Indie-Friendly Electrodribble S/D

On Max Tundra

i wanted to edit it to "indie-friendly electrodribble" or somesuch, but figured i'd done enough damage already.

― get drunk and do legos (contenderizer),

What else could be described as Indie-Friendly Electrodribble?

1)The Avalanches

2) Max Tundra obviously

hot chip
crystal castles
junior senior
el guincho

le tigre

:-/ I like at least that one Junior Senior song.

beta band

xp:

i like lots of these. (NOT max tundra...)

Postal Service

that one bright eyes album

Everything on Morr Music post 2004

the knife?

esp. Electric President

everything ever called electroclash

See Pazz & Jop thread; I think we figured out that at least eight indie-friendly electrodribble albums finished in the Top 40 this year (Portishead, Santogold, Girl Talk, MGMT, Hercules and Love Affair, Cut Copy, M83, Hot Chip.) Though obviously some of those are more dribbly than others.

Actually possibly invented by the Replacements on Hootenany and Urge Overkill on Saturation -- one song on each, though I don't have the energy to look up their titles right now. Then who? Magnetic Fields, White Town, and all of electroclash?

The Books

I think the aesthetic pinnacle of this was New Buffalo's "About Last Night" EP - Avalanches production placed in service of depressive indie songs sung in purposefully blank/unpolished female vocals.

High Places are the current big example of this for me though - the vocals are even more extremely blank/unpolished.

all things dfa

all things blechdom

all things kid 606

LCD Soundsystem how did I forget that

Stockholm Monsters

*waits for bimble with a sponge and a rusty spanner*

replacements song is "within your reach." which, maybe. is a drum machine all you need to be electrodribble?

i guess all the alec empire stuff is too noisy to count.

all things tigerbeat6

is this the new ELECTROSOUL thread??

is a drum machine all you need to be electrodribble?

Maybe, but lacking a sense of rhythm really helps.

lol i think it's the new indie-electro thread

I think people are expanding this too much. "Indie-Friendly Electrodribble" seems to imply an element of tweeness and softness.

Postal Service and Max Tundra and The Avalanches yes, Blechdom no.

(Yes I can see how Blechdom/Tigerbeat 6 are arguably twee but it's of a different stripe I think)

the blow/yacht
mpp
dan deacon

From the thread the reference came from
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ib24jp.jpg

a different tiger stripe, you could say (xxp)

Like, Peaches are the paradigmatic example for me of the electronic act people who feel uncomfortable with actual dance music still check for all the time (i hang out with too many gays/lesbians though, maybe this is why) - but I wouldn't describe her as "electrodribble".

um jr boys much

Maybe, but lacking a sense of rhythm really helps.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:31 PM Bookmark

Right. I don't think anything that qualifies as REAL DAHNCE MUSIC FOR DAHNCING should be in this thread.

beta band

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

*glowers*

i wanna say bis even though they weren't actually electro.

i think the adjective which springs most to mind is "awkward", deliberately so, hence xhuxk otm wrt "lacking a sense of rhythm"

i don't think peaches quite fits, too shouty and in-your-face

omar s
theo parrish
patrice scott

stockhausen

Peaches is more like electrospittle.

phlegmlectro

i still have never heard max tundra. i like max cloud though.

the go! team

electrodribble hall of fame nominee: the avalanches' belle & sebastian remix.

Scott

Its AWFUL

biggest electrodribble tends to be like dj duos for me, the kind that are only big in their particular big city...london, nyc, berlin, paris, melbourne, wherever has these useless fuckers

my god will people stop posting max tundra videos?

the new rickroll.

id rather listen to rick

cornershop belongs in here somewhere.

Urge Overkill proto-dribble track was "Dropout" btw.

Where would Chromeo fit in all of this?

Chromeo are the missing link between Zapp and T-Pain

hahahahahaha ok thats awesome

I can tolerate Chromeo, T-Pain just gives me a migraine.

That being said the Gigamesh track Estate uses Autotune pretty well.

dfa/morr otm, not so sure about the rest

chromeo fit in, for sure. their remix of vampire weekend is another contender for electrodribble hall of fame

also any feist remix ever conceived

I love that UO album

Oops, make that the Gigmesh remix of the Estate song Write To Make.

Reminds me of Chromeo really strongly.

When did this term originate? I thought it was the post I quoted from but chucks post suggests it was made on the P&J thread?

more protodribble? or does this have too much of a groove to qualify?

Yeah, Vega too funky probably.

And I was sort of lying about the P&J thread, Herman. (Not about the concept, just the word.)

Chairlift are another big one now, I think. (Or small one, or something.)

a sister thread to Dance/Electronica Music Equivalents Of M.O.R.?

the blow was mentioned above, but i'm posting this because the video is so dribbly (it includes a gnome)

does it blow?

gr8 thread

caribou

boolack moth super rainbow

fenneszs

four tet
pizzicato five
sukpatch
cornelius
flying lotus
"friends of p"
prefuse 73
mouse on mars
boards of canadia

Getting crossover with Dance/Electronica Music Equivalents Of M.O.R.? now

i think that's unavoidable

i thought the UO song was Nite & Day...with its neato Mary Tyler Moore outro...I once pointed at my aunt's cat and said "You got it" and it just started purring...I felt like a pet psychic!

Nite and Day = Nite and Grey...duh...

i'm thinking Peter, Bjorn & John would fit.

yeah, but is they troo electrodribble, or just ordinary dribble with maybe some electro on the side?

peter bjorn and john is electro?

why the hell am i reading this thread anyway

sub-http://odp.uoregon.edu/projects/03-04/everypicture/producers/tynan_delong_small.jpg

is this really an 'indie-friendly electrodribble' thread or is it more a 'crossover dance albums of the last year or so' thread

were just a few posts away from justice being mentioned

pb&j is not electro un the least. nor is meme guy. why the hell are you reading this thread, jordan?

justice is totally not dribble, though very indie-friendly electro

plus, yes, a good 50% of i friendly e dribble = crossover dance music, especially that of the sort that no one actually dances to

four tet
pizzicato five
sukpatch
cornelius
flying lotus
"friends of p"
prefuse 73
mouse on mars
boards of canadia

i'm not sure much of this fits. the idm stuff is its own thing. seems to me what was originally being talked about was self-consciously poppier, and rockier.

Plone

Can't believe no one has mentioned Simian Mobile Disco yet.

The name alone makes me want to kill...

i'm not sure much of this fits.

isn't the point that this is one of those "let's lump everything we don't like into a made-up genre" threads and thus is fairly useless?

this is the most pointless thread ive ever opened

isn't the point that this is one of those "let's lump everything we don't like into a made-up genre" threads and thus is fairly useless?

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― resident advice whore (haitch), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:00 PM Bookmark

Yeah, when Contenderizer first used the phrase in the other thread, I had a very specific image of what he meant, but this thread quickly devolved into ^^^

That's not what I intended. I had hoped to find out more of what bands were meant by the term rather than derailing the poll thread.

isn't the point that this is one of those "let's lump everything we don't like into a made-up genre" threads and thus is fairly useless?

― haitch

fuck no! though the nominal phrase is snide, i've nommed nothing i don't like. (or, well, nothing i didn't at one time imagine i might like. but mostly stuff i like.) i pushed out the definition in the list tipsy posted 'cuz it's more like what i was thinking of in the first place. yeah, truly indie stuff like hot chip, but also gauzy design mag electronic music that might show up on the same ipod: fennesz, flying lotus, etc. and near-ambient "hip hop" soundtracking, a la prefuse guy.

if ya'll can't accept my big-tent dribblevision, then stick with the shit that seems right to you.

This thread is basically "current bands that use synthesizers."

but, yah, i understand that just about anything "might show up on the same ipod", and that lumping the above together is more a projection about some imaginary listener demographic than a description of anything that actually exists. thus perhaps annoying to those who don't share the projection.

x-post: nah, because you can use synthesizers in a way that is neither indie-friendly nor dribbly.

i just mean that idm is a pretty well-defined and exhaustively cataloged genre, whereas a lot of what seems to be falling under this thread's umbrella is stuff that hasn't exactly had an obvious tag but does have some shared characteristics or aesthetics or whatever. a sort of unbearable day-glo hipster vibe that you may or may not forgive depending on how much you dig some particular act. people like fennesz, four tet, mouse on mars, all take themselves way more seriously, and make more "serious" music, than this more pop-oriented, celebrity-dj-set, speaker-crackling sort of thing.

(and i like fennesz, four tet and mouse on mars, they just seem like a whole different branch to me.)

I don't think what "electrodribble" was intended to describe is a "pop-oriented, celebrity-dj-set, speaker-crackling sort of thing" at all. We started out with El Guincho and Max Tundra.

el guincho seems very celebrity-dj-set to me. but i'm not a celebrity dj so i don't know.

(can't really imagine anyone playing max tundra, but i guess it could happen.)

but in any case, i just think idm is something kinda different.

"Electrodribble" instantly think of twee/pop bands who use electronics.

ie Postal Service/the last Notwist album/some of His name is alive/Barbara Morgenstern/Junior Boys

and NOT dance crossover (Justice/SMD) or IDM/Noise which is indie friendly (Fennesz/Mouse on Mars).

xpost: jordans otm

the teenagers?

anyone who does a live set consisting of ipod/guitar/yelping

once more the great UK/US indie divide confuses all

kraftwerk

the beatles

nate dogg

the tornados

Why are you guys always so mean and sneery?

What's wrong with a little dance music for people who don't like dance music? Like over half the people on this thread aren't corny indie fucks themselves.

I think the rule of thumb for this should be 'sensitive indie kids without enough friends to form an actual band'. I saw a guy called James Yuill the other month who seemed to be the epitomy of this, attempting to do the one man band thing with electronics + drum machine + guitar hanging limply round neck while still managing to look a bit like Gareth Keenan.

none of these fuckers know what a good drum sample is

"Mr. PRESIDENT - we MUST NOT ALLOW an Indie-Friendly Electrodribble GAP!"

shit thread

Solange. Kelis. Aaliyah.

i think it's a great thread which has struck a nerve

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/25/justice_5.jpg

There. Are we done now?

i think it's a great thread which has struck a nerve

― lex pretend, Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:05 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

what nerve is that?

http://glennhager.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/straw-man.jpg

struck a match maybe?

if only

heh...i don't see what the big deal is; thread is funny!

Just the typical ILX ethos of hating most in other people what they fear most in themselves.

where can i hear more 'electro' like the avalanches?

Beats International.

xps

who's hating? i genuinely like a lot of this shit.

beats international -- another fine electro band, oh fucking yes.

hey, why not?

I think the issue is that at some point since 2002 the word 'electro' has expanded to the point at which it's used to described virtually everything that isn't Oasis. "Is this music a bit like what you already like but a bit bleepier? Put the word electro before it for instant eclecticism".

I like about a third of what's listed on this list but really whoever said the Beatles and Stockhausen OTM.

Is there an indie Blackout Crew?

Beats International was a British electronic music band, formed in the late 1980s by Norman Cook (better known as Fatboy Slim), after his departure from The Housemartins.

Maybe hating on is a bit harsh - like I said, it's the sneeriness that bothers me. But maybe I'm turning into Tuomas in my old age, projecting that kind of "let's hate on other people's fun" onto these kinds of threads. Because lots of ILX really loves this kind of stuff, so maybe it's a self mocking tone, I don't know.

I'm going to cut and paste from one of the teeangers' livejournals because it's just like...

Interests (133):
2manydjs, 808 state, air (french band), alan braxe, ambiguity, animated gifs, animated kissing gifs, basement jaxx, beth ditto, beyond the wizard's sleeve, bisexulolz, björk, bob moog, bobmo, boys noize, bronski beat, bumming, busy p as pimp, cassius, crack, crystal castles, css, daft punk, damon albarn, dance duos, dance music, danger, darlin', dead or alive, deee-lite, depeche mode, digitalism, donna summer, ed banger, electronic music, eno, erasure, erol alkan, fanfiction, fischerspooner, french arse, french house, gary numan, gaspard augé, genesis p-orridge, germans like big sausages, girl talk, goose, grace jones, gravy train!!!!, guy-manuel de homem-christo, happy mondays, homoeroticism, hot chip, house music, iamx, institubes, japan, junior senior, justice, keytars, kissing crosses, klaus nomi, kraftwerk, late of the pier, leon theremin, lgbtq, lolz, m83, marc almond, martina topley-bird, massive attack, matmos, microloisir, missy elliott, modeselektor, mouse on mars, mr. oizo, mstrkrft, outright gayness, patrick wolf, peaches, pedro winter, pete shelley, photomanips, photoshopped bumming, portishead, queercore, radiohead, robert del naja, rory phillips, röyksopp, sam sparro, samwell, scissor sisters, sebastian, sebastian akchoté, sebastien tellier, sia, simian mobile disco, slash, soulwax, sparks, stardust, stereolab, sure you will, surkin, sylvia, synthpop, terre thaemlitz, the pet shop boys, the presets, thomas bangalter, tiga, trash, tricky, trip-hop, ttc, u-look-like-a-gay, uffie, underworld, unf, vitalic, waxed xavier, wendy carlos, white town, xavier de rosnay, xavier in a dress, xiu xiu, yelle, ymo, yo majesty, zero 7

Is that what you're talking about?

U-Look-Like-A-Gay are a bit too minimal to qualify I think.

I dunno, though, the new Photoshopped Bumming 12" is bangin', though!

Ha-hem.

It just seems to be yet another excuse for ILM to play "let's sneer at what the kids like" - when it's so utterly hypocritical.

"let's sneer at what the kids like" surely?

honestly, i don't see who's sneering here? i mean, the friggin' thread was started by P-funkboy, fer chrisake! he's like the most genuine, anti-sneering, enthusiastic ilxxor there is. maybe the real problem is that some of you britishes seem to have a rather overly-rigid pigeonholes where you like to place everything (what's yer dance genre of the week called then)? you know, keepin' it all ship-shape and all; everything in its place, laddie. christ.

It's not Kerr I have the problem with - I'm quite used to his joke-sneering at whatever it is I like this week, because I know that the teasing all in good fun, and I'll get a texted apology if he ever thinks he stepped over the line.

FFS, what I know about dance music and its myriad genres could be written on the back of a postage stamp!

Oh, never mind... whenever I step onto ILM it's always like this, so I'll shut up and keep my opinions to myself in the future. Even about stuff I like.

maybe the real problem is that some of you britishes seem to have a rather overly-rigid pigeonholes where you like to place everything (what's yer dance genre of the week called then)? you know, keepin' it all ship-shape and all; everything in its place, laddie. christ.

― pender tervert (Ioannis), Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:03 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what is the point of a list thread like this if you aren't going to even be specific about what you're listing? it's fucking retarded.

if you're not 'placing' stuff by listing it as an example of a genre, what are you doing?

what indeed? 'tis a mystery.

great thread

A texted apology!

I know, its better than I ever imagined a stupid thread started as the result of a sneery one-liner about a non-existent genre ever could be. (xpost)

what i don't get (and probably never will), is why y'all give a shit about a thread(s) that you declaim as dumb/retarded/pointless/whatever? who exactly is forcing you to click on it again?

Just keepin' tabs. Making notes.

who exactly is forcing you to click on it again?

Ivan Petrovich Pavlov

ah yes, very important work that - keepin' tabs on what a bunch of music geeks are saying on a message board. how could i possibly forget?

Ioannis to be honest if it keeps the unproductive sneering off the good threads that are about things that actually exist then I'm all for it. Think of it as a lightning conductor.

maybe the real problem is that some of you britishes seem to have a rather overly-rigid pigeonholes where you like to place everything

yeah I think the people hating on this thread are probably aspies

Because I *LIKE* a lot of this music, and I don't like being sneered at for doing so.

I wanted to get on this thread and be all "Yay! Indie-friendly electrowibble! Midnight Juggernauts! Cut Copy! Where can I find me more dance music of dirty dronerock girls, hurrah?"

this thread is a credit to the brave men and women who have contributed to it. with all of your work we can really achieve something here. I urge all of you to ignore the hatred and boldly stride onward.

x-post the peaches geldof dollar is big kate, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Where are you Burt_Stanton? Your public needs you now!

See, WTF is the point of posts like this ^^^^^ Ronan, except to be a sneering cunt. I rest my fucking case. Not everyone wants to be a fucking obscurantist, some people just like what they like, regardless of who else listens to it.

*NOT* liking music because "ooh, it's for Geldorf girls" is as FUCKING STUPID AND NARROWMINDED as liking something just because it's going to look cool to your microblogging mates.

God, I should not rise to the bait, but I'm bored and am going to find something else to do.

http://system.barflyclub.com/include/image/artists/20876_32a39ad9-2e01-4d56-b1f5-b9820ea9e94c.jpeg

fyi as much shit i got for being a rap purist or the ringtone click hating on new-jacks we would never start a 200 post thread just to list rap that crossed over to rock nerds

i don't see why you can't, Kate. no one here said anything like 'it's all crap and worthy of nothing but derision'.

xps

beastie boys.... kool keith.... spank rock... this is a lol for sure!!!

vampire weekend

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/583722_smashmouth2_200x200.jpg

is that what is? consider me schooled, ethan.

lily allen

http://wppd-images.web.aol.com/music_gallery/i/s/soulja_boy/05-soulja-boy-130807.jpg

I think people would be a lot less dismissive if we didn't have a variation on this exact conversation on a nigh-on weekly basis.

does bon iver count as electro?

"swagger like us"

stockhausen

That's fightin' talk, pardner

Kate seriously people are just winding you up here because they find it v easy to do so.

As for the thread, matt otm, we've had this discussion a billion times. we, every one of us on ILM, came to the conclusion that people hate indie electro cos absolutely everyone who likes it is worse than a violent nazi or a perma tanned paedophile priest.

speak for yourself, ferdinand.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1875000/images/_1879407_fortune150.jpg

First Sinead O'Connor, now Elton John, can anyone become a priest these days?

yeah, it's kinda like ilx nowadays, innit?

katy perry

the mountain goats

momus

kate winslet in the reader

matt dc

chris brown

m night shalamaladingdong

the netherlands

your mum

(not yours, max)

Abu Hamza.

my mom is indie-friendly but not very electro

I thought we were talking about priests?

ah priests, many too weird for this unholy world to ever understand.

if you're having a drink tonight...or at the weekend, perhaps take a moment and pour a small drop out for those priests who are no longer with us.

... and who are now in the nonce's wing in prison

I laughed. But it's no laughing matter.

I'm delighted with how this thread has panned out.

Hey! My mum is a priest. Don't dis priests. Or La Priest. Which is as indie-friendly ElectroWibble as you can get.

ronan = non-indie-friendly electrodribble

non indie or non friendly?

A typical indie kid vicar? Find me some fucking typical indie kids who like alternative country and I'll make you very rich. It said Ryan Adams not Bryan Adams, theres a difference. I see you live in Ireland too, have you any idea how fucking difficult it is to even buy a Whiskeytown cd here? I had to spend 30 quid on one fucking Will Oldham CD, and I've paid that for Spacemen 3 stuff aswell, its certainly worth it but christ if thats what everyone else is doing then I must be living under a rock or something, I don't care about liking weird stuff for the sake of it being weird, I just want to find some people who like the same stuff that I get on with, given the points I made about the bands above its pretty unlikely without the internet.

― Ronan Fitzgerald, Monday, August 20, 2001 8:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's your favourite post again!

http://soapboxrants.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/father-ted-careful-now.jpg

so what do you plan to do with this random list of bands now Herman?

I'm still trying to figure out a way to photoshop Ronan's head into this...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3261291408_6c16fbc806_o.jpg

somehow, the people posting on this thread "overnight" came in and trashed the place. shoo! you wreck my store! anyway, i agree that it was a mistake to try & rope in IDM & indie hip-hop producers, cuz at that point, what doesn't go?

maybe "indie-friendly electrodribble" is best thought of as the circa now version of the dino rockers go nu wave in 81 thred. independent peoples making electronic musics for the new world. useful to start with the UO track xcuxk linked upthread. plus stuff like:

looper
most recent animal collective
the rentals

no intent to hate on any of the above. just to catalog a thing that happens, hopefully for use by folks who are interested in that sort of thing.

Nothing blueski. Are you just mad as everyone listed bands you like?
The thread was just a bit of fun after a jokey throwaway comment by someone that i found funny. It wasnt meant to be a serious thread.

what is the most fun aspect of this thread (out of genuine curosity)?

the half before people woke up this morning?

but specifically?

there's nothing fun about it. all the fun was had in the indie-electro tuomas thread. there is no need for this shit.

yes nothing fun. lock thread

the last few posts are the most fun part IMO

im busy today but can someone put together a poll of all the classic 'indie/electronic music' threads incl. this one, tuomas's indie electro, frankendance, the justice thread, etc?

http://www.kettlesyard.co.uk/exhibitions/archive/rearviewmirror_titc_k.jpg

lock ilx.

somehow, the people posting on this thread "overnight" came in and trashed the place.

leave a thread like this lying around and someone's gonna come pick at the carcass. it's the ecology of ilx.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MPM1ZMGRL._SL500.jpg

also, non-indie leftfield electronic pop, especially of an awkwardly "appropriated" sort, like that bloodhound gang song. different thing, but similar

it does make for a tempting target, admittedly.

xp

fyi as much shit i got for being a rap purist or the ringtone click hating on new-jacks we would never start a 200 post thread just to list rap that crossed over to rock nerds

― and what, Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:38 AM Bookmark

lol chicago's "hipster-hop" scene and backlash

I jsut found this AWESOME cache of slash with this story about MSTRKRFT getting it on with Justice.

Is that, just like ILM's worst nightmare?

Shall I just go ahead nad post the whole thign here?

kate i recommend you start a thread on i love cricket to post it--we are big fanfic fans no pun intended over there

lol chicago's "hipster-hop" scene and backlash

― The Reverend (rev), Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a thread started by n/a that i didnt even post on

It's kinda confusing for me to think of some of this stuff as being electro-related stuff that's somehow "indie-friendly" -- I mean, the whole field we consider "indie" has always taken plenty from new wave and synthpop, so the idea of, say, MGMT as anything but more of that sort of thing is a bit baffling to me.

^^ bonkers a nabisco candy on point here - what about like magnetic fields or some shit??

Stuff like old Mag Fields, sure, but also ... I mean, the whole period of gothy drama-club teenagers listening to 1980s synthpop and Depeche Mode and John Hughesy favorites in between Morrissey records, not to even mention New Order -- this seems to me to be a pretty big part of what's fed into the current idea of what an "indie" audience is, right along the scrappier and punker stuff! It's not exactly like old episodes of 120 Minutes were free of dance music and synthesizers. So some of these make sense to me, but a lot of them just read to me as more of the kind of new-wave that's always been "indie."

Seriouly, none of this stuff is that much differnt from Ministry or Skinny Puppy or whatever.

this thread is a holocaust, but i don't agree with "the whole field we consider 'indie' has always taken plenty from new wave and synthpop". american indie in the mid 80s-early-90s was often very rockist. early mag fields, seem more like an outlier/precursor than a representative of something that was common at the time. beck in '94 helped open indie rock up to electronic/hip-hop sounds, and also to mainstream indie aesthetics. a few american bands were starting to go this way in the early 90s, before beck - unrest, for example - but i think mudhoney's "fuck you techno" bits on piece of cake better represent the dominant early 90s indie view of electronic music.

i mean, ministry and skinny puppy are/were worlds away from what was then considered "indie rock". the fact that they were so heavily electronic was a big part of what distinguished them from the likes of sonic youth, the replacements, husker du, dinosaur jr, sebadoh, k recs, jangly c-86, etc.

"American indie in the mid 80s-early-90s" is not nearly the same thing as "the whole field we consider 'indie'" today. Beyond which the rock side of the underground sat very comfortably right along side the more foppish / British / synthy side. American punk bands could hate on synthesizers all they wanted, but they were still getting played on the same college stations that played "college rock" and synthpop, you know?

But maybe a better way of coming at it would be this: if you don't consider the stuff that got played on 120 Minutes to be part of the lineage of what we now call "indie," what do you consider it a part of? I mean, I'd be curious to see a reframing of things that somehow makes that stuff not a part of the indie audience, if only because then I could go around saying that I haven't mostly liked indie for much of my life.

^^^ yeah i was gonna say pavement is the quintessential lol indie band and where is the electro

^^^ was to contenderizer xpost

The scene I was in didn't discriminate that way! I mean - maybe that was coz I went to college in such a small town that we weren't really able to segregate indie music - yr Sonic Youth heads had to hang out with yr Ministry goths becuase there only was one indie nightclub in town.

But no, it was the same in NYC, IIRC. But maybe that was because I mainly hung out with the goth end of indie.

If anything, it was the whole Mudhoney/grunge/metaller thing that was the outlier, to seal themselves off and go listen to heavy metal - which was waaayyy more uncool than electrro or hip hop.

i think keyboards were pretty much shunned in indie music during the 90s

Haha a little googling indicates that the MTV premier of Pavement's "Cut Your Hair" was on March 6, 1994, on 120 Minutes. The episode also featured Peter Murphy's "Cuts You Up," the Cranberries and Cocteau Twins, Sarah McLachlan, and George Clinton playing with Primal Scream.

The point I'm trying to make there is one I've tried to make before, which is basically that the old alternative/indie audience encompassed both underground rock AND poppier oddballs without too much of a problem, and that all those elements of it feed into the audience we tend to be talking about these days when we talk about "indie."

It would be perfectly fine, if a little weird, if you wanted to define "indie" as somehow only having that punk/hardcore/rock aspect -- but by that logic, none of the acts named on this thread would really be "indie-friendly," and (on the plus side) you'd have to find interesting new ways to think and talk about acts like Ladytron or Magnetic Fields or Russian Futurists or Radio Dept. or CSS or really any new-wave or bedroom synthpop ever.

i think keyboards were pretty much shunned in indie music during the 90s

yeah which is why electroclash was a thing for 30 seconds, because it was all about rediscovering synthesizers. but there's obv. been strains of electronic stuff running alongside the more guitar-band indie/altie/whatever stuff back at least to suicide and devo, and you can take it all the way back to "telstar" if you want. it's not that it's new, and it doesn't particularly have to do w/anything "crossing over" to anything else, it's sort of just its own general place on the spectrum. which is going through another one of its occasional periods of heightened activity, to judge by all these threads. which may or may not be interesting, and you may or may not hate the music, and this thread is mostly an excuse to say electrodribble.

sarah mclachlan?

30 seconds? it had a perfectly reasonable innings of 18 months to 2 years as a trend xp

I think the dates on these things are important, because the definition of what "indie music" was - at least in the States - changed after the Grunge explosion.

Before that, indie, or alternative was much wider than what it is considered now. So people who remember the indie of the late 80s and very early 90s are remembering a very different atmosphere than those whose first memories of indie are mid 90s and on.

nbz is making a good point in this thread - a lot of the idea of what was 90s lol indie was invented after the fact by pfork and other archivists - i wonder if in 2022 theres gonna be this sanitized version of 00s indie that leaves out all the embarrassing blog bmore remixes and shit

keyboards were pretty much shunned in indie music during the 90s

Well I'm glad to know that if you'd looked over my record collection in the 90s and seen records by Stereolab, Air, Pizzicato 5, post-rock bands, Cibo Matto, Momus, etc., you'd have said "wow, this guy doesn't listen to that much indie music."

xpost - the first few Sarah McLachlan singles, before she got big, floated around the "alternative" space -- same with Sheryl Crow, actually

american indie.

honestly i see a divide between 90's ALTERNATIVE and 90's INDIE. you just name dropped ALT-ROCK.

There were certainly indie bands that used keyboards in the '90s, but it was usually in the service of a retro analog vibe (whether that be the cool lounge mode of Stereolab, Cardigans, Air, and Komeda or the distorted organ freakouts from Yo La Tengo and Brainiac) rather than the beat-driven, sparkly-sheened dance-rock stuff that predominates today.

ha, brainiac is a great example of a band that made me think back then, wow they really use a lot of keyboards

oh good this thread has turned into an entirely different and equally tedious kind of 'indie' thread

i'm talking from within the american indie rock scene of 90s. built out of post-hardcore experimentation going in two directions: gnarly am-rep/sub pop/later SST & T&G guitar music on one side; and gentle, lo-fi bedroom pop on the other (K recs, slumberland, teen beat, lotta homestead stuff). plus middle grounders like flaming lips, pixies, etc. the "scene" that supported these bands was certainly open to other musics, but was pretty narrow/rigid/rockist in how it defined itself. often, not always.

second wave american indie bands largely followed in step. here i'm thinking of pavement, modest mouse, built to spill, guided by voices. scrappy, garagey, "authentic", and guitar-based. but the barriers break down over the 90s. indie becomes less a stance re commerce/corporations/popularity and more an attitude & aesthetic, one that can exist in almost any musical context & even in the top 40 (beck). slow process though.

a lot of what we now call indie music would NEVER have been embraced by the audience for indie rock that existed in the late 80s. it would have been seen as "sellout radio pop".

sorry max

apology.... accepted

contenderizer OTM

rockist stance goes back before the mid-80s "birth" of american indie, to bands like mission of burma and pylon and the no wave cru. indie took inspiration from those bands, but excised any trace of dance music. when amerindie started up, it was a ROCK thing, very clearly, and it was very hostile to anything that might smack of commercial concession. it was outsider music, made by and for self-defined outsiders. happy funtime synthmusic was seen as existing on the other side of the divide: a corrupt and meaningless bauble that mammon used to entrance the feeble-minded, uncritical masses. even K bands, when they borrowed from UK pop, played their shit almost exclusively on guitar/bass/drums.

this wall took a long time to break down.

btw max is too young to have remembered any of this

GUYS we are talking about "indie" as an audience, not a type of band, or else this thread wouldn't make any sense -- the electrodribble is not being described as friendly to Mark Arm, it's being described as friendly to an "indie" audience.

a lot of what we now call indie music would NEVER have been embraced by the audience for indie rock that existed in the late 80s. it would have been seen as "sellout radio pop".

Haha contenderizer did I not just say this to you in the service of disputing your claims here?

I mean, look, guys, you can make these audience distinctions between indie/alt and rock/pop if you want -- the tension between those things has always been a huge interesting thing in this audience! -- but if we are sitting here talking about the indie audience that likes The Books or MGMT we are pretty clearly not talking about old post-hardcore people! We're talking about a more general indie audience that has always contained all sides of this stuff, however you want to name it: punk and pop, scratchy rock and synthesizers, etc. etc. etc. College radio contained all of these ends in the 80s. 120 Minutes and AP and Spin and Magnet contained all of these ends in the 90s. Pitchfork contains all of these ends in the 00s. And there's been a loosely coherent listenership containing lots of people whose tastes range across those things. You can say people who spent the 90s listening to American Analog Set and mid-period Mercury Rev and Belle & Sebastian were somehow "alt" and not really "indie," but this hairsplitting doesn't really change the fact that if you'd opened most indie-covering publications, you'd find a spread of stuff covered that went well beyond the sound of the bread-and-butter indie-rock band, and if you looked in people's record collections, you wouldn't exactly be surprised to find Stereolab filed near Superchunk.

But back to my central point here, which is: has there ever been a point where the Cure or New Order haven't been somewhere in the DNA of the music we think of as appealing to an "indie" audience? All I'm saying here is that there are a whole lot of sounds that are somewhere in the bloodstream of the audience we call "indie," and it seems pretty incontrovertible to me that synth-pop and some dance music and a whole lot of British pop/rock bands are a part of this.

xpost -

happy funtime synthmusic was seen as existing on the other side of the divide

Like I said above, the fact that this was a real and important divide among lots of people did not keep fans of both sides of the divide from sharing space as an audience -- the tension between those things has been a major point of creativity and interest for this whole field!

lou barlow in a joy division t-shirt

i get you nabisco, but i think you're ignoring a key point. as the audience for "indie" music changed, so did indie music, and vice-versa. and the incursion of non-rock styles into what had been a pretty rigid format is a big part of this.

There were certainly indie bands that used keyboards in the '90s, but it was usually in the service of a retro analog vibe (whether that be the cool lounge mode of Stereolab, Cardigans, Air, and Komeda or the distorted organ freakouts from Yo La Tengo and Brainiac) rather than the beat-driven, sparkly-sheened dance-rock stuff that predominates today.

― jaymc

yeah, that seems like the midpoint. bands like stereolab helped open things up by using electronic instrumentation and styles in a manner that didn't seem too "commercial". plus, again, unapologetically commercial acts like beck & the rentals were also clearly somehow representative of an "indie" POV. late in the 90s you have a backlash of sorts with the increasing popularity of gritty-teeth garage punk, but it sort of backfires, as it generates tons of airplay with the likes of the white stripes & strokes, and also opens to door for the inevitable skinny-tie & synthpop crossover stuff (later strokes records, coke mirror compatibilty of retro-postpunk & electroclash, total breakdown of the bogus line between "good rock" and "bad pop").

mclachlan was one nettwerk for awhile

on*

xpost - Umm I don't think I've disputed or really bothered with any of those ideas.

The original point, once again: there has been an "indie" audience for synthpop and new-wave sounds for decades. Yes, you can somewhat distinguish it from the audience for punk and rrrrock. It has nevertheless existed, and would seem to be similar to the modern-day "indie" audience that might like MGMT or Ladytron.

rrrrock

and yet new wave/synthpop gets put on a pedestal by the same purist snobs who bitch about indie invading their space y/n?

agree w nabs that the indie audience has always prided itself on broadmindedness. i remember a lot of indie enthusiasm for yr ministry & skinny puppy way back when. but i also remember that there were very clear lines separating "that stuff" (ebm, industrial) from "independent rock music". i can't put it any more plainly that there wasn't any "indie" back then. there was only "indie rock".

also, i think, in yr previous posts, you're concentrating too much on the mid 90s, which was a period of expansion and ferment. lots of variation. and you'd see variation in mid/late 80s mags & playlists, too, but what you didn't see much of was a wide embrace of unapologetic, radio-targeted pop (unless it was some kind of oddball "import", a category for which there are and always have been special rules). and as poppy as indie may have been (REM, who sold bazillions and weren't even on an independent label), one thing you just DID NOT see was pop-friendly, dance-influenced synth music.

the emergence of a strong e-dribble scene within american indie music (and not just parallel to it) seems to have happened slowly, over the last 18 years or so. brits were quicker on the uptake in this regard. american indie certainly didn't have a foxbase alpha in 91.

rrrrrock

now i'm all self-conscious. look! i'm arguing with nabisco!

there were very clear lines separating "that stuff" (ebm, industrial) from "independent rock music". i can't put it any more plainly

Hahaha contenderizer you don't need to put it any more plainly because that's what I said to you around 1:58pm ET

I mean, you keep saying things that are basically true and that I'm not disputing. And yet none of these things make Depeche Mode fans not exist (or make Depeche Mode have any less to do with today's broad "indie" audience than Mudhoney does)

oh good this thread has turned into an entirely different and equally tedious kind of 'indie' thread

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^ remains on tha cash

And I mean c'mon, when people upthread talk about MGMT, Hot Chip, the Postal Service, or Le Tigre appealing to "indie" fans, they are not talking about punks -- the people they are talking about are roughly analogous to the people who once liked the Lightening Seeds or Depeche Mode and whatnot. (It doesn't really matter to me at what point you want to consider those people to have been officially invited into the definition of the word "indie," the point is that they've been there all along.)

nabisco's x-post: true. we're arguing at angles. i'm saying that the rockist contingent "owned" and patrolled the terminology way back when, but that things have changed. you're saying that regardless of terminology and scene kops, there's always been a large, broadminded audience for these kinds of musics. so i agree with both of us

rabisco's last post: yeah, i no. folds back into the above. lots of folks in the 80s liked DM, but american indie rockers didn't think of them as indie rock, and they certainly didn't cop their style

that's why the emergence of acts like unrest, magnetic fields, beck, etc. withing american indie rock are interesting to me, and why i'd say they have something significant in common with today's electronic american indie bands. mag fields and the like demonstrated that you didn't have to just like DM on the side: you could actually play that shit and still be TK indie.

nabisco you seem to be focused more on the audience, whereas contenderizer is more focused on the bands and their place in the respective genres.

neither of you are including the influence of the INTERNET on what is now considered LOL INDIE

i like that this thread got a new life, but it was better when it was people like xcuxk posting shit like "dropout"

too bad indie videos are so hard to find. magnetic fields "10,000" fireflies from 91 (soon to be covered by teh superchunk), with hideous flash animation

The song's video features the band dressed in "MonkeyRat" costumes with oversized ears, dancing around Paris – the Eiffel Tower is visible in many shots. During the video, the band uses blowguns to shoot tranquilizer darts into the legs of four passing young women who are dressed in black with short skirts, then carrying them away. They then use a fishing rod to dangle a steak in front of a group of chefs, enticing them to follow. The band members dance around for a few seconds and then lure three chefs into following them. The band members swallow several mealworms, before finding two stereotypically effeminate gay men in a café, who are then beaten over the head with baguettes and knocked unconscious. A dwarf mime artist is captured in a net and then thrown into a cage with the four women, three chefs, and the gay couple in a clear parody of animal collectors capturing frightened specimens. The band leap around the cage taunting their captives. As the song draws to an end, the prisoners are released and all dance together in formation in the street. The mime artist escapes and is run over by a speeding Renault 5 car driven by Lüpüs Thünder.

The song lyrics, common with the Bloodhound Gang's other music, contain a wide variety of colloquial innuendos extolling the enjoyment of vigorous sexual activity.

indie vs. alt

The historical point of significance to the viability of this term (ha) is not when indie types started listening to electronic stuff (forever) but when indie became "lol indie". I guess the starting point was when the homespun aesthetic became decoupled from punk and/or grunge - so no to The Raincoats but yes to C86. Except that grunge kind of interrupted this aesthetic and I don't think that it was codified into "lol indie" until the end of the nineties - as ethan points out perhaps as a kind of retrospective pitchforkization circa 1999 (their albums of the 90s being a kind of canonical statement with regard to "lol indie", what it is, and what it likes outside of itself).

Modest Mouse and Death Cab For Cutie always struck me as the archetypal bands in this regard...?

Which makes Postal Service the magnetic north for "indie-friendly electrodribble".

But it also makes "homespun but decoupled from punk" probably the key aesthetic distinction for this stuff too. Which is why IDM, electroclash and nu-rave don't really work as parts of this particular aesthetic. Also why the indie-electro thread is actually on a very different tip.

I don't much like The Postal Service (though obv. love the Superpitcher remix of "The Dream of Evan & Chan") but I mostly tend to like music that would fall under this term.

My sister was really into The Postal Service for a while; her big preference has always been for music that could soundtrack a moment of particular poignancy in sub-mainstream films - especially if it actually does.

I guess the starting point was when the homespun aesthetic became decoupled from punk and/or grunge

Yes: you can trace this particular notion to within 2/3 years of punk's "birth," though. (Television Personalities, Young Marble Giants, Marine Girls, Scottish indie bands, etc.) This is part of why I kept talking about new-wave up above -- if you want to trace threads from punk to modern-day indie, a few of them are going to need to run through early punky new-wave (79/80) and later glossy/synthy new-wave; a few of them are going to skirt around early punkier English electronic stuff (Sheffield, etc.); and of course there's always going to be some sort of malleable threshold between indie and just "pop" (haha which is why I'm uncomfortable with talking about the Postal Service in many ways we wouldn't also talk about the Lightning Seeds).

as a dude who was a college radio dj from 1991-95, my memory is that i was the only person playing anything that wasnt straight rawkgrunge on the entire station, and was basically billed as the superfucked up eclectic show because i was playing rave stuff and industrial as well as the other stuff. so i think that the early 90's were way more anti-synth anti-electro in the general college age crowd than some of you think. also, the record store i was managing basically stopped stocking new order and similar stuff because no one would buy it.

i do not at all want to get into whatever mess the rest of this thread is in.

xpost

I think all of that new wave stuff still has a notional connection to punk, in the same way that the Lightning Seeds has a notional connection to britpop - what was required for this term to become viable is a sense of a scene that is entirely separate and self-sustaining, and for this to be obvious to everyone else (like, maybe Postcard had indie nights where they were able to play only rather soft material, but it doesn't feel like they were totally separate from post-punk). Which is where internet communities come in.

i also remember several specific "big-ears" types deciding that rapeman was by definition a better band than big black because they had a real drummer instead of a drum machine.

Ha, I don't know why we keep talking about the fact that the early-early 90s was something of a high point for indie guitar-rockism: in many ways that is true. Of course, that period also sits neatly between an 80s high point of kids dressed like the Cure and a 90s high point of analog-synth revivalism and post-rock and certain non-dance audiences being "friendly" to Orbital or Mouse on Mars, so I'm not sure it says a ton. The people listening to those things were not exactly always the same people listening to AmRep bands, but the people today listening to MGMT are not exactly always the same people listening to Load bands.

i am apparently all of these people

load bands totally not LOLindie

which is to say Tim F. on all kinds of money, esp. WR2 "retrospective pitchforkization". what's weird about the equally OTM "homespun but decoupled from punk" bit is how that decoupling also undid the political arguments that encouraged "homespun" in the 1st place. so cute & ramshackle became a simple matter of taste, and no longer necessarily the core of the aesthetic. (at least not something that had to be so relentlessly insisted upon.) which eventually allowed LOLindie to start gobbling up influences and approaches way outside the c. 99 bounds seemingly established by death cab, belle & sebastian, modest mouse, etc

plus what jjj said

and, you know, i held off for quite a while, but that fucking MGMT record is awesome

Haha this winter, Cutty IS "the indie audience"

Seriously, parts of this thread feel like an extended argument about whether my high-school and college friends existed, which I swear to God they did

I think the critical energy in this thread should seriously apply itself to this video.

This is Indie in 2009, at least on some level.

I was too young in the early 90s to really be aware of the split between the Indie tribes of the time, so my knowledge about all of it is colored by reading various critical sources. Many of them lauded grunge and the associated post hardcore freakshow as being the thing of the time, but being kind of a closeted Goth I guess I was aware of other stuff existing back then that was interesting and Indie. Stuff people have already mentioned like Big Black.

When I was first introduced to it Indie was emo (Sunny Day Real Estate, Modest Mouse, etc.) that traced its history back to those pre Grunge bands. My friend tried to get me into Pavement and I decided that I liked Indie but not that kind of Indie at least.

Of course thats all American Indie, mostly of the midwestern or Western variety.

I think the first time I started noticing the attitude I associate most with the last decade of Pitchfork curated pop that gets the current Indie tag was with the Dandy Warhols maybe?

You add that level of near paralyzing self consciousness into Electroclash, stir a little and you'll basically get where we seem to be at the moment. Its really kind of interesting from an amateur DJ angle trying to get people who swear up and down that they don't like dance music to enjoy dancing. I guess Erol Alkan pretty much figured out how to do it with Trash, and that night started how long ago now?

I was 18 in 1991 (the year punk broke HAH) So I bought any grunge and didnt give a toss between "thats too metal" "Thats too indie" camps and wasinto both and i checked out the bands that influenced it. Im glad i did and wasnt cynical like i'd be now or i would have missed out on good stuff by worrying whether it was ok or not.

Hah that was a time i would by stuff on the basis of a good review in MM/Kerrang/NME/Raw. Some of the writers I trusted and never let me down. Most of that stuff i still listen to and love now. Despite so many people saying "its just a fad"
Wonder if todays indie kids will feel the same in 15 years.

I think that some weird pseudo backpacker hiphop totally fits this thing as well.

But I really don't know what Tobacco is really.

x-post - that's interesting, perspective wise. and dragonette is interesting, uh, intrsting wise. agree that it's real hard at this point to draw a line between electroclash fallout and LOLindie (glass candy, fr ex)

This is Indie in 2009, at least on some level.

Ha ha, that song made my top 10 singles list in 2007! Which means I am either way more indie than I thought, or two years ahead of my time, or something.

By the way, I haven't even really skimmed through this thread, but I assume somebody has pointed out that there's a big difference, musically, between the stuff that was called technopop in the '80s (Depeche/Duran/Dead Or Alive/Spandau/New Order/etc) and the seemingly way less groove-oriented and more anorexic post-Postal Service type stuff lately. Which is way I somewhat facetiously way upthread pegged the Replacements' "Within Your Reach" and Urge Overkill's "Dropout" and Magnetic Fields (yeah, I think "10,000 Fireflies" may have been the song I had in mind, too) instead of the obviously way more ubiquitous-in-the-'80s Depeche-type stuff as prototypes of the current stuff (even if, as Nabisco seems to be saying unless I'm reading him wrong), the current stuff's audience is similar to what Depeche's audience used to be, which it may well be.

Really wanted to find and post a video for Dead Milkmen's "Instant Club Hit (You'll Dance To Anything)," but sadly youtube was no help at all.

(xpost i meant was DJE's reminiscence)

anyway, tobacco is black moth supa rainboo spinoff, and BMSR fits this thread like a glove. plus is gr8

I shoulda posted the Midnight Juggernaut remix of that Dragonette song.

But I guess I didn't want to get back into the bloghouse argument again really.

xp Noticed somebody mentioned Big Black, too; maybe worth noting (if nobody already did) that the more, uh, manly and guitar-oriented tough-guy end of mid/late '80s indie-rock-before-anybody-called-it-that did have its own bands that used drum machines (thinking of Breaking Circus, Three Johns, etc.)

Haha the review I linked to upthread kinda starts with "Instant Club Hit" -- I think of that song as a really great encapsulation of both (a) the tension/conflict between American punk and synthpop / British bands / college rock, and (b) the way they shared enough space to bother needling one another across the crowd. (It's just one of a whole bunch of songs where scrappy American types thumb their noses at such stuff for being too fluffy, fashionable, or "faggy" -- these are the kinds of middle fingers you only really bother giving to styles that are somewhat up in your space, you know?)

on the same tip, killdozer covering janet's "nasty"

w semi-credible butch vig production, even - from 89. they did unbelievable a few years later

but i think a big part of the point made by the likes of killdozer & the dead milkmen was the vast (perceived) gap between themselves - the working poor - and this "pop shit" they were covering - upper class twits. they may have loved the music, but only from a distance, and they seemed to speak to an audience who felt the same way

Michael Gerald sounds like Dieter Meier there!

x-post

this is the same thing bloodhound gang were doing more than a decade later with "the bad touch" and "lift your head up high": induling a taste for dance/pop/electronics, but doing so from a defensive, at least half mocking position.

other 1st gen examples = big black doing "in my house" & sonic youth "into the groove"

(applies less to dead milkmen than killdozer, i guess)

I remember when the bloodhound gang were a nu-metal band. that video with some fish. Was strange when they came out with that big hit. Same with Sugar Ray. anyway i realise theyre not indie or electrodribble so i'll shut up

also the Buttholes as... dun,dun,dun - The Jack Officers!

x-post

yeah, that's a really good signpost, cuz it was so full-on, so consistent with their thing (once you thought about it), and so at odds with the prevailing attitudes in that scene; e.g., mudhoney's "ha ha fagz" defensiveness. very similar to eye's embrace of electronic dance music later on.

plus genesis P, but that was no surprise to anyone

xp Even earlier prototype of hardscrabble Amerindies with guitars making fun of all the faggy British glitter disco nightschool drum-drum-drum was probably "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" by X from 1983 (while they were meanwhile trying to get dancey themselves in "True Love Part 2" on the same album.)

chuck did you like Terrorvisions cover of The Model?

xxp - I think the consistency twixt the two for Gibby was the drugs.

Uh...never heard it. (Not sure I ever even heard Terrorvision; didn't Therapy? have an album of that name?) Liked Big Black's "The Model" cover, though.

It was one of the bsides to a single off their 2nd album (only decent album they made)
Therapy? didnt have an album of the same name. I gave up on Therapy? with Infernal Love. They were one of my favourite bands til that atrocity.

oh man completely OTM that album was MISERABLE

always hated their version of "Diane."

Loose isn't MISERABLE! And bringing it back on topic - is David Holmes indie-friendly electrodribble? Let's Get Killed is probably one of the first records I bought that could probably be classed 'electronic'.

"is David Holmes indie-friendly electrodribble?"

for some reason, yes, though he started off making straight-up detroit-y techno iirc. i guess he was marketed towards so-called indie people, just as lots of dance acts were in the mid-late 90s. it's not super-obvious why, but i guess it's something like he was an 'album' guy, an eclectic dj sans genre (after the techno phase), that sort of stuff.

^^^don't you have any u&k buttkissing to do on 77 or elsewhere? oh wait, i forgot dom had been temp banned. well, don't fret, pet, there's always NV - i'm sure he'd appreciate some of your lovin' attention.

LBZC is straight blowjobs thanks no "buttkissing".

sweet.

straight-on-straight blowjobs

Hrrrmmm. LBZC slash, now that is something ... no, too perverted and wrong for even me to contemplate.

On the downlow.

ai-ai-ai

"OOH ENRIQUE COCK" doesn't have the same ring as Erol Cock, now, does it?

Enrique has a prince albert, Erol an ampalang.

lol ionnis not sure why u chose one of enriques sincere posts to follow w/ that impressive butthurt routine but either way 10.0

Now officially the worst thread ever.

Nah still a ways to go.

http://www.wearatshirt.com/images/ttfrobamaglasses2.jpg http://www.wearatshirt.com/images/ttfrobamacowboy.jpg http://www.wearatshirt.com/images/ttfrobamabandana.jpg

"sincere"

"sassy"

was at one time a very guilty fan of that PWEI record

DJ Spooky

I was going to say Scooter.

I'm fed up with Balearic Electrodribble. Can anyone point me the way to some Drum 'n' Dribble?

http://www.discogs.com/Everything-But-The-Girl-Everything-But-The-Girl-vs-Drum-N-Bass/release/1440588

lol oh god

they fit the handbag dribble moniker too

Well, that's actually a pretty good EP of DnB remixes of you're into that sort of thing. They don't make good DnB anymore and that EP is full of good mixes. A couple mixes of Missing were Handbag dribble but not much of EBTG would be classified as Handbag as far as i'm aware.

sarcasm detector is broken too so please excuse my serious answers to your lulzy propositions.

I have never heard the Boston band Passion Pit, who for all I know might be great, but here is an amazing recommendation from a writer named Nick Marino, in the new issue of Paste:

"Here's the new paradigm: They make dance music for people who like music."

So there you go.

real fuckin music for real fuckin men

I had Passion Pit in my head as some sort of """"trippy"""" Flaming Lips type thing, possibly wrongly but it really doesn't matter as that quote is fantastically stupid

music vs music

wite men dribble like this

white men can't dribble

what was the old paradigm

get busy livin or get busy dyin

dance music for people who to die on bank holidays

I heards a milkman whistling Strings of Life once. So I punched him in the face.

lol what in god's fuck is this

Tags: Hyper Crush the arcade electro neon black light hip hop hypercrush

bump

yeah that shit is fucking horrible - i think grady was forced to see them in hawaii lol

wow, that max tundra video blew my mind with its awfulness. isn't this the guy that used to try to start feuds with Aphex Twin over drum programming techniques? I wish this thread was about ex-IDM guys who do bubblegum laptop pop.

dare 2 dream buddy

This whole thread and no mention of Home Video, even tho Jr Boys got mentions. I'm going to cry now.

This is to balance out the Hypercrush tracks, not all the hipster hiphouse is that bad.

awesomeness btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ipqEk3ZPY

the new single definitely samples the sound ichat makes when you get a new message

― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

the song is ooookay, doesnt need to be 5 mins long tho

also "electrodribble" is my least favorite phrase ever

where is contenderizer anyway?

the song is ooookay, doesnt need to be 5 mins long tho

― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:18 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

um no

some friends of mine just got a peep from pfork. pasted here in its entirety:
Oh, get your mind out of the gutter. Teengirl Fantasy's name has nothing to with fantasies about teen girls, but rather the fantasies of them-- cute boys, baby animals, and rainbows that taste like mint chocolate chip ice cream, according to one "fan's" site. It's an appropriate handle. The dorm room project of Ohio students Logan Takahashi and Nick Weiss, Teengirl Fantasy's music is nothing but dreamy-- warm and ethereal like the pastel waterscape that decorates the cover of recent single "Floor to Floor". Pulling a classic bait and switch, the song opens with some garden-variety 8-bit glitch tinkering before a belching synth lets things loose at the one-minute mark. From there, it's straight coasting. Like a washing machine set to "gentle," the track's heavy bass bleeds into lush, aquatic synths, and stirred-in vocal samples (including jubilant cries of "do it, do it!"). The result is something akin to High Places' post-pop at its most buoyant, but informed more by house music and beat-heavy Top 40 hip-hop, and rather accomplished for two very young dudes working out of their bedrooms.

here is the myspace: http://www.myspace.com/teengirlfantasy

and a video of their first track together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BY4xIpwk2w

i'm conviced that if they stay together, they will be very famous one day.

imo that yacht-pyschic city song sounds like a kinda zzz young marble giants bside -- dont get whats so BEST NEW MUSIC abt it at all

also this thread reads so ridiculously. whats 'electro' about the avalanches?

man, have you ever even heard YMG?

Nope, sorry, just have a mental block against all-male bands with the word "girl" in their names. Can't get past that. (I'd say it's fairly obvious from listening to about two minute of the track that they don't have a clue what actual teenage girls fantasise about, as they've clearly never been one.)

At least now I know why my sister used to buy all these magazines with pictures of mint choc chip ice cream rainbows on the cover - thanks Teengirl Fantasy band u r a treat

Pulling a classic bait and switch, the song opens with some garden-variety 8-bit glitch tinkering before a belching synth lets things loose at the one-minute mark. From there, it's straight coasting. Like a washing machine set to "gentle," the track's heavy bass bleeds into lush, aquatic synths, and stirred-in vocal samples (including jubilant cries of "do it, do it!"). The result is something akin to High Places' post-pop at its most buoyant, but informed more by house music and beat-heavy Top 40 hip-hop, and rather accomplished for two very young dudes working out of their bedrooms.

This description makes them sound like the worst shit ever by the way. Does the world need a twee Crystal Castles?

liked that gasmaskk(?) track you that was on 20jfg/you linked to tabes

they don't really sound like a twee crystal castles. i'd say more housey Wham City type stuff.

also, fuck yall if you don't like 'em.

Something in this vein that I've been enjoying quite a lot lately has been the new album by Wave Machines. On the surface they sound like Hot Chip, but when you skim that layer off, they're actually a really interesting band with very catchy tunes and that Liverpudlian sense of melody/experimentation that I like.

pitchfork best new music is prime site for quality electrodribble cf Discovery So Insane, great bit where the beat halves

the xx have this years electrodribble award sewn up

i dunno, man. i just don't hear enough electro in their dribble. :/

well there is a lot of dribble, i grant you that.

the wholesale absence of any actual electro is what makes so damn indie-friendly.

it was only a matter of time until Electrodribble splintered off into an even indie-friendlier subgenre called "dribble".

no..."double dribble."

who in your funny little world is actually giving out these awards guys?

v. important news, algerian goalkeeper plz take note -- this may merit an overseas trip...

http://pitchfork.com/news/41307-max-tundra-tours-with-girl-talk

Max Tundra Tours With Girl Talk

Right now, ADD party-controller Girl Talk is in the midst of a gigantic North American tour. And for a month-long chunk of that tour, he'll have some serious help: British bedroom pop experimenter Max Tundra, who will open a bunch of shows. To celebrate the tour, Tundra's giving away a new track: His reworking of the immortal theme music to the great 70s detective show "The Rockford Files"; download that here. We've got the tour dates below.

In a press release, Tundra says, "Psyched to be heading out on the road again. I intend to gorge on American delicacies such as chicken pot pie, What-A-Burgers and an over-easy egg, only then to dance it all off each night before several thousand pairs of eyes. I would love for people to sing along as I do this-- hopefully people are learning the lyrics to their favourite Max Tundra ditty as we speak."

Max Tundra:

02-23 Brooklyn, NY - Glasslands Gallery
02-24 New York, NY - Terminal 5 *
02-25 Providence, RI - Lupo's *
02-26 Boston, MA - House of Blues *
02-28 Portland, ME - State Theater *
03-01 Montreal, Quebec - Metropolis *
03-03 Royal Oak, MI - Compuware Sports Arena *
03-04-05 Chicago, IL - Congress Theater *
03-07 Madison, WI - Orpheum *
03-08-09 Minneapolis, MN - First Ave *
03-11-12 Denver, CO - Ogden *
03-14 Missoula, MT - Wilma Theater *
03-15 Seattle, WA - Showbox SoDo *
03-17 Portland, OR - Roseland *
03-18 Oakland, CA - Fox Theater *
03-19 Pomona, CA - Fox Theater *
03-21 Los Angeles, CA - Palladium *
03-22 San Diego, CA - SOMA *
03-23 Phoenix, AZ - Marquee *
03-25 Las Vegas, NV - Cosmopolitan *

* with Girl Talk

max tundj was always waste

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you h8 melody

h8 geir melody and proto-pompl twee indie electro melody yeah

electroprog too lies without your fancy, but we'll be cool

to call maxt proto-pompl deserves a swift dom leone to the sternum

srsly lj u gotta outgrow this shit

tundj isn't really electrodribble tho, parallel currents but his 'arch' 'affecting' ~best new music~ avant la lettre is affectively quite different to the sort of moshi moshi shit that occupies the dribb mnstrm

^^^that second bit is completely otm, was gonna object to mxt being itt - he's basically an eccentric bedroom hypermelodicist rather than an indiedribblah - he's much more organic than electro in concept, even if his tools are recognisable as electro

you'll have to try harder to get me on the ascetic path

this thread. memories...

srsly lj u need to get some sense kicked into u again

swift blast of russell haswell will clear away the cobwebs

i liked his earth remix iirc

might come in there later but i've promised some ppl a k8 bush liveblog

oh ok, 5 mins but it better be good