more than the average user needs, for the same price.
The one change that's bummed me out is removing the part of the API that allows pitch control in apps like DJay. I don't know Spotify did that, unless it has some DJing product of its own up its sleeve.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
don't know why Spotify did that, that's should read
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link
Tidal can do it now, I guess? Probably they or someone else will become the dork platform of choice as Spotify tries to go wider and wider. I'm just here trying to sample lots of music without going broke.Since there's no more Spotify in djay, what were you pitch shifting with?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link
I'm not a DJ but just did it for fun sometimes. I haven't done it since Spotify pulled the plug in July. I guess I can pay for a month of Tidal if I want to do it in Djay again.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
Same here. Was just wondering if there was some kind of DJ app still working.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
"More effortless" is not the same as "more passive". I spend most of my own time exploring music, as I have for most of my life. The amount of effort is more or less constant, but streaming allows me to apply that effort mostly to listening, instead of mostly to shopping. This is qualitatively more effective and interesting.
Discographies are 1 tap deep on mobile and 0 clicks away on desktop where there's more screen space. That's not "less and less", and barely even one "less"...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link
This is qualitatively more effective and interesting.
Crate diggers might not agree on this point!
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
I’m back to spinning vinyl. All the latest obnoxious moves by Spotify suck. The special low tier where they pay you less and might actually (no guarantees though!) place your songs on an editorial playlist is pretty gross. On the non-dance-music side, I’m also just bummed out by everything becoming singles-focused. I would love a “new albums” section in the UI. I’d also love more promotion of user playlists and user tastemakers. I feel that would generate more engagement without making it all seem like you are gently being herded into Spotify’s endgame of total vertical control of every link in the music supply chain.
― DJI, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
effort
― brimstead, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link
The crate is now the whole world. I spent decades flipping through bins. I don't miss cardboard.
(I don't like the promotional-rate idea, either, personally, but it's only for algorithmic radio/autoplay, not editorial playlists.)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
for some reason its decided to keep switching off play today I was wondering if it was my mobile phone but its doing the same thing on my desktop.Wonder if its the actual podcast
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link
My wife and I have both had Spotify just not play things over the past few days. Like, you hit the play button, it changes to a pause button, but the transport control doesn't advance and no music comes out. Hit what's now the pause button and it turns back into a play button. Repeat several times, turn off phone and put on a record.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
(Yes, our internet connection is fine.)
I am familiar with that
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link
I generally have a fairly bug-free Spotify experience compared with others on this thread, but yes, I get the play doesn't play thing on desktop (Mac) quite often these days, usually when playing after a pause. A'Spotify cannot play the current song' tends to then come up and I have to relaunch the app for it to work again.
― Alba, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link
Need to find a way to add a 'force stop spotify' shortcut to my homescreen.
― foopin posts and pissin shits (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 15:01 (four years ago) link
My wife and I have both had Spotify just not play things over the past few days
Have you tried logging a call and getting your wife to log a separate call? You can then each go through as many combinations as there are of enabling and disabling playback devices, apps, WiFi, 4G and Bluetooth before someone links it to a previously unresolved bug and marks it as resolved.
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
sounds like a blast!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
I thought that turned out to only be one podcast that was glitching yesterday. Now found the same cutting out thing happening on another podcast from the same production team and then cos taht was happenning skipped over to a different one done by othger people and its carrying on,. Will play for like a minute and a half or something then cut out so it needs play pressed again, which I guess is pausing but it's not me doing it. I thought at first there was some glitch causing my doing anything else on teh computer triggered the sound to go off. THis is really annoying.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 26 November 2020 10:30 (four years ago) link
Spotify now has Stories and can this please stop
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 November 2020 08:56 (four years ago) link
Maybe if I search for 'ka' it could show me an artist called 'Ka', instead of 100+ (I stopped scrolling) artists whose name begins with 'Ka', or in some cases doesn't begin with 'Ka' or even contain 'ka'?
― ledge, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link
Yes, I love that under some search engine logic users who search for the letters "Ka" are more likely to be looking for Sizzla or K.K. or Anri than an artist with the actual name Ka.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
The problem with automatically ranking exact matches first is that people will game it and create crappy pretend artists called Be just to hoover up search for Beyoncé. Because it works on an autosuggestion basis, right - there's no point at which you hit a button that finalizes your search query.
I guess Spotify could change that, though – and have return (or the search button on the mobile keyboard) actually have some effect.
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
Spotify should support regular expression searching. (only half kidding)
― beard papa, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link
So... Top Songs time!
Enjoying looking through mine, although there seem to be a few tunes I don't really recognise, along with some puzzling ommissions. Glad to see my gaming of the system made "Fuck Tha Police" number one on my list https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EM7dZXzJKyE9n?si=JfkWpTcZTzOyNO9C-EM5jg
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link
Ha! Thanks to the ilxor poll I was in the Top 0.005% of Underworld listeners this year
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
I apparently 'discovered' 2,474 new artists this year. I suspect this is about 2,000 more than last year. wfh ftw!
― Alba, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
(Tom Ewing's Twitter world cups will also have been a big factor in this, both directly and indirectly as I undertake a long term project of my best ofs for every year since 1950)
― Alba, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
The podcast part did not at all line up with podcasts I actually listened to, very odd.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
my top artist was Dee Dee Bridgewater, who i have never listened to. i asked my wife (who has her own account) if she’d played it on my computer or something and she has no memory of that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:06 (four years ago) link
if I listen to something a bunch in December will it impact the 2020 chart
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:08 (four years ago) link
Dee Dee Bridgewater's first lp was reissued by Mr BOngo 2 or 3 months ago. Wouldn't have anything to do with taht would it?Also i think BGO put out a 2cd of about 4 of her later lps a little earlier
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
It's mystifying. She's huge in France, and my wife's French, so I feel like it's got to be her fault somehow. Dunno!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link
Stolen Spotify logins get shared/sold on the black market so it's possible someone else is using your account, Tracer.
https://support.spotify.com/us/article/someone-has-gained-access-to-my-account/https://www.techradar.com/news/thousands-of-spotify-accounts-hacked-heres-what-you-need-to-know
― Alba, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
If you want to be sure, you have to use the 'sign out everywhere' option as I think already-logged-in devices don't get kicked off just by you changing the password.
― Alba, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:33 (four years ago) link
whoa
Dee Dee Bridgewater bots are ruining my life
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
Another year, another random artist I fall asleep to ends up on my Spotify Unwrapped :P In 2020 the honor goes to the Sandpipers (Guantanamera is a very nice album to fall asleep to, highly recommend).
― musically, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
ha
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
As is usually the case, all my top tracks and artists are stuff my wife or kids listen to. I'm a top 1% listener of a band I don't particularly care for.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
my #1 was something I listened to on repeat for one day last February that I like well enough but is not particularly representative.
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
My top tracks are... yes, the tracks I listened to a lot. That was very exciting to see, thank you.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
my top track that I actually listen to (Andy Stott - Dismantle) is one that is an auto-play track after almost everything I listen to, which accounts for its placing way more than the amount of times I actually decided to listen to it.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
shockingly, I spent most of 2020 listening to clipping.
who could have seen that coming besides anyone within earshot of me during 2020
― DJP, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
This is the first full year I've had Spotify, so I took a look at the wrapped thing even though the idea of Spotify packaging up all this data on me and presenting it to me creeps me out. It was kind of an interesting index to the pandemic, actually. No big surprises in the favorite artists category, but some songs showed up that made me go, "whaaa?" and then I realized this was something I'd listened to a lot in the very beginning of lockdown.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:31 (four years ago) link
You discovered 2972 new artists this year
Did I now
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
nods to Azana, Hayley Williams, Alambaster DePlume, Jessie Ware, HAIM andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inxhtu7L3qc
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
the little jokes they included in the recap made me think that i fucking hate everybody who works for spotify except glenn
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
“you sure did listen to a lot of <SAD SONGS> this year, <DROOPYFACE>! why not check out our Daily Uplift playlist? it’s made just for you with our own robot hands! we care about <YOU>!!!!!!”
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
Every time I open this thread I'm glad I stayed with Apple Music tbh.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
Spotify moved into the office space above my old job and I spent a lot of time thinking strongly about jumping ship to them
― DJP, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
i am not getting the recap as of yet, looking forward to being furiously angry at it
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
just hit the search tab on the still somehow confoundingly terrible app, it should be among the categories there
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
my top artists:
1 grateful dead2 bob Dylan (listened obsessively to slow train)3 keith jarrett4 jan garbarek5 the s.o.s. band
I really don't remember listening to the s.os. band that much. I am in the top 1% of Grateful Dead listeners for the year
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link
My most listened to song this year contained these lyrics:
Life is a rope, death is a mythLove is a fraud, it's misunderstoodWork is a sentence, family's a dragThis house is a trap
Who needs an unconscious?
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link
My summer long Bob Pollard listening project really dominated my Spotify (I listened to a lot of the albums I didn't have ripped to my iPhone yet through there).
1. Guided by Voices2. Robert Pollard3. Circus Devils4. Grateful Dead5. Boston Spaceships
I'm in the top 0.05% of GbV listeners for the year, apparently.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
1. Donna Summer2. Al Green3. The Sandpipers4. Hank Williams5. Giorgio Moroder
My top song for 2020 is Music Trance by Ben E King...I truly believe I am the only person in the world that statement applies to. It's not terribly evident by my artists list but my discover weekly playlists really broadened my listening horizons - in the past I have gone months without listening to something new, but I have found such random gems in my DW playlists that I never miss a week.
― musically, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
My Top Artists:
1. Cut Copy (I guess I did play their new album on repeat for a few weeks)2. Johnny Nash3. Suzanne Kraft (I play the Nash/Kraft album for bedtime / reading)4. Durutti Column (I expected this would have been number 1, but who knows)5. Sault
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
i got the top songs in the home screen but not the more granular stats which, frankly, i'm more interested in.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link
Spotify Wrapped is great! Idc, the algorithm makes me feel seen and I am comfortable with that.
1. CRJ (top 0.5%, woo)2. Charli XCX3. Orchestral Manoeuvres in Dark4. Wire5. Kesha
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link
1. Dylan2. Gillian Welch3. Hiroshi Yoshimura4. Sault5. Al Green
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:42 (four years ago) link
I can see my top songs but not my top artists/genres. I've tried mobile app, desktop app, web app, nada.
― real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link
same, I think it's a higher tier bonus?
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
nm - had to update the app on my phone!
― real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
Have you tried replayify.com? Lots of Spotify Developer tools provide functionality/listening data that the Spotify app doesn't.
― musically, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
Top artists
1. SAULT2. Cavern of Anti-Matter3. Men I Trust4. CFCF5. Ralph Towner
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
1. Underworld (ilx poll listening)2, Loscil3. Stars of the Lid (both bedtime listening)4. Jessie Ware5. Dua LipaPretty sure #6 would be Sault based on my Top Songs playlist
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:21 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
you know what, I definitely did not listen to the s.o.s. band that much this year and this is definitely wrong (the other 4 artists in the top ten absolutely track though)
― Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
I wish this app would stop trying to brand me or at least stop shoving what it’s determined to be my personality and lifestyle in my face. can you make this shit optional
― Left, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
1. The Rolling Stones2. The Replacements3. Jimi Hendrix4. Bob Dylan5. Cocteau Twins
a couple of ILM polls came into play, as well as some partner-approved albums and playlists
most of my Spotify use focuses on new-to-me albums, many of which I don't play again, so artists who got any amount of repeated play are overweighted relative to actual listening time
― Brad C., Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:20 (four years ago) link
1. Pixies2. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds3. Dexy's Midnight Runners4. Pearl Jam5. Kate Bush.
Which I guess shows I'm getting old, and didn't listen to much this year...
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
i listened to more new and varied stuff this year than probably ever so I’m disappointed my top 5 hasn’t changed at all and makes me look like an aging wire reader: 1. autechre 2. anthony braxton 3. alice coltrane 4. john coltrane 5. sonny rollins
― Left, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
The most confounding thing about my round-up was that ‘escape room’ was my fifth most listened-to genre... Idk what it is but it sounds about right.
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link
From 2016:
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:36 (four years ago) link
My top artist was Janet Jackson due to the ILM poll.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
I read the escape room thing a while back and I still don’t get it
― Left, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:48 (four years ago) link
I've thought about renaming it "intersectional pop", but the "escape room" name is kind of a thing now in itself.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link
1. Kevin Morby2. J Dilla3. Van Morrison4. Faces5. Lucinda Williams
― henry s, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
Oh! Is it kind of like Shambhala? That's an interesting article - love all the granular descriptor stuff.
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:56 (four years ago) link
idgi is it just “music that people who like charli xcx and fka twigs also tend to like” or what
― Left, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link
It's a good tag imo and the enigma is part of the appeal.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
Sucks that the recap is only available for phones this year. Whose dumb idea was this?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link
my top artists were the Orb, Fleetwood Mac, Underworld, Jefferson Airplane, Steely Dan ... but my top genre was microhouse?
― lukas, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link
1. Underworld (ilm poll)2. Janet Jackson (ilm poll)3. The 19754. Charli XCX5. Dua Lipa
That's a very ilm top 5. I find 3-5 quite surprising, in my mind I listened to their albums a couple of times all the way through and then kind of forgot about them, maybe that's all it takes
Top 2 genres were Art Pop and Float House which I guess I recognise
― or something, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
Part of the sucky ongoing storification of everything.
One minor fraction of a weekly Rogan payout would cover a nice big shiny set of customisable desktop end-of-year infographics for everyone but where's the ROI?
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
(^awesome display name!)
A coworker shared her top genres and wrote "But what is this?" over the graphic for Escape Room (her #2); I thought, "Let me introduce you to a fellow named Glenn..."
― wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
Artists1. The Rolling Stones2. Autechre3. András Schiff4. John Maus5. Wiener Philharmoniker
I decided to listen to more or less the whole Stones studio catalogue this year, instead of waiting for one of the major principals to die (partly inspired by that at-home performance of "You Can't Always Get What You Want"). I also listened to a lot of Bach and Bruckner earlier this year.
The "I'm John Maus. Please listen to my music on Spotify" ad from nine years ago (when I first joined, before I got Premium) seems to have proved very effective over the long term — seems like he's in my top 5 every year.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
1. Neil Young2. Taylor Swift3. Phoebe Bridgers4. Jimi Hendrix5. Blake Mills
these were all ilm threads
― foopin posts and pissin shits (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 3 December 2020 04:02 (four years ago) link
1 Stereolab (several days-long dives throughout the year)2-5 Hendrix, Bowie, Zappa, Neil Young
Top Genre was Soul, because I listened to the playlist for WFMU's Downtown Soulville all summer and followed up with an Atlantic R&B 1947-1974 playlist for another 2-3 weeks.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
I was in the top .05% for Autechre, probably because I started putting a random ae playlist on shuffle with the speakers off when I leave my desk for an hour at lunch. My #1 song was 'Pat-a-cake' because until recently my account was the default when my wife asks Sonos to play nursery rhymes for the kids.
― ledge, Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
It says I listened to 464 genres, I would like a list plz.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link
1. Sam Prekop2. Taylor Swift3. Jeff Parker4. Jessie Ware5. SAULT
A little surprised that Prekop ended up on top, but I guess I have listened to his new album a lot as background music.
Every single one of my top 100 songs were songs that ended up on my Best of 2019 playlist, which I spent the first five months of the year compiling and sequencing. My #1 song was "Capacity" by Charly Bliss, which I liked well enough to put on a (200-song) playlist but would not have chosen as one of my absolute favorites. The reason I streamed it 23 times is because I was having trouble figuring out where to slot it in the playlist and kept replaying it to test how it sounded going into one song or other.
I think this was the first year that jazz ended up in my top genres (at #5, after indie rock, electronica, pop, and art pop).
― jaymc, Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
My top songs are all from the Solaris soundtrack, which is my perennial 'music when I'm trying to nap on a train/plane/sofa' album. Cliff Martinez only #3 on my artists' list though. Rest are New Order, Magnetic Fields, Brian Eno and the Beatles. Eno is the only surprise there. Maybe I was giving his ambient works a go as alternative napping music.
― Alba, Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
Top vaguely new track is Julia Jacklin's Don't Know How To Keep Loving You, which I listened to three or four times in a row once, despite not having a relationship crisis to pin it on.
― Alba, Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
My tap track is "Workaround 2" off Beatrice Dillon's album, which as in jaymc's case is playlist-related — I keep a running playlist of songs I like from the current year, and that one went on there early because the album came out in February. So it's mostly been buoyed by me playing that playlist on shuffle repeatedly, plus also I've listened to that album a fair number of times.
I guess a song called "Workaround 2" from an album called Workaround is a fitting 2020 pick.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
top track, that is. tho it could be a tap track too.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
57k minutes, 700 genres. Apparently I'm in the top .1% of listeners to Janet Jackson so I have that going for me.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
5375 artists, including 2175 new onesTop artists:1. Kabza de Small2. DJ Maphorisa (my last.fm disagrees)3. Wizkid4. Fireboy DML5. Tiwa Savage876 genres, including 317 new ones (if you say so...)Top genres:1. Nigerian Pop2. South African Pop3. Pop4. Amapiano (more SA Pop!)5. Dancehall
― fat ass deep state operative (breastcrawl), Thursday, 3 December 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
1. Art Pop2. Funk3. Rock4. Fourth World5. Pop
― timber euros (seandalai), Friday, 4 December 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link
Weird that I have zero songs from my Year End #3 Artist in my Year End Playlist.
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 December 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
For my old heads pic.twitter.com/fvJ64LMTBJ— Iola Ella (@IolaElla) December 3, 2020
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 December 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
Just enjoyed 10 minutes of spinning wheel after clicking on an artist, now it won't play the album I was eventually able to get to. Oh wait it will play track 2! I hate to sound like an entitled motherfucker but I do pay money for this product which enables me to listen to almost any damn music on the planet at the click of a button but also fails at basic tasks every single day. And underpays artists. Unless they're right wing podcasters.
― ledge, Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
Was just reminded that on the mobile app (which I have barely used this year other than to control remotely the app on my Mac) you can see the specific release date of something but not on the desktop app >:[
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
update: won't play any tracks on the album other than 2 or 3.
― ledge, Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
The android app has been performing like shit lately. Constant sound dropouts, having to restart frequently. It forced me to re-download my 6000 offline tracks yesterday for no apparent reason.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link
Was just reminded that on the mobile app (which I have barely used this year other than to control remotely the app on my Mac) you can see the specific release date of something but not on the desktop app >:
And of course neither allow you to show even the year of release in playlist/library view. It's annoying.
― Alba, Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
i wonder if they can't just program a routine force stop into the app somehow. when you aren't using it. logo is green. grogu is hot. force stops. Disney to acquire spotify.
― we can dance forever at covideotheque (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 10 December 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
Yeah, lately every time I search a new artist and try to play a track, nothing happens until I force quit and restart. Great tech!
― Joe Biden Shot My Dog - Vols. I-XL (PBKR), Friday, 11 December 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
same problem but the answer has been to drop that music in a playlist that is set to download to my mac. plays fine after that! obviously not optimal!
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 December 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
OH MY GOD. The deals between the majors and the streaming services. The thread many of you requested. It gets a bit sticky, tricky and puzzling, but that’s the point.— Tom Gray #BrokenRecord (@MrTomGray) June 14, 2020
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 19 December 2020 10:30 (four years ago) link
Jfc
― DJI, Saturday, 19 December 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
The business model is so weird. Imagine being a record executive and being pitched “no one is paying for the CD for the yes album relayer these days, for example, so would you rather make pennies or nothing”
― calstars, Sunday, 20 December 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
Or maybe it would be “we can augment existing cd sales with a growing digital-based revenue source” ugh
― calstars, Sunday, 20 December 2020 03:07 (four years ago) link
this is a lot better than whatever spotify wrapped was
https://pudding.cool/2020/12/judge-my-spotify/
― Roz, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link
I just noticed a couple of days ago that in the Mobile app, Spotify will return search results of songs that contain the searched phrase in its lyrics. Is this relatively new?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:56 (three years ago) link
this is a lot better than whatever spotify wrapped washttps://pudding.cool/2020/12/judge-my-spotify/― Roz, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:48 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Roz, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:48 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Things I didn't know I needed till now: a robot that looks at my listening habits and says "what the fuck is wrong with you?"
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
The diagnosis you've really been waiting for rn.
― huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 06:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.spotlistr.com^^i've found this to be a useful tool, let's you create playlists from text, such as:
Joni Mitchell - AmeliaKacey Musgraves - RainbowLinda McCartney - I Got Up
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link
lol. I am 6% basic.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
"You are 3% basic. Have you considered there's a reason nobody listens to The Wolfgang Press?.
You're stuck in the early 2010s. You only listen to Obama-era jams like Don't Go Where I Can't Find You by Eraldo Bernocchi and 1,618 by Charlotte Adigéry."
Ha ha.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 13:09 (three years ago) link
I am 7% basic and also stuck in the early 2010s, though it seems to think 2017 = "early 2010s"
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
Also asked me if I listened to Perfect Way by Scritti Politti "ironically". GTFO.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 13:35 (three years ago) link
i got like, "you know there was music released before 2019, right?"
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link
I got accused of living in the 2000s and also a weird sideswipe at Ketty Lester that suggests A.I. still has some way to go
― Alba, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link
oh great another Miles Davis stan...
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
You are 14% basic. Karen Ramirez and Jupiter? Where do you even find this shit?
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
I did this but I hardly use Spotify and was pretty confused until I realised it was mostly basing the results off me listening to the ILM tracks poll playlists. I am definitely not obsessed with the 1975, I've never listened to them outside of that playlist! It also seems to think I listen to the Dirty Dancing soundtrack for some reason.
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
Patrick Swayze over here
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
"Your spotify was nineties-dorm-room-walmart-hawaiian-shirt-ken-burns-jazz bad" ok ouch
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link
It called “spirit” by Bauhaus an Obama-era jam...
― Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
“Your Spotify was ponytail pop escape room tay tay fan girl bad” AND“Your taste is so obscure that’s so cool I bet you’re super interesting...”
(What is ‘escape room’? Is it a Spotify made up genre or something?)
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
Yes, pretty much. It’s discussed upthread and here is an explanation:https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f
― Alba, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
Did the pudding thing and I dunno.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
imo we should just make a playlist collecting all the songs we "listened to way too much" in order to make this thing productive
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
Yeah
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/UV0ksAN.png
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
2% basic, bow to me suckers
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link
15% basic. I stan these artists to an uncomfortable extent:
Fiona AppleTaylor SwiftThey Might Be GiantsJanet JacksonBillie Eilish
(TMBG are due to the ILM poll a couple years ago)
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link
The other 4 it's true I stan to an uncomfortable extent though.
3% basic thanks to edgelord listening habits like this:You're stuck in the early 2010s. You only listen to Obama-era jams like Baa Baa Black Sheep by Nursery Rhymes 123 and Jelly on a Plate by Nursery Rhymes 123.
― ledge, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
I got "oh great another Gunn-Truscinski Duo stan"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
You only listen to Obama-era jams like El Bandito Pt. 1 by Delroy Edwards and Untitled Reversion by Lee Gamble.lol
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
ok that was fun
2 percent basic
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
17% basic because my ex-wife used to share my account and just listened to future and 21 savage constantly :'-( she really destroyed my algorithim
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
Ha, I eventually got a family account so my wife could listen to her own stuff and my year end wouldn't be all 50 Cent.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
Sort of weird because I split between Apple Music and Spotify.
Listen too much:Lithics, "Excuse Generator"Cat Power, "I Don't Blame You"Sextile, "Disco"The Fall, "Theme From Sparta FC"Priests, "The Seduction of Kansas"
my taste is studded-leather-jacket badlilith-fair badskrt-skrt badweeping-in-your-bourbon bad
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link
Certified 0% basic
I think it got a bit confused as it called Jyocho idol-rock but OK.
― your passion oozzes from the (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/KhYKnmK/Screenshot-20201223-220440.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mG7Yssn/Screenshot-20201223-220515.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Jdb7PHH/Screenshot-20201223-220809.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/0c1YLLr/Screenshot-20201223-220820.jpg
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 December 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link
I didn’t really find this funny, sorry. Not Zappa-level unfunny but still.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link
it shamed me for liking Kendrick Lamar and it's not funny
― lukas, Thursday, 24 December 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link
It's like an annoying roommate or cousin or co-worker who picks up some random article from your stuff and says "haha, you like this?"
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link
I forgot who posted that screenshot but was reminded when I saw Iced Earth.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
That’s the joke, innit?
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 24 December 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
D'oh!
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link
"Your spotify was so-ambient-its-barely-music-mom-and-dads-date-night-swiftie-fangirl bad."
― groovypanda, Thursday, 24 December 2020 13:14 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/17/us/test-on-street-language-says-it-s-not-grant-in-that-tomb.html
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
Not that it really matters, but did Spotify remove the ability to scrobble to last fm?
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Thursday, 31 December 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
well, it would matter, but it seems to be working fine atm #knockingonwood(last.fm does have the occasional hiccup tho in my experience, so maybe you’re having one of those?)
― obsessed with quality over quantity or the need to produce tracks (breastcrawl), Thursday, 31 December 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
I occasionally have to re-enter credentials for last fm scrobbling but it's been fine recently.
― new variant (onimo), Thursday, 31 December 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
I just noticed it scrobbled some stuff I played on my phone this morning, but the desktop app for Linux doesn't have last fm in the Settings. Lemme go check the changelogs from the project I guess?
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Friday, 1 January 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link
SPOTIFY TYPO, IDENTIFIED:
spotify:track:4DkW4or9lWD1psWQvfE0WO
Rothko Chapelby Morton Feldman
Rohtko Chapel 1
https://i.imgur.com/CV3W8Mc.png
― Karl Malone, Friday, 1 January 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
bitroht
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 2 January 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
― Dog Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 January 2021 02:40 (three years ago) link
My most recent RR has all kinds of confusing ringers, artist-wise and title-wise.
― Dog Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 January 2021 06:54 (three years ago) link
> Based on your listening habits, I can also tell you your spotify was...> remember-when-williamsburg-was-cool bad
Quite impressed that it picked this out (among other things). I have been hitting the 'High Maintenance' play list recently.
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 2 January 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
Pretty sure this isn't Johnny Marr: https://open.spotify.com/track/097pzmJXGs1xdpGr7g7Atk?si=1Wh1fcwBQzy4D7D4FGnPXw
― DJI, Saturday, 2 January 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
Okay, I’ve got and X plus collabo of Roger Miller and Buck Owens, neither of which seems to be the artists I am familiar with sorry.
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 03:04 (three years ago) link
Oh and then Cream.
Luna too
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
And Fanny
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 03:06 (three years ago) link
The Outsiders. WTF?
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 03:07 (three years ago) link
I got the Roger Miller / Buck Owens collab too, lol
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 8 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
Pretty impressive direction for two dead country icons.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 8 January 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
this isnt justin k broadrick https://open.spotify.com/album/42TWZTm8U1tZP1wSiM8Zsu?si=fU3LtlH2SwusFkyNPS-QKA
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 8 January 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2021 01:25 (three years ago) link
Can you still sync local files with the mobile app? Via a playlist or something ?
― calstars, Saturday, 9 January 2021 02:27 (three years ago) link
On desktop, you can choose a playlist folder and play the whole folder (or shuffle it). Am I missing something, or is this impossible on the iOS app?
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
That hasn't been available on mobile apps for years
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
My Discover Weekly playlist currently says "This playlist is currently empty". Anyone else getting that? Shades of "Today, there is no news".
― Alba, Monday, 18 January 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link
working for me, haven't got round to listening to ࿃ूੂ࿃ूੂੂ࿃ूੂOOOOOOOOOOOO ̟̞̝̜̙̘̗̖҉̵̴̨̧̢̡̼̻̺̹̳̲̱̰̯̮̭̬̫̪̩̦̥̤̣̠҈͈͇͉͍͎͓͔͕͖͙͚͜͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢ͅ ooooooooo by ⣎⡇ꉺლ༽இ•̛)ྀ◞ ༎ຶ ༽ৣৢ؞ৢ؞ؖ ꉺლ off ooo ̟̞̝̜̙̘̗̖҉̵̴̨̧̢̡̼̻̺̹̳̲̱̰̯̮̭̬̫̪̩̦̥̤̣̠҈͈͇͉͍͎͓͔͕͖͙͚͜͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢ͅ oʅ͡͡͡͡͡͡͡͡͡͡͡( ؞ৢ؞ؙؖ⁽⁾˜ัิีึื์๎้็๋๊⦁0 ̟̞̝̜̙̘̗̖҉̵̴̨̧̢̡̼̻̺̹̳̲̱̰̯̮̭̬̫̪̩̦̥̤̣̠҈͈͇͉͍͎͓͔͕͖͙͚͜͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢͢ͅ ఠీੂ೧ູ࿃ूੂ yet though.
― ledge, Monday, 18 January 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
Mine has now replenished and it looks like a good one.
― Alba, Monday, 18 January 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
The android app's performance has been total garbage lately. Lots of pauses, crashes, slowness. Very frustrating.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 18 January 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
Desktop app choosing to not play anything by mogwai today.
― ledge, Friday, 22 January 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
Did you get your computer wet?
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 22 January 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
Sorry.
In the past week, the android app also tried to load and then re-load all my offline tracks multiple times. I updated permissions to let spotify manage storage, which I hope will stop this.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 22 January 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
I used to be able to Smart Zoom (double-tap mouse) in Spotify to zoom in on cover art, but no more. Sad!
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:08 (three years ago) link
These two were mocking people for wearing masks and downplaying the severity of COVID just a few months ago, now they're doing shows and blaming the crowd for being there. Unreal. https://t.co/AdfGACsvi7— almostperfect.co.za (@almostperfectza) January 30, 2021
Spotify paid this guy $100 million of musicians' money to tell people to take vitamins and plant pigments instead of the COVID vaccines, because everyone's going to catch the 'vid anyway but zinc stops all viruses in their tracks.
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 31 January 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
Dude has used 14.4 of that 100 to "flee overcrowding and homelessness" in Los Angeles by buying a mansion in Austin. (obv spending over 14 million dollars on one house in Texas is a great way of combatting the houselessness in California that badly affected Joe Rogan! thanks Mr Ek.)
because he believes that there he can create a place where comics feel safe and are surrounded by like-minded artists (despite ppl repeatedly catching covid at his maskless live shows)
and people who wear double masks against the new mutant strains are dumb bcz they “don’t know anything about vitamins and quercetin and saunas”
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 7 February 2021 08:54 (three years ago) link
Today my Release Radar has tracks by the wrong Devo, the wrong The Cult and the wrong Tricky :(
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 12 February 2021 14:40 (three years ago) link
Are we not Devo? We are Devo!
― Alba, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
I've got the wrong Devo too, and, for the second week running, a chapter of the audiobook of Bob Dylan's Chronicles – in German!
― Alba, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
I got Roosevelt for the 37th time despite telling it I don't like Roosevelt almost as many times.
― nashwan, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
Wish there was an 'about' button for albums.
― ledge, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
And the album cover could be at least 25% bigger in full screen mode.
― ledge, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
More! Even on desktop with the left panel expanded to the max, it's only about 8cm square on my screen. Would be great to be able to double click on it or whatever and get a big version.
― Alba, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't mind more access to those little looped video clips that I only get on the iPhone. Is there a name for them? *googles* Oh, Canvas.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
I'm very happy with them being phone only! Though as someone said above, having album's exact release date on mobile only seems like a weirder discrepancy.
― Alba, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link
Christ the shuffle is shite. Plays the most recently plays first. Deep cuts will wait another century
― calstars, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 01:20 (three years ago) link
It's March 1 and 'It's Spring' by Sun Ra is on my Discover Weekly. I'm not saying I don't believe it's all algorithmic but …
― Alba, Monday, 1 March 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
Hi Glenn - Are you still lurking? I have a question about your (awesome!)New Releases by Genre website:
Is there a way to add more than one genre to the query?
― DJI, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link
Yes! Pick the first one, and then you'll see little gray "+" links when you hover over the others in the list. You can keep adding them until the URL-length maxes out...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:30 (three years ago) link
I’d like to do the opposite. Is there a way to remove genres? I’ve no interest in Dinner Jazz or ASMR for example.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 07:17 (three years ago) link
wow that's a cool site!
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 10:35 (three years ago) link
silly me for thinking this bump was to address the many protests happening at Spotify hqs around the globe yesterday
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 11:45 (three years ago) link
There's no anti-filter, but you can just pick the genres you DO want.
(Token in-person "protests" at closed offices during a pandemic seem like the definition of "publicity stunt", but I didn't go see if anybody showed up outside the Boston office.)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn! Now if you would support Tidal, that would be great (had to add Tidal after Spotify removed DJ support). ;)
― DJI, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link
Paul, maybe you'd like to address them and throw up a link? I don't know what's being protested, there's lots of options.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
Thanks Glenn, will do that. I said I’ve no interest in ASMR recordings but do find some of the covers unintentionally amusing.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
Glenn this site is very great, but I am unclear, is there a way to just let it play the songs on the list or to make it into a Spotify playlist? What I'm getting is the ability to click one song at a time and hear like 30s of it (and then if I like it I can click through to the album on my Spotify and mark that I like it there.)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
If you put it into "checklist" mode you can check all the stuff you want, and it makes a list of Spotify URIs at the bottom that you can just copy and paste into a playlist...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
cool works!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
are we supposed to just guess what Paul is thinking about every day, google that, and then post links to it in every thread on the board though?
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
I just thought forks was interested in a link so I gave him one sheesh
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
I wasn’t calling you “sheesh” there, sic, in case you thought that was some weird punning treeship thing
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
"publicity" for what?
― rob, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
The group is calling for increased transparency in the company’s business practices, an end to lawsuits filed against artists, and a user-centric payment model that pays a cent per stream, among other things.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link
very much agreed! tbc my post was directed at glenn's "publicity stunt" comment, which I find v puzzling as a criticism or dismissal of any protest really
― rob, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
bringing publicity to an issue by protesting about it? it'll never catch on as a tactic
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:39 (three years ago) link
I was referring specifically to them protesting at Spotify's physical offices when the company's staff have all been working from home for over a year.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link
Protests are for public opinion, not to convince data-crunchers and UI designers to change CEO policies, by slowing the employees down while getting a sandwich. If they're going to gather outside a place, it might as well be somewhere that says "spotify" on the building in case ppl see the photographs, rather than at a random petrol station.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link
I don't think publicity stunts are the only possible kind of protest, and I would be super-happy to talk to protesters if they come back after my office reopens. But I know that dialogue is not actually their goal, having made offers to talk to them in other formats and been declined. (Nor do their specific financial demands make any structural sense, but I totally support the call for transparency...)
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
Okay, I'll bite: do you think that artists are being fairly compensated for pay-per-spin at the 1/3 of a penny to 1/5 of a penny rate? You see that as sustainable for an independent performer?
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 04:23 (three years ago) link
but if you INVEST that 1/3rd of a penny, it might become 2/3rds of a penny in 3 months
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 04:47 (three years ago) link
I suspect that the response will be along the following lines:
*the problem is the record companies, not Spotify;*let's make the pie bigger instead of talking about how we divide the pie;*we didn't create this world (Napster did) and things are never going back.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 11:18 (three years ago) link
The major labels might be the bigger problem for individual artists on bad deals, but that topic has its own set of complexities that mostly don't have to do with streaming.
The Napster point is half right, in that streaming isn't what crashed the recorded-music business. If you haven't already spent some time pondering the details of this graph, you should:
https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/
(switch it from "Revenue" to "Revenue (Adusted for Inflation)", but keep in mind that this is all in retail terms, so it overweights physical sales (~55% cut) a lot, and downloads (~35% cut) a little, relative to streaming (~30% cut))
What this tells us is that the recorded-music business in 2013 was worth about a third of what it was worth in 1999, and after several years of regrowth is still only back to half its CD-peak size. And meanwhile the number of artists releasing globally-accessible music has grown enormously. So that's a pretty difficult combination, long before you get to talking about fairness.
Can streaming get the music business back to (or beyond) its CD peak? Maybe. I think it's not yet clear either way. But it does seem possible.
Meanwhile, the "per-stream rate" is a statistical artifact, calculated after the fact as an average. It's now how payments are determined, so demanding that it be changed just shows you don't understand the business. And even as a diagnostic metric, talking about rates instead of actual money is totally useless. Whether any per-stream number is enough obviously depends entirely on how many streams there are, both for evaluating artist livability and comparing services.
E.g., it's true that Tidal ends up with a higher average rate when you divide their royalty money by their streams, but that's because their only distinguishing feature (for now) is their $20/mo lossless option, which has a trivially small number of takers compared to all the competing $10/mo or ad-supported options. Similarly, Apple Music has no ad-supported plan, so their effective per-stream "rate", averaging over just their normal $10/mo plans and their family and bundle discounts, is higher than Spotify's averaged over premium/family/ad-supported, but Apple's number of users and number of streams and total money are all far lower. As prime UMAW contributor Damon Krukowski once pointed out, himself, Galaxie 500 gets more streams from Spotify in 2 days than they do from Apple Music in a month. He then ironically tries to turn this around and demand that Spotify pay the same "rate" as Apple. But Spotify and Apple already pay essentially the same actual rates, which are calcuated as ~70% of revenue, not per-stream. All the streaming services pay basically this same amount and method. The difference in per-stream averages is a result, not an independent variable.
Thus the real economic questions have very little to do with these rates, and yes, are more in the spirit of "how big is the pie?" Like: Are streaming services fairly priced? What would get more people to pay (or generate) money for music? Is streaming exposure fairly distributed? What does "fair" mean in the context of 8m+ artists, algorithmic recommendations, royalty-allocation methods, etc. How many artists can streaming support at a this-is-my-real-job level, and what determines which ones?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
A+++ great post Glenn
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link
I should say again, for people just joining us, that I work at Spotify, but am not in charge of any element of Spotify business policy. And while I do definitely defend Spotify, and streaming in general, as being a cultural good for music-listening and not obviously immoral as an overall business proposition, I think the whole streaming proposition is still at what we will look back on as an early state, and that neither Spotify nor the rest of the industry have good-enough answers to all of those hard questions yet.
And, in particular, the lack of transparency is not only one of the most obvious current weaknesses of the whole system, but arguably a material factor in all the other real and perceived issues.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
I should say again, for people just joining us, that I work at Spotify, but am not in charge of any element of Spotify business policy.
You're just in charge of giving things silly genre names like "Escape Room".
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link
Not just that, but yes.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
It's now how payments are determined
did you mean "it's not" instead of "it's now"? not sure if im confused or if it's a typo
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
Yes, ugh. Proofreading failure! None of the main current streaming services set a per-stream rate, all of them actually pay by taking ~70% of revenue for a payment period and splitting it up according to stream-shares from that period. In Spotify's case (and I assume the others), this is actually done for each payment-option in each country, so the money from US full-price premium accounts is split up according to the stream-shares from just those account-holders for that period, same for the Canadian family-plan accounts, the Belgian ad-supported accounts, etc. So this is why the actual effective rates an individual artist sees will vary both across plans and countries and over time.
This is why it makes no sense to demand a change to the per-stream rate. It isn't a thing that is controlled directly. One can easily speculate that any given service's effective rate would probably go up if they raised their prices, but if, say, Apple Music unilaterally raised its rates from $10/mo to $20/mo, presumably many of its current subscribers would immediately cancel and switch to a $10/mo competitor. So it seems likely that the amount of money paid in royalties would actually go down even as the effective rate per-stream went up.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:06 (three years ago) link
i appreciate you taking the time to discuss
Do you think the current pay-sharing system is sustainable from the artist side as the big companies try to get anywhere near 2000 numbers? It seems like 95% of current recording artists on your service don't see any meaningful direct financial benefit from being on there except that, as it's the dominant service, they either have to be on there or risk being ignored by audiences an industry alike? Is the argument that Spotify functions as "paid radio" and not as record "sales" at all? Or that it's most beneficial as a house for and long tail income stream for label catalogue?
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link
Like: Are streaming services fairly priced?
I think the answer to this is "No", indisputably, for the artist. Compare it to a reasonable suite of streaming video services (Cable, Netflix, Amazon, etc.) and the price should, fairly, be substantially higher than it is ($30/mo would seem a minimum, to pick a number out of a hat). Whether a significant enough portion of users would continue the service, or whether Spotify itself (not streaming) would survive on reduced numbers are another question.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
*continue the service at $30 or higher
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
I don't know how you can ask the question about fair pricing without also asking, how much profit does Spotify "deserve" to make? You might also ask, why is famously Swedish company Spotify legally registered in Luxembourg? And so on.
― rob, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
Spotify has never made a profit, iirc, so "deserve's got nothing to do with it."
For sure there are late-stage capitalism issues tied up in all of this.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
you do not recall correctly
― rob, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
but yeah my larger point was that if we follow glenn in asking "the real economic questions" then they need to be broader than just consumer pricing and market forces
― rob, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:38 (three years ago) link
Sure, I don't pretend to know how one would determine a "fair" cut for the operators of a streaming service, and Spotify's historical unprofitability is, as has always been explicitly stated, a result of optimizing for expansion over short-term profit, and thus not inherently a defense of the current 30%.
But even if you imagine streaming services dropping their cuts to 15%, to match what Bandcamp keeps, that's only a 21% increase in what they would be paying in royalties, not anything like the 3x factor implied by the UMAW campaign.
User-centric payment models would make even less difference (and generally in the opposite direction from the one that advocates claim to want), with most artists likely to see no more than a ~5% shift, and the most popular artists tending to benefit more than the mid-tier and independent ones.
So that's why I, at least, do end up pretty convinced that my most economically-relevant goal, as a person working at a streaming service, should be to try to get more people more excited about and engaged in music, and thus more likely to spend more money on it and to discover and support more artists. I don't see any way in which the industry is going to support a lot more musicians by rearranging the existing money structures.
(Literal socialism would work, of course, and is my personal preferred solution, but that's outside of what I can work on with algorithms.)
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:08 (three years ago) link
What would the vast majority of artists whose streaming revenue is so low as to be functionally zero care if increasing the cost of a Spotify subscription to a fair level causes subscribers to leave Spotify and Spotify to go under? That seems like a problem for Spotify, not for the majority of artists.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link
Obviously that's not a solution, but it is a rebuttal to claims that you can't raise the price.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
I'm not saying that we can't raise the price, I'm saying that if your goal as an artist IS to make more money, then it doesn't help you to make LESS money from fewer streams but know that the ratio between those two numbers went up.
If, as an artist, you don't currently care about your revenue because it's negligible, then it's even more likely that you would prefer more listeners over higher prices or rates.
If you don't care about money OR listeners, then probably the system is working fine for you already...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link
What would feel more fair to subscribers is more like "seven dollars of my monthly rate is divided by the 872 tracks I played, and then each 0.8 of a cent goes to the artist and label owning each track.
― Citole Country (bendy), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
yeah obviously not. in an attempt to become a nigh-monopoly, Spotify set a goal to change consumer spending from hundreds of dollars a month to one hundred dollars a year. their "hear it in less shitty quality" option was not a link to buy a CD or download from the artist, but a higher-priced subscription to Spotify. literally devaluing music has resulted in music being a less sustainable option for musicians.
giving Joe Rogan $100 million of musicians' money to broadcast COVID-denialism might result in some of the user base dying, too, so that cuts the pie smaller.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
how many Spotify subscribers were spending hundreds of dollars a month on recorded music in 2009?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:07 (three years ago) link
Podcast acquisitions come out of venture capital, not music royalties. Everything Spotify spends money on, other than (I think) credit-card processing fees, comes out of the 30% cut after royalties are paid...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
Even if no streaming services existed, and search platforms that helped users find piracy sites were rigorously prosecuted the way they should have been all along, and those piracy sites were hunted down by the WTO sic'ing the CIA and Interpol on them, music sales would be dropping in the modern era due to the slipperiness of how easy it is in an internet/iphone world to find vastly cheaper music listening substitutes to buying hundreds of dollars worth of cds/mp3s per year. I love spotify so much in spite of its flaws, but if it wasn't there, I would be using software to find radio programs from around the world, there would be enormous efforts made to make cool streaming radio stations famous, there would be websites that help you find exactly what kind of strange music you are interested in right now; and satellite/pandora style radio services would be more popular as well, many of them ad-free and subscription priced. This would be a worse outcome for the music listener, but how much better would it really be for the artists that want to sell mp3s? Would they really sell a ton of mp3s? Isn't the answer no, because that is what the Beatles/Zeppelin/Zappa estates and Drag City etc. found out when they tried not streaming for a decade, in hopes that not being on platforms would continue to drive sales demand?
> Spotify set a goal to change consumer spending from hundreds of dollars a month to one hundred dollars a year.
But this was only ever a lifestyle held by 5% of the population right? Every single adult I knew growing up had a stack of 20-100 cds amassed over a 10 year period. That's exactly the same revenue as Spotify. The difference is, Galaxie 500 fans were the types of people buying $100 of product a month. It's those people, us, who are making out like bandits with Spotify. So it is hurting the marginal artist's livelihood much more.
I don't see how we can go back to the way it was before. People are reading free content on the internet because if you charge for the WaPo,
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
...there are 10 similar articles to what you want to read on WaPo that aren't as well-researched but cover the same info and aren't paywalled. The same will happen will music and eventually television perhaps (as youtubers/twitchers take over more and more of the content pie)
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:49 (three years ago) link
I’m not sure on that last point, b/c ppl will always pay for superior content. But yeah, I know younger folks who came of age in the Limewire era and never bought a CD in their lives.
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
(I also agree that the literal devaluation of music is bad, and wish I had a solution behind still personally buying music that I’m a fan of)
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
*beyond
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
how many stopped is the relevant point.
Spotify made $7.44 billion dollars in revenue selling other peoples' music to customers in 2019. The two founders have paid themselves billions of dollars. It would be good if musicians saw more of the proceeds of their creativity and labour than Joe Rogan or an executive from a marketing company, imo.Whether or not Rogan's deal is fairly valued prima facie, the principal being paid out in that deal has been generated by undervaluing the labour of others, and thus removing their access to other forms of revenue.(The deal also comes at the exact moment when the primary remaining form of revenue for most working musicians has been completely eradicated due to other circumstances, so it bites harder.)― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:31 AM (nine months ago)
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:31 AM (nine months ago)
If the Rogan money comes from an exclusive pile contributed by venture capital investors, even if it was sought specifically to expand the podcast/spoken side of the business, those investors are assessing Spotify's value as created by exploiting the work of musicians.
(Signing Rogan was nagl when he was merely a credulous doofus platforming cryptonazis; it looks worse months into the deal when he's advising to avoid the COVID vaccines because zinc makes you immune.)
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link
I'm not really here to explain capitalism, but the founders haven't "paid" themselves billions of dollars, that's stock-market value from ownership stakes. I agree that the stock market is a weird part of the economy.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
(I meant "paid themselves" rhetorically in the sense of setting up the company's operations such that they get lots of money, not that it's specifically been in the form of fortnightly wages; if reports of their personal wealth are incorrect, apologies to the thread for my credulity or misreading. Glenn and I agree about socialism as well as the stock market.)
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link
Couldn't help but think of this on seeing those RIAA revenue charts nosedive after the year 2000: https://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/11/business/5-music-companies-settle-federal-case-on-cd-price-fixing.html
The FTC said the cost to consumers of the record companies' illegal price fixing was $480 million over three years when yearly revenue was running at $20 billion, so it's not as if that alone was driving a substantial amount of the gains. We all know the internet is to blame for the post-2000 drop. The record companies' public and moral case was certainly not helped by years of illegally propping up prices though, and I doubt the average consumer draws much of a distinction between the record companies and musicians.
― skip, Thursday, 18 March 2021 01:59 (three years ago) link
And it’s happening. From streaming on Spotify alone, we’re seeing growth from artists at all stages of their career: since 2017, the number of artists generating more than $50K/yr is up 80%; more than $100K/yr is up 85%; and more than $1M/year is up 90%. pic.twitter.com/x9sHxddEDq— Daniel Ek (@eldsjal) March 18, 2021
these stats are not very reassuring
― ufo, Friday, 19 March 2021 01:11 (three years ago) link
i was still buying CDs when i could throughout my years of pirating and i stopped when i started streaming. i'm sure i'm not the only one. i use spotify every day and i'm pretty sure it's been a bad thing for music in general and for my relationship with it
― nothing (Left), Friday, 19 March 2021 03:04 (three years ago) link
and yet
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 19 March 2021 09:49 (three years ago) link
here’s one. how come spotify can never remember that i want to listen through my airplay speakers? i select them many times a day. i literally never want to listen through my phone speaker. so why does it always default to that?? it’s the little things. like connecting to speakers.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 March 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
$100,000 worth of medical advice from Rogan and Jim Breuer. The experts thought this pandemic was going to be bad at the start, but it's all overblown and the doctors just won't admit that they got it wrong. Only 6% of the reported deaths are real. Nearly everyone who has died of it is obese anyway. Don't take a test, because then the government will know if you have it. Doctors should just give you zinc and steroids to make it go away if you tell them you have it, which you know for sure because you gave it to your wife (who has stage 4 cancer) and one of your daughters, and your other two chickenshit daughters moved out of the house wearing cowards' facemasks. You didn't tell anyone until three months later, though, because you didn't want any promoters to cancel your comedy club bookings. Also, people transition gender for sympathy bcz if "they were marginalized for being genuinely dumb people, if they transfer over and become another gender, then they get praised."
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:07 (three years ago) link
hey stet fyi that dollar signs break url tags
"$100,000,000 worth of..."
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:08 (three years ago) link
why is this here
― nothing (Left), Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:45 (three years ago) link
hey remember when everyone insisted rogan wasnt that bad
― nothing (Left), Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:46 (three years ago) link
Yea,I loved Newsradio
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 March 2021 11:44 (three years ago) link
glad to see Breuer still seems perpetually drunk
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
because spotify is paying joe rogan $100 million for it
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 22 March 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
Still haven't heard of Spotify
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 March 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
I love how I sometimes forget that Spotify gave an idiot covid denier conspiracy theorist one hundred million dollars, then I go 'oh hey remember when Spotify gave that idiot covid denier conspiracy theorist ten million dollars? Ten million dollars, that's insane! Oh wait...'
― Ignore the neighsayers: grow a lemon tree (ledge), Monday, 22 March 2021 14:45 (three years ago) link
My latest spotify gripe/workaround is the way that the "Song Radio" feature functions. I would have expected that "Song Radio" would play songs similar to the one I've selected. What it seems to actually do is pick the midpoint between the selected song and Spotify's music taste profile it's magic'd togetherfor me, which usually means I get songs that I already have Liked or music that sounds nothing like what I seeded. I've found to get the behaviour I expect is to create a new playlist containing just that song, and then the Recommended Songs actually do seem all to be closely related. I found some incredible stuff this way that I would otherwise have had to wait for Discover Weekly to dredge up.
The perfect solution here would be for there to be some kind of Algorithm Personalisation slider somewhere, but as discussed upthread somewhere, Spotify aren't really into giving users control of their experience in that way.
― I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
this annoys me as well, I used to love the autoplay feature but these days it tends to just always play the same stuff. Everything even vaguely electronic always gets me:
- something from the latest autechre albums- Leaves Against The Sky by Actress- I Don't Love Me Anymore by Oneohtrix Point Never- Dismantle by Andy Stott- after that other tracks from these same albums with a couple of other more random artists mixed in
It used to be much more varied than this
― silverfish, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
A less varied autoplay list might have come from the algorithm becoming more conservative over time (Algorithm Personalisation slider set to high), or it could be that since Spotify knows more about someone the more they use it, the personalised data might "drag" the autoplay selections towards stuff Spotify already knows you like. Either way, it's a weird quirk and it would be nice if the spotify boffins would sort out.
― I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
I find Spotify does a great job surfacing new music but once you start going back in time even a couple years you often get the same stale popular tracks.
Perhaps it has to do with the way the algorithms are trained. For new songs, there is little to no previous engagement (the "cold start" problem) and recommendations are made based on underlying track attributes (see https://medium.com/cuepoint/visualizing-hundreds-of-my-favorite-songs-on-spotify-fe50c94b8af3 for some examples - Loudness, Danceability, Valence, Energy, etc). For old songs, there is years of data and success labels may be created based on engagement - i.e. a customer listening to a song for a certain amount of time. These labels are used to train supervised recommendation models where the content-based features are used only as part of the prediction. You end up with a situation where the tracks that are most broadly appealing to the largest number of people get promoted, creating a feedback loop that turns off power users who want more diversity.
There are some extremely smart people at Spotify working on this issue but it is a difficult balance to strike between recommending new and interesting songs and giving people stuff that has been successfully recommended in the past.
― skip, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
Yeah, a more discovery-oriented radio option would be nice. I don’t think It’s that much down to personalization as if I start the same song as radio on my wife’s account I get similar results (though I guess our listening patterns aren’t wildly dissimilar in the grand scheme of things).
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
I got frustrated with this recently doing some disco/hi-NRG artists' radio playlists on a road trip. It seems like what's going on underneath the surface is the algorithm 1) finds similar artists, probably a mix of Netflix-style collaborative filtering and musical content analysis and then 2) recommends some of the most popular tracks from those similar artists. (Alternately, they could be doing it at the track level and then applying a diversification or ranking scheme to ensure both similarity and variety at the artist level, but the result is similar.)
Discover Weekly seems to do a really good job if you are listening to a lot of new music.
― skip, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:51 (three years ago) link
It keeps dumping my recent activity and recent searches recently. So I have to look things up instead of having the links already populated.Or last week it had the images for links up but wouldn't connect with tehm and just gave me a message saying something went wrong.What is up with this device
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
this is definitely a frustration with dance music, it is difficult to get it to recommend something outside of a closed loop of artists and tracks. Like if you've already dug a little bit, it isn't going to get you down any further.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
wtf is this "my episodes" bullshit and why can i not just download a podcast without it becoming one of "my episodes" ??? they are two separate buttons!!!
― this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:19 (three years ago) link
I have to start and stop the app and or WiFi and of mobile data multiple times to open a single podcast episode every time
― Suggest Banazir (onimo), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
yeah, sometime in the last year it shifted into this thing where even opening the "downloads" tab, it's spinning around looking for signal/connection and i'm like, this is why i downloaded the goddamn podcasts in the first place.
― this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:29 (three years ago) link
I'd totally switch to using Spotify as my podcast app if there weren't free alternatives that are both more reliable and feature-rich. Surprises me that polishing up the app to best in class is considered a less effective way of getting market penetration than spending a fortune on sclusies.
― I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:40 (three years ago) link
I can't say I'm a fan of this new build at all. Where's the search bar? And why can't I drag and drop albums into a folder any more?
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 26 March 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
"mesh cinereaL" by autechre is missing the last 38 seconds on spotify. It's all there on Youtube Music, so this looks like an issue specific to Spotify. It's a couple of extra bleeps and bloops on a 24 minute track, but this is very important.
― silverfish, Friday, 26 March 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
wait, are you saying they've tried to remove the search bar again? Which platform?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 26 March 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
if you listen to 'Deceit' all the way through, spotify will say 'ALBUM RADIO BASED ON Deceit' at the top. feels like an admission of sorts.
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 March 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
Argh, this new version is barely usable. What is going on?
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link
Which build are you talking about, on what platform?
― Alba, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
spotifythread.biz
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 07:41 (three years ago) link
Just the latest update to my Mac. Not sure on the version. They've taken away the search bar at the top so now you have to click search. Editing playlists is all fiddly and unresponsive. And I can't seem to drag albums into folder playlists any more; instead I have to make a new playlist in the folder, title it, then drag it in
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:15 (three years ago) link
1.1.54 apparently.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:44 (three years ago) link
I have the search bar and I can still drag albums into playlists. I'm on Mac 1.1.55.498.gf9a83c60 so maybe update?
― Alba, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:47 (three years ago) link
ah i can see it says an update is available (thought i had just updated). damn, that means talking to a company admin
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:53 (three years ago) link
having seen the update but not downloaded, it looks terrible and appears to hamstring various usabilities, every change seems user hostile
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link
I gave up struggling with the Windows desktop app about three months ago. It had become agonisingly slow, with 90% of searches searches taking over a minute, and sometimes up to 10 minutes. I tried switching off hardware acceleration, and I even - with great reluctance - switched off the ability to incorporate local files. Neither made the slightest difference. So I just use the web version within Chrome now; it has its downsides (no standardisation of volume betweeen tracks, no scrobbling etc), but it's better than the alternative.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 14:59 (three years ago) link
I had something like that on the Windows desktop app a few months ago (but I think quite a bit more than three months ago), but now searches are fine. Might try a full remove and install, unless you already have done so?
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
it keeps popping up on my girlfriends computer but we did not add it and it is not in programs to get rid of so how do you delete it?
― xzanfar, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link
ok boomer
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
Holy shit. Spotify just invented radio. pic.twitter.com/qTReMyeY7J— Thom Ashworth (@thomashworth) March 31, 2021
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 08:25 (three years ago) link
that is the standard snark, but it's more than that - it's IP-distributed & potentially interactive, with analytics and data that broadcast radio can only dream of
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 09:52 (three years ago) link
Is there a way to request Freebird through the app?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link
it's IP-distributed & potentially interactiveo shit Spotify just invented Shoutcast and love song dedications
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
look i'm not saying it's going to be any good. Apple had - and still has - all the pieces to do this right with Beats 1 integrating with their catalogue but they (imo) half-assed the execution, have barely marketed it, and don't appear to care much about changing that. turns out 1) radio is hard! 2) day-parting matters! 3) audiences can tell when content only exists to upsell you into different parts of a product
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 23:31 (three years ago) link
They added listening history (“recently played”)! That‘s been long desired, I think. Looks like it goes back to 2021-01-01
― Dan I., Thursday, 1 April 2021 03:41 (three years ago) link
I joined Spotify in 2014 when they acquired The Echo Nest, where I was working. I was an Rdio user at the time, because The Echo Nest powered Rdio's recommendation and radio things. Most of what I liked better about Rdio was a) stuff we powered and thus would be responsible for making just as good on Spotify, b) white-background graphic-design stuff that was obviously never going to happen in black-background-committed Spotify, and c) Rdio things that only worked because Rdio never had more than a small and selective audience, like public comment threads on albums.
The one exception was Rdio's play-history feature, which was simple but great. It synched across clients, it showed you everything you had listened to by day, and it grouped the individual tracks by the context in which you listened to them. I've missed it for 7 years. Now Spotify finally has it, and it's just as great as I remember it. I didn't work on it, and the fact that it took 7 years to get it suggests that even my persistent personal lobbying for it over that period was not particularly instrumental, but whatever. Yay!
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 1 April 2021 14:20 (three years ago) link
ha every now and then I remember Spotify tried to do light theme UI for a while
― nashwan, Thursday, 1 April 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link
I've updated my iOS app but I'm not seeing any three-month history - just a recently played thing that I think was there before that lets me scroll through about 30 things.
― Alba, Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
Oh, ignore me – I've relaunched and now I see it.
― Alba, Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:52 (three years ago) link
imma still scrobble tho
― Dan I., Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
Hmmm 🤔 https://open.spotify.com/track/5xPzqMr972jKwurq5CHZHz?si=kzkhEx1qTOqJb732PEN0Vg
― Jeff W, Friday, 2 April 2021 09:11 (three years ago) link
that’s what you get for nicking the name of a French football clubnot a bad amapiano track tho
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 2 April 2021 10:28 (three years ago) link
Kids convinced me to get Spotify, so ... fine. Done. I've never used the service, though, and have a dumb question. If I'm looking for a boxed set or compilation, say something from Rhino or Soul Jazz, and I can't find that collection but I can find a playlist recreation of the collection, does that mean the "official" collection is not available?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:06 (three years ago) link
Probably, yeah.
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that"s pretty common.
― sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link
― In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:55 (three years ago) link
There's still a bunch of Soul Jazz comps that are on Spotify in an official capacity. Or at least they are in Canada. Just search up "Label: Soul Jazz" in the search function.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 04:57 (three years ago) link
Ah! There they are.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
Or, you know, a handful at least.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
hey just an fyi for anyone who checks this for anecdotal evidence: this update is terrible and making me strongly consider switching to a new service.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
Desktop or mobile?
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
forks what are your biggest discrepancies with it?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:08 (three years ago) link
On Mac I briefly had the thing doglatin mentioned of the search bar disappearing without a trace. Some combination of hitting Cmd-L and restarting the app fixed it.
― Alba, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
I like the way on desktop the library/playlists window keeps going blank and I have to scroll it up and down to make the text reappear, and the way search still fucks up and looks for the PREVIOUS thing you searched for even when you enter a new search term.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 8 April 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link
since getting a new laptop with an SSD all of Spotify’s performance issues have gone away for me
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 April 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
haven’t seen the new update yet tho
Yeah, the first thing Tsar Bombadil mentions is here as well (Windows 10 desktop). Adding a playlist, for example, makes the playlist blank instead of updating. I'd almost forgot, since it's easily workaroundable; apparently I now automatically do a little up-down scrollwheel wiggle after making a change. Still a bug that should by rights be a clear fix-now thing on pain of going somewhere else.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:02 (three years ago) link
Unfortunately, it appears that there is no concept of "bugs" in Spotify, merely "ideas".
"Hey, this thing in your app is broken and doesn't work as you clearly intended it to, how can I enter a bug report?""So what you do is, file an idea to fix it, and we'll have a vote whether that is a better idea than, say a special EQ mode for funicular travel or a more colorful Skylander interaction page; our development resources are not infinite, you know."
Yes of course I exaggerate.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
Got the update, I see what everyone is complaining about. Search bar at the top has gone, you now have to click on 'search'. Songs can't be dragged into playlists inside folders. Albums and singles an extra click away from the artists page.
For my job I help develop a multi-featured system with a complex web based gui, I can understand the impetus for a redesign that makes things cleaner and neater. I simply cannot understand removing or obscuring simple, common, popular features.
― Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:16 (three years ago) link
they’re probably not as popular as you think
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:25 (three years ago) link
I guess, yes, they probably gather all sorts of metrics and are very confident that only 0.1% of people ever drag a song into a playlist in a folder.
― Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:30 (three years ago) link
We're working on bringing back a list-like Discography view, something many of you have mentioned missing in the new UI.
Hmm maybe this thing isn't so well researched. At least they're listening to some user feedback.
― Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:41 (three years ago) link
once an app reaches a certain scale, power user features get dropped like a hot potato if they require any maintenance whatsoever ime. it’s like, thanks early adopters, we’ll take it from here.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:41 (three years ago) link
Our users like to think they're all power users, and they're paying ten times as much so we don't have that privilege. Even though our development team is 1/30 of the size.
― Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Friday, 9 April 2021 08:57 (three years ago) link
I refuse to believe that searching for a song or artist is not a popular activity! But I still have the search bar despite updating – maybe the fact mine very briefly disappeared is just a coincidental bug.
― Alba, Friday, 9 April 2021 11:58 (three years ago) link
otm. Just sounds like trying to push people more into their own playlists and robot stuff.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link
I still have the search on Windows too fwiw. They seem to trial changes randomly or geographically or something. Usually I see complaints about "the new update" here and have no idea what is going on.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 12:31 (three years ago) link
If I were to find out my search bar disappeared as a test to see how quickly I would quit and relaunch the app I would not be happy.
― Alba, Friday, 9 April 2021 13:09 (three years ago) link
Random by user I mean. Like maybe I'll get stuck with it next week.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:11 (three years ago) link
Maybe this is exactly what you folks are talking about, but I searched for "Doppelgänger" by Curve, and ... it doesn't show up. I see the band, but it only lists two albums, neither of them that one. And yet, if I google "Curve Doppelgänger Spotify" I get a direct link to it on Spotify. So why does it not show up in the band's discography, let alone when I search for it in Spotify?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 April 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
maybe a rights thing, it shows up for me in the uk in their discography and as a search result.
― Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:58 (three years ago) link
But a rights thing that prevents it from even showing up in a search? I mean, it's in there, somewhere. It's in my library now because I added it ...
Oh, wait, shit, I see. I found it, added it, but it won't let me *play* it, because "content not available." So ... I guess a rights thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 April 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
Yep, you can have things in your library that you can't play. I changed my settings so I can see them in playlists too - they're just greyed out. Happens a lot as things drop out of Spotify, or I play playlists from people in other countries. I like to see what I'm missing.
― Alba, Friday, 9 April 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link
most of the Curve discography is not on Spotify, it is not a search issue
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 9 April 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
If you're curious about regional availability for an artist, you can see everything that's available anywhere, and where, here:
https://everynoise.com/artistprofile.cgi?id=6WYkr1SJofUO79alKPjop0
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 9 April 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
lol copyright lockdown on this service is hardcore! Sticking with Curve (for the sake of consistency), I figure out how to add/link my Curve stuff as local files to my Spotify account. It shows up, with art and everything, in my library, but (sneaky Spotify) it will only let me *play* it locally, too, on my phone, on my computer, etc., but not streamed to an external speaker. I guess I can connect via bluetooth and play it that way, but I could have done that without Spotify. I suppose to stream it, even from a local source, it would still have to travel through Spotify's servers, and therefore gets flagged as not approved for (in my case) the US. I assume this also means that if I wanted to I wouldn't be able to share my freshly minted Curve playlist, either, which begs the question: what's the point of Spotify even allowing you to create a playlist of local files if you can't stream it or share it? Hmm, maybe it wouldn't have a problem with me creating a playlist of, say, cat sounds I recorded, because it's not copyrighted, but does with anything copyrighted that's not already on Spotify? I guess that makes sense. I wonder if I renamed all the Curve tracks if it would still recognize and flag them, just from their digital MP3 footprint.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
You can't use Spotify Connect for casting local files to speakers, regardless of their copyright status. The tech just doesn't work that way – it's not like bluetooth where you're sending the music bits to the speaker. Spotify Connect is just like telling another device to get the stream that you've selected on your phone direct from Spotify.
― Alba, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
Ah, I suppose that makes sense.
Still curious about the way this stuff works, I flipped on the VPN on my phone and set it to London, just to see if Spotify's library would adjust accordingly. It didn't (still not much Curve). Looking into it a bit more, it looks like for it to work via the VPN I'd have to switch my account location to the UK as well, but good on Spotify (I guess) for being one step ahead of me, because I think the only way to do that is to switch my billing information to reflect my "location," too, which seems to be asking for (a different kind of) trouble, and too much of it as well. So nice job, Spotify, for thwarting my slightly more than modest efforts to make streaming Curve through Spotify possible!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
suggest you start your own Curve streaming service called Meandr
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
Did the new desktop app remove support for local files?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 10 April 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
Spotify no longer has is new versions; just a kaleidoscope of mysterious user experiences
― Alba, Saturday, 10 April 2021 14:27 (three years ago) link
"A B testing"
― koogs, Saturday, 10 April 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
What a title:
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/evan-greer-spotify-is-surveillance/
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 12:59 (three years ago) link
― Indexed, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
The patent in question was speculation that never got made, never mind used, but the EP is pretty good, so I guess that's something.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
The patent was granted three months ago, so I'm not sure what your point is. That said, every tech company with some kind of presence in vocal-interface land has a patent much like that, and vocal analytics are currently already used in plenty of other contexts, so yes suggesting Spotify are uniquely interested in this kind of data is not accurate
― rob, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
Anybody tempted by the Car Thing?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
The patent was granted three months ago, but the application was filed in 2018, and even that was an addition to an earlier patent filed in 2016...
2018: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=10891948.PN.&OS=PN/10891948&RS=PN/108919482016: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=9934785.PN.&OS=PN/9934785&RS=PN/9934785
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 15 April 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link
I know all that. So what?
― rob, Thursday, 15 April 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
“Never got made” means the same thing as “hasn’t been made yet”
― rob, Thursday, 15 April 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
Yeah, those are pretty recent filings. It’s one thing to point out the tech hasn’t been implemented (and may never be), but not sure why Glenn would point to the timing.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
Oh God, it's finally hit me. The version I'm now on on MacOS is the first I really feel like complaining about. I can live with the search bar going given that Cmd-L is quicker than clicking into the box anyway but:
• Share options are now just 'copy URL' and 'embed'. Sharing to Twitter was my workaround for when I needed to copy-paste the artist and title. Now there's literally no way to do that on the desktop app. And what about the Spotify URI? Aren't there still tools using the API that required you to paste that in? Maybe URI has been totally deprecated, I dunno.• Sorting in a playlist has been changed so that sort by artist you now have to go to the top and select it from a pulldown menu, instead of having a column header to just click on. That's a pain in the arse if you're wading through a long playlist, and makes the lack of a quick way to return to the top even more annoying than it was. Fuck dragging a scrollbar.
I would copy paste the version number but of course that's not allowed.
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Oh, ha - there actually is a special copy button for the version number, that you don't see elsewhere: 1.1.56.595.g2d2da0de-a
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
I guess we're only on v1 so what do I expect, eh?
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
I don't subscribe to Spotify but do have it installed (as it's the way most ppl seem to want to share playlists). I still have the search bar on Mac, even after updating to latest version - though it's 1.1.56.595.g2d2da0de (no "-a" at the end), maybe that makes the difference?
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
I'm on a Windows PC and the desktop app still has all the various options for sharing: FB, Twitter etc
― groovypanda, Friday, 16 April 2021 09:54 (three years ago) link
Ha ha - re: URI, they're really testing the power of those power users:
Hey! Thanks for your feedback about the desktop app's new look. To get the URI of a content, just right-click on it > select Share > hover your cursor on “Copy Song Link” > press “Ctrl” on your keyboard. The option to “Copy Spotify URI” should appear. Hope this helps /KB— SpotifyCares (@SpotifyCares) April 12, 2021
― Alba, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link
Someone on the SpotifyCares team didn't get the memo:
Hi Ottis, help's here! Can you DM us screenshot or video of the issue you're experiencing, as well as the playlist URI? To get it, open the Spotify desktop app > click the three dots next to the content > Share > Copy Spotify URI /RA https://t.co/ldFdZRiNAt— SpotifyCares (@SpotifyCares) April 15, 2021
― Alba, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
Considering they face multiple competitors offering a more or less identical service at the same price, I’m surprised Spotify isn’t more focused on member satisfaction.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 16 April 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link
Oh - there's one improvement for geeks in this desktop update: a track's total number of plays now shows on its album view without you having to hover over that little graph.
― Alba, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
It would be nice if it were accessible in playlist view too, but now I'm dreaming.
― Alba, Friday, 16 April 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Has the ability to view a large-sized album cover on desktop completely vanished? Full screen mode doesn't do it anymore.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 18 April 2021 07:56 (three years ago) link
Hmm, I'm on PC desktop and full screen mode shows the large album art for me.
― I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Sunday, 18 April 2021 08:38 (three years ago) link
Sometimes cover art vanishes until you slightly adjust the column width of the tracklist column, then it leaps back into existence.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 18 April 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link
it might be requesting differently sized art from the spotify image server.
(i wrote an image server once. it did not like the front end guys drag-resizing their windows and causing 20 requests a second for slightly larger/smaller images)
― koogs, Sunday, 18 April 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
What's the service that provides metadata and cover art for all these platforms? And can I beg them to use a better scan of Tracy Chapman's album cover? It looks like that copy that's been left out in the sun, and it's the same on every digital platform.
https://i.imgur.com/I8mT5JZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/l5fGazR.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
i'm pretty sure it's the publisher who provides that, not a third party service
― eisimpleir (crüt), Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
Gracenote is who I was thinking of, but it appears they just use whatever they're sent.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
that generally comes from the labels, yes
when i was doing this we'd get all sorts but my favourite was the 'image file' that was actually the html source for the amazon website popup box for the cover in question.
sometimes they'd be 15,000 pixels wide, some of them were 250 square...
― koogs, Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
Gone for me too. Now it shows a dimmed version of the bands publicity pic, album cover thumbnail in the lower left. Thumbs up for another pointless change no-one asked for.
― Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link
"we are making better use of cover art and album images in the app." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 13:59 (three years ago) link
Vote here if you believe that voting for user submitted ideas will make any difference: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Idea-Submissions/Desktop-Other-Option-to-maximize-album-cover-in-fullscreen/idi-p/5179217
― Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
extra ridiculous when the publicity/banner image references a different album from the one you are playing:
https://i.imgur.com/2NjnbOm.png
― Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:07 (three years ago) link
Update to the discussion above - Spotify says it has no plans to develop that "emotion-detecting" speech recognition tech (take that as you will).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
no doubt realized that Sony beat them to the punch with their revolutionary Emotion Engine decades ago
― sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
The cover art thing is quite annoying. I listen to a lot of classical music and oftentimes the covers have text which is too small to read without a fullscreen version. What would be even better would be the ability to view a large cover even while not playing the album.
In further griping: I'm pretty sure I used to be able to add an album or playlist to my library directly from search results - hover over a cover, a heart appears, I click it. Now one must click each album before getting to that heart.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 06:10 (three years ago) link
i don't love that the streams are always visible on the desktop app. i preferred the old way where you could look if you were curious but now it looks like a constantly updating scoreboard
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
I love Shuggie Otis's Strawberry Letter 23, honest I do, but does Spotify have to play it every time a playlist I'm listening to finishes?? Either that or Darondo's Didn't I?
― Alba, Thursday, 22 April 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
you can switch that off in your preferences ("Autoplay similar songs when your music ends")
― eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, 22 April 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
Spotify is also very fond of recommending Strawberry Letter 23 to me at every algorithmic opportunity.
― Dan I., Thursday, 22 April 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link
it always plays those two songs alba mentions on my wife's account
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 April 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link
And that same Darondo song as well! I know a lot of the people complaining about shuffle don't understand that "true random doesn't feel random", but it just can't be a coincidence that those two songs come up almost every time my nearly-10k-songs playlist is shuffled! There're a few other ones too--off the top of my head I see Khala My Friend by Amanaz a lot.
― Dan I., Thursday, 22 April 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
Yes, that too!
― Alba, Thursday, 22 April 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
much belated complaint outlined in greater detail, though I think everybody knows the deal here:
- My issue is with desktop for mac, mobile is mostly the same as it ever was- Compression of individual tracks into "Discography" makes artist exploration clunky and difficult- Removal of artists from playlists is massively unhelpful, makes sorting and exploring or clarifying artists within playlists a pain; the "custom order" option is not much use- removing search from top level adds additional clicks for my most used command- Moving tracks into and out of playlists and reordering playlists has gotten WAY buggier; placing a single song into the top of a playlist can take 20 to 30 seconds of flickering cursor - Spotify simply will not play a track unless it is in a downloaded playlist- on the plus side, the program isn't crashing nearly as often and the "everytime i use the search function, it inputs my text backward somehow" bug has gone away.
In general though I really hate the changes and am toying with exporting and jumping to apple music. It's a lot of terrible choices and unforced errors. I very much want to either go back to what it was (buggy or not) or leave.
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 April 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
removing search from top level adds additional clicks for my most used command
little known fact: the search bar autofocuses when you click 'search'.
― I took drugs recently and why doesn't the UK? (ledge), Monday, 26 April 2021 14:27 (three years ago) link
other than that, sorry daniel ek is too busy to listen to your complaints now: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/26/spotify-daniel-ek-joins-forces-with-arsenal-legends-in-bid-to-buy-club-henry-bergkamp-vieira-kroenkes
― I took drugs recently and why doesn't the UK? (ledge), Monday, 26 April 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link
Good luck Gooners, hope they move all the player contracts onto the Spotify model so they get paid £0.000001 per appearance.
― john p. coltrane in hot pursuit (Matt #2), Monday, 26 April 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
― Dan I., Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:15 PM bookmarkflaglink
I get Richard Marx's "Hazard", but it used to be in my playlist all the time.
― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 April 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
Removing search bar is ridiculous but given that you'll be typing next anyway, the keyboard shortcut Cmd-L means it's not any slower once you know how.
― Alba, Monday, 26 April 2021 15:16 (three years ago) link
And oh - I didn't get what ledge was saying but when I think it through, this means that if you are doing it with a mouse, it's effectively no different to what it was before, right? Except it's moved over to the left a bit.
― Alba, Monday, 26 April 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
it's just unintuitive and unnecessary, like all those changes. they're user hostile.
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 April 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
I don't work on the UI, but the expanded discography view will be back shortly, and you can still sort by artist using the pop-up. There's no general bug I know of where only downloaded tracks will play, so you might contact @spotifycares to get some individual help on that.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 April 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link
thanks. it's all bad decisions man! the company is pretty clearly trying to incentivize not straying from the walled garden and it's unpleasant.
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 April 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
raising the price of family plan to no doubt give more money to the artists and not sustain an inflated stock price that allows for acquiring ex-royal podcasts and an arsenal stake.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
Royalties are % of revenue, so 70% of any price-increase automatically goes to payments...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 April 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
yes, i said 'no doubt' glenn
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
It's not a question of doubt, that's my point.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 April 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
we are 70% certain
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
I...don't know what point you're making.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 April 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
100% of these increased revenues will make it into the quarterly report, no matter how they are divided up and trickled down. there is a relationship between revenue growth and spotify's own growth story that will probably be used to justify their stock price.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
perhaps the response is "revenue growth still benefits the artists, and we can't continue to grow revenue without enriching many assholes." but we can at least complain about it here along the way?
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
Yes, I think ILM's capacity for complaints will be unaffected.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 26 April 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
I like it when glenn's like @SpotifyCares gone rogue.
― Alba, Monday, 26 April 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
spotify should increase prices. but it should also turn the 70% knob up as they do so. because ILM will spend it's money on more records. Spotify will spend it on more Joe Rogan growth milestones.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link
*its money. spotify should also pay glenn for participation in this thread.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
the only pressure on that 70% knob seems to be the threat of users leaving over it. i agree forks should stop complaining about the UI fwiw.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 April 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
Lol, tell me more about not posting on a thread devoted to the thing I am posting about
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
I was only joking, forks. The ui complaints are relevant, and you tied them nicely into larger problems I hadn't really considered.
― devil sticks in trench coat (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 03:52 (three years ago) link
oh, cool cool I'M SO ANGRY
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 07:16 (three years ago) link
$100,000,000 worth of medical advice from Rogan and Jim Breuer. The experts thought this pandemic was going to be bad at the start, but it's all overblown and the doctors just won't admit that they got it wrong. Only 6% of the reported deaths are real. Nearly everyone who has died of it is obese anyway. Don't take a test, because then the government will know if you have it. Doctors should just give you zinc and steroids to make it go away if you tell them you have it, which you know for sure because you gave it to your wife (who has stage 4 cancer) and one of your daughters, and your other two chickenshit daughters moved out of the house wearing cowards' facemasks. You didn't tell anyone until three months later, though, because you didn't want any promoters to cancel your comedy club bookings. Also, people transition gender for sympathy bcz if "they were marginalized for being genuinely dumb people, if they transfer over and become another gender, then they get praised."
Joe Rogan continues: healthy people should not get vaccinated, and he got both of his kids infected with covid but they didn't die, so that just sucks for people who did die.
https://i.imgur.com/l78eLhq.jpgr
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
is there data that shows rogan has significantly boosted revenue and at least benefited non-shitheads? can spotify take a smaller cut of the revenue and pay less money to fewer shitheads and still run a sustainable business?
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
Is there not some Rogan is a fuckwit thread this shit can go into?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
There is:
JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:42 (three years ago) link
It's a Spotify-exclusive programme, owned by Rogan (aiui) but funded by Spotify. People talk about Netflix programmes on the Netflix thread, NYT business practices on NYT theads, and other Spotify uploads on this thread. If Spotify spend $100,000,000 on promoting covid denialism and advocating against vaccines, seems that a Spotify thread is not a ridiculous place to discuss that?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 04:42 (three years ago) link
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 04:59 (three years ago) link
extremely otm, finally making me get off my ass to cancel premium and just stick with Apple Music.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 05:02 (three years ago) link
100M move to triple the stock price while subscriber and ad revenues have not tripled. Solution is to give artists more revenue share as you pursue these stunts. Or dont give 100M to Joe Rogan.
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 05:10 (three years ago) link
Spotify (this morning) reported strong Q1 revenue growth, fueled by positive subscriber additions and strong ad sales, as well as lowered headwinds from foreign exchange rates.The Swedish tech giant noted that increased subscriber growth and user engagement can be attributed in part to the better-than-expected performance of "The Joe Rogan Experience," a podcast it acquired exclusively for over $100 million. By the numbers: Revenue increased 16% year-over-year to €2.147 billion for the quarter ending on March 31, exceeding analyst expectations. User growth: Spotify added 11 million monthly active users (DAUs), bringing its total active user based to 356 million globally. Subscriber growth: The company added 4 million subscribers to its premium plan, bringing its paid subscriber count to over 158 million globally.
The Swedish tech giant noted that increased subscriber growth and user engagement can be attributed in part to the better-than-expected performance of "The Joe Rogan Experience," a podcast it acquired exclusively for over $100 million.
By the numbers:
Revenue increased 16% year-over-year to €2.147 billion for the quarter ending on March 31, exceeding analyst expectations.
User growth: Spotify added 11 million monthly active users (DAUs), bringing its total active user based to 356 million globally.
Subscriber growth: The company added 4 million subscribers to its premium plan, bringing its paid subscriber count to over 158 million globally.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
SHITHEAD POWER
― Alba, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
this machine powers shitheads
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
Fair dos, I just hate having to see his horrible opinions here. As you were.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 29 April 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
A colleague on Slack (where this article was being discussed) says he’s been a Spotify Premium subscriber since 2009, but is now investigating other options due to Rogan.
― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Thursday, 29 April 2021 01:22 (three years ago) link
I'd be out of I didn't have a family plan full of friends and family...... who don't even live with me..... take that!!!!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:14 (three years ago) link
if
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:15 (three years ago) link
"What I will say is we have 8 million creators, and hundreds of millions of pieces of content," Ek said. "We have a content policy and we do remove pieces that violate it."
Spotify says it has 8 million creators, but the company continues to single out and champion Rogan, a major name in podcasting who it signed to a licensing deal last May. On its first-quarter earnings report released Wednesday, Spotify name-dropped Rogan twice. The report said Rogan's podcast was helping Spotify grow its ad-supported business and that the podcast had performed above the company's expectations for adding new users and engagement.On Spotify's earnings call Wednesday, Chief Financial Officer Paul Vogel cited Rogan for contributing to the platform's strong podcast consumption last December. That was the same month Rogan's podcast became exclusive to Spotify. He mentioned Rogan again when asked about podcast advertising.
On Spotify's earnings call Wednesday, Chief Financial Officer Paul Vogel cited Rogan for contributing to the platform's strong podcast consumption last December. That was the same month Rogan's podcast became exclusive to Spotify. He mentioned Rogan again when asked about podcast advertising.
"Spotify prohibits content on the platform which promotes dangerous false, deceptive, or misleading content about COVID-19 that may cause offline harm and/or pose a direct threat to public health."
message received!
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:09 (three years ago) link
i don't really care tbqh
― eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link
why would you
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:57 (three years ago) link
So many annoying things about the recent Spotify revamp, but maybe the worst is that hitting the expand/full screen button that used to show a large version of the album art now shows you a big random photo of the artist - while the album cover actually shrinks in the corner!
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 30 April 2021 14:33 (three years ago) link
the UI has always been rife with obnoxious counter-intuitive bullshit imo. a constant annoyance to me: downloading something automatically adds it to "your" stuff (heart icon), but *removing* the download does not un-heart it.
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 April 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link
when you download a track, your user profile and the track data are sent to a special server in the datacenter for a ceremony. "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder".
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 April 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
i just hate the asymmetry of it. like a text adventure where you enter a mine by walking "north" into the entrance, but have to go "up," not "south," to leave.
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 April 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
stanley kubrick designed the spotify ui this way to subtly make you uncomfortable
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 April 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
Little one for Glenn:
XTC's Real by Reel is incorrectly spelled Reel by Reel here:
https://open.spotify.com/album/4S6y2iTYbGONSlNJHYyrVl?si=BqvX4dtLTgakTJ1_yQ48Rg
― Alba, Sunday, 2 May 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
Oh, and the version of Sunday Girl on Parallel Lines is wrongly titled 'French Version' here:
https://open.spotify.com/track/5v6VaqC8b4P7NcKb45W77j?si=5679f5ba1bdb4c3e
― Alba, Sunday, 2 May 2021 03:51 (three years ago) link
Glenn can't help to fix such errors. There's a way of reporting them but I reported a bunch over a year ago and they've never been corrected.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 2 May 2021 05:32 (three years ago) link
Oh, never mind then. I did look around the fabulous options on the desktop app but couldn't find anything. I'll leave my campaign for truth there.
― Alba, Sunday, 2 May 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
Probably a wise move. Should you change your mind, instructions for reporting incorrect titles &c. are here>
https://support.spotify.com/uk/article/report-content/
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 2 May 2021 12:10 (three years ago) link
THey just updated the interface and dropped some features and apparently about 3 months of recent podcasts. So the most recent ones from several things i'm following are now fro february. Bah and indeed humbug.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 09:22 (three years ago) link
Not seeing the recently played option or the list of previous searches. How awfully annoying.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 09:27 (three years ago) link
I've noticed that on desktop you sometimes need to re-re-order by date to see the newer episodes of a podcast.
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 3 May 2021 10:07 (three years ago) link
It updated the podcasts when I looked back at them. So must have just been redoing the visuals then adding in the links incrementally. Spotify has taken an age to up date daily podcasts recently. So have listened to things i wanted to hear over breakfast hours later.Wonder if new interface will make that faster but seems like some features are currently missing.I did find having access to a list of most recent searches by clicking blank in the search engine was really handy. Not seeing that at teh moment, so wonder if it will reappear in some form.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 10:55 (three years ago) link
Looks like they have done away with the track popularity bar (on desktop) in favor of just presenting a track's play counts directly. (You used to have to hover over the popularity bar to see the play counts.)
I like this change because I keep a running playlist of new albums to listen to, and instead of dragging over an album's entire tracklist, I'll just drag over one track. And I generally like the use the most-popular track because that's usually the single and I can sample it on its own.
― jaymc, Monday, 3 May 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
lol yeah i was complaining about that upthread. i'm cool with the playcounts being thee but slightly hidden, displaying them so prominently makes me feel like it'll contribute even more to the ongoing sports-ification of music
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 May 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
ILX's very own Adamrl once told me that Audioscrobbler brings together his four passions in life: music, the Internet, voyeurism, and meaningless statistics.― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:14 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― jaymc, Monday, 3 May 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
Motherfucker, now I have the new desktop version and lo, local files have fucked off into oblivion.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
I've been using a desktop version from 2014 or so, I'm sure I'm missing out on a few features (can't play podcasts for one) but i like local files being functional and every update seemed to cause more aggravations. I think I was happier with the 2012 version tbh.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
There's a switch for Local Files in Preferences...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link
not a fan of the artist name stacked under the song title. its the most important field and its like 3rd in the visual hierarchy now. and you have to click title 3-4 times to sort by artist name now...
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
Dang - https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/05/02/spotify-hits-a-billion-android-installations-doubling-in-just-two-years/
― BeardsleyCollege.edu (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
Does the Spotify API extend to letting people build their own front end? I'm assuming not, or we'd have seen it by now, but that'd be great – letting independent developers make nerdy-as-hell players where you can add whatever columns you like based on the the metadata, for example.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
I'm surprised there isn't much. I like the Logitech Media Server plugin using librespot. I was looking the other day to see if someone had tried a proper desktop clienthttps://github.com/librespot-org/librespot"ncspot" looks interesting :)Desktop probably a lot to take on considering Spotify can moot your work at any time. There was more flexibility in prior API versions it sounds like. I wasn't using Spotify back then.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
Found local files in the end, also found you can’t search them.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 01:56 (three years ago) link
At least on the new Windows app, there's a magnifying glass on the far right side of each playlist including Local Files next to the Custom order drop-down.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 03:08 (three years ago) link
Fucking hell
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 09:40 (three years ago) link
Glad to hear I'm not the only one finding aspects of the new design frustrating. I think I was using partial bugs as help aids. BUt still finding glitching wiping out what good they did all too often.Like the fact that there were so many titles kept in recent search or if that even had an actual title. Like only found that stuff through a shortcut so not sure if it was officially recognised as part of the programme. I'm on Ubuntu so really don't know how intentional/ unintentional things like that are.BUt could do with a similar cache. Not seen if there is a grouping of things like followed podcasts or what it would be under.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 09:56 (three years ago) link
Just got the android update yesterday. Don't like the bubble menus at the top. Also, the new podcast main menu is weird. It doesn't matter how your sort it, they won't be in the order they were released. It just looks like a jumbled mess. But if you click on New Episodes, it takes you to what the old main menu looked like.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 11:39 (three years ago) link
I know this isn't spotify specific but
WHY IS EVERY NEW RELEASE'S TRACKLIST IN ALL CAPS NOW
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
To be honest I'm surprised it didn't come sooner. The tyranny of prissy all lower case was bound to elicit a violent reaction sooner or later.
― Alba, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
I’ve noticed (on other platforms) that artists frequently use all caps for their artist name; I assumed it was to stand out in playlists.
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link
Typeface version of the Loudness war
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
it's enough of a trend that even the latest steven wilson album does this, presumably ironically/satirically
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
Opened my mobile app to find that Spotify has "upgraded" by library but taking what was once a logically ordered grouping of playlists and presenting them in a chaotic jumble. Honestly, algorithms are not always the answer!!
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
I wish you could turn podcasts off. I will never want to listen to a podcast on spotify. I never want to be notified or told about them or see their stupid cover art.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 23:57 (three years ago) link
Hey, they're a podcast company now, even if you can't actually cast any of the programming to a pod. At least Rogan cracks out hours of material a week for the $100 million Spotify paid him on your behalf. Actual Prince cunting Harry and Meghan Markle got c. $50 million for theirs, farted out one 33-minute episode ("curated" from audio by a dozen other mostly multi-millionaires, despite being designed to “elevate underrepresented voices”), then sat back to lol @ the poors.
tho I suppose it took King-Emperor Ed 8 almost a decade after abdication to stop endorsing Hitler to win WWII and install him as president, give up on ruling the Bahamas, and just get on with attending Hollywood sex parties. They might drop some fire episodes in 2027, talking to polyamorous thought leaders.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 6 May 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
bro you need to chill out and…https://i.imgur.com/BrJymvB_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 6 May 2021 01:19 (three years ago) link
the thing with podcasts is I always feel like it would be easier and faster to read a transcript than to listen to a chat, and I could listen to some music while doing so.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 6 May 2021 09:04 (three years ago) link
Podcasts are all about getting the dishes done.
― Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 6 May 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
I have a problem with reading so I enjoy getting information in through my ears. I'm very happy with my podcast app though. No doubt it's possible to set Spotify to download them rather than stream but I can't see any reason to change my setup. It's just nice to get out of Spotify, too.
― Alba, Thursday, 6 May 2021 11:49 (three years ago) link
o I enjoy getting information in through my ears.
Actually, I wish I hadn't accepted the idea that they are just alternative 'information delivery' systems. They're their own thing, not someone reading out an article, just as an article isn't a transcript of a podcast.
― Alba, Thursday, 6 May 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't disagree with that either actually, reading a play isn't the same as seeing it performed either after all. I just think I prefer to read an interview than to hear/watch one.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 6 May 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
I kind of like the new iOS and macOS apps. They seem more similar to each other now. I like the way in the iOS app, the library is now one big thing with content type as filter presets instead of tabs. I wish the searches would only search the selected content like they do in the macOS version. I also wish advanced search tags were available for contextual searching. Like to be able to search only songs in my playlists or liked songs for release year "1982" would be cool. While testing whether "advanced" search is still there, I searched the global search for "year:1980" and it tried to push Foo Fighters on me for some reason.
These apps are still a pretty bad experience over all. What I wish most is that I could hide podcasts.
― beard papa, Friday, 7 May 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
That is also what I wish most. Podcasts are something from Moloch. Evil Sounds. Being reminded of their existence is the opposite of what I'm trying to do when I want to listen to music.
― Dan I., Friday, 7 May 2021 02:35 (three years ago) link
^^^ YES!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 7 May 2021 04:16 (three years ago) link
Also:You want to move a playlist further up than the top of the tiny little window of playlists you can see there on the left? Thinking it might scroll up to assist you? NO! FUCK YOU!Want to drag an album in one go to make a new playlist of it in one easy step the way you used to be able to? NO, GET FUCKED!Giving in and dragging all the individual tracks into a new playlist but at least hoping it will include the artist name and not require you to manually type that in afterwards? HA HA, FUCK YOU, BUDDY!Want it to show the playlist you've selected and not keep reverting inexplicably back to the Home screen? HO HO HO YOU PITIFUL FUCK, FUCK YOU!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 7 May 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link
Wish I could get paid to constantly make things worse and not suffer for it.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 7 May 2021 04:21 (three years ago) link
Ugh, if Spotify don't sort out their UI soon I'm gonna quit - I don't care how many playlists I lose. Editing the order of a large playlist and dragging a title to another place seems to just randomly move a different tracks to another place. Getting rid of the search bar at the top of the desktop app makes adding tunes extremely tedious.And as we've said, adding an album to a folder is a task in itself. Why did they think this was a good and helpful thing?
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 7 May 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
Agree on the whole, but as I ledge and I said before, the search box disappearing actually makes zero difference to how many clicks it is: before, you clicked in the bar to start typing. Now you click where it says Search and the box appears while immediately getting the focus. So it's functionally just the same, except that it has moved over to the left a bit. And as before, doing Cmd-L (or presumably Ctrl-L on a PC), is a quicker way if you're about to type anyway.
― Alba, Friday, 7 May 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
For all my dramatic moaning last night, I hadn’t noticed that—on mobile at least—there’s currently not any podcast stuff at all on my home page/tab. I wonder if they ID “podcast haters” or if it just organically pushed stuff I’d be more likely to listen to in there
― Dan I., Friday, 7 May 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
It made me realize that I've always clicked/tapped away from Home straight away anyway, to search or 'your library'. I'm kind of blind to what Spotify tried to push on me on the home screen (yes, it would be nice to be able to set my library as the default first screen).
― Alba, Friday, 7 May 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
i thought this thread was getting a bit out there....... i just now got hit with the searchbar-less desktop. Good god.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 7 May 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
it's so... large. At least Ctrl + and - still size it.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 7 May 2021 15:52 (three years ago) link
wow there is just no way to manage the 'library' of shit that gets added to your 'library' anytime you download something for a day. i figured it was just oversimplified on Android, but even on desktop, the only way to remove these things is to click into each individual title, uncheck the 'heart' icon, and click back out. not the least of the UI problems but jeeeeez. pretty sure selecting multiple things to do mass actions became standard in mouse-based environments circa, idk, 1992...
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 May 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link
i forgot to mention: when you click back to the library, you're sent to the *top of the page*. so good fucking luck cleaning out the bottom dozens or hundreds of items.
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 May 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
I'm very happy with my podcast app though. No doubt it's possible to set Spotify to download them rather than stream but I can't see any reason to change my setup. It's just nice to get out of Spotify, too.― Alba, Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:49 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Alba, Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:49 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
This is where I'm at. Sometimes I think it would be easier to just listen to everything through Spotify instead of having a separate app for podcasts, but it's not like having two different apps is a huge nuisance. If the podcast app I use stopped working and I was in the market for a new one, then I'd probably just migrate to Spotify. As it is, I'm not really motivated to do so.
― jaymc, Friday, 7 May 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
Oh yikes, I just got the update everyone was complaining about for weeks. I didn't realize they were basically turning the pc client into the www version of Spotify. I hate this. If I wanted to fumble with the www version, I'd fucking do that instead. Cool, great work, Spotify.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 May 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
When looking at a single album page and you click "back" to go back to the full discography, Spotify now takes you back to the top (i.e. newest) part of the discography instead of the part of the discography you were looking at, which is a huge pain for artists with a large discography.
― keto keto bonito v industry plant-based diet (PBKR), Saturday, 8 May 2021 12:46 (three years ago) link
I noticed the alignment with the web version. I wondered if they might seek to phase out the desktop version - or make it 'Premium only' as Evernote have done?
I've not had any significant issues as yet but not played with it much.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 8 May 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
Here’s one. If I’ve “liked” an album, where do I go to find it later?
― One Of The Bad Guys (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 May 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
If you're on Windows, go grab the previous version 1.1.39.612 here (https://spotify.en.uptodown.com/windows/download/2368262), uninstall the latest version, install 1.1.39.612, and then follow the directions here (https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Windows/Stopping-Auto-update/td-p/4785101).
I've opened and closed the client several times since then and even rebooted my pc once and still no new version auto-downloaded.
I can't imagine this older version will be supported forever, but I'm gonna wring as much joy out of it as I can.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 9 May 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
I am tempted, but last time I froze spotify various bits of functionality kept falling off each week and rendered it unusable in different ways.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 9 May 2021 07:08 (three years ago) link
Here’s one. If I’ve “liked” an album, where do I go to find it later?Your library, the albums tab.
― I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Sunday, 9 May 2021 07:20 (three years ago) link
Duh. Not sure why that was so hard. Thanks ledge.
― One Of The Bad Guys (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 May 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
When looking at a single album page and you click "back" to go back to the full discography, Spotify now takes you back to the top (i.e. newest) part of the discography instead of the part of the discography you were looking at, which is a huge pain for artists with a large discography.― keto keto bonito v industry plant-based diet (PBKR), sobota, 8 maja 2021 14:46 (yesterday)
― keto keto bonito v industry plant-based diet (PBKR), sobota, 8 maja 2021 14:46 (yesterday)
That's probably the most frustrating thing about the new UI to me (among, well, quite a few) - whenever I scroll through the saved albums in my library, if I randomly click on one, and then click back, it takes me to the top of the list.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Sunday, 9 May 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link
(Windows desktop:) I'll grant that the search bar removal is far less annoying than the last time I was hit with it: now at least typing ctrl+L or clicking "Search" doesn't scroll the playlist sidebar to the top. I still dgi, though.
Other bad thing: Clicking "Your Library" semi-freezes the whole app for some time. I guess I'll just leave it for a while in case it's a one-time caching issue (I guess my library is kinda large with multiple levels of folders and so on).
Other good thing (which should be entirely unnecessary to even mention, ie it's incredible the bug wasn't fixed before): when e.g. adding to a playlist in the sidebar, the sidebar no longer blanks out, necessitating a scroll-wheel-back-and-forth-nudge to redisplay.
― anatol_merklich, Monday, 10 May 2021 07:08 (three years ago) link
God, just listening to the Red Nation covering Star Wars and they've changed the slider at the bottom of the screen the thing that shows you where in the podcast you are into a lightsaber.God you would think if they're able to do totally hokey shite like that they could allow the interface to be workable for the user.
― Stevolende, Monday, 10 May 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
Slightly surprised that that podcast would buy into something like that anyway. Just seems really gimmicky.Is taht something that is happening anywhere else on Spotify. Like there was a handle showing from the start of that progress bar and the laser/light bit of the saber showed where the podcast had got to in its duration.Like might be slightly impressed by it if there wasn't a set of new problems with actually setting up playlists and manouevre things into how I want to play them.BUt they have time to do that? & it works ok on Ubuntu as well as windows and so on.
― Stevolende, Monday, 10 May 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
Apparently the light-saber-as-progress-bar thing goes back to 2015!
https://www.techradar.com/news/audio/here-s-how-to-get-a-lightsaber-progress-bar-in-spotify-1311566
― peace, man, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 10:14 (three years ago) link
I don’t care about the changes (nb I don’t make playlists just listen to albums).
― Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
I make playlists of the albums I like so I can find them easily. This is no longer the friction-free experience it used to be.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 00:56 (three years ago) link
This is a complete disaster
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 03:45 (three years ago) link
Also like the way the new UI regularly does this every day after a while:https://i.ibb.co/ZLgqztP/thingy.png
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 06:48 (three years ago) link
can i not add full albums to playlists from my phone anymore?
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:18 (three years ago) link
depends how determined you are and how much finger pressure you apply to your screen
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 13:20 (three years ago) link
I wish "Your Library" remembered tab position (Playlists/Podcasts/Artists/Albums). I'm normally opening Spotify to play a saved album, new UI added a click to get there.
― lukas, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
Clicking through to an album from a playlist is bringing an awful lot of the 'three dots of doom', often resulting in a 'couldn't find that album' message.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
dealing with podcast episodes on mobile has become completely counterintuitive. AFAICT there is no longer any way to just see a big list of recent episodes of the shows you're following? or if so it's a bunch of clicks deep; they seem to think i want to click into and out of each individual show and see what they've got. even if i have several episodes specifically downloaded, getting to a list of just THOSE doesn't seem to be possible - only within each show! bizarre. time to finally find a dedicated podcast listening app i guess.
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
FWIW, which I realized might not feel like much, the UI team (of which I am not part) is still actively working on fixing glitches with the new stuff and restoring bits of old behavior that weren't ever intended to be different...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link
Yeah I'm sure. I actually like the new feel overall, fwiw. I just wish there was a way to add shortcuts or otherwise make frequently accessed areas more, uh, accessible.
― lukas, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
I think DC mentioned this, but I don't like how downloading a pod adds it to 'Your Episodes' but removing the download does not remove the pod from 'Your Episodes'.
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 02:45 (three years ago) link
So I'm seeing Recently Played has returned to the site but not the left hand column. It's on the home page which isn't what I tend to have open, hopefully that is going to be a first step in the right direction with some more along those lines coming.MIne wasa bit out of date like it went back a few weeks instead of actual very recent usage. But it was a feature I relied on to some degree. It only holds a small number of titles though and I used to be able to access more of previous searches. Buut some good anyway.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 13 May 2021 07:56 (three years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I have one question for these geniuses: "why?"
― Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Thursday, 13 May 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
I have a second question: "how come?"
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 13 May 2021 12:19 (three years ago) link
If those are rhetorical questions and you just don't like it, carry on.
If you want some actual explanation, there's this: https://engineering.atspotify.com/2021/04/07/building-the-future-of-our-desktop-apps/
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link
Hit play on Discover Weekly for the first time in over a year. My guess is that they've been completely turning over the contents every week; would be cool if instead they just accumulated the highest-scoring tracks since my last listen.
― lukas, Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:49 (three years ago) link
So basically if you skipped a week, new tracks in DW would have to outscore old tracks to get a spot. I can see this being complicated - what if someone didn't play DW because they saw the playlist and didn't like it? In my case though, I hadn't even looked at DW.
― lukas, Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
But ... my DW kicks ass this week so maybe I should just shut it.
― lukas, Sunday, 16 May 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
You can use IFTTT to auto save every Discover Weekly to a playlist. Very useful if you don’t have time to listen to it every week and don’t want to lose it!
― Dan I., Monday, 17 May 2021 02:36 (three years ago) link
tfw you pay $100 million dollars to someone to broadcast antivax propaganda and COVID conspiracy theories on your platform, insist that his opinions align with company policy doing so, and then he runs a three-hour ad for the white supremacist subscription service that launched the Proud Boys, run by a guy who was fired from his multi-million $ radio job after livetweeting himself harassing & abusing a black woman in Times Square, calling black people "not human" and "illegal savages."
https://i.imgur.com/mHcy4hy.jpg
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 17 May 2021 08:06 (three years ago) link
apparently this episode also includes theorising that COVID was a Chinese bioweapon
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
Tidal pays 70% of their revenue in royalties, divided up by streams the same way Spotify and Apple pay. The "rate" is not a thing in itself, it's just the result of dividing total royalties paid by total streams. Tidal's main draw is the $20/mo HiFi plan, which nobody else offers, so presumably a significant share of their subscribers pay for that, but if 100m Spotify users all moved over to Tidal's regular $10 plan because Tidal's "rate" is higher, the rate would go down.So does Apple’s announcement today that they’re not charging extra for their “HiFi” content – and Amazon immediately following suit – represent downward pressure in terms of compensating artists?
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link
(Or am I still exhibiting the basic misunderstanding which Glenn was trying to correct with that post?)
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
Yes, I think that's accurate. Or, at least, it's a move that seems very likely to preclude any other service from using lossless audio as a higher-price tier.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
Props to Johnny Fever for that tip re the desktop app, I followed it and it still hasn't auto-updated after several restarts. The only weird thing is that the version I grabbed from the old versions site was 1.1.39.612, but the version I have according to the help menu is actually 1.1.38.558.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 17:35 (three years ago) link
why has it become so fucking painful to load my library after the recent changes
― Left, Saturday, 22 May 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link
here’s another one and hopefully it’s as easy to fix as my total blindness to the “Albums” button in the Library.i’m teaching myself how to play Moonlight Sonata right? right. it’s going fine. i’ve now gotten to a kind of funky part, and i want to hear it played. so i load up Spotify and search for Moonlight Sonata. well reader i am spoiled for choice. so many versions. so many playlists. the movements are impossible to distinguish - the names are so long that they truncate - but there are only three and if i choose the first one it’s the right one.my problem is this: the recordings are TERRIBLE. even the deutsch gramophone ones with daniel barenboim which i’d kind of expect to be a gold standard (naively?) are muffled, warbly and accompanied by several assloads of hiss. it’s wild! this is a.... really famous song? across all versions it probably gets tens of thousands of plays a day. is there a trick to knowing which classical tracks are actually recorded well? i thought classical fans were sticklers for this stuff.
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 22 May 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/6MXUH2wFFk11v1piIIOiM2?si=523fecdaf557477d
This has good sound. Mari Kodama on Pentatone.
Unfortunately there's not really an easy way to sort the good from the bad other than by reading reviews or sampling for yourself.
With older piano recordings, sometimes remastering engineers deliberately leave in a fair bit of tape noise in order to avoid flattening out the sound of the instrument itself.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 22 May 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link
thank you!
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 22 May 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
god making playlists is impossible now
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 04:53 (three years ago) link
plz upvote:https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ongoing-Issues/Desktop-Scroll-position-not-saved-when-navigating-through-pages/idc-p/5179146
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 04:57 (three years ago) link
wtf? Is this, please vote because: (a) until you do, we don't actually believe this is happening with our product; (b) until you do, we can't be bothered to take our developers away from the highly important task of counting Joe Rogan's alt-right blood money; or (c) we're harvesting clicks for our dark god.
Just fix the fucking thing.
― Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:49 (three years ago) link
I don't work for Spotify, but I do work in customer support for a tech company, and I can assure you that devs do not have infinite time and resources and cannot fix everything customers complain about in an instant. There are probably higher priority tasks the devs are working on right now. If people upvote an issue on their community support page then they're more likely to see it's an issue that users care about.
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link
talking about "counting Joe Rogan's alt-right blood money" and "harvesting clicks for our dark god" is just unnecessary paranoia & brushes aside the fact that their engineers are probably working around the clock just to keep the damn thing running as seamlessly as it does
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 12:56 (three years ago) link
crüt I am sympathetic to your position but
just to keep the damn thing running as seamlessly as it does
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
Mine is back to doing that thing where you press play on a podcast or whatever and it starts playing, but the playing area shows whatever song I was listening to previously and I have to force quit. They had solved this problem before but I guess it's back.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link
I don't work for Spotify, but I do work in customer support for a tech company, and I can assure you that devs do not have infinite time and resources and cannot fix everything customers complain about in an instant. There are probably higher priority tasks the devs are working on right now.
Perhaps their devs would have more time to fix things if they didn't break them to begin with.
― Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
The blogpost Glenn posted upthread give a good insight into how these things happen for people like me who have a tendency to imagine a load of devs sitting around blithely breaking things:
https://engineering.atspotify.com/2021/04/07/building-the-future-of-our-desktop-apps/
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
are we allowed to call this thing shit without offending its employees
― attempting to rebrand (Left), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
other evil corporations have to pay for their PR
― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
Dunno, seems possible to complain about product without assuming it’s the fault of employees being stupid.
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
i don't assume that it's just weird when people take criticism of this app/service/empire as some kind of personal insult
― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
Kinda weird that that (absolutely amazing) Basement Tapes Complete only registers a few thousand plays for most of the songs?
https://open.spotify.com/album/5a8SaZSkhxar6eYgd5u3o9?si=wNRMuRqvRgS5hZ2bJRZahg
A handful have over a million plays, though. I checked and none of them are on the standard Spotify 'This Is Bob Dylan' playlist - I guess that means they're on some other big playlist or other. (NB It would be amazing if you could right-click and see where that song appears...)
Anyway - huh? This is a serious motherlode that got long glowing reviews when it appeared - and most songs only have a few thousand plays? Feels like that's not correct.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
i don't assume that it's just weird when people take criticism of this app/service/empire as some kind of personal insult― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:18 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:18 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
FWIW I was speaking from my own experience working with devs in general, not defending Spotify as a company. It's never as easy as "Just fix the fucking thing."
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link
And as someone who works in tech support, I think it's really nice that Spotify have a community support page where users can directly cast a vote for issues/features/improvements, and that they note when said issues are under investigation. I'm not doing "PR" for them when I say that, it's just my opinion!
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
i am attacking spotify as a company
― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
this is like when people would get defensive over any criticism of apple, i don't understand it. must be a tech thing
― rebrand on hold (Left), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:09 (three years ago) link
The blog that Glenn linked makes it pretty plain they pushed out their re-design way too early.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
that's fine! I thought maybe you were referring to my posts, but I guess you weren't. sorry I misunderstood!
― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
Tracer, I'm pretty sure that last time I looked for them, the Bootleg Series albums weren't on Spotify so that might explain it, if they've just been added recently. And I'm less sure of this, but I think there was a sampler on there before, which might explain why a few tracks do have millions of plays.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 03:26 (three years ago) link
The blog that Glenn linked makes it pretty plain they pushed out their re-design way too early
I don't see that in the article at all, fwiw.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link
It was written before they pushed it out. Glenn was helping to illustrate the scale of what was up. We can draw our own conclusions.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 11:26 (three years ago) link
Just a comment - I use Spotify for Roku on my tv, which is hooked up to an amplifier and speakers.
As this is the best set-up for my needs, it would be cool if I could add to playlists from it, or even make playlists.
It's not a crisis or anything - just something that would be cool further down the road.
― Whitney Diennial 2021 (I M Losted), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:01 (three years ago) link
the roku app is frustratingly limited. I'm in the same situation where it's the one connected to my stereo, but I tend to bluetooth from my phone instead because it gives me more control. The thing I really wish they'd bring back on the roku app is menu options on tracks. Would be great to be able to go to an artist's page from their track. The old roku app had this.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
Can you use Spotify Connect to control the Roku's playback from your phone? I've always found that an easier way to work with Spotify on TVs than fiddling with the built-in interface.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
yes you can
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I use Spotify on Roku all the time, and just control it from my phone or laptop.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link
You can barely make playlists with Spotify itself right now, good luck doing it via another intermediary
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 23:43 (three years ago) link
i have a bunch of issues with spotify but no issues whatsoever with making playlists now or ever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
Seems to be making a playing queue ok now but still not allowing scrolling if I'm bringing something new up from bottom. So have to do it in short steps.
& has brought up a couple of options of accessing recent searches etc though have to go to home page.Do wish they would return search box to active page instead of menu.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 27 May 2021 01:03 (three years ago) link
my workaround for adding tracks to playlists rn is to play the track i want to add, scroll to the spot in the playlist where i want to add it, and drag the playing track in
― eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, 27 May 2021 01:18 (three years ago) link
I know the fix for that dragging-up problem, specifically, is in the next version...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 27 May 2021 14:07 (three years ago) link
OK, I'm not sure if I've just discovered or rediscovered this service (its name is so similar to Organize Your Music, which doesn't work in the same way, but http://sortyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com is brilliant.
Specific use case: sort a playlist by release date, then save it as a fresh playlist with one click. Yes, Spotify's release date for back catalogue are hit and miss and often feature the rerelease date instead, but it seems like that's less the case than it used to be and in any case it's a whole lot better than nothing when you've got a mega playlist like this one and just fancy listening to the early stuff.
― Alba, Thursday, 27 May 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
Here's a question for somebody like, say, glenn- Where did the Chuck D Clash podcast go to? Stay Free: The Story of the Clash, I believe it was called.
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 May 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
yes, it's a little weird that's gone missing
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 28 May 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
What's also good now is the way when I do try to look at my local files it just crashes the whole program. What a heap of shit.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 06:56 (three years ago) link
Try to delete a playlist, get this fuckery:https://i.ibb.co/5hvJfHG/Untitled.png
Try to look at a playlist, get this bullshit:https://i.ibb.co/6DJtnWb/Untitled2.png
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 08:33 (three years ago) link
To be fair to them that looks like a freak bug that probably affects 0.0001% of people based on some obscure combination of hardware and software and that they've never soon before. I'd try a fresh install as a first resort.
― I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 10:12 (three years ago) link
Do wish they would return search box to active page instead of menu.
Is this some sort of attempt to force additional "engagement" or whatever with Spotify (i.e bury the one function everyone uses every time they open Spotify one level down).
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 11:47 (three years ago) link
I’ve been getting a fun new bug where dragging a song to a playlist warns me it’s a duplicate, despite not having been added before—I have to click don’t add and add it again for it to work. If I click to add anyway, the song it adds is the previous one I added, not the one I just dragged to the playlist.
― blatherskite, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
1. Check my credit card statement and realise that I am paying for Spotify Premium, somehow2. Log in to Spotify, it says I need to update my location and kicks me out, try again, the same happens.3. Finally twig that I have to go to the desktop version, so recover my password (another story) and do that.4. Change my location on the desktop version and log in to Spotify again.5. But I don't have Premium on here? What?6. Try out every other email address I have (another 15 minutes here while it redirects me to a "something has gone wrong" US page (I am in the UK)7. It turns out that three different email addresses have Spotify accounts. None of them have Premium.8. Write an angry note on the Spotify support forum explaining what has gone wrong. Spend 5 minutes adding mandatory tags and going through three capcha processes, whereupon it asks me to log into my account, which then leads to another 404 page.9. Finally try logging in via Facebook, yes this works! I can tell I have Premium here, only because it isn't nagging me to sign up for it. But can I cancel it? No. Also it has yet another email address listed, one I lost access to about five years ago.10. Finally signing in on desktop via facebook works! And going through a load of menus I can finally find a "manage subscriptions" option.11. And just to end this story there are a whole FIVE PAGES of nag screens before I can finally cancel the subscription.
This right here is why I fucking hate Spotify. Well, one of the reasons.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
I rather doubt Spotify is any worse than any other subscription service when it comes to managing your unconnected accounts if you sign up for 4 of them using email accounts you no longer have access to and forget which is which.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
Something has gone wrong
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
the root of the problem is- automatically signing in with whichever Google account is active and not making it clear that you have done this- having a support forum which is unusable and let's you write a comment which you cannot then post- not letting users manage or view subscription settings in app, or let you know you have to be on the desktop version to do soyes, there are lots of apps that do the same to some extent, is this the worst one? not sure, maybe, however "other people are bad so we are also bad" is no kind of argument to make.for someone with my level of executive dysfunction this means that for reasons beyond my control I have lost £50 I cannot afford for a service I did not use. I can't sue anyone so let me vent on here please.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
oh and all the 404s, no other service does that quite so much.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
In 2020, when live music was dead, and musicians were suffering, and @Bandcamp started Bandcamp Fridays to help, Apple, Amazon and Spotify quietly dropped their payments per stream. Spotify has reduced their rate by 43% in 2 years. #spotify #bandcamp #justiceatspotify #payartists https://t.co/HcV773XkFM— Ashtray Navigations (@ashtraynav) June 2, 2021
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
Well, I think I finally understand their business model for transitioning from unprofitable to profitable.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
So Spotify pays out royalties based on how much money they collect in ad revenue and subscription fees. This must mean that they (and the other services, tbf) have been collecting less money per new user?
Seems like this model encourages userbase growth and maximizes overall revenue to the labels (and the artists). Your per-stream payout is lower but there are more streams.
― DJI, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link
Also seems like the labels should have set a minimum per-stream price. Maybe they did, and we just haven't hit it yet :/
― DJI, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
The labels are not in it for their artists
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:15 (three years ago) link
This must mean that they (and the other services, tbf) have been collecting less money per new user?
How is this even possible?
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:23 (three years ago) link
Right, both the addition of discount plans and expansion into countries with lower relative prices result in lower averages per user and per stream, but more streams and more total money.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
And, of course, none of these services set their payments by stream, so "quietly dropped their payments per stream" is a giveaway that the writer either doesn't know how this works, or is counting on the reader not knowing...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
Also, payments are done by product by region, not through averages, so although expanding into Bangladesh (e.g.) makes the overall effective average go down, it doesn't change the amounts or rates paid for US Premium streams.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link
Not sure if you know the answer to this, Glenn – but when a 30-second (or shorter) song clip is used in something like an Instagram Story, does any $$ change hands? Or is it just treated as promotional?
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Thursday, 3 June 2021 06:08 (three years ago) link
I doubt it, but I have no idea if there are specific business arrangements for Instagram...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:58 (three years ago) link
A comfort to know that expansion into Bangladesh doesn't change the reprehensibly low rates paid for US Premium streams
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 June 2021 11:20 (three years ago) link
You are free to call 70% of revenue "reprehensibly low" if that's how you feel, of course, but it's a larger share to royalties than LPs, CDs or iTunes downloads had...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 13:31 (three years ago) link
percentage of revenue is probably not the right stat to talk about... the issue (if i'm not mistaken) is how the artists can make a living wage/fair compensation, and how the cheap/free streaming model, by involving much less revenue to start with, already means a huge cut to that? and then within that frame, it's fair to say, "if spotify's raking in all this dough, then they do have the opportunity to get the artists closer to a living wage/fair compensation." like - the pie has gotten smaller. so it's not really meaningful to say "well, they're getting 70% of this much smaller pie, that's a higher percentage!" right?
― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 June 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
Except streaming is on course to maybe bring the music industry back to CD-era levels, so it's actually not a *much* smaller pie currently, and it might not be smaller at all soon.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 13:59 (three years ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:31 AM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
A question in good faith: do you know of a single artist whose career spans both the LP and CD era and the streaming era who is in better shape now than they were in 1992? Are you aware of any such artists who have publicly embraced streaming over the old model as a sustainable way for artists to continue producing work?
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
a larger share to royalties than LPs, CDs or iTunes downloads had...How many $30 CDs can I get each week for $10 a month?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:56 (three years ago) link
The best estimates I've seen for average music-spending per person at the height of the CD boom were $25-45/year. The CD retail chain kept about 55% of that, so that was $12-20 per person per year in effective royalties. A $10/month streaming subscription is about $84/year in royalties. A "free" ad-supported account is more like $15-20. So overall it's pretty comparable, and maybe the average is actually higher. So the industry premise is that we can get more money into the system by getting more people to spend $10/month even though the tiny fraction of people (like me) that used to spend $1000s/year are no longer doing that.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
I do appreciate all these stats, some more I would like: how many people are on premium vs free accounts (and is that proportion changing); and are there significantly more people trying to make a living (or any money) from recorded music, now the barrier to entry is much lower?
― I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
That RIAA chart is really interesting; I didn't realize CD sales had shrunk to that extent (also helpful that it has the "Revenue adjusted for inflation" checkbox – looks like there's still a ways to go before we come close the 1999 peak by that measure).
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
I too would love to know how many artists are trying to make a living from it. There are >10m artists on Spotify, but that includes a lot of people (like me) who aren't trying to make money, which makes any statistics about "% of artists" basically meaningless...
For that matter, how many artists were making a living from music in 1992? And how many of those were getting royalties, vs on unrecouped major-label contracts.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link
This is interesting, but feels like it's not apples and apples, stats wise. If the average per person (all people, or just music buyers?) was $12-20 before, I'd love to know what that average is now – presumably quite a few people don't stream music at all, but I don't know how that compares with the numbers who never bought CDs/records in the old era.
And the other part of this equation is just how many more artists and releases there are than there used to be. I'm sure the vast majority of revenue is generated off the back of a small number of artists, but of course it's all the little artists that people care about in all this. Or maybe not the tiny ones, who people recognize would never had made much money in any era, but the ones big enough to have some media attention and be able to tour to a following.
― Alba, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
Right, we don't have real numbers for how many people bought CDs.
From the last Spotify quarterly report (https://investors.spotify.com/financials/press-release-details/2021/Spotify-Technology-S.A.-Announces-Financial-Results-for-First-Quarter-2021/default.aspx), we can see that the overall global average revenue per person is about $48/year, which would be about $34 in royalties. The RIAA database is US-only, of course, and Spotify doesn't report results by country.
The overall conclusion I draw from the RIAA graph, though, is that the music industry got wrecked and is maybe as little as halfway back to its peak. So if anybody who was part of that peak feels like things are worse now, then yeah, all signs are that things are still worse. But they're improving again, and streaming is why.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
improving for who?
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
https://loudandclear.byspotify.com also has some official Spotify numbers showing that the artist pyramid is flattening a bit over time. As best I can tell from comparing findable sales figures for some top albums and artists from the CD era, the most popular artists on streaming account for a smaller portion of the overall market than the most popular artists did in 1999. Which makes sense, as CD sales were much more of a winner-takes-all market by the nature of having to buy in increments of whole CDs.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:32 (three years ago) link
Ha – just had a look at that site and thought the "OK I understand" was a super-patronising button to push when artists had understood that Spotify was great (it actually relates to the cookie preference message in small type)
https://i.imgur.com/UzhBAmQ.png
― Alba, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:40 (three years ago) link
It ought to have checkboxes by each paragraph, and then a "Concede selected assertions" button at the bottom...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
Ha ha
― Alba, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
this is now getting crazy. I add a new track or show to the bottom of the queue then need to drag it up and it doesn't move the thing i'm trying to . Sometimes moves someth8ng else downwards.I'm not getting this since intuitively If I click on something that's what I'm expecting to drag.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 6 June 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
actually just dumped like 18 tracks i had brought in from searching when it did that just now.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:17 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
you dodged this question, glenn
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
Actually, Glenn is under no obligation to respond to aggressive lines of questioning from ILX randos. If I were in his position I'd ignore questions like yours as well.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
I didn't think my question was the slightest bit aggressive and was asked in good faith but ok
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link
Always the mark of a good faith question when you need clarify that it’s actually in good faith...
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
Also, Glenn did address the question (5 posts later), and asked a question back.
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
this whole performance is frankly weird
― Left, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
Yeah Glenn's not exactly responsible for Spotify's pricing policy and has been usually beyond helpful when someone has a techy Spotify query or whatever
― groovypanda, Monday, 7 June 2021 08:28 (three years ago) link
which means he has no obligation to defend it either
― Left, Monday, 7 June 2021 11:59 (three years ago) link
He defends aspects of the operation that he sincerely believes in: I read him as believing the royalty division is extremely fair, and as being agnostic about (or disinterested in) whether the price-per-user is fair.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 7 June 2021 13:06 (three years ago) link
ok. this amount of love for one's employer is quite foreign to me, is all
― Left, Monday, 7 June 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link
*puts on sleeveless letterman's jacket and combs hair on motorcycle*
― butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 June 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
If you think "love of one's employer" is behind my opinions about music and streaming, I must have done an amazingly bad job of explaining them.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 7 June 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
Every time the navigation UI changes I pull some hair out of my head
― calstars, Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:34 (three years ago) link
Also, people transition gender for sympathy bcz if "they were marginalized for being genuinely dumb people, if they transfer over and become another gender, then they get praised."― armoured van, Holden (sic), Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:07 PM (two months ago)
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:07 PM (two months ago)
On May 24th, Rogan was headlining at a regular venue of his in Austin, before a drag show, and he used repeated f- and t- slurs in his set.
After the show, Rogan went to the green room, where Creek co-owner Rebecca Trent asked if the host wanted to take a picture with Rogan. According to Krebs, the host responded “Absolutely the fuck not,” and confronted Rogan over his set.
Rogan argued that if a white hundred-millionaire man uses those slurs onstage to an audience of steroid enthusiasts, it defuses them. The queen disagreed, and the venue informed her that Rogan sells so many tickets that they will not stop booking him, under any circumstances. (LA comic Tony Hinchcliffe was removed from some Rogan support slots by the venue last month after this incident, and did not perform there for a whole four days.)
She has moved her weekly show to another venue.
Rogan’s use of transphobic slurs at The Creek fits into a broader pattern of transphobic behavior. Last year he gave the author Abigail Shrier a (typically) uncritical platform to compare "transitioning among teenagers to historic adolescent phenomena such as eating disorders, self-harm, and… the occult," per Men's Health. “They have this agenda,” he said of LGBTQ+ activists, “and this agenda is very ideologically driven, that anyone who even thinks they might be trans should be trans, are trans, and the more trans people the better. The more kids that transition the better.”
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link
The search button on top used to be always visible, what's the reason behind hiding it. For a while I couldn't navigate. And for some reason, it reacts to ctrl+l instead of ctrl+f.
― Nabozo, Sunday, 13 June 2021 08:01 (three years ago) link
Every podcast I’ve never heard of gets paid 4 billon dollars to produce episodes exclusively on Duckass Media but every podcast I’ve ever heard of has hosts that will do an hour long episode on whatever topic I want if I send them fifty bucks and loose ketchup packets https://t.co/4QNVKgzZrI— Brendel (@Brendelbored) June 15, 2021
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 00:46 (three years ago) link
can't arrange tracks on the playlist again. does it just go haywire after you've listened for a few hours?It's started adding tracks at the top of the list not the bottom and rearranging everything every time I try to make the playlist I want to listen to in the order I want to.Brought up a track so that it plays next, then another track to play after it. So the 2nd track moves up to beyond the first one. & won't be reorgansied.
I had an option of picks as part of the layout yesterday and for a few days before that. Actually seemed to be giving some interesting choices but it's now vanished. Weird seemed to be moving to having music at teh bottom of the Home page and then back to podcasts. I don't know if there is a control to determine what choice . I have been listening to a podcast followed by an unfamiliar musical song. So would like that suggestions pick thing back.Then today its gone to having mixes or at least I've looked in what those mixes are and tried to pick individual tracks from them. To put on playlist. The mixes seem to be based on recent choices of tracks I've used. I guess that's standard and other people use them more .Did that screw up the way that tracks were adding to the queue?
Really annoying. Was hoping to put something together to remain listening to. have had to restart the computer after it froze and lost changes i made to the playlist from the time.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 June 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
2020:
https://i.imgur.com/CNP9EIs.jpg
tfw you pay $100 million dollars to someone to broadcast antivax propaganda and COVID conspiracy theories on your platform, insist that his opinions align with company policy doing so, and then he runs a three-hour ad for the white supremacist subscription service that launched the Proud Boys, run by a guy who was fired from his multi-million $ radio job after livetweeting himself harassing & abusing a black woman in Times Square, calling black people "not human" and "illegal savages."― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, May 17, 2021 6:06 PM (one month ago) apparently this episode also includes theorising that COVID was a Chinese bioweapon― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:32 AM (one month ago)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, May 17, 2021 6:06 PM (one month ago)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:32 AM (one month ago)
2021: https://i.imgur.com/5lhP2kN.jpg
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 20 June 2021 07:51 (three years ago) link
What i sthe story with the interface hviung a thumbnail up for a podcast and then not letting you immediately click through to teh latest episode. I keep having to go through like 2 layers, Top thumbnail look at date, find out its several months old or last year's. click op title on bottom of figurehead episode and finally get to new episode. Why not just keep new one as the figurehead you click on at the top when you select the series?& half the time you have to wait for new episodes to populate below that figurehead.Bah and indeed humbug.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 20 June 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
Navigaton and control seem to be issues that need to be looked at quite heavily.Would be like if what options as to what one could access from the home page were open to control by the user. Would be good if things were predictable at least.Or is there a way of making them show up when they're needed.
― Stevolende, Monday, 21 June 2021 16:17 (three years ago) link
this isn't spotify specific, but the "pop up" is the most annoying UI device currently used everywhere.
― butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 June 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link
I discovered that Cmd-L to get to search works even if you can't see a search bar
― lukas, Monday, 21 June 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
Yeah just wondering if there are any further keyboard shortcuts that I'm not aware of. have been using that Ctrl +l for the last couple of days.But main thing would be to be able to be aware of what he contents of the Home page were prior to scrolling down Or is that keeping them guessing part of the fun according to them.
Have had some interesting recommendations turn up on the album picks. Some things I haven't heard of that I remember which surprised me.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 08:02 (three years ago) link
The home page changes all the time. It isn't meant to be a predictable way to navigate through your own stuff.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 11:58 (three years ago) link
hit ? for a full list of keyboard shortcuts...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
Ooh - Cmd-F!
― Alba, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 13:41 (three years ago) link
When I say predictable its more what sections are going to be in not what the contents of those sections are going to be. Would be good to know that if i scroll down I would find album picks with a dynamic contents so I kept getting things recommended that were different each time.Also knowing that I had a set of podcasts that I could scroll through that related to one of the podcasts I listen to frequently. Though possibly a different one at different times. I would have thought that kind of thing would be there each time but it doesn't even seem to be that predictable.& I don't know how you call up something like Album Picks or whatever except for it chancing to be there at certain times. like
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:55 (three years ago) link
also wish it wouldn't dump an entire playlist that I was halfway through and tehn say taht they couldn't play this at this time when I'm transferring from one device to another.JUst got halfway through a podcast and went to go from phone to desktop and it just blanked out. Gosh how annoying.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
The amount of clicking around you have to do after the latest update is so damn dumb. Why separate areas for albums, singles, and compilations. So much easier to just be able to scroll and see everything at once.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
Agree with PBKR and agree with the homepage looking random.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
Guessing the new Stars of the Lid single is another fake out
― groovypanda, Friday, 25 June 2021 21:22 (three years ago) link
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, June 20, 2021 5:51 PM (six days ago)
continued:
https://i.imgur.com/a4bRljp.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/RJUFtsC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kYtYWeM.jpg
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 25 June 2021 22:00 (three years ago) link
The problem was music piracy. The solution was to distribute music without paying the artists.
Jim Anderson (the architect of the Spotify platform) says the mission of Spotify was to distribute music...NOT get artists paid.you can read an excerpt of the interview below courtesy of @digitalmusicnws. pic.twitter.com/kzHadm3EBN— MF STO. 😷 (@BigSto) June 30, 2021
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 3 July 2021 04:40 (three years ago) link
I was just reading this (not good, IMO) New Yorker article that was linked from a Pitchfork review. It includes these quotes from Kevin Weatherly, Spotify’s head of North American programming, which I thought were “funny”:
Weatherly is hesitant to suggest that he or anyone else at Spotify makes definitive decisions about how music should be organized or presented, pointing out that the service’s A.I. is merely reactive. “We’re not arbiters of taste,” he said. “We’re not A. & R. We’re here to try to connect our audience with different types of music, regardless of genre.” (…) “Prior to Spotify, you were spoon-fed what music you listened to by traditional gatekeepers. All of that has been shattered.”
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Saturday, 3 July 2021 05:22 (three years ago) link
(I know Weatherly’s name b/c he was a longtime radio guy, btw)
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Saturday, 3 July 2021 05:24 (three years ago) link
Prior to Spotify, you were spoon-fed what music you listened to by traditional gatekeepers.
― Siegbran, Saturday, 3 July 2021 08:17 (three years ago) link
I guess, to be fair, it’s more like being fed thru a garden hose with one of those rotating nozzles.
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Saturday, 3 July 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
― brimstead, Saturday, 3 July 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link
Jim Anderson left Spotify in 2014, so presenting his current (2019, actually) comments as coming from a "Spotify Exec" is a little disingenuous.
So too, admittedly, is pretending like the traditional gatekeeping power structures have been "shattered".
But, on the third hand, if you allow yourself to be "spoon-fed" music by anything, be it corporate or algorithmic, you're responsible for what you swallow.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
someone "who is credited with architecting the Spotify platform" speaking on the intent of the platform seems reasonable. they'd been operating internationally with free and paid tiers for five years by 2014.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 3 July 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link
Nah. In streaming terms, 2014 is quaint olden days. Apple Music didn't even launch until 2015, so in 2014 Spotify was still competing with piracy and paid downloads. Things have changed a lot since then.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 3 July 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
competing with paid downloads is a big part of the point
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 3 July 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
paid downloads were bad
― butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 3 July 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link
I use foo spotify. Thereby I control what music I listen to without succumbing to automated tyranny, unless I want to. Stream youtube from foobar as well. Best of both worlds.
― RobbiePires, Sunday, 4 July 2021 00:53 (three years ago) link
I like to turn on the automated tyranny, sometimes at dinner parties, so I cannot be accused of tyranny
― butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:18 (three years ago) link
And Spotify is good since I am deliberately searching out artists I read about here and other fora. I don’t l,like just hot play on “Rap Caviar” or “Chill out feels”.
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:20 (three years ago) link
Hit play
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
sounds like u need more… Spoon-feeding https://img.apmcdn.org/b2a983d2e065d61850c8159cfd7af557c4dfdad5/square/5f4303-20121221-spoon-transference.jpg
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:29 (three years ago) link
fwiw - I currently subscribe to two (2) streaming services* (not Spotify), and a few of the curated playlists are pretty key for me.*I also buy CDs
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:42 (three years ago) link
Yeah I still buy cds too. Probably spend too much time on Spotify mainly as a podcast server. But I've been interspersing with single tracks of various music for the last few months.
I am intending to buy more music based on what I've listened to though.
Find the idea that they are anti music piracy but not pro paying the artist a ridiculous position. Would have hoped the principle behind the first part might inherently include the 2nd.
I do like having the packaging including a physical printed set of liner notes.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 4 July 2021 07:04 (three years ago) link
If only we had some explanation of Spotify's original business model to read, instead of some belligerent comments from a long ex-Spotify employee many years later.
Oh, wait, we do. From 2011. From that same guy.
https://startupbeat.com/spotify-101-the-freemium-music-model-why-it-works-and-the-vision-that-drives-the-social-music-startup/1947/
It's true, though, that for the first few years of its existence Spotify was not really focused on artists as a constituency, nor vice versa. It began very much as a desktop music-searching/library application, entirely focused on the listener, and on already-music-knowledgeable listeners at that. There was no editorial team or Spotify-curated playlists before the acquisition of Tunigo in 2013, and no personalized playlists before the acquisition of the Echo Nest in 2014 (which is how I joined). The reorganization that created a company division to focus on the artist experience was in 2014 or 2015, I forget exactly, and even then most artists weren't directly involved with their Spotify presence.
As streaming started getting enough commercial traction for the music business to start growing again, in 2016 and 2017, lots of other dynamics began changing, too, none of them specific or limited to Spotify. Desktop -> mobile; music geeks using streaming as a cloud library -> more casual listeners using streaming to replace radio; playlists as a cool sharing feature -> editorial/algotorial/algorithmic/personal playlists as the primary listening mode; subscription streaming as "an experiment" (as Taylor Swift put it) -> subscription streaming as most of the recorded-music economy; label-focused reporting -> artist controlled tools. Closer to global availability. Oh, and podcasts...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 4 July 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
So the problem wasn't the piracy, or the fact that artists were losing their income from it--it was that the piracy wasn't slick and centralized enough, and random tech dudes weren't making fuck tons of money off of it?
Every day there's a new reason to hate Spotify, and more apologists inventing creative new mental gymnastics to justify it.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 4 July 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
Uh, if that's your conclusion then I'm guessing you were always going to reach it. But you're missing a key stage in this story if you forget that it went: piracy (industry crashes) -> paid downloads (industry stays crashed) -> streaming (industry starts to recover).
(And none of these are new reasons or new "apologists". And it's not gymnastics to be walking in a direction you don't happen to like.)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 4 July 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
Here's an interesting piece about the CDs -> Napster -> Apple power-shift (with a little bit about streaming and Spotify) from mostly the perspective of the old industry:
https://themusicnetwork.com/forget-napster-it-was-itunes-that-held-the-record-industry-to-ransom/
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 4 July 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
The labels may have gotten streamrolled by Apple to a certain extent; but visiting Sony.com to buy a Mariah Carey album was never a solution, and “why didn’t they just team up?” is way easier said than done…
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
Who agreed on the shockingly low sound quality, and why didn’t the labels rally for more hi-fidelity options, like FLAC and other lossless formats, especially when internet space and storage space were no longer legitimate issues?
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
I wonder if it's a technical or policy reason behind showing number of track plays only on album view and not on playlists or radio. I'd love to be able to see it in those other contexts.
― Alba, Friday, 9 July 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
Whenever you're not sure whether something is due to technical constraints or policy decisions, the answer is almost always "two different teams built those two things independently 8 years ago, and now that's just how they've always been...".
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 9 July 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
Ha - thanks glenn. So neither really, just: no one's felt pressure/inclination to make a change
― Alba, Friday, 9 July 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
That quote above... it's odd to think that the labels wouldn't have been all for the low quality* and the DRM and all that stuff. They knew they'd be able to sell better downloads (or streaming memberships or whatever... or I suppose vinyl) later on. It was in the best interests of Apple and the labels.
* I had to Google and refresh myself on this... originally the sold files were 128kbps with DRM, 99 cents each. They started doing 256kbps DRM-free in 2007. 256 or 320 is good for me but 128 is brutal.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 July 2021 19:17 (three years ago) link
*in 2007 for $1.29 per song.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 July 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
Upgrades for previous purchases were available as part of a $25/year program? Yarg...https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2015/01/18/itunes-drm/21964513/
anyway yeah, poor labels
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 July 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
I paid $25 for one year of iTunes Match just so I could convert all my crappy old Napster and Audiogalaxy mp3s to 256k
― Alba, Friday, 9 July 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
2021: https://i.imgur.com/5lhP2kN.jpg― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, June 20, 2021 5:51 PM (six days ago)continued:https://i.imgur.com/a4bRljp.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/RJUFtsC.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/kYtYWeM.jpg― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, June 26, 2021 8:00 AM (two weeks ago)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, June 26, 2021 8:00 AM (two weeks ago)
having trouble reading between the lines here but I'll crack it
https://i.imgur.com/5La4c1I.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EazQ5x3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0AFrZNC.jpg
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 07:30 (three years ago) link
Is this person from spotify?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
recently deleted my spotify in an effort to cut down on my overall reliance on streaming - annoying and labor-intensive but overall it's a nice feeling tbh
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
(the labor-intensive part is organizing + ripping + transferring files, of course)
i gotta be honest sic i'm not really sure what the majority of your posts in this thread are even about. i'm guessing it's something along the lines of, there are some right-wing idiots who have podcasts streamable on Spotify, therefore Spotify is evil?
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I could do with a recap on who this CompoundBoss person is and what the connection is to Spotify
― Alba, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link
crut some spotify podcasts are exclusive to the platform and are paid millions directly by spotify. iirc this person whose disgusting tweets sic keeps inflicting on us was a guest on one of these podcasts (joe rogan).
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
Given that Rogan himself says stupid shit periodically, maybe picture-quoting non-Spotify-related tweets by a guy he once had as a guest is...not the most productive use of this forum?
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
I found a UI change that I like: the cluster of recently played stuff at the top of the Home Screen
― calstars, Friday, 16 July 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
Seriously though the 'I don't like this artist' thing in playlists like Release Radar just doesn't work at all right?
― nashwan, Friday, 16 July 2021 10:50 (three years ago) link
I think my top feature request would be to filter my library with the normal search filters you can use on the greater collection: genre, year, etc. I've completely lost control of my library - there's so much in it that I keep forgetting to listen to, and have to put albums into playlists to keep visibility on it.
― beard papa, Friday, 16 July 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
turn the label information at the bottom of an album/single page into a live link that pulls up a label's catalog
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 16 July 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I really want to do that with (and for) labels, but the data is a mess. "Label" is submitted as an unstructured text field, so there end up being countless spurious variations and compound credits.
You can experience the erratic data yourself here: https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=label
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 16 July 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
btw, I use your new releases by genre page every week to find tracks for DJing
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 16 July 2021 23:50 (three years ago) link
Anyone getting a short loud static clip sound between tracks? been doing it all day and it's very unpleasant
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
How weirdly analog. I haven't seen any other reports of that. What platform are you on, and how are you listening?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 19 July 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
this is happening for me at the moment with gescom's minidisc on various platforms (chromebook web player, mac app) but nothing else so i assumed it was a problem with that release. not a major issue as there is really no reason to listen to gescom's minidisc.
― At Easter I had a fall. I don't know whether to laugh or cry (ledge), Monday, 19 July 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
For some reason I keep winding up with an invisible display. it just says Queue then has nothing else visible. I corrected that last week by reinstalling Spotify but it's gone back to that like a week later.Anybody else come across this?I thought it had actually turned off the rest of a queue of podcasts and tunes I had set up but it is still playing now.
I had just swapped over from my mbile phone so do wonder if that has anything to do with things. Can see queue on phone still.
― Stevolende, Friday, 30 July 2021 18:25 (three years ago) link
Oh yeah, does give full display for Recently Played but blank for Queue.
― Stevolende, Friday, 30 July 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
restarting worked this morning. It didn't last week hence the reinstallation. But it is a pain that it does that cos it means you can't see what's coming up or anything. Or see how to reshuffle the queue by hand.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 31 July 2021 09:57 (three years ago) link
Is this old news?
Spotify now displays this "About recommendations" section in the menu for all its official and algorithmic playlistsThe standout line: "In some cases, commercial considerations may influence our recommendations"Strange but really illuminating disclaimer pic.twitter.com/ftZCgwiGtT— Cherie (@cheriehu42) August 2, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
well that certainly seems like what happens and this feels a bit like transparency but i don't trust that feeling and i want to know more about what kinds of actual or anticipated challenges this is responding to
― Left, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link
we're keeping track of you because your taste is truly unique and by the way, it really suits you, and we know these other things that will suit you as well because we're so in tune with your unique snowflake vibe that we're basically giving you a shortcut and wouldn't you rather hear it framed like this than in some other more sinister way?
― Left, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 13:10 (three years ago) link
https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/the-record-labels-are-weaning-themselves-off-their-spotify-dependency
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Friday, 6 August 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
Glenn, what do you know about this new "Tracy Chapman" single? It's just a cheaply recorded piano piece, which sounds like improv, and cuts off after about a minute. I suspect someone has gamed the system, but who knows. May want to look into it, though.
https://open.spotify.com/track/2wP4TiA63jULmnT44hZyni?si=R3NQTDgJSJKM2cYfob3dNw
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 7 August 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link
stuff still gets uploaded to the pages of established acts all the time somehow, sometimes it's just an unrelated act that shares the same name as a much more famous one & sometimes it's deliberate gaming of the system
― ufo, Saturday, 7 August 2021 05:36 (three years ago) link
The core problem is that "uploaded to the pages" isn't even vaguely how it works. Everything on Spotify is delivered via bulk feeds from licensors and/or aggregators, often with incorrect or missing metadata even before we get into the possibility of malice. It's kind of a wonder the system functions at all.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 7 August 2021 12:11 (three years ago) link
so, big surprise, Spotify has been doing some shady shit. spoilers: things are going in an *even more* artist-unfriendly direction.— Fourth Strike Records (@StrikeFourth) August 6, 2021
we have been given access to the new Campaigns beta feature. essentially, artists will be required to pay to show their *own followers* that they've released new music.if you tap on one of these screens, Spotify takes 50 cents straight out of the artist's pocket. pic.twitter.com/E4VKl9CFwk— Fourth Strike Records (@StrikeFourth) August 6, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 8 August 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
They’re also testing a .99/month, ad-supported plan, which I suspect (if rolled out broadly) would likely cannibalize their 9.99 plan and drive down artists’ rates even further?
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 8 August 2021 03:24 (three years ago) link
There's a problem with tryng to move things around in a playlist of podcasts if tehy change the thumbnail that goes with the representation of teh show in the interface once it's added to the playlist. ON the podcast's own page there is a photo of the guest, once it's added to teh playlist it becomes the generic photo of the host. & the way they have the title printed for at least the show I just added you don't get to see the episode number because there appear to only be a certain number of letters allowed in a playlist title before cut off.So bah and indeed humbug. Stupidly making things more difficult than they need to be. Surely easier to put series and number down numerically at the beginning of a title.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 8 August 2021 09:09 (three years ago) link
Those pop-up notifications are in addition to the normal What's New feed and Release Radar, so it's not charging artists for access to their own fans, it's charging them for a very limited extra resource (I think we show only one pop-up per user per day). $.50/click is more than I would pay, personally, but I have no idea what the range of rates is, and the blacked out listener-count in that Twitter thread might be a factor...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 8 August 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
I thought that once New Episodes had returned for podcasts it might be a permanent feature like I think it used to be. It was around constantly for a couple of weeks I thought and I found it useful.So I'm disappointed and a bit frustrated that it's vanished again.Could do with it being a user defined option to keep it. Otherwise have to permanently try to keep abreast of what shows may have a new episode which doesn't appear remotely easy with the current interface. Ho hum.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 00:45 (three years ago) link
does anybody use Daily Drive?
i looked at it again and i just find it basic af
they steal other people's news programming i.e. NPR Up First and Ny Times' The Daily, and stick some songs inbetween
as an experience it's not bad - public radio style news and current affairs with skippable songs as filler. but all NYT and NPR have to do is withdraw consent for those podcasts to be used and suddenly Daily Drive is a pretty bereft little playlist
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
Presumably NYT and NPR want the audience?
― Alba, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
Are their ads stripped out?
no but they may prefer their audiences to listen via their own ecosystems one day. in NPR’s case via NPR One, or in NYT’s case via the NYT app. they’d get better data, attribution, etc.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
Right. There's lots of products built on foundations as shaky, though. Apple News has similar limitations for participating publishers, but it's worth it for reach.
― Alba, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
OR IS IT
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
Well OK not for everyone but I don’t see signs of a sea change happening in outlook.
― Alba, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
I just think there's a limit on how willing publishers are going to continue to be to give away their content to competitors - content that directly builds value for competing products rather than their own. You can say it's 'reach' and I'm sure the advertising money is pretty good for those very big podcasts. But the audience relationship is with Spotify. The subscription is with Spotify. Look at it this way. If I start my own radio station I can't just start airing The Daily. I would have to pay the NY Times some kind of syndication fee. (If they agreed to let me air it at all.) If I were the NY Times I would be asking Spotify for money every month in exchange for allowing it to feature The Daily.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
In any case Daily Drive feels to me like it's not quite radio but also not quite music streaming despite being quite clearly both. I'd rather just flip on NPR, or listen to my own playlists. But others might feel differently? Anybody use it regularly?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
I don't know a lot about podcast distribution compared with written content, it's true, and it's so different to distribution of written content. Like, very few people who listen to The Daily are listening to it on the NYT site itself, are they? It's through distribution deals with people like Acast, I thought. If someone subscribes to a podcast, isn't their real relationship with that podcast itself, which applies regardless of where they hear it? I've always thought that podcasts are one of those areas where publishers actually don't have tight tracking on the user because there's no cookies or sign-in etc. Like, they don't even know if I've listened to what I've downloaded. And hosting it on Spotify, if the ads can stay in place, seems like a good deal – presumably helps with bandwidth costs too?
― Alba, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
If someone subscribes to a podcast, isn't their real relationship with that podcast itself, which applies regardless of where they hear it?
People who listen to a lot of podcasts are going to stick with a single platform to manage their subscriptions, since it will keep track of which episodes you've listened to, etc. So far Spotify hasn't given me any reason to switch over from Pocket Casts, even though they've had a few exclusives I've checked out.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Same thing happening here. Someone has been adding bogus ambient/new age albums to my @SpotifyUSA and @SoundCloud pages. New album just showed up this morning, 24 tracks of complete and utter shite. https://t.co/SwBoiEo0Sm— Steve Moore (@stevemoore2600) August 19, 2021
― groovypanda, Thursday, 19 August 2021 10:48 (three years ago) link
The Disintegration Dupes
― nashwan, Thursday, 19 August 2021 10:51 (three years ago) link
One for the legal types. If someone was to upload a piece as above using someone else’s identity is there anything to stop the genuine person from exploiting it as their own work. i.e. they forfeit that right by in effect gifting it to them.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 19 August 2021 11:08 (three years ago) link
The EU generally recognizes moral rights of artists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights
US generally lags behind the EU in recognizing moral rights, but has VARA (Visual Artist Rights Act).
All of the above generally applies to visual arts, but it would be interesting to see if it could be applied to music as well.
― Captain Beefart (PBKR), Thursday, 19 August 2021 11:25 (three years ago) link
It's bad enough when someone does the artist name scam, but sometimes they actually use the song titles of the artist in question too. Lots of Aaliyah isn't on Spotify, and a fake Aaliyah uploaded a song called More Than a Woman. It was up for quite a long time.
― Alba, Thursday, 19 August 2021 12:15 (three years ago) link
If someone was to upload a piece as above using someone else’s identity is there anything to stop the genuine person from exploiting it as their own work. i.e. they forfeit that right by in effect gifting it to them.Not legally, if I’m understanding the question (which is separate from what Spotify’s policies may allow). The most the “real” person could do legally is have the piece removed.
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 19 August 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
Actually, I’ll amend that by saying if you have a band/artist name registered as a trademark, you could theoretically sue an infringer for damages. That would be a long way to go though if it’s just a track or two on Spotify.
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 19 August 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
Looks like the "Basinski" song is still up, but it's been quarantined from his discographyhttps://open.spotify.com/artist/6M8YgOVLSKJmf9n0ZXSW1F
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 August 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
Weirdly the DATE ADDED for all my Release Radar stuff this morning was "in 27 minutes"
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 20 August 2021 02:31 (three years ago) link
argh, tried to transfer unlistened-to songs to a new playlist on the desktop app and the dumb thing erased something like 75% of them after i moved them. current interface is buggy garbage.
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
I've got some local files i would like to play on spotify but they're not showing up as local files. Every other album in the folder i selected shows up but one. Is it possible for artists to block albums from showing up in local files?
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Thursday, 2 September 2021 08:23 (three years ago) link
solved :/
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Thursday, 2 September 2021 09:32 (three years ago) link
can't play the local files now...damn you spotify
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Thursday, 2 September 2021 10:50 (three years ago) link
J0e R0gan, this thread’s unofficial mascot, has Covid and is taking unapproved horse dewormer.
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 2 September 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
weird thing I've been experiencing: I got some new Bluetooth headphones (https://en-us.sennheiser.com/pxc-550-ii), overall really like them, sound about as good as BTs can I think.
So the weird thing is that I subscribe to Spotify and also Qobuz this French hi-rez streaming service
When I use these BT headphones (and also tested on a cheapie Amazon pair of BT earbuds too, same thing happened), Spotify sounds so weird/bad...and this is NOT a bitrate thing, like it just sounds like there's a blanket over the music. When I listen to the same track on Qobuz, it's like the veil is lifted -- this is a really striking and noticeable change not sitting there trying to discern the subtleties of bitrates
and it's definitely Bluetooth related, when I use my home set up - Chromecast Audio > Schitt Modi 3 > stereo - that weird muffled degradation isn't there. Sure, I think Qobuz is better overall, but the Spotify HQ stream sounds fine, it sounds like the same piece of music and i'm sure most people wouldn't really notice a difference.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 September 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
I don't know why that would be, but Spotify support might be able to help you. I have no issues with Spotify sound quality over multiple different BT buds/headphones using either my Mac or my phone...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 3 September 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link
if you’re a Mac user, it kind of sounds like this. I had a similar issue recently.
― beard papa, Friday, 3 September 2021 03:02 (three years ago) link
I had that issue on my last MacBook (if it’s the same thing); downloaded the app to force the setting and the whole bit.
― tumblin’ dice outro (morrisp), Friday, 3 September 2021 03:13 (three years ago) link
great they have kept the New Episodes feature as a constant , & now it has been constantly the same for 2 days. Lovely.NOt showing any shows past Sept 1st like
― Stevolende, Friday, 3 September 2021 13:42 (three years ago) link
I have never cared enough about Spotify's tweaks to complain before, but this new thing where a band's discography is displayed as a vertical scroll in descending chronological order is the worst, dumbest thing I've ever seen.
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― Miami weisse (WmC), Friday, January 24, 2020 8:55 PM (one year ago)
Accounting side has caught up with software side, and I've been informed that my Unlimited account billing is going away and will be converted to the free account, or I can bump it up from $5 to $10 for premium. Nice while it lasted.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:56 (three years ago) link
this new thing where a band's discography is displayed as a vertical scroll in descending chronological order is the worst, dumbest thing I've ever seen.*sits here sadly chuckling as a user of Amazon Music, which sorts an artist’s albums in (I guess) order of popularity; no option to sort alphabetically or by year*
― tumblin’ dice outro (morrisp), Sunday, 5 September 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to figure out what order would make more sense than chronological
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 5 September 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
For an artist with a huge discography, lots of reissues, etc., it can get unwieldy (try scrolling for a specific Grateful Dead album on any streaming service)… but reverse-chron is generally my preference.
― tumblin’ dice outro (morrisp), Sunday, 5 September 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
It's not the chronological aspect; it's the one-long-vertical-scroll part. They used to be displayed as a grid and you could click on the album you wanted to hear. Now the newest album (even if it's, say, a 2020 reissue of a 1975 release) is up top and you have to scroll down and down and down until you find the one you want.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 5 September 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
Do they expand all the tracks of each album in the scroll?
― tumblin’ dice outro (morrisp), Sunday, 5 September 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
Has this discography thing not gone back to what it was a year or so ago. I thought they did used to have discography's stacked vertically without thumbnails. Are they just continually throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. & I'm not sure for who cos they keep dumping things i like and trying things i really don't.THey have updated the new episodes thing like once since I complained then stuck with that,.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 5 September 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
I remember it being a pain trying to find things like specific Grateful Dead tracks when you weren't 100% up on what the individual set was when I was setting up playlists for teh radio show i did a few years ago. Which was mainly done using the Spotify set up because teh radio station had an account with them. & i think that was when I started using the program.Think i frequently had to try to find the tracks using the search engine. The thumbnail representation of a specific lp/set was pretty recent I thought. Is it actually older than teh current continuum of random changes which would date back 2 or 3 months wouldn't it? things are changing so much it's hard to keep track.
Really wondering what the story on that New Episodes thing is, looks like it may be done manually so it will update a load of things at the same time instead of automatically as a new episode is upped. Would think it would be part of an algorithm that would do the latter but this is the 2nd time I've seen it act like that. Would think incremental change would be more subtle and less visible.Very odd, would think that this is a very individual process dependent 100% on the individual user's listening history and therefore not something that could act like that. Is there a process that would only update a number of things after a trigger or something I'd checked the new episodes thing at least once before it updated this morning and it still had the update thing from 2 days ago. JUst not getting this and am assuming that if it is happening to me it must be more widespread.
― Stevolende, Monday, 6 September 2021 09:34 (three years ago) link
They used to be displayed as a grid and you could click on the album you wanted to hear.
I still see this method. I forgot there used to be a choice between grid and list view though.
Tabs would probably work well here although maybe there are accessibility issues with this that may be preventing it as viable method of navigating between albums, singles, comps per artist.
― nashwan, Monday, 6 September 2021 10:48 (three years ago) link
lol nm just noticed the grid/list toggle is still there at the top corner
― nashwan, Monday, 6 September 2021 10:58 (three years ago) link
Thanks! Problem solved.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 6 September 2021 12:36 (three years ago) link
There’s a fake Scott Walker track https://open.spotify.com/track/41ZXCDf4bzzM5Ocy3Fs5xm?si=2QNJPiNMTKijvHK5w5_A5A&dl_branch=1
― Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
fake Elder track turned up in my release radarhttps://open.spotify.com/album/2LghjX6Um8mcyXkoUxJrlR?si=a_Ckj9QKQiOiniFAXt1dTg&dl_branch=1
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
Accounting side has caught up with software side, and I've been informed that my Unlimited account billing is going away
Same here! I'd really like to keep Unlimited as I still have little use for the phone app. And I can't really afford an upgrade. Given the Unlimited option was grandfathered a very long time ago we're clearly very loyal customers, so I guess they're betting on us sticking around regardless. (Or there's so few of us left that they don't give a shit either way.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 6 September 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
I'll stick with free until/unless it's too annoying. I think I'll still be able to add to my existing playlists, the main one of which I play at work from someone else's (premium) account.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
seconding unperson's thanks for nashwan's wellspotted help! I've been annoyed for days too.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:16 (three years ago) link
Makes you wonder how well that tested. It's wild to be having to scroll down so much for those oldest releases either way. Putting the releases in a table view effectively like the playlist view so you can sort by newest/oldest and other criteria could be a winner.
― nashwan, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:35 (three years ago) link
Ah, I see how it could test well, especially with a younger (whatever that means etc) audience: it is actually somewhat pleasant when the discography is short.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 9 September 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
Has anybody else experienced the thing where you highlight something from the bottom of teh queue and try to move it only to find something completely different has been moved for no apparent reason. Just bugs me badly. & I don't know why it happens.Am I missing how you highlight things because I have had things start playing when I've just been trying to highlight them before.There's a lot about this interface that I don't like. Not sure if the cointinualk turnover of teh last few months has actually improved things has it.
But would really like to know if that thing where highlighting one thing appears to have another thing movable. I don't think what is being moved is actually something previously highlighted or anything. But I have seen that if I scroll through th elist i can sometimes find some random seeming thing highlighted for no apparent reason separate to what I have tried to highlight. Like what gives
― Stevolende, Friday, 10 September 2021 08:31 (three years ago) link
I am assuming that the probl;ems I am having with interface are more widespread so wanted to check if teh same activity is happening with others. I would think that if one tried to highlight something in say Word and something else completely random moved ine would find it strange. So is this happening to others in the current set up of Spotify.Or is everybody creating playlists for listening they will only do once. Should be able to set up a queued set of podcasts without need ing to have it be a unit that is more at least semi permanent. Whatever, process of highlighting seems to be counterintuitiuve at best. I'm expecting the set of shows I've got lit up to be recognised when I click on them to move them in the queue not something completely different. I don't know what the completel;y different show's connection to being clicked on is. I noticed yesterday that if i clicked on one specific show I got a lit up bar across another several numbers in the queueing sequence higher. I couldn't see the connection with what I was trying to do. I unclicked the show I hadn't clicked but each time I clicked the one I was trying to move thsi one would also light up. Is that a bug or a feature?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 11 September 2021 06:37 (three years ago) link
Re: the Spotify Unlimited ending thing, I got that email too, but the regular 5 bucks payment was taken out as usual a few days ago, and after checking a few things it looks like the Unlimited subscription is still active but has reverted to its original form, i.e. full functionality on the desktop app but only the free version of the mobile app. I'm kind of peeved that I'm now only getting what I paid for, but fair play I suppose.
― Heimweh, Saturday, 11 September 2021 17:32 (three years ago) link
why does the program recommend albums then have every track blacked out so it won't play? Seems a bit counterproductive. From what I remember of trying to queue a track from this it just skips. Odd behaviour but I've seen it several times now.
― Stevolende, Monday, 13 September 2021 10:06 (three years ago) link
I feel like you have a lot of weird technical issues that I've never seen before. Is anyone else confirming this stuff?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 13 September 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link
Not so far but I'm getting them frequently.
― Stevolende, Monday, 13 September 2021 13:54 (three years ago) link
I've had some albums turn up in the reccommendations folders and they have had one lit up track for some reason. Which makes some sense but is still frustrating since would be good to have choice of tracks. But to have things turn up and have no playable tracks makes little sense.Is it the fact I'm using Ubuntu as my OS?Not functioning in the way I'd like it to anyway.& still I think there were elements of the pre mess around interface that I preferred to current.
― Stevolende, Monday, 13 September 2021 13:59 (three years ago) link
Latest one that was all blacked out was bruce palmer The Cycle is Completed which was in my Album Picks.Not sure how bespoke that Album Picks thing is to me or alternatively how generic. Assume its somewhat based on my play choices but can tend to be a bit repetitive. Don't think I've seen that Bruce Palmer much before. Did mean to buy it when it was around as an I think Rhino handmade, saw it compared to peter green's solo lp The End of The Game. Long improvised mainly instrumental tracks.Not heard it in an age though.
― Stevolende, Monday, 13 September 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
Anyone tried this?
Whatever you do, do *not* ingenuously tap @Spotify’s new “Enhance” button on one of your carefully hand-crafted playlists. It would more accurately be labeled “Vandalize,” or perhaps “Ruin.”— Michael Chabon (@michaelchabon) September 18, 2021
― groovypanda, Sunday, 19 September 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
uhoh
― aegis philbin (crüt), Sunday, 19 September 2021 14:21 (three years ago) link
lol You can go back! Just tap "enhanced" again and it goes back to your original playlist!! in the replies
― nashwan, Sunday, 19 September 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
I think it should just mean it zooms in on the artwork images in the playlist view enough to make them having been worth including there
― nashwan, Sunday, 19 September 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
re: things being moved, i liked this https://kylechayka.substack.com/p/essay-the-digital-death-of-collecting (which is kind of like the spotify specific version of this https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/how-social-media-redesigns-manipulate-us)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 19 September 2021 21:29 (three years ago) link
Finally, in recent years, Spotify became the single international behemoth of mainstream music, an unavoidable* iceberg of content.
*citation needed
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 20 September 2021 01:43 (three years ago) link
posting to link this question crut asked me but I haven't had the chance to expand all posts on a computer since
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 20 September 2021 02:09 (three years ago) link
Not only is Spotify avoidable, there are a number of alternatives. That’s why I don’t really understand why people complain about it so bitterly, why not just try another service? They all have the same stuff, more or less(?)
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 20 September 2021 02:31 (three years ago) link
Don't know if anyone else got the survey? Basically the gist seemed to be would I like to pay twice as much for a bunch of things that are very much not music. I would not.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 24 September 2021 07:34 (three years ago) link
Didn't see a survey, but was one of those things hi-rez streaming?
― Taliban! (PBKR), Friday, 24 September 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
Actually, you’re right, that was the one musical thing.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:18 (three years ago) link
Any word on Spotify HiFi? Announcement was in February which said later this year. Thoughts there would have been an update by now.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
Seems all quiet. Just searched and there's been no follow-up.
Also to morrisp's point about alternatives... I signed up for an Apple Music trial this week just to dink around with the lossless and hi-def and Atmos and stuff. Maybe it's better to use on Apple hardware but on Android and PC it's not in Spotify's league at all. I'm using a USB DAC on my phone to sample some Atmos as those fancy features aren't even implemented in Windows yet. (I'll bump the Apple Music thread to see if anyone's heard anything interesting out of the selection of Atmos material)
The issues I had, at least, with the roll-out of Spotify's new desktop client were resolved. I still think the cluttering up of artist pages above their discography is a pain. The corralling of users towards podcasts and other cheap content is a pain. Joe Rogan sucks. It is worth discussion because it's still the sleekest service of its kind. Which is pretty wild. Or maybe Tidal has gotten a lot better since I last saw it?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
xps What was in this survey? Please paste if it was emailed. I've turned off as much annoyance as I could in the app so maybe it didn't pop it up at me, if it's in there.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
To add to my point (such as it is) - I understand some folks have tons of saved playlists or whatever in Spotify, which has a "lock-in" effect.
― juristic person (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
True. I wouldn't let that stop me from moving (a third party converter would carry them over well enough), but there aren't as many interesting playlists on other services. Spotify's own playlist curation and what's been put there by labels/companies/artists/fans has become a selling feature.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
I particularly like that you can use the Radio feature on a track, an artist, an album, a playlist. This has been very useful to me for tailoring searches for new music that matches a particular style that I want.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
I think Glenn came to them from their acquisition of "Echo Nest" to do such things? Is there anything comparable? God dang it
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
when everything but the music keeps subscribers around, one can forgive spotify for thinking the music is not their product
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
I feel like these features enable me to hear a lot more music that I wouldn't otherwise encounter, which also leads me to buying that music on other platforms like bandcamp or beatport, but I know that isn't everyone's experience
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:00 (three years ago) link
I am enjoyiong the recommendations when they're not overly repetitive. Heard some new sounds that I hadn't before but do have the same things turning up in apparent rotation in that feature. & do wonder how much clicking on free etc jazz artists I would need to do to have taht become a regular feature in that cos it seems I'm getting a lot more rock & psychedelic stuff but do wonder if that is inevitable anyway. & do assume that continually clicking on whatever black artists turn up in the recommendations would colour the algorithm's recommendations and so on.
Currently got a playlist with 100+ titles in. Which I think would probably have caused it to get dumped a few weeks ago. But still apparently randomly selecting titles within that list if i go to move things around. Do wonder if there is an ASCII or similar coding that I'm missing that would make sense of that iff i did know more about how the programming involved worked. Or if it is truly random.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 7 October 2021 10:02 (three years ago) link
I've found with radio playlists that the first big chunk of tracks will mostly be ones I'm familiar with, but if I scroll down to the point where there are tracks that are new to me and start from there, I end up getting more stuff that I haven't heard before as it adds to the end of the list.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 7 October 2021 12:23 (three years ago) link
That you're familiar with the first handful just makes it sound more eerily accurate. It doesn't know exactly what you've spent years with before you used Spotify. It will probably be more useful for people now growing up on Spotify.Anyways I think reading ilm has been even more helpful to me in hearing about good new music. So uh, go humans
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 7 October 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
the first bunch of songs on most auto-generated playlists are almost always songs that I've listened to a lot lately or very closely related to them
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link
The “radio” playlists always throw in a lot of tracks you already know and listen to, and are clearly affected by your account’s taste profile (or whatever Spotify would call it). To get music recommendations that are similar to a given track without the suggestions being so “contaminated” with stuff you’re already familiar with, start a new playlist containing only that track, then look at the recommended tracks that appear at the bottom of that new playlist.
― Dan I., Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
Another way to see what Spotify track radio would have produced without personalization is to stick a track link or URI into https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=radio&name=spotify:track:1vzqcPRQ6P1Uw7NZ5M77wJ. Radio currently has a pretty strong popularity bias in addition to the personalization, though. The Fans Also Like list on artist pages has less of that.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 7 October 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
going to give this a try. I already use your new releases page as a starting point for a lot of my searches.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
Another way to see what Spotify track radio would have produced without personalization is to stick a track link or URI into https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=radio&name=spotify:track:1vzqcPRQ6P1Uw7NZ5M77wJ.
This looks really useful, cheers. I'm probably missing the obvious but is there a way to turn the 100 tracks into a playlist on Spotify?
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
Oh, there's a way to get the list of track URIs, but it currently requires an extra step. Hang on.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 8 October 2021 12:37 (three years ago) link
OK, I added a "show track URIs" link at the bottom. Click that and you'll get a list of URIs that you can copy and paste into a blank playlist (using the desktop app).
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 8 October 2021 12:52 (three years ago) link
Woah, I thought I was being dumb and missing a link - didn't expect you to go to any trouble! Thank you.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 8 October 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
release radar is becoming useless. Each week there are fake acts or bullshit like thishttps://i.imgur.com/eeuLZex.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/8FOyq5p.png
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Friday, 8 October 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
radar traditionally requires a more discerning human eye to determine if the blips are real. it's all part of the RADARness.
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 8 October 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
spotify will continue to throw everything with non-zero CAN and Minutemen cross-section your way. we're all on this base together.
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 8 October 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link
Wow very annoying issue! When I click discography or albums on an artist page i just go straight to the last album. Can't browse albums on artist page. Anyone know a solution?
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Monday, 11 October 2021 07:17 (three years ago) link
Are you on desktop? Switch the view from list to grid, it will remember your choice.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 October 2021 08:33 (three years ago) link
Where do i change that?
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Monday, 11 October 2021 09:42 (three years ago) link
On the right of the albums page, there are two little icons for grid & list view.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 October 2021 09:47 (three years ago) link
Is there a way of controlling the layout of size of icons etc . Or do you just need to wait for it to fix itself automatically. I had to reinstall the app on my desktop a couple of days ago and it came in with the display larger than I wanted it and couldn't find a way to alter it. it has now corrected itself but I was wondering if it was something that the user could control since i couldn't find a way of doing so.Like the file system on my computer has a way of choosing which size icons you used so wonder if the same is true of Spotify and i'm just not seeing where the controls are. Looked around and didn't see an easy way of doing it.
Had to reinstall cos it seemed that after the programme finally did wipe the playlist instead of transferring it to my phone, when I went to add new podcasts it seemed the queue had gone blank again. NOt sure if that is just going blank or just too dark to read what has been added. & really not something i wanted to have to work out as i was trying to go out which is why I was trying to transfer in the first place. Ho hum
― Stevolende, Monday, 11 October 2021 10:00 (three years ago) link
On a mac you can do Cmd+ and Cmd- to make them grow and shrink. I'm guessing that on Windows Ctrl+ and Ctrl- would do the same.
― Alba, Monday, 11 October 2021 10:09 (three years ago) link
Ah got it, thanks anagram!
― black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Monday, 11 October 2021 10:43 (three years ago) link
Lots of Jackson C. Frank today. How did it know?
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
something going wrong today meant that a couple of queues got shortened as I highlighted things to move them . NOt sure if taht was Spotify, my computer or what but very badly timed. & I kep hoping it will finally have got over difficulty in transfering from the desktop to the phone but no, wiped teh list I'd sorted just before I was heading out. Lovely
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
right, just had the same thing happen again. I had several titles highlighted cos i was going to move them to the top of the queue I had ctrl pressed down and went to add another title . Instead of highlighting it started playing erasing all of the titles above it on the queue.So not sure if that is programme or keyboard/computer malfunctioning
― Stevolende, Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:21 (three years ago) link
This is a minor annoyance but recently when playing Spotify through Bluetooth in my car it’ll display the title of the first song and won’t update the title when the next song plays. I thought it might be my car but did the same when I tried in a friend’s car.
Seems I’m not the only one with this issue https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/mmkyvu/bluetooth_issue_where_song_name_isnt_updating_on/
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:38 (three years ago) link
Using Android 10.0.1 fwiw.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:39 (three years ago) link
I've been getting that too the last few days
― groovypanda, Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
Have another weird one. I've got a couple of paired Alexa speakers in most rooms which I usually play Spotify through. Have noticed now that first song plays correctly through both speakers but as soon as the next track starts it just plays through only one of the speakers.
― groovypanda, Thursday, 14 October 2021 12:26 (three years ago) link
Seems to be a weird bug where you might find single releases by a band through playlists though they're not listed under Albums nor Singles/EPs from the band's page. Just noticed this with the Casanova 70 single by Air.
― nashwan, Sunday, 17 October 2021 13:10 (three years ago) link
I'm not sure if that's a bug as I've noticed lots like that where a track is on a compilation album that's on Spotify but the single or album it's from isn't. That said I can see Air's Premiere Symptomes EP listed under their singles 🤷♂️
― groovypanda, Sunday, 17 October 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
glenn, for that radio page that you linked, is there a way to plug in URIs for other objects like playlists/albums/artists?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
xp in this case you can't even get search results for the four track single release (also listed as from 2004 rather than 1996) so the only way to it is through playlists or direct link
― nashwan, Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link
You can use artists or tracks in that radio thing, but the public API doesn't support albums or playlists as seeds (although obviously the app itself does).
You can use the same tool to answer these availability questions, too. E.g.:
https://everynoise.com/artistprofile.cgi?id=1P6U1dCeHxPui5pIrGmndZ#0HCq99iUU77YIMOagEgM6L
That Air EP itself is only available in the US, but the first two tracks are also available on the Premiers Symptômes EP, and the two remixes are also on The Remixes - Vol.1. Both of those are available widely. So if you're not in the US, the Casanova 70 EP isn't listed, but if you get to it anyway, all 4 tracks can be played by internal redirection to the other releases.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 October 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
why am I hearing commercials on my paid account for the first time ever?
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
Did you have Unlimited instead of Premium?
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
yes. did they change it?
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
Yeah, they eliminated Unlimited a couple of years ago on the functionality side and (I think) everyone who had it got bumped up to Premium, meaning you could use the mobile app, but the $5 price stayed the same. The business side caught up this year and eliminated Unlimited as a billing option and bumped everyone who had it back down to the free tier with ads.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
wow, OK fuck that, bye
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
My new releases list on the app is absolutely flooded with cat spam featuring the artist RelaxMyCat - "Piano For Cats", "Cat Music Dreams", "Sleepy Cats (Cheerful)", etc. I'm impressed by the algorithmic shithousery more than anything, I don't even have a cat.
― Heimweh, Monday, 8 November 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
Wait, which list do you mean?
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 8 November 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
The "What's New" notifications that you get when you click on the bell at the top of the Android app, not the Release Radar. Maybe a cat song came on the radio once when I was playing calming background working music, I clicked on the artist out of curiosity, and now I'm in the pet zone.
― Heimweh, Monday, 8 November 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link
Ah, right. I tend to forget about that one, because the format really doesn't work for me at all. I think it observes artists-bans, though, so you ought to be able to get rid of this particular impurrfection.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link
Did they get rid of Car Mode on the Android app?
― nate woolls, Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:20 (three years ago) link
don't think so, I just updated the app and it's there
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:26 (three years ago) link
I just tweeted the same question to them and this is their reply:
Hey there! Spotify is exploring a variety of new ways to deliver the best in-car listening experience for our users. We're also retiring certain features like our in-car Now Playing View for Android, to make way for innovations coming down the track. We hope you understand.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:34 (three years ago) link
google assistant driving mode - i.e. maps on your android device while you’re driving - has a spotify integration
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:39 (three years ago) link
so they may feel that covers it
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:40 (three years ago) link
If I'm using Spotify in the car I just want a no clutter screen with big text and buttons, annoying that it's been taken away
― nate woolls, Thursday, 11 November 2021 08:43 (three years ago) link
there is also Car Thing which may be rolled out beyond its beta group at some point, i dunno, but it is precisely that, with voice controls and a knob
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 November 2021 09:05 (three years ago) link
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Android/Car-View-missing/m-p/5280149/highlight/true#M181808
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 November 2021 10:57 (three years ago) link
Is it just me or has Spotify generally decided to blank out the titles/thumbnails of every podcast that has been played. I'm just getting blank image box and 2 lines where they should be.Had previously used the recently played to look for further episodes of things etc.Now just getting the music track entries displaying properly there. Odd, can it be intentional?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
Anyone find a solution to this? The Developer Options/Bluetooth AVRCP to 1.3 fix doesn't seem to work on my Redmi Note
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
Would love to never see a podcast on Spotify ever again.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
― DJI, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
Why limit it to Spotify?
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:41 (three years ago) link
Yeah, really sucked seeing Ben Shapiro’s smirking little face front and center last week
― Dan I., Thursday, 18 November 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
spotify regularly crashes now on ios15 when my phone is connected to airplay 2 speakers. when i start the app again, whatever track i was listening to is now at the 10 second mark, no matter where it had been when it crashed.I LUV TEKLOLOGY
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
this is literally how i listen to music about 60% of the time at home so…. it kinda sucks!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
I'm having this crashing problem as well
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
and just like that it doesn’t crash anymore.it’s still incredibly annoying that spotify “forgets” i’m listening on my airplay speakers literally every time the app is started again. ios is constantly bringing apps in and out of memory. each time i have to find the little icon for output devices, then select “other devices”, then choose my speakers. which is the output device i use 100% of the time when on my home wifi network.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 21 November 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
https://www.world-today-news.com/spotify-founder-daniel-ek-is-investing-100-million-euros-in-helsing/
Daniel Ek invests 100 million Euros into arms industry AI tech.
― mirostones, Sunday, 21 November 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
guy is scared of vampires
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 November 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
Random seems fucked… got a playlist of a hundreds and the same shit comes on
― calstars, Sunday, 21 November 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
Wait, WHAT!?!?!
This was the only request I had in our ever changing industry! We don’t create albums with so much care and thought into our track listing for no reason. Our art tells a story and our stories should be listened to as we intended. Thank you Spotify for listening 🍷♥️ https://t.co/XWlykhqxAy— Adele (@Adele) November 21, 2021
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 21 November 2021 20:47 (three years ago) link
Revelatory
― calstars, Sunday, 21 November 2021 20:49 (three years ago) link
is this brand new? it's more sensible anyways... you used to have to be aware that to pay in order you had to kinda weirdly tap song 1 and not the big play button. There is still the shuffle toggle on the playing screen... just like every other music player ever. Even when you're playing "30".
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 21 November 2021 21:59 (three years ago) link
I'm glad it still defaults to shuffle on playlists
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 November 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link
― mirostones, Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:39 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
so we're gonna just ignore this or
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 21 November 2021 23:19 (three years ago) link
That seems true for me for any media player I've ever had: WinAmp, iTunes, BlackPlayer etc
Piece about Spotify here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spotify-made-shuffle-feature-less-random-to-actually-feel-random-2020-3?r=US&IR=T
Also seems a common complaint for the last 20 years or so that if you've got a huge playlist, your media player appears to only shuffle the same 100 songs or so
― groovypanda, Monday, 22 November 2021 08:12 (three years ago) link
He seems pretty desperate to join the big league of morally bankrupt tech bros.
― namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Monday, 22 November 2021 08:36 (three years ago) link
@Groovypanda yeah , I know it’s a common problem of the ages… I guess the S algorithm favors songs that have already been played skipped or something. Just odd…
― calstars, Monday, 22 November 2021 12:46 (three years ago) link
it's like there are two threads here
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 November 2021 12:59 (three years ago) link
xp I have a long playlist I like to shuffle by copypasting urls into something like Notepad++ and back into Spotify, changing the order of the tracks will change the shuffle routines
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 22 November 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
the adele thing is good news!
I don't think anyone really shuffles albums anyway, do they? I thought that button was really there for playlists. I'm not suggesting people treat the track order as sacrosanct but if they mess about it with it, it's more by jumping in at whatever they point, skipping tracks they hate, no?
― Alba, Monday, 22 November 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
One where lots of us talk about features and functionality/bugs and one where you continually hate on the company itself? xps
― groovypanda, Monday, 22 November 2021 14:43 (three years ago) link
this is the issue that's currently really bugging me https://community.spotify.com/t5/Other-Podcasts-Partners-etc/Connect-Autoplay-DISABLED-but-still-ACTIVE/td-p/5279608
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 22 November 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
Much bigger problem than the whole "funding future wars" thing
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 November 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
the murder AI will teach itself how to fix the autoplay bugs
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 22 November 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
the issue with the button was that the default "play" button was a "play in shuffle mode" button - has definitely annoyed me many times, so very glad they're changing it!
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 November 2021 17:30 (three years ago) link
Can we just get back to basics with a million tunes in the room, a simple search and playback. I see “feature” creep all over the place and it’s ugly af
― calstars, Monday, 22 November 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
Then they'd never have been successful enough to give hundreds of millions of dollars to right wing podcasters and arms companies.
― namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Monday, 22 November 2021 18:25 (three years ago) link
I have no memory of every experiencing this, either on desktop or mobile, so now I feel like the rest of the world is in on some elaborate prank against me.
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 09:53 (three years ago) link
every = ever
Oohh, mystery solved. It was free-tier users who got that. I've been a Premium member for ever.
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 09:55 (three years ago) link
Yes never knew about it until yesterday, what an amazingly churlish idea assuming it was just to try and incentivise people to go Premium.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 10:22 (three years ago) link
They should try just playing a different song to free members.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 10:38 (three years ago) link
Rickroll every fifth song.
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 11:15 (three years ago) link
Really
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 14:24 (three years ago) link
Yeah that was a confusing button. I just clicked the first track if I'd wanted to hear the album sequentially
― willem, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
Oh I’m probably wrong then. Yeah, I think my instinct would always have been to tap on the first track so maybe I just ignored that button.
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
premium here too, had the shuffle as default on play button, overjoyed that it is gone. Thank you Adele! (though very weird - but not bad - for artist requests to drive UI change)
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
i have zero doubt that her request happened to align with a decision they arrived at by other means and this was essentially a (successful) PR stunt
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
Yes, win-win for them all. Adele gets lots of extra publicity and plays for her album, Spotify cone across as good guys who are sympathetic to artists’ needs. Just don’t mention the streaming rate, ok,
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
or the article linked above about where subscribers' money is going
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
Just don’t mention the streaming rate, ok,
They never rolled out that HiFi plan that they teased, did they?
― fancy like applebeez (morrisp), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
this is a godsend honestly, the app itself is very clunky. https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_spotify
― mister floppy, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
wow that's super cool
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
queue I was listening to just reset in the middle fo a podcast i was listening to. Wasn't sure what happened when it did this a couple of weeks ago when i was listening to things on my phone in another room when it just stopped dead. Seems like its done teh same thing again.So this time i just happened to be sitting at the desktop when it did it. So there are no other factors in it that I'm aware of.THought it might be my phone last time. Or something hitting the full capacity of memory being used, can't be with the desktop surely.Pain , has me wondering what is causing that if it is somebody somewhere triggering my machine going off or if it is an automatyic thing somewhere. Annoying anyway.I don't want to go to the bother of sticking a playlist together in a more time consuming way but are queues just open to being switched off somehow. I still don't get how this works so how to avoid it. I tend to listen to a podcast once so not going to be something I'm going to be wanting to revisit like it was a sequence of music.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 25 November 2021 13:32 (three years ago) link
new lyrics feature otm afaic
https://i.imgur.com/scJzlHb.jpg
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Friday, 26 November 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
Some kind of scat transliteration, maybe?
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 23:33 (three years ago) link
exactly. idk how they did it!
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Friday, 26 November 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
looks like the lyrics to Medzi Medzi by ET Mensah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svkohDSAVy4
― koogs, Saturday, 27 November 2021 06:38 (three years ago) link
So Wrapped this year is just a couple of playlists? I don't see any neato/perplexing stats or anything in the app.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
There's a button on the Top Tracks playlist (phone app version) that's supposed to take you to a slide show like last year, but it's not working for everybody.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
If you share your top tracks playlist and someone clicks on it it just brings them to their own top tracks playlist , not yours I know it’s probably a feature and not a bug right
― calstars, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
if it isn't showing for you try updating the app, i did that and then it appeared on the home menu
― ✖, Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
Your Artists Revealed looks kind of weird.
― Duck and Sally Can’t Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
https://ra.co/news/76439
In case anyone missed it up thread
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
Nobody here cares about that, apparently. This appears to be a safe space for Ek and his Skynet-y plans
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 2 December 2021 01:09 (three years ago) link
To my coworkers sharing that your top artists were Kanye, John Mayer, etc.… yr IG Stories are making me see you in a new light!
― quiet coyote (morrisp), Thursday, 2 December 2021 01:55 (three years ago) link
My Wrapped had a slide show. I was in the top 0.5% of Tori Amos listeners, which sounds right
― Vinnie, Thursday, 2 December 2021 01:58 (three years ago) link
I’m in the top 0.5 of Sparks listeners.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 December 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link
does glenn still post here? a friend asked me what “permanent wave” was and i couldn’t really explain. is it like new wave, but not so new anymore?
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Thursday, 2 December 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link
refers to hair in a pompadour, like the rest of the Romeos wore, iirc
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 2 December 2021 05:29 (three years ago) link
Sucks so hard to see artists I like posting about their 2 million streams knowing that paid like $4000 if they're lucky.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 December 2021 05:54 (three years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/1f/76/2e1f76dca43bc15e299a8648f6600ba8.png
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Thursday, 2 December 2021 07:12 (three years ago) link
I'm in the top 1% of Grouper listeners around the world apparently. My prize is a week on a foggy hillside and a jumper with the sleeves slightly too long.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 2 December 2021 12:46 (three years ago) link
I've got the wrapped playlists but no stats :(
― namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Thursday, 2 December 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
They’re wrapped in a very annoying Innocent smoothie wrapper and there’s no way to skip through the guff. You can have mine if you want. Once again Cliff Martinez is my favourite artist, just because I use the Solaris to try to sleep.
― Alba, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
Yeah, 3 of my top 5 artists are Celer, Nomist & Loscil because they're what I leave on every night when I'm going to sleep
― groovypanda, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:56 (three years ago) link
Huh - even my boss just IG’d that her top artist is the one she uses to fall asleep every night. I didn’t know so many ppl did that
― quiet coyote (morrisp), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
Does Youtube Music have anything other than the Year In Review playlist? I'd love to join everyone in posting stats.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/aaQwLYm.jpg
my other top artists were brian eno, steve tibbetts, and harold budd — all folks i play nightly to fall asleep to.
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
also that military alignment is wild. having visions of kate bush's "experiment iv" coming to life.
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
I'm in the top 0.05% for autechre! I like to listen to them while I work
― silverfish, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
I did the update, but now can't get past the first slide of the slideshow without the app crashing.
If Spotify has money to get into ai weapons, they certainly have money to fix this (and pay artists more).
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
I would cancel (for a variety of reasons) but my wife is also on my family account and good luck trying to convince her. Subscriptions suck
― calstars, Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
Also the lolz of them sending you an email about how 'your wrapped is ready' with a link that takes you to the desktop site in your browser and tells you that you need the app to actually see it (and it won't let you go from there to either your desktop app or the phone one to see it).
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
My actual top artist has got to be one of the children's songs artists my son listens to all day but that didn't show up in the list. I guess it gets filtered out?
― Vinnie, Thursday, 2 December 2021 23:19 (three years ago) link
Does Youtube Music have anything other than the Year In Review playlist? I'd love to join everyone in posting stats.Seems they (sort of) do
― katebishopfan616 (morrisp), Thursday, 2 December 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
My song list skewed by certain tunes being on repeat for an extended period and artist list by POLL-related listening but I’ll take it.
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
Mine is definitely wrong. I don't remember listening to hardly any Beach Boys or Tom Waits this year, and yet Sault and Autechre don't figure at all in my top 100.
Then the rest is Soca and afrobeats bangers interspersed with orchestral versions of video game soundtracks I listen to for concentration at work
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 3 December 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
Just got the invite to order one of these, so I did.
― DJI, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
finally checked my spotify wrapped, i was only in the top 0.1% for autechre, massive fail. and my top two moods were tender and yearning *gazes wistfully*
― namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Thursday, 9 December 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
The "top X%" of BAND listeners is interesting but probably massively skewed by individuals who listened to a single song on a playlist or sampled BAND at some point. I would like to see how long the tails are on those stats and would be more interested in where I rank among "fans," however that might be defined.
On an unrelated note, as of last week my Spotify web player is completely fucked. I will press play on an album and it will play the first 2 seconds of each of the first five or so songs in a row, then play about 10 seconds of the sixth song, then just stop. A google search suggests others resolved this by creating an entirely new account and having Spotify migrate everything over, which is insane? Have to play everything off my phone now. Ugh.
― Indexed, Thursday, 9 December 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 December 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
Think I had maybe the same moods, and my 0.1% was a POLL-driven Afghan Whigs!
― tvod+ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
Sorry, not quite, mine was innovative and wistful.
― tvod+ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
And I was top 0.05% Whigs.
― tvod+ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
POLL-driven Todd Rundgren was my #2 artist.
― tvod+ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
It's my assumption that % is calculated from a population of people who listened to x artist at all, rather than all Spotify users, but I could be wrong.
― Alba, Thursday, 9 December 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
Any idea why some friends have suddenly disappeared from my friend activity feed? I know they've been active lately and I like to keep up with what they're listening to.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
i think that means they turned off the setting to share what theyre listening to
― Spottie, Thursday, 9 December 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
We [Spotify, not me] recently changed the default sharing setting from Yes to No, so anybody who had never touched that setting will have sharing off now. They can turn it on, but since you don't see the sharing on the phone apps, the vast majority of people didn't know it existed and didn't know other people could see their listening to begin with.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
oh that sucks - i'd hesitate to ask even a family member to turn the sharing setting on so I can continue to stalk them
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:06 (three years ago) link
I discover so much new music that way it's ridiculous
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 9 December 2021 22:09 (three years ago) link
I'd better be careful, lest "Seaside Woman" skews next year's stats. Or do late December listens just drift off into the interstellar void.
― Raw Like Siouxsie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 December 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
I have noticed a seeming uptick in the number of solo artists who are also credited as second (third, etc.) artist on tracks from groups they were or are a part of. E.g. "Sweet Dreams" credited to The Eurythmics, Annie Lennox, Dave Stewart. This seems like a positive development in lots of ways; but I'm such an old fart, reared on physical media and record stores, that it does take me a minute to get my head around it.
― Jimmy Iovine Eat World (bernard snowy), Saturday, 11 December 2021 13:36 (three years ago) link
... but actually I think the specific change I was reacting to was the fact that the Eurythmics' version of "Sweet Dreams" show up as the #1 most-played song on the artist page for Annie Lennox. Which is cool, notwithstanding the breaking of my brain; if someone hears her name and wants to know what her biggest song is then I think that would be the correct answer.
Otoh, "C.R.E.A.M." does not appear to be Raekwon's most streamed song, nor Inspectah Deck's. Is this a case-by-case decision by Spotify? An option that can be exercised individual artists and rightsholders? I'm very curious about this side of the biz.
― Jimmy Iovine Eat World (bernard snowy), Saturday, 11 December 2021 13:45 (three years ago) link
Trying to credit all the individual contributors on Wu-Tang tracks is going to break the spotify DB
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 11 December 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link
Can't drag tracks into collaborative playlists in the web version. Could we ever (been so long since I needed to) ?
― nashwan, Saturday, 18 December 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
No, dragging to collaborative doesn’t work on browser. Not sure if it ever has but certainly been that way for a long time.
― Alba, Saturday, 18 December 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link
k thx
― nashwan, Saturday, 18 December 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
Pretty cool
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 December 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/rnoz4b/i_accidentally_left_a_script_running_for_a_decade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Is long pressing me on the cover art meant to preview the track? I get nothing
― Alba, Friday, 24 December 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link
me
― Alba, Friday, 24 December 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
Another year past, another year Spotify Hifi streaming fails to appear
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 December 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link
How “hifi” is it supposed to be? Like Tidal?
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 25 December 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
Take your pick – Tidal, Amazon, Qobuz. Spotify Premium tops out at a measly 320kbit/s. There’s no reason to subscribe if bitrate is important to you.
― Texas Medicine v. Railroad Gin (morrisp), Saturday, 25 December 2021 03:17 (two years ago) link
(YT Music is even worse at 256, and it sounds accordingly shitty)
― Texas Medicine v. Railroad Gin (morrisp), Saturday, 25 December 2021 03:22 (two years ago) link
Don't want to start any bitrate wars but don't you need a top end system or amazing hearing or something to tell the difference between 320 and say flac or whatever?
― groovypanda, Sunday, 26 December 2021 07:28 (two years ago) link
I don’t know if my hearing’s amazing, but I’ve tried out all the above using cheapy BT headphones and can def tell the difference (I actively use YT Music and Amazon Music HD, and it’s night & day).
― Texas Medicine v. Railroad Gin (morrisp), Sunday, 26 December 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
(granted, 320 isn’t 256. and there is added cost vs. Spotify with some of those HD services, but not Amazon or Apple)
― Texas Medicine v. Railroad Gin (morrisp), Sunday, 26 December 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link
One thing I did notice when had both Apple Music and Spotify subscriptions is that Apple’s AAC sounded very different (better, tbh) than Spotify’s top rate.
― Alba, Sunday, 26 December 2021 07:57 (two years ago) link
I've done tests on the good hifi system, swapping between the same tracks on CD and Spotify Premium through a Bluetooth DAC. The CD versions sound very slightly better if you listen closely, but there's not much in it.
― mike t-diva, Sunday, 26 December 2021 13:01 (two years ago) link
i can't tell at all on my hifi gear. look up some "abx" tests with real time switching to get a good idea if it matters to your ears.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 26 December 2021 13:07 (two years ago) link
― groovypanda, Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:28 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes and I have all those things
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 26 December 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RfGe6MvY84
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link
it’s kind of amazing to me that in 2021 when music streaming is essentially a commodity service, each service is…. ripping its own files? really?
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 December 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
I thought I recall reading on this thread that record companies supply the rips
― beard papa, Sunday, 26 December 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
Wanna know the rest? Hey, buy the rips.
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
Distributors supply the original audio files, but each service then creates its own encoded versions...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 26 December 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
Last night, I was supplying the rips.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 26 December 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Last night I dreamt I went to Spotify again.
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 26 December 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
seems like yer gettin' a lil confused, friend.
https://i.imgur.com/wQ2dtSS.jpg
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Thursday, 6 January 2022 15:25 (two years ago) link
i am an american overweight lover
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Thursday, 6 January 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link
Yes, we were all waiting for this!
https://www.engadget.com/spotify-call-to-action-cards-podcast-ads-160009589.html
― DJI, Thursday, 6 January 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link
Are there a lot of people looking at the audio podcast playing on their phone? Just watching the seconds on Marc Maron's intro passing by?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 6 January 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link
No but if the trusted voice in their ear says they can tap a link to go straight to the thing that's being talked about that's a pretty powerful traffic driver
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 January 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
I've yet to encounter a single person (except for maybe a Rogan fan in the wild) who even likes Spotify as a podcast platform. I've dropped some Gimlet shows I really like (Science VS and Every Little Thing) from my routine simply because they became Spotify-exclusive. I will not use Spotify for podcasts and I hope this whole power grab blows up in their faces.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 7 January 2022 03:52 (two years ago) link
Same
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 7 January 2022 12:21 (two years ago) link
It saves people having to use a different app for their music and their podcasts, is the main thing
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 January 2022 12:39 (two years ago) link
That's all well and good, but to prevent podcasts from being freely available on whichever apps the user prefers, which has been the law of the podcast land for as long as podcasts have been around, is infuriating.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 7 January 2022 13:23 (two years ago) link
I started using it asa mainly podcast platform because i had it. I got it because of teh radio show I was doing thanks to a government scheme I was on a few years ago. It has some major problems and I don't have a comparison referent for it. So not looked at what else is out there. i tend to listen to each podcast interspersed with a music track which I like.& I do listen to it a lot and get frustrated by negative quirks it has a lot pretty much daily.So I dunno. it does work when it works.
― Stevolende, Friday, 7 January 2022 13:31 (two years ago) link
sometimes i get so frustrated with the propaganda bullshit that spotify is trying to regurgitate on me that i just uninstall it for a few days because fuck that noise.
― please don't refer to me as (Austin), Friday, 7 January 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link
"podcasts from being freely available on whichever apps the user prefers, which has been the law of the podcast land for as long as podcasts have been around, is infuriating."
TBF there are very few of these exclusives. The overwhelming majority of podcasts are available on all platforms. I imagine most of the ones you care about are?
But certainly you should expect to see a handful of high profile corporate-owned podcasts go behind paywalls or become exclusive to a platform. It's one of the only levers Spotify and others have to pull to entice people to come to their service and stay. The music catalogues are all pretty similar and everything's on YouTube anyway.
What's interesting about the current moment in podcasting to me is that going exclusive to a platform will pretty much always involve a hit to listening figures, and hence to ad revenue. Rogan's listenership is down because he's only on Spotify. But this will also be true of any exclusive. If you're a podcast star and your monthly earnings are tied to your listenership you are going to need cash up front from the platform to make up for this loss. Or some other kind of compensation. How long will Spotify and others be willing to essentially bribe talent to be less famous?
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 8 January 2022 11:42 (two years ago) link
And the related question: how long will talent be happy with that arrangement?
It has worked for Stern for many years.
― DJI, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:15 (two years ago) link
Stern wasn’t on a vitamin grift though
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
Stern has a podcast? I thought he was on Sirius
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 9 January 2022 01:06 (two years ago) link
Oh you mean the move to Sirius from terrestrial radio is analagous I guess? That’s true and yes he seems quite happy w it
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 9 January 2022 01:08 (two years ago) link
Sorry yes, that’s what I meant. I never subscribed to Sirius/XM, and never really listened to St rn again. I’m sure there were lots like me, but the dumptruck of cash seemed to make up for it to him.
― DJI, Sunday, 9 January 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link
Yeah. I think that math is different for people “on the up” though.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 9 January 2022 23:32 (two years ago) link
https://mobile.twitter.com/MBVofficial/status/1484292521329106949https://mobile.twitter.com/mrsimonraymonde/status/1484306180017061895
― dark end of the st. maud (sic), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link
I believe Musixmatch provides those lyrics
― aegis philbin (crüt), Friday, 21 January 2022 02:20 (two years ago) link
for free?
― dark end of the st. maud (sic), Friday, 21 January 2022 04:08 (two years ago) link
Every sic has his day: https://www.stereogum.com/2173905/neil-young-spotify-joe-rogan-vaccine-misinformation/news/
― A really interesting songwriter is Billie Eilish and her brother. (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link
you know what really annoys me kind of a lot? spotify doesn't show you the individual track lengths until you're playing a song. and even then you have to look at the detail screen. why is it so hard to just display that info on the main tracklist page? is there a setting or something that i can tweak for this?
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 00:41 (two years ago) link
On mobile? I get track lengths for playlists and albums on desktop.
― for 200 anyone can receive a dud nvidia (ledge), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
yeah, mobile. i looked all around settings on desktop and mobile and i can't find anything that would indicate it's an option.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:21 (two years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-salad-of-nonsense-scientists-denounce-jordan-petersons-comments-on-climate-models
rogan is into idiotic climate denialism too? great. i wish radiohead & some other high profile artists would follow neil young's lead.
― for 200 anyone can receive a dud nvidia (ledge), Thursday, 27 January 2022 09:00 (two years ago) link
That would make the tracklist page look cluttered I think. Prefer it without track lengths tbh.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 27 January 2022 09:22 (two years ago) link
rogan is into idiotic climate denialism too? great. i wish radiohead & some other high profile artists would follow neil young's lead.― for 200 anyone can receive a dud nvidia (ledge), Thursday, January 27, 2022 1:00 AM
― for 200 anyone can receive a dud nvidia (ledge), Thursday, January 27, 2022 1:00 AM
he's a right wing mouthpiece of the worst variety imo. total dregs of society. would also love to see a mass exodus of significant acts following neil's example. unfortunately not likely.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Thursday, 27 January 2022 11:43 (two years ago) link
there's also this
On Joe Rogan's Spotify podcast -- Jordan Peterson claims Michael Eric Dyson is "not Black" Rogan replies: "Unless you are talking to someone who is like 100% African from the darkest place where they are not wearing any clothes all day ... the term Black is weird." pic.twitter.com/Wyk00WHwus— Alex Paterson (@AlexPattyy) January 25, 2022
― rob, Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link
BREAKING: Spotify has shutdown its live customer support due to an unprecedented number of complaints after they doubled-down on their Joe Rogan anti-vax campaign pic.twitter.com/yscw97xTkt— LeGate (@williamlegate) January 27, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 January 2022 02:15 (two years ago) link
Finally remembered to cancel Spotify Premium, they really set a record for "r u sure u want to cancel?!?!" screens. It was quicker to cancel a porn subscription in 2001 than Spotify.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 28 January 2022 02:29 (two years ago) link
quoth papal hotwife
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 January 2022 03:20 (two years ago) link
BREAKING - Spotify is no longer letting people cancel subscriptions.— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) January 28, 2022
― groovypanda, Friday, 28 January 2022 09:01 (two years ago) link
I have instructed my management to do what we can to remove my music from @Spotify. @UMG controls The Commotions & my 90's catalogue. Here's hoping they want to be on the right side of this moment.— Lloyd Cole (@Lloyd_Cole) January 28, 2022
― groovypanda, Friday, 28 January 2022 09:08 (two years ago) link
I'd like to see more creativity here."Disable my 100 most played songs"
― nashwan, Friday, 28 January 2022 11:22 (two years ago) link
I would imagine most musicians have zero control over whether their music appears on Spotify.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 January 2022 11:33 (two years ago) link
Lloyd Cole - still always on the right side of history!
― the pinefox, Friday, 28 January 2022 11:42 (two years ago) link
I like that he says “this moment” not “history”. Give historians a chance!
― Alba, Friday, 28 January 2022 11:55 (two years ago) link
Joni's out
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:01 (two years ago) link
Forks, start a new thread for the current Spotify fallout
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:18 (two years ago) link
only if you vote in the television poll
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:31 (two years ago) link
Joe Bob is not on the noms list!
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:47 (two years ago) link
as has been mentioned, you can add non-nominated shows to your ballot
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 January 2022 05:10 (two years ago) link
Armando Iannucci's ilx film
― I know we will continue to be a power couple (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 29 January 2022 05:21 (two years ago) link
I don't think I can quit, DW is too good. Never listened to much PJ Harvey and today it played me "We Float", christ.
― brisk money (lukas), Thursday, 17 February 2022 08:48 (two years ago) link
Tidal's discover daily has not been very useful so far (all stuff I've been listening to forever) but it doesn't have much to go on as far as my listening.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 February 2022 09:49 (two years ago) link
Having moved over to Apple Music, Discover Weekly is the one thing I miss; is there any remotely equivalent feature on AM? How much would Apple have to pay Glenn to bring him on and how soon can we make this happen?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:01 (two years ago) link
Apple has a New Release Radar equivalent (but crappier), no Discover Weekly AFAIK.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 February 2022 20:13 (two years ago) link
Spotify Sources Say Joe Rogan’s Deal Was Spotify Sources Say Joe Rogan’s Deal Was $200 Million, Double What Was Originally Reported00 Million, Double What Was Originally Reported
― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 17 February 2022 21:45 (two years ago) link
how in the world is $200M a good value for even a popular non-shitty podcast, let alone this dumpster fire?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 17 February 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link
Don't be rash, this is over three years.
― removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:51 (two years ago) link
Even if I didn't spurn podcasts on spotify, the artwork for his piece of shit thing is viscerally unappealing
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 18 February 2022 06:28 (two years ago) link
Is there a streaming service that treats albums the way iTunes (or any other similar software) does? As in, I can have folders and sub-folders and sub-sub-folders etc. of albums, or a system of playlists where I can file albums (say, "Black Metal From 1993 I Need to Listen to" or "New shit recommended on ILX" etc.) and they'll be displayed as albums with a "listen" button, and NOT as a long-ass and useless list of tracks?
― Dinsdale, Friday, 18 February 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link
You can add folders of playlists in Spotify. However, on 3rd party devices these often show up as one big playlist.
― DJI, Friday, 18 February 2022 20:01 (two years ago) link
You can make folders on mobile? I've only managed to do it on desktop but I never use the desktop version.
― Dinsdale, Friday, 18 February 2022 20:03 (two years ago) link
Desktop only afaik
― DJI, Friday, 18 February 2022 21:36 (two years ago) link
Dunno if Glenn still has the job he had last time I read this thread, but some disaggregation here looks necessary: https://open.spotify.com/track/6AXmTRvKJQueNxI9YZAHgV?si=cCn4zJR1QvGqgFoRLv1EOA
(don’t play it, it’s some half assed piano piece, not Low - feels decidedly dodgy)
― Jeff W, Monday, 21 February 2022 18:00 (two years ago) link
It hasn't ever been my job to fix these, but I've reported it to the team that does so...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 February 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
Why don’t your bosses make it easier to report these?
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:08 (two years ago) link
that came off really dickish
― beard papa, Monday, 21 February 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link
Oh, if I'm the one you're saying came off as dickish, I apologize! I should have replied less tersely. I share your enthusiasm for fixing these, and sometimes do it myself because I have the power, even though it isn't actually my job. We do have a team whose job it *is* to fix them, and I reported this. I won't fix it myself because I'm not sure whether it will be moved or taken down. There used to be a menu option for reporting errors in the desktop app, but it wasn't included in the recent rearchitecture for reasons I'm not sure of.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link
Glenn, I did not find your reply dickish - I was talking to Boring, Maryland. Sorry for the confusion, I hope it didn't cause you any bad feelings. You've been great on this whole thread and your site is awesome - I'm a big fan!
As for the comment I was replying to; maybe I'm sensitive, but I get a little riled when someone refers to my "bosses" - especially when expressing frustration/ranting whatever. Just feel like people could be nicer to Glenn here. He doesn't owe anything to anybody here.
― beard papa, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 06:43 (two years ago) link
Oh, FWIW I didn't take any offense at that. It should be easier to report problems. Probably. Problem-reporting also gets abused, sadly. I read "your bosses" as "your company's priority-setters", not "your personal puppet-masters".
Also, I've been here a lot longer than I've been at Spotify, so I know what to expect. But thanks!
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:11 (two years ago) link
There used to be a form on the Spotify website to report incorrect track names etc. I reported several such errors. None of them ever got fixed.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:19 (two years ago) link
Same.
― Alba, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:53 (two years ago) link
Worth noting that track-name errors come from, and have to be fixed by, the original distributor, while artist-ambiguity/grouping errors can be fixed directly by us at Spotify...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link
glenn any reason why the music industry doesn’t just standardise on MusicBrainz? it something similar? wouldn’t unique IDs be good??
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:37 (two years ago) link
I definitely can't answer on behalf of the industry. A central authoritative source of definitive IDs seems like an abstract good, but doesn't actually solve a lot of the practical problems. I mean, we have unique Spotify IDs already, so if that were all it took, all industry artist-ambiguity problems would be outside of Spotify. Hold on, I'm just enjoying that idea for a moment. OK, I'm back.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link
It’s an incredibly hard problem, because there isn’t really an objective source of truth - even for something as simple as “artist name” you get down to what was printed on a given sleeve, and those have sometimes differed even for the same work. It’s also hard to model flexibly enough to cope with what artists will come up with next. Like most naive models would have a 1:1 mapping between performer and title, but to fully specify it out you need an performer-name-track-title-releasedate relationship because the name a given performer gets given has varied by all those things over time (and more). But a modelling that flexible is waaaay over-engineered for most purposes so services have much simpler models and that involves making trade-offs to fit the real world into their models; and they often do them in ways that are incompatible with one another.Hence the misery of trying to standardise. For a long time the BBC had an entire internal fork of MusicBrainz to try and deal with the mismatches between their playout systems and MB; I’m not sure that’s still maintained though.
― stet, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link
There needs to be a UN agency.
― Alba, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:24 (two years ago) link
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link
Grapefruit Records picked the last couple of weeks to start advertising a Spotify playlist.Does that just mean political apathy.
& did anybody take to boycotting Neil young cos he loudly flounced off Spotify and advertised a move to Amazon which is hardly the most ethical of companies. Wonder what the end of the pandemic is going to mean re the popularity of that firm. Is it going to gain negativity now its no longer as needed for things to be as easy.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 5 March 2022 11:02 (two years ago) link
163k outages reported
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
seems to be down for all
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link
yep
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link
What happened
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link
the Pono was a distributed hacking device all along
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link
russian hackers
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
Discord too, apparently.
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
Music brands · TrendingSpotify1.1M Tweets
!!!
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link
russian hackers trying to keep Joe Rogan's Real News from us
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link
Worked for me just now.
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link
yes, that didn't last long
― pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that was weird. It was asking me to fiddle with my firewall in order to log in.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:58 (two years ago) link
Wonder what the end of the pandemic is going to mean re the popularity of that firm. Is it going to gain negativity now its no longer as needed for things to be as easy.
has this been scheduled now?
― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link
Has the search function stopped working for anyone else?
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 11 March 2022 14:18 (two years ago) link
Working for me
― Vinnie, Friday, 11 March 2022 14:26 (two years ago) link
the Barcelona soccer team got 89 BILLION streams in one day!!!
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 03:37 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/iUinCLL.jpg
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 03:54 (two years ago) link
According to ChartMasters, the most cumulative streams ever recorded by a single artist on Spotify is Drake with 62.84 billion.
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 04:17 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/fg4h07C.jpg
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 05:05 (two years ago) link
However, of these streams, 17.57 billion were from tracks on which Drake was merely a featured artist (and therefore, wouldn’t have claimed the majority of the royalties).
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 07:19 (two years ago) link
stars aligning for that Shakira comeback
― celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Thursday, 17 March 2022 09:04 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ttp1XTe.jpg
― beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:13 (two years ago) link
Clint's doing decent on pretty much every platform lately, I believe?
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 18 March 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link
$310 million decent?
― beepy fridges (sic), Friday, 18 March 2022 00:54 (two years ago) link
I remember when a child used to have a multimedia vertical experience on a single platform about a man kicking a ball outside
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 18 March 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link
no I dunno maybe m$i0opnutll 3.2 fourteen? I just liked that an old Poppies picture turned up. The posting of that seemed devoid of any point, and so was my reply.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 18 March 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link
there is a very subtle connection between the pictures I posted and the text I posted
― beepy fridges (sic), Saturday, 19 March 2022 07:28 (two years ago) link
eg
On tracks on which Drake was the lead artist, he has to date pulled in 45.27 billion streams on Spotify. And these streams, at that average per-stream rate ($0.00348), would have generated around $157 million.
― beepy fridges (sic), Saturday, 19 March 2022 07:29 (two years ago) link
Um, so, has anyone else got this thing (I'm on the Windows client) where it says "PUBLIC PLAYLIST" above the title when selecting any playlist, even if it was made with the "Make new playlists public" option off? I notice that a Spotify representative claims on the community forum that they'd never make such bulk changes, but in that case they have a pretty bad display bug.
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link
The terminology changed. There didn't used to be any real access control on playlists, just whether they were listed on your profile (which was called "public") or not (which was called "private"). Recently we added actual privacy, which prevents people from seeing your playlist even if they have a link to it. So that's what's now called "private", and "public" means that someone with the link can see it. Whether it's shown on your profile or not is now separate. A bit confusing as a shift in naming, but a better feature now...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:04 (two years ago) link
Ah. Thanks. The realities make good sense, but it seems to me the terminology may be unfortunate, due to the earlier use of the word "public" for what you describe as "listed on your profile", and the word itself has a force of "completely open" to me. Three levels could have been made less confusing by calling them e.g. private / linkable / public, or something.
What is the term for the former "public" ones, those that are now shown on the profile, btw? And is this group of playlists exactly the same as those that are searchable by title, and/or those that turn up as "Discovered on" in artist pages?
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:40 (two years ago) link
And, not least: how to make new playlists truly private by default?
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link
There's not a default-private setting yet.
To be searchable or show up in Discovered On, a playlist has to be shown on your profile (and thus has to be public), and have at least 2 listeners over some amount of time I don't remember, and sometimes it takes more than that for complicated reasons.
The new wording for the old function is "Add to profile" / "Remove from profile".
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
Thanks again for clear (and reassuring) replies, it is very much appreciated.
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 05:39 (two years ago) link
Want to not ever see podcasts again in the desktop app, or customize in other ways?
https://github.com/spicetify/
― DJI, Monday, 4 April 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link
Hallelujah!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 01:42 (two years ago) link
Was looking forward all day to listen to Hejira until I remembered :(
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 12 April 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hejira+full+album
― brisk money (lukas), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 03:56 (two years ago) link
Well, you could always consider buying a download. Or listening on Youtube. There are many ways to hear that album online!
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 03:58 (two years ago) link
It’s in print on CD too
― beepy fridges (sic), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 07:04 (two years ago) link
in a way, you did listen to joni's hejira
― Michael Flatley's (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 07:27 (two years ago) link
What is fucking up with the new interface? Albums now buried several clicks deep and are in a list form with tracks instead of just the album art. You can reset the latter, but when you click back to the albums from an individual album, it resets back to the list form with tracks.
If this is the way it is supposed to be, I'm out.
― we only steal from the greatest books (PBKR), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link
The thing with the view switching back is just a bug, and should be fixed soonish...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link
Interface just keeps getting worse
― calstars, Thursday, 14 April 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
Glenn, I appreciate all your patience dealing with our bullshit.
That said, feel free to pass along that burying basic content (like albums) to privilege dumb stuff like podcasts and whatever marginally related ephemera they are trying to cram near the top is enraging.
― we only steal from the greatest books (PBKR), Thursday, 14 April 2022 01:13 (two years ago) link
― calstars, Thursday, 14 April 2022 01:30 (two years ago) link
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ongoing-Issues/Now-Playing-bar-missing-on-Android/idi-p/5364978
anyone else bitten by this one?
― Michael Flatley's (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
I've had it happen briefly, restarting the app helped
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:01 (two years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link
the UX on the desktop app is rough with the new changes. having to constantly change the view options just to see 'albums'.
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link
xps yeh, restarting does the job
― nxd, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
yep, been happening a lot lately. just restart the app. it's annoying, but a ten second fix at most.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:22 (two years ago) link
death by 1 thousand cuts
― Michael Flatley's (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 16:44 (two years ago) link
THis thing of albums bei9ng listed as a list with the tracklist between lp titles instead of thumbnails is more annoying than before since you used to be able to choose which one you used and now it seems to be doing th choosing and keeps reverting to the track by track thing. So I have to keep hitting the thumbnails option.bloomin bloom
― Stevolende, Saturday, 23 April 2022 11:52 (two years ago) link
Every time I use this garbage app I have to learn new UI navigations
― calstars, Saturday, 23 April 2022 12:34 (two years ago) link
I could never quite make out the words...
https://i.imgur.com/NvzQ7ya.png
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 14 May 2022 07:53 (two years ago) link
Lol.But I came to post that I just got an interesting recommendation for a new release by “John Cale.”
― Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2022 16:30 (two years ago) link
Spotify leavesa lot of data on my phone or at least once my phone has played several podcasts it is taking up a lot of data storage. So I have up til now run ccleaner to get rid of it every day. So I don't run out of space which has happened before. For some reason when I went to check ccleaner to highlight the data storage there is no Spotify visible on the app. So whatever storage is being taken up is presumably just going to continue accumulating. Not sure how you get around that. Do I just reinstall both ccleaner and Spotify or is there anything else i can do.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 11:56 (two years ago) link
You can just go into settings on the Spotify app and select 'Clear Cache'
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 11:59 (two years ago) link
I have many times found it necessary to uninstall and reinstall Spotify to get it to truly delete downloaded music. Hasn't been an issue yet with my current phone so maybe it's somewhat fixed or maybe I just haven't been using it as much.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 12:23 (two years ago) link
unknown to google artist/track claiming to feature PJ Harvey and Bat for Lashes. Hmmmm. https://open.spotify.com/album/5xOAZ1sDrCZjfc320v8JV0?si=DpTyUMOjS3iR6xuktxlMHA
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 15 July 2022 00:36 (two years ago) link
Minor quibble and I guess the algorithms aren't perfect but I listen to The Beths quite a lot yet only found out about their new track from the thread on ILX, rather than through my Release Radar playlist.
― groovypanda, Friday, 15 July 2022 10:32 (two years ago) link
The new “Deerhunter” single in my new release playlist is interesting
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 July 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link
There are a handful of things I miss from Spotify since I switched to Tidal, but not having (so far) any fake bands polluting my "new arrivals" playlist is reason enough to make me very happy with my decision to switch.
― silverfish, Friday, 15 July 2022 15:24 (two years ago) link
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 15 July 2022 16:08 (two years ago) link
This one popped up in my Release Radar: I had to listen to it. Was surprised to find that it was not trap stuff, but kind of an unremarkable home studio produced shoegaze-y pop rock thing. I wonder how/why it got uploaded with these tags.
― beard papa, Friday, 15 July 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link
oops.. https://i.imgur.com/89qZSke.png
― beard papa, Friday, 15 July 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link
i hate that false tag shit. got a new release notification for david axelrod a while back and it turns out it was just some dunce who used a david axelrod sample in a song.
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 15 July 2022 19:57 (two years ago) link
Disappointing it wasn’t a least a speech by the former Obama aide.
― Alba, Saturday, 16 July 2022 12:00 (two years ago) link
heardle doesn't work for me anymore, thanks Spotify
― koogs, Saturday, 16 July 2022 12:21 (two years ago) link
If you makes you guys feel any better, that false tag stuff also happens on Amazon Music – plus the UI totally sucks.
― “Lawman,” Slick (Grunt) (morrisp), Saturday, 16 July 2022 15:21 (two years ago) link
anyone tried https://earth.fm/
― nxd, Sunday, 17 July 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link
i use the queue feature very often and something that i would find extremely useful is a "play last in queue" option. i like to put on three or four albums in a row and sometimes add on to that in the middle, so a "play last" option would be ideal. the way the queue works now is functional, but kind of clunky. anyone have any insights?
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:41 (two years ago) link
I just use playlists for everything. I always have multiple listening plans going, so the one queue isn't useful.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:44 (two years ago) link
I use playlists for organizing albums - feels kind of weird since... well, they're albums. But works fine.
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 10:28 (two years ago) link
It seems like there are a lot of multiple instances of the same album on Spotify as observed only when re-adding a track to a playlist that's already in it and the app failing to detect the duplication (despite only one instance of the album appearing in search results and being navigable to). I'm frequently adding tracks to large playlists, realising later they're already in (same version btw) and then removing them manually.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 11:33 (two years ago) link
I've never head that tbh - always get the 'Already in playlist' message
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 11:38 (two years ago) link
You can drag songs to the top of your queue once they've been added (both on desktop and phone clients) xps
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 11:39 (two years ago) link
It seems like there are a lot of multiple instances of the same album on Spotify
Yeah, there are, see e.g. the albums list near the top of this page from Glenn's site. In most cases, however, it seems that various instances are simply used for different sets of countries, in which case a single given user would rarely add the same track from two different instances of an album.
Actually, I thought cross-instance same-track-ness was (supposed to be) caught by the mechanism – further down on the page, a given track is clearly associated with various releases and instances, so I thought this info might be used for duplicate warnings as well as e.g. for the (very useful) play count harmonization, but a simple test (adding a song from a single and an album) gives no warning, so I guess it isn't.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 August 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link
not important or interesting whatsoever but-
why does the #1 song have so many fewer plays than the ones below it?
https://i.imgur.com/aFyevwp_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
does it have to do with recent trends?
(hope that works. imgur seems to not want anyone to post photos off-site anymore. here's the link in case)
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Friday, 16 September 2022 16:35 (two years ago) link
yeah, it has to be current popularity. Beyonce's entire top ten is from the new album, even though those songs have much lower play counts than her huge hits.
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Friday, 16 September 2022 16:58 (two years ago) link
Yeah, Glenn's addressed this before - ranking is a secret algorithmic sauce, presumably meant to address both current and lifetime popularity. I imagine they want you to quickly see the songs that possibly led you towards that artist, which could be something trending recently as opposed to their biggest catalog classics.
I just wish there were a separate page that just shows you every single track ranked with play count, but I concede that this is a niche use which would used primarily by ILM posters.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 September 2022 20:15 (two years ago) link
I'm glad there isn't, Dr Casino. That would probably depress me.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 16 September 2022 20:31 (two years ago) link
yeah i figured- it just seemed like the gap in that one i posted is *especially* big so i started to wonder. thx everyone for new answers
also would appreciate seeing alltime stats, but simultaneously understand it's a silly thing.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Friday, 16 September 2022 20:50 (two years ago) link
the search bar on desktop version is baccccck!
― Spottie, Friday, 23 September 2022 19:50 (two years ago) link
Spotify's search function sucks. You can't use " to do an exact search, which makes finding some songs with common words in the titles a total pain in the butt.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 23 September 2022 19:52 (two years ago) link
yes but the search being embedded back in the top bar is good
― Spottie, Friday, 23 September 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link
Barry Adamson's 'Oedipus Schmoedipus' LP is listed as from 1993 when it's actually 1995. That's a weird error if it came from the label's own metadata as usually the year of release is given as later when incorrect.
― nashwan, Thursday, 29 September 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
('96 really, promos and the like aside)
― nashwan, Thursday, 29 September 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
Spotify is massively inconsistent with the release years it lists. Some artists will have albums listed by initial release year; others by year of reissue/remaster; and others a combo of both. It can make it pretty hard to track an established artists' career path without external references.
― The Ghost Club, Thursday, 29 September 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
The normalcy of all that was part of nashwan's point as I read it?
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 29 September 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link
All the dates come from the licensors, but this is one of the few bits of album-level metadata that we are allowed to override for manual corrections, instead of having to send the complaints back to the licensors. So I just fixed those Adamson albums. We have four copies of that, two from a former licensor with the correct dates but no streaming availability, and two from a newer licensor with the wrong release-dates despite having 1996 in the copyright info. Sigh.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:29 (two years ago) link
As for exact-match searching, that was the original sole function of what eventually became a slightly more involved research wing of everynoise:
https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=track
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:32 (two years ago) link
The other day I put 86'd by Subcircus on a playlist, when I came round to playing it it was a completely different song. It seems like the track titles on their album Carousel are completely mixed up - the titles match the order shown in discogs but the actual songs are in a completely different order - which matches the tracklist shown by google, I don't know where their information comes from.
― ledge, Friday, 30 September 2022 08:19 (two years ago) link
We got the same wrong tracklists from two different licensors in two different countries for that Subcircus album, so the data was probably mis-entered way back at the dawn of digital time...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 30 September 2022 13:39 (two years ago) link
Thanks for the everynoise link! Really useful.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 19:33 (two years ago) link
Terrible article by someone who can't figure out how to use Spotify: https://www.theverge.com/23380261/spotify-app-podcasts-audiobooks-clutter-music-leverage-complaint
You literally just have to click on Your Library and the Albums tab comes up. Not that difficult...
I do agree that podcasts and audiobooks are unnecessary on a music app though.
― The Ghost Club, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
I think this guy uses Spotify like most people use Netflix—go to,the home page and see what’s featured right now.
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link
They're both guilty of sticking the high-margin items in your face
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:27 (two years ago) link
I hate the podcasts and desperately wish I could block them, but somehow have never even seen an audiobook on there.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 02:53 (two years ago) link
Ah, it's US only, so this new bit of crap is still in my future.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 02:55 (two years ago) link
I hate all the stupid “THRIFTED”, “THRASHERS”, “FRESH EXPERIMENTAL” whatever “curated”playlists they shove in my face on every artist page, it’s like who cares
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 03:03 (two years ago) link
Glen, there are some pretty big mistakes on Golden Palominos tracks in the Spotify catalogue I thought I'd mention to you:
1) Cookout on both versions of the self-titled album and on The Celluloid Collection is actually Darklands from the record, A Dead Horse:
https://open.spotify.com/track/2o1SH4ILklYkxEkpvK8Nnk?si=74033515ec7f4f96
2) On A Dead Horse (the 2001 issue, not the one from 1989) -- Angel of Death and Lucky are listed in the right order but the music is swapped (Lucky is supposed to be the bluesy one, AoD the ethereal tune).
https://open.spotify.com/track/0OSxKSy4OsHsJmQfcjIRpE?si=ecf3b0c808304bce https://open.spotify.com/track/1V58ggzs5vDXNXADuVrPkm?si=205e172cf1ec4bdc
It sounds like Tidal has had some issues with their catalogue as well, so it's not just Spotify. But another ILM user said you might make these changes faster than the official channels -- and since the head of the band passed away last month, you may be getting more traffic than usual to them.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:52 (two years ago) link
Passed along to the right team...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 19:54 (two years ago) link
Even without podcasts/audiobooks cluttering the place the library is pretty much useless if you're an album person and you have a large collection. I don't get why it's so hard to have an album library similar to the ones music players on computers have. Hell I can create albums folders on Desktop/web Spotify so why not on the app?
― Dinsdale, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 20:17 (two years ago) link
Thanks, glenN.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 20:32 (two years ago) link
Thanks so much for that BA fix Glenn - really appreciate these
― nashwan, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 20:33 (two years ago) link
Did Spotify get rid of the ability to add albums to a playlist? On the app the option no longer shows up for me. I see some people on Twitter reporting the same.
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:00 (two years ago) link
still works for me
― Brad C., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:07 (two years ago) link
Hey there! We'll let the team know you'd like to see that feature return in the future. Let us know if there's anything else.— SpotifyCares (@SpotifyCares) October 12, 2022
Seemed like it was actually removed in the new update. Terrible decision.
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link
Seems
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:19 (two years ago) link
Yikes, I use that feature all the time. Every year I create a playlist for newly-released albums, adding them as they come out and listening whenever I have time. Dipping into that playlist probably accounts for 30-50% of my Spotify use.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link
on what version of the app are you seeing this? doesn't really make sense that this would be disabled altogether. so far I'm not seeing it on the android version, the windows version, or the browser version.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link
iPhone app
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
The twitter and support threads don't ever know moment to moment what the product managers are testing in the app. So you can report a change to twitter or support and they will not have any idea if what you are seeing is a bug, or an A/B test, or a new feature change for all users. They will just say "try reinstalling the app, and we'll let the team know about your experience, thank you for your feedback." There are too many product teams testing changes on the 3 major platforms (web, iOS, android) and sundry minor platforms (alexa/echo, car integrations, etc).
Adding albums to playlists still works for me so it's probably an A/B test or a bug.
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:50 (two years ago) link
Aimee Mann currently singing her way through a song called 'Nothing is good enough - Instrumental'.
― ledge, Thursday, 13 October 2022 11:11 (two years ago) link
This is a pretty old one but for the remix release of The Juan Maclean's 'Feel Like Movin' the Leon Vynehall remix (6:30) and the radio edit (4:09) remain the wrong way around
― nashwan, Thursday, 13 October 2022 11:25 (two years ago) link
I did an epic 10-hour Spotify clean-up yesterday and can confirm the 'add album to playlist' feature still exists. I have the most recent updates of the iOS and Windows apps, and it's avail on both.
I just discovered the playlist folders feature. It's an organisational godsend. Really handy for sorting different types of playlists (albums by genre, new stuff, mixes by you, mixes by others etc.)
With folders, I feel like I'm on top of my Spotify for the first time in years.
Also discovered that almost everything I liked in 2014 is terrible.
― The Ghost Club, Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:49 (two years ago) link
hmm, well I'm glad this isn't an official feature. I wish they would bring back the ability to add albums to playlists for me though.
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
I just discovered the playlist folders feature
― death generator (lukas), Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link
I've been happily using folders for years but I can report that I can no longer add albums to playlists on the iOS app - it's "Add to your Library" or nothing.
― Alba, Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:51 (two years ago) link
And yes, I have the latest version, v8.7.68
― Alba, Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:52 (two years ago) link
This is from the help forum:
Hey everyone,
Thank you for your inputs so far.
Our tech folks have confirmed that this is part of an ongoing test we're currently running for some users. Feel free to check out this thread where you can share your feedback on the change and let us know how you think the feature can be improved.
uh, wtf?
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:57 (two years ago) link
folders are great, but I'm still salty that you can't play an entire folder in the mobile app. there is a workaround for this which is to start playback in the desktop app and then shift playback to your mobile device, but that's a pain in the butt.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link
just to be clear, folder playback was a feature that was originally in the mobile app and then taken away
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link
Shuffling giant playlists always seems like a good idea for about the first 10 minutes and then feels increasingly like a black hole.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:16 (two years ago) link
I enjoy it, the bigger the better
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
If you want to jazz up your listening of giant playlists, I recommend http://sortyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com/. It lets you sort playlists by various criteria then save the new order as fresh playlist. My favourite one is 'energy', so you start with the quiet stuff and end on a party. Tip: with really long playlists, make sure the whole thing has loaded first before clicking on one of the column titles - otherwise it won't let you save the new playlist.
― Alba, Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
I just discovered the playlist folders featureWHAT
Not sure why it's surprising that someone would primarily use the mobile app?
― The Ghost Club, Thursday, 13 October 2022 22:21 (two years ago) link
Playlists full of albums have always felt a little unwieldy for me, so on playlists that I'm using to keep track of albums, I just put in a single song from each album as its representative. I figure I can always click over to the full album when I want to listen to it.
― jaymc, Friday, 14 October 2022 13:15 (two years ago) link
I don't know why I never thought of that. Genius!
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 14 October 2022 13:30 (two years ago) link
I don't know if it's a bug or if that's just the way Spotify handles multi-artists releases but I was looking for an album made by Colin Stetson, Elliott Sharp, Billy Martin and Payton MacDonald called "Void Patrol", and I couldn't see it anywhere on Colin Stetson's discography page so I figured it just wasn't there. But then I looked for "Void Patrol" and I found it. All four artits are listed on the release and you can click on them, but it doesn't show up on any of the artists' pages.
― Dinsdale, Friday, 14 October 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link
Looks like that Void Patrol album is credited to "Void Patrol" at the album level. The individual artists only appear in the track credits, which means it shows up in their "Appears On" sections, rather than in their main discographies.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 October 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link
My bad, that's correct. I did look at the "Appears On" section but only the first few releaese that appear on the artist's page, assuming it would be listed with the most recent first.
― Dinsdale, Saturday, 15 October 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link
They're sorted by popularity. (They used to be sorted by date, but some labels started spamming tons of pointless re-compilations of existing songs to take advantage of that, so we had to change it.)
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 16 October 2022 00:44 (two years ago) link
― Spottie, Friday, September 23, 2022 12:50 PM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
but the search being embedded back in the top bar is good
― Spottie, Friday, September 23, 2022 1:11 PM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
and just like that.. its been removed again. idgi
― Spottie, Monday, 17 October 2022 06:40 (two years ago) link
Unless it’s different to last time it’s just an aesthetic change that makes no difference to the number of clicks though. As soon as you click on search it gets the focus and you can start typing your search term, just like when the bar was always visible. I suppose it’s a smaller target but there’s always the keyboard shortcut.
― Alba, Monday, 17 October 2022 06:48 (two years ago) link
Always an interesting UX psyche study - does the search field being always visible mean people use it more?
― nashwan, Monday, 17 October 2022 10:28 (two years ago) link
I’m sure it does. Which in turn creates an interesting philosophical question: if you’re being nudged into not using a feature but still the retain the ability to use it with no significant difference in ease, do you still have a legitimate grievance?
― Alba, Monday, 17 October 2022 10:41 (two years ago) link
I was wondering - is it correct to say that streaming payouts are a zero sum game? If, hypothetically, all current users doubled their listening so all artists doubled their streams - this would not yield higher payouts?
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 17 October 2022 10:55 (two years ago) link
Right, the current standard royalty model for music streaming services is based on percentages of revenue, so doubling all listening on a given platform would not change the payment results.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 17 October 2022 15:25 (two years ago) link
Although if the total listener numbers doubled, presumably the ads would cost more to buy, so there would be more revenue to split.
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 17 October 2022 16:43 (two years ago) link
― Alba, Monday, October 17, 2022 3:41 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
its a smaller target with other clickable things around it. much easier when its just up there by itself. why add it back after two years then delete again so soon?
― Spottie, Monday, 17 October 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link
They should have stopped "improving" the app years ago - the best thing ever on Spotify was the Blue Note app.
― sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I miss that
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
xp thanks, makes sense
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 06:14 (two years ago) link
i hate it when mummy and daddy fighthttps://www.timetoplayfair.com/audiobooks/
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:12 (two years ago) link
Glen, there are some pretty big mistakes on Golden Palominos tracks in the Spotify catalogue I thought I'd mention to you:1) Cookout on both versions of the self-titled album and on The Celluloid Collection is actually Darklands from the record, A Dead Horse: https://open.spotify.com/track/2o1SH4ILklYkxEkpvK8Nnk?si=74033515ec7f4f96🕸2) On A Dead Horse (the 2001 issue, not the one from 1989) -- Angel of Death and Lucky are listed in the right order but the music is swapped (Lucky is supposed to be the bluesy one, AoD the ethereal tune). https://open.spotify.com/track/0OSxKSy4OsHsJmQfcjIRpE?si=ecf3b0c808304bce🕸 https://open.spotify.com/track/1V58ggzs5vDXNXADuVrPkm?si=205e172cf1ec4bdc🕸 It sounds like Tidal has had some issues with their catalogue as well, so it's not just Spotify. But another ILM user said you might make these changes faster than the official channels -- and since the head of the band passed away last month, you may be getting more traffic than usual to them.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:20 (two years ago) link
Another long-standing error is Lady Leshurr being co-credited on Orbital's 'Blue' album - presumably some knock-on accident from tagging her on 'Wonky' title track?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 13:54 (two years ago) link
Just logged in to Spotify for the first time in a while and the fake collaborator songs seem to be even more common (except it's moved from fake Madonna collabs to fake, uh, Snail Mail?). Do the tagged collaborators actually get a piece of the streaming royalties?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 4 November 2022 18:20 (two years ago) link
I was fooled by that today. Got a collab between Pan-American and Brian McBride (aka one of the guys in Stars of the Lid).
It was so specific, so esoteric, and so plausible, I was truly excited. My only red flag was that the track was only a little over a minute long which seems impossible for either of these artists. That was actually less believable than the beat-driven electronic sound.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 4 November 2022 21:28 (two years ago) link
Like who is going to the trouble to impersonate the less prolific half of SotL??
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 4 November 2022 21:29 (two years ago) link
haha that "pan-american" track was also in my release radar, not even an imitation
― corrs unplugged, Sunday, 6 November 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
the “radio” you get after playing “holy thursday” by david axelrod is siiiiick
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:53 (two years ago) link
Here's a feature I'd like/think would be useful: I've got so many playlists by now that I'd like to be able to click on a song and see which (if any) of my playlists said song features. I'm prepared for this to be a stupid idea and completely impossible technically, but does anyone else agree it'd be useful?
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 24 November 2022 21:13 (two years ago) link
Definitely not impossible technically or even that difficult - using the developer API, it's really easy to search a user's playlists for a specific song. but would probably be too clunky and not useful enough to add to Spotify itself. Wondering if I have the time to knock out a quick app to do it...
― Vinnie, Thursday, 24 November 2022 22:47 (two years ago) link
I'd use it!
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 25 November 2022 08:00 (two years ago) link
Me too. iTunes has had that function (from right-click options) since I can remember and it’s always slightly bugged me that Spotify doesn’t.
― Alba, Friday, 25 November 2022 09:01 (two years ago) link
They're still cycling through different design features that detract from the way things work comfortably. I thought they'd tried several of these a year or so ago.Wish I could set a number of favourite podcasts that would appear on the home page. & the amount of recommendations. They just reduced each of those to a handful.
― Stevolende, Friday, 25 November 2022 10:25 (two years ago) link
I have it on good authority that I had Charli XCX's "Constant Repeat" on constant repeat this year.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link
Is spotify down?
― formerly abanana (dat), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:51 (two years ago) link
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, November 24, 2022 3:13 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Not quite the same but reminds me of how Letterboxd lets you see Lists that a given film is on. You could imagine this having a filter for your playlists/public playlists.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:55 (two years ago) link
My Spotify Wrapped is broken
Crashes out of it every time after the 4th slide (total hours listened) :(
― groovypanda, Thursday, 1 December 2022 07:54 (two years ago) link
Voidgaze.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 1 December 2022 07:57 (two years ago) link
well i just had the unfortunate discovery that my spouse's favorite spotify artist of the year was Kanye...
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 1 December 2022 07:58 (two years ago) link
in their possible defense, they may have fallen asleep while having a track (or album or playlist) on a loop. it’s what accounted for my alleged number 1 and 2 songs of the year
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 1 December 2022 08:07 (two years ago) link
Posting "wow pretty problematic" under every single person's Spotify wrapped and then responding "it's not my job to educate you" when they ask what I mean by that.— Rob Cassidy (@Cassidy_Rob) November 30, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:46 (two years ago) link
fwiw I can't seem to find my actual Wrapped summary. It gives me a playlist of most-played songs, but nothing else, no slide show. Is it hiding somewhere?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:47 (two years ago) link
yeah my son ran into this!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:49 (two years ago) link
Same although I'm not too bothered as according to the playlist I only seriously engaged with three albums last year :/
Oh just had a banner pop up in the desktop app saying it's only available in the mobile app.
― ledge, Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:56 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I get the same in the mobile app. Not that it matters, I know what I listened to this year anyway. But if yr gonna promise a personalized doodad, you should deliver.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:57 (two years ago) link
Wow, my Your Missed Hits list is some hot garbage. I think there's a reason these hits were missed.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:28 (two years ago) link
yeah mine weren't even "bad" - just very aggressively MEH.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:47 (two years ago) link
I did Missed Hits, but not by personally picking songs, so I'm not offended if you don't like yours. I wouldn't have put "Hits" in the title if the presentation had been up to me, though.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 1 December 2022 18:04 (two years ago) link
can't find mine (found my 2020 one, it's decent)
my top song of 2022 is "So What" I feel very basic
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:55 (two years ago) link
half of my “missed hits” were tracks I had actually played before
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:55 (two years ago) link
cd glitches on spotify tracks: classic or dud?
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Monday, 2 January 2023 00:12 (one year ago) link
Examples?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 2 January 2023 02:32 (one year ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/3ZMCUPFDLNjp2Qe692P4V6?si=b4XZ9ZX_Qq-k-GtpQpOqvA&utm_source=copy-link
https://open.spotify.com/track/1C6gelQEXVVnfVJceRTm5T?si=Ue3cKXUWS56Df-8VmhVcaQ&utm_source=copy-link
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Monday, 2 January 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link
(hoping this image works...)
https://i.imgur.com/AeqYA3k_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
why are the majority of artist bios like this? they just cut off.
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 02:11 (one year ago) link
Unless an artist contributes their own bio to Spotify, it's pulled from AllMusic. But presumably there is a character limit.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 02:31 (one year ago) link
If you touch the ellipsis at the end, the rest of the bio should come up.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 02:55 (one year ago) link
thank you, i thought that too but either i have impossible fat guy fingers or something's off because it doesn't expand.
it's not a super huge discrepancy. just... kind of disappointing the lack of accessible info/credits ob the platform.
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 03:12 (one year ago) link
ob
okay nvm, it's definitely my stubby fingers.
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link
Another unintentionally glitchy album: Doris Monteiro (1974).
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 5 January 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link
Been having a new problem during the past week. I'll be listening to a full album and then the app jumps to a song that's not in the album, but maybe Spotify thinks is similar.
For instance, last night I was listening to Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia. After the song Pretty Please, it segued into Miley Cyrus (feat. Dua Lipa) song Prisoner. This song is featured on an expanded edition of Future Nostalgia (not the version I was listening to), but the one I got had the art for the Miley Cyrus album.
Then this morning, I put on Pink Floyd's Animals. After Pigs on the Wing (Part One), Spotify shifted to Strange Brew by Cream, a song that I can guarantee I've never listened to on the app.
This has happened one or two other times in the past week. Has anyone else experienced it? I'm wondering if there's a setting or something that I need to toggle.
― peace, man, Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:30 (one year ago) link
there's the autoplay thing? first thing I turn off
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:40 (one year ago) link
So it looks like Autoplay was turned on somehow (I didn't do it). Hopefully, that will solve it. In the past when I've had autoplay turned on, it would wait until the end of an album to start spewing recommendations at me. That was bad, but in these cases, it has changed to recommendations in the middle of albums, and I'm wondering if they can be brought before The Hague over this.
― peace, man, Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link
spotify is CONSTANTLY turning autoplay back on. very naughty stat juicing
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:59 (one year ago) link
Aren't they better off the less you play? Like a gym.Haven't had this issue... across Android, Windows, and Linux
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 January 2023 13:01 (one year ago) link
lol I was listening to... To Pimp A Butterfly i think? and out of nowhere, like halfway through the album, it plays me the Staple Singers' "Respect Yourself". and then just slips back into the album. okay. I mean.. it's a great song. But for a few seconds I was like man, I don't remember Kendrick sampling this!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 January 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
Queued up by you previously? Or someone else is also on the account. Really weird
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 January 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link
Tracer - glad to hear I'm not the only one. It's very jarring.
In my case, I'm the only user of this login.
― peace, man, Thursday, 19 January 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link
would be logging into the website and checking "devices" and whatnot
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 January 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link
I’m on a family plan, everybody has their own accounts. It’s only happened once to me, and it was last week.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 January 2023 14:32 (one year ago) link
Sorry if this has been asked before (I searched but there are lots of iterations of what I'm asking) but is there any way to see who has Liked your playlist, and if not, why not/is this something that's in development?
― Indexed, Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
Dream feature list: a "donate" button on every track/album/artist that would allow me to charge my card and directly contribute $x to an artist
― Indexed, Thursday, 19 January 2023 20:35 (one year ago) link
Little Pitcher, Big Wallet: Eight Year Old Maxs Out Parent's Credit Card with Donations to Lil Yachty"It was for the lolz," naughty kiddo says
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 January 2023 23:27 (one year ago) link
I believe the donate button already exists, artists have to set it up themselves https://artists.spotify.com/en/help/article/fan-support
vice did an article a while ago https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7qqw3/spotify-tip-jar-donations-fair-pay-royalties-musicians
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 20 January 2023 08:16 (one year ago) link
No way! That's awesome...but I can't actually find how to donate to any of the artists named in that article? Anyone know where this is hidden?
Also hope this does not affect anyone here:https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/23/spotify-to-cut-6percent-of-its-workforce-as-tech-layoffs-continue.html
― Indexed, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
oh maybe it was a covid-19 thing only? weirdseemed like a decent idea
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 07:50 (one year ago) link
When I listen to The Clientele a "donate directly to the artist" button pops up. I bung a fiver to them every now and then - although it's actually a PayPal account in the name of Alasdair MacLean so I guess he's the only one who gets the money!
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 08:15 (one year ago) link
Removing the like/heart button is a weird UI change
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link
They just changed it to +
― what have I done to deserve you (lukas), Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:02 (one year ago) link
i feel like that's what it used to be!
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 February 2023 06:44 (one year ago) link
all apps should replace the heart icon with a + or thumbs up. I do not love this random song by an Australian band that sounds like Imperial Teen, I like it okay but would mostly just like to flag it so I can look up their other stuff.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 6 February 2023 06:50 (one year ago) link
Anyone noticed spotify on iphone is taking time to load?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 12 February 2023 08:57 (one year ago) link
just noticed that on Wild Orchid’s same titled debut album from 1996 half of the tracks have some combination of songwriter(s) and producer(s) as the performing artist, instead of Wild Orchid itself.(Wild Orchid, for reference, are the pop r&b girl group Fergie was in before she became a Black Eyed Pea - yes, I’m reading Tom Breihan’s Number Ones column on “London Bridge”)
― i saw mommy kissing twink henry kissinger (breastcrawl), Monday, 13 February 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
Also, fucking YIKES pic.twitter.com/o4H3JtrJ6m— Katie Notopoulos (@katienotopoulos) February 13, 2023
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
I hate that the latest update for mobile doesn’t seem to allow you to search for other people’s profiles. Is there a workaround this?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link
damn, gross company xp
― omar little, Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link
Oh wait it’s there, forget about it. You have to press enter in the search form for the “bubble autocomplete” to disappear.
I don’t like the autocomplete function… it makes it harder not easier for me.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:15 (one year ago) link
In my Discover Weekly today: a track called "Coyote" by Urbxnxd, with generic artwork. It's the Joni Mitchell track from Heijra (which of course is not on this streaming service, along with most of her catalog). Nearly 10 million plays. Posted Feb 11, by "Retain Music Entertainment". Might want to look into that :)
― Michael Jones, Monday, 20 February 2023 11:06 (one year ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 February 2023 12:04 (one year ago) link
"circle game" too. same artist.
― up and down. SO FAST! stay together.💙 (Austin), Monday, 20 February 2023 12:23 (one year ago) link
Not as popular as "their version" (i.e. rip and upload) of My Chemical Romance's "Dead", which has 139m plays. "Verified artist" too!
― Michael Jones, Monday, 20 February 2023 12:31 (one year ago) link
The algorithm is recognising that it's the same track - if you look on the My Chemical Romance page the play count is also 139m for Dead. So who knows how much Urbxnd has actually made off the scam, but not as much as that!
― Alba, Monday, 20 February 2023 12:44 (one year ago) link
Leopantforte is another one of these. A rip of Case of You.
If you go to the Spotify Artists page for Joni Mitchell, it shows "covers" by these artists. Leopantforte does a mean Nancy & Lee too.
Not entirely sure what's happened here - like a sort of cybersquatting. I assume this is nothing new, and Spotify are on the case.I've had tracks with <100 plays pushed to my Release Radar before by artists called "Beck" or "Gas", but nothing quite like this.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 20 February 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
Just the other day, on a different service, I came across several random tracks titled "Mariah the Scientist," which come up when you search that artist's stuff (she seems to be a particular target for "spoofing," not sure why)
― unknown blues singer (morrisp), Monday, 20 February 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
Leopanforte, sorry.
And... also I notice that Circle Game, Coyote, Big Yellow Taxi, Both Sides Now and Case of You are about the only JM tracks that are actually available from their parent albums (everything else greyed out), and those are the songs that are being re-appropriated under these dummy artist accounts. So they are there for real, just also under a fake name.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 20 February 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
No, it's worse than that: the bootleg uploads are why they show up as available on their parent albums. I've reported these internally. People suck.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 20 February 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link
Oh wow. So is the scam that the bootlegger gets the stream count if people search for BYT by Joni and then play it?
― groovypanda, Monday, 20 February 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link
If someone were to upload a bootleg of an album that has never been on Spotify, are there any automatic checks on the file to stop it? Like, I know Shazam's database covers more than Spotify's catalogue but is there some industry-standard rights management system that identifies copyrighted work?
― Alba, Monday, 20 February 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
Glenn I was wondering... could one say something about what the most albumey album on Spotify is by looking at what albums have songs with the most even distribution of plays (which would indicate they are listened to back-to-back)? Or maybe albums with the closest relation between plays of first and final track?
Looking at Dark Side of the Moon (an albumey album if ever there was one) it seems like the album was started 78 million times (although some of those Speak To Me plays could obv come from playlists/shuffle) but only 22 million made it to the grand finale of "Eclipse" ;_;
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 08:50 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it's a sensible idea about albums that get played all the way through. It gets messy to calculate, in some cases, due to Deluxe Editions adding bonus tracks that aren't always easy to identify as non-original from the metadata (but the fans know). I do a variant on that kind of idea for my yearly Album Populism chart, which is underway for 2023 here:
https://everynoise.com/tview.cgi?source=album_populism_2023
I basically try to weight an album's popularity by how far through it listeners tend to get...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
so sorry to be like a jocky guy but there was this nfl football fan meme a few years back where they telling the teams to RUN THE DAMN BALL and i wanted to start a music one that was PLAY THE DAMN ALBUM.
a real thing that i've wondered about— how does it figure which album it directs the listener to from the artist's top 5? like on bob dylan, for example. one his top 5 is "like a rolling stone" and it directs you to highway 61 revisited. but what about all the people who listen to that song from bob dylan's greatest hits? do those count towards the overall total or do does that song have two sets of data, one for each release? i've also noticed that sometimes it will direct to a compilation from the top 5, even when the proper album (including that song) is available. the answers to these questions are quite tedious so i understand if.. well, you know.
― up and down. SO FAST! stay together.💙 (Austin), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 22:00 (one year ago) link
congratulations you've entered the first circle of the hell that is pop music metadata. i think glenn has probably visited all of them.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 22:17 (one year ago) link
― up and down. SO FAST! stay together.💙 (Austin), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
used to live there, then made a deal with the devil to ferry other people across(I swear I don't intend that as mean as it sounds)
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 23:11 (one year ago) link
those count towards the overall total or do does that song have two sets of data, one for each release?
― Alba, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 06:39 (one year ago) link
xp thanks glenn, that's cool!
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 08:57 (one year ago) link
One thing really bugging me still is in the Friend Activity panel if you see they're listening to their 'Your Top Songs 2022' playlist if you click on that you get yours rather than theirs. I actually kinda hope that's a bug because surely people wanna see each others versions of this playlist?
― nashwan, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
I imagine that's a privacy thing
― Alba, Thursday, 23 February 2023 01:03 (one year ago) link
Alba's explanation of aggregation by recording is correct. Liked Songs ought to do the same thing, in principle, but didn't originally and it apparently hasn't been a high enough priority to fix yet.
The single magic link to everybody's own Your Top Songs playlist is partly a feature, partly a technical shortcut. It turns out to be way easier to have just one link than one for each person...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:08 (one year ago) link
Time for me to turn off auto app updates, I think
Spotify is redesigning its app to create a TikTok-like feed.Here’s why it will go down as one the biggest new product announcements this year:— Turner Novak 🍌🧢 (@TurnerNovak) February 24, 2023
― Alba, Monday, 27 February 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link
"Rudy Van Gelder Edition / 2007 DIGITAL REMASTER" appearing at the end of every song title: c/d?
― up and down. SO FAST! stay together.💙 (Austin), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 14:05 (one year ago) link
xp further evidence if it were needed that they are not a music company.
― ledge, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Well this sounds like hell
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 00:28 (one year ago) link
Terrible, no thank you
― omar little, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 00:34 (one year ago) link
There better be some way to turn this shit off.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 00:57 (one year ago) link
Not sure it will make any difference to me. Don't think I've ever scrolled down my home page before and the top part looks like it'll be the same as it is now
This is my Home screen now: pic.twitter.com/MQvGiEApKg— Charles Osborne (@charlieosborne) February 26, 2023
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 07:24 (one year ago) link
And its spent the past few years expanding beyond music into podcasts, audiobooks, live streams, and even video on some podcasts.Spotify is now a full-on media platform.
Spotify is now a full-on media platform.
Yeah, they expanded into a shittier version of each of those things than previously existed, while making the app more of a hassle to use to listen to music.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 07:38 (one year ago) link
― Alba, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link
Been having a new problem during the past week. I'll be listening to a full album and then the app jumps to a song that's not in the album, but maybe Spotify thinks is similar.For instance, last night I was listening to Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia. After the song Pretty Please, it segued into Miley Cyrus (feat. Dua Lipa) song Prisoner. This song is featured on an expanded edition of Future Nostalgia (not the version I was listening to), but the one I got had the art for the Miley Cyrus album.Then this morning, I put on Pink Floyd's Animals. After Pigs on the Wing (Part One), Spotify shifted to Strange Brew by Cream, a song that I can guarantee I've never listened to on the app.This has happened one or two other times in the past week. Has anyone else experienced it? I'm wondering if there's a setting or something that I need to toggle.― peace, man, Thursday, January 19, 2023 7:30 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
― peace, man, Thursday, January 19, 2023 7:30 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
Just turned on a Ladysmith Black Mambazo album and after the first song it took me to the Rolling Stones' You Gotta Move off Sticky Fingers!
― peace, man, Saturday, 4 March 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link
Autoplay is not on, but I did listen to about 50% of Sway a few hours ago. Still, not what I wantes at the moment, Spotify!
― peace, man, Saturday, 4 March 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
algorithm pea brain probably went Ladysmith Black whatever >> Brown Sugar >> other Sticky Fingers track
― let us now celebrate ama ‘piano’ smith & the clowns (breastcrawl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link
Could you maybe have stuff in your queue?
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 4 March 2023 13:19 (one year ago) link
I haven't ever had that happen to me unless I had tracks queued
― c u (crüt), Saturday, 4 March 2023 13:22 (one year ago) link
I don't even know what a queue is, in spotify terms.
― peace, man, Saturday, 4 March 2023 14:04 (one year ago) link
Like, I get the concept, but I've never used it before. Maybe if I managed to somehow pocket-queue the song? Seems like a reach though, because I've never pocket-activated any of the other features on that menu "i.e. Hide This Song, Add to Playlist, Sleep Timer, etc"
― peace, man, Saturday, 4 March 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link
the "random song playing" glitch happened to me a few times several weeks back, but only when listening on my smartphone. seems like whatever was in the next update a few days later fixed it.
i otoh am a queue obsessive and have many suggestions on how to make it a lot better☺
(seriously, you guys don't use it?! it's rad! you drop in whatever you want then you're good for a few hours.)
― .here to stay like racism. (Austin), Saturday, 4 March 2023 15:11 (one year ago) link
Use queue all the time. Definitely one of the features I couldn't live without.
― groovypanda, Saturday, 4 March 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link
well, yeah
― let us now celebrate ama ‘piano’ smith & the clowns (breastcrawl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link
I don’t know how you could not use the queue.
― Wile E. Galore (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link
I basically use playlists instead of the queue...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link
me too, use the queue mostly when hanging out with people who all want to play songs
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link
I often will put a huge playlist on shuffle then scroll through the queue and bump up anything I'm particularly excited about to next up.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:44 (one year ago) link
Hey hey hey you're listening to HITLER RADIO [sound effect of a sieg heil, stuka dive, air raid siren, and explosion] where we're playing ALL the Reich's favorite hits ALL DAY LOOOOOOONG[Imagine Dragons - Radioactive starts playing] https://t.co/wExe0JTQ2Y— the prince with a thousand enemies ♂️ (@jaketropolis) March 2, 2023
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:13 (one year ago) link
(It wasn't actually a playlist, it was just the automatic artist-radio for an "artist" that was some historical albums of WWII music...)
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:19 (one year ago) link
Das Führer Weekly
― Alba, Saturday, 4 March 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link
Finally, a change I can get behind: the new improved Add to Playlist.
― Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 March 2023 07:25 (one year ago) link
Ooh, what's this?
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 9 March 2023 08:33 (one year ago) link
update on discovery mode, which lets artists accept a lower royalty rate for an algorithmic push. joe says in the first month, listeners save songs 50% more often and follow an artist 37% more often when the mode is used— Ashley Carman (@ashleyrcarman) March 8, 2023
excellent news for consumers
― z_tbd, Thursday, 9 March 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
Sad lol. Maybe I'll actually try it, since Spotify royalties are effectively $0 anyway.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 March 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
can you switch back once you get those listeners locked in?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 9 March 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link
I don't like or defend Discovery Mode, but yes, as an artist you can opt into and out of it.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 9 March 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
― Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 March 2023 12:31 (one year ago) link
Last night the app offered an alternative shuffle mode that I guess throws in suggested tracks as well, no thanks
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 10 March 2023 13:10 (one year ago) link
There's an 'enhanced' button that does that. I use it on some of my genre playlists and it'll throw up some cool tracks I may not have heard.
― groovypanda, Friday, 10 March 2023 13:15 (one year ago) link
So instead of one swipe it’s now multiple actions to ‘add a song to the liked playlist.’
Gotta get those app engagement numbers up?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 11 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
pro: you can add a track to several playlists simultaneously (which comes in handy for me, I do a lot of that)con (and it’s a big one): you can longer add duplicates to a playlist (this really fucks with my playlisting methods, because I do a lot of that)
― at bottom, wrapping my arms around some tripe called "Quest" (breastcrawl), Saturday, 11 March 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link
It’s only one action to add to the liked playlist. Then once it’s in the liked playlist, or any playlist, then you can click again to add to or remove from others.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 20:54 (one year ago) link
That’s if you use the plus, otherwise you can use the three dots and then add to playlist.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link
how many slurp juices to convert your heart into a plus
― least said, sergio mendes (sic), Saturday, 11 March 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link
but please remember to never leave the house without your laptop if you’re thinking of adding duplicates, kids!
― at bottom, wrapping my arms around some tripe called "Quest" (breastcrawl), Saturday, 11 March 2023 21:09 (one year ago) link
I just created a playlist in Spotify (for sharing / to duplicate one I made in the service I actually use), and was impressed at how easy it is... you can type directly in a dedicated search box to add songs, etc.
― reluctant antonoff appreciator (morrisp), Saturday, 11 March 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link
Used to be that in the list of songs in Release Radar or something I'd swipe left and it would have a green heart and the song is saved to my likes.
Now I swipe and it pops up with another menu asking me to add it to a playlist (or multiple) and I have to tap done to make that screen go away. There also isn't a visible heart on the list of songs in a mix so I don't know if I've already liked it or not.
This seems designed entirely to make you look at the full screen view of a song (where there's the plus sign) so you can get the full Spotify-becomes-TikTok experience. I'm not looking at my stupid phone when I listen to music, I'm walking or riding in a car or working on a computer.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 12 March 2023 02:35 (one year ago) link
The visible indicator should be back shortly, at least.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 March 2023 14:56 (one year ago) link
is there a way to look at longer song titles immediately?
so many things these days have such long titles and then you factor in bonus tracks/remixes with "extra info" that gets added to the title. so sometimes i won't know what i'm listening to and i want to see the song title because that's where the pertinent info is. i just want to see who the remixer was or who the featured guest vocalist is and it's at a point where that info is only in the song title. i look at my phone (or ipod, whatever i'm using atm) and it will sometimes take a full 15 or 20 seconds for the proper song information to display, as it's on a "scrolling marquee" for those longer titles. it's reached a point for some deluxe editions and singles with multiple remixes of the same song where i just give up and go look at the full info on discogs. it wouldn't be such a discrepancy if i could just click on song credits and have it all be there, but that info is notoriously incomplete on spotify.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Sunday, 12 March 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link
holy hell, that post makes no sense. the crux is: i want more easily accessible and fully detailed credits, dammit.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Sunday, 12 March 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
one more sunday morning gripe—the new "add to playlist" implementation has broken the ability to add offline or local files to playlists. as of now, i have to "like" the song, "add it to my library", go to the playlist i want to add it to, click the add songs button, and then browse to the local file. i used to be able to just click the three dots next to the song and "add to playlist." i know spotify doesn't give a fuck about offline files, but c'mon. it's objectively worse and a frustrating downgrade.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Sunday, 12 March 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
hmm, the ... method still works for me on iOS, at least.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 12 March 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
yeah, sorry to come off like a jerk but it's doing it on both of my main devices and i use offline files a lot, so it's pure frustration. it seems like the ones that were already there on various playlists are grandfathered in. and it still works the way i outlined, just huh. it's doing it on both my ipod (ios) and smartphone (android) and seems to have started either with the new "add playlist" implementation or immediately after. as it stands now, when i hit the three dots ("song menu") the only option i have for offline files is "add to queue" (and it will play the track just fine if i choose that, so it knows those offline files are there). just... i can still do it technically. with a lot more unnecessary steps though.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Sunday, 12 March 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
was reminiscing with my partner about watching mtv as a kid in the 90s, watching the videos flow for hours in hope of your favorite video coming on
or listening to the radio at night with the cassette deck ready to record if that great new single came on
and now it's at my fingertips any time I want
unbelievable
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 13 March 2023 08:51 (one year ago) link
I miss those days
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 13 March 2023 10:26 (one year ago) link
Maybe the real treasure was the cassette recording we did along the way
― Alba, Monday, 13 March 2023 10:38 (one year ago) link
kids today will never understand the sublime annoyance of having to not being able to edit out Casey Kasem's voice from the opening of "Safety Dance"
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 13 March 2023 15:14 (one year ago) link
sure, guys.another thing with this new version is that it takes ages to load (several minutes in some cases) - something I’ve seen people complain about through the years, but which had never happened to me before
― at bottom, wrapping my arms around some tripe called "Quest" (breastcrawl), Monday, 13 March 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
yeah very long load times on mobile now
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Monday, 13 March 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I had some load-time issues, too, and they should get better shortly...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 13 March 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
Once again sparing you all my Spotify doomsaying and confining it to Thread For Chatter About The Streaming Music Economy
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 13 March 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
Yeah, the app just opens into blackness for ages before finally getting its shit together.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 13 March 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
wow the whole app has gone completely buggy over the past couple hours.
on iOS there's something called DJ where the queue button used to be and, as of now, it's an error generating button. the queue button on my android is now a generic "share" icon.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Tuesday, 14 March 2023 05:21 (one year ago) link
IT'S TALKING TO ME NOW?
okay. i'll stop using spotify jfc.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Tuesday, 14 March 2023 07:15 (one year ago) link
It only talks to you if you ask it to, dude.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link
It's always listening, though. Like a good friend
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
(It only listens if you ask it to, too...)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link
i pressed the button that i thought was the queue. it started talking.
everything's gone now and the queue is back to normal across the board. no "DJ" anyway. "add to playlist" has returned for local files on android only.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Tuesday, 14 March 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
anyway=anywhere
Kind of interesting, from a business perspective, how they got snaked on HiFi audio (and still haven’t launched it).
― chemtrails over the turkey club (morrisp), Thursday, 16 March 2023 00:23 (one year ago) link
I got the new mobile version with an update today. Haha - it's laughably shit. Huge videos on the home screen for 'new' playlists or albums I might like, that autoplay as you scroll down. And no way to turn them off as yet. Utter wank.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
They're probably waiting to offer Joe Rogan in quadrophonic.
― can i play with march madness? (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 22:14 (one year ago) link
The mobile version is utter shit now, nearly unusable.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link
There are other options.
― can i play with march madness? (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 23:06 (one year ago) link
Spotify sent me an e-mail about this new release and I can't imagine what I've listened to that's even remotely similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zcM9ziaNOg
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 04:43 (one year ago) link
I got the same email and wondered the same thing. I'm guessing these guys have a ton of promotional cash out there to push this to as many people as possible.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 05:16 (one year ago) link
Also took the chance to unsubscribe to marketing e-mails I certainly never asked for and probably should have flagged as spam on Gmail.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 05:57 (one year ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/4/23670193/spotify-live-shut-down-obamas-audible-amazon-jay-shetty-iheart
Use Spotify most days. Never heard of Spotify Live. It was another app? Hey how about throwing podcasts into another app?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 13:27 (one year ago) link
I see they are still semi arbitrarily messing around with the interface. They cut off the queue at 80 which wasn't true a couple of days back I think and certainly not a couple of weeks back. Had the queue I was listening through disappear on me afew days ago and only built up over last few days so not sure exactly when it changed.But now won't add titles beyond position 81. So is this another temporary move or what.
THink it has been changing a bit over the last few weeks but is it still semi random or is there some hierarchy of permissions to set controls
― Stevo, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 13:55 (one year ago) link
It's incredible how we're nearing a time when stunning architectural and interior design renderings come at almost no cost! 🏠 Imagination once meant visualization, but with AI, it's becoming moot. What will we still have to imagine? 🤔 https://t.co/YcrPuen9LP— Daniel Ek (@eldsjal) April 13, 2023
― least said, sergio mendes (sic), Friday, 14 April 2023 04:58 (one year ago) link
Something I really appreciate on Spotify is old singles appearing on it (often with photos of the original label) and the correct date of original release in the metadata. I'm surprised it happens, as it seems far from the usual ebb and flow of catalogues getting dumped on and off there. I can't imagine what the commercial context is for things like Mark A Mitchell's 1983 single 'How Can I?' suddenly appearing, for example.
https://open.spotify.com/track/643ojjjenyR15q32CkaQmg?si=d7c751ad90234428
― Alba, Monday, 17 April 2023 09:45 (one year ago) link
i've officially stumbled upon the weirdest thing i've ever seen.on a spotify radio this week, 1 song annoyingly kept playing. except every time I looked, it was a different song name and artist entirely.so I started keeping track. here's 49 of them.https://t.co/VrmYPyQQqg pic.twitter.com/ejrwf11Oc6— ADAM FAZE (@adamfaze) April 18, 2023
― StanM, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:57 (one year ago) link
spotify down for anyone else?
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link
everything seems okay on my end?
― ''i am the kanye west kanye west thinks he is.'' (Austin), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link
There were issues, but they've been fixed.
The crapfest that Adam Faze stepped in is far from the only weird cluster of stuff people deliver to Spotify. Not our doing, but I agree that we attract blame for it if it finds its way into radio...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
I wonder if that's really the weirdest thing he's ever seen. If so, charmed life
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
^ this, yeah
― StanM, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
Feel like having utterly shit taste is the only way you’d ever stumble on that.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link
I’ve never listened to “Spotify Radio” but I’m sure they stream all kinds of crap
― brimstead, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link
i'm sorry if this has been addressed either in this huge thread or elsewhere—
why are there so many instances of multiple listings for the same album? i'm looking at the eurythmics catalogue right now and there's three listings for their first album: one specifies that's a 2018 remaster and has ten tracks, one has no extra indicators and poorly cropped cover art, and the third also has no extra indicators but bonus tracks. their whole spotify is like this and it's ridiculous. WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS????
― W E F L Y T O G E T H E R (Austin), Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
yep I hate it
― nashwan, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
Licensing is complicated. There are actually 7 versions of In the Garden, but only 5 of them are available in the US, and we manage to group two pairs of those to whittle the visible list down to 3.
https://everynoise.com/artistprofile.cgi?id=0NKDgy9j66h3DLnN8qu1bB
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 22 April 2023 21:26 (one year ago) link
Yeah complaining that “too many things are available via streaming” makes it seem a bit like a no-win situation (and you’ll run into the same issue if you’re trying to buy the CD or whatever).
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link
Also, can’t you figure out the one you want and save it to your library or whatever?
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 23:23 (one year ago) link
thanks for the link and for your time glenn.
― W E F L Y T O G E T H E R (Austin), Sunday, 23 April 2023 02:57 (one year ago) link
also sorry if my earlier post came off angry. should have added a lol or two because it wasn't meant in an irritated way.
― W E F L Y T O G E T H E R (Austin), Sunday, 23 April 2023 03:01 (one year ago) link
I don't mind too much about the duplicates, except that, as I moaned upthread, sometimes you find you've liked a track twice from two versions of the same album and you unlike one for tidiness and then both get unliked.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 April 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link
It can be equally annoying if an album is ONLY available in a deluxe 72 track version
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 24 April 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link
I've had an update today - desktop & web player - with a total redesign of how the Your Library section functions. Essentially, all the functionality of the library is now managed in an expanded/expandable left-hand column, with buttons across the top for Playlists, Albums, Artists & Podcasts (FFS). Each element of the library opens within that left-hand column; there's also a 'search library' function, separate from the usual Search function, that works within the left column, too. You can organise by recent/recently added/alphabetical/creator. There's a fair amount of autonomy with real estate, as in you can stretch the library as far as you might want to.
Individual albums/playlists then open in the right-hand column. Home and Search buttons are in the left column but once clicked functionality is managed in the right-hand column.
I don't hate it actually.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 24 April 2023 20:36 (one year ago) link
Brought to you by a very bored and boring man.
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 24 April 2023 20:37 (one year ago) link
It looks nice but I'm so used to the tree view (which is still on the web player for now) now I'm finding it takes more clicks to navigate to playlists and end up typing to get to some. Poor response times also.
― nashwan, Monday, 24 April 2023 22:00 (one year ago) link
The arrows still open folders in the tree view...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 24 April 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
^ took me a while to realise that admittedly (because clicking on the rest of the playlist 'button' opens the contents like a new page if it's a folder. To be a little more constructive, I guess it's just not being able to see as many playlists at once in that view now irking me but I'd be cooler with it if instead of showing the playlist creator's username with very playlist (not useful if most of the playlists are your own) it showed the number of tracks in it (again just personal preference but I'd love this).
― nashwan, Thursday, 27 April 2023 12:15 (one year ago) link
Could you maybe have stuff in your queue?― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, March 4, 2023 8:19 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, March 4, 2023 8:19 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
Since this post, I have caught myself accidentally putting stuff in my queue from time to time. Thanks for the troubleshooting, glenn.
― peace, man, Thursday, 27 April 2023 13:09 (one year ago) link
Just fat fingers, I guess.
― peace, man, Thursday, 27 April 2023 13:10 (one year ago) link
New menu is a bit hair triggered. I just tried clicking on a space within the designation to find taht it started playing instead of what I was trying to listen to. I had just been trying to see if a show on my library list had any new episodes that I wasn't aware of.Haven't liked the interface being very iffy about picking up a track/episode and shift it up the playlist queue for a while. Either doesn't pick up or may start playing and feels like the process is only minutely different. Also trying to pick up a specific track and finding it crosses a highlighted one to be replaced, or just gets left behind without you knowing. Is there a feel I'm just not getting so far, like trying to avoid one thing you wind up doping another. Ho hum. & if it's anything it's level of pressure of touch which doesn't seem to be a constant.
― Stevo, Saturday, 29 April 2023 08:53 (one year ago) link
I find this interface really dodgy.I thought you could click on the icon or below where the text was and just wound up with the show starting. So not sure how you get this menu thing to work if you're only seeing thumbnail for whole show as in not episode specific.Again was trying to avoid things that worked negatively before. & did think these menu items were there to allow further investigation not just as play right now. Like trying to work out what to cue vs arbitrarily going for anything within the designation. JUst seems a bit full blown wrong really
― Stevo, Saturday, 29 April 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link
I'm not really following you, sorry. Which "menu" are you discussing, and what do you mean by "the designation"?
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 29 April 2023 13:23 (one year ago) link
haven't tooled with desktop a lot since this change but I'm surprised they saw fit to make it this complex
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 29 April 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link
New set up has what was a different page called Library incorporated into teh left hand column of the main page menu.I think people had been talking about taht over teh last few days. I'm not getting all updates of new episodes so thought I would check the titles/thumbnails of the shows and instead of being able to look at theings at teh same time as listening to the show or track I was playing it just switched the audio onto an episode of the show. Not sure if tehy were even current episode and thumbnail should take you to a place where you could choose the episode you listened to since the library page had that option. So again, hating the interface. THought it looked ok when I first saw it but seems to be pretty flawed .
― Stevo, Saturday, 29 April 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link
a thing i was curious about is whether the recent big jumps in large language model power can be used to radically optimise recommendations. it feels somewhat uh instinctively (i'm not a data scientist) like they should, given the large amount of a) structured data and b) user insight spotify has. apologies doing a shameless 'hi glenn i has a question' post. a friend of mine was moaning about spotify recommendations saying 'last.fm was better' - that hasn't been my experience particularly - 'ze algorithms' will often surface something that counts as a proper 'discovery' for me and this particular gripe felt more like 'person moans about thing not being like another thing' but it did generate this question!
― Fizzles, Monday, 1 May 2023 07:50 (one year ago) link
I've enjoyed getting recomendations from teh program but since they keep changing everything around continually the space taht used to have the recommendations on disappears for months. I see it has returned recently but i think it is so far repeating things i already know. Have been surprised in teh past. Which actually surprises me since I am already aware of a large amount of music.
― Stevo, Monday, 1 May 2023 10:02 (one year ago) link
actually that’s a good point: discover weekly used to be generally v good for me. i just went hunting for it, and it’s completely off beam now. though that may be because i’m listening to a lot more cds and bandcamp these days, and spotify has become more of an erratic “ok let’s see” place.
― Fizzles, Monday, 1 May 2023 10:45 (one year ago) link
Is the interface in Spotify still being semi randomly updated to check out what individual designers want to have a go at as it has seemed fro teh last couple of years or is there a more organised process by which things are being done. & is everybody else having teh same experience with thumbnails not leading to menus but starting new tracks/shows playing.
Again I tried to get to a menu for a show that should have had a new episode today and tried to click on an area of the box designation for the thumbnail plus details that had worked before to get to menu to have the audio flicked over to a semi random episode. New episode hadn't come in yet anyway. So is that happening to everybody else too or is it a fault in the set up I'm using. & not sure how I'd break taht down further, Ubuntu through a computer that's a few years old or whatever. Would hope that an interface that worked on several layers of menus wouldn't arbitrarily bypass them. Would think that would be recognised to be a design flaw.
― Stevo, Monday, 1 May 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link
I had actually fgully extended the library section of the menu to try to avoid hitting a point that might trigger the switch.Also the designated list area for each thumbnail/show changes due to amount of text in it which can be down to length of show name or something as simple as that. It looks like somebody took what worked on a separate page and just moved it so that it formed a column without taking into account functionality. Or that's the way it seems to be working here.
― Stevo, Monday, 1 May 2023 15:05 (one year ago) link
So I guess poor old Marti Caine's artist page has somehow got hijacked
https://i.imgur.com/SpLSU8m.png
― Alba, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link
Well, I got the new update and it sucks shit.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
Why are my saved albums all in one column down the left? I have hundreds! I know most people on Spotify save individual songs and not whole albums but this is ridiculous.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 01:30 (one year ago) link
lol does spotify have a bunch of designer-developers that get fired if they're not making changes every two months? They keep making changes that rarely make any sense. If it ain't broke leave it be.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 11 May 2023 04:15 (one year ago) link
Have they binned the TikTok style home feed then?Mine's back to the old one after this most recent update
― groovypanda, Thursday, 11 May 2023 07:54 (one year ago) link
glad to see I'm not the only one finding these things to be a pain. THought frequency was possibly higher than every couple of months with continual change. & I would think that motivation would be similar to my take on it. What is making things change, fire everything at teh wall and see if it sticks. Continual Beta with no user feedback or control. & several negative points repeated several times.
The left hand menu thing is bad enough with 20 odd podcasts as the content. Can see it being even worse if exponentially more albums instead. But just think it will inevitably be changed within days. It has been up for weeks already.
Are they trying to shed more people. I thought loads left at the time that MSW jumped ship opposing Joe Rogan, that group did come back at some point I still haven't worked out when. Are they thinking people will return and you will get loads of make up aural sex or something?
― Stevo, Thursday, 11 May 2023 08:00 (one year ago) link
you can click on 'playlists' in the left hand menu to make it more or less like it was before.
― ledge, Thursday, 11 May 2023 08:08 (one year ago) link
I quit Spotify after Rogan and signed up for Qobuz. But Qobuz’ search function is shit and Spotify has a larger catalogue so I re-subscribed to Spotify (whomp whomp) and now I have both. May ditch them both for Apple Music now that they have the classical service, but I like also being able to buy albums from Qobuz.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:23 (one year ago) link
you can buy albums from apple music too iirc, they still have the download service
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:08 (one year ago) link
when I said that group returned I was talking specifically about the MSW podcasts which I was surprised to find back on Spotify after making a big point of leaving in protest. Not sure what their return decision making was, them being on their own website meant I wasn't adding them to play queues and subsequently wasn't listening to them much for months. & don't know when the show reappeared on Spotify. Anybody come across what brought them back and when? I thought their reason for departure was still pretty featured on the platform.
― Stevo, Thursday, 11 May 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link
This new interface is absolute fucking trash.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 11 May 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link
you can buy albums from apple music too
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 12 May 2023 00:05 (one year ago) link
So jet to the store, and buy the LPOn Jive or RCA, cassettes and CD's
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 12 May 2023 01:31 (one year ago) link
I like purchasing FLAC files though, not Apple's propreitary lossless and I'm too lazy to convert.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 May 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link
I have thousands aof CDs and thousands of Bandcamp purchases, I buy plenty of music, I just want Spotify to work properly.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 12 May 2023 02:11 (one year ago) link
Whataboutism
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 12 May 2023 04:28 (one year ago) link
Now got the old playlists view back again - backlash-based reversion?
― nashwan, Saturday, 13 May 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
maybe you were/are caught in an A/B test
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 15 May 2023 12:41 (one year ago) link
arrrr this new version is driving me nuts
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 10:36 (one year ago) link
it's so crazy that you can't just drag songs around in a playlist to reorder them. the tracks move under your finger, but nothing happens when you let go. instead you have to tap the three dots, then "edit", then reorder, then "save"
doubtless this has been complained about here before, but it's just kind of mind boggling
on the other hand, what glenn does, or part of what glenn does, eg the 'radio' feature that plays similar tracks based on what you were just listening to, is just an incredible achievement. i have found so much great stuff this way. it should be like, somehow preserved or made into a public utility, or put into the library of congress. a way of navigating the essentially limitless catalogue of recorded music with zero effort required on the user's part. it even feels like there is some effort put into varying tempos, varying deep cuts with popular tracks, but that may be a figment of my imagination
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 10:45 (one year ago) link
I found a similar feeling from the more limited resources of my ATRAC walkman which I returend to listening to on losing my phone a couple of weeks ago. That there is an algorithm that will sort music in a way that seems like tehre is somebody consciously djing still surprises me. I think that is about 20 years old so technology has probably improved no end. Still not worked out how it sorts things which seems to be right across genre and is presumably all AI there, the tracks on that were entered with my labeling which presumably means that tags were even less easily sorted. Wonder what human input you would have on a system like spotify, is anybody sorting like to like in general to help guide algorithm at all. Or is it all based on some form of recognition of sample of track that I'd like to know more about. Seems to be so much more than pure luck anyway. ^ wonder what selection process is and order of tracks played in etc etc.
― Stevo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:06 (one year ago) link
Different Spotify features work different ways, and even I'm not always sure which bits of my work factor into which ones at any given moment.
But many of the things on everynoise.com are my attempts to give products of collective listening back to the world in some form. E.g. this recent addition is sort of an unpersonalized (and unrandomized) version of artist radio:
https://everynoise.com/canonicalpath.cgi
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link
it's so crazy that you can't just drag songs around in a playlist to reorder them. the tracks move under your finger, but nothing happens when you let go. instead you have to tap the three dots, then "edit", then reorder, then "save"You mean on mobile, right? Because you can definitely drag songs around on desktop. (Meanwhile, I thought it was impossible to do on mobile, so I'm glad to know there is a way, even if it's clunky.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 22:46 (one year ago) link
On the new desktop app there is no way to “go back” (like going back to a previous webpage) to a previous album.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link
On quick first viewing, that Canonical Path thing is pretty impressive. Thanks, Glenn!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
You mean on mobile, right?
Right.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 May 2023 05:53 (one year ago) link
holy shit
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 May 2023 05:54 (one year ago) link
Quite interesting. Generates quickly anyway. Not had a chance to actually listen to a playlist yet but interesting for suggestions at least.I did try entering a few different artist names and saw that when artist's names appeared it was with the same song title. Does it stay that way until they're played or something or would it just play the same song by the artist when yhey came up.I thought most interesting results were from artist's who spanned more than one genre. That generates a bunch of artist's for each genre listed. I saw that with MC5 and Louis Prima. Unfortunately not so much with Gun Club who didn't seem to have any roots, blues,jazz, country listed which are constituent parts of the sound I think.I would mix across genre if I was creating a playlist anyway. But this does look great. Didn't see how long a playlist went on for saw it was over an hour, possibly 2.I guess the existing continued playlist function if that is still present is likely to remain inside of a genre or 2. May be based on listeners history so May reflect that diversity.I thought the search for Frank Hutchison yielded some interesting results too since I'd been meaning to look up other contemporaries of his who weredoing something similar.So far can see its good for suggestions so May investigate it further with other entries. Thanks for sharing.
― Stevo, Thursday, 18 May 2023 06:57 (one year ago) link
Meat Puppets came up 3 or 4 times with Backwater, Birthday party a similar amount with Mr Clarinet , Swans with the same song too. I have multiple lps by all 3 of those that are all pretty interesting so hoping that any time a band turned up they wouldn't only be playing the same song each time.
― Stevo, Thursday, 18 May 2023 08:26 (one year ago) link
JUst checked another bunch of artists as initial point and yeah do keep coming across teh same track by a few different bands. Which is a shame cos I would hope it was dynamic. Also haven't tried the same band as starting point twice so not sure if it would change each time.& if it does change over time is there an element of feedback to things that would suggest what does and doesn't work for teh listener and therefore a level of customisation . Or is it just what it is and you have a playlist that's handy and will pass the time etc.
Just would definitely prefer it if the songs by the artists changed each time one created a playlist. These do have larger worthwhile catalogues. & sound that changed over time so songs from one era would fit a flow a lot better than others, which is also true of individual songs.
― Stevo, Thursday, 18 May 2023 09:11 (one year ago) link
It chooses the most popular on Spotify track for each artist.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 May 2023 11:53 (one year ago) link
so you only get one track per band. Would it be possible to make things more flexible and choose from a top 5 or something.The walkman random seems to have a core group it returns to every so often and plays a different track from the few that are in the player. I think it may have some default bands that it will mix to per artist to some extent. That's just my experience with a player i have enjoyed listening to . I thought you had far more of a database of music you can access. But its up to you or whoever wrote the program.
― Stevo, Thursday, 18 May 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link
compact version of the new library view available in settings - but where have the albums gone? am i missing something? i hardly ever used them so personally not too bothered but i think some here might be.
― ledge, Thursday, 18 May 2023 13:40 (one year ago) link
Fucking ‘create new folder’ does nothing, no folders for you.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
As the Canonical Path says at the bottom, it's just one song per artist. It's really an artist explorer in the form of playlists. That is, like a path, it gets you places, but when you find yourself somewhere interesting, go off the path and poke around...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 19 May 2023 00:04 (one year ago) link
It's brilliant - thank you. Artist radio is fine but, yeah, too personalised to past listens rather than discovery (I never want to hear Nico's These Days again unless I actually pick it!). This has already thrown up a new-to-me favourite artist,Tia Blake, as well as just making for some surprisingly good overall playlist listens (after doing a quick weed of overfamiliar tracks. The one-song-an-artist thing will probably spoil the latter use case in time - I get that that's not really the point of it, but even an option to instead play 2nd-most-popular track (or 3rd,4th,5th etc) would be nice.
― Alba, Friday, 19 May 2023 05:11 (one year ago) link
yeah worth checking out to see what it turns up.
― Stevo, Friday, 19 May 2023 08:09 (one year ago) link
Canonical path save as playlist not working in chrome, 'ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT'. It works in firefox.
I wonder if you could find an artist's most popular track among fans or superfans. e.g. autechre's most popular is 'bike' which is early years, radio friendly, included on many compilations back in the day, not at all representative of what they've been up to for the last twenty years.
― ledge, Friday, 19 May 2023 09:04 (one year ago) link
It did occur to me that any algorithm that goes by single most popular track by artist automatically enhances that status. Or at least if it sets that track up to play. Presumably only significant in tandem with popularity of program.But still one of those observer effects that which is observed like.
― Stevo, Friday, 19 May 2023 09:36 (one year ago) link
Um, there's 2 arrows (< and >) at the top left of the currently playing pane that let you do just that
― groovypanda, Friday, 19 May 2023 09:54 (one year ago) link
ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT usually means you have a Chrome extension that's keeping the page from loading.
As for wanting a playlist with different songs by the same artists, that seems like a common desire not limited to these particular playlists, so I made an experimental thing. If you copy any playlist's link into this:
https://everynoise.com/playlistprofile.cgi
then you can scroll down to the bottom and find the "make a new playlist with the same artists, but different songs" link. This will try to make you a new list with the next song down each artist's popularity list. On a long playlist that's a lot of API calls, so it may be slow or flaky, but it does seem to basically work. Which means now I kinda want to use it on everything.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 19 May 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
OMG this is amazing
― Alba, Friday, 19 May 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
Is there a way to *limit* the size of these playlists? I'm going to speak in metaphors, which I'm sure isn't particularly helpful, but something with a higher concentrated essence of the original source track but less diluted across, say, 250 tracks?
I guess I'm thinking a, say, Labradford playlist, only 20 tracks long but hyper-focused on the original sound would be less unwieldy?
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
Question for curators of large playlists - is there any way to "insert" a song in a particular spot? I've got playlists with thousands of songs, and if I want to make a new addition, say, number 4 on the playlist of 4000, there doesn't seem to be any way to do this other than adding it to the bottom of the list and then dragging it up for a good 1-2 minutes. There's got to be a better way!
― westofrome, Friday, 19 May 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
sorry, power user feature, only 1% will use it, not worthwhile, NEXT
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 May 2023 16:02 (one year ago) link
“Same artist but different song” link looks amazing, ty
― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Friday, 19 May 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link
In the Spotify desktop app, which is the only way any serious playlist editing should be done, you can drag a song over to a playlist on the sidebar and hover there for a second, and that playlist will appear on the right so you can keep dragging into a specific spot. Or you can select a track wherever, Copy it, go to your target playlist, select the track that you want this one to appear after, and Paste.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
I do have alternate versions of this Canonical Path idea that are based on individual songs, or albums, but the datasets are more unwieldy than the artist-based ones for multiple reasons.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
Glenn, the copy/paste works perfectly - thanks!
― westofrome, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
“4050kced” ft. Sextile - crazy to fake a song with such a small band but it did get the scammer in my new release playlist.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 19 May 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link
milo on that note, i just got a new release notification for "de la soul and uk projects"- https://open.spotify.com/album/3dFn9TqBVYkVr2FYutmqR1?si=BRNbGyUaRIuFU6gUS3wRCw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3dFn9TqBVYkVr2FYutmqR1
it's nothing whatsoever to do with de la.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
So now there's a 'Use Compact Library layout' setting which will give you the old playlists view cool cool.
― nashwan, Saturday, 20 May 2023 12:03 (one year ago) link
I have an update version waiting to load to my computer. Hadn't really thought about it but this morning I wondered if it was likely to have messed up any further.Hadn't let it install cos I've been listening through a queue when around the computer. & that queue has been being added to and reordered etc.
― Stevo, Saturday, 20 May 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link
I just accidentally hit Enhanced Shuffle and it kind of freaked me out a bit.
― Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 May 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
that same artist different song thing is very cool!
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link
Stupid new interface: further shittery
Still won't create new folders, and now when attempting to move playlists around it commits suicide and blanks the entire playlist window, making everything unavailable.https://i.ibb.co/n7fwRSm/Untitled.png]
God I hate this update.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 25 May 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link
the desktop update is unfathomably bad. i didnt like the old UI either but this went backwards about 500 steps from that.
― Spottie, Thursday, 25 May 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
It's ok I'm sure they'll find something worse to do shortly. Rapid action setting of firing things at the wall to see what sticks like.It's only been like no time since they made the last design brain fart.so I'm sure they'll do it again soon.
― Stevo, Friday, 26 May 2023 01:28 (one year ago) link
Listening to an ambient playlist and it's weird to see all these artists listed who have several hundred thousand monthly listeners and zero presence anywhere online except Spotify.
― omar little, Monday, 29 May 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
wasn't there a big exposé that a lot of those artists are either AIs or employed by spotify to churn out stuff to populate those playlists so they don't have to pay artist royalties?
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 29 May 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
No. They're probably mostly pseudonyms for musicians who do other non-background music, but they're neither AI nor employed by Spotify.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 29 May 2023 23:56 (one year ago) link
ambient is a surprisingly popular genre
combined spotify streams for tracks on Eno's Apollo album abt 300 million
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 08:40 (one year ago) link
My impression is that a lot of people use Spotify almost exclusively as background music for work or sleep, so it's not too surprising that ambient and "lo fi beats to study to" are big genres. Of all the music I listen to, my end if year summary often places video game soundtracks and fan heater noise loops in my most listened
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 09:55 (one year ago) link
wasn't there a story from the height of grunge's popularity that a number of the artists involved in the Seattle scene were also working in Muzak which was also Seattle based.
― Stevo, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:30 (one year ago) link
2023: The Year Ambient Broke
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:59 (one year ago) link
floated, big bag of floatation
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 11:54 (one year ago) link
Glenn, is there any way to filter/search a playlist for grayed-out songs? A search operator maybe? Looking to periodically check large playlists for grays to see if there's an alternate version of the song, etc.
― westofrome, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link
No, not currently.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
first it insists upon recommending me podcasts -which i absolutely do not care about whatsoever- and to add an insult on top of that, it's started recommending one called "432 hz nusic." lol fuck off.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Friday, 2 June 2023 08:51 (one year ago) link
*music
tho i wouldn't be surprised if it was nusic. take that hokum over to tidal or whatever
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Friday, 2 June 2023 08:52 (one year ago) link
I've moved over to Tidal last year (as they allow streaming in DJ software, Spotify doesn't anymore), and the Tidal apps are terribly basic, but it's at least good to see that it's still not that great either in the green camp.
― Siegbran, Friday, 2 June 2023 10:36 (one year ago) link
No matter how often you close the intrusive new right-hand window of artist info, it will always reappear.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 15 June 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
For some reason Spotify started inserting a track or even a podcast in front of what i was in the middle of listening to as i transferred between devices. Id be in the middle of a sentence and suddenly be listening to something completely unrelated. Not sure if its still doing that but happened several times. Ho hum.
― Stevo, Friday, 16 June 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link
Seems bad: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zz9z/spotify-rogan-rfk-vaccine-misinformation-policy
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Sunday, 18 June 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
Terrible
― omar little, Sunday, 18 June 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
it's ok they know who is grifting and who is just roganomics
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jun/19/spotify-executive-calls-harry-and-meghan-grifters-after-podcast-deal-ends
― nashwan, Monday, 19 June 2023 08:27 (one year ago) link
Yes please, I would love an intrusive 'now playing' window to open every time I click on a new track, and for it to have barely a single piece of useful or relevant information in it.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link
They need to redeploy every idiot who works on “improving” the UI to fixing up metadata or something else useful.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 24 June 2023 10:04 (one year ago) link
I only realised recently that they have the ability to launch a video window for some podcasts. So found that things i was listening to thinking they were audio only because they were here as podcasts actually had a pop up window I hadn't seen because in the middle of doing something else. & having multiple windows open. Have come across it a few times now. Is taht something that was always there or a recent addition.
― Stevo, Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:14 (one year ago) link
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 June 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
I'm very probably being dense, but is there a 'make similar playlist' function in Everynoise? I'm sure I've used it before but... (I know there's one within Spotify in the right-click menu' but I like the expansivity of the Everynoise version.)
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 08:37 (one year ago) link
by make similar playlist, do you mean a radio playlist? if so, I believe that is here:
https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=radio
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link
Depends on how "similar" you mean, but if you put a playlist into https://everynoise.com/playlistprofile.cgi you can get a link at the bottom to make a playlist with the same artists but different tracks. I have an Spotify-internal version that does more of an extrapolation to different artists, which is probably more like what you have in mind, but it requires data access below the API level...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link
I like the radio option, Moodles, but that is just extrapolated from a single track eh - I was thinking more as Glenn says: a playlist of (relatively) similar mood/genre tags and then extrapolate from there.
Out of interest, how does the one built into the context menu work Glenn - as in the 'create a similar playlist' function? Does that build from user data?
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
radio can be based on tracks, artists, albums, or playlists
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link
I get a Python script error when I put a playlist link in there? Works OK with artist and track.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link
Yeah, playlist radio is being discontinued, and doesn't work through the API anyway. "Create Similar Playlist" works pretty well, and I think doesn't use (or need) previous listening.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 02:36 (one year ago) link
Adding a song to several playlists at once has made my life easier. Thanks, glenn - I assume it was you who made the call.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 11:59 (one year ago) link
If it's a new feature you like, then I was definitely personally responsible for it.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 29 June 2023 01:49 (one year ago) link
Just discovered two very interesting Spotify tools for reordering playlists. Both are aimed at automating the process of creating a playlist that flows well.
One is https://www.sortbytune.com, which gives you a lot of control - you can drag tracks about and see how adjacent tracks match in various ways (harmonics, energy, that kind of thing), or you can just click on the Reorder button and let it for you, prioritising whatever qualities you want.
Other is https://spotfire.io, which just does the whole thing with one click as it thinks best, no parameters to choose from.
And of course, you can save the results as a new playlist rather than it overwriting the original.
Quite fun just throwing Release Radar or Discover Weekly at it - never sure if Spotify does anything with the order of those, but it definitely flows better to my ears. I used to use another tool (http://sortyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com/) just to reorder by ascending energy, but this is better.
Also interested in seeing how it would reorder classic albums.
― Alba, Friday, 30 June 2023 14:04 (one year ago) link
Weird to have my 30-track Discover Weekly playlist come in at a brisk 57 minutes this week. Nothing like that ever happened before.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 3 July 2023 08:45 (one year ago) link
Third week in a row I've had mostly 1-2min tracks! 67min, 81min and 60min total.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 3 July 2023 22:18 (one year ago) link
Mine had a 22:54 track this week, so the contraction of the human spirit definitely isn't complete yet, but I'll pass these reports along to the right team...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link
My Discover Weekly was just You Suffer (But Why?) by Napalm Death repeated 500 times.
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 July 2023 01:57 (one year ago) link
I wasn’t complaining, it was nice to hear all of it in one hit for once.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 July 2023 05:30 (one year ago) link
Ha, mine comes in at a relatively epic 1hr47, but still half are under 3 minutes.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 09:34 (one year ago) link
Just discovered two very interesting Spotify tools for reordering playlists. Both are aimed at automating the process of creating a playlist that flows well.One is https://www.sortbytune.com, which gives you a lot of control - you can drag tracks about and see how adjacent tracks match in various ways (harmonics, energy, that kind of thing), or you can just click on the Reorder button and let it for you, prioritising whatever qualities you want.Other is https://spotfire.io, which just does the whole thing with one click as it thinks best, no parameters to choose from.
These are cool, thanks! One thing I'd like to see from tools like these is an ability to recognize and sort by genre. Sort by Tune uses some criteria that can act as proxies for genre, like acousticness or danceability, but I wish you could also layer on the Every Noise at Once dataset.
For instance, I have a playlist of 300+ songs from 1995, across a bunch of different genres, that I've been wanting to sequence in a way that flows nicely. I've made a bunch of other playlists like this, and it can be kind of laborious. Spotfire isn't much help, because the main thing it prioritizes is the song's key, so it has, like, Elastica going into Goodie Mob because both are in E-flat (or whatever). Sort by Tune is a little better, because you can customize it to put more value on "sound" and "energy," for instance, but it still ends up with some weird genre juxtapositions. So, I think I'll still have to do some manual sequencing on the macro level, to figure out how to move from Genre A to Genre Z, but Sort by Tune could probably help on the micro level to arrange songs within a specific genre.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I've not really found a tool that's really good at sorting by genre.
There's http://organizeyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com, which will split everything by glenn's microgenres (so you get extract all the 'permanent wave' or 'laboratorio' tracks) but what you really want is something that treats these genres in a fuzzier way. Maybe the closest I've found to want you want is https://www.chosic.com/spotify-playlist-analyzer, from which you can filter a playlist to parent-level genres like rock and R&B, and save the results to a new playlist. But you'd have to do those genres one by one, rather than sorting them all into chunks in a single playlist.
I like mixing up genres in playlists myself, to a certain extent.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
Oh actually it looks like https://www.chosic.com/spotify-playlist-sorter/ lets you sort a playlist by parent genre. Though it just failed when I tried throwing my 6,000+ liked songs at it.
― Alba, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 21:46 (one year ago) link
Playing an album on phone app to Sonos speaker and it just gets confused, either playing the next track without updating to reflect this on the phone (or the browser version) or just stopping altogether. Happens quite often.
― nashwan, Monday, 10 July 2023 10:54 (one year ago) link
Based on my experience with sonos i'd put this one on them. ymmv but i'll put the advice i got from them in the sonos thread anyway.
― a holistic digital egosystem (ledge), Monday, 10 July 2023 11:09 (one year ago) link
Spotify Connect is brilliant when it works but half the time when I try to move playback from my Mac to my Sonos speakers it fails. Workaround seems to be moving it first to my phone and then on to speaker from there. Probably Sonos's fault, yeah. Can always Airplay it instead but that's not as good.
― Alba, Monday, 10 July 2023 11:21 (one year ago) link
Or, not 'moving it phone' as such - opening Spotify on my phone and grabbing it from there.
I'm still finding that transferring a queue from the desktop to my phone doesn't always work. Think its happening less frequently than it was at some earlier point, possibly an older phone. But can think its transfered then find the thing I'm listening to crashing and queue I'd just set up disappearing. Wondering if external signal crashing due to weather caused this last week when i had been listening to something I was getting through cable. I like flexibility of having gone without creating an actual playlist but may be behind with the app.
― Stevo, Monday, 10 July 2023 11:30 (one year ago) link
I'm assuming there's no easy way to merge two folders?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:53 (one year ago) link
Folder merging tool: nope.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 14 July 2023 01:40 (one year ago) link
alas
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 14 July 2023 09:08 (one year ago) link
getting a fun notification when i add a song to a playlist: "feedback.added-to-playlist-specific"
― a holistic digital egosystem (ledge), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link
I've been getting that intermittently too. The song is added to the correct playlist, it seems.
― (picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 11:22 (one year ago) link
Like to play some local files? Hope you enjoy a fraction of a second of each track in sequence and then an error message. It will probably work on the third try. Probably.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 11:27 (one year ago) link
Noticing that tracks from KLF's Solid State Logik 2 can be played on the album page but not in a playlist. Pretty ludicrous.
― nashwan, Saturday, 29 July 2023 10:24 (one year ago) link
Uh, I don't have any problem playing those songs from album or playlist, and there's no feature where certain things can't be played from playlists...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 29 July 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link
So funny that this is still going on. My median today is 2m33s. Good selection though
― Alba, Monday, 31 July 2023 09:59 (one year ago) link
Got a copyright infringement notice on the art I was using for a private playlist, which is a first.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:45 (one year ago) link
At some point in the early 21st century, Radiohead became something more than a band: they became a touchstone for everything that is fearless and adventurous in rock
― crutch of england (ledge), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 09:00 (one year ago) link
I'm no longer sure I know what "touchstone" means.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
It's like a red pill but you absorb it through the skin
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link
This may be just me, but lately whenever I randomly search for playlists based on a keyword, it's pretty much only giving me "official" Spotify playlists. It may give me one or two user-generated playlists, but that's it, which is very different from my past experiences. Is anyone else noticing this or is it just me?
I have really enjoyed finding interesting playlists then clicking the creator to see what else they have put together, seems like those days may be dwindling in Spotify at least.
― intheblanks, Monday, 28 August 2023 02:15 (one year ago) link
noticed it too - also noticed yesterday when searching for a rainy day 70s playlist that there was... a rainy day 70s playlist MADE FOR ME :O
kinda cool
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 28 August 2023 11:31 (one year ago) link
You can use my research tools to get unpersonalized playlist results, and lots of them...
https://everynoise.com/research.cgi?mode=playlist&name=hyperpop
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 28 August 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link
Hi Glenn,
I've noticed in recent weeks that your New Releases by Genre page seems to have significantly fewer items than in the past. Have you made changes to how this works?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
We made some big changes back in April. There aren't fewer things, but the categorization is a lot less fuzzy now, so each genre is more accurate and each release appears in fewer genres. So if you've been following only specific genres, you might want to recalibrate and add a few more to catch things that previously might have drifted into different ones.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link
Good to know! It does indeed seem to be a bit more spread out now.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link
Really enjoying the slight lag on the desktop program so that when you go to delete a playlist, just as you click the menu suddenly readjusts itself and you end up downloading the playlist instead.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 31 August 2023 08:15 (one year ago) link
There should definitely be a law requiring pop-up menus to be built completely before display.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link
Hmm, I can't make that menu readjust, though. What's the exact shift you're seeing?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
another odd thing I've noticed is that when I do song radio for things like techno tracks, the radio playlist comes up with a ton of one minute long tracks
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 31 August 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link
Really enjoying the slight lag on the desktop program
Has become really sluggish for me on my M1 Mac in last few days too. Can't be an update as I'm still on an old version cause I don't have admin access on this work machine.
― Alba, Saturday, 2 September 2023 10:22 (one year ago) link
So this AI DJ thing just plays basically the same tracks each time you try it out? Seems a bit of a missed opportunity.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 8 September 2023 10:15 (one year ago) link
THey still keep messing around with elements of the design for no reason . Keep messing around with how long a queue you can have , changing number by one or 2. Seems to be a bit of a weird thing to do. Is there a reason, is having a lot on a queue on my computer affecting anybody else. Would have thought things would be more autonomous per computer .
― Stevo, Friday, 8 September 2023 10:27 (one year ago) link
The DJ isn't meant to repeat itself like that, not sure why it is for you...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:36 (one year ago) link
i'm also getting the "very short songs" thing in my artist radio! listened to "only for tonight" by TERR and (nearly) every song after was like 1 or 2 minutes long. strange!
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 September 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I'm not a fan, especially since I'm specifically looking for songs that are more like 6 minutes long.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 9 September 2023 00:47 (one year ago) link
fuck this garbage company forever
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 9 September 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link
“Spotify has already learned that there’s no money to be made with exclusive rights to superstar offerings. “After pouring billions into podcasts and audiobooks to little effect,” explains tech journalist David Pierce, “it seems to have largely given up on the idea that exclusive content is the path to riches.”The more profitable move is to manipulate listeners—prodding them to choose music the platform can use without royalty payments. As far as I can tell, this is the single biggest advantage to AI music. It’s a cheap alternative.”
https://www.honest-broker.com/p/nobody-will-tell-you-the-ugly-reason
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 9 September 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link
"well, mainstreaming a fascist podcast didn't work, guess we need to force-feed our user base all the royalty-free music we can dig up or create"
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 9 September 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
All they need to do is start a faux Pitchfork site that reviews their AI artists
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 9 September 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link
We don't have any AI artists.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 10 September 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/seT1zcd.jpgIf you search for "daylist" you now get things like this.I'm not sure I particularly listen to more emotional and symphonic work on Wednesday mornings but I'll go with it. Quite enjoy Spotify's endless iterations on personalised generated playlists, none of which seem to stick except for DW and RR.
― Alba, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 10:21 (one year ago) link
the AI DJ is creepy
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 10:38 (one year ago) link
none of which seem to stick except for DW and RR.
― Alba, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 10:44 (one year ago) link
The thing about menu commands moving around after you open the menu should be fixed now, by the way.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 15 September 2023 15:41 (one year ago) link
It is, thank you!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 16 September 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link
The DJ insists on playing me stuff off something called the “front left” playlist and I wish it wouldn’t, they’re all awful.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 22 September 2023 11:59 (one year ago) link
AI DJ's voice is awful BUT I like the idea of having a curated playlist that bounces around a few different themes BUT when he said he was going to play some deep cuts I hadn't heard in a while, he played three things from the discover weekly playlist that I'd listened to not two hours beforehand, none of which I've ever knowingly played before on spotify more than once.
― lurch of england (ledge), Monday, 25 September 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link
Playlists and algorithms are the new payola.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 25 September 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link
I'm not sure the DJ queue is getting your plays in realtime yet, so those may have been picked before you played them...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 25 September 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link
in which case the algorithm must be identical to the discover weekly one, or more likely it's just picking them from that playlist.
― lurch of england (ledge), Monday, 25 September 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link
Yes, the latter is likely.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 25 September 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link
TIL there's a genre on spotify called "lowercase".
― Jordan, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
Oh it's ASMR ambient
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowercase_(music)
― Jordan, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
Now I’m imagining Radu Malfatti jamming with mumbling cowboys
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link
So they got rid of the little bell in the app that low key notifies you of new music??? What
― calstars, Friday, 29 September 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link
I don't think anything intentional happened to the bell, and mine is still there and working...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 30 September 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
Oh, if you're on Android there might be a test running where that What's New feed is in the sidebar you get when you tap your profile pic...
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 1 October 2023 16:07 (one year ago) link
49min Discover Weekly this week! It won't last until Monday lunchtime.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 2 October 2023 10:33 (one year ago) link
Oh wow, yeah mine is brisk again as well, with just one track over 3 minutes
― Alba, Monday, 2 October 2023 10:41 (one year ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 02:11 (one year ago) link
Glenn, not sure what Spotify’s responsibility is as such but when all the music from the Tzadik label was recently added, it credited musician and label founder John Zorn with all of the compositions:https://spotify.link/YU3BseIuMDbAnd in a number of cases, it also credits Zorn as a performer where he is not (while also crediting the music writing to Zorn): https://spotify.link/gPKPF7NuMDbDoes Spotify have a policy of reaching out to labels in instances where the metadata is all wrong? I get that Tzadik is a small label with limited resources, but a friend noted to me that you could probably enlist a superfan to correct all this for free.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link
Metadata is the label's responsibility, and technically their prerogative, but I suspect these are just oversights. I'll pass these cases along to the right Spotify team, and we'll see if we can get Tzadik to do a little cleanup.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 01:49 (one year ago) link
"The heart is now a plus." True words.
― sawdust lagoon, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 06:59 (one year ago) link
so the checks on the right side indicate that a song has been added to a playlist, but do not indicate that it’s been downloaded or added to your library. the checks on top of playlists that appear after you click on the plus sign mean that the playlist has been added to your library. meanwhile, there’s still no way to add individual songs to your library without first adding them to a playlist
cool
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 October 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link
its maddening. why are they so insistent on getting rid of the heart.
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 12 October 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
... and now it's back?
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 13 October 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
My heart will go on
― Alba, Friday, 13 October 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
The other day I was listening to Low, and when the album ended the default algorithm suggestions started playing, and while it was nothing I would have necessarily put on myself, I was impressed it was all stuff I was happy to hear: Palace Brothers, Smog, Dirty Three, Codeine, Papa M, etc. But a few minutes ago my wife shouted at the robot to play "ska," and it delivered a weird Spotify playlist that was I assume at least loosely based on my own listening habits (so a bunch of legit Jamaican stuff as well as reggae/ska adjacent stuff like the English Beat, Clash, Bad Brains, Specials) but also a bunch of veeeeeeery loosely reggae adjacent stuff I've literally never played (No Doubt, Sublime) and third wave+ ska stuff that is not remotely to my preference (Reel Big Fish, Bosstones). Wonder what the algorithm was thinking, choosing that stuff even though there are hours and hours of better options that I've actively "liked" or downloaded.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 October 2023 19:56 (one year ago) link
It’s the mostly popular stuff labeled ska?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 16 October 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link
Yeah - if the "similar to Low" stuff wasn't based on your listening habits, why would you expect the ska to be?
― Chavez video on MTV, July 1995 (morrisp), Monday, 16 October 2023 02:35 (one year ago) link
I’m impressed by how the algorithm has a good sense of flow, i.e. a bunch of quiet ones then a loud one to break the mood, or vice versa, and so on and so on
I don’t really care about whether it’s a tick or a heart, but it was good having the heart in the right hand column in playlists on mobile, so you could see what you’ve liked already
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 October 2023 09:31 (one year ago) link
xpost I suppose the difference was that the Low related stuff, while nothing I might have played myself, was stuff I liked and enjoyed, definitely capturing/continuing the mood, whereas the "ska" playlist was packed with stuff I literally never want to hear. So, one generated playlist made me want to keep listening and add stuff to my likes or downloads, the other made me turn it off. Some of the tracks, like Bad Brains, were clearly because I'd just been listening to Bad Brains (not the first group that comes to mind when you think ska), so if they know what I'm listening to and what I like, I'd expect a generated playlist to be more hits than misses, like the Low one, and not half big misses, like the ska one.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 October 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link
But Low is band you like and Ska is a genre that contains stuff you don't seem to like
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 16 October 2023 14:16 (one year ago) link
But yeah, if I ask for a ska playlist it mostly gives me 80s hardcore stuff so there must be some taste factor involved
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 16 October 2023 14:20 (one year ago) link
Genres have the canonical Spotify playlist and then the "made for you" version. I'm not sure which one you get by default if you use voice control.
― Alba, Monday, 16 October 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link
Actually I'm having trouble finding the canonical ones now so maybe they are all more specific than a general genre like ska
― Alba, Monday, 16 October 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
If you got Ska Mix (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EIga94c2zaOqu), that one, like all the "Mix" ones with that same graphic treatment, has a pool of potential tracks picked by machine learning from what listeners put in playlists with "ska" in the title, and then is algorithmically personalized to try to approach your general taste and include some things you already like. This approach is not designed for purism.
There's also https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7WJ4yDmRK8R (and a few others), which has a pool of tracks picked by a human editor, and is then personalized. That approach produces a lot less non-ska, but might also have less stuff you already know. It doesn't look like there's an official straight hand-programmed Ska list without personalization, which is too bad.
And then https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2aKMOs9FxzuCX6kdylLX94 (and the other flavors linked in the description) is the genre-system version with no personalization. These sets are meant to be the most internally coherent of them. The tracks and sequence for each are picked algorithmically, but based on human genre-guidance and oversight.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 16 October 2023 18:25 (one year ago) link
This is fascinatingGlenn can you say more about “based on human genre-guidance”?
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 October 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Every genre in the Spotify genre system (which is what I'm mapping on everynoise.com) gets there by a human deciding a) to include it, b) what to call it in this namespace, and c) what core artists define and demonstrate what it means. Algorithms can pick up from there and do interesting further work, but there are always humans checking their extrapolations and overriding them (or tweaking the inputs further) when needed. None of it is unsupervised.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link
Still getting sub-2-hr Discover Weeklys, and the Daily Mixes frequently seem to be going that way too. It’s quite odd.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 29 October 2023 06:37 (one year ago) link
Though I guess 2 hours is still an average of 4 minutes per track, which is not abnormally short.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 29 October 2023 06:57 (one year ago) link
I've had a couple of other recent Spotify experiences that were a lot more spot-on. The other day I was listening to a Bauhaus album, and when it ended I started getting all sorts of other cool stuff I enjoyed. New Order, Birthday Party, Cramps, The Sound (most not "liked" by me previously, afaict). Today I put on "Pretty Hate Machine" and got another good run. Pixies, Garbage, Sonic Youth, Tool ... I should see what it spits out if I just ask it to play "goth" or "industrial."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link
https://www.thefader.com/2023/10/25/report-spotify-to-demonetize-lowest-streaming-tracks
Spotify is planning to roll out major changes to its royalty model, Music Business Worldwide and Billboard report. Per those publications, the company will execute this plan in the first financial quarter of 2024 in an effort to “combat three drains on the royalty pool — all of which are currently stopping money from getting to working artists.”
These drains, apparently, are low-streaming tracks, “fraudulent activity” on the platform, and non-music “noise” audio that, in the current model, is placed on par with bona fide songs. (As Stereogum notes, the company’s definitions of “fraud” and “noise” are as yet unclear.) Spotify’s solutions, according to MBW, are as follows:
1. Introducing a threshold of minimum annual streams before a track starts generating royalties on Spotify – in a move expected to de-monetize a portion of tracks that previously absorbed 0.5% of the service’s royalty pool;
2. Financially penalizing distributors of music – labels included – when fraudulent activity is detected on tracks that they’ve uploaded to Spotify; and
3. Introducing a minimum length of play-time that each non-music ’noise’ track must reach in order to generate royalties.
― omar little, Friday, 3 November 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
(As Stereogum notes, the company’s definitions of “fraud” and “noise” are as yet unclear.)
non-music 'noise'
noise=fraud, got it
thanks, spotify!
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 3 November 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
i'm being flippant obvs, but it feels like a move down the line is going to be determining which music is accessible enough to be on the platform. too dissonant? spotify's not for your band, fraud... er, i mean friend.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 3 November 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
I for one am shocked, just shocked
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 3 November 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link
Well #2 & #3 at least seem to make sense? Fighting fraudulent activity (which I assume means all those bogus tracks using the name of famous artists) sounds good; it also seems that 5-second (or whatever) tracks of noise that may be gaming the system shouldn't be generating royalties
― More skin on 'Love Boat' (morrisp), Friday, 3 November 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
they should get rid of all the bad music too
― brimstead, Friday, 3 November 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
Both desktop and app seem very glitchy recently. Slow to start, sometimes can't find playlists for 5 minutes after startup, taking forever to respond when you click play, showing previous weeks of Release Radar until you've gone out of and then back into the playlist a dozen times, etc etc.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 6 November 2023 22:26 (one year ago) link
I was having that problem, especially on my phone. I deleted the app, restarted the phone, then reinstalled the app and it's been working better.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/05/swedish-criminal-gangs-using-fake-spotify-streams-to-launder-money
Need a Breaking Bad reboot where Jesse tries to launder meth money by jumpstarting Skinny Pete’s piano career.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link
Cheers, President Keyes, will try that.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link
Cheers, milo z, will try that.
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 01:13 (one year ago) link
― vashti funyuns (sic), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 03:15 (one year ago) link
I hate to say it but sometimes Discover Weekly just has my number. Today is a whole bunch of stuff I've never heard of that I'm loving (and it all flows together really well): Sun's Signature, Chris Spedding, Jacco Gardner, Colin Blumstone, THUS LOVE, The Gun Club, Pieter Nooten and Michael Brook ...
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 22:26 (one year ago) link
^MOD NOTE: Please be advised that the "pitchfork sucks" thread is now the designated spot for this discussion topic.
― Phair · Jagger/Richards · Carl Perkins (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link
My new release radar the last couple of weeks has been dire - a lot of vaguely psych, sort of garage but mostly bluesy butt rock, bands that reminded me of college town bar bands from 20 years ago. When it's really bad I wonder how much payola is influencing the algorithm that week.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 22:37 (one year ago) link
Listening to "British Steel" by Judas Priest right now. Guesses on what it serves me when the album is over?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 22:42 (one year ago) link
"The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest"
― Phair · Jagger/Richards · Carl Perkins (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
The answer turned out to be "Lay It Down" by Ratt. I didn't turn it off.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 23:03 (one year ago) link
Followed by "Defenders of the Faith" by Priest (all 1:50 of it), and then "Eruption" (which was weird without "You Really Got Me"). And then "Rock Rock til You Drop" by Def Leppard (fair) and "Sweet Soul Sister" by the Cult (which rules, but which seems out of place with the other stuff).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link
i know this is only tangentially relevant to spotify (anf imo it absolutely does not merit a new topic) but i wanted to ask a general question---
what's up with the deluge of "slowed+reverb" and "sped up" versions of catalogue hits showing under singles?
(don't get me wrong, i like it and have the "sped up" version of sza "snooze" on my radio station presently. just wondering where the phenomenon came from.)
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Thursday, 9 November 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
(also, yes i used to exclusively play some 12" singles on 45 and 7"s on 33 back in the late 90s, simply because i thought the songs sounded better that way. so i get that part of the trend -some people like it- but when it start becoming a real thing?)
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Thursday, 9 November 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
here's a Billboard article about it:https://archive.ph/2ZwYl
― jaymc, Thursday, 9 November 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
nice, ty
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Thursday, 9 November 2023 15:14 (one year ago) link
it bugs me that this one track by the Lightcrust Dough Boys isn't on Spotify. i'm sure that it's not some kind of legal thing, but probably nobody has bothered? doesn't it seem likely that the legal shit has already been approved a long time ago by whatever cell phone conglomerate owns the rights? can i request it? is that how it works?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 9 November 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link
hi i have a serious suggestion. maybe someone else who sympathizes will understand the importance of this. it's in regards to the queue function thanks for listening. i know how tedious i am.
i would like to request a "play next" option in song and album menus. it has "add to queue" but that puts it at the end. if you're like me, you use the queue almost exclusively. and it gets long. oftentimes, i'm discouraged from checking out new songs because it would require me to disrupt the queue. if i want it to play next and not disrupt the queue, i have to add it to the queue, open the queue, scroll all the way down, geab the song, scroll all the way back up, and put it next. i make mistakes frequently because i'm doing this entirely on mobile. a "play next" function (in addition to the "add to queue" function) would be incredibly useful for me.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Thursday, 9 November 2023 20:44 (one year ago) link
yes Play Next would be great
― nashwan, Thursday, 9 November 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
this is literally why i don’t use the queue
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link
TRACER YOU GET IT I FEEL SO SEEN OMG TY
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:38 (one year ago) link
"add to queue" always adds it as the next song in the queue for me?!?!?!
― organ doner (ledge), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:43 (one year ago) link
I use my hands to pick up and eat a sandwich, but I don't MAKE the sandwich in my hands. That is analogically how I feel about the queue.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link
i am baffled by that analogy.
but i've just had a go and on desktop and on phone 'add to queue' adds it as the next track for me, definitely, no question. i can't see any settings that would affect this behaviour.
― organ doner (ledge), Friday, 10 November 2023 09:26 (one year ago) link
But was your queue empty?
― Alba, Friday, 10 November 2023 09:34 (one year ago) link
nope, full queue. playlist or album or autoplay. adding a song or an album or a playlist adds it as the next track or tracks. if i open the queue i then get a 'clear queue' button which clears only the tracks added via 'add to queue.
― organ doner (ledge), Friday, 10 November 2023 10:03 (one year ago) link
oh ok i get it. an album or playlist isn't 'the queue'. even though it shows up in the queue. ok. ignore me. carry on.
― organ doner (ledge), Friday, 10 November 2023 10:04 (one year ago) link
the podcast app Castro allows you to add episodes to the beginning or the end of your play queue. which is nice. 99% of the time i'm adding to the beginning.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 November 2023 10:12 (one year ago) link
Austin, you can drag the song to the top of your queue but I guess that would still be unwieldy if your queue is extremely long. Another workaround would be to add the songs you're listening to to a playlist instead and then when you clicked add to queue on a song it would be the next track to play
― groovypanda, Friday, 10 November 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link
if you’re going to do that you may as well just not use the queue at all
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 November 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
I have that on PocketCast too but the concept of queuing up more than one podcast is, to me, like making a three-course dinner in my hands
― Alba, Friday, 10 November 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
i do it. it is a never ending playlist though
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 10 November 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
Smart Shuffle seems broken at the moment, in that when you have to cycle through it to turn shuffle off in a playlist, the smart shuffle recommendations stay in your queue (and often the shuffle button turns back to green once you click out of your queue)
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:49 (one year ago) link
ever since the most recent update, if i leave the app open on my phone, it will never let my phone sleep. the screen just stays on. if i minimize the app or switch to something else and let it idle, it works like normal and my screen goes dark after a certain period. but if i leave spotify up and idle my phone, it'll never sleep; just sit there, unlocked, screen fully illuminated. mild annoyance but kinda crucial?
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 24 November 2023 01:38 (one year ago) link
Hmm. I haven't seen other reports of that, so maybe Support could help you...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 24 November 2023 04:01 (one year ago) link
That's not happening for me and I also have the most recent update for Android. However, it's a feature I'd like to see implemented (i.e. the option to keep the screen on when Spotify is playing). It would be good to be able to glance at the screen and see what's playing at any time.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 24 November 2023 09:03 (one year ago) link
^try these hacks(?): https://www.uubyte.com/blog/how-to-disable-screen-timeout-for-certain-apps-on-android/
― This field is required (morrisp), Friday, 24 November 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link
Probably a totally unnecessary request but when the white 'blah has been added to blah playlist' box comes up, I *always* want to click on it and a) be reminded of what else is on there and b) check I've not added the track before.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 25 November 2023 20:35 (one year ago) link
ime android and ios both have the feature that tells you if you're adding a song to a playlist that it's already on; a prompt comes up giving me the option to "add anyway" or cancel and go back to the previous screen.
it's very handy.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 25 November 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link
It's wild to me that the random button on a playlist doesn't really randomly play songs from the whole playlist and just assumes you like certain songs and prioritizes then in the queue. So if you have a big playlist there's tons of songs you'll likely never hear.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 27 November 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link
I really wish you could turn that off.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 27 November 2023 22:24 (one year ago) link
it was called "smart shuffle" or something and you used to be able to turn it off. just checked now and if it's still in there, idk where they put it.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Monday, 27 November 2023 23:54 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/in7ZW5y.png
― organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 09:12 (one year ago) link
excellent
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 10:51 (one year ago) link
And yet they could presumably remove their music from Spotify, if they wished.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 11:26 (one year ago) link
I believe they want to but their label has the contractual right to override these wishes.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 12:16 (one year ago) link
They’ve had that up for nearly two years
https://www.stereogum.com/2174490/belly-make-delete-spotify-their-spotify-header-while-exploring-difficult-process-to-leave-platform/news/
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 13:09 (one year ago) link
I think it's just an edgy way of lobbying for people to use the web interface.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
Ah, fuck, they got rid of “Create similar playlist”. That's some bullshit right there.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 30 November 2023 01:41 (one year ago) link
Running that on my top songs of the year always turned up lots of new gems.
Can’t see the hearts/pluses on liked songs in playlists and albums now. Bout ready to switch to something else that’s a dealbreaker for me
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 03:05 (one year ago) link
the new add to playlist functionality is pretty neat, let's you easily see which playlists a song is already in
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 30 November 2023 08:16 (one year ago) link
Queue is a pain. Adding to it puts tracks at the end and my version of Spotify won't let you move the bottom most tracks upwards without substituting a track it highlights from further up the queue. I didn't know you could move tracks in the queue on the mobile. Has that got to to with the phone it's on.
& more recently I've transferred my listening from my phone to my desktop only to find that it keeps flashing up a message saying this track can't be played at this time and flying through the queue. Which only corrects if I restart the computer.
― Stevo, Thursday, 30 November 2023 08:29 (one year ago) link
I move songs up all the time but it isn't very ergonomic when you have a giant queue.
― Confessions of an Oatmeal Eater (I M Losted), Thursday, 30 November 2023 11:42 (one year ago) link
good piece here, providing there are any skeptics left itt:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/30/spotify-smaller-artists-wrapped-indie-musicians
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 30 November 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
Krukowski’s podcast “Ways Of Hearing” about sound and music was really good and I suspect he made far more from it than he’s ever made from Spotify
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 November 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link
Laws are useful. For example, the songwriting portion of royalties is controlled by laws, so it can't be changed (and wouldn't be in this proposal). If the recording portion of royalties were set by law, the same way, they couldn't be changed like this either. Or maybe laws could even streamline the whole insane system by which recording, mechanical and publishing royalties are all now paid and managed separately. Tower Records didn't have to pay three different ways for every CD they sold...
FWIW, the "rate" Damon describes as a "MAX" is an average, and the user-centric model he advocates would have the exact opposite effect from what he claims. Also: if you spend your time relentlessly tell your audience that Spotify is evil, it maybe shouldn't be shocking that your streaming numbers are low.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 01:54 (one year ago) link
what are you saying glenn? it's not spotify's fault, it's the lack of laws that is forcing them to screw over the artists?
― organ doner (ledge), Friday, 1 December 2023 08:04 (one year ago) link
For years I’ve been saying that Spotify’s streaming model would work if they adopted a tiered payout system, but one that is the opposite of that they have adopted— smaller artists get paid more per-stream, bigger artists get paid less. I’d say it’s unsurprising that they’ve done the opposite, but I still find myself surprised at the brazenness of it all
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 1 December 2023 09:59 (one year ago) link
Pretty hard to make professional sports owners look like altruistic saints in comparison but somehow they've done it
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 December 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link
Also: if you spend your time relentlessly tell your audience that Spotify is evil, it maybe shouldn't be shocking that your streaming numbers are low.
I don't think that's the point, and I don't think people like Krukowski are upset about their streaming numbers as much as the payouts those numbers represent. Which, as of January, will be zero for the majority of working artists.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 1 December 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link
this point comes up constantly ott without being addressed in any seriousness by the one man PR team
― Left, Friday, 1 December 2023 13:14 (one year ago) link
I'm sorry i know I'm not supposed to say things like that about people's friends but the constant dissembling and derailing on this particular point is very hard to ignore
― Left, Friday, 1 December 2023 13:18 (one year ago) link
Something else that comes up constantly is that Spotify negotiates with the labels, not those labels’ artists. The labels choose how the pot of money gets divvied up. Something I’ve never understood though is how self-funded and boutique labels work in this system. If you run your own label, and that label has one artist: your band, how do payments work?
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 December 2023 13:34 (one year ago) link
It is not my job, nor hobby, to make or defend Spotify business policy, but I've been on ILM for longer than I've worked at Spotify, and I've worked at Spotify for almost 10 years, so I do at least have useful information sometimes. "Spotify should pay artists more" is not in itself a substantive assertion. Prices and royalty rates are all negotiated. If you want to make a serious proposal for how they could change, you'd have to understand whose power controls how they currently get decided, and have ideas about how to change that power-structure.
My point above was that laws are a way to change the structure. This is particularly relevant to Damon's op-ed because a) he has been advocating for legal regulation of streaming (although he doesn't mention it in this piece, perhaps because it would clash with his complaints in it about laws preventing his "Union" from being a union), and b) the existing laws about publishing royalties prevented them from being affected by this proposal (which he misrepresents in the piece by claiming Spotify "will stop paying anything at all", his italics, which is literally wrong).
To answer the question about labels, the business deals are actually done between distributors and streaming services. In the case of the major labels, they're both label-groups and distributors, so they deal individually. Indie labels are represented by collectives like Merlin.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 14:36 (one year ago) link
(I've also been on ILM long enough to know that there's a limit to how seriously any complicated question can be addressed in this format, but if you want to read me taking on the broad topic of fears about streaming at the scale of about half of a book, hang on until June...)
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link
What I want to know is why my Wrapped (which my daughter made me check out) included songs in my top played list that I have never intentionally played, and listed as my top song a song that I'm sure I have played, but nowhere near as much as some other songs. Is it based exclusively on streaming numbers, as such, or does it include plays of songs I have downloaded to my device?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 December 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
If by "songs I have downloaded to my device" you mean offline streaming, then yes, those count. If you mean local files, then no.
Either way, Wrapped isn't conjectural, it's just counting. Your account played those songs the most. You might have fallen asleep or left your phone playing in your pocket, so whether you appreciated them or not, the data doesn't know.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
how about API plays?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 December 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
(which my daughter made me check out)
hehe
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 December 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Yes, API plays are plays.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
It sort of waters down the significance of the Wrapped data. I mean "Red Clay" starts auto-playing every time I finish listening to a Jazz album, but if "Red Clay" ends up as my top track then what value is that info?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 1 December 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
you can turn off autoplay for the pure wrapped experience
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 December 2023 15:43 (one year ago) link
It's super weird. For example, it says I listened to the Cure more than any other single artist, putting me in the top 3% of Cure listeners. I did listen to them a bunch this year, because the band was touring, but I'm kind of surprised they were the top act I listened to all year. Likewise, toward the top of my songs of the year, there's a track by Justin Townes Earle that I've literally never played on purpose (afaik). So sure, it's possible the automatic player played it multiple times throughout the year, but you'd think there would be songs I played on purpose that I heard more, asleep or no, than songs picked for me. 3108 different songs played this year, the majority of them probably only once or twice, but out of that number surely songs I've played on purpose would place higher than songs I accidentally heard. Right? The most played songs list doesn't say how many times I listen to each song, does it? I assume the vast majority of them are tied at one listen.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 December 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
I will say that I've spent the last two days investigating Wrapped complaints, of which "my top x is wrong" is a common form, and the data is always what it says it is. The real-world explanations are various, including one person who concluded their phone was left playing Spotify in the purse of their bridesmaid during their wedding.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
One weird thing--my kid has been playing a Spotify playlist of Dan Bull minecraft raps over and over for months through the Alexa device. I was certain those would be my top songs, but they weren't. Thank god. Still, odd.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 1 December 2023 16:28 (one year ago) link
re: The most played songs list doesn't say how many times I listen to each song, does it?
it does if you pay attention to your Spotify Wrapped promo results, only for Number 1 though
x number of plays starting on X date
― djmartian, Friday, 1 December 2023 16:28 (one year ago) link
xpost That's the sort of thing I wonder about, too. There are a few songs I'm pretty sure I played a bunch this year as a joke/punchline, like Uptown Funk. (I actually still like that song a lot, but I find it funny to interrupt/disrupt my daughter's Taylor Swift listening with it.)I wonder if anything is thrown off by the fact that I mostly listen to albums? If I listen to two albums by one band, and each of those albums has 20 songs, and listen to three other albums by a second band, and each of those albums only have 10 songs, will the data say I listened to the first band more than the second?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 December 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
many clients send songs to other users playing songs you've recently heard, right? I wonder if sometimes there's a glitch counting those transmissions as plays.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 December 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
my top 5 songs are from Jessy Lanza's new record. It's great and all but I must've fallen asleep with it on repeat. Top .05% fans! <3
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 December 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
I'm no longer using spotify, but back when I did wrapped was never particularly interesting to me mostly because the top tracks were inevitably always whatever songs my kids were obsessed with + a bunch tracks kept being being pushed by auto-play. I don't tend to listen to some track or album obsessively so my own personal favorites can't ever really compete.
― silverfish, Friday, 1 December 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
"What Is Love (7" mix)" by Haddaway made my top 20 thanks to my partner's habit of asking the smart speaker in the kitchen (linked to my account, not hers) for that tune as a recurring joke. (I think she actually loves Haddaway). Slips in nicely next to Harold Budd, Pye Corner Audio and Christina Vantzou.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 1 December 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
Wait. People actually complain to Spotify that their Wrapped top songs are wrong?! xps
― groovypanda, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
And to ILM!
― Alba, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
My Wrapped is always skewed by ambient/drone artists as intend to listen to them every night to fall asleep and sometimes forget to set a sleep timer. That said, Selfish Soul & 18 and Over made my top 5 which feels right as they've been two of the constants on my 'current' playlist the entire year
― groovypanda, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
ILM seems perfectly valid, like you might discuss/bitch about them to your mates too xpBut actually emailing Spotify to complain seems sheesh. Assume it's people wanting to share their exemplary music taste.on social media being ruined by Baby Shark or whatever appearing in their Top 5
― groovypanda, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link
I wonder if people think someone's hacked their account. I had to change my password after I noticed all this Latin Trap music in my recently played songs.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 1 December 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
People complain about everything. Just, in general.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link
Automatic plays are a form of marketing, and Spotify Wrapped is a form of marketing. You are being advertised to. It's not a scientific study of anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the data from Wrapped Top Tracks to demonstrate the effectiveness of Autoplay as a marketing tool.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 1 December 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
Really don't need you giving "them" more ideas.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 1 December 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
this is an interesting idea from Amelia Fletcher:
In a user-centric model, “each subscriber’s payment would be shared proportionally between the tracks that individual listens to,” explains Fletcher. “So if you have someone who’s really enthusiastic about indie music, that money would get shared out among the artists that they listen to. More would be allocated per track if they listen carefully to fewer tracks than if they just have music playing all the time in the background.”
seems fair!
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 1 December 2023 22:09 (one year ago) link
How would you measure that, though?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 1 December 2023 22:45 (one year ago) link
"Spotify should pay artists more" is not in itself a substantive assertion.
yeah it is actually
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link
just admit that the company you work for has a business model of exploiting the artists who provide the majority of the value of the service. really simple and obvious point irrespective of how we might differ in terms of a solution.
i work for an evil company too, okay? it's okay.
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link
otm, just because the laws "as written" let the company rip their content creators off doesn't mean it's the right thing for the company to be doing.
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:15 (one year ago) link
I know several small-scale musicians who are just so bummed out about the streaming model, just more chipping away at the revenue for people who are on the bottom of the food chain while the revenue moves up to the top ever increasingly.
― omar little, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:18 (one year ago) link
i can't wait for the worldwide smash by the artist who refuses to record anything and the only time anyone can hear the song is when the artist performs it.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link
take that, spotify business model.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:41 (one year ago) link
(but honestly you can't fight it at this point, it's too big. the only way to remedy the situation is for more huge legacy acts like neil and joni to remove their catalogue... but like, from everywhere not just spotify)
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:43 (one year ago) link
budo jero, whoever you are and whatever evil company you work for, do you have a helpful contrasting example of a company that is not ripping off artists?
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:11 (one year ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, December 1, 2023 bookmarkflaglink
haha fair.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:12 (one year ago) link
I don’t know the intricacies of Tidal’s contract but my understanding is that they at least pay significantly more per stream (still a small amount) and aren’t getting rid of payments to smaller artists. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong! It’s probably still a rip-off run by unsavory people, I just prefer to use them bc I have less of a sense that their business model regards musicians as an unfortunate byproduct of the content delivery game.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:16 (one year ago) link
I like this idea that the corporate music industry has always been a noble endeavor that cared deeply about the artists until Spotify came along and wrecked everything.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:19 (one year ago) link
that user centric model needs a lil work imo - somebody who "carefully" listens to one track per month gives $10 to the label that distributed it, and somebody else who listens to 100 different tracks all on different labels gives each label 1 cent
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:19 (one year ago) link
xp I own a copy of Hit Men, that is not what I was implying, but my point was that saying "well it's legal" is a copout
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:22 (one year ago) link
and indie labels can be just as bad *cough* SST *cough*
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:23 (one year ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, December 1, 2023 6:11 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i knew you wouldn't be able to do it. speaks for itself.
― budo jeru, Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, December 1, 2023 6:19 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
brilliant stuff here
― budo jeru, Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link
A substantive statement that I make freely is that Daniel Ek should be flayed, and his flesh cooked and force-fed to the Spotify board and primary shareholders, but my pitches for an op-ed proposing just this have had no takers to date
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
now you're talking
― budo jeru, Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:36 (one year ago) link
I like this idea that the corporate music industry has always been a noble endeavor that cared deeply about the artists until Spotify came along and wrecked everything.― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, December 1, 2023 6:19 PM
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, December 1, 2023 6:19 PM
good point but i think the big gripe here is that we should have evolved past the ripoff deal being the default. spotify def ain't helpin.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:14 (one year ago) link
Tidal pays the same way as Spotify (and Apple, Amazon and Deezer): ~70% of revenue as royalties, split up pro-rata. If you just do the global math for the overall average rate per stream, Tidal's is higher because they have a $20 tier and a $10 tier and no ad-supported tier (and they operate in fewer poorer countries than Spotify). But a $10 Tidal subscription generates the same $7 of royalties as a $10 Spotify subscription, and payments are done per-country-per-tier, not from a single global pool. In terms of your personal contribution as a listener, paying $20 is contributing twice as much money to music as $10, but agreeing to let you pay more money is not exactly moral superiority or generosity. Paying $10/month and occasionally buying band t-shirts is also fine.
All the major streaming services operate the same basic way. This is not at all coincidental, since they all have to negotiate with the same 3 major labels for the necessary rights to operate. This idea about a minimum payment threshold, which Deezer and Spotify have so far announced, doesn't benefit the streaming services at all, therefore one has to imagine that the motivation for it comes from the labels, and thus that Apple and Amazon are at least likely to be pressured to adopt it as well.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:53 (one year ago) link
glenn - does ad revenue from the free tier get factored into royalties somehow, or does that stay in Spotify’s pocket?
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:35 (one year ago) link
The free tier is the same: 70% of revenue paid as royalties. Think of the advertisers as paying for the listener’s subscription.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 11:29 (one year ago) link
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 15:33 (one year ago) link
so the money for signings like Rogan don't come from that 70% pool?
― bulb after bulb, Saturday, 2 December 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
Nope. Nor marketing, nor salaries, nor offices.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
The bitching about streaming is so entitled and annoying. Streaming services provide no effort, passive income for artists. There are artists who make millions off one song on Spotify. Musicians sign contracts. Those contracts include streaming. If the artist wants full control, they need to make that decision before selling out to a label in order to chase fame. Otherwise they would self release, own 100% and decide whether to offer their music on Spotify etc. Without streaming musicians would be worse off. Every musician is responsible for their music being on the platform. They made the choice. They need to shut up about it, write better music, or take control of their fate, leave their labels and DIY. I buy a 20 or so new LPs a month. I pay for Spotify family and Apple Music. The bitching about streaming is so tired and wrong. Get over it. Musicians made their bed, now it’s time they made their music better so more people want to hear it more often.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
Bad take!
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
lol I thought that was a parody
― omar little, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link
Everyone says that but nobody says why I’m wrong. Are artists not signing contracts? Is their music being stolen by Spotify? If so, they should take legal action. I’m reasonable, and can change my mind. Maybe we need an “artist class” where they all get UBI and can just focus on their art. I love music, I spend a lot of money on music every month. The hate for streaming is just baffling. Take way streaming and what happens? Piracy increases and an overall reduction in the amount of music being pressed and release. Indie artists won’t be more popular or more rich if Spotify shut down.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link
Is their music being stolen by Spotify?
Short answer: yes! Long answer: yes, but it’s complicated!
I have long argued that Spotify’s platform and catalogue is utopian, that it is wonderful in concept, and that I would not in any way go back to a pre-2000 physical media based economy. I have also long argued that the medium of recorded music is in its “late Vaudeville” stage, whereby it’s value is decreasing rapidly to being “negligible”, and that musicians have to adjust their business models if they hope to make music professionally.
But What Spotify Is Doing is absolutely theft, and should be punishable with flaying and cannibalism; although Spotify is obv not the only guilty party here. The majority of recorded music rights is owned by (what amounts to) holding companies, and it is they who have negotiated for low-profit models that are acceptable for the assets they hold. These models do not create a tenable economy for new content creators to profit off their music.
In short: a single stream is worth $0.00003 (or whatever the hilarious number is) not because musicians have signed contracts, but because “the big three”— who not-coincidentally are also major shareholders in Spotify— have agreed to dilute the worth of recorded music to this point.
There are clear and easy ways to “fix streaming”, beyond my always-standing proposal that Daniel Ek be murdered and eaten. Ironically, the move that Spotify is making next year runs counter the ways streaming could be “fixed”;
1. Reform the free-with-ads model to be more profitable, and/or eliminate it entirely
2. Adopt a scaled-pay system, whereby artists with certain (lower) streaming numbers receive a higher per-play royalty, artists who are affiliated with x y or z (label or publishing house) have a negotiated per-play royalty afforded to them; this would come at the expense of high-stream artists and/or “legacy artists”; that is, artists whose work is entirely owned by holding company equivalents. This model is so obviously beneficial to adopt and the fact that it is not even under consideration (for obvious reasons; it limits the hegemony that holding companies have on DSP profits) makes it clear that Spotify and their allies seek not only to destroy independent music but “living content creators as a whole”
3. If governments were to step in, it could (?) be mandated that DSPs be required to be union-owned and/or publicly owned, which makes more sense from any perspective
4. Many other goddamn obvious solutions.
I appreciate glenn macdonald’s engagement on this topic but my intuition disbelieves his assertions. It has been 18 months since I last pored over Spotify’s reports to bask in the entire glaring light of this travesty, and I’d need to refresh my numbers before actually crying foul on any specifics. Maybe I will today? Maybe not, I have to score an Air BnB commercial today so I can afford Christmas presents for my nieces and, like, my rent
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link
― omar little, Saturday, December 2, 2023 1:14 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I refuse to believe it isn't
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link
Without streaming musicians would be worse off.
find me one indie or jazz artist over 30 who agrees with this
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link
*raises hand*
I love streaming! But the models that are currently in place were not set up by the right people— that is, the people who actually record the music— and need to be forcibly dismantled and replaced
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
I was under the impression musicians signed contracts with labels and those contracts would include streaming details. Is this incorrect?
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link
You’re deliberately missing the point!
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
I imagine atm some power users (including speakers in shops/cafes blaring algorithm-curated playlists) stack up many more plays than normal music fan type users - and it does seem a bit unfair if they get a bigger say in who gets paid (also seems like this is what enables monetizing fake streams)
I dunno why I had never thought of this user-centric solution before but it really seems neat
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:13 (one year ago) link
Just as an analog: look at what has happened with TV and film streaming. We are in a halcyon period of fantastic profits, fantastic art being created, largely because streaming services (by and large) are owned and operated by the producers of said content. There is an understanding that filmed media requires a business model that allows for the viability of new content to be created, and for that content to be profitable. The TV and film industry has been able to effectively surf the wave of 21st century easy-piracy-options by providing (generally) excellent streaming services matched with (generally) excellent content, both new and legacy. Why cannot such models exist for recorded music?
I am curious about how Steam works and how game devs feel about it, in this same line of inquiry
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
Nobody negotiates per-stream rates. This is the most fundamental misunderstanding. The “stream rate” is just the result of the division of this month’s royalty pool by this month’s play-count.
The variables are subscription price, royalty %, and activity level. Current services have various prices (if you include family plans and bundles and such), but all have basically the same deal on %: the service keeps 30%, 70% goes to royalties. That’s a smaller cut than record stores/distributors took in the CD era. Activity levels might also vary, but nobody publishes those.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Comparing a 70/30 cut with “what labels used to take” in the physical media era is a false equivalency; Spotify isn’t handling manufacture and distribution of physical media
And no, per-stream rates aren’t scaled— well, they will be, next year, when sub-1000 payout is eliminated— but they could be scaled; there are many possible methods of creating a tenable business model here! if the people in charge were interested in doing so, rather than this predatory gut-the-industry practice they’re engaging in
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
And no disrespect to intuitions, but my “assertions” about the user-centric model are based on running the numbers for it on actual Spotify data. Not sample data, full actual data, every month for years. You don’t have to trust me, but either I’m lying or it’s the most authoritative information possible.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
30% is also less than Apple took in the iTunes download era.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:12 (one year ago) link
And no manufacturing, true, but plenty of distribution. Also, your record store didn’t have to provide you with home CD storage and collection management tools.
But if you think 30% is too much, that’s an opinion. Bandcamp takes only 15% (but they do less). If all streaming services could operate sustainably on 15% of revenue, artists would get 21% more than they get today. Would that be “fair”?
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link
What if the streaming services cost $100 a month.
― bae (sic), Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:32 (one year ago) link
I was gonna say that the cost of the plans really should be higher. $10/month for unlimited on-demand streaming seems… unbalanced compared to how recorded music has traditionally been priced.
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
(I know there’s traditionally a tipping point at which people would resort to piracy, but maybe not so much now? Downloading MP3s and loading them into a phone is a PITA in todays world)
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:37 (one year ago) link
well, presumably since spotify's income follows that of the labels/artists they would raise the subscription price if they thought it was viable? I'm sure people with excel sheets have looked into this
what's your take on the user-centric model Glenn? would it not really make a difference?
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
Help me understand this. (Asking in good faith, not facetiously.) Because this is the part that always irritates me in the vilification of Spotify. You’re saying the Big Three negotiated the deals and are shareholders in Spotify… yet all the outrage is directed at Spotify and not the Big Three. And also how can you point at the Big Three negotiating the deals and they say the problem is not that musicians signed contracts with their labels, who did a poor job of representing them in this negotiation? The only scenario I see that isn’t about “musicians signed the contracts” is all the artists who aren’t on majors, because the majors’ scale and influence is so vast that they set precedent for everyone.
Not to be a Gen X Punk about it but the history of musicians getting fucked over the years are due to the corporate labels (your Big Three).
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link
― Alba, Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link
But the 12-CD a year person is getting a ton more value for roughly the same yearly outlay (even if they’re not taking advantage of it).presumably since spotify's income follows that of the labels/artists they would raise the subscription price if they thought it was viable?“Viable” in what sense, though? Maximizing their profits, sure; but maybe at the expense of a still-“viable” but less profitable business that would pay out more to artists?
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
they would raise the subscription price if they thought it was viable
what if they hadn't launched with a price calculated to make people eschew other methods of music consumption
― bae (sic), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:32 (one year ago) link
I’m lying or it’s the most authoritative information possible.
Didn’t mean to imply that you were lying— I acknowledge that my wording did just that, and for that I apologize— just that I recall that an examination of the financial reports yielded some obvious opportunities for artist-friendly restructuring.
The point I tried to make, and felt I did make, and make again: the amount per-play that is offered by Spotify was negotiated by the business itself and holding companies who had no loyalty toward/no interest in fostering a profitable model for working musicians, and as a result, the value of “listening to a song” has deprecated to a point that working musicians can no longer look to recording music (for the purpose of DSP distribution) as a meaningful form of income— and that DSPs have replaced most other income sources for recorded music (beyond commercial endeavors like film scoring).
Comparing rates to iMusic’s rates is irrelevant— iMusic did not significantly deprecate the value of recorded music, as DSPs have done.
Steaming models could be created, simply, easily, effortlessly, that would allow for working musicians to look to “making albums” etc. as a viable career; this will not happen as long as the DSP models are designed by people who don’t have a vested interest in it.
As far as I’m concerned, Spotify has not restructured the recorded music industry, it has restructured the piracy industry; it has found ways of profiting off of existing catalogues by devaluing their use while foisting the same devaluation on working musicians. It is theft and it should be outlawed. Yes, musicians sign contracts agreeing to this devaluations; there is no other option (beyond giving up entirely and finding other income streams).
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link
yet all the outrage is directed at Spotify and not the Big Three
... is there a lack of outrage directed at major labels?
The only scenario I see that isn’t about “musicians signed the contracts” is all the artists who aren’t on majors, because the majors’ scale and influence is so vast that they set precedent for everyone.
Spotify cutting sweetheart deals with the majors to protect itself from the outset, screwing non-major label artists even more than major label artists is the crux of the issue, no?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link
no one who works for these companies should have their defenses of these companies taken seriously.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:38 (one year ago) link
Oh come now I’m enjoying this, table! I mentioned my work today for Air BnB so as to generate camaraderie wrt “getting paid by shitheads”
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:42 (one year ago) link
Generally I think this is a problem unsolvable by capitalism, once something has been devalued there's no reset button. The era of a relatively large number of people making a living from selling recorded music should probably be treated as a historic anomaly at this point as streaming is never going to be profitable enough to raise rates significantly and only a small portion of people will pay for owning digital music via Bandcamp/successors even if streaming dies.
The only way out are things like robust public funding for the arts and a social system that gives those people room to make art without it being a profitable endeavor, etc..
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:46 (one year ago) link
the Patreon / 1000 True Fans model is probably the future for most acts who want to make a living at it.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:51 (one year ago) link
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/music
I guess there aren't a lot of bands doing the Patreon model (the only one I know of is Haley Dahl/Sloppy Jane) but sad lol that almost all of these are reviewers or Youtubers. And Pomplamoose.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
We've moved from a world where people were in control of their files (whether that be music, photos or films) to one where music is streamed, photos are stored in the cloud and films are distributed across a number of streaming services, and liable to disappear at any time, and a lot of this is due to pressure from media companies to seize back control after their panic over Napster and bittorrent. Of course they don't even bother cracking down on file sharing these days, we have a generation who don't even know there's any alternative to streaming and cloud storage, so safe to say they've won the battle. For artists it has been a disaster, yes - but from an archivist POV it seems catastrophic.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 2 December 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:01 (one year ago) link
milo z otm. Recorded music being in its “vaudeville stage” doesn’t mean the creation of new work is going to disappear, but it will— like chamber music, like theatre, like dance— require funding models (private or public) in order to be a viable career choice
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:02 (one year ago) link
Relative to the amount of vitriol directed at Spotify? Yes I think there is a lack of outrage directed at major labels.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:06 (one year ago) link
i am not arguing any moral high ground, but after watching tons of excellent queer films get removed from Netflix over the course of a year or so around 2011-2012, i stopped using Spotify (and netflix, for a few years) and started either buying or pirating all the music that i have.i won’t have my tastes or desires subject to the whims of a corporation any more than they already are. i don’t mind putting music from my laptop onto my phone— it’s the way i have always done it! takes only a few minutes! i keep getting offers to try Apple Music for free and the answer is always, always NO.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link
Imagine if music streaming worked like movie/TV streaming, and albums were licensed exclusively, and would randomly come and go from a different services… or maybe you could only hear Universal releases on Universal’s app (etc.); and listeners would have to subscribe to several different services to hear what they wanted. That would be wild! I’m not really sure what my point is, except I wonder if it would cause listeners to value the music more, by making it seem less commodified. I guess it wouldn’t benefit the artists any, if the prices were the same.
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:48 (one year ago) link
(although maybe they’d get a bigger cut if the music was being distributed directly by the label… or so you would hope)
― This field is required (morrisp), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link
remember a few years back when kanye tried to have his album exclusively on tidal? i saw hella bootleg vinyl copies at amoeba just a few weeks after the announcement. then the album went on all other platforms a few months later.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link
I've had the thought now and then that the music equivalent of the Criterion Channel would be interesting, maybe more lucrative for the artists... maybe that's what Bandcamp has presented itself to be?
― that's when I reach for my copy of Revolver (WmC), Saturday, 2 December 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link
The user-centric model would generally benefit the most popular artists at the expense of the less popular ones. This is because the people who stream the least tend to only know the popular artists (the "12-CD collection" people, as Alba put it, aren't going to have 12 obscure CDs), and the people who stream more than average are the ones who tend to know the obscure artists. The effect is mostly small (5-10%ish). But that's a lot larger than the 0.5% effect of the 1000-stream threshold, and both are regressive in the economic sense. The pro-rata method allows the most-active listeners to redirect a little bit of money to the less-popular artists they listen to.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 3 December 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
This is probably a stupid idea, but could there be some sort of tip jar pop-up on a streaming UI. Like, “you’re really playing a lot of Caterina Barbieri lately, consider a direct payment to artist/label/representative” and there’s £5, £10, £20 options, maybe even a recurring payment, and Spotify take a small admin cut. If it’s Brian Eno you hit “don’t ask me again” cos Brian is doing ok. And maybe it’s algorithmically directed at the sub-billion level artists or smthg. Perhaps this is already there and I’ve missed it :/
― Michael Jones, Sunday, 3 December 2023 09:10 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure there is something like that already in place
― groovypanda, Sunday, 3 December 2023 09:27 (one year ago) link
Is there? I end up buying on Bandcamp for that purpose, to give a more substantial chunk of change to artists I like, particularly lesser-known ones. Most of the time I don't even use the MP3s I purchase; I just end up listening to the album on Spotify for convenience!
― Vinnie, Sunday, 3 December 2023 11:44 (one year ago) link
Which I guess gives them an extra $0.07 or whatever, whooo
― Vinnie, Sunday, 3 December 2023 11:49 (one year ago) link
funny how Soundcloud never comes up in these conversations. kind of incredible how thoroughly they’ve managed to whiff on the opportunities in front of them
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 December 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link
Just checked and not all artists but some (eg tomberlin) have a 'Fan Support' paypalme link on their profile xps
― groovypanda, Sunday, 3 December 2023 13:55 (one year ago) link
xp You can listen to the music you buy on Bandcamp directly on Bandcamp, btw.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 3 December 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link
Speaking of pirating, how do people do that now? I buy all of my music physical, I don't use Spotify, and I try to use Bandcamp as much as possible, but I still wind up with some records that have no digital counterpart.
Is Pirate Bay the thing?
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 3 December 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
Soulseek still
― Alba, Sunday, 3 December 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Went to tomberlin on Spotify and I see the link now. Not sure I've ever noticed it for any other artist but maybe my brain ignores it
Thanks for the tip, Christine
― Vinnie, Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link
Cow_Art, Soulseek is still the thing— newest update is a little buggy but still works
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:07 (one year ago) link
Imagine we were in a world where you either had to buy physical media or you had to rely on radio / broadcast for hearing music. Home taping / sharing is illegal, no streaming anywhere (no free YouTube plays). In this scenario, do more artists make a living from their music than in today’s environment?
― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
how many artists make a living from their music now?
― rob, Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link
xp Isn’t that just the world of the 1990s? Or are you saying all of today’s technology exists, but somehow YouTube and streaming haven’t been developed (which is a weird hypothetical)?
― This field is required (morrisp), Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:36 (one year ago) link
I’m saying if you take away streaming and illegal copying of music, and you cannot play any song just by searching it on YouTube, does that environment help musicians or hurt musicians compared to today’s reality.
― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 3 December 2023 17:18 (one year ago) link
morris otm, i was like "don't have to imagine, already lived it."
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Sunday, 3 December 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
STRAWMAN ALERT
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 3 December 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
For artists it has been a disaster, yes - but from an archivist POV it seems catastrophic.
obv all true but its worth noting that some of the more dedicated invite-only t0rr3nt sites still serve as incredible archives. of course you need the invite AND they’re liable to go down at any given time (rip what, still mourning your loss…)
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 3 December 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
A little of topic, but what bothers me the most is how much bands have to charge for vinyl. I say this as an active touring musician who works the merch table.
Everyone is nice and sort of acknowledges that vinyl is somewhat overpriced because most bands don’t make much from Spotify. But it just seems backwards to me. True fans who come out to the show and buy merch should be rewarded for their effort and enthusiasm, not have to make up for everyone else who listens to the music for free.
― bbq, Monday, 4 December 2023 02:40 (one year ago) link
CDs are the answer!
― This field is required (morrisp), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link
(Not the answer to why vinyl is so expensive, but how to support the artist and buy a great-sounding format for a more reasonable price)
― This field is required (morrisp), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:19 (one year ago) link
I’m with you. I love CD’s. But they have the largest difference of production cost vs sale cost. A lot of indie artists in the 90s/00s did pretty well from selling 50 thousand CD’s.
I swear that I’m a red blooded American capitalist, but there is just something about this current model that really rubs me wrong. I’m sure that most of us are old enough to remember buying basically any classic rock record used for under 5 or 10 dollars. And it just seemed right. Like ya, Born To Run should be 4.99 at Second Hand Tunes.
I liken it to a bar having to overcharge for a beer. We all know that an Old Style costs under a dollar at the store. But because I’m at a bar and there’s people and a vibe happening we’ll both pretend that it should cost 3 dollars. But if you try to charge 6 dollars it just seems wrong. I feel we are at 6 dollars for an Old Style now for vinyl records and CD’s too for that matter.
I guess I just wish there was a more equatable way for fans of bands to support them. If I ever figure it out I’ll let you know.
― bbq, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link
Because the PayPal link direct to the band mentioned a few posts above just seems lame. Like a fan shouldn’t be compelled to just give a band money for nothing or to absolve their guilty conscience. Ahh. Whatever. I’m old.
― bbq, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:57 (one year ago) link
More bands should sell CDs. The number of albums available only on either expensive vinyl or dipshit shoddy cassettes but not CD is nuts. I assume it makes financial sense for the performers (?) but it sucks.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 4 December 2023 09:29 (one year ago) link
Yay Spotify managed to make legal music piracy have an 80%+ market share, of which they have a near monopoly, while also making it almost impossible for the (relative) middle-class non-hobbyist musician to survive by requiring 4,000+ streams to get paid the equivalent of one $12 album sale. And yet with that stranglehold on listeners and artists, they supposedly can't even turn a profit (gee, make music worth nearly zero, and can't squeeze a profit out of that) and as such is firing another 1,500 (17% of the company) as the third round of layoffs this year. All while funneling $100,000,000+ to military tech.
These techno-wizard libertarians really are the fucking best, thank god they saved music from antiquated concepts.
― Soundslike, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:08 (one year ago) link
But hey fuck all that, my Spotify Wrapped was dope, it's like they really get me, man.
― Soundslike, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:11 (one year ago) link
hey don't forget the $100,000,000 to idiot racist podcasters
― organ doner (ledge), Monday, 4 December 2023 11:12 (one year ago) link
Anyway, hope your job's safe with all the cuts, glenn.
― Alba, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:16 (one year ago) link
by requiring 4,000+ streams to get paid the equivalent of one $12 album salethis seems a bit unfair in that with a normal deal artists would probably receive somewhere around 10% of the albums sales price
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:30 (one year ago) link
Well, given the existence (till the techbros destroy it) of Bandcamp, it's not *that* unfair. But ok--say it "only" takes 400 streams (or say, 40 full play-throughs of a ten-track album) to make your fraction (split with label, bandmates, producers, etc.) of the $1.20 you apparently would've made in the old days...
The math still equals "completely fucked" and legalized piracy by the techfucks.
― Soundslike, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:37 (one year ago) link
Sure, I agree
perhaps inevitable that the price of digital music distribution would to some extent reflect the cost - and sharing digital files is basically free (compared to producing and distributing cds) and something that requires litte/no expertise
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:48 (one year ago) link
I mean, no one was ever buying CDs or records as expensive coasters. The value, generally, wasn't in the object per se, but in the art (or if we must, the "intellectual property").
Techbros said, whoa, we can cut out the physical costs, sweet. And then they said, oh, and the IP is worth literal microfractions of a penny.
And then they made listeners, to whom all of this was how sausage was made, believe the fair price for music was basically zero (or maybe $6.99 all-you-can-eat or whatever they charge).
And then via bullshit like Spotify Wrapped™ and other propaganda they made people feel warm and fuzzy about their (almost literally worthless to the artists unless they were Taylor Swift or Beyonce) "love" and "fandom" of artists.
So the relative supposed cost savings of streaming vs physical media is hardly the explanation for the theft from artists. (And, streaming ultimately uses more natural resources than a CD...)
― Soundslike, Monday, 4 December 2023 11:58 (one year ago) link
i am forever grateful for posts like Soundslike’s. The apathy and bizarre defense of verifiable corporate swindling around Spotify is mindblowing to me.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 4 December 2023 12:29 (one year ago) link
If a fast food or retail chain exploited workers as egregiously and as unapologetically as Spotify does, people would be in the streets burning cars
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 4 December 2023 13:32 (one year ago) link
This idea of fair price was set long before Spotify showed up. How many of the hundreds of albums most of us heard between say, 2005 and 2010 were actually purchased?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link
Funny you should ask about my job. Everything I said above still holds, and now you can trust me on that.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 4 December 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link
Legit sorry to hear that, glenn. Terrible time of year for this sort of thing to happen, too. I'm not sure I know too many people right now whose employment isn't precarious. I hope you find something else soon, and also hope you can enjoy the silver lining of getting a few weeks rest and hopefully a severance package
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 4 December 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
Xp I think we forget that streaming and downloading was considered the “solution” to the Napster era when no one was getting paid and physical media sales collapsed. Of course with streaming it ended up the tech people and the record companies of course took care of themselves first, which is the problem, especially now that no one buys downloads except us weirdos.
― Tapioca by Jean Sibelius (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 4 December 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
xpost to Glenn, you were the first (only) person I thought of when I saw the news, sorry to hear.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 December 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link
Oh I'm really sorry to hear that, Glenn.
― Alba, Monday, 4 December 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
Adding to the chorus – sorry & hang in there, Glenn... hope you're in a good position to unplug & unwind over the holidays, and start the new year fresh.
― This field is required (morrisp), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
:( that sucks glenn and I'm sorry to hear it
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link
Here’s to getting a new gig soon, glenn.
― the new drip king (DJP), Monday, 4 December 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link
best of luck in finding something new, Glenn.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
Best of luck, Glenn.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 4 December 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
Hope Glenn finds another job as satisfyingly suited to his skills and interests, or at least better enjoys posting on ILX for a while
Hundreds tbh.
― bae (sic), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:03 (one year ago) link
Well there you go. Piracy nbd.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:15 (one year ago) link
right question, wrong audience
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link
sorry to hear that glenn, I'm sure you'll work wonders somewhere else
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 4 December 2023 20:39 (one year ago) link
otm corrs. discrepancies about the format aside, you're an asset wherever you end up glenn.
(pls keep posting on ilm)
― she fell asleep with her hand around my throat (Austin), Monday, 4 December 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link
Sorry to hear it Glenn. All the best.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:00 (one year ago) link
yep, best of luck glenn.
― organ doner (ledge), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
Very sorry to hear this Glenn, I hope we've all appreciated your insight and assistance itt. Really above and beyond.
― nashwan, Monday, 4 December 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link
^ echoing this!
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
Really sorry to hear this Glenn.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:32 (one year ago) link
Wishing you all the very best, Glenn. I've always valued your contributions to this thread. Your employers are silly sausages to be letting you go.
― mike t-diva, Monday, 4 December 2023 23:50 (one year ago) link
Echoing all the well wishes Glenn. Hopefully once the dust has settled you'll be in a better place and can spill the tea if you feel so inclined (and/or are legally able to).
― The Ghost Club, Monday, 4 December 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link
I read how it went down, getting an email from HR "within two hours" of Ek sending an email. Really impeccable bedside manner there, right before Xmas as well
Unless you've been like reheating fish lunches in the office microwave it seems insane they would let someone with your obvious passion and skills go Glenn
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 00:16 (one year ago) link
Best wishes Glenn
― Tapioca by Jean Sibelius (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link
Good luck Glenn, you have been valuable here.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link
so so sorry to hear this glenn. hope you're able to find a new gig soon and that you are able to keep everynoise archived at least.
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link
That’s some bullshit Glenn, I’m sorry.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 02:28 (one year ago) link
I'm so sorry, Glenn. Thank you for all the help you've offered us over the years and best of luck with your next gig.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link
Looks like Glenn's book can be pre-ordered on Amazon ahead of its June release - You Have Not Yet Heard Your Favourite Song: How Streaming Changes Music Kindle Edition. Count me in...
― aworks, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
I didn't know Glenn was writing a book, I look forward to reading that. Although, I wonder if the description on the cover of him as "Spotify's data alchemist" will be changed now. Commiserations Glenn, I love everynoise and use it a lot. I saw the note on your blog and I really hope it doesn't disappear, you've put too much work into it.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link
Joining the chorus of appreciation for Glenn's efforts here over the years, and hoping something better's ahead.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 08:51 (one year ago) link
A lot more than just the cover will have to be changed. But at least this happened in time for that.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link
wtf are they doing, is my next year's favourite genre going to be just "pop"? No fun. Might switch to some other thing. Interested to hear where you get from here Glenn. Sorry.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link
Good luck glenn
― nxd, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
Glenn, so sorry. I do hope we can look forward to further feats of music data alchemy!
― bendy, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
Sorry to hear it glenn; sent you a PM
― stet, Friday, 8 December 2023 04:31 (one year ago) link
stet’s gonna hook you up with a lifetime supply of Zing Touch.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 15 December 2023 04:53 (one year ago) link
just came here from the furia blog - sorry to hear that glenn, ENAO was fantastic. sucks, especially with that book coming out. ingrates. good luck with whatever you do next.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2023 09:57 (one year ago) link
You elevated them Glenn. Excited to see wherever you go next.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 December 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
I hope Glenn won't mind if I link directly to that post here; it's relevant to the subject of this thread and includes some wisdom about corporate employment I wish I had encountered a decade or so ago.
https://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=473
― Brad C., Sunday, 17 December 2023 22:12 (one year ago) link
without exception the best things i've done at work, the things i'm most proud of, were in little windows when no one was minding the store
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 December 2023 00:38 (one year ago) link
> The advice industry, like most modern industries, encodes a sneaky bias to sustain corporatism by implicitly casting individual adaptation as the only medium for change.
Oh this is my hobbyhorse and once it was pointed out, I saw it everywhere -- tort lawsuits instead of safe products, patient "choice" instead of medical access, recycling and electric vehicles, and on and on and on
― bendy, Monday, 18 December 2023 15:24 (one year ago) link
YouTube continues to be vexed by the ease of pricey piracy with tools like 4k downloader that convert youtube to mp3 - how will they stop this menace
― | (Latham Green), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
Does anyone know what to do with an mp3 anymore?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
plain disgusting
https://i.imgur.com/eDnEj7w.png
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 21 December 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link
...but in truth
https://images.app.goo.gl/6fsgLjEaj35HKSXv7
― bendy, Thursday, 21 December 2023 14:19 (one year ago) link
attempt two:
https://x.com/JazzMemes_/status/1236284512025313281?s=20
― bendy, Thursday, 21 December 2023 14:20 (one year ago) link
who writes the furia blog? David Brooks?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 21 December 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
xp haha that's v good
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― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 21 December 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
Glenn McDonald. xp
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Thursday, 21 December 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link
Pp
― mike t-diva, Friday, 22 December 2023 10:47 (one year ago) link
Anyone else get nearly half live tracks on the their Release Radar today? Not sure if it's a quirk of the algorithm or just that record companies aren't releasing studio recorded material this week much
― Alba, Friday, 22 December 2023 12:07 (one year ago) link
Spotty keeps defaulting to smart shuffle which is a bit annoying
― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Friday, 22 December 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link
My Release Radar is the usual 200 tracks and over 14 Hours. However over 120 are repeated from last week.link:https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZEVXbna71kiV69B1?si=68wT47W_SCCoKevNHVvinw&pi=e-IUdSrtk8Q7mTHowever this time of the year if the artists you follow aren't releasing music it will be reduced.
― djmartian, Friday, 22 December 2023 20:02 (one year ago) link
how on earth do you get a 200 track release radar?
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 23 December 2023 11:32 (eleven months ago) link
Systems thinking
― Alba, Saturday, 23 December 2023 11:33 (eleven months ago) link
Search doesn't work for me at all lately on Mac desktop app. Lots of issues lately (couldn't play anything for quite a while the other day after multiple restarts).
― nashwan, Saturday, 23 December 2023 13:22 (eleven months ago) link
Nor does clicking through to an album from a playlist entry work now.
― nashwan, Saturday, 23 December 2023 13:24 (eleven months ago) link
I guess you just need to follow lots and lots and lots of artists xps
― groovypanda, Saturday, 23 December 2023 20:43 (eleven months ago) link
Alba at 5:33 23 Dec 23Systems thinkinglol deep cut
― jaymc, Saturday, 23 December 2023 21:54 (eleven months ago) link
I hope Glenn won't mind if I link directly to that post here; it's relevant to the subject of this thread and includes some wisdom about corporate employment I wish I had encountered a decade or so ago.https://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=473― Brad C., Sunday, 17 December 2023 22:12 (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Brad C., Sunday, 17 December 2023 22:12 (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
Thanks Glenn (and Brad for sharing) - this spoke to something I think about a lot, as someone who also works in a big tech corporation. All the really great ideas I've seen have come from individuals thinking up something cool, or getting frustrated at something not-cool and wanting to do better. As a manager I sometimes think my best work involves putting those individuals in situations where they will be sufficiently inspired/frustrated and then retrofitting our existing plan to whatever great ideas come along.
― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Friday, 29 December 2023 14:37 (eleven months ago) link
Took me a while to realise that if you click on the green tick next to a track in the desktop app it now tells you what playlists you've added it to. Miss being able to see which songs I've liked at a glance though.
― Alba, Monday, 22 January 2024 14:07 (eleven months ago) link
the worst change ever getting rid of the heart AGAIN. you can post your displeasure with it here:https://community.spotify.com/t5/Community-Blog/The-Heart-button-is-being-replaced-with-a-Plus-button/bc-p/5831722#M23900and vote for it here:https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Bring-back-the-heart-button/idi-p/5709907
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 22 January 2024 15:32 (eleven months ago) link
Clicking on the tick works on the phone apps too. I do really like that feature
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 08:10 (ten months ago) link
It doesn't work properly on the phone for me. Even when the green tick shows it only sometimes tells me which ones it's in. Weird, as exactly the same track it doesn't work for on desktop will not work on the app.
― Alba, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 11:33 (ten months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/KA7C43F.jpgAghhh im paying to be advertised to agghhh
― calstars, Thursday, 1 February 2024 22:40 (ten months ago) link
They wanted me to listen to some booktoky audiobook about singer songwriters :/
― brimstead, Thursday, 1 February 2024 22:57 (ten months ago) link
how can I copy/paste japanese from spotify?
for when I happen upon a massive banger but have no clue who the artist is
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 12 February 2024 09:45 (ten months ago) link
japanese lettering* that was supposed to be (or kanji or furigana or katakana, sry for being a complete novice)
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 12 February 2024 09:47 (ten months ago) link
If you open your Spotify acct in your web browser, you should be able to copy the text
― Vinnie, Monday, 12 February 2024 13:15 (ten months ago) link
how can I copy/paste japanese from spotify? for when I happen upon a massive banger but have no clue who the artist is
― calstars, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:06 (ten months ago) link
thanks, eventually was able to get it via a pluging for copypasting url titles
Asei Kobayashi
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:39 (ten months ago) link
Don't know if it has been discussed yet (probably), but there's a pretty damning investigation by Dagens Nyheter that revealed that some unknown Swedish chill-out composers have managed to rack up billions of plays by writing under hundreds of aliases and getting their songs strategically placed on background music playlists (like "Peaceful piano" or "Stress relief"), in exchange for reduced royalties (namely 25%). The study cites Johan Röhr, with 15 billion plays, among 91 Swedish artists hidden behind 5700 artist names who have composed over 13000 tracks.
― Nabozo, Monday, 25 March 2024 09:22 (eight months ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/19/swedish-composer-johan-rohr-becomes-spotifys-most-famous-musician-youve-never-heard-of
this article is missing info on the alleged reduced royalty rate for playlisting deal
it's a damn shame that functional music/sounds is piled together with real music - but it's not really a secret or anything new, is it?
sadly, every time you play a white noise/soothing rain sounds track on spotify, you are moving resources from actual musicians
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 25 March 2024 10:30 (eight months ago) link
we've gone from a society that reads books to one that watches 20 second videos, from a society that listens to or god forbid sings and plays music to one that listens to literal static /uncool conservative opinions
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 March 2024 11:11 (eight months ago) link
I guess the Spotify response is "What about it?" and an implicit confirmation that playlists are product placement and that the competition is biased / flawed / nepotism.I would say Johan Röhr is an actual musician, I'm not shocked that stock nature sounds are on the platform, and I can even accept that different business models for different customers cohabit on the platform. But allowing for money-making schemes / free-loaders appears more significant than they're admitting here.
― Nabozo, Monday, 25 March 2024 11:17 (eight months ago) link
Yeah, I do feel the "fake artist" angle is flawed, like... it's pretty common to release music under assumed names
the playlist placement thing sounds an awful lot like payola, but hard to tell if Röhr's distributor is on a discovery mode type deal https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/3-things-to-know-about-spotifys-controversial-new-pay-for-influence-tool-discovery-mode/
In any part of the Spotify Service, the Content that you access, including its selection and placement, may be influenced by commercial considerations, including Spotify's agreements with third parties.
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 25 March 2024 11:53 (eight months ago) link
I'm surprised if paying for playlist placement isn't illegal
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 25 March 2024 11:54 (eight months ago) link
"Swedish chillout playlist scam" worthy of the next We Didn't Start the Fire
― President Keyes, Monday, 25 March 2024 13:57 (eight months ago) link
Swedish chillout playlist scamHouthis funded by IranBlame it on the TikTok banDesantis and his boots
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:17 (eight months ago) link
payola is the weed smoking of the music industry: some people do it proudly, others on the dl, others fiercly opposed. its legality is always a grey area, everybody has an opinion and, more importantly, everyone does it.
also that was incredible, table.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:32 (eight months ago) link
I thought payola was illegal because it was happening on the public airwaves. This is more like publishers paying for bookstore displays or something.
― President Keyes, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:01 (eight months ago) link
Yeah I am not a Swedish lawyer, but I wouldn't assume it would necessarily be illegal for Spotify to make $$ deals for playlist placement...
― let’s get intertwined (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:08 (eight months ago) link
haha irl lol Austin
also beautiful work by table and Keyes
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 07:15 (eight months ago) link
tbc I was lolling bcz of yr description being delectably otm
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 07:16 (eight months ago) link
Each week, more and more of Discover Weekly being cluttered up with bullshit forgettable winsome little 2-minute tracks that credit (and maybe sample, minutely?) 6 different artists, 1 of which I follow, and that nobody ever needs to listen to, called things like 'Sip and Groove'.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 March 2024 22:22 (eight months ago) link
Even worse, mine has Catatonia songs on it
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 March 2024 00:03 (eight months ago) link
yeah I stopped using mine a long time ago, kinda sad since in the beginning it was quite useful
I hesitate to use the term enshittification, but all the same it seems like there's a big algorithm supported move towards unobtrusive mellow vibe music, not necessarily ambient, but very functional
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 29 March 2024 05:57 (eight months ago) link
Curious if anyone else has noticed Spotify pushing the same artist to them on autoplay over and over again recently? Regardless of what I play, when it ends, they seem to throw a Beck song on for me. I have nothing against Beck but rarely listen to him and don't know why the algorithm thinks I am constantly in the mood for more Beck.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 14:38 (eight months ago) link
turn autoplay off maybe
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 14:45 (eight months ago) link
Despite having a multi-billion-dollar net worth, you decided to stop paying artists for songs with less than 1,000 streams (months before giving Joe Rogan $250,000,000). So I made a playlist of 300+ great songs with less than 1,000 streams to give them more visibility and plays. https://t.co/IwLJ8lgT01— Micro-Chop (@micro_chop) March 29, 2024
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 14:51 (eight months ago) link
xp I have, and I have verified it's off! It just autoplays anyway.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:36 (eight months ago) link
yeah same
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 23:22 (eight months ago) link
the spotify interface has become a nightmare that actively discourages me from doing what I want to do (listen to full albums at once), should I just switch to Apple Music?— Kyle Chayka (@chaykak) April 16, 2024
Spotify is absolutely desperate for me to never seek out the thing I want to listen to specifically and instead just take one of its recommendations or play something again that I played recently. This is the "music" tab pic.twitter.com/bfEFuaDj4t— Kyle Chayka (@chaykak) April 16, 2024
I don't think it's too much to say that this algorithmic interface is absolutely wrecking our relationship to culture and turning us into passive consumers who don't pay real attention to anything. I wrote this in 2021 but it's so much worse now https://t.co/c5E6KpyzmK— Kyle Chayka (@chaykak) April 16, 2024
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:14 (eight months ago) link
I don't get it. Did Spotify get rid of search?
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:20 (eight months ago) link
Is he asking for there to be a menu of albums to choose from like when you pull up Netflix?
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:21 (eight months ago) link
sounds like a skill issue
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:33 (eight months ago) link
i think it's a complaint about the way you _browse_ (not search) for albums being a moving target that is increasingly hard to find and difficult to use.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:41 (eight months ago) link
I guess the idea of Spotify as a browsing service is foreign to me, but I suppose now that record stores are gone it's what's left.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:43 (eight months ago) link
Yeah, I'm not getting his complaint either. Is Spotify supposed to know what he specifically wants to listen to?And my music tab/home page/whatever will often have recommended albums based on my listening history, which seems like a good thing to me 🤷♂️
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:50 (eight months ago) link
I see people complaining that it's getting harder to discover new music on Spotify. I don't know if that's true. I mean sure it can be annoying that anytime I listen to an electronic album I can tell it's over because "Xtal" starts auto-playing.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:54 (eight months ago) link
The weird thing is that he has a book about how algorithms are flattening us into passive consumers, yet he's looking for a streaming service to offer up recommendations rather than actively seeking out new music.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:56 (eight months ago) link
But given that his listening history is all Vampire Weekend albums, he probably does need some help.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:00 (eight months ago) link
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:02 (eight months ago) link
And yeah xpThe algorithms occasionally throw up something interesting but most of the new music I discover is the same way it's always been: recommendations from friends, threads on here or other forums, magazine and website reviews/features etc etc
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:05 (eight months ago) link
I use Tidal myself, but do keep a (free) Spotify acct, and I think he's putting his thumb on the scale by visiting the "Music" tab... the "All" tab seems to have what I assume he's looking for (Recently Played, Popular Albums, Your Favorite Artists, etc.). The "Music" tab is weirdly anemic for me – it has nine different selections (a grab-bag of playlists and albums, only a few related to what I've liked / listened to). Not a tab I would visit!
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:01 (eight months ago) link
also might be "putting his thumb on the scale" by cropping out the search bar and then saying "Spotify is absolutely desperate for me to never seek out the thing I want to listen to"
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:09 (eight months ago) link
"I want to listen to a specific album. Why doesn't it magically get suggested to me on the home page?"
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:10 (eight months ago) link
The people who don't care that much are the passive consumers, and a minority of people are actively seeking/curating, and I think that's fine? Most people over 25 don't care that much about music.
Also in what imagined past was this situation better? Does this guy miss the monoculture?
I basically only ever use Spotify to listen to specific entire albums, and I'm pretty sure I've never felt "discouraged" in my quest.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:55 (eight months ago) link
performative stupidity, he’s just doing that passive aggressive thing, yknow like people who say “hmmm what does gratuity fee mean? where’s the line for me to put the tip?”
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 00:00 (eight months ago) link
“should I just switch to Apple Music?”
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 00:09 (eight months ago) link
Yeah, in the past most people just listened to the radio, how much has really changed? (On the consumption side, as opposed to the remuneration side, of course).
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 06:19 (eight months ago) link
They did finally add the thing to tell you what playlist(s) a song is already in at least.
― Andrew Goldsoundz (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:41 (eight months ago) link
That's been a big improvement for me. It also makes it much easier to remove an entire album from a playlist when I'm using the mobile app.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:43 (eight months ago) link
keep having thumbnails for shows I listen to a lot not connecting. being told oops can't find that page. rotten set up.
― Stevo, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:04 (eight months ago) link
this isn't even the first time that Kyle Chayka had vern muscle memory that builds up when you use a piece of software every day, like your thumb going directly to the Instagram app button on your phone screen. Spotify had updated its interface and suddenly I was lost. I couldn’t put on the jazz record by Yusef Lateef that I play every morning when I start writing and I couldn’t figure out where to find the songs I had saved by pressing the heart-shaped like button. The sudden lack of spatial logic was like a form of aphasia, as if someone had moved around all the furniture in my living room and I was still trying to navigate it as I always had. Spotify’s new “Your Library” tab, which implied everything I was looking for, opened up a window of automatically generated playlists that I didn’t recognize. The next tab over offered podcasts, which I never listened to on the app. Nothing made sense.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:25 (eight months ago) link
oops...posted too soonthis isn't even the first time that Kyle Chayka has been disoriented by Spotify.an excerpt from his book:https://kylechayka.substack.com/p/essay-the-digital-death-of-collecting"I opened the Spotify app on my laptop a few weeks ago and found that everything I had saved was in disarray. The albums weren’t where I thought they were. I couldn’t flip through them with my usual clicks, the kind of subconscious muscle memory that builds up when you use a piece of software every day, like your thumb going directly to the Instagram app button on your phone screen. Spotify had updated its interface and suddenly I was lost. I couldn’t put on the jazz record by Yusef Lateef that I play every morning when I start writing and I couldn’t figure out where to find the songs I had saved by pressing the heart-shaped like button. The sudden lack of spatial logic was like a form of aphasia, as if someone had moved around all the furniture in my living room and I was still trying to navigate it as I always had. Spotify’s new “Your Library” tab, which implied everything I was looking for, opened up a window of automatically generated playlists that I didn’t recognize. The next tab over offered podcasts, which I never listened to on the app. Nothing made sense."
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:29 (eight months ago) link
I like Chayka generally, though I think he's overstating the degree of bewilderment here to make his broader point about how algorithms shape our experience. The book is unfortunately kind of lazy in its argumentation, even as his contentions *feel* right if you are, like him, a longtime internet user who's become recently disenchanted with it.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:36 (eight months ago) link
I really don't understand his thing about these services turning us into passive consumers if even a small app update throws him into an existential crisis. It's like someone throwing themself on the floor at Tower Records because they have to walk past the magazine section to get to the CDs.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:44 (eight months ago) link
I do get that Spotify emphasizing playlists might make some people less likely to play full albums, but to complain so hard about app feng shui is weird.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:46 (eight months ago) link
Looks like they’re reducing royalties by classifying their regular Premium service as an audiobook bundle (after introducing a standalone audiobook tier): https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/spotify-music-audiobook-bundle-lower-royalty-for-songwriters-1235974942/
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:28 (eight months ago) link
Spotify CEO Daniel Ek surprised by how much laying off 1,500 employees negatively affected the streaming giant’s operations
Fortune headline
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 14:29 (seven months ago) link
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/04/23/spotify-earnings-q1-ceo-daniel-eklaying-off-1500-spotify-employees-negatively-affected-streaming-giants-operations/
But he says they’re back on track now on a path to long term profitability.
Ugh
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 14:32 (seven months ago) link
what a piece of shit that guy is. it's amazing to me he's even willing to show his face in public!
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 14:52 (seven months ago) link
more amazing that anyone still admits to and / or rationalizes subscribing to this service
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 18:48 (seven months ago) link
It's a go-kart powered by my own sense of self satisfaction.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 18:50 (seven months ago) link
Anyone explored the 'Daylist' feature? It analyses what you tend to listen to at any given time of the day and serves up a playlist accordingly. This changes 3 or 4 times during the day. It does give the playlist a dumb name. Eg, my current one is called 'healing abstract tuesday (sic) morning'.
The key difference so far is that mine have actually been pretty good?
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 10:06 (seven months ago) link
happy saxophone trumpet tuesday morning from here......
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 11:34 (seven months ago) link
I pulled up Daylist and it offered a bunch of Drake songs wtf
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:09 (seven months ago) link
in the days of pandora I remember flipping around trying to find some new age music I liked until the “algorithm” just gave up and started playing Jaheim, which totally hit the he spot somehow
― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:18 (seven months ago) link
he spot? the spot
Seems relevant to post here:Spotify's Former Data Guru Tells All: A Conversation with Glenn McDonald
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 27 May 2024 07:10 (six months ago) link
nice! look forward to the book
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 May 2024 09:00 (six months ago) link
Long-time readers of this thread, where I've been before, during and after my long time at Spotify, will probably recognize many of the themes and sentiments in the book, but hopefully I did a better job of organizing them into a coherent whole than came across in individual comments here...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 27 May 2024 13:31 (six months ago) link
i'm very excited to purchase the book
― pitted (blue6ave), Tuesday, 28 May 2024 03:31 (six months ago) link
I haven't popped in here to say "fuck these capitalist pigs" for a while, this is also relevant:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/music-fans-and-artists-hit-back-as-spotify-ceo-claims-the-cost-of-creating-content-is-close-to-zero-3761004
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 2 June 2024 00:12 (six months ago) link
this guy is such a piece of shit
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 June 2024 00:25 (six months ago) link
I use YouTube Music now. Tried a couple of scrobblers on my phone but they don't work :/
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 2 June 2024 08:10 (six months ago) link
so they're still messing around with the interface while not improving it.
― Stevo, Sunday, 2 June 2024 09:48 (six months ago) link
It’s basically become worse in every way in the last year
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:18 (six months ago) link
My book, mentioned above, is now out. It contains a lot of stuff about streaming, and a fair amount of stuff about Spotify as an example of streaming, but nothing at all about Daniel Ek.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:11 (six months ago) link
Congrats on getting the book out Glenn!
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:23 (six months ago) link
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 22 June 2024 09:14 (six months ago) link
https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/you-have-not-yet-heard-your-favourite-song-how-streaming-changes-music-glenn-mcdonald/7590219
― bae (sic), Saturday, 22 June 2024 09:45 (six months ago) link
My copy just arrived! Exciting
― stet, Saturday, 22 June 2024 10:08 (six months ago) link
awesome Glenn, just bought my copy
― Vinnie, Saturday, 22 June 2024 11:41 (six months ago) link
I'm in the middle of reading You Have Not Yet Heard Your Favourite Song: How Streaming Changes Music. Quite interesting.
I just read the part of how the Recommended feature to add songs to your playlist causes problems and specifically caused Martina McBride anguish because it took 136 recommendations before her empty playlist named "Country Music" came up with a song not by a man. The book does a good job discussing the implications of that.
I never create empty playlists so never noticed this feature before but I'm not sure if it still works or not.
When I create a playlist "American Classical Music" on Windows anyway, the recommendations are mostly tracks I play from other genres - Led Zeppelin, Bardo Pond, obscure recorder music etc. It does include Terry Jennings, who was arguably an American Classical composer. And it has a song by Stereolab, John Cage Bubblegum, which is at least a reference to my somewhat obscure genre.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6H4wMlqU40uDKQTmjDAhFV?si=60643bd5b20f40d0
― aworks, Saturday, 22 June 2024 16:44 (six months ago) link
I’ve just started the book. Glenn you write beautifully. I love this!
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 30 June 2024 10:18 (five months ago) link
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 30 June 2024 14:59 (five months ago) link
And yes, I can't totally tell whether they've disabled the title-matching feature on empty playlists entirely (it still says "Based on the title of this playlist" at the top, but that doesn't guarantee they haven't), or cranked up the personalization so far that the keyword results are crowded out. I just tried a blank playlist called "Reggae", which my own listening contains very little of, and no amount of Refreshing gets me anything other than lots of random selections from my existing favorites.
Coincidentally, I just wrote about over-personalization in another nearby context: https://www.furia.com/log/488
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 30 June 2024 15:34 (five months ago) link
the search function seems broken
or maybe it's broken as a feature, the same way youtube search is broken these days
few real results and then down the algorithm hole
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 08:20 (five months ago) link
"When I create a playlist "American Classical Music" on Windows anyway, the recommendations are mostly tracks I play from other genres - Led Zeppelin, Bardo Pond, obscure recorder music etc. It does include Terry Jennings, who was arguably an American Classical composer. And it has a song by Stereolab, John Cage Bubblegum, which is at least a reference to my somewhat obscure genre."
Spotify and YouTube Music seem puzzled by classical music and as if it would really rather you dont go there. "Can we just get back to some Zeppelin please?"
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 12:46 (five months ago) link
I'm enjoying the book as well, very fun to read as a dev who loves music. You describe the challenges very well. Recently I requested Spotify send my full listening history so I could figure out every full album I had ever listened to, which required some data manipulation and wasn't as easy as I thought. It felt like a very simple version of what you describe in the book
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 14:57 (five months ago) link
― Dick Cavett Poo Party (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 16:22 (five months ago) link
they've now added a dynamic margin for the queue which triggers when you go to add items to the queue. are they doing this intentionally badly.
― Stevo, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 08:44 (five months ago) link
Stupid dumbarse spotify bot going through and carefully deleting any uploaded album covers for local files that feature a hint of nipple.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 22 July 2024 23:58 (five months ago) link
i asked my friend the other day (she is a well-known local musician in L.A. w/a decent fanbase in Europe) if Spotify had any noticeable effect on her career, and she said it had completely wrecked a lot of her supporting income. she said a lot of what made touring tenable was the ability to sell records and CDs at various stops, just to give her something extra every show, and that has absolutely cratered for her. fans will come see her, her albums had still received the same acclaim and attention, but the sales of physical media just aren't there anymore. she receives hardly anything from streaming.
― omar little, Tuesday, 23 July 2024 01:10 (four months ago) link
is queue now intentionally unmanageable. you can't easily move items up queue any more. keep triggering menu which stops item from being movable or the track will start playing erasing everything above it in the queue. I'm not sure if this is just being exacerbated by the queue now giving far less space to pick up an item . does seem wilful.
― Stevo, Tuesday, 23 July 2024 08:56 (four months ago) link
― omar little, Monday, July 22, 2024 9:10 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I will never understand why people are still shocked when they hear stories like this
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 July 2024 11:28 (four months ago) link
she said that streaming services gaslight the hell out of musicians with respect to it, they came in as disrupters and made their billions and the musicians are left to eat shit. she did say it was something that started as far back as napster, the beginning of music being seen as without value.
― omar little, Wednesday, 24 July 2024 01:20 (four months ago) link
They just undid the queue set up where it's a side column. Has everybody been complaining about that? Are they just beta-ing things for a few months to find out how many people are annoyed by them or sumfin?
― Stevo, Thursday, 1 August 2024 09:19 (four months ago) link
That's par for tons of software nowadays
― Vinnie, Thursday, 1 August 2024 09:46 (four months ago) link
Just noticed that on the desktop app. How do you see your queue now?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 1 August 2024 10:02 (four months ago) link
you can't easily move items up queue any more.
It's still fairly easy to do this on your phone - just drag the song using the three bars to its right
― groovypanda, Thursday, 1 August 2024 10:03 (four months ago) link
queue opens in the main column so you hit queue and that's the main display.
― Stevo, Thursday, 1 August 2024 11:59 (four months ago) link
i can’t really relate to this because i usually know what i want to listen to and type into the search bar but maybe others itt will relate
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/why-i-finally-quit-spotify
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:08 (four months ago) link
It's not very hard! I don't understand this article at all.
"Oh good - a small amount of friction - I can get an article out of this"
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:25 (four months ago) link
It is hard for some. Though I find it a bit of a put-on for a staff writer "covering technology and culture on the Internet."
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:28 (four months ago) link
yeah his complaints here and on twitter makes him seem like the kind of guy who would enter “albums” in the search bar
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:29 (four months ago) link
and i’m now realizing this is the guy who wrote rhat hacky algorithm book filterworldhttps://maxread.substack.com/p/are-algorithms-making-us-boring
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:30 (four months ago) link
I like Chayka's writing on design in general (like the original "AirSpace" essay), but his ideas about algorithms seem underbaked.And yeah, I don't relate to complaints about the Spotify algorithm because that's never been how I use Spotify or what I want out of it.
― jaymc, Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:47 (four months ago) link
Ok, wait, I just read the article, and it's not even about algorithms but about the user interface? I dunno man, I type the name of an album and it usually comes up. Sometimes, if I search for an artist, I have to click around a bit to find a particular album, but it's all intuitive enough. Not sure what his problem is.
― jaymc, Thursday, 1 August 2024 13:52 (four months ago) link
lol vc
― groovypanda, Thursday, 1 August 2024 14:01 (four months ago) link
Yeah, I mean if you can't find an album you saved to your library what exactly are you doing? There's literally a button labelled 'Albums' at the top when you open your library
― groovypanda, Thursday, 1 August 2024 14:04 (four months ago) link
silly me, thought the revive might be about this
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/31/magazine/how-music-got-free-documentary.html
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 1 August 2024 14:13 (four months ago) link
Yeah that movie sounds pretty bad, I trust the musicians who suffer not the ones who are multi-millionaires holding hands with the disruptors.
― omar little, Thursday, 1 August 2024 14:19 (four months ago) link
One if the taglines is like “THE CRIME WE ALL COMMITTED” and it’s like stfu
― brimstead, Thursday, 1 August 2024 14:21 (four months ago) link
I can answer this: it’s because you’ve got Spotify auto-playing instead of you choosing which songs to listen to. pic.twitter.com/Ar9A8deJXm— idk, my bff jo•na•than? 🐍 (@_jbradley) July 2, 2024
― jaymc, Friday, 2 August 2024 14:59 (four months ago) link
right, i am shocked that spotify would recommend sabrina carpenter and chappell roan to listeners who enjoy pop music
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 August 2024 15:03 (four months ago) link
There is absolutely a paradox in the current mode of consumption that boils down to "you must spoon feed me only things that I like".
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 2 August 2024 16:26 (four months ago) link
there’s a weird thing with certain more “underground” subgenres that aren’t represented super well on Spotify… like it seems with dungeon synth you don’t see very many heavy hitters really so it’s almost this shadow realm of not legendary artists coming along many years after the original high
― brimstead, Friday, 2 August 2024 16:39 (four months ago) link
similar effect to like, Christian alt rock bands or whatever
― brimstead, Friday, 2 August 2024 16:40 (four months ago) link
Or like off-brand rip off, Magnetbox Sorny
― brimstead, Friday, 2 August 2024 16:41 (four months ago) link
Good news, after several weeks of messing about with limiting the "Release Radar" weekly playlist (for those that follow many artists) Spotify has reverted back to 200 tracks instead of 30.
― djmartian, Friday, 6 September 2024 11:37 (three months ago) link
Mine is always 30, always has been. :(
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 6 September 2024 23:12 (three months ago) link
I don't like that they've removed the label name from album pages on the Android app, it seems like you can only find it now by looking at the credit for an individual track
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 October 2024 17:12 (two months ago) link
the album display on Android must've been having some glitches recently. I can see label now. Hadn't noticed it gone... but did notice seemingly random lack of running time info. So steamed i nearly posted here.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 October 2024 13:12 (two months ago) link
i need a streaming service that values my time!! *bangs phone on table*
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 October 2024 13:13 (two months ago) link
I took a look and briefly saw the label info, then it disappeared from the screen. I still see running times. Must be buggy.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 18 October 2024 14:43 (two months ago) link
Noticed yesterday that the smart TV app gives you an option to play the music video when it's available. Nice touch I thought.
― nate woolls, Sunday, 20 October 2024 06:36 (two months ago) link
Did notice the desktop version had messed around with queue again. The thumbnail mini version was gone yesterday leaving the older design version where it is not in the margin but in the central column by default as main focus. The margin version doesn't show playing time which reminded me since somebody in the thread above mentioned playing time on a different version.I guess they will just continue to mess around with design. Is that intentionally to show they're doing a job.
― Stevo, Sunday, 20 October 2024 07:02 (two months ago) link
The mysteries of the Discover Weekly algorithm - after being caught up in the spate of short-song playlists not so long ago, this week's has a median track length of 6 minutes
― Alba, Wednesday, 23 October 2024 07:56 (one month ago) link
Much as I like Spotify, I find it perplexing sometimes. Yesterday I received an email saying "Primal Scream made you something special". Gifts from a stranger, eh? Warmth and fuzziness and admiration for their largesse ensued. Opening up the email, there was Bawbee looking typically lithe, lank and addled. I read "As a thank you for being one of our top listeners on Spotify we are pleased to offer you the opportunity to order this Spotify exclusive limited edition Come Ahead blue and white t-shirt" and I'm like, *top* listeners? I've listened to Velocity Girl once and Loaded once in the last year and that's it!
I know they're not as popular as they used to be, but....
― Grandpont Genie, Saturday, 9 November 2024 08:00 (one month ago) link
[rant]
they've incorporated a "featured on" listing for discographies, which makes browsing through catalogues from bands like the church impossible anymore: every budget compilation that "under the milky way" has ever appeared is now listed on their main discography. in some cases, these get mixed in with the band's proper albums out of chronological order, so slowly scrolling tediously until yoy find what you're looking for is the new normal. just go look at bob's dylan's discography; it's an embarrassing nightmare.
i've also recently noticed artists with less than ~3000 listeners are getting deprioritized in searches. in some cases, even if you search for exact terms, the thing you're searching for is a ways down in the results.
this all started about a week ago and it's made discovering and browsing in the app an exercise in frustration. especially now, when you have these superfluously inflated catalogues... you click on a release to see details, then hit back to see the rest of the catalogue, and now the whole thing has to reload and doesn't save where you were because the discography is so fucking bloated.
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― lil lurk (Austin), Sunday, 1 December 2024 17:40 (three weeks ago) link
[post-rant]
also i want a "don't recommend this" option. stop telling me to listen to you think you really know me by gary wilson. he sucks, that album sucks, and both should have remained in obscurity.
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― lil lurk (Austin), Sunday, 1 December 2024 18:00 (three weeks ago) link
Read the hype about the Unwrapped AI-generated podcast. Unfortunately mine is complete shithttps://wrappedaipodcast.spotifycdn.com/iwDVKJlb0ExVBSsbrGCeexsfFOL67eBw8LvD1j7sans.mp4
― Alba, Friday, 6 December 2024 07:53 (two weeks ago) link
.mp4read?
― et a earwig (sic), Friday, 6 December 2024 09:09 (two weeks ago) link
Alba skipped over the subject of the sentence, “I”, and “read” is past tense
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 December 2024 09:19 (two weeks ago) link
also i want a "don't recommend this" option.
A**** M**** does have "suggest less."
― encino morricone (majorairbro), Friday, 6 December 2024 09:22 (two weeks ago) link
Tracer correct
― Alba, Friday, 6 December 2024 10:14 (two weeks ago) link
I sensed this within 20 minutes earlier this week, two published articles analysing the 2024 Spotify Wrapped flop:
Spotify Wrapped finally enters its flop erahttps://www.creativebloq.com/design/spotify-wrapped-enters-its-flop-era
Spotify users are disappointed by an underwhelming Wrapped this yearhttps://techcrunch.com/2024/12/04/spotify-users-are-disappointed-by-an-underwhelming-wrapped-this-year/
― djmartian, Friday, 6 December 2024 12:15 (two weeks ago) link
i think i was deeply confused in July - my "indie sleaze strut pop" season
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 December 2024 12:44 (two weeks ago) link
i dunno maybe that is charli's "360" in a nutshell
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 December 2024 12:45 (two weeks ago) link
Really to find out my top tracks are the ones Spotify always autoplays
― Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Friday, 6 December 2024 13:11 (two weeks ago) link
My top track is always the one I listen to a million times because I can't find a place for it in the sequencing of my best-of-the-year playlist and need to figure out whether it sounds best after this song or that song.
― jaymc, Friday, 6 December 2024 13:18 (two weeks ago) link
Using Spotify to research the podcast has royally screwed my Wrapped: my most played act of 2024 were The Tremeloes, and I got a "thanks for being a fan" video message from David Guetta.🤔
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 7 December 2024 17:14 (two weeks ago) link
Two of my students found me on Spotify during class yesterday, and when I expressed some mild horror at this they told me it was okay because I had good taste in music.
― Lily Dale, Saturday, 7 December 2024 17:20 (two weeks ago) link
https://helsing.ai/newsroom/helsing-unveils-intelligent-strike-drone-for-mass-and-precision
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 7 December 2024 18:00 (two weeks ago) link
Totally recognise this, Lily! I'm a college teacher now (UK) so often play music in class. Kids are adamant I only have stuff like Chappell Roan, Tems and Charli on my playlists because I'm trying to impress them. I mean, I've got two kids who are deeply into all sorts of music for one, and, well, I have ilx as my main tastemaker so...
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 December 2024 21:15 (two weeks ago) link
The most New Jersey 2024 scandal ever: Rep. Josh Gottheimer, running for governor, faked his Spotify wrapped list so he appeared to be a Springsteen super fan, h/t @Taniel - https://t.co/u260MRwF18— Reid Wilson (@PoliticsReid) December 11, 2024
― Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 16:07 (one week ago) link
he wasn’t born to run
― now TAYNE i can get into (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 16:15 (one week ago) link
Another Eric Adams in the making.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 16:20 (one week ago) link
https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 19 December 2024 06:35 (three days ago) link
great reporting from liz pelly
sad state of affairs, dystopian times
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 19 December 2024 08:07 (three days ago) link
reminds me of something nick cave said on the colbert show:
I think there's forces out there expressly designed to take the creative act away from us. Especially with AI as it's coming up. To create music as simply a product. The creative experience is seen as a sort of impediment on the road to the product itself.
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 19 December 2024 08:26 (three days ago) link
Background playlists encourage anonymous music, which enourages anonymous musicians, which will probably and logically lead to AI music. Stock photograhy leads to anonymous imagery, which leads to anonymous imagists, which leads to AI images. Spotify can be rightfully blamed for facilitating this, but nobody has to listen to those playlists in the first place. It's neoliberally reductive to expect everybody to individual-choice us out of this collective sludge, but it's better than sitting in it.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 December 2024 16:51 (three days ago) link
Great to see you here glenn, i hope all is well with you.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:22 (three days ago) link
I used to like some of the genre playlists on Spotify, but now that so many of them say they are "made for" me personally, I'm no longer interested. I don't want to listen to an algorithmically generated playlist based on my listening history, I want to listen to an expert's curated selections.
― jaymc, Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:35 (three days ago) link
I agree, the more that generated playlists have my own stuff in them, the less interesting they are because that's the stuff I was already listening to anyway and I'm trying to hear something new. I assume people generally appreciate the familiarity or something.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:43 (three days ago) link
how Spotify’s “Ambient Chill” playlist had largely been wiped of well-known artists like Brian Eno, Bibio, and Jon Hopkins, whose music was replaced by tracks from Epidemic Sound, a Swedish company that offers a subscription-based library of production music—the kind of stock material often used in the background of advertisements, TV programs, and assorted video content
i mean, this is definitely kind of funny in a dark way
― budo jeru, Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:50 (three days ago) link
pretty sure this is the future Eno was aiming for
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:54 (three days ago) link
when you've already reduced music to furniture, perhaps it's only a matter of time before the Swedish find a way to turn it from something painstakingly crafted by artists into mass-produced junk
― budo jeru, Thursday, 19 December 2024 17:57 (three days ago) link
nobody has to listen to those playlists in the first place
Sorry, but this is naive. The point is that if people did want music to study to or lo-fi beats for chilling out or whatever there are thousands of real artists who can provide that. Instead those artists are being replaced and erased, especially given that spotify is more or less the only game in town for most people. As if the insulting royalty rates weren't already outrageously bad, now artists are even being screwed out of that (and yes, I get that this is the equivalent of the "and such small portions" joke).
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 19 December 2024 19:28 (three days ago) link
yeah that betrays a real lack of understanding about how users interact with these services.
― brimstead, Thursday, 19 December 2024 20:15 (three days ago) link
Background music becoming background music isn't a shock but isn't that part nefarious also because of the way the entire Spotify royalty pot is split? If they can siphon off a few pennies from the coffee house ambient playlist, isn't that diluting the share paid to non-ambient artists?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 19 December 2024 20:25 (three days ago) link
Oh, I understand how people interact with "these services". I want the services to change. But if/while they don't, we can change.
And yes, as the piece points out, the idea that there was ever a shortage of anything of this stuff is ridiculous.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 19 December 2024 20:55 (three days ago) link
related:
"Back in 2023, Spotify redesigned its app to, and I quote The Verge, be “part TikTok, part Instagram, and part YouTube,” which in practice meant replacing a relatively clean and straightforward user interface with one made up of full-screen cards (like TikTok) and autoplaying video podcasts (like TikTok), which CEO Daniel Ek claimed would, to quote Sky News, make the platform “come alive” with different content on a platform built and sold as a place to listen to music.
The tech media waved off the redesign without really considering the significance of the fact that at the drop of a hat, hundreds of millions of people’s experience of listening to music would change based on the whims of a multi-billionaire, with the express purpose being to force these people to engage with completely different content as a means of increasing engagement metrics and revenue. By all means try and pretend this is “just an app,” but people’s relationships with music and entertainment are deeply important to their moods and motivations, and adding layers of frustration in an app they interact with for hours a day is consistently grating.
And no matter how you feel, this design was never for the customer. Nobody using Spotify was saying “ah man, I wish I could watch videos on this,” but that doesn’t matter because engagement and revenue must increase. It’s clear that Spotify, a company best-known for exploiting the artists on its platform, treats its customers (both paying and otherwise) with a similar level of contempt."
https://www.wheresyoured.at/never-forgive-them/
― sleeve, Thursday, 19 December 2024 22:28 (three days ago) link
is anyone using that stuff? I have it all turned off
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 19 December 2024 22:29 (three days ago) link
nothing pisses me off quite like when i'm playing a track on spotify and it tries to play a music video. fuck off!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 19 December 2024 22:30 (three days ago) link
i currently use it as a means to an end but will probably jump off at some point. i hate that Daniel Ek fucker so much. loser!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 19 December 2024 22:31 (three days ago) link
Everything I read about Spotify makes me feel as though my own way of using it is utterly abnormal. People are weird.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 20 December 2024 00:28 (two days ago) link
I understand but don’t really get the Zitron/Kyle Chayka critique. The Tiktokky bits don’t get in the way for me; I find it’s still very easy to navigate and create a music-only experience.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 20 December 2024 00:44 (two days ago) link
Also not (yet) having any of my pop or ambient playlists taken over by AI slop. The curating still seems pretty sturdy and helpful.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 20 December 2024 00:46 (two days ago) link
xp yeah I agree. I open the app and there is still a search button that is prominently displayed and easy to access.
― jaymc, Friday, 20 December 2024 00:49 (two days ago) link
And it never tries to put on videos for me.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 20 December 2024 00:54 (two days ago) link
I get a NEW MUSIC FOR YOU popup that has to be dismissed to use the app, that shit sucks.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 20 December 2024 02:20 (two days ago) link
But Apple does something similar I believe. Enshittification is unavoidable.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 20 December 2024 02:21 (two days ago) link
If you're interested in an alternate UI to Spotify that is more oriented around, let's say, collecting and listening and data, I have this thing I've been working on:
everynoise.com/curio.html
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 December 2024 02:35 (two days ago) link
I tried it but I’m getting some authentication issues once I’ve logged in to curio
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 December 2024 07:34 (two days ago) link
Hmm, if you logged in successfully (your name shows up on the login button), then either you missed an API-key step, Spotify is having issues, or...something else. Email me at gmcdonald at furia and I'll figure it out.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 December 2024 12:35 (two days ago) link
Would you be able to provide some use cases or scenarios for Curio, Glenn? I'm sort of staring at a couple of my playlists, sensing there's something I could do that would unlock the universe but not sure what it is. Equally, tell me to clear off if you have better things to do!
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 20 December 2024 13:43 (two days ago) link
Yes, I need to write some docs and make some demo videos.
The general aim is to better coordinate the active collecting functions in Spotify: your playlists, your Library, your listening history. Without any other manipulative or promotional agenda. "Unlock" is the right idea. It's not trying to deliver the universe to you, it's trying to make it less cumbersome to collate and extend your curiosity.
Part of that is just showing what I think is the right information, like being able to tell the difference between the songs on a playlist that come from albums and the ones that are just singles.
UI-wise, generally if you hover over things various little icons will appear. From a track on a playlist you can go to that artist's whole catalog (☰, displayed in a more informative way so you can see the patterns of tracks across releases), or to their neighborhood in related-artist space (», their related artists plus those artists' related artists), or one-click Google search on the artist/track/album for research (†).
You can select tracks (one or multiple) and then move them to another point in the playlist by clicking on the little target arrows, because I make long playlists and drag-and-drop can get awkward (although there's also drag and drop for moving single tracks). You can delete tracks, of course, but you can also designate a "bin" playlist, and then there's a one-click icon to move any track to the bin. So, e.g., I have a playlist of Christmas songs, and I use this to easily move Xmas songs off my weekly new-release playlist onto the Xmas one.
If you have a track from an album on your playlist, you can click the "1/13" track-number bit to pop that album up in the sidebar, because I do a lot of swapping which track from an album I want on a playlist. Those pop-up albums also show which tracks on the album are actually new, as opposed to having already been released on singles or otherwise, because I always want to know that.
And up at the top by the playlist title there's a link to the more-detailed playlist-profile view in everynoise research tools, and a thing for generating the vertical-stripe-style images I like to put on playlists.
You can also A/B compare playlists by selecting (click in the blank space) the B one (or ones) in the playlist list, and then going to the playlist view for the A one.
The other pages are all encrusted similarly. The artist lists give you genre categorization you can sort and filter by. The Listmarks page keeps track of where you were in each playlist or album you've been listening to.
If you download your Extended Streaming History from Spotify, then there's a History page with a bunch of ranking things.
And, for philosophical reasons, all the data Curio gets and creates for you is completely open to you. You can see the underlying data for any page, and there's a full query language for asking your own questions if they aren't the ones for which I've made views.
I post about the project mostly as @everynoise on Bluesky.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 20 December 2024 15:40 (two days ago) link
"It's the apathy that absolutely does me in. Artists, bands, music industry people, shitposters on Instagram - everyone's been banging on about what a total shitshow Spotify is, has been and continues to be for a while now, and it's largely just been met with an almighty shrugging of shoulders, and carrying on, because 'well yeah, but I've got my playlists on there, and I like my Spotify wrapped!', despite the arms tech investments, despite the meagre royalties, despite the sacking of their editorial team, despite the 1,000 play thing, despite the creaking tech that's full of bugs, despite the adding audiobooks so they could argue for an even *lower* royalty rate, despite the general cheapening and disconnection of music, despite the explosion of shitty AI slop, despite one man masquerading as many different artists being responsible for a huge royalty payout by juicing the system, despite the literal owner of the platform claiming that 'content' doesn't take any money to make these days, despite everything, despite all of that. But people just think it's a bit of fun."
https://blogaboutsatan.blogspot.com/2024/12/what-were-skies-like-when-you-were-young.html
― sleeve, Friday, 20 December 2024 15:53 (two days ago) link
glenn i’m travelling now but will look into it when i can.coincidentally, just saw this float through my timeline:https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 December 2024 22:39 (two days ago) link
lol sorry that’s literally the same article
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 December 2024 22:42 (two days ago) link