TS: Vangelis vs. Keith Jarrett

Jarrett by a million miles, though I'd guess there'll be a fair amount of "the other guy because Jarrett looks like a d-bag" onthread

vangelis, because hes awesomer, d-bagginess lookin has nothing to do w/ it

lessee which one played w/miles? oh yeah KEITH JARRETT

Jarrett by a million miles, though I'd guess there'll be a fair amount of "the other guy because Jarrett looks like is a d-bag" onthread

― J0hn D., Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:43 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

omg this one played with famous jazz musician miles davis let me clean up my jizz

more importantly only one of these dudes ever wrote the soundtrack to blade runner

you have to be kidding

"one is capable of atmospherics, one's actually good"

"famous jazz musician Miles Davis" - yes, he's a "famous jazz musician"

I like Jarrett better too but didn't he more or less hating playing with Davis because he hated electric piano?

yeah Miles made him play the Rhodes. but what does Miles know about music, he's just a famous jazz musician, not a legend like the guy who wrote the soundtrack to a Harrison Ford movie

plus that completely awesome chariots of fire riff we all love so much

hey there nerds, dont be too rough on keith jarretts dick or we might lose precious sperm that would give us the spawn of a musician who played with well-known trumpeter miles davis

btw i would rather watch chariots of fire any day of the week than listen to the tedious horn noises of noted jazzist miles davis

well there we have it - perhaps if miles was good enough to get some soundtracks he'd've rated, but I can see how it's hard to deal with a guy w/o any soundtrack chops

agreed

ok first of all

btw max just from what I know of your actual taste I think you would totally love the Sun Bear Concerts just fyi

max i am fucking apoplectic over here with this shit

big HOOS the seizuredriver

first of all

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blade runner sndtrk

max just likes to get a rise outta me hoos, I don't guess he's actually hating on miles as he is trying to get a graf-long gasket-blow out of me to c/p into a chat somewhere for lulz

ill listen to any bear concerts provided a) actual bears are playing the piano and b) acclaimed jazz arranger miles davis is nowhere near it

secondly jarrett has the better hair

but hoos on the real, we're talking about BLADE RUNNER here.

max the sun bear concerts are jarrett solo long after miles. were you born in like '98 or something?

ne m'accusez pas

if you play atmospheric sci-fi shit fuck you is basically how i break it down to an extent give me that atmospheric beach type of shit

oh homies i was just joking we can all have a laugh, i love vangelis and jarrett and miles davis, the prominent brass musician

Miles did a soundtrack. And it destroys Chariots of Fire:

http://www.amazon.com/Tribute-Jack-Johnson-Miles-Davis/dp/B00074CBFG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1230138470&sr=8-1

I vote Jarrett

unless you are tangerine dream's album green desert in which case respect

I don't hate on Vangelis but there is no universe in which his best work is even near Jarrett's worst.

max are you in fact tangerine dream's noted album green desert

Jack Johnson movie isn't about serious shit like Harrison Ford and some new wave hottie = advantage Vangelis

btw my real choice here is jan hammer

CHOOdoo doo doo dookadooka

Plus Jarett's all over the Complete JJ sessions.

I love Hammer: Cobham, Mahavishnu, Jeff Beck. The guy's great.

So pleased this could start a throwdown.

On Xmas Eve, no less...

I don't hate on Vangelis but there is no universe in which his best work is even near Jarrett's worst.

Come now--this is just outrageous hyperbole. Parts of Aphrodite Child's 666 and Vangelis' Beaubourg and Hypothesis are sublime and surely better than Jarrett's worst. Still, I'd probably have to side with Jarrett.

inhibitionist theres no hyperbole on this thread at all

One of these men wrote the a rock opera based on the Book of Revelations. The other one didn't. For that, alone, Vangelis would PWN.

vangelis is sweet, but damn, keith jarrett is incredible. also of note: jarrett was featured in david foster wallace short story, girl with curious hair.

inhibitionist theres no hyperbole on this thread at all

Aphrodite's Child's "All the Seats Were Occupied" = the greatest song ever. Now there is.

Voted Vangelis because I am sure everyone else goes for Jarrett. :)

I'm not very familiar with Jarrett, but I doubt he has ever done anything as great as this:

Also, the Chariots of Fire theme tune. End of story.

One of the best ever moments of electronic music:

Awesome!

Is that the theme from COSMOS? God, I've not heard that in years.

I WANT THAT PLAYED AT MY FUNERAL.

That actually made me do a little cry.

"Also, the Chariots of Fire theme tune. End of story."

Yeah, exactly. Thus, the vote for Jarrett.

The Cosmos titles looked like this:

was going to maybe vote for Vangelis but the troika of fail now riding his dick has changed my mind.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

max are you in fact tangerine dream's noted album green desert

― omg grapeHOOS superman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:10 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ???s need answering

Jarrett by a million miles, though I'd guess there'll be a fair amount of "the other guy because Jarrett looks like a d-bag" onthread

― J0hn D., Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:43 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha j0hn will be mad at me forever for calling jarrett a d-bag!

jarrett played on some awesome records

voted jarrett but j0hn if you don't realize his douchiness your douchedar is beyond busted homie

haha, this thread. i'm going for jarrett even though he seems like a dick (big surprise i'm sure). i've been meaning to check out his 70s records w/dewey redman, charlie haden, and paul motian for a long time now, i think i will make a point to do so this year.

Restoration Ruin is a funny album

is that his folk album? i've heard stories.

no I'm sure he's a total douche I just don't really reckon that in a taking sides M@tt - I mean, a fantastic musician who's also a douchebag? no shit, really? alert the authorities!

haha yeah i know what yr saying i was just goofing....

there really no excuse for the sweaters though

not that mr v should be discounted

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Can anyone name any other Jarrett record like 'Hymns / Spheres'?

It's the only one that I really love. Microtonal church organ improvisations, very dark and alien and infernal.

Vangelis you have to step carefully & you could easily hear five horrible albums before hearing one good one, and the albums in widest distribution are my least favorite, but for '666', 'Earth', 'Heaven and Hell', 'Beauborg', 'See You Later' and 'Blade Runner' I'm in, and side 2 of 'L'apocalypse du animaux' predates Eno's press releases so if you wanted to weigh pioneering electronic orchestrations of his best albums over chops, you'd have to vote Vangelis

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/NewMusic/Vangelis.jpg

jarrett may be a better musician but i'd still rather listen to a good vangelis album than ANY keith jarrett album

'Hymns / Spheres' is probably the gateway Jarrett record for Vangelis fans: http://www.subcin.com/sorcerer.html - he chose that mp3 because it was used in the soundtrack, but it's not even the craziest track

the CD version only has four of the mellower movements, but the original vinyl is one of my favorite 70's synth records that isn't a synth record. closer to the soundscape & tone color solos he'd take on ringmod rhodes when he played with Miles than his other solo piano records that I've heard (köln & bits of sun bear)

i just picked this up yesterday for a buck, milton, what do you think of it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo_0.39

^ good album. annoys the wife. always a pluss

that's one of the first ones I heard, and the jazzy solos threw me, I remember hating it. it's still far from my favorite, but I love the last track.

(for me this was high school in the mid 80's, for me good electronic music = Kraftwerk / Neu / Faust / Cluster and I hadn't developed a taste for cheese & pomp yet)

OK, is it just me or does "The Koln Concert" sound like the background music from Sesame Street?
Vangelis walks this one anyway.

http://runningdownhill.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/vangelis_nemo-sm.jpg

if nothing else this thread has taught me that there are actually people who will voluntarily listen to Vangelis when there are actually Klaus Schulze records in the world

actually

JOhn have you heard "Beauborg"?

or Earth?

fast forward to 2.55

actually loved the soundtrack-to-the-exorcist stuff from the first half

the bit at from 2:55 out is kinda exactly what I mean - like, nice, fine, in the way that toast is nice, fine. kind of a proto Miguel Migs. I like Miguel Migs! but I don't exactly wax all mmmmmm, yeeeeah about him

the fact that the first track came as a surprise to you is the chink in your argument, and that track was written years before 'the exorcist'

comparing him to schulze is just a matter of taste, schulze basically did one thing, Vangelis is a bit of a lunatic who can't be pinned down as easily

my argument pretty much rests on jarrett's musicianship being great and Vangelis being the sort of composer to whom the "Chariots of Fire" riff seems excellent

but it is excellent!

potato, potahto - to me it's just dreadful schmaltz

my argument rests on Vangelis being an amazing orchestrator / arranger and pioneer of spacey ambient settings of strange world music, which ended up growing out in a substantial genre, as opposed to a hotshot late period virtuoso in a dying one

sorta kidding, I do like Jarrett (as opposed to you hating Vangelis), but making fun of him for "Chariots" is being willfully deaf, but sure take a stand, I'd agree that song is pretty silly

i'd rather listen to average keith jarrett than bad vangelis. i like blade runner too, but i was ruined by a high school english teacher who used to play this one terrible vangelis album while we took exams.

there was another equally terrible vangelis album that got play at the bookstore where i worked (there was also a terrible pat metheny album that i know by heart, i would put it on because it was at least better than the other smoozak we had).

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oh man if it was Pat Metheny vs. Jarrett I would be conflicted, Metheny at his best scratches the itch for me that I think is scratched by Vangelis for some of you

i really like metheny, but this is not exactly his most adventurous record:

http://i32.tinypic.com/35hl5bm.jpg

i love wichita falls but my understanding is that most metheny does not sound like that--is this true? where else should i look?

Honestly, the biggest reason I'm voting Vangelis on this one is that he's the only one of the two who realizes that playing the piano (or electric keyboard) is a two step process:

Step 1: Place your hands on the keyboard.
Step 2: Shut your fucking mouth.
Step 3: Play the keyboard.

Jarrett skips Step 2, so Vangelis wins.

New Chatauqua is great, so's American Garage - Wichita Falls is the "out" one, right? I like Metheny in dreamy drifting mode.

phil are you also one of those guys who hates on guitarists makin "guitar face"

wichita falls is pretty dreamy/drifting

xpost. Jarrett's noises are pretty distracting, he sounds like a mental patient.

i haven't heard too much of the synthy-Americana Lyle Mays stuff actually. i like Bright Size Life, and heard some recent Metheny Group stuff that's interesting. also he's in straight jazz mode on Gary Burton's "Like Minds", a favorite of mine. also his trio with Larry Grenadier and Bill Stewart was pretty sick.

http://www.downbeat.com/photos/IM55716.jpg
Jarrett wins! Totally. Come on, dudes. Look at his face.

LOOK AT HIS FACE.

Vangelis, if only because of the barbarian occult Emmanuelle dream I had recently, which had a dude with whips for arms, and this music was sorta wafting in and out of the background
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gjUxOf0K8MM/R83CFcbl3FI/AAAAAAAADcs/sB9xteOHXLc/s320/Vangelis+-+The+dragon.jpg

wow @ cthulu dragon!

phil are you also one of those guys who hates on guitarists makin "guitar face"

No, because "guitar face" doesn't drown out the guitar.

i just picked this up yesterday for a buck, milton, what do you think of it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo_0.39

Albedo is a great album! My wife loves it, unlike jaxxon's wife

oh i just remembered that the vangelis album that scarred me was one of the ones with jon anderson

TS: Shakey Mo Collier's wife vs. jaxxon's wife

other favs of the wife: Tomita, AC/DC, Kool Keith

She likes Tomita? I must meet this woman.

Vangelis, if only because of the barbarian occult Emmanuelle dream I had recently, which had a dude with whips for arms, and this music was sorta wafting in and out of the background

can't lie, this argument is v. persuasive to me

u_u

^^ meant as closed eyes + nodding, rather than cry face

to pass the next half hour

Heaven and Hell Part IV - Intestinal Bat
Heaven and Hell Part V - Needles and Bones

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Awesome

yesss! that was a close one though

let's enjoy his masterpiece and his totally non-embarrassing piano manner in celebration

wichita falls is pretty dreamy/drifting

― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, January 23, 2009 3:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yah u also want Watercolors and Still Life (Talking)

You really won't let this Chariots of Fire thing go, will you, John?

my chariots of fire video link was better, but i formatted it wrong.

i just discovered the thread. the result is a joke. that last video is straigt out of kitsch hell. i guess a majority of you people have a very weird conception of heaven. i will be very bad from now on, not to have to go to that place.

sorry i love vangelis but it's keith fucking jarrett for me. maybe i'm getting old.

oh ha the poll is over fuck all of you then

i don't know vangelis a lot but thanks to this thread i like a lot more than i thought i would.

still keith jarrett, even and especially alone, and in spite of all sweaters and retarded voices, was a beautiful player in ways that 'chops' reduction can't even begin to account for until reduction equals infinite expansion.

can somebody gif and loop jarret popping a boner at 2:36 in the first video above?

enya is also better than keith jarrett, if we're comparing piano players.

Isn't TS'ing Vangelis and Jarrett completely weird? Why not Jarrett vs. Cecil Taylor or Vangelis vs. Jarre? Dudes have so little in common wth each other besides the piano. Apples and oranges. Besides, Jarrett is trained (Berklee) while Vangelis is completely self taught - can't read or write a note. Umm...so...

But, to answer the poll's question: Vangelis does the best heaven scraping, IMHO.

I picked up Opera Sauvage used last week & it's nice and all but it's suuuuuuper corny - these melodies are up on some And So Ends This Chapter Of Final Fantasy stuff

not that there's anything wrong with that except y'know it sucks compared to Keith Jarrett

yeah I can't really listen to that one either, 'cept maybe for 'L'Enfant'

my fanaticism requires narrow blinders, to be sure

have to say I support any/all aesthetic fanaticism that requires narrow blinders, it's the kind of stance that made being a teenage demigoth so much fun

I don't know how KJ lost this poll.

not much of a jazz contingent on this board

he didn't lose it by much

66% of V's discography I can't really enjoy, and there are many which only have sections. but I just learned to take the silly with the sublime until I kind of had a taste for the former as well

Vangelis you have to step carefully & you could easily hear five horrible albums before hearing one good one, and the albums in widest distribution are my least favorite, but for '666', 'Earth', 'Heaven and Hell', 'Beauborg', 'See You Later' and 'Blade Runner' I'm in, and side 2 of 'L'apocalypse du animaux

& by 'Blade Runner' I mean the Espers bootleg, not the sax-tastic official CD

Insanity. Another post-poll vote for Jarrett from me.

poll is a crime

1) suck it haters 2) vangelis rules 3) opera sauvage is pretty corny duh 4) earth and heaven & hell are where its at 5) espers is pretty sax-tastic too and is all the better for it imo

^^ that

max now is the time to fess up to all the socks you had voting on this poll because everybody knows keith jarrett is better, you aint gotta carry all that weight max, unburden yrself

funny thread, poll a travesty - wld rather listen to a whole cd of jarrett gurgling than etc (hyperbole)