Cosey Fanni Tutti: Classic or Dud?

She and Chris seeems like nice enough people who allways reply to emails, but I never had the chance of meeting them.

Cosey is not a dud she is a classic, TG invented Industrial music which has now moved into trance/techno.

I hope this has helped?

Thanks IAN.

lol we don't even have a christ & cosey thread? fuck ILM

ha, I said "christ"

anyway thx to Matmos for recommending heartbeat on emusic, I would've had no idea where to start otherwise. color me dumb for associating all throbbing gristle side/solo work with the annoying sound of orridge shouting incomprehensibly into a long delay

http://www.chicagoreader.com/hitsville/hp030613.jpg

Chris and Cosey, CTI, Chris Carter solo, there's tons of great stuff in there. Just remember Chris was responsible for all the pretty arpeggiating synth stuff on the TG albums...Hot on the Heels of Love is essentially proto-Chris and Cosey.

i will never forget the day i found "techno primitiv" in a brooklyn stoop sale for $1, not their best album but still fantastic

chris and cosey rock!

Echoing the Chris/Cosey love, though their work is definitely the least I know out of all the non-TG TG work. Not entirely sure about the dawn of the nineties stuff but I seem to remember some good tracks.

almost all awesome.

There is a TG spinoff S/D thread but almost nothing about C&C.

Heartbeat: rough, raw, a little undeveloped, but more aggressive than almost anything else by them.

Trance: fully blown classic, lots of cornet, great sounding record with more atmosphere than tunes.

Songs Of Love And Lust: initial pop sounds surface, some great songs on here. The one I know least well of the early ones.

European Rendezvous: essential live document (as CTI) of tour with Glenn Wallis (Konstruktivits), truncated for release on Collectiv 2 CD.

Elemental 7: another great live CTI LP, more atmosphere and spaciness whereas Rendezvous has the tunes. Also truncated for release on Collectiv 2.

Collectiv 1: CD compilation of two great singles as CTI ("Hammer House" is my favorite C&C track), along with Carter's first solo LP which is just OK.

Techno Primitiv: The most pop yet, another great one.

Take Five/Exotica/Rise: Nettwerk-era slump, but still worthwhile.

Core: neato collaborative LP with Coil, Robert Wyatt, others.

then I lost track until the Union CD, a really good live disc from 2000 or so. Really really want to hear the Carter Tutti CDs, I suspect they will be among my favorite releases from the past few years.

Also, I saw them at the Metro in Chicago once and they blew SPK off the stage.

maybe I should have put that on ILM.

and I need a thesaurus.

I came across this site when searching for TG material. My opinion on Cosey is she influenced a lot of of Musicians and Artists "me for one" The style of clothing she wore in 1976 would come back in the early 80s with the Goth scene "you will see what I mean if you look at the inner sleeve of 2nd annual report"
She and Chris seeems like nice enough people who allways reply to emails, but I never had the chance of meeting them.

Cosey is not a dud she is a classic, TG invented Industrial music which has now moved into trance/techno.

I hope this has helped?

Thanks IAN.

anyway. can't believe there isn't a chris & cosey thread on here. the more i think about it, the more i realise they were probably the best post-tg spinoff, at least during the 80s. first three albums are beyond classic, and what i've heard of the wax trax stuff sounds great. songs of love and lust bridges the gap between 70s german synth minimalism and 80s techno-pop better than anything else i've heard from that era, in fact i can't think of any synth-pop groups around that time that were really rocking arpeggiators outside of italo. but yeah, just perfect synth programming and sound design, and cosey's voice is amazing.

how are the two chris carter solo albums? the one on industrial and the later one... mondo beat? i remember hearing a track from mondo beat on a beats in space mix and it sounding fantastic

can a mod move this to ilm please?

I was the DJ on Beats in Space who played that.The first one, The Space Between, is awesome. I don't have the second, just that track on mp3.

The Space Between is a classic, mondo beat is pretty good, actually, all the Rough Trade releases are classic.

Chris and Cosey are two of the nicest down to earth peeps in the independent music scene.... had the opportunity to meet them some years ago, and spent the afternoon at their house/studio...

Haven't heard much of their recent stuff though..

Chris and Cosey are two of the nicest down to earth peeps in the independent music scene.

will second that. i released a c&c record many moons ago and they were a total joy to work with. i even made it onto their christmas card list for a few years!

which record was that?

"twist"

http://www.discogs.com/Chris-Cosey-Twist/release/67603

I had that one... Didn't you used to run Pi recordings as well?

i did. the last release was around 1997.

aha... i used to get promos and stuff from jillmingo as she was doing cnc's press at the time... wonder what happened to her...

...funnily enough i now run another record label with her.

http://www.optimo.co.uk/music/

I like the Christ & Cosey idea.

how is this not a picture thread?

NSFW

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/cfant.jpg

but mostly, yeah

C&C remix of 3xc3pt3r on the way...

np "AB/7A". chris carter is the fucking man

Someone please send a link to some of her porns?

You sure this isn't a thread about the album where Squeeze tried to sound like Paul Young for one album? :)

I've always thought October Love Song was fantastic. I'm puzzled as to why I'm not more familiar with the rest of their career by now. It seems like they kindof get overlooked in post-punk circles.

Dirty Cosey pics.

http://sickness-abounds.blogspot.com/2008/09/carter-tutti-you-are-hear-live-11104.html

"I've always thought October Love Song was fantastic. I'm puzzled as to why I'm not more familiar with the rest of their career by now. It seems like they kindof get overlooked in post-punk circles.

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, March 6, 2009 7:13 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark"

maybe because they have nothing to do with "post-punk"

depends how you're willing to define post-punk, but no, I don't think they're generally overlooked.

Andrew Weatherall included them on 9 O'clock Drop, a comp that was pretty influential in the more recent "post-punk" revival, and they generally rate very high in techno, electro and industrial circles.

C&C remix of 3xc3pt3r on the way...

― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, February 27, 2009 7:28 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

just read that it's a remix of "shots ring", my favourite song from debt dept. definitely excited to hear this. when is it coming out?

coming out on RVNG (see last para). with jim thirwell remix too!

From the "Bimble Rules" thread:

his indifference towards chris & cosey is frankly unforgivable, but otherwise he seems like a dude with excellent taste

― rio (r1o natsume), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:43 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I'll have you know I was perturbed by this and I'm trying to make up for it now. I've got Heartbeat & Trance downloaded and am listening now. Thank you.

oh god i love these folks... need to find a copy of technoprimitiv once i have $$ again.

chris carter - the space between is so fucking good. someone needs to reissue this album on vinyl so i can play "solidit" out.

there's something so joyous and playful about chris carter's production that wasn't really present in throbbing gristle ("AB/7A" and "walkabout" notwithstanding) and is only barely present in chris and cosey. even the darker more aggressive tracks have this kind of wide-eyed energy.

i think chris carter is one of my all time favourite electronic music producers. he is a god.

chris carter - the space between is so fucking good. someone needs to reissue this album on vinyl so i can play "solidit" out.

funnily enough, i have been thinking the same thing recently. maybe i'll look into it.

i think chris carter is one of my all time favourite electronic music producers. he is a god.

absolutely, 100% agree with this statement. definitely, a god.

was "electrodub 2" one of the first official 808 jams? i read somewhere he was one of the first in britain to use one

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/may97/rolandtr808.html

^^^essential reading

i guess "electrodub 2" isn't an 808 since the space between came out in 1980. doesn't sound like the tr-77 (i think?) from the rest of the album

ok so chris carter must've been using a cr-78. i'll shut up now.

"poptone" is also very big

i always say that "dancing ghosts" was the first acid track as it MUST be the first track to use an 808 and a 303. all the way back in '82.

Chris Carter's Flickr stream is fun: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_carter_/

lol Chris uses a DS with the Korg DS10! he really is a god!

i always say that "dancing ghosts" was the first acid track as it MUST be the first track to use an 808 and a 303. all the way back in '82.

― stirmonster, Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:13 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i haven't heard any cti but it sounds like i need that lp.

is the album with coil, monte cazazza, lusmord et al any good?

The DS-10 is AWESOME.

thank you SO much for the heads up on that cti track. this shit needs to be reissued on vinyl IMMEDIATELY

hey stirmonster, apologies if this is an inappropriate question, but about the version of "dancing ghosts" on this record:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Out-There-A-Thread-Through-Time/release/23149

is it unedited?

not inappropriate at all. it is unedited. it's exactly the same as the elemental 7 version except that chris carter remastered it.

ah cheers! will save a fair bit of money on the elemental 7 record - the rest of the comp looks great as well

chris carter reissues look like they are go. will hopefully be out before the end of the year.

:o
that include The Space Between?

If I love love love AB/7A, what's the next Chris Carter track/LP I should check out?

The Space Between!

that include The Space Between?

the plan is to release a 4 track 10" of tracks from the space between. if that sells enough to break even there might be a second volume. there will also (hopefully) be a 12" of moonlight from mondo beat with a remix on the other side and a 10" of tg's AB/7A with a remix on the other side.

this is great news.

i saw theo parrish on saturday and he played "gardens of the pure" by c&c!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkCnljxDRI

Wow that's exactly what I need. Thanks!

thats a slightly modified version of the original cover to the CD I have, which I used to stare out for hours in high school trying to figure out exactly what was going on.

any more news on the reissues stirmonster?

if you fully open the youtube link, you get the info -

From the Optimo Music 12" - Chris Carter - The Spaces Between (OM 008), a 6 track EP of tracks from Chris Carter. 5 of the tracks originally appeared on "The Space Between" cassette, released on industrial Records in 1980 and were subsequently reissued on CD in 1991. This will be the first time they have appeared on vinyl. There is a bonus sixth track, "Climbing" that only previously appeared on the 1981 "Stabmental" tape compilation compiled by Geoff Rushton, later of Coil. All tracks were remastered by Chris Carter in 2009. Scheduled for release on Optimo Music late 2009 / early 2010.

nice

awesome.

hey is there a release date set for this yet?

according to chris carter's twitter chris n cosey are remixing plastikman!

they also have a track on the liars' remix album

I'm glad this thread got a bump because it's reminded me to get The Space Between. NEED.

chris carter mix

http://www.vesselmusic.com/guest_mixes/view/chriscarterccandtg/

weird. if you click that link, you get a 'not found' page, but you can get there from the front page.

*downloads furiously*

waiting impatiently for the "space between" vinyl re-issue...

Do you have anything to do with this one Stirmonster? or is this separate from the 6 track ep thing you were talking about a while back?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLQ4FRsepg

waiting impatiently for the "space between" vinyl re-issue...

it's coming! it got delayed while i sorted out new distribution which is now all sorted. it'll be the first release i do via kompakt. it has been expanded to 8 tracks from tape.

in the meantime, c&c are putting out their back catalogue on vinyl again very shortly.

:D :D :D

Her and Carol Vorderman: Seperated at Birth!

there's a streaming link to that chris carter mix that might work better

http://saturnneversleeps.com/2010/04/02/chris-carter-guest-mix-on-vessel/

<3

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/148574/Chris++Cosey.jpg

The two silhouettes are Jedward (or at least they will be in my nightmares)

i thought it was the two dudes from the yeah yeah yeahs, but that doesn't make any sense. does it?

Isn't it the Eurythmics?

somebody photoshop in Arshavin

ya, dan, you're right. this song is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-7-02fQUM

i'm jammin a full discog C&C megamix today

yo jaxon, ever heard this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8is1XSTSc

i'd read about that song being the first to combine a 303 and 808, but actually, a friend just sent me this. indian track from 82 using the same combo. mind blown
http://www.bombay-connection.com/en_GB/site/page/1/releases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqnPYwoiF4

I don't quite buy it!

i didn't either but i do now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house

Crazy. I felt the same way about Black Devil Disco Club!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/348053139_9967dd5587.jpg

And I'm usually terrible at picking out synth sounds, but the notes at the beginning are totally Jupiter/Juno.

The Byrds beat him by 15 or so years though. Moog Raga is dying for a remix.

doesn't gen pee-orridge also claim to have invented it

xpost love that track, i need that Singh album

no, Gen claims to have put the acid in UK Acid House with this single and the Jack the TAB compilation in 1988

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUB_NDKx6o

i hope they get around to reissuing that cti album. it's very good

i'd read about that song being the first to combine a 303 and 808, but actually, a friend just sent me this. indian track from 82 using the same combo. mind blown

actually the year in the "dancing ghosts" youtube is referring to the lp release of elemental 7. iirc the song was first released on video in 1982, placing it as early as the raga bhairav. i'm sure stirmonster can clear this up

yeah both of those live LPs (Elemental 7 and European Rendezous) need to be reissued in their full length original form. two of my favorites.

Elenental 7 is from '83, I think that's when the original gigs were also.

marcel dettmann has included a cti track from the elemental 7 album on his new fact podcast

so fucking cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQWB7keJFdM

I asked Chris Carter if he remembered what he used on this track. The following is what he had to say: "I'm a little fuzzy on specifics for individual tracks from this album as it was recorded over a four year period (1974 - 78) but as far as I can remember 'Interloop' was recorded on a Tascam 4 track - probably a A3340S. I think the synths used were a Roland SH-1 for the sequence and an Roland SH-5 for the synth lead line. A Roland System-100 104 Sequencer was driving the SH-1. I am pretty sure the delay effects were from a Roland RE501 and probably a couple of Boss pedals - a phaser and a chorus most likely - all Roland basically."

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/08/chris-carter-interloop.html

A1. Beat
A2. Outreach
A3. Clouds
A4. Electrodub
B1. Interloop
B2. Solidit
B3. Climbing

Optimo Music will release The Spaces Between in September 2010.

Were the other tracks cut to fit vinyl or were they not on the original vinyl?

there wasn't an original vinyl - this is the first time they have been on vinyl. there's also a possibility there will be a volume 2 for the tracks that didn't make it on the mini lp.

sorry, I meant cassette. Looking forward to it. I had the CD from when I'd buy anything that said "the grey area of mute" on it.

ah, ok. yup. i picked my faves to go on the vinyl and wanted a loud cut so only put a few on (plus a bonus track that was only ever on a comp. cassette). pre-sale on this is really good so hopefully i'll be able to put the other tracks out on another volume too.

that's good news about vol 2! "maybe" and "poptone" are two of my favourites

is "climbing" the tune from that jhonn balance tape? look forward to hearing that. amazing work, man!

yes, it is. it's incredible (particularly following chris's fabulous remastering job).

so looking forward to this..... will be grebt to have these on vinyl finally!

from http://c-h-r-i-s-c-a-r-t-e-r.blogspot.com/2010/08/change-of-direction-some-remastering.html

Remastering:

I am about to start remastering our early Chris & Cosey catalogue for vinyl. This is quite an undertaking as I'm not only tweaking the audio - from the original master tapes - but I'm also reconstructing the cover artworks from what remaining negatives, print films and parts that still exist or aren't lost. Which to be honest there isn't that much of around anymore - which alone should make it an interesting project. All being well we are hoping to get these re-releases out before the years end...
watch this space.

that's great news, I would buy a remastered version of Trance for sure.

Picked up Spaces Between on a visit to London last week - the last copy in Sister Ray - I think they said they got 7 copies originally..

the vinyl sounds incredible - the bass is insane! Chris did an amazing job with the remastering..

Any chance of more spaces between coming any time Keith?

it sounds incredible. such a great job all round

"climbing" isn't what i expected at all. the beat is completely insane, like proto-dubstep or something. really cool

Any chance of more spaces between coming any time Keith?

i wish i had been able to do a double to begin with but it just wasn't an option. there is a possibility if this does well (pre sale has been v. good) that there will be a second volume.

http://new.assets.thequietus.com/images/articles/5428/c7c_copy_1291920453_crop_502x650.jpg

pissed i didn't get tickets for this now!

was SO good.

Back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvj6Y5UjQVg

already pre-ordered ;)

C&C chatting and playing TG rarities on WFMU in 18 minutes:

http://wfmu.org/playlists/AE

cool, thanks

tuned in!

Listened for a while, then the stream died.

I listened, and I'm going to the Chicago gig

stoked

jealous!

I saw them at the Metro in 1987 and they were really great

Still bummed I didn't get to see them, but they've been recording these new/live versions so there's something to look forward to:Chris Carter and Cosey Fanny Tutti will release Carter Tutti Plays Chris & Cosey on February 17th, 2015

I've been (skim) reading her autobiography/memoir, which I don't think is even out yet. It's fascinating up until when TG reform, then it's just a bunch of boring old rock musicians bitching and kvetching about boring old rock subjects like management, money, recording etc. Gen is the absolute villain of the book, a terrible man, terrible man - that's according, not only to Cosey, though she has most cause, but Chris, Sleazy and most people who crossed his path - if the book is to believed, that is.

So, is that them on the cover of the UFO album, "Force it" or wot?

have an irrational dislike of chris/cosey ever since they beefed with thighps <3

Hadn't heard about that, what was the beef about?

Answering my own question:

https://twitter.com/coseyfannitutti/status/607629459785674752

Although if what she said was true (and I have no reason to doubt her) surely it's Thighpaulsandra you should be disliking?

in matters such as this i basically think 'ok, who was closer to the artist in question', and trust them

also thighpaulsandra is 10x the musician of any of the surviving hidden reverse crew

Was tickled by the fact that Cosey fancied Gen because he looked like the lead singer of Quintessence. Not that she fancied him that much, certainly not with the intensity induced by the pert buttocks of Chris Carter.

And then there's Chris and Cosey's friendship with Frank Warren. You couldn't make it up.

I think you'll find Chris and Cosey were members of TG, and as such had more of a right to TG archives than Thighpaulsandra ever did. Plus, has he denied selling stuff? If not, then it's a question of fact, not one of trust.

Plus, the idea that Thighpaulsandra is 10x Chris & Cosey as musicians is wtf.

Trust the judgement, I mean

While they were ex-members, wasn't there a huge falling-out?

You mean because Gen was allowing all and sundry to put out TG product without the permission of the rest of the band, and from which they received no financial gain?

I know what you meant but it's a stretch to say that Thighpaulsandra's judgement on what to do with TG archival material should be trusted merely because he was closer to Sleazy than C&C were at the time (if indeed that is the case)

xp

Reading interviews with TPS I'd say it's very likely that he and Sleazy were close right up until his death, but there's also talk of unpaid debts that he's now evening-out. I don't know. It's all a sordid business when money and legacy gets involved. I do think it's possible to over-venerate the objects of artistic creation.

I've got the book preordered but it's not out for a couple weeks here, I think.

Seeing C&C perform a few years back was a great experience, and I hope I get the experience to see them with Nik Void at some point. Probably something I should prioritize, if the opportunity arises.

I came to the realization after reading a few interviews that Chris & Cosey are nearly exactly my parents' ages, which is a bit of a weird perspective

C & C never fell out with Sleazy and were in contact with him hours before he died - he'd emailed them to rant and rave about Gen's latest shenanigans.

exactly

imago, selling Coil's master tapes to the highest bidder on eBay for personal gain is total bullshit, full stop, take off yr fucking rose colored prog-snob glasses

"better musician", fuck off with that

what C&C should I listen to to challenge that notion?

any of it

Had the Coil tapes not been 'baked' and transferred (and thus not actually useable as media any more)? IRDK but that was my understanding. Maybe people were still upset.

Imago - try Re-Education Through Labour, Driving Blind & CC's The Space Between album.

Stick to what you know

Let's get back to the important stuff,

"I had begun to fall for Gen. My attraction was partly influenced by my crush on Phil 'Shiva' Jones, of the band Quintessence. Gen had a similar pretty 'Indian Prince' look."

Can't way to see the cast for this:

https://www.screendaily.com/news/andrew-hulme-to-direct-art-sex-music-about-uk-performance-artist-cosey-fanni-tutti-exclusive/5146685.article

Purely based on looks, Lesley Sharp could play CFT.

will watch

Big Cosey fan but found her book surprisingly dull. The last third - the tedious TG reunion stuff - in particular is a major slog

MY NEW BOOK!!! Was out in the garden when this proof was delivered. WOW! 2 years of writing. ⁦available August. @FaberBooks⁩ ⁦@hannahknowl3s⁩ ⁦@alexavh⁩ #deliaderbyshire #margerykempe pic.twitter.com/BnK079iaD4

— Cosey Fanni Tutti (@coseyfannitutti) April 14, 2022

cool, I'm listening to Carter Tutti right now

i was just listening to C&C's Heartbeat

looking forward to this. i'm hopefully going to do a Q&A with Cosey when it comes out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua2J2cengE0

thank you so much, I saw this tour!

Wooo-ha! Thanks for the link!

Thanks! I'm still sad that there was no demand to see them play in the UK in this era and they only ever played North America or mainland Europe.

It felt like every second gig i went to back then there was some "shock / gore" footage being shown but i'm still a little surprised they were rocking the texas chainsaw massacre footage.

i'd love to know what was in CC's flightcase.

Thought the revive would have been about Cosey's new book:

https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571362189-re-sisters/

Cosey's new book is most excellent.

wow this is great

https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/broken-allures

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/may/29/throbbing-gristle-cosey-fanni-tutti-on-radical-art-gardening-and-kneecap-power-and-strength

I really enjoyed reading Art Sex Music recently

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5PVcqlOLXWAMovJa5auQEs?si=WI3d9De1Roa7i4jw_LBjpg

Was a podcast interview with her that turned up on Spotify today.

Need to get to Re Sisters. Art Sex Magic was a great read.

oh wait I'm sorry I meant Re-Sisters! the new one.

I always forget they live in Norfolk, as do I, wonder if they're close by

i found Art Sex Magic a bit tiresome after a while. it felt like it kept telling the same tale about halfway through of making music/art with Chris and then dealing with Genesis's bullshit.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:rlu4lnfyfwgw3haqqqllmrqo/bafkreicfrovflctnniu6t5ywz2lvu7x2b2bu3ty7mq7o5wqy4qdayomxqm@jpeg

https://observer.co.uk/culture/interviews/article/cosey-fanni-tutti-reveals-all

Finally got around to listening to 2t2 and it's excellent. I'm surprised that all of the book success isn't translating to more hype for the music.

I gotta check that out, if it was on Bandcamp I would have already but they insist on their own site.