In A Similarly Silent Way

Hey! Let's talk about records that have a similar vibe to Miles Davis' classsssssic album In A Silent Way. Why? Because I am listening to Joe Henderson's Power To The People record for the first time and it is sounding awesome. It's got Herbie Hancock and Ron Carter on it, and was recorded in 68 or 69, so it's not surprising that it's got that IASW feel to it, though this one sounds a little more raucous. So! What else is along these lines -- jazz/nonjazz/whatever.

The first thing that comes to mind is Zawinul by Joe Zawinul--it even has a version of "In a Silent Way" on it.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1070/579521188_dd5d3a181e.jpg?v=0

Also, "Rain Dance" from Herbie's Sextant.

"Rain Dance" whaaaa? Freaky synth blurpees isn't really what I think of when I think of In A Silent Way. It's great though don't get me wrong.

strangely enough, i always got an In a Silent Way vibe from much of Endtroducing..., of all things.

2nd the Zawinal pick.

The first thing that comes to mind is Zawinul by Joe Zawinul--it even has a version of "In a Silent Way" on it.

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^^third this...recently picked that up on used vinyl...absolutely GORGEOUS record...am super in love with it....

almost makes up for all those horrid weather report albums dude did...almost.

also...um...(prepares to duck)...tortoise?

haha

there's a donald byrd record from the late 60s called Kofi which is pretty heavily indebted to Silent Way -- not sure who's playing on it. Byrd sure is a bandwagon jumper! He's great, but it seems he's never met a trend he didn't try. but yeah, the early mwandishi stuff, definitely. zawinul, definitely -- does any weather report sound like this? i haven't really explored them very much. i s'pose there are a bunch of ECM kinda dudes who do stuff like IASW, but I haven't heard a lot of that. Any of Cannonball Adderley's late 60s-early 70s stuff lean in this direction? I think I've only heard Phenix ...

haha, sure, Tortoise! i mean, Future Days is certainly on the Silent Way tip ... interesting idea about DJ Shadow, i kinda know what you mean. Becalmed but ominous sorta thing.

Okay, maybe "Rain Dance" was a bit too freaky a choice, even though I do think it's kinda in the same vein as "Shhh/Beautiful".

If you're willing to go to a totally different genre, I think 1 by Pole has a very similar feel to IASW: minimal, looped, nocturnal, pacifying, blue.

the necks, "hanging gardens"

(like, totally)

yeah, i was going to ask if there was any electronic music that recalled this -- will check out the Pole record.

xp Was just about to say Necks, their whole output kind of fits surely?

don't know the necks! who are they? recent?

first neu! record (kinda)

I was just about to suggest The Necks as well...

http://www.discogs.com/release/327414

Brian Eno - Discreet Music

It's the ultimate hybrid of JAZZ and AMBIENT an sounds like an improvised JAMsession: by mixing these three words together I hereby invented a brand new musical style >
this is JAMBIENT !

gross

but the necks are awesome. hanging gardens is one of my favorite records.

lol, jambient

[It's the ultimate hybrid of JAZZ and AMBIENT an sounds like an improvised JAMsession: by mixing these three words together I hereby invented a brand new musical style >
this is JAMBIENT !]

Ewww. Hadn't noticed that.

What about He Love Him Madly?

I give you JAMBIENT

Haha. Move D has some explaining to do :)

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14108

Paul Schütze - Apart (disc 1) (electronic / microtonal take, but definitely chasing 'Shhh / Peaceful" - his later band 'Phantom City' was more about 70's Miles) - http://www.furious.com/PERFECT/schutze1.html
Brian Eno - "Iced World" (I wish The Drop had just been a 60 minute version of this track)

isn't that somewhat closer to ambient er...Eno than jazz? Fripp & Eno, say?

(christ, that jambient post has made me almost physically ill--just imagining the horror, the horror. *shivers*)

xxxp

i have a record with Tony Allen and Doctor L called Psycho on Da Bus that definitely reminds me of IASW, but with an afrofunk edge.

http://www.myspace.com/doctorlmind

http://www.last.fm/music/Doctor+L,+Tony+Allen,+Jean+Phi/Psycho+On+Da+Bus

definitely listen to K.I.S Compatible in the lastfm flash player (might be a bit more mellow bitches brew, but still has those sounds)

Bohren Und Der Club Of Gore maybe? Especially Geisterfaust.

Listening to Bennie Maupin's Jewel In The Lotus from 1974 -- definitely has a bit of the IASW vibe. Hancock's on this one too, naturally. Either way, wow, beautiful record! GET IT.

I would say that each of those records by the Mwandishi members are similar to In a Silent Way — not just the Maupin, but Eddie Henderson's Sunburst and Julian Priester's Love, Love as well.

Especially Geisterfaust.

read this as Geirzeist

this thread covered similar ground:

Miles Davis - In A Silent Way

on it i suggested the already-mentioned 'zawinul' alb, and also 'timeless' by jon abercrombie/jan hammer/jack dejohnette, especially the magnificent title track

'hanging gardens' is a v gd call; parts of 'ege bamyese' by can and of course 'zawinul/lava' on eno's 'another green world' also vibrate w/ some of the same teo macero space/time splice magic

check out the Polwechsel/Fennesz-Wrapped Islands disc I put out a few years back (on Erstwhile). I thought about namechecking IASW in the PR, but decided in the end it was a bit too much of a stretch. definitely an overlapping vibe, though, worth investigating for sure...

Harvest Time off this:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/MyJazzWorld/SO5iM5Qvo2I/AAAAAAAADVY/_Ac7ce5N2DY/PharoahSanders_Pharoah.jpg

Hmmm, the image was there for a second. Anyway, it was Pharoah Sanders' "Pharoah" album (aka Harvest Time). It has lovely cover art too.

Okay maybe I made up that "(aka Harvest Time)" part. Anyway, I'll be quiet now.

Except to say that it can be heard here: http://myjazzworld.blogspot.com/2008/10/pharoah-sanders-pharoah.html

Nice, I've never heard this album

hey! this one hasn't been mentioned yet: Van Morrison's Common One! It opens and closes with a Silent Way tribute pretty much. Great album, by the way, maybe one of Van's most underappreciated? Maybe just underappreciated by me -- hadn't heard it til recently. I also heard some of the Necks, and yeah, they are rad too.

found a good selection for this thread, purchased on a whim this weekend:

herbie mann - the stone flute

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm181/karl_ktarn/3-34.jpg

here's a review i found online:

A startlingly original departure from the trademark soul-jazz sound of Herbie Mann, this spacious and atmospheric 1970 recording flows within the vein of Miles Davis' Bitches Brew-era explorations. Throughout the record, Mann's flute floats in and out over sparse string arrangements, a light and airy gust of psychedelic bliss. The album opens with the exotic Eastern sounds of "In Tangier," arranged with unmistakable references to the original version recorded by 60s pop-icon Donovan on Hurdy Gurdy Man. Violins, viola and cello are all used to create a feeling of sailing through the celestial ether in a stoned state of mind. The second track is a rare cover of "Flying," the spaced-out Beatles instrumental from The Magical Mystery Tour, which Mann manages to recreate with an even more hallucinatory vibe. "Miss Free Spirit" is a strongly avant-garde affair, held together by Miroslav Vitous (soon to join Weather Report), who keeps things grooving along with just the right amount of restraint. Vibraphonist Roy Ayers showcases his bold imagination and technical prowess as a forward-thinking jazz player, a talent that would soon be suppressed as his commercial funk persona took over in the 70s. A major highlight is guitarist Sonny Sharrock's solo on "Miss Free Spirit," which makes a strong case for why Miles Davis recruited him to play (albeit uncredited) later that year on the epic Jack Johnson soundtrack. This is a totally unique Herbie Mann record, a must for fans of late 60s and early 70s fusion experiments of the highest caliber.
---John Ballon (email)

The Tortoise thread revive made me go hunt down Jeff Parker's solo records, and they would fit the bill here.

"almost makes up for all those horrid weather report albums dude did...almost."

why hate? they put out some wonderful dreamy stuff. i remember hearing weather report for the first time expecting some bleating prog fusion stuff and i couldn't believe how ambientmellowpretty it was. (long time ago. first album with airto.)

i just don't like 'em i guess. i have a couple...heavy weather..and something else...

While admitting that I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, doesn't some Jon Hassell have the same vibe?

the earlier pre-jaco weather report stuff is different than the later stuff like heavy weather though. i think anyone who digs shorter/zawinul stuff with miles would dig the first WR album and the live in tokyo stuff.

i think i only have jaco type stuff. the way all the instruments sound on the two i have really bothers me....it gets my inner rockist/jazzist all up in arms.

the zawinul album i was talking about upthread is probably my favorite record i've bought this year so maybe i should check it out.

anyway i don't wanna be a negative nelly and distract peeps from peepin that herbie mann record, it's great!

have to say thanks again on this thread for the Necks reccs! Eeeyowch, they are incredible.

this album is like son of silent way: maybe a little funkier.

http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/10/albumcoverEddieHenderson-Sunburst.jpg

i think anyone who digs shorter/zawinul stuff with miles would dig the first WR album and the live in tokyo stuff.

― scott seward, Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:21 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark

live in tokyo is a GREAT record

Why was Sunn 0)))'s "Alice" from their last album (Monoliths & Dimensions) never added to this thread? Anyway, adding it now. ;-)))

In light of this - http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/miles-davis-in-a-silent-way-round-21-nicks-choice/ - I'm thinking I might pursue a few more of these soundalikes.

David Behrman - On the Other Ocean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGLg_d_0UDE

Always thought this was a shameless ripoff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xs4ddoxPtc

Post Up Your Mixtapes 2014

garrett list's your own self is giving me a bit of an in a silent way fed through minimalism vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJaLBtbhWs

The first two Weather Report albums with Miroslav Vitous on bass definitely fit in the Bitches Brew/In A Silent Way axis points.

There are other tunes later on in Weather Reports records that get into that area too.

that garrett list is really hitting the spot. thanks!

^^^ That Garrett List recording is spectacular indeed. Reminds me of Pharoah Sanders' Let Us Go Into The House Of The Lord. Pretty hard to buy though, it seems :(

this was mentioned upthread but wow this is similar and really good

http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/2/23/albumcoverJohnAbercrombie-Timeless.jpg?1203727973

Van Morrison's 'When Heart is Open', mentioned by Tyler upthread, is very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78-RiXhzz6M

8 years and no mention of Les McCann's Invitation to Openness?! It kind of slips into a Silent Way parody at times but it's a lovely warm listen,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYkosktnmg

Mercury rev played Ssh/Peaceful live, not sure how frequently, but it did make it onto Lego My Ego as part of a medley with Very Sleepy Rivers.

Thanks for the Paul Schutze recommendation - very much enjoying Apart.

you guys check this one out yet?
https://schlarb.bandcamp.com/album/plays-music-for-airports

I listened just the other day. Hmm. I think I like the first track, but I sort of lost interest (I know this is part of the point). What did you think?
I think I prefer the Bang On A Can version.

i thought they pulled it off nicely -- obviously very much "let's do music for airports like in a silent way" but i dig it.

I'm not super familiar with Music For Airports - own it, rarely listen to it - but that Psychic Temple version is VERY Silent Way. Nice.

Didn't Eno say his idea of ambient music came from listening to He Loved Him Madly from Get Up With It at semi audible volume as he lay in bed ill?
So some echoes of Miles might be likely.

It’s early 1975, and Brian Eno strains to hear the recording of 18th century harp music a friend has given him.

Eno is in recovery after being hit by a car and can barely get out of bed. After putting the record on with great difficulty and lying back down, he notices the volume is too low, and that one channel on his stereo is blown.

The sheer pain of moving forces him to listen to the record at a volume that barely eclipses the background sound of the room around it.

eno talked about he loved him madly in the On Land liners:

When I was in Ghana, for instance, I took with me a stereo microphone and a cassette recorder, ostensibly to record indigenous music and speech patterns. What I sometimes found myself doing instead was sitting out on the patio in the evenings with the microphone placed to pick up the widest possible catchment of ambient sounds from all directions, and listening to the result on my headphones. The effect of this simple technological system was to cluster all the disparate sounds into one aural frame; they became music.

Listening this way, I realised I had been moving towards a music that had this feeling; as the listener, I wanted to be situated inside a large field of loosely-knit sound, rather than placed before a tightly organised monolith (or stereolith, for that matter). I wanted to open out the aural field, to put much of the sound a considerable distance from the listener (even locating some of it “out of earshot”), and to allow the sounds to live their lives separately from one another, clustering occasionally but not “musically” bound together. This gave rise to an interesting technical difficulty. Because recording studio technology and practice developed in relation to performed music, the trend of that development has been towards greater proximity, tighter and more coherent meshing of sounds with one another. Shortly after I returned from Ghana, Robert Quine gave me a copy of Miles Davis’ “He Loved Him Madly”. Teo Macero’s revolutionary production on that piece seemed to me to have the “spacious” quality I was after, and like “Amarcord”, it too became a touchstone to which I returned frequently.

Always thought Talk Talk's last two albums have a heavy In A Silent Way vibe.

And then there's this... incredible Finnish spiritual jazz from the early 80s.

https://soundcloud.com/arclighteditions/jone-takamaki-trio-bhupala-i-ale003

was he talking about the fellini movie there or referencing some piece of music I'm unaware of?

yeah the fellini film
In using the term landscape I am thinking of places, times, climates and the moods that they evoke. And of expanded moments of memory too… One of the inspirations for this record was Fellini’s “Amarcord” (“I Remember”), a presumably unfaithful reconstruction of childhood moments. Watching that film, I imagined an aural counterpart to it, and that became one of the threads woven into the fabric of the music.
here's the whole essay: http://rootstrata.com/rootblog/?p=614

this year's "blackened cities" by melanie de biasio definitely has that sound going on.

This thread is livid with great recommendations - cheers for the de Biasio heads up rushomancy, great stuff.

8 years and no mention of Les McCann's Invitation to Openness?! It kind of slips into a Silent Way parody at times but it's a lovely warm listen,

― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Friday, July 1, 2016 12:17 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this rules

wendell harrison's "an evening with the devil" (1972) definitely belongs here. check the passage that kicks in around 6 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTEVljdZnHY

a lot of don cherry's '70s stuff fits here, too. particularly the passage that begins about 3 minutes into "chenrezig" from the "brown rice" album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8PK53DYGA

and also pretty much the entire terry riley / don cherry collaboration from 1975. cherry's horn comes in at around 3m40s and it is wonderful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6449e2LsUI

and then also maybe some of that later bill dixon stuff where he's sort of doing this drone thing and there's a lot of reverb.

and the last track on this chico freeman record. starts around 30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0hESHyPZI0

several of the tracks on Big Fun remind me of IASW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UT3qeqzejI

Recollections (from the extended version is a reworking of Ssh/Peaceful, innit? Either way, it's a miracle.

i stupidly have never checked out Big Fun because I figured it'd be full of the harsh side of things, i'm one of those sad folks who can't really hang with super-out-there 70s miles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hL_7b1sf-k

i stupidly have never checked out Big Fun because I figured it'd be full of the harsh side of things, i'm one of those sad folks who can't really hang with super-out-there 70s miles

No, it's exactly the opposite, except for "Go Ahead John." The other tracks are all on the In a Silent Way/Side Two-of-A Tribute to Jack Johnson spectrum. "Ife" is practically ambient dub.

yeah — the wild/intense stuff is maybe what's best known from Miles' 1970s, but even things like Agharta have moments that are just beautiful.

right on! i'll check it out tonight

yeah tbh i've meant to dig into the other stuff, it just all seems so daunting and massive.

yeah, not to say there isn't plenty of "out" playing and general freakiness, but especially in 74-75, I've found a bunch of subtler/gentler stuff creeping into the live shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnnBifdSbqA

^ Oof, tasty. Kind of Sextant + IASW, in 15/8/time!

This Circle feat. Verde album sounds like a meditation on IASW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEnzGI_vXBQ

Heard Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay for the first time last night through a friend's really nice sound system, and it was spectacular and in a similarly silent way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9aGUom3Bk

I really like the version of that song on the CTI Allstars California concert lp played by the stripped down band
Freddie Hubbard (trumpet), Stanley Turrentine (tenor saxophone), George Benson (guitar), Johnny Hammond (keyboards), Ron Carter (upright bass), Billy Cobham (drums), Airto Moreira (percussion).

Title track of Red Clay is still one of my fave CTI jams

A friend gave me Red Clay on vinyl a few years back; I played it once and filed it away. I'm listening to it now via the link above and it's better than I remember. Doesn't have IASW's languid spaciness, though.

that mal waldron track upthread is radical. annoying that copies of that record are so pricey (appears to be on spotify though).

was gonna mention that julian priester "love,love" embedded above - what an extraordinary cut (side one esp but both are huge)

The Call by Mal Waldron is so excellent, and I think sadly it's his only material where he plays electric piano.

If anyone needs another hot version of Red Clay (and truthfully they're all pretty hot) - Freddie & Joe Henderson guest on Charles Earland's 'Leaving This Planet' and it rips. About a decade later there's a Hubbard LP titled Classics that has Henderson again along with Bobby Hutcherson and it's choice. Well worth seeking.

As for the thread topic I would second The Jewel In The Lotus. Just a great, great record.

Red Clay and Straight Life are both excellent albums; so is Stanley Turrentine's Sugar, which also has Hubbard, Benson, and Carter, plus Lonnie Liston Smith on keyboards.

damn is there a CTI thread? every time I get a CTI rec it sends me down a smooth, big budget rabbit hole

This whole album is beautiful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huurRUUBl7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgGaxJ3glLo

Think Benny Maupin's "Jewel in the Lotus" is pretty reminiscent and has other Miles veterans besides himself playing on it (H. Hancock; Buster Williams; Billy Hart etc.).

that Harvest Time by Sanders upthread is spectacular

Great record, one of his best. Too bad it’s so scarce without a legit reissue.

So much great stuff in this thread. I'd add that many versions of "Dark Star" played by the Grateful Dead in 1973 and 74 give off strong "Shh/Peaceful" vibes with their mellow fusion-oriented improv in the mixolydian mode and Keith Godchaux on Fender Rhodes.

Prime example from 8/1/73:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QsoDMEXFXM

Is there a Godwin's for Grateful Dead? :)

Radiohead seem to have some sounds lifted from Miles electric era particularly from In A Silent Way/Bitches Brew. E.g Trumpet line in “Bloom”, electric keyboards in “Subterranean Homesick alien”, Kinetic even samples Miles Davis iirc... they seem to like Miles Davis and Mingus a lot (but then again who doesn’t?)... can’t think of any more specific examples but there’s some textures and production choices from OKC onwards which seem to be sprinkled with influeces from Miles’ electric era.

Shuggie Otis (this was a bonus track on the Luaka Bop reissue of Inspiration Information) Freedom Flight is def in the silent way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7iWxvl6sY

don't think this has been mentioned yet, Idris Muhammed "Peace"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls0nFVV58Xg

https://open.spotify.com/track/0yFSGJ79Id2e1EENqmVeWA
A.D. Buchanan's Armchair Gospel from Danish trumpet player Jacob Buchanan fits - featuring Jakob Bro on guitar and Marilyn Mazur (who played with Miles) on drums

such a jam

Another one not named: Terje Rypdal's song Ghostdancing is almost surely an homage (and has hints of Pharaoh's Dance).

Excellent UK post-jazz band Dinosaur's latest album has some great Silent Way type moments on it. I recommend. I also recommend their more immediate previous album

https://i2.wp.com/www.birdistheworm.com/wp-content/uploads/Dinosaur-Wonder-Trail.jpg?fit=355%2C355&ssl=1

^ These ppl annoy me for A) never having heard of J Mascis and B) not being legally obliged to amend their band name.

They're very nice people though and come across very lovely on stage

^ These ppl annoy me for A) never having heard of J Mascis and B) not being legally obliged to amend their band name.

where are the former members of jefferson airplane when you need them?

I can't tell who's joking or what but isn't that 60/70s band the reason that Dinosaur Jr had to add the "Jr"?

oh wow never mind I looked it up so this is another new band haha I'd never seen the original 60s one and that cover could be from whenever

so they'll be Dinosaur Jr Jr

I always take a token brit-jazz Mercury prize nom as an indelible stain on a band's character, much more than whatever the heck their bloody name is!

The Dinosaurs were ex members of several ballroom scene SF bands at least one of whom had legal training and sued the Amherst band over use of their name,. I think that was after the 2nd lp, & they actually played in London under the original non-augmented name at the end of 87.
Surprised me that this jazz band could come along and use the name without comment but maybe the people who brought the late 80s lawsuit are retired or dead

Dinosaur UK?

this is why the arthur russell project became "dinosaur l", right?

Sanctuary from Bitches Brew sounds a good deal like ISW.

"Nowhere" by Bob Moses (recorded in 1967-68 but shelved until 2003) gives off strong proto-IaSW vibes. shame it doesn't continue for another 15 or 20 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnqcOwMjb0

this track by Luis Gasca starts off sounding like IASW rip, the rest of the album, For Those Who Chant, has other stuff going on (Carlos Santana, chanting etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVMV2VyiKr4

I love that album. The personnel is amazing: Gasca on trumpet, Joe Henderson on tenor sax, Hadley Caliman on flute, Carlos Santana and Neal Schon on guitars, Richard Kermode on organ, George Cables, Gregg Rolie and Mark Levine on piano and/or electric piano, José "Chepito" Areas on vibes, Stanley Clarke on bass, Lenny White and Michael Shrieve on drums, Carmelo Garcia and Coke Escovedo on timbales, Mike Carabello and Victor Pantoja on congas, and Garnette Mims, Joan MacGregor, Rico Reyes, and Snooky Flowers on other percussion.

It's only ever been released on CD once, in Japan, and the prices on Discogs are far more than I'm willing to pay.

Brand-new music from Anthony Nemet, who's collaborated a bunch with Meg from U.S. Girls and her husband Max Turnbull--this is In A Supersilent Way, but IMO he nails it, maybe uncannily so but man I love this sound (another band from here in Toronto that I'd also recommend to folks, who are friends of/peers with Anthony but come from the Soft Machine/prog end of jazz fusion, would be Zacht Automaat):

https://tonypriceto.bandcamp.com/album/interview-discount

lol, “Zacht Automaat” looks like a failed English-to-Dutch translation of “Soft Machine” (correct would be “Zachte Automaat”)

It is--the bandleader, Carl Didur, is a huge Softs fan

this tony price record is crazy

is he sampling or did he actually manage to get a band to sound like this or is it both ?

He has good/interesting horn players on the session (Daniel Pencer on bass clarinet plays live with Andy Shauf; Andy Haas on sax was in Martha & The Muffins early on and now plays in the Cosmic Range), which helps IMO, and obv treated the sounds (electric keys, etc.) for max Teology

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2020/05/26/tune-in-zone-out-silent-ways/

Eddie Henderson's Sunburst

― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:11 AM

his two mid-70s blue notes (sunburst and heritage) are so appropriate for this topic. more polished and funky than what miles had done, but the more i hear those two albums through the years, the better they sound. there's a very opaque quality to them that i just can't articulate - there's moments on both that still don't sound like anything else to me.

also here's a fun late 70s eddie henderson tune-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1GDzvHtMI

"connie" (1977)

All but one of Henderson's '70s albums are good to great. For those who don't know, Realization and Inside Out are basically Mwandishi albums released under Henderson's name, and then Sunburst, Comin' Through, Heritage and Mahal are all slick jazz-funk gradually evolving into disco. He made one more album, 1979's Runnnin' To Your Love, that I've never heard, but he's lying down shirtless on the cover, caressing a flugelhorn, and I think I'm safe in passing on it.

there's a donald byrd record from the late 60s called Kofi

just getting around to this. excellent.

oooh yes that is v nice

Checking Kofi out now and wow, yes this is the good stuff. Loving the buttery tremolo'd Rhodes. Thanks for the bump, budo

kofi is indeed dope. that material went unreleased until the mid-90s!

as unperson noted on the reissue thread, that Luis Gasca record mentioned a bit upthread here has been reissued again in South Korea

only 12 posts until someone mentioned The Necks, good job ILM

haha i guess this is where I learned about the Necks, way back in 2008! I love them.

would love to see them live!
decent 2022 release too https://thenecksau.bandcamp.com/track/imprinting

obv a very different beat from tony williams so not sure how similar

I’ve seen them three times, always different, always the same. The last one was in the open air at dusk, I was fucking levitating by the end of it.

their live shows are almost embarrassingly sexual

Found this, which I think is a compilation of 3 tracks from the same tv show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlZnnRsPOc

& if nobody's said Santana's Lotus it is pretty great in a liquid electric jazz way hich may not be exactly referent to that particular Miles lp but fits into the continuum. & has Leon Thomas onboard.

Donald Byrd's Ethiopian Knights is pretty great too.

& Sonny Sharrock's Paradise is more balmy funk stuff with clouds of noise guitar . Again not sure if it does directly reference IASW but is a bit of an outlier in his catalogue for that balmy sunny funk stuff. That extended Whiskey A Go GO by the Herbie Mann group is also interesting since its that band from the turn of the 70s with some versions of tracks from the Sharrock's more avant late 60s lps being played.

Lego My Ego the bonus disc that acme with Yerself Is Steam at one point had a version of Very Sleepy Rivers that went in and out of a track they called Shh Peaceful . I thought it was the version from this set so should be this one. Haven't listened to this through to see how much it shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bm4iNxvTpI

I did find Mercury Rev mixed into various eras of Miles very well anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6ZLG41C6s

Psychic Temple - Music For Airports (Live Studio Performance)

yes! this rules, wow

nice!

this one fits in: https://cached.media/homage

Not obscure, but after listening to In A Silent Way since age 17, I loved discovering Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay a few years ago.

totally. don't sleep on Straight Life either

Nice one tyler - like that.

Do we need an ambient Americana thread? I guess the Fahey one does the trick but still...

not a bad idea — there's that "wide open desert music" thread, but that might be slightly more specific

Got to say the 2 keyboard version of the Allman Brothers with Chuck Leavell on electric piano and only Dickie on guitar doing “Elizabeth Reed” off the Wipe the Windows live album has a silent way vibe. Worth checking out if unfamiliar with the take.

one of the biggest miles rips ever; intentionally so. still good imo-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEdP5DWFRcc
mark !sh@m ― "azael"

did you know our friend mark is a fairly hardcore scientologist?

Yup but I still listen to Miles too, despite the latter's own personal shit

Huh. I didn’t know that. I guess he might be responsible for Van Morrison giving a special thanks to L Ron Hubbard in the liner notes to Inarticulate Speech of the Heart.

i ask this mostly from a place of ignorance because my knowledge of both groups is very superficial-
what about some of isotope 217 + chicago underground duo stuff?

(also kinda want a similar discussion for bands/albums/songs that rip bitches brew because have ya'll heard vitamin f by fontanelle? if yer gonna rip something off, that's how it's done!)

Vitamin F is great; if you like that, I also recommend checking out Vibration Black Finger's Blackism.

will do ty!

also kind of answering my own question, here's the chicago underground duo doing a sorta sparse miles/gil evans mood-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIlHBjdZsoI
"red gradations" (2000)

that's great.

Not to make it weird, but the 10-piece jazz-adjacent band I lead just released a record from our first pro-studio session, where the keyboard player had access to a nice Rhodes--accordingly, maybe this back half of the 15-min B-side on it where that Fender Rhodes playing is most prominent is the one time we ventured In A Similarly Silent Way? Curious as to what ILMers might think, and if it isn't your bag, then no biggie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0iL6kAol3I

(Ah, the timestamp didn't seem to work--Rhodes-prominent Kinda Silent Way section starts at around 7:05)

not to make it weird, but this is really excellent music imo

Cheers! Thank you for typing that--I'd also rec one of the horn players in the band, Brodie West's Eucalyptus for a more properly-pedigree'd actual jazz group (I OTOH am musically illiterate/need to hire a bandmate who is an arranger to make 'real' charts) with half of these same players in it: https://brodiewest.bandcamp.com/track/squiggly-line

Brodie also has a quintet that's less groovy/with more jagged rhythmic edges to it (am trying to keep these specific track selections at least very vaguely Silent-Way-y, sorry for thread derail): https://brodiewest.bandcamp.com/track/fortress

craig, does you ilx mail work?

craigfraid at the googlemail should do the trick!

great thanks!

cosign this is great!

Terje Rypdal’s. “ What Comes After” from 1974 has boodles of Bitches Brew/Silent Way vibe with some of that icy ECM atmospherics.

I had heard this record a few times years ago and pulled it out this morning and thought it sounded pretty good to me. Definitely going to give it some more listens.

Sounds good to me this morning, thanks for the recommendation

The second track on that LP reminds me a bit of early Tangerine Dream. It is a pretty far out record for 1973 as parts of it sound near ambient music too.

The self-titled Terje Rypdal one on ECM from 1971 is supposed to be pretty good too, which I have on my internal list to check out.

The first four Rypdal albums on ECM: s/t, What Comes After, Whenever I Seem to Be Far Away, and Odyssey, are all great. Also check out Sart, collectively billed to Jan Garbarek, Rypdal, Arild Andersen and Jon Christensen.

Enthusiastic cosign on Rypdal's What Comes After. I hear it as an album-length exploration of the sonic world established by Miles on "Yesternow" from Jack Johnson.

Also Descendre from 1980 is outstanding. Some of the most futuristic jazz I know, esp. "Circles" and "Innseiling"

"Keep It Like That - Tight" on Terje Rypdal is practically a re-write of "Yesternow" - different notes but a carbon-copy arrangement.

The long title track of Whenever I Seem to Be Far Away is a pretty singular mix of ECM-style fusion, 20th-century classical and space-rock guitar.

Astonished, for all the Necks talk, that nobody mentioned https://underworld.bandcamp.com/album/drift-underworld-the-necks
especially "A Very Silent Way"

"Keep It Like That - Tight" on Terje Rypdal is practically a re-write of "Yesternow" - different notes but a carbon-copy arrangement.

Just listening to this alb now - final track, 'Tough Enough', also leans v heavily on 'Right Off'.

Thanks to this thread I just ordered three of the first four Rypdal albums from ECM (Odyssey isn't available right now).

Odyssey is available as a 3CD box (it was originally a double LP) with a bonus third disc of otherwise unavailable live stuff. Worth it.

https://www.discogs.com/release/3687568-Terje-Rypdal-Odyssey-In-Studio-In-Concert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANC0mWz-cY
khan jamal - scandinavian dawn

Van Morrison's Common One! It opens and closes with a Silent Way tribute pretty much.

haha, yes! i am just getting to this point in my van journey; so here i am. i guess it's all pretty much connected

Common One completely rules--would also highly rec the Montreux 1980 Van set (posting "Haunts Of Ancient Peace" from that since it's the Silent Way-iest song on that setlist): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6G34zJzcAU

awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfh-tGLPlBI

Blutations--thanks for posting, a cool interp for sure

Awesome drumming and Reese Wynans playing out this world on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-z9mI1GzR0

Thanks for sharing that, that is really nice.

One of John Zorn's current projects, Chaos Magick, features a lot of trippy organ and atmosphere. This is the first track from their new album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7wcPcfRCE

Came across a couple of similar silent ways in some search through the grand archives.

Donald Byrd- Blackbyrd - Live at Montreaux 1973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMGfk83k9s4

This is a really cool groove and I love the separation of jobs among the group.

"Sure I can hold the trumpet with one hand and play that percussion part..."

The pull out of the camera where you can both see the band and the audience's feet caught my eye watching people dig to the music.

I thought was awesome and have watched it quite a few times. Seems like something some of you people might dig if you never saw it before.

Awesome sound and video production for the time too.

That performance was released on CD recently as Live: Cookin' With Blue Note At Montreux; it's really good. Includes a version of Stevie Wonder's "You've Got It Bad Girl" and three pieces not on any of his studio albums.

Nice. Need to keep that in mind.

Man it would probably be awesome fun to take the hot tub time machine and hang out at Montreux in the early 70s. I bet that was an interesting scene mix.

At least to my midwest US understanding, that seems that is like the richy rich party town that has a bit of a bohemian background. Don't know much about it this side of a Rick Stieb video, knowing Smoke on the Water and a lot of live music videos from the festival.

Rick Steves not Dave Stieb...different traveler.

That was cool thanks!
What's the drummer keep looking at off to his right?

mmm, i thought of this thread when i was listening to harold budd's pavilion of dreams, specifically the first song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSpNJlYIhMA