I remember reading a few months ago in a book (it may have been "There's a Riot Goin' On") that Jean-Luc Godard said, when filming the Jefferson Airplane in concert for a film of his, that the band "epitomized everything (Godard) is about." This got me thinking about what a perfect match the filmmaker and the band seemed to be for each other. Both Godard and J.A. were icons of the 1960s counter culture, painfully self-indulgent at their worst, briefly Maoist, and though highly original they seem incredibly dated today. Now while some of those similarities are subjective opinions of mine, it made me think of a second, even better, idea: how many other filmmakers have a matching rock band/pop star?
Right off the top I could think of Quentin Tarantino/Pavement. They both ascended around the same time, are incredibly smartass, have always enticed critics with their vast knowledge of film and rock and roll's past (and the way they can litter their works with homages and in-jokes that only fellow buffs will appreciate), and both still have a strong presence amongst undergrads. I'm sure there are many more similarities between those two.
Anyway, what other filmmaker-band connections can we make? Does Steven Spielberg have a corresponding band? Is Wes Andersen/Belle and Sebastian a fit, or is that just the obvious answer? What about Scorsese/Rolling Stones? This could be fun, ILM.
― Cunga, Friday, 24 October 2008 03:24 (seventeen years ago)
I thought Tarantino was the Jesus Lizard.
― ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 03:26 (seventeen years ago)
tarantino's more of a pavement to me.
― Kevin Keller, Friday, 24 October 2008 03:59 (seventeen years ago)
that's the most disgusting blasphemy i've ever heard.
― the bourgeoisie and the rebel (Stevie D), Friday, 24 October 2008 04:03 (seventeen years ago)
David Cronenberg/Aphex Twin
damn stevie, must be a boring life you lead :pxp
― Kevin Keller, Friday, 24 October 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)
Tarkovsky- Sigur Rós
― Vision, Friday, 24 October 2008 04:09 (seventeen years ago)
Orson Welles/Scott Walker
― Cunga, Friday, 24 October 2008 04:12 (seventeen years ago)
Chris Marker, Robert Ashley.
― ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 04:57 (seventeen years ago)
Bill Forsyth - Roddy Frame/Aztec Camera?
― Cunga, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:33 (seventeen years ago)
Beyond the collaboration on Faces, Cassavetes and Mingus shared a scrappy outlook and prickly humor. And both were happy blurring the line between composing/scripting and improvisation. It's always hard to tell what's planned and what being made up in their work.
― bendy, Friday, 24 October 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)
Obvious answer: Scorsese/Clash
― Jazzbo, Friday, 24 October 2008 17:58 (seventeen years ago)
ed wood - misfits
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 19:01 (seventeen years ago)
Woody Allen/SparksDavid Lynch/Pere Ubu
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Friday, 24 October 2008 19:07 (seventeen years ago)
Wes Anderson would like to be matched with the Kinks but it is actually Vampire Weekend
Also Tarkovsky/ Sigue Ros? No-o-o-o-o.....!
He's worth Can at least, and they're about on a level with Luc Besson or somesuch
― sonofstan, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
ha!
― Cunga, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:41 (seventeen years ago)
otm
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
rob zombie/rob zombie
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Friday, 24 October 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
Tarantino is no where near as boring as Pavement.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
that's the other way around.
― ian, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:56 (seventeen years ago)
Nope it's right.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 21:58 (seventeen years ago)
i mentioned it for the obvious postmodern influences in each artist's work.
i find it sad that someone could be so pathetically humorless to call pavement "boring".
― Kevin Keller, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)
Yes, cuz Pavement such good joke-rock, of course.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)
Anyway not to derail the thread, I think I could see someone like Kubrick = Scott Walker. Woody Allen seems more like Prince to me.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
minus some of the sauciness obv.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
The image of Woody dressed in a purple jumpsuit, tootling a pink clarinet (oh, er) springs irrestibly to mind.....Otherwise, not sure I see it?Richard Curtis/ James Blunt?Dickie Attenborough/ Sting?
and a good one:Duke Ellington/ Howard Hawks
― sonofstan, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:12 (seventeen years ago)
Who matches with the Smiths? John Schlesinger?
Oh, and I guess we can get the obvious out of the way with Warhol/Velvet Underground.
― Cunga, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:26 (seventeen years ago)
Woody Allen and Prince is inspired, really.Others:Richard Linklater / PavementGodard / Beatles (think about it)Fassbinder / Velvet UndergroundScorsese / Rolling StonesAntonioni (or Visconti) / Roxy MusicAltman / Captain Beefheart?What band is Cassavettes?
― iago g., Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:30 (seventeen years ago)
boetticher- link wrayis john waters germs or flipper?fassbinder- half japanese or maybe gg allin if he was gooddreyer-kraftwerk
are any of these right? this is hard.
also bresson-homosexuals if they did more than one album? maybe pole.wes anderson- esquivel
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:33 (seventeen years ago)
What band is Hitchcock?(It's amazing what smoking a bowl does to this thread)
― iago g., Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:34 (seventeen years ago)
hitchcock could be serge gainsborg or maybe birthday party
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:52 (seventeen years ago)
(It's amazing what smoking a bowl does to this thread)
Alas, far too many of my threads go well with that.
― Cunga, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:53 (seventeen years ago)
I'm kind of teetering on the edge of committing to Guy Maddin/Magnetic Fields...
― dlp9001, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:55 (seventeen years ago)
Oh yeah, you couldn't have thought of that without being highGreat idea btw.
― iago g., Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:55 (seventeen years ago)
well, thank you
― Cunga, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:34 (seventeen years ago)
John Waters and the B-52s
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:47 (seventeen years ago)
steven spielberg/?
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:52 (seventeen years ago)
i was thinking michael jackson but spielberg is still successful and popular
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:53 (seventeen years ago)
Spielberg and U2 - both over-earnest and prone to large hammy gestures.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:55 (seventeen years ago)
B-52's is good but dosent have the shock value needed for his early films? Otherwise perfect fit.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:59 (seventeen years ago)
Robert Bresson- Ornette Coleman
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:24 (seventeen years ago)
So, essentially, filmmakers I like are musicians I don't like?
― Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:28 (seventeen years ago)
Spielberg and U2
― Kevin Keller, Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:34 (seventeen years ago)
What specifically are you referring to Eric?
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:53 (seventeen years ago)
The fact that I like most of these directors and dislike most of these musicians.
― Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:54 (seventeen years ago)
Like which filmmaker is the Isley Brothers?
― Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 04:55 (seventeen years ago)
Larry Cohen
― Alex in SF, Saturday, 25 October 2008 05:09 (seventeen years ago)
Which musicians do you like? Very hard to have a discussion over generalities. Perhaps it could work the other way round.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 05:16 (seventeen years ago)
OK, I want filmmakers who match with Roy Ayers Ubiquity, Masters at Work, Wonderlove, The Gap Band, The Supremes, One Way, Parliament, Daft Punk, Basement Jaxx, Earth Wind & Fire, A Tribe Called Quest and Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band.
― Eric H., Saturday, 25 October 2008 05:29 (seventeen years ago)
who is spike lee?
― Kevin Keller, Saturday, 25 October 2008 06:02 (seventeen years ago)
A Tribe Called Quest - Spike Lee - maybe he is too serious? makes wordy, dense films, perhaps without the sense of fun that tribe have.Daft Punk - Luc Besson - Frenchie who makes garish, bright films with plenty of actionThe Supremes - Ron Howard - lots of lightweight fun hits.Parliament- someone with a singular, eccentric and funky vision? not moving too far outside the genre you have created. nothing comes to mind.
Don't know some of these too well. Perhaps some music dosent have its own director.
Douglas Sirk - this shouldn't be too hard...nope..Gene Pitney?Preston Sturges- Bo Diddley
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 06:09 (seventeen years ago)
Spike Lee - Boogie Down ProductionsCohen Brothers - Drive-By Truckers
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 25 October 2008 06:46 (seventeen years ago)
Yes. BDP thats much better.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2008 06:51 (seventeen years ago)
Todd Solandz = dude from Xiu Xiu (with a little Michael Haneke or Lars von Trier thrown in for good measure)
― Pillbox, Saturday, 25 October 2008 09:20 (seventeen years ago)
Oliver Stone = the pretense of Rage Against the Machine x the artifice of Audioslave
― Pillbox, Saturday, 25 October 2008 09:26 (seventeen years ago)
Lynch = Eno
― Pillbox, Saturday, 25 October 2008 09:27 (seventeen years ago)
Christ, I could be thinking about this for hours. I've gotta sleep..
― Pillbox, Saturday, 25 October 2008 09:28 (seventeen years ago)
Terrence Malick = John Fahey?
― sonofstan, Saturday, 25 October 2008 09:41 (seventeen years ago)
Which band is Cameron Crowe?
― Cunga, Saturday, 25 October 2008 21:24 (seventeen years ago)
Remy Belvaux=Mark E smith.
― Sven Hassel Schmuck, Saturday, 25 October 2008 22:38 (seventeen years ago)
Cassavettes - Yo La Tengo
Steven Soderbergh - Paul McCartney, battling between populist mainstream work and edgy experimental pieces.
Francis Ford Coppola - Television/Tom Verlaine, one canonical piece of work, several other well regarded but less successful experimental pieces.
― Billy Dods, Saturday, 25 October 2008 22:48 (seventeen years ago)
michael bay = the prodigy
― the bourgeoisie and the rebel (Stevie D), Sunday, 26 October 2008 03:00 (seventeen years ago)
Prince/The Revolution ;)
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 26 October 2008 03:18 (seventeen years ago)
More on-topic perhaps: George Lucas=ELO
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 26 October 2008 03:19 (seventeen years ago)
OTM
― Cunga, Sunday, 26 October 2008 05:35 (seventeen years ago)
who is radiohead?
― Kevin Keller, Sunday, 26 October 2008 05:40 (seventeen years ago)
radiohead = paul thomas anderson
― tipsy mothra, Sunday, 26 October 2008 06:15 (seventeen years ago)
YES OTM
― Kevin Keller, Sunday, 26 October 2008 07:05 (seventeen years ago)
Michael Bay:Dragonforce
― 8 HOOS Dog (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 October 2008 07:17 (seventeen years ago)
Obvious one but John Ford/ The BandWho's Sergio Leone? (apart from Ennio Morricone)
― sonofstan, Sunday, 26 October 2008 09:51 (seventeen years ago)
If Paul Anderson is Radiohead then I guess that makes Robert Altman Pink Floyd (and they do match: zany early work followed by increasingly ambitious and murky mid-1970s period and then they fall wildly out of fashion by the 1980s).
― Cunga, Monday, 27 October 2008 02:17 (seventeen years ago)
who's jodorowsky?
― the bourgeoisie and the rebel (Stevie D), Monday, 27 October 2008 02:57 (seventeen years ago)
Jodorowsky is a musician himself isn't him?
― Moka, Monday, 27 October 2008 05:05 (seventeen years ago)
Jodorowsky = Devendra Banhart perhaps?
They both like sprinkling their output with an uneven mixture of jocular humour and fey mysticism. Their body of work has a sinister dichotomy between childlike innocence and sinisterly demented storytelling...
― Moka, Monday, 27 October 2008 05:11 (seventeen years ago)
oops fucked up that last sentence but I think it's still understandable.
― Moka, Monday, 27 October 2008 05:13 (seventeen years ago)
I'd say Todd Solondz = Magnetic Fields
― daavid, Monday, 27 October 2008 05:21 (seventeen years ago)
I'd say Zach Braff = The Shins
― the bourgeoisie and the rebel (Stevie D), Monday, 27 October 2008 05:26 (seventeen years ago)
lol
― Kevin Keller, Monday, 27 October 2008 05:28 (seventeen years ago)
obvious, Gondry = The White Stripes
― Disco/Very (Roz), Monday, 27 October 2008 05:30 (seventeen years ago)
Jarmusch = well, wait a minute. The obvious answer would be Tom Waits, but he's really too heart-on-sleeve to rep for J's style. Definitely some NYC dudes though. Tom Verlaine, Dean Warham and/or Thurston Moore?
― Pillbox, Monday, 27 October 2008 10:26 (seventeen years ago)
Kenneth Anger = in equal parts: John Zorn, Peter Brotzman, Jandek, The Residents & Roky Erickson?
― Pillbox, Monday, 27 October 2008 10:41 (seventeen years ago)
I don't see Paul Anderson being Radiohead outside of matching era and the Greenwood connection. A better fit would be LCD Soundsystem/James Murphy. Both are critical favorites who have the show-offish aesthetic of the movie buff/record collector mixed with smartass and the ability to pull of unexpected moments of great pathos.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 03:46 (seventeen years ago)
Ken Russell = Queen (campy, exquisitely produced)Sam Peckinpah = Motorhead (explosive, Old West aficionados)Edward D. Wood, Jr. = Venom (lovably inept, Grade Z produciton values)Preston Sturges = Roxy Music?Stanley Kubrick = Pink Floyd (I dunno, just because)
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 08:08 (seventeen years ago)
Sidney Lumet?
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 08:43 (seventeen years ago)
Sidney Lumet = Curtis Mayfield? - great craft, deep humanism, slight worthiness?
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 08:56 (seventeen years ago)
Scott Walker/ Robert BressonFatboy Slim/ Quentin TarantinoJohnny Cash/ John FordDeath In June/ Luchino Visconti
And the Beatles = Hitchcock, totally classic and unescapable touchstone.
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:39 (seventeen years ago)
Sidney Lumet = Curtis Mayfield could work although it doesn't capture the modern day Vin Diesel-aspect
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:16 (seventeen years ago)
Terry Zwigoff = Butthole Surfers
― bendy, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:22 (seventeen years ago)
― Vision, Friday, 24 October 2008 04:09 (1 month ago)
So wrong on so many levels.
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 13:51 (seventeen years ago)
Mike Leigh = the Go-Betweens?
― mottdeterre, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:38 (seventeen years ago)
Just back from getting a head full of Novocain. You're right: drugs help this thread.
Oliver Stone = Guns ’N’ RosesLouis Buñeul = of MontrealCatherine Breillat = PeachesPedro Almodóvar = Army of LoversJim Jarmusch = White StripesWhit Stillman = the RochesTim Burton = My Chemical RomanceFellini = the TubesCecil B. DeMille = the Polyphonic SpreeBusby Berkeley = Scissor SistersTerrence Malick = Bruce SpringsteenLarry Clark = the Knack
― mottdeterre, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 19:01 (seventeen years ago)
Douglas Sirk = Roy OrbisonMike Leigh = The Beautiful SouthJodorowsky = Magma or Albert AylerRobert Downey (sr.) = Zappa or BeefheartDavid Lynch = Sonic YouthDavid Fincher = Nine Inch NailsGodard = Ornette ColemanDavid Cronenberg = Nick CaveAlan Smithee = ?
― sarahel, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 00:27 (seventeen years ago)
Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker=Beck (totally postmodernist and crowded with references to a lot of other stuff)
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 02:35 (seventeen years ago)
Oliver Stone = either Sting, U2, Bob Geldof or Peter Gabriel.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 02:44 (seventeen years ago)
Stanley Kubrick = Pink Floyd (I dunno, just because)― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
Spacy, cold, symmetrical, flashes of odd humor, anti-war, not afraid of long running times, perfectionist, not often photographed, after his death you get the Spielberg version (that would be Momentary Lapse of Reason).
Not sure where "Lolita" fits in.
― Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 03:51 (seventeen years ago)
I just can't stop thinking about these matchups...or trying to think up more of 'em.
Francis Ford Coppola = Brian Wilson/Beach BoysTerry Gilliam = Captain BeefheartDavid Lean = Dire StraitsJoel & Ethan Cohn = Was (Not Was)Wachowski Brothers = Chemical BrothersRidley Scott = David Bowie
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 4 December 2008 07:43 (seventeen years ago)
Oh I forgot: Billy Joel = William Friedkin
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 4 December 2008 07:53 (seventeen years ago)
I was going to say Coldplay, but this works just as well.
― ilxor, Thursday, 4 December 2008 07:53 (seventeen years ago)
I'm thinking Cohen Bros. are more = Tom Waits -- quirky characters, period pieces and genre studies that are "slightly off", critically regarded as well as relatively popular
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:51 (seventeen years ago)
Sofia Coppola - The Raveonettes
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:54 (seventeen years ago)
James Cameron = Phil Collins
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:58 (seventeen years ago)
Peter Jackson = Metallica
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:00 (seventeen years ago)
wtf how?
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:56 (seventeen years ago)
― bendy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 14:34 (seventeen years ago)
Jerry Lewis = the Who
― Sara Sara Sara, Thursday, 4 December 2008 15:33 (seventeen years ago)
Jarmusch = Morphine
dunno, low-key 'cool' without obviously Lurie/Lounge Lizards
Todd Haynes = Redd Kross
― Edward Figaro, Thursday, 4 December 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)
As for Coens = Waits, fair shout, what about his alcohol-soaked piano ballads though?
I'd say Coens = Beck - for reasons already listed plus the consistent shared criticism levelled at both - 'emotional investment' etc etc
― Edward Figaro, Thursday, 4 December 2008 16:20 (seventeen years ago)
Badlands=Red Cross for reals
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:27 (seventeen years ago)
M. Night Shamalayan = Radiohead (or Coldplay)
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:30 (seventeen years ago)
Wong Kar-Wai = Afghan Whigs
Woody Allen is Van Dyke Parks
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:32 (seventeen years ago)
Peter Jackson = Led Zeppelin
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:33 (seventeen years ago)
You're rong, Wong Kar Wai is prob DJ Shadow
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:33 (seventeen years ago)
Todd Haynes = Ariel Pink
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)
James Cameron = Phil Collinswtf how?
highly-crafted, highly-reliant on studio effects that they are hailed as masters/pioneers of (Terminator 2, The Abyss meet the electronic drums of In the Air Tonight), regularly accused of being hacks, though there are others far hackier and schlockier, guilty pleasures of people that have guilty pleasures about popular entertainment. Not as perfect a match as the Spielberg = U2 one, but I stand by it.
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)
As for Coens = Waits, fair shout, what about his alcohol-soaked piano ballads though? I'd say Coens = Beck - for reasons already listed plus the consistent shared criticism levelled at both - 'emotional investment' etc etc
I'd say the alcohol-soaked piano ballads are comparable in a sense to the Coen's thing for film noir -
But Beck, yeah, that's another good match, though I'd attach Beck to Todd Solondz, who plays with narrative structure akin to Beck's cut up style, lots of emotionally cold postmodern pastiche in both.
but maybe I'm doing too much matching up based on contemporaneity.
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 20:34 (seventeen years ago)
Paul Verhoeven = Madonna but I think there's probably a better one
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 December 2008 20:39 (seventeen years ago)
Try this: Stanley Kubrick = the Alan Parsons Project. A different theme/genre with every outting; icy sheen as unifying esthetic.
― mottdeterre, Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:01 (seventeen years ago)
M. Night Shamalayan = Radiohead
LOL WUT? what do you have against radiohead?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:18 (seventeen years ago)
Don't like disagreeing with you since you were nice about my Terrence Mallick/ John Fahey but I always thought (i.e. before this thread) that Woody and Elvis Costello were a match, at least with respect to each others bad qualities, Ach Nil fhios agam......
― sonofstan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:26 (seventeen years ago)
Ceart go leor, that's probably better
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:45 (seventeen years ago)
Gus Van Sant?
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:34 (seventeen years ago)
if scorsese = rolling stones, then spielberg = beatles...
― Hipster Loser-Loser (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 5 December 2008 00:01 (seventeen years ago)
Verhoeven so totally is Madonna.
― Nomi Malone and Her Bloodstains (Stevie D), Friday, 5 December 2008 00:05 (seventeen years ago)
Miranda July = Neutral Milk Hotel
Have we had Bunuel yet? I'm thinking Dylan, but only Blonde on Blonde to John Wesley Harding (incl. Basement Tapes) Dylan
― sonofstan, Friday, 5 December 2008 00:51 (seventeen years ago)
M. Night Shamalayan = Radiohead (or Coldplay)― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta)
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta)
This just makes me want to slap someone.
― Moka, Friday, 5 December 2008 03:49 (seventeen years ago)
M. Night Shamalayan = RadioheadLOL WUT? what do you have against radiohead?― k3vin k., Thursday, December 4, 2008 4:18 PM (6 hours ago)
― k3vin k., Thursday, December 4, 2008 4:18 PM (6 hours ago)
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 December 2008 03:50 (seventeen years ago)
seems pretty fair 2 me
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Friday, 5 December 2008 04:12 (seventeen years ago)
please elaborate
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 December 2008 04:14 (seventeen years ago)
2 drunk
― Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Friday, 5 December 2008 04:14 (seventeen years ago)
Bunuel = James Tenney or maybe Charles Ives, high art mixed with popular subject matter ...or if composers are going too far astray, you could go with the Pixies for the eyeball-slicing connection.
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 04:38 (seventeen years ago)
M. Night Shamalayan = RadioheadLOL WUT? what do you have against radiohead?
career trajectory is out of whack - it's gotta be someone that had one decent to good song or album and then made a bunch of utter garbage, I'm thinking sentimental ballads, that gets played on easy listening radio stations that you hear in offices.
Maybe Gus Van Sant would be Iggy Pop or Husker Du
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 04:52 (seventeen years ago)
what about Christopher Nolan?
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 04:57 (seventeen years ago)
sarahel almost otm, except maybe instead of "easy listening ballads" i'm thinking over-indulgent meaningful-core.
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 December 2008 05:04 (seventeen years ago)
David Bowie.
― ilxor, Friday, 5 December 2008 07:53 (seventeen years ago)
Jodorowsky = BeefheartBoth became underground cult figures in the 60s, continued to work sporadically for a few decades before becoming disillusioned with the industry and drifting off into other fields. They're both a little bit genius, a little bit megalomaniacal, and a little full of shit.
Fassbinder = Sun RaBoth were incredibly prolific and presided over a family of regular collaborators in an almost cult-like and sometimes communal situation.
― walterkranz, Friday, 5 December 2008 08:15 (seventeen years ago)
Hitchcock could be any of the 50s blues / early rock & roll artists who were considered genre fluff early in their career before being rediscovered by fans, critics and artists outside of the U.S. and ultimately canonized before they died.
― walterkranz, Friday, 5 December 2008 08:21 (seventeen years ago)
highly-crafted, highly-reliant on studio effects that they are hailed as masters/pioneers of (Terminator 2, The Abyss meet the electronic drums of In the Air Tonight)
I see your point, though I think it could be applied on the same grounds to someone with more cultural impact than Phil Collins. Like Eno or whatever. I don't understand how anyone could consider Cameron a guilty pleasure.
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 5 December 2008 09:32 (seventeen years ago)
Orson Welles = Elvis PresleyFrancis Ford Coppola = Led ZeppelinStanley Kubrick = Peter Gabriel (pre-Sledgehammer)Quentin Tarantino = Wu Tang Clan
Sorry if these are boring/predictable.
― SongOfSam, Friday, 5 December 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)
Richard Linklater - The Hold Steady?and maybe Welles should be Phil Spector?
― sonofstan, Friday, 5 December 2008 15:52 (seventeen years ago)
I see your point, though I think it could be applied on the same grounds to someone with more cultural impact than Phil Collins. Like Eno or whatever. I don't understand how anyone could consider Cameron a guilty pleasure
But does Cameron's work have a lot of cultural impact? Lots of people have seen it and like it. He's made a lot of money and won awards. But I'm trying to think of how his work was influential apart from the use of special effects and contributing to Arnold Schwarzenegger being elected governor of California. He hasn't invented or revolutionized a genre, experimented much with narrative structure or formal elements of film, or made a film that led to changes in society or popular media reflecting on society that happens with some mainstream film, like Fatal Attraction, Thelma and Louise, Traffic, Crash, etc.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "I don't understand how anyone could consider Cameron a guilty pleasure." As in, nobody who has "guilty pleasures" could take pleasure in Titanic or Terminator 2, or you don't see his work as being emotionally or cinematically manipulative and/or schlocky mainstream crap? Titanic. This is the guy that made Titanic.
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 19:52 (seventeen years ago)
re: M Night Shamalamadingdong
like Fallout Boy?
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 19:56 (seventeen years ago)
ehhh, that would imply that FOB have done something of worth. getting there though! (btw i'm not just taking the piss out of you here...i don't have an answer either lol)
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 December 2008 19:58 (seventeen years ago)
ehhh, that would imply that FOB have done something of worth.
yeah, that's the thing. Though I'm sure their legions of fans that like to respond to negative posts about the band that come up on google would disagree vehemently. But maybe they also liked "lady in the water" and "the happening," too.
responding to posts upthread:John Waters = The Cramps - fond of 1950s camp, tongue in cheek, initial shock value lapsed, still at itGuy Maddin = Jandek or maybe Daniel Johnston or someone with a singular wtf stylePeter Watkins = Ian Mackaye? or Cornelius Cardew (treatise = that very very long reenactment of the Paris Commune)maybe Godard would be Derek Bailey
Jodorowsky=beefheart - definitely works, though I was thinking of Albert Ayler for the religious connectionMiranda July = deerhoofMichael Haneke = Matmos?
― sarahel, Friday, 5 December 2008 20:30 (seventeen years ago)
James Cameron's '80s stuff (the Michael Biehn trilogy) = first-rate, as far as that sort of kinetic slam-bang action stuff goes.
James Cameron = Aerosmith, maybe
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 5 December 2008 23:18 (seventeen years ago)
Jodorowsky is definitely Beefheart. Good call.
M. Night Shamalayan= Radiohead however, is so wrong.
― Turangalila, Friday, 5 December 2008 23:23 (seventeen years ago)
beaten to the punch:
Terry Gilliam = Captain BeefheartJohn Waters = The Cramps
i was thinking Cohens = Steel Dan, maybe. fans of either - or both - will likely balk, but...
arch. barely contained (or not contained at all) contempt for characters (audience? selves?). consummate craftsmen. equally adept at comedy and tragedy, often in the same song/ film. two principals with somewhat ambiguous strengths & duties within the partnership.
(Dan have fewer misses imo)
― my inbox so hot (will), Friday, 5 December 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)
...wear antecedents on sleeves without being hacky
― my inbox so hot (will), Friday, 5 December 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)
So who would be Stan Brakhage? William Basinski? Some noise artist?
― i fuck mathematics, Saturday, 6 December 2008 09:55 (seventeen years ago)
Lynch would obv. be Zorn. Jarring, stylized, "postmodern" in an almost stereotypical way, weird noirish influences, often the token "avant-garde" pick of casual fans within their medium.
― i fuck mathematics, Saturday, 6 December 2008 10:02 (seventeen years ago)
I can see that. A better match than my upthread Sonic Youth pick, who I think would be a better match with Steven Soderberg - doing some more conventional and some experimental work, indie darling before working with majors, championing and encouraging the work of other up-and-comers
― sarahel, Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)
So who would be Stan Brakhage? William Basinski? Some noise artist?― i fuck mathematics, Saturday, 6 December 2008 09:55 (Yesterday)
― i fuck mathematics, Saturday, 6 December 2008 09:55 (Yesterday)
John Cage
― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 7 December 2008 02:49 (seventeen years ago)
Who would John Carpenter be?
― sarahel, Sunday, 7 December 2008 21:20 (seventeen years ago)
Who's Rob Reiner? A case could be made for Spinal Tap, sadly.
― Cunga, Monday, 8 December 2008 04:47 (seventeen years ago)
George Lucas - Weezer
― redmond, Monday, 8 December 2008 05:15 (seventeen years ago)
OTM, but what have Weezer contributed to the art of music making that would be analogous to ILM/Pixar?
― Millsner, Monday, 8 December 2008 05:33 (seventeen years ago)
OF COURSE John Waters = The Cramps, good one.
David Lynch = Pere Ubu
Pasolini could be lots of people, but Scott Walker could only be Pasolini.
John Carpenter = Black Sabbath, maybe?
M Night Shyamalan = Toto
Clive Barker = Van Dyke Parks (Hellraiser = Song Cycle, Lord Of Illusions = Jump)
Sam Raimi = Aerosmith
Tarkovsky = The Durutti Column, obviously
Haneke = Xiu Xiu
Van Sant is tricky. I'd say Eno. Early films = four solo records, Good Will Hunting and Finding Forrester = U2 and James, Gerry/Elephant/Last Days/Paranoid Park = ambient albums, Even Cowgirls Get The Blues = The Drop. No explanation for Psycho or No New York.
Who is Peter Weir?Who is David Cronenberg?
― Owen Pallett, Monday, 8 December 2008 07:21 (seventeen years ago)
Michael Cimino = Peter Frampton
John Boorman = Neil Young
― Owen Pallett, Monday, 8 December 2008 07:30 (seventeen years ago)
Well, JC always composes/performs his own soundtracks, so his equivalent would have to be some musician who always produces/directs his own videos.
xpost - Peter Weir = Dire Straits, Cronenberg = Marilyn Manson
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 8 December 2008 08:33 (seventeen years ago)
`OTM, but what have Weezer contributed to the art of music making that would be analogous to ILM/Pixar?
I'd posit - guitar driven power pop and 'emo', the pop cultural lyrical references and Spike Jonez videos. Both are beloved by geeks. Both started out cutting edge, with unexpected early success that has overshadowed their subsequent output and has been hugely influential on mass culture. Weird reclusive relationship with the public. Attempts at 'comebacks' met with mixed reactions.
― redmond, Monday, 8 December 2008 10:55 (seventeen years ago)
i rly like the Husker Du = Van Sant idea, but it's hard to make it fly through out Van Sant's entire career (maybe just Bob Mould???) or maybe Van Sant should be associated with somewhat in the Pacific Northwest, like, I don't know, Buzz Osborne...
i think Peter Weir = Eno & Cronenberg = Skinny Puppy prhaps?
― Hipster Loser-Loser (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 8 December 2008 12:50 (seventeen years ago)
maybe Weir = Van der Graaf Generator though??? (I'm really stretching myself here)
Who would Darren Aronofsky be? I'm thinking either Tool or Mars Volta.
― i fuck mathematics, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:05 (seventeen years ago)
haha!
― my inbox so hot (will), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
George Lucas = Paul McCartney for the money and influence and bad lyrics (corresponding with Lucas' godawful dialog), but I like the ELO comparison
John Carpenter = Sabbath works for me
I still stand by my Cronenberg = Nick Cave comparison: relatively brief period of rawer more experimental work corresponding with The Birthday Party, then a steady stream of work contending with common themes of bodily horror with references to larger cultural or sociopolitical themes in a similar vein to the Bad Seeds blues-type tales of love gone wrong with the religious and literary references. Then they both go soft - Cave doing more piano ballads, and Cronenberg doing crime thrillers.
― sarahel, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:39 (seventeen years ago)
Have we had Powell and Pressberger? because they're the Kinks
― sonofstan, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)
"pressburger"
― sonofstan, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:48 (seventeen years ago)
Clive Barker = Iron Maiden maybe, definitely a metal band though
Aronofsky = Tool or Rage Against the Machine
What about John Hughes and Alex Cox?
― sarahel, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:53 (seventeen years ago)
John Hughes = Tom Petty maybe?
― D'Andrelo, the gay white ex-con (Pillbox), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:09 (seventeen years ago)
For Cronenberg == Cave to work, Cronenberg would have to write a really amazing country album. I'm looking forward to this.
― walterkranz, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 01:48 (seventeen years ago)
Came to me in the car this morning listening to 'Flim-Flam Man' on the great budget 'Best of' Laura Nyro cassette I got recently: She's Martin Scorsese - at least up to Taxi Driver/ Ney York, New York era. This line from 'New York Tendaberry' - 'You look like a city/ But you feel like religion to me' capture the rapt devoted attention (early) MS pays to the place perfectly.
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:51 (seventeen years ago)
Kevin Smith = Weezer
Same era, early claim to fame was primarily through gigantic "Hai remember 1970s pop culture???" jokes; went personal and ambitious after their initial success (with polarizing results); and they both have rabid, nerdy fanbases. Also, in this decade, both have shamelessly returned to the well (Clerks II, countless Weezer singles) in an attempt to stay relevant. Um, their appeal is understandable but the idolatry they receive from some inconceivable?
This is probably my favorite ILM thread that I've created btw.
― Cunga, Thursday, 21 May 2009 06:56 (sixteen years ago)
Jack Smtih = Crash Worship
― Reassuring Drops, Thursday, 21 May 2009 07:07 (sixteen years ago)
for sure
Peter Bogdonavich = Todd Rundgren
― Cunga, Thursday, 21 May 2009 07:09 (sixteen years ago)
bela tarr = godspeed you! black emperor
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2009 07:38 (sixteen years ago)
and Cronenberg is definitely way more Skinny Puppy than Nick Cave
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2009 07:46 (sixteen years ago)
I've definitely drunkenly espoused the Blue Album=Clerks, Pinkerton=Mallrats theory before.
― Bathtime at the Apollo (G00blar), Thursday, 21 May 2009 08:06 (sixteen years ago)
there are some holes in this, but scott walker feels like a david lynch. the whole schmaltz mixed with the grotesque.
tarantino is kinda serge gainsbourg. or a more rock n roll stereolab.
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2009 08:37 (sixteen years ago)
Anyone read the recent Sunday NYTimes piece where QT talked about his new Nazi hunter movie? I thoguht he canme off as a Holy Idiot whose success is likely due to a set of congenital quirks and deficiencies -- making him the Wesley Willis of filmdom.
― mottdeterre, Thursday, 21 May 2009 16:22 (sixteen years ago)
Tarantino can get really excited and come off as sort of aspie or even idiot savantish at times, but I think calling him the Wesley Willis of film is a little extreme. I mean, as weird a dude QT is, he's not really on the same level as a schizophrenic outsider musician who belts out songs about sucking animals' dicks over Casio beats.
(not intending to slander Wesley Willis, just illustrating a point)
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2009 20:15 (sixteen years ago)
I think David Lynch = Jesus and Mary Chain
The first similarity is that their most revered work came out within a year of each other, then there is the way they both took traditional genres from yesteryear (both used innocent 1960s pop, and in BV the all-American boy's mystery case) and subversively warped them beyond belief - influencing legions of others. Lastly, there's the intentionally bad production (the feedback throughout Psychocandy, the fact that Blue Velvet's washed-out look was achieved by not developing the film footage correctly. In both cases people wondered whether these things were mistakes or aesthetic choices).
Psychocandy would actually soundtrack quite well to a few Blue Velvet scenes imo.
― Cunga, Thursday, 3 September 2009 03:52 (sixteen years ago)
Don't really agree with Mary Chain for Lynch. They just arent wierd or baffling in any way really whereas Lynch is a lot. He seems to be all about the sub concious and dream states- Mary Chain just foggy, dark, noisy pop songs. I would go with Sun Ra for Lynch or maybe Sun City Girls.
― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 3 September 2009 04:39 (sixteen years ago)
My comparison works better if you just single out Psychocandy and BV, now that I've thought about it.
― Cunga, Thursday, 3 September 2009 04:44 (sixteen years ago)
michael bay = the prodigy― the bourgeoisie and the rebel (Stevie D),
Michael Bay:Dragonforce― 8 HOOS Dog (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver),
Michael Bay - U2
― meisenfek, Thursday, 3 September 2009 05:29 (sixteen years ago)
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Michael Bay - KISS
― Moka, Thursday, 3 September 2009 05:55 (sixteen years ago)
Jim Jarmusch - The White Stripes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 3 September 2009 05:59 (sixteen years ago)
gaspar noé - genesis p-orridge
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 03:38 (sixteen years ago)
Walt Disney - Phil Spector
― dad a, Friday, 4 September 2009 03:42 (sixteen years ago)
guy ritchie - bloodhound gang
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)
If I said that Kevin Smith were Weezer, does that make Judd Apatow a kind of Blink 182?
― Cunga, Friday, 4 September 2009 04:12 (sixteen years ago)
roland emmerich - liberace
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 06:35 (sixteen years ago)
abel ferrara - iggy pop
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 06:43 (sixteen years ago)
werner herzog - moondog
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 06:45 (sixteen years ago)
Michael Herz & Lloyd Kaufman (troma) - Sam Sacks
― meisenfek, Friday, 4 September 2009 06:48 (sixteen years ago)
Sonic Youth is totally fucking Godard.
― also beheadings - have you seen any? (circa1916), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:57 (fifteen years ago)
this came from a conversation tonight that placed Herzog as SWANS and Godard as SY, btw.
― also beheadings - have you seen any? (circa1916), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:59 (fifteen years ago)
did jefferson airplane REALLY have a maoist phase??!!
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 08:59 (fifteen years ago)
godard prolly more like dylan
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:00 (fifteen years ago)
discounting the politics, SY and Godard totally hipster name-checking sorta shtick. also pretty radical, fucking shit up approach to their craft.
― also beheadings - have you seen any? (circa1916), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)
also all decent work done in first decade of career
― Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 11:53 (fifteen years ago)
(joeks, like some later Godard)
> Sonic Youth is totally fucking Godard.
Bad mental image.
― SongOfSam, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)
Michael Bay is Pendulum of course.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)
Sofia Coppola = Phoenix.
Sort of uninspired considering they're scoring her next film, but they work perfect for each other.
― kelpolaris, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)
Yep, Sofia Coppola is totally fucking Phoenix.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)
Oh wait.
Sonic Youth is the new Jefferson Airplane
― Snop Snitchin, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
David Lynch = The Raveonettes?
(Actually, whoever said Lynch = Scott Walker is probably right.)
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)
Don Siegel - Link WrayClint Eastwood - Eric ClaptonNicolas Winding Refn - Trent ReznorRoman Polanski - Betrand Burgalat
― meisenfek, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
* a very dark burgalat *
― meisenfek, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
david lynch - david lynch
― meisenfek, Sunday, 23 May 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
John Milius - Motörhead
― meisenfek, Sunday, 23 May 2010 07:37 (fifteen years ago)
Sam Raimi - Perez Prado
― meisenfek, Sunday, 23 May 2010 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
Joe Dante - The MisfitsDavid Lynch - David LynchGuy Ritchie - Lenny Kravitz
― meisenfek, Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:18 (fifteen years ago)
Claude Lelouch - Jay Kay
― meisenfek, Monday, 6 September 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
Jacques Rivette - Can
Darren Aronofsky - Rollins Band
― Zeno, Monday, 6 September 2010 00:20 (fifteen years ago)
David Lynch = Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works (Vol. 2)
yes, yes, i will sign autographs later.
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)
spike jonze - pavementi get double points b/c he's already directed a music video or two for them. god i'm great.
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)
terrence malick - godspeed you! black emperor
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 00:38 (fifteen years ago)
tony scott - theoretical girlsapichatpong weerasethakul - the united states of americayasujiro ozu - owl city
― no time for the prussian death cult (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 September 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)
Abel Ferrara = SuicideMichael Bay = Black-Eyed Peas
― Chris L, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)
Russ Meyer = Sex Pistols?
― late adopter, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:32 (fifteen years ago)
Frank Capra = The Carpenters
― late adopter, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:33 (fifteen years ago)
Tim Burton = The Cure
― late adopter, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:35 (fifteen years ago)
Shane Meadows = Sham 69
― late adopter, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:37 (fifteen years ago)
Billy Wilder = The Kinks
― late adopter, Monday, 6 September 2010 02:41 (fifteen years ago)
late adopter, you fucking nailed it w/ burotn.
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:46 (fifteen years ago)