Favorite First Wave Norwegian Black Metal Act.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/448035710_a67aa9d7dc.jpg?v=0 will walk this

Yeah as much of a douchebag as the dude is, it's kind of hard to argue that even amongst a crowd of great records (and all these acts produced great records IMO) his first four albums really stand apart. That said I think I'm going to vote Immortal just to be contrary.

1. Darkthrone
2. Burzum

Immortal

i knew you would vote for them norm

I was going to vote Emperor (edging out Burzum and Darkthrone) but I clicked on Enslaved by mistake. But I like them plenty, too.

Darkthrone

would vote for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GXT6tvzs8 for the scope of their catalog, but if we're talking just on their BM merits it kind of has to be burzum

LMFAO

hahahaha oh god damn it, dan has gotten me once again with the mod substitution trick, that youtube substitution should be u.lver

LOL I was wondering what the hell?!?!?

ws that first wave norwegian black metal act

are we judging all the first few records against each other or their entire catalogs? if the former, darkthrone. if the latter enslaved.

Whatever criteria you want.

i change my vote to minogue

my chuck eddy vote

Got to go with the count here. My favourite Black Metal act of all time.

emperor for me.

too skeeved out by varg to really give the burzum records much of a chance tbh.

I always forget that Bathory wasn't Norwegian

Ulver!

hang on so are we saying "favourite band out of these bands" or "favourite black metal band out of these bands"

because although I'm voting Ulver anyway (one of my 3 favourite bands ever) I'd like to know why

Can't really decide this one at all but will most likely vote Emperor.

My favourite out of these bands is Burzum, but he's one the least black metal sounding of them all :-/

Then - Emperor
Now - Enslaved

Funny that they debuted on a split together that was neither's best work.

emperor

Darkthrone.

I think the Emperor/Enslaved split is pretty good, personally. But then I'm not much of a fan of either band's later stuff really.

Went for Emperor, although there are a bunch of good ones in there.

In case anyone is wondering what this music sounds like, here's two famous songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVF3M_dn7sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjFmFukl1jM

No burzum vids?

Excellent stuff, StanM

Yes! Two! http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=8-bit+burzum&search_type=&aq=f

(xpost) and :-) , there's a lot of 8-bit metal out there for some reason (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F8080C2B70655081 )

wow, there's more than two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Cj_EVnuMs

The Darkthrone one actually sounds a bit like Striborg. Until the heya heya polkasection kicks in, that is.

I like the more recent stuff by Enslaved and Satyricon better (I know, probably blasphemy but whatever), so I think I'm going to have to vote Emperor.

Voted Darkthrone. My Norwegian forestcat is called Fenriz, so that's a no-brainer really.

found this on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luFCBdS5PAs

Whoah, this is hard. To me, Immortal are the quintessence of black metal in the sense that "Pure Holocaust" pretty much exemplifies what the genre is about and would be the record to give somebody who didn't know anything about this genre, while the Darkthrone story and the way they've changed over the years make them a far more interesting band, but less likely to "exemplify" a bigger genre. Darkthrone is Darkthrone and they've evolved many times. Same with Burzum- undeniably high peaks, but such a specific and truly individual case, esp. in the jump from the first records to the Casio/prison era. (reminds me of the debate about what was the greatest goth band- the best ones are too thorny and particular to easily exemplify a movement)

No idea, really, but voting Mayhem since I went to the same school as Øystein Aarseth.

Drew please post *that* pic of you wearing your Burzum shirt :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2973592054_8883935155.jpg

but my heart belongs to . . .
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3354729329_1d57d05ae4_o.jpg

hehe I love that pic.
xp
ok i always avoided a lot of these bands due to the nazi connotations. If i was going to listen to burzum, which album should i download?

filosofem

tossup 'tween burzum & darkthrone btw

i can't believe Geir is the only person on this thread who has mentioned Mayhem yet. Where is the love?

might vote darkthrone tho, for 'panzerfaust' alone but they've also got all those other great early albums

Dude, I can see those matches in yr pocket.

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Filosofem is the most famous of the Burzum albums, and probably the best one to start with. Voted Burz.

What is that 8bit stuff stanm posted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitpop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiptune

"i can't believe Geir is the only person on this thread who has mentioned Mayhem yet. Where is the love?"

Well no one else here went to high school with Euronymous. I like Mayhem, but they are the weakest act of the eight IMO.

I mean if we were setting aside the music, Mayhem were pretty fucking metal and I'd vote for them. But, yeah, tbh, weakest band in the poll.

The original four (Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal, Mayhem) are all very worthy of the vote on the strength of their discographies, the other four all had their moment of greatness at some point but none of them produced more than one classic album and all went on to suck really badly. Still voted Burzum, just because...well I don't really know. He just got out, let 'm shine.

Also, Gehenna, Gorgoroth, Mysticum, Forgotten Woods, Trelldom, Ildjarn, and Ancient could've been mentioned but I can't really imagine them getting much of the vote.

And you ppl are crazy, sure Mayhem put out some tripe but De Mysteriis, Wolf's Lair Abyss and Ordo Ad Chao are so much stronger than anything Satyricon, Ulver, Emperor or Enslaved recorded after 1994.

finally, the voice of reason. wolf's lair is one of my fave metal records ever. i have a fondness for early fleurety stuff and i'd like to give them a shout-out. not that they would win any poll either. and forgotten woods and trelldom as well.

i've got the first ulver demo on ten-inch at home and i wish i had it now to play.

I need to give those main two Mayhem albums a serious going-over. Recall liking Ordo Ad Chao really quite a lot.

wolf's lair is one of my fave metal records ever.

All time top ten for me, I could never understand the bad press it got when it came out. Every single riff is gold and the all-out aggression/violence on this thing is unbelievable. The EP-length also does wonders, this wouldn't have worked at all as an album.

ok, THREE main Mayhem albums.

I did like Trelldom's '07 record. It was very gritty and punishing in the way that trad BM must be.

My own tastes, of course, veer more towards the likes of Deathspell Omega, Dodheimsgard and other such 'avant-BM' artists. I make no apology. But I understand those who prefer their BM, well, BM.

It was very gritty and punishing in the way that trad BM must be.

lolling about the potential non-musical interpretation of this sentence

Long xp Yeah but all those acts are basically known for what they recorded in 93/94 so I'm not sure what your point is.

Well one point is that De Mysteriis is a stone cold classic and their post-murder stuff kicks ass too.

Sure, but In The Nightside Eclipse, Dark Medieval Times, Vikingligr Veldi and Frost are stone cold classics too and each is better than anything Mayhem put out frankly (even if overall Mayhem is probably been the more consistent act since '94-95.)

I've only seen 3 of these bands live. Enslaved (x3), Satyricon (late era), and Mayhem (like a month ago). Of those, Mayhem destroyed the others with their live show.

And I'm still voting Enslaved, based on the strength of their catalog.

Fuck purists. The trilogy of Mardraum, Monumension, and Below the Lights (not to mention Ruun and Vertebrae) are simply some of the greatest progressive metal records ever.

I love Emperor and the aformentioned Mayhem records. But Enslaved is just the most forward thinking, inclusive and musical band on this poll. Why would I care for a second about who is grimmer? I just want great music.

De Mysteriis is maybe, maybe, my favourite of the debut full-lengths of these bands. But I voted Emperor because the gloopy organ murk of In the Nightside feels sufficiently different to the others to make me give it a nod.

Can anyone explain to me what makes Nightside even comparable in quality to Anthems or Equilibrium? I mean, it's good. It just seems like everything about them improved.

they didn't need to improve. nightside is perfect.

"My own tastes, of course, veer more towards the likes of Deathspell Omega, Dodheimsgard and other such 'avant-BM' artists. I make no apology. But I understand those who prefer their BM, well, BM."

check out Mayhem's Grand Declaration Of War album if you haven't already. experimental. lots of electronics. some strange stuff on there. it's an album that most metal fans either love or completely hate.

I half like it.

Fuck purists. The trilogy of Mardraum, Monumension, and Below the Lights (not to mention Ruun and Vertebrae) are simply some of the greatest progressive metal records ever.

TRUTH. but i voted for darkthrone anyway.

darkthrone

blaze, funeral moon and transilvanian hunger is the trilogy to beat here. though gorgoroth is really in the same league as all the named bands here - ad majorem one of the best recent black metal albums, just breathtaking

The trilogy of Mardraum, Monumension, and Below the Lights.... are simply some of the greatest progressive metal records ever.

I need to hear those three then, ASAP! Funnily enough I have the three before those and the three after those.

these are first wave?

just checked out wolf's lair - really enjoying it

Nightside even comparable in quality to Anthems or Equilibrium?

BTW Anyone who likes mid 90s Emperor really, really needs to hear Setherial "Nord...", it sounds exactly like a lost Emperor album between Nightside and Anthems and is amazingly good.

xxpost: the first Norwegian wave = the second wave (after Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory), probably.

oh NORWEGIAN, im retarded

My favorite Darkthrone is still Soulside Journey.

LOL Hank Amarillo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulside_Journey

poll needs gorgoroth

that said, love all these bands except immortal and emperor. it's basically a list of my favorite extreme metal bands aside from those two.

You don't love Immortal? What's wrong with you?

"Anthems is just a remake of that with slightly worse vocals, worse lyrics, worse drumming and terribly mixed to boot."

Complaining about the lyrics seems weird when it's virtually impossible to understand like 95% of what their singing about and that's when it's in English and that's if I tried (I don't cuz I don't want to know what they are singing about in most cases.)

Can I just repeat this one word: Bathory.

Can I just point out that they are Swedish?

lol

Or rather he is Swedish. . .

Can I just point out he's Belgian?

(Stanm)

Can I just say touche?

Immortal don't sound good in my earholes.

Yes, I know he was Swedish, I already said that near the start of the thread. :-)
Just wanted to point out that "it's basically a list of my favorite extreme metal bands" might have also included Bathory (except not on this thread, obv.)

You like Celtic Frost, Stan?

I haven't really checked out enough of their music to answer that, to be honest. :-/
I like To Mega Therion, but that's the only album of theirs I heard, I think.

They're on the "to look up more of" list, just like so many other bands.

Oh yeah, and that Mexican Radio cover! Def. need to check them out urgently, ok.

Over the toppest BM logo: http://i28.tinypic.com/n4fwq8.jpg :-) (There's three words on there. Good luck deciphering them.)

its better than
http://tinyurl.com/nrr5yz

Complaining about the lyrics seems weird

or
http://tinyurl.com/ltz8oy

Also, totally disagree on lyrics. They matter - the whole concept of BM is that it's not "just the music". I always read lyrics before I play the music.

I like Celtic Frost's first two albums more than any band on this poll. Except for Enslaved.

"Also, totally disagree on lyrics. They matter - the whole concept of BM is that it's not "just the music". I always read lyrics before I play the music."

I don't do this with any kind of music. Sounds really dull.

Agreed 100%. Good lyrics are a plus, but generally the majority of music that I like has lyrics which I dislike or am indifferent to. Either on an aesthetic or moral level.

plus also with the reading the lyrics before playing the music, "welcome to autism".

that's meaner than i wanted it to sound, sorry, drunk.

especially daunting when they're in another language (norwegian, elvish)

if you can't read norwegian u have no business listening to troo kvlt black metal tbh

i can get by but its like why waste time when i could skip "step one" and just get necro

http://i43.tinypic.com/30ic7ee.jpg

anyway some of it doesnt even HAVE lyrics!!

i am just teasing u rox

i cant see that jpg anyways haha

how about http://tiny.cc/KUBhY for an illegible logo

Ok ok, I give up. I can't read any of them! The one I linked to supposedly says "Mistigo Varggoth Darkestra" by the way.

i'm fairly new to black metal - i've got a lot of the stuff mentioned in this thread but can anyone recommend any recent more experimental bands?

http://www.myspace.com/byzantum

stan im afraid ive forgotten what bands those logos were from lol. Hope you didn't want to know hehe

one of them was korgonthurus actually. I took note of that one.

and the other was lurker of chalice

Yeah, the filenames on two of them help, I noticed after giving up. :-)

im surprised you couldnt read the lurker of chalice one

Now I know I see it as soon as I look at it - not so with the other ones. This is like staring at stereograms, I can't do those either.

not black metal but this one is unreadable
http://i30.tinypic.com/fzaw45.jpg
Only people who know what it is are those who have seen it on other sites/forums where people go hey can you read this

and im going easy on you by showing you where i got it from
http://www.ladyomega.com/the-most-unreadable-metal-logos-my-13-picks/

why do these sites say unreadable instead of illegible ?

lol check the definition of Metalhead
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unreadable&page=8#

I thought I saw a W, yay! (because unreadable is what non-english speaking people logically deduce "illegible" is in English)

ahh, i thought it was maybe an actual term im black metal for logos.

btw Stan, does your 'M' stand for Metal?

That Korgonthurus logo is great.

No, it's the first letter of my last name. (xpost)

I'm not _that_ into metal, actually :-)

so this isn't you, Stan?
http://www.thorcentral.com/mp_redesign/images/memorabilia/truemetal-greek-mag.jpg

Um, no. I look more like Frank Black :-/

I can make out Wa***g the Cadaver

i'm fairly new to black metal - i've got a lot of the stuff mentioned in this thread but can anyone recommend any recent more experimental bands?

serious as uncranky-as-I-can-be-about-it q: why do people always want the "experimental" stuff first - isn't that a way of saying "I really don't much care for the genre but when it's informed by other genres then ok maybe"?

can you recommend me some reggae that sounds like rock music

redemption song my boo

ty

Obviously all of these boring, by-the-numbers bands aren't experimental enough.

in the real world all kids are exactly like LJ clearly

who needs paper thin guitars, blast beats and nature worship when u can have a whole LP of boring sludge drones from the latest southern lord signee.

lolj.

LJ will be running a best avant garde black metal poll to go along with this one.

learn to crawl imo

i don't agree. for one thing, i don't believe there is a right or wrong way to familiarize yourself with a genre. the one bit of advice i would give anyone who was listening to stuff for the first time: dig in! listen to lots of stuff. bad and good. figure out what you like from there. and don't worry too much about people's lists and such. as far as starting with the more traditional...i don't get it. start wherever you like. and why do people gravitate to the "craziest" and most "out there" or most experimental examples of a genre first? because this can be the most fun place to start for an adventurous music fan. a lot of people who post on ilm enjoy the sui generis in lots of genres. it's simple curiousity. who took the genre the furthest? who was the most bonkers country/rockabilly/r&b singer of the 50's? you know? and i think if people start with that kind of stuff and like what they hear they might be more curious to hear where the music began. who were the pioneers? this is often true of rock fans. they start with the "crazy" free jazz and later, if they truly enjoy the stuff they hear, then they go back in time and learn to appreciate the more prosaic, but just as rewarding, pleasures of bop or hot jazz or whatever. once someone starts, wherever they start, you never know where thy are gonna end up.

<3

and now, Mayhem

just always gonna disagree w/ you on this one scott, I think it's bullshit when people take The Metal That's Most Comfortable For Me and then champion it as The Most Awesome Metal when they kinda don't know what they're talking about

feel the same way in other genres & fields too, my position is if you don't have a hunger to learn the history then you're doin it wrong

I know this is an obnoxious super-orthodox stance to take but what can I say, I'm a Catholic.

btw De Mysteriis was sweet, Ordo Ad Chao also sounding like it knows its plain evil from its megasuperdemonic

awesome is subjective, because it is my own awe kthx

mind you I am only too happy to have the important classic stuff impressed upon me, because one day it will stick and it will be like joining a particularly awesome club of people who understand why shit like this happens in the first place

i just think most people's musical education is haphazard at best. if someone says that their favorite jazz album is a love supreme i don't immediately scream WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN TO MORE CHARLIE PARKER!!?? sometimes it takes people a little longer to get used to a genre. everyone has a different way in.

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"The Metal That's Most Comfortable For Me and then champion it as The Most Awesome Metal when they kinda don't know what they're talking about"

it might be the most awesome to them NOW. and maybe it always will be. maybe some people don't want to delve any deeper. i've got no problem with that either.

yeah I was the same way when I got into post-black-metal metal! and I'm glad people told me "you don't know what the fuck you're talking about" or I'd still be runnin around saying Amorphis was the best metal band of the mid-nineties

btw glad lj digs ordo ad chao that album slays, if you haven't copped gorgoroth ad majorem get to business man

I know you're gonna lol @ me because it is obviously the 10-minute avant-garde excursion, but listening to "Illuminate Eliminate" just now there was THE most awesome minimal build about 2 minutes in, working both with and against the blastbeats and the growls...god I can't help myself :(

Was really loving this shit before this song, honest, but game is being upped. Now it sounds like a helicopter. Oh my god.

Have ad majorem already, from a recommendation of yours back in '07. You told me I'd dig 'White Seed'. You were right. Now I need to hear the rest of the album properly, and get beyond the whole <3 Gaahl thing, into what the whole band were actually doing.

(High-pitched screams over a minimal backdrop going into a really evil new riff at the 7-minute mark = shit oh shit)

Seriously this is one of my top 5 BM songs.

And the rest of the top 5 has shit like Xasthur in it

I'm with you on illuminate eliminate I am not anti-experimental just pro-basics

you gotta kick that xasthur to the curb though dude

I think I'll reclassify Xasthur as dark ambient. Or funeral moan. Or something. I love it but it isn't really BM, it's operating under different sonic auspices.

Mayhem do this stuff so excitingly. There's so much subtle theatre. They ease or slam the throttle just the right amount at just the right time. I may vote for them with a sockpuppet. Really do <3 Nattens Madrigal so I'm sorta comfortable with my vote but if we're talking pure BM songwriting I think these guys might have Ulver beat.

for me it's all about transilvanian hunger

The two longest songs on the album are pulling out stops that were tantalisingly hinted at before. I really wanna get the other Mayhem albums now. I actually have (classic era) stuff by most of the artists in this list, and I do appreciate it when their songs come on shuffle. I just need to face the albums head-on now.

mayhem have a lot of bands beat. i voted for darkthrone though. just cuz i felt like it.

i love and/or appreciate pretty much everything ulver have done, and they made great black metal, but they are something else now and have been for ages.

and emperor made one of my top ten or twenty metal albums ever. but i still voted darkthrone.

I like a lot of these bands a lot but can't see myself voting against darkthrone in many polls ever except maybe like a "best band that isn't darkthrone" poll & I'd probably vote darkthrone in that one too just to be an asshole

to me darkthrone's first few albums as a black metal band really capture the platonic essence of the genre, if there can be said to be one

Well, when I describe Blood Inside as my favourite album of the decade, I'm not for a second putting it in my metal top 100 - it isn't a metal album. It's not 'better' than metal, it's really just very different, with more conceptual affinity to Talk Talk (thanks Scott!) than uh Darkthrone (whom I will hear. Yes.) Shit, The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell was campy goth-industrial narration and that was 10 years ago

as far exemplifying shit id vote darkthrone but burzum are my favorite band out of these bands all told and considered, though ordo ad chao is probably my favorite album by any of these people and if gorgoroth were in the poll i'd vote them anyway

as far AS exemplifying shit, now dont that beat all

lol mclusky came on after ordo ad chao ended and it was like a burst of poppy sunshine as all the children linked hands and blew kisses at each other

maybe deep down that is what mclusky is but still lol

i never listen to enslaved. or satyricon. though i like them fine when i hear them. i listen to every other band on here at least once or twice a year. honestly, i listen to more death metal and grind than anything else. and a lot of old metal via tapes. most of the black metal i hear these days is new stuff i get in the mail from people like moribund and most doesn't make much of an impression. and some of the u.s. shoegaze drone bm stuff i end up liking a lot. but not much. i liked that first brown jenkins album. um, some other stuff.

someone brought in a box of metal tapes to the store to sell and i was so happy to find the 2nd S.O.B. album on Rise Above in there! Woo Hoo! I blasted that shit. how often do you see old S.O.B. tapes!?

also i just kept playing Dark Angel's Darkness Descends on tape over and over all week. what a record. sheesh.

scott have you heard the new blut aus nord

cause that thing is awesome

as far as black metal goes, i will confess that my knowledge of the first FRENCH wave is lacking. i need more. i'm just cheap and i hate downloading stuff. i would totally pay someone like gottpunch to burn me a cdr series of some of that stuff. or a lot of that stuff. old drakkar releases. vlad tepes. torgeist. stuff like that. i love the stuff i've heard over the years on the internet (like on youtube and last fm) and elsewhere. i don't know why i don't just learn how to burn shit on my own. it's like a thing with me. a mental block.

suggestions too for stuff to look for online. some of that stuff has never been reissued. just bootlegged endlessly.

i don't think i have heard the new blut. i'm a fan though.

2nd on the Blut Aus Nord. But if I had to make my 2009 metal list it'd be fighting it out with Funeral Mist for #3. Madder Mortem has #1 by a ways.

Mike from YOB tells me that this new Australian band Portals is sort of a Blut Aus Nord/Immolation hybrid. Check out their freaking costumes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrBZZtGFgI

Portal is one of the freakiest bands on the planet.

portal album made my top 20 decibel list. it made most people's year-end lists. it was great.

New one forthcoming, too, apparently...

xpost - i was just curious to hear some of the more experimental bands, thats all - ive listened to a fair amount of the stuff mentioned on this thread from venom/hellhammer onwards, but the sheer amount of info on the internet on BM has me defeated, so i thought some recommendations might be helpful. i don't think there is ever any one correct way to get into a musical genre.

xpost: The first wave French "Legions Noires" stuff is essential, and some of their wildest recordings came out as tape-only side projects. Good selection at the Cosmic Hearse blog.

Discovering a genre retrospectively is a strange experience. I came in on the back of Black One, but I do feel it's essential to dig back to the roots. Knowing punk pretty much from the ground up, I can appreciate the irritation with people who come out with the equivalent of "Green Day are just the greatest ever . ." But, at the end of the day, you like what you like, and I do like Xasthur.

The upside is that there is so much to explore out there. Looking at the list, I still don't think I've covered enough to make an informed choice. Of the big four, I'm aware that most of the nowadays Black Metal I like is footnotes to side one of Filosem, but I'm leaning towards Immortal: frosty production, mad riffs and fanatical, single-minded attitude. You get to the end of an album, and just want to play it all over again.

Nothing is wrong with Xasthur. No one has to apologize for liking him whatever J0hn D thinks.

john is only jealous because xasthur is a better breakdancer.

both Xasthur & Green Day are actually fine btw

nah wait that was another BM dude wasnt it. Oh well, john's still jealous as there's 2 better breakdancers than him.

my style is impetuous

but can you do what Immortal do?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/MMMMMMM_Pie/Miscellaneous/ImmortalSurfing.jpg

you know what's surprising to me is that the picture marduk had taken of themselves, shirtless by the pacific ocean - which century media sent out to everybody circa '04 I think - hasn't gotten the play that those immortal press photos have. can't even find 'em online but I remember getting sent them

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp274/Dissociation_Drummer/immortal-YMCA.jpg

People come on here an angst about whether listening to a lot of BM will cause them to develop dubious political leanings.

Actually, all that happens is that Immortal stop looking silly. (Or at least no sillier than Funkedelic, Kraftwerk, Magma . . )

http://www.exraven.net/blackmetal/norwegian/darkthrone/images/darkthrone666.jpg

best band logo ever?

Mayhem's is pretty good:

http://www.legaljuice.com/MAYHEM.gif

Sorry BM bands, but I vote for Einstürzende Neubauten's logo.

xp. Check out how kvlt my bedroom window is

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv105/NAPOLEONROFL/DSC00400.jpg

imo the best two logos in any genre are slam-o-ram-A & korganthurus

slam-o-ram-A:

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/l_1a6705a3185a20cba5f4ed766f0c59a2.png

korganthurus:

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/634p23wef.jpg

i would be posting more on here but i fear what other mod subs dan has cooked up for me, like mayhem is going to come up as a chicken dance youtube

cant remember if i voted yet, but today emperor seems like the right choice. this really is harder than it first appears.

pick your words carefully, sir

hmmm

TEST:

Burzum
Darkthrone
Emperor
Enslaved
Immortal
Mayhem
Satyricon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GXT6tvzs8
Some other Norwegian Black Metal band

ok safe (mostly) for now

hey, type "pulverize", see what happens

(pretty sure I voted Emperor based off the metal CDs my old boss loaned me; I basically hated Immortal and Enslaved and loved Emperor, Therion and Satyricon)

enslaved has gone through some pretty significant changes over the years tho, so it might depend on which album it was tbf

i mean, not u.l.v.e.r. style changes, but still

What if you wanted to say something about a big BM show in Culver City?

they start with the "crazy" free jazz and later, if they truly enjoy the stuff they hear, then they go back in time and learn to appreciate the more prosaic, but just as rewarding, pleasures of bop or hot jazz or whatever. once someone starts, wherever they start, you never know where thy are gonna end up.

lol this is EXACTLY me when it came to getting into jazz

first jazz record i ever bought was "go see the world" by david s. ware

yea that's totally me too wrt jazz. older brother played me 'meditations' when i was 15 or so, then i got into ayler, all that. now i'm bugging out on how cool this billie holiday boxset is that i borrowed from the library

i still love the weird free shit but most jazz i listen to now is the basics

I grew up on super-trad pre-bop (dad played piano in a jazz combo but was pretty reactionary [is even more so now] about most bop & everything after), got into free stuff with ESP discs in the mid-nineties, now mainly dig the west coast style

tempted to edit the thread title to "Favorite First Wave Norwegian Black Metal Act. (a jazz thread)"

DO IT

or change the poll options to your favorite jazz icons

i got into trad BM as a result of somebody (scott prob) talking up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GXT6tvzs8 on some thread about most changed artists over time.

burzum marsalis xpost

never ceases to make me happy

or change it to "Favorite First Wave Norwegian Electro-Dribble Act."

i got into trad BM as a result of somebody (scott prob) talking up ul.ver on some thread about most changed artists over time.

xpost my lack of basic memory skills are troubling. thking u mod delete ability!

thkin u mod undelete ability :-D

I'm with dan on this one

given the context of this thread I thought it was a serious post!!!

test

mansun
cardiacs
ulver
super furry animals
neurosis
oceansize
ulrich schnauss
van der graaf generator

wooo

aside from a one-off jhos prank it is very very unlikely that site mods are going to sub a non-site mod for lols since the non-site mod can't defend him/herself

make me a site mod then

3-year qualification period passed with flying colors obv

we'll get back to you on that

wooo

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ok we're back: no.

http://pico.bo.astro.it/~massimo/OABO/images/sorry

just keep believin'

I was just in a fritkot (belgian french fry shop) and a dangerous looking dude entered while I was waiting. His arms and neck were full of skulls and pentagrams and he was wearing this T-shirt, which I presumed was for a band:

http://www.alchemygroup.com/blowup/BT243.jpg

On the back, it said "Alchemy 1977" - which seemed pretty old for a satanistic metal band I'd never heard of, so I looked it up and it's this Goth parafernalia thing! LOL! I wish I'd known so I could have laughed and pointed at him instead of coolly nodding like I did now. :-/

super furry animals are one of the best black metal outfits on the scene today IMO

last minute of 'receptacle for the respectable' amirite

I'm leaning towards Immortal: frosty production, mad riffs and fanatical, single-minded attitude. You get to the end of an album, and just want to play it all over again.

Also, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2talTNLDJMI

That Setherial album is really good btw. Thanks for the tip.

"I have tons of respect for Immortal because they never let the quality control slip. Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum, Emperor, Gorgoroth etc all have multiple examples of utter lameness while these rediculous looking clowns tossed out seven albums in a row without a single weak track."

Which is kind of funny cuz aren't the Immortal guys basically Johnny-Come-Lately scene hanger ons? Weren't they just former death metallers who realized that this was the better bandwagon?

Immortal was the first Norwegian BM band to record an album, so not really, no.

(even though it sounded more like Bathory than anything else)

(actually second album, A Blaze was a few months earlier)

(dumb question from a ignoramus:

what distinguishes black metal from death metal? is it just more fancy?)

less fancy

really? cuz this song has some sorta folky/fancy breakdowns...(the youtube you posted)

man i wish i could hang with metal singing post-87/88 thrash :\

Death: growl
Black: shriek

Except when not.

other BM bands that are awesome but not first-wave or norwegian: negura bunget

not really, can be either fancy or distinctly non-fancy.
DM: brutal heavy crunchy downtuned low-pitched grunts, very percussive/riff centered
BM: trebly, raw, high pitched shrieks/rasps, centered on melodic 'flow'/atmosphere

Raw in black metal case is also distinctly lo-fi in a lot of cases.

thx y'all!

ah yeah this sounds more i'mma crazy ass spooky banshee coming to haunt your shit and less i'm a growly monster from the pits of hell

but like i said for some reason it's hard for me to dig metal vocals that aren't i'm a dude from the bay area wearing tight ass jeans and big white high tops vocals

best of non-Norwegian Norwegian Black Metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_47-MIGQvZU

Look both up on wikipedia, you'll see more common elements than differences. A blind test would complicate things even more in some cases.

Immortal "Battles in the North" - vocals sound like higher pitched death metal style.

Or Popeye.

Plague core: black death metal. :-)

okay I'm listening to it right now ... and just heard several Popeye vocalizations ... lol.

siegbran, what's your favorite french 90's bm? i'm looking for buying suggestions. or maybe you hate the french. some people hate the french. cuzza the war or something.

Isn't there a thread on French Black Metal?

http://kreationrecords.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9727

http://kreationrecords.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9720

RFI: Les Légions Noires

http://kreationrecords.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9719

should there be a swedish bm poll? would abruptum sweep?

more rare bm lps http://kreationrecords.net/index.php?main_page=products_new&zenid=c8ee1579d3254aeb97d36d2d681df113

oh okay siegbran already posted on that noires thread.

i'm just in a french bm mood.

obligatory bidet joke.

darkthrone http://kreationrecords.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9703

they probably would and I'd want to grouse at people who voted against bathory but if I'm honest I too would be voting for abruptum

maybe marduk tho

France: Deathspell Omega
Switzerland: Darkspace
Romania: Negura Bunget
Britain: Caina (but is it BM?)

Actually, my current favourite musical argument is that Hood (folksy but very mysterious indie band) are England's national answer to BM, especially from the mid-90's onwards. The comparison is extremely seductive.

massive xpost:

Vlad Tepes/Belketre split (both parts great), the Mutiilation debut. Mutiilation's "Remains..." also very good, similar to Darkthrone "Under A Funeral Moon". Rest of the Legions Noires stuff not really so good except Seviss and Black Murder, all those countless demos by the Vlad Tepes guys have their moments but also a lot of crap. Torgeist sucked. Also, there's this Norwegian band Raven who at the same time put out a very good short EP called "F.M." on No Colours that sounds just like the French, really worth getting.

Non-LN French metal from those days a bit patchy. Godkiller (from Monaco of all places) pretty good, Osculum Infame debut very good & split with Funeral too, Kristallnacht not really worth looking for, Himinbjorg a bit rediculous (vikings in France?), Celestia debut was pretty OK, Seigneur Voland & Antaeus of course great but that's hardly '90s'. Never got into Seth or Blut Aus Nord but lots of ppl seem to like them.

Fuck I said all this last year already.

yeah, but thanks anyway.

"Himinbjorg a bit rediculous (vikings in France?)"

hey, i just reviewed a new viking metal album from OHIO U.S.A.

Really rate the first Blut Aus Nord "Ultima Thulee" - nothing like their later stuff, Ulver's "Bergtatt" would be the nearest thing.

Favorite LLN side-project is Brenoritvrezorkre (and, yes, I had to look up the spelling)

louis the next time I'm bein a dick to you I want you to remember that I totally stayed chill when you compared hood to black metal

hahaha

loooooooool

recorded and noted, overreaching like that on a thread where certain posters are demonstrating near-mastery of BM understanding is possibly deserving of more scorn than it received

implied scorn rollin' like trinitrotoluene under my ass mind, it's why this dude is a writer

louis it's friendly implied scorn, you are cool with me, I got hood records in my collection to or I did until somebody stole all my cd binders

too

ugh how embarassing

ok can't spell jack right now time for me to stfu

i knew a dude who really liked hood. he was into, like, american analog set and jessamine and the like.

mom scott is trying to pick a fight with me

i was in a band that supported hood a few weeks after i got chucked out the band.

i was looking forward to the gig :(

u.k. answer to black metal would be 80's grind and crust. black and white artwork. hatred for everything. really fast. really violent. great band logos.

i like when you get the best of all worlds in one band. like skitsystem. swedish d-beat death crust metal punk. it's like one stop shopping.

really excited about the growing war crust movement for that reason.

haha i'd play a JD missing vowels game but that'd be asking for trouble

<3 etc and you are ever cool with me as well but seriously, track down those thieving bastards and reclaim your hood. the album 'rustic houses, forlorn valleys' especially sounds to me what you'd get if you took the moral and artistic aesthetic of BM and applied it to English folk traditions; it's hypnotically repetitive, songs share melodic patterns if not actual melodies, and a very English glumness (as opposed to the snowy wilds of Norway) is given an almost spiritual bearing. Where there were fuzzed, trebly electric guitars are now found clean, dour acoustic or semi-acoustic refrains, woozy horns and the occasional distorted squall. Where there were blastbeats are now jazzy but insistent plods. Where there were keyboards, there are droning violins. Where there were shrieks, there are shy and retiring mumbles, or strangled, distant moans, which convey an extremely depressive and national sort of horror, not quite as striking as damned-soul pagan concerns but deeply haunting nonetheless. Songs move in leisurely fashion, the mood barely progressing but becoming more devastatingly single-minded as each song goes on, the sheer pitch of mood rising with every subtle musical development. Even the ambient sections are racked with a desperate, claustrophobia-inducing suspense. In these regards, I would say that Hood offers a fine counterpoint to BM, and I plan to flesh my argument out further some day.

Right, now it is time for me to stfu 2. Scott carry on plz, and maybe with youtubes.

here's the REAL u.k. answer to black metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThkCalDdPIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrBsDB4k1Og

scott you do realise that i have fallen completely in love with this band after 1.5 songs

i thought you might like to know that

and yeah, flippant as it may have sounded, these guys seem to have something darkly mystic and deeply national about them

i want to talk to you about this "hood" band lj but first i need to know if "smoking crack" is a term understood by you britishers because i am trying to make sure that i formulate my argument in a way that will resonate with you

you're gonna kick my ass till it burns :(

have you heard canadias answer to black metal "the silver mt zion" by chance

crack smokers probably responsible for stealing J0hn's cd binders ... don't want to rub it in, but we told you so.

ok sorry i'll stop.

xpost

having a tralala band is so totally burzum dude

xxp Crack smoking Hood, American Analog Set and Jessamine fans are the worst that way.

France - Ved Buens Ende (classic), later Deathspell Omega etc...
Sweden - Bathroy (classic), Dissection (2nd wave), and the first Necrophobic album (which WAY more people need to rep for)
USA - Ludicra

France - Ved Buens Ende

whut

(also Bathroy LOL)

speaking of ved buens ende and czral aka carl-michael eide (and hey what about aura noir) the virus album i got of his from season of mist was, um, fucked up. i didn't really dig it. but people who like the latest manes and dhg might dig it.

Anyone read this?

France - Ved Buens Ende (classic)

Yeah I thought this was a Norwegian supergroup of sorts.

I think it's "blackened grindcore" or something but I really dig The Codex Necro by Anaal Nathrakh for UK BM. Not so keen on their later stuff tho.

Most annoying but also fascinating BM voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoGkDtPqtbY

(also, best intro scream ever?)

Korean 14-year old kid:
http://www.aquariusrecords.org/bin/search.cgi/keyword=pyhahauncd
http://surrealdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/10/pyha-haunted-house.html

(ok ok, this isn't norwegian or first wave, sorry)

omg, I feel weird saying this but I sort of get where LJ is coming from with Hood -- might say the same thing about something like Crescent. I don't know that it's actually relevant to actual black metal in any way, but I think I get what he's shooting for.

voted for Emperor, btw

but only cuz AmAnSet wasn't an option

Great anagram of "me Satan" there.

That Korean 14 y/o black metal kid seems like an Onion joke.

he's genuine

I don't doubt it. It's still the kind of extra-curricular nonsense that matters more than music itself (although given that we are talking about a genre that a huge portion of people have heard of because of extra-curricular nonsense it's only fitting, I suppose.)

he's genuine

prove it.

Anyone else like 1349 ?

hell yes

^^

the seizure inducing video for "Sculptor Of Flesh" is like the greatest thing ever

Wow, I'd never seen that, thx!

xpost: I don't know definitely about Pyha, but Metal Archives lists a ton of South Korean BM bands. (Apparently it's the most Christianized culture in the region.) Downloaded some projects by an SKBM dude called Barbarous, and it's batshit crazy in the best possible way - just not enough of it!

maybe somewhere in the world there's a band of 9 year olds playing black metal

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a few really great bands there, but i don't hesitate a second in voting for ULVER.

Shame they never managed to top their career highlight Do The Locomotion. :(

thats real

i never got past the frog-in-throat vocals of immortal or the song titles/lyrics which might as well match word for word those black metal parodies that emerged on the net years after the event.

I see what you're saying, but then most parodies are pretty close to the originals. That's how it works.

http://i30.tinypic.com/10ii6gz.jpg

Going with Burzum

omg you Alex in NYC are so not voting against Darkthrone in this poll, you have got to be kidding me. get ahold of yourself man!

Geir needed to translate http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/08/03/nyheter/innenriks/drap/7491438/

Just saw the shallow and disappointing "Until The Light Takes Us" BM doc, consisting of: extensive interviews with Gylve (Darkthrone) and Varg (Burzum), plenty of low-grade video footage of burning churches, a cringe-inducing side story of a Norwegian artist making his career co-opting BM aesthetics in the Oslo art world, and....not. much. else.

Utterly forgettable, unless the goal was to validate Varg's amateur philosophical musings as justification for church burning and rival murder.....which the film kind of does accomplish....

My point being this: while Burzum was/is totally f$%ked, he certainly was/is THE ONE musician in this scene who both originated the sound AND backed his stuff up....

I voted Burzum.

Btw- for those still determined to see the film- the Harmony Korine BM performance art piece is FANTASTIC....

omg you Alex in NYC are so not voting against Darkthrone in this poll, you have got to be kidding me. get ahold of yourself man!

Bahahaha....I should have expected your comment. I know, I know, .... you're right, but you caught me in a moment of infernal weakness.

while Burzum was/is totally f$%ked, he certainly was/is THE ONE musician in this scene who both originated the sound AND backed his stuff up....

Well sure, but hard drives were expensive in those days, and being careful with your recorded material is hardly kvlt.

xp Hmmn I think regardless of the movie's "goal", Varg pretty much demonstrates that he is/was a completely unstable person and a total dumbass to boot.

youre making a joke

You forgot Frost's wacky Dead inspired self-mutilation performance art piece btw. Not that it's a good reason to see the movie.

That piece was so insanely bad that it ended up being kind of insane anyway.

Great videos!! Also, Darkthrone. I'm surprised that so many people think Vikernes "did it good" as opposed to "fucked it all up".

Musically or criminally?

Artistically, really. The music is good. The crime is bad. It's that point between the two... some comments here seem to imply that Vikernes' notoriety as a arsonist contributes to his overall "metalness". Which one can't deny. But it's the same mentality that puts Ian Curtis and Nirvana-dude on the cover of magazines every year.

Gotchya. Yeah I don't buy that Varg's extracurricular activities have anything to do with the quality of his records (except mayve insofar as their quality has declined since his incarceration.) Don't care about his overall metalness either since he's clearly such a doof.

how old was he when he did all that stuff? 20, 21? crazy time in a young man's life. the drinking and the murdering and the burning, we've all been there.

Sure, but it's not like he's less of a doof now.

prison does strange things to a man. like jon from dissection. makes one of the greatest metal albums of the 90's, kills a guy, goes to prison and becomes even more immersed in satanism, gets out, tours, puts out an album that hardly anyone likes, and then kills himself in a ritualistic suicide. its a story as old as boy meets girl.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Dissection_live_in_2005.png/625px-Dissection_live_in_2005.png

Can anyone translate http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/08/03/nyheter/innenriks/drap/7491438/ ?
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/749/749146/7491465/jpg/active/960x.jpg
SKUTT I BILEN: 39-åringen satt i førersetet på denne bilen da han ble skutt. Han døde av skadene etter kort tid. Foto: Svein Gustav Wilhelmsen
Ble etterforsket for å ha slått ned Varg Vikernes

Google translation of the caption:

"Skutt in the car: 39-year-old put in the driver's seat of this car when he was shot. He died of injuries after a short time. Photo: Svein Wilhelmsen Gustav
Was investigated for having turned down Varg Vikernes"

if you want that translated then you have to envoke the horned one. say geir's name three times in the mirror. holding a satanic bible.

and the whole article

("turned down" is a central concept to this story, but it's probably something ambiguous and Google picks the wrong translation)

Just like last time, this google translation from Norwegian is A+++

"His wife and two love inner glued penis to unfaithful husband
Revenge using super."

"prison does strange things to a man."

Maybe, but Norwegian prison is more like extended daycamp than US prison.

Yes, yours is better. Can we not do this here please?

(sorry, that came out a lot bitchier than intended)

Yes let's go back to convincing Geir to translate this article rather than discuss whether or not Varg's doofiness is excusable.

:-)

Also: this! I didn't know there was a video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qJU4J7-0_4

(click the video, go to youtube, click the HQ button for better sound)

Judging from the still this vid is NSFW isn't it?

oops, yeah. I'll ask the mods if it can be turned into a clickable link.

The Google translation is perfectly OK, except he had knocked down Varg Vikernes rather than turning him down (so much for speculations about Varg's sexual orientation ;) )

(And, sorry, I even got a Google mail and all, and tried to open it on my phone, but couldn't read the article. ILX needs a wap edition! )

Phew! Thanks :-)

Thanks, Dan.

he certainly was/is THE ONE musician in this scene who both originated the sound AND backed his stuff up....

Don't forget Hellhammer (spouting racist inanities left and right) and Ihsahn (read Satanic Bible at least once).

Ihsahn was the little boy scout in Emperor back then.

aw man, i was excited about the "turned down" thing

I don't know, Varg getting knocked up or down in prison is still pretty serious, IMHO.

/!\ALERT/!\ SKUTT SAYS VARG'S BALLS ARE BRITTLE /!\

too disenchanted to look up a drudge siren gif atm

voted darkthrone because those records sound like a cat on its estrous cycle wearing old tap shoes.

you ARE jess!

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That looks amazing.

yeah that looks pretty sick tbh

Do we have a track listing for the CD?

really a shame they didn't use varg w/ cat for the cover shot imo

Too true.

I don't know that that picture actually needs the cat: to me, Varg already looks shy, really young, and a bit lost here. The contrast between that and the gauntlets and the mace makes it a striking character shot, and, with hindsight, tragic and pathetic. Seems to me that it totally undercuts the mystique, though the fact that it appears everywhere and was used as a compilation sleeve suggests that not everybody sees it the same way.

Don't read that picture at all the way you do.

OK. I've seen pictures from the same era where he looks scary and nuts. This one just seems sad and silly. Even without the cat.

It's a silly picture, but that's cuz he's holding a mace and wearing. His expression doesn't strike me as shy or lost though. He looks his usual serious self to me.

I'm gonna go with Emperor since they're very musical and at my age Darkthrone gives me a blinding headache.

It doesn't seem unusually silly to me (you know, suspending/ignoring anything about it being a picture of a dude brandishing a mace/sporting armor, or whatever), but he does look young, innocent (not that he was) and pretty, basically, so something does therefore seem a little off about the picture. Which is pretty perfect.

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/605560/

This really would have benefitted from some better research. Plenty of BM-related church burnings/grave desecrations/etc happened afterwards in various pieces of the world. And Vikernes might have lost 'credibility' in the original Norwegian scene insiders, this was def not the case elsewhere (cfr France, Poland, Russia).

SLAYER's KERRY KING: 'Norwegian Black Metal Is Sh*t' - June 29, 2007
SLAYER guitarist Kerry King has slammed the Norwegian black metal scene as "shit," claiming that black metal musicians spend far too much time generating controversy instead of honing their songwriting and musical skills. Speaking to Norway's VG Nett on the eve of the band's appearance at Hovefestivalen (a brand new five-day festival being held June 25-29 on the island of Tromøy, just outside the city of Arendal in Norway), King said, "Norwegian black metal is shit. I don't understand why they [Norwegian black metal musicians] think they must kill someone in order to improve their music. Go home and practice your instruments instead! I don't get it. I don't need to kill anyone so that young musicians will look up to me as a role model."

god truly hates us all

Man in band called SLAYER says: don't kill anyone, won't someone think of the children.

I'm SB'ing everyone who votes for Ulver

Some of their stuff is pretty great though (Nattens Madrigal, e.g.), but in general, I agree - the folk thing may be original, but it just doesn't work for everyone (Bergtatt etc) .

who looks up to kerry king as a role model?

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1359295/SPX-02391440285.jpg

Kerry King still going for the WWE Fans Role Model there

Who has the most annoying fans Burzum vs Slayer?

i'm always happy to meet any metal fans! for the most part. metal fans are cool.

http://www.lutralutra.co.uk/site_media/images/squirrelizer/125132368080207668041753.jpg

that squirrel knows what's gonna happen

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Btw, are any of these considered girly?

maybe satyricon?!

I'm sure most of them wear more make-up than most girls.

Who do girly BM bands sing about? Satangela? Satannie?

is this belgian wit

:-(

who will win?

Did people vote for

Favorite First Wave Norwegian Black Metal Act - 1992-1996

or

Favorite First Wave Norwegian Black Metal Act - whole career until now

?

The first, but that's mostly cuz I don't give a shit about most these bands post-96 (Immortal and Mayhem are maybe the only two exceptions.)

I voted in the second style.

the answer is darkthrone then now and always

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol louis

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha omg

did you vote 34 times?

i voted once, as god intended

hmmm

roll call the 129 ilx users who give a shit about this poll

1. me

I was torn, I voted Filosofem in the Terrorizer poll, but went with Emperor.

You could have had the casting vote.

2. me

Although I think the results are super-hilarious.

almost voted Burzum, went with Mayhem instead.

What the!

Shenanigans?

do you mean the strong showing by girly metal?

voted darkthrone.

Acrostic: bud ee miss.

do a USBM poll!

I haven't read the thread but I don't understand how Mayhem didn't win this

and how Immortal placed even lower than Mayhem =(

because not enough people voted for them? :)

stan seems upset with the results

pig-biting, church-burningly upset

All these fine bands worship my near-namesake, how could I not be upset that some of them received no votes at all?

Burzum is overrated.

Satyricon not only getting no votes at all, but coming in three votes behind the "any other band" option seems pretty harsh.

I don't know their stuff - what did they do to deserve this?

I thought they kind of sucked when I heard them.

you know what you're overrated

xpost

"I don't know their stuff - what did they do to deserve this?"

No idea. Dark Medieval Times >>> anything Ulver ever did.

I'm a big lover of Nemesis Divina. The first track has a weird sound in it. My friends asked me to identify it when they first bought the record. I listened once and declared that it's obviously the sound of a sword being pulled from a scabbard. I know about these things. NATHAN CARSON!

Hail Nathan \n/

"you know what you're overrated"

Don't blame me, I voted for Emperor.

Xpost: "Dark Medieval Times" is indeed a fine and singular work, a perfect mix of minimal synths and icy blasting. Thanks for the tip!

Dark Medieval Times is a strange album. It's laughably incoherent, the songs are just collections of three, four completely unrelated riffs stitched together. Every song has at least one or two moments where there's a brief pause with some feedback before the next segment kicks in. The album is only held together by that amazing guitar sound and the vocals. It's proof that the lack of any songwriting skills doesn't stand in the way of a decent career.

Works for me. Maybe I've spent too much time listening to LLN side projects.

"It's proof that the lack of any songwriting skills doesn't stand in the way of a decent career."

Or in the way of making a great album!

what the fuck

http://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/Details.aspx?id=160333180809

'mother north' from nemesis divina shows astonishing songwriting skills. but it's a total flash in the pan, a real "where the fuck did that come from?" moment. even that album has its share of bizarre fragmented half-songs.

Vlad Tepes/Belketre split (both parts great), the Mutiilation debut. Mutiilation's "Remains..." also very good, similar to Darkthrone "Under A Funeral Moon". Rest of the Legions Noires stuff not really so good except Seviss and Black Murder, all those countless demos by the Vlad Tepes guys have their moments but also a lot of crap. Torgeist sucked.

Vlad Tepes/Belketre split is amazing, as is Belketre's Ambre Zuèrkl Vuorhdrévarvtre demo. Really, these guys were pretty much THE kvltest BM band out there, along with the whole LLN scene in general. The funny thing is I listed to Belketre's pre-BM demos in their Zelda and Chapel of Ghouls guises, and tho just as lo-fi and obscure-sounding as Belketre, are mMUCH more death-metal oriented, even carrying a fair bit of Mr Bungle-esque muso-experimentation. What a weird group of people! Perhaps even more drastic a transformation into BM than Darkthrone made from their first record to their second.

(also fascinating is the amount of money these demos go for on eBay, and their continued bootlegging by people tangentially related to the band)

Yeah I've got a few of the Legions Noires albums, probably not a bad idea to offload them. Ildjarn albums also seem to fetch crazy prices.

Can I just repeat this one word: Bathory.

― StanM, Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

Can I just point out that they are Swedish?

― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

lol

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Or rather he is Swedish. . .

― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Can I just point out he's Belgian?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

(Stanm)

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

Can I just say touche?

― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:19 PM bookmarkflaglink