Deftones: Underrated?

I've spent the last few hours scouring the net for reviews of Deftones albums, only to find that most reviewers don't seem to take the time to really listen to the albums in their own right, ignoring the deliberate and painstakingly crafted sound scape, only to lump them in with "nu-metal" (a label they spit out with heavy disdain) Is there more to Deftones than simply who they hung out with when they first started? Are they a band that will be name checked by future innovaters? Can we blame them for emo? Should they go on if bass player Chi, in a coma since an auto accident in early November, never recovers? Am I the only one who even cares?

Deftones are pretty good, man...Spin did make the switch around 2001 from characterizing them as nu-metal loseurs to calling them the Smashing Pumpkins of the genre...theyre not the best but they have some undeniably good songs...

I like them a lot and White Pony has to be one of the best rock albums of the decade.

there we have it.

yes, i would say they are probably the most underrated band of the last 10 years or so.

They do have a really great drummer.

I feel this. I put on White Pony once a year or something just for nostalgia and end up getting really excited

saturday nite wrist is pretty good i listened to that a couple weeks ago

I started this thread because I wanted to hear other peoples opinions about our boys and I couldn't really find that many reviews online. I myself have been an obsessive fan for a good ten years and wonder how anyone could not think they're amazing. Each album progresses from the previous in a way that's an unexpected direction, but one that totally makes sense Their production is thick and awesome. What's not to like?

thick production

Street Carp is one of my 100 favourite songs ever

I literally can't listen to anything they've ever done except White Pony which is easily top 50 records of the decade.

i guess i could literally listen, but i don't want to

also, that really sux about Chi Cheng...I hope he's okay.

white pony is great

^^^^yup, great record

indeed.

I don't think Whiney should pass up on Saturday Night Wrist if he digs White Pony so much.

I haven't knowingly heard anything this band has done, but I like to mispronounce their name as "Deft Ones."

yeah sat nite wrist is really good

^

i always wrote this band off as lame and couldn't tell the difference b/w them and Korn without ever actually paying real attention to them. ILX was actually the first place I read that they might have more merit, and that was mainly from UK people, where I think their critical reputation is higher than in the US. sadly I tend to associate popularity in this musical format as hand-in-hand with suckitude. I was wrong, White Pony is pretty great.

wrist is hella patchy. the s/t is underrated.

pink maggit came up on shuffle today. holy balls what a track.

what are other albums tht sound like this?

I always thought the Deftones were an indie rock band, possibly new wave-ish (which is to say that I guess I don't really have a clue what they sound like, but that's what their name looks like).

they were basically like the radiohead of nu metal i guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4MGwlZuAc

I love this song to pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuNZGijfaZA

I have fond memories of 'shove it'

has anyone heard their latest, diamond eyes? i'm tempted to check it out, but i wanted to see if anyone else had first.

Yeah, it's really good. I like it better than either of the two before it.

Yeah, after loving the first three, I was really let down by the last two. This one goes a long way toward winning me back.

Found the Team Sleep album at the Dollar Tree for - yep, you guessed it - a buck.

Diamond is fantastic; on my favs of the year so far. Basically splits the difference between S/T and Saturday Night Wrist.

*one of my.., that is

I'm not a huge fan of "overrated/underrated" discussions tbh but I think Deftones are simultaneously over and underrated, just by different populations.

My metalhead breathren were wont to dismiss them as Korn clones, which even when they did play a similar style, they definitely had their own personality. And less likely to check out albums like the s/t or White Pony.

However, being someone who liked both those albums, I can say that it never really went beyond a strong "like", not a "love". I think they do what they do well, but I've never heard anything of theirs that captivated me or took me to the next level.

So I guess I'm saying they're rated about right in my eyes.

I don't really think they sound that much like Korn...more like Pantera w/ Cure influences

Not that familiar with their stuff but I really enjoy the covers on their rarities comp

yeah i can't stop listening to this new album. not sure if i love it, but theres clearly something i like about it.

so, has anyone else heard the new one?

Heard 'Back to Skooooohoool' (sic) tonight. Fuck, if that isn't the worst song of all time then christ knows what could be.

yeah but Street Carp is probably one of the best songs ever written...

Am I the only one with a soft spot for "Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)"?

"Change (In the House of Flies)" is my favourite song from White Pony.

"back to school" is indeed bad but it was an alternate version of one of their songs which was tacked onto a "re-release" of White Pony:

"Back to School (Mini Maggit)" was released as both a single and as an EP package; the single was released shortly before the EP.

Vocalist Chino Moreno: "This album right here [the White Pony re-release] is not the album that we turned into the label. As far as we're concerned, the first edition was the record. Done. Then they talked us into re-releasing it with another song on it, and it's not like I'm against the song or whatever, but I liked the sequence we had when we first turned it in. When this version came out, a little part inside all of us felt like: 'Fuck! We just totally compromised.' And I know that a lot of our fans felt bad about it too."[1]

Am I the only one with a soft spot for "Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)"

no way. that song is great!

that's a good one but I like My Own Summer (Shove It) a little more

i played guitar in a band in high school that covered deftones, metallica, etc... we played at our senior class party thing and opened with my own summer. i broke my low e string almost immediately :(

i've heard the new album once, not enough of an opinion to cast judgment on it yet

regarding "white pony." if i've ever needed an album to remind me of where i was musically/emotionally that year as an upstate high-schooler involved only with what was heard on FM radio, that album is it

"back to school" is indeed bad but it was an alternate version of one of their songs which was tacked onto a "re-release" of White Pony:

"Back to School (Mini Maggit)" was released as both a single and as an EP package; the single was released shortly before the EP.

Vocalist Chino Moreno: "This album right here [the White Pony re-release] is not the album that we turned into the label. As far as we're concerned, the first edition was the record. Done. Then they talked us into re-releasing it with another song on it, and it's not like I'm against the song or whatever, but I liked the sequence we had when we first turned it in. When this version came out, a little part inside all of us felt like: 'Fuck! We just totally compromised.' And I know that a lot of our fans felt bad about it too."[1]

― (latebloomer) (latebloomer)

That's such a fucking lame excuse. If they were truly awesome they wouldn't mind whatever song the label picked as a single. Stop creating music that makes you feel ashamed.

Chino's pretty good at coming across as a doofus in interviews...I also wish he wouldn't scream "Squeal like a pig!" throughout their cover of "Say It Ain't So."

eh my point was that "back to school" is a dumb song to judge the band by

"Stop creating music that makes you feel ashamed."

have you ever made music? sometimes shit doesn't turn out as great as you hoped.

also it wasn't a song originally on the album, and the label tacked it on.

don't know why i'm all cap'n save-a-tone today

So the bonus tracks include a Drive Like Jehu cover and a Japan cover. That works.

man i should have thought about only writing super genius music, too late now

http://www.dischord.com/images.d/release/image/6623/063.jpg

ILM/music critics aren't the world, but certainly in those worlds the Deftones are far from underrated. in fact, they seem to be the only nu-metal band in those worlds that gets positive mentions at all (which is interesting in itself).

since no-one gives a shit about nu-metal anymore, though, i guess in that sense they are underrated.

actually, i see that their new record is selling pretty well so i guess they aren't "underrated" as far as the general public is concerned either.

That favorite albums list on the Quietus confirms that these guys, if anything, have impeccable taste.

^^^was just coming here to post the same thing!
http://thequietus.com/articles/05329-deftones-chino-interview-favourite-records?page=1

Yeah, great list. LOVE that he has that Hum record on there.

It's the main thing that's impressed me with meeting them all several times. A lot of bands pay lip service to having interesting taste in music but Deftones really know their shit. Chino and Frank (DJ) especially. They'll talk to you about Coldcut, Three Six Mafia, Slayer and Aphex Twin.

Super nice guys as well. Awful business with what happened to Chi. He is a gent, y'know.

Someone tell me about the Too $hort and Hum records, please- worth hearing?

Sure didn't expect to see that Spain record there but that was pretty inspired. Good stuff indeed and one exception aside (go away Interpol) I'd happily give an ear to it all. Even Tortwah just because it's not Millions.

The Spain record is great isn't it. Will have to seek a copy out, not heard it in years.

this year's deftones album is very good I gotta say

i dunno, i like them alright - but this new one seemed to drag on for what seemed like forever. there's few very solid tracks - but overall i wasn't blown away.

think the last few tracks are stronger than the first few tbh - the songs are pretty short, can get thru it easily

ya - when i say dragged on i just mean it seemed that way - alot of the tracks got really same-y sounding to me. i didn't mean anything was actually long.

think this album dips a bit in the 8/9 position but then rly picks up again for the last 4 - mebbe w/o those 2 songs it'd be more palatable and wd even seem more varied - no biggie tho afaic

Never occurred to me in all these years that Deftones can be broken into Deft ones.

lol

I made myself a Deftones comp once with that name. I thought it was pretty clever at the time.

the new album is reasonably good, but the band does come dangerously close to tossing in a couple of half-baked re-recordings of songs from previous albums.

two new songs are incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPO81Fz4s2g

and "tempest," here: http://www.spin.com/articles/deftones-tempest-listen

Like both tunes. Chino's wailing quality vs the chugging guitars on "Leathers" gives me some very vague, but present, Converge vibes.

LOL there is a song on the new record called "goon squad"

koi no yokan leaked. only on the first song but so far it's AWESOME

ahhhhh this record RULES

R.I.P. Chi Cheng

dang, rip

god bless you all

Rip

didn't even know about the accident or his condition. so sad.

Totally sad. He might have been my favorite. R.I.P.

The only things I know about Deftones are that lots of ilxors seem to think they're pretty good and that once I received this promo sticker in a bag with my purchase from a local record store.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NG-JTVYsL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

just from various band promos/interviews that I had read from a decade ago, Chi was kind of what I figured I would've been like had I joined one of the metal bands around here and they'd hit it big: quiet and affable, and just constantly having his nose in a book. I'd read somewhere that he'd been working on a novel...I have no idea if he'd ever finished it or if anything had come of it, but I always thought that was cool...

or, on second thought, maybe not what I thought I wouldve been like, but more what I would've wanted to have been like...I have been in a band before and even at the local level, the whole self-aggrandizing 'rock and roll dream' schtick gets really thick, so opting to be off in a corner reading in the face of all this seems like a very good look to me

xp to hows life: if you're interested in getting into the deft ones I would probably start out with White Pony, followed quickly by Around the Fur...White Pony is def loaded up with great moody goth pop, whereas Around the Fur, which is just before it, has more of a metal vibe. Lots of great tracks on their first one, Adrenaline too: Bored, Root, Engine No. 9. Lots of ppl rep for their last two, and they're dece, but Adrenaline/Around the Fur/White Pony are def canon.

Don't know much about the s/t or Saturday Night Wrist; I've heard lots of mixed reactions to Saturday Night Wrist. I should probably check it out

saturday night wrist is awesome, every song seems on the point of overflow

Only just saw the news. A damn shame.

I didn't really take to Saturday Night Wrist... my favourites are the first one and White Pony.

I quite like Saturday but tbh for me Deftones is one of these bands where having one of their album is enough.

they released a song from the shelved album eros today in honor of chi, it's really gorgeous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In-x77Tx8xk

nice, warner brothers, you are assholes

Shoulda been more Koi No Yokan talk in here, what a great record.

It is great, this is a good reminder to pull it out again.

akm - what's the story with Warner Bros? I thought the band themselves decided to shelve Eros, is it being held up by the label now or something?

in terms of its release, from what i know eros is an incomplete record that'll probably stay incomplete

anyway yeah koi no yokan is probably their best album

That's what I thought too Brad, wasn't sure what akm was saying.

warner bros took down the youtube of "smile" that the band uploaded themselves for some reason, idk

oh got it

I just had a geek moment and realized that the way the special red edition of White Pony displays the track times but not the titles on the cover is a nod to the packaging of Hum's Downward Is Heavenward.

Anyway I also think the s/t record is underrated, so many jams and probably their two best guitar-free tracks.

i still think "minerva" is their best single. an incredible summary of their aesthetic

Yesss. The production on that album and that song in particular is so ludicrously expansive (expensive).

every few months i'll put on koi no yokan and it's really one of the best records to come out in the last few years and i think i'm really almost 100 percent sure it's better than white pony

GORE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0WakBLNA0k

that is an excellent name for a Deftones album

also some lucky motherfuckers already have a promo stream:

http://i.imgur.com/wA7iQNR.png

damn u B?tter Anders

this is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmt6zN9vOk

"Prayers/Triangles" (3:37)
"Acid Hologram" (4:02)
"Doomed User" (5:33)
"Geometric Headdress" (3:54)
"Hearts/Wires" (6:09)
"Pittura Infamante" (3:01)
"Xenon" (3:11)
"(L)MIRL" (1:45)
"Gore" (4:28)
"Phantom Bride" (7:16)
"Rubicon" (8:07)

Turmoil in the band as guitarist Stephen Carpenter admits to not liking the direction new album Gore took. Good sign, I think, as he also hated White Pony. Although, I would like to eventually hear a Deftones record directed by Stephen.

that was the s/t iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ywGIfv4Mzo

liking this single but I admire fans who can tell most of their songs apart

http://blog.siriusxm.com/2016/03/16/deftones-world-premiere-of-new-song-doomed-user-on-octane/

this is shaping up to sound a lot like diamond eyes. weird

i really like it though

why is everyone too cool for deftones

I am emphatically not too cool for deftones

more like deaftones

can't believe divorcedalcoholicloser isn't on ilx any more

i have time for this band but the idea that the honourable gentleman divorcealcoholicloser flouts in the op, which ive heard repeated often, that they are lumped into nu-metal because of "who they hung out with when they first started" is just wrong: they have rap metal songs, there are a number of sonic similarities to other bad and hated nu-metal peers in their music, espesh in the first two albums, i saw them tour with linkin park and taproot 13 years after they formed the band. just embrace the fact that you like a nu-metal band ffs.

saying "they have rap metal songs" is p misleading though, they've recorded precisely zero of those in the last 15 years

doesn't mean it didn't happen

perfectly fine with considering them the best possible nu-metal band

their music is still wayyy groove-oriented

is REM rap rock because they did a song with KRS One

or sonic youth bc kool thing

well, and i love you mary jane

every band on judgment night soundtrack! oh and plus aerosmith

yes yes yes

jim in glasgow what if someone called you nu metal. pls think about that

the first show i went to was korn supported by helmet and limp bizkit.

i am nu-metal

those are some "deft tones" that these guys are playing!

most deft

A few more Gore songs are kicking around. This is sounding pleasantly all over the place.

And "Phantom Bride" contains something truly shocking.

a vinyl rip is out there

if that's your kind of thing

pretty sure if you had played me the intro to "geometric headdress" and told me it was gorguts i'd be like "hm yeah checks out"

I would love for them to do one of those Rank Your Records columns but I worry they'd break up

In other news even in shitty-rip form this sounds really really good

I WANT MORE LEFT TURNS

idk this kinda feels like it's full of left turns. almost every track is differently surprising

i spend most of my life listening to deftones albums tho

only listened to it once, but structurally sounds pretty plain..verse, chorus, bridge, etc.

a lot of deftones songs obey that. but idk "xenon" is like all chorus

god "phantom bride" is so good

the entire closing suite of "gore"/"phantom bride"/"rubicon" rivals "passenger"/"change"/"pink maggit" imo

yeah "Rubicon" is a great closer. Looking forward to a proper version of this.

"There's a new strange godless demon awake inside me" should be the name of the next Brand New album.

This thread is the kind of thing I love ILM for -- I remember back in their heyday secretly thinking Deftones sounded pretty tight, but was way too embarrassed to give them more of a chance, let alone admit I thought they were any good.

you will be a man more alive for having given The deft ones a chance

Didn't realize there was anyone left still embarrassed to like them!

deftony toni tone

Didn't realize there was anyone left still embarrassed to like them!

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:56 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was 16 at the time

I've been repping System of a Down for years and they're way more embarrassing. I've even stumped for "Down" by 311.

chino pls don't repeat lyrics. the crowd went wild 13 yrs ago ffs.

lol i love that ref to "hexagram" assuming it's intentional

meanwhile this album is totally fucking amazing and somehow better than the last two imo

this thread is going to blow up tomorrow, chino. pls update the lyrics

not sure if this tops KNY, tbh. love it, tho. does top DE, but that had a few moments of retread I can't forgive.

this thread is going to blow up tomorrow

Oh is Pfork finally making its insanely tardy Deftones about-face official?

Why does it feel like this album is getting much more hype than their last one did? Is it just simply a timing thing due to people being nostalgic for NuMetal or are some publciation trying to make up for the fact that they ignored the last one?

idk the last one came out in November

is it getting more hype? besides getting pfork coverage i don't really see it

Yeah, I guess by "more hype" I mean coverage from Pitchfork and Stereogum. And the fact that there seems to be more posts about it on here than KNY did.

made by 3-5 ppl total

somehow better than the last two imo

Don't know if I can go this far but it's definitely really great. I get kind of a Siamese Dream buzz from "Xenon."

yeah! it hits that kinda sp/failure axis

favorite song?

rubicon!

that ym least favorite

it sound like a song about the band. i don't like songs about bandmates

embrace the power of deftones, stephn. please play a chunky riff on this song for the crowd could go wild again.

it's one of their best choruses ever imo

the part that says take me in face the lies?

btw writhe clearly now chino's favorite word. also he like shapes.

shapes and colors are all i see

the part that says take me in face the lies?

and yes

I think "Acid Hologram" is my favorite, such a great slow churning groove

first reaction is that i badly want paramore to do a cover of "phantom bride."

yes to acid hologram. you are my deftones brother, simon. brad you are still fam, maybe a first cousin cause i'm not feeling rubicon as much as you are. you can still come over for xmas and shit, tho.

why have paramore do a cover when deftones already did it? can't get any better.

hello i like deftones a lot too

though i don't understand the hate for back to school, it's a good song

for what's basically a joke song they recorded under duress it's pretty great

also for whatever reason i couldn't get on with koi no yoken. this thread is making me wish i hadn't passed it on, feel like, you know, i might have been the problem.

you were the problem, but you can now be the solution

7.8 in pitchfork...it's happening

COACHELLA HERE WE COME

yep, took a listen to KNY again on spotify and i have officially dropped the ball.

The narrative laid out in that review is...disputable.

Also at least three major reviews have gone with the "beauty and brutality" theme. There's gotta be another way to describe what they do.

Wow, Cohen is really just a staggeringly bad writer, isn't he?

lol i just watched the "prayers/triangles" video and immediately wanted to hear "acid hologram" after it. ofc it's a very romantic association ("it's a real ALBUM man") but it's sort of nice that i can't imagine these songs isolated from each other

it took about 15 listens but "Hearts/Wires" just clicked for me

i saw pictures of deftones on pitchfork this morning and one of them looks like guy fieri

chino dyed his hair blonde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Z4nI2wmNY

jeez what a good band

wow, no one looks good in that video

i want to remember you all as you were

i'm liking the new record a lot though

http://i.imgur.com/xtY4N8Y.png

this is without a doubt one of the more confusing things i have seen today

First time hearing this band - "prayers" - thought this is some mid 90s alt rock I could get behind - then was surprised to see them classified as metal

"Prayers" reminds of hum's album downward is heavenward

Chino at least is on record citing Hum as a key influence

this is far bettr than hum to my ears. also, don't want to wait another 3 yrs for the next one.

does anyone have gore on vinyl? how is the sound quality? the digital version i have is brutally clipped and squashed. http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/108870 implies that the vinyl is much better but i know there's some weirdness with measuring dynamics from a vinyl rip.

the Chelsea Wolfe+Chino side project I just learned existed has a new song and it's pretty good!

https://youtu.be/MYATX6eQjL4

My god the dia de los deftones lineup is amazing, if they do it again next year I might have to go

well so much for that lol

anyway, big new interview in Kerrang re: the new album, fair bit of detail in there. the album is out....soon, apparently.

“We’ve always made Terry quit,” chuckles Abe. “It’s kind of our thing. We make him quit every record. First record? He quit. Second record and White Pony? He quit. Self-titled? He quit. And this one? He almost quit! He’s like a dad… And you don’t want to piss dad off. We can make his glasses fog up so quick. He bites his lip, his glasses get steamy, and we know we’re at that point! There’s always that goal of, ‘Let’s make ol’ TD quit!’ A lot of times he would just quit to get us on our toes.”

If it’s true that no producer has loyally suffered more at the hands of what Abe jokes is Deftones’ ability to “excel at lagging” than Terry Date, it’s also true that no producer has harnessed the beauty and fury of Deftones’ music like him. Their latest outing is a testament to this.

Despite Abe’s jokes, Deftones clearly put the work in: a band hyper-focused on delivering an album to fall in love with, not just one epic lead single. Recorded at LA’s Henson and Seattle’s Trainwreck Studios, it was fuelled, Abe says, with the usual stimulants of “coffee, juice, good beer, laughter, a little piss’n’vinegar, but a lot less tequila”. Together with Date – who is constantly praised by Abe and Chino throughout the conversation – they worked on 12 tracks, with 10 making the final cut.

“A lot of bands say, ‘We wrote 6,000 songs for this record and chiseled it down for you, the fan!’” jabs Abe, playfully. “You didn’t write 6,000 fucking songs, man!”

The ones they did, they paid forensic attention to. The opening track, for instance, which begins with a gorgeous synth passage from Frank, had a complete overhaul. The screamed vocals you will hear were first demoed at Chino’s house over Christmas when he decided he didn’t like his initial approach on the song as it had already been recorded. Picture this: Chino – a preternaturally gifted vocalist – demoing his new take by whispering his screams into the mic so as not to disturb the people in his home. Stunning moments mount up: one song starts with a bassline so rapid Sergio Vega’s left hand probably has no fingerprints left.

https://www.kerrang.com/features/the-secrets-behind-deftones-new-album-inside-the-studio-for-the-first-time/

It's called Ohms and it comes out on 09/25 :)

omg

ohmgs

I know it's greedy but I would also still very much like a Saudade album

1. Genesis
2. Ceremony
3. Urantia
4. Errorr
5. The Spell of Mathematics
6. Pompeji
7. This Link Is Dead
8. Radiant City
9. Headless
10. Ohms

a clip of "Ohms" is out there. sounds big!

they always kill the song title game

honestly looks like they came from the deftones song title generator but I'm not mad about it

what's the best route from swerve city to radiant city

Xxp

I misread “Suadade” as Sade and immediately wanted that album to exist

i have no idea what saudade is but immediately assumed it was the name of the project where deftones + jonah matranga cover sade songs and now i refuse to correct myself

mentioned in the last revive, it's a chelsea wolfe + chino project

"ohms" the song out imminently

oh i would totally dig a chelsea wolfe/chino record

time to cry about my favorite band releasing a new record

I was surprised to discover that Gore has the lowest RYM score of all their albums. funny how it was both a (somewhat arbitrary) critical breakthrough but seemingly now a bit of a black sheep

bits of that album remain elusive to me but in an appealing way, it was interesting to read about Stephen Carpenter's slight distance towards it

gore is bafflingly underrated by ppl for not having enough riffs? even though it is absolutely packed w/ fuckin riffs

it has the best ending of any deftones record, the last three tracks are such a ride

it is definitely packed with riffs! my theory is that the slightly airier production, which is not as monolithically heavy as KNY, tricks people's ears

carpenter's issues with gore didn't make sense to me when i actually heard the record (ofc, then chino and carpenter were quick to be like "that's just the nature of us making art with each other and three other people, is we will sometimes butt heads over the direction the thing takes" and that definitely makes sense to me)

yes they definitely have a complex set of inter-band relationships! (retrospective lol at Chino sitting out the making of Saturday Night Wrist for seemingly ages)

(that's def my least favorite one despite containing at least a half-dozen stone cold stunners)

i think that's the most underrated one. certainly the mathiest they ever got. notwithstanding the last minute of "pink cellphone" is the worst part of their catalog. combat -> kimdracula -> riviere... another unbelievable ending

also it's better than adrenaline

haha I was just about to say I think that one has their best run of closing tracks! and "rats!rats!rats!" one of their finest grooviest freakouts

my unpopular opinion is that of the run of incredible records they've been on since around the fur, the s/t is my least fav. feels very disjointed despite the individual songs being great. the intensely creepy atmosphere they get on "deathblow" and "battle-axe" never really comes back? but an album with both "when girls telephone boys" and "anniversary of an uninteresting event" aka when an album contains both hardcore and slocore... it's just a little much. "moana" prob my least favorite deftones closer too even though it's a great song

but "deathblow" and "battle-axe" are like walking into a room in someone's house and it's entirely empty except for the chains swaying from the ceiling... real hellraiser horror movie vibes

I need to relisten to all three of their 2010s albums because I can't remember a note of any of them. I liked Saturday Night Wrist better than the s/t, though.

koi no yokan is the best deftones album! #koinoyokantruther

the s/t is super flawed and directionless for sure but it has a certain gothy grandeur I keep coming back to

I am def Team KNY, just unbelievable banger after banger with the very minor possible exception of "Goon Squad"

I don't listen to the first two albums back to front like....ever, tbh

i get that but around the fur still really brings it for me

I like/don't love these guys but I look forward to their new album.

terry date should get his own poll one day

got impatient and searched out the new song and holy shit

someone compared it to devin townsend and yeah the riff is very ocean machine

feeling blessed to get something like this and the new hum record in one otherwise terrible year

oh lol I forgot you can get around region blocking

yeah this sounds really different, melodically speaking. this was the "comically big" riff discussed in the Kerrang piece I guess? it fits.

Been listening to Gore for the last hour and the guitar solo on "Phantom Bride" is one of the cheesiest things I've ever heard not coming from an Italian symphonic prog band or an '80s AOR power ballad. I literally gasped.

I think I gasped the first time I heard it as well. pretty wild that it's the only guitar solo in...their entire discography?

that solo rules, thank u jerry cantrell

relistening to KNY as it's the only one I have on vinyl; it sounds pretty good considering they crammed 51 minutes into a single LP!

someone compared it to devin townsend and yeah the riff is very ocean machine

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, August 20, 2020 8:30 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

count me in

also... saturday night wrist is their best album

I generally like them well enough but have trouble telling their records apart (even their songs tbh). Maybe a tad good monolithic and compressed for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDbj0oeAj0

oh whoops not premiering until midnight lol

xxp the “pink cellphone” outro is so damning to that album.

great song.
also, 'koi no yokan' is their best album, imo

I have no be honest, not a fan of the new album cover. reminds me of mudvayne

That is a Big-Ass Rock Song. Almost reminds me of Antenna-era Cave In.

yeah I can hear that. the major keyness is unusual for them.

relistening to saturday night wrist the other day made me realize it's their first album that really reaches the level of space rock

could def hear an argument for it being their best; i thought it was their best when it came out, but then of course they released diamond eyes and koi no yokan both of which i like more

but like nothing on previous deftones records sounded like "beware" or "xerces"

they always sound like them but I do like ezrin's angle

it is sort of amazing how uniform deftones records are (10 to 12 songs, 46-52 minutes, many w the same producer) and yet no album is particularly similar to any specific other

always different and the same

the perfect band

do Instagram links work here?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDT6oATnA8s/

https://youtu.be/fp9wgLUqu1M

i can't wait

the teaser promised at the very least a kind of dreamy intro to this

aaaah this record's gonna be so good

gonna hold out for the album, it's so close!

song is fucking incredible especially once that bridge/outro section starts

Long Stereogum review of the new album by Luke O'Neil, whose Welcome To Hell World emails I skim until I can't stand it anymore (usually 3-5 paragraphs in). Looking forward to hearing the whole album.

Stereogum is great for its headlines, but read any of their write-ups at your own risk; some of them are so unbelievably cringey they actually feature phrases like “this music RULES”

Stereogum is great for its headlines

strongly disagree

stereogum is good for the genuinely admirable breadth of what it covers, mostly not for the writing

anyway, I'm stoked for this. a "very good Deftones album" would be more than good enough.

luke o neil is good at twitter but his writing is absolutely terrible

chino mentioned in the vulture interview that clams casino is one of the black stallion remixers, pretty rad

yeah, fingers crossed that quality control is exerted and it ends up as one of the 5 good remix albums

holy shit this album

it's in my hot digital hands and I will be listening 3-5x while on this evening's delivery. extremely stoked

"error"... that's the hit

so far (up to "Pompeij") this sounds like a less obviously hooky KNY. tons of weird chord progressions.

no idea how Chino can still shriek like that

yeah it’s sorta like kny cross-pollinated with the s/t. i am so about it

I feel like there's more double/triple tracked Chino and I support that

the riff that opens “urantia” is so gnarly, and then the song immediately goes dreamy. really amazing twists in these songs

it’s nigh-pumpkins-y????

“error,” again, the best song ever made

lol I wish I was still getting high

let me tell you: it’s great

it's wild that this is this good but still might not even end up in my top 5 deftones albums

i think it's shot up into my top three already but who can say

it's certainly the best-sounding deftones record since the s/t

Terry Date undefeated, for sure

Really loving this on first listen.

I can't shake the feeling that someone lopped off the actual opening track, but otherwise the sequencing is great. "Ohms" is a splendid closer.

really enjoing it.
'pompeji' is an immeditate highlight.
and am I the only one who thinks of... no doubt while listening to 'headless'?

occurred to me this is the most well-integrated the different sides of their sound have ever been. there's never a moment where the riffs clear out for something purely meditative and gorgeous like "sextape," "entombed" etc. it's just crushing and beautiful in countervailing waves, all the time. think they had a real breakthrough here

"urantia" is the best

i forget about the synth fantasia at the end of "pompeji" every time and it's always like i tripped into a black hole

“Pompeji” into “This Link is Dead” is great.

This is such a great album, I've ended up listening to it all day. One thing that stands out is that a lot of the vocal melodies (e.g. 'Urantia') seem atypically bright and hooky for them.

the core, the heart music... deftones ohms

This is pretty good, but I think I prefer the new Hum.

you'd prefer an astronaut

Never mind, a second spin and it's the other way around now.

it's a grower not a shower

feels weird to say it but “genesis” is their best opener

my honeymoon period with this one is giving me the exact feeling koi no yokan did at the time: they put out another masterpiece

today i think "headless" is the best song. so much of this record sounds like their entire discography enfolded into single songs, and this one kinda migrates from the s/t to saturday night wrist in the verse/chorus and then slips backward into an odd time signature like all of my favorite stuff on diamond eyes

I see Chino is still croaking into every first word whenever he sings a clean part. That pained vocal fry thing is far too grating for me to deal with even if the guitar tones and the yelling sound as good as ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2lRakRUwwk

those clips sound...not embarrassing!

purity ring remix of "knife prty" out tomorrow

fingers crossed for "the boy's republic" covered by hum

01 – “Feiticeira” (Clams Casino remix)
02 – “Digital Bath” (DJ Shadow remix)
03 – “Elite” (Blanck Mass remix)
04 – “Rx Queen” (Salva remix)
05 – “Street Carp” (Phantogram remix)
06 – “Teenager” (Robert Smith remix)
07 – “Knife Prty” (Purity Ring remix)
08 – “Korea” (Trevor Jackson remix)
09 – “Passenger” (Mike Shinoda remix)
10 – “Change (In The House Of Flies)” (Tourist remix)
11 – “Pink Maggit” (Squarepusher remix)

“Digital Bath” (DJ Shadow remix)
"Pink Maggit" (Squarepusher remix)

I'm not as excited about these as I would have been in high school but it's still pretty fucking cool

blanck mass doing "elite" sounds crushing, looking forward to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ChUFzJqTM

yeah this kinda rules

damn that IS nice

"the spell of mathematics" is my favorite song

So, Stephen Carpenter hits the 21st century idiot trifecta: he's a COVID truther, an anti-vaxxer and a motherfucking flat-earther.

Ha, literally just about to post that.

sigh

double sigh

that really sucks, ohms was such a triumph too

His "justification" for why he thinks the earth is flat is just... good fucking god.

choosing to ignore all these posts ... just gonna go listen to Ohms again.

ugh

is there a rule that every major metal band needs at least one complete dumbass in it

I think you're lucky for most bands if it's just the one

certainly seem to have their fair share and then some

chino don't let me down

Shinoda remix of "Passenger" not much cop imo

I thought this thread got bumped so we could further discuss how awesome Ohms is. We can still do that, of course, but… ugh.

xxp.there was a response chino had during an interview for this album where he danced around the “both sides” issue that had me wary of his views.

From the vulture interview this year:

No matter who you are or what you do, I think most people deal with that dichotomy in life, having days of feeling like you’re your better self than others. I’m a work-in-progress. But yes, the song is acknowledging that. But it’s also about being frustrated with the times and how everybody, not to be so literal, because it’s not political or whatever — but it’s like everybody’s right. Everybody has an opinion. Everybody’s barking at each other through the fence, and it drives me fucking mad. I don’t want to have to pick a side. I want balance. I want to be able to make a decision that doesn’t have to go along with any one side of any argument. You know what I mean? That song actually also speaks to that, I guess, whatever. Everything is so polarized.

more like daftones amirite?

he should stick to singing about sadomasochism imho

conversely, “ohms” is explicitly about climate collapse

i do not think chino is infected with brain worms, obv this post may age poorly

anti-vaxxer shit is for some reason extremely seductive, i know a few people who should know better who parrot that shit and it’s hard to peel them away from it

stef’s “i’ve never gotten sick so illness must come from the mind” line is v familiar to me too lol

i think the shinoda remix rocks btw simon, he turned it into a sayonara wild hearts song (arguably this is also what purity ring did to "knife prty")

i watched you change
into a chemtrail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTxKkYDw704

genuinely awesome

I was hoping for a full on Smith vocal but this is a nice enough tweak

yeah this rules

caroline polachek and chino moreno, together at last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9UIjKtjjPQ

makes sense to me, i always imagined her vox as a reference chino in that track

lmao the blanck mass remix of "elite" is fucking perfect

lmao the squarepusher remix kinda goes!!!

i will say i found the clams casino remix underwhelming and the dj shadow mix whelming but everything else here is various kind of successful i think

clams casino worked for me as a low key intro

I know there's not a lot of competition for rock remix records but this is already one of the best a few songs in

so far the approach seems to be "keep the vibe, change the sonics"

for a couple of the acts this is close to the best thing they've ever released lol

phantogram brought their A game goddamn!

this really must have been genuinely mastered like an album and not just as a discrete set of remixes

squarepusher fucking killed it! too many cooks ass remix

I love how predictably OTT the Squarepusher remix is.

it goes so many directions then returns home, awesome

I think maybe squarepusher submitted a 7 minute remix and then they added the outro

phantogram brought their A game goddamn!

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this remix is so good

[24 hours pass] the phantogram remix is SO GOOD

I really love this whole thing.

I struggle to think of another rock remix album put together with this much obvious care

silent alarm remixed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiY67wIOIw0

also i love this video. i mean, the original "change" is one of my favorite music videos ever

the silent alarm one is good but not as....albumlike

the Tourist remix is so great

yes! i think i recommended black stallion to tim f mostly bc i want him to hear the tourist remix

oh my god I just noticed....... "push back the square"

lol

he really did too

squarepusher pushes the square back so hard on that remix

the Shadow one has grown on me a lot, Shinoda and Trevor Jackson are my "just OK" ones

i do not understand the trevor jackson one. love the shinoda at this point

I think for the Trevor Jackson one to make sense you need to get "member of Deftones" level blazed

i'm trying so hard

salva remix of "rx queen" is like... almost unpleasant? yet i always end up liking it

haha I got pretty stoned on my first couple listens, it really jumped out at me as being, after the intro, three three-song "suites" (active trio, chill trio, active trio) with squarepusher as the fireworks at the end

speaking of stoned I wonder if they tried calling dean blunt

just spun Ohms. Awesomeeeee

really loving Pittura Infamante atm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-rCTvo604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rte2YuDtfVY

that's sick!

I want full boutique remix versions of all the albums now tbh

I just barely talked myself out of $20 for a two-track picture disc on RSD. How's the Arca mix on the flip side?

the visuals on the youtube made the rest of this thread trip out to my eyes briefly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipy0D6ySYgA

Is their current US tour w/ Gojira on or not? I've seen conflicting reports.

Postponed till 2022.

Deftones part ways with long-time bassist Sergio Vega.

https://www.wearethepit.com/2022/03/deftones-bassist-sergio-vega-parts-ways-with-band-provides-statement/

Sure makes the band seem like a bunch of dicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3o8g6VGktw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awWKnZsaO3o

Liberty DeVito just jumped into my shortlist of rock personalities I want to hear stories from.

just saw this on another forum "Genuine question: why are they regarded as the 'hipster' nu-metal band (over someone genuinely cool like, say, P. Roach :cool:) when each member weighs about 48 stone and they sound like a poor man's Mushroomhead:eek:"