the cult of dilla, c/d?

let the dead rest

dud

dudcock

I can't imagine anyone who has interacted with pipecock is going to vote classic on this one.

paging deej

never got what's so great about this guy (Labcabincalifornia is terrible with the exception of a couple tracks)

someone needs channel ethan to give this thread the appropriate flavor

this thread is pathetic.

For me, I don't care for the majority of his own work, but I like most of the stuff he influenced.

I think he's quite good actually (although the endless love for Donuts is kind of baffling) but there is no doubt that the fawning praise from certain circles is a lot over the top.

never got what's so great about this guy (Labcabincalifornia is terrible with the exception of a couple tracks)

he didn't produce all of Labcabin

how is this thread pathetic? The guy was a virtuoso yeah but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

he is that great (& that influential) but the tributes & worship are getting a little old

I think a 42 track beat konducta tribute to dilla is in order.

but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, March 16, 2009 9:06 PM (6 minutes ago)

Have never seen one of these, but would probably find it pretty lol if confronted with it in the real world.

even i'm over it

J Dilla changed my life

I couldn't watch Wolverine State past that scene.

but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, March 16, 2009 9:06 PM (6 minutes ago)

Have never seen one of these, but would probably find it pretty lol if confronted with it in the real world.

― ian, Monday, March 16, 2009 5:14 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

met an australian guy in nepal wearing one of these shits - i couldnt resist asking him wtf he thought he was up to - got an earful abt this amzing artist

Changing lifes one aussie guy at a time.

guys you should all live in the burbs like me and you avoid all this crap

shit man, i live in brooklyn and have never seen one of those shirts!

(don't leave my house or shop at A1 much though.)

it's died down quite a bit but go to turntable lab or hang out in soho/east village and you'll still see a few Dilla Donuts shirts between a New Era and a pair of limited sneakers of some sort.

The only really great thing I know of to come out of the posthumous "cult of dilla" is the two mixes J Rocc made. Really good, search those.

They even put out an album he never finished and supposedly hated ( iirc it wasn't Stones Throw that put it out though)

only time I met a guy with one of those t-shirts he was Australian also

i have seen these shirts

go to la. hate your life

saddam was wearing one when he was executed actually

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

http://rlv.zcache.com/j_dilla_dilla_dawg_jay_dee_pay_jay_tshirt-p235402046239251671t5tr_400.jpg

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

lolz there are like four other people I think of when I hear the name "Jay D/J Dee" besides Dilla and Jermaine Dupri

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 2:59 PM Bookmark

"big" "pac"

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

other peoples shirts

xxxxp I think the proliferation of "Dilla" came with all the hype around Donuts because it came out right when he dies and everyone jumped all over it because of that

OPS

YAH U KNOW ME

i like slum village btw

"apples" "oranges" rev

WWJD

this is a weird thread

says the guy whose screenname is the equivalent of a "dilla changed my life" shirt

"apples" "oranges" rev

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really sure how so

I think there really is an instinct to speak of fallen heroes in the most familiar terms possible.

i think cuz pac & big, like oranges, are waaaay wayyyy better than jay dee, like apples.

u know???

rev, j dilla didn't die like a gangsta, so it's ok to be all 2006 is lame and shit

makes sense to me lol

i meant more comparing common nicknames of huge cultural icons to a guy who was barely known by any name for his best known work in his lifetime is shaky, but i guess i invited it with the part focusing on the 'casual shorthand' part (when the term i should've emphasized would be, say, 'posthumous re-branding').

cult of serge, c/d?

all these french kids. hate life.

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for Slum Village and doing Jaylib and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these Tribe/Badu/Janet/Common/De La/Q-Tip records I knew and liked/loved and mainly associated with 'The Ummah' or 'the Soulquarians' or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 2-3 years later people would be all Dilla this, Dilla that.

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

xpost - except me
Jay Dee a.k.a. Dilla a.k.a. James Yancey - c/d

Dilla tracks vs dilla tribute tracks

i wasn't on his dick for that stuff, i'm just saying that's the stuff i know and like (and sometimes love), don't really know the underground/instrumental shit that's inspired the cult.

anyone heard the orchestra tribute to dilla album?

dillbussy

I can't tell if that's a custos or real.

no there's really an album out, they performed it in la a half a month ago
dunno what its called

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Loose Joints) and doing (Dinosaur L) and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these (Flying Hearts)/(Necessaries) records I knew and liked/loved (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 5-10 years later people would be all (Arthur Russell) this, (Arthur Russell) that.

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Bryter Later) and doing (Pink Moon) and (other) stuff, (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 20-30 years later people would be all (Nick Drake) this, (Nick Drake) that.

I've yet to see a Nick Drake changed my life shirt.

n drilla

sorry

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:30 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haa yes like it emerged directly from my heart piece rip dilla

shakey congrats on not liking stuff

Alex, the cult lives WITHIN THE SELF

the self is supposed to, i dunno, flog itself or something for repentence of not being around to know who died after they died or something like that.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

alex, i'm just trying to get all pipecock on you and i'm failing ;_;

most of the dilla stans make their own lil beats at home too - theres def some steve vai style technical aspiration thing going on

What do Arthur Russell stans? Write books about Arthur Russell?

stans do, ahem

this is definitely the wrong place to ask, but what is the etymology of 'stan'? i know what it means, but is it short for something?

The Eminem track.

dido

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen
^^^^^ this

also i have no conflict in my heart in saying dilla was stone cold classic, and that the cult of dilla has no effect in either direction upon my feelings about this

"alex, i'm just trying to get all pipecock on you and i'm failing ;_;

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro)"

you're succeeding at being yourself quite well, by which i mean being retarded. there you go, a good pipecockism for you. if you wanna bite my style, LEARN TO DO IT RIGHT FOOOOOOL.

You have a style that people want to bite? No way

jesus

the cult of ilm, c/d?

i think that just about all "tributes" and whatnot to dilla have been pretty weak. those beatconductas are okay, but really they're not essential. i laugh when we get in new tracks at the shop that are all DILLA in title, but sonically they're bullshit.

i don't see what any of this has to do with people giving the man his propers. it's good that people are finally recognizing how great he was. in fact, it was only since he died that i revisited the tribe, pharcyde, and de la albums he was involved with and could appreciate them. that doesn't make EVERYTHING he did good ("electric circus" is a disaster, that one stands out), but it's pretty amazing how good most of what is out there with his name on it is. to the poster hating on Common, that just doesn't make any sense. Common may be something of a joke now, but in the 90's and into the early 00's the guy was the shit. and Dilla's beats on Like Water For Chocolate (which i bought the instrumentals on wax for back in late 00) are completely off the charts.

who wants to bite the pipecock

"who wants to bite the pipecock

― ice cr?m"

you'll bust your teeth on that motherfucker

i am not the one

life will do that job for us

never bite the cock that feeds you

http://i42.tinypic.com/1q6gow.jpg

This thread got unpleasant quick.

bring back dom and ethan

yeah, about when you started talking shit on me in the third post in it.

i'm going to the mickey avalon thread now so I can relax

the only solution here is if we all suggest bands we can agree on.

I already made my suggestions a long time ago.

Common, has been and always will be, terrible. Saw him on his "Hotel Common" tour, laughably bad. Everything I've heard of his I have actively disliked.

I was under the impression that the one and only answer -- the one artist on which all of us agree -- was Ray Parker Jr. If I'm mistaken, I will never post on this board again.

"Everything I've heard of his I have actively disliked."

He's great in Smokin' Aces.

I'll never forgive him for that Compared to What Coke spot

common has had some joints IMO...esp first couple of albums, but there's even his more hippie stuff that i like

get an idea about hiphop before you comment in the j dilla thread, might that be too much to ask?

Yes. Next question.

haha

yes what is all this hippin and a hoppin the kids are doing these days?

i've never seen one of these shirts in melbourne but i bet they're out there, we can be pretty corny about hip-hop.

plz explain 2 me rap/ravecore scene

that might be too much to ask

Common, has been and always will be, terrible. Saw him on his "Hotel Common" tour, laughably bad. Everything I've heard of his I have actively disliked.

― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:45 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sftu shakey mo

i agree 100% w/ pipecock about like water for chocolate

'doin it' is A+++

i find the nerdery around dilla beats kind of interesting, actually

but then i like finding out why stuff works the way it does

hes not my favorite producer ever, he made some great songs & did it w/ a specific focus on craft that can be interesting. I liked hearing questlove's story about how he did the 'doin it' beat in like 15 mins when they were playing a game trying to see if folks could make a beat out of a random record pulled from the stacks. good story

the cult is 'annoying' but more annoying is being broke, having ants in my kitchen & not getting a call back from a chick i like

sometimes ppl around here are way too subculturally butthurt
wahhh nerds are corny

^has been my fav/most played song the past couple months. and i usually hate rap tracks with singsong choruses.

even better off that album was the dwele track 'dime piece remix'

yeah not feeling that one at all
shakey if you can't get past perceived lameness wrt to common and appreciate the musical backing throughout Like Water for Choc then I just feel sorry for ya

haha that being said i have a hard time getting past my dislike of nu rnb crooning to appreciate dime piece

i feel sorry for myself :((

maybe u just never met a dime piece :D

btw common raps his ass off on lwfc also -- 'he fell off cuz i pushed him'

wow, another pipecock-baiting thread. you'd think everybody on this board was on his nutz.

pipecock baiting, really?? sounds more like yr on his nutz if u think this thread is 'about' him

my bad. this thread is about people who hate people who like dilla of which pipecock is just a measly number. carry on with your awesome thread!

this is not really what i had in mind when i started this thread

i just wonder whether his "influence" has been broadly overstated in some quarters

thanks pipecock for ruining another thread, though

my bad for being the first to invoke him, but it would have happened eventually

has he ruined 51 threads yet

"thanks pipecock for ruining another thread, though

― moonship journey to baja"

so it's my fault that people talk shit on me when i'm not even posting in a thread? *I* ruined it?!?! come on, son.

lol'd at "dudcock"

i think this Bullion ep i heard this weekend deserves post-dilla scorn

it was pretty o_O until you got here, when it suddenly got ... ruh ... ruh ... ruh ... ruhruhruhtuhtuhaaaaaaaaded

i hate hip hop music because of ilm's whining

ILM prefers a "Burial changed my life" shirt. This is sad

Shitty thread with a lot of cooler than thou fronting. Very tired of hearing about how lame folks think nerds are. J dilla > the bug

rap nerds are great cause you find out about shit like this:

why is there so much negative feeling on this thread??!?!??!?!? it was an innocent question!

btw i am listening to beatkonducta 5/6 for the 4th time today as i write this. especially digging on track 13 : "when you're faced with ... doubt, have no fear"

also like the sun ra quote about "discipline and precision" and the bit with the guy going "i can't understand, i'm trying to understand"

i just wonder about stuff like this that has a bigass "j dilla changed the game forever" essay in the booklet

also what do you guys think of herbs in all-stussy outfits and bamboo elk leather sneakers buying anything that mentions "jay dee" in the PR on sight, is that classic or dud

why is there so much negative feeling on this thread??!?!??!?!? it was an innocent question!

lol, then "let the dead rest". what didja expect?

If kids want to believe that j dilla or other talented people who have died changed the game, let em. why do you care so much about this?

FREE DILLA

cause dilla changed my life ;_;

haha I'm glad someone said something. Donuts wasn't even as good as Beat Konducta 1 & 2, come on.

But how does it compare to big and rich

u need some icy hot for dat ass or what deej

people people why are we fighting

f all this whining, this is my jam

hes classic, the fans are almost all dud.

the bbe welcome to detroit album, ruff draft, slum village's fantastic 1 and 2 (they shd never have split up cos he did his best stuff with them) and the j88 ep are all classic. i think what he did with tribe on the love movement is beatwise at least, classic too (that album is unfairly panned in general - in a way i wish dilla had someone like tip working with him later on cos i think a lot of his beats could have done with someone making them sound less like demos). i never much liked lwfc, barring a few songs (always thought the beats were twee).

dilla was just amazingly hit and miss, tho you did get the occasional gem (and half the time he worked with average mcs, or the guys he did work with didnt have much chemistry with him - most of my favourite dilla tracks are those with him rapping). most of the obsessiveness about him seems to come from producers who think we can all hear the amazing technique that they see him using when hes making beats. most of the time tho, we cant.

"i just wonder whether his "influence" has been broadly overstated in some quarters"

it has and it hasnt. detroit producers like black milk have obv been influenced, then theres sa-ra and all those guys, and i dunno if its just me, but a fair amount of that dr dre programming like on that last busta album seemed dilla influenced to me too (its just funkier and fuller).

^^^by far the best post of this thread

tbh, i dont think any rappers, except SV really, knew how to ride his beats as well as he did... (i always wondered wtf guys like busta were doing constantly getting dilla beats when they all sounded like duds - see: the anarchy lp). the fact dilla apparently never really 'produced' anyone and only sent them beat tapes in the mail prob didnt help either.

(i shd say SV and various detroit emcees - frank n dank on pause were perfect).

Getting down on the D by Ugly Ed

Pipecock/[Name Suppressed]

Disclaimer: This is a work of non-profit amateur fan fiction written just for fun. No infringement is meant on the rights of RF, Tom Cox, FXHE records, The Belleville Three or anybody else. No profit is being made by this story.

([Name Suppressed])

I was lying on the bed in my room next to Pipecock. After our moments of passion he had fallen asleep. I felt somehow strange. I had had so many bad times with him that the fact that we became lovers was almost unbelievable. Remembering some our arguments and flamewars made me think about the oddness of my relationship with Pipecock. I’ve spent years convincing trying to make myself believe that I hate him to hide my admiration for him. His neckbeard now wet with love- sweat and man juice, his sapphire eyes, now closed in his sleep… All the past years I had tried to hate him in vain when all I had really wanted was to touch him, feel him close to me, love him.

*Flashback:*

Pipecock was on a high. All week the props had been pouring in to Infinitestatemachine from real cats all over the globe who shared his passion for the true, soulful shit from the soul/disco continuum. He could feel that his time was coming – any day now he would finally have crushed the evil forces of rave and the world would acknowledge that he and he alone was the saviour of Detroit and his name would be enshrined above even that of Juan Atkins. Sweetest of all was the fact that his arch-rival and nemesis [Name Suppressed] ‘Minimal’ Fitzgerald had retired from blogging. His famous cock, virtually brandished wherever dance music was discussed, thickened in his shapeless brown pants at the thought of this final victory. And tonight he would savour his triumph in the sweetest possible way – Omar-S was playing Pittsburgh, and he was playing at Realshitforrealcats, Pipecock’s own club night.

That night, after several hours of the choicest cuts, the dancefloor was packed, many new faces were there, evidence that Pipecock’s crusade rolled on, gathering more and more momentum with every passing day. Evidence that all those years spent relentlessly pursuing retards on messageboards were paying off. The music surged in his veins and he bobbed his head even more fiercely than before. Suddenly the music changed – a thin, reedy and impossibly sweet riff clanged out over the crowded dancefloor. Pipecock felt a strange feeling come over him – he wanted to put his hands in the air and jump up and down really fast. Then an overdriven organ surged in over a pounding electro bassline. Pipecock’s body twitched with a fierce passion that seemed to come from outside him. He was a slave to the rave!

The last bars of Booka Shade faded out and, drenched in sweat and utterly overcome by a mixture of elation and disgust, Pipecock’s legs gave way and he clutched at the nearest body for support. Dimly, he heard a soft Irish brogue say “I never expected to see you like this”. Realisation slowly dawning on him, he looked up: “Fitzgerald!” he gasped.

But before the two rivals could begin ransacking their stores of epithets they were distracted – Omar was playing “The art of stalking”!

“Our troubles can wait, [Name Suppressed]” said Pipecock, “Let’s dance!” The next five hours were a whirl of limbs, grins and vintage synths. Time after time Omar dropped something that satisfied both Pipecock’s need for authenticity and [Name Suppressed]’s convoluted contrarianism. They wanted to scowl at each other but just couldn’t. Gradually [Name Suppressed] began to notice the powerful masculine contractions Pipecock’s stocky body went into when the snares hit, and Pipecock couldn’t help but be charmed by the young Irishman’s slender frame swaying, eyes closed in rapture, during the breakdowns. In the churning confusion of the floor the brush of body against body gradually became something more lingering. As Omar closed out the set with the Ugly Edit of Jill Scott’s “Slowly, surely” the two suddenly stopped, frozen and face to face on the floor, neither quite daring to say what needed to be said.

***TO BE CONTINUED***

haha. part 2 plz.

Getting down on the D by Ugly Ed - PART 2

Pipecock/[Name Suppressed]

Disclaimer: This is a work of non-profit amateur fan fiction written just for fun. No infringement is meant on the rights of [Name Suppressed] Fitzqerald, Tom Cox, FXHE records, The Belleville Three or anybody else. No profit is being made by this story.

The music faded away and still the two stood there like two samurai locked in a battle of wills, except theirs was a battle of the love that dare not speak it’s name – the love of Europe for America and vice versa. Suddenly a voice echoed through the club.

“Is that? Is that? THE GHOST OF LARRY LEVAN????”

“Yes [Name Suppressed], it is I” said the ghost. “As you can see I have stopped the vinyl of time and everyone else in this club is frozen. Only the two of you can see me, and when I’ve finished talking and restarted the music of life, all will be as before and no-one will know of this save the two of you.”

“But, but…”

“QUIET PIPECOCK!” bellowed the ghost, “I am not some n00b that you can shout down with all caps. I am Larry Levan and I shall be heard. [Name Suppressed]! Smirk not! You are as guilty as he. Both of you have been gathered here for your sins against disco. You, Pipecock have strayed from the truth of your love for music by the desire for recognition and you seek to claim other people’s music for your own. This is not your place! Not only that but your love for Detroit has blinded you to the glories of other forms of music. Seek not to impose outside criteria on the groove, for the groove is just the groove and needs no other justification.”

Pipecock shuffled his feet and looked at the ground, chastened. This was Larry Levan! How could he argue?

“You, [Name Suppressed], have also strayed. You are too caught up in the creation of an ‘interesting’ viewpoint on music. You say things you don’t really mean and twist yourself up with thoughts of what your tastes say about you, instead of just feeling.”

“But most of all, both of you, you have not just sinned against music, you have sinned against love. Yes, L-O-V-E. You love each other, and want each other, but all the hate has blinded you to this. Let the scales drop from your eyes, and embrace one another. Then go home and make pumping man-love to the sounds of Donato Dozzy. This I command!”

***TO BE CONTINUED***

i actually properly LOLd while reading that.

titchy, did you know that one of the sa ra guys was dre's ghost producer for a long time? probably why dre's beats had dilla inspiration

i dunno, was he really dres ghostproducer? i think i read he had some other job, almost more admin-level at the label.

so what? i guess dilla's beats weren't touched by the wang of jesus himself?

the man wasn't a god?

fans are gay?

nothing makes people feel cool like clowning backpacker shit?

it's pretty stupid that dilla is getting shit on on ILM considering some of the corny shit that gets hyped on this board.

pretty much any beat with non-quantized hi-hats that slop around between straight and swung, or samples that veer out of time, reads as j dilla-influenced to me these days.

so what? i guess dilla's beats weren't touched by the wang of jesus himself?

the man wasn't a god?

fans are gay?

nothing makes people feel cool like clowning backpacker shit?

it's pretty stupid that dilla is getting shit on on ILM considering some of the corny shit that gets hyped on this board.

― brother marquis (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:17 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^ACTUAL best post on this thread

somebody link to the narcissism of small differences post from way back and lock thread already

i know what you mean and you're right for the most part, but there have been plenty of mainstream producers (Megahertz, later Neptunes) doing swinging unquantized drums that have nothing to do with Dilla.

the way people are overreacting to a the very mildly negative things being said about Dilla and/or his fans on this thread kinda makes a case for the fact that there is a cult of Dilla and it's not an entirely good thing.

i mean as far as i can tell noone has dared to suggest that the guy wasn't a unique talent or that he didn't make a lot of music worth enjoying and remembering him by.

right, a neptunes beat has never made me think of dilla (can you name any specific tunes btw?)

most of their stuff from like Justified onward has tended to be unquantized loops of Pharrell's live drumming instead of drum machines like before, it's more obvious on some tracks than others.

i'm not even a huge megafan, but he's good. listening to donuts now. this is a nice one to zone out to.

basically my post was directed at stuff like this:

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

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you forget that being mad at dead people is shakey's "thing"

haha waht

I'm mad at LIVING people, once their dead the gloating begins

they're

So can I ask an informed fan for a Rough Guide? (Haven't checked the RG threads, but I don't think any of them had one.)

(cue deej "zing" here)

yeah, that's a totally different thing to me. a) the fact that it's a loop means that it's going to line up every four or eight bars, as opposed to the dilla thing of doing a whole drum track "live", and anyway most of that neptunes drumming is pretty tight anyway, and b) however dilla did his beats (live on samplers or whatever), he created feels that are pretty hard to reproduce on a drum kit. i've never heard the neptunes do anything that sounds like that, and i feel like a lot of drummers are dealing with it now as a result of hearing dilla-style beats.

not sure how easily they would be to dig up, but i noticed a lot of music blogs did unofficial rough guides soon after he died.. can't be more specific than that tho

yeah loose unquantized drums done on a drum pad are a whole different thing i guess

xpost

man there was that one awesome free dilla mixtape that a website did...ethan linked to it, was great. can't recall where it was now.

was it the okayplayer thing w/m.o.p. and peedi crakk on top of beats from donuts?

didn't know he was ever locked up

yeah i heard that one, it was awesome

xpost

this: http://www.okayplayer.com/dilla/djsoul/

Bout to play basketball, will do a rough guide when I get back

xpost - i hear no similiarities between the neps and dilla. also, questlove does a pretty good simulation of dilla on his kit, tho i can do without hearing anyone else try and approximate the dilla 'swing' with programming or live drums. was listening to a brownswood sampler the other day and the number of tracks with neo soul vocals over dilla loops got pretty boring. tbh, the dilla style can get pretty dull and sleepytime in itself. its not quite quantized, no, but it can still be pretty rigid/stiff to the point of zzz. i think a lot of his stuff was right on that borderline between stiff/loose but not always in a good way.

i hear no similiarities between the neps and dilla

noone said there was one, that was kinda my point.

Matos, contact me or Rev, we'll come up with one for you. Rev would be best actually.

But if you want a rolling Rough Guide here: "Nothing Like This" from the Ruff Draft EP belongs on it.

(also, Labcabincalifornia is great. Haterz are insane.)

tho i can do without hearing anyone else try and approximate the dilla 'swing' with programming or live drums

i disagree, it still seems like a fertile area, but you're right that it's a fine line between doing it with funk and just sounding sloppy or weird for weird's sake.

my quick rough guide of his own (or slum village's tracks) with one or two from qtip/tribe just cos the stuff they did together was some of his best imo -

dilla - pause
slum village - fall in love
slum village - i dont know
common - Thelonius
jaylib - mcnasty filth
dilla - nothing like this
slum village - look of love
dilla - fuck the police
q-tip - move
q-tip - lets ride
tribe - find a way

yeah i've been pretty into "Move" lately

'Getting Down on the D' Vols 1 + 2 by Ugly Ed: A+++++ would read agin

this post has made me wanna go and all those detroit albums i ignored.

This is very belated, esp. since I know he meant them sarcastically, but Mackro's Nick Drake/Arthur Russell thing is pretty OTM!

i didn't really understand that at all, since Nick Drake released everything as a solo artist under the same name AFAIK and i was talking about how slippery J Dilla's legacy was before his death because he was known by different names and didn't get a lot of name recognition for his work with better known artists early on. maybe the joke was something else and it just went over my head, though.

haha I don't think he was being quite that literal. I just thought it was funny because I kind of agree with it! (Nick Drake much more than Russell--I don't mind hearing Drake but he's not someone I ever listen to of my own accord.)

Most of the songs I know that have been mentioned here I like fine, but the "genius" talk all seems to boil down to production stuff that as a lay listener I'd never pick up on.

It was just a commentary that people here still fascinate about talented artists who died in the same way like Russell and, from time to time, Drake -- but OMG, we can't have people fascinate about J Dilla, James Yancy, etc. because ALL THESE KIDS MADE HYPERBOLIC T-SHIRTS. THAT'S THE END, MAN

(remove "in the same way" from last sentence, forgot to remove first time)

you know ALL THOSE KIDS that nobody saw except someone here on ILX who was in Tibet once.

ok, well...my post that you parodied was about an issue completely aside from what you turned it into, so thanks for missing the point.

i wonder how dilla would feel if he knew people were still getting butthurt about him years after his death

ok, well...my post that you parodied was about an issue completely aside from what you turned it into, so thanks for missing the point.

to be honest, I just grabbed a post on this thread and made text substitutions that happened to be yours. I didn't miss or get any point of yours. my butt feels great, thanks.

ok, it's all good. also you should probably stop saying "fascinate about."

lol

there are a whole lot of butthurt people on this thread, being butthurt about a whole different range of things

You guys are such clowns, it would crack me up if it wasn't so sad.

hi pipecock

why dont you cry about it

omg are you actually crying? he is! pipecock's crying about ILM!!

Wait, why don't you guys write homoerotic fantasies about me for fun. Oh wait, too late. Talk about needing to get off my fucking jock....

That fantasy above went way beyond homoerotic.

he takes butthurt literally

Whatever it was, you guys obviously have some shit repressed that you need to see a professional about. Hopefully you can all work that shit out without dragging me into it, thanks.

stop crying, PIPECOCK

Actually pipecock I was going to ask if you wanted to come to my therapy session next week. He thinks it will really help me get to the bottom of some things if you are there.

I have no prior awareness of this pipecock person

"thunder" off donuts is so dope.

what happened to the pipecock/[Name Suppressed] story?!

oh its still there.

*relieved*

Thank goodness, you can still jack off to it later.

I would think he'd just c/p into a word doc if that's what he was planning to do.

i dont need to wait til later. ill jack off to it now!

I see you've already planned your evening, eh?

PIPECOCK

oh i get it u guys dont want to talk about dilla this is about batting around pipecock til hes 51'd

PIIIIPECOOOOOCK

no i want to talk about dilla. i think hes actually quite a pernicious influence really.

Let's Ride is the shit.

best/most unexpected dilla i just heard

'just' = last month or so but still

im glad dilla never did a YNQ.

you mean in general, like a live instruments album?

that 40glocc is noice

xpost, yeah.

why?

yeah, i mean i'd be curious to hear how he sounded as a drummer and a keyboard player straight-up, but it's not really the point.

xp

i tuned out of ynq releases after the first few but i dont know if i wanna hear dilla doing his own soul-jazz amateur hour.

i dont know if you have to worry about it

pls don't use dead black geniuses as zing opportunities

^^ obscure ethan reference

are there people with "dub willis changed my life" shirts, i wonder

this has tons of live instrument "jammy" stuff.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VKH03FN8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

sickest dilla sample (from the frank'n'dank song Pause)

He sampled Mogollar! That's pretty awesome.

whoever the fucking asshole is who decides to use my full name on this thread while posting anonymously, I think that behaviour is appalling. I also think if you're going to be as vicious as you are you should do it under an ID that's clear.

I haven't been involved in any argument of note on dance threads for aeons, and this sort of bullshit makes me glad I'm not. seriously fuck you.

didn't really seem vicious, more of an affectionate send up. I can appreciate you not wanting your name on it, but it doesn't really seem like it was mean spirited.

if it wasn't vicious why is the person using an id? if it wasn't vicious why do they take great care to have a really fucking direct dig at my writing/ideas?

seriously I'd give a greater fuck except I haven't written anything in months anyway, whoever it is is scum.

didn't realise it was a sock login, that's pretty wussy. It does just seem like they were ripping the piss.

I don't care about the slash stuff, I'd be laughing if it was someone else. I do care about someone using an id and the joke to throw in a load of criticisms they aren't willing to stand over. Plus having tried to extricate myself and any lengthy opinions etc from ILM and the net in general it annoys me that someone drags me into this thread, wherein I'm hardly in some back and forth flame war. I mean seriously, just leave me out of this demented shit, I don't give a fuck anymore. If I did I'd be posting as my own name.

I remember when a certain someone used to talk plenty of shit behind an anon display name until he got called out on it.

i remember when this was all fields.

Display Name actually almost everyone knew this id was me, the v first thread on ILE made it extremely obvious.

called out on it as I remember was Tim saying "Ronan" midway through a post and Vahid saying "local garda is ronan", oh I still remember that horrible day.

dance threads in the gutter

hiphop threads becoming dance threads

not vicious at all, get a grip.

i think using LG's real name when he doesn't post under it is pretty malicious, to be honest. as someone who hides behind their screen-name, i would have thought you'd understand.

[Name Suppressed] makes that story sound so much more sordid.

if it's not vicious then why has the person made up an id to do it? surely they can just come clean then?

tho obviously it's impossible to guess who would do this

if i'd written it i would come clean. i thought it was rather affectionate to be honest, and would assume the 'real name' was used because it's plastered all over local garda's blog (and years & years of previous postings on this board)

the manufactured id was in the spirit of the story. if it's vicious where's the nastiness? it's cute!

how about how many recent postings? why am I even drawn into this on a thread where vahid is the one baiting? when was the last time I had an actual argument on ILM? why do you think that is?

and if you think the parts where whoever goes out of their way to attack my writing while they're doing this "joke" are affectionate then I think you should read again.

as I said, if it wasn't vicious they'd have used their own id, obviously ashamed of something.

if it was in the spirit of the story (what complete crap) they can come clean now then

god, you really are po-faced, aren't you?

resolved, i'd say its generally up to the target to decide if a jibe was nasty or jokey, and not some sniggering onlooker, which is what you seem to be.

when somebody puts your name on a thread for no reason resolved and attacks your work anonymously then let's see how you find it?

I could understand if I was even engaged on the thread in any significant way but I wasn't. Nor have I been on any thread or on my own site for several months.

I'm not putting myself out there for this, I'm not getting the money or the benefits of that so people should just fuck off.

unless i've missed an extra post or it's been brutally edited by one of your friends on the moderation team, the vast majority of it is ripping the piss out of pipecock. perhaps i've not read enough of your ouvre to appreciate the sly stylistic digs. honestly, if anyone went to that much effort to parody my point of view in such a ridiculous way, i hope i would be amused. the ghost of larry levan? what malice

it's not sly at all, it's pretty direct.

ask the mods to delete it or change it or stfu

"The Bug changed my life".

"Dubstep changed my life".

"Burial changed my life".

"Brian Eno (non-producer) changed my life".

"GG Allin changed my life".

Yeah [Name Suppressed] you are ruining a totally worthless thread with your whining.

lol this thread has been terrible in about 3 different ways, good job everyone

you know you enjoyed it, quit frontin

thats why i said good job not bad job *rolls eyes*

"ask the mods to delete it or change it or stfu"

who asked you? I didn't ask for it to be deleted because there's no grounds for it to be deleted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/jun/16/cult-j-dilla

i have a newfound respect for the cult of dilla for the way they put charles hamilton in his place, really hilarious shit.

simey owes me money

lol the comments on the simey article are like we made a parody of what this thread is about. There's even people bashing SR for liking Ludacris.

im trying to think of another hip hop artist with fans as annoying as dilla ones. only tupac fans come close i think.

yeah they're nearly as annoying as the tone of that article

most commenters seem pretty happy with the article? maybe i'm not reading down far enuf...

ps i didn't know mr. woebot was making records now?

The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements.

jesus fucking christ, give it up you daft twat. simon reynolds writers exclusively for the bourgeoisie he affects to despise. give it up, man, you'll give yourself an ulcer from all the bad faith.

As I headed down the aisle to the back of the store where the DJ lurked, the thought popped into my head: "P'raps this is Dilla?"

ps i didn't know mr. woebot was making records now?

― goole, Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya what's up with that? is there a thread on this stuff or

fuck it, let's talk about it here. always had much respect for that guy.

the cult of woebot, c/d?

I really can't stand Simon now. Even reading Energy Flash now makes my teeth hurt. He's like the Bill Plaschke of music writing or something.

who is bill plaschke

what is google

it's kinda like bing.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYvua4o2tmM

http://www.mediafire.com/?mznk33mlzhy

not sure why woebot is quoted there - i know theyre mates but im sure someone a bit more related to the subject of the article could have been bothered for a quote.

If you could break his style down into three main components, they'd be his way with a vocal sample, his way with a beat, and his way with synths

seriously dude??

If you compare the original song (and do check out Caldwell's hat while you're about it) with The Light you can clearly see Dilla's artistry: he's taken an already lovely, if slightly schmaltzy, song and created another song out of it.

how ... post-modern! its almost as if he is "sampling" these records and "recontextualizing" them. interesting...

He's writing for a Grauniad audience.

i have a newfound respect for the cult of dilla for the way they put charles hamilton in his place, really hilarious shit.

― best of the badman log (some dude), Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:15 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

what's this about

"He's writing for a Grauniad audience."

This would be a more plausible defense if his blog wasn't filled with equally facile observations.

lol the comments on the simey article are like we made a parody of what this thread is about. There's even people bashing SR for liking Ludacris.

― Tim F, Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:45 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree but i kind of think this:

Why do you look for 60s & 70s rock? Crippling reverence towards the past?

says a lot about his weird anti-90s rap weirdness. he only likes one common song?? seriously??

He's probably only heard one Common song.

& 'the light' isnt close to his best dilla track either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU6MwPtBZvg

xxxxp Hamilton listed J Dilla as an exec producer on his album "so the proceeds can go to the J Dilla Foundation", which apparently no longer exists. People called him out as just trying to eat off of Dilla's name and had a big bitchfit about it. Seems kinda loss-loss imo.

i do appreciate that hes acknowledged that maybe dilla is occasionally good

Britisher who isn't too invested in rap has big gaps in rap knowledge and weird opinions about rap, news at 11. I don't know why I'm defending dude, but the level of freaking out in this thread seems kind of above and beyond.

no ones freaking out. were just making fun

& 'the light' isnt close to his best dilla track either

yes, it's def close.
Rev clearly you were not alive during the 60s and therefore unable to judge when there's an actual FREAKOUT going down.

haha clearly

This is possibly the worst thread on ILM, and with the shit quality of most threads here that is really saying something.

^reliable

i wouldnt expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of dilla to be totally happy w this thread no

couldn't get much worse ... then cock walked in

"i wouldnt expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of dilla to be totally happy w this thread no

― autogucci cru (deej)"

i would expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of stupidity to be v happy with this thread.

let us pray

"i would expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of stupidity to be v happy with this thread."

And yet you are not. How strange.

alex did you just

i mean why even

it's pipecock for the sake of

nevermind

cock-baiting is an american classic

if it works the other way around, then i understand why reynolds wrote something so american-baiting

"i agree but i kind of think this:

Why do you look for 60s & 70s rock? Crippling reverence towards the past?

says a lot about his weird anti-90s rap weirdness."

Yeah I thought the line about looking for old rock was unfortunate in context. OTOH I don't think sr actually iscripplingly reverent towards 60s and 70s rock (he almost never talks about it), any more than anyone who buys soul records of old school rap is automatically a dj premier stan or owns a "dilla changed my life t-shirt."

Plus i don't think sr is actually anti-90s rap. He always seemed to love wu-tang and tupac. His hatred for biggie is obv highly offensive, of course.

any more than anyone who buys soul records of old school rap is automatically a dj premier stan or owns a "dilla changed my life t-shirt."

haa but thats sort of the nature of his bias, to the extent that he just heard 'wont do' for the first time .... i mean yeesh

"alex did you just

i mean why even

it's pipecock for the sake of

nevermind"

I know, I know. I feel dirty now.

Deej I think the whole "hearing Dilla in a record store" anecdote is set a few years back actually.

You're probably right otherwise though.

I like how he admits (if shamefacedly) to ultimately being won over by Common's performance on "The Light" after having dismissed Common out of hand for so long. Generally, I think people read a lot of condescension in his writing when often he's having a go at himself a bit. Like, I think he likes the convenience of crate-digging record stores that don't require you actually to bend down and rifle through old crates. And he knows, I think, that it's not somehow more "defensible" to go there for 60s/70s rock or avant garde stuff.

I always feel self-conscious going to the local dance record store in my suit on lunch breaks to rifle through records. Often without fully realising it I make snap value judgments about the people I see there (usually some combination of their clothes + their hair + the top record in the pile they're sampling), then remind myself that I probably look far more ridiculous.

"That night, after several hours of the choicest cuts, the dancefloor was packed, many new faces were there, evidence that Pipecock’s crusade rolled on, gathering more and more momentum with every passing day. Evidence that all those years spent relentlessly pursuing retards on messageboards were paying off. "

this thread has been huge fun

The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements.

this isnt much different from things that guys like premier or large professor have said over the years, tbf.

"jay stay paid" just isn't very good, is it?

only song I felt to be worthy of downloading after listening to the clips was 24K w/Havoc and Raekwon, and even that is just ok.

i can't believe patrin gave it 8.1

he gave mos def an 8.0

im trying to start my own cult of quik

"The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements."

these people must not go to Pittsburgh.

Jay Stay Paid is awesome and totally worthy of an 8.0

Mos Def not so much.

For me, I don't care for the majority of his own work, but I like most of the stuff he influenced.

― Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, March 16, 2009 4:55 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark

as someone who's been pretty unimpressed with underground rap for most of the past decade, i'm starting to feel that a serious potential source of light on the horizon lies in the dilla aping realm. it goes deeper than flying lotus or black milk, and i'm not even talking shameless dilla jacking per se, but just that sense of making weird beats with loads of atmosphere and an offbeat lurch, and that sense of experimentation away from cleaner sounding drums or samples.

anyways, i'm anticipating a lot of people not liking this but it's a trend i'm v interested in at the moment but know way too little about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRsJOWRSYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N63b2Tk-A&feature=related
(this one's actually a flying lotus production)

start here
itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b

actually, start here, and then go here
The Sa Ra Creative Partners Thread, finally...

*there*

Cult is dud, Jay D is pretty classic (though a bit of a mixed bag). This is one of those things that I'm grateful that my brother was super into backpack shit in SE Michigan, so he knew Jay D (mostly through the Subterraneous crew and Slum Village folks), and I got to meet him a couple of times. He was a pretty chill guy, but "Dilla Changed My Life"? Not so much.

ya i've read and loved the pretentious rn'b thread, but i think this is something at least slightly different; i'm really thinking hip hop and slow head-nod instrumental hip hop. i read a rap review a while ago where the writer said something to the extent of "the production is refreshing in an era where every undie rap producer just recycles old dilla beats" and i thought 'hey i wouldn't mind it if everyone sounded like that.' thing is i just haven't heard enough it, and so far am not convinced that so much of it exists.

ok yes sa-ra is exactly what i was talking about, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZZ_SG-boE

that was pretty great

Dilla's Donuts began simply enough, in summer 2005, as an idea to turn a particularly good demo beat tape into a full-length release. We think we can safely say it has since became a classic hip-hop album, one of the defining works of the artist's life. This box set includes the album on seven 45s and a bonus 45 with "Signs" from the long out-of-print Donuts 'Fan Club 45' b/w DOOM & Ghostface's "Sniper Elite & Murder Goons" - two tracks over Donuts beats which were recorded in late 2005 prior to the original release of the album. These two tracks were released digitally in 2008, but have never before appeared on vinyl. Side D contains the "Donuts Outro/Intro" appearing as an interlude at the beginning of "The Diff'rence" which dates back to the first, original sequence of the album.

groan

I love Donuts, classic chillwave

classic

This box set includes the album on seven 45s

why do they do this? who buys these?

soulstrut is tumbleweeds right now b/c the entire board is running to the record store

i dont know but apparently already sold out pretty much everywhere already, though i suppose at $40 it works out to only $5/disc so i guess not total robbery

I was just going to do a donuts poll yesterday

the cult is 'annoying' but more annoying is being broke, having ants in my kitchen & not getting a call back from a chick i like

sometimes ppl around here are way too subculturally butthurt
wahhh nerds are corny

― ridin down the yellow brick road in the yellow 6-4 (deej), Monday, March 16, 2009 5:17 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all of those problems have been solved but the dilla cult still exists

mea culpa

this really is an amazing time capsule thread, can't believe velko posted in it

tbh madlib changed my life

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc that beat isn't from a 1 thru 5 batch, it's from "another batch" 1998.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats @jrocc I don't really give a shit to honest.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc to each his own.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats No it's not to each his own. That's the problem. There are facts to this and dudes be freestyling like they know what it is.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 i know, that's my point. I'm a stickler for facts and details.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats What facts? Did you get a beat tape from Dilla?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 are you confusing me with someone you don't know?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 and why attack me for correcting an obvious mistake? who doesn't know that's 98?

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
More and more annoyed by you so called "Dilla Heads" You really don't have a fuckin clue which I did B47 Breaks in the 1st place.

ha awesome

wow this thread all over the place

anyways would have been 45 today rip beat maker

this was very touching

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZebNF9hQvt/?utm_medium=copy_link

There's a new book too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/arts/music/j-dilla-time-book.html

Charnas also clarifies the story around “Donuts,” an instrumental album that Stones Throw Records released right before Dilla’s death that has become a key entry point for new generations of fans. It’s been said that Dilla recorded “Donuts” in the hospital, embedding messages for loved ones in his compositions as the end approached. In reality, “Donuts” was born from one of the many beat tapes he had made. It was largely edited and extended by Jeff Jank, who worked at Stones Throw, and completed months before Dilla died.

Just picked up the book yesterday, though I haven't started it. Looks fantastic and there seem to be a lot of beat diagrams sprinkled throughout. Can't wait to dig in, though I've already got two fellow ilxors books on the "next to read" pile first.

Charnas' book was really good, I appreciated the mix of biography and deeper dive into how he put the beats together.

Listening to the Welcome 2 Detroit Instrumentals this morning and it sounds really good.

Just starting Dilla Time now, hells of excited to immerse myself in it.

Yeah, some of the music theory stuff can be a little "extra" but Charnas is a gripping and thorough storyteller. Book is great.

I'd like to read it, but I feel like if I ever hear read anyone going on about Dilla's unquantized drum programming feel, it will be too soon.

I think even Questlove, who was of course a primary evangelist, said recently that the way Dilla constructed musical parts out of micro-sampling (single notes, tiny sounds) has been overlooked compared to the drums stuff.

im trying to start my own cult of quik

― zzz (deej), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:29 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

this worked kinda

I need to read the charnas book