Courtney Love is Nobody's Daughter

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On two listens I'm really really really liking this album, which I described on another thread as a blowsy, bluesy, Dylaneseque confessional album.

In fact it feels very much like Courtney trying to remake Tangled Up In Blue, crossed with West Coast driving music (the first song is even called "Pacific Coast Highway"). Its mournful guitars are filled in with sad-eyed piano and lugubrious organ, while Courtney's wracked, exhausted vocals try (halfway successfully) to pretend that the last ten years of hard living was all deliberately undertaken just to prepare for these songs. It's like the bruised, defeated flipside to the glittering perfection of "Malibu".

A really cynical person might compare it to Beck's Sea Change and suggest that this stylistic shift is similarly deliberate, but it's hard to think of another artist for whom such a shift seems more appropriate and more earned.

Wait, what's illegitimate about an artist making a stylistic change for any reason whatsoever? Do they owe us something?

is that supposed to be some Joni Mitchell Blue homage or waht

"Wait, what's illegitimate about an artist making a stylistic change for any reason whatsoever? Do they owe us something?"

No, not at all. I just meant that I'm anticipating a lot of reviews trying to attack Courtney on these grounds, as much because so many people try to attack her for whatever reason they can.

so wait, what, is this actually coming out this decade?

as much because so many people try to attack her for whatever reason they can

She's a pretty easy target. I'll check it out, though.

I heard some bootleg demos for this a while back, they were abysmal - hopefully the finished product is something less dire.

I have to assume it's coming out this year.

Tracklist:

1. Pacific Coast Highway
2. For Once In Your Life
3. Letter To God
4. Stand Up Motherfucker
5. Loser Dust
6. Dirty Girls
7. Never Go Hungry Again
8. Nobody's Daughter
9. Happy Ending Story
10. Car Crash
11. Sunset Marquis (Piano Version)

ok, i'ma go search for it

that was FAST. found it right away

love the cover photo - it's a perfect representation/distillation of who she actually is, as opposed to the airbrushed-onna-van wish-fullfilment of the America's Sweetheart cover

Did anybody know she was Paula Fox's grand-daughter? Weird.

tim, on the version you have, does she sound kinda out of it? the production on the version i found it a lot better than on the demos, but the vocals sound kinda haphazard, unsweetened. which is fine - i just want to be sure that i'm listening to the actual record

Yeah, that's probably it!

well, in that case, i'm certainly not gonna encourage interested parties to google her name + the title + "mediafire" before the sucker's taken down or anything - that would be WRONG.

which I described on another thread as a blowsy, bluesy, Dylaneseque confessional album.

Blowsy? As in, she was doing lots of blow when it was recorded? Why I'd never have guessed...!

SO STOKED YOU GUISE!!!

(and a little anxious - I heard the same tracks Beatrix (lol) did and abysmal was the word)

well, lemme warn ya, pardner: it's sort of a slumpy, quiet, seated-on-a-stool w/o being folk album. lush. NOT like america's weetheart. it's the sort of thing that might be a grower.

It's not 11 versions of "Doll Parts" is it? If so, bleh.

so far i'd say it's a lot better than that description. comparison points will come to me soon...

i don't really see how one could get excited for this album. i mean, this shit is done better by thousands of other people in the midwest.

but it's COURTNEY, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

i don't really see how one could get excited for this album.

suggest ban

"it's COURTNEY, bitches"

ok not the same

i like hole, btw

i find myself in the weird position of having to admit that "america's sweetheart" kinda eclipsed all hole stuff for me

:(

but maybe it's just that i burned myself out on "live through this" when it came out

that's a better spin on it

plus wasn't impresssed with the 1998 album. man, i'm embarrassed to admit that i can't even remember what the title was and am too lazy to look it up. anyway, too much billy corgan influence on that one - and i'm a BC fan even. "malibu" was a keeper tho

look you're entitled to your opinion

(personally i like that malibu drink)

(even tho it's really sweet)

haha

i'm just babbling on. and everyone's got a diff opinion about these things

:)

I'm only a recent convert, or at least in the sense that I finally admitted that Live Through This is really good. But Celebrity Skin is garbage for the most part and I still haven't heard America's Sweetheart or Nobody's Daughter.

Interest in hearing this is there, but I'm in no rush.

is that supposed to be some Joni Mitchell Blue homage or waht

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(listening to this right now, only halfway through but it sounds good. "stand up motherfucker" lives up to its name, which is worth something.)

7 songs in, waiting for a bad one. is the whole record this good?

wow yeah, the whole record is good. i know this is cobbled together from bits and pieces over a few years, but it hangs together. need to listen more before i can say anything coherent about it, but ... seems kinda great on first go-round. i hope she manages to actually release it.

"i'm too young to be this old"

"i'm too old to be this lost"

<3 <3 <3

Yeah that reminded me of Fleetwood Mac's "Beautiful Child" a bit.

Wow, this is...not awful.

"i'm too young to be this old"

influenced by kenickie?

Wow, this is...not awful.

aka, really fucking good.

Who will listen to another Courtney Love "comeback record"?

okay, so on first spin... this is one of those... whatchacallem... albums... like, an actual sequence of songs that hold together. retro as fuck.

Pacific Coast Highway - harrowing. first verse volta serves notice: shit will be real
For Once In Your Life - she's done the "i know you don't love me but I will be your world" thing before, but the context of utter loss driving it has never been more stark due to PCH setup
Letter To God - dig it, not more to say yet
Stand Up Motherfucker - this is where tracks 1-3 end up, and it's as good as good as LA songs get imo + zings abound

Loser Dust: meh
Dirty Girls: meh

Never Go Hungry Again - omgwtf solo acoustic barnburning dylanesque anthem bitches!!!
Nobody's Daughter - no idea, still coming down from Never Go Hungry...

Happy Ending Story - "Haaaay... I burn better in the dark..." <3
Car Crash - j0hn darn1elle called... plz return "Up The Wolves" riff when yr done... but 'til then this is rockin' and dark as fuck whether real or faux
Sunset Marquis - MUCH better than the early version I heard. apparently this whole "mixing" thing really matters.

with you except i like "loser dust" a lot (like a "live thru this" b-side). it's obvious ok -- O NO DRUGS -- but rocks.

(fwiw i had this on the computer speakers and "never go hungry again" was the one my wife started unconsciously singing along with from the couch on the other side of the room)

totally! i'm trying to figure out where I know the refrain melody from...

yeah it is familiar. though she throws in a funny chord that darkens it a little.

oh shit.

come on without come on within

lololololol

I really want to hear this, but I keep only turning up the demos/bad quality recordings (that were abysmal a month ago). Where are you guys finding a copy?

xpost: ha! you're right. she even rhymes it. nice. that just makes me like it more.

mordy, it is for real not hard to find.

hint plz?

check yr webmail

thx

goddamit i have work to do and i can't stop listening to this.

I mostly like the harder songs in the middle (and indeed "Stand Up Motherfucker" has some great lines) but I feel that the thrust of the album resides in the glorious moody reflective songs. The crack in her voice as she mutters "So what can I do?" on "For Once In Your Life" = total love 4ever.

i do keep going back to the first 2 songs. but i need a week or so to obsess on it to figure out my actual favorites.

who did the production? is it all linda perry, or a bunch of people? especially songs like "for once in your life" have such a warm live-studio sound.

linda perry + bunch of people iirc

i know Peter Thorn, who's since gone on to a spot in Chris Cornell's touring band for the past couple of years, played a ton of guitar for this a few years back. no idea if any of his stuff made the final mix. or if this is the final...

where "bunch of people" = "beinhorn" (i think)

You guys were right. On my first listen to the first few tracks, this sounds pretty great.

This is pretty awesome. Did not expect this from her at this juncture. But I'm glad that we get it. More thoughts to follow.

two of the tracks end v. abruptly. what happens to the end of car crash?

the full "car crash" is here. i don't know if "happy ending story" is supposed to cut off or not, but i kind of like it that way.

I'm so excited after reading this thread that I may go back on my ridiculous no downloading rule. Hell, I'm enough of Courtney stan that'll end up buying it anyway.

Her twitter implies that there really could be a release at some point...

courtneylover79 going to sleep, wierd insane life so great to inally sng andhave a release date all ic an say is that fella from the middle east better

or not...

courtneylover79 come on through NOW or i walk. as they all now i can and should. goodnight goodluck

and that she's still in the studio...

courtneylover79 @Imetbilly corgan came ro the studio tonight wjat a lovely surprise!

courtneylover79 @imetbilly Corgan is going to be coming to the studio a fucking lot more he just doesnt know it yet someone must conduct my phrasing and

courtneylover79 noone else can i got a nice bigassed shot of steroidic something from the vocal doctor, sweet i can scream really REALLY loud, but i have to

and that she does not like ryan adams lol

courtneylover79whisper all day. im really obsessed( hardly obsessed i feel sad for the poor flower actually what a nice girl what a terrible asshole)

about "Amanda Leigh" and her new ergh ugh icko "hubba" the define myself only by dylan overly prolific asswipe Ryan "fixit" Adams

Is it all as good as Car Crash? If so, maybe Courtney's finally made her "Wolfking of LA."

this album is pretty great though the version i have sounds...unfinished? maybe just cuz two of the tracks cut off halfway through. 'pacific coast highway' and 'dirty girls' stood out for me on one listen...

went back to america's sweetheart too - holy fuck, 'hold on to me' is a beautiful song. i'd forgotten that, maybe i never realised it at the time.

the plot thickens - studio take of "Samantha"

i know this track has been floating around but it didn't make the tracklist of yesterday's leak

and after listening, that strikes me as a good call.

full band version of Sunset Marquis, too.

piano version kicks its ass

yeah piano version is A+.

i hope she doesn't fuck around with it all too much. she's got something good, she should just put it out there.

(how do you crazy kids get hold of leaks these days? feel free to not answer in case i am bringing down the music industry)

google blog search by date

xxpost otoh if fucking around with it has taken us FROM the full-band take to the piano take, let her take her time. the more she strips away the better it gets.

"Car Crash" is totally epochal.

the leak floating around is not the final version, afaik. she posted something telling fans not to get "demo-itis" cuz the versions on the record are different.

went back to america's sweetheart too - holy fuck, 'hold on to me' is a beautiful song. i'd forgotten that, maybe i never realised it at the time.

yeah, when she did that song on letterman -- out of her mind on drugs and crawling on the floor -- it was a knockout.

really want to hear a kiki & herb cover of "letter to god"

This is great. And I hope she doesn't really screw around with this too much since so much of it is perfect. Her vocals on Car Crash, Pacific Coast Highway, and Sunset Marquis make me go weak at the knees. It may be challopy, but IMO when Courtney's on, and she's defiantly on for most of this, she's a better singer than Kurt.

It may be challopy, but IMO when Courtney's on, and she's defiantly on for most of this, she's a better singer than Kurt.

Not too challopy, I don't think. Her voice is at least as good as Kurt's. I'm onboard with this album like most everyone here; it's lovely. Not only the Marianne Faithfull cover similarity, but did anyone else notice the vocal similarities esp. near the end of "Happy Ending Story"? Some Stevie Nicks in there, too. When she hits those low notes, I particularly hear it. This album is lovely. Oh, I already said that.

That Marianne Faithful cover is brilliant.

Courtney choosing to "borrow" it so completely though is rather pathetic. So "me too!" cheap and unimaginative.

I know a lot of people dismiss her out of hand (I'm not a fan, and not really interested but not attempting to do that here) but surely she can mine her own damn backstory for context?

Maybe I expect too much. Does seem like rock in general is usually more interested in glomming onto someones else's importance (ignoring that that status probably came from breaking your own damn ground) than carving out your own voice nowadays though. :/

The Odyssey is brilliant.

James choosing to "borrow" it so completely though is rather pathetic. So "me too!" cheap and unimaginative.

cf. the quixote of pierre menard

if the album isn't final I doubt that cover is, it's probably fan-made

that's my assumption too (though I wouldn't complain!), but this objection is still batshit

I mean srsly how many times has The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan been knocked off?

Plus (random samping):

Cover Connections

Cover Connections: Another Side of Cover Connections

cover connections 2008

cover connections summer '06

It's Your 2006 COVER CONNECTIONS

Cover Connections 2009

I like the cover. It's like she's grown up a bit. And if gets a few more people to check out MF then even better.

Also, yeah, it's not like people were all like "The Clash are just ripping off that Elvis Presley album, f them"

"Another black album, what's up with that?"

I'm sure all the Renaissance hipsters were saying, "Damn Michelangelo, always ripping off Donatello."

Nah, he would never be caught wearing purple.

Yeah, I expected as much.

So you'd all argue she's really adding something?

It's not an objection, just an observation "this is beyond obvious and boring" fwiw.

She can do what she likes. I haven't the patience to argue this one out, it's only an opinion.

i kept seeing the thread title, so i'm listening to the thing.

my first impression is that the vocals are too prominent, both in terms of the mix and emotion.

This is not the album, at least not the official one. What has leaked is the album she made with Linda Perry, the album she decided to scrap a year ago when she hired Michael Beinhorn to produce it instead. That album now apparently has a release date, accordning to Corky's twitter. We'll see.

some of this is really good, but a couple of my songs seem to end abruptly. the first song is my favorite, but there's three or four other very good songs. "letter to god" is awful but i can forgive

"letter to god" is perry power ballad all the way, but i think courtney makes it work. it's big drama, but i like it.

the arrangement on it is like, ok, but the vocals strike me as incredibly obvious and self-indulgent drivel

The vocals? Try the lyrics. Godawful.

Keepers for the official Michael Beinhorn produced "Nobody's Daughter":
PCH
For Once in Your Life
Car Crash
Happy Ending Story
Never Go Hungry Again

the rest needs to be (and has been, according to Corkscrew) forgotten or seriously re-worked. Actually, the songs above all lack something but I'm not sure what. They sound half-assed and kind of lazy.

Oh, and she's back working with Melissa auf der Maur and Billy Corgan. Celebrity Skin pt 2? I wouldn't mind.

xpost:

i dunno, like the line about "i never wanted to be/some kind of comic relief" -- pretty poignant, all-things-courtney considered. otoh, minus 10 points for using the verb "gifted."

that was the only poignant line i heard in the song

xpost:

The initial leak, which was last summer so I don't know why people are talking about this now, had a few songs ('Happy Ending Story' being one of them) which cut off, but full versions of those songs leaked a few weeks later.

Still, this was last summer. 'Samantha' and the full band version of 'Sunset Marquis' are the only songs that were leaked recently. They all come from the same sessions, with the exception of 'Samantha' which was recorded when Courtney felt the album lacked a 'hit'.

There are a number of titles mentioned by Courtney that haven't leaked; 'The Depths of My Despair', 'Good in Bed' and 'Sad but True' to name a few. Plus the number of new songs she claims to have recorded with Beinhorn. No titles have been mentioned.

So, this leak could very well be a different album all together.

The vocals? Try the lyrics. Godawful.

linda wrote the song (music and lyrics); i guess corx did the best she could with it.

courtney supposedly tweaked the lyrics to suit her. but yes, it mostly sounds like a big linda perry number. about which i'll say, i like big linda perry numbers a lot better when they're not actually performed by linda perry.

uh hoh... Courtney Love To Record As Hole Again

*sigh*

Such a great album. Is this actually getting a release this year? It could easily place on my top 10.

Can this be the album of the year if it's not getting released till January 2010?

isn't the album released in january (or whenever) going to be a lot different than any of the versions we have? she was still writing and recording a few months ago.

she's still writing and recording now if you go by her twitter

"pacific coast highway" is lovely, that better be on the final cut

pacific kshighway

And a website goes up: http://nobodysdaughter.com/

anyone following the latest drama? lost custody of frances, supposedly stole money from her kid's trust, and missed her first show in london this week... and she apparently has had everything except her chin replaced:
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100216/courtney-love_240.jpg

who is this lady?

Jude Rogers is posting on Twitter from tonight's show.

juderogers

(Yes, she's wearing a WIG.)
4 minutes ago from mobile web

She's OUR Patti and OUR Stevie and she looks like the woman from HEART and we LOVE 'ER #hole
7 minutes ago from mobile web

She's OUR Patti and OUR Stevie and she looks like the woman from HEART and we LOVE 'ER

ugh

She's our Patti AND our Stevie! Mustardayonnaise!

and we LOVE 'ER #hole

Is that Ann Wilson poking out of the right side of her body?

it seems so distasteful (?) to me that she seems to be loved/lauded for being a fuckup/drama queen as much as anything else. there's an adversarial defensiveness to folks' like Jude Rogers' fandom. its just kinda gross.

I can't understand anything I see on twitter. It just looks like noise.

Too bad "Samantha" (at least how it sounded on the J. Ross show) was so anonymous sounding.

she was fucking amazing tonight. i did not expect c-love '10 to be able to stand up straight - honestly when she did this for the whole first song i was surprised - let alone be as tight, focused and fierce as she was. "not too shabby for an old lady, huh?" as she said. sooooo glad i got to see that.

is all her adoration coming from teh Britishes these days? (real question! UK seems to care about her a LOT more than the US)

walking through shepherds bush tonight i'd say 75% of people had leopard print coats on. it was like a flashback to the cult of richey days.

it seems so distasteful (?) to me that she seems to be loved/lauded for being a fuckup/drama queen as much as anything else.

this is bullshit - she's lauded and loved for being a ridiculously talented artist by pretty much everyone i know who's into her - but the minute anyone brings what's appealing about her persona into the equation, the artistic, substantial justification seem to get ignored while people shout YOU ONLY LIKE HER BECAUSE SHE'S A CELEBRITY, which...is not the case at all

also she was really not much of a fuck-up tonight in the slightest

so this album is coming out, yes?

yup, in april last i heard

In stores worldwide April 26th and 27th, "Skinny Little Bitch" available for free download "today only"...

http://nobodysdaughter.com/

/street team lol

Haven't kept up with this thread, but its officially a 'Hole' album now, right? Should I seek out the leaked version you all have heard because it will more than likely be better than the final thing?

yes and yes

Thanks!

So, they're not expecting any one born before 1962 to download this?

song kinda blows

damn

bummer. i'm at work so i haven't had a chance to listen yet.

why do they even have 2010 DOB as an option if they aren't gonna let me use it. I'm 2 months old and I want my free Hole download!!!

hmmm no one around to help with the melodies this time evidently

kind of anonymous sounding.

ridiculously talented artist

is this like a big joke on the world? probably will get accused of misogyny or something, but she's had like 15 years to leave an impression and, well, no.

This new track blows. Nowhere near the reason why I loved the original leak.

I can find plenty of links to the original leak, but none that actually seem to be working.

love how it arbitrarily speeds up at the end for no apparent reason.

just horrible.

LEAVE COURTNEY ALONE!

lackluster.

Better than the new Prince song, though.

Talk about damning with faint praise.

That's all I've got. Sorry, Courtney.

I look forward to (another) spectacular failure

I look forward to more "struggles" with her "demons"

Why is it that female artists seem to bring out the gleeful hatred (where people just have to infest threads endlessly with complaints about other people liking something) from so many posters here so much more than male artists, I wonder?

(actually I don't, there's a pretty simple explanation)

hey I hate lots of people irrespective of their genitalia

this song is basically an amped-up rewrite of bratmobile's 'bitch theme' with pro-ana signifiers

hey I hate lots of people irrespective of their genitalia

Sure, but it's interesting how on both this and the Taylor Swift threads so many people feel the need to drop by over and over again simply to express their faux-astonishment that anyone would like the artists' music.

do you want me to list threads where I bash male artists or something

do you get upset when lex says mean things about Animal Collective?

FUCK THIS TROLLOP

since they haven't changed the title, i wonder if frances bean's restraining order is just a promotional gag

do you get upset when lex says mean things about Animal Collective?

I get annoyed by any repetitive trolling of threads, including lex on the vampire weekend thread, yes.

fwiw I did like Courtney/Hole at some point (circa Pretty on the Inside) but imho its been basically downhill ever since Kurt came into the picture.

yeah you're not blanket trolling though. Critiquing the new song is fair enough.

I look forward to more "struggles" with her "demons"

i haven't really enjoyed anything she's done since live thru this, which i think is an excellent record. i have no time for her anymore. but i still wish she was sane/happy etc.

fwiw i really think live through this is a good album.

Tim did you listen to the song?

I still love America's Sweetheart but I'm kind of amazed of the size and scope of her shit show. Now thanks to Twitter she can just publicly rail at Edward Norton about some failed investment hustle instead of leaving 80 messages on his machine.

x-post Yeah it's not very good!

But "Pacific Coast Highway", "For Once In Your Life", "Nobody's Daughter", "Happy Ending Story" and "Car Crash" were all amazing.

Why is it that female artists seem to bring out the gleeful hatred (where people just have to infest threads endlessly with complaints about other people liking something) from so many posters here so much more than male artists, I wonder?

(actually I don't, there's a pretty simple explanation)

bears repeating

Just look at the Joanna Newsom thread.

haha yeah the newsome thread is totally HATEFUL not people being a bunch of happy goofballs, that picture of robocop riding a unicorn felt like Krystallnacht

LEAVE JOANNA/RIHANNA/COURTNEY/TAYLOR/BRITNEY/LADY GAGA ALONE!

didn't know vampire weekend was an all female band

I don't know, at least it feels like lex has had some exposure when he bags on Vampire Weekend. He has, however misguided, some actual criticism.

i agree with the lex about vw! there's tons of random hating on any indie band du jour getting hyped tho

btw I saw joanna newsom in 2004 and it was excruciating but i stayed off the thread. so.

I don't give two shits for VW, don't think I've heard more than 2 songs of theirs. I've been exposed to almost the entirety of Love's ouevre however (a couple solo things excepted) and remember when she burst on the scene, know people who knew her way back when, etc. So I feel perfectly within my rights to comment on her trainwreck of a career.

M@tt He1ges0n, (it's Newsom btw) and the mob bullying directed at her fans & urgent need to be 'clever' at her expense is pretty hateful and telling imo.

oh good grief

i like JN a lot, thought the unicorn shitting rainbows riffing was hilarious

You want a sticky gold star?

the only one be bullied was ksh and he's actually (controversial mod edit)

I don't like JN. Let's generalize and assume it's because I'm a sexist. That's definitely the logical place to go.

if you have one, sure

but really, it wasn't "hateful" nor "telling". telling of what?

xps

Mordy, I never said that. I said it was just easier to get away with the kind of gleeful hatred Tim referred to with female artists, but really, whatever.

Of course, now that the album's out and I know it sucks I don't care if no actual discussion can actually happen in that thread, but I'm sure others that do like it can't even bother.

did the thread get locked?

No but it's marred by *~cleverness*~ and the likelihood of no one engaging in actual discussion because of it.

I just revisited Celebrity Skin and have the same opinion of it as I did at age 12: It's a great pop-rock record. It achieves this by the grace and force of Melissa Auf der Maur's backing vocals and the songwriting of Billy Corgan circa-1997. I discredit myself when I say things like that and mean them.

I think you should check out swing/ska thread where plenty of snarky "hateful" are directed at male artists.

marred by *~cleverness*~

More re: Celebrity Skin ignoring discourse of xposts: I can't even stand how good the backing harmonies in "Malibu" are. I can hardly breathe their oxygen, they leave me light-headed and I suddenly get visions of this record being much better than it actually is, and I give in to these visions.

Auf der Marred

*~clever~*

I can't be near you; the light just radiates.

I'm not convinced that attacks on female artists here are more mean-spirited and bile-filled than attacks on male artists, but short of doing some kind of statistical study I'm neither qualified nor inclined to do, that has to remain an unsupported subjective impression. Though people might want to reacquaint themselves with the DMB hate-fest thread. (Mind, I'm not denying that misogny and sexism exist!)

I think its more a testament to Courtney Love and her career that you pretty much CAN'T discuss her without accusations/claims of sexism being thrown around at some point. its part and parcel of her public persona, its part of why people like her AND why people hate her, and it informs her work at almost every level (cf. my favorite Hole song "Good Sister/Bad Sister")

I mean basically her whole M.O. is to act like a crazed, angry, self-absorbed bitch and then play with the reactions that provokes

telling of what?

penis size, btw

xpost and as crazy, self-absorbed bitches go she's a lot more productive and entertaining than axl rose. so.

the whole unicorn thing was funny, i even said i kinda dug what i heard!

kate bush and erykah badu get pretty much worshiped on ILM threads.

"good sister bad sister" is so great

Nobody's Daughter is a fabulous record. Easily better than Joanna Newsom's new 3CD effort and surely the equal of the unreleased (ahem) Broken Social Scene and New Pr0n records!

celebrity skin is awesome. you people are crazy

^^^

I mean basically her whole M.O. is to act like a crazed, angry, self-absorbed bitch and then play with the reactions that provokes

this is kinda otm!

idk whether it's directly to do with their being female, but courtney love and taylor swift do receive some of the more annoying, obtuse criticism i see - people seem to come into their threads with the attitude that it's self-evident that they're not artists to be taken seriously, and that this is so duhh-obvious that everyone should agree. rather than engage with what anyone's actually saying they persist in, as tim, says, this spectacularly irritating faux-astonishment that anyone could appreciate them at all. and on the taylor swift thread, literally accusing everyone of pretending to like her to the extent they do!

and even worse, then accusing basically anyone defending these artists as shrieking, mindless LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE stans

courtney turned up in a dream i had last night. it was a bit akward to be honest.

btw my main problem with her M.O. is that it doesn't age well - the longer it goes on, the more uninteresting and irritating it becomes. a 45-yo mom doing this shit just seems immature/retarded.

Courtney Love took to Facebook yesterday (March 16) to issue an apology to the Smashing Pumpkins' frontman Billy Corgan, who recently berated his apparently ex-friend in a Rolling Stone interview.

Back story: Corgan and Love have had a tempestuous relationship ever since both dominated the alt rock headlines in the mid-90s. The pair recently recorded song for Love's forthcoming album, "Nobody's Daughter." Due in April, it is the first she's released as using the Hole band name since 1998's "Celebrity Skin," an album on which Corgan co-wrote several tracks.

However, Corgan disowned the new Hole material he worked on in the interview, saying that if Love released the songs, "it would be a real big problem, because I haven't given my permission. I have no interest in supporting her in any way, shape or form. You can't throw enough things down the abyss with a person like that." Ouch!

Rather than lashing back with her usual fury, Love decided to be the bigger person and took to her Facebook page to address Corgan's rant. The post reads:

"Dearest Billy:

I love you, I love your strong and eternal heart, even love the f***ed up gnarly amazing magnificent bigger-than-god louder-than-love karma of the songs you write and allow me to fly with. We have again created beauty from the agony between us, all the buried and unburied anguish, all that is true, that is gold, that is meant to be is within this endless and somehow eternal cycle of Billy & Courtney. I hope you will take my sincerest apologies for all the thousand ways I sometimes offend you, because I know you are a king, a prince, and my beautiful noble boy. No one will ever force my hand, nothing will come between the truth of what we are:

Eternal lovers

Eternal fighters
Eternal warriors.

Let the forces and the shock and awe loose from its cages, all credit where it is due. I love and you and can never thank you enough.Your soul (and you know this).

Xxx CLC"

Ugh.

http://www.holerock.net/images/albumCover_front.jpg

lol

would be funny if the album was a pretty, hyper-literate, folk-prog epic tho

lyrically, if not in reality, courtney does tend to be hyper-literate

eh cover just made me think of Joanna Newsom is all

oh ok, idk what the newsom cover looks like and i'm waiting til people stop talking about it to give it a listen (though...three discs of newsom's voice = this might not happen)

actually ref'ing to previous Joanna Newsom album, not "Have One On Me"

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TbUw-G5X87PhqM:http://katarney.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/joanna-newsom-ys.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Ys_cover.jpg/200px-Ys_cover.jpg

ah fuck it

marie antoinette, anyone?

http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/marie_elisabeth_louise_vigee_l/marie_antoinette_koenigin_von_frankreich.jpg

kinda hilarious that the cover is marie with her head lopped off. so no, not a gentle folk thing.

1. Nobody’s Daughter
2. Skinny Little Bitch
3. Honey
4. Pacific Coast Highway
5. Samantha
6. Someone Else’s Bed
7. For Once in Your Life
8. Letter to God
9. Loser Dust
10. How Dirty Girls Get Clean
11. Never Go Hungry

No "Sunset Marquis" o_0

no "car crash" :(

http://stereogum.com/321781/hole-samantha-stereogum-premiere/mp3s/

another "new" song, quite different from the 2007 leak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLyYdjX9oS0&feature=player_embedded

some of it is for the better, some for the worse. fleetwood mac vibes towards the end but her vocals sound pretty bad, and the overall production sounds odd.

plus: the intro is a total rip-off of the real hole's boys on the radio.

Yolanda del Rio es la hija de nadie
http://www.art-books.com/artbooks/images/items/55-2199.jpg

Never either away about her, so am 10 months late and just now hearing the demos (all on YouTube). Could be a Tonight's The Night in there, going between solo piano and "Stand Up Motherfucker." But the new versions just look like bad Photoshop photos in comparison.

But that cover, having the headless woman so the body is front and center plus having it be Marie Antoinette: that works.

Could be a Tonight's The Night in there

Haven't heard the demo's but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say: RONG.

In form, structure, and stakes, sure.

stakes? that's a weird measure of comparison

leaked.

thoughts?

hrrrm on one listen not bad...

but i think i preferred the demos :(

haven't heard this yet, but i don't understand leaving off "sunset marquis," "stand up motherfucker" or "car crash."

and if that's the final version of "pacific coast highway" linked above, the demo is lots better.

ah well. it's courtney, qu'est-ce qu'on peut faire?

I'm gonna listen to it, but I don't understand from the individual tracks I've heard why she'd remove so much of the charm and feeling from the original demo leaks for this other thing that isn't half as good.

Very top heavy album, I don't really understand why they chose to end it they way they did - or why they chose to omit Car Crash and Happy Ending Story, both were among the best among the original demos.

Letter to God is awful, so is Loser Dust.

I adore Honey, though.

this is the courtney i love, all bawdy and ballsy and and and

http://music.aol.com/video/for-once-in-your-life/courtney-love-hole/bc:78381977001

and and and micko is way cute

It refused to show me that video because of where I live, and suggested that I would want to watch John Travolta, on Jay Leno, impersonating Nic Cage asking Barbra Streisand out, instead.

could have been worse but... I dunno I get the feeling someone lost their nerve wrt a nonRAWK courtney record and it's too bad. i mean they're the same songs except for the ones that aren't, just with extra guitars and stuff.

I've never heard of an artist writing a beautiful album and then rerecording it to turn in a far inferior album. This is just terrible. I hope the real album gets a release one day.

I've never heard of an artist writing a beautiful album and then rerecording it to turn in a far inferior album

haha waht? this has happened a lot

Black Album >>>> Lovesexy, for ex.

the released version of fiona apple's extraordinary version wasn't anywhere near as good as the jon brion demos, and i'm sure r&b fans will all be familiar with the fiasco that was ciara's fantasy ride (though only a few of the faults here were to do with re-recording as such) (well, apart from choosing the version of "work" with missy's TERRIBLE verse)

OK this would be a better album:

1. Nobody's Daughter
2. Pacific Coast Highway
3. Honey
4. Samantha
5. For Once In Your Life
6. Someone Else's Bed
7. How Dirty Girls Get Clean*
8. Never Go Hungry
9. Car Crash*
10. Sunset Marquis*
11. Nobody's Daughter* (renamed obviously)
12. Happy Ending Story*

*from the original album.

5. For Once In Your Life

was really hoping this was a Righteous Bros cover/interpretation

Ok, I'm schooled. Still, totally disappointing.

Wow, "Honey" is basically a direct lift of the Verve's "On Your Own"

the released version of fiona apple's extraordinary version wasn't anywhere near as good as the jon brion demos
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 4:22 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Eh, a couple songs got better, a couple got worse.

Love both albums, btw.

I wish Corgan just wrote all his songs for Courtney and never sang again.

Still haven't heard the album, but just watched the Letterman interview. It was so sweet and honest, I was moved by it

Mixed reviews are fair, but I'm getting annoyed with all the "following 2004's admittedly terrible America's Sweetheart"... dammit, that was half a pretty good record you fuckers.

never really got into the demos so I'm wondering whether to pick this up

yeah america's sweetheart was a good album - "mono", "hold on to me", "life despite god" are all great songs and "but julian..." is just terrific, just this cascade of barbed zings all hitting home. fuck the strokes, seriously.

the absolute towering midsection of "hold on to me" is so amazing - "I AM THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE!" oh courtney, ilu.

um...

http://twitter.com/billy :

You know, if you are gonna recall sexual debauchery, at least try to get the year right. 3:50 PM Apr 25th via txt

Thought #1: my face is my face, my heart is my heart, my money is my money. Oh, and my songs are MY songs+If you can't write your own songs? 10:57 AM Apr 26th via txt

Thought #2: if you can't write your own songs maybe you should just be happy that you fooled someone into doing your work for you... 10:58 AM Apr 26th via txt

Or, thought #3:maybe you should go someone nice+live off your husband's money, u know the money he made for writing all those great songs. 11:00 AM Apr 26th via txt

Thought #4: when you issue someone an apology on YOUR facebook page you might actually mean it and take responsibility for it. But... 11:05 AM Apr 26th via txt

Thought #5: the world is aware of your lack of responsibility, as seen in the gov't taking away your parental right. Only you could abandon! 11:06 AM Apr 26th via txt

Only u could abandon such a beautiful, incredible child who is smarter than u, cooler than u, and better than u. Oops, did I say too much? 11:07 AM Apr 26th via txt

Thought #6: so have your moment, burn up in the sun that laughs at u as equally as it appears to celebrate u+sleep knowing u have no honor. 11:13 AM Apr 26th via txt

America's Sweetheart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody Daughter (released version)

Kinda finding it hard sympathizing with Corgan here especially after reading his string 'o' zings.

Courtney Love claims she slept with Gavin Rossdale even though he was already with Gwen Stefani, US Magazine reports. Love revealed the details of her affair with Rossdale on the Howard Stern Show on Monday.

smdh

Gwen Stefani had to share her husband-to-be with Courtney Love at the beginning of her relationship - because the Hole star was dating the Brit.

Love reveals she was so smitten with former Bush star Gavin Rossdale that she considered marrying him.

Love told radio host Howard Stern that Stefani knew all about her romance with Rossdale - and snagged him when her love rival ended the affair over criticism her boy toy was a clone of her late husband Kurt Cobain.

Love says, "I had this vision of marrying Gavin Rossdale one time. (We dated for) eight months... and we were like, 'Let's go spend our rock star money!' We had a really good time... He was lovely... We did like each other quite a bit.

"But the thing is that everyone gave me so much s**t because Gavin sounded like a lot like Kurt... but, man, he (Rossdale) was such an Adonis in his day."

And Love credits her one-time love rival, Stefani, with turning the rock star into a bedroom hunk.

She adds, "He got good in bed... something happened. Maybe Gwen taught him."

Love also told Stern in the candid radio chat that she once bedded a supermodel, but insisted the mystery lady wasn't Naomi Campbell, Janice Dickinson or Gisele Bundchen.

She reveals, "She's (model) notoriously pretty much gay, and that's because every girlfriend I have in London has had sex with her. And so, in the '90s... I was in an Italian city with her and she chased me around the room... She was the aggressor.

"I thought, 'You know what? If you're going to do it, do it with that one...'"

Asked to name names, Love would only say, "It wasn't Naomi Campbell... This is, like, a hot supermodel... Janice Dickinson had her day for like a month and she was the supermodel for that month... older than Gisele... but perennial."

ha, okay she was there first and she's not braggin so head unshook

is the supermodel she's talking about lauren hutton?

haha she just played on the jay leno swindle and when she was done jay and guest howie mandel came out to congratulate her (for some reason) and howie really did not want to touch her, like waaay less than he ever wants to touch anyone anyway

cause howie he a smart man he know the difference between regular filthy and courtney love filthy

His germophobia must have pinging off the frickin' charts!

many, many lols

Love eventually decided to have some of her fans join her on stage. She started plucking some from the crowd and they simply sat off to the side. "Do you really like rock music?" she asked one female. "Because you're African-American. That would be like me being into Lil Wayne."

She's coming on Friday night and none of my friends wanna go :(

She played a new song, "Pretty Your Whole Life." It was bad. Half an hour later she played it again. It was worse.

lol wtf

I mean did people really think that they were going to get a good show with this waste of a human being? You would've been better off going to a Tupac and Biggie concert.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | June 28, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow at that DC trainwreck show-- and the comments.

Jesus fucking Christ how much do I love Courtney's voice on this record?

the original demos are so great.

I'm kinda quite glad I didn't hear the original demos because I like the album in its current form well enough.

It was bound to happen. And damn, that Wipers cover is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpX2XpJVMU

Does she have any saving graces? Is their a side to her that you just have to live with 24-7 - in a band, in a house - to understand? Because she seems like the sort of person you'd straight up want to avoid.

She's made some really good music, but I guess you're talking personally.

her most recent twitter meltdown was awful. she genuinely appears to be a terrible human being.

NOT GUILTY!

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/courtney-love-guilty-landmark-twitter-libel-case-article-1.1590806