The Best Song on The-Dream's Love vs. Money

hmmmmmmmmm so many choices - i feel like im totally drained of thoughts about this album. i guess i would choose "right side of my brain" or maybe "love vs money" - "mr yeah" has crazy things going on and i always forget how amazing the outro is. "kelly's 12 play" is maybe lyrically the best song of dream's career. "fancy" is like a monument basically, and the transition to the rap verse is one of my favorite parts of the album. "put it down" and "sweat it out" are amazing - esp the way "sweat it out" starts so exultantly, but those are two songs where i look back on l/h and go "yeah 'falsetto' and 'purple kisses' and 'luv songs' are better" and the singles are great songs but probably my three least favorite songs on the album except for maybe "my love" but i played that one out. i don't think i loooove "take u home 2 my mama" texturally, it's kind of trebly and flat and though i certainly do love it as i do all songs on this album, i wouldn't consider it for the title of best song even despite HER TITTIES LIKE WOOOHOOOOOHH. "love vs money 2" is great in tandem with "love vs money" but i think the first song is better and could stand alone whereas "love vs money 2" is a great song that works best as a transition between "love vs money" and "fancy". i did not consider voting for "let me see the booty"

i will choose amongst "fancy"/"right side"/"mr yeah"/"kellys 12 play" and then regret my choice

For me it's "Fancy" or "Right Side" but I basically endorse Jordan's handwringing above.

'fancy'. it's v much a default answer, much like 'deeper & deeper' is always my answer to "what's your favourite madonna song", b/c it could so easily be anything else at any given time, but there it is. it's the lynchpin of the album for sure.

yeah basically agree w/ jordan as well -- thats absolutely the heart of the album

voted kelly's 12play for fun

This video is actually what convinced me to get the album. Something about all of the fun he clearly had recording "Put It Down."

http://www.prefixmag.com/news/video-of-the-dream-in-the-studio-making-my-love-an/27317/

too soon

but it's between "rockin that shit" and "fancy", and i'll prob vote "fancy"

put it down or right side of the brain is my initial thought. take you home through fancy is almost too much of a suite for me to pick one. i did finally learn the other day that fancy is mindfuckingly amazing on headphones but (and i mean this in the best way possible) it's almost too much song. i think if i were to just put on one track from this album it would be right side.

only joints i did not consider voting 4 were 'my love', '12-play, & 'booty'. think the best song is prob 'fancy' but i voted 'mr. yeah'

Great album all around. I voted for the title track as it's received the most plays from me.

FANCY

right side of my brain sticks in my head the most, but honestly my favorite moment of the album is the segue between take you home to my mama -> love vs. money

don't really care for fancy, why do you guys love it so much

because u don't

joeks. i dunno i haven't even listened to this LP much but drifted along pleasantly and then the final track just stood out sounding hazier, more lucid and generally elsewhere and i always dig that

fancy is the final track in the uk?

i will choose amongst "fancy"/"right side"/"mr yeah"/"kellys 12 play" and then regret my choice

― s1ocked up, they won't let me out (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:27 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fancy is the final track in the uk?

oh i probably just listened to it in the wrong order (doin this now and then without realising i've left shuffle button on - what a disaster for artists original intentions)

you are a disaster. the album flows effortlessly from one song to the next and you are listening in shuffle mode.

imo "Take You Home" or "Sweat It Out" or "Mr. Yeah" could've been big radio hits in the vein of his first album's singles, they really fucked up by playing up the songs w/ big guest stars

kanye's verse seriously makes me want to strangle someone

you are a disaster. the album flows effortlessly from one song to the next and you are listening in shuffle mode.

^^^aagh yes. honestly steve, how could you not even notice the abrupt endings where the songs didn't flow into each other!

you are a disaster. the album flows effortlessly from one song to the next and you are listening in shuffle mode.

yeah they should just make albums one complete track so this terrible catastrophe never occurs

^def agree about "take you home" and "mr yeah" (the latter especially) being prime singles choices, though i do love "rockin that shit" and "my love" too. "sweat it out" might be a bit dense/layered for radio, and its tempo might not be ideal for summer jam candidacy

xp cutty holy shit i forgot "walkin on the moon" is a single :( not a bad song but it's got to be the worst on the album

that (^) was to some dude's post

"walking on the moon" i've decided isn't that bad but it's one of those weird songs where the verse and pre-chorus melodies are killer and then the chorus is just totally dead weight.

"sweat it out" would/could be the album's big quiet storm legacy song imo

althought i wouldn't mind hearing 808s and heartbreak re-done with the-dream on vox

RADIO KILLA

between My Love, Mr. Yeah and Kelly's 12 Play for me. Fancy and the title track are undeniable too. i might have to give it to My Love for how surprising it is that i like it so much

"walking on the moon" i've decided isn't that bad but it's one of those weird songs where the verse and pre-chorus melodies are killer and then the chorus is just totally dead weigh

this is exactly right, and I couldn't understand my near-instant dislike (besides hating the spongy organ).

althought i wouldn't mind hearing 808s and heartbreak re-done with the-dream on vox

― cutty, Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:53 PM (26 seconds ago)

oh man keep some dude away from sharp objects if this happens

oh i prob meant to post this somewhere but the-dream agrees with what rev said somewhere else about 'take u home 2 my mama' secretly being a country song.

'walkin on the moon' is a fine track, i really like that the first third of the album consists of exquisitely executed generic radio jams w/glittering star cameos, kanye and mariah just doing what they do - lays the groundwork nicely for the album's lurch into WHOA blowing my mind territory. i even love the first half of kanye's verse - "i swear god must've made lightning strike and bottled it up, it hit the red carpet and modelled it up" is so great. pity he totally undoes it all immediately with "after i pound you" ughhhhh.

i think the one i turn to most if i just want to her one song rather than the whole album is 'mr yeah'

lol...i actually think the supposed (but will probably never happen) kanye/dream joint album could be dope, if kanye brings tricky/los into his production team. imo the-dream vox >>>> kanye autotune

i really like that the first third of the album consists of exquisitely executed generic radio jams w/glittering star cameos, kanye and mariah just doing what they do - lays the groundwork nicely for the album's lurch into WHOA blowing my mind territory.

The right side of your brain?

i even love the first half of kanye's verse - "i swear god must've made lightning strike and bottled it up, it hit the red carpet and modelled it up" is so great. pity he totally undoes it all immediately with "after i pound you" ughhhhh.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:59 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

imo what makes the verse cross over into completely terrible is when he rhymes "blackberry" with..."mackberry"

don't really care for fancy, why do you guys love it so much

― cutty, Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:26 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pretty epic build & release on that one.

love the racing torrent of strings just before the drums answer where he says stuff like "they say love cant buy money / they're lying"

i'll try to get into it. i usually skip it.

yeah it's def a song that took me a few listens to appreciate. the drums at the end are fucking huge and awesome

"every one out there will know that you are my girl" is probably my favourite melody on the album.

^^^

Went with the title track on instinct but it could just as well be "Put It Down" or "Fancy" or "Mr. Yeah"

oh i prob meant to post this somewhere but the-dream agrees with what rev said somewhere else about 'take u home 2 my mama' secretly being a country song.

vindicated

imo what makes the verse cross over into completely terrible is when he rhymes "blackberry" with..."mackberry"

― conansformers 2: revenge of the fallon (some dude), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

loooooooool this is so otm - this continuously puzzles me and i always think to myself "you know what im not going to even bother looking up the lyrics"

as for "fancy", like everyone says it's such a great slow-burner of a song that it gets to the point where merely the addition of the drums ups the drama of the album immensely - also "fancy" is so integral because it really is like dream is building up this great love life of jet setting and fucking in gucci stores and then he totally tears it down with "right side of my brain" - the two songs are really important to each other. and then "mr yeah" is like "fuck it!! girls are awesome im the best at fucking!!!" and then "mr yeah" ends the album in his bedroom <3

aaaaanyway im gonna vote for "right side of my brain" for the build up in the last 40 seconds or so where the drums pick up

i agree that he's a retard for not releasing "sweat it out" or "put it down" but idk about "mr yeah" - it's definitely a great summer pop song but i think it might remind too many people of "touch my body" to really be a huge success

one of my favorite parts on the whole album is right at the beginning of "right side of my brain" when his voice is suuuuper autotuned and he goes "fell in love with a real heartbreaker/ and there's nothing i can dooo, to shake her" - part gets stuck in my head all the time

aaaaanyway im gonna vote for "right side of my brain" for the build up in the last 40 seconds or so where the drums pick up

― s1ocked up, they won't let me out (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:47 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

i just listened again and this part is so incredible - it's right around 50 seconds - def the most impassioned vocal performance of dream's career, if that even means anything

he does put some serious emotion into that song that makes it pretty next level.

"right side" has grown on me in a big way -- never did listen to the demo of it that people on here used to talk about, is it really that different or essential to hear?

i uploaded the "right side of my brain" demo - it's pretty great in it's own right but it's amazing to listen to it knowing how elaborate and intense of a song it turned into

http://www.zshare.net/audio/61814107850f30ed/

haha i started to upload before i saw your post btw

idk if it's "essential" it just has a different tone - it's more somber and less cathartic, there aren't those huge drums, just these sad piano chords and the beat boxing

one of my favorite parts on the whole album is right at the beginning of "right side of my brain" when his voice is suuuuper autotuned and he goes "fell in love with a real heartbreaker/ and there's nothing i can dooo, to shake her" - part gets stuck in my head all the time

ah yeah and then it just FALLS into the aiiiaaiiiiaiiii bits and it's so physical, real heart-into-stomach stuff - the dramatic fall, just after 'fancy's ascended into the clouds

oh i prob meant to post this somewhere but the-dream agrees with what rev said somewhere else about 'take u home 2 my mama' secretly being a country song.

vindicated

yeah this didn't make it into the piece but he was basically bragging about how he could make any style of song, and he said "i could even do a country song, hell i already done a country song" - i was like ".....take u home 2 my mama???" and he said yeah.

Sweat It Out or Right Side of My Brain although Rockin that shit is pretty unfuckwithable largely due to the unusually impacting roll out of the Gorilla thing

xp hah cool lex!

"fancy" is so integral because it really is like dream is building up this great love life of jet setting and fucking in gucci stores and then he totally tears it down with "right side of my brain" - the two songs are really important to each other.

Totally agree w/ this. I always listen to these as pair. In fact I can't listen to one w/o the other which makes this vote hard. Probably go w/ RSoMB though.

"Fancy" obv but i voted for "Sweat It Out" just because.

imo what makes the verse cross over into completely terrible is when he rhymes "blackberry" with..."mackberry"

― conansformers 2: revenge of the fallon (some dude), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

always heard it as "mack baby", but "mackberry" is pretty lol

don't really care for fancy, why do you guys love it so much

― cutty, Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:26 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

would genuinely like to know!

my ranking:

Fancy
Sweat It Out
Kelly's 12 Play
Mr. Yeah
Put it Down
Love Vs. Money
Right Side of My Brain
Rockin That Shit
Love Vs. Money 2
Let Me See The Booty
Walking On The Moon
My Love
Take U Home 2 My Mama

oh never mind people talked about why they liked "fancy"

im more interested in hearing your objections to it! i mean musically like i said the build-> release is kinda flawless & real cinematic, the way the accordion comes in at one pt, the imagery about making love at the end of the world over the swooping strings during the rap section, the way the drums hammer in at its peak ... all kinda amazing

unless yr objection is conceptual, about money buying love or whatever

which is kind of contradicted by the rest of the record -- i guess out of context its a pretty superficial track but its emotions feel very genuine, and are later undercut by the reality of 'right side of your brain'

i guess it sounds like a lot of effort put into something sort of empty to me? like, the story he tells is well-told and it sounds pretty, but the story itself leaves me kind of cold? i guess that's kind of conceptual, yeah.

i would vote for take you home to my mama maybe. i like the first album better, i have to admit.

xpost

no i will vote for Kelly's 12-Play. i think maybe i just don't fully get this album; the way y'all talked about "fancy" and "right side of my brain" in the ne-yo v. the dream thread made me think i was missing something.

i don't really care for "Fancy" either fwiw, not my least favorite song but i feel like the title track(s) and "right side" hit that spot for me a lot better

honest the only songs I listen to off of this on a regular basis are:

Fancy
Sweat It Out
Kelly's 12 Play
Mr. Yeah
Put it Down

always heard it as "mack baby", but "mackberry" is pretty lol

― bitches can't stand me I got pockets on my pannies (The Reverend), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:06 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

even if those were the words, "i put my mack baby down" is a pretty bad line

although when i tried to find a lyrics site that had that reading of it, it also said "put your black baby down" which is pretty lol

it says "put your black baby down" in the cd booklet

what did you think it was?

then lol @ whatever def jam intern typed that up!

i've never looked at the lyric booklet, that's what i've always heard!

thought it was like a Jolie/Madonna ref I didn't get :-/

It really does sound like that

your blackberry down

http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com/kanye-west-is-a-blackberry-user/

PUT YOUR BLACK BABY DOWN, PEOPLE IS AROUND YOU!

true story: The-Dream wrote "Put It Down" about Madonna's adopted black baby

ashamed lols

IRL lols

i guess it sounds like a lot of effort put into something sort of empty to me? like, the story he tells is well-told and it sounds pretty, but the story itself leaves me kind of cold? i guess that's kind of conceptual, yeah.

i would vote for take you home to my mama maybe. i like the first album better, i have to admit.

xpost

― horseshoe, Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:13 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think part of what really interests me about it is how much effort there is in something like that ... its such a strongly felt idea for something that seems pretty aberrant to me personally & i start thinking about the state of ppl's attachment to consumption & status & shit & how strongly it is tied to their emotional well-being -- pretty weird i guess but it feels so honest here & its about someone who came from 'nothing,' which sort of increases the emotional impact ... i dunno i just like it a lot

thread is bringing me round to fancy which was the original "oh shit" moment when I heard this in the first place

yeah. by the time the song gets around to being first-person i like it more. i don't know, i think its artfulness just pulls me away from it for some reason. i find the sentiment itself moving in other contexts, in a song like "All Falls Down," for example. i guess i just don't find the woman who gets material goods out of relationships archetype a relatable story? obviously he's pretty invested in it.

xpost!

I don't get why this song is particularly conceptual maybe someone can school my, it's just a third person narrative u guyz right?

its 'conceptual' in that "they say you can't buy love, they lyin" is something that the narrator feels at that moment but i dont think the-dream = the narrator, per se

like its all part of an overarching concept section of the record

the song is certainly conceptual

one of my favorite parts on the whole album is right at the beginning of "right side of my brain" when his voice is suuuuper autotuned and he goes "fell in love with a real heartbreaker/ and there's nothing i can dooo, to shake her" - part gets stuck in my head all the time

― s1ocked up, they won't let me out (J0rdan S.)

yesssss. this was my favorite part of the album the first time i listened to it

(I'm so sorry)

http://videos.onsmash.com/v/fnbI5nmRJNQWagMz

Trailer for The-Dream's new track Hit It On The Road" from his "Love vs. Money: The Hangover (Extended Version)"

this doesn't sound good at all - the "diva" beat with a chorus sung by soulja boy

weird idea, i guess it's good that they're committed to still pushing the album even though sales haven't been huge -- enough room on the disc that they could add 4 or 5 new songs

"Love vs. Money: The Hangover (Extended Version)"

which track gets the alternate Galifianakis vid?

My fav is still "Take U Home 2 My Mama" tho. the backup-Dream doubling the lines stuff is super fun, especially "..cuz I'm already gone (I'm already nyeeah)"

it's selling pretty well isn't it? it's gonna out sell love/hate by a bunch at least

they should just release "mr yeah" instead of this thing

400k in 3 months, not bad but nothing special, still 150k behind the first album.

I don't listen to this album outside of "RSoM/Mr. Yeah" anymore. Going with "Mr. Yeah" mainly because of the chorus and the outro. Can't decide if the bridge is just dead weight, or needed in order to contrast with that brilliant outro, which I think is 1. the best 10 seconds of The-Dream ever and 2. a metonym for The-Dream's style

"Right side", easy. otm about the intro being great. this track embodies everything I like about dream.
my second best would be "take you home".
somehow, I like "fancy" but almost never want to listen to it...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

the "brrrriiiiing" after the first "take you home to my mama, home to my mama, home to my mama, yeah" is the best single sound on "take you home 2 my mama."

so many good sounds on this record. the synth trumpet on "rockin' that shit"!

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

fuck you people and your walking on the moon bullshit.

haha these results are mostly ok w/ me. wish love vs $ pt 2 got more votes

Pretty surprised @ these results! "right side" is great and a deserving winner, but who voted "walkin on the moon?"

Walkin' on the Moon 5

really?

also i love that we pulled another 100 post thread on this album out of our asses

haha otm

jordan did u vote my love?

errr, for the song

nah i voted "right side of my brain"

so did I, although all the "Fancy" talk upthread persuaded me to move the thing into my iPod after several months. Thanks, thread!

walking on the moon? huh?

I would have figured Right Side > Fancy > Rocking That Shit > something from the Mama/LvM Suit > My Love

Walking on the Moon is such an eh track.

I considered "My Love" for a while - it was my favourite track on the album when it came out, but I feel like I played it out pretty quick. It really needs one more verse or something. It feels strangely lacking somehow.

h8 walking on the moon

i love fancy now

Will anyone own up to being the oddballs voting for "Walking On The Moon".

Haha -- "Walking On the Moon" did OK in the Stylus jukebox a couple of weeks ago. Stand up and be counted, knaves.

forgot to vote in this, but the right song won.

didnt vote 4 it, but dont mind it at all

Neither do I but the idea that it's the best thing on there is totally o_O

agreed, but going back and listening to it again, it actually is really incredible. the last minute especially, from "right side of my brain" through the woah-oh-oh's has so many neat little layered sounds that all contribute alot.

These poll results are screwed. "Walking on the Moon" has got to be the bottom of the album, but it's second on this poll? How did "Put It Down" only get two votes?

Heh, I voted for Walking On The Moon because I thought nobody else was going to, and it cheerfully reminds me 50s generic happy modern machine music/Joe Meek stuff I've been listening to a lot this year. I totally blank the Kanye verse tho.

I have to admit, I voted for "Walkin On The Moon". On an album full of great tracks, it's the one I keep coming back to. I like the spongy synths, and I LOVE Kanye's verse. I also think it also has the sweetest reverie and the most beautiful chord change on the album, in "I'd pull down a cloud for you/I'd circle the stars and bring you one back...".

I'm a sucker for those kind've fizzy strings - DJed this into Metro Area's "Miura" at a party to pretty great effect.

'love vs money pt 2' being the only proper track to get 0 is more o_0 than 'walking on the moon' getting a handful, wtf people the orchestration alone

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgcy3GYi9ec

everything on that kelly mixtape is dire

haven't heard the mixtape but i think i like the joint w/keri hilson, on one listen

yay for "right side". but the best thing on the album might actually be the transition from the end of "fancy" to the end of the intro of "right side" (basically, when the beat starts).
I also love how dream harmonizes with himself throughout "right side", going higher every time.

wish I'd voted for lvmpt2 now, can't remember if I voted right side of my brain or fancy

http://twitter.com/rnbgorilla

I think yall are giving "Put It Down" an underrate

otm

like shawty whats up

the-dream has 252 followers on twitter?

ikr!

yeah "put it down" is in the top half of this album quality-wise and probably got robbed more than any other track

The most HEARTBREAKING new I've heard. I love you Michael you are the inspiration for my muisc. R.I.P! THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHING YOU!!
5:56 PM Jun 25th from web

* Name Terius Nash
* Location Atlanta, GA
* Web http://the-dreamm...
* Bio The only positive byproduct of an industry asleep at the wheel is a dream.

roffle: http://www.rapradar.com/newsstand-stan/dream-x-christina-milian-cover-vibes-final-issue.html

lol dear

Finally came around to "Fancy" this week, after playing it a bunch on speakers instead of headphones. Agree with Jordan above about the drums and build and release and all that, but think my favorite part is about a minute before the end, when Terius joins in with the c&s'd vocal track that keeps on popping in and out; the wild, jittery way in which he goes "a-t-a-t a-t-L!" is awesome.

i think i'd have voted "rockin' that shit" if i'd known about this poll in time...

R&B GORILLA

I've been into "walking on the moon" a lot lately. mainly because of its great and clean production (the beat is huge and although there are a lot of synths and stuffs going on, there's a lot of space, somehow) and the "I'll pull down the clouds" part which lovely. Kanye is annoying, though.

i'm back at the top of the ferris wheel on this album and i'm starting to think that "put it down" is one of the three or four best songs on either album

yeah, I think that one, "Fancy" and "Love vs Money, Pt. 1" are the best here

put it down put it down put it down

all up on you like a monster truck
all up on you like shawty what's up

all up on you like a white tee on a thug

Spent a good two hours in a train station yesterday listening to Electrik Red --> LoveHate --> Love vs. Money

A-T-L-A-N-T-A-G-A IS WHERE I STAY

the way it opens is awesome

when love is the problem.......NOTHING CAN SOLVE IT

so kiss that nigga
hug that nigga
love that nigga to death
go head and please that nigga
feed that nigga
in time you'll see the problem's yourself

really like that part where he goes "had to run up right out the VI, pop that, seen you drop that, and now I'm like do that again" (gain gain)

that song is one of the oddest of his career imo - like i said upthread, it always immediately strikes me as aurally unappealing, really thin & flat & compressed. but it has some really great lyrics, my thing about terius being great at club sloganeering fleshed out over a whole song. plus the 'titties like woooHOOOOOH' part which is arguably the high point of his career and the keyboard whistles that punctuate throughout. it's a song with so many gifts that presents itself as so ordinary imo. i always have to remind myself how much i love it.

good summation; I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of its thinness, which applies to a lot of the album in general - probably the reason why I only really listen to Fancy through Mr. Yeah, and prefer LvH over this one.

yeah it's weird, like, "love vs money" and "love vs money pt 2", i think these are two of his best songs across either album, but sonically they're not "plain" but they are definitely less involved than a ton of the productions on the album. now, i think they work as this two part apocalyptic & hectic mini suite but i'm still taken aback sometimes at how abrasive and simple they are. but, i totally love & buy into them so i totally buy into the mood that tricky & terius were going for

ayo sarge I think your d/n has been done before fyi

damn really?

i don't see anything in search results \(o_O)/

Other great things about "Take U Home 2 My Mama":

• His awesome twang
• The way he slides into falsetto on the line "I'm makin' my way through the mother-*fuckin club*"
• The "OH SHAWTY DO THAT AGAIN" chant
• "I'm like...damn/ My niggas like *DAMN*"
• Another great slide into falsetto (he does kinda excel at knowing exactly when to do this) "Shawty look good/ Shawty look fly/ She said we could leave after one more dance/ I said *Take your time*"

I should listen to the damn Mariah album already.

either this or electrik red is my favorite album of the year depending on which i'm listening too

imo

for me it's similar except they are #2-3 behind Blaqkout

I think I just thought up your d/n at some point but never used it.

lol he tried to bite my "blap for that" a few days ago too ¯\(°_o)/¯

"take u home 2 my mama" has gotta be one of my favorite terius songs period but for some reason i always forget about it when naming my favorite songs from this album - it's not until i play the album and i realize it's coming up that i appreciate it.

anyway i think i'm back to repping "rockin that shit" as my favorite now - listened to this while lolhigh and the beat just fuckin jumped out at me like crazy, the synths are so fucking huge

like i said in another thread though, i've also recently come to the realization that most of my favorite terius songs are LOS joints, i could seriously listen to his schtick all damn day.

yeah "take you home" is so ridic -- just checked and unsurprisingly it's the most played song on the album in my itunes

i have an all-LOS playlist i've been meaning to burn to disc for a while, maybe i'll post the tracklist and see if anyone can point out anything i forgot

man i was gonna request that someone do that actually - ive been listening to a bunch of his shit recently but his wiki page is wayyy underdone, i'd love if you posted what you've got

at the moment it's just a basic mix of stuff from the albums i already have -- T-D and Electrik Red plus one track each from the latest Mario/Jamie Foxx/Usher/Mariah/etc. haven't gotten around to getting copies of all the scattered singles like "Bed" and "Stilettos"

which mariah track did he do?

listened to that karina pasian album last night too, he's got a couple great songs there too, as do tricky/dream

oh, "candy bling"...hmm

"1 Fan" from the new R. album is pretty good, definitely gonna do the shameless segue to or from "Kelly's 12 Play" for that one

yeah this song's dope, i need some sort of rss feed for LOS beats so dont miss these

lol he tried to bite my "blap for that" a few days ago too ¯\(°_o)/¯

― we beat so many gimp (k3vin k.), Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:23 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

?? i searched the archives & didn't see anything

listened to this while lolhigh and the beat just fuckin jumped out at me like crazy, the synths are so fucking huge

― we beat so many gimp (k3vin k.), Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:26 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

ftr all music sounds like this while high

i think u guys have conceptual and thematic confused or something xps cos i really have no idea what any of u r talking about when u start talking about how shit is conceptual and i went to art school for four years....

Courtesy of P4K Guest Lists.

(Ed Droste also had Lv.M on his best-of list but this was hilarious)

Chris Taylor, Grizzly Bear
The-Dream: Love vs. Money
Abner Jay: True Story of Abner Jay
Dirty Projectors: Bitte Orca
Nirvana: Live at Reading
John Maus: Love Is Real
Atlas Sound: Logos
Phoenix: Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
St. Vincent: The Actor
Cass McCombs: Catacombs
The-Dream: Love vs. Money (yes, it's on the list twice)

In fact, Memory Tapes and Wavves also list LvM on their best of the year lists, while the guy from Girls lists Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel as his special treat.

So...Terius is now the consensus indie-rocker pick apparently?

WOW SHOCKER

Nice to see the album finally get the love it deserves in indie circles. I wish I had thought of putting it on my end of the year list twice.

Too bad these indie fucks need approval from the dudes in Grizzly Bear before they dare crack open a mainstream pop/R&B album.

sock sock sock sock sock sock

Totally serious. Kudos to the Grizzly Bear dude, though, for having it on his list twice. That's just awesome.

And again, with the caveat that The-Dream needs no approval from P4K whatsoever, I'm sort of baffled that Rockin' That Shit is the consensus pick from the album? I mean, unless a second Terius joint is popping up in the Top 50 but that seems unlikely.

It might be the strongest single, I guess, but the brilliance of LvM is all in the deep cuts. And by "in the deep cuts", I mean "Fancy".

popular singles artist being praised for his most popular single of the year shocker

But he's not a popular singles artist exactly...I don't think I heard him on the radio once all year. For someone so high-profile in terms of writing credits, I usually have to explain who he is to people.

Wikipedia says Rockin' That Shit got to 22, so I suppose it's in the realm of actually popular, as opposed to Ryan Leslie or whatever, but if that's his highest peaking single, I think it's disingenuous to act as though radio-airplay and singles are how The-Dream's work's been consumed, especially in critical circles, especially given the acclaim for the album as a whole.

well it is still a tracks list & ppl are likely to vote for actual singles in those lists

Fair. Maybe it's my memory - I seem to recall Pitchfork going out of its way/having a tendency to frequently rate non-singles. Anyway, nothing interesting to say about this really. Recusing myself.

"Sweat It Out" is my favorite (deej, that's what I was thinking of but blanked on when I ran into you a few weeks ago).

gross

And again, with the caveat that The-Dream needs no approval from P4K whatsoever, I'm sort of baffled that Rockin' That Shit is the consensus pick from the album? I mean, unless a second Terius joint is popping up in the Top 50 but that seems unlikely.

It might be the strongest single, I guess, but the brilliance of LvM is all in the deep cuts. And by "in the deep cuts", I mean "Fancy".

― wrapped up, packed up, ribbon with a donk on it (Alex in Montreal), Monday, December 14, 2009 1:32 PM (14 minutes ago)

"rockin that shit" is both the best song and the biggest single, so it was a good pick

But he's not a popular singles artist exactly...I don't think I heard him on the radio once all year. For someone so high-profile in terms of writing credits, I usually have to explain who he is to people.

Wikipedia says Rockin' That Shit got to 22, so I suppose it's in the realm of actually popular, as opposed to Ryan Leslie or whatever, but if that's his highest peaking single, I think it's disingenuous to act as though radio-airplay and singles are how The-Dream's work's been consumed, especially in critical circles, especially given the acclaim for the album as a whole.

― wrapped up, packed up, ribbon with a donk on it (Alex in Montreal), Monday, December 14, 2009 1:38 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're being weird, dude. "Rockin'" got to #2 on the R&B chart (and was his 4th consecutive top 10 solo single on that chart), and was one of the biggest songs of the year on a lot of stations I listen to, still hear it on an almost daily basis 10 months or whatever after it's been released.

yeah, it's definitely been huge on the rhythmic stations in seattle & portland (although the seattle station plays a shitty remix with luda replacing the second verse). never heard anything else from lvm on the radio

might be worth mentioning that you live in canada.

do they have radio in canada?

radio in canada

worst band name evar

guys I'm shocked that Alex in Montreal never bothered to mention that he lives in Canada, shocked

it's not that he didn't mention it, it's that he didn't factor it into his observations

it was a joke dude

i know. but canadian radio is government controlled lunacy.

i know. but canadian radio is government controlled lunacy.

^

here we don't have like "niche" radio because the governement only allows like 8 stations in ur area including the classical music one so the idea of hearing the dream on "urban" radio or whatever is pretty alien to me, i can only take my own opinion that anyone who loves that album enough to make it a year ender surely picked it up for the fancy/right side of my brain cos that's its real distinguishing feature imo but you know that is my partic perspective on the matter iunwim

xp: as if the US gvmt has the slightest modicum of control over public radio

afaik the FCC does not mandate us to listen to the US equivalent of the bare naked ladies or the tragically hip

the US gov't does not have to insist radio stations play american artists, it's true.

here we don't have like "niche" radio because the governement only allows like 8 stations in ur area including the classical music one so the idea of hearing the dream on "urban" radio or whatever is pretty alien to me, i can only take my own opinion that anyone who loves that album enough to make it a year ender surely picked it up for the fancy/right side of my brain cos that's its real distinguishing feature imo but you know that is my partic perspective on the matter iunwim

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 4:20 PM (27 minutes ago)

well i disagree that everyone who likes the album likes it for that four song suite or whatever, kind of a dumb assumption. "rockin that shit" is a no-brainer banger, no need to overthink shit

saying this as someone who has never heard a the-dream song on the radio

xp: as if the US gvmt has the slightest modicum of control over public radio

I get what you're saying, but don't tell me that Clear Channel isn't empowered by a lack of anti-monopoly laws, either. Government does have an effect, however subtle, on most every sector of business out there. Radio is no exception.

if you get what he's saying then i don't know why you'd continue to make a completely separate and irrelevant other point

here we don't have like "niche" radio because the governement only allows like 8 stations in ur area including the classical music one so the idea of hearing the dream on "urban" radio or whatever is pretty alien to me, i can only take my own opinion that anyone who loves that album enough to make it a year ender surely picked it up for the fancy/right side of my brain cos that's its real distinguishing feature imo but you know that is my partic perspective on the matter iunwim

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 4:20 PM (27 minutes ago)

well i disagree that everyone who likes the album likes it for that four song suite or whatever, kind of a dumb assumption. "rockin that shit" is a no-brainer banger, no need to overthink shit

― k3vin k., Monday, December 14, 2009 9:49 PM (35 minutes ago)

okay but i just meant that aspect of the album is what sets it apart to the insane-dream-lust degree among 4 example ilm fans afai can c and rockin that shit isn't really representational of that, and year end lists are all abt being representational

Probably worth noting that you can't really put "Fancy" or "Right Side Of My Brain" or either of the "Love vs Money" tracks on a mix-tape, for example (owing to the way they're mixed as a suite), so it's a lot harder to enjoy them in isolation. "Rockin' That Shit" feels more standalone, hence makes sense to talk about it as one of the tracks of the year. "Fancy" is more about the greatness of the album, or perhaps more specifically the greatness of its "side 2".

okay but i just meant that aspect of the album is what sets it apart to the insane-dream-lust degree among 4 example ilm fans afai can c and rockin that shit isn't really representational of that, and year end lists are all abt being representational

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 5:28 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah but year end lists that are voted on by a staff of dozens of people are more likely to represent what all or most of those people have heard, like say a huge hit single, rather than a deep cut from its parent album that may not even score especially high on its album lists

yeah ok but i don't really reckon most of those ppl r listening to urban radio, and are instead getting their info via similar outlets to me, where the popular opinion is that its all abt side two but obviously this is all assumption but u have to admit it is fairly convincing as a story admit it

is there really such a strong consensus though? in this thread side one got 17 votes and side two got 22 votes, which isn't any kind of staggering margin.

wow my iTunes play count is much higher for side 1

best-dream single this year was "my love" easily

but yeah i don't get why a) if you loved the singles you wouldn't check out the album b) if you'd heard the album why you wouldn't choose "fancy" as the track to pick - def seems that that's the one that opinion's coalesced around

also didn't "rockin' that shit" come out way before 2008 ended?

Yeah, I guess Lex has elucidated my point in a far more logical and clear way. And if it were Rolling Stone, or something, I wouldn't be shocked with the big single placing, but the way Pitchfork's poll has always SEEMED to operate, especially with regards to albums/songs/genres outside of its "indie" centre has been via individual writers repping hard for albums/tracks and converting other writers who don't specialize in those genres. Similar to how I'm more likely to hear and thus rep for funky tracks favoured by Lex or Tim or others who have an in depth knowledge of UK Funky (even if they aren't the big hits). Or how I'm more likely to give the time of day to Gucci tracks that deej or j0rdan suggest.

Given that the people contributing to the P4K lists are, like us, a bunch of obscurantist music nerds. And given (not a HUGE assumption) that many P4K contributors wouldn't have given Terius or Electrik Red or whoever the time of day without SOMEONE strongly advocating for it, the end result being "Rockin' That Shit" seemed counter to my perception of the response to the album by the critical bandwagon. (I mean, it's not like they voted for Walkin' on the Moon, but nonetheless...)

And again, I think it's clear that my assumptions are way off. Scott P. said something in another thread about how deej's nomination of a second Gucci track split votes and led to Wasted being lower down the list (possibly because most non-specialists aren't/weren't willing to throw on two Gucci tracks in their top 25/50/whatever). So it's possible that something like that happened - a vote split between the big single and an album track that a Terius-fan on staff nominated, or maybe some dude is 100% right, and my ignorance of the various Billboard charts led me to have totally faulty expectations.

Anyway, my stupidity has resulted in a big kerfuffle over nothing, so let's just move on, shall we?

b) if you'd heard the album why you wouldn't choose "fancy" as the track to pick - def seems that that's the one that opinion's coalesced around

not to put down "fancy," but as great as it is, like are you really saying this six-minute long dream pop ballad near the end of an rn'b album is the obvious choice for a bunch of mostly indie-minded critics?

Actually, yeah. Given that the values that tend to be favoured by indie-minded critics tend to be experimentation, arrangement, non-standard song structure, etc. etc. 'Fancy' is exactly the song I would recommend to indie-minded critics in an attempt to sell them on The-Dream. Not run-of-the-mill R&B - but ambitious, musically intricate and starkly different from most things out there.

It the song that (on its own) most effectively lets you stake the claim for The-Dream as musical innovator. Ideally I'd throw on the self-referential song-suite that is Side B, but in a pinch, "Fancy" would probably do. It's worked, too.

("Indie-minded critic" is a category I include myself in, tbh.)

that should be true, but uh is there any precedent for that happening with pop and rn'b? electing a deep cut from a pop album rather than the single, i mean.

"fancy" isn't necessarily what i'd have picked to win over critics when i first heard LvM, but empirical evidence suggests it's the one that seems to have worked...

as great as "rockin' that shit" is, it's not the kind of standalone single that screams "pick me!" to non-r&b oriented critics.

and year end lists are all abt being representational

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 5:28 PM (2 hours ago)

not to pick on you here but, uh, since when are end-of-year tracks lists supposed to be representational of their albums?

i guess i just don't think of LvM as a pop album, really - coloured by near-total lack of UK success obv

b) if you'd heard the album why you wouldn't choose "fancy" as the track to pick - def seems that that's the one that opinion's coalesced around

not to put down "fancy," but as great as it is, like are you really saying this six-minute long dream pop ballad near the end of an rn'b album is the obvious choice for a bunch of mostly indie-minded critics?

― taoiseachizown (samosa gibreel), Monday, December 14, 2009 7:55 PM (13 minutes ago)

i agree with this b/c 1) who cares about what kinds of critics like what kinds stuff and 2) when you make up traxx lists you shouldnt be thinking "hmm okay so i need a track from [this album i love], which one on this album should it be?" it should be obvious to you; i prob won't have a dream or e red song in my top 20 but if i do it'll be "rockin that shit" because that's the one i play the most, both in and out of album context, not because i think it sums up the album or whatever

same kind of "which album summed up the decade" dumb writerly/narrative shit ppl always fall into, mad annoying

I think the fact that 90% of "Fancy" is a gentle R&B ballad would actually play against it being the "indie" pick. I think it's more the kind of track that tends to wow people who listen to a fair amount of R&B already.

it codes as a "different" sort of ballad though - the kind of consciously ambitious thing which might well appeal to non-r&b ears (the ballads that get dismissed are much more ostensibly generic, not to say melismatic, than "fancy" is at any point)

the part you guys are missing is that there's prolly no R&B album, even a critic/indie-friendly one like The-Dream, that PF would put a deep cut from on their tracks list. it's not like their Beyonce picks or w/e aren't singles too. even w/ rap albums it might be a Clipse or Lil Wayne deep cut but everything else is singles.

anyway i REALLY object to the idea that "Fancy" is universally agreed upon as the best song from this album, since again it didn't win this poll, and it's not even in the top half for me.

some dude otm, though I adore "fancy" and it's in the top 3 for me most days

also didn't "rockin' that shit" come out way before 2008 ended?

well, it leaked in December '08, didn't really pick up any airplay until '09

'rockin that shit' is dope & imo looking for 'fancy' would be like me expecting, i dunno, 'my shadow' to be gucci's token critic pick this year -- an excellent choice (in fact i was debating whether or not to vote 'fancy' as a single & decided not to bcuz i was voting for the album & that gave me another spot for other singles) but one that wasnt likely to get much support outside of the album's superfans

keep in mind that even w/ kells, most indie fans just new 'ignition' & werent really listening to chocolate factory

well said, and it's worth noting that p4k, for example, employs maybe 2 "superfans" of dream so expecting a deep cut is kinda unreasonable. but w/ something like animal collective or whatever, they've got like 20 die hard fans writing for that site, which is why there'll prob be 3 mpp songs in the top 10

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^^^ I think I failed to push The-Dream tracks as tracks for the same reason. This always happens with the Pitchfork list - I end up not voting for tracks where I loved the album, and then when i vote on the short list suddenly I'm putting those tracks in at like No .2, No. 3 spots.

tbh this is why I don't really like the "tracks" thing and always make singles lists, for P&J or whatever -- a straight list of my favorite songs of the year would be so redundant with my albums list and would feature so many tracks by the same people over and over that I'd rather just stick to singles as a medium in and of itself.

anyway i REALLY object to the idea that "Fancy" is universally agreed upon as the best song from this album, since again it didn't win this poll, and it's not even in the top half for me.

― some dude, Monday, December 14, 2009 8:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

the album is too well-rounded to bicker about a consensus standout track anyways.

xp: as if the US gvmt has the slightest modicum of control over public radio

I get what you're saying, but don't tell me that Clear Channel isn't empowered by a lack of anti-monopoly laws, either. Government does have an effect, however subtle, on most every sector of business out there. Radio is no exception.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, December 14, 2009 2:06 PM Bookmark

that was supposed to say "private radio". oops.

and year end lists are all abt being representational

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 5:28 PM (2 hours ago)

not to pick on you here but, uh, since when are end-of-year tracks lists supposed to be representational of their albums?

― k3vin k., Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:08 AM (5 hours ago)

nah, by representational I meant that, you know with pitchfork they want a list that shows off the full extent of their aesthetic, their ecectecism and weird wildcards that show how they can look outside their standard field of focus to find things that complement or offset their musical landscape

I suspect you're drawing a bit of a bow from pitchfork's historical love of remixes - but the thing with remixes is that, esp. for the period 2004-2006, when it came to dance music non-dance fans were much more likely to be into remixes of things than they were to be into original dance music tracks.

Pitchfork has never particularly celebrated R&B or hip hop non-singles in its end of year polls - non-single rap tracks that did well have almost always been radio hits at the very least.

looking for 'fancy' would be like me expecting, i dunno, 'my shadow' to be gucci's token critic pick this year

tbh "my shadow" is definitely the standout gucci track of 09 for me, and of everything he released probably has the most critical catnip

for some reason i didn't realise we were talking about the pfork list last night, so all i have to say now is "fuck it, who cares".

non-single rap tracks that did well have almost always been radio hits at the very least.

that's not entirely true, as i alluded to before, stuff like "Georgia Bush" and random Clipse mixtape tracks weren't radio hits. but yeah generally those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

tbh "my shadow" is definitely the standout gucci track of 09 for me, and of everything he released probably has the most critical catnip

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my personal experience suggests otherwise, which surprised me -- i had assumed it would be a big deal

which one did you find worked instead?

haha 'wasted' obv

IS HE ANY GOOD FROM THE BACK?

iirc he put it down

He's all up on me like a monst... er, wait.

call me ali the way i knocked your ass out

that line takes a bit of a u_u context for me in the wake of chris brown

yeah tru, it's just been way up in my head today

i'm increasingly coming around to the idea that the answer to this question is "kelly's 12 play"

"i'm finna stunt like my daddy up in here" is a pretty hilarious and weird lyric in the context of this song

i just noticed a really awesome lyric on "ditch that..." that i had never noticed

(during the bridge)

enter the phantom, proceed to creep
exit the phantom, up in them sheets

she spends her time
aboard yachts if not, somewhere tasting wine
in paris *accordion* seducing me while we dine

she's the dream of a billion men

lol @ a billion

lol

Um....hey guys.

Were we aware of "Touch and Feel"? Because somehow I missed out on it until today. Apparently the UK got different iTunes bonus tracks and one of them was this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLmnNjH0s9k

Boring.

my terius unreleased top ten:

1) i'm not ok
2) like i do
3) zodiac
4) tears fall
5) should've been you
6) ever since
7) hit it on the road
8) tipper love
9) hard to find
10) something new

maybe hit it on the road was released? if so could substitute with 'they don't know me'. some of the other mariah demos + 'bed' are also incredible but feels a bit unfair somehow to include.

i don't think "hit it on the road" was released but it's probably in my all-time terius top 10, not just unreleased

NOW LET THAT 808 BEAT UP ON YO AZZ~~

whaaat hit it on the road suxx

nah i love the way it grinds, it's a surprisingly effective club banger

patron....in my system

My top ten Terius songs that haven't even been written yet, but I already know will be awesome:

1) Aggressively Chomping
2) Motionless Contaminates
3) Inside-Out Vandals
4) Inquisitively Quivering
5) Frozen Misfortune of Yesteryear
6) Fantastic Rage
7) Timid Lobsters
8) Genial Exploration
9) Vibrating Madness
10) Orchestral Relics with Colorless Rondo

now expand to 64 and bracketize

hit it on the road was released as part of the deluxe edition of love vs. money. it's on Canadian iTunes at the very least.

xxp u forgot 11) Lord Custos

Cause WHEN LOVE IS THE PROBLEM, NOTHING CAN SOLLLLLLLLLLLLVE IT

Whoever did this is a total hero imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRbK61TjWLo

who's in love with your ass like crazy?

haven't listened to this in a long time, should pull it out

i have all 3 dream albs plus my fav etc tracks in 1 playlist that i bump constantly

i thnk i voted mr yeah but it changes all the time, obv fancy is a killer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-EcZ59Ia8

yooooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27gi7YkyPkc

(((d-_-b)))

I know it hasn't even been three years yet, but I want a special edition of this album so fucking bad. There's gotta be at least a disc's worth of outtakes and studio odds and ends, right?

this should have been the video for "fancy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRbK61TjWLo

oh lol i posted that a long time ago

i have an all-LOS playlist i've been meaning to burn to disc for a while, maybe i'll post the tracklist and see if anyone can point out anything i forgot

― some dude, Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:31 AM (3 years ago)

!!

this is how I know kev is sad, he's bumping dream threads

yeah i'm just reading all of them atm

this album was released ten years ago today

"The Right Side of My Brain," ILX?