ILM Census: Are You Male or Female?

I'm male btw

otm

^^^this

Looks like there is something growing out from my body down there. But I guess the most interesting thing here is the poll results anyway, not our posts. :)

Well, if anyone wants to "tackle" why males outnumber females on ILM, please do.

o_O @ everything

http://www.tmi-band.com/images/tmi%20logo.jpg

you androgyne-hating bastards

ARE YOU A BOY, OR ARE YOU A GIRL? WITH YOUR LONG BLOND HAIR, YOU LOOK LIKE A GIRL!!!

(That's coz I am a GURL)

((We did this on another forum I'm on, where it was claimed there were "no gurls" - and it turned out there were actually about 10, hiding behind gender neutral names.))

XX

cool I want to meet women on ILM

(my game = posting about hearing Pixies songs @ strip clubs and starting an I Hate Steely Dan poll...success is mine!!!)

Hey DAM, if yer into trannies, I could set you up with some knockouts back in Jackson. Real cheap. Whaddaya say?

i am not sure whether or not i am loling...

Male 4EVA!!!!

maybe there will be lots of female lurkers

i'm a male, but i'm also a girl

Being a big girls blouse != female ya know!

25/F/Arkansas

Geir scared everyone

woah geir....easy there buddy

http://i39.tinypic.com/auv1n8.gif

I think I'm being followed.

geir's growth is that big?

and you wonder why ilm is a boys club

and you wonder why ilm is a boys club scandanavian eunuch club

― Roz, Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:14 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm a boy, I'm a boy, but my ma won't admit it

And Roz and I get in trouble for talking about the hottness of Lindstrom/Erol Alkan/Patrick Wolf?

I mean, if we started talking about our vaginas on this thread, there'd be CHAOS and threadlock in 20 minutes.

yeah nobody took umbrage with Geir's post at all. You're so right.

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR

what the hell are you talking about, Kate

she's mad at geir's nay-nay

But I guess the most interesting thing here is the poll results anyway, not our posts

almost OTM but the results won't be interesting either.

joeks, bruv... ffs!

hi i am a man

i am extremely angry i won't be satified until you write a formal letter of apology to geir's cooter

because you know guys outnumber girls by a long way?
xxx-post

geir's cooter

http://apudgeisasandwich.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/akafishtaco.jpg

^^photoshop assignment

i will pass

i'm suggest banning everyone on this thread--FYI

just as well really

"Male 4EVA!!!!"

dont be so sure.

is Tuomas getting unbanned before this poll closes?

he's banned? wtf

he got 51 suggest bans on a thread he was on

yeah, gabbneb and ethan too

x-post

and dom

because we don't already have enough threads about suggest bans going...

Um. It's been really interesting hanging out on other boards to see how they handle things. It's been really interesting, and really weird.

other boards im on usually have far worse people on it than on ilx.

and its not all boys on that particular board either

And on the few other boards I post on regularly, I've never seen anyone complaining that it's a boys club or that girls are too scared to post on it. That's peculiar to ILX it seems.

Well, of the other boards I'm on...

Board 1 has pretty much been destroyed by one individual that the mods either can't or won't do anything about - lots of old time users have been driven off by the antics of this individual, there was a forum poll to vote him off - he stays. And the forum has changed - much for the negative, I think.

Board 2 - maybe they're all so pilled up, but it's just a complete and total love fest and I've never been anywhere so friendly and welcoming. There are brief spats, but people really work to sort them out, there's no dogpiling on to egg on an argument, it's more like people actually try to actively get others to work through/forget their differences. Lovely.

Board 3 - 90% teenage girls and 90% lovely - except for the one teenage boy, who just happens to be moderator and behaves, well, like every teenage boy in the world and actively creates fights then bans anyone who disagrees with him.

So... not sure what those brief descriptions say.

i'm going to check with my wife as to how i should, if indeed, answer this question.

that teenage boys are annoying?
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Why is ILM almost exclusively male?

Board No.2 was the one where there was the long-running joke that there were no girls.

In fact, for the longest time, everyone though I was male - despite talking quite often about cock and boys I thought were hot, the usual Kate stuff - it was actually easier for them to believe that "wow, we thought you were just really REALLY camp!" than to accept that a girl had got into the inner sanctum.

But then, once I came out as being female, there turned out to be several other women on the board.

ILX does just have a particularly... masculine flavour all its own. I can't really put my finger on it. But it does just have a kind of... atmosphere at times that is really unpleasant. And I don't encounter on other forums.

ILX in general or ILM? As I've always thought of ILE as being 50/50.

x-post to Kerr

The person having such a bad influence on Board 1 is male, but he's in his 30s so I don't know why he acts the way he does.

I suppose it really is down to individuals. It's not even that one individual can destroy a board, but more than one person can create a poisonous atmosphere by setting a standard that it's somehow OK to act in a certain way. And then more and more people act in a negative manner, and if that goes unchecked, and it drives off the more positive people, a board can tip.

double-x-post yeah, sorry - ILM.

It's also really, really funny, having this conversation with that BTWS quote as my screen name. Perhaps I should change it back, because it is making me LOL too much.

NO MORE VAGINA 4 U!!!

(Did that just win me, like, 10 suggest bans?)

okay speaking for myself here, i'm not particularly offended or revolted by ilm-ers making penis jokes or whatever. knock yourselves out. but somehow whenever a girl starts talking about the hotness of male musicians, immediately someone else and it's invariably a dude, goes "ugh stop, you're grossing me out" (cf the balearic dudes thread/the patrick wolf thread).

i'm not as overt about my googly-eyedness as kate is but i fucking hate that people pick on her when i personally don't find anything she says worse than what ilm dudes say about beyonce's ass. like grow up already. women have periods, get wet, have vaginas and orgasms, find certain male musicians really that fucking hott alright? get over it.

also it is lol that this thread that wondered why ilm was a boys club almost immediately devolved into dick jokes.

Kate, Why do you think ILM is so male?
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it's more lol that it was Geir who started the jokes!

huh. i guess i never got that vibe that girlz couldn't say stuff about dudes being hot on ILM thing.

okay speaking for myself here, i'm not particularly offended or revolted by ilm-ers making penis jokes or whatever. knock yourselves out. but somehow whenever a girl starts talking about the hotness of male musicians, immediately someone else and it's invariably a dude, goes "ugh stop, you're grossing me out" (cf the balearic dudes thread/the patrick wolf thread).

+1

whenever a girl starts talking about the hotness of male musicians, immediately someone else and it's invariably a dude, goes "ugh stop, you're grossing me out"

really?! wtf

yes. search those threads out for yourselves, i can't be fucked.

I guess the Paul Simon/Lou Reed/Steely Dan threads I frequent are not all that likely to incur a lot of female ogling lolz

jordan s. hates women, he said cool kids were better than shawnna on the autogoon thread.

Though I do think that that sentiment is specifically anti-Kate, rather than generally anti-women.

I mean, my general goggle-eyedness is something that's kind of... a reaction against lots of the music industry in general. Growing up as a female musician in an overwhelmingly male music world, you have to develop a certain level of toughness, and a kind of "having bigger balls than the men" attitude. Also, it's like... when I was younger and actually attractive, these were the kinds of things that were said about *ME* - as a woman before I was ever treated as an artist. So it was like, either, I had to get out, or just accept it and throw it back at people. If it's OK for fans, journos, critics, random strangers to talk about *me* onstage in that way, why shouldn't I be able to talk about *male* musicians (especially the supposedly "Serious" ones) IN THE SAME MANNER?

But, like I said, that's specifically anti-Kate because most women don't talk that way in public (they may FEEL it, but they've learned not to express it, because, in order to be taken seriously as a female music fan, you have to kind of... neuter yourself in order not to be cast into the groupie-stereotype.)

Why I think ILM is so overwhelmingly male? this is going to be a controversial answer, and I'm not going to qualify or debate it, but I do think that it's down to the poisonous attitude of a handful of posters who made it a pretty... icky place to be (let alone to be as a woman).

I've got a fairly thick hide most of the time, so I can shrug a great deal of it off (it's funny how people think I have such a hair trigger, considering the amount of stuff I do manage to just ignore - but hey, people never notice the times you *keep* your temper) - but a lot of women *are* put off by that kind of thing.

Well, I guess I've missed the worst of what Kate's talking about. Not saying it hasn't happened, either I didn't see it or it passed me by.

I think Geir's 'joke' was pretty revolting, but hey ho.

what the fuck is anyone fucking talking about. specific examples or stfu

but somehow whenever a girl starts talking about the hotness of male musicians, immediately someone else and it's invariably a dude, goes "ugh stop, you're grossing me out" (cf the balearic dudes thread/the patrick wolf thread).

Let's stop pretending this is a girl thing, rather than a Kate thing. Whenever this has come up in the past, it's not because the guys on the board are threatened by female sexuality, it's because Kate describes her desire in language that's frequently graphic/TMI. People are objecting for the same reasons they've objected to L0uis J@gger's odes to his own tumescence.

Though I do think that that sentiment is specifically anti-Kate, rather than generally anti-women.

Oh good, you agree.

...and also... sorry, I am RANTING here, I know it, but I've got a lot of thoughts pent up at the moment, and if you want to suggest ban me for expressing them, well, perhaps I'll get more work done.

But... you get the ILX that you create with what you choose to give attention to. I said this the other day - you know, when I revive a thread with a perfectly straightforward request for information, no one even answers. When I get on a thread and start going "OMG OMG, EROL ALKAN - WET DREAM, WOULD TOTALLY HIT THAT - AW YEAH SPACE ELECTRO VAGINAS ROWR..." then suddenly I get dozens of replies. Sure, most of them will be negative, but at least it's some kind of reply.

(However, after I did point that out, I got a whole lot of really good, helpful replies - specifically on the James Holden/minimal techno thread. So I don't know if that works with all ILM GURLS or just Kates, but you know, more actual conversation and YouTube links means less provocative behaviour to try and get a reaction?)

Actually this board, of the five or so that I'm on that are relatively active, has the most visible and largest number of female contributors. The other four are dedicated to more "difficult" music.

Board 1: predominantly local/regional - 2nd most active female contributors, has the positive and negative aspects of a board where a lot of people know each other in real life and see each other at gigs: there are real life consequences to being an asshole or an idiot online, and there are the natural schisms and beefs of a local scene. Minimal trolling. Moderator is an employee of the entity that hosts the board.

Board 2: somewhat local - younger age demographic than Board 1. One moderator can be a serious bully, but has mellowed a bit as of late. Posts deemed offensive to moderator will get deleted, and several people have been banned for having beefs with moderator, including one ex-gf of moderator. Moderator has multiple sock puppet accounts. A significant number of women are members, but don't post nearly as much as dudes. Periodic dysfunctional butthurtedness. Minimal trolling due to active moderation.

Board 3: international - most posters are over 30 and male and seem like well-adjusted people that like to nerd out about weird music. Used to be set up to allow easy sockpuppetry, but registration measures have become stricter. Sockpuppets were even pretty well-mannered. Highly articulate flamewars and responses to the minimal trolling.

Board 4: international - almost entirely male, posts get regularly deleted and moved for being "off-topic." Lots of arguments where language barrier plays a significant role. Posts removed for criticism of a musician hero-worshipped by most of the board. Lacking in the sense of humor department.

Let's stop pretending this is a girl thing, rather than a Kate thing. Whenever this has come up in the past, it's not because the guys on the board are threatened by female sexuality, it's because Kate describes her desire in language that's frequently graphic/TMI. People are objecting for the same reasons they've objected to L0uis J@gger's odes to his own tumescence

Except they FUCKING WELL DON'T when it's the usual low-level ILM bullshit of talking about Beyonce's ass or having a wank over the new Bat For Lashes album cover?

Do you not see how that kind of constant thing could start to put women off? Or at least piss us off?

When there's about 20 posts in a row about what Natasha Khan looks like before there's a word said about her music? FFS...

jaymc otm

Periodic dysfunctional butthurtedness

this is like one of those side-effects listed in pharmaceutical ads

Actually, yet again, I think Roz is OTM. I can't be bothered with this.

xp Shakey: some it is related to pharmaceutical use.

Board 1: predominantly local/regional - 2nd most active female contributors, has the positive and negative aspects of a board where a lot of people know each other in real life and see each other at gigs: there are real life consequences to being an asshole or an idiot online, and there are the natural schisms and beefs of a local scene. Minimal trolling. Moderator is an employee of the entity that hosts the board.

1)
yeah this is like the other board i go to, way too different when like you know 70 percent of the ppl IRL.

2)
i would be curious to hear if other women outside of roz or kate have this problem? cuz i guess i could see the board being a little knuckleheaded but it doesn't strike me as like macho central exactly.

3)i told mark bronson he didn't have soul because he didn't like beyonce's ass today. if anyone took this the wrong way i'm sorry.

talking about Beyonce's ass or having a wank over the new Bat For Lashes album cover?

I am completely oblivious to this type of thing (but again I guess I am reading the wrong threads cuz no one writes this way about Bonnie Koloc or whoever)

Anyone who gets even slightly weirded out by any woman talking about how hott this or that musician is is a pretty pitiful specimen IMO.

sometimes i get the sneaking suspicion my wife thinks brad pitt is cuet.

Most other fora & lists Im on (analog synthesisers & music studio shit mainly) are 100% boys clubs so even ILM seems more gender balanced to me. the only other forum that has a visible no of female posters is the classic movie forum i frequent and no-one bats an eyelid when someone rowrs at Richard Barthelmess or George O'Brien or who the fuck ever.

(I'm male BTW. I'm as manly as fuck, actually. Also a bit loaded right now)

yeah even if the ire is just directed at kate, it's just annoying as a woman who reads this board to see a whole bunch of guys pick on another woman for something as innocuous as ogling a dude, no matter how graphically detailed - especially when, as kate says, there are just loads and loads of threads with guys doing the exact same thing. and girls don't give you grief about it because quite honestly, we don't fucking care who gives you a boner.

there are other reasons why ilm is female-unfriendly aside from this i guess but it's the reason why it seems particularly unfriendly to me right now.

I'd just like to point out that no one is getting all "UGH GO AWAY" about the guys that Laurel or the schef or ENBB are posting on WS 09.

Also:
talking about Beyonce's ass or having a wank over the new Bat For Lashes album cover

I'd guess that most of this discourse is largely jokey, whereas most of your drooling posts seem quite earnest. I'm not going to claim that the jokiness makes it OK (i.e., I can see how a woman could find the language off-putting and even threatening), but I think it explains the difference in how people react to those posts vs. yours.

trying to work out how to fit the word "tuomascence" into all this

I'd guess that most of this discourse is largely jokey, whereas most of your drooling posts seem quite earnest.

1) are they really? Can a casual (female) reader tell that? and 2) are you sure? 99% of the time when I'm lusting after some boy, I'm usually laughing my head off, both at myself and the phenomenon of fandom. Why do read earnestness into one situation, and not the other? That says a lot more about you, and your prejudices that it does about me.

And now, in order to calm me down, and also to provide a lovely and female-welcoming environment, here, let's all enjoy the fabulous spectacle of the MOST BEAUTIFUL PAIR OF HANDS IN THE WORLD TODAY. And now I'm going to get offline and have a relaxing beverage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/hisori/random/2513833760_43291b3d3f_b.jpg

p.s. that is a joke. (though yes, those hands are actually beautiful)
p.p.s. please don't lock this thread before the results are in, no matter how much people hate me.

I think I manage to avoid the threads of potentially offensive sexual objectification of women on ILM. I run into it more on ILE on movie threads. It doesn't bother me when that's the subject of the thread. At most, it gets kinda annoying and boring, when not accompanied by LOLs. The thing that bugged me the most (in terms of things that tend to offend "feminine sensibilities") was the bullying and ridicule of other posters for what appeared to be no good reason, other than LOL. I didn't understand why so many people were picking on L0u1s. Now that I've been here a little while, I can understand a little better, but I think it's kinda mean. He seems like a good kid.

i don't think that's even remotely comparable given that the whole point of WS is to drool over beautiful people. this was about ILM specifically anyway. xxp

Kate, that was just conjecture. I don't really follow many of the threads you're on. (I just looked up the Patrick Wolf one to see what Roz was talking about.) In any case, you're probably right that it's not quite as simple as I'm making it sound.

there's lots of hott dudes in the 77 ws thread, and the whole ILM rap scene is hella bisexual nowadaze

yeh, of the <25 y/o ILX regs, 80% are bisexual or gay iirc

there's a poppage goin' on

i don't think that's even remotely comparable given that the whole point of WS is to drool over beautiful people.

I was just trying to combat the broad claim that the men of ILX are put off by expressions of female desire. If that were true, then surely WS would've turned into a clusterfuck long ago.

Anyway, I feel bad arguing with you about this, Roz, since I've recently been thinking about how much I like your presence on ILX.

oh em gee flir-ting! *giggles*

stop it^^

you're just uncomfortable with british ppl expressing their sexuality

hahah

Geir's not British.

WHO IS YOUR BIGGEST MUSICAL CRUSH? - I think this thread is a good example of how girls & boys, both gay and straight, can all pool together for some sexytalk & enjoy each others' company whilst not stepping on toes, etc.

He's a robot with a growth it seems

just fyi if i was going to rank shit i found gross i would rank it thusly--

1) geirs post about his growth
2) l0u1s jagg3rs far too wordy j/o post
3) anything kate has ever said no matter how gushy it is
4) "ur v v pretty btw" or any creepy variation on wdyll

An important ranking.

tbh, I always thought there were a lot more women posting on ILM than there apparently is...

I think there may be a lot of female lurkers.

max, re: WDYLL threads: are you suggesting that the girls calling the boys "cute" should be off-limits, or is just the other way around?

once all this silliness has defused, i have but one serious message to ILX: live and let live

eh no big deal jaymc.

fwiw i don't think kate's posts are earnest at all - she's not literally having an orgasm right there and then guys. in fact, they're pretty funny (to me anyway) until someone comes in and tells her she's gross.

honestly though if anyone thinks her style is TMI, hang out at a TV fan board sometime where the regulars are 80% young girls (especially if it's one dedicated to a CW TV show starring generically good-looking actors) - this is how fangirls usually behave and express appreciation for the opposite sex and there's nothing gross or creepy about it at all. it's just funny and somewhat endearing.

oh so it's okay for a grown adult to act like a young girl?

FFS Que.

"So it's ok for..." is the kind of argument my 10yo son uses!

i think my point stands

should've clarified that it's not just young girls but fangirls of every age. maybe there's an argument that it's not appropriate to replicate that behaviour on ilm but it's still baffling to see some guys get really riled up about it.

max, re: WDYLL threads: are you suggesting that the girls calling the boys "cute" should be off-limits, or is just the other way around?

― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:39 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think we should stop complimenting each other about anything it makes me sick

l0u1s jagg3r is the fucking worst, closely followed by callum (RIP)

after looking at that Patrick Wolf (who? lolz I R old) thread it seems like most of the problem was cutty.

lj is harmless

cutty is always a problem

I was crushing on old-school Hillary Clinton (in her Twenties) -- probably because she resembles my supremely attractive friend Erin (who, despite liking me, is with someone else right now and so she's horribly unattainable). Goodness gracious, I'm an absolute sucker for blondes these days. But after dropping by a bookstore yesterday where my long-time friend Molly (who is not a blonde, mind you) works -- oh goodness, she's always stunning but yesterday I really wanted to pounce on her because she looked so exceptionally scrumptious (without even trying!) and was just so bubbly and charming. I wanted to playfully tackle her behind the counter and from there on it would've been wonderfully inappropriate! Anyhow, she's invited me along to dinner and some other event with a group of her friends on Friday -- it's not a date essentially, but at heart I wouldn't mind if it twisted into one. Ooh, I just remembered that she complimented my appearance! No-one ever does that! Squee! Cuddlestein Mountain! Nuvvieworld! Okay, I'm just getting ridiculous -- I'm just excited because it's a prospect to escape social poverty with a possible hint of romance. I'm probably being too optimistic; I can't help it! I've wanted something to look forward to!

^^^ for the record, this is probably one of the top ten posts ever made on this board

"probably"

i would say, "unquestionably"

lol where the hell's that from?

yeah srsly i posted on a cricket board for ages (until permaban ;_; for calling someone an imbecile ;_; ;_;) and the lady posters there often took their obsessions to quite amusing lengths, for instance videotaping their favourite players and watching the tapes on playback as if by osmosis they'd gain a deeper comprehension of those players' beings.....they were never called out, and rightly so, because they weren't compromising or abusing anyone

i r-m, for instance, was kinda heroic

in a sentence-by-sentence poll i'm voting "wonderfully inappropriate" fwiw

Roz, it's from here: The All New Summer Crush 2005 thread

oh so it's okay for a grown adult to act like a young girl?

this is just begging for NSFW images.

^^^ for the record, this is probably one of the top ten posts ever made on this board - and this from a man calling himself "call of the taint."

also how Shakey can say that after I was the only one who had his back about A Scanner Darkly (movie)...disappointed

lol i r-m, should've guessed.

someone link me to these threads that got locked when talked gravitated towards vaginas

how is it something like that could get banned, but not the wall-o-vag?

return to cuddlestein mountain

er "locked," not banned..

Goddammit, everytime someone writes that phrase, I hear it to the tune of Richard & Linda Thompson's "Wall of Death".

let me take my chances....

one is the patrick wolf thread.

the other is this: How does the listeners of Balearic/Space Disco look like? which in the girls' defense, we seriously thought was a joke thread.

at least you ladies will always have the fake nudes of rappers thread.

I think a lot of ILX posters probably do have an aversion to fangirlish rhetoric (I have trouble reading Lost threads on the Television Without Pity forums for this reason), but the I R-M post underscores for me that it need not be limited to posts from women.

this whole thing is bizarre. taking that patrick wolf thread and the balearic space disco thread as "typical" of ILM is like saying Mike Tyson is a "typical" boxer

in fairness, everyone's lens onto the boards is going to be different and if you happen to have a high strike rate for contentious threads, it's going to color your impression just as much as if you happen to have a high strike rate for re-enactments of cuddlestein mountain

now i've got "wolverton mountain" by claude king in my head.

it's the vehemence of it. like i said, i don't care about guys drooling over chicks on this board, i just wish that no one would pick on girls just for drooling over dudes. look i just happened to be on two threads within the span of a month where this happened to kate.

I'm going to ignore the clusterfuck and say a) a boy b) bat for lashes looks like she's been severely abused on that cover, so, just no and c) gots no problem with ridiculous over the top urges unless they turn sinister or whatever.

also how Shakey can say that after I was the only one who had his back about A Scanner Darkly (movie)...disappointed

wait... am I confusing louis with someone else? what happened I am confused

ok not related but it was mentioned upthread and i see it mentioned here and there, but waht's 77? (i'm a relatively infrequent ILX poster)

invite only board

lolz nobody likes me

well i dunno shakey...we've pretty much never interacted on ILX so i find it hard to see why you'd harbour such strong feelings...they're certainly not reciprocated

bat for lashes looks like she's been severely abused on that cover, so, just no

For the record, I looked on the Bat for Lashes thread and also in search and can't find anyone saying anything about wanking over the cover. Most of the discussion is about whether it's a good design or not; the only comment that's even about her appearance is someone saying that she's "absolutely gorgeous."

I think I have perhaps confused louis w/the lex

how could you possibly do that, Shakey??

loool

eh all you britishes look alike haha

I will say is that it's not even the graphic/TMIness so much as the frequency. Anyone doing the same OTT self-indulgent/attention-seeking schtick over and over for years will annoy people (not all people obv, just a certain number - and not all men i know this for fact), regardless of the subject.

Also Natasha Khan is cute or whatever but taking your top off for your album cover just seems so cliched and pandering to certain expectations you shouldn't be surprised if it increases sexual objectification of her instead of more discussion of the music.

waow I just read through that Space Disco thread...why is that 'moonship journey to baja' guy trying so hard to convince everyone that (s?)he's a petty little maladjusted peckerhead?

that thread was just a fucking abomination from the start - car crash inevitable

^^ as opposed to this one?

I've a feeling males are more inclined to vote in polls.

I voted 'I Am Female'

God and that Ban Moka thread...this whole thread has for me been like a portal deep into the ILX heart of inner fugliness...Pillbox was the gatekeeper with that weird Jackson-tranny comment, and it's not got any better since then...

I read all the old threads about gender that got revived or linked today. This thread, like all of those feels, reads like a novel where important plot points are left out.

Was the wiener joke in the fourth response here really bothersome, or is something deleted? Mind my own business time.

I'm a male and the other board I post at is boring lately. Probably because I am lurking and making occasional worthless comments here instead of there. The music aspect of that site has also been accused of being a boys club.

- am outraged and insulted that shakey mo mistook me for lj. ffs. not even funny
- roz otm x 10000 in this thread. it's funny that the ones who are so quick to declare their problems with kate never consider that they are the ones with the problem

i think they may consider that they have a problem and that is being irritated by someone's behaviour.

same as when people have a go at you, or marcello, or tuomas, or louis, or dom - whatever the reason may be

are you arguing their side for the sake of it?

xp blueski: or Geir

Yet again, ILM utterly and totally misses the point re: gender.

Someone asks the question "why are there so few females on ILM?"

Woman 1 pipes up to say "well, actually I feel, as a woman, quite put off by the way that this forum has dogpiled on hating Woman 2" and then ILM goes on to have a 163 post thread - dogpiling on the hate of Woman 2.

Anyway, whatever. This is so tedious and nothing ever gets learned, just the same old tired feuds get rehashed out yet again. At least I managed to finish my Finding Ada Lovelace post in time.

multi-xpost if you are aggravated with a thread, stay out of it

(for all of the high-n-mighty ham-handedness I've displayed on this thread as of late--sorry--I do find this thread oddly fascinating...it's just everybody was getting their knickers in a bunch over Masonic Boom's behaviour, so I was expecting really groos-out putrid stuff, and then reading through her posts, it was like just innocent drooling...)

Someone asks the question "why are there so few females on ILM?"

Woman 1 pipes up to say "well, actually I feel, as a woman, quite put off by the way that this forum has dogpiled on hating Woman 2" and then ILM goes on to have a 163 post thread - dogpiling on the hate of Woman 2.

hmm strictly speaking this is not what happened but whatevs

I think Women 1 and 2 are mistaken in believing that the treatment of Woman 2 is really to do with her being a woman. Too much playing of the gender card.

Lest I be accused of sexism I would like it to be made unequivocally clear I am equally disgusted by all of you right now.

OK I realize that "growing" may not have been the correct term here, but nevermind ;)

Dude, put your winky away.

lol

oh um turns out blueski answered all my posts before I even posted them...

who's doing what now?

remember donna? she seemed pretty rad.

please do not post about the winky so close to mentions of "cuddlestein mountain" - that just brings up too many disturbing images.

jess & dominique too, but those hoes were mostly just eye candy

lol I had totally forgotten that Geir's wang was at the root of all this.

thought he was referring to a hernia

nevermind blueski I got confused

omg this thread sucks wtf people just vote and move on already jesus

I voted female.

Take that, prescribed gender roles.

btw ur v pretty

in a sentence-by-sentence poll i'm voting "wonderfully inappropriate" fwiw

― Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:49 PM (1 hour ago)

WELL HERES YOUR CHANCE

SQUEEEEEEE! poll

already noted, dude :D

remember donna? she seemed pretty rad.

― Reege & Leif (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:20 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

still posts as "Morley Timmons"

she is quite rad btw

btw no-one seems to be grossed out or piling on anybody on this thread, from what i can tell

old to semi-old celebrities you would travel back in time to have lots of sex with.

so make of that what you will

I've got a lot of thoughts pent up at the moment, and if you want to suggest ban me for expressing them, well, perhaps I'll get more work done.

well, if u insist

I am female but my own general avoidance of posting on ILM is usually because I either feel I don't have anything to contribute to a thread, or that when I do, someone else has already said it more eloquently... or, just that my knowledge of something isn't very good compared to other people's. I definitely lurk on some of the more thought-provoking ILM threads, though. A more accurate/revealing poll may have put an option for people of each gender who lurk but don't often post.

Also, that Julia Roberts gif had me giggling for way too long.

whats with girls and lurking? be a man, say something stupid ever once in a while.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2009/03/seacrest-high-five.jpg

(apparently the guy to the left of seacrest is blind.. i just now read this)

Well, the results of the poll are going to be useless now that a lot of fucking dicks have said that they are planning on lying.

It is impossible to have a constructive debate about gender on ILX.

I'm beginning (what do you mean beginning?) to realise that it's impossible to have a constructive debate about *anything* on ILX. It's impossible to talk about any kind of actual real issues when people just use anything as an excuse to vent on personal feuds, vendettas, etc. But I've known this for a long time. (And I'm certainly not innocent.)

So there's the impasse. You either deal with ILM the way that it is, or you move on and go somewhere less... hostile. So you can't be surprised if women choose to do the latter.

I am a child really. Haven't developed any sex yet. Let alone reason or rhyme. Or articulate speech of the heart. Or willingness to vote.

You either deal with ILM the way that it is, or you move on and go somewhere less... hostile. So you can't be surprised if women choose to do the latter.

I don't think that a disproportionate number of women have left ilx (or indeed ilm)? it's never exactly felt as if there was a great oestrogen exodus. ILM's always skewed male; it doesn't feel any more male than it did four, five years ago.

fwiw I have never really had a problem being female on ilm! I like ilm more than ile! But then I'm fairly thick-skinned (...fairly), have little time to post, and basically just want to find out things about records.

TBH Kate this debate would have been a lot more constructive had you not almost immediately come in and made it a thread about you. I look around ILX and see constructive debates happening all the time, some of them even involving you!

http://www.alicebag.com/ducking.jpg

ILM, circa 2 weeks ago

And yes the people who immediately jumped on you take a big chunk of the blame as well. And this is someone who AGREES with the basic point you and Roz are making, but you in particular expressed yourself in such an instantly hyper-defensive and accusatory way that it's hardly surprising the whole thing veered into this.

ie it's exactly the same method of arguing that causes people to jump on Marcello when he makes one of his grand pronouncements, even when he is essentially right.

I can understand if you read it that way, because, obviously, if you have a negative opinion of someone, you are going to read negativity into everything they say or do - but I did not make this thread about me.

But that's ILX, you try to discuss your own personal experiences in an attempt to extrapolate, of course you're going to open yourself up to overtly personal nastiness. (It's really not very nice, and actually, quite upsetting on a very personal level to have your entire personality dismissed as "schtick" by someone with a long term dislike of you, but hey, I don't think it's appropriate to air that here so I just won't.)

No, you're right, it's not like there's been a "massive female exodus" (though I do recall it being a bit more gender balanced in the very early days) - but it's more like... I have tried to turn so many of my girlfriends onto ILM. Women who love music and have a lot to say. It's more like they stick their heads in the door, and just kind of turn off and walk away without posting, or lurking at best. And they do say (about 4 or 5 different women have said this to me at different time) that the atmosphere of nastiness is one of the biggest reasons.

But I am so tired of this whole subject, and though, hey, it's "just ILX" I have genuinely been hurt and upset by some of the things that people have said about me on this thread, so enough.

I don't think it's appropriate to air that here so I just won't

except you just did

(things in brackets don't count)

i mean maybe we should do a poll on 'It is impossible to have a constructive debate about gender anything on ILX' and see how many people vote yes. i just think comments like that are absurd and nothing to do with "long-term dislike" or whatever excuse has been cooked up to explain why two people might strongly disagree about something.

It depends on what you consider 'constructive'.

Few debates end up changing anyone's mind about anything, the best they can achieve is to highlight something missed and/or unnoticed.

If the place is a bear pit, the bears aren't going to notice.

fwiw i did say that there are prob other reasons why ilm skews highly male, despite its openness and the breadth of knowledge available here. i hate to generalize about this, but it seems that girls are mostly just less aggressive about music they like/dislike, less prone to completist tendencies, less inclined to get involved in musical one-upmanship and so on. and you have to admit that ilm snark veers close to outright meanness and bullying at times - all of this would be intimidating to most people, but i'm guessing to women especially considering that there isn't that many of us here in the first place.

i just picked on the one reason that really bugged me - which is that the last few times that me and Kate started a mostly innocent and fun conversation about hot male musicians, someone came in and accused her of being gross and creepy, when nothing she had said had struck me as being particularly offensive, especially when compared to similar things said by other ilm-ers about female artists. it might just be directed at her or her personal posting style, but the way it happened and what was said was hugely annoying and made me feel like in order to be here we need to keep our female libidos in check all the time. which again, isn't fair.

and one more time, lol @ this thread devolving immediately into dick jokes (started by Geir, of all people) - i guess that prob made the entire discussion that followed a moot point.

again Roz, just look at the old to semi-old celebrities you would travel back in time to have lots of sex with. thread for evidence that there is no real policing against female libidos or whatever. it is just down to the difference between saying it and shouting it repeatedly.

sexual objectification or romanticising of female artists on ILM tends to be blunt but thankfully brief, even reduced to "ws" perhaps because most guys know people don't actually want to read them going into detail about it or be encouraged to picture them in the act. some examples might be useful in the argument tho.

i'm just trying to explain why this perceived unjust imbalance may be felt.

but that's my point. i'm not sure she was shouting it repeatedly at all. and yes i know there's threads like that one and WS08/09 where it's free ogling for all - ergo, there's also no reason for people to pick on her (or any girl at all) for getting extra fangirly when patrick wolf shows up in his new video half-naked in bondage gear.

it's just like saying there's no reason to pick on Bimble, or Geir, or whoever really. People have very different ideas and expectations of what is reasonable to object to or behaviour-wise - can't say one is more right than another most of the time ergo there will be fites.

some people are more prone to repeatedly object to others' peccadilloes in a dickish, bullying, potentially hurtful manner though - and that is far worse than being overly enthusiastic à la bimble, or whatever it is about kate that people object to - and that is the point here

roz again otm

i mean, what is worse, kate lusting after boys in that balearic thread, or the bullying pile-on which resulted in one perfectly fine poster leaving and the ensuing clusterfuck? who are you really defending her?

*here

exactly. and btw i'm generally opposed to picking on bimble and geir too cause both of them are pretty harmless to me. i'm just trying to explain why picking on kate in particular for being enthusiastic about dudes might be annoying or off-putting for other female ILM-ers.

I think Geir seems to enjoy the banter though - and there's never any malice involved.
Whereas the responses to Kate's enthusiasm are often quite nasty.

Still not sure what Kate is supposed to have done wrong though, I've never seen any post from her which I'd object to.

too many "though"s, soz.

Bimble's comments on the prostitution thread over on ILE were the ickiest and most offputtingly creepy thing I've read on here since the last Heave Ho ban*, but different strokes I suppose. Or maybe the defenders just didn't see it, I dunno.

*Haha that was only last week but still, we are trying.

i don't think anyone's denying that kate's a marmite poster and that this isn't partly a kate thing (but also partly a general female thing - or at least an anti-fangirl rhetoric thing, which isn't limited to females and which not all females do - people who object to fangirlism can suck a dick and grow up though). it's that they don't seem to be able to move along and skip over her posts, but instead gang up on her in a particularly nasty way wherever possible and whatever she posts. that is really cuntish, immature behaviour.

I agree but it isn't really hugely different to what people do to, say, LJ or Tuomas, one of whom seems to provoke a similar, ahem, visceral reaction in certain posters not a million miles away from here.

Louis is similar to Geir - he's actually well liked and enjoys the banter as far as I can tell

Thought people were cruel to Tuomas & never understood why. (seems we don't like people who wear their hearts on their sleeves?)

Basically I wish this board was always 50% female and they posted however they wanted, so we wouldn't have to go thru this shit every time.

think both comparison are unfair to tuomas, tbh, without prejudice to either of the other posters.

tuomas never had the habit of turning every thread he posted on into a thread about him, although his ... persistence obviously grated on enough people in the end.

I don't know who you mean by this "we". It is entirely down to individuals as mentioned upthread. I think it's pretty difficult to deny there are certain posters who regularly throw around misogynistic comments, some of whom have been banned recently.

But at the same time ILX as a whole has a higher proportion of prominent female posters than most other web communities I've been a part of. And one of the quickest ways to alienate people here is to perv or creep over female posters as we've seen time and time again. There's a problem but it's a lot more nuanced than this thread seems to suggest.

yeah i don't deny that it's partly a kate thing (as it might be partly a tuomas thing or a geir thing) but again, it was more about why picking on her the way some guys do would be offputting to girls on ilm in general.

some people did a similar thing re tuomas ie missing the point behind why people had a problem with it. even he himself re suggest bans didn't seem to get that it wasn't what he was saying that people objected to generally, but the way he went about it (pedantic, needling, that lack of self-awareness thing). that's how i saw it anyway.

It's not just offputting to girls though - I know as many male as well as female posters who have been put off by a poisonous atmosphere here at times. But yes I totally see your point.

I guess what I'm saying is, are there misogynists here - yes almost certainly. Is misogyny a problem across the community as a whole? Probably not. (xpost)

speaking of tuomas, can he be unbanned now pls? i imagine he would have had some worthwhile contributions to make on this scintillating thread.

although they probably would have led to him being sugbanned again. :-/

i think the thing about Tuomas is that sometimes other people would turn the thread into a thread about him, at least for a while? and if you're just skimming it's hard to tell who's doing it, you just notice that the thread's become about Tuomas, again. And the same with Kate, often - it isn't just Kate's original posts that make the thread "about her", it's the kneejerk reactions and the way she responds to those reactions. but then sometimes it doesn't happen - as with eg the border community thread revive, which was totally civil and fun.

yeah i was just answering the original question (why is ilm so male-skewed?) and honed in on the one thing that's bugged me lately. there are other reasons obvs which i elaborated already a bit upthread.

xpost to mattdc

yeah definitely, same with louis too. fault/blame-wise i'd put it on both parties (them and the people who take the bait, so to speak) equally. xp

i think the thing about Tuomas is that sometimes other people would turn the thread into a thread about him, at least for a while? and if you're just skimming it's hard to tell who's doing it, you just notice that the thread's become about Tuomas, again.

Tuomas has/had a tendency to ask for clarification on a relatively ditzy something and instead of just answering him or ignoring, people would rile themselves up and accuse him of trolling and bring on the very clusterfuck they believed him to be responsible for.

or, everyone otm.

free the finnish one imo

free the helsinki clueless

Louis is similar to Geir - he's actually well liked and enjoys the banter as far as I can tell

Thought people were cruel to Tuomas & never understood why. (seems we don't like people who wear their hearts on their sleeves?)

The thing is, though, as a new person or potential ilx-or, while the target of some of the bullying and nastiness might be okay with it or enjoy it as banter, without that context, it could be perceived as pretty cruel. One of the things mentioned by women in the older gender-representation thread, that both Kate and Roz bring up is feeling like you have to be really careful how you present yourself and what you say for fear of being an object of ridicule - either the subject of an argument or opinion about music or details of your personal life. This isn't to say that the women are more sensitive about this than the men, the common sentiment was that it wasn't really worth the grief, in the "I have better things to do" sense.

That said, this thread doesn't really read like a pile-on Kate. Besides making fun of or being grossed out by oversharing of other posters that aren't Kate, most of the people responding hadn't read the threads Kate was upset by, me included.

Tuomas has/had a tendency to ask for clarification on a relatively ditzy something and instead of just answering him or ignoring, people would rile themselves up and accuse him of trolling and bring on the very clusterfuck they believed him to be responsible for.

Clusterfuck means something besides group sex? </tuomas>

Bimble's comments on the prostitution thread over on ILE were the ickiest and most offputtingly creepy thing I've read on here since the last Heave Ho ban

um dude if ur going to have a prostitution thread...

this thread really needs the guy that started that thread

fwiw I am a woman and I wouldn't feel comfortable posting on a community that didn't aggressively run off people who step out of line

Who started the prostitution thread Fergalina?

that one guy with all those healthy attitudes, I forget his name

shaddap you dizzy dames

you have to be really careful how you present yourself and what you say for fear of being an object of ridicule

this is nothing to do with gender, like much of the rest of this thread.

Back in 2001, as the internet boom turned into a bust, M.I.T.’s Quarterly Journal of Economics published an intriguing paper called “Boys Will Be Boys: Gender, Overconfidence, and Common Stock Investment.” The authors, Brad Barber and Terrance Odean, gained access to the trading activity in over 35,000 households, and used it to compare the habits of men and women. What they found, in a nutshell, is that men not only trade [post?] more often than women but do so from a false faith in their own financial [musical?] judgment. Single men traded less sensibly than married men, and married men traded less sensibly than single women: the less the female presence, the less rational the approach to trading in the markets.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904?printable=true¤tPage=all
points to ponder!

Shame these results will be skewed

i didn't really vote 'woman'. i abstein.

I didn't actually vote female either, it was a joke.

i voted that you were both women

The poll is inherently biased, because "I am male" was included as the first option.

is this what you are referring to, Matt DC?

Did I mention I have a weakness for black women with big knockers?

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, March 23, 2009 11:22 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

bcz if it is, then youre an asshole...this isn't even as icky as Geir's oui-oui...

. and it still would have been better left on the thread it came from, tbh.

i am always kind of baffled by the ability of ILX to patently ignore the glaring faults of some posters behavior in favor of defending them to the death because they are put upon or supposedly victimized/bullied.

(note: sometimes they are supposedly put upon and victimized by the mods btw, before everyone gets all wound up about trying to say i am siding with "bullies" here.)

I didn't mean that particular post, no. Well, not outside the context of the post immediately above it, which either you didn't read or disingenuously ignored.

context is very important, but then you'd have to take into account the thread it's on. even so, it was maybe a little wtf but somebody's already pointed that out.

remember donna? she seemed pretty rad.

― Reege & Leif (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:20 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

still posts as "Morley Timmons"

― goodbye pork pie scarf (The Reverend), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:25 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

she is quite rad btw

― goodbye pork pie scarf (The Reverend), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:25 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man! i wish i had access to jaymc.xls i always get ppl confused

i am always kind of baffled by the ability of ILX to patently ignore the glaring faults of some posters (etc)

Why? It's not up to me to correct these 'glaring faults', I either put up or ignore them.

nice etc there, kind of implies you missed the fact that the second part of the sentence is "in favor of defending them to the death". kind of an important distinction.

i am always kind of baffled by the inability of ILX to ignore the glaring innocuity of some posters behaviour, fwiw

It's OK, Matt, the .xls is sometimes wonky.

>>does candicissima still post?

She goes by Morley Timmons now, but she posts fairly rarely.

― jaymc, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:02 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh wait, never mind, those are two different people.

― jaymc, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Because all black people look the same to me.

― jaymc, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Okay, I'm embarrassed.

― jaymc, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lolololololololololol @ poor jaymc

― HI DERE, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:07 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

xpost to jaymc: lol

on topic:

listen, if a lot of women find ILM to be offputting or too macho or unwelcoming, i guess that would really bum me out.

i've thought a lot of roz's posts on this thread were very good and interesting.

as far as the kate stuff, well, listen kate i don't know you and i wish you no ill will. but you come off as really shrill and frankly crazy sometimes on the internet.

i'm sure IRL that's not the case, and not an excuse for the sometimes visceral degree of meanness that people that have beef with you bring to the table, but i think there's a whole lot of stuff here that's not gender related, as blueski has been bringing up again and again.

i am 100% in favor of everyone ignoring posters faults if it means i dont have to suffer through any more threads of people boo-hooing some imaginary internet injustice that has befallen some nutjob because they drove a ton of people to the brink of madness by being unable to behave like a normal human being on an internet message board. just having a phone line in your house doesnt give you some inalienable right to get on the internet and act like a dick without other people saying "hey stop being a dick".

xposts obv

and hey, guess what, im not talking about any specific poster here at all so please do not rush in to defend them from my untenable wrath, ok

dude your wrath is outta control

i am like a madman with all this wrath i got

There'll be a wrath of complaints about this.

man! i wish i had access to jaymc.xls i always get ppl confused

lolz you and me both, I can't keep track of anybody. I had no idea country matters was louis for ex

http://www.gigwise.com/gallery/wrathchild.jpg

l-r jj,matt,neil, blueski

xp Are you Male or Female?

Are we human?

guess what, im not talking about any specific poster here at all (etc)

I didn't think you were. Being a mod, you have to take the POV that one 'rule' has to apply, fairly, to all.

The Glaring faults, if there are any, are relatively unimportant, and there seems to be a lot of "picking out at those faults" un-necessarily.

I'm not defending to the death, I'm just puzzled as to why this whole 'sin-bin' approach is necessary.

But then, that's just me.

you come off as really shrill (...) i think there's a whole lot of stuff here that's not gender related

And yet "shrill" is the gender-related criticism par excellence!

the women on that Wrathchild LP cover are not attractive imo

you just aren't ready for our STAKK ATTAKK

the women on that Wrathchild LP cover are not attractive imo

Typical male chauvinist attitude.

wait... those are chicks?

you come off as really shrill (...) i think there's a whole lot of stuff here that's not gender related

And yet "shrill" is the gender-related criticism par excellence!

― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah fair point.

but still.

might as well get this username in here now before it becomes nonsensical to 99% of ILXors

And yet "shrill" is the gender-related criticism par excellence!

wait I thought that was "bitchy"

fwiw I've got nothing against Kate but like M@tt I am sometimes befuddled. But her stridency isn't really any different than say, Geir or ethan's or whoever

i mean, i totally miss ethan and dom, and just for my own entertainment reasons would like to have them back, but i can't sit here and *really* say they didn't have posting styles/personalities that were going to irritate a lot of people.

ILE 'are you male or female' poll from just over a year ago

male: 69
female: 25

some people have probably changed gender within the last year, though

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/genesisladyjaye.jpg

I do not miss ethan but I doubt that surprises anybody

nope

when do the bans finish?

Looks like there is something growing out from my body down there.

http://www.infidelguy.com/images/John_McQuatto.jpg

how long til the geir photoshop?

>>ILM always being accused of being a 'Boys Club'

I don't like a boy who belongs to a club. I like a boy whose club belongs to him.

http://static.flickr.com/70/226397060_9d9cd7d863.jpg

If ILM's too aggressive for women is that definitively a bad thing? While I don't really condone any Freudian fears of female urges wrt Scandinavian house-music, I think that the heated atmosphere of ILM is kinda why most of us are here in the first place.

also <3 u on this thread Roz, give us hell!

the only sex worth joining is one that wouldn't have me as a member

i meant gender, of course, otherwise it's too true

70/30 split = more women here than I would have expected and hardly makes ILM a "boy's club"

there seemed to be more women posting here a few years back (not a huge difference, but noticeable). there are also a lot of guys who used to post on ilm who stick mostly to ile and/or other boards now.

A group of old timey ilxors did move to Live Journal a few years back.

the momusians

I dont usually read/post to ILM cause frankly, I find it really boring much of the time, and I love my music.

Also, I find these kind of hangwringing gender threads pointless, really. Who cares if theres 3 or 300 women on here. Why does it matter? You almost never hear the guys asking why theres too many guys here (OK I know Kerr started this thread but... you know).

ladies please, you're all pretty!

There's plenty of Milhouse to go round!

quite frankly don't really care if ilm has too many dudes or not (i've been long enough, haven't i?). just you know, not pissing off the few girls here too often would be nice.

i've been here*

how long have you been on ilm?

2004? been posting here longer than I have on ILE.

Goodness, Roz! I had no idea. That's how long I've been here! Anyway, Trayce OTM about this poll - I don't think the question really matters.

i secretly miss gabbnebs and momuses

Wait, I'm not in anything resembling any sort of inner circle here: Did gabbnebb get perma-banned, or is he just in abeyance? Dude was incisive, sure, but he was mostly on point about things & was a sport if you answered back when he singled you out, which is more than can be said for the zing-and-retreat tactics other aggressive posters employ. I was just curious, anyway..

I only very rarely post on ILM and it's mainly because you dudes scare the crap out of me. You take some of this shit way too seriously and I feel like whatever I say will end up sounding idiotic. I realize this is a bullshit fear but it's true.

yeah gabbneb is banned, I dunno what for exactly

xpost: (aside: hey ENBB, did you get my response to your query?) Don't be scared of the rock doods. They probably all have secret crushes on you from he WDYLL threads anyway, and would have melty hearts if you posted on their threads.

gabbneb got SB'ed, was the first to go after deeznutz actually

ENBB i sorta dont post there for the same reason except mostly it's that i have no opinions about music and i hate all those shitbirds

cankles <3

x-post - PB - I didn't get anything! Resend?

will do.

is webmail working again? It wasnt last week.

gabbneb got SB'ed, was the first to go after deeznutz actually

a pedant objects

are they permanent or temp bans?

oh yeah hah sorry lj you are right, credit where credit is due and all that.

they are permanent unless revoked manually by the mods.

speakin' of which, Samout is Tuomas agin'.

what makes you suspect such a thing

well someone posted as Tuomas recently on the passive agressive notes thread on ILE...

Mr. Snrub to thread

Tuomas posted as Tuomas recently

was it a question?

it's Fake Tuomas i hanker for

what is a hanker? Is that short for handkerchief?

I just hope it's not rhyming slang.

whenever i get a tuomascence, i need a hanker

i merely pine* for tuomas

*short for pinafore

I just saw a Tuomas post, I guess he's back.

and this time it's personal TMI

God and that Ban Moka thread...this whole thread has for me been like a portal deep into the ILX heart of inner fugliness...Pillbox was the gatekeeper with that weird Jackson-tranny comment, and it's not got any better since then...

― I am Robertson Speedo (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:50 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

Not my best moment, perhaps. It was a flippant, half-assed, sorta in-joke about our seedy hometown, but damn, if I'd realized the outgrowth it would have given way to, I wouldn't have even turned my computer on that day. I formally apologize, ILX, and will hence move all my tranny love to the TMI board.

What on earth did i miss??

amateur dramaticsm tbh.

the idiotilxorapocalypse.

xp

link?

Not my best moment, perhaps. It was a flippant, half-assed, sorta in-joke about our seedy hometown, but damn, if I'd realized the outgrowth it would have given way to, I wouldn't have even turned my computer on that day. I formally apologize, ILX, and will hence move all my tranny love to the TMI board.

hey pillbox sry about that...i think the effect of yr post was entirely personal. the joke's funny; i get it now...but at that exact moment, I honestly thought there were more women on this board, and the comment just seemed out-of-nowhere and kind of creepy...totally over it though...

i also apologize to my contribution to the clusterfuck...

im lost

xp whoops to = for

Yeah I'm lost, really, but I'm not bothered. I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash. The quote Pillbox quoted was totally not even originally on this thread, so this is a real confusionfuck for sure. But again, I'm really not bothered about it.

i sent you an email Bimble...but I do believe its become redundant now...

bump

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

accidentally voted before my gender reassignment surgery doh

Anyone got any predictions for the number of male and female votes?

5 boys for every girl?

Unsurf City.

ilm don't surf, man.

it don't?

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

what's the record vote-count for an ILX poll?

So 82% male then.

plus some wiseguy with 40 sockpuppets

you think there's only 200 males?

let us consider: all ILX, marooned on a desert island

i might pitch that to lamp and max's film company

sausage party!

for srs, if all ILX met up, there would be 10x more homoflirting than straight

ilx is gay

I didn't vote but there's about five years of complicated gender politics that not even I understand anymore going into that.

This makes me feel sorry for the single straight dudes who can't go bisexual.

Still, I was surprised how many women seemed to come out of the woodwork from nowhere on that recent Girl Scout thread on ILE...has there ever been a poll like that over there?

Lots of women on this ILE thread, too:
WOMEN: How many bras do you have?

(including a 2006 revive in which 11 separate women posted without a single guy butting in)

jaymc how well do the results of the poll align to your data?

he has data?

lol

4.4363636363636363636363636363636

so close...

i'm guessing ilm's population in 99% male

1% female, 6% male, 93% save-a-ho.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, October 2, 2006

BAN

ILM treehouse - no girls aloud

ILE Census: Are you Male or Female?

Bimble's comments on the prostitution thread over on ILE were the ickiest and most offputtingly creepy thing I've read on here since the last Heave Ho ban*, but different strokes I suppose. Or maybe the defenders just didn't see it, I dunno.

*Haha that was only last week but still, we are trying.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:33 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest

Dude, it was a prostitution thread, the question of the thread was if you had ever been, or been with a prostitute. I answered it very simply and succintly, not even more than a sentence. What about that offended you so much? I'm just curious, cause I think it's weird that someone would be that offended by what I wrote:
Thread is here.

And all I said was this:

I was with a gorgeous black woman prostitute in D.C. once, yes. Big knockers as I recall.

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, March 23, 2009 3:20 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Did I mention I have a weakness for black women with big knockers?

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, March 23, 2009 3:22 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest

ILE Census: Are you Male or Female?