Pulp: C.L.A.S.S.I.C.O.R.D.U.D?

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It had to be done sometime... or is it not even worth asking on this board? This thread was prompted by someone who told me today that she *hates* "Common People".

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It strikes me as clear that your friend is clearly insane.

Classic, if just for Common People alone. All the rest of it is just dressing. They've done enough top stuff to forgive the crap they did pre-His 'n' Hers, as well. Hell, they'd get classic even if all they ever did was Jarvis's behavior at the Brits re: Michael Jackson.

And they certainly help their case in that Jarvis was also involved in the most fantastic song ever, Set The Controls For The Heart of the Pelvis.

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have you heard the original of "Common People"? Jarvis completely knicked the tune of some dodgy Spanish disco record. Mark Radcliffe used to play it in his shortlived Blackmail Corner. Still, talent borrows and genius steals. And "Common People" is still genius wherever it came from.

Johnathan, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jarvis Cocker nick a tune??? YOU HORRIFY ME. etc.

I remember a great interview with Arab Strap which was all bah we hate Pulp they pretend to be filthy and sordid but they prettify everything, it is WE who are filthy and sordid. So some people don't like them.

Classic. I'll probably get bored later on - well I'm bored now but you know what I mean - and try and explain why a bit more.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Absolute classic. From "My Legendary Girlfriend" through Different Class there is hardly misstep. And even if TIH is spotty, the title track, "Help the Aged" and "The Fear" are classic as well. (and Set the Controls as well, as Ally said!)

scott plagenhoef, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nope don't like them. Too over the top for my liking, I would listen to them on the radio but wouldn't contemplate buying any of their records. I liked the TV show where Jarvis Cocker visited someones house that was covered in mosaics, that's his best work. I can seriously only remember Common People which I think was their stab at a summer athemn like Blur's Boys and Girls. Oh, and Help the Aged, Jarvis on a stair lift. So, dud, too twee and affected and musically not what I would listen to.

james e l, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh, classic. even though i rarely listen to his 'n' hers and can't be bothered with most of the stuff before it and, come to think of it, haven't listened to different class in ages and this is hardcore in even longer...

but still: classic. one of the few bands in these here modern times who never cease to put out something i enjoy. hopefully that streak will continue with the new album -- the live songs i've heard from it, or that are supposed to be from it, anyway, are great but they say that it's never good when it takes a band forever to complete an album and there are stories of the whole thing being scrapped and re-recorded...but they say a lot of things, don't they? besides, scott walker and marianne faithfull attached to the project? how can it go wrong! it's a 60s freak-out party!

fred solinger, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Absoloute bloody classic. even before His 'n' Hers. O.U. anyone? anyone seen them live? they're even better. Plus Jarvis becoming the world's most unlikely sex god was pretty good!

Bill

Bill, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Please could someone explain exactly why Pulp are classic? The DG jury is out on this one, but I feel a DUD verdict coming on, simply because Jarvis is an irritating lanky streak of piss.

DG, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In the UK, Pulp were a classic case of an overexposed band. After all those years of outsiderdom, etc, and some records that I liked, they put out Different Class and become every granny's favourite, Chris Evans' pals, etc etc. And it was kind of hard to like them much after that. I hope that doesn't sound like mere pop snobbery - I don't think that's what I'm talking about. It was more to do with the easy complacency that settled around the band - the way that Absolutely Everyone, from the indie press to the Culture Secretary (or whatever) agreed they were A Good Thing (that Jacko episode was absolutely characteristic here). It was the *consensus* that became stifling. But on top of that, and perhaps more to the point, I think the music went downhill too. I like His'n'Hers all right, plus 'Inside Susan' etc, but not much after 'Common People'.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jarvis Cocker seems obviously classic – an Alan Bennett for our generation – funny, charming, at times incisive, old before his time - except he ends up being too fashionable by half. I fear he may be a Hockney instead. Someone who seemed important once but actually isn’t.

Pulp as a band I think are pretty mediocre to be honest. I wouldn’t care if he dumped them and went to work with someone new. I liked his work with All Seeing Eye musically more than anything Pulp have recorded. So Pulp dud, Jarvis potential classic but too early to call.

Guy, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As with Abba & Duran Duran, unquestionably classic.

The things that some people have been criticizing them for, like the ott factor, are part of what makes their music so good. They're not afraid to go over the top; something they have in common with great pop music. Indie bands tend to try for the "tastefully restrained" approach far too often.

And I don't think there's anything twee about Pulp -- there's a bitterness and desperation that's a subtext to too many of the songs to qualify for that. People tend to play up the lyrics when talking about Pulp, but I think the music is pretty excellent as well. Their sound was always a little too much in love with chart pop and disco to ever fall victim to the grey and plodding behemoth known as Britpop.

AND even if His N Hers, A Different Class and This Is Hardcore were not three of my favorite albums, I am such a pathetic and sad Scott Walker fan that I would immediately rate any band that let him produce their record. ;-)

Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No need for this thread, I thought, then I was amazed how many people came up with the dud argument.

His'n'Hers and Different Class alone are enough: classic. How they redeemed the mid-90s for me; the Pinefox's counter-argument is tempting but a classic misunderstanding of a band through discredit- by-association.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Believe it or not, Pulp once asked me to produce them. Since the demo tape they sent me seemed to consist of a note for note steal of OMD's 'Enola Gay', I passed.

I'm sure the curse of Momus would have put Pulp somewhere between World of Twist and Denim. And Michael Jackson, his sails full of the wind of unchallenged messianic megalomania, would have made five brilliant new pop albums all produced by Cornelius.

Momus, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

World of Twist have cropped up a couple of times recently. Good band, I'm saying.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pulp would have been Classic if they'd split up after _Separations_ and never released another record.

alex thomson, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have this horrible paranoid feeling I'm missing out on something...I dunno, Pulp have just never struck me as being *that* great, but I think I'll have to investigate them further(ie listen to something that isn't 'Different Class'). Mr Cocker does irritate me though, especially those fucking STUPID glasses he wears. HMV, here I come...

DG, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Which glasses, the big black framed ones with clear glass or the big black framed ones with yellowed glass? Both horrendous - does anyone else remember when Damon Albarn and Richey James took to wearing those ghastly things too? Did Jarvis miss the memo that they stopped wearing them?

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

classic. jarvis cocker is a pimp.

ernest, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic - though readily acknowledge foxys views on consensus.

Within two days stevie t mentions the heartstopping 'days in the trees' by Noman and now yous mention the wonderful WORLD OF tWIST, ILILM.

Geordie Racer, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic -- but! When I first heard of them, I was put off for a long while, as the picture of Jarvis in the _Volume_ 1992 issue I read with him in it was vile, and the track ("She's Dead") good but not great. Then I heard _His 'n' Hers_ years later and there we are. Founded the online fan list and everything.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well "She's Dead" is my favourite Pulp song ever and I even like the Freaks album. Anyone who says dud obviously hasn't listened enough! Go and buy "Separations" this instant!

EdwardO, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, I *have* _Separations_ and I've owned it for years. Calm, sir, calm! Embrace it! I enjoy the song now, but not then. Times change. We grow old and die. Robots pick apart our bones and use them for crude weapons. Etc.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That was the first verse of Ned's new song that he's penning for Radiohead, how does everyone like it?

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You forgot the reversed tapes, buried computer noise and 1993 Warp-era drum samples. Other than that, perfect!

"In conclusion/A meaning wasn't had/Reflecting on the situation/Of a problem/Again."

Not appearing on the "Pyramid Song" B-side anytime soon.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well in the U.K.: classic The rest of the world: a massive whatever. Personally is say dud. Except 'Common People' of course, which is undeniable classic. And yes, World of Twist are/were? superior.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

total classic. no argument.

but i almost never play them anymore. somehow, its seems too reminiscent of 1995. it seems almost wrong to play them now, out of that context (speaking subjectively here). this is a shame really, because they are such a classic. i hardly play stereolab any more either.

sometimes bands seems very tied to a particular era, and its difficult to extricate them from that.

everything post-different class is slightly disappointing

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my sister. aged 8. found a world of twist 12" in the basement of her school.

they were good too. regardless of barney sumner's 'we are weird' comments on jukebox jury

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

World Of Twist weren't better than Pulp. But they were really good (the album was a bit patchy though). "The Storm", "Sons Of The Stage", "Sweets" - a complete singles collection* available for under a quid I'd imagine from your local second-hand emporium. Unless you live in America, but then you get to mutter about this really cool band you know that nobody else does. So the trade-off is worth it.

*OK not complete. The "She's A Rainbow" cover is best ignored and I've never, alas, heard "The Sausage".

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Were too! ;) World of Twist are the musical equivalent of the secret handshake with which Reynoldsishtas identify each other, right?

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fucking World of Twist. I'm with Barney.

Snub TV, circa 1990. World of Twist playing 'The Storm' and then being interviewed.

"We definitely see ourselves as a pop band, not rock" says the monkey boy leader. Much nodding of heads from the other band members.

I sit there and think "Yeah yeah, like you're so radical for saying that. God this indieboy pro-pop thing is starting to annoy me"

The funny thing is, looking back I'm not even sure why I thought this. Whose line did I think World of Twist were parroting? It wasn't like I was familiar with early 80s NME rhetoric. How did I get so opinionated so young? Maybe I just thought they'd nicked ideas I'd started to have about pop music and were cross that they'd made a hash of it.

Pulp: CLASSIC by the way, but I completely sympathise with pinefox's attempt to locate his problem with consensus outside the trappings of moronic snobbery. Don't understand why everyone is going on about 'Common People'. If ever there was a song that has been completely newtered through overexposure, that is it. I tend to skip it when I listen to 'Different Class' now.

What I find weird about 'This Is Hardcore' is that it contains perhaps their two finest achievements in the title track and 'The Fear', one pretty good track in 'Help the Aged', and then the rest is just treading water. Seriously, when I first put on the album and heard the opening track, I thought it was going to be the best record ever made. Then that godawful line about sharing the same initials as Jesus came on (is there anything more annoying than when he repeats it at the end of the song in case you didn't catch how clever it was the first time round?) and disillusion set in once more. *sigh*

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

PULP=GREAT - classic.

great to know I'm not the only one to still be into world of twist too - can I be a smartarse and say I've got the "blackpool tower suite" 12"?

norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can see what Gareth means about Pulp seeming tied to their moment, but they still bring back positive memories for me. Being slightly younger than some on this forum, "His'n'Hers" and "Different Class" remind me of the first time pop transcended life for me, and that's never going to seem trapped in a particular place or time.

That said, it's quite a while since I've played any of their albums.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

_tih_ is the only album i've heard. "the fear" and the title track blew me away enough to buy the album. what a disappointment the rest was! i'm glad to know that some pulp fans feel the same way. what's a good album to check out?

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

different class.

intro.

gareth, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm, Different Class I remember as being pretty good, although I haven't listned to it in a couple of years or more since my copy was either stolen or lost. His n Hers has three very good tracks and the rest passes me by. This Is Hardcore was a great single which was criminally undervalued by most people, as far as I could see. I haven't heard much more, so maybe I'm not the best qualified to answer the question. Which is good, cos I don't really have an answer. They are the definition of alright, perhaps.

Ally C, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...
i borrowed the library's copy of _dc_ and fell pathetically in love. i think i've played "disco 2000" 10 times in the past two days. i am an offical anglophile (tm). colonial mentality, i suppose.

and i fantasize about english countrysides when listening to yes, too, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, that's not difficult with a prissy middle-class voice like Jon Anderson ...

(not that anyone I've ever met talks or, indeed, sings like that.)

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
"Party Hard" reminds me quite a lot of Bowie. This is the best band ever, I've slowly decided. This man is dangerous--he just shot his load on your best party frock. Before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide: are you ready to rock?

My god. I'm selling the rest of my CDs and just keeping the Pulp, any bidders?

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I still am bitter that the World of Twist got dragged into this somehow.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to reread the thread later, then. I never minded World of Twist, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"This man is dangerous--he just shot his load on your best party frock. Before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide: are you ready to rock?"

Is this a Pulp lyric? It's amazing whatever it is.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it is from the song "Party Hard".

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is like the greatest song, besides all of Pulp's other songs.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

See, further proof! I don't remember that line at all!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I love it in "Party Hard" when the bassline goes all Duran.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

DURAN! Spencer, I never even thought of that comparison before. Wow.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That IS good. Spencer you genius man, write more music thoughts for FT and everything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
i bought different class in hawaii along with a judy garland and mickey rooney box set

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago)

i listened to it while driving through the crater-like landscapes of the big island

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago)

I bought Max Romeo's "Wet Dream" on CD (on a various artists compilation" at a "Scotch House" tartan/kilts shop on the Eng/Scot border. Most unlikely purchase?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 06:51 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
"we love life" just isn't very good, is it? or amn't i trying hard enough?

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 27 November 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago)

no, you're right. it's pish.

i think.

*damn*, i'm going to have to dig it out and listen again now, just to make sure.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 27 November 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago)

actually, it's not bad so far. it's playing away in the background while i do stuff around the flat (make soup, hang up washing, try to find somewhere to keep all my CDs because my sister-in-law wants her - ahem - "antique" chest of drawers back). indeed, the fourth track, "trees", is rather wonderful.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 27 November 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago)

wow. it's much, much better than i remembered. three stand-out tracks ("the birds in your garden", "bob lind", the aforementioned "trees") and a whole heap of bloody-hell-this-is-good-isn't-it? pulpy angst.

am gonna listen to "hardcore" next. haven't heard that since 1997.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 27 November 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago)

maybe i'll leave it alone for a while and return some years later.

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 27 November 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago)

am gonna listen to "hardcore" next. haven't heard that since 1997.

It didn't even come out till 1998 - this is impressive!

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 27 November 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago)

legs

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Saturday, 27 November 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago)

x-post

good point. i think "1997" has become shorthand for about four years of podding around when i first moved to glasgow. i can no longer differentiate between any of the memories. if it happened when i was living on kent road, my mind has it filed as 1997.

anyway. "hardcore" is disappointing. the first, title and closing tracks are great; the rest has left little impression.

but it's still "trees" i'm humming to myself as i liquidise my soup. (and no, that's not a euphemism.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 27 November 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)

anyway. "hardcore" is disappointing. the first, title and closing tracks are great; the rest has left little impression.

My feelings exactly, still, except I think only the first and title songs are great and I think they're really great, like perhaps the best two songs they ever did. 'Help The Aged' is good too. The rest is meh.

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 27 November 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago)

"This Is Hardcore" is a rare breed -- a "pressures of fame" album which is actually good.

"We Love Life" was a bit of a letdown, but its best tracks (the two-part "Weeds", "Birds in Your Garden", "Sunrise") rank with the band's best.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 27 November 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I bought F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.I.V.E. today on video (how quaint, eh?) at a jumble sale for 50p. I was very pleased with myself.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 27 November 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

(classic, by the way)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 27 November 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

can somebody give me an album order that i should hear for these guys? start from _Different Class_('coz it's the only one i've heard) and go...

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 2 December 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Other than DC and "His N Hers" (i.e. the "famous" albums), Pulp are a fairly dark, twisted band. This other material contrasts very strongly with their more well-known stuff, so be prepared for that.

So after those two (and the EP collection "Intro"), I'd say listen to "This is Hardcore", then "We Love Life", and if you're still with them, jump into the older stuff. "Freaks" is a personal fave of mine -- a disturbing, even gruesome near-classic record. Then grab "Masters of the Universe" (a collection of EPs from around the same time as "Freaks"), then "Separations".

I haven't heard their first album, "It".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 December 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
In honor of today:

I thought that you were joking / When you said "I want to see you
To discuss your contribution / To the future of our nation's heart and soul
Six o'clock, my place, Whitehall" / Well I arrived just after seven
But you said "It doesn't matter" / "I understand your situation
And your image, and I'm flattered / Oh and I'd just like to tell you
That I love all of your albums / Could you sign this for my daughter?
She's in hospital, her name is Miriam / Now get down to the gist:
Do you want a line of this? / Are you a (sniff) / socialist?"
"Doin' fine, yeah! / Buzzin' all the time / Just one hit / And I feel great
And I support / The welfare state / Oh, you must be socialist
'Cos you're always off out on the piss / In your private member's bar
Oh yes you are / Yer superstar / Well you sing about common people
And the mis-shapes and the misfits / So can you bring them to my party
And get them all to sniff this? / And all I'm really saying
Is come on and rock the vote for me / All I'm really saying
Is come on roll up that note for me / The gist of all of this is
Do you want hits or d'you want misses? / Are you a socialist, yeah
Socialist, yeah / Socialist, yeah / Oh yeah"
"Yeah, you can be just what you want to be
Just as long as you don't try to compete with me
And we've waited such a long time
For the chance to help our own kind, so now
Please come on and tow the party line / Oh you owe it to yourself
Don't think of anybody else / And we promise we won't tell
Oh we won't tell, and we won't sell" / No we won't / No we won't
No we won't

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, proof that Nicole is an extremely astute critic, part 254151445, quoted again from upthread:

The things that some people have been criticizing them for, like the ott factor, are part of what makes their music so good. They're not afraid to go over the top; something they have in common with great pop music. Indie bands tend to try for the "tastefully restrained" approach far too often.

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

I want to marry a posh stylist and move to France and make babies (while also soundtracking Harry Potter films).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

And appearing in them, even.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
How essential is this upcoming DVD? Oh, I'd say pretty goddamn fucking essential:

Originally released on VHS in 1996 as F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.I.V.E and 1998 as The Park Is Mine. Two live shows on DVD for the first time.

Features 2 concerts recorded in London (Brixton Academy 1995) and Finsbury Park (1998) plus additional tour documentary from London to Japan. Directed by Rob Hurse and previously only avaialble on a Japanese laser disc. 5.1 Surround sound and dolby stereo.

Region 0, anyone can play it. You have no excuse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Awesome find Ned! I could have sworn when I originally saw this it was coded for Europe only. Great news.

D. Bachyrycz, Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Oh - I was at that Finsbury Park concert. Someone undid my trousers.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

And may I recommend the Pulp HIts DVD to all? It's great; Pulp put some effort into what could have been your typical, boring video collection cash-in and made it a really nice thing to have. Home movies, live version of "59 Lyndhurst Grove"!, etc. Being a Pulp fanatic, I would have liked even more, but very good stuff nonetheless.

D. Bachyrycz, Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Mind you that was seven years ago, and things were very different then.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Does it only cost ten pounds from a shop just down the road?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

I have "The Park Is Mine" on VHS. After I saw that vid, my appreciation for "This Is Hardcore" skyrocketed.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 May 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

DOGS ARE EVERYWHERE

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Sunday, 22 May 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
Nothing new from Pulp, but this is still something I'd like to have:

JARVIS COCKER & STEVE MACKEY The Trip (2006 UK 2-CD album set featuring a
35-track collection compiled by the founder members of Pulp and DJs /
record collectors / music lovers extraordinaire with an amazing journey
through power pop, expansive soundtracks, blues, alternative cover
versions, junk shop breaks and genuinely unexpected musical nuggets!). **
released 06 March 2006 **

CD One:
1. Carl Orff - Gassenhauer
2. The Birthday Party - Release The Bats
3. Porter Wagoner - The Rubber Room
4. Psychic TV - Just Drifting
5. Dory Previn - The Lady With The Braid
6. Bob Lind - Cool Summer
7. Gene Pitney - 24 Sycamore
8. Animated Egg - Sock It My Way
9. The Beach Boys - Feel Flows
10. Bonnie Dobson - Winter's Going
11. Arlo Guthrie - I'm Going Home
12. Bobbie Bare - Don't Think Twice
13. Alan Vega - Jukebox Babe
14. OMD - Waiting For The Man
15. The Human League - Rock N Roll
16. Lieutenant Pigeon - The Villain
17. Add N To (X) - King Wasp
18. The Fall - Lost In Music
19. Moondog - Pastoral

CD Two:
1. Elton Motello - Jet Boy Jet Girl
2. The Polecats - John I'm Only Dancing
3. Electronicat - Wop Do Wop
4. Johnny Wakelin - In Zaire
5. Quixotic - Mortal Mirror
6. Jonathan Richman - Egyptian Reggae
7. Lee Hazelwood - Pour Man
8. Screaming Lord Sutch - Flashing Light
9. John Cooper Clark - Beasley Street
10. David Essex - Rock On
11. Georges De La Rue - Les Visiteurs
12. Sonny Bono - Pammies On A Bummer
13. The Everly Brothers - I Wonder If I Care As Much
14. Dion - Purple Haze
15. Neil Sedaka - Going Nowhere
16. Ronald Binge - Sailing By

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Pulp as of today at.. 9:28pm and at least for the last ten years... CLASSIC!

elgolfo (elgolfo), Friday, 27 January 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

Pammies on a Bummer?? Oh, Jesus.

(I still want this though)

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 27 January 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

the title of this thread deserves some applause.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 27 January 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

Total classic. The band that made my 14 year old self realise the relative mediocrity of Blur and Oasis, and embrace my inner pop slut.
Saw them live twice. Once in the cold and rain of T In the Park 98, doing an awesome This Is Hardcore amidst sepulchral lights, and then at Gig on The Green in Glasgow in 2002, criminally billed below The Strokes (who to their credit acknowledged the injustice. "Jarvis Cocker is the coolest fuckin guy" etc). One of their last shows and a glorious affirmation of their greatness. Few things can be better than dancing to Babies.

stew!, Friday, 27 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...
ok today it hit me that if pulp lyrics were delivered with a more upbeat inflection they could totally be cali skate-punk pop.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

Cause lord knows that's the first music I think of when I listen to "This is Hardcore"...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

I could see "This is Hardcore" being the unironic title of something punk produced.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 28 August 2006 05:50 (eighteen years ago)

Obviously classic, but why is "His'n'Hers" mentioned so rarely these days? I still see it as one of their best albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 August 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

Classic but gathering a lot of dust.
That, of course, might change with all those re-issues.

clodia pulchra (emo by proxy), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

His'N'Hers IS their best album, followed by We Love Life and then This Is Hardcore. Aside from the first four tracks I don't care much for Different Class. The other three are all far more imaginative, interesting albums IMO.

Classic: EVERY SINGLE SONG THEY DID over 5:30 in length (except Sylvia). Check it out, it works. It's how I'd do their Best Of (with Lipgloss and Dishes tacked on perhaps).

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Spanish new romantic disco act Meccano: http://sheckley.tripod.com/Radcliffe/pulpblackmail.mp3

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

X-Post
Hey, "Sylvia" is fantastic! Easily the best song on the entire "This Is Hardcore" album.

But considering you don't like "Different Class" I can understand why you don't like it, as "Sylvia" sounds very much like a "Different Class" track.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Y'see, whereas you probably regard 'Seductive Barry' as a tuneless, overlong dirge, I absolutely adore it, and have even invented the term 'sexscape' to describe its sprawling, claustrophobic eroticism. Your stance is utterly fair enough, though.

Different Class is still a good album. 'I Spy' is the best song on it.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

LOL "I Spy" sounds like a "This Is Hardcore" track. You should investigate Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel unless you have already done. :)

They are of course all great, from "His'n'Hers" onwards, whereas what I've heard of their earlier material is not all that great (well, apart from "Razzmatazz", a fantastic single that for some reason was never included on "His'n'Hers")

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

I usually hate when people are like "NOBODY MENTIONED THIS YET?!?!?!?!" but this thread is over 5 years old, so I guess it won't seem all that weird..

It would appear that "Underwear," which has yet to be mentioned here, is seen as one of their more forgettable tracks or something. It's one of my favorite 90's tracks, and possibly my favorite Pulp song. It is fucking perfect and beautiful, and anyone who thinks differently can eat dicks.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

PTA goes with Underwear.

I think...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost: HAHA! Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel's Greatest Hits album is one of my favourites! Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...

In fact, I'm considering buying some of his albums proper (namely, the first two or three). Mad Mad Moonlight, Judy Teen, Make Me Smile, Psychomodo, Tumbling Down...all quite, quite brilliant slices of pop exuberance.

'Underwear' is the best song on Different Class outside the first 4. Happy now? :-D

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

xxxpost: that link doesn't work for me. I really want to hear it!

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Try it from here then:

Spanish new romantic disco act Meccano:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A7F65B614021A808

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecano

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...
Apparently
Louis = bizarro-Bertie Wooster
Geir = bizarro-Jeeves

My Little Ruud Book (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Dom = bizarro-Aunt Agatha

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

firstly, as you line up with axes to decapitate me i say jarvis an absolute genius (so is russell senior btw) and i single out "babies" + "lipgloss" + "this is hardcore" as the priciple examples. however i always thought and remain of the view that "common people" is utter cack, in fact it makes me cringe somewhat to listen to it.

in his greatest kitchen sink operettes the lyrics are witty, esoteric, original and utterly effortless. "common people" on the other hand is IMO hackneyed, patronising, tryhard, and contrived. yes, i understand it is the protagonist in the story who is mainly the source of the patronising take on the working classes, yet this is exaggerated (and repeated endlessly) becoming increasingly divorced from the ultra-realistic stylings of jarv's best work. it is caricature to an extent where it ceases to be believable; and as a working class boy who went to a posh university i know these people exist, it's just a bit more subtle, insidious, and well...real.

to me CP always smelt of jarv knowingly creating something which would cause a bit of a rumpus and become a hit. in this regard he spectacularly succeeded so fair play to him but i think he is even on record himself as saying it is not among his favourite pulp tracks. the tune is average too, even asuming he didn't rip it off (which frankly i dont care about anyway).

anyhow, thought i'd let it all pour out. i love jarv, i love pulp, but i hate common people.

ok. go on then. do your worst....

edger stewert (edger), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I still like several other Britpop acts better, but Pulp and Suede grow on me over time considerably more than Blur and Oasis do.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

Wow English radio-hosts are as (more?) obnoxious than American ones.

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for that YSI, btw. And yeah it's quite similar in terms of the verse vocal melody.

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

Watch it, that's an ex-member of The Fall you're talking about.

everything (everything), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...
Jarvis' solo record is great. did it get no discussion on ILM? I can't find it if so. It's the best Elvis Costello album in years!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, you're supposed to be praising it, not damning it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

Jarvis' new solo record:

http://www.bobgeldof.info/pictures/deepinthehearcover.jpg

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...
Apparently
Louis = bizarro-Bertie Wooster
Geir = bizarro-Jeeves

-- My Little Ruud Book (louder...), August 29th, 2006.

Dom = bizarro-Aunt Agatha

-- Obvious Ninja (papiermachealamphibia...), August 29th, 2006.

my finest hour

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

'Separations' is actually a really solid album! Just giving it another listen tonight, after it having done nothing for me in the past, and, this sounds really good to me now!

andi, Saturday, 18 August 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago)

every time i listen to "separations" i go WOAH THIS IS ACE ... and then after three songs i kinda switch off and forget what it sounds like.

actually, the same is true of the jarvis solo album. hmm.

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

I'd still like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago)

I coincidentally just bought "This is Hardcore" yesterday and after one listen I really like it a lot. So as of now "We Love Life" > "This is Hardcore" > "Different Class"

Stevie D, Saturday, 18 August 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago)

babies, lipgloss and this is hardcore makes pulp classic. used to like suede more, but the songwriting of jarvis cockers is miles better than gasoline kisses on concrete london skies.

pft, Saturday, 18 August 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

I'd still like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

-- Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:25 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

wow me too.

pisces, Saturday, 18 August 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago)

i always thought it was knicked off of lost in the supermarket by the Clash.

Porkpie, Saturday, 18 August 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago)

Dud. Interesting frontman, but horrible, characterless band.

The music is just polite aural wallpaper that performs its only requisite function of not upstaging the singer.

It reminds me of John Shuttleworth, but without the daring improvisational bits.

PhilK, Saturday, 18 August 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Pulp are my favorite band right now, as of last night, when I spent hours watching live performances (including *the* Glastonbury performance of "Common People") on YouTube. Holy shit-awesome.

J, Sunday, 9 September 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago)

Well yeah, because wasps will just sting you for no reason at all.

MParadis, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZnuBZhvr0

MParadis, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago)

Precisely!

J, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

probably my favourite song of the 90s. and its a bside:

utter classic.

i even like the first mini album It. sounds like Belle & Sebastian's Tigermilk, and it came out before The Smiths had released anything. even Freaks has its good points.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 12 April 2009 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

check out that chord progression/build. up and up and up into epicness. sordid but beautiful. proper desperation and stuff. where the fuck are the british bands making songs like this nowadays?

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 12 April 2009 14:19 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

Jarvis Cocker: 'Pulp could reunite for Glastonbury 2010'

http://www.nme.com/news/pulp/48056

Bee OK, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 00:57 (fifteen years ago)

Jarvis Cocker: 'Pulp have no plans to get back together'

http://www.nme.com/news/pulp/48079

Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

I am putting away money just in case.

I don't care if anyone thinks they are a good live band or not. I really, really regret not finding out for myself when I was younger.

I hope they play somewhere else though.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

classic, different class is a great album

FACK, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

damn, not that i was planning on going or anything but it still was pretty cool news.

i saw Pulp twice and it was an amazing show both times.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 22:57 (fifteen years ago)

94 and 96 LA? With ya there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

i saw the Blur/Pulp thing in Los Angeles in what must have been 1994. I saw them again in San Francisco, when i lived there, in 1996.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

I really, really wanted to go when they toured America behind Different Class but I was only 15 and I probably just wasn't able to arrange it. I wish I had at least gotten the poster from the record store. I still think about it.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 02:04 (fifteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Jarvis Cocker has sparked rumours of a Pulp reunion, saying he'll "think about it a little bit more".

Although Jarvis dismissed rumours Pulp would be performing at next year's Glastonbury Festival, he admitted the furore surrounding these allegations caught his imagination.

He told this week's NME: "I suppose it made me think a little bit - the fact that people did seem interested, that made me think about it a little bit more."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gzJ4xr7xbILGfq1s6QYl47oO4Lpg

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 14:35 (fifteen years ago)

only interested if russell senior is involved

indie spare (electricsound), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

So how about we start rumors about The Smiths headlining and get all rabid so Moz sits up and takes notice?

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

Also we can all wish for a billion, zillion dollars each.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

So, they're reforming?

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

jarvo said on aus telly a week or so ago that they weren't..

mr bollock apple (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

i was surprised at how vitriolic russell was about jarvis's 'pop star' era in a recent interview for a MOJO special. he left because he got sick of all the attention he was getting but reading jarvis's interviews circa the late 90s you'd never have guessed there was any animosity between them. it's true it was never the same when he left, no matter how good some of the tunes were.

piscesx, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://i50.tinypic.com/2lw9i7m.jpg

lol?

Cunga, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

Spanish new romantic disco act Meccano: http://sheckley.tripod.com/Radcliffe/pulpblackmail.mp3
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:43 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

Holy shit, that Meccano song DOES sound a lot like "Common People"!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

They have reformed and will play at the Primavera Sound festival in Barcelona in May 2011.

margana (anagram), Monday, 8 November 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago)

Also Hyde Park in London in July.

margana (anagram), Monday, 8 November 2010 09:45 (fourteen years ago)

Oh that's nice.

Will he have a shave?

Mark G, Monday, 8 November 2010 09:55 (fourteen years ago)

so happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sln6sKCXdg

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 8 November 2010 10:10 (fourteen years ago)

my rule: it's not a reformation unless there's FRESH MATERIAL

acoleuthic, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago)

So, it's a 'reunion' at this point, right?

Mark G, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:15 (fourteen years ago)

the line-up: Nick Banks, Jarvis Cocker, Candida Doyle, Steve Mackey, Russell Senior, Mark Webber

margana (anagram), Monday, 8 November 2010 10:16 (fourteen years ago)

so it doesn't have the most important person

also candida doyle has recovered from her illness? that is nice

acoleuthic, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:18 (fourteen years ago)

so it doesn't have the most important person

which would be who?

de butt album (electricsound), Monday, 8 November 2010 10:18 (fourteen years ago)

oops for some reason i forgot that mark webber was called mark webber, blame the F1 driver

acoleuthic, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:20 (fourteen years ago)

but wait, he didn't play on his'n'hers

my whole world is scrambled

acoleuthic, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:21 (fourteen years ago)

http://ohmars.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/statler-and-waldorf-zzzzz.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^L to R: The Lex, Wheal Dream

Wheal Dream, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:23 (fourteen years ago)

I never saw them first time around but I would see them if they came to my town. I hope this reunion lasts.

margana (anagram), Monday, 8 November 2010 10:27 (fourteen years ago)

Richard Hawley wasn't a member until after "Hardcore", was he?

(xpost nvrmnd)

Mark G, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.acrylicafternoons.com/images/mirror.jpg

piscesx, Monday, 8 November 2010 11:49 (fourteen years ago)

#based front page

Joy Orbison wrapped in clingfilm (DJ Mencap), Monday, 8 November 2010 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

I rather like this cryptic website they've set up.

http://pulppeople.com/faq.php

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 09:55 (fourteen years ago)

Metro this morning said they haven't played for 15 years. Which is odd, cos I could've sworn I saw them a couple of times around 99-01

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 09:58 (fourteen years ago)

This line-up has not played for 15 years.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:00 (fourteen years ago)

Who else left apart from Russell Senior, who isn't even listed as being in the reformed band in Metro?

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:02 (fourteen years ago)

Dunno but they're wrong, he is in this reunion.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:03 (fourteen years ago)

See, I was right, Metro IS wrong.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:05 (fourteen years ago)

There's no way they won't headline Glastonbury next year, right?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:29 (fourteen years ago)

six months pass...

first gig for 9 years tonight in Toulouse apparently. funny place for a comeback. chatter about the gig, setlist etc here:
http://baritalia.activeboard.com/t43039550/spoiler-2505-setlist-in-le-bikini-toulouse/

piscesx, Thursday, 26 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)

That setlist is surprisingly narrow in it's scope. What, 95% His'n'Hers and Different Class?

everything, Thursday, 26 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

So like.. 100% what people want to hear? I kid, I kid. I can't believe Manon didn't make it either.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)

I am so sad that there are people out there getting to see them live and that I'm not one of those people. :(

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)

Agreed.

everything, Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

Me too. I made a joke last night that we should go to Europe and see Pulp for our honeymoond and fiance was like... yeah, no. Then told me *maybe* if Arcade Fire were also there, because he's always trying to get me to turn around on them. Sadly they are together in Ireland a week before his vacation. And he probably wasn't serious anyway. Le sigh!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

two months today until edwardo and I see them in Sydney Sex City!

the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Friday, 27 May 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)

I am working on a placard saying "Play fucking She's Dead, you cunts" as we speak.

I don't wanna be with nobody but boobs. Oh no. (edwardo), Friday, 27 May 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)

(I will send them an A4-size version of this placard to them beforehand, so they can rehearse it first, as it'll be shit otherwise).

I don't wanna be with nobody but boobs. Oh no. (edwardo), Friday, 27 May 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)

It's never coming back to the setlist. Face it. It's gone.

the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Friday, 27 May 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know, I think it's pretty awesome that they played fucking Countdown in their comeback set.

Still, I'll be the one in the crowd at Wireless chanting "Tun-NEL! Tun-NEL!"

Pheeel, Friday, 27 May 2011 08:29 (fourteen years ago)

Even better, "Silence".

I don't wanna be with nobody but boobs. Oh no. (edwardo), Friday, 27 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)

two months today until edwardo and I see them in Sydney Sex City!

― the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

hate u

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 27 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Gel56Rwzo&feature=player_embedded

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 27 May 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)

Was going to say/ask:

Has Jarvis lost the bins/had a shave for this?

Mark G, Friday, 27 May 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

All these big festivals are fine but now it’s time to take things indoors ...
We’re very excited to announce a show of our own at
London’s O2 Brixton Academy on Wednesday 31 August 2011.

James Mitchell, Monday, 4 July 2011 10:42 (thirteen years ago)

There'll be three or four more of them announced when Brixton sells out in 30 seconds.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 July 2011 11:27 (thirteen years ago)

weird that yesterday didn't sell out at all though.

Upt0eleven, Monday, 4 July 2011 11:27 (thirteen years ago)

Text received last night:

"Watchinbg Pulp at Wireless. It's 'Different Class' plus other bits :( "

I concur... 'Different Class' put me off them completely after adoring 'His 'n' Hers'..which I still adore. I barely checked 'This Is Hardcore' but I did buy 'We Love Life' which I'm kind of meh about (and not on my own, I guess).

Not tempted by the reformation shows..and if they're doing mostly DC...I'd not be arsed at festivals either.

XP

Not that weird when you consider how damn expensive it was.

One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 4 July 2011 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

went yesterday, & they sounded *great* but yes - too expensive, too much different class & too many drunken festival packs just out for a push and shout in a park.

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 4 July 2011 11:39 (thirteen years ago)

Hmm. I didn't think the crowd was as bad as for Blur two years ago. Not quite so aggressively lary at least.

Pheeel, Monday, 4 July 2011 11:55 (thirteen years ago)

Where I was they weren't aggressive but fucking annoying. Singing along where appropriate is one thing, but accompanying every line (including instrumental parts) with high pitched yapping is quite another. Much more civilised crowd when I saw them in Barcelona.

Personally think 55 quid for a day ticket to a festival isn't too unreasonable.

Upt0eleven, Monday, 4 July 2011 12:06 (thirteen years ago)

Personally think 55 quid for a day ticket to a festival isn't too unreasonable.

Maybe. Day festivals tend to pitch lower than that I think don't they? Isn't Field Day about £30?

I smirked at a friend's comments yesterday:

Today Pulp are playing Hyde Park, in association with Barclaycard. £55.25 not including booking fee for the common people

Or £155.00 for the less common people. For this you get a private entrance away from the scum, a chill-out area and hot & cold BBQ platters

If you're not common at all, VIP tickets are £235.00. For this you also get a private bar and a special grandstand viewing area.

And from there, you can sing along: "you will never understand how it feels to live your lives with no meaning or control..."

One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 4 July 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago)

They get to sing along with the common people...

Mark G, Monday, 4 July 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago)

Heh, they can do role playing between the areas. Awesome.

One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 4 July 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago)

That "VIP" enclosure towered over the area for disabled people, which I thought was a lovely touch.

Neil S, Monday, 4 July 2011 12:45 (thirteen years ago)

Not tempted by the reformation shows..and if they're doing mostly DC...I'd not be arsed at festivals either.

Russell's not coming to Australia, so be interesting to see if they play more Hardcore/Love tracks here.

They're also doing their only other two non-festival shows apart from the warm-up, so hoping very hard that they do the amount of pre-DC stuff from that setlist...

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Monday, 4 July 2011 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

Field Day may be cheaper but it doesn't have headliners of the same level and is by all accounts the worst organised festival in Britain.

Heavily-skewed towards Different Class (and to a lesser extent His N Hers) but if you're going to play a limited number of comeback shows then why not draw heavily from the records people love the most?

Actually the epic This Is Hardcore -> Sunrise was one of the best bits about last night but I can't claim that I was holding out for much more from the last couple of albums.

Crowd were fine from where I was standing.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:07 (thirteen years ago)

If you're not common at all, VIP tickets are £235.00. For this you also get a private bar and a special grandstand viewing area.

Was quite amusing to hear people singing "shit ground no fans" at that area.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago)

Hmm. I didn't think the crowd was as bad as for Blur two years ago. Not quite so aggressively lary at least.

Didn't see Blur, so that's v possible, and I think maybe I was a bit unlucky with geezer-packs. Enjoyed it once we'd manouevred away a bit.

& upt011 otm, worst for me was a deafening version of Something Changed (verse, chorus, breaks) shrieked behind my left ear.

£55 is ok for a big-name day festival I guess (Field Day is £40) – I was just v hesitant to buy and grouchy because I was basically treating it as a one-band big gig.

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago)

Just to sicken all of you folk who went to wireless, amazingly I saw them last week at the St Martins College closing party, they played unnanounced in the common room in front of a few hundred. Was insane, one of the most magical gigs ive been at.
'
All the London summer day fests are horrible, its all a bit 'dave from accounts has had an e'. Field day should be half the size and have half as many folk playing as its ran by chancers, i spent all of last year sitting outside tents struggling to hear what was going on. There was also about twice as many people there than there should be last year, the door staff were taking peoples tickets and touting them out the front

straightola, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago)

To be fair to Pulp, that VIP business, loathsome though it is, is standard for Wireless so I doubt the band had any say over it. Hyde Park events always have a high chattering-twat quota, getting worse with certain bands. I had to see Kings of Leon there for work and it was a real come-Armageddon-come moment.

Was it only Sunrise and This Is Hardcore from the last two albums? Love Sunrise - saw them on the We Love Life tour when they were also playing a krauted-up version of Common People and that was the highlight.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago)

Yup, just those two. The rest of it was most of Different Class (+ Do You Remember The First Time, Babies, Pink Glove, Mile End).

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:53 (thirteen years ago)

OMG YOU PEOPLE GOT TO SEE PULP STOP COMPLAINING AND SHUT UP.

I am so jealous.

:(

hmpf

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago)

ha! ok fair enough.

though we can all unite in jealousy at straightola.

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago)

xpost
twice iirc.

and as they're now playing at the bottom of my road at the end of august, i'll prob go to that as well. if i've nothing else on.

Upt0eleven, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:58 (thirteen years ago)

hate u

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah ignore the whingers, gig was amazing. It's not even like the crowd was particularly dense so if ppl were being knobs I'm sure you could've moved.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago)

OMG YOU PEOPLE GOT TO SEE PULP STOP COMPLAINING AND SHUT UP.

I am so jealous.

:(

hmpf

― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:55 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^ This - I've already missed my chance this summer :-(

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago)

:(

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago)

that is, i was there in body but not in spirit as I spent nearly the whole of their Primavera set queuing for water for sunstroked g/f.

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

humph!

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, i've been venting but nob-force were escapable & took up <10% of my time - it was great, & i was in a total transport of joy at various points. Sorry enbb

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago)

Seriously guys, we North Americans will KICK YOUR ASSES :)

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago)

stfu, they toured America heaps of times

come oonnnn

2nd set

1. O.U. (Gone, Gone)
2. Countdown
3. Joyriders
4. His 'n' Hers
5. Acrylic Afternoons
6. Mis-Shapes

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:11 (thirteen years ago)

I came late to the party (1996) but I can only think of ~one~ time I was able to see them in Toronto (if bands come to Canada, 95% of the time there is a Toronto stop). I had to go to Reading to see them!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago)

I thought they only toured America three times (and made it to the West Coast only twice -- 94, opening for Blur, 96, small club show).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 July 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah the Toronto show I saw would have been.. 98? Man, opening for Blur, that would have been my dream show. Alas.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

oh man at least you got to see them

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

We'll use Mind Powers to get them back on our continent. COME, PULP, COME!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago)

YES!!

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

Man, opening for Blur, that would have been my dream show. Alas.

Pulp blew 'em off the stage that night for sure. I still remember Jarvis introducing this new song of theirs and six minutes later after "Common People" ended the room was practically exploding. (This would have been about six months prior to the single release.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 July 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

I thought they only toured America three times

300% is heaps more in my book

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Monday, 4 July 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago)

Ned, I could definitely see it. Damon was a fairly entertaining frontman but Jarvis was a MASTER, I can definitely imagine them blowing Blur away.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 4 July 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago)

This is reminding me to check out more Pulp besides the HNH/DC/TIH triumverate. I used to have a comp of early stuff on a taped library copy - this was YEARS ago now. Also We Love Life is supposedly ace according to my mate.

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Monday, 4 July 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago)

Yes WLL is excellent IMO, Scott Walker's production is immaculate.

Neil S, Monday, 4 July 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago)

I played it a lot at the time, yes.

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

The last time they played the States was 1998...13 years...entire generations (like me) have grown up, gone to college, discovered Pulp, lived their lives, etc. in that time period...would murder to see them live. Saw Jarvis solo once and it was spectacular, but clearly a shadow of what it could/should have been. Seems ludicrous a band of that size/influence only played in America a handful of times.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 06:03 (thirteen years ago)

Back in the day Jarvis said it was a waste of time touring as a niche band in the US/Canada when they could be playing to tens of thousands back home/doing tv shows etc.

everything, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago)

And if I recall correctly, he had put a limit on how many gigs he was willing to do on a tour here. Something like five shows. That made it financially unsupportable.

everything, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

last night they opened with: Do You Remember, Countdown, Lipgloss, OU (Gone Gone), Have You Seen Her Lately

I was pretty excited. Pulp are the best band of all the bands.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 1 September 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago)

Very classic last night. The final pre-encore stretch of Babies, This Is Hardcore, Sunrise, Bar Italia and Common People was astounding (the middle three all, I realised, about the consequences of hedonism). Despite all the funny between-song chat, what strikes me now, far more than in the 90s, is the jealousy, revenge and all-round emotional desperation rather than the wit. The atmosphere was celebratory but the songs are fraught and sinister. They felt necessary, which is how any worthwhile reunion should feel.

Also liked Jarvis introducing Common People with Eldridge Cleaver's problem/solution quote because it was Cleaver's birthday yesterday.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 1 September 2011 09:49 (thirteen years ago)

I'm still so jealous of all of you who got to see Pulp this year.

Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Thursday, 1 September 2011 10:25 (thirteen years ago)

Have they ever played Dogs Are Everywhere live this reunion? I love that.

Sonny Chevrotain (dog latin), Thursday, 1 September 2011 10:26 (thirteen years ago)

Argh, so they played all the relatively rare stuff at the Brixton shows, that they played in Toulouse and dropped afterwards? I saw them at Primavera and it was just all the more obvious stuff.

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:24 (thirteen years ago)

So much for me seeing the 'last ever' performance of 'O.U.' at Leeds Roundhay Park in 1995. ;(

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago)

ARGHGHGHGH I should have gone.

DYRTFT?
Countdown
Lip Gloss
OU
Have You Seen Her Lately?
Something Changed
Disco 2000
Sorted
Wickerman
Bad Cover Version
Babies
Underwear
This is Hardcore
Sunrise
Bar Italia
Common People

Encore

Razzmatazz
Mis-shapes

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago)

Could still go tonight? I'm tempted.

Upt0eleven, Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:46 (thirteen years ago)

Saw the show at wireless and then last night at Brixton. So glad they varied the setlists for these.

If you're wondering whether to go tonight, just go. I would try again, but my body says otherwise.

jellybean (back again) (Jill), Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:58 (thirteen years ago)

GAAHHH they didn't play OU or Countdown in Sydney despite advertising (like, literally, in the print ads) that they would be playing songs from all eras of the band

not sure if they played Razzamatazz either

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Thursday, 1 September 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

or "Everybody's Problem"...

Mark G, Thursday, 1 September 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago)

They didn't do Razzmatazz in Sydney, because I don't remember spontaneously orgasming on the night.

unskinny blap (edwardo), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

Really interesting seeing them last night with DL's insights in mind. Very different to the other occasions I've seen them this summer; being just them and being in an inside venue. Loved that Richard Hawley was there and loved that they played Trees.

Do You Remember the First Time?
Monday Morning
Razzmatazz
The Trees
The Fear
Lipgloss
Something Changed
Disco 2000
Sorted For E's & Wizz
Sheffield:Sex City
Babies
Live Bed Show
This Is Hardcore
Sunrise
Bar Italia
Common People

Encore:
Party Hard
Countdown
Mis-Shapes

Encore 2:
Wickerman

Upt0eleven, Friday, 2 September 2011 09:00 (thirteen years ago)

Sheffield:Sex City

FUCK YOU ENGLAND

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 2 September 2011 11:52 (thirteen years ago)

Somewhere in Toronto, a too-tall redhead is crying.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 2 September 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago)

Loads more post-Senior stuff coming into the sets.

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Friday, 2 September 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago)

AMERICA

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago)

noted a difference between primavera and now was that Russell didn't leave the set during Sunrise...can't remember if he did during Hardcore.

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago)

Hey it would be really cool if Pulp curated an ATP in the states...right, right? That would be pretty cool...

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago)

yep that would be a dream come true for me personally.

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago)

Senior came back on for outro of Sunrise both at Primavera and at Reading the other day.

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago)

Apparently he played violin on 'Wickerman' at Brixton too. OOOOh.

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Friday, 2 September 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago)

four months pass...

RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL. April 11. Tempted.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 23 January 2012 13:40 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Just listened to We Love Life for the first time in absolutely ages... that outro to 'Sunrise' gets me every fucking time.

zip-a-dee-doo-dah, motherfucker! (Turrican), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago)

four months pass...

And from me today in the Quietus...

http://thequietus.com/articles/14998-pulp-his-n-hers-review-anniversary

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

thanks for that Ned. 20 years hard to believe but will admit that i didn't get it until after their next album.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:25 (eleven years ago)

NB: Please do not read the ilx whilst listening to the recordings.

Kilgore Haggard Replica (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:37 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

Saw the (world premiere of, apparently) the new doco at the Sydney Film Festival on Saturday night. Hadn't known until the opening titles that Russell properly left during the reunion, not just skipping the long-flight legs. It's a good movie, but isn't really about the band, at all; more about what it's like for the city of Sheffield to have the homecoming/farewell show of one of their best known bands taking place.

rage against martin sheen (sic), Thursday, 12 June 2014 03:56 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

holy shit. looks amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lZHF01A_o

piscesx, Saturday, 28 June 2014 03:20 (ten years ago)

four months pass...

what do we think about this

a total laugh package (s.clover), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:16 (ten years ago)

This needs more Pulp and less kids reactions/random English fans/dance teams rehearsing/etc.

Also the opening mix of the live "Common People" sounds like it was performed on a Casio in a drain pipe.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:09 (ten years ago)

Is there an actual Pulp documentary out there? Like w footage of music videos and performances?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:11 (ten years ago)

it's brilliant this, way better than the recent hyped up pop/rock docs (Made Of Stone, Shut Up And Play The Hits etc)

there's a ton of other Pulp stuff; mini-docs etc. check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4fIxPQBvc

piscesx, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:16 (ten years ago)

this new doc was utterly routine save for the kid in the DUDE shirt

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:49 (ten years ago)

Classic, for 'Babies' and 'Common People'.

That's all I need by them

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 11:52 (ten years ago)

pulp have a lot going on and this docu reduces it all down to some v. obv elements of 'different class' -- like it would go well with some town full of laid off miner strippers and a boy who wants to dance and idk something about football?

a total laugh package (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:55 (ten years ago)

one month passes...
two years pass...

Christ, Freaks is such a strange record... on one hand, you can hear a very rough version of the band that they would eventually become but on the other, there's these bizarre tracks that are reminiscent of early Gorky's Zygotic Mynci(!) ... Jarvis' fake Morrissey vibrato on this record is hilarious, too.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:01 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

Listening to Different Class right now for the first time in a long time, and while the likes of 'Common People' and 'Disco 2000' are starting to feel relatively fresh to my ears these days (they were both inescapable in the mid '90s), the tracks that are grabbing me this time around are the lesser cited deep cuts like 'Live Bed Show' and 'Underwear' ... I remember thinking at the time that 'Something Changed' was my least favourite of the singles released from this album, but now it's one of my absolute favourites, and 'F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E' sounds as great as ever.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:44 (seven years ago)

Underwear is quite possibly their best song. Live 105 in the Bay Area gave it steady rotation in the fall of ‘95. First song that turned me onto Pulp.

LimbsKing, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:54 (seven years ago)

That's incredible! It wasn't released as a single here or anything, and I think half the album (or something like that) had been released as a single by the time it had run its course.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:31 (seven years ago)

It was a b-side of Common People fwiw

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:48 (seven years ago)

Different Class is perfect, just a towering achievement in songwriting. My only complaint is that "I Spy" might be a little too long? I don't know, that's really nitpicking.

On a theory note, these guys really love the IV-iv turnaround.

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:56 (seven years ago)

Something I wrote about Underwear a couple of years back, with links to various live versions, etc. - https://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/underwear/

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:58 (seven years ago)

aaah I haven't listened to this album in years. It reminds me so much of trips to London, hanging around in bars and clubs circa 96...
I think I remember passing in front of Bar Italia !
Anyway, I would have to listen to it again but iirc it was such a great album.
I remember particularly liking "E's & Wizz" and the over the top disco moment in "I Spy" !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 08:28 (seven years ago)

When I heard 'Disco 2000' last night, I was amazed at just how well it slotted in with all the new wave/synthpop I've been listening to a lot over the last few years. If I'd never heard the song before and you told me it had been released anywhere between 1977 and 1983 instead of 1995, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:50 (seven years ago)

If it weren't for the lyrics, you could convince me that Disco 2000 came out last week

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:47 (seven years ago)

disco 2000 doesn't sound like it was recorded in the early 80s wtf are you talking about turrican

the drum sound, the guitar tone, the clarity...

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:06 (seven years ago)

voodoo chilli otm, tho

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:07 (seven years ago)

i mean, i guess its not that far off from a de-funkified "my own way", but it sounds totally un-80s imo

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:08 (seven years ago)

defunkified "my own way" in terms of the beat or whatever

nevermind me, no reponse necc, i don't care anymore

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:08 (seven years ago)

It's okay, I didn't in the first place. You're wrong, anyway.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:32 (seven years ago)

In fact, generally speaking that particular era of UK guitar music were more influenced by the late '70s and early '80s than the '60s, which is what everyone seems to think. Aside from Oasis, whose influences are more early-mid '70s. There's more "'80s" in Pulp and Blur than folks realise or want to admit.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:41 (seven years ago)

Those cowards who don't dare to point out that britpop had influences that they freely admit in interviews

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:05 (seven years ago)

*britpop bands

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:05 (seven years ago)

Pulp formed in the 70s and active for the whole of the 80s so what are you on about?

everything, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:21 (seven years ago)

^ is implying that It sounds like Different Class or His 'n' Hers, when it doesn't.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:54 (seven years ago)

Oh, and Britpop didn't exist.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:55 (seven years ago)

Also, Wings are influenced by the 60s

everything, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:01 (seven years ago)

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:03 (seven years ago)

Yes, Wings are influenced by the '60s - thanks for that, Captain Obvious.

Pulp's early '80s work, although Cocker's voice is in place from the off, has a very different set of influences. It comes from a different place than the work which actually defines them.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:08 (seven years ago)

Disco 2000 seems like it was heavily influenced by Denim's 1st album especially "I'm Against the 80s" & "Here is my Song for Europe".

everything, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:24 (seven years ago)

sounds like mid period Jimmy Eat World iirc

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 November 2017 08:29 (seven years ago)

Disco 2000 is about 50% Gloria by Laura Branigan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355Fk8drgZE

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:22 (seven years ago)

ahah otm re : Laura Branigan !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:30 (seven years ago)

also I agree that mid90s brit guitar pop was more influenced by 70s and 80s bands and sounds than 60s.
as for "Different Class". I listened to it yesterday following this thread.
Actually, although they're great, I don't think I need to hear "Common People", "Disco 2000" and most of the rest again.
I still enjoy "Es&Wizz" and "Underwear". Also agree that "Live Bed Show", which I never particularly liked, might be the one I find the most interesting now.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:35 (seven years ago)

woah is she wearing a lightning bolt belt in that video? so cool!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:42 (seven years ago)

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's nothing new under the sun, asshole

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:48 (seven years ago)

obviously "Disco 2000" is influenced by the 70s, it has the word "Disco" in the title fergodsake

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:50 (seven years ago)

^ Wow, check out this charmer!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 16:25 (seven years ago)

turrican, you have a tendency to point out the most obvious of musical observations and present them as if you have some sort of special listening ability that makes your judgment superior to everybody else's. please stop.

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:03 (seven years ago)

most people on this board can discuss music without intimating that everyone who doesn't share their every opinion is a dullard

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:06 (seven years ago)

Brimstead stated that he couldn't understand what I was getting at and I explained it. Cue your howl of pain. This could have potentially have blossomed into a great discussion about a band we all like, but you and brimstead clearly can't help yourselves, it seems.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:14 (seven years ago)

Anyway, to steer us away from this nonsense, I listened to This is Hardcore earlier and 'The Day After The Revolution' completely blew me away. Maybe it would have benefitted from being a couple of songs shorter, but I can't decide which ones... all the ones that tend to get cited as lesser moments: 'Sylvia', 'I'm a Man', 'TV Movie', 'A Little Soul' are ones that I still really like a lot.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:18 (seven years ago)

'Seductive Barry' surely must be one of the best things this band have ever done...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:19 (seven years ago)

what
is
this
feeling called challops

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:23 (seven years ago)

sorry couldn't resist, but i totally disagree about Seductive Barry, which is overwrought even by the standards of an intentionally (and often blissfully) indulgent album like This Is Hardcore

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:24 (seven years ago)

three years pass...

I hadn't heard it since I was about 15, but I've had "Babies" stuck in my head for a few days, so I popped on the record today, and Christ, I forgot how brilliant this song is.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:31 (four years ago)

I was pretty obsessed with this is hardcore in the spring of 2002 but “seductive barry” did absolutely nothing for me

brimstead, Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:50 (four years ago)

one year passes...

So then... https://www.nme.com/news/music/jarvis-cocker-confirms-pulp-reunion-shows-for-2023-3276640

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 25 July 2022 21:08 (two years ago)

Now we have another reunion all I want for is a hardback publication of Turrican arguments

PaulTMA, Monday, 25 July 2022 22:09 (two years ago)

five months pass...

Quick heads up, Jarvis' book 'Good Pop Bad Pop' is on Kindle at the moment for £1

MaresNest, Saturday, 31 December 2022 20:03 (two years ago)

I enjoyed listening to him read it when it was serialised on radio 4 but not enough to actually buy it.

oscar bravo, Saturday, 31 December 2022 21:22 (two years ago)

two months pass...

:(

Our beloved friend & bass player Steve Mackey passed away this morning. Our thoughts are with his family & loved ones. Safe travels, Steve.
We hope to catch up with you one day. All our love xx pic.twitter.com/pickNV56Nl

— Pulp (@welovepulp) March 2, 2023

lord of the rongs (anagram), Thursday, 2 March 2023 15:15 (two years ago)

This is garbage news. I knew Steve real well and he was the absolute best most shining positive force you could ever imagine

lurching toward (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:08 (two years ago)

:(

Wile E. Galore (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:09 (two years ago)

I don't think I ever registered what he looked like, but loving these pictures I have been seeing of him just now.

Wile E. Galore (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:10 (two years ago)

This is garbage news. I knew Steve real well and he was the absolute best most shining positive force you could ever imagine

i was privileged to know him too and he absolutely was. Such shite news!

stirmonster, Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:12 (two years ago)

Ugh. This sucks.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:16 (two years ago)

That’s exactly it. I feel so privileged to have known the guy. Impressive CV aside he was just this magic dude. He was one of two people I gave full unconditional access to all my orchestral stems for his usage on whatever he liked. I really loved this guy. Never had lunch with him without feeling like I walked away with some lesson learned or some great advice

lurching toward (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:27 (two years ago)

meant to post this here rather than the obit thread, sorry. just makes me love the guy even more.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqdhX05X/20230302-161904.jpg

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:28 (two years ago)

I knew and liked him a lot in the wayback years, hadn’t seen him since he produced Galang (the odd private view non-withstanding) and I’m so devastated for his family and close friends.

steely flan (suzy), Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:58 (two years ago)

Just rotten. What a perfect key element for that band, always an anchor but never a weight.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 March 2023 17:02 (two years ago)

Jarvis & Steve were in many ways the core duo of 90s Pulp, and he was the only member of the band on Jarvis's solo LPs, a real loss musically as well as a lovely guy.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 2 March 2023 17:08 (two years ago)

I made a mix of some of Steve's best work, both in Pulp and as a writer/producer/remixer. Mixcloud wouldn't let me publish (too many tracks by one artist) so here it is instead:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/79493909

0:00:00 Pulp - My Legendary Girlfriend (BBC Soundcheck)
0:04:23 Pulp - Styloroc (Nites of Suburbia)
0:07:28 Pulp - Acrylic Afternoons
0:11:07 Pulp - His 'n' Hers
0:17:20 Pulp - Street Lites
0:23:07 Pulp - Party Hard
0:27:03 Pulp - After You
0:32:12 The Chocolate Layers - That Boy's Evil
0:37:34 M.I.A. - Galang (Cavemen Remix)
0:41:26 Dark Globe - Break My World (Fat Truckers & Steve Mackey Extended Mix)
0:45:37 Kelis - Bossy (Cavemen Remix)
0:48:57 Cornershop - Topknot (Caveman Remix ft. M.I.A.)
0:52:06 Death In Vegas - Dirge (Cossack Apocalypse Mix)
0:55:46 Black Box Recorder - The Facts of Life (Chocolate Layers Remix)
1:01:58 Looper - Up A Tree Again (Chocolate Layers' St. John's Ambulance Remix)
1:05:11 The Nu Forest - I Picked a Flower
1:08:40 Marianne Faithful - Sliding Through Life on Charm (ft. Jarvis Cocker)

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 3 March 2023 09:28 (two years ago)

three months pass...

Wonder why there is a screenshot of live Pulp performance in the middle of Hitchcock/Truffaut.

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 June 2023 11:49 (two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Saw them at Finsbury Park last night - despite the absences, they're sounding incredible. I've missed them.

woof, Sunday, 2 July 2023 13:10 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

They played A New One at the second Sheffield show, it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYeeFKvwJo

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 27 July 2023 22:10 (one year ago)

six months pass...

It's a curious article.

djh, Sunday, 11 February 2024 18:47 (one year ago)

one month passes...

We got North American tour dates!

Tickets for the shows will go on sale this week.

Fans can sign up for Pulp’s pre-sale by joining the band’s mailing via https://WeLovePulp.info before midnight PDT on Monday, 18 March. All those who do, will be sent a link and password to use when tickets go on sale on a first come, first served basis at 10am (local time to each venue) on Tuesday, 19 March.

Tickets will then go on general sale on Friday, 22 March at 10am – again all times are local to the venue. The tour dates are:

Sunday, September 8 Chicago Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom

Tuesday, September 10 Toronto HISTORY

Friday, September 13 Brooklyn, NY Kings Theatre

Monday, September 16 San Francisco Bill Graham Civic Auditorium

Wednesday, September 18 Los Angeles Hollywood Palladium

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 March 2024 15:17 (one year ago)

Wow, I might have to go to that Hollywood show.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 01:44 (one year ago)

Got tickets for Toronto! Thank you for alerting me, Ned!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:14 (one year ago)

tickets for Toronto were sold out in like a minute, got a ticket in my basket then as it was loading it was gone

Ticketmaster can eat my unwiped shitstained asshole

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:21 (one year ago)

Well there'll be other chances later in the week at least!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:27 (one year ago)

Kings Theatre in Brooklyn (the NY stop on the tour) dropped Ticketmaster. Things moved slowly on their system, but was able to get good tickets, and fees lower than Ticketmaster scum would have charged.

bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:30 (one year ago)

That’s really nice. Paid $30 in fees on each ticket. Hope you’re lucky with the general sale Murgatroid

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 16:13 (one year ago)

The seating options you selected aren't available due to the ticket quantity or filter you applied. Please try adjusting the number of tickets selected or use the seat map to search for available seats.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:07 (one year ago)

I went on right at 10:00 with the correct presale code but couldn't even get in.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:09 (one year ago)

Oof, sucks to hear. In contrast SF went crazy smoothly! Got a floor/GA spot, all good.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:12 (one year ago)

So I got in after typings that out but like Murgatroid was timed out. Now they say no tickets left.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:17 (one year ago)

Kings Theatre in Brooklyn (the NY stop on the tour) dropped Ticketmaster.

Their seat selection system stresses me out, especially on a phone. But I got mine.

early rejecter, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:22 (one year ago)

damn, i missed the memo about the mailing list so no artist pre-sale for me.

gotta listen to a bunch of pulp on spotify to day and hope to get that pre-sale code.

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

https://thescenestar.typepad.com/ss/2024/03/pulp-schedule-a-show-at-the-hollywood-palladium.html

There will be an artist presale taking place on Tuesday, March 19, at 10 a.m. Code: BRAVO.

You can also get your tickets early via a Live Nation presale on Wednesday, March 20, at 8 a.m. Code: KEY.

Spotify will also have a presale on Wednesday, March 20, at 10 a.m.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:39 (one year ago)

Got a pair for Toronto, but only after trying nonstop for 15 minutes. Like Murgatroid I had some in my basket, went to pay, and they were suddenly gone. Was about to give up and refreshed another 10 times or so and got in, this time it worked. No rhyme or reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

KPH, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

Aw darn my ex works for live nation and I was excited to come share the code! Alas!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 23:40 (one year ago)

I'd love the Spotify presale code

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:35 (one year ago)

I don’t have a Spotify ex :/

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 10:37 (one year ago)

Extra shows announced for Toronto, Brooklyn and LA, presales today at 11 am local time.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 14:07 (one year ago)

got tix for kings on 9/14

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 15:40 (one year ago)

got a ticket for 9/11 yeahhhhhhh

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 16:39 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

One more show announced! Hollywood Forever Cemetery, Sat Sept 21, on sale Friday 10 am

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2024 16:19 (one year ago)

five months pass...

New song called Spike Island (from the Chicago gig)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImtVcUPXDxQ

jbn, Monday, 9 September 2024 19:18 (nine months ago)

I would have loved them to play a b-side like "Your Sister's Clothes" or "His 'n' Hers" but that's not a complaint, considering I never thought I'd see Pulp live (I was 12 in 1996, when they last played here). Feels slightly surreal to have seen Pulp and Suede in the last 12 months, both bands I figured would never come here again.

blatherskite, Monday, 9 September 2024 21:04 (nine months ago)

I’m so excited for Toronto tomorrow! Might go solo on Wednesday too if there’s any cheap last minute tickets available

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 9 September 2024 21:28 (nine months ago)

seeing them on Wednesday with some of my best friends that I haven't been to a show with in like 5-6 years

Murgatroid, Monday, 9 September 2024 22:09 (nine months ago)

I completely missed that they were touring the US so thanks for the bump. I just copped relatively reasonable resale tickets for this Saturday in Brooklyn and I am now stupidly hyped.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Tuesday, 10 September 2024 02:43 (nine months ago)

i will also be there that night *salute emoji*

hott ogo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 September 2024 16:25 (nine months ago)

Debut of another new song, this one called "My Sex"
According to a pulp chile account on instagram this is the fifth new song they've debuted in the last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YYUEhooA5E

jbn, Wednesday, 11 September 2024 15:59 (nine months ago)

I guess at this rate we are getting a new album. I wasn't necessarily thinking we would!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 September 2024 18:16 (nine months ago)

yeah this tour did feel like it would be self contained, but at this rate i think new album + MORE TOUR is almost a certainty

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 11 September 2024 18:22 (nine months ago)

My childhood friend’s partner is the cousin of their replacement bassist so after a well timed joke/inquiry guess who’s got two thumbs, speaks limited French, and is on the guest list for tonight! 🤘

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 12 September 2024 00:02 (nine months ago)

Ha, amazing!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 September 2024 00:30 (nine months ago)

Cool!

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 September 2024 00:32 (nine months ago)

Anyone looking for a ticket for this Friday’s show in Brooklyn? Would rather sell to a fan here for face value ($95, section 6) than go the StubHub route.

early rejecter, Thursday, 12 September 2024 00:35 (nine months ago)

Chicago show was really fun and worth the travel. They were kind to come back out for "Spike Island," the crowd was already flooding away after the first encore (then came flooding back)

moral ziosk (geoffreyess), Thursday, 12 September 2024 02:19 (nine months ago)

We got Spike island as well tonight (I think that’s what he said it was) so new song count still stands at 5. Lipgloss last night was subbed in for - very exciting to me - OU (Gone Gone)

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 12 September 2024 06:02 (nine months ago)

WHAT A BAND. WHAT A FRONTMAN.

Murgatroid, Thursday, 12 September 2024 06:30 (nine months ago)

Yes!!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 12 September 2024 06:33 (nine months ago)

one of the best shows I've been to by far

Murgatroid, Thursday, 12 September 2024 06:35 (nine months ago)

I completely missed that they were touring the US so thanks for the bump. I just copped relatively reasonable resale tickets for this Saturday in Brooklyn and I am now stupidly hyped.

― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Monday, September 9, 2024 10:43 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Going to see them tonight in Brooklyn and I am also in the "stupidly hyped" bracket. Hoping for O.U. and/or Lipgloss in the set, but will be happy with whatever they do.

Position Position, Friday, 13 September 2024 19:20 (eight months ago)

Anyone else going to SF shows?

sarahell, Friday, 13 September 2024 20:20 (eight months ago)

Why yes, but you've reminded me that for very obvious reasons you've probably missed the FB thread I've got going.

Meetup beforehand at Anina, a few blocks away -- outdoor seating, which is the whole idea:

https://www.aninasf.com/

Only snacks, so eat beforehand, but non-alcoholic options too. I'll be there between 5:30 to 6.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 September 2024 21:31 (eight months ago)

I might have to go to this, tho tickets are over $100 for the Saturday Night Hollywood Forever Cemetery show.

The one and only time I saw Pulp was in 1994 with Blur in Hollywood. Blur were amazing and I'm sure I have told this story before. I thought well Blur were so good that I need to prepare for an okay Pulp show, they were even better.

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 September 2024 00:51 (eight months ago)

Wait, I did see Pulp again, when I lived in San Francisco, at the Bimbo club.

Yeah, great live band. One of the best.

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 September 2024 00:53 (eight months ago)

Seem to be some decently-priced tickets for Saturday's BK show on Stubhub, even one for the GA section in the very front. If it wasn't such a hike to Kings, I'd jump on this.

birdistheword, Saturday, 14 September 2024 06:29 (eight months ago)

Yeah Bee I was at that Blur/Pulp show too. Getting “Common People” six months before release and it blowing the crowd’s mind is what I most remember.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 September 2024 07:02 (eight months ago)

I'll be at the SF show, but arriving just in the nick of time before show start

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 14 September 2024 15:50 (eight months ago)

Text when you arrive and I’ll let you where we are!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 September 2024 15:55 (eight months ago)

Ruuuuuuuuuuled. As ever.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 07:02 (eight months ago)

I was like the protagonist of “Sorted out”…. lost my friends and dance alone … lol … glad I went though!

sarahell, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 15:00 (eight months ago)

Svenonius opened??

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 15:03 (eight months ago)

friend of mine took some great photos in chicago for this site

https://www.reviler.org/2024/09/10/photos-pulp-at-the-aragon-ballroom-chicago/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 15:04 (eight months ago)

yeah the show in brooklyn on saturday was incredible. i felt like the only one in the pit who was excited to hear "bad cover version," but it was exciting to me dammit. jarvis has been doing those hypnotic hand dances for decades now. he looks exactly the same!

matt sweeney was in the crowd. he was taller than i thought he'd be.

hott ogo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 15:07 (eight months ago)

and yes, svenonius opened to a completely puzzled audience. a guy near me asked if he had won a contest or something

hott ogo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 15:07 (eight months ago)

Lol apparently his brother is a douchebag …

sarahell, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 18:34 (eight months ago)

Now that it’s not 3 AM and I’m sober, my main experience in the VIP section (Toronto) was that I had an amazing view and that my friend spent a bit of time shit talking the opening act then turned around and realized he was standing right behind him. So rest assured, He’s been told at least once. Oops!

I got to meet Andrew and thank him for squeezing me and my friend in, and I did a good deed when a short woman was trying to look over my friend‘s shoulder: I told her to stand in front of me. Unfortunately, she stood in front of my other friend who is just as short as her, blocking her view, so I put my hands on her shoulders and pull her back toward me and said oh please don’t block my friends view, she got me into VIP! The woman asked if she had family in the band, said the bassist is her cousin, and then she told me oh I’m married to the drummer. So very blasé 🤣 she was nice though, and happily danced to common people in front of my very tall self, blocking no one’s view

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 18:42 (eight months ago)

I took some video and posted it to TikTok, if you search pull toronto, you should see my red haired icon. I’m weird about usernames though so I don’t wanna post it here but if you have me on Instagram, it’s the same one. I’m going to see if my friend who seemed to record the entire concert on his phone will send more

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 18:44 (eight months ago)

Pulp Toronto :( first AutoCorrect was Paul… I did try to fix that

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 18:45 (eight months ago)

Lol there was a review of the SF show that describes the audience as “aging Millennials” and I was like … wait what? … the majority of the people I saw there looked like they were in their 50s … comparable to the Miki Berenyi/ Budgie/LOL crowd… guessing the writer was probably a Millennial idk

sarahell, Thursday, 19 September 2024 01:34 (eight months ago)

oldest millenials would have been in high school at Pulp's peak. but yeah, my guess would be lots of 50 year olds.

my prediction actually, very psyched to see them tomorrow!

encino morricone (majorairbro), Thursday, 19 September 2024 05:07 (eight months ago)

Happy birthday, Jarvis.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 September 2024 09:28 (eight months ago)

help the aged

hott ogo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 September 2024 13:29 (eight months ago)

crowd at the second LA show last night sang happy birthday to JC

phenomenal show, love this band so so much

donna rouge, Friday, 20 September 2024 15:09 (eight months ago)

Had some thoughts on Monday, wrote 'em up

https://www.patreon.com/posts/some-weekly-124-112388230

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 September 2024 18:15 (eight months ago)

Yeah Ned, thanks for confirming what I'd heard- the only two times since the 90s they played around here was that Pomona show (barely LA) and Coachella (not LA). I'm even more glad (and pretty surprised) I saw their second proper LA show since the 90s.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 02:34 (eight months ago)

You did indeed!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 02:51 (eight months ago)

I didn't get to see them after all. I went back and forth with myself but I had a packed week. I moved and have a lot of old furniture and was a week project alone. My plus one bailed on me. I'm in Orange County and not LA, so driving had a big impact. To top everything off, family drama at the last moment. I was invited to a ticket by a fellow ilXor, thanks BTW, but as stated I couldn't make it.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 03:56 (eight months ago)

Cemetery show RULED. stet please enable video hosting overnight so I can post clips.

Lineup is four old Pulps (Jarvis, Candida, Nick, Mark) and four sessioneers including Jason Buckle, so at least the latter can be expected to be in the new recording lineup. As that report notes, Jarvis was extremely heavily hinting at plans for more touring in 2025; guessing that they’ll be recording over winter.

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 06:06 (eight months ago)

nu-Svevonius band wasn’t *good* but were kind of ideal as support: non-terrible enough to politely pay attention to, quiet enough to chat during for ppl picnicking on the lawn, and two-person band with drum machine (or phone?) allowing for near-immediate changeover.

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 06:09 (eight months ago)

Hah nice. Maybe they were picked for that reason? I've never thought of the "logistics" of who to pick for an opener until I saw Devo explain why they never booked one. Nick Lowe is probably the only opening act I've ever seen to acknowledge what being an opener means, i.e. "warm up the crowd as they come in and find their seats."

birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 16:26 (eight months ago)

(acknowledge during the actual opening set that is)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 16:26 (eight months ago)

The logistics were my life for at least 10 years so it’s weird to think that there are people who are music fanatics who have never thought of this

sarahell, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 16:49 (eight months ago)

It’s kinda refreshing !

sarahell, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 16:49 (eight months ago)

I've always been green about it. If I was asked about an opener, I'd just think "why don't they get so-and-so, their music would go great together?" Probably like that with everything about the music business - "why did they break up, they were so good and they got along?" "Why don't they release another record?" Well, logistics and economics...

birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 17:04 (eight months ago)

escape-ism ruled imo (and his brother is cool, sarahell!)

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 17:14 (eight months ago)

Nick Lowe is probably the only opening act I've ever seen to acknowledge what being an opener means, i.e. "warm up the crowd as they come in and find their seats."

There's the unintentionally humorous full-set vid of Spiritualized from when they opened for Neil Young & Crazy Horse in a summer shed in the late '90s. A good bit of the video is shot from behind the band, so you see all these perplexed boomers in their tie-dyes & straw hats gradually filling the seats and/or cutting out for the beer line during the set.

Lowe also has a funny story about Rockpile blowing headliners Bad Company off the stage so badly that their sets kept getting cut down by five minutes until they were finally doing a tight 15 minutes a night before happily going back to the hotel to party with groupies.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 17:27 (eight months ago)

escape-ism ruled imo (and his brother is cool, sarahell!)


Uh … the brother date raped someone and then got his victim fired from their mutual workplace… I have other friends who think he’s cool that don’t know this about him… but, knowing it … not cool imo

sarahell, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 15:04 (eight months ago)

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-F7GT82izA

Okay, heteros are cutting edge this year, too. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 20:14 (six months ago)

Extremely 1996 image in the still there, what with him from Pulp holding Trainspotting.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 December 2024 20:16 (six months ago)

two months pass...

oldest millenials would have been in high school at Pulp's peak. but yeah, my guess would be lots of 50 year olds.

my prediction actually, very psyched to see them tomorrow!


I was obsessed with Pulp starting in summer of 99, after i graduated 8th grade, and all my friends were too. old school ilxor eppy put them on a mix tape for me when he was my camp counselor that summer— that mix changed my life, had B&S, Pulp, Lush, Big Black, and a load of other amazing stuff on it.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 27 February 2025 18:08 (three months ago)

In the ongoing re-evaluation of music I loved as a 20-something … “Happy Endings” hits me more now than it did during 95-96 when I listened to that album almost every day.

sarahell, Thursday, 27 February 2025 18:53 (three months ago)

old school ilxor eppy put them on a mix tape for me when he was my camp counselor that summer


Did he introduce you to ilx??

Alba, Thursday, 27 February 2025 19:06 (three months ago)

no! that was former user lfam—
i noticed eppy’s old posts when i first joined up in early 2006

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 28 February 2025 16:38 (three months ago)

one month passes...

Heading back to the US -- for now, two nights with LCD Soundsystem at the Hollywood Bowl:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 March 2025 17:21 (two months ago)

between their last single which was produced by James Murphy (12 years ago!) and now this, I have a feeling Murphy may be involved with their upcoming album, whenever that is coming out, I am ambivalent about this, cautious at best

Murgatroid, Friday, 28 March 2025 17:30 (two months ago)

what a downer to have to watch LCD either before OR after Pulp

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 28 March 2025 21:18 (two months ago)

Hmm, do I need to go to this?

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 March 2025 01:59 (two months ago)

LCD Soundsystem aside, I'd take any opportunity to see Pulp, so yes

Murgatroid, Saturday, 29 March 2025 06:40 (two months ago)

I’ve been on a bit of an Edwyn Collins kick lately. Just heard Gorgeous George and if you squint your ears it sorta sounds like a lost Pulp album.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 29 March 2025 13:16 (two months ago)

I was wrong, thank god

new Pulp album details pic.twitter.com/K3BoQzXbk1

— morally grey (@DILFBAlT) April 7, 2025

Murgatroid, Monday, 7 April 2025 19:48 (two months ago)

And we got first single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-27a1ugJX8U

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:16 (two months ago)

Tracklisting:

Spike Island
Tina
Grown Ups
Slow Jam
Farmers Market
My Sex
Got To Have Love
Background Noise
Partial Eclipse
The Hymn of the North
A Sunset

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:19 (two months ago)

Elastica cover?!

piscesx, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:24 (two months ago)

unlike the stereolab video you were all complaining about (which was boring but visually inoffensive) this video's a really hideous use of ai video generation lol

ufo, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:31 (two months ago)

I should stop watching music videos because I'm just getting disappointed by everyone.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:38 (two months ago)

song is just kinda lifeless, there was better stuff on that jarv is album a few years ago

ufo, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:44 (two months ago)

It's mocking AI, of course it's hideous.

zoloft keeps liftin' me (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:45 (two months ago)

idk I like the song

them using AI for the video is an odd decision considering that statement from Jarvis that was put out a few days ago where he literally stated that no AI was used in the making of the album, but I guess the promo video is not considered part of the album

Murgatroid, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:51 (two months ago)

making something deliberately hideous with ai just to make fun of it is about the most boring thing possible

ufo, Thursday, 10 April 2025 11:57 (two months ago)

Meantime we have a separate rarities album coming via Mojo:

THIS MONTH’S COVERMOUNT CD is Pulp: Forty Odd Years. Live, rare and unreleased tracks from the vast expanse of their career, 1982 to 2025, curated by Cocker and Co. Features killer versions of Common People, Babies, Sheffield: Sex City, His ’N’ Hers, The Trees and more!


https://www.mojo4music.com/magazine/latest-issues/mojo-379-june-2025-pulp/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:25 (two months ago)

I think this song is pretty damn good! James Ford is killing the game these days.

Davey D, Thursday, 10 April 2025 15:51 (two months ago)

yeah dunno how you could call this lifeless

Murgatroid, Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:22 (two months ago)

I like the song, looking forward to the album.

Using AI to mock AI is still... using AI. Disappointing.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:24 (two months ago)

I'm not sure what else you could use to mock AI

PaulTMA, Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:07 (two months ago)

I just meant more that they didn't have to go that route at all.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 April 2025 17:14 (two months ago)

A(nother!) North American tour goes on presale tomorrow for anyone who didn’t hear already

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 22 April 2025 21:58 (one month ago)

Man that video is lazy even for one that uses AI. Song is not bad though

I'm not sure what else you could use to mock AI

Feel like it might be funny to make a video mocking some of the AI problems - extra fingers, feet swapped - with practical effects. I dunno if the joke would come across though

Vinnie, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 13:26 (one month ago)

that would be a good bit although probably difficult to pull off effectively

ufo, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 13:55 (one month ago)

Pulp pre-sale today, password RUN

dc tickets were $69.50 for general admission with $15.95 service fees

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:09 (one month ago)

there's a whole thing on tiktok where people try and recreate the vibe of AI without using AI and it can be very funny at times.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:11 (one month ago)

Got a cheap GA lawn ticket for Toronto, saw them last year and I don’t want to pay a hundo to see them again but I do want to see them again so I think getting the cheapest ticket is a reasonable compromise

Last year I was at the front in an indoor venue and this year I’ll be way at the back in an outdoor-ish venue lol bleh hope I don’t regret not getting a better ticket

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:14 (one month ago)

NY (Queens) tickets were $100 + $23.15 in fees & taxes. Goddammit, why does everything here have to be more expensive? I won't complain - it's a hell of a lot easier for me to get to than Kings Theatre.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:17 (one month ago)

(Or to be accurate, $99.50 + $3.00 handling fee + $20.65 service fee)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:21 (one month ago)

Feel like it might be funny to make a video mocking some of the AI problems - extra fingers, feet swapped - with practical effects. I dunno if the joke would come across though

That was mr kinder's halloween costume!

kinder, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 18:03 (one month ago)

Jarv, I know you read this thread. Hire mr kinder to do the next one

Vinnie, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 20:04 (one month ago)

four weeks pass...

New Pulp track will be released today

We're getting a new Pulp single today! pic.twitter.com/9r4PYtWYZJ

— daily pulp (@pulptoday) May 22, 2025

djmartian, Thursday, 22 May 2025 11:05 (three weeks ago)

awesome. i loved "spike island."

treeship., Thursday, 22 May 2025 12:44 (three weeks ago)

I am enjoying “Spike Island” quite a bit.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 22 May 2025 15:05 (three weeks ago)

And here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_xnLmRz6XM

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2025 16:04 (three weeks ago)

uptempo and optimistic

djmartian, Thursday, 22 May 2025 16:11 (three weeks ago)

this is fine but why is it so compressed? same problem as the last one

ufo, Thursday, 22 May 2025 20:42 (three weeks ago)

James Ford

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Thursday, 22 May 2025 20:57 (three weeks ago)

there's plenty of stuff he's worked on that doesn't sound like this though idk

ufo, Thursday, 22 May 2025 21:06 (three weeks ago)

“Without life you’re just/Jerking off/Inside someone else”

🤔

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 23 May 2025 02:22 (two weeks ago)

Err, **love** not life

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 23 May 2025 02:22 (two weeks ago)

can't say I've ever done that.
does he really say "say it, ya nonce" around the 3 min mark?

kinder, Friday, 23 May 2025 13:21 (two weeks ago)

xpost Zombie sex fiends everywhere objecting.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 May 2025 15:07 (two weeks ago)

does he really say "say it, ya nonce" around the 3 min mark?

Think it's "ponce"

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 24 May 2025 07:00 (two weeks ago)

their old records are really compressed too, the Britpop sound

encino morricone (majorairbro), Saturday, 24 May 2025 09:13 (two weeks ago)

Different Class and This Is Hardcore especially (original editions) are quite dynamic for the era. WLL is brickwalled

PaulTMA, Saturday, 24 May 2025 11:10 (two weeks ago)

I disagree, at least on Different Class. The drums are all smack and no body, the vocals super sibilant. Dense mixes with a ton of bus compression. I like that sound, not a diss at all.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Sunday, 25 May 2025 05:06 (two weeks ago)

Well the overall mastering is reasonably dynamic https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/209546

PaulTMA, Sunday, 25 May 2025 14:33 (two weeks ago)

“Without life you’re just/Jerking off/Inside someone else”

🤔

― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, May 23, 2025 2:22 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just heard this on the radio and "jerking" (and most of "off") is censored.

Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 25 May 2025 19:01 (two weeks ago)

I know Pulp have talked about Springsteen influences before but this sounds almost Southside Johnny to me, maybe it’s just the refrain though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6n21vZIOEQ

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 26 May 2025 19:13 (two weeks ago)

I think this album deserves its own thread, T minus 24 hours or so.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 01:34 (one week ago)

I can’t believe I’m listening to a new Pulp album, “Grown Ups”!!!

Murgatroid, Friday, 6 June 2025 03:15 (six days ago)

How dare you. (In that I still have forty minutes to go.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 June 2025 03:22 (six days ago)

However, as I agree with Bee OK there:

Pulp -- More

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 June 2025 03:23 (six days ago)


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