(I owned the former on 7", which gives my answer. Particularly fond of Bono's "merry New Year" on the B-side.)
― AP, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Stevie Nixed, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
it's difficult to decide when, in the "we are the world" video, you have the split screen of stevie wonder and bruce springsteen and they're doing call-and-response and this was when bruce, bandanna and all, was in his most i-deeply-feel-everything-i-sing phase. and then you have kenny rogers and cyndi lauper at the same microphone.
then again, in the "do they know it's christmas?" video, the ego-fest that is weller, bono, and george michael are on the same mic.
maybe i should just cop-out and say "voices that care" from that gulf war benefit. i'll ultimately go with "we are the world" for the bridge.
― fred "hands across america" solinger, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― alex in nyc, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
One of the things Griel Marcus has written which I enjoyed points out that WATW -- written by at-the-time Pepsi spokesmen Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson, and featuring the oft-repeated line, "there's a choice we're making" -- was recorded following an American Music Awards telecast in which Pepsi unveiled a campagin ad -- complete with Lionel Richie commerical (the Dancing on the Ceiling one, if I'm not mistaken) -- for its new slogan, "the choice of a new generation." Subtle, probably even unconciously done, but frighteningly odd nonetheless.
― Scott Plagenhoef, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
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― Luptune Pitman, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
Was DTKIC the first charity single or were there others before that? I was only nine when it was released and my musical memory doesn't stretch back much further (apologies to the more elderly posters, hehe). I can remember it spawned various dreadful (but obviously extremely charitable and therefore Good) imitations - Ferry Aid, that Ferry Cross The Mersey one (I sense a ferry theme developing) and several others.
Has there ever been a good charity single? Or album? I can remember the Help album being spoken about as the first good charity album, but it's not one I take off the shelf much these days.
Questions, questions...
― Madchen, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― james e l, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Tim Baier, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
Or have I mis-heard this ? I think it's sung by Bono.
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
I'm sure I've played this annecdote to death but the "Tonight thank god its them instead of you" line would not have made it if Bono had his way. He asked Geldof if he really meant it, and Sir Bob siad "Of course - think about what it means". Now I'm no Bono apologist but his priceless reply ("I have thought about it - that's why I'm asking") almost excuses Desire.
― Pete, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Madchen, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― fred solinger, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― K-reg, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― james e l, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)
― Dhesan C., Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Nitsuh, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ronan, Thursday, 20 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
The Christian faith is present in most African countries. Introduced into North Africa in the 1st century, it spread to the Sudan and to Ethiopia in the 4th. It has survived in Ethiopia under the form of the Coptic Christian community. Elsewhere, especially in the north of the continent, Christianity was supplanted by Islam.
The Christian religion was reintroduced into tropical Africa in the 15th century. Today, there are more than 341 million Christians on the African continent, almost equally divided among Catholics and Protestants.
Islam, the second most widely disseminated religion, entered Africa from the Mediterranean coast in the 7th century. In successive years, it spread along the East coast, and into the interior of West Africa. Today, Islam has penetrated into all parts of the continent, and numbers approximately 285 million adherents.
As to the traditional religions, sometimes called animist, they are followed by about 15% of Africans.
― daniel, Thursday, 20 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Don't you suppose the line "Do they know it's Christmas?" would have to be directed at non-Christian Africans in order to have any meaning whatsoever? Isn't the alternative writing an entire single asking, rhetorically, if "they" know it's Christmas, to which large numbers of "them" would reply: well, yes, actually we do? Isn't the whole problem with the damn song the fact that it doesn't occur to Geldof to make this distinction at all?
And by the way, if you want to get specific about the religion of early-80s famine victims, the problem was centrally occurring in the horn of Africa and into the Sahara, where Islam's had its greatest inroads: Somalia and Sudan in particular. And while the focal point was Ethiopia, a traditionally Christian nation, the actual famine in Ethiopia primarily affected rural, less-Christian communities in the provinces bordering Somalia -- i.e., Somalis, Oromos. The traditionally Christian Amharas tended to be more cosmopolitan (plus in control of the bureaucratic structure), and thus a bit more insulated.
As if this matters. Your post only answers Geldof's question with "Well, yeah, clearly," which doesn't make the song any less condescending, imperialist, or stupid.
― Nitsuh, Thursday, 20 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I beg to differ. It's not neccesarily have to be directed to non- christian.
I used to live in a country which christians are small minorities. The country has its share of political turmoil, civil war, religious fanaticism (in which one of the most influential religious body in that country issue an order that saying merry christmas to christians is forbidden). And I can totally relate with what Geldof was trying to say. Sometimes, if you don't look at the calendar, you wouldn't know that it's christmas.
I think it's his message to the first world citizen, that while we're having "the most wonderful time of the year" and "rocking around a christmas tree', and that the only reason it doesn't feel like Christmas this year is because there is no snow yet, there are millions of people out there who's never experience the joy of a holiday or any reasons whatsoever to celebrate anything.
This song is as poignant now as when it was first released. Especially when you compare it to recent contemporary christmas songs from Mariah Carey or Britney Spears in which they stated all they want from christmas is for Santa to bring them boyfriends. Geldof's message is for people like them. While we're worried about trivial thing like not having a date on a christmas party, for others 'the greatest gift they have this year is live'.
― daniel, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Sometimes, if you don't look at the calendar, you wouldn't know that it's christmas [sic].
Do you see how you're making an assumption that "Christmas" = "Christmas as typically celebrated in the industrialized West?" That simply because a person lives in poverty or a warm arid region, he's not experiencing "Christmas" as it's properly meant to be experienced? Do you see how you, like Geldof, are conflating reasonable standards of living with Christianized Western culture?
― Nitsuh, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Poverty or warm arid region doesn't have anything to do with "proper Christmas experience". Actually one might be able to understand the true meaning of christmas in those conditions, without the commercialized santa or frosty or rudolph or snow. After all the first christmas was experienced in poverty and warm arid region.
The point I was trying to make with that line was does it feel like Christmas when your church was bombed and burned ? When your priest was burned alive ? When you have to watch your children die because you are not able to give them food.
Christmas is in the heart. And I guess, hopefully I'm right, Geldof's heart was in the right place.
In any case, merry christmas to y'all. Let there be peace on earth.
I'm just say that, well, based on the argument you've just made, the song should have asked "Do They Feel Like It's Christmas?," shouldn't it?
Merry Christmas to you, too.
― Ronan, Friday, 21 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― JK, Sunday, 23 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Pavel Karminsky, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Best version of We Are The World is by Culturcide on Tacky Souvenirs from Pre-Revolutionary America. Re-entitled "We're Not The World" the chorus goes "we're not the world/we're not the children/we're just bosses and bureaucrats/and rock & roll hasbeens/there's a choice we're never given/to run our own lives/without it your "better day"/is just a better lie."
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
It was a very different experience watching the vid for We Are the World on TOTP, with my mother saying "Who's that dear?" every time a different singer appeared on the screen and me muttering back "I don't know" for the vast majority. Prior to We are the World I didn't have a clue who Willie Nelson was and afterwards I wished I still didn't! I remember thinking "That guy can't bloody sing!" and also the line he sings "As thge Lord has shown us, by turning stone to bread" is such a gut-wrenchingly awful flipping around of the Temptation of Christ story. And then Willie is followed by the horrible warbling of Al Jarreau.
― MarkH, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Among the participants: the Nolans, Joe "That's Living Alright" Fagin, Tony Christie pre-All Seeing I, Bruce Forsyth, Rick Wakeman, Bernie Winters, Jim Diamond and (I think?) Jim Davidson.
It was VILE!
― Nicole, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tom, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Paul McCartney, Kate Bush, Boy George, Level 42, Nik Kershaw, Pepsi & Shirlie, Erasure, Mark Knopfler, Gary Moore, Chris Rea, Edwin Starr, Samantha Fox, Mel & Kim, Kim Wilde, possibly Alison Moyet, Paul Young, Swing Out Sister, Curiosity Killed The Cat, several Page 3 models and, on backing vocals "for the experience," Rick Astley (a SAW production I regret to say). Doubtless loads of others but these are the ones which immediately spring to mind.
Main Vocals: Boy George, Peter Cox, Hazel O'Connor, Grace Kennedy, Dollar, Noddy Holder.
Chorus Vocals: Bonny Langford, Sylvester McCoy, Jimmy Nail, Hollywood Beyond, Uriah Heep, Showaddywaddy, The Sweet, Busta Jones, Hot Chocolate, EastEnders, Spitting Image, The Rent Party, Grange Hill, Caren Keating, Shriekback, Roland Rat, Andy Crane, Simon Potter, Lisa Maxwell, Michael Croft, Dave Joyner, Terry Rice-Milton, Tracey Wilson, Jodie Wilson, Patricia Conti, Cantabile, Housemaster Boyz, Jenny Day, Kevin O'Dowd, 'Plus many other artists too numerous to mention'.
Shriekback apparently didn't appear on the record even tho they were credited on the sleeve! At the time they were "very opposed to charity records."
― static, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
I think this is slightly sloppy exegesis. The way I read it, Geldof's question, unpacked, would have undertones that run something like: "We have this time of 'goodwill toward men [people]' that we call Christmas. From our actions, can the developing world (toward whom we have a huge responsibility, having colonized/fucked them over) TELL that we're enjoying such a period of self-congratulating charity?" It's true that "Do they feel like it's Christmas?/Do they feel like celebrating?" would be a better question. Not as singable.
Bono's "Them/Us" line has always bugged me and made me laugh. Geldof's explanation doesn't help; if he really was trying to get people to do all that thinking, he should've known that on top-40 radio, that wouldn't be the effect (celebrity charity singles don't lend themselves to anything beyond sloppy self-regarding sentimentality). Still, it's a likable boppy-synthesizer tune without all the taking-a-shit "sincere" vocal stylings of "WATW."
I bristle at the immediate equation of Christianity and empires--Jesus and Paul weren't Platonists or Europeans, and contemporary theologians (the good ones) are doing their damndest to extricate them from Constantinianism. Still, if people think it's an imperialistic ideology and nothing but, that's MOSTLY Christians' damn fault. We can continue this discussion on the "I Love Arguing About Religion in Public" message board.
>And by the way, if you want to get specific about the religion of >early-80s famine victims, the problem was centrally occurring in the >horn of Africa and into the Sahara, where Islam's had its greatest >inroads: Somalia and Sudan in particular. And while the focal point
And you're right, it's unfortunate that it probably never occured to Geldof et.al. to do this kind of analysis. Humans tend to be insular. When those same humans hold most of the economic/military cards and are helplessly implicated in centuries of imperialism, this works to perpetuate, of course, that same imperialism.
― Phil Christman, Monday, 8 December 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)
Regarding the lyrical debate on "Do They Know It's Christmas" one needs to remember that, in 1984, Islam wasn't qute as dominant in Ethiopia as it is today, so asking the question "Do They Know It's Christmas" may not have seemed as pointless then as it may seem now.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)
I can't believe all the nonsense on this thread.
"We Are The World" is so much the better performance since it includes people who can, you know, really sing (i.e. sell Richie/Jackson's banalities) next to people who really can't. Among those who can really sing are a number of blacks and women. Besides being unapologetically Christian, "Do They Know It's Christmas?" has the honor of featuring no blacks or women in lead roles. So much for community.
(inspired by reading this.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)
To make it simpler:
TS: Diana Ross, Steve Perry, Daryl Hall, Cyndi Lauper vs Simon Le Bon, Tony Hadley, Sting, Bono.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)
Um, except... even if you break it down to merely just the question of which is a better song, "Do They Know it's Christmas?" is head and shoulders above the cloying, steam-escaping flatulence that was "We Are the World."
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)
Crap see no color.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:40 (eighteen years ago)
If you prefer Tony Hadley, sure.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:45 (eighteen years ago)
Besides being unapologetically Christian, "Do They Know It's Christmas?" has the honor of featuring no blacks or women in lead roles. So much for community.
Which is why it's quite an achievement that "DTKIC" is still a hundred times better than "WATW"!
― Lostandfound, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:56 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not sure why. Paul Young and Boy George are the only singers who sound like human beings.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)
"DTKIC" is a better song by a loooong way.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 21 July 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)
All that's preferable on "DTKIC" are the synth programs. Daryl Hall, Steve Perry, and Ray Charles -- with and without mullets and hernia faces -- could sell that awful line of Bono's ("WELL TONIGHT THANK GOD IT'S THEM INSTEAD OF YOU!!!!)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)
(I'm feeling feisty tonight)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)
they are both painfully bad songs. the cause was good though, they tell me
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 21 July 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)
Besides being unapologetically Christian, "Do They Know It's Christmas?" has the honor of featuring no blacks or women in lead roles
In 1984, the vast majority of people living in the UK were actually white. May explain it.
The lack of female soloists was probably partly because most big UK acts of that era were male, but Ure and Geldof also decided that because the UK scene was so male dominated, they wanted an even more male dominated "group". I read somewhere that some huge female acts were left out of Band Aid because of that. Bananarama participated in the choir though.
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 July 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)
Besides, I like the lineup in Band Aid better (those people made most of the best music of the 80s), but "We Are The World" is a stronger songs. Both lyrics are quite dreadful though, but I guess they had to if they wanted to find some sort of middle ground between people of all kinds of political wings.
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 July 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)
If Tom's gonna take the "our shite" tact, I'm going to vote: NEITHER. Instead, I'll pick our lovely Canadian version, "Tears are Not Enough", despite the inclusion of some really horrid Canadian artists (please see the BNL thread for elaboration). Still, it had Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Cockburn, Gord Lightfoot, WAYNE GRETZKY!, and many other fab talents from the Great White North. Not that I can remember many of the words...oddly enough, I remember part of the section sung in French, but only phonetically. It doesn't get much more Canadian than that. -- Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (6 years ago) Link
OTM.
― Eric H., Saturday, 21 July 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)
Hear N Aid kills both dead
― J0hn D., Saturday, 21 July 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
The USA for Africa gang is way better than the Band Aid gang but I still like Do They Know It's Christmas best by far
― A B C, Saturday, 21 July 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)
Xgau makes a convincing argument. I've always liked "Do They Know It's Christmas?" more as a song for the sheer melody/instrumentation/production, but "We Are The World" definitely works better for the cause.
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 21 July 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)
I guess "Sun City" takes it then?
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 July 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
"We Are The World" is one of the worst songs ever made - who cares about the quality of the singers?
― zeus, Saturday, 21 July 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)
So much insanity on this thread! Alfred OTM. Britishes at least have a valid chauvinistic reason for preferring Band Aid, but jeez, how long have the rest of you been living in a Bizarro world where Bob Geldof and Midge Ure write better songs than Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie?
"We Are the World" is classic American schmaltz, with all the good and bad that such a phrase entails.
Also, Greil Marcus' idiot reading of WATW as imperialist American celebrities devouring the world is a low point in 80s popcrit poststructuralism.
― Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)
zeus' last comment is particularly shocking. I'm not defending WATW's songcraft, for God's sake, just the performances!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)
I knew the culturcide version before I ever heard of the real WATW. Its pretty funny, but you can't really come to the real one after it....
― I know, right?, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)
How different a thread would this be if Harry Belafonte's original intention regarding WATW - that it feature only black performers - had come to pass?
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 23 July 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)
no Cyndi Lauper, no credibility
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 23 July 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I'd have missed Cyndi, and lots of other white folx too.
― Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
BTW, why is this not a poll thread please?
― Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)
I'm afraid of the results.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)
Alfred: we talk about a bad song, which hasn't got better because of the performance. Or I just can't get your point.
― zeus, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)
OMFG OLD ILX WAS SO STUPID. We are the World >>>>>> Do they know its xmas
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:00 (eighteen years ago)
Britishes at least have a valid chauvinistic reason for preferring Band Aid, but jeez, how long have the rest of you been living in a Bizarro world where Bob Geldof and Midge Ure write better songs than Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie?
this cannot be stated enough
WATW = maudlin sappy gag-reflex mush
― ledge, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:04 (eighteen years ago)
"Tonight thank God it's them instead of you"
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2007/20070406_ethiopia.jpg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/12/12/nbrit112.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
Culturcide's version was better.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
I agree with your premise JW - Richie/Jackson theoretically ought to be able to write the better song - but WATW isn't it. Melodically, it's OK, hardly prime work from either guy; lyrically I mean it's not the offensive & condescending "Do They Know?" but I'd rather be offended by content than by vague nonsense (what the hell does "we are the children" mean in the context of the chorus? which children: the starving children? no, "we" are the ones who make a brighter day and are called upon to give; however, we are also "the children" etc etc - just total nonsense, deploying the word "children" 'cause everybody likes children - bizarre, confusing, senseless)
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:27 (eighteen years ago)
As the Culturcide chorus goes:
"We're not the world, we're not the children, We're just bosses and bureaucrats and rock 'n' roll hasbeens, There's a choice we're never given, To run our own lives, Without it, your better day is just a better lie."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:31 (eighteen years ago)
Again, WATW is redeemed by the vocal performances.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
You're insane.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:38 (eighteen years ago)
Culturcide's is better than either, agreed.
Otherwise, this thread is pretty 0_o to me! It's like being asked "which do you prefer, this turd or that turd"?
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:38 (eighteen years ago)
They're both pretty awful records!
A better idea would have been "Let It Be (Zeebrugge)" versus "Ferry 'Cross The Mersey (Hillsborough)."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
"We Are The World" is the biggest dollop of tepid, runny, poisoned-pancreatic pooh ever to be subjected on human ears. Raise your damn standards.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
Although the real winner in this debate of course is "Sun City."
Someone post a Japanese version of "Do They Know?" so I can make a final decision.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:42 (eighteen years ago)
I liked the Austrian Band Aid song (Opus?) where the chorus went "We're only doing this so that we can feel better" or something along those lines.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:44 (eighteen years ago)
No one's arguing that either song is a good one in and of itself.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)
what the hell does "we are the children" mean in the context of the chorus? which children: the starving children? no, "we" are the ones who make a brighter day and are called upon to give; however, we are also "the children" etc etc - just total nonsense, deploying the word "children" 'cause everybody likes children - bizarre, confusing, senseless
That's incredibly disingenuous, J0hn. "We are the world/We are the children" is rather obviously hippie-esque "We are all one people" imagery, followed on with "we're the lucky ones who should help out the less fortunate ones" moral imperative. I kind of don't see how you can find that confusing or bizarre unless you're trying to shore up a shakey rhetorical stance based on thinking the song eats moose balls.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:48 (eighteen years ago)
i thought "we are the children" in the chorus meant=take a child's like view of the world and how to defeat hunger, we're saving our own lives, etc.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:49 (eighteen years ago)
Geldof famously described DTKIC as "fucking Z Cars on a toy piano."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:50 (eighteen years ago)
How can they say "We are the world" when the starving people are part of the world too? Are they trying to say that they're starving, but want to help themselves as well? Is that what they mean by making "a better day for you and me?" And how did I get involved with this?
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:52 (eighteen years ago)
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― HI DERE, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 15:55 (eighteen years ago)
liked the Austrian Band Aid song (Opus?) where the chorus went "We're only doing this so that we can feel better" or something along those lines.
Yeah, among the bits from Live Aid I VHS'd was Opus and friends. "Once you were a princess, woooh! Now you are a beggar, woooh!"
Spoiled it a bit when you realise it was obviusly at the same 'taping' when they recorded the video for "Live is life, ba na na na nah!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:06 (eighteen years ago)
Hear 'N Aid>>>>>>WatW & DTKICT
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
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Not very good at all - "Tears Are Not Enough," the Canadian Band Aid record. If only they'd covered the ABC song.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:18 (eighteen years ago)
In light of Burton Cummings' brilliant "Gordon Lightfoot Does Maggie May" routine I would like to see Gordy covering the whole of Lexicon Of Love.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
The We Are The World album has Prince's "4 the Tears In Your Eyes" on it, so its existence was good for something.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:25 (eighteen years ago)
Okay purely as a songwriting thing, Do They Know It's Christmas was better.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:26 (eighteen years ago)
Making a charity record that started with african drums and a funeral bell was somewhat startling at the time.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
Fed through a Fairlight by renowned African drummers Phil Collins and Jon Moss.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:32 (eighteen years ago)
Fuckin' A, Mark G! :) I was an anglophile even at 13 years of age. You bet I was.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:37 (eighteen years ago)
Also do you think anyone in my middle school (or junior high) knew who the hell Frankie Goes To Hollywood was besides me? Not a fucking chance.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:38 (eighteen years ago)
I used to buy Brit teenager mags, see that's how it all started. That's how I figured out who Scritti Politti was.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:39 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, how could anyone possibly know about a group with an inescapable top 10 hit?
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:41 (eighteen years ago)
not at that time they hadn't a top 10 hit yet! :)
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:42 (eighteen years ago)
Best bit on DTKIC: "I can't get the laugh right Bob."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:42 (eighteen years ago)
Anyway sorry to diverge the thread. Continue as normal.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
Dan I have seriously always been mystified by "we are the children," makes no sense to me poetically or otherwise in that chorus
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 17:05 (eighteen years ago)
Seriously, replace "the" with "God's" and you've got your answer.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
Besides being unapologetically Christian, "Do They Know It's Christmas?" has the honor of featuring no blacks or women in lead roles.
So because most UK people are white (and were in 1984 to an even bigger extent), then they are racist?
As for the women thing, 80s New Romantics was all about male vocals. Most music was back then. And male vocals have always sounded better anyway.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
LOL
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:45 (eighteen years ago)
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Tonito44/ThatsRacist.gif
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:50 (eighteen years ago)
And male vocals have always sounded better anyway.
glad to see Geir's sticking with his "I just say insane shit that has nothing to do with anything" policy
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
Jonbert Williamsgau
― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
"We Are The World" is the better song, but "Do They Know It's Christmas" had the better performers.
Of course, it was British after all.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:22 (eighteen years ago)
DTKIC is such utter shit its not even comparable to WATW which is kinda shit and saved by the vocal performance as mentioned before.
The melody of
feeeeed the WOOORld do they know...
is such utter shit
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
if Ray Charles injected his "C'mon, let me HEAR YA!" into the Brit version, I might show it some respect.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
Britishes at least have a valid chauvinistic reason for preferring Band Aid
They do?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 22:02 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZktrrq HEAR'N'AID
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 01:26 (eighteen years ago)
Okay Pleasant Plains' Hear N' Aid link is fucking hilarious. I mean hilariously awful, but wow. The awfulness factor was ratcheted up way high up to ELEVEN man! Yikes. In its own way yes this is MUCH better than either DTKIC or We Are The World.
Other especially good classic stuff Pleasant Plains posted on this thread:
― Bimble, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 04:56 (eighteen years ago)
URGENT MEMO to Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Bruce Springsteen - you guys ain't got nuthin' on Pete Briquette, Chris Cross or Marilyn.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 10:13 (eighteen years ago)
If their respective performances on "We Are The World" are at all indicative of their "gifts," those three performers (and let's bring Dylan in there too) have no business enjoying the status they currently do.
Bottom line: "We Are The World" = FLATLY INDEFENSIBLE. If you like it, you have shit in your ears and in your skull. Class dismissed.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 11:36 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan is one of the few performers who actually comes out of the thing with credit. No one would talk to him at the recording except Willie Nelson.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
fear!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:41 (eighteen years ago)
not even The Boss?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:45 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan was the Paul Weller equivalent in terms of "what about the farmers?"
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:52 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, but WATW was before the Live Aid calling...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:55 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan didn't ask what about the striking miners.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:01 (eighteen years ago)
In its own way yes this is MUCH better than either DTKIC or We Are The World.
if by "in its own way" you mean "insofar as it's a better song played by more interesting musicians," you're dead on
please to put "up to eleven" to bed, it's fucking old and tired and wants to sleep
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:07 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ lyrics to "Stars"
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:15 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan is one of the few performers who actually comes out of the thing with credit
I'm not sure you've heard his singing on the track.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:16 (eighteen years ago)
Curt1s, we all want to touch a rainbow
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:21 (eighteen years ago)
Any takers this year? New wave all the way, bay-bee.
― Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Monday, 20 December 2010 11:07 (fifteen years ago)
Unfortunately neither one of these is New Wave; besides, do you want new wave or do you want the truth?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 12:41 (fifteen years ago)
I recently came across that xgau piece that Alfred links to, and similar sentiments from Greil Marcus while researching a piece on these songs. I always saw it in terms of UK pop oddballs singing a tinselly, jerry-built, lyrically odd song vs the sanctimonious, gilded aristocracy of US pop - revealing snapshots of the two different Top 40 cultures in the mid 80s and easy to know which side I was on - so I find xgau's focus on vocal technique and the racial mix interesting but counterintuitive. A major transatlantic divide on this issue.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 20 December 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)
I need to find the poll of the "We Are the World" soloists.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)
Here we are: Who Bodied Their Verse On "We Are The World"??
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)
OTM:
the thing that's most interesting to me from an aesthetic standpoint is how the veterans really kill it with their professionalism. the really awesome ones in here are from people who've been pretty much living on stages in front of audiences for 20+ years and know the difference between singing in an ensemble & singing duet & having a line where you want to both shine & not look like you're trying to out-do anybody (this is where stevie w. & ray charles really give a master class - they both go WAY up, but they could both have taken it much further if they weren't both dudes who know exactly what they're doing & how to always remember that your job is to make the song better than it was before you got there, not to make it a Spotlight On Me deal, which is springsteen's problem imo). dionne, al jarreau, lionel r., tina & willie are to me the ones who outshine everybody else by not trying as hard.
― the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Friday, July 31, 2009
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
I only paid attention to "We Are the World" because of Michael Jackson.
― Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
I'll just come in and comment a bit on one statement upthread. Sure, I agree that Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie both have overall better song catalogues with more classics than Bob Geldof and Midge Ure. Still, "I Don't Like Mondays" and "Vienna" are surely up there with the best of everything Jackson and Richie have written.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 20 December 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)
take all the vocals out of DTKIC and it reminds me a bit of the Doctor Who theme, therefore it wins.
― Kim, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)
Yes! I remember thinking it sounded kind of cool and futuristic when I was a kid.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)
My grandparents donated a record player to my cousins and me to use when we visited them over the summer holidays. They were big into jazz and Motown, and "We Are The World" was one of the rcords that got chucked into the kids' pile. So whenever I hear it, it really reminds me of being on holiday in the South of France. I like it by proxy for this reason.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)
"We Are the World" is classic American schmaltz, with all the good and bad hideous vomit-induction that such a phrase entails.― Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:42 (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UfVmJBF-OY&feature=plcp
― balls, Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:49 (thirteen years ago)
hahaha amazing....genius of american music ladies and gents
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:59 (thirteen years ago)
i love that.
― kid steel (cajunsunday), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:09 (thirteen years ago)
"Bob, it's great -- you're the only singing the lower octave!"
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:11 (thirteen years ago)
in which Steve Perry and Daryl Hall demonsrate they can sing well no matter how many takes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwEOOgv5unE&feature=related
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:25 (thirteen years ago)
lol @ Huey Lewis, Cyndi Lauper, and Kim Carnes trying to harmonize their irreconcilable voices.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:28 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think Daryl Hall is in the same league with Steve Perry. On several of the takes Mr. Hall is off key quite a bit. Look at Steve's face as Hall is singing. He does look a little annoyed with Hall.
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― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:36 (thirteen years ago)
Who Bodied Their Verse On "We Are The World"??
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 July 2012 00:57 (thirteen years ago)
we have a new contender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4oz4dfi9gg
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 23 July 2017 21:53 (eight years ago)
that's p interesting!
― niels, Monday, 24 July 2017 09:17 (eight years ago)
arguably the most baffling lineup for any charity single:
Love Song to the Earth: Paul McCartney, Jon Bon Jovi, Sheryl Crow, Fergie, Colbie Caillat, Natasha Bedingfield, Leona Lewis, Sean Paul, Johnny Rzeznik, Krewella, Angelique Kidjo, Kelsea Ballerini, Nicole Scherzinger, Christina Grimmie, Victoria Justice & Q'orianka Kilcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBEGxqJKup8
― marty dwalin (unregistered), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:10 (eight years ago)
the Earth = d00med
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:18 (eight years ago)
TS: Love Song To The Earth vs Fistfucking God’s Planet
― Siegbran, Monday, 26 March 2018 22:50 (eight years ago)
wow, can't believe macca took part in that shit
― niels, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 09:33 (eight years ago)
Love this guy:
"Do they know it's Christmas" - HANDS DOWN! Bono...FANTASTIC!!! Great song! I think the radio has decided it. When was the last time you heard "We are the World?" on the radio? However, every Christmas we hear "Do they know..." a million times. As George "Dubyah" Bush said of the British... "We have no closer friend..." Thanks for a great song!!!!!― JK, Domingo, 23 de Dezembro de 2001 1:00 (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 12:03 (eight years ago)