NEW TERIUS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-WEcRU2ok
SHE ASK ME DO I RAP IM LIKE NAW BITCH I SING
― Morbius Jackson (The Reverend), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:33 (fifteen years ago)
So is this going to be a more rap-centric record? I guess you couldn't necessarily judge Love/Hate from "Ditch That", but it's not as if that was the first thing we heard from that record.
― Morbius Jackson (The Reverend), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:35 (fifteen years ago)
This is not from Love King, it's from the Love vs. Money re-release.
― Monday Nite Tranny Party (The Brainwasher), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:40 (fifteen years ago)
and it sucks
nah the chorus is nice and the beat is pretty great
― guido morbius (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago)
Forgot Love vs Money was getting one of those stupid rereleases also you are rong about it sucking.
― Morbius Jackson (The Reverend), Friday, 3 July 2009 19:59 (fifteen years ago)
i really hope love king comes out - i kinda hated the clip i heard of this but this its kind of dope yeah but it has that not quite right feel that bugged me about "diva"
― a poppy seed NAGL (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 July 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago)
smh so many potential hits already on that album that they're ignoring to push some shit that's almost as bad as "let me see the booty"
― some old dude with no impulse control (some dude), Friday, 3 July 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago)
I like this alot. It's the kind of thing that would sound absolutely epic in a club what with those pounding drums and the chorus is really droney and strangely hypnotic. I have no problem with The Dream's more carnal jams like this and "Let Me See The Booty."
― sobones_robin, Friday, 3 July 2009 23:35 (fifteen years ago)
ship otm of course
― a poppy seed NAGL (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 July 2009 23:36 (fifteen years ago)
everyone at def jam should be shot if they don't release "mr yeah" or "put it down" as a single
i think this song sucks & yall are letting some auteur-y narrative excuse some bullshit. brainwasher otm
― zzz (deej), Friday, 3 July 2009 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
maybe 'yall' is just kk iunno
nah im in the same boat as jordan and to a lesser extent some dude...decent song that should never see the light of day. "mr yeah" needs to be the next single, or "take u home to my mama"
― guido morbius (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 July 2009 00:44 (fifteen years ago)
But I don't get it, how is the name "Love King" a dichotomy
― I hurt your arm and now I want to dress your arm, please (dyao), Saturday, 4 July 2009 05:56 (fifteen years ago)
um it ain't? i'm not even sure how he'd be able to keep naming albums in that format anyway...Love/Hygiene, Love Vs. Sandwiches, Love Me All Spring, Pay Me All Autumn
― Dr. Morbius Banned : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated. (some dude), Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:06 (fifteen years ago)
Love Vs. Sandwiches
i would be glad to instruct terius on how to reconcile both of these in one's life
― a poppy seed NAGL (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:07 (fifteen years ago)
the secret is to love sandwiches
thing is at the end of the album he'd definitely choose sandwiches
― Dr. Morbius Banned : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated. (some dude), Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:08 (fifteen years ago)
"let me see the quiznos"
― a poppy seed NAGL (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:11 (fifteen years ago)
I'm waiting for The-Dream's Freudian epic concept album, Love vs Mummy
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:13 (fifteen years ago)
Hah I was just being playful; but I would gladly listen to all these albums; looking forward to the hit single 'Shorti is a 10" (Wawa)'
― I hurt your arm and now I want to dress your arm, please (dyao), Saturday, 4 July 2009 06:18 (fifteen years ago)
"Love Vs. Sandwiches"
lmfao
i knew a dude in college who claimed to have beat off into a sandwich then devoured the sandwich
and he was such a weird guy, i believed him
― I'M IN MIAMI, TRICK-OR-TREAT (Beatrix Kiddo), Friday, 14 August 2009 12:54 (fifteen years ago)
?????
― ¿pr que? (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 August 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago)
ray is such a weird guy, i believe him
― some dude, Friday, 14 August 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
is love vs. money the hangover still happening? silly title in any event
― Jacques_Lamure, Friday, 14 August 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
i imagine it'll be shelved just like that Paper Trail reissue once that awful single posted upthread inevitably stiffs
― some dude, Friday, 14 August 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
tmi, i know
― I'M IN MIAMI, TRICK-OR-TREAT (Beatrix Kiddo), Friday, 14 August 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
how about a special sauce joke? would anyone like a special sauce joke?
― tickle me imo (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 August 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago)
i see a 'sweat it out' promo cds around, did someone finally wise up and make make it a proper single?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLCG-pnlk4
karaoke classic for all time. SO PUT IT ON ME LIKE-!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 27 August 2009 11:39 (fifteen years ago)
I recently read somewhere that it's the next single. Maybe on his Twitter before it was deleted?
― lou, Thursday, 27 August 2009 12:21 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i started hearing "sweat it out" on the radio a week or two back XD
― some dude, Thursday, 27 August 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago)
i wonder how many more songs like "let me see the booty" and "hit it on the road" have to be rejected by the public before dude gets over his little 'i'm actually kind of a rapper' fantasy. "see right through you like you're bathin' in windex" is not a hot punchline, dog!! give it up!
― some dude, Thursday, 27 August 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago)
q: do you guys hear it as "she gon get that hair bone-straight" or like me did u assume "hairbone straight" comme ca
http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hanna-Barbera/Flintstones/Flintstones-Pebbles-BamBam.jpg
― r|t|c, Thursday, 27 August 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago)
(la reid lookin pretty young there huh)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 27 August 2009 13:26 (fifteen years ago)
so as much as i love the big the-dream thread, it's pretty damn big at this point & tons of the initial posting about love vs money is waaaaaaay deep in there, so i think an album specific thread is warranted -- not in the least bit because his profile is pretty big on ilm
according to twitter, terius is currently playing the album for the staff of the fader -- at this point in the lvm process, i think three or four songs had already leaked out ('my love' & the 'right side' demo iirc, as well as 'let me see the booty' & 'rockin that shit'), so we should be seeing some new stuff soon
terius also says he's shooting 4 videos before the album drops
― jizzchin (J0rdan S.), Monday, 8 March 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)
need some more terius in my life
― archer's goon (tpp), Saturday, 27 March 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)
u hear the ciara/terius??? thats more like it
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)
i keep forgetting that this thread exists
that's a really, really dope song
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 01:19 (fifteen years ago)
heard "love king" on the radio for the first time the other day, sounded really really good. are people still hating on that song?
― j@ggerlovesmanydudes (some dude), Thursday, 1 April 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)
Does anyone actually hate it?
Maybe the structure of dream-stannery means that not having your brain explode all over the thread now qualifies as "hating on".
― Tim F, Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:07 (fifteen years ago)
the new ciara is good not brain explody good but good, love king is still pretty whatever to me
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)
ha serioisly, what tim and deej said
I like "love king" fine now actually, but that ciara joint is more my style
― k3vin k., Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)
totally understand that the former is better as a single to
― k3vin k., Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:16 (fifteen years ago)
I was repping "Love King" hard on The Singles Jukebox, still love it as a stylistic smorgasbord
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)
yeah just heard 'speechless' for the first time now. sounding great!
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:04 (fifteen years ago)
i've realized that "speechless" is kind of like an adult version of "no air" -- the relationship has moved out of that suffocating/life-or-death phase & is now in happy as fuck, kissing all over the face, champagne corks popping (in the mind) phase
i'm sort of head over heels for this song, i REALLY want the cdq to leak
(and i hope everyone is okay with me reprising that thesis in my eventual jukebox blurb)
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:18 (fifteen years ago)
the horns during the chorus to me are like repetitive blasts of confetti
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think synth horns have ever sounded more right
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:21 (fifteen years ago)
i want to sing "speechless" to this song
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:22 (fifteen years ago)
i need an extra day on the week/ an extra hour on the clock/ just to show you how beautiful you are/ you're so good to me
<3 aw <3 aw <3
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)
it's like in "no air" they're rushing to get out every word they can, and in "speechless" all they want do is kiss each other and thank each other for being around
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:28 (fifteen years ago)
the horns are s00 amazing
i'm in a really bad mood today and not really feeling the sweetness of the lyrics haha
need to listen again when i'm not so grumpy i guess
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:34 (fifteen years ago)
feels somewhere between the mariah album + some of the stuff on 'how to be a lady'
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think there's anything close to this good on mariah's album
― 2 guys 1 jag (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)
i find it really hard to objectively judge terius songs now.
i'm hopelessly addicted and i'm happy to admit it
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 08:45 (fifteen years ago)
love the 'yeahs' are like the same 'yeahs' from 'mr yeah'
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:07 (fifteen years ago)
yeah....YEAH.....yeah...........YEAH!
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)
love that terius' lyrics on this are mostly about him buying shit....
real sweet dude rite
― archer's goon (tpp), Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:15 (fifteen years ago)
ok i should've said "fronting on" instead of "hating on" but still
― batwing rightshit cartoonist (some dude), Thursday, 1 April 2010 12:55 (fifteen years ago)
remix of love king with jeezy on radiokillarecords.com
mehh
― archer's goon (tpp), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
ok just heard speechless
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:32 (fifteen years ago)
u been so goood to mee-ee-ee
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)
The-Dream spoke to MTV about TI's comeback and also revealed the title of the follow up single to 'Love King' which will be called 'Sex Intelligent'
― just sayin, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:38 (fifteen years ago)
loool @ "Sex Intelligent"
― juaquin on sunshine (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
smh
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
I read somewhere else that the new single is called "Make Up Bag"
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
it's actually called "Make Up Sex (Intelligent Bag)"
― eenie meenie miney mo hater (some dude), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)
lolz
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)
"Make Up Bag (Intelligent Sex)"
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)
"Make Up Sex (....GARBAGE BAG!)"
― juaquin on sunshine (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
loll
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
M to the A, K to the E, U to the P... this new single is going to rule.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)
"love king" video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc9blqaurKI
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 April 2010 05:46 (fifteen years ago)
someone needs to update the official dreamapedia with all the douchey new outfits and dance moves he's trying and failing to pull off in that
― my heart will goon (some dude), Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:07 (fifteen years ago)
I'm prepared for anything...MAKE UP BAG
― armando white (dyao), Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:12 (fifteen years ago)
the "love king" video is actually kinda cool
i think the 5 o clock shadow is kinda flattering for him too
― goon with the wind (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
I wonder if he thinks he's wearing skinnies in the opening shot
― fuck in rainbows, after it rains (dyao), Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)
dream/TI "love again"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGIVbU8cB2Y
the drums and the horns make me think it's a Los joint but i'm not sure
― I Love Milf (k3vin k.), Friday, 16 April 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.vibe.com/content/long-convo-dream
― Number None, Friday, 16 April 2010 16:37 (fifteen years ago)
You’ve mentioned that your best song ever is “Fancy.” Do you think you topped it on this album?Yeah, it’s a record called “Take Care Of Me,” and it’s talking about ‘If I fight for you, fight for me.’ Just about having someone’s back in relationships. I definitely think that record tops not only what’s on either one of my albums, but it may be the best song of the year.Word? Sonically, is it in the same vein as “Fancy”?Nah, not at all. It’s more urban rock. It does have a variation of crescendo in the record though like “Fancy.” You definitely get that as I tell the story (plays record).
Word? Sonically, is it in the same vein as “Fancy”?Nah, not at all. It’s more urban rock. It does have a variation of crescendo in the record though like “Fancy.” You definitely get that as I tell the story (plays record).
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 16 April 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)
Dope interview, btw.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 16 April 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
It’s more urban rock
uhhhh
― po-mo da don (tpp), Friday, 16 April 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
You appreciate people for being comfortable with themselves. I would be too much if I was all cut up. Y’all wouldn’t want me. Think I talk shit now? (Sings) ‘There’s women swimming on my abs/Touching on my pecs/Licking on my muscles and ass cheek/Yeah’ (laughs) You don’t want that.
haha!
― po-mo da don (tpp), Friday, 16 April 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
loving the massive reference to 'its not ok' in the new one
― po-mo da don (tpp), Friday, 16 April 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)
'im not ok' sorry
― po-mo da don (tpp), Friday, 16 April 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
i think tinny horns are maybe my 2nd fav sound effect after a good old dog bark WOOF
― po-mo da don (tpp), Friday, 16 April 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)
yeah "i'm not ok" is one of the best songs he's written in the last year or so
― I Love Milf (k3vin k.), Friday, 16 April 2010 19:52 (fifteen years ago)
horns on the t.i. track are awesome
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, urban rock sounds a bit ominous. The Chronicles of Nicki EP tho!
― Number None, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:28 (fifteen years ago)
ha, i was at a listening session w/ a rapper recently and i'm pretty sure he referred to a song as "urban rock." it kinda sucked, obv.
― Ghetto Fastnbulbous (some dude), Friday, 16 April 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)
pushed back obv
OfficialDream LoveKing 6-20101 minute ago via Twitterrific
― artie flange (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)
aw
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 22 April 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)
lollin hard @ i minute ago btw
― plax (ico), Thursday, 22 April 2010 17:03 (fifteen years ago)
new beat, new verses, new hook that makes reference to the fact that it's the remix -- if kels aint gonna do it, somebody should
http://nahright.com/news/2010/04/26/the-dream-feat-ludacris-love-king-remix-tags/
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:42 (fifteen years ago)
also lol http://vimeo.com/11162656
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:43 (fifteen years ago)
the re-worked version of "walking on the moon" sounds kinda cool actually
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:45 (fifteen years ago)
he's literally sitting in a desk chair when he's singing "falsetto"
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)
O__________O @ falsetto dance
― ban c u tty (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
ehhh as great as this guy is in the studio, he has a ways to go as a live performer
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 04:23 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZcqIEJVV3A&feature=player_embedded
― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:27 (fifteen years ago)
lol duh rev, talking about the females
― ban c u tty (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 13:35 (fifteen years ago)
that wasn't directed at your post
― what a tragedy for gingers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 13:51 (fifteen years ago)
yeah he was just ok when i saw him last year - though he bitched afterwards about how small his stage budget was. "i wanted motorcycles! and helicopters!"
my friend cora say him in NYC the other night though and absolutely adored it, so.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)
*saw
Hey buds. First time long time. Terius is apparently hosting a show on The Heat tonight at 9pm Eastern. It's on Sirius. No idea what he'll play.
― Hoke, Friday, 30 April 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)
http://freshlyservedhiphop.com/2010/05/the-dream-make-up-bag-feat-t-i/
Enjoy y'all.
― Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)
so is "f.i.l.a" not on the album or are there two t.i. features?
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)
this is a nice song
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)
there's supposed to be 3 t.i features on the album
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)
jeez
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)
and yeah this is nice, best leak off the album so far... but still tho this isn't sounding up to par w/ the first two albums to me.
xpost yeah I know talk about overkill
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)
this def sounds like a more upbeat & clubby album
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)
I mean, but weren't the first leaks off Love vs Money "Let Me See the Booty," "Rockin' That Thing," "My Love" and "Walkin' on the Moon"?
― the gay guy from vampire weekend (Tape Store), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
^that's the position i'm taking p much (also the demo version of "right side of my brain" leaked)
― the rural führer (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)
ehhhhhh
― brandon softerserve (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 07:33 (fifteen years ago)
i like this but tbh it feels like terius should just take a bit more time over this album, it feels a bit rushed and rote so far
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)
outro on this is like
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:50 (fifteen years ago)
ciara leaks >> dream leaks imo
― brandon softerserve (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)
don't doubt the album will still be great tho
― brandon softerserve (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)
make up bag is really sweet
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:19 (fifteen years ago)
I've been trying to avoid as much exposure to leaks from this one as possible so I don't spoil the record, but so far everything I've heard has been pure bliss. "Love King" is in strong rotation on our local urban station, and it holds up to all the exposure, while a couple of those T.I. tracks have also been getting semi-regular spins, and they sound fantastic, too (especially "Love Again," which is so much richer and more lavish than pretty much anything else the radio is playing right now).
If Terius can balance this radio-fodder with a some darker, more cerebral moments and maybe a few thematic twists like he did on LvM, this could be another hands-down album of the year for me. But even if he doesn't, I don't think I'll complain. This is going to sound fantastic in my car all summer.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)
in fairness TI is such a minor presence on make up bag at least
― plax (ico), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
ya blind to the facts cuz you keep smokin that garbage
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:01 (fifteen years ago)
sorry rong thread (?)
?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:02 (fifteen years ago)
its a quote from a PE skit but imo that post was nutso auteur worship of the worst kind. 'terius' -- a sign things were going bad when we started calling him this -- is as capable of garbage as the next storch
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:05 (fifteen years ago)
blind to the facts on who you are iirc
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:07 (fifteen years ago)
no i understood what you were saying
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:07 (fifteen years ago)
the terius thing is super tongue in cheek btw, at least i always assumed it was
his songs for other artists are volatile in terms of quality, his work as a solo artist is less so
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:08 (fifteen years ago)
"Make Up Bag" is okay but I need a break from his voice tbh. I'd rather Blige or Ne-Yo sang this.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:10 (fifteen years ago)
ha, blige
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:11 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno i thought 40-50% of his last album was suspect dot gif
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:11 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, terius is just a funny name. if we were trying be all srs auteur is srs with it, we would call him nash I think
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)
five staaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAaAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAaAaAaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAs on a make up baaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaAAaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaAAaaAaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)
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yeah, no
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:13 (fifteen years ago)
i did at first but i came around. at this point i'm just resigned to being initially disappointed with dream albums until they open up to me (or maybe that's until i open up to them)
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
how many times have u listened to 'walking on the moon' voluntarily in the past 6 months
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
yeah good point, considering how that song makes up roughly 40-50% of the album
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)
"walking on the moon" def in the bottom 3 of that album but it's not a throwaway or anything, good production and the bridge is one of his best
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:45 (fifteen years ago)
6 times, apparently. I think the bit before Kanye's verse and then again at the end is my favorite little snatch of melody he's come up with. I like the song a lot and kinda wish he would do more uptempo stuff in general, as good as his slow jams are.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)
well obviously jordan that was a stand in for the rest of the record i dont like -- repeat ad naseum w/ my love/putitdown/sweatitout
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:50 (fifteen years ago)
walking on the moon is kinda unredeemable? dont get rev's taste lately
actually quite enjoyed thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFODVjcpww
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
"My Love" is kinda meh, but as far as the other two you are now dissing shit that is at least (at least!) 9/10 super dope awesome goodness.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
put it down/sweat it out shits all over the two "love vs money" tracks, always thought those two were a little overrated - wtf kinda challop is hating on "sweat it out" tho
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)
What is unredeemable about "Walkin on the Moon"? It is a fun song and was my initial favorite on that album. Even Kanye gets by on goofy charm.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)
i usually skip the lvm's too
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:53 (fifteen years ago)
The LvMs are totally the heart of the record to me.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:54 (fifteen years ago)
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based on me liking this blend im gonna say it has something to do w/ the paper-thin instrumentation in the original & the over-synchronicity of the vocals/beat. too kind to each other, no tension, no muscle to counteract dreams pretty ramblings
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:54 (fifteen years ago)
fancy-> the end is my fav
"this blend"?
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)
oh n/m didn't see that youtube
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)
I can't listen to music right now, but I love the buzzy but still kind of lilting synths on the original. Not sure what you are talking about by "the over-synchronicity of the vocals/beat", tho. The vocals rhythms in the verse are syncopated way against the straightforward beat.
Also, I love the way everything goes into bullet-time during the pre-chorus. And also, the bridge is like the sweetest melody there is.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)
wotm's rythmic tightness, which i think is part of what you're describing, is part of why i like it so much. it's like disco rn'b.
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:01 (fifteen years ago)
I would think of it as one of his most "muscular" songs really, after "Ditch That".
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:03 (fifteen years ago)
sweat it out, sweat it out, sweat it outlook at you, lookin like a milkshake
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:04 (fifteen years ago)
lex kind of ruined that song for me bc of his suggestion of what that line was supposed to mean :(
(obv it just means she looks like something sweat and tasty)
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)
my inclination is towards always thinking about gross shit, but i don't think he's talking about his jizz all over her tbh
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 04:34 (fifteen years ago)
deej is wrong about "sweat it out"/"put it down" but kevin is also SO WRONG about the 'love vs money's -- not liking those is like... missing the whole point of the album? those songs are just fucking massive & the transition between the two is one of the best points of the whole thing!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 04:36 (fifteen years ago)
i mean idk... those two tracks are just totally emblematic of what the album represents in terms of dream's career as an artist
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 04:39 (fifteen years ago)
I'm with kev in thinking those 2 are overrated and not what I put on when I listen to the album - how are they emblematic of what he's tryna do?
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:50 (fifteen years ago)
well i think 'love vs money' the album is defined by two things: that it's hyper-emotional & soul-baring & very confessional and operatic in that way and that it's much more sonically risky & adventurous than his first album -- viewed that way, the "love vs money"s are indispensable
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 04:57 (fifteen years ago)
even taken out of the context of the album i think they bang -- the percussion & his singing are insanely dramatic
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)
he went ham
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)
i mean, if you're not digging the 'love vs money's then you're cutting out like half of the albums heart idk -- if deej doesn't dig the album then i understand not digging those songs, but to love the album but think the two ballads "shit on" those songs is something that i don't.... comprehend really tbh
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:00 (fifteen years ago)
i mean spiritual syncronicity btween the beat & his singing, its like a double dose over-sugared
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:06 (fifteen years ago)
certainly "walkin on the moon" aged the worst with time out of any of these songs, but for me it suffers from placement more than anything -- i rarely play out the singles cuz i listened to them so much before the album dropped -- if walking on the moon was in the middle of the album i'd let it play out
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:07 (fifteen years ago)
xp mad lifted
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:07 (fifteen years ago)
certainly "walkin on the moon" aged the worst with time out of any of these songs
naw, "My Love" was the one that got kinda ho-hum for me. not sure if I heard WotM before the whole album
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:09 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, May 7, 2010 12:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
ehh I give him credit for trying but if anything those two tracks really reveal his deficiencies as a singer - not only does he have a limited vocal range but he also has limited emoting abilities. he's at his best when he's letting the production & music speak for him. I just listened to the two again and damn if I didn't feel embarrassed for him, going "when loooooove is the problem / nothing can solve it" just came across as so false & contrived.
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:10 (fifteen years ago)
really have no idea what "spiritual syncronicity btween the beat & his singing" means, totally vague there
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:10 (fifteen years ago)
looking back @ the album I always start it at Fancy anyway
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:11 (fifteen years ago)
I love his emoting on the LvMs, tho the first moreso than the second. Jordan otm about them.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:12 (fifteen years ago)
xp not sure you're actually listening to the "album"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:12 (fifteen years ago)
we're like two posts away from "this album would make a better EP!!"
dyao u r crazy
the album is overrated as a music-delivery medium tbh
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:13 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, May 7, 2010 1:12 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
OTM
Don't think i've ever really skipped anything on it except for "Let Me See the Booty" which I mostly just try to forget ever existed.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:13 (fifteen years ago)
anyway I think I've been put down as being pro-LvH multiple times on these the-dream threads so it shouldn't be a big surprise. if you want to talk 'albums' then LvH makes much more sense as one than LvM.
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:14 (fifteen years ago)
both albums are great. u b on some false dichotomy shit
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:15 (fifteen years ago)
yes
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:16 (fifteen years ago)
on a more positive note I think I've come around on the love-king single whatever it's called. it def. is terius paint-by-numbers but it is still a jam
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:18 (fifteen years ago)
also fancy -> right side of my brain transition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lvm's transition, and is more representative of the album for me
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:23 (fifteen years ago)
also wonderin if terius pays one of his crew to follow him around and go "eeeeyyyyy!" in the background 24/7
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:24 (fifteen years ago)
best transition on that album is "Take U Home 2 My Mama" into LvM1
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:24 (fifteen years ago)
wanted to take you home to my mama
wanted to take you home to my mama BUT NO
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:25 (fifteen years ago)
otm -- actually that's the transition i was talking about
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:26 (fifteen years ago)
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, May 7, 2010 12:12 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
totally agree... 'all this time i was kissin her goodbye' is some heart-wrenching shit
― INGMAR BIRDMAN CÅSH MONEY (Future_Perfect), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:26 (fifteen years ago)
i agree w/ daoyo, better as an EP, 'rockin that shit' was a lead single that aged well, walking on moon was a single that 'aged' poorly (or...was just poor)
rev what im talking about is that there is no tension, everything feels too happy & too resolved, theres no dynamicism btween beat & vocals ... its all just one big redundant twee sugar rush
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
like, the vocals & beat lock into each other too much & theres no friction thats what i mean by syncronicity
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:32 (fifteen years ago)
i def like the "love vs money" joints a lot, i just don't think they're the best part of the album and could kinda care less if they represent "what the album's all about" or whatever, that's some rock crit bs imo - anyway it's kinda just an updated (but inferior) 'nikki' -> 'she needs my love'
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)
really hesitant to come off like a terius skeptic here, cuz he's obv my favorite artist and LVM is prob my favorite 09 album, but i just never really got into those two like everyone else seemed to, as good as they are
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)
i totally love the sugar rush aspect of it. i don't get "twee" out of it at all tho. different strokes.
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:48 (fifteen years ago)
Right Side = Fancy > Kelly's 12 Play > Rockin' That Shit > Mr Yeah > LVMs > My Love = Put It Down = Take You Home > Sweat It Out > Walkin'
But really getting worked up about the badness of anything seems odd to me.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)
Agree that terius stanning increasingly makes me take a step back though - it's like reading someone offer a reductive, easily-critiqueable over-simplification of yr political views, like "you don't speak for me!"
― Tim F, Friday, 7 May 2010 11:51 (fifteen years ago)
yeah idk I guess i'm talking about them as if they're singles, which they're not - i def don't skip them or anything
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:53 (fifteen years ago)
xp
wait a second do people really dislike "let me see the booty"? fuckin jam imo
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)
ha consensus is it's pretty wothless but i've liked less popular songs
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)
many of my friends who i've shown the album to that's the only song they like
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:34 (fifteen years ago)
worth your time if only for the melodies on "if you ain't got no booty then you better go home" and the "eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh-BOOTY" going throughout
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:35 (fifteen years ago)
going "when loooooove is the problem / nothing can solve it" just came across as so false & contrived.
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, May 7, 2010 5:10 AM (8 hours ago
forgot how much i love this bit
― plax (ico), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:45 (fifteen years ago)
we're like two posts away from "this album would make a better EP!!"― J0rdan S., Friday, May 7, 2010 12:12 AM (8 hours ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, May 7, 2010 12:12 AM (8 hours ago)
This is the worst kind of music crit fallback line. I could take nearly 100% of the full-length albums on my shelf, remove my less enjoyed songs, then say it "makes a better EP" -- but that's not the point. Albums are meant for stretching out, covering a greater stylistic range, taking more risks and detours... to knock any album down to EP length really misses the point, I think.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)
Also, this whole album's great. One of those albums where my favorite and least-favorite songs totally switch up every time I play it through. One spin I may be really feeling "Sweat It Out" or "Walkin'" -- then the next spin I'm onto something else. But really, they are all great songs.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)
Albums are meant for stretching out, covering a greater stylistic range, taking more risks and detours...
albums are meant for people with 9 or more good songs
(I haven't heard this yet, just saying)
― da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)
"Good songs" is subjective. Albums are meant for 9 or more songs... possibly.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, May 7, 2010 9:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
uh yeah i think that was exactly j0rdan's point. i have a rant in some thread years ago about how useless the "it's a good album but it would be a great EP" thing is.
― iiiinfinite jjjjest (some dude), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:13 (fifteen years ago)
actually I take it back, this album would make for a good 30 second sample for the next girl talk album
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)
i realize "good songs" is subjective, but saying the point of an album is to explore and all that shit is exactly why we have bands trying to go straight from Please Please Me to Sgt. Pepper's. Album's aren't necessarily about RISKS and DETOURS, they're hopefully about having quality material.
― da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
otm
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)
bang on bongos and invite the string section to the studio if you must, but don't share it with the class unless it's, like, good.
― da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
was tryna think earlier today about what is the equivalent form of the album in other mediums. maybe like a book of poetry??
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
a short story anthology
― da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.thehouseofoojah.com/audiobooks/media/ccp0/prodlg/SevenLawsDeepakCD.jpg
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
an album is kinda just like a really long song when you think about it
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:26 (fifteen years ago)
If the long songs sound like this it's okay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyG7C_AfRdo
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)
ok 'make up bag' is amazing. all this standing around waiting for him to drop some next-level evolutionary shit is sweet and all, but standard-fare well-no-real-surprises-here terius is one of my favourite things in the world and i just want more of it.
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Friday, 7 May 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
Ditto. Especially since it sounds to my ears that Terius is getting even better at the whole standard-fare Terius thing.
― Evan R, Friday, 7 May 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Friday, May 7, 2010 8:19 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol
― el j debarge (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)
just want to defend "let me see the booty", there really isn't any consensus that it's bad! it's a banger
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 8 May 2010 10:46 (fifteen years ago)
People hating on Walkin' on the Moon has left me baffled.
― Dwight Yorke, Saturday, 8 May 2010 11:56 (fifteen years ago)
if I ever get a really really really expensive speaker system with a massive low end the first song I will put on is 'fancy' to hear that last minute
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:16 (fifteen years ago)
"let me see the booty" is amazing
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:31 (fifteen years ago)
OK -- I've come around to "Make Up Bag."
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)
glad to hear the consensus is not a consensus
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)
tbh honest itt im pushing a little harder than where i probably actually 'am' on this record, but listening to the breathless flawless genius stuff is equally off i think, i.e. defending 'my love' or 'walking on the moon' like those are even in his top ten. i dont even know what to say about contraristanning for the lil jon collab
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno, i mean i think they're fun songs and i like the guys sound
― plax (ico), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:00 (fifteen years ago)
i think theyre just like, bad, like i never want to listen to them so. its not so much even that there 'not in his top ten,' they wouldnt make a top 50 songs i want to listen to right now at any point since i first heard them.
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
i spent a week trying to remember what mariah song her verse was from before i remembered it was from My Love, that one at least is full of these slow burn ear worms that get planted in ur brain and slowly grow there w/o u realising
― plax (ico), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
yeah mariah's verse there is great, love how she switches from that breathy falsetto to full voice
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
deej, you seem to have completely lost sight of this lately, but some people will enjoy some music more than you and some people will enjoy other music less than you, and both of those things are perfectly ok and not signs of disingenuousness on their part
― el j debarge (The Reverend), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:16 (fifteen years ago)
i dont believe u are being anything less than genuine
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
xxp 'my love' is great but that part at the end where mariah goes into the stratosphere almost breaks my ears
― Did you in fact lift my luggage (dyao), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)
alright, cool :)
― el j debarge (The Reverend), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)
i wonder if this is true
― contl;drizer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 May 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)
"this" being http://rapradar.com/2010/05/12/the-dream-fbi-sting/
damn dream be snitchin
― retarded candle burning at both ends (dyao), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:02 (fifteen years ago)
loooool
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)
i love that there's a three-person team hacking dream's email
― contl;drizer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 May 2010 04:20 (fifteen years ago)
also love "champagne"
― Tape Store, Thursday, 13 May 2010 07:11 (fifteen years ago)
imo that's awesome, really every major artist who's had people stealing records off their hard drives and e-mail accounts should be doing that shit
― some dude, Thursday, 13 May 2010 12:55 (fifteen years ago)
read from the bottom up
OfficialDream get a job buy your shit the same way you pY the Man for gas and lights! I guess we all down with the Feds then! Buy yo shit! Don't steal less than 20 seconds ago via Twitterrific
OfficialDream So what's the problem , oh yeah that's right y'all never worked for anything! So u would feel away, it's 99 cent nigga u ain't got a dollar 3 minutes ago via Twitterrific
OfficialDream I'm not going to kill anyone so since everybody got something to say tell me what would u do! This isn't about people who buy they shit 4 minutes ago via Twitterrific
OfficialDream To let someone contiinue to take from you when the people who are doing it are being directly disrespectful to what I put my hard work In to 6 minutes ago via Twitterrific
OfficialDream Stole your car you call the police, if your mother gets robbed in the parking lot she calls the police! Don't try to act like y'all down 7 minutes ago via Twitterrific
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― contl;drizer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)
it's 99 cent nigga u ain't got a dollar
― contl;drizer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)
i know what it feels like when the night demons come
― plax (ico), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)
less than 20 seconds ago
More to come...?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:57 (fifteen years ago)
OfficialDream The Trap! This is what Apple does, this is what Coca Cola would do! Stop fakin like y'all just got money to give away cause I don't!! 4 minutes ago via Twitterrific
OfficialDream From me Im running a legitimate business! As long as they taxing me 40% the Feds work for me and anybody else that pays taxes! This ain't 7 minutes ago via Twitterrific
― contl;drizer (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ this ain't the trap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBXqOYfVTc
― Number None, Sunday, 23 May 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)
something called sex intelligent floating about too
― plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)
dunno if its a new leak or
apparently he's putting out a mixtape, "my black everything" will prob be on that
"sex intelligent" has been talked about as being on the album for a while tho & it's pretty awesome
― mr. milquetoast (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 May 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)
i think this is my favourite dream youtube of the year so far
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Monday, 24 May 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
y'all sleeping? this. is. stunning.
"i know this song is over but i can't get up off ya"
― lol dope (Tape Store), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 07:46 (fifteen years ago)
baaaby girl
― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 07:47 (fifteen years ago)
I'm kinda waiting for the album to hear anything other than "Love King" tbh
― upper mississippi sh@key mo (The Reverend), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)
i've only been listened to each leak once
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
"sex intelligent" is the first leak to really grab me in more than a "eh, i guess i like this" sense
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 15:46 (fifteen years ago)
as its gotten warmer, "love king" has really clicked w/ me more. the remixes are still lame tho
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)
"sex intelligent" is pretty massive
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:40 (fifteen years ago)
the-dream using these screwed vocals all over the place has made me kind of fascinated by the chopped & screwed versions of his songs on youtube
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:47 (fifteen years ago)
this is arguably even more heavenly than the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyqp1tIZNJY
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 16:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
nahhh, the luda remix is def one of my fave things this year
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:09 (fifteen years ago)
yeah the rmx is awesome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:10 (fifteen years ago)
btw
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/LOVEKINGARTWORK.jpg
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:11 (fifteen years ago)
it looks like he ate his way out in the shape of a heart of a cake
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:12 (fifteen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Jamiedodger.jpg/250px-Jamiedodger.jpg
def the correct biscuit synergy 4 dreamer imo
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)
i saw this bs mini interview someone did with him recently asking dude what xtina milian's "bangingest meal" was if she's meant to be such a good cook and he just paused for a while and said "one time a couple months ago she did this dressing..."
he had his shades on but you knew the tear was there
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:26 (fifteen years ago)
"look at you, lookin like a milkshake... shit... that's a good idea........."
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:28 (fifteen years ago)
― r|t|c, Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
haha u can only get posts like these from rtc
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)
**not joking** rest of music crit needs to step its game up 4 real
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 12:04 (fifteen years ago)
Nice cover art. I like.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:13 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, def makes up for the wack-ass LvM cover
― upper mississippi sh@key mo (The Reverend), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:30 (fifteen years ago)
not sure how i feel about that cover
― ma/y/aoi (Future_Perfect), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
i make every nigga irrelevanti'm sex intelligent
― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)
the ice cream headache LvM cover was hilarious, this one's just boring
― some dude, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)
"my black everything" is my fave off this project so far.
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 15:48 (fifteen years ago)
surm otm
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.thisisrnb.com/2010/05/the-dream-love-king-tracklist/
01. Love King02. Make Up Bag feat. T.I.03. F.I.L.A.04. Sex Intelligent05. Sex Intelligent Part 206. Yamaha07. Nikki Part 208. Abyss09. Panties To The Side10. Turnt Out11. February Love12. Florida U13. Love King (Remix) feat. Ludacris [Bonus Track]
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)
looking forward to the epic 'abyss'/'panties to the side' suite personally
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
panties can step to the left
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
lol it's just like the last album where the first four songs are the ones that leaked
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
07. Nikki Part 2
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
still makin love to nikki (pt 3)
― münchausen by proxymuzak (m bison), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
nikki goes to jail (pt 4)
is this where we find out that milian is nikki?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
lol i love this ilm shit where ur thinking no one's around it's a quiet day on here and then soon as u post some terius miscellany 7 dudes jump out the bushes like whoa
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/3f52de42d29366b2ccdad3916dd6bf60.gif
well we know that deej is the "stfu" guy
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)
kevin is prob "omfg"
okay I'm mad "my black everything" isn't on it
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
"panties to the side" most anticipated
i am most anticipating "yamaha"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)
esp it involves dream making a video like lil b where he just sits on a motorcycle in a showroom and sings the song
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:11 (fifteen years ago)
i'm most anticipating "february love", no one ever sings about february and i'm curious as to terius's take on it
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)
february has always been my favorite month
― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)
i mean what a fucking name
"abyss" should the track he was saying is better than "fancy"
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)
Florida U is intrsting 2 me
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
!!!
Nikki pt. 2
skldfjlsdkfjlsdf
― lol dope (Tape Store), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
Nikki Pt. 2 is being followed by like a "Chronicles of Nikki" EP, isn't it?
― Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)
but does this mean F.I.L.A. no longer features T.I.? or are there two tip-assisted songs next to each other?
― r|t|c, Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkwell we know that deej is the "stfu" guy
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkkevin is prob "omfg"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:06 PM (1 hour ago)
hahahahahahahaha this is an amazing gif
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 May 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)
unpopular opinion i'm sure but i hate "Nikki" so much, was the song that kept me from getting into the first album for the longest time.
lmao @ terry on the "beamer benz or bentley" remix, so hapless
― some dude, Thursday, 27 May 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)
falltime
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)
terry!
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 00:29 (fifteen years ago)
no one ever sings about february
HI DERE
http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/216190/valentines-day-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-profile.jpg
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)
that kinda looks more like jamie foxx, i dunno
― r|t|c, Thursday, 27 May 2010 14:18 (fifteen years ago)
I remember one time my best friend was all like...there are two hit songs that mention "February" right now...what is the meaning?.... and I was like.....dude, you are making too much of a total coincidence...
they were "Damn" by the Youngbloodz and "Pon de River, Pon de Bank" by Elephant Man iirc
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
sex intelligent..i love it. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabygurrrrrrrrrrrl
― pollos da don (tpp), Friday, 28 May 2010 11:59 (fifteen years ago)
you can't match a love like mineit's like tryin to rob me with a bb gunbut my love gets it poppin like the taliban
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 31 May 2010 10:13 (fifteen years ago)
fila - the "okay" reminds me of the bleeps in "take her home to my mama" same cute jokiness. Its a bit standard but the timing on introducing new elements is pretty great.champagne - Weirdly i kinda love Diddy in this, even if he's barely there. This is the best one I've heard off this yet, the call response bit is really infectious.love king - this kinda suxx ass, can't really get past the first bit which is sortof lurchingmake up bag - Lyrically this is my favourite, also those chopped-steel-drum-sounding synths. Kindof a "fancy" joke, i think. I can picture the couple in this song exactly -DO NOT STAY FOR DRINKS AFTER DINNER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IT WILL GET AWKWARDsex intelligent - havent heard
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago)
champagne isn't on the album
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:34 (fifteen years ago)
lol really?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)
the two ti tracks are in a row? that is so weird
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:41 (fifteen years ago)
yeah it is
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)
on wikipedia they have it as "sex intelligent (remix)" which would be cool -- part 2 implies that it's kind of just the continuation of part 1 -- remix obv implies more of an r. kelly style thing
iirc "sex intelligent" has a part at the end that seems like it would be a segue? but maybe i'm misremembering
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:44 (fifteen years ago)
if ti's the only guest on the record i'd argue it works a lot better both tracks together like that - he kinda turns into terry's mack subconscious rather than oh hey this guy again.
what would suck is if (like the tracklists suggest) they took ti off 'fila', cos he is as crucial to that as he is mildly irrelevant to 'make up bag'.
― r|t|c, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
so is champagne just an offcut then?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)
or off diddy's album, idk
― r|t|c, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)
doubt it tho, diddy has like one line
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)
i think dream intimated that it was for last train
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)
oh ok yeah maybe there was another diddy leak i've confused it for. havent heard champers in that case.
haha, i keep tentatively wanting to post my ruminations based on listening the 4 leaks in album order (don't act like you havent done the same) but i know it'd be sooooo lame.
― r|t|c, Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
hey dreamthose niggaz aint got no moneycheck this out
you wanna be ballersshot callers, brawlersbitch we dippin in them porsches with the spoilersshe got that networkso imma hollaand she in my networkso imma call hercheck the tail numberon the g5its like a championshipwhen we arriveholla at dreamabout the fourth LPbad boy managementshow us who got the money
― plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)
i'm still curious about that track dreamer's been hyping for what feels like years now as "better than umbrella" off the diddy album. i assume it's not "champagne"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 7 June 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
200,000 in my pocket like a dope dealer
― plax (ico), Monday, 7 June 2010 10:05 (fifteen years ago)
somethin about the way he says "now i'm all up on her like 'oh! oh!'" that makes me think of when you see a little dog tryna hump a (sortof oblivious) bigger dog
― plax (ico), Monday, 7 June 2010 10:16 (fifteen years ago)
on Fila
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3niuazvZ91qz7gtqo1_400.jpg
i think MIA is on the cover too but I could be wrong
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:29 (fifteen years ago)
what can i say, dude knows how to bask in the sunlight
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.ok4me2.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/image/ok8_31/image/ok9_16/Lizard.jpg
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:35 (fifteen years ago)
cover reminds me of their RAWSE cover
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
knowing how much j shep loves the-dream, i was pretty confident that he was gonna be on the cover, but i'm still super, super stoked tbh -- about as excited about a major mag piece in a while
prob gonna buy two copies so i can cut the photos out and put them on my wall
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
Is Fader any good? Never read it.
― ksh, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
i was certain fader collapsed last year? in any case i haven't seen it in a newsagents since like 2008
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
don't you live in ireland?
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 04:16 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's really lame that he got put on the cover with MIA. they should have given him the respect of at least sharing with one of their perpetually irrelevant indie bands. but then again they've already dropped to 8 issues a year and are prob only gonna be publishing for so many more months, so I guess they can't exactly hold anything back.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
we have shops here
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:22 (fourteen years ago)
magazine killa
― donk quixote (The Reverend), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago)
oh, make up bag has a video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-MMmJAi8A
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
this song is kindof like an answer record to hit em up style
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago)
damn near excruciating one at that
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago)
hah at least its not all gifable eyerolls
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
still prefer those tbh, as like a knowing celebration of terry's fundamental starfactor ineptitude or whatever
this one is just kinda depressing
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
loooool there's always been something about his loverman songs that I haven't accepted and I think this is it
― evan's schlong: glorious (billy), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
aren't they all loverman songs?
― cutty, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
<3 "all black everything", dreams so corny sometimes but it works imo
ima hit it like crackim fien'in'she on a black roller coasterstraight screamin'lips singin' on my microphonestill got my fitted onside note,u should download this as your ringtone
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
i know the song is over but i can't get up off yacome on baby closer. get up on this coasterand ride it out ride it out until my theme park closesgrind it out grind out until the park re-opens
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
he's doing "make up bag" on kimmel this week
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
Pfork has the deluxe edition tracklist up:
Love King:
01 Love King02 Make Up Bag [ft. T.I.]03 F.I.L.A.04 Sex Intelligent05 Sex Intelligent (Remix)06 Yamaha07 Nikki Part 208 Abyss09 Panties to the Side10 Turnt Out11 February Love12 Florida University13 Veteran *14 Priceless *15 Take Care of Me *16 All Black Everything *17 Sorry *18 Love King (Remix) [ft. Ludacris] *19 Love King (Remix) [ft. Young Jeezy] **
* deluxe edition only** iTunes bonus track
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 10 June 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago)
what the hell, when did you finally change your dn?
― ⚖ on my truck (dyao), Thursday, 10 June 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago)
Yup.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 10 June 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
I just heard the album from start to finish for the first time. It is fantastic, well worth braving the abhorrent PlayMPE format for. It's a much smoother listen than Love vs. Money, with much less turbulence, and many more conventional slow jams, especially in the album's second half.
"F.I.L.A." does not feature T.I., but the song holds up well without him. A lot of the overt Prince homages from Love/Hate are back, but I think they sound much better here. Closer "Florida University" is the album's most conventional pop song; very perky and simple and Akon-esque. For me it breaks the spell a bit, but maybe that's why it's sequenced last.
"February Love" is the song that will most likely top future ILX polls; it may even out-fancy "Fancy." Six minutes of Bacharachian balladry that gives way to nervy, defensive raps.
Some diehards may be disappointed by the lack of complete curve balls and gut punches here, but there are still plenty of smaller twists and surprises, and to my ears Dream has done a fantastic job refining and distilling his sound down to what works best. I think the album is pretty much perfect.
― Evan R, Monday, 14 June 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
bigbabydrool.jpg
― johnny crunch, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
can't be long before this leaks then i guess
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
dang
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
asdkl;fjslkdfjslkdcms
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
ahhh!
― fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcS0aYJ2a8
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago)
i wish i could have a google alert for the "length" section of the tracklist on the 'love king' wiki page
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 06:13 (fourteen years ago)
nerd time ... would this work?
1a) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love_King&action=history 1b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_King2) enter one of the above two into: http://www.changedetection.com/2b) an alternative: http://www.changedetect.com/
(really pumped for this! almost afraid i'm gettin' too excited)
― pearsonic, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:02 (fourteen years ago)
both of these are demos for other artists i think cuz both feature acoustic guitar prominently. i guess we'll see.
"ever since" http://hulkshare.com/lhn7tusmoggb
this sounds like something he might write for jojo or bieber. has that innocent, polished teen pop vibe too it. or maybe natasha beningfield. you get the idea. it's good imo.
"in time" http://hulkshare.com/qiww0xt75je1
this one is a bit more adult contemporary, also very mid tempo. sounds like babyface or something.
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
If you can forgive the formatting, here's the track listing and lengths. Total playing time 54:44—it actually feels much shorter, but it's nice hearing an album that's not stuffed past the 70-minute mark.
AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Love King from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:11AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Make Up Bag ft. T.I. from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:43AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — F.I.L.A. from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:11AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Sex Intelligent from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:05:10AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Sex Intelligent Remix from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:02AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Yamaha from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:55AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Nikki Part 2 from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:02:41AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Abyss from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:38AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Panties To The Side from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:06AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Turnt Out from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:04:25AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — February Love from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:06:15AVAILABLE14-Jun-2010 The-Dream — Florida University from Love King (Explicit) Def Jam Records 00:05:27
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
ysi?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
evan r.!
what is 'sex intelligent (remix)' like?
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
Feather-light and breezy.... "She want me to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-mix this...." Very R. Kelly, more of a sequel than a remix.
I think it's safe to say this is The-Dream's prettiest album; almost every track goes down very, very easy, without the grit and noise that Love Vs. Money sometimes threw in your face. But the songs are still emotionally bruising.
One of the most striking is a track called "Abyss," which is sort of a sequel to "Love vs. Money Pt. 2." The song keeps its cool, but the chorus is cold-blooded:
"Cry 'til you drown your face/ Bitch, I could give a damn how harsh this may seem/ But I'm here to put your heart in its place/ Chained up at the bottom of the lake."
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
dayum
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
12 Florida University13 Veteran
Musical tributes to higher education and the military. Classy guy, and a Patriot to boot.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
Evan R!
Do you actually HAVE all the songs?!
Leak it???
Or like webcam that shit and just play it though! :D
And Nikki Pt2? Better than Nikki Pt1?!
― Fyler, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
And nikki pt2 is only 2 minutes!!! ?????
― Fyler, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago)
AND I thought Love King was like 5:00 or someshit?
― Fyler, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
I have access to a (kind of clumsy) stream that was sent out yesterday—which actually isn't much of a heads up, considering how soon the record drops—so I'm excited to start reading some more reviews in the coming days. I think there were some (mostly indie-leaning) media outlets that were a little slow to catch on to Love vs. Money that might try to right the wrong by jumping on this one. I hope so, at least.
Nikki Pt. 2 is much brighter musically than the first Nikki, though it's still an F-you song, and it transitions into the much longer (and much, much more brutal) "Abyss." It pays off really nicely, though some might be put off by how closely it mirrors the Love vs. Money suite on the last album. He can definitely be accused of repeating himself here.
What primarily separates this album from the last one, though, is tone. This is a much lighter, more agreeable album, with less clutter and more instant payoffs. That might mean some fans are less passionate about it, since it's not as challenging, and probably not as much of a grower, but I can live with that. It's pure ear candy, and the song writing still punches me in the gut.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
Dude Somehow, someway. Give us snippets or something of some songs... please? lol i cant wait im dying over here!!!!
― Fyler, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
SO. PSYCHED. Thanks, Evan, for the descriptions. I think that's more than enough.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
la reid would personally snipe evan r
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.complex.com/blog_galleries/album-preview-the-dream-love-king
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
^^^def don't trust their taste
i emailed the UK PR. on holiday for the next two weeks so i guess the UK release isn't gonna happen any time soon (or it'll be one of those accursed soft releases whereby the record label doesn't bother telling anyone - PRs, journalists, anyone - that it's happening.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
there are so many things wrong with complex.com, but their taste is pretty much the one thing that isn't
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
kid cudi uber-fandom aside
on the other hand, this preview is fucking terrible -- whoever wrote this is about as talented at describing music at my shift key & seems constantly surprised that someone would actually try & sequence a record well
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
Evan R
EVAN R!
- Which song has these lyrics (I heard it on this video: http://www.islanddefjam.com/artist/videos_single.aspx?artistID=7288&mid=2933) It's "The Love King Experience Pt1:
"I Used to love ya, (shawty) / You used to love me, (shawty) / N now you left(shawty) / quit thinkin of me (shawty) / You want me back, (shawty) / I can't do that (shawty) / Grab some patron (shawty) ..... ????
― Fyler, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
this is terrible
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
what is!?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
fuck this preview why am i clicking a button to read a half-assed sentence per song
I think u just answered yr own question
― nakhchivan. nakhchivan. nakhchivan i wanna rock ya (The Reverend), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/OfficialDream/status/16256599049
LoveKing in stores @SWRV_TV
TERIUS!!! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??
― gay sauna manthems (LOLK), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
oh i think it's an instore appearance /:
― gay sauna manthems (LOLK), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
you guys are freaking out
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
srsly
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:23 (fourteen years ago)
Hey Evan R! Thanks alot for the info. Does Abyss, musically, sound as menacing and dark as Love vs. Money: Part 2? That was my favourite song off that album. Or are there any other tracks on Love King that are quite as dark musically?
― polaco4984, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://parlourmagazine.com/2010/06/the-dream-chats-rumors-marriage-and-new-baby-violet/
― exit through the (Tape Store), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
great dad
― exit through the (Tape Store), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
"I thought about going out with a bang but I’m black, I could be telling a lie."
― exit through the (Tape Store), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago)
that interview with him in honey was kinda infuriating. sounds like a fairly miserable dude to talk to (as he always sort of has)
― Jacques_Lamure, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
Does Abyss, musically, sound as menacing and dark as Love vs. Money: Part 2? That was my favourite song off that album. Or are there any other tracks on Love King that are quite as dark musically?
"Abyss" is similar, but probably not as dark. The album as a whole is a lot lighter musically. I'm in the same boat, though; "Love vs. Money Part 2" was the song that most blew my mind on the last record; I would have loved to hear an album as tortured and out there. But as a summer pop record, Love King is pretty unimpeachable.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
Thanks again Evan. I really can't wait til I hear this album. And I just heard that he has a line on Sex Intelligent that goes, “6-7-2011 I’ma drop that Love Affair.” Thats great news!
― polaco4984, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.ozonemag.com/2010/06/14/12-reason-the-dream-shouldnt-quit-love-king-album-review/
LOVE AFFAIR COMING 06/07/2011
― polaco4984, Thursday, 17 June 2010 07:37 (fourteen years ago)
http://usershare.net/yc4n5qnhveey
New track from Love King - Turnt Out
Sounds amazing! Classic baby makin' ish!
― polaco4984, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:44 (fourteen years ago)
this is my shit
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 June 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
man
just got off at 5now it's back to work
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 June 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder how many of these songs he can make before it gets old? probably never?
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 June 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
when i get home i am going to listen to this at least 10 times
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
looool that couplet
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
"turned out" has ground my life to a standstill -- i'm like obama checking for leaks right now
― Youve Beenexposed (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 June 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
there's an incredible song here, but i want something better quality
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 June 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago)
turnt out is great can't wait to hear it in the context of the album
i kiiiinda love that demo "ever since" too.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 18 June 2010 09:15 (fourteen years ago)
hey i like this one
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Saturday, 19 June 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
turnt out?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
y'all i'm nerding out
there are clips up on amazon O_O
http://www.amazon.com/Love-King-Dream/dp/B003JZT2AC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1277006589&sr=8-1
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
:D
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
ok that sample of "turnt out" is promising
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago)
more jams like 'turnt out' and my mom will be a grandmother sooner than she thinks.
― Cunga, Sunday, 20 June 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago)
heyo
ilx dream stans be havin sex
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 05:21 (fourteen years ago)
I have successfully resisted temptation to hear anything other than the title track. I really want to hear it all in full for the first time.
― uppers epilepsy sh@kedown (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:08 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^^
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:17 (fourteen years ago)
it helps that rev doesn't have sound on his computer
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:18 (fourteen years ago)
"yamaha" sounds really awesome... love that cooing synth running through the background
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:33 (fourteen years ago)
"abyss" def sounds like the "love vs money"s
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:36 (fourteen years ago)
"panties to the side" = "ditch that"
"feburary love" has those "fancy" pianos
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:38 (fourteen years ago)
"florida university" sounds like something he'd write for bieber or jesse mccartney
his songs have become modern pop classics, and as common in the family car as they are in the club.
The only way a song called "Panties to the Side" would've been played in my family car would be if mom wanted to show evidence that the world had gone completely wrong and that Jesus' return was imminent.
― Cunga, Sunday, 20 June 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago)
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:18 PM Suggest Ban PermalinkBookmark
yeah, but I can sometimes listen to stuff on other computers
― uppers epilepsy sh@kedown (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 08:00 (fourteen years ago)
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, June 20, 2010 2:36 AM (8 hours ago)
this is exactly what i thought
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
prob means ill end up not liking it that much tho - all the rest sound promising
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
Cunga is your mom going to liveblog the whole album?
― fantast (ico) (some dude), Sunday, 20 June 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
lolling
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/arts/music/20playlist.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
that's the best interview with him i've ever read i think
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
wish it was longer
― geremi crossed the ball today (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
I’m like the craziest messed-up person in my mind. I have a body full of tattoos and am probably going to go upstairs and put a tuxedo on. It’s this collage of a life that I have, that can go from driving around in a ’72 Impala with some rims on it to: “Could you please give me a Maybach, and if you don’t get it, you’re fired.” It’s the weirdest thing. I don’t get it sometimes. What am I? You’re everything. Everything that you see and everything that you want to see. The things in your past make you who you are, so you can’t leave them behind.
!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
jesus what an asshole
― plax (ico), Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
so this leaked i think?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
it's leaked and my entire twitter feed is either listening to it or cursing their slow internet
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
the DELUXE edition! the 320s!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
end of "yamaha" slaying me. the ECHO!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
I was just about to leave the house. :(
I think I still am, but I will have a present in the cd burner for myself when I get back.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
lol i should get on that
― Cunga, Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
oh motherfucker
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
best weekend ever
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
and i know this may sound stalkerishbut it's because you are the shit
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
feel like i am reading spoilers
― ico-friendly plaxic bottle (m bison), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
"take care of me" O_O
i'm trying not to be too spoilery! but this fucking song~
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, June 20, 2010
lol!
― quick fast like Rommedahl (zvookster), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
Stalkerish is truly a word of our time. must be its first appearence in song? so much more zeitgeisty than mentioning twitter etc.
― quick fast like Rommedahl (zvookster), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
haha taking a leaf out of brandy's book for "sorry"!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
worked all fucking weekend so now i am listening to this all the way through on my hi-fi with a beer AMAZING AMAZING AMAZING
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
dudes I listen to R&B on the radio, but I've never bought a full R&B LP . . .
I'm listening to this now and :-D
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
that was the perfect end to an amazing few days there. done. amazing. goodnight yall.
(if i wasn't so broken and tired i'd be starting it all over right now.)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
thanks lex btw! nite!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
no probz!
to-sleep perchance to-dream now
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
sounds like more layers of vocals on 'love again' that the version that leaked? sounds beautiful
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
it sounds like they adjusted the mix so the horn riff isn't as present
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
2010 ksh = 2009 ilxor
same thing happen to him w/r/t R&B?
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
i think i've bought, like, "Umbrella" on Amazon or iTunes or something, and I listen to rap/R&B radio, but this is the first time I've actually sat down to listen to an entire LP in the genre
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
= 2008 k3vin k = 2007 j0rdan s
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
omg sex intelligent remix
from beijing to pakistan (paris man?) i be making love to this ATLien
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
hahahaha yamaha is fucking stellar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
feel like after the run of 4 tracks i'd heard before we've just blasted off into space
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
tell me what ya'll want next uptempo Slow, whatever the album is deeper than space!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
woah februrary love is classic classic terius
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago)
'florida university' on the other hand is not good
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
so thats the closer of the 'normal' album? i dunno maybe its a grower.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago)
so what "take care of me" is terius' x-factor semi-final entry?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago)
haha rev
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
also ayoooooooo
― k3vin k., Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
ok the bonus tracks are pretty hit or miss. there's a lot of amazing on the album tho
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
curse my nap. downloading now.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
and curse rapidshare wait-times.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
where r u dudes finding this
― ico-friendly plaxic bottle (m bison), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
six more minutes blah.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
um. google blog search "love king" "Deluxe edition" and go from there.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
thx brah
― ico-friendly plaxic bottle (m bison), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
i like "florida university", good end
― sisilafami, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
Staring at the '36%' on my suddenly slow Internet is torturous, esp. as everyone posts their rxns. Concerned that the critical discussion about Love King will be done by the time I hear this thing, tbh.
― Alex in Montreal, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm maybe its gonna be like 'mama' for me. i mean i am the biggest terius sucker but i never got that one
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
the run from sex intelligent -> yamaha -> nikki pt. 2 -> abyss feels like the heart of the album and there is a lot packed in there! bed for me now tho
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
Why is the album version of Love King almost a full minute shorter than the single version?
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
this is the no foolin' retail version yeah?
― dyao, Monday, 21 June 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
OOOH. New intro to sex intelligent w/ chopped'n'screwed "face down / ass up" etc.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago)
fuck yeah, yamaha
― gay sauna manthems (LOLK), Monday, 21 June 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago)
new "sex intelligent" intro is fucking dope
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
download complete
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago)
okay so i'm listening to this... the drum pattern in "Yamaha" just put a big ass smile on my face
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
F U F U F U Florida University XD
― gay sauna manthems (LOLK), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:18 (fourteen years ago)
even tho we've already heard these ones, the flow of the first couple songs reminds me of his first record. totally glad "love king" has grown on me, tho it's no "shawty is da shit!", which is prob my fav dream single
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:18 (fourteen years ago)
I'm liking this album more than LvM so far
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
anyone who thinks kaka did anything out of the ordinary there is insane
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
hahah whooooops
;_; away from a computer with sound for a couple of days. have fun ya'll
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
the coda to "sex intelligent (remix)" !
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
the coda to "sex intelligent (remix)" !!!!!!!
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:29 (fourteen years ago)
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago)
oh man tricky kills "yamaha"
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
pretty sure it's a tricky joint
"february love" is kind of dragging...
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
it's no "fancy" that's for sure
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
everything up until "nikki pt 2" is really reminiscent of l/h & from "abyss" on you get more of the lvm style songs
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
yeah otm, and unsurprisingly i like the first half A LOT more
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
"veteran" is really good -- it's actually maybe his most r. kelly sounding song
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
"turnt out" is def on the l/h side tho i think
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it's a lot like "luv songs"
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago)
the sequencing there from "panties to the side" -> "turnt out" is pretty much a direct reference to "ditch that" -> "luv songs"
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
only none of those songs are as good as their l/h equivalents :(
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
i like the alarm in "panties to the side"
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really like "ditch that" much at all and i'm feeling "panties to the side" - jordan u otm about that transition tho
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
"sorry" is kind of amazing.
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago)
even tho it kind of reminds me of The Lion King
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
i'm gonna get to the bonus tracks tomorrow
"february love" is kind of a drag tho, "florida university" ends it on a good note tho. this is pretty solid on first listen
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
bonus tracks are kind of lame besides "all black everything" and "sorry"... "priceless" is cool but too long
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
i think all of the bonus tracks are pretty dope -- i think i'm gonna pretend like he put out an EP 3 months from now
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not gonna say much about the album until i listen to it two or three more times
i read somewhere that he actually is putting out an EP... The Adventures of Nikki or something lol
― The Brainwasher, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
*anticipates*
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
― k3vin k., Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:18 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
THIS. (Including "Shawty is Da Shit!")
Had to take a break for plans with friends. Starting back w/ Yamaha and the production is gorgeous.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
And, yeah, he mentioned in an interview that he'll be putting out an EP called The Chronicles of Nikki which tells either the whole story or tells it from her perspective. I forget which.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
i hiiiiiiiighly doubt it's the latter haha
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 June 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
Just tuned in and, uh, hmmmm, okay... not quite?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
this is so fucking great. i danced down my stairs to "yamaha" just now because that is what the song demands, okay, that you fuckin react all bodily and shit
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 21 June 2010 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
careful guys, terius may be working w/ the fbi on this to sting all of you
― dyao, Monday, 21 June 2010 04:31 (fourteen years ago)
i was kidding, stephen
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago)
I hope "Take Care of Me" gets some sort of release outside of bonus track hell.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 21 June 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
I just pressed play.
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:31 (fourteen years ago)
rev are you listening on a http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/13/an4/sony-discman-d-141-lut-50.jpg?
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 05:33 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I'm about to do the same. I'll stop watching, er, definitely not [/i]True Blood[/i], for a spell to listen to this.
― rennavate, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:35 (fourteen years ago)
(About to do the same, i.e. about to press play.)
I been all night patronin
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:37 (fourteen years ago)
dyao, I am listening on a big stereo
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:38 (fourteen years ago)
MAKEUP ON MY COLLARITS ALL ON MY SHIRT BUT I AINT EVEN HOLLER
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:39 (fourteen years ago)
ok, finally about to hear this in full!
i tested out the soccer mom theory in the ice cream shop tonight by playing "yamaha" 15 times in a row. i didn't learn anything except that "yamaha" is brilliant.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 21 June 2010 05:39 (fourteen years ago)
"F.I.L.A."! <3 <3 <3
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago)
Love the bratty "yah!yah!" ad libs so much and oh shit the c&s rap at the beginning of "Sex Intelligent"
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:46 (fourteen years ago)
oh shit this is so r. kelly
abyss abyss
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 21 June 2010 05:53 (fourteen years ago)
the rap on "sex intelligent" is kinda really not good at all, and i usually don't mind his rapping :(
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:54 (fourteen years ago)
I think I don't like "Yamaha" as much as "Fast Car" afaptsg (as far as prince-ly terius songs go) at least not yet
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:58 (fourteen years ago)
oh wait but the extra parts at the end are really cool
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 05:59 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ "nikki pt 2" riffing on "every girl"
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:00 (fourteen years ago)
omg his falsetto on "turnt out" is so purrrty
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:13 (fourteen years ago)
his falsetto sounds so much more assured than ever before
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:19 (fourteen years ago)
HELL YEAH I ALREADY TOLD YALL NIGGAS I'M A MOTHERFUCKIN HATER
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
"sex intelligent (remix)" makes me want him to stop making new music & just put out song-for-song remix albums of the first two joints
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
alright, i must say, the "sex intelligent (remix)" rap verse is extremely, extremely #based
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 06:22 (fourteen years ago)
"Florida University" is one of those songs that makes me think that the whole song would be one punchline in a lil wayne song :(
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:28 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it's no "kelly's 12 play"
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 06:29 (fourteen years ago)
i like the acoustic guitar in that tho
hey once everyone digests this, go and listen to the new gucci mane mixtape
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 06:40 (fourteen years ago)
"take care of me" sounds like something he might've written for 'rated r'
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago)
SENT YOUR PHOTOS TO TMZ
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
Sex Intelligent remix thru' Turnt Out!!!!!! Just love the way he sequences his albums.
― not-in-a-good-moment (pandemic), Monday, 21 June 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago)
think in my excitement i just sb'd someone by accident
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 09:14 (fourteen years ago)
"panties to the side" sounds like a song i really dislike....something produced by david guetta?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 09:28 (fourteen years ago)
i really like the rap at the end of sex intelligent remix!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 09:33 (fourteen years ago)
just got to make-up bag. transition kinda jarring. absolutely loving the background piano - feels like the background music for some dramatic european car commercial. so ghostly
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 09:59 (fourteen years ago)
those synth horns!! this is a real return to form
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:02 (fourteen years ago)
when did he fall off?
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 10:08 (fourteen years ago)
haw. well I think I'm well on the record for not regarding LvM as a completely grebt album. didn't really like the elektrik red album, a lot of his recent production credits left me feeling kinda meh. *shrug emoticon*
'sex intelligent' not doing it right now for me atm but maybe it will grow
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:11 (fourteen years ago)
wow @ yamaha!!
can't understand how j0rd can say he doesn't like 80s pop
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:17 (fourteen years ago)
so the wiki says there should be a love king remix on this deluxe edition -anybody's rar come with one?
― maybe it's because you're a tedious creep! (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:03 (fourteen years ago)
and i'll always adore yai will always love yacos i'm thinking of pleasing youeven after i f**ked ya
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:10 (fourteen years ago)
cos there's another level after that other level
indeed i believe there are 32 levels if i'm not mistake
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:13 (fourteen years ago)
I'm listening to this for the first time. Exciting. Love how this thread is like a return of the thread for the third Basement Jaxx album (which I guess this album is kinda equivalent of in terms of r'ship between artist and ILX at this point in time).
― Tim F, Monday, 21 June 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
feel like I should be surfing when I listen to yamaha
... or jetskiing... on a yamaha
― crüt it out (dyao), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago)
I can see the link between "Yamaha" and "Fast Car" (Prince obv) but they feel very different to me. "Fast Car" is a brilliant pop song. "Yamaha" is barely in a song, but in the best way, it's just gaseous delirium.
― Tim F, Monday, 21 June 2010 12:15 (fourteen years ago)
dude's use of piano is so awes.
― Tim F, Monday, 21 June 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago)
Y A M A H A !
― cutty, Monday, 21 June 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago)
the way the drums switch up in the last 15 seconds is wooooo
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 12:41 (fourteen years ago)
Preordered this... not gonna listen 'til it's in my hands.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
But this thread is v. promising!
so did this leak?
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 21 June 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago)
...
― cutty, Monday, 21 June 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago)
hey there fella sometimes people don't have to read a whole bunch of crap let alone try to figure out what some namelss faceless person online meant with a cryptic response consisting of only periods
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 21 June 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
*dont have time
it did
― ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
A week after I first heard it, I'm still really impressed with this album. I don't think there's a single dud on the record—even "Panties to the Side," which begged me to hate it at first, reveals a wonderful hook.
I don't think I'll cherish the album as much as LvM, because I don't think it's nearly as deep or as revelatory—there's nothing as unprecedentedly dark here, and its best songs don't quite reach the heights of a "Right Side of My Brain" or "Mr. Yeah"—but I think taken for what it is, this is about as close to a perfect summer pop album as we've seen in a long time.
― Evan R, Monday, 21 June 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
veteran is such a jam
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Monday, 21 June 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
Yamaha is dominating my brain/life at the moment. Wish he let out his Prince side more on the solo albums - a lot of Electrik Red's LP was very indebted to this sort of thing, but he does it so WELL.
Thus far Side A >> Side B. LvM was a clear Side B >> Side A. L/H is still the only one that seems balanced to me (Mama aside). After three listens, Panties to the Side and February Love are still waiting to grow on me, but everything else is damn good.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 June 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
I came around to February love once I accepted the fact that it's Fancy minus the big pay-off (both the rap and 'right side of my brain') and evaluated it on its own merits
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago)
How long is this album? It's taking forever to download.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
The actual album is pretty normal length imo but it does have five bonus tracks
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 June 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
i'm here to put your heart in its placechained up at the bottom of the lake
O_O
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
"Yamaha" is terrific but it's like two minutes too long. My heart sank a little when I noticed the average song length is 4:02.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
Dream songs are all about how they indulgently stretch and unfold tho. I have no idea why you'd want them to be shorter; you'd lose most of the good stuff.
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
He did just fine on the first album.
I'll shut up until I hear the rest.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
I said it on the other thread, I think -- I'd a problem with Dream turning every production into AN EPIC STATEMENT ABOUT LOVE AND BETRAYAL with the same bag of production hanky panky.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago)
Not even a majority of his songs are epic statements of blah blah blah (maybe about seven or eight between his 3 albums? "Yamaha" certainly doesn't fit that description) and his bag of tricks is varied enough that it isn't a problem.
I wrote this before:
One thing that strikes me about the [The-Dream's songs] is the pure generosity at work. Most second verses have completely different melodies from the first. Most tracks are overflowing with ideas, with sprawling, extended structures that keep on tacking on new parts. The songs are never long just to be long, they keep hitting you with new melodies, new lyrics, new sounds for their entire durations. Sometimes it gets a bit messy, but there's always a point to it.
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago)
"Sorry" makes a much better closer than "Florida University". Gettin' Shai vibes up in here. :)
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
I think his songwriting qua songwriting is at its weakest here - so the enjoyment is pretty much all about the generosity/"overload" effect, especially on the stretch from "F.I.L.A." through "Abyss", which is basically one long song and probably the smoothest attempt at a "suite" he's managed so far. When he tries to do simpler stuff here it's not bad but you can feel that he's done stronger versions of the same thing before.
I think "Abyss" is interesting in this regard because songwise and sonically it's like a slight return of the original "Nikki" and both parts of "Love vs Money" - less memorable a song than those and also less startling sonically. But the depth of it, the layering and the (again) generosity of the arrangement is kinda peerless - that's where he's pushing himself on this album I think.
― Tim F, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
When he tries to do simpler stuff here it's not bad but you can feel that he's done stronger versions of the same thing before.
Yeah, I pretty much agree with this here.
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
rev 30 minutes ago supremely otm
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 21 June 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
so i am very glad we live in a universe that now includes this album
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
wow abyss is just devastating
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago)
the leaks are all clicking with me now - "F.I.L.A." is amazing - like a hybrid of "rocking that shit" and "put it down"
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah F.I.L.A. is everything nice in this world
― crüt it out (dyao), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
"february love" is alright but kind of kills all the momentum the album had going, esp following "turnt out", a genuine banger
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
totally dig "florida university" - totally fun way to end the album
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
totally
actually rihanna would be great on this song!
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
Hope it doesn't become a Gators anthem though.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
ha it's funny cuz "florida university" doesn't actually exist -- i wonder if dream knows this
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
i'd love to think dream was halfway thru recording 'turnt out' as guide track for electrik red or something one day when he suddenly had the inspiration to do it as a x-gender 'falsetto' pt 2 instead - delightful, absolutely the best cut on this
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago)
ridin it out like baby, baby / my bad i meant to say - *baby* *baby*
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i kept thinking it must have been meant for someone else (e red? j holiday?) because i couldn't decide if he was pulling off the falsetto or not, but yeah he goes and gets it there
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
"sorry"
http://i38.tinypic.com/2lktbn4.gif
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
delightful, absolutely the best cut on this^^^ My first impression as well.
"All Black Everything" >>> a couple tracks on the proper album
― Suddenly Snoozin' (lou), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 13:46 (fourteen years ago)
re: "sorry":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IG5UsNwGls
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really have any thoughts on this album yet - i'm loving the feel of it though, being able to sink into it luxuriously, but "nikki part two" and "take care of me" are the only songs i'm really obsessing over so far. (nb i already adore "sex intelligent".)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 13:55 (fourteen years ago)
I'm actually not feeling "sex intelligent" atm
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
Neither am I. I am, however, rockin to "F.I.LA.," "Yamaha," and "Florida University." I really dig the canned horns on "F.I.L.A."
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
the transition from "love king" to "makeup bag" is so hilarious and playful. i really like the initial run of songs, before the tone changes to more srs mid section, perfect mix of that combination of boldness and goofball strut he does so well.
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i've really come around to "fila" -- "sex intelligent" has great tension and a v dope beat & he does the r. kelly ploy really well
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
"turnt out" is full-on isleys
― fleshlight come and me wanna go bone (m bison), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
also it is the best song on the album
― fleshlight come and me wanna go bone (m bison), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
"Sex Intelligent" is my early favorite.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
i definitely prefer the remix...it'll grow on me tho
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
loooove the cadence of "now get over here, wooo-man" on "turnt out"
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
Evan OTM about this being a perfect summer album
"Yamaha" is barely in a song, but in the best way, it's just gaseous delirium
I think this pretty OTM and I'd say it also applies to the album as a whole. it reminds me a lot of Memoirs...a bunch of candy bling.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
i think i'd agree: the sheer sound is so thick, rich, overwhelming, even more so than before - some of these synths and drums and layered vocals are slaying me
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
I was surprise to find that the only song tricky did on this is "panties to the side" and that Terius produced most of the album himself
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
whoa really?!
this production is GORGEOUS
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
i don't have the credits in front of me but i'd be shocked if at least "FILA" and "turnt out" weren't Los joints (plus "love king")
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
01 Dream, LOS02 Dream03 Dream04 Dream05 Dream06 Dream, LOS07 Dream, LOS08 Dream, LOS09 Dream, Tricky10 Dream, LOS11 Dream12 Dream13 Dream, LOS14 Dream, LOS15 Dream16 Dream17 Dream
Source: self
― Andy K, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
I really dig the canned horns on "F.I.L.A."
yessssssss
― cutty, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
i buy the house, i buy the furniture
― cutty, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
wait, andy are you saying that those are your guesses or do you have credits? i was most interested in "yamaha" cuz i feel like los is more indebted to that era of music (i.e. "friend lover") but tricky did do "fast car" & it's hard not to see "yamaha" as a part 2 of sorts to that
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
just notice that his repetition of "bag" comes very close to his sheep-like repetition of "baaaaaad/baaaaaaaaaad/bahhhhhhhhhhhd" on "i luv your girl"
i don't mind TI on this actually
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
i love right before the second verse in in "sex intelligent" where it goes "OH" and there's silence before the drum hits... cool little thing he added in on the new version
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
now let the water fall
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
ABYSS
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
i really love how the idea of a "remix" works in the context of "sex intelligence"... like dream is so intelligent at sex that his girl screams out "remix this" and he has to come up with a twist on whatever sex act he's currently doing... at least that's how i read it
this rap verse is truly based
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
also i love how throughout the album he refuses to say "fuck" and then on one of the songs at the end ("february love" iirc) he repeats "fuck" like five times
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
He says "fuck" in several songs iirc
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
oh
i remember a few songs where he makes a point of not saying fuck
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, "Florida University" and I think there's another one
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
well aside from that one... on "sex intelligent" there is a huge pause where he would've rhymed fuck w/ something & there's one other song
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
he definitely says the fuck word on at least "Yamaha" and "Panties to the Side"
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
oh the fuck word
― cutty, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago)
you are my destiny, childlow let's make us a destiny child
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
i think the record is sequenced really well tbh... "sex intelligent" into "nikki pt 2" is great... and i particularly like how "yamaha" -> "nikki pt 2" -> "abyss" takes this progression from this fun sort of fling, seeing a girl out and wanting to get with her or w/e into a nostalgic & warm song about a past fling into of course the super cold-hearted and vengeful song that's the total flipside of the "i heard you moved to dallas, hope you're doing okay" sentiment of "nikki pt 2" -- i think it's a totally realistic & common progression of emotions -- the whole album is sort of sequenced as peaks and valleys of emotion
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
in my reading of the sequencing of the album i can see why "veteran" was relegated to bonus track status (esp sonically) but it's a really fantastic song & a really interesting one in the context of his career
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
real niggas don't kiss...whateva
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
wait, andy are you saying that those are your guesses or do you have credits?
Yeah, should have said "liner notes."
― Andy K, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
ok cool, thx
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
"take care of me" is actually kind of v dope
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
HOW IS THE REV OUT HERE HATING ON "SORRY"
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
i like that he ends both the album & the bonus tracks on songs that are pretty much larks
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ the bonus tracks are really great
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
WHAT! I was like the only one NOT hating on "Sorry"!
― The Reverend, Monday, June 21, 2010 4:09 PM Bookmark
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't gotten to the bonus tracks yet -- too much to absorb.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:22 PM Bookmark
otm, he should do another rock ballad sometime (not too many tho)
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
Ha I thought that dog gif you posted = smh
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
The bonus tracks actually flow like an EP
Kevin posted the dog gif.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:40 PM Bookmark
Yes, this. As I was saying to you the other night, even this MF's bonus tracks have dope transitions. Dude is not fair to the rest of the game.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
absolutely love the chick who goes 'okay!" in F.I.L.A.
― crüt it out (dyao), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago)
^^ yes. She's like an extra set of canned horn charts.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
love that chick
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago)
also, its all about when those horns come in, the timing of it.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
The backing vocals on "F.I.L.A." remind me (are a quote from) something off LvM, but I can't figure out what. (Perhaps Right Side of My Brain?) Am I insane or does this make sense to anyone else...
― Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
well in the chorus he's sampling himself on "rockin that shit"
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago)
it also reminds me of a piece of one of his 2009 demos for lionel richie -- "i'm not OK".
― pearsonic, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
^otm, "i'm not ok" is one of his best songs for another artist
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
OK I am not normally into RAB at all but this album is pretty awesome, esp. "Sex Intelligent" --> "Remix." Also "Panties to the Side" is a definite highlight for me, though I prefer blatant sex talk to the (very) thinly veiled stuff.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:50 (fourteen years ago)
uh "though" should be "since"
also "Sorry" is cool, shoulda been the proper closer.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
The sheer variety of synth sounds on this is INCREDIBLE.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
am hearing a lot about the flow and sequencing of the album
and the production -- for example, the layers and almost visceral 'feel' of yamaha - the way it hits you
and also this which i agree w/: the sheer sound is so thick, rich, overwhelming, even more so than before - some of these synths and drums and layered vocals are slaying me
but what about the actual songs/songwriting? imo they are the weakest of his trio of albums. perhaps i havent let it sink in enough, need to give more of these tracks more listens. (also not trying to be a downer - love the album -it's just that he set a super high bar w/ L/H and LvM imo)
― pearsonic, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago)
february love is my most listened to track so far, it's so sparse and sprawling that it gives dream room to just throw ideas out there. awkward phrasing and rhyme in lines like "stalkerish" or "speaking of winter" or "destinys child" really shouldn't work but somehow they do. then he drops that awesome beat with a relatively standard dream verse and goes right into falsetto. then that mopey rap with catchy lines like "30ft ceilings/lifestyle appealin". just so much great stuff going on in this song
obviously it's hard to listen to this song without comparing it to fancy but where would fancy be without the rap at the end into right side of my brain? feb love definitely stands better on its own imo
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
...but what about the actual songs/songwriting? imo they are the weakest of his trio of albums.
Yeah, I'm getting this feeling too, on first listen at least.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
There are songs here that are up there with a lot of his best stuff but overall, sure, the songwriting isn't as good comparatively. There are parallels here to the recent LCD album
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
I luv both albums fwiw
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
if you in lovedon't you dare sing along with mewhooooaaaa whoooooaaa whooooooaa whoooooah
love this^^^^
― Moreno, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
― pearsonic, Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:54 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah there isn't a chorus on here as all-out flattening as mr. yeah or right side of my brain
― crüt it out (dyao), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
"sex intelligent" might have the best beat of any dream song
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
so many cool things going on
xps LvM took a while to reveal its tunes to be equal (superior?) of the first album, so I'm giving myself time to get acquainted with the new one before issuing such a verdict.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago)
I won't dispute that L/H had his most immediate tunes though.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 04:28 (fourteen years ago)
alright so it's on "sex intelligent" he goes "face down, ass up/ that's the way we like to OH!" and on the rmx he goes "i'm thinking of pleasing you even after i *** you"
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 04:31 (fourteen years ago)
btw what does "let's make out on the phone first" mean
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago)
'abyss' is my fav
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 06:02 (fourteen years ago)
i need you through nine more livesseeing your love 18 times through my eyes
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago)
really havent digested it yet (only dl'ed yesterday night) but right now im playing 'turnt out' and 'veteran' the most
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:15 (fourteen years ago)
forget you ever heard of methis short for florida, uni...VERSITY oh yeaah!
― crüt it out (dyao), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:54 (fourteen years ago)
Loving the album. The sequencing is fantastic. The whole thing flows just as well if not better than the other 2 albums. After a day to let it all sink in F.I.L.A. is still definitely my favorite thing on here. I'm also feeling Yamaha (closest thing in a long time to Little Red Corvette) and Turnt Out a lot. And I agree with Florida university being a great end track. Its funny as hell and fits with a lot of the themes on the album. "I used to say I loved you now I'm screaming fuck you"
― gman59, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
FU FU FU FU FU FU FU FU
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
just realised why "nikki part 2" is so poignant - it's addressed to nikki, she's the subject of the song, but in part 1 she was only an incidental figure - the song was addressed to the girl before nikki. and "nikki part 2" implies that the story played out in exactly the same way again...
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
And we do it until we're ALL ALL ALL ALL TURRRRNT OOOOUUT!
― rennavate, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
i always get it stuck in my head singing "and we'll do it till we're all the waaayy turnt out"
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
The repeated "all"s make the chorus. Love 'em! My early favourite song.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
Also, the more I listen, the less worried I am about any dip in songwriting... there are some gems here. There are hooks everywhere.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
SEEN A LOT OF PLACES, BEEN ALL AROUND THE WORLDA LOT OF PRETTY FACES, A LOT OF PRETTY GIRLSBUT THIS ONE IS FOR YOU, WHEREVER YOU ATSTILL GOT YOUR NAME TATTOOED ON MY BAAAAAAAAACK
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah was gonna say, this makes the prospect of an EP about Nikki (or from her perspective) a bit odd to me - AFAIK only Part 2 has been about her really? (unless The-Dream has forgotten the finer details of his own storytelling)
― Tim F, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
the latter interpretation did occur to me, i must admit.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 June 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
God I cannot wait to hear this next week.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago)
this album is horrible
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
; )
:-|
― fleshlight come and me wanna go bone (m bison), Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
lex totally otm, i came to the same realization independently a couple day ago
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
I hear k3v k goes to florida university
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
FU FU FU FU FU
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
even though "promise"-biting r&b falsetto is probably my favorite type of song in the world, period, i might like the last verse of "turnt out" the best.
good night, good morninglet's do it againget over here now woman
^^^the way he sings this makes me so happy, the little kells vocal run in the second line, then the rythym of "get over here now wo-man"
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 June 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
takes me a while to get through these albums, it's so dense it's almost overwhelming, like going to a really big buffet and wanting to just eat everything at once but your appetite doesn't outlast your desire to taste different dishes. i'm still really hung up on "makeup bag." i love the drums on it, and the skittery synths. even the ti verse. i'm not even going to touch the bonus tracks for now.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 24 June 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago)
she sayin sorry wont get itso sorry, cant hit it
I went back to "mr yeah" last night and was surprised at how sparse it sounds in comparison to some of the songs on Love King.
also just realized after about 15 plays the rising "whoooaaaa's" in F.I.L.A. - had always been fixated on the falling "aaaahhhs"
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago)
ha, buffet analogy otm
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
DROP FIVE STACKS ON A MAKEUP BAG
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
terius sounds like a p bad boyfriend
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:30 (fourteen years ago)
He's no Ne-Yo in that regard.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago)
enjoying this vague MJ style-biting at the end of 'abyss' ("oh yea baby! oh yea baby!")
― pearsonic, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago)
Based on "Fast Car"-"Walking on the Moon"-"Yamaha", I predict that there will be an uptempo MJ-style track on Love Affair.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:39 (fourteen years ago)
she said she had a man but i had to pursue her
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:43 (fourteen years ago)
am missing the latter T.I. verse on FILA; thought it made for a nice internal shift-up and lead-up to the bridge
but damn, the 5 extra coats of production and vocal polish make up for it
― pearsonic, Thursday, 24 June 2010 04:46 (fourteen years ago)
you are the meaning of love/ beyond any diamond i could ever dream of/ no pun intended
― The Reverend, Thursday, 24 June 2010 05:33 (fourteen years ago)
the part in FU where everything but the guitar drops out...!!
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 06:44 (fourteen years ago)
"f.i.l.a" is crazy, crazy, crazy good
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 06:47 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it's a tie between that and FU for favorite track so far. I'm just a sucker for blissed out fast tempo dream jams.
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 06:58 (fourteen years ago)
you should love "fast car"
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 07:07 (fourteen years ago)
i love how the beat of "sex intelligent" sort of works as like... the churning and twisting of gears, the construction of something & then the remix is what is borne out of it -- it's like watching rdj build the iron man suit & then seeing him fly around in the thing
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 07:09 (fourteen years ago)
xp one of my favorite tracks off of l/h, iirc
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 07:09 (fourteen years ago)
the "haters" tangent in "feburary love" is actually pretty great -- decent rap
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 07:21 (fourteen years ago)
hell yeah i already told yall niggas i'm a motherfuckin haterespecially when yall niggas lyin about yall motherfuckin paperhe poppin champagne, throwin out benjamins all up on the tv screendon't own your publishing, hell naw you ain't got more money than me
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 07:24 (fourteen years ago)
carolina acres, sittin on my porches
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 08:37 (fourteen years ago)
come make love to the last romantic
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago)
this ain't a compliment, you was a bad girl
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno i'm not into 'februrary love' at all. i mean he's clearly asking ppl to make the comparison with fancy but unlike 'fancy' lyrically it just goes nowhere. fav cuts so far are 'turnt out' (i also sing it like "all the way turnt up" lol) its just such an incredibly pretty, delicate song, 'nikki pt 2' and 'f.i.l.a'. this is a great album for sure and if his song-writing has dipped its still pretty high if you ask me. 'sex intelligent' is possibly his most epic song to date. i would say tho i prefer his more contained pop songs like 'falsetto', 'purple kisses', 'luv songs', 'sweat it out' over the sprawling epic (and also amazing!) stuff like 'love vs money' and 'sex intelligent' and it feels to me like there is not so much of that stuff on here. i think ppl are tripping re: florida university tho. its just a joke song right?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 24 June 2010 09:52 (fourteen years ago)
joke song doesn't mean it can't be great! it's so boyish & exuberant and like all great middle finger songs, petulant & playful at the same time.
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago)
FU!
― cutty, Thursday, 24 June 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://theelectricbliss.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/yamaha-motorcycle-0061.jpghttp://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/200801/C20079102114353994_Yamaha_Waverunner_GP1300R_2008.jpg"seen a lot of places, been all around the world, a lot of pretty faces, a lot of pretty girls, this one is for you, wherever you at, still got your name tattooed on my baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackkkkkkkkkkkkk"<3 <3 <3
― exit through the (Tape Store), Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:24 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark
i felt like this was terius' based freestyle when i first heard it on the album
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
been enjoying the running commentary here...
love that Bieber baby-baby-baby ad lib in the Florida U coda - kinda like the Rihanna ey-ey-eys from LvM. little nods to the records that allow him to buy the Audemars that he sings about. maybe i'm reading too much into it, but i see them as homages.
― Hoke, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
maybe i'm reading too much into it, but i see them as homages.
Nope, I see 'em the same way.
"Umbrella-ella-ella" vs. "Radio Killa-illa-illa" -- not a big coincidence, ya'think?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, good call.
also the Fader interview is up at thefader.com (in the downloadable PDF). nice little piece.
― Hoke, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
I can't find a link to download the issue?
― rennavate, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.thefader.com/2010/06/22/the-fader-issue-68-free-download/
― Hoke, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
You can also purchase The Love Trilogy, which contains the first two albums, a space maintainer for the third, and the Love King DVD. DVD contains "Love King," "Love King Remix," "Make Up Bag," and "The Dream Trilogy" (no hyphen there): "Yamaha" (gratuitous Robert Palmer rip), "Nikki Part 2" (flashback montage w/ lots of writhing), and "Abyss" (more writing plus lots of anguished faces pulled by Nikki).
― Andy K, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
Kinda similar to that Rihanna box set that came out alongside Rated R -- her first three albums with a spot for the fourth.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
more writhing, that is
― Andy K, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
The Pfork coverage begins:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/11926-yamaha/
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
Guys I am breaking down and listening to these tracks on YouTube and can I just say
WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
the love queen bridge or whatever on panties to the side is awesome
rev otm about not doing too many rock ballads tho
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Thursday, 24 June 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
I'm with whoever said it, but "Sorry" should've been the proper album closer.
― rennavate, Thursday, 24 June 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
love the last few lines of take care of me:
no giving love without it being returnedyou can't profit from a love thats never been earned
nothing is forever (it's a forever?)love shouldn't just be an endeavorand ever and ever
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Thursday, 24 June 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
Calling out The-Dream for ripping off Prince is like calling out LCD Soundsystem for ripping off Bowie. It misses the point..
has this been a thing, "calling out" dream for ripping off prince?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 June 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
No! But it lets the reviewer acknowledge that he can recognize the influences at work in R&B while sneering at an imagined non-existent less-discerning critic. :P
Also, and more importantly, it contextualizes The-Dream in a way that P4K-branded bros can appreciate, or whatever HRO would say.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 24 June 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
Like. The-Dream : R&B :: LCD Soundsystem : Art Rock/Indie Dance
Masterful auteur integrating various strands of the culture and imposing his own slightly less than cool persona over top of it all.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 24 June 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
gah let's not get into this on this thread plz
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 24 June 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
lol but AiM OtM
― exit through the (Tape Store), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, didn't mean to derail. THERE IS TOO MUCH STUFF TO TALK ABOUT RE: THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF LOVE KING.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
So I guess the second half (from "Nikki" to "Florida University") is the F.U. half, right? That's how it plays: a suite of despair.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
Not sure "Turnt Out" or "Panties to the Side" or even "February Love" quite play into that.
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
i brought up the LCD thing earlier -- i was thinking about it in terms of like "pow pow" and also "february love" -- around when the LCD album came out, my friend who really like lcd was talking about how he didn't like the album as much as 'sound of silver' and he mentioned how he thought "pow pow" was like a worse retread of "yeah", and my argument back was that "pow pow" doesn't even try to be "yeah" because nothing can be "yeah" i.e. in "pow pow" there's no long instrumental freak out, it shares DNA with "yeah" but it goes for something far less epic and is content with just being a song on an album, and i feel the same way about "february love" and how it relates to "fancy" & i think the fact that "february love" is so similar to "fancy" but doesn't try and top that song and yet is still really great on its own merits imo illustrates that dream (and james murphy too, to trace it out) is a really great songwriter who understand why his songs work
― ripe dick clark (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
i haven't even heard this and i feel like that must be otm
― plax (ico), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
i keep trying to get into "turnt out" and i like it but it's not happening, like really really happening, the way it seems to be for all of you :(
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago)
"Panties To the Side" is the only one that bothers me -- too recherche or something.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
Really hoping the deluxe edition listed on wiki is relatively easy to find.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
OK, I just played "Take Care of Me" and -- well. I wasn't expecting live drums and power chords.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
lex- That's how I feel about F.I.L.A. Waiting for it to click...
― big jeans (lou), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
Dunno Lex, "Turnt Out" is like the most immediate song for me, and one of my favourites.
― rennavate, Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago)
F.I.L.A. took some time to click, lou, but when it did, it CLICKED. Need to give February Love and Abyss some more time.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno i'm not into 'februrary love' at all. i mean he's clearly asking ppl to make the comparison with fancy but unlike 'fancy' lyrically it just goes nowhere.
kinda agree w/ this so far. there's no epic build and release like w/ Fancy, and it just shares too many of the same cues w/ Fancy for you not to take notice. maybe j0rd's right and it's a great song in its own right but it'll take some time for me to disassociate it w/ Fancy
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
oh "turnt out" is immediate and catchy and basically ok, it's just not amazing
"f.i.l.a.", "make up bag" and the title track are basically the equivalents of the singles at the start of LvM - generic and hugely likable.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
My thing about "Turnt Out" is his falsetto sounds way more gosh darnt pretty than it ever has before.
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 June 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago)
I agree, and I've often hated his voice.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 June 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
yeah he's kind of cooing on turnt out, doesn't really force it.
love the "now what, what now!" coda on FU, makes him sound like he's 15 years old
― crüt it out (dyao), Friday, 25 June 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
nah for me the appeal of 'turnt out' IS that he's forcing it, or not "forcing it" so much as deliberately using a less strong part of his vocal armoury over the course of a whole song - absurdly so, it seems at first. but then you find yourself starting to enjoy it, and the validation of the eventual narrative reveal along the way lets you revel in it by the song's end.
obv it all now seems some leaden big meta joke concept track now i've had to break it down like that - it works on a more delicate and playful intuitive level irl, and even still in its light gimmickry it feels a superior feat of songwriting to what surrounds it.
― r|t|c, Friday, 25 June 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
of course my enjoyment of 'turnt out' only reminds me of how i felt towards 'sweat it out' when hearing lvm the first few times - this in itself another of the nagging comparative precedents you guys have already talked about. paradoxically i've been really tempted to put this on shuffle to try and get round it tbh
― r|t|c, Friday, 25 June 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
yes^
― k3vin k., Friday, 25 June 2010 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
the other thing is the bonus tracks contributing to that vibe - as been said already some of them seem pretty useful despite their isolation, but in a way i would argue where they each perhaps suggest a alternative, more interesting or at least novel possible configuration of the album every time: could 'veteran' or 'sorry' have been valuable breathers during the album, could (even though i don't care for the new version tbh) 'all black everything' have bridged 'sex intelligent 2' and 'yamaha', could 'take care' have worked into 'feb love' somehow, etc. their presence at the end like that exacerbates a suspicion of a sloppiness somewhere
― r|t|c, Friday, 25 June 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
oop that was an xp
― r|t|c, Friday, 25 June 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago)
i dont like florida university much
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
theres like this core of unlikeable the-dream tics that start to form around a song of his i dont like, where something just isnt quite right in the balance & its almost more aggravating as a result ... i really dont like his 'medium-good' songs at all! like i find them pretty unlistenable
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
I find his medium-good songs (including "Florida University" obv) medium-good.
― an artist-mutant going beyond gender (The Reverend), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ fruity swag thread reversal
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno its like he burns all his <3 on the transcendent songs for me so i have no room for 'adequate'
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 25 June 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
Still not a moment on here that compares to the bliss of SO PUT IT ON ME LIKE YEAH. YEAH. at the climax of sweat it out. At least, unless I've missed something.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 25 June 2010 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
well that one moment is pretty overt, even on lvm
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
Oh, I know. I was just listening to LvM on my walk home and remembered how insane it was.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 25 June 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
FILA was my least favorite leak of this & now it might be one of my favorite songs of the year
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 08:12 (fourteen years ago)
The only tracks I'd get rid of on this if I could are the title track and "Panties To The Side" (which might have been okay but for the way he awkwardly jams in "I'll never be the hot actor I'm too cold" during the bridge" - which comes off as so sloppy that it makes the rest of the song seem half-hearted as well), but I do think there's a vibe of incipient laziness that hangs over a lot of it.
I'd build on Deej's complaint in saying that whereas everything on the first album was almost on a level in terms of attention-to-songwriting-detail, what started on the second album was a split between the histrionic epic material and "fun" tossed-off stuff, which is emphasised here. The difference being that at least "Take You Home To My Mama", say, could get by on exuberance alone, whereas "Love King" and "Panties To The Side" don't even have that going for them.
― Tim F, Friday, 25 June 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago)
The only tracks I'd get rid of on this if I could are the title track and "Panties To The Side"
From the proper album at least. Not sure that "Priceless" or "All Black Everything" to deserve to make the grade either, though they're fine as b-sides.
― Tim F, Friday, 25 June 2010 08:50 (fourteen years ago)
the title track is fun and throwaway enough, and the fact that it's the opening track makes it easier to ignore - think of it as an intro!
"panties to the side" jars partly because of sequencing, a horrible way to jolt you out of the "sex intelligent" => "abyss" suite, but i think it also jars as a song too. i don't mind "florida university", weirdly.
i really wish "take care of me" was on the proper album, and probably "sorry" too.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:05 (fourteen years ago)
also maybe i don't get with "turnt out" cuz i never did come round to "falsetto", but i don't really find it lyrically compelling either. it's just...there, kind of pretty and cooing and negligible.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:06 (fourteen years ago)
I like the title track more than say 'walking on the moon'. It's light, summery and more fun to sing along to. I won't rep for 'panties to the side' tho.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:06 (fourteen years ago)
i never did come round to "falsetto"
O_o
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago)
Agreed. Their more ragged vibe is a really nice point of distinction, especially on such a layered album.
― Tim F, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:09 (fourteen years ago)
i hated "falsetto" for ages and it's the reason i didn't check out love/hate for ages! didn't get with it even in album context and eventually had to program it out to save my skip button. "turnt out" is much better but still, ehhhh.
everyone who likes "sorry" should probably check out brandy's "something's missing" from a few years ago - that, even more so than the more obvious "if i ever" by shai, seems like an appropriate comparison.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:12 (fourteen years ago)
title track reminds me of 'shawty is da shit' in terms of its throwawayness, both are throwaways, not that I would throw away either because both are dope
― crüt it out (dyao), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:13 (fourteen years ago)
i love how the epic "seen a lot of places" section in "yamaha" - which right now is my favourite extended moment in all of pop ever - is ushered in by "NEVER SEEN A GIRL WITH AN ASS SO FAT"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeh love that 'ass so fat' bit so much. falsetto is maybe my fav. song by him ever!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:16 (fourteen years ago)
"Shawty Is Da Shit" may be "throwaway" but it's actually kinda moving, The-Dream sounds so awed by the girl on it. Also those harmonies in the chorus.
― Tim F, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:20 (fourteen years ago)
i also love terius' southern accent on "yamaha" - "pertty"! <3
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:22 (fourteen years ago)
The highlight of the album?
― Tim F, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:23 (fourteen years ago)
right now, yesssss
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 25 June 2010 09:26 (fourteen years ago)
haha, that "seen a lot of places" part is such an overt moment of prince karaoke abandon that i'd feel a bit bad defining the album on its basis.
beat switch on "clutch break get this motherfucker runnin" on the other hand...
― r|t|c, Friday, 25 June 2010 09:59 (fourteen years ago)
is "BAAAAAAAABYGUUUURRRRL" this album's "SO PUT IT ON MY LIKE YEAAAAAAH"?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 25 June 2010 11:00 (fourteen years ago)
Lex not liking "Falsetto" is the most O_O thing on this thread by far.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 25 June 2010 12:10 (fourteen years ago)
shiplo hates it
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 June 2010 12:12 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's one of his finer songs tho
The only thing I like about "FU" is "What rhyme with asshole?/[clears throat] Asshole."
― Andy K, Friday, 25 June 2010 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
for all those saying that the songs on this album are a bit dense and impenetrable, i'm surprised yall haven't found 'february love' to be a good entry point to the album. the relatively minimal production and space let the ideas breathe and then disappear as quickly as they came
i'm not sure what my favorite part of the song is yet, probably a toss up between 'give me a hug/give me your heart' when the beat comes in or the falsetto part.
the falsetto part is particularly poignant to me for reasons already touched upon in this thread: it's not his strong suit so its use adds an extra level of vulerability to the lyrics. plus the inherent femininity with that style of singing is in direct contrast with the hardass macho posturing in songs like 'love king'
come on baby step into my sun before the cold takes it away
unghhh this song is awesome
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Friday, 25 June 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
am digesting this as an album with a bonus ep (bonus tracks have surprisingly good flow b/w them)
about to say some dumb rock critic type shit: this album feels more cohesive than the first two
― paul wallowitz and chaimillionaire - get ya mind kashrut (m bison), Friday, 25 June 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
Imaginary Contracted Edition: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 16, 13, instrumental edit of 15
― Andy K, Friday, 25 June 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
yo this is pretty otm. i was thinking about this earlier - it's not that his falsetto is great that makes this work so well for me (it's not that great, might be his best falsetto but that's not really saying much) but the fact that he's clearly going out of his range, out of his comfort zone for this. and yes this lends a whole lot more meaning to his words - "got her walking like a high wire," "she's a beast" - the sheer devotion, even servitude kills me. it's the same reason i think the whole scenario being described "bed" is like the most beautiful thing ever, and why i love songs that borrow stylistically and ideas-wise from these ("devotion", "sex therapy" et al)
― this ain't ilxxx (k3vin k.), Friday, 25 June 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago)
btw here's where we've all been listening to this album http://www.billboard.com/#/feature/release-of-the-week-the-dream-1004099344.story
the making of video is pretty tite
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Saturday, 26 June 2010 01:18 (fourteen years ago)
ok i'm officially obsessed nowfrom the video:http://i50.tinypic.com/2vdl44i.png
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Saturday, 26 June 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
http://i45.tinypic.com/29zsht3.pngthe rosetta stone
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Saturday, 26 June 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
is that an alternate track listing????
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago)
obv. has anyone heard "She Left Me" or "Stupid"?
― grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago)
or "Washer Dryer"? (how did I miss that?)
― grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
this billboard video is god's work -- hope there is like 5 parts -- fucking mtv doing a 'thank me later' documentary
anywho, it's funny to hear him talk cuz his voice is so much deeper than his singing voice would indicate
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
los seems like a chill, cool dude
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
they show him singing a song (has a line about a stove) that didn't even make it onto the album?
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
i'm gonna stalk this studio
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 June 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
if only the sun were coming out it'd drive the water awaybut you're in the abyss my lady and you won't see another day
― crüt it out (dyao), Saturday, 26 June 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago)
obv. has anyone heard "She Left Me" or "Stupid"? --grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend)
i'd be willing to bet stupid = sorry
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Saturday, 26 June 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago)
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, June 21, 2010 10:45 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark
cosign, this crept in my head today - that pause he takes between "always, yelling out drinks on me"
― crüt it out (dyao), Saturday, 26 June 2010 08:27 (fourteen years ago)
xp I think u r right
btw, I just noticed these awesome lines in the title track:
if your nigga keep playinyou should change where you layini'm jus saaayyyyyyyiiin
also lol @ the studio version ending w/ a reprise of "this song mine/ hmmmm i doubt it"
― grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 10:44 (fourteen years ago)
studio album
i'm not surprised it was a flop single tho, it works better as an intro to the album than as its own entity
― grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 10:45 (fourteen years ago)
it's like he introduces you to all his girls before he tells you the stories about them on the rest of the album, but taken as a single it's missing all the actual stories
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 June 2010 11:35 (fourteen years ago)
have played veteran like 20x this wkend
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 27 June 2010 14:10 (fourteen years ago)
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Friday, June 25, 2010 10:36 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this isn't my experience at all -- his speaking voice is pretty high
― ~athdouspart (some dude), Sunday, 27 June 2010 14:14 (fourteen years ago)
my bad I meant to saybaby baby
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Monday, 28 June 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
i like when he says "ya ya"
― cutty, Monday, 28 June 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
ya ya
okay!
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Monday, 28 June 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
o-kay!
his enthusiasm in FU puts it over the top for me. he just sounds like he's super fucking siked about the song.
― Moreno, Monday, 28 June 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago)
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Monday, 28 June 2010 04:47 (fourteen years ago)
Alright I've come around to "Turnt Out" full-stop, this is incredible.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 28 June 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
New York Times review:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/arts/music/28choice.html?ref=music
"Lately he has been receiving some criticism for his extraordinary focus or, if you like, his lack of breadth"
"Not everything he makes is great, but everything he makes is modern. (Even when he’s copying Prince. Even when he’s copying R. Kelly.)"
"He’s made some pretty seriously entertaining songs. And on some level it remains unclear why he should be making albums at all."
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 28 June 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
Curious New York Times review. Like the AllMusic review, it's astute, yet it offers its endorsement almost grudgingly, as if apologizing for recommending the album because of its perceived shallowness.
Anyway, this line did jump out at me, too:
A case could be made for The-Dream as a singles artist, and I'm actually a little surprised more people don't make it. Of course, I think that argument misses the point: His albums make some pretty big, in-depth statements that three-minute singles would never allow. In fact, he's just completed a three-album exploration of financial success and its ability to alternately buy and destroy love. It's an esoteric subject, but I don't know of any other musician whose ever explored it so thoroughly and with such candor and personality. In addition to being a really cohesive listen—forgive the music critic 101 speak, but it's true—Love King works particularly well as a character sketch. If those two qualifications aren't enough to justify it as an album, then what is?
― Evan R, Monday, 28 June 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i think i would be saying "he's made some pretty seriously entertaining songs, but on some level it remains unclear why he should be releasing singles at all"
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 June 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
also who the fuck is criticizing terius for lack of breadth? the other artists who wrote and co-produced three entire albums last year all of which are markedly stylistically different?
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 28 June 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, 'love vs money' alone
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 June 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
i haven't read this thread and i intend to but when I first lsitened to this album I had it on kinda int he background and didnt look at any of the tracklistings or anyhting...and when NIKKI came back i was like "holy shit!!!" like I don't think a narrative moment (granted I was NOT paying attnetion to the "narrative" at all) has ever caused me any actual reaction. and i've listened to a shit load of prog rock albums.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 28 June 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
how have i never heard of this before??? http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fzfwxz8dldke
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Monday, 28 June 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
i guess i will be picking that one up instead
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Monday, 28 June 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
the dude who wrote that review has posted itt multiple times, once about that very box set
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 28 June 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
i know l/h had a vinyl release, but does anyone know if the other two have?
xp gah you're right.. how did i miss that
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Monday, 28 June 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
Cool that Andy Kellman posts here; he's a really smart writer.
Couple responses:
Yup; I have Love vs. Money on vinyl.
also who the fuck is criticizing terius for lack of breadth?
As best I could tell, this touched on a sentiment voiced in critics circles (including on this thread) that "Love King" as a single wasn't much of a departure from his previous singles. Seems a fair enough knock, not that it bothers me personally though. A friend of mine who couldn't be further removed from critics circles has also dismissed The-Dream as too one-note, knocking his sound as a little tired and familiar. I think, though, that it only seems that way because he's so prolific (and also so flagrantly copied; even Lady Gaga is using vocal ticks that he essentially patented). We're so constantly inundated with his sound that it's only natural the magic should wear off for some.
― Evan R, Monday, 28 June 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
In the wrong mood, his voice really grates.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 June 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
xp in addition to how prolific he is, it's also the speed which he knocks these albums out. a dude on another board who was involved with the recording of loveking said that the album was written and tracked in only 2 weeks.
i wonder what we would get if he were to take a year to write an album
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Monday, 28 June 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
iirc, Terius himself said the album took about 2 months to record
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Monday, 28 June 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
i probably shouldn't believe everything i read on the internet
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Monday, 28 June 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
kells' double-edged "the album is an absolute embarrassment of riches for those in love with the indulgent artist side of the-Dream" is well-judged i think - i agree with deej's "core of unlikeable the-dream tics that start to form around a song of his i dont like" (+ tim's furtherance of that, + "incipient laziness") but havent quite been moved to adopt the implied negativity of those statements (admittedly out of context, no shots dudes).
― r|t|c, Monday, 28 June 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
i think i unabashedly love "florida university" :/
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
it's kind of like "mr yeah" but mean
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the hate itt made me reconsider for a brief period but guess which finger I'm holding up now
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
NOW WHAT, WHAT NOW
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
"Florida University" is great. This isn't much worse than the last two records. The production is probably BETTER.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago)
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Monday, June 28, 2010 5:25 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
Hahahaha love it.
the "baybay, baybay, baybay" part at the end is so great and fun - "now what, what now" part is corny tho
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago)
― crüt it out (dyao), Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:43 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago)
the "baybay, baybay, baybay" part at the end is so great and fun
u should listen to justin bieber imo
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
Funny you mention that, J0rdan. I was in the car last night with that song playing, and my friend was like, "Why is he singing Justin Bieber?"
― rennavate, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
on "florida university" he's singing the chorus from the justin bieber song "baby", and on "baby" justin bieber is singing the-dream's part from ll cool j's "baby"
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
jordan you know i'm with you in f'ing/w "one time"
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 02:29 (fourteen years ago)
I agree with all of this, any criticisms notwithstanding. This album won't be top 1 or 2 of the year for me, but it probably will be top 5 at least.
Listening to "I'm Not OK" again and thinking I wish The-Dream would do more of this sort of unabashed earnest weepy stuff himself. Really the only equivs in his discograpy are "Mama" and "Right Side Of My Brain", both of which I adore.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
For sure, Tim, I def have some criticisms about the disc, too.
I think "Sorry" is sort of an obvious one, but it's pretty unabashed earnest weepy stuff.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
this mariah demo hits that spot pretty nicely, i think. little more restrained than both "mama" or "right side", but hey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdoOT5iUd8
― pearsonic, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
yep love that one too
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's safe to say "take care of me" is the worst song he's ever recorded
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:32 (fourteen years ago)
i'll refer you to the opening post of this thread
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
alright going back through this thread and nothing but lavish praise for "take care of me"...what in the hell.
bonus tracks are alright besides that steaming pile of dogshit and "sorry" - haha i guess i'm in the minority here. there's a great song somewhere inside of "all black everything" - i assume it's a bonus track only because he's written that song about 5 times in the past, including to greater effect earlier on this album in "FILA"
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
haha "take care of me" is the one he was hyping as rivaling "fancy" u_u
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
i've kinda noticed this divergence tho - pretty sure everyone who posts here (save maybe shiplo?) considers love/hate to be a stone cold classic, but there's hardly a consensus best track. i mean i skip "ditch that..." but i know it's a highlight for more than a few posters.
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:46 (fourteen years ago)
I think i might like the bonus tracks more than the actual album
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
http://i37.tinypic.com/vqqo8z.jpg
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:53 (fourteen years ago)
mariah demo is the bomb -- better than some of the stuff that made the album
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:56 (fourteen years ago)
lolll stanley gif otm
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:57 (fourteen years ago)
could also go with
http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e20134850b083c970c-pi
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:58 (fourteen years ago)
i was debating either that or http://i38.tinypic.com/307p7bb.gif
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
hahahah
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
(i'm just going through the gifs i've bookmarked now, u know i <3 you rev)
http://i27.tinypic.com/6pc8dc.jpg
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:02 (fourteen years ago)
kev you've seen my whole stone cold gif thread right?
― incredible length (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:02 (fourteen years ago)
haha of course, i beleive that's where i got it from. great thread
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago)
queuing this up now and kinda psyched.
― obvious and old and bannable (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago)
man that dungy one is cracking me up so hard right now, cant wait for ilnfl season to start
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://i46.tinypic.com/2r7c1h4.gif
― suge ♞ (The Reverend), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.groovy-layouts.com/Images/Fun/Crazy/images/girl-you-crazy.gif
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
it's funny cuz dont the hooks of at least like florida university & veteran seem .gif or at least cartoon-ish/cartman inspired to anyone?
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 11:30 (fourteen years ago)
heh inevitably i quite like FU now.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago)
used to love ya....shawwwteey
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
love this little meta beyonce-reference on "Makeup Bag"
she packin all of my shit/ puttin it all on the left
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 08:59 (fourteen years ago)
amazing how terius can walk & chew gum at the same time imo
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 09:19 (fourteen years ago)
Deluxe CD packaging is fucking gorgeous.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago)
Very glad to hear that. The last two have been kind of underwhelming, design-wise.
Still waiting on my pre-order...
― Hoke, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago)
Super-glossy six-panel digipak with CD tray and booklet.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:21 (fourteen years ago)
this pertains to my interests
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:24 (fourteen years ago)
14-minute video ft. Yamaha and others
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
omg he is such a cornball
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
his "dance" moves
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
i can't watch the full thing right now but the "yamaha" part is so lol -- it's pretty much: shot of dream -> shot of chick -> shot of bike repeated for 5 mins
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
that's how the rest of the video goes tbh (except shot of bike is replaced by shot of moody environs or objects)
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
Best frame
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy141/hokebucket/nikki.jpg
― Hoke, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
And yes that also goes for the frame within the frame
― Hoke, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
lol the video isn't actually very interesting, notwithstanding the vague horror movie creepiness during "abyss"
terius will never ever look remotely cool, will he
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
haha absolutely not
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
i had to stop watching - thought i was gonna have a seizure
lol has he ever done a good video?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
dream i love ya but you gotta stay out of music videos from now on
― WEB SHERIFF (LOLK), Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder if he's this awkward in bed
can't watch that, but i love the nikki/abyss duo
― obvious and old and bannable (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 July 2010 06:05 (fourteen years ago)
she wanna make out thru the phone first.......DICTAPHONE
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
guys quick i'm in the store--are the extra tracks from the limited edition worth 4 bucks?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
thx--knew i could count on yall
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
Count on them to like everything he puts out tbh
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
glad that deej sees through the hype
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
put that on a t-shirt
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
Fuck knows you'd wear it.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 2 July 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
*friend request rejected*
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
now now fellas settle down
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 July 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago)
Aww deej, I don't know how I'll live that one down. Total olive leaf moment... rejected.
*bawling*
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 2 July 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago)
deej friended jeff weiss after they beefed
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago)
Didn't know I had "beef" with deej, I thought he just enjoyed making jokes at my expense. (It's okay, deej, even though Fishscale wasn't my first Ghost album, I'd wager you still liked him before me. So, no worries. FIRSTIES 4 U!!)
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
sb
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
my answer woulda been "no, not worth 4 bucks" but i'll probably get the deluxe edition too just cuz
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 2, 2010 5:57 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
keep yr friends close and yr enemies closer
but make sure u have the right security settings on fbook for both
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago)
been reading sun tsu again, eh?
― obvious and old and bannable (forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 July 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
GUESS WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE RADIO RIGHT NOW
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago)
Y
YES
YES THE-DREAM IS IN THE STUDIO WITH DJ KHALED
THIS IS A RADIO PROGRAM THAT PERTAINS TO MY INTERESTS
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
THIS IS AN INTERVIEW THAT PERTAINS TO MY INTERESTS
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
is there a stream or somethin
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
They're talking about how they both feel bigger than ever even tho they're selling less records
Dream thinks he's gonna sell 70k
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
Its over I think. Now they're just playing records I think
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
I'm thinking a lot
this photo of him inside the cd case is fucking absurd
http://i45.tinypic.com/b53yab.jpg
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
yea... at least the one in the middle with the flare looks OK tho
― WEB SHERIFF ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ (LOLK), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
i think i'm gonna buy a silver marker and write "LOLK" over his head
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
haha it might make that picture make a bit more sense
― WEB SHERIFF ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ (LOLK), Sunday, 4 July 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
Kinda bummed there's no lyric sheet this time.
― Hoke, Monday, 5 July 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
OMG I am actually enjoying this album! Like, really enjoying it in the way I enjoyed the Electrik Red album and in the way I've failed to 'get' the previous two, last one especially.
Wish I could put my finger on what it is - maybe it's the MASSIVE sound, but I think it's more likely to be something about his voice. It just seems... better here, less slimy. Like he's finally nailed the Prince style mischievous twinkle-in-the-eye rather than the wet flannel that's all over Love vs Money.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Monday, 5 July 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
The rap on Sex Intelligent is awful, though.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Monday, 5 July 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
Matt, allow me to recommend the magical world of Lil B to you.
― Tim F, Monday, 5 July 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago)
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Monday, July 5, 2010 6:26 PM (55 minutes ago)
yeah i want to have more to say about this but...it's just horrible. i don't like every song he's ever put out or every part of songs i do like, but this is probably the only "what on earth was he thinking" moment i've had with this solo work
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
bonus tracks not included, lol
yeah i adore this album so so so much
more ice cream shop news: i was playing this all of last night's shift and this military guy came up to the counter and was like "what is this?" and i wrote it down for him and he was calling people on the phone telling them how great the-dream was!
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
this is nowhere near love/hate, though, for me. i wanna do a track-by-track at some point xp
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
theres some really bad tracks on here but i think i like it more than love vs money on the whole
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
dont care for 'panties' 'sex intelligent' (remix or original) 'florida university' & several of the bonus tracks
also "nikki pt 2" really floats
― exit through the (Tape Store), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
but its funny -- the bad tracks on here annoy me LESS than, like, 'walking on the moon' -- they feel more ... insubstantial & less like statements of purpose to reduce his appeal in an attempt to write 'hits'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago)
their failings are more about relying on 'the-dream tics' & less about just ... poor ideas
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, 5 July 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i like "FU" but if dream tics annoy i can see why you'd not be down with it
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
brainwasher in the house?
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
lol rong thread
OTM. Nothing here annoys me like "Walking on the Moon" or "My Love" did.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
fuck outta here at not liking the sex intelligents
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago)
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
dunno why i laughed at that but .... lol
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
dont disrespect my sex intelligence
i'm still kinda so-so with those, parts i like and parts i don't. pretty lame choruses and and all-time awful rap, but the rest is pretty good
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
how could you not like the hook on the remix -- c'mon
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
i'm still kinda so-so with those, parts i like and parts i don't. pretty lame choruses and and all-time awful rap,
F.U. F.U. F.U. F.U. F.U. F.U. F.U. F.U.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Monday, July 5, 2010 8:50 PM (10 minutes ago)
the "she want me to reeeeeeeeeeemix" part is great; the wordier, more awkward "my sex intelligence / makes all you other niggas irrelevant" part of the hook is the lame part
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ this is right I think - or at least the sex intelligence hook feels like a weaker take on the equiv in the original.
Though the original isn't really about "hooks" I think.
"Panties to the Left" is the only thing I actively dislike here. I think I hate the "i'll never be the hot actor" etc. bit even more than the based rap in Sex Intelligent Remix.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
the based rap is awesome! it's almost as if he's been having so much sex (because of his intelligence!) that he can barely be bothered to rhyme
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
"Panties to the Left" is the only thing I actively dislike here.
Can't wait for sequel "Panties to the Right" to show up on his next album.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, the "She wants me to reeeeeeeemix part" is incredible. I think as a suite from "Sex Intelligent" to "Abyss" you'd hard-pressed to find a better sequence of tracks this year.
I think "Panties to the Side" really ruins the pacing after "Abyss," and it's a meh kinda song. "Priceless" and "All Black Everything" are weaker too, I find.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
agreed tim the autotuned bridge on "panties" is a bad look - kinda disappointing too since he's used it to great effect in the past, cf intro to "right side of my brain" ('fell in love / with a real heartbreaker') and the end of "she needs my love"
xp yeah ren he's got a weird penchant for that kind of pacing it seems, i mean it's beyond me why "purple kisses" and "luv songs", two of his best songs ever imo, are separated by "ditch that..." - which is not only a (imo) weaker song but just totally kills the mood. if we're making analagies here, i'd say "luv songs"/"turnt out"/"9 to 5" are all similar songs (and three of my favorite songs he's ever written); all are preceded by an inferior song, and all of these are pretty similar in feel too ("ditch that..."/"panties to the side"/"WFY" respectively). i've always been put off by the sequencing of these, but one thing it does do when playing the album through is it kind of kills that high i'm on, making me anticipate the upcoming song that much more. i don't particularly dislike "panties to the side" (other than what i've said above), but i find myself waiting...waiting...waiting...for those familiar LOS drums to drop, and when they finally do it's a great feeling. it makes it feel more earned or something, like walking around in cirlces and then finding out the place you wanted to go is actually by chance just a few feet away
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
i know the word is "dope", but I always hear it as "She want me to reeeeeeeeeeeemix / This / Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb shit"
― obvious and old and bannable (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
mean it's beyond me why "purple kisses" and "luv songs", two of his best songs ever imo, are separated by "ditch that..."
Especially when they seem naturally designed to flow into one another!
I'm back and forth on the Sex Intelligence Remix and Abyss still feels like something that was done better on LvM, but otherwise most of my early misgivings have faded by now.
― Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
ok what does 'based' mean
― ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ (LOLK), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
general definition
Complex: What’s your definition of “based,” because you say that with everything. What does that mean?
Lil B: Based means being yourself. Not being scared of what people think about you. Not being afraid to do what you wanna do. Being positive. When I was younger, based was a negative term that meant like dopehead, or basehead. People used to make fun of me. They was like, “You’re based.” They’d use it as a negative. And what I did was turn that negative into a positive. I started embracing it like, “Yeah, I’m based.” I made it mine. I embedded it in my head. Based is positive.
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
as it pertains to the-dream's rap, we're using "based" as slang for "rapping like lil b, i.e. seemingly not caring at all for any sort of rhyming or flow, also rapping about nature"
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
ahhh thanks
― ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ (LOLK), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:23 (fourteen years ago)
I think "Ditch That" and in particular "W.F.U." are much better takes on the same idea as "Panties to the Side". "W.F.U." is an actively good song, and very thoughtfully structured I think, the slyness of the verses collapsing into the blunt brutalism of the choruses really effectively. Whereas "Panties to the Side" is just a collection of disparate and relatively weak ideas mashed together.
Perhaps counter-intuitively this kind of club track needs a better song-qua-song than the slow-jammy stuff, perhaps because the straightjacketing structure kind of rams home whatever's there and if what's there isn't that great it starts to grate.
Interestingly Kevin for the reasons you state in the second half of that paragraph I think the relevant sequencing on Love/Hate and the Electrik Red album work really well. "Purple Kisses" and "Luv Songs" are similar enough that they'd lose some of their sense of isolated preciousness if they ran into one another (in support of this is the fact that I frequently forget how awesome "Playing In Her Hair" is because it comes right before "Purple Kisses"); and the sense of luxuriant release you get at the start of "9 To 5" wouldn't be as strong if it arrived after, say, "Devotion".
― Tim F, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
yeah you're totally right
not sure if i'm in the minority here (i think jordan agrees with me) but it's telling to me that the "release" songs are all LOS cuts - i've always thought he made for a stronger partner for dream than tricky, as much as i love him
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
At first I was kind of lukewarm to "Take Care of Me," but I like the quiet-loud dynamic of the verses and the chorus... it's like Dream's desperation song, but in a different way than, like, "Sorry," if we're sticking to this album. Like, he's all relatively composed at the beginning of each verse, and throughout the verse he begins to lose it a bit and become unhinged, more paranoid, histrionic, until the chorus hits and BOOM Dream is a fucking mess, basically crying and shit.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
He's all like "beware of me, girl," but really Dream needs to beware of himself, or he's gonna have his own breakdown.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 03:53 (fourteen years ago)
i'm enjoying it greatly but the sad realization is sinking in that it's not as good as the other two by a lot.
stunning insight i know.
― goole, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
i always hear this too
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago)
I wasn't aware that he was saying anything else.
And also assumed it meant Dream's girl is calling herself "this dumb shit" and thought that was kinda creepy.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 08:26 (fourteen years ago)
ok listened this morning got some initial thoughts--
love king and makeup bag both awesome--underlying chords on makeup bag particularly so in the way they darken the song a bit. not crazy abt sex intelligent/remix back-to-back so early in the album, felt like a bit of a slog. yamaha thru panties is all my shit, fantastic stuff. turnt out and feb love both need a closer listen, think i was getting tired at that point. fu is what it is, undecided about it at this time tho it's certainly catchy. saving the bonus tracks for tomorrow tbh.
this is good, not gonna top lvm but i knew that going in i guess.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
i don't follow contemporary r&b, except for the odd pop hit that sticks in my memory for whatever reason. even that kind of peripheral awareness is rare, cuz there aren't many places i hear it and my friends aren't paying attention. anyway, i dl'd this last night due to rabid ilm enthusiasm and fond/vague memories of youtubes that got posted last year. have now listened to love king 4 or 5 times, liking it a lot. initial thoughts:
1) patron sponsor this?
2) "if your man ain't treating you right, shorty, lemme get a ooh-wohoOH-ooh-wohoOH..." stretch of vocal gymnastics towards the end of love king is dizzying, so beautiful & hilarious
3) count myself lucky never to have dated anyone who'd excuse infidelity in return for swag
4) how many times he say "r&b killer" and "radio killer?"
5) f.i.l.a. lyrics seem kinda gauche at first (more ordinary than bothersome), but "c-can you make me fall in love again?" excuses all kinds of bullshit
6) have no problem with anything abt sex intelligent. track is magnificent, lyrics suit it fine. "bb gun" line comes on dum, but "taliban" finish more than bails it out. and it is so "remix this dope shit," come on. speaking of which, the remix is one of the most glorious things i've heard this year, one of only two tracks on here that entirely escape the earth (february love being the other)
7) yamaha = such a massive prince bite, plus nice turn of phrase
8) love the lurching beat, synths & sirens, fevered sleaze on panties to the side - but "the last romantic" boasting kinda blows my mind
9) do people think the album isn't slightly front loaded? i mean, i love it all the way through, almost every track, but find the stretch from nikki 2 thru turnt out slightly less riveting/memorable than what came before - latter's the obvious low point
10) "what rhyme with asshole? [ahem]...asshole" florida university is the best closing tracks i've heard in ages. reminds me (oddly) of star star off goat's head soup.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
that last romantic line is so great
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
sup contenderizer
in 9) are you saying "turnt out" is the low point of the album? i'm wondering if you have to be familiar with his work w/ los to feel that song
― we hold these goofs to be self-permabanned (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, "turnt out" doesn't do much for me atm, comes off flat. gonna be working my way back thru terius though, so maybe it'll make more sense w time
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
panties to the side really is a roadbump on this album ain't it
― obvious and old and bannable (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
agree, and im one to stan for 'ditch that' even
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
love panties, but can see why it might be too much. and add nikki to the list of songs i don't love. if i were more familiar with its predecessor, nikki might resonate, but on its own, it's just dull. redundant lead-in to abyss, which at least builds a memorable song out of similar ideas.
the bonus tracks on the deluxe version nearly wreck the album for me. they're maybe interesting as footnotes, but i want to cut it off after FU (and fit sorry into the actual album flow, maybe replacing nikki or turnt out).
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
if you're in love, don't you dare sing along with me
so goth <3
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
can someone explain what is so sexy about 'panties to the side'? aside from the title, there isn't really much that does it for me
― ᶠᵧᶸₒᶜᵤᵏ (LOLK), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
oh god contenderizers discovered the-dream its officially over
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
love these dudes who show up in a thread just to trash another poster
― like a ◴ ◷ ◶ (dyao), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago)
thnx glad my contributions are appreciated
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
deej you know i got love for ya but you seem angry these days
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
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i wasn't gonna say it but
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
'veteran' remix with kellz is cool
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
that seemed pre-destined
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
have not read this yet, and raftery is a good writer, and i know he didn't write the subhead here, but it is v baffling
http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/66998/
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
not really sure i get his arguments for why the-dream will never be a pop star
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think it matters in the slightest
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
it's such a pointless topic of discussion
it's not like the guy is, you know, the "party down" of the internet music community or something -- he's been about as successful as any solo male r&b artist since "shawty is a 10" came out
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i mean i agree; i guess to write a the-dream piece yr hook has to be all "WHY HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF THIS GUY"
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
The-Dream is among the top pop draftsmen of the last three years, right up there with self-branded superproducers like Dr. Luke and Diplo.
huh??????????????????????????????????
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
His previous albums have never sold much more than 500,000 copies, and his biggest single, the Kanye West–assisted “Walkin’ on the Moon”—an off-the-wall Thriller homage—hovered in the middle of the charts.
like, how can you even say this
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
i think a baseline for being a music writer should be the ability to use wikipedia
i disagree with so many things in this article but i don't feel like getting into it
― the boy boy young messi (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
i apologize for killing the dream
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 05:35 (fourteen years ago)
I really want to hear Yamaha on a massive sound system just dropped into the middle of a peak-time house set, the room would go mental.
I think maybe I just think he's awesome at bragging and not very good at introspection? Or at least I can't bring myself to care about his introspection - LvM just had me thinking "argh stfu whiney rich dude" throughout. Not sure why I find it easier to overlook on this one, maybe because the lyrics are a bit more oblique?
Think I really need to give the first one a go again.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 09:34 (fourteen years ago)
i'm starting to really appreciate terius as a lyricist, in a more meaningful way than just the occasional lol wut. i know a lot of you guys have been in love with that aspect of the albums for a while, but i never really found it too interesting until lately.
the coolest thing is how self-referential it is. it used to bug me when wu tang would quote classic 36 chamber lines as hooks in ensuing albums, like they couldn't hit that level of greatness again so they were just paying reverence. the way it works on this album is awesome, though, it's like these inside jokes between us nerds and him. off the top of my head i'm thinking moments like the refrain of "a-t-l-a-n-t-a g-a" etc, the chorus of panties of the side (i could never be a pop star i'm too raw) as a rehash of the "if you ask me, can i sing like chris tell em no" part in put it down. and a million other things. also shit like "now we doin it, to dream's love/hate" on last year's album. i'm sure those of you who are more familiar with l/h than i am will notice even more of it.
it's a cool way to break the barrier between artist and art consumer, and also makes me really cherish the amount of detail and love he puts into connecting his fans, especially since his albums don't exactly sell a billion copies. i don't really connect with music on an emotional level very often, and the-dream is certainly not the type that would make it happen, but there's a real feeling of a shared history, belonging, that's pretty incredible imo.
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 8 July 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
i was noting down all the instances of self-referentialism on these songs earlier while sunbathing cuz i think that's key to something really crucial about terius and it's gonna probably be the main plank of the review that i have to file by, akhjdljkssd, tomorrow
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 July 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
I think Terius would appreciate you taking notes for your review while sunbathing.
I gotta review this too, thinking of the angles still.
― rennavate, Thursday, 8 July 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago)
Three albums and one side project later and I still haven't paid attention to his lyrics. My usual cavils about his voice apply: he doesn't compel me to pay attention.
i was noting down all the instances of self-referentialism on these songs earlier while sunbathing
While doing cannonballs into the pool, you should consider his use of figurative language.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 July 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
lyrics on this album are pretty boys only club. aside from a couple srs romantic moments it's basically just terius bragging about his embarrassment of booty-riches.
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Friday, 9 July 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
he portrays himself as such an asshole on this album.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
i know i always say this, but he's always come across as just a plain asshole (not portraying himself as one, just showing himself to be one).
― does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (some dude), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
another tenuous (?) lyrical reference: "never seen a girl with an ass so fat" from yamaha to
"now tell me what you really wanna do with thatnever seen a girl with an ass so fati'm not a stripper but i dance like thati'm not a stripper but WHERE THAT MONEY AT?"
<3
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
yeah he's always been a bit of an asshole but he used to at least show some regret about it. like if the last album was love vs. money this album is just MONEY
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
BTW this is my folder of terius unreleased/reference tracks. what am i missing guys?
can't wait to hate youcryever sincechampagnehit it on the roadi'm not okin timethey don't know me
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
am waaaay behind on this thread because i only got around to listening to the album the other day -- really i have no idea if this will be my favorite album of his or least favorite, although for some reason i think it'll be one or the other. quick question, don't know if it's been covered: wiki makes it look like tricky and los only co-produced half the tracks, is he really producing solo now?
dying @ this btw
http://images.nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/cultureopener100705_560.jpg
― does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (some dude), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
hahahaha new desktop
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
tpp- Zodiac! :)
― big jeans (lou), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp)
keep thinking in circles about "the author" while listening to this. i mean, i'm not yet deeply familiar w/ terius' work as a whole, but he never seems to tip his hand here, so i can't say for sure whether it's straight talk or a half joking/half nasty character sketch. or both? i mean, the bit in SI remix about how, "after great sex, there's this fancy-ass lifestyle," makes me lol, but it comes across as more nerdy/stalkerish than confident. and i like that. i like the fucked-up menace of the lyrics and they way they contrast with the lovely music & delivery. it's funny, but it's also creepy as fuck. down to making a misogynist "FU!" the endlessly repeated chorus of the shiniest pop hook on your album. self-negating and vicious.
i was so wrong about turnt out, though. amazing song. probably took me a while to figure this out cuz i'm coming in a pop fan.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
wiki makes it look like tricky and los only co-produced half the tracks
this is how it is in the liners
― the resulting pussy stubble (J0rdan S.), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
see to me The-Dream is like Drake in that they should only seem like "deep thinkers" if you're like a Jersey Shore cast member or someone else living a life as vacuous and vapid as they do. The-Dream's music is better but philosophically they're both puddles.
xpost interesting
― some dude, Friday, 9 July 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
i really wish 'nikki pt. 2' was at least twice as long
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
"you showing up, keep showing up, keeping showing up where i'm atkeep calling me, keep calling me, keep calling me come backyou fucking with, you fucking with, you fucking with my houseme and my new girl was cool but now i'm having doubts"
is my fav. moment on the album
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
i think irl terius is a self-obsessed asshole but occasionally there are these moments of true honesty + even occasionally sweetness where you think 'wait is this just just a persona'. thats definitely part of his appeal to me over say r kelly who is clearly an A+ bastard but whose music i also adore despite this.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
"speechless" being a case in point
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Friday, 9 July 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
i can't say for sure whether it's straight talk or a half joking/half nasty character sketch. or both?― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer)
i think you're on the mark here. fwiw, he refers to the album as 'the love king saga' but i tend to think of it as 'the fall of the love king' in that it is shown the the love king persona is ultimately shallow and juvenile. case in point: florida university, a song which shares certain signifiers with his tween-pop justin bieber tune, references being cursed out on twitter, culminating with the F U chorus
― ♥ ᶫᵧᵒₒᵛᵤᵉ ♥ (LOLK), Friday, 9 July 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
i think terius' willingness to be such an asshole on record is related to what he said about cursing in that interview quoted upthread - everyone knows what you mean so go ahead and say it. but so much of terius' lyrics feel like fronting to cover for his weaknesses, and the assholey stuff fits right in with that - you never feel he really has the power that would make it repugnant. and i love how gleeful he is about it, way preferable to eg kanye being a whiny asshole. or DRAKE ffs.
i think of the main album ending with "florida university" and the bonus tracks ending with "sorry" as some kind of choose-your-own-adventure alternate-ending shiz.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 9 July 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
gonna content myself with reposting lex for today
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Friday, 9 July 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
yes! that is so otm
― nutz OO)))) (The Reverend), Saturday, 10 July 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago)
our own s1ocki was dj-ing a club night tonight in mtl and rrrobyn and i and some folk went out to shake our stuff and around 2:30 or 3 in the morning the lovely djs busted out YAMAHA! All of it outro included and it was GLORIOUS.
― Alex in Montreal, Saturday, 10 July 2010 08:55 (fourteen years ago)
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this is true, but there was a strand on the first album that pulled against this. there were the songs that seemed like the braggin songs with other dudes as the intended audience, but there were the other songs about how he just wanted to spend all day with his girl. those were kind of sweet, i thought. (feel like j0rdan made this point in one of the other dream threads). but yeah, the unapologetic sleaziness is central to all three albums. i think he's both portraying himself and showing himself to be an asshole.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 10 July 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
I mean. I the Luv Songs is pretty sweet? Also Purple Kisses. But maybe that makes me weird.
― Alex in Montreal, Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
I THINK, rather.
When I'm feeling grouchy I side with some dude and assert that his thin voice does his brutal self-assessments no favors.
I know I've said this before: as good as Love King is (it's his best album), he hasn't topped "Livin' a Lie," in which the presence of a live woman -- even one as cybernetic as Rihanna, which is part of the joke -- puts his loutishness in relief.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
'playin in her hair' is sweet too.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
love king is def not better than the 1st ... alfred i think u are maintaining that this one is better simply to justify yr overrating of 'livin a lie' relative to the other tracks when that one first dropped ... i will not buy any evidence 2 the contrary
― blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago)
purple kisses + playin in her hair were the ones i was thinking of; playin in her hair especially. don't really like livin a lie, though.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
I love the simplicity of the first album.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
i think i was telling alfred like this irl, but these three albums remind me of kanye's first three albums
first one is A+, second one is A, third one is A-
― the resulting pussy stubble (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 10 July 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
each becomes weaker only in the presence of its predecessor
i love u alfred but thinking "livin' a lie" is even in dude's top 10 is crazy crazy crazy
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 July 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
your angle on it is interesting tho tbf, and it's def a very good song
It's got competition, but that's part of the fun.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
Debut is the worst imo (though "Nikki" is maybe my fav -Dream song). Not sure about Love King vs. Love vs. Money.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
crazy talk
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
tape stores middle names
― blap...tremendo (deej), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
Craziest of talk
― the resulting pussy stubble (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago)
I'm hammered now after drinks and dinner. is tape store in character again?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:36 (fourteen years ago)
nah just v rong
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 July 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I think this isn't as good as either of the first two, but only because so much of it has a been there, done that feel. If Love King was his first album, it would be an amazing debut.
― nutz OO)))) (The Reverend), Sunday, 11 July 2010 06:06 (fourteen years ago)
played this for friends at a bbq tonight. no one really understood. ;___;
were impressed by E-40 youtubes tho...
"i liked the guy with glasses"
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 July 2010 06:56 (fourteen years ago)
i think love/hate seems almost like a practice run for the next two albums, in retrospect, which the college dropout didn't w/r/t kanye. the songwriting on love king is def the weakest but i still can't stop listening to it so...
they're all pretty close to each other in terms of quality imo so it's not "crazy talk" to prefer any given one really. right now i'd probably go with LvM > L/H > LK but LK has a good shot of overtaking.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 11 July 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
That was quickhttp://www.usmagazine.com/healthylifestyle/news/christina-milian-the-dream-separate-2010127
― Number None, Monday, 12 July 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
damn u nikki!!
― blap...tremendo (deej), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
LvM > L/H > LK
^^^ but <3 all 3
― nutz OO)))) (The Reverend), Monday, 12 July 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
something fundamentally unlikeable about this album - moreso than there's been previously - keeps me from wanting to much come back to it, and in a weird way i kinda feel like the lameness of that milian split backs me up on that.
― r|t|c, Monday, 12 July 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
and yeah seriously guys -
l/h > lvm > lk
it's not difficult
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
The separation is a good enough excuse to bring this up: One sentiment I'm amazed The-Dream doesn't express more on record (considering how many insecurities he does convey) is the concern that the women in his life are using him not for his money but for his talent and star-making ability. After all, he is one of the most successful songwriters of his time, and you don't have to be that cynical to wonder if some of the singers he dates/marries aren't just thinking about their careers, hoping for dibs on his A-material. Surely he must think about this, right? Maybe it's a sentiment to be explored on the next album (which suddenly seems like it could be his most bitter yet.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago)
a practical reason that could be so is wrt money, he could be talking about literally anyone; wrt fame it could potentially make things irl awkward given it applies to only a handful of ppl, presumably
rtc otm also, tho i like LK a little more than him probably
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
no woman could love those boots
― Jacques_Lamure, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
ive decided lh > lk > lvm but the last two i can switch out depending whether im in the mood for 'consistency' (lk) or 'high pts' (lvm)
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
basically if you dont like love/hate the most you're nuts
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
imo it balances perfect trad R&B songwriting w/ the-dream's particular tics/personality traits the best.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
the one thing that LVM has on L/K is that it ends way better -- i think l/h kinda peters out at the end
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
it ends more triumphantly - mama kills me tho
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:31 (fourteen years ago)
yes if only 'mama' was on the level of 'let me see the booty'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
that's a bonus track you retard
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
YOU TYPE "KELLY'S 12 PLAY" QUOTES ONTO YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE STFU
u sound mad doggie. someone not letting u see the booty?
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
sorry but ethan did not pass that line of zinging on to you when he left ilx
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
not sure what ethan has to do with a the-dream related zing
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
"Kelly's 12 Play" is excellent but i actually prefer "Mama" I think.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 04:19 (fourteen years ago)
who doesn't like love/hate? i love it and consider it the most consistent -dream album, but i'd rather listen to the highlights of LvM and LK :/
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
me too xp
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
The-Dream, POX
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:01 (fourteen years ago)
i assume you mean just songs from his albums
shawty is a tenplayin in her hairpurple kissesluv songsfancy right side of my brainkelly's 12 playf.i.l.a.yamahaturnt out
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:08 (fourteen years ago)
L/H is nowhere near as far out in front as you all are claiming it definitely peters out, it has "falsetto" on it, it's not as strong an album qua album, two of its best tracks ("ditch that" and "livin' a lie") are total sore thumbs...LvM was definitely an improvement
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:13 (fourteen years ago)
it has "falsetto" on it
this is an obvious strength
― nutz OO)))) (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
right?
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:16 (fourteen years ago)
POX
hit it on the roadfancylove vs money pts 1/2mr yeahright side of my brainnikkishe needs my loveditch that...yamahasex intelligent
yeah i had to cheat by treating the LvMs as the same song, whatevz
xp i still hate "falsetto"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:16 (fourteen years ago)
and i don't think i actually like terius' falsetto which might be why i'm not as into "turnt out" as everyone else
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:17 (fourteen years ago)
"falsetto" is one of his most fun songs
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:18 (fourteen years ago)
i think the thing about love/hate is that the singles off that album really hold up to me whereas on lvm & lk they're kinda just... there, for the most part
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:19 (fourteen years ago)
on LvM and LK the singles are just warm-ups for the real meat of the album
with L/H i tend to be either in a "i luv your girl"/"shawty is da shit" mood or a "nikki"/"she needs my love" mood, rarely both at the same time...his light, fun trax have probably got worse since L/H (or at least lazier), but his epic suites have improved.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:23 (fourteen years ago)
o damn deej w/ the pitchfork review
― just sayin, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:27 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan's 10 picks match mine almost exactly. I'd just switch out F.I.L.A. with Sweat It Out or Mr. Yeah. And while this may be a bannable offense around here, I think I might prefer February Love to Fancy (J0rdan's comparison of them upthread OTM). Those 4 LH tracks are what put that album ahead of the others for me.
Is Turnt Out going to be an official single (whatever that means these days)? It would be my favorite single of his if so.
― big jeans (lou), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 08:55 (fourteen years ago)
I think I like Terius more when he's being "fundamentally unlikeable" than when he's being ostentatiously introspective and demanding a medal for it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 09:17 (fourteen years ago)
It's like, clearly he's a cock, it's written right through LvM, so just let him be an honest cock.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 09:19 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:16 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and thinking this entirely discounts ur point
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:38 (fourteen years ago)
A POX ON THE DREAM:
Shawty Is Da ShitFast CarPurple KissesMamaRockin' That ShitFancyRIght Side of my BrainKelly's 12 PlaySex IntelligentYamaha
Just outside the top:
Luv SongsMr. YeahF.I.L.A.
... Yeah I like The-Dream's soppy side.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:58 (fourteen years ago)
Fast CarYamahaRight Side of My BrainSex Intelligent RemixFalsettoF.I.L.A.Rockin' That ShitPurple KissesFancyLivin' a Lie
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:02 (fourteen years ago)
something fundamentally unlikeable about this album - moreso than there's been previously - keeps me from wanting to much come back to it,
^^^ how I feel about L v M.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:03 (fourteen years ago)
i like that he's a total asshole, like following up "Make Up Bag" w/ "F.I.L.A." is HILARIOUS
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:04 (fourteen years ago)
i'm surprised at the lack of love for the love vs moneys here!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:07 (fourteen years ago)
tbh Dream threads are such a combination of live telecasts (e.g. "OMIGOD `FANCY' IS AMAZING!") and crit that they're difficult to wade through and impossible to figure out who said what about which album.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:08 (fourteen years ago)
They are great but I kinda can't help but underrate them as songs if I have to isolate stuff for a pox.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:20 (fourteen years ago)
surprised yr that into 'sex intelligent'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago)
broadly speaking, yeah perhaps. but after three albums (and three billion ilx posts) it's a little too broad. i wouldn't argue he's been fundamentally unlikeable until now - it's always been the pinch of salt in his jammie dodger shortbread, the ludicrous vanity and pettyness accenting the sweetness and the sensitivity, that's made him such a insanely moreish confection. now he's more like a block of marzipan to me though, and i suspect in fact that it's exactly a new "honesty about being a cock" that may be a contributing factor. but i dunno, i've kinda stopped enjoying thinking about him.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:28 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i do enjoy a lot of things about this album, don't get me wrong. but only whilst i'm listening to it.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago)
I Luv Your GirlFalsettoPut It DownYamahaLivin' a LieVeteranFancyNikkiFILASweat It Out
― Andy K, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago)
Shawty Is Da ShitFast CarNikkiPlayin' In Her HairRockin' That ShitPut It DownFancyRight Side of my BrainF.I.L.ATurnt Out
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago)
xp 'veteran' is indeed a jam - the only single on this album. shame terry couldn't find a place for it really.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:44 (fourteen years ago)
fancyveteranmr yeahditch thatrockin that shitplayin in her hairnikkiright side of my brainshe needs my lovefalsetto
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:03 (fourteen years ago)
Fast CarYamahaRight Side of My BrainSex Intelligent RemixFalsettoF.I.L.A.Rockin' That ShitPurple KissesFancyLivin' a Lie― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:02 AM (1 hour ago)
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:02 AM (1 hour ago)
This one comes closest to my own top ten. I might throw in "Turnt Out" or something else from LvM, but it's close.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:22 (fourteen years ago)
shawty is da shitfancysex intelligentditch thatlove vs moneysweat it outsorrymr. yeahnikkishe needs my love
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 13:54 (fourteen years ago)
barring a handful of songs, i would still rather listen to a greatest hits of the songs dream writes for others (ie those baring little trace of his shallow personality) than incur the vanity, poor vocals, ludicrous/just plain shit lyrics of his own albums. hes obviously really talented but i feel he squanders it by making a lot of great ideas, sonics and lovely melodies into stuff thats never quite crap enough for me to enjoy on that level, nor amazing enough for me to really believe in this stuff as being as much a product of a real ARTISTE as so many over sympathetic, in-jokey journalists seem to think it is.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:04 (fourteen years ago)
Why do we harp so much on dream being an asshole? His persona doesn't strike me as that different than any popular modern rapper or singer.
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
yeah he's never really seemed like that much of an asshole to me. maybe on like "i luv your girl"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago)
'It was on king that t.i's asshole persona finally became too much for me'
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
xpost - theyre mostly all assholes too though. its just a default character trait of rap/R&B personas. doesnt help when even dreams introspection is unamusingly shallow/self serving.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
*modern rap/R&B personas
Mainly for the intergalactic sex opera arrangement and "BABY GIRL" chorus. It'd be at the bottom of my POX though. Number 1 is either "Purple Kisses" or "Right Side Of My Brain".
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
because he was just caught cheating, i think. also he claims on his latest album that if you cheat on a woman, you can fix the whole situation by purchasing a chanel make-up bag for her.
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
Great review by the way deej, (although was the last line skewered by an edit?)
If we care about such things, I think the more asshole-ish part of Love King is that "Nikki Pt 2" and "Abyss" appear to be about a "side girl", i.e. he's getting all mopey and then vindictive about someone he wasn't even prepared to see officially (although if I'm following the backstory of "Abyss" correctly it appears she broke up his main relationship by recording his messages and sending them to dream's actual girlfriend).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:15 (fourteen years ago)
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:05 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
partly because he doesn't have the swag/voice to pull it off, partly because so many of y'all think he's such a fragile sensitive soul, partly because other singers don't say loathsome shit like "I don't like to help with the baby because that creates EXPECTATIONS" in interviews
also what tape store just said
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:15 (fourteen years ago)
was just about to mention him being a terrible father
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:05 AM Bookmark
it's the cognitive dissonance between his assholish tendencies and his penchant for sweetness, yeah? I mean the latter makes instances of the former more obvious and makes his more crass moments seem petty when he's got a more proper course all laid out before him. sometimes it just feels like he's choosing the wrong action when he knows better (and he's honest about these shortcomings! maybe that's what is so striking) and feels kinda bad about it even as he does, whereas if he just blundered into all sorts of wrongheaded dickery like plies or someone, it would elicit a different reaction.
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago)
as so many over sympathetic, in-jokey journalists seem to think it is
titchy is srsly the most passive-aggressive poster on this board. dude all the people you're sniping about are RIGHT HERE IN THIS THREAD, you can address us, you know
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago)
also i think society is quick to write off the asshole qualities of beautiful people and -dream is not one of them
― exit through the (Tape Store), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago)
for me dream's undoubted assholery is mitigated, or at least balanced out, by the fact that he's so ludicrous. he's a weak man, always has been! the fact that he's so talented a producer and writer is all the more unexpected coming from such a source.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago)
haha otm xp
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, deej, liked your review too. Your thoughts on L v M's first side are OTM.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
er i dont know if half the people in this thread are journos, bloggers or what (not sure why people on ilx seem to think everyone here knows everything about them). not read any reviews of this album yet either so ive honestly no idea if youve reviewed it or not. so calm down.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
Er: http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/thedream/loveking
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:23 (fourteen years ago)
um thanks for linking me to some reviews. :|
xpost - tell a lie, i did read the factmag review. but 'in jokey journalists' was just meant for people on the net who i find are way more charitable to the "the cognitive dissonance between his assholish tendencies and his penchant for sweetness" than i think is really warranted. the dream seems to inspire a lot of wild persona-projection - i find it hard to buy into the 'dream is so fragile/sensitive/conflicted' club. i love a conflicted/contradictory persona as much as anyone, but the dreams rendering of that seems too mediocre, too humourless for me to really warm to him, apart from when he excises that aspect from his lyrics. its kinda like listening to a R&B j-zone, but not as funny (i also sometimes get the feeling hes almost challenging himself to be more stupid/callous than the next man, but where that could work as a rap lyric with the appropriate amount of wry swagger, in R&B phrased so crudely it just comes off unlikeable and lazily written, even if that laziness is affected). sort of reminds me of the over empathetic responses of some people to solo wyclef (oddly).
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago)
Genre(s): Rap
where is that one great blog post about ppl who are not rappers when i need it?
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
If what ppl/say do outside of their music affected my enjoyment of it (generally speaking) then etc etc
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
"(and he's honest about these shortcomings! maybe that's what is so striking)"
this reminds me of having your cake and eating it kanye shtick, though the 'honesty' re: the shortcomings seems less sincere.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
xp yeah, if the last 20 or whatever posts are any indication, i am not up on his irl soap operas at all, and i'm completely fine with that tbh
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
whoever said you can't have your cake etc?
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
There's mega-star exceptions (MJ, R. Kelly), but Nash ain't one.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not sure either of them have either, but the point of my big long post is that he can't pull it off seamlessly. all the interesting stuff happens in the seams.
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:38 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2009/11/if-hes-black-he-must-rap.html
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago)
thanks, somey
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
Can in part get where titchy's coming from in that I think if/when the-dream's persona grates for me it's less due to any actual nastiness and more due to clumsiness. I don't really connect with "Make Up Bag", not because it's shallow, but because it feels like posturing, he doesn't convince me.
Where I think the-dream can make that sense of mixed messages really work for him is in songs where he's overawed by the girl ("Shawty Is Da Shit", "Purple Kisses", "Playing In Her Hair", "Rockin' That Shit", in a different way "Fancy" and "Right Side Of My Brain" and "Yamaha") - because this emotion is working against his habitual posturing he makes it sound worked-for, "earned"... where by comparison if Ne-Yo pays tribute to a girl it feels like what he'd say to any girl (which is why "Single", which makes this explicit, is one of his best songs).
But dream seems to be moving away from writing songs where he's prepared to allow a loss of control.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
"it feels like posturing, he doesn't convince me."
otm.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
Would ppl itt have a problem listening to Lil boosie now that he's irl murderer
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
tim otm. i think the lack of a really tender, detailed song like purple kisses or sweat it out kinda hurts love king.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
i do like make up bag but mostly for non-lyrical reasons
what about "February Love"?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
if/when the-dream's persona grates for me it's less due to any actual nastiness and more due to clumsiness
this is otm
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
xp have to listen to it more. it didn't immediately grab me as being in that vein, but it very well could be.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
i need to spend more time w/ "february love". i don't feel like i've gotten to the core of it.
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
i think the thing about february love is that it's boring :/
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
Even "February Love" sounds more like the-dream trying to come in all suave and sweep some hot girl off her feet. Like he's been practising george clooney face in the mirror. I'd put "Sweat It Out" in that category. I should note some of his best work is in this category, and I increasingly think "February Love" is excellent.
Basically there are "love" songs where the-dream is all about how awesome he is ("Sweat It Out", "February Love", "Mr Yeah", "Falsetto"), songs where the-dream is all about how awesome the girl is ("Purple Kisses", "Playing in her Hair", "Fancy") and songs which kinda split the difference ("Luv Songs").
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
I may actually prefer "February Love" to "Fancy" but we'll see. I just love the harmonies on the former.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
Basically there are "love" songs where the-dream is all about how awesome he is
ts: morris day vs. the dream.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
Even "February Love" sounds more like the-dream trying to come in all suave and sweep some hot girl off her feet
imo "come on baby step into my sun" sung in falsetto is about the most balls-out naked emotion the-dream has ever done. of course then he goes right back into the nervy, defensive raps mentioned upthread
― Whiney G. Savagegarten (LOLK), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
well, i mean the song seems to start out like you mentioned, with him trying to sweep this girl off her feet. but i think slowly as the beat comes in, he starts to let his guard down, then switching back to his posturing as quickly as it came
― Whiney G. Savagegarten (LOLK), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
dream is never really an asshole -- he's kind of just a fool, but a lovable one
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
or at least he's as much of an asshole as anyone else, just think it's weird that it's somehow like the main focus of this thread because it doesn't alter my own personal listening experience at all
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
for the record i thought deej's review was great & insightful
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
I wish he'd spent more time breaking down the songs on Love King and a lot less on "here is a brief history of The-Dream's career to date, for all you Pfork readers who are just now hearing his name."
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
you could just read this thread
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
deej's review should have linked to this thread
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
every review of love vs money should have linked back to the OG dream thread
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
except all the ones by writers who don't post to ILM and heard his music via other channels
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
i think that the OG dream thread is the comprehensive documentation of dream on the internet pretty much up until lvm i.e. it getting linked in that idolator (RIP) post the week of LVM
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
then you're way too inside the ILM bubble
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
who wrote critically about the-dream before lvm came out? shit is not even on metacritic
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
i mean if you really think one message board thread can be ground zero for all internet discussion of an album that went gold and had three top 10 R&B singles...
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
the album was reviewed favorably in lots of magazines and newspapers when it was released, y'know, months before it was in the ILM canon
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
who reads newspapers
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
it was also pretty well liked in the R&B blogosphere and y'know...don't be dense.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
it's possible for there to be little to no (worthwhile) internet discussion outside of a message board thread for albums that go gold and have three top 10 singles on a billboard chart i.e. poptimist stuff
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
this is so much more applicable to how to be a lady: vol 1
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not being dense -- that's a massive thread with lots of thoughtful posts about an album that was barely talked about outside of perfunctory newspaper/magazine reviews, from what i can tell
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
that is also true
i don't think you can deny that it's very likely that there isn't a greater (in both the 'larger' and 'better' senses of the word) composite of critism on the-dream than that thread anywhere, whether it was the only criticm on him at the time or not
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
i vaguely remember FADER repping hard for him right before LvM came out.
― Moreno, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
j shep has always been a massive dream backer from the start -- she was also on top of e red before anyone as far as i know
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
POX of songs written by terry
bedshawty is da shit!rockin that shit9 to 5purple kisses fast carfancyturnt outFILAluv songs
second 10
umbrellayamahadevotionribboni'm not okright side of my brainplayin in her hairhigh pricemamajust fine
bottom 3
like a surgeontake care of merockstar 101
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago)
i can't believe u hate "take care of me" total fail on yr part
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago)
"bed" is dogshite
the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago)
i've got this theory that it's really MEN that terius really doesn't understand. for whatever his asshole/loverman method with women, it's other dudes who are really on another planet as far as he's concerned. so many of these songs read like, i dunno, a don't-leave-me-hangin high-five that may or may not get returned. i feel like he's addressing an imagined audience of men, talking ABOUT women in whatever way, a lot of the time.
but i haven't really thought this thru and i'm already seeing the holes in it...
― goole, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
i completely sympathize with shipley & others' reaction to dream's persona, which definitely can grate at times, but (cf "clumsy") it doesn't bother me too much because much of that posturing is just so impotent - he's like the dennis duffy of asshole R&B singers
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
hating on "bed" negates any opinion of "take care of me"
man there were like 15 other songs vying for those last 5 spots for me too - i like a lot of the-dream songs if i'm being honest
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
he didn't say "largest," he said "comprehensive," which is a whole other ball of wax. this a lot like deej's "Winehouse was critically underrated because Pitchfork didn't love it" argument, people always mistake THEIR frame of reference for the whole world.
also it not being on Metacritic is pretty meaningless since how many R&B albums even get on Metacritic that aren't neo soul and/or huge Usher-type stars?
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
i do think it's the largest and therefore the most comprehensive discussion of the-dream album 'love/hate' on the internet
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
unless you can direct me to essays that i missed about it on the r&b blogosphere
this a lot like deej's "Winehouse was critically underrated because Pitchfork didn't love it" argument, people always mistake THEIR frame of reference for the whole world.
as oppose to the frame of reference that you've provided which is "blogs"
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:46 AM Bookmark
granted, this isn't terry's fault at all
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
― k3vin k., Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:53 PM (2 minutes ago)
i mean compare dream's steez to something like "why you wanna" (lol sorry fourfour) and the difference is clear. i can totally see dream saying "pffftt...LESBIAN" at the end of some of his songs
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
j. holiday makes me want to solder my ears shut, basically
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
i never noticed anything about his singing on that song, just sounds like a dude imo
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
a dude with the vocal chords of a sick goat
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago)
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
"comprehensive" means EVERYTHING, "most comprehensive" means the closest to everything that exists which may not be that much at all, so you just totally changed your claim. do i really have to explain how words work to you guys?
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago)
rev one of my favorite things is finding terry demos of songs he writes for othe artists. here's bed. i wish i could find more than the dozen or so i could dig up
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
i haven't had sound on my computer for months :(
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
really sweating the semantics there, somey
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago)
so many of these songs read like, i dunno, a don't-leave-me-hangin high-five that may or may not get returned. i feel like he's addressing an imagined audience of men, talking ABOUT women in whatever way, a lot of the time.
― goole, Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:51 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ITS the dream asks if you saw the ass on that one
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder if Chris Brown ever actually recorded "Bed," can you imagine how shit that must be?
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago)
lol i've looked for it - can't find it but i'm sure it's not a great performance
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:02 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
oh lord al
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
i know i'm just nitpicking now, but to get back to the meat of J0rdan's argument, that ILM was so responsible for The-Dream's critical success that every LvM rave should link back to that thread, I just think that's bullshit.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
it was a joke, good lord
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
you're really, really reading into that one post if you think i was intimating that ilm is responsible for the-dream's critical success
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
stephen complained that deej's review spend too much time talking about the history of the-dream and didn't talk enough about love king call all destroyer posted that deej's review should've linked back to this thread, because in this thread we're talking a lot about the songs on love kingi posted that all reviews about love vs money should've linked back to the OG dream thread, because in that thread we talked a lot about the songs on l/h, thus nullifying the need for "dream history"
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
eh i guess i misread your intent. coulda said that 30 posts ago!
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
i mean unless every review of LvM had a problem of not talking about the songs on it, didn't occur to me to read it that way.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
i could've clarified, but i didn't mean that they should've linked back (a claim that is a joke in of itself) as to say "THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED!"
― hoos gossage (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago)
anyway sorry for cussin and gettin heated over nothin
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
Ya so good review, deej.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like we came this close to get called out by their some dudes
― Mister AOR (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah for a sec i almost spelled j0rdan with the letter 'o'
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
lmao @ "by their some dudes"
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
Fuck you guys, who cares who started talking Terius. I'M HIS FATHER BOW DOWN.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
it would really be too perfect if Terius Youngdell was the son of a guy named Rennavate Nash
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
I'm a little surprised how suddenly the sentiment in this thread seems to have turned against LvM. We all agree Love/Hate was pretty much perfect, but for me Love vs. Money is way bolder and more rewarding, the Dream album that most expanded the boundaries of contemporary R&B albums, introducing sounds, song structures and emotions almost completely foreign to the genre.
It's the type of genuinely revelatory, game-changing record that only comes around once every couple of years, so it's a bummer to suddenly see it dismissed by CW as an uneven, failed experiment.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
― Alex in Montreal, Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:55 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark
haha i think i was there and dancing too, casa right? i was pretty sad it kind of killed the dance floor after 'around the world' (iirc) but whadayagonnado, people are not ready for this next level realness
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
mile end hipsters are not ready for this next level realness, at the very least
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
i'm djing next week and plan to play "yamaha", can't wait
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137901872904091 in case anyone reading this thread will be in london next thu
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
Of course, I made my last post before I finished the ILX top albums 2005-2009 thread, where LvM bested Love/Hate.
In a way, that just makes me more confused, though.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:02 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yessir. would that we had known! how many MTLX0rs can we fit in one room. Mile End hipsters are ready for a fair amount of realness, tho, including Janet and Mystikal and Big Boi etc. so I won't reallly begrudge them. We are a better breed than most of our ilk.
AAAAAAAAAANYWAY. I remain more and more baffled that Veteran isn't on the LP proper, b/c it's really the only song I can think of releasing as a single off this besides Love King/Make Up Bag/FILA or an edit of Yamaha.
― Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
love vs. money is still my fave--i heard lh first but lvm just clicked more for whatever reason
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:55 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
actually this was the opposite of my winehouse argument -- i was explicitly talking abt how a crit-frame of reference had undervalued her specifically in our world of music writer-y ness, and that she was only real popular w/ mainstream spin-type greg kot critics
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw I spent more time on the love king review than basically any review ive written for them, & it went back n forth thru a bunch of iterations & considerable last minute edits. im happy w how it turned out, although it also had slightly diff focuses at different points -- initially, it was a lot more abt the-dream 'persona' & actually sorta subtext-d what goole was talking about upthread although it didnt occur to me to be quite so black & white with gender... i think hes largely right though
but basically i was talking about how his non-persona was a persona, and how that non-persona was appealing to the-dream's cult at the expense of pop stardom .... there was a lot less the-dream history & a lot more watching him fade as a pop star while transforming into a cult hero. and some explanation about what specifically in his music it was that did that. later versions it was decided (mutually) that more background & context were needed, as I wasnt explicitly writing for this thread
the last line of the piece was edited, but i approved the edit & dont think its particularly off from what I think.
earlier versions also were more critical of the album & i argued a bit more about what was lost by the-dream giving up that more detached pop songwriting expertise in an attempt to sound like The-Dream(TM)
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
i had a part in an early draft that in retrospect i wish i had included, basically comparing the way we put up w/ the-dream's goofy fronting because he cuts w/ such emotional honesty that its almost reflective of his central concern of love -- yr willing to let logic & rationality fall to the wayside when something is so undeniably true-feeling
― blap...tremendo (deej), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago)
really like tim's post upthread too -- thats what i mean by 'fronting' bascially
I would like to read this review also.
In general I think it's really challenging to step back from involved discussions to write a review that works for a general audience and feel like what you've done works in both contexts. I had the same issue when I reviewed electrik red.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
i was kind of surprised to see that you had written the pfrok review, deej, since you've seemed pretty critical about his work post- l/h on ilx threads. anyways i really like the essay, super glad it was an ilxor and not ryan dombal or some other dork.
i'm glad the link to this thread wasn't posted in a pitchfork review cuz it would probably be an unreadable clusterfuck within a couple of days
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
i was kind of surprised to see that you had written the pfrok review, deej, since you've seemed pretty critical about his work post- l/h on ilx threads
That's exactly why I trusted him!
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 02:17 (fourteen years ago)
deej this is a trivial question but how much input did you have wrt the rating (iirc they bumped your blaqkout score down a few percentage points right; i'd venture to guess they did the opposite here)? it's a good review tho i was a bit surprised @ how positive it was - i'd love to read the first draft too,
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
For anyone interested in Terius demos this blog has a heap of em' in one placehttp://rateddr.blogspot.com/2010/01/dream-lovetape-demos-unofficial.html
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
They bumped your score of BlaQKout DOWN? What did you originally want to give it, deej?
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:56 (fourteen years ago)
Amen to that; I really think that's the essence of his appeal. He makes it very easy to excuse his (many) clunkers.
Great review all around, though, it really captured how intricate his sound is.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
this guy is nuts huh?
guess ive been sleeping for like three years now
listened to abyss like 12 times in a row tonight
― max, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 04:56 (fourteen years ago)
the backing vocal build-up leading into the second chorus of "abyss" absolutely slays
― Bastards of Young Dro, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 05:16 (fourteen years ago)
strange approaching the-dream in reverse, as a latecomer. contrary to most posters here, i'm way more taken with love king than with love-hate. hven't yet gotten a handle on where love vs. money fits in.
ilm consensus seems to count "playin' in her hair" and "purple kisses" among love-hate's standout tracks, but i'm not there (yet). for me, the album idles for a while before taking off with "nikki" and "she needs my love", then shifts back down until "ditch that...", after which it's on to the end. back-loaded, in other words. and the asshole quality is much less pronounced relative to love king, which should be a good thing, but i find myself missing it, retrospectively.
discussed upthread, but i love the way "nikki pt. 2" inverts the 1st installment. he starts out telling his cheating spouse how happy he is with nikki, but winds up pining for N after (it seems) she cheats on him, too. he paints himself as quite the fool, left and left again, but still unable to let go. i like part 1 a lot better as a song, though.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
xposts: yeah, abyss is stunning (and not a little horrifying)
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:22 (fourteen years ago)
we put up w/ the-dream's goofy fronting because he cuts w/ such emotional honesty that its almost reflective of his central concern of love -- yr willing to let logic & rationality fall to the wayside when something is so undeniably true-feeling
so damn well said. if anything, you're underselling the point. it's not just (or almost) reflective of his central concern. it's straight-up THE central concern of love itself, to the extent that we're being honest about it. agree that he gets to the heart of the selfish/self-justifying/self-deluding aspects of love, which makes sense of the dreamlike yet threatening qualities of his music.
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
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that said, u have terrible taste
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:45 (fourteen years ago)
lol sry for dissing u after the compliments
in march 09 i asked max if he had heard the new the-dream yet & he ignored the question -- just confirmed via chat logs
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:46 (fourteen years ago)
i guess hes one of those dudes who needs to read a pfork review to like something ^___^
couldnt get over the fucking hyphen frankly
― max, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:49 (fourteen years ago)
smh u are later than rolling stone mag u realize
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
dang, was gonna say
http://methodandmoxie.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/pinch-ouch1.jpg
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
http://methodandmoxie.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/pinch-ouch1.jpg,
that is
not sure the comma helped
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 06:53 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 03:54 (3 hours ago) Bookmark
zomg thank you wow
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 08:02 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, neglected to say anything earlier, but thanks NN. downloading...
― good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 08:17 (fourteen years ago)
xxxposts I'm so annoyed that I'm making a trip to London in a fortnight instead of a week, SO BONES looks SO GOOD.
Also can't get over what a terrible father Terius must be, I feel really bad that the child will grow up and see his admissions of "I just don't want to help out."
― get the fuck out of my mouth (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago)
altered bones more like
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago)
The Demo's
― Whiney G. Savagegarten (LOLK), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
wow@ dream singing the umbrella demo
― Whiney G. Savagegarten (LOLK), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
this album's pretty OK imo
― verybooming post pavillion (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
the lvm demo's just sound like unmastered versions, ne1 notice any differences?
― Whiney G. Savagegarten (LOLK), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
the lvm leak of Florida University is like a halfstep down from the YouTube o_O
― verybooming post pavillion (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
def fuckin with this Ladysmith Black Mambazo jam at the end
― verybooming post pavillion (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
i hope "sorry" makes people go back and take note of brandy's underrated (under-noticed, really) "something's missing" from a couple of years ago that did EXACTLY what "sorry" does (and better, too)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
damn the demo for 'betcha gon' know' is incredible
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 15 July 2010 14:58 (fourteen years ago)
^-^
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 15 July 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
the layered vocals in the last minute are like a warm up for sex intelligent
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
ha shipley's "the-dream karaoke" line about the last mariah album seeming mad prescient now
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:14 PM (Yesterday)
this is just str8 bs that brandy track is hella annoying and weirdly forgettable. (i had to google it bc i thought i didn't know what you were talking abt and then i was like "OH... that")
― plax (ico), Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
i just realized my listening habits have become like 90% terius/10% everything else for like the past month
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 17 July 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago)
like i had just recently dl'ed DIFFERENT DEMO VERSIONS of some of those songs in that link (the version of 'welcome to vegas' titled 'elope' is waaay better, even tho the chorus still sux)
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 17 July 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100716/REVIEW/707159982/1008
smh @ the lex saying the-dream/tricky have "surpassed" timbaland and the neptunes
u fuckin stans have no shame
― some dude, Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
Okay, yeah, I love The-Dream but that is just o_O
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
Lex is that really you recommending Jim O'Rourke at the end there.
― Tim F, Saturday, 17 July 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i mean, esp if you're talking about outside production work... there's no way that dream is touching timbo or the neptunes, but their best shit is the best music ever, so it's not exactly a knock
― i think i'm baby peach, larry koopa (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^
― Tim F, Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan you don't get to play measured voice of reason here, when i dared terius stans to say he's on r. kelly's level a while back you took the bait
― some dude, Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
he is!
― i think i'm baby peach, larry koopa (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
wait are you saying that r kelly is on timbaland/neptunes levels?
tp.2 com/chocolate factory are on the levels of love vs money to me
dream has not put out nearly as much crap, kelly has not put out an album as good as 'love/hate', but kelly's sheer volume of work right now means that he has a larger number of great songs
but i think it's harder to separate dream tracks from their albums because of how they're sequenced
as far as outside work, i don't think dream is all that great -- he has some really good joints of course, but, like, "bed" is the best one, and he does those joints better on his own albums -- otherwise he has good teenpop stuff & "umbrella" and that's about it
― i think i'm baby peach, larry koopa (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 17 July 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
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nah but his body of work is pretty far up there, as far as contemporary hitmakers. and seriously if you think what The-Dream has done in the last 3 years is anywhere near equal to what R. has done in the last 18 you're just insane.
― some dude, Sunday, 18 July 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
actually I might put him on about the same level as the Neptunes.
i would put kells above the neptunes fwiw& 12play >> lovehate
― blap...tremendo (deej), Sunday, 18 July 2010 06:40 (fourteen years ago)
gah it's so lame to blame subs but that is exactly what happened, my original copy read "has taken on the mantle of Timbaland and the Neptunes" - partly my fault as i was sent the final pdf before it went to print but didn't read it carefully enough.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 18 July 2010 07:37 (fourteen years ago)
Ha ha yes, much more than a change of a number score would bother me if that happened, nothing is more infuriating to me than a very very minor subeditorial rewording which is similar to what you wanted to say and yet just different enough (and usually blunter or more grandiose in its claims) that it becomes something you'd never say.
― Tim F, Sunday, 18 July 2010 07:48 (fourteen years ago)
that passing the mantle thing is not really a bold claim, he does currently hold the title previously held by timba/c+p w/o breaking their records
― plax (ico), Sunday, 18 July 2010 08:31 (fourteen years ago)
yeah when i was re-reading it, it was more to check whether the desexualised piece still made sense (abu dhabi paper = you can get away with less than in a UK publication). well i hope you liked the rest of it.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 18 July 2010 08:34 (fourteen years ago)
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haha that sucks, sorry for latching on the one part where the meaning was so dramatically changed
― some dude, Sunday, 18 July 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago)
just saw the the 'make up bag' vid and is terius about 5'3 or
― BIG MEECH aka the larryhoover (The Reverend), Monday, 19 July 2010 09:49 (fourteen years ago)
purely at the moment in terms of their best work for me right nowtimbo > kells > dream > neptunes
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, June 28, 2010 7:24 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, June 28, 2010 7:25 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
from a million years ago, but me, too. this kind of juvenile is what dream excels at imo.
i like this album more than love v. money, too.
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 July 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
we don't have internet at my appartment and this is the only thing on my roommate's computer so we listen to it like three times a day
― young monet (samosa gibreel), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4813402382_c2b854965a.jpg
lolll lex is this you as well?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 22 July 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
lolll no but i'm going cuz miss miracles = manara
(the invites came thru the day after we'd sent the so bones ones out)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
god i'm almost tempted to go watch but i srsly don't think i could rein in the internet persona
― r|t|c, Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
come!! to both!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
I've come round to the fact that I just like this album more because it sounds so much BIGGER than the others. I always thought the so called sturm und drang in the Love vs Moneys sounded pretty toytown when it should have been enormous, this one's just huge. It's essentially stadium rnb.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 July 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
yeah? productionwise this one feels thinner and way less interesting to me. maybe noting the production credits is affecting how i hear it but his solo stuff just isn't as good as the Los/Tricky beats.
― some dude, Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Monday, July 5, 2010 11:08 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
fuiud
― goole, Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
no
― exit through the (Tape Store), Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
Always never not givin' a fuck
― Andy K, Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like he got too caught up in carrying out the elements of his big conceptual hoo-ha rather than having it flow out of whatever songs he was writing at the time. the songs don't pop out as the first two albums do, they're like less-good versions. not bad, but less good. "yamaha" is good, but it's no "fast car". "florida university" is fun, but it's no "mr. yeah." he may never top "fancy" at any rate. the whole albums is like this.
― goole, Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
i can hear all of that but i still can't really stop listening to the album yet
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
― Andy K, Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:20 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
i laughed out loud on the tube to this yesterday!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 22 July 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
i think this is still a stronger front->back listen than the 2nd one
― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, 22 July 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like he got too caught up in carrying out the elements of his big conceptual hoo-ha rather than having it flow out of whatever songs he was writing at the time.
my feelings about LvH!
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
LoVeHate
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
this one sounds way smaller than either of the first two to me
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
really? to me it's much more fleshed out musically. but the songwriting isn't on the same level, there's only like 3 classic songs on the new one
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago)
what's the consensus on "Make-Up Bag" (as a song, as a single, w/e)? because man, I fucking hate that song with a passion.
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago)
upthread i think i compared it to "i luv your girl" just in terms of album flow, but you hate that one too so there you go. it is a similar song
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
I think it might be my secret favorite on the album, doesn't really work as a single, but I'm not sure what on this album would.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
At least it's the one I find in my head the most.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not particularly attached to ILYG either - i sometimes skip it when i'm listening thru on l/h but i like it as a single. "make up bag" is pretty unnecessary on either level
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago)
mhm..."love king" is a good single, "florida university" could have potential, and i'm holding out hope for "FILA". "turnt out" is an incredible song that will flop
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago)
"i luv your girl" is one of the best joints on l/h
the singles off the first album >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> singles off the other two albums, "fila" excepted
i agree with kevin that this only has like 3 classic songs -- the production is pretty cool, and from that standpoint i guess i could see how shit like "sweat it out"/"put it down" or "love vs money"/"love vs money 2" would seem unimpressive. but as songs i think they're better than lots of shit on this
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
The first two songs are the worst. My iTunes playlist leads with "F.I.L.A," and a great start it is too.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
i know "only has 3 classic songs" is considered an insult from y'all but i really think that's too kind for this album. i definitely think it's by far his weakest album.
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
well i think those 3 songs (which for me are "FILA", "yamaha", and "turnt out") are pretty head and shoulders above the rest. i don't doubt at all it's his weakest
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
i also think it's by far his weakest
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
i stand by my comparison of first three dream albums = first three kanye albums (in terms of quality solely)
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i think the arc is very similar, good call
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
2nd dream is best, 2nd kanye is weakest
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
(pre-808s obv)
You got the second part right, Rev.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
i definitely disagree - i don't get why love/hate is the obvious standout for you at all. the 3 albums are pretty even for me atm.
"only 3 good songs" is bs though, when the entire stretch from "f.i.l.a." thru to "abyss" is 100% classic. add "florida university", "veteran", "priceless" and "take care of me" and that adds up to slightly more than 3.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
rev otm afaic
― call all destroyer, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
l/h and lvm are close, this one is not
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
all the songs on LK are good but "3 classic" songs is about right, maybe only 2
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago)
yeah lex 'classic' means something different to me than 'good'
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
i don't have any problem saying love/hate >> love vs money >>>> love king tho. and again i like love king, a lot even!
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
Next single? "Veteran" should be one, even though it's a bonus cut. "Florida University," I'm assuming, is up too?
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
I think "Panties to the Side" is actively bad and if it wasn't there I might put this on a level with LvsM. But for me it's kinda the equiv of what "Walking On The Moon" is for Deej.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
xps lex is british, therefore everything must be BEST!!! or WORST!!!
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
I love "Make Up Bag", not my favorite track though. I'm not sure what that would be, probably still "Yamaha".
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
i thought "turnt out" was gonna be the single? it woulda flopped anyway
imo put TI back on "FILA" and give that one a shot
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
I don't actively dislike any song on any of his albums unless we are counting "Let Me See the Booty"
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, "Panties" both ruins the incredible flow of the previous five-six songs, and isn't sexy OR dirty at all, which a song SHOULD BE if you fucking name it "Panties to the Side."
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
they definitely saved the wrong songs for bonus tracks, "Veteran" and "Sorry" are better than a lot of songs on the album proper
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
"let me see the booty" >>>>>>>>>> "mama," etc.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago)
I can't turn my heart into a face so I can palm it.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
"let me see the booty" is highly dope
who cares what the singles are... don't think he's gonna have any more solo hits
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
brainwasher noooo
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
i really want al to back me up with the "take care of me" hate - i've been strangely alone there
i mean it's a bad song, but who cares
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
"mama" is really lame... like I have to give the sideye to anyone who actually enjoys that song.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
alright which ilxor wrote love king's wikipedia entry
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
xxxp that's because u are totally rong about it
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:55 PM Bookmark
yeah prob otm
― some dude, Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:53 PM Bookmark
this too
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
terius saying that "take care of me" was as good as "fancy" is perfect evidence that musicians lived in totally warped worlds
like when LA reid said that he thought "walkin on the moon" could be bigger than "umbrella"
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
wtf is brainwasher on about tho
"veteran" is one of the top 5 songs on the whole thing
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
i too much prefer "let me see the booty" to "mama"
I still think "Walking on the Moon" is a real good song.
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago)
Same here.
I used to always skip "Mama" but it totally breaks my heart now.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:57 PM (22 seconds ago)
i've always liked it as a song but never connected with it the way tim has described, that is until a few weeks ago when i paid more attention to the lyrics and it really fucked me up for some reason
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
yeah xp
oh i thought jordan was on the other team wrt "take care of me", nice
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think it's the worst thing i've ever heard, but i don't need to hear dream writing a muse song
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
serious question for kev about "take care of me": why u hatin?
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
lol what
I really think "Florida University" would be a horrible choice for a single.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
guys we need to find another r&b artiste to talk about ad nauseum, I kind of feel like Terius is done
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
I think hearing "Florida University" on the radio would probably wear me out on it pretty damn quickly tbh.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:55 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
w.t.f.
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago)
some bullshit stannery
'mama' is dope dont get brainwasher sometimes
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
"Take Care Of Me" is the bloated rock ballad right? yeah that's garbage.
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
guys...
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
I WILL BRING YOU DOWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
i think "let me see the booty" is a cool song idk, i'm not stanning
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think old Youngdell is necessarily done as a radio presence, he could turn around and have a huge single with his next album or next rap collab, but yeah he has been kinda shooting blanks for a minute
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
i could say "wtf how do you think third album is better than the second, you're being a worthless contrarian" but what good what that do anyone
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
sheeit it's just sinking in that i didn't get the deluxe version.
i'm kind of settling on "FILA" and "turnt out" as the best
― goole, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
"let me see the booty" kind of grew on me after a while :/
Maybe he just needs Rihanna on a track, I mean her presence is the only conceivable reason I can see that the horrible new Eminem song is sitting at number one.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
This thing's turning into a sports thread!
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
btw rev you like "hit it on the road" so i don't want to hear it from you
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
I actually like "Take Care of Me," kinda.
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
Is Youngdell what we're using now? Seems to be some kind of inflation heatdeath w/r/t how quickly we wear out these cutesy insider monikers.
Thing with "Mama" is off the top of my head it's the only song I've heard which actually uses all the autotune tricks for thoughtful thematic and emotional purposes - really sounds like he's in the middle of some sort of seance.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:10 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark
are you unaware of how eminem's singles from his last two albums have charted?
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
I never got the hate for "let me see the booty," that beat is crazy and it has a pretty good hook... plz to explain, booty haters?
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
haha well I started "Terry" so I'm just trying to stay ahead of the curve, Tim
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
xps eminem had another horrible #1 hit earlier this year w/o rihanna and one last year too so
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
I started calling him Terius. I'm the father of this nickname shit.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
I'm well aware, I just think this song is even worse than the last one. Better than the single from the previous album, yeah.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
haha yeah i wasn't claiming credit for Terius, just saying
for me anytime The-Dream raps or does anything with a harder crunk-type production style it's really awkward and clashes badly with his little stuffed animal voice, "Booty" might coulda been an OK song for another artist but for him it's garbage.
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
"Turnt Out" sounds like a pained, more elegant "Falsetto," like an Alexander O'Neal ballad from 1987. I need to relisten to "Falsetto" though to hear if "Turnt Out" opens it up for me.
Also: "February Love" >> "Fancy"
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
Madness. There is no song there, Feb Love is very aimless and forgettable. "Fancy" is still the best thing he's ever done.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
terius rapping is sometimes awesome, always lol
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
There is no song there, Feb Love is very aimless and forgettable. "Fancy" is still the best thing he's ever done.
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah that's a weird ass opinion
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
I don't really have a problem buying Terryus rapping - sure, it's corny, but he's a total cornball when he's singing too, so it's not out of sync with his persona or anything...
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
^otm
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
yeah otm
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
fancy is better but feb love def has a 'song there'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
I don't hear it.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
well, there is a song there, but it doesn't even try to be better than "fancy"
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:23 (fourteen years ago)
which is fine, but... it's not better
He needs to use that urgent, ever-so-light growl from "Yamaha" more often ("Iffa you let me in that body I wanna turn this MUTHAFUCKA out!" *guitar strum*)
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:18 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wasn't saying i don't 'buy' him rapping or think it goes against his persona, since his straight R&B stuff is very hip hop-influenced anyway, i'm just saying it sounds awful with his wittle voice
― some dude, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
i wish i could talk about any of the other songs on the album but im stuck on the yamaha>nikki>abyss suite and cant listen to anything else
― max, Friday, 23 July 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
"February Love" is on total (can't find slowburner.gif - insert it here) status
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
max u new jack
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
Next single should be the 'Veteran' remix with Kells but that would never actually happen, so moot point.
Terius rapping is hit and miss. I think it works in a strange way on 'Panties to the Side', ditto for 'Ditch That...'
'Hit It On the Road' might be one of the most awkward things I've heard.
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
yeah maxy you should get up on 'love vs money'
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
Also, if we could get a Single Mix of 'Yamaha' that does it justice and ends as though it were actually a song (sort of like the FILA mix with TI vs. album version, or the Single Mix of Make-Up Bag), I would be a happy individual.
It's hard to blast 'Yamaha' out of the album context when it's so depending on flowing into 'Nikki Pt. 2'
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
Madness.
Just the last thirty seconds of "Fancy" > "February Love"
...and that's ignoring the rest of the song!
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 23 July 2010 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:10 PM (Yesterday)
"let me see the booty" is *shrugs*.jpg to me - i'm cool w/ its bonus track status
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 04:40 (fourteen years ago)
it really fits nowhere on lvm, but it's a good song
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 July 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that's the thing, i don't like it or anything but it not being on the album at least makes me not resent it and it's certainly made of parts i dig (and parts i don't)
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 July 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago)
"hit it on the road" is among my favourite terius songs
"let me see the booty" isn't, but i like it a lot
they're both definitely better than "mama"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 July 2010 08:07 (fourteen years ago)
this was even more the case with "fancy" flowing into "right side of my brain", cuz if you tried to listen to "fancy" on its own you were stuck with that cliffhanger key change and nowhere to go at the end. often with terius you have to work out which batches of songs you have to listen to at any given time.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 July 2010 08:11 (fourteen years ago)
Veteran is terrific, it's sort of Balearic. Soft rock guitar!
Panties To The Side is actively awful.
I listened to the first album again this morning and enjoyed it A LOT more than I did a couple of years ago, I think it's just the second one (specifically the middle section of the second one) that prejudiced me against him.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 July 2010 09:03 (fourteen years ago)
you're not the 1st on this thread to say (or at least imply) this. why so? always happy when it comes on.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 09:05 (fourteen years ago)
It feels like an awkward half-way to everything fudge, it's not fast or bouncy enough to be a club banger and its component parts don't really hold together very well.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 July 2010 09:20 (fourteen years ago)
it's more stepper's-groove tempo (what up kells!) than house like "ditch that". that doesn't mean it's not dancable.
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 09:26 (fourteen years ago)
Lazy lazy songwriting (esp. the bridge), bad lyrics, tune ain't memorable, the production a relatively drab re-run of a prior success.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 July 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago)
can kinda see the incoherence argument, but the component parts are all so individually good that i don't care. shuffling beat is awesome, lazy delivery is awesome ("thugged out ... optimo"), 1st chorus is just brilliant, 2nd is kinda obvious but no less catchy for it, burning sirens kill me every time. so many perfect lyrical moments: "come make love to the last romantic", "if you're sexy and you know it, shake your ass, girl", "do you once, you'll never leave." so ominous. even like the rock bridge!
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 09:46 (fourteen years ago)
!!!fucking exclamation points!!!
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Friday, 23 July 2010 09:50 (fourteen years ago)
"thugged out.....optimo" is top 5 :D lyrical moments on the alb
― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Friday, 23 July 2010 10:28 (fourteen years ago)
Will also rep for Panties to the Side. Feels like one of the most complete pop songs on the album to me, albeit without registering any of the most intense musical highs. Stop hating on the 'never be a pop star' bridge, it always makes me :).
― lucas, Saturday, 24 July 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago)
1st time i heard it, 1st thing i thought of was peter, bjorn & john
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 24 July 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago)
only songs i skip are panties to the side & take care of me, sometimes makeup bag
'the most complete pop songs' being Make Up Bag (another favourite), Yamaha, Panties to the Side and Florida University.
― lucas, Saturday, 24 July 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago)
i don't need to hear dream writing a muse song― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:02 PM (3 days ago)
― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:02 PM (3 days ago)
I don't need to hear anyone writing a fucking Muse song... k thanks.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Sunday, 25 July 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
yw
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Monday, 26 July 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago)
I like Muse but I don't think "Take Care of Me" sounds like them in anything but the most superficial way.
― born to darraghmac (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 06:48 (fourteen years ago)
I hate Muse but I agree with Rev, "Take Care of Me" sounds nothing like 'em.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 07:48 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, big ott crashing crescendoes and melodrama ≠ muse
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 08:12 (fourteen years ago)
I agree, Muse at least have some sense of their own ridiculousness.
― Number None, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
they don't, however, have a sense of their own shittiness
― for those about to s1ock, we slutsk you (m bison), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
Oh i'm no fan of Muse. I just think it's funny that people praised "Take Care Of Me" on this thread when it's exactly the kind of bog-standard rock that is normally anathema to a large section of ILM.
― Number None, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
pointing out that "take care of me" doesn't ACTUALLY sound like muse is really missing the point
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
i thought the point was "it sounds like muse"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
no the point is that it's a terrible song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
me & jordan s getting back on the same wavelength recently
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
anyway yeah it's just bad - pretty lame on its own terms but dream can't even begin to pull that kind of song off imo, as much as i do actually love his voice
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know if i've ever heard a muse song. take care of me sounds like a latter-day u2 song to me.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i'm not familiar with muse either but i understand what jordan's saying
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2010/07/whats-a-king-to-do.html#more
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 July 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
undying love for rich but never really agree with him on terry
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
He relies too much on the title track for support, but Rich OTM. I love this album, and every day I'm convinced it's his best.
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
me either xp
that post echoes deej's sentiments
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 July 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
there are some really bad lines in there but i sorta agree w/ his general message
― johnny crunch, Friday, 30 July 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
J's used Kanye as an analogy a lot; for me Terius' trajectory is similar to Ne-Yo's. He's recorded a pretty good to excellent debut, an overwrought variation in his second, and consolidated his songwriting chops and production tricks for a purported victory lap album that surprisingly turns out to be his most fetching, consistent group of tunes.
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
describing 'turnt out' as a "fast slow jam" is kind of perfect
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 July 2010 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
"FILA" is firmly entrenched in the -dream canon afaic
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago)
You're talking like the new one doesn't contain Abyss and both halves of Sex Intelligent. It's pretty overwrought in its own right.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 August 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago)
those are, like, the best songs on it
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:37 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah not making a value judgement, just pointing out it seeems to be a weird contrast to make.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:38 (fourteen years ago)
I agree.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago)
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:37 AM (3 hours ago)
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/double_take.gif
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
i kinda agree with revabyss is probably my second fave on the album
― 8o---e*.\\\||///.*ə---o8 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
abyss is aight but it feels like a drag to me sometimes. to each his own but i'd think finding 'abyss' to be among the best is missing out on what dream's best at
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
^ this. abyss is great, but a little heavy. still, one of the best things about this record is that it's so hard to pull out a best track, or even a best few. there's like 6 or 7 that regularly trade top ranking.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
maybe not abyss but the sex intelligents and yamaha are the best songs on this
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but what abt f.i.l.a. & turnt out? and i really love the title track and panties to the side, though maybe i'm alone in that. even florida university's pretty damn great.
― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
"FILA" > "Sex Intelligent" + remix > "Yamaha" > "Nikki" > "Abyss" is such an awesome ~20 minutes of music.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really like abyss at all. but sex intelligents are some of the best music ever. this might be an *obvious* thing to say but just, like, ending a song with 'she want me to-
REEEEEEMIIIIIX
THIS
DOOOOOOOPE SHIIIIIT
has made me laugh and smile so many times. an epic-in-two-parts, weirdly soulful & serious song about how my sex intelligence makes all these other niggas irrelevant. i relate to this way more than, like, love vs money pt 1 & 2 or anything. well maybe relate is the wrong word, but i find this a lot cooler than some cliches about how love and money are sometimes conflicting interests. not that those songs aren't great, but i love this goof ball dramatization of stupid shit like this. i listen to this album while eating breakfast most mornings and often have to leave right after these songs, and i'm always in such a good mood when i do
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
i still haven't heard this album btw
― plax (ico), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
Panties to the Side has stopped me from listening to this all the way though. stupid, I know, but FILA>Abyss run mentioned above is pretty epic and to thud like that just kills it for me.
― heterosexist matrix of desire (Gukbe), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
^^^
At any rate I think we can agree that almost all of the best parts of Love King are overwrought one way or another. "Turnt Out" is probably the only exception IMO.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
^^ esp sucks because Turnt Out is so fucking amazing but 50% of the time i've turned it ten seconds in to PTTS.
― the dialectic of specs (c sharp major), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
uh, xpost
yall crazy
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
"panties to the side" isn't great but yall are acting like dream stuck a song from "metal machine music" in the middle of the album
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
you own Metal Machine Music?
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
It would surprise me.
hell no
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
Love how this thread circles back to what we can never agree on.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
well i said it was stupid xposts to jordan
― heterosexist matrix of desire (Gukbe), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
wait YOU like MMM?
― plax (ico), Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
reasons "FILA" is a classic song:
1) that self-sample. those horns are too beautiful to be in just one song, even just one terry song2) the way he lets the hook ~breathe~ (also recalling "rockin that shit"), then hits us with that huge rush "girl you got me droppin stacks on ya..." - works to perfect effect3) the way the horns drop out after the first hook creates this killer feeling of being whisked away after floating in zero-g for thirty seconds or so, love how he doesn't fuck around and just gets right back into it4) the "ima make you fall in love agaiiiiiii-yaaaaaaa~~iii~~nnn" in the background of the second chorus5) this has gotta be his best solo production job, right? i was shocked when i first learned it wasn't LOS - those bouncy keys straight outta "shawty is da shit" or "9 to 5" or "pretty body" or "mr yeah", the horns, the drum pattern - dude has definitely been taking notes
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 August 2010 05:27 (fourteen years ago)
lol at everybody completely getting on my ass lately about v minor quibbles of taste
― ballerrr (The Reverend), Friday, 6 August 2010 09:45 (fourteen years ago)
Abyss is terrific but it's total GOTH. You could totally get away with a It's actually the perfect ending to that trio of songs which starts in joyous Prince homage and ends up sounding like one of those sad, broken-sounding 90s Jacko ballads.
― Matt DC, Friday, 6 August 2010 11:28 (fourteen years ago)
whoa wait dream produced fila by himself?
i still love all this really hard, except for abyss, which is really a slog. zero wit.
― Jacques_Lamure, Friday, 6 August 2010 13:57 (fourteen years ago)
reasons "FILA" is a classic song
Couldn't agree more. Our urban station started playing this shortly after it leaked, so I heard it for the first time mid-song on the radio, and within seconds of just hearing the beat and T.I.'s verse (it was the early version with T.I., which did make for a better single) I knew that it was a Dream song. It was so much fuller and prettier than anything else the station had been playing.
If nothing else, it's probably the most unobjectionable song on the album; a song that even people who dismiss The-Dream for his cockiness/arrogance can get behind. He's rarely been more likable or sympathetic than he is on this one.
― Evan R, Friday, 6 August 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
finally got this. LOVE it. Chris Brown should pretty much retire at this point, cuz The-Dream does this sound perfectly without a lisp.
― plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Monday, 9 August 2010 14:04 (fourteen years ago)
and also doesn't read from the Book of Ike
― plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Monday, 9 August 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
still luv february love
this album is kinda hard to listen to in pieces. i mean, i either have to start it at fila and listen to at least the sex intelligents or start at yamaha and listen through abyss. the title track and february love are really the only self-contained songs i come back to
― Dad Can Dance (LOLK), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
6) "and i'll make sure you'll always be in demand" omg the delivery of this line breaks my heart for some reason
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Thursday, 12 August 2010 07:46 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder if it breaks cassie's heart, too
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Thursday, 12 August 2010 07:47 (fourteen years ago)
this album is so amazing...sex intelligents are obv incredible, make up bag is good every time, but it's just a great record, I listen to it every day and have done for weeks.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 13 August 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
mane, i just accidentally had this on SHUFFLE in itunes and love king skipped right to sex intelligent remix. V. JARRING.
― Jacques_Lamure, Saturday, 21 August 2010 00:56 (fourteen years ago)
Are we ready for the poll of this or waht
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 August 2010 01:07 (fourteen years ago)
First, this one:
Best Prominent Song Written/Produced for Someone Else by Terius "The-Dream" Nash
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Saturday, 21 August 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
Z S looks like matt berninger if matt berninger were happy & had a great life instead of being sad and mopey all the time
― ? (dyao), Saturday, 21 August 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
X_X wrong thread
― johnny crunch, Friday, August 20, 2010 9:07 PM (Yesterday)
nah give it more time
― k3vin k., Saturday, 21 August 2010 05:08 (fourteen years ago)
okay so i have had absolutely zero luck playing this or anything the-dream related for any of my friends. it is like seriously the least popular thing i have ever tried to play for people (this side of edguy and/or thin lizzy's "dedication"). they won't even let it go through a single song, and then complain about it for a long time, r their de, s their dh.
things that were okay to play last night: flower travellin' band, nachtmystium, spank rock (ffs), white stripes, big boi, that cee-lo song, some other white stripes, getachew mekuria & the ex, the oh sees, pussy galore, prince, e-40, blue oyster cult, funerot, cheap trick, shangaan electro, black breath (runaway hit of the evening), iron maiden, moondog, albert ayler, pharoah sanders
things that were not okay to play: anything by the-dream.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 August 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
bruno mars is the new the-dream
― / (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 29 August 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
haha
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 29 August 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
what were your friends' gripes like, contenderizer? i kind of want to hear that someone somewhere actually has a problem w/ the guy's voice since i'm continually amazed that people never seem to.
― some dude, Sunday, 29 August 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
level of discussion was not particularly elevated at that point. it was like, me: "this is awesome." them: "no, this is bullshit." "no really." "no. really."
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 August 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
if i had to guess id say it prob had more to do w/ it being 'modern R&B' than anything to do w/ dudes voice
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Sunday, 29 August 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
― max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 August 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
uh huh
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Sunday, 29 August 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
i tried to play it for a friend this weekend and his first thought was 'why are there so many effects on his voice?'
― diamonddave85, Sunday, 29 August 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
did u tell him "b/c fuck u?"
― lunch card dudes get swiped out, totally (m bison), Sunday, 29 August 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
just had a talk w the most vocal hater of the-dream. his main beef is that it is generic and "has no soul", "sounds like presets", etc. objected even to it being called r&b. which sort of means, yeah, deej otm.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 August 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
interesting opinions
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 29 August 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
I had a friend at work that I gave CDs to listen to 1-2 x per week, for a couple years. He always listened to everything straight through, front to back. The only two CDs he's immediately given back to me: Merzbow's 2-CD Frog collection ("What the hell is that?!!?!" after like 20 seconds), and The-Dream's Love Vs Money ("Get that Usher wannabe shit outta my headphones, dude fuck that" -- after maybe 5 seconds of "Girl I'm in love with ya baaab-yy & I want u 2 know...").
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 30 August 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
great people
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 August 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
this is why i mostly stopped sharing music once i was like 17
― call all destroyer, Monday, 30 August 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
The-Dream: As Difficult as Merzbow
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Monday, 30 August 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
i got my friend rose to like this record by singing R TO THE O, S TO THE E etc. maybe if your friends names fit the mould?
― schlump, Monday, 30 August 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
one friend of mine went INSANE over yamaha, listening to it non stop for about 2 weeks so its kinda been hit or miss w my friends
― diamonddave85, Monday, 30 August 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
folks in question ARE great people, just a question of taste & comfort zones, i guess. most surprised by the universal love of black breath, tbh.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Monday, 30 August 2010 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
i have a friend of who kind of likes the-dream but LOVES the song "Cry" and will listen to it on repeat for an hour, which was weird cus i hadnt even heard it before she brought it up to me
― /\/K/\/\, Monday, 30 August 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^^^ The complaint I dealt with. I've put a song on bros' mix CD's since 2008, and that's the complaint I hear most -- "no edge"; "I can't believe you like such squishy production," etc
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 August 2010 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
if today's revive has taught us anything, it's that people are the worst and we shouldn't care about what they say
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 August 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
it's grown on my girl, but maybe that's just in response to me playing it all the damn time.
― this isn't STRAWBERRY 0_o it's RAWBERRY (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 August 2010 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
"modern r&b" gripe is otm. have a good bro who loves everything i play rap/dance/pop and h8s when i jam tons of dream in the mix of songs
― johnny crunch, Monday, 30 August 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago)
i still feel like i can convert him 2 it
i sent a link to the youtube of 'florida university' to one of my best friends and it turned out that just from the name he had always assumed the-dream was a post-rock band.
― czyczyczyczy comparative (c sharp major), Monday, 30 August 2010 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
ha
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Monday, 30 August 2010 11:01 (fourteen years ago)
i WANT to like this album
but i just kind of admire it
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
i like this album but just kind of admire not love it. definitely his weakest.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
only person i have tried to convert to the-dream is one of my sisters and she is obsessed now. ime girls understand about the-dream, boys are kind of haters; make of that waht u will.
i like love king a lot, like better than love v money, but i will admit it feels like it is not really about anything except for "abyss." it is kind of an album i forget about when i am not listening to it. but i am listening to it a lot tbh.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
as far as being bugged by his voice, i never am except for on the 2 "love v money" tracks, where i think those are objectively great songs and i kind of wish he'd gotten Usher or someone to sing them. he sounds great on "turnt out" i have to say; i was impressed!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, "turnt out" might be his best vocal
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
all i really want from the-dream is songs that sound like they're happening in a bouncy castle and love king really delivers on that score
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 5:39 PM (46 minutes ago)
ha i'm the opposite - i can't help but like the album even if i know it's a bit lazy and easily his weakest work
― max skim (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
^
― this isn't STRAWBERRY 0_o it's RAWBERRY (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
i dont think its really his weakest outright
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
i does
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
yeah its his weakest.. only his first is still his best, the best songs off of lvm and this one would be better than l/h, but as is this album is kind of forgettable
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know if material is just weaker or i've tired of dream in general...
you all like lvm too much is the problem.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
sex intelligent/remix is classic tho obv
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
Still think this is his best after LvH.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
well i like lvm a lot more than you but this one is just so much more uneven for me - there's the lazy hookwriting ("nikki pt. 2", even "love king" to an extent), failed epics ("abyss", "february love"), lameish retread ("make up bag") and the ill-placed clunker ("panties to the side") etc that make it hard to listen through the whole thing, even if the high points are stunning
xxxxxp
xp lol alfred are you talking about the first one? i think this is the second time you've called something "LvH" and it's confused me both times
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i don't even dislike most of those songs i cited but, to me, they're just egregiously flawed in a way his previous work wasn't
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
really can't stress how much the "keep showin up keep showin up..." chorus to 'nikki pt 2' bugs me, i think the song would be 100x better if he switched it up the second time around. the song starts out great tho
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:28 (fourteen years ago)
failed epics?? lazy hookwriting?? what are you talking about k3v
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
cant follow the logic between 'failed' & 'i don't dislike most of those songs'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
love v money has some amazing songs on it but like half of that record is kinda unlistenable
we know that when you say that you just mean "walkin on the moon"
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:32 (fourteen years ago)
really tho, it's pretty much impossible to dig this album and then call half of LVM 'kinda unlistenable' -- that just doesn't scan in the slightest, sorry
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 11:29 PM (3 minutes ago)
well i just made a post explaining my problem w/ "nikki pt 2" re: lazy hookwriting. and the hook to "love king" is terry spelling the title of the song.
and ymmv but "feb love" & "abyss" are both kinda lame to me
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think that the 'epics' are 'failed' at all, they're just not "fancy"/"right side of my brain"
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
Love King vs. Money
1.Rockin' That Shit2. F.I.L.A.3. Sex Intelligent4. Sex Intelligent Remix5. Put It Down6. Kelly's 12 Play7. Yamaha8. Right Side of My Brain9. Sweat It Out10. Make Up Bag11. Fancy12. Abyss13. Love King14. Mr. Yeah15. Turnt Out
something like this
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no i mean
3. Walkin’ On The Moon featuring Kanye West4. My Love featuring Mariah Carey5. Put It Down6. Sweat It Out7. Take U Home 2 My Mama
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
i dont understand how anyone can think 'abyss' is lame -- its like the best track on the record
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
fuck outta here with everything you're saying
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
CRY TIL YOU DROWN YOUR FACE
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
idk i like that lyric
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
bit awkward tho
yeah um if youre worried about how lyrics are scanning ... wtf are you listening to the dream for again??
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
i MIGHT give a pass to sweat it out. the rest of those tho are on par w/ the worst love king tracks
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
& like i think even the most ardent LVM supporters will admit that "walkin on the moon" & "my love" aren't THE GREATEST SONGS EVER, but you're really gonna go to bat for "make up bag" & "panties to the side" deej?
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
jordan if yr still riding for that mariah track i just dont know
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
"put it down" is one of his best sex jams! i agree about the others though
I also don't like the love vs. money title track
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
and "make up bag" is the shit actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr68j1p-RrU
kinda ok w/ panties to the side now ::sheepish::
i actually always thought that "take u home 2 my mama" was a bit out of place & not the most sonically pleasing (no kl0mo) song on the album, but it's still pretty hilarious & fun -- there's a levity that it adds -- it's sort of like the proto-"turnt out" where like halfway thru the first time you hear it you're like "does this really work...?" and by the end you think it's a banger
imo
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago)
lmao 'no kl0mo'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:46 (fourteen years ago)
the coda on 'mama' is kinda cool ill give it that. but too bad abt the rest
idk man i think "my love" is a nice song -- i'm not out here banging "touch my body" but i'll still go to bat for it
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:46 (fourteen years ago)
wait 'put it down' is the one i like not 'sweat it out.' brainwasher otm
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:47 (fourteen years ago)
'touch my body' is way better! & funnier
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
i'm interested to see how this album plays out on the ilx EOY poll vs p&j
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
i love how the video for 'touch my body' completely rewrites the meaning of the song too haha
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:49 (fourteen years ago)
i like both songs a lot -- for me they're like two joints that i was crazy about for a few weeks but after a while they just seem sorta insignificant to me & i'm not even talking about like 'impact' but they're just sort of these bouncy, frothy songs that don't age totally well but i still thing they're both great
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:49 (fourteen years ago)
Has Terius written anything of note this year (not including LK obviously)? I feel like he's been almost non-existent, unless I'm forgetting some obvious stuff...
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
ride
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
also "baby"
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:53 (fourteen years ago)
oh yeah duh "Ride" and "Speechless," but still he's been really quiet this yeear especially considering how prolific he's been these past few years.
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
yeah they must really be buckling down on the ciara album or maybe he's camped up with B or something
or maybe he went on vacation who knows
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 03:55 (fourteen years ago)
I'm with Deej in thinking the second half of LvM is way stronger than the first but no way could i ever like "Love King", "Make Up Bag" and "Panties To The Side" more than "My Love", "Put It Down", "Sweat It Out" and "Take You Home 2 My Mama" (or even "Walking On The Moon" TBH, although "Make Up Bag" matches that I think).
I really like the inconsequentiality of "My Love".
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago)
and lest we forget "rockin that shit" is the best song on the album!
― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago)
naaah 'fancy' is
― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
sex intelligent rmx rap verse is so good
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:54 (fourteen years ago)
"abyss" actually is pretty epic
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:07 (fourteen years ago)
"panties to the side" sounds great too
whole album sounds much better than when i listened to it last
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
Except for "money greener than this forest". :)
― big jeans (lou), Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:11 (fourteen years ago)
love all those clicking noises on "february love"
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:20 (fourteen years ago)
"veteran" is #1 banger
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago)
smh @ all terius revives devolving into "no, i dislike these songs more than you dislike those songs"
the only actively bad song mentioned lately is "panties to the side", and i guess "love king" is 5/10 mediocre, but every other song on LvM and LK is actively good, like actively enjoyable to listen to in every way
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:11 (fourteen years ago)
way too many people are failing to understand this
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:20 (fourteen years ago)
i like how buzzy & staticky the synth is
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:25 (fourteen years ago)
otm (not anywhere near his best obv, but not bad at all)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:25 (fourteen years ago)
It sounds fine, but as a song it's a fail IMO. And I like "Ditch That" a lot.
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:23 (fourteen years ago)
"love king" is great lex wtf are you talking about
― czyczyczyczy comparative (c sharp major), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:35 (fourteen years ago)
maybe i just love list songs, idk
or you know 'a girl up in target, a girl outta college / sorry ladies but it ain't nothing like a smart bitch' kind of rules everything about me
great fucking line, and lex out of his mind, obv
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:36 (fourteen years ago)
Nah "Love King" is weak, just makes me want to listen to "Shawty Is Da Shit".
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago)
i don't mind "love king", and if it had actually become the ubiquitous radio jam it was pitching to be i think i'd end up having a lot of affection for it, but in practice i've heard it as much as i ever want to and pretty much always start the album at "f.i.l.a." now.
tim otm about "panties to the side", it's like this era's "ditch that"/"let me see the booty" except comes off like a heavy-handed attempt to do "terius goofing off", rather than an actual tossed-off-in-five-minutes goof-off that works because of its whateverness (and lighter, better beats - DT and LMSTB are both pretty generic w/r/t wider r&b/electro trends, they're quite un-terius really)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:43 (fourteen years ago)
as an album LK just feels totally inconsequential to me, like TECHNICALLY it's interesting but there's not enough soul/emotion to make me care. which is the opposite (sort of) of how I felt about LvM which still blows my mind.
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago)
also: LK = not having enough of a laugh
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/TMMZ2YBQMoI/AAAAAAAAFYw/aDixNjAJWvE/s400/13.jpg
― dayo, Monday, 25 October 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
I stoned listened to this on the woody ride home today in the NC mountains. It fucking ruled I'll tell you that right now.
(except panties to the side)
― Captain Ahab, Monday, 25 October 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago)
so say we all
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
fart http://stereogum.com/591901/jj-cover-the-dream/video/
― lube fiasco (diamonddave85), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
this album is soooo good
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 3 December 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
jj have (has?) good taste, but the problem is that they (she?) cover songs that they can't really improve on
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
wrong thread
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 4 December 2010 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
breathy indie covers of hiphop and r&b songs will never not suck
― .\ /. (dayo), Saturday, 4 December 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago)
otm, indie covers of r&b joints only work if they put their balls on display
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:05 (fourteen years ago)
― .\ /. (dayo), Friday, December 3, 2010 9:40 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:30 (fourteen years ago)
not as good as the original, which is my fav the-dream song, but it's not a bad cover.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 4 December 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
jj should change their name to "shrug"
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Saturday, 4 December 2010 07:52 (fourteen years ago)
^^^SLAM DUNK
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Saturday, 4 December 2010 07:53 (fourteen years ago)
you just big hoos the otm threaded yourself. nagl.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 December 2010 11:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/daggerlee/5e3da4e7.jpg
― steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 07:25 (fourteen years ago)
shit I just let jjjusten know what letters I have. lol. hope he never clicks on this thread
― steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago)
aw skeet skeet
― The Reverend, Monday, 6 December 2010 07:44 (fourteen years ago)
http://i53.tinypic.com/1zd5950.jpg
― markers, Monday, 6 December 2010 07:46 (fourteen years ago)
i think that terius has had better suites musically than "yamaha" -> "nikki pt. 2" -> "abyss" (as great as it is) but every time i'm still hit by how emotionally resonant the arc of unfettered bliss -> pining for ex -> actually you know what fuck you is
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:55 (fourteen years ago)
"pining for ex" is probably not the best characterization of that song obv, but you get the idea
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:56 (fourteen years ago)
http://mediatakeout.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/1294235986dream_hs_pic1.jpg
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
skinny!
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 January 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
even when he used to rock fred perry he was fancy
― minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
or penguin
I had no idea this song had become such a standard...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJvcpUfJIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7aWdKxUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_BXOtE6LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhd5FE5eqPw
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
i think pretty much every chart hit has its own little constellation of youtube covers these days
― washa flocka brain (some dude), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
Damn. I was hoping The-Dream was the new Oasis.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
White, british, and annoying?
― those balls look like a butt (San Te), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
The go-to songbook for dudes wearing flipped-up baseball hats. But Al's totally right, there are innumerable acts vying for that honor now on YouTube.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
this ones good too
― minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YEAR
though i way have said the same thing up thread
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
oh, shit - i did! and not even THAT FAR up thread
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
i was not disappointed
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:35 (fourteen years ago)
well what were your expectations, lol
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
none! first terius i ever paid attention to. as such, great.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
this album is pretty forgettable honestly but there are some bangers
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
yeah agreed, a few of my favorite songs of his on here
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
fuck no this album is great almost start to finish
― those balls look like a butt (San Te), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
(xpost)
looking forward to LOVE AFFAIR on 6/7/2011
do we know if that is really happening?
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
hey, everybody's gotta come in somewhere. in retrospect love king might be a (small) step down in terms of front-to-back quality, but it's hardly as patchy or inconsequential as ILM's fan crew now seems to think. initial reception was overwhelmingly positive, iirc, and the album's got more good than bad tracks. still love "yamaha", "abyss", "sex intelligent", "F.I.L.A" & "turnt out". even dig the stuff everybody else seems to hate: "florida university" and "panties to the side", though less so.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i mean my reaction was and still is "positive", with reservations; dream is definitely one of my favorite artists of the past 4 years or so but to me this is still easily his weakest album. plenty of good songs and a few stunners ("fila", "yamaha", "turnt out") but lacks the vision and momentum that drew me into his first two. peeps like shipley always sort of warned about his shallow bag of tricks and laziness which i never saw eye to eye with, but i get that vibe from this album for sure. if he was a new artist or something i'd be excited but as someone who's followed his career i can't help but get the sense he's peaked, even if i still check for every new thing he does and even though he's still more than capable of writing mindblowing songs. nothing would please me more than another front-to-back terius-penned classic, make no mistake, but this ain't it
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
as someone who's followed his career i can't help but get the sense he's peaked, even if i still check for every new thing he does and even though he's still more than capable of writing mindblowing songs. nothing would please me more than another front-to-back terius-penned classic, make no mistake, but this ain't it
THIS.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 6 January 2011 06:44 (fourteen years ago)
shipley always sort of warned about his shallow bag of tricks and laziness which i never saw eye to eye with, but i get that vibe from this album for sure. if he was a new artist or something i'd be excited but as someone who's followed his career i can't help but get the sense he's peaked...
get where k3vin & Alex are coming from, but as a recent convert i hear this album differently. k3vin's comments suggest the jadedness that can accompany long-term fandom, especially when an artist treads water creatively. i get that. it's difficult to maintain excitement at the repeated deployment of a limited bag of tricks, even if it's a good (small) bag of tricks, cleverly deployed. while love king isn't notably worse than terius' previous efforts, imo, i admit that it doesn't add much to what's come before. thing is, so long as you haven't already grown accustomed to - or worse tired of - what he's doing, the old tricks still work damn well.
maybe i'm just saying that ignorance is bliss, i dunno. sometimes it helps to be able to approach a piece of music of art with fresh ears.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:06 (fourteen years ago)
"a piece of music of art"
sheeshe
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:16 (fourteen years ago)
i disagree that it's forgettable or patchy or whatever - maybe a small step down from its two predecessors but not a disappointment at all. what it adds to the terius discography, for me, is the sense that he's pushing his bag of tricks in terms of how pleasurable it can be - the best tracks on love king are pure ear candy in terms of their sheer sound (and kind of terius fan candy in terms of the appeal of the words he uses).
i think i'm one of the few terius stans here who actually prefers his ~epic sonicz~ to his radio jams, maybe that's why i love this album, but i'm pretty sure the absolutely astonishing "f.i.l.a." through to "abyss" section means i'll never be able to say this album is a disappointment. and i love "florida university" so much! f u f u to all who disagree.
in some ways i think "yamaha" being the standout here sums this album up - i actually can't defend how much i love it, because "objectively" it really is just a "little red corvette" rip with funny lyrics - but it FEELS SO GOOD when it's on - it really is that heroin hit tim was talking about re: diddy/dirty money.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 08:55 (fourteen years ago)
it ended up being my #2 album of the year, which is partly due to there being so few albums that really demanded the top spot, but also partly real talk in terms of just being honest about how much this album was like crack to me in 2010.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 08:57 (fourteen years ago)
It's as good as the first album, miles better than the second.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:18 (fourteen years ago)
I suspect the fact that I'm not disappointed by it is that I've never bought into the 'OMG VISIONARY' side of Terius standom at all. And I still have a nagging suspicion that maybe Tricky Stewart is the good one in the partnership.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:21 (fourteen years ago)
Incidentally Lex did you forget to vote for it in the Guardian poll? You might have propelled it into the top 10.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:23 (fourteen years ago)
it was my no 2!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:27 (fourteen years ago)
Oh yeah, I somehow failed to notice.
Played this more than anything else in 2010 though. Still feels like a #2 album rather than a #1, if only because it loses its way a bit after Abyss. Love Florida University though.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:29 (fourteen years ago)
And I still have a nagging suspicion that maybe Tricky Stewart is the good one in the partnership.
― Matt DC, Thursday, January 6, 2011 4:21 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think because tricky is behind all of dream's huge pop hits for other artists, his role gets overstated a bit as it pertains to terius' solo career
also if you think the first & third albums are the best, that would prob debunk your own theory seeing as tricky did only about half of love/hate & only one song on love king
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:33 (fourteen years ago)
well, the obvious commercial ones at the start feel like token singles and are subpar - "love king" and "make-up bag" - and obviously "panties to the side" is completely grim and needs to not exist. the only other track i don't care for is "turnt out" though, which everyone else in this thread seems to adore.
surely the out-there sonicz on "sex intelligent", even more self-conscious narrative, abandonment of any pretense of being a pop star make love king the MOST ~omg visionary~ of terius's solo albums?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:34 (fourteen years ago)
nah it's probably still love vs money
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:36 (fourteen years ago)
never rated his epics above his pop songs
well except for fancy
― dayo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:41 (fourteen years ago)
i would probably take the ~epic suites~ from each of the albums above anything else on them, i don't care if that's corny - i think those showcase his strengths best
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:43 (fourteen years ago)
is there an epic suite on love/hate?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:44 (fourteen years ago)
aside from the whole album
oh god i've just realized that we've yet to poll these three albums -- it's now a shadow that looms over any reasonable discussion of r&b music on ilm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:45 (fourteen years ago)
u know what to do
― dayo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:46 (fourteen years ago)
i refuse to pull the trigger
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:46 (fourteen years ago)
Didn't realise this, fair point!
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:48 (fourteen years ago)
Also why does everyone underrate Love King the song? There are no bad songs that feature the word 'girls' 352 times.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:49 (fourteen years ago)
fast car/nikki/she needs my love
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:53 (fourteen years ago)
fast car is one of the poppier songs on lh
― dayo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:54 (fourteen years ago)
well it's obv in a v different vein to the actual pop singles on that album - none of terius's ~epic suites~ are uncatchy or particularly esoteric
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:58 (fourteen years ago)
Matt you're being weirdly wrongheaded today.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 January 2011 11:08 (fourteen years ago)
In fairness I've conceded the Tricky point, it was off-the-cuff speculation really. Not going to u-turn on Diddy though.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 11:17 (fourteen years ago)
you're my ol' reliable though ;_;
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 January 2011 11:18 (fourteen years ago)
it's not a bad song per se, just a bit rote. if it had become an actual pop smash i'd probably look at it with a lot more affection (ie it would have justified its existence, in a way).
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 11:30 (fourteen years ago)
I think it works both as a song and as an awesome extended intro. All three Dream albums open with a flourish and it works in that capacity in a way nothing else on the album would, except maybe FILA.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 11:34 (fourteen years ago)
Put the album away for a couple months, came back to it to listen to a few songs, and it took over my car stereo through November and December. I'd try to play new things and would get impatient two minutes, so it would go back into the player. Tried to go back to the first two albums with the same result. I had to remove the disc from my car out of fear of wearing it out. Now it's easily my favorite of the three.
― Andy K, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)
― Matt DC, Thursday, January 6, 2011 5:21 AM (4 hours ago)
just speaking personally, and i love tricky and all, but i tend to prefer dream's songs with Los to those with tricky
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
kinda shocked to hear this is andy k's favorite dream! wasn't love/hate like your second favorite record of the 2000s?
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
― Matt DC
^^^^^^
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/sicklesdawg/33cqarojpg.gif
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)
but the second is better than the first!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
okay, glad to hear that ILM consensus hasn't turned against this album, if only because i appreciate the company. most days it's my favorite of the three, though it definitely has weak spots. i guess i appreciate the odd peaks and valleys relative to the consistency of the earlier records.
― carles marx (contenderizer), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
I don't like the second very much at all really, with the exception of Fancy, Mr Yeah and the first track. Terius's persona is more offputting on it for reasons I can't quite put my finger on.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
― Andy K, Thursday, January 6, 2011 8:35 AM (1 hour ago)
i love this feeling though and have had similar experiences with other albums recently
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
My no. 1 album of 2008, no. 3 album of 2009 and no. 5 album of 2010. Drop-off, sure, but for anyone else it would seem remarkably consistent.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
wasn't love/hate like your second favorite record of the 2000s?
Yeah
― Andy K, Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:11 (fourteen years ago)
i listened to this album today & i kinda really love "take care of me" -- it seems to be terius' overblown, flawed EPIC TRACK that somehow just works. similar to the roles fulfilled by kanye's "runaway" and oh, i don't know, taylor swift's "you're not sorry" -- all flawed standouts imo
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Saturday, 8 January 2011 08:00 (fourteen years ago)
Crucially, he only includes one and doesn't make a whole damn album's worth.
― i don't even vacuum, i'm roomba pimpin (The Reverend), Saturday, 8 January 2011 08:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/features/guest-lists/7891-guest-list-best-of-2010/
One other R&B album listed (once) by the seven people who list Love King.
― Andy K, Monday, 10 January 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm i guess it really was the only good R&B album of 2010, huh?
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
We don't need to do this.
― Matt DC, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
owen P has pretty good taste.We drove to The Home of Beef and got drunk on the beachGot a motel and built a compost toilet out of sheetsI finally found you, my missing goblin fingernail, I'm Dan Quayle.Let's go all the way tonightNo Thom's Lazy Eye, just taco pantsWe can headbang until we dieYou and IWe'll be Goonies foreverYou make me feel like I'm pummeling a teenage dreamThe way you tickle me with your urine stream, I can't sleepLet's have fun and don't ever mong fish, don't ever mong fish
― predeep natsvitika (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
lol matt i was totally j/k
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
Not trying to stir up anything -- just found it interesting.
(I think I had one indie rock album in my top 20.)
― Andy K, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
I rented this thing out from the library last week and the middle-aged librarian lady was like "The LoOoOove King - who's THAT?"
― kkvgz, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
the lolziest thing is how often dudes quoted are all "i liked his last album better, but" as if theyve been down when he was underground or something.
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
yet never mention the debut
so what you're saying is that you're snooty "I was down from before" poses are better because they're slightly more accurate
― some dude, Monday, 10 January 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)
you're=your
― some dude, Monday, January 10, 2011 11:46 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well i listen to more than one R&B record per year so its a lil less like fronting for me yes
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
but thnx for keeping me on my toes i guess lol
glad to see deej has emerged from his groundhog's burrow to tell us there will be at least 6 more weeks of terius fans who luv'd him back in the day (but not really)
and then back underground he goes!!
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
i remember checking the first album out cuz i saw it on julianne shepherds pazz + jop for 2007... i think that hers was the only ballot it was on?
― just sayin, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
I would've put it on my jackin pop but I couldn't even find a leak of it until like Jan of 08. I settled for listing him under "artists"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
only ones were her and lol fennessey xpost
― some dude, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
ok cool jordan i guess you get bragging rights as well
― just sayin, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i dunno how those guys even got to hear it before '08
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
yeah so the-dream's album IS great
― deej, Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:22 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you guys dont lie
they all hated it at first for retarded reasons.
as usual i am rite.
― The Brainwasher, Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:27 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― deej, Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:31 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
1st time i heard it wasnt til feb. credit to bwasher!!
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i'm sure def jam was out playing it for mag ppl -- j shep was up on e red before anyone too -- i remember her posting one of the first leaks & talking about someone at def jam playing her the sampler and how amazing it was
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
An R&B-loving pal (and PFM writer) posted it in January '08. I dug Love Hate and the first Hercules & Love Affair joints at the same time. Spring '08 was a good time.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
if yr talking about rich yeah he put a mix out talking about how 4-4 R&B was back & included 'livin a lie' -- that was the first dream i heard prob?
lol @ 'where were you when...' rtc's gonna hate this thread
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
again
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:41 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Cause it came out in Dec. 07?
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
The 11th, to be precise.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
it was "ditch that..." - that was the first dream track that convinced me to check out the album (i'd actually avoided love/hate initially because i hated - still hate - "falsetto")
i tend to assume brainwasher is always the first, with these things
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
or maybe rich included both "ditch that..." and "livin' a lie" - the first made more of an impression though. it was slightly sped up for bpm purposes, and i thought it was some amazing new missyesque dyke rapper ;_;
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:33 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but its not like he was a hyped or particularly known artistic quantity at that point -- 'oh a guy who writes pop hits released an album' -- how many of u were anticipating the bruno mars record
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
clearly they heard a promo!
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
anyway deej is right
think it leaked in oct 07 - perhaps earlier even - and was released that year. people were generally aware of him as a writer by that point (mainly through nivea trivia), and the single was out in the summer, but the fader always seemed to have the direct industry line wrt getting the leaks yeah.
this is going to sound pretty snooty and back-covering but, difficult though it is to fathom in hindsight, terius was a strange enough fellow at first blush to deeply complicate reception of the album's merits. (respect as always to steady al for keeping the candle burning). boosting him from the get-go just seemed mindless more than anything, and you only have to look at the fader's batting average for everything they dole out lashings of pr dribble for as evidence.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
I'd been hearing "Shawty is da Shit" on the radio for a couple months at that point and knew it was coming out. It's not unbelievable that other people were checking for it.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
Deej's mind is blown that someone was up on something he likes before he was!
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
i liked the first dream album, i read the christgau thing abt it which is weird bc i dont read christgau and i dled it bc it said he was the guy who wrote umbrella so i said i would check it out, that would have been february.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
Dunno why in retrospect I got so excited, since I was the guy on earth least enthused about "Umbrella."
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
your constant outlier stanning for 'living a lie' is one of my enduring fave soto-isms.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
ha otm
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
youre way overstating what i was saying -- im not surprised ppl knew about it, i thought 'shawty is the shit' was a cool single at the time, im just explaining why i wasnt jumping at the chance to check out the latest record by the-dream.
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
― r|t|c, Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:07 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol yeah this was mystifying to me haha
forgot about shawty is the shit -- obv heard that prior to 'livin a lie'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
It may have something to do with driving home from a then-promising first date and a couple of beers and hearing it for the first time on the iPod. I'm still chasing after another Rihanna vocal I love as much.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
absolutely not saying it wasn't worthy of stanning for, just to be clear. (got it on now and it's still awesome.)
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
what were talking about is degrees of filters here ... obv one could be an R&B fan & not have caught the-dream right when he dropped (i was going thru a period of listening to more 'grown folks' stuff at the time iirc -- as mentioned in rolling R&B thread i quoted from) -- i was only dissing 'i was down when it was underground' stances from ppl who got on the buzz so late that they missed his debut which iirc was buzzed about pretty heavily by the time of the 2nd one at least amongst R&B stans.
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
I know -- it's all good.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
i was only dissing 'i was down when it was underground' stances from ppl who got on the buzz so late that they missed his debut which iirc was buzzed about pretty heavily by the time of the 2nd one at least amongst R&B stans.
Good thing you're out there fighting the good fight.
― big jeans (lou), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
idk i feel like hes got a weird niche in that hes bigger in terms of crossoverability, that is, i wouldnt really call love king the biggest rnb album of the year, but i can see why in terms of indie crit it would be framed as a hip ref. point that the indie world has tuned into (cf. android soundzzz)
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
― big jeans (lou), Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:39 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if i wasnt r-m-d-e at ppl for sleeping on rap & R&B as genres, or dismissing those genres out of hand, i wouldnt be writing about music most likely
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:50 (fourteen years ago)
that is, indie ppl make a bigger deal out of it but think its a "smaller" album than it is.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
Fair enough, deej- hadn't thought of it like that. Just seemed like hair-splitting in this case.
― big jeans (lou), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
The tardiness of people jumping on The-Dream seems less to do with timing and more to do with the inevitable delay in a narrative emerging that warrants checking him out (among people who don't follow R&B). Here is a dude who has never had a really massive hit in his own right. But there'd be people out there who love, say, "Bottoms Up" but would never think to check Trey's most recent album, not because of some kneejerk anti-mmts thing but because just checking out R&B albums is not something they do as a general rule.
Love/Hate certainly has the seeds of the whole auteurist-vision-thing (for one, "Fast Car" through "Falsetto" is actually one of his big emotionally overwrought song suites, though it's not as obvious as for side 2 of LvM) but in most senses what is lovable about it is lovable in R&B terms, the real strength of it is the straight songwriting killer-ness of "Purple Kisses" and "Playing In Her Hair" and "Love Songs" etc.
If you're framing him as this auteur with an interior soundworld then it probably makes sense to think of LvM as his first big "statement" as Love King as the slight-fall-off successor. Totally wrong-headed of course, but still.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
i like fast car/nikki/she needs my love way better than playin' in her hair/purple kisses/luv songs
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:44 (fourteen years ago)
But you probably still would have listened to the first album even in the absence of the former.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
it's obvious more people picked up on LvM though (and LK has, i think, received even more attention, if not praise), it's just a snowball effect - when you see people anticipating an album release that's outside your purview (as we were for LvM) i think most dilettantes' ears prick up. whereas even r&b fans didn't immediately cotton on to L/H let alone develop a coherent selling point about it.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
xp well yeah, i did (because of "ditch that..." of all songs!), i just kind of have to go against what people seem to assume is the consensus here, that the straightforward r&b slow jams on the first album are what terius does best, cuz i totally disagree
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:48 (fourteen years ago)
You don't think the narrative around The-Dream is distinct from that around other R&B?
x-post - I probably agree actually (though "Purple Kisses" is my favourite), my point was that what makes Love/Hate a strong album is that it maintains its intensity outside the suites, whereas the two follow-ups lean on the suites more strongly.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
what makes Love/Hate a strong album is that it maintains its intensity outside the suites, whereas the two follow-ups lean on the suites more strongly.
yeah i'd agree, though the thing with L/H is that it maintains a pretty different kind of intensity outside the suite - the less-intense bits of LvM cohere with the suite a lot better than do the various strong sections of L/H
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)
tbh i nver really thought of l/h havine "suites" until now
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
Roped in by Love/Hate (to hell with it) -- "Falsetto," even (in an amused Slow Jams/Pony/Soul Glo way). Favorite track might be the Rihanna feature, but Purple Kisses, Playin' in Her Hair, and are all in the running. If he makes a second album he might ruin it.― Andy K, Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:36 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― Andy K, Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:36 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark
LOOOOOOOL
Love/Hate came out the week I went on Xmas vacation. It landed on my desk just before I left, and I thought it could wait.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
[quote] The-Dream's album is INCREDIBLE. Like, "WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL OF MY LIFE?!?" incredible. Everyone should go buy it.
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:16 PM (3 years ago)[/quote]
I WIN GUYS lol no but I remember anticipating the album after hearing "Falsetto," and I think it leaked around mid-November or so but I waited until I bought it to listen to it because I was SO EXCITED lol. Still don't get why you all don't like "Falsetto," I suppose it is sort of trad by Terius' standards but still, it's a great song and it was kind of mindblowing at the time (to me anyway), still prob my fave single of his
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
OK fine you guys wanna play like this I'll start posting excerpts from the My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy thread.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 00:16 (fourteen years ago)
I remember a bunch of us discussing him before the album dropped though, like there was definitely a bit of hype for the album - granted it was 'the guy that wrote umbrella has an album coming out' curiousty moreso than the hype machine around LvM, but still there was some hype.
― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 00:17 (fourteen years ago)
i love falsetto dude one of my favorites! youre confusing al with everybody lol
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
haha yeah falsetto is amazing...think lex hates it too tho but p sure it's just them
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
think I wrote a review of love/hate for my college mag in 07/08. so I was in at the ground floor too, although I wasn't posting then. TAKE THAT
― dayo, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
point is we were all down w/ the-dream before corny ass indie rock dudes interviewed by pfork
except for contenderizer
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
AWW SHIITT WHO LOVES LOVE/HATE UP IN THIS
― San Te, Saturday, December 12, 1987 5:16 PM (A long assed time ago)
― mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah there was definitely ilm discussion of him when "shawty" was the only song he had out (xpost)
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
i miss the old dream thread a ill bit *twinkle in my eye*
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:42 (fourteen years ago)
+1 for "falsetto" here, shit's incredible
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)
+anotha
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
i enjoyed the dream more back when he was a single spermatozoa trapped in his pappy's testicles, that's how old school i am
― go straddle a narwhal you chlorinated gene pool (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 05:05 (fourteen years ago)
aaaaand thread
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
― archer's goon (tpp), Saturday, 27 March 2010 15:00 (9 months ago) Bookmark
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
srsly fiending
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
new ciara had some classic terius joints
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
imminent kim kardashian!!!
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:22 (fourteen years ago)
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Saturday, 15 January 2011 10:19 (fourteen years ago)
immanent kim kardashian <3
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Saturday, 15 January 2011 10:30 (fourteen years ago)
Is the switch to "immanent" intentional? I can't parse it.
― Tim F, Saturday, 15 January 2011 11:05 (fourteen years ago)
sorry for this interruption. just wanted to share a dream story.
I was so captured by the lushness of the tune that, until just the other day, the the conceptual connection between the lines "She rockin' that shit like.... there's nothing i can say, she's just rocking that shit like..." eluded me completely. Like I guess my mind was filling in the blanks the whole time like a blind spot. While I was cruising, it suddenly came to me, "OOOOHHHHHHH so he can't even complete the simile because of her perfect rockin of shit."
I've been singing along to those lyrics for so long, joyfully, and without understanding a gottdamm thing.
****continue thread****
ps i really love the dream.
― Captain Ahab, Saturday, 15 January 2011 15:59 (fourteen years ago)
love/hate now on order.......thanks guys FOR MAKING IT SOUND IRRESISTIBLE
― strawberry shartcake (San Te), Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
love/hate is prob my least favorite of his three albums :(
if the other two are A+, it's still an A, though
― ilxor, Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)
awesome thanks for the validation I needed
― strawberry shartcake (San Te), Saturday, 15 January 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)
― ilxor, Saturday, 15 January 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
it's lots of ppl's favorite naturally
yup
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 15 January 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
after a few spins to Love/Hate, GAWDAMN.
much of it sounds like Terius has recreated the sound Prince had on "I Would Die 4 U" on much of this album (that's a good thing). sonically and songwriting this is making me do backflips. wish I'd heard this when it came out.
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Sunday, 16 January 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
Love/Hate definitely has something the others lack, maybe the songs are better written (slower ones particularly), maybe there's just a bite in the production that isn't there in the other two. Thing about his old cloud-of-synths sound is that it can sometimes feel a bit lightweight in the middle, even when he's trying to sound epic.
I don't think I'd ever noticed this until I was listening to the Ciara album and heard Wants For Dinner, and there's just depth in the sound on that song, and on the first Dream album, that isn't there elsewhere.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 16 January 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
It's on the ER album, too.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:29 (fourteen years ago)
I don't necessarily think of it as more depth but as more color
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:30 (fourteen years ago)
picked up Love vs Money today.....enjoying the orgasm of sound atm
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:32 (fourteen years ago)
also back to Love/Hate, Mama=;_;
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:33 (fourteen years ago)
geezus Love vs Money is fucking big and epic. <3 this
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
man i'd kill to hear those 2 for the first time...where the fuck you been man
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 17 January 2011 04:53 (fourteen years ago)
i was the innocentbystandershe had etiquetteshe had good manners
― From the novel "Spinster Dinner" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 January 2011 05:38 (fourteen years ago)
Instead of loving you i was making it rain!
― Captain Ahab, Monday, 17 January 2011 08:31 (fourteen years ago)
i's was very late to the game, i'll admit it.
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 11:40 (fourteen years ago)
Terius "The-Dream" Nash Solo Albums + Major Writing/Production Credits (Electrik Red, Mariah Carey, Ciara)
^^ was inevitable
― ilxor, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
From Rap-Up:
The-Dream might have claimed that last year’s Love King would be his final album, but it ain’t over yet. Last night at the premiere of Justin Bieber’s 3D documentary Justin Bieber: Never Say Never, the singer-songwriter revealed that his fourth album is in the works and should arrive by late summer.
“Everybody’s calling for an album now, so I should have one out by August,” he told Quddus on the purple carpet.
The “Baby” hitmaker is also burning with Bieber fever, sharing that he’s working on the teen idol’s next album alongside Danja, Kevin Cossom, and Kanye West. “We’ve actually been working on the next record, so I’ve been writing, just to get ready,” he said.
And while Biebs has experimented with his sound lately by remixing “Runaway Love” with Kanye and Raekwon, The-Dream plans to continue pushing the envelope. “I can’t give away that,” he teased of the pop star’s new material. “Somewhere between like Fergie and Jesus, somewhere in between there. If I can get away with edgy, I would love it.”
― Evan R, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)
Somewhere between like Fergie and Jesus
New board description?
― Moodles, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
did no one think to ask him about kim kardash's album smh
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
I read somewhere that Kim isn't putting out an album anymore, just that one song :(
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
NOOOOOOOOOO ;_;
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
album of the year is wide open again ;_;
"12-20-20-11, I'm-a drop that Love Affair"
― Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
Quddus on the purple carpet
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know if someone wants to start a new thread on this, but Terius has said his new album will now be called The Love, IV and its tentative release date is June 7th
The-Dream is pulling out all the stops. The singer-songwriter, who has worked with everyone from Mariah Carey to Kim Kardashian, is reaching out to an all-star roster for his next album, which he plans to pack with more guest stars than ever before.Previously called Love Affair, the fourth installemt in his Love series will now be titled The Love, IV, he tells MTV News.“This album is gonna have more features, which is unique for me, ’cause I usually don’t carry a lot of features,” he says of the follow-up to last year’s Love King. “I’m calling it out now. I’m cashing in my chips. I’m gonna try to get everybody, Wayne, Kanye, Jay, Drake, Mary, anybody that I’ve worked with or loaned a hand to, I’m trying to get on my album.”Though The-Dream previously announced that he wanted the album out by August, he has set a tentative June 7 date. In addition to working with his partner Christopher “Tricky” Stewart, he also plans to hit the studio with producers Polow Da Don, Carlos McKinney, and possibly Dr. Dre.
Previously called Love Affair, the fourth installemt in his Love series will now be titled The Love, IV, he tells MTV News.
“This album is gonna have more features, which is unique for me, ’cause I usually don’t carry a lot of features,” he says of the follow-up to last year’s Love King. “I’m calling it out now. I’m cashing in my chips. I’m gonna try to get everybody, Wayne, Kanye, Jay, Drake, Mary, anybody that I’ve worked with or loaned a hand to, I’m trying to get on my album.”
Though The-Dream previously announced that he wanted the album out by August, he has set a tentative June 7 date. In addition to working with his partner Christopher “Tricky” Stewart, he also plans to hit the studio with producers Polow Da Don, Carlos McKinney, and possibly Dr. Dre.
The all star roster sounds like it could be a Last Train to Paris type of affair, which could be amazing.
― prolego, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
sounds like it's gonna be a massive summer tour
― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
but ugh, would rather not have kanye & drake on the album
― prolego, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
so if Love King was his Blueprint (both of which were nearly guest-free), this could be his Blueprint 3
that's heartening...
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)
wtf kinda comparison is that
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
I’m gonna try to get everybody, Wayne, Kanye, Jay, Drake, Mary, anybody that I’ve worked with or loaned a hand to, I’m trying to get on my album.”
God, it's going to be depressing if he doesn't actually get most of these guests.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
great album w/ basically no guests spots -vs- middling album with lots of guests
obvious, innit? xp
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
lol seriously
the big name features were a detriment to Love Vs. Money imo but i could see this approach going either way. tbh i feel like he's done enough music in his own lane now and i wouldn't mind him letting guests dominate or working w/ different producers like Polow just to see how that works out.
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
"lol seriously" was to j0rdan btw
6/7/2011 - promise kept so far!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
Yes but in every other respect this comparison makes no sense. Even Blueprint vs Blueprint 2 would have made more sense but then I don't see how Love King is dude's Blueprint in any way other than this (fairly meaningless) one.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it was a dumb analogy
i could see this not sucking if they keep production in-house
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
the problem is that he's never really integrated guests in a meaningful way outside of "livin a lie" & maybe "my love" -- all his rapper collaborations are incredibly perfunctory
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah it's difficult to imagine him stepping out of the way enough to share the limelight in any fashion other than obligatory space between 2nd and 3rd chorus. Maybe if he made an album double-billed with electrik red, but obv that's not the kind of thing he's proposing.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
i like TI on makeup bag; he's kinda perfect for it
― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the whole thing about terius' solo albums is that they're where he does his own thing, largely away from the megastars and not-so-megastars who usually voice his songs, who he usually has to keep out of the way of
or however you'd unclunkily phrase that last bit
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
i would agree that mariah on "my love" and maybe rihanna on "livin' a lie" are the only two solo terius tracks where a guest spot works really well - i don't mind t.i. on "make up bag" and actually rather like kanye on "walkin' on the moon" but they're hardly 100% necessary
i guess the original version of ciara's "speechless" could count too, given the amount of time terius has on the mic
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i mean i think he can do r&b guests just fine (no pun) since writing for them is obv his 'day job' -- he has yet to have a rap guest that hasn't felt completely tacked on tho -- in fact pretty much all of his own rapping > guest rapping on his albums
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
T.I. on the original "Fila" was good
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
true
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
i think of those potential guests jay-z sounds most ominous - i can't imagine jay's awkward stilted breathlessness these days working on a terius beat at all
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
like drake probably wouldn't be awful, he'd just insipidly fade into the beat or whatever
as long as chris brown isn't on it...
― prolego, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
trying so hard not to be totally mean to you guys for being so concerned that his next album is working from a different playbook from his first 3
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
him & chris still have beef?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i totally know how corny it makes me look but like, look at that guest list man
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
haha i'm not that concerned really, it is whatever it is
i do hope chris brown isn't on it, yes, though i put up with him on LTTP i guess
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
breezy was the best guest on LTTP - usher was great too but chris was on 2 songs
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
breezy was the best guest on LTTP
o_0
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
like...no
who is his comp exactly, you gonna stan for drake? wayne?
i mean i get you hate him because of the incident, i do too, but dude killed his spots on that record
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
haha wait
this album is now called "The Love, IV"? lol
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
it would be kind of poetic if LTTP becomes the album none of us can shut up about for the next year or whatever and starts derailing terius threads, would be a nice passing of the torch
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
he was on basically the two worst songs on the album, and put in mediocre performances on both. and that's before you even get to how he's a fuckwit whose voice i still hate hearing.
justin and wayne both fit the mood of their songs perfectly, and trey's great too. usher's ok but he always seems a bit forced and overbearing these days (but then that kind of fits the song too).
xps
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
i think even my joking old suggestion of "Love Vs. Sandwiches" would be better. dude needs to give upon the theme already.
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
love Bilal and Fauntleroy on "Shades" and like the T.I. and Trey Songz spots, people seem to like Swizz on "Ass On The Floor"
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
if it's anything like "shut it down" i'd quite happy with a terius/drake collabo
jay on the other hand: smdh
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
oh yeah t.i. duh, t.i. is great
don't bilal and fauntleroy just do backing/choral vox on "shades"? i can't figure out exactly where their voices are.
oh yeah, skylar grey is pretty much perfect for "coming home" too.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
not to get all "rapping is just rythmic speaking" ((c) sarge) but i could have rapped swizz's hook
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
he's probably trying to show he's making some sort of conscious break from the "love X" trilogy. i guess this is the album he just wants to make for fun to show off everyone he's worked with as a last hurrah
― prolego, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
Full title will be The Love IV The-Dream is my guess, or at least that's how it'll look on the CD.
If he restricts the guest spots to one per song, it'll be fine. He's generally done well with getting another vocalist on board.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
Ummm... I've never liked this before but SEX INTELLIGENT is fucking ALL TIME!!
― cosdeling barier chough a fat in a ballman thrantume (dog latin), Monday, 28 February 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
http://ryanseacrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/620-kimkardashianinstudio-022211.jpg
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
her single "jam (turn it up)" will be world premiered on ryan seacrest's radio show (? i have no idea what exactly his deal is) tomorrow
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:10 (fourteen years ago)
omg omg omg omg omg
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 08:58 (fourteen years ago)
omg
can't take so much excitement first thing in the morning, just fell off my chair and stubbed my toe :/
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 09:19 (fourteen years ago)
hype directed the video, shot in vegas on NYE
http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/image001.jpg
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:00 (fourteen years ago)
song reportedly features kanye
btw lex i believe that "tomorrow" refers to wednesday aka today
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:03 (fourteen years ago)
i guess she posted video from the club in vegas when she played the song -- it sounds nice, maybe even kinda lush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJqA_6CYLeo
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:04 (fourteen years ago)
recording is pretty muffled tho
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:05 (fourteen years ago)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but i'm going to be out all afternoon and evening!!!!!!!!! DELAY IT KIM
(i know about that video, have not listened due to quality issues)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:08 (fourteen years ago)
or maybe it means thursday, i can't really tell -- this is what i get for reading articles at 4 am
here's the link, you can try & decipher http://ryanseacrest.com/2011/03/01/kim-kardashian-to-world-premiere-debut-single-jam-turn-it-up-tomorrow/
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ http://ryanseacrest.com
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:11 (fourteen years ago)
oh ok, it's dated 3 march so i assume it means 4 march ie tomorrow (thrurday)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:12 (fourteen years ago)
"thrurday" kim kardash what are u doing 2 me
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:13 (fourteen years ago)
okay
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/KimKardashian/status/42841575365160960
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:15 (fourteen years ago)
lol i honestly have no idea what's going on -- she posted that at like 11 pm tuesday night in cali time, so i guess it's gonna be up on wednesday
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:16 (fourteen years ago)
like this
― jewellery game cyclopean (tpp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L01sYY_3pDI
― prolego, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
song is good
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
it's not really good, has enough youngdell signifiers to wake me up every 30 secs or so but it's pretty boring for the most part
kim k is the blankest singer i've ever heard too
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
i'm talkin' kim k
shit's worse than raaaay j!
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
she doesn't sound particularly excited that her jam is playing. maybe she's annoyed the volume is so low
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
of all the terius shit you'll rep for...
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
yea her voice is really thin-sounding
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
i wish cassie was singing it instead
― prolego, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
Even #cassiefanclub will struggle with her vocals on this
haha xpost
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 2, 2011 3:08 PM (35 minutes ago)
??
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
i'm sayin that repping for terius when he tries to be muse & not when he tries to be dr. luke = out of line priorities
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
she does sound suspiciously cassie-esque on this
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
"take care of me" is actually kind of v dope― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:22 PM (8 months ago)
― kaká flocká flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:22 PM (8 months ago)
i think it's safe to say "take care of me" is the worst song he's ever recorded― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Monday, June 28, 2010 11:32 PM (8 months ago)
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Monday, June 28, 2010 11:32 PM (8 months ago)
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
haha i was gonna add "and i LIKE cassie!" to the end of my first post but didn't
i don't really like terius doing this sound. i'll give this another try but didn't enjoy first listen.
― jewellery game cyclopean (tpp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
but seriously can't this fucking sound hurry up and die
― jewellery game cyclopean (tpp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
kevin don't you rep for that horrible dirty money song
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
oh lol i thought you meant "take care of me"
anyway yes
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
This was good until she opened her mouth.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
the inverse of her sex tape, then
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
this song reminds me of all the songs i heard on miami radio
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:42 (fourteen years ago)
i like it!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:43 (fourteen years ago)
yes that is how our radio sounds, it is true
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:47 (fourteen years ago)
also i've always liked blank, bored voices on club tracks (grew up on electroclash innit, that's why i like "like a g6" too), so if we're gonna have this sound around then this kind of vocal is EXACTLY what i want (specifically, instead of ke$ha-style vomit - no one who's ever expressed a positive sentiment towards ke$ha is permitted to criticise kim k's voice, frankly)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:57 (fourteen years ago)
it does sound like miami radio!
― jewellery game cyclopean (tpp), Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:13 (fourteen years ago)
also, "all i see is angels in my eyes" <3 <3 <3
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:30 (fourteen years ago)
Srsly Kim Kardashian could have covered The King of Limbs note for note and Lex would still be wetting himself.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:47 (fourteen years ago)
well, radiohead actually DID the king of limbs note for note and all their fans wet themselves
― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:51 (fourteen years ago)
without having heard it now I'm assuming it sounds like "rumours".
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 March 2011 11:41 (fourteen years ago)
new song
http://hulkshare.com/pxuj6t417mgs
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
bout time
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
different look but i like it. gettin' kind a "water runs dry" vibe.
― The Reverend, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
whoa
― ODD FURRY WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL PLEASE!!!! (diamonddave85), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
<3 the pitched up sample
nice, ty sisfam
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
that sample sounds like its from The Field's "Everyday" or something similar I'm sure, although then again it's probably just a very easy trance flutter to produce
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
tbh at this point in his career dreamer is not really the type of guy i want to hear these bullshit half-baked leaks from
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
and you want to hear bullshit half-baked leaks from...?
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
how official is this
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 22:56 (fourteen years ago)
just some random demo like 'lions tigers & bears' or whatever else, i'd imagine?
― Jacques_Lamure, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
weren't you losing your shit over random reference vocal tracks for songs he wrote for other artists like a year ago?
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
on one listen, i think i like most everything off nostalgia/ultra better than this... :/
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
it's somewhat similar to "there will be tears" i guess but otherwise i don't really see the comparison? idk it's unexpected but kind of nice
― chilli, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
and of course now i'm listening to it for a fifth time, dammit
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
and now a tenth.Hey is that "Did I Mention I Like to DANCE" being sampled there?
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, May 16, 2011 8:57 PM (1 hour ago)
idk what this even means, but in my listening experience his returns have been diminishing since e red
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
he's talking about that joint "should've been you" iirc
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:17 (fourteen years ago)
idk what this even means, but in my listening experience his returns have been diminishing since e red love/hate
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:16 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT DICKERY (dayo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno what that is
it's not like i don't love some terry when it's quality, he's just been hit or miss for the past year
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
you posted a youtube of it
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
ok yeah that's love vs money era & at a time he was doing great things with those drums
\o_o/
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:33 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:23 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
I love how this passes as a damning indictment in today's culture
― THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT DICKERY (dayo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
lol i was really just trying to jog his memory
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
"May I direct you to the thread... WHERE YOU POSTED THAT YOUTUBE?""ORDER! ORDER IN THE COURT!"
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
i actually think it was me that posted that youtube but then i love hearing 'bullshit half-baked leaks' from the-dream. this one is pretty minor though.
is there any news on official stuff coming out? who has he even been working with recently?
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:37 (fourteen years ago)
He had a hand in the Beyonce single (along with about ten others)
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:38 (fourteen years ago)
k3v i meant you stanning for the demo for Lionel Riche's "I'm Not Okay" but maybe that was more like 2 years ago
― lamp kind (some dude), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:58 (fourteen years ago)
this sounds like a bieber demo
― mailbox of snakes (schlump), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 11:25 (fourteen years ago)
an AWESOME bieber demo
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
ha, just realized she reminds him of his
http://www.protoolerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/KX49.jpg
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 08:51 (fourteen years ago)
When i first saw the tracklist for Love King i immediately thought keyboard not motorbike.
― Number None, Thursday, 19 May 2011 08:58 (fourteen years ago)
first time i've made that connection :/
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:01 (fourteen years ago)
haha it's be a connection much more in character
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:13 (fourteen years ago)
and in fact makes lots more sense
I assumed that's what he meant the first few times I listened to it, all the motorbike references (and "little red corvette" --> "fast car" lineage) notwithstanding.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:21 (fourteen years ago)
this is berserk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFNcP6jCPQ&feature=player_embedded#at=515
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 5 June 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
wow love that
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
um holy fuck y'allhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnyfr3JyUQ
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)
this random youtube bro is such a savior
― pearsonic, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
this forks bro is such a savior
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
now you are the savior
xp lol
― pearsonic, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=46851.1782
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
"The next three songs were Same Cooke covers. He revieled on the USTREAM last night that he has 3 albums recorded right now and one of them is all Same Cooke covers... The-Dream hopes to release it around the winter holidays this year..."
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
fuck my brains out chorus does sound like fast car (& little red corvette obv); is really catchy
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
6 5 twenty elevendream gon drop those studio sessions
― pearsonic, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
all this stuff sounds great
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)
"let ya hair down" esp
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
"fuck my brains out" sounds like a worthy addition to the terius prince homage canon
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
fuck my brains out is like fast car 2.0
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
http://hulkshare.com/qs6z4gy0lh39
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
sweeeeeet
― Jacques_Lamure, Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
forks = hero
5 minutes remaining...
― orchestral pygnoeuvres in zee park (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/j6TRn.png
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
just discoveries, no creation
man this cover of you send me is so sweet
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
wait so what is this?
― shalmaneser (tpp), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
terius was broadcasting a studio session on ustream, some kanye message board bro captured them & put them on youtube, then forx made mp3s
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
:D thanks forks!
― shalmaneser (tpp), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
so is terius back on twitter? how does a superfan find out about his ustream?
― shalmaneser (tpp), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
yo these dudes have a 100+ page terius 4th album anticipation thread, we gotta step our game up
― positive rapper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
two songs from love iv on tuesday?
― shalmaneser (tpp), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
forx FOUND mp3s; let's be clear plz
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
word xp
i'm also confused as to what's going on here, i'm listening to that first youtube and it's 12 mins long and there are no vocals yet
― positive rapper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
WE ARE BEING OUT-SUPERFANNED
forks thanks so much for making these mp3s!
kevin chill bro
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
― lebroner (D-40), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
k3vs at home sweating & going thru withdrawal like WHERE ARE THE VOCALS???
― lebroner (D-40), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
these are demos for the most part and creation in progress so they do wobble about
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
looking a gift horse in the mouth:
an interesting listen, if not terribly illuminating. like, though you can hear where he's going in "fuck my brains out", it's too scattered to really enjoy. demystifies more than it tantalizes. and, unless you really get off on studio process snapshots, you might as well skip "here it is". otoh, "let your hair down" is nice, and the sam cooke covers are beautiful, esp "a change is gonna come" and "you send me".
― orchestral pygnoeuvres in zee park (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)
let the boy cooke, that's all i'm asking
― r|t|c, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:58 AM Bookmark
― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 June 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
'let ya hair down' sounds real real nice
― shalmaneser (tpp), Sunday, 5 June 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
why did i listen to those terrible quality, interminable aimless meanderings? ughhh
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 June 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
none of them sound real nice they all sound like shit
lex otm
― The Brainwasher, Sunday, 5 June 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
okay, i was being nice with the "nice". but you didn't even enjoy the sam cooke covers? hardly spectacular, but they're great songs, and he handles them well, imo.
― orchestral pygnoeuvres in zee park (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 June 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
not sure I needed to hear the-dream 'sing' sam cooke songs, tbh
― The Brainwasher, Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
it's funny hearing him sing change is gonna come, because it's so impassioned & you realise sam cooke's version has this whole restrained downbeat thing that makes it all the more full on
also this:http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/the-dream-will-release-the-love-iv-diary-of-a-mad-man-on-his-birthday
― stately, plump bunk moreland (schlump), Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
(Diary of a Mad Man) is some Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy shit, rmde
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/j/jodeci/album-diary-of-a-mad-band.jpg
hopefully
― The Brainwasher, Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
hardly spectacular, but they're great songs, and he handles them well, imo.
i can't hear whether he handles them well, i can barely hear the songs. the quality of the sound is not something any human ear should have to deal with.
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, that's fair. i'd wager i'm a lot more comfortable with low-fidelity noise than you ;)
― orchestral pygnoeuvres in zee park (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 June 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/the-dream-new-album-6.7.2011.1.jpg
Is this Terius on a school trip to France or something?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
'diary of a mad band' is one of my fav. albums evaaaa
― shalmaneser (tpp), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 12:02 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's been said before but that list of guests is worrying
― shalmaneser (tpp), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 12:06 (fourteen years ago)
supposedly a 'fan double single' is dropping at 3pm est
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj167/simonnevin/DreamLIV.jpg
― Jacques_Lamure, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
he also apparently said on ustream that he wrote and recorded the electrik red album in a day
― Jacques_Lamure, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
he played "Body Work" on ustream last nite, sounded cool from what I could hear
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
yeah "fuck my brains out" was on that other ustream package
it'll be nice to hear it properly! i still can't believe you all made me listen to that crap
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
actually this is new thread time innit 6/7/2011, imma drop that body work / fuck my brains out double single (TERIUS NASH aka THE-DREAM, LOVE IV: anticipation and adoration)
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)
missed opportunity for THREAD OF A MADMAN but okay
― stately, plump bunk moreland (schlump), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)
i have no idea what that would mean
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
oh i think the record is called something like THE LOVE IV: DIARY OF A MADMAN
― stately, plump bunk moreland (schlump), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)
Question - did we ever find out where the Kanye borad is getting this info from? Do they have some secret source of Terius info?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
we need a mole in there stat
― pearsonic, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)
Nah, but seriously. Where does one find out about the ustream etc. He cancelled his twitter ages ago...
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
Nevermind: http://twitter.com/#!/MrTeriusNash
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)