wonky - s/d

most of the stuff on hyperdub is pretty essential imo...

not totally sure what i think about the jkamata – you don’t know what love is b-side of the new joker 12". it is kinda dubsteppy but doesnt really twist its influences so much that it makes me think its doing anything esp novel with the 80s funk/kleer vibe, other than introducing that side of things into a wonky/dubstep approach. i think id rather hear sa-ra or chromeo. but the joker a-side is good.

i really like the jkamata. g-funk! the joker a-side is immense though, as are all joker tracks generally.

IKONIKA.

i dont really hear the g-funk thing in that song. not sure why ppl (or fact at least) keep writing that. sounds more like quiet storm 80s soul...

didgiedesign by joker = record of the year.

wonky purists may scoff, but "inflation" by crazy cousinz would fit in here for me. love that and several roska 12"s.

also, 90% of rustie.

inflation is pretty straightahead funky.

the J Kamata thing reminds me of Zapp and Roger or something.

I don't really like wonky all that much, if we're calling Joker wonky then yeah, I'm in to him. But contrary to Stirmonster I like about 10% of Rustie rather than 90%.

the J Kamata thing reminds me of Zapp and Roger or something.

oh, but also it does have a pretty dubsteppy beat. Not much bass going on there though.

i loathe the term "wonky" btw.

I don't really get what 'wonky' is. I'm assuming a halfway-house between dubstep and funky?

Hudson Mohawke - Oops EP
Starkey - Ephemeral Exhibits

But contrary to Stirmonster I like about 10% of Rustie rather than 90%.

it would be good if the 10% you like was the the 10% i don't like. we could do some sort of rustie record share.

haha

I don't really get what 'wonky' is. I'm assuming a halfway-house between dubstep and funky?

― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC)

As far as I can see it's a bit of an amorphous term, I mean some of Rustie's stuff is just like Dilla influenced hip-hop with maybe a bit of a crunk and techno influence.

and maybe slightly grimey.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/50284-the-month-in-grime-dubstep

i dont think wonky producers are like the new versions of afx or squarepusher for grime/dubstep but theyre def more 'outsiders', sonically if not in terms of where they belong to the scene. but there is sometimes that kinda sense of being 'removed' from/irreverent of the scenes/sounds they draw from in their tracks. or its just more electronica-y.

The first time I heard 'wonky' used as a crypto-genre name was a few years ago and it concerned mainly London-based distorted shifty techno people like Jerome Hill and Subhead and Neil Landstrumm - who now jocks lots of dubstep for his productions

didgiedesign by joker = a decent pastiche of C64 music with a dubstep beat.

^_^

more NES music and a grime beat tbh.

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

melody reminiscent on YMO.

of

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

My basis for saying it's not C64 is that Joker is at most 20 years old and therefore has probably never seen a C64.

i think the aphex/squarepusher comparison stands in bedridden suburban white guys taking the framework of a UK (black) urban dance music and fiddled about with the signifiers and throwing in little nods and winks to other genres to show theyve been to uni. I suppose theres more actual dancing done to Joker/starkey wonky though. Guys like dorian concept are definetly the gimpier end, mopst of his stuff flaps about too much to work on the dancefloor

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

My basis for saying it's not C64 is that Joker is at most 20 years old and therefore has probably never seen a C64.

― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:09 (55 minutes ago)

Ouch! Way to make me feel old.

Puzzled when 'nuum headz who cite "IDM" as the worst music ever because of its surfeit of amateurish shite (thanks for being old and white enough to remember it) then go nuts over similar slapdash out-of-tune bedroom random-note bobbling because now it has some half-stepping snares and a slightly wobblier bass and its creator is under 20 and pulls street poses in a hoodie

(I like some of this stuff but the less devil's-advocate version of this post was way tldr and I know nobody was looking for my opinion anyhow)

because its exactly like all of the prog house bashing minimal/'Deep house' heads, theyre making a lot of noise to try and throw everyone the scent of them blowing their student loans on the warp and rephlex back catalogues in the early 00's whenever theyre pretending to have been repping el-b and todd edwards

spacecadet is pretty otm, but its a bit diff cos you have guys like joker working with mcs, and being endorsed by them... which might just be smart moves being made w/r/t mcs opening their fanbase etc but then you have insider/outsider ppl like kode 9 backing them. it seems a bit blurrier than just underground vs nu-idm.

joker came out of grime as well and tbh isn't really very idm at all imo. I can see how some of this stuff can be termed that way and I do find some of it quite yawnsome (Hudson Mo, Flying Lotus, although I'm not sure the latter fits?).

i think jokers definitely seperate from much of this scene, he has been touted as a grime producer to watch for time, being from bristol just gives an oppurtunity to see him as a seperate entity from the london grime lads.

i also dont really understand the lionising of flying lotus, he was making middle of the road dilla take offs until he played with Kode9 at sonar. I played los Angeles about 3 times and then just gave up trying to find what everyone else seemed to be hearing.

Is Flying Lotus actually wonky? I thought it was meant to described Joker, Zomby, Rustie what not. I like Joker (a lot), the rest I can sort of take or leave.

Flying Lotus is a sham live. His sets are completely preprogrammed.

i loathe the term "wonky" btw.

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oh god yes. been trying to avoid it - only realised that i might like it when i heard joker and ikonika tagged with the label, but it seems from this thread i might be wrong? not really into rustie, zomby et al though to be fair haven't given them much of a chance.

there's this really good Rusie track with a ridiculously dayglo high pitched synth lead that is beyond awesome but i can never remember what it's called and it certainly isn't on the jagz the smack ep because that is zzz.

Read the descriptions on boomkat lol.

"Wonky" is no worse than "funky" really. Genre names are really going downhill.

i think i might be thinking of his collaboration with Joker that I just listened to on boomkat but I'm not sure. Lol drugs.

""Wonky" is no worse than "funky" really."

Too true.

takes some heat off 'wonky pop' at least

"nuum" = 20 year protracted failure of british to make convincing hip-hop

^jelous of our nuum

I have spent the last year trying to figure out what the fuck a "'nuum" is after ignoring any mention of it in music criticism that I've read. Is this something that people buy into at a live music/scene level or is it just something that writers cooked up?

As in, I've read it for well over a decade but kind of read around all the statements that treated this concept like some sort of hallowed ground

I found a video clip of Simon Reynolds explaining it, but I really don't think I'm going to buy his argument here: http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2028&Itemid=28

Is this something that people buy into at a live music/scene level

lol, not at all really

http://nuum.org/

fly lo is actually really good live, pre programmed or not. much prefer hearing him do a set to the album, which is a bit too 'mild'. i like the way it seems to have dread/downtempo moods all at the same time but it just seems like it could have been made in the late 90s, give or take a few dilla-isms. dont hear much bass in it either, for all the talk of it being dubstep influenced.

How long has nuum.org been there? That's a treasure trove for the mixes alone.

here are a few sets i cut out of the mary anne hobbs shows from last year and uploaded for friends, i can post more if there's interest:

hyperdub showcase:
darkstar
samiyam
zomby

generation bass:
joker
starkey

bristol rise up:
joker

also a pretty sweet gemmy mix from fact

generation nu skool breaks bass

no seriously, this sounds just like radioactive man

Haha I listened to the short Ikonika mix up there and 2000-era nu-school breaks was the very first thing that came to mind. The second was Drukqs-period Aphex Twin, the droning synths and the melodies more than the beats though.

why is it everyone has to compare everything to Aphex ffs?

can i get some recommendations for '80s funk/kleer vibe' stuff or g-funk that sounds like 'you don't know what love is'?

the J Kamata thing reminds me of Zapp and Roger or something.

ok well by now im guessing everyone has read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/mar/05/wonky-ketamine-dubstep-zomby
interesting read but its a pretty half baked theory, not really very otm at all, and i think even he knows it.

we already talked about this on Simon Reynolds is a gob-shite.

Is Guido supposed to be wonky? What is the point of some of this stuff (listened to the aformentioned Guido single this morning and while it was pleasant enough)? It doesn't seem very danceable (seems to be missing vocals too or maybe a movie to go with.)

How many different names does crappy UK dance music need to have?

am kinda liking this Joker stuff.

Joker is good. In an odd way I like this music more in practice than in theory: reading about it always makes it sound so boring. Reynolds is right that (in theory terms at least) it's totally a DJ Spooky/"illbient" equiv for 2009.

Is there even a wonky scene though? I mean for all the shit that illbient gets those dudes all hung and did their roof party/art gallery stuff. Maybe it's all let's sit around and get stoned and talk about Derrida or whatever, but at least I get how you listen to that stuff in a social setting. What's the purpose of wonky?

I find Reynolds assumptions about illbient/breakcore kind of moronic frankly (drill-n-bass less so.)

i'm glad you guys are using the Illbient term with straight faces :)

wonky barely exists as a genre and not at all as a scene. i wish people who don't go to any nights where it's played would stop trying to conjure up theories from afar out of thin air.

and in turn i wish other people would stop taking the moronic theorisers seriously, or reading their bullshit at all.

Haha point taken.

apparently i like this "genre" and i didn't even know it.

is there audio on the net of harmonic and alexander nut at fwd the other night? sounded pretty good.

thoughts on guido? DLd the mix from fact - he sounds like stadium dubstep+current timbaland (like the stuff hes been doing for nelly f, one republic etc). not necess in a bad way.

is flying lotus "wonky"?

because he has a bunch of this stuff on his essential mix.

yeah he is. he was playing here (Glasgow) with Hudson Mohawke and Rustie on Friday.

i like flying lotus better than a boatload of these guys, maybe because he actually does seems to concentrate on interesting beat programming rather than just getting the fartiest bass. i mean, for all these guys talk about "wonky beats" on paper it's pretty samey in practice.

"fidget house" has the same problem. considering that there are basically an unlimited number of ways to chop up a hip hop or rock sample or a vocal hook, sinden and herve fell into a formula pretty damn quick. "herve presents ghetto bass" was the most depressing listen ever!

FL is so far above this other shit that it's insane.

Joker > all.

this is like some end of the world shit or something but i think we're on the same page here, pipecock

When I firstheard FL EP on Warp I knew his music was for me before knowing anything about him or the kinds of music he liked. The same can't be said for the other "wonky" (HATE that term!) shit. I can see why those guys like his music but I can't guess what he likes about theirs.

fly lo is good in a sort of boards of canada/90s idm meets prefuse kind of way. dabrye deserves more props tho.

yeah, dabrye would seem to fit here, but i don't think i've ever heard him mentioned as wonky. Maybe because he's been about for some time.

he hasn't been doing much lately, has he?

there's a great dabrye bit on the flying lotus EM, iirc.

ooops sorry, that's a daedalus bit, not dabrye.

and anyway after some careful listening turns out the track i am thinking of is actually not even daedalus, it's hudson mohawke ("zoooom")

here's the track:

I think I still like Joker best out of all these guys. And unless Flying Lotus has done something past the last LP that's blindingly brilliant I still find him boring. Dabrye, OTOH, I quite like in small doses anyway.

Hudson Mohawke is a terrible name, but that track is pretty good in a everything and the kitchen sink kind of way.

yeah but i refuse to acknowledge that track as "wonky", it's just another post-dilla broken beat electro hip hop track in that "beat dimensions" style (all that stuff on rush hour / delsin like rednose distrikt, aardvarck, cinnaman & jay scarlett, etc)

also he looks disturbingly like tynan delong

Isn't wonky basically "post-dilla broken beat electro hip hop"?

That baby blue hoody is kind of mind-boggling.

Although not as mind-boggling as naming yourself Hudson Mohawke, I guess.

Hudson Mohawke's track on this is fantastic (its Prefusey ILLBIENT tho)

i thought wonky had more to do with the zone between "experimental" dubstep and neil landstrumm type noisy bleepy rave revivalism

Wonky, to me, = Dilla + Drexciya and/or some dubstep or grime stuff that's a bit idiosyncratic.

Def. not the latter, at least not from what I understand. The electro influence is pretty big and the pace tends to be so sloooooow. Def. more hip-hop than breakcore.

Sorry that was to moonship.

jokers the best. and funkiest. fly lo is good tho a bit too mellow at times. wheres the bass (im going by the lazer bass name SFJ used) in his beats that everyone talks about? hud mo just seems like nerdy twee prefused (the bad anally retentive side of prefuse thats all glitch/jerkniess but nothing else) out boom bap.

really hate to validate the title of this thread, but i would really, really recommend the guido ep, orchestral lab/way u make me feel. shit is just BEAUTIFUL.

That's the one that sounds like Tangerine Dream, right?

uh i have no idea

Actually I guess they don't sound that much like TD, I just kept thinking this would make a great score to The Thief while I was listening to it esp. "Way U Make Me Feel".

"I think I still like Joker best out of all these guys. And unless Flying Lotus has done something past the last LP that's blindingly brilliant I still find him boring. Dabrye, OTOH, I quite like in small doses anyway.

― Alex in SF"

EP on Warp with "Tea Leaf Dancers" is as good as the LP if not better. don't know what problem you could have with that LP either, shit is really good all the way through.

i like Dabrye and Daedelus from time to time, they have moments of greatness and moments of weakness. i would definitely consider Flying Lotus to be more closely related to that stuff than to "wonky".

"don't know what problem you could have with that LP either, shit is really good all the way through."

To each their own, but I found it pretty dry. A lot of this stuff feels like it's missing songs to me (unsurprisingly my favorite Dabrye release is the one with all the rappers on it.)

sorry for the cliche (CLICHE ALERT!!!!) but if sun ra has songs then flying lotus certainly has songs ... though i do think, like much sun ra, that it works better as a sit-quietly-through-the-album experience than as anything you'd bump in the car

wow, those guido tracks are the shit! thanks, lex.

GNG BNG sounds pretty great on a large system.

the Guido tracks, to me, sound like some of the unfinished wtf tracks I've deleted out of my Fruity Loops directory.

You aren't really comparing Sun Ra to Flying Lotus, are you?

Anyway what I really mean above is that I feel like a lot of Flying Lotus are missing vocalists. I feel like that about Sun Ra occasionally too.

Agree with Alex's position here. I think I'd like this stuff and in particular Flying Lotus a lot more (not counting Joker who I really like and Guido who I haven't heard) if it went into more song/actual vocals territory.

i.e. more Maxinquaye, less DJs-Vadim-to-Spooky-unsettling-muzak-continuum.

Probably the issue is that i consume a lot of coffee and zero dope.

That might the issue for me as well, I'll admit.

Smoke more herb.

Drink more coffee.

Mostly I'm more interested in dancing than staring at speakers, be they in my bedroom or in a club.

i'm interested in staring at persian rugs while listening to techno records that sound like alice coltrane

though I don't do any drugs

I'd rather listen to Alice Coltrane.

i don't like drinking coffee or smoking weed but i saw Daedulus recently and he sucked more than anything i've heard in a long time. plus he looked like a douche. fyi.

if smoking weed prohibits you from dancing, you're doing it wrong.

oh, but you can do both alex

Smoking weed doesn't prohibit me from dancing but the music in this thread kinda does.

haha snap

are you one of those people that dances with headphones on when you vacuum, tim?

YES

see personally i like to do my ironing with some mo'wax records on, a glass of wine and a couple of valium

this could be like some sort of personality test: music, housework and you

I get my shirts drycleaned (this seems extravagant but at $2.00 Australian a shirt it's not really). Ironing is too much effort with too little physical exertion.

All mood music listening at my place is done on the main stereo with the tacit approval of my boyfriend. Pretty sure he would hate this stuff, though that's not a strong criticism, he hates a lot of stuff I like.

ironing is meditation, like trimming a bonsai or some shit

it's like origami, for your wardrobe

Except that when your ironing actually ends up looking like origami it's not terribly relaxing.

*bows to tim's wit*

anyways would ironing to wonky even work? My favourite muzaky trip hop is actually the smoothest/lushest shit like K&D. A lot of wonky is stuttery and awkward and ungainly. These terms meant to be value-neutral - obv. this is the attraction of this music.

OTOH I guess to some extent I have difficulty locking into the mindset that really enjoys that mixture of droopiness and ill-coordination - like, you can't just vague-out to it and nor can you really engage with the rhythms physically.

Someone like Joker is really not getting any more screwed-up rhythmically than the grime he's inspired by, so like grime (and indeed a lot of herky-jerky dance music - The Black Dog, jungle, 2-step, the more unpredictable funky) there's a sense of still maintaining fidelity to at least a nominal notion of danceability.

i think the synths / bass / samples actually carry the rhythm in most of this stuff rather than the percussion or drums which is why it's maybe not "danceable" music

its not dance music. nothing wrong with that though.

and i agree, it's neither in the vague-out zone nor in the really physically engage zone, it's like titchy said, it's boom bap - just music from cracking your neck out to, really.

xpost

I think the mistake people are making by lumping all this stuff together under "wonky" (which I now regret ever using in print, as I'm sure do Tom Lea and Blackdown) is the idea that "this stuff" should be lumped together at all. It's tempting to assign some term, any term, to describe certain shared tendencies on the part of certain producers mentioned above to combine broken rhythms, boom-bap, squealy synths, etc. And that's fine. But that's like saying that Dan Bell, Dopplereffekt and Ø are all "minimal" and then faulting them for not collectively providing the same dancing experience as, I dunno, progressive house or something. A lot of these tracks are all about breaking up the flow. I can't imagine dancing through (or even sitting through) DJ set made up entirely of Rustie, Zomby, Joker, FlyLo etc., but I do find tracks by those guys work really well in varying up dubsteppy sets. Granted that's just my take; a hip-hop DJ might well take a different attitude. I guess I see this stuff relating to its parent genres (or step-parents and in-laws) differently than music that's more deeply ensconced in a single, all-encompassing tradition; it's not all made to fit together. One of the things I dig about it is that by pushing tempos and beat structures in unusual directions, it's pushing me to look at my record collection differently, pulling together things I might not have thought of playing together. In my practice sets at home, a lot of the time I'm working both decks at +8/-8, or playing old Warp singles at 33 or Raster-Noton at 45....

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge defender of genres and creating cohesive experiences within them (whether as a critic or DJ). But a lot of the music on this thread functions as a break from genre; it's like a palate-cleansing sorbet. ("Ooh! Delightful!" Sorry for the culinary metaphor, I know they're the scourge of music writing, but hey, it's early, and I'm on my first coffee.)

I also think that there wouldn't be this urge to say "wonky" (or anything in its stead) if there weren't a sense that dubstep was dissolving, as a genre, in ways that haven't happened to techno or house in a while. The mainstream core has its jump-up/tech-step thing going on, but at the margins, there's no *there* there, you know? There are very few tropes or hallmarks that you can cite to show the connection between, I dunno, Martyn, Scuba, Shackleton, Daphne, Thriller, Joker, et al, to say nothing of the entire Hyperdub catalog. In some ways it's just a case of Dubstep/Not-Dubstep, but who wants to say that? Better still would probably simply to bring back "broken beat," but nobody wants to be tarred with the beardo brush these days.

the beardo brush sounds like some horrifying manuever a devendra lookalike might pull on a williamsburg dancefloor

I agree with Phil - on listening to this stuff I haven't even remotely felt a sense that this is coalescing around one particular scene, just seems like a load of dubstep/grime/IDM producers vibing off a similar feel at the fringes of their respective genres.

i also agree with phil.

but there seems 2 types of 'wonky' - the fly lo type boom bappy stuff and then the rustie/joker style which is more synth based. i dont think broken beat works for any of it as it doesnt sound like ig culture, marc mac, kaidi etc. tbh tho, i dont really think wonky works as a decent description for flylo anyway - his stuff isnt weirded out and all pitchbent like rustie or joker, its more 'serious' and more related to 90s hip hop production (via dilla) than what halff the other guys are doing. still, you could connect fly lo to hud mo and hud mo's less dilla/heatmakers sounding stuff to rustie and co. wonky isnt a great word for what theyre all doing but there is something that connects them all. which is maybe just dubstep and hip hop.

also its impossible for it to be like a traditional 'scene' when theyre all scattered around the globe. its a net-scene.

yeah phil otm. when i've heard this stuff out in clubs it's usually had the function of adding variety to a set of straighter dubstep, or dropped into a grime or funky set (joker's productions sound terrific with a good MC over them). i don't smoke weed either and it sounds perfectly fine as dance music to me, though you might need to actually hear it in clubs to get that - i haven't heard the guido tracks out yet, they're mostly "reflective late-night headphone music" for me right now, and they're ostensibly too delicate and slow to dance to, but i can imagine hearing that gorgeous melody and those strings breaking up a faster set and loving it. tim, what do you think of ikonika's 'please' and joker's 'gully brook lane'? those are probably the most obviously dancefloor-friendly of these tracks so far.

ugh we need to find something acceptable to call this sound, "wonky" was a fine adjective to describe the basic sound but has just taken on a horrifying life of its own as a fake genre name.

actually, these tracks can be impressively chameleonic - they lend themselves really well to breaking up loads of different types of set without being overly disruptive. at night slugs a couple of months ago, someone (dunno who) dropped 'gully brook lane' with the 'what's your fantasy?' vocal on top and it worked surprisingly well.

though obv i'm not denying that a huge part of their appeal is the late-night, bus ride home, headphones thing - didn't see anyone objecting too hard to burial for catering to that. i think the best of these producers have a real knack for aching, beautiful melodies.

by "the best of these producers" i definitely mean joker, ikonika, guido, 200f & j kamata rather than flying lotus or hudson mohawke who are both kinda dull.

monkstep

Ikonika i dunno - i just found 'Please' annoying but liked 'Millie' OK. don't seem to be any other tracks by him on youtube?

it's a her iirc

oh yeah

Joker's new 12" Do It/Psychedelic Runway continues his hot streak. His remix of Little Boots is pretty nice too, makes me think he should work with vocalists more

^^i'm only just waking up to this stuff and tbh haven't liked much of what i've heard so far but Do It is seriously sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs76sEWaHyY

i love this although it is weirdly a bit... diplo-y?

wanna hear that neil landstrum record blissblogger says is like zomby too...

yeah but i refuse to acknowledge that track as "wonky", it's just another post-dilla broken beat electro hip hop track in that "beat dimensions" style (all that stuff on rush hour / delsin like rednose distrikt, aardvarck, cinnaman & jay scarlett, etc)

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weren't he and Rustie the ones who started calling their stuff "wonky"?

think rustie calls it aquacrunk.

that new joker remix of adam freeland is the sickness...

Not going to bother reviving a grime thread for this, but why did they do this as an instrumental album? Oh Planet Mu.

http://www.planet-mu.com/discography/ZIQ249

All these genre names are piss-takes though aren't they? The new Unknown/Thriller 12" is pretty nice
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=193489

"Not going to bother reviving a grime thread for this, but why did they do this as an instrumental album? Oh Planet Mu."

This is such bullshit :-(

whats wrong with instrumental grime? its not like there arent old slimzee sets without MCs...

Maybe it was Danjah's idea? *shrug*

Saw Neil Landstrumm about six weeks ago, he played a really upfront ravey set - crowd was really young which was odd cos it was at a techno night where the average age is normally like 30 I think and I didn't realise that Landstrumm had made any mark with the kids

most aftershock vocals are sadly a bit shit though anyway (apart from the obv ones like cock back, get me etc).

Instrumental grime = boring. What's the point without the MCs?

not necessarily. that DOK album last year was sick

like, to the extent that i didn't want MCs to ruin it

Haha I had the exact opposite reaction.

depends who the mcs are. but instrumental grime IS better mixed than just listening to MC-less tracks on their own unless its say, terror or DOK or someone. but while were talking about that planet mu comp, im glad it doesnt have vocals. if it did i know the totally overrated boogeyman (riko/trim were good, but not wiley) vocal would have ended up on there.

this paul white album is like 3rd division wonky.

Instrumental Grime can/could be awesome provided you make up for lack of MC with lots of extra sonic depth, detail, hooks... like....DANCE MUSIC!

^^yes. which is why terror works. even if the details are pretty subtle and under the surface.

was unable to sit through the first commercial wonky mix all the way.

is that what it's being billed as?! i thought it was too all over the place to really be defined as "wonky"

yeah thats not really wonky. its undie instrumental hip hop and bits of wonky.

i cant really sit through the whole terror d album. great beats but they dont really work as an album.

that planet shock track is quite bad tho.

i dunno where to put it - its more new wave 2step then dubstep or wonky but this sully guy is pretty brilliant. much better than brackles and a lot of these other nu-2step producers. he gets it rhythmically.

i think i like this joy orbison track now, even tho i wish the synths were a bit dirtier.

Sully is amazing.

joy orbison

oh ffs

I keep thinking it's some indie band every time I see the name

shit name, good track.

he explains in some interview i read that it was a forum nickname. O_o

does sully have a myspace??

he does if you google.

i like that joy o track more and more but between him and guys like untold theres just something a bit lacking in what they do. the beats can be too 'neat'?

god too much of this is just reheated downtempo/trip hop x burial isnt it? i dont get the hype, a few 12s here and there aside.

not that there actually is that much hype at the mo anyway lol

Joy Orbison is almost as bad a name as Hudson Mohawke.

Sounds like a cross between J-Dilla and Dabrye to me. Really liking some of it. The 'Let's Post Funk' single by Debruit is great.

feeling: Rustie, some Hudson Mohawke (his track on the new Mary Anne Hobbs comp is fucking stellar, the album, not so much), Joy Orbison (Hyph Mngo is fucking fantastic), some Joker (his Freeland remix is wicked)...

Hudson Mohawke's Butter has officially leaked. On first listen, it's not worthy of its own thread.

Opinions, anyone?

Joy Orbison (Hyph Mngo is fucking fantastic)

Wet Look is also good, but makes me think of Dave Angel more than anything

xpost the Hudson Mohawke EP is one of my favorite releases from this year, but on first listen the album sounds really, really disappointing

the track with the hyphy artist is pretty poor.

Don't get why Joy Orbison is being linked with Wonky to be honest. More like some kind of dubstep/funky crossover with massive early DnB influences.

aka 2-Step?

hudson mohawke album not so good? are you sure?

after a few more listens i warmed up to it somewhat, but i still don't think it holds a candle to his Polyfolk Dance EP or his demo Hudson's Heeters Vol. 1

the worst part of Butter are the tracks with that unlistenable Prince-ape; and people complain about Basement Jaxx's vocalists...

all the vocalists on this are pretty crap-to-awful. the album has a few good tracks where he kinda settles into a groove, but for the most part its just a bit irritating and jabbing. maybe thats just a prob with wonky as a whole, im not sure, but it does get trying over the course of an album. and oh god@that artwork.

zooom is the best.

i think it's quite dope

no really, this is quite dope

no one gives a fuck about FALTY DL eh?

I wasn't too pushed about Love Is A Liability but i'm really digging the Bravery EP. Sounds a bit warmer or something?

i duno why simon reynolds insists that its terror danjah whos had a big influence on joker and the purple guys, i dont really hear it. their stuff is more about big synth melodies whereas terror was about finessed ultra minimal short and sweet synth melodies.

I don't have a lot to say about FaltyDL right now but I like 'Love...' quite a bit... it's not at all dilettantish about what it does with garage which is to its favour

is ital-tek wonky? loving this new 12", especially "ghost cloud"

id say this is pretty spot on as far as the nu idm stuff -
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2009/10/thing-that-struck-me-about-this-im-all_23.html#links

are there any shows ppl listen to to keep up to date with wonky? im out of touch again.

http://twitter.com/kodenine/status/5144214633

rofl

bitchy bitchy

And to think he still look like that kid from the Inbetweeners through it all.

still reppin for

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nR3syvnOOT0/SrXG-GAOmHI/AAAAAAAAAAs/LSzljv5IrlA/s320/hudson-mohawke-butter.jpg

Is that available as a large sew-on patch for my denim jacket?

if only

is that actually a knob of butter to the left of the H?

yes

I'm pretty sure there's a deluxe version that comes packaged in a tub of butter.

As for radio shows, Mary Anne Hobbs plays a lot of this stuff if you can get past her breathy delivery.

if every track on mohawke was like "rising 5" i'd rep it.

most of them do sound like "rising 5", don't they?

i don't think so :(

really dont know what to say about that cover.

im sure i saw a promo with a better one.

'Johnny 5' by Gemmy is terrific.

enjoying the HudMo Essential Mix - features Princess "Say I'm Your Number One" and Hell Interface "Midas Touch" + "Dat Girl Right There" and many rap acapellas amongst other things

Hell Interface "Midas Touch"

must hear this mix. midas touch is one of my favorite tracks ever.

hell interface = boards of canada, btw...

also played the FlyLo mix of Weezy 'I Feel Like Dying' which is immense

Hell Interface "Midas Touch"

must hear this mix. midas touch is one of my favorite tracks ever.

― la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:33 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's an absolutely awesome remix

rustie vs joker who is better

Knee jerk reaction sez Joker is/was better, but I'll admit to being slightly prejudiced against Rustie cuz of the pretty lame Jagz The Smack EP and he might have gotten better since (also he looks. But Joker also seems like one of those dudes who might end up taking the "people say I'm a genius thing" too seriously and end up making a wonky Saturnzreturn or something.

(also he looks like a doofus) was the sentence I forgot to finish.

hear that but i don't think joker's done anything as epic as "zig zag"

Zig Zag is epic. Rustie has a tune Cosmic Foam which is pretty damn nuts in a new funk way. Did that get a release somewhere?

I'm glad someone else agrees that Rustie looks like a doofus. He also looks to be about 15 years old (how old is he anyways)

oh, his music? never much likeed him or joker actually.

I'm no authority but I must say I am very much into Silkie right now. I bought City Limits Vol 1 3XLP (although I've been somewhat cuckolded by the lack of 4 tracks that appear on the cd :( )

you heard zig zag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epmUGyBUf8&feature=related

joker, easily

rustie's great too though - love his remix of the new crookers/kelis tune

joker all day for me. he really IS a genius :)

i like some of rusties stuff a lot (the jagz ep esp) and some later releases but hes not been nearly consistent enough for me.

silkies more proper dubstep imo isnt he? never really got into him that much tbh - seemed too softcore for my liking.

so hudson mohawke is "wonky"? i got the record on the strength of "fuse", but it's like 70% bullshit with a few really strong, exciting tracks.

70% bs? I'd put it the other way around ... especially hate the vocal tracks but I think a lot of it is really good. Fuse is easily the bomb track though.

2000F and J Kamata need to hook up more often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOe1ksjYm0

Does the Turboweekend singer always have that Paul Buchanan plus falsetto?

Really diggin Rustie - Glass Swords and Zomby - Dedication, both snatched from Glowing Raw's best of 2011 compendium. Noteworthy quote from the wonky Wiki page "In 2002, American producer Rodney Jerkins preceded wonky with the R&B song “What About Us”
, written for American singer-songwriter Brandy." I am about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M1UOg0Vvyvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1UOg0Vvyvk

wonky