Pitchfork's P2k: The Decade in Music

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As one of ILM's resident indie kids who regularly posts about Pitchfork, I feel it is my duty to begin this thread.

Pitchfork have just announced that they'll be posting a bunch of end-of-the-decade stuff starting August 17 and going to October 2: http://pitchfork.com/news/36153-presenting-p2k-the-decade-in-music/ . They're calling the whole thing "P2k: The Decade in Music."

I wish people would wait until the year is over. I know that's probably unrealistic of me since everyone wants to be first.

Top Albums of the 2000s article will include, roughly in order, Kid A, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Merriweather Post Pavillion, Dear Science, Ys, Person Pitch, and The Meadowlands.

In the post I linked to above, Mark R. also writes:

In the meantime, the half-decade albums and singles lists that we ran in 2005 give some indication of what we thought of the first five years. Of course, a lot has changed since then. I mean, surely, a better album has come along since Kid A, right? (...Right?)

I think there's still a good chance Kid A will take the top spot, but then again I really don't think P4k would want to post a list putting the same artist on top, although of course it's all up to which critics vote for which albums, and I have a feeling most of them won't put Kid A in the top spot.

Rockist Scientist: I was thinking earlier today that this seems kind of early, but I'm guessing it takes a lot of work to put something like this together, and once this is over they'll still have to put out their typical end-of-the-year stuff for 2009. Being early can't hurt either, I guess.

I'm also really looking forward to the essays they'll be publishing:

August 24: Eric Harvey on the social history of the mp3

August 27: Tom Ewing on the decade in pop

(...)

September 14: Marc Masters on the decade in noise

September 16: [nabisco] [.] on the mainstreaming of indie

lol @ the nabisco line

I say there NO WAY that Kid A will take the top spot. And it shouldn't. It's not the best album of the decade. It's not even the best Radiohead album of the decade.

No hip-hop article? Also, has Jay-Z done enough to sully his reputation that The Blueprint isn't a lock for top 5 anymore?

If I had my way:

(1) http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/uploadedImages/Wolfgangs_Vault/Crawdaddy!/Copy/Articles/Issue148/ExPostFacto-large.jpg

(2) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IHL4cs57bg4/R2nTMv7cvoI/AAAAAAAABqY/aepcAhYvzXE/s320/Joanna+Newsom+-+Ys.jpg

Johnny, which do you think is better? Amnesiac? HTTT? In Rainbows?

To the contrary, I think Jay is one of the only *big* rappers from the first half of the 00s who's still making anything worth a damn in the second half of the 00s. But from what I gather, my love of the American Gangster album/sdtrk puts me in a big minority. xxp

Johnny, which do you think is better? Amnesiac? HTTT? In Rainbows?

It would be hard to pick between Amnesiac and In Rainbows.

Why doesn't any other music mag/sites do ambitious lists like this anymore?

I like HTTT a lot more than Kid A but it will never appear in anyone's best-of-the-decade list.

It's not like pfork has a monopoly on listing things

Other obvious choices for P4k's best-of-the-decade list: You Forgot It In People, Silent Shout, Funeral (How did I forget that one until now?), something by Grizzly Bear, something by Deerhunter, the first Interpol record, something by The New Pornographers, Murray Street. . .

I remember getting Rolling Stone's "Best of the 80s" issue sometime in 1990 and that was like a bible for me for a little while. I had 100 albums to seek out, more than half of which I'd never heard. Granted, I was 16 and the internet was still in the distant future and I lived in a town with only one really decent record store, so my lack of exposure to many cool things might've made the RS list seem more like a revelation than it should've. But yeah... I applaud Pitchfork for doing this thing, even though there's a good chance I'll hate the result.

i had the feeling they did this one before, but i guess those were the nineties....

I mean everyone complains about pfork lists, but no one else does it. How hard would it be for the staff of a magazine to put together a list of 200 albums?

Why doesn't any other music mag/sites do ambitious lists like this anymore?

In my case, I wasn't interested in a sequel.

Maybe Popmatters or whatever will do something? The only site that I can think of that would have done, had it still existed, was Stylus.

*would have done ONE

Johnny: It's hard for me to pick a favorite, but I like In Rainbows and Kid A equally as albums. I love HTTT, but I also think it's somewhat of a mess at times, and "I Will" and "Go to Sleep" are two of my least favorite RH tunes.

All the UK mags will do it. They live on be-all/end-all lists.

That being said, "Wolf at The Door," "There There," "Where I End and You Begin," "Scatterbrain" . . . so many favorites.

I bet you Tiny Mix Tapes or Cokemachineglow will do some end-of-the-decade stuff too.

and they'll all display the same cliches/ol' canon mediocrity. (the unknown gems probably would be in the individual lists of the contributors)

Re: the Pitchfork list... I wonder where the first CYHSY album will rate, seeing as it was God's gift to music for six months in 2005.

I don't understand this 'no-one makes large lists' thing. Hell, this week NME put out another fucking top 100 list. Every music/film/other-type-of-thing-that-can-be-listed publication going will do a big and silly list/commentary type thing for the end of the decade AND year within the next couple of months.

I can hardly wait for Paste's decade list. lol

whiney's just fukin w/ everybody u guys

I think it would be almost more interesting to just publish the individual writers' lists. Someone unaffiliated with Pitchfork would probably sit down and tabulate a final score for each record anyway, and I'm sure people do want to see a final list of 200 records, but it might be more interesting if there was no formal ranking.

Or perhaps just have all the contributors list their 10 favorite records of the decade in alphabetical order or the order in which they were released?

Yeah, screw ranking. List them alphabetically or whatever.

y'allz can lol at me if you want but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to name the best record of the 00s, it'd be this one
http://z.about.com/d/folkmusic/1/0/s/E/GillianWelch-Time.jpg
will it even be mentioned in pfork's list?

(I understand the impulse to rank, though... whenever I think about making a list, it's more fun once it starts narrowing down to the top 10 or 15) xp

will it even be mentioned in pfork's list?

If so, no higher than #80. :(

I understand the impulse too, but for me once I narrow a list of favorite records down to, say, twenty records or whatever I couldn't rank them without being kind of dishonest. They'd all be my favorite records, but I'd have different reasons for loving them all.

I really love Wilco's a ghost is born. They're my favorite band, and I think it's their best work, but I couldn't honestly say I love it more or less than Joanna Newsom's Ys, another record I really, really treasure. I would rank them differently depending on my mood.

September 16: [nabisco] [.] on the mainstreaming of indie

Oh good, we were just arguing on that Wavves thread about whether indie was in fact more mainstream or not.

I'm not fuckin. I'm saying no one goes as hard as pfork in the "making lists" dept. Who else is gonna do 500 songs/200 albums?

How will this hold up: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5358-the-moon-antarctica/

Which I assume is why I assume there's a thread about it

Re: the Pitchfork list... I wonder where the first CYHSY album will rate, seeing as it was God's gift to music for six months in 2005.

You know, that album only finished #18 on PFM's 2005 list. It got a 9.0 because Brian Howe loved it, and the site to a certain extent wanted to get behind it, but from what I understand there were quite a few staffers who didn't give a shit about it at all. Can't imagine it will finish particularly high.

i dunno i feel like lists are basically what music magazines do nowadays? didn't rolling stone do like a 500 greatest albums of all time? xp

100 greatest guitarists / 100 best singers etc

http://mentaldefective.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/illinoise.jpg

^ I wonder how high this will make it, too.

I think Wilco's "At Least That What You Said," which won't chart, should be in the Top 10 for best songs of the decade.

Good shout on Gillian Welch. Sun Kil Moon's Ghosts of the Great Highway and April would both be top ten for me... It's bound to be Kid A for Pitchfork isn't it?

Why doesn't any other music mag/sites do ambitious lists like this anymore?

Because the decade isn't fucking over yet?

Johnny, which do you think is better? Amnesiac? HTTT? In Rainbows?

____________________________________________

It would be hard to pick between Amnesiac and In Rainbows.

Good man! I bet CYHSY isn't in the Top 10. But Silent Shout has to be!

Ghosts Of The Great Highway would be a terrific choice, too. Maybe The Clientele!

(Sorry for so many "!" Kinda looking forward to this).

loving kshighway tbh

Thanks, J0rdan! :-D One of the few times someone has said something nice to me instead of trying to chase me off a thread. I really appreciate it.

young liars>>>>dear science any day of the week

I'd love to see a "Best Bands/Artist of the Decade" type list for guys like Spoon who have been consistently great throughout the decade, but don't make any of those big statement type albums that these other list tend to reward.

posting this list during summer 2010 would have been nicer.. the last 4 months of the 90's included some great releases, and i'm sure 2009 won't be any different.

pitchfork's assessment of 2000s music is far less interesting to me than their assessment of 70s 80s or 90s music. i will read their lists as they post them, and i'm not expecting to appreciate most of their favorites, as i don't find "chamber pop" along the lines of antony and the johnsons or fleet foxes to be all that interesting.. i also never understood the hype regarding battles, mountain goats, bright eyes, my morning jacket, destroyer, fiery furnaces, etc, etc, etc .. and i'm sure these bands will be thoroughly fellated before the festivities are through.

I'd love to see a "Best Bands/Artist of the Decade" type list for guys like Spoon who have been consistently great throughout the decade, but don't make any of those big statement type albums that these other list tend to reward.

Good call. I was just making the point last night to Kenan and the Rev that I've never loved any of Spoon's albums, but all of them are "pretty good" and they'd have a pretty stellar greatest-hits collection at this point.

If only I was a mountain goat, to feel the force of online fellation.

x-post Yes, and London Calling came out in December 1979.

yeah.. so did the wall

In my case, I wasn't interested in a sequel.

― Ned Raggett

The anticipation for Ned's Top 136 Albums of the 2000s begins... here, with me. I for one would find it infinitely more interesting than the Pfork end of decade features (though I am looking forward to individual lists from a few writers, and to those essays as well).

It all kicks off on Monday, August 17, when we'll begin a weeklong countdown of our Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s (most of which you'll be able to listen to)

Does anyone else have trouble playing those stupid Lala embeds or is it just me? I could before, then I created an account at Lala, and now I can't anymore. Fuckers.

yeah theyre retarded. works sometimes, doesnt others

The anticipation for Ned's Top 136 Albums of the 2000s begins... here, with me. I for one would find it infinitely more interesting than the Pfork end of decade features (though I am looking forward to individual lists from a few writers, and to those essays as well).

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, August 10, 2009 9:44 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I sure hope Tom Ewing does a Top 100 singles of the decade list. The one he did for the nineties is WITHOUT QUESTION my favorite list of all time. And it's how I discovered ILM in fact!

I'm not fuckin. I'm saying no one goes as hard as pfork in the "making lists" dept. Who else is gonna do 500 songs/200 albums?

That's a lot sure, but I def don't think we are guilty of doing many lists, or listicles. I also think having streams of most songs cushions the could-be bloat and allows the tracks list to work as a library that people can/ideally will return to as much as a list. As for LPs, contrary to opinion we cover a wide range of music than are credited with, go in depth w/reviews on way more records than most pubs, and this decade saw the release of much more music than most. Proportionally, I'm not sure 200 records on our site from the 00s is much different than 100 from a print mag a few decades ago. Or maybe I just want the non-obvious things, which will populate the second 100, to get some due.

As for why now...Well, for one thing, Spin and RS did their 90s lists in Aug/Sept a decade ago, and so I assumed they'd do that again. I also thought Blender would stick it out and end with a big 00s blowout around the same time. Most of all though, by the time everyone in the friggin world runs their own 00s and 2009 stuff, the last thing you all will want in Jan/Feb is another gigantic list, bigger than the others. Think of how much list fatigue you all get by the time our year-end list comes out anyway. This being the internet, we can amend the list later with extra blurbs if need be-- not re-rank but just add an extra page, not a big thing. On the whole the imperfections of doing this now vs. the imperfections of doing it later were weighed and for once we were into being first with our stuff instead of last (which, next to pazz and jop, we tend to be at a year's end). Doing this a few months later wasn't going to change the outcome much anyway: I doubt many 09 LPs would make it either way. Not sure I'll personally vote for more than one or two.

It seems like a lot of content, but it's really not as much as it looks-- three lists on our end, artists lists, a timeline wrapup of events, four essays. Were this a print mag, that's pretty much what any year-end issue would look like, let alone a decade edition. We're just spreading it out over seven/eight weeks.

How dare you have a plan, Scott. It's supposed to be all improv, to be more real.

scott i feel like it's worth saying you are a patient and awesome dude for coming to every inane ilm pitchfork thread and representing the brand with reason and class.

I also think having streams of most songs cushions the could-be bloat and allows the tracks list to work as a library that people can/ideally will return to as much as a list.

For the record, I wasn't complaining about the idea. I just don't like that Lala won't always work (for me, and possibly others as well).

yeah same, i like the idea a lot but prefer those youtube bottom things

why is it only in the last week that i have seen ppl refer to this decade as "the aughts" and not before?

Discovery will be no. 1.

If I had my way:

(1) just awful

(2) even worse

― kshighway, Monday, August 10, 2009 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You are just cruising for a SB, aren't you?

scott i feel like it's worth saying you are a patient and awesome dude for coming to every inane ilm pitchfork thread and representing the brand with reason and class.

^^OTM

why is it only in the last week that i have seen ppl refer to this decade as "the aughts" and not before?

On Andrew Unterberger's countdown of his top 100 songs of the decade, he repeatedly calls it the "Naughty Oughties." The more often he uses the term, the funnier it gets.

You are just cruising for a SB, aren't you?

yah its pretty terrible when some1 like different music from u ~~~ its like theyre not even human!

Slightly off topic: Always been curious to see their original "Top 100 albums of the 90s" list complete with the little blurbs about each selection. Anyone have it saved or know how to access it at this point?

Scott, I'd really love to see that first Top of the 90s list. Unless you guys are embarrassed of it or something, any way I could get a look at it?

Original Pfork top 100 of the 90s list, no blurbs:

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/antoine_doinel/pitchforkmedia_top_100_albums_of_the_1990s__original_list_

and there it is. I think like six people voted in that, from what I was told years later. Ideally about 50 people will vote this time.

Surprised to see Uncle Tupelo on that list. I love Anodyne, but didn't get the sense that it would rank up there on a best of the 1990s poll for an indie pub.

lol Walt Mink

That Walt Mink album is one of my favorite albums of the 90s.

I remember exactly what I listened to in the 80s, and I remember exactly what I've listened to in this decade, but the 90s are a complete blur to me. Most of the Pitchfork list seems familiar, but not exactly likeable. If pressed, I could probably make a list of 100 albums from the 1990s that I like, but I'm really better off leaving a lot of that behind.

okay lol I just saw that El Producto is on there as well as Miss Happiness and yes, that is very lol

I remember exactly what I listened to in the 80s, and I remember exactly what I've listened to in this decade, but the 90s are a complete blur to me. Most of the Pitchfork list seems familiar, but not exactly likeable. If pressed, I could probably make a list of 100 albums from the 1990s that I like, but I'm really better off leaving a lot of that behind.

100% OTM.

wait dan which walt mink album is better? i remember dl'ing them in lol college once.

I love Miss Happiness to an unreasonable degree and basically feel that every subsequent album is worse than the one that precedes it.

OK I am absolutely LOVING that Andrew Unterberger top 100 songs of the decade list posted upthread, but FUCKING HELL it's click, read, click the back button, read, click, read, click the back button, read, click, read, click the back button, read, click previous entries, wait five seconds for the youtubes to load, click, read, click the back button...

just so y'all are ready for this I feel like I oughta let you know I'm gunning for all ten of the top ten slots & have been lobbying hard for em all year

am willing to make room for The Fix but that's about it

congrats in advance on all the fellating

it was rough going at time but I kept my mind focused on my goal

Nothing worth having comes easily.

how the plaque on my wall is gonna read

BEST RECORDS OF THE 2000s

1. Me
2. Me
3. Scarface, The Fix
4. Me
5. Me
6. Me
7. Me
8. Me
9. Me
10. Me

the plaque will be hung above an eternal flame burning in a small alcove in my backyard. it costs fifty cents to see it, unless you were instrumental in the poll that resulted in the plaque: then you get a discount.

when you cross into the alcove you trip a sensor that plays a snippet of a Justice Roberts saying "Man is Nairf!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwajTekSAcM

If Ms. Hoffs is included I'll pony up $1.

that's not Suzanna Hoffs, that's what J0hn d looks like when he's on TV

I heard TV added a few pounds, but I hadn't heard they were all in the breasts.

j0hn d u shld take a scrncap of the top ten list and then print it out (greyscale) and then tack it to the front of your fridge and leave it there until u move

You are just cruising for a SB, aren't you?

― Alex in SF, Monday, August 10, 2009 6:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Alex: This isn't the first time you've said something like this to me for no reason, and I'd like to you to stop it. I'm not trolling; the Wilco and Joanna Newsom LPs are two of my absolute favorite records of the decade, and I'm free to say so, especially in a thread that I started to discuss Pitchfork's end-of-the-decade articles.

I didn't start this thread because I'm trolling either; I actually love Pitchfork, and it's one of two publications--the other being the New York Times--that I've actively visited and consistently enjoyed for the past six years or so.

I'd love to see a Wilco disc on Pitchfork's Top 10 (I'd prefer it to be Sky Blue Sky tho).

I think because it's a list-by-committee type thing, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot has the best chance of placing in the top 10. Some people may rank others higher on their ballots, but some people won't have on their ballots at all.

"...won't have others on their ballots..."

Can't type today!

Yeah, I think YHF has a good chance to make it in the Top 10. P4k gave it a 10, it's their one record people are most aware of, and it's their highest-selling record to date. Ghost has no chance, and both SBS and the new one didn't receive a high enough ranking, and aren't favored by enough people, to make it.

One of the things I love about Wilco is that everyone seems to have a different favorite record of theirs. I really love A ghost is born. I can't think of a better guitar song in indie rock from the past decade than "At Least That's What You Said." By that I just mean there's nothing I love more. The three descending piano chords, Glenn's drumming that follows the guitar and piano so closely, and Jeff's note-spraying guitar work that, although it seems completely random, I wouldn't want to change a single note. The whole record though--especially because of (1) Jim O'Rourke's quiet, ethereal production work, (2)Jeff's lyrics and hey-my-vocals-are-quiet-and-fucked-because-I'm-fucked, and (3) the fucking stellar arrangements--is just wonderful. I've had nothing hit me on quiet the visceral level this record did when I first started listening to it, and it has a high place in my personal canon of favorite records ever.

That being said: Daniel, why are you a SBS fan? I'd love to hear your take on that record!

I'm not especially coherent now (preparing for emergency Hr'g in AM and it's my wedding anniversary!), so this probably won't come out well. Sky Blue Sky hits the right nostalgic buttons for me; I love that country-rock sound, especially when it isn't being used by contemptable bands like The Eagles. I know the songs on SBS aren't as hooky as those on some other Wilco discs, but they make up for it with their arrangements and technique. Also, Nels Cline adds such muscle to the band. His presence change the band's songs from quaint to coiled with power. And I like how they dropped some of the sonic sheen from their songs, and went with more direct, personal lyrics. The songs hold up well without the extra frills.

Anyway, as I say, incoherent babbling.

I didn't start this thread because I'm trolling either; I actually love Pitchfork, and it's one of two publications--the other being the New York Times--that I've actively visited and consistently enjoyed for the past six years or so.

You're either brand new to this "internet" thing, or you're sockpuppet.

lol @ being far enough down some rabbithole that you are incredulous that ppl like kshighway exist.

i have sex with pitchfork

I love P4000 and NYT. My favorite artist is Joanna Newsom. I came to ILX and immediately started threads about how much I love Newsom and P4000.

Such a person does not exist.

His first thread ever was this gem:

Best Music Criticism of the 2000s

"lol @ being far enough down some rabbithole that you are incredulous that ppl like kshighway exist."

Perhaps we have been on ILX too long.

ur right that's a totally horrible idea for a thread

Also, his first post ever on ILX was:

Some of you already mentioned Coldplay, but surprisingly no one said anything about "Viva la Vida," unless you count Geir's "Every single Coldplay song" vote.

I can't think of many, if any, mainstream rock songs from the past decade that were as well produced as that one.

And he made it three posts before starting that thread. Maybe he's just VERY PRECOCIOUS!

sum ppl do read the forums before joining/posting i mean cmon

I'm with Mordy. He's either a sock or the absolute perfect embodiment of one. Not that I'm SBing either way (it was a joke--one I hadn't actually made before I don't think btw.)

OTOH, that best-of music criticism thread led me to these exciting, perceptive reviews of Miles Davis' discs.

Totally SBing for that.

n.e.ways isnt it like super passe to care abt dudes liking indie now ur supposed to h8 dudes who like fidget house or w/e

I don't keep track.

I don't care about what he likes or dislikes. I just think he's a bit too well put together to actually be real.

There's nothing wrong with caring about Pitchfork, the NYT, Joanna Newsom, music criticism, and ILX. There's also nothing wrong with my posting about these things.

Mordy, why do you think I'm a sockpuppet? What am I doing that's upsetting you and Alex so much? Alex? Seriously, I want to know.

Totally SBing for that.

lol, me? I gotta check my totals.

lamp otm back there. and btw i fucking hate fucking mark prindle.

im just saying if u where going to troll ilm ud make a sock that was sum coke usen nyc kid that loved herve and count and sinden and capitalism

lol

And what's wrong with thinking Eno's production on the Coldplay song is better than the production I've heard on any other mainstream rock song?

I'm not upset dude. I just don't think you're real.

FFS who cares

I'd SB Mark Prindle but he doesn't post here.

You aren't upsetting me, kshighway (if that is your real name). I find you very cute. Just somewhat hard to take seriously.

hey kshighway what are you anticipating vis-a-vis arcade fire and all this pitchfork end of decade biz?

i consider myself a member of the kshighway fanclub.

I'm not upset dude. I just don't think you're real.

In a world where Geir Hongro exists you have trouble believing someone like kshighway could be real?

I'm not a music expert. I'm 22 and naive about most music outside of indie rock. I'll own that. But there's nothing wrong with me being enthusiastic about the stuff that I love and starting threads to discuss those things with other people who might be interested in them.

calling unfamiliar posters sockpuppets: for those who absolutely can't engage or ignore.

kshighway keep doing your thing man.

the kid has moxie

Really you need to let this stuff not bother you. If you are really this earnest then we'll accept it eventually (just like we accept that Geir is really Geir) and the laugh'll be on us.

kid's got zeal

If you are really this earnest then we'll accept it eventually (just like we accept that Geir is really Geir) and the laugh'll be on us.

But not totally on us. Cause you'll still be super earnest.

god who would want that

mordy's a little mad cuz the eagles MLB is out for the season ;_;

mordy, you're being hella douchey fyi

XP :'(

:-)

lol k3v bringin the pain.

yr d-coordinator died fyi

the naysayers do not rule this place. kshighway will always be welcome on ilm

nah i'm an eagles fan 2, we like to be upset together and project it elsewhere, it's what philly fans do

xp call all i know :(((

Thanks velko!

I'm not going anywhere, and I'm sure I'll eventually just get used to taking shit for actually liking indie rock here.

I like indie rock too, but not enough to ever talk about it that much. But I'm old. When I was 22, it's all I wanted to talk about.

kshighway the big secret is that everyone acts like they don't like indie rock but check the post count on any thread about the radioheads ;)

There's a lot of indie rock fans here. But: What Dr. Fever said.

uh tbh ilm is like 90% indie rock so i wouldn't really worry

What the hell. Kshighway (who btw is named after Brooklyn??), besides Joanna Newsom, Radiohead and Wilco - three acts that have gotten a ton of exposure - what other stuff do you like? Surely you have differentiated taste outside PFM's top 10 acts of the aughts?

the other 10% is indie guilt

stay classy mordy

the naysayers have always ruled this place. the new generation of earnest twentysomething nudniks posting in the voices of 14-year-old text messagers notwithstanding.

I remember when I was shocked, shocked that everyone hadn't grown out of their earnestness as I had just the other week, too, guys.

Which isn't to say that earnestness isn't like a giant red flag to me, either, obv.

in kshighway's favor, he does post in full sentences with more or less proper spelling and syntax.

Why is it a giant red flag, Matos?

I think the red flag is that people who use the internet at your age tend to have tougher skins about what people say to them.

Because I'm jaded, kshighway.

you clowns the is he a sock portion of the discussion ended 10 minutes ago

in kshighway's favor, he does post in full sentences with more or less proper spelling and syntax.

http://images.inmagine.com/img/designpics/dp014/dp1792270.jpg

you clowns the is he a sock portion of the discussion ended 10 minutes ago

sorry, I missed that meeting back whenever the new generation of total dicks took this place over

forget it, matos. it's a middle school in chinatown.

LOCK THREAD

please

I have a feeling I'll be taken to task for this list, but here's some other stuff "outside PFM's top 10 acts of the aughts" that I love, because Mordy asked. Scrolling through iTunes . . .

Television, Gang of Four, Talk Talk, Scott Walker, Slint, Talking Heads, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, Tool (will get shit for this), A Perfect Circle (ditto), Kraftwerk, The Focus Group, Dinosaur Jr, Cocteau Twins, Joy Division, Aphex Twin, VU, Big Black, Brian Eno, Pavement, Portishead Nick Drake, Mission of Burma, Bob Dylan.

Missed a comma between Portishead and Nick Drake.

wow u guys r totally dignified and awesome

There's good stuff there! You should talk more about those people! Honestly, I'd prefer you start a Tool thread and earnestly defend them than explain why Joanna Newsom is the bomb.

you know, maybe I've changed my mind now

XXP Jeez, stop being a fucking white knight dude. Just think of this thread as a scene out of Irreversible.

i kno rite

You will never get shit for liking Tool or APC.

perhaps on planet ned.

Not from you, Ned, but I'm pretty sure Tool is more or less universally loathed by people here.

nah i like tool

Hey I can dream.

u will find fans

i am now imagining the gaspar noe version of ilx. it involves a metaphor for my wasted life raping me in 2009 and the film then progressing back to 2001.

kshighway no offense but I don't think you've got that much grasp of what's universally loathed by people here

i forgot this was the thread where everybody rated each others taste

iirc we couldn't find anything that didn't have a defender

I'm guessing not much is universally loathed here, considering all of the threads I've seen on a million different genres, so let me correct myself: I'd be willing to bet that the majority of posters on ILM don't have an especially high opinion of Tool.

so who wants me to post the pfork singles list in full?

j/k

strongo thinks very highly of Tool, btw, he's got truckloads of hatemail from a "their last album was better" review to prove it

1. "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)"

xp

hows about i post my assignments and everyone tries to guess where they placed?

2. Crazy Frog, "Axel F"

3. "The Thong Song"

4. Daniel Powter, "Bad Day"

5. "Heaven (DJ Sammy Remix)"

wow u guys r totally dignified and awesome

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:56 AM (8 minutes ago)

6. Antony & the Johnsons, "Hope There's Someone"

7. "How You Remind Me"

8. Avril Lavigne, "Complicated"

i'm confused--like should i be surprised or not by who is being retarded on this thread?

classic bein a dick on the interent stuff here - takin notes 4 sure - good 2 no how the rode in the olde tymes

lol

9. "Poker Face"

10. Lamp, "♀ + ♂ + ♋ = ☿"

11. "where's the love?"

Wow this thread is now a full on nostalgia trip

At some point, this thread became my favorite ILM thread in at least a week.

12. dream - "he loves u not"

13 "incongruous juxtaposition"

I don't want to jinx it, but this is quickly turning into A++ thread.

strongo, you wrote the P4k review for 10,000 Days? (For some reason, because of the "ghost" at the end of your name I thought you were someone using their display name to refer to the fact that Jess doesn't post here anymore for some reason, similarly to how max's display name refers to Dom (RIP).) Still figuring out who's who behind the names here.

Anyway, 5.9 is a pretty fair rating for 10,000 Days. I don't really like that record. Lateralus was better. It's the only Tool record I still own.

"The Thong Song" should, but won't, make the list.

14. Chad Kroger & Josey Scott, "Hero"

14. dj assault - "nipples n clits"

Morday, if ILM and P4k are still around in 2019, I will start a thread about Pitchfork's next best-of-the-decade roundup and dedicate it to you.

15. Asher Roth, "I Love College"

Morday!

I wrote a 1,000+ article on I Love College for my college magazine.

65. bon iver - skinny love (aol im convo remix)

16. . . . And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead, anything

*Mordy, sorry. Hahaha!

Rebecca de Morday

Link pls

17. high on fire - "razor hoof"

18. sting - "if i ever lose my faith"

No way am I linking to that shit.

19. steely dan - "deacon blues"

20. napalm death - "you suffer"

Lateralus is the only Tool record I still own, too. And I just listened to it last week for the first time in ages and liked it a lot.

That you've come to ILM post-Dom Passantino is a great and truly blessed thing. Never take it for granted. several xposts

21. joan osborne - "one of us"

26 abn - umm hmm

I actually referred to Jess's Idolator “Can/Will 2009 Go Lower Than ‘I Love College’?” in that article. That's how I found out about the song in the first place!

22. the banana splits - "tra la la"

There's still Ich Luge Bullets!

this is kinda like when sitcoms stop having jokes and start having catchphrases

23. Pharaoh Sanders, "Black Unity"

24. schooly d - "put your filas on"

42 ryan leslie ft. cassie - addiction (remix)

25. Hercules, "7 Ways to Jack"

99 frightened rabbit - keep yourself warm (bassline mix)

26. janis ian - "at seventeen"

27. steve reich - "it's gonna rain"

28. The Hues Corporation, "Rock the Boat"

29. the moonglows - "sincerely"

Okay, liking this thread less now.

30. william s. burroughs - "bradley the buyer"

yall dont get it its like that comedy shit - if something isnt funny u just keep doin it and doin it eventually at like the mid-50s theres gonna be a wilco track and yall kill yourself laughing

I'm actually listening to Wilco right now, so there is sort of a Wilco soundtrack to this thread (at least for me). "Deeper Down," btw.

31. lamp - "♀ + ♂ + ♋ = ☿ (remix)"

anyways i just wanted to say - always sad that i missed the formative yrs of this msg board having been busy bein 15 and not h8ing myself - thanks 4 the xp

busy bein 15 and not h8ing myself

nice try

there's still plenty of time.

: : sigh : :

seems like you guys have the monopoly tho fyi

tho

fyi you guys hate yourselves. just in case you were wondering idk

lol

2 rite

and good nite ^+^

nite ♀ + ♂ + ♋ = ☿

; )

Wow. What the hell is all this?

^ Pretty good summation of this thread so far. :-)

This is essentially message boarding 101:

Post a thread with the word "Pitchfork" in it, watch it swell to 250 posts by the end of the day

It's weird to think about people kshighway's age who view Pitchfork as this kind of "always been there" enterprise, while us old(er) folk remember when it popped up from nowhere and had many many growing pains.

I was the same age when SPIN started as kshighway was when Pitchfork started.

what a world, man.

i hear some fat limey idiot kid can't use a walkman either

we can help you out with that one

?

I was just giving myself perspective about it all (albeit in a public forum). No reason to punch my balls.

Yeah, Pitchfork was the first music website I really followed, starting back in the first half of 2005.

I read Rolling Stone and Spin before I started following music stuff online.

here's logo:

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/decadeinmusic342_2.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.pitchforkmedia.com

I had no memory at all of the brown layouts in 2003/04.

best part of this thread is getting linked 2 wayback machine for this CLASSSSIC

Beanie Sigel [ft. Cam'ron]: "Dead or Alive"
Turning a Bon Jovi cowboy ballad into twisted funk, tempered by subtle synth and pitch-shifted vocals, Beanie Sigel takes to pirate radio to get his plea for freedom heard by the masses. The vocals sound like Catching a Case for Dummies: Beanie explains that you will fear for your life ("Clip your contacts, stay focused like contacts/ Your head's open for a contract") and your mother's life ("Can't go where mama at, the last place you wanna bring the drama at/ The first place they're gonna try, I promise"), but be sure to use history as a precursor for your escape ("Don't be scared like the red coats coming, nigga/ Stay underground and keep runnin' like Tubman"). Cam'ron appears like a subscriber to the program with his tales of success ("When the operation goes stale, ain't no jail/ I did my whole album on bail!") and references to fugitives of the past ("Read the paper, eggs and OJ/ Call CD The Head of the O.J.'s"). Here's hoping Sigel's spending all his time between court dates in the vocal booth. [Rollie Pemberton; June 4th, 2004] FIVE STARS

btw this song is awful

the review is fine but what a contradiction btween enthusiasm & quality

I'm betting on The Unicorns "Who will cut our hair when we're gone" placing somewhere in the top 30 albums. Kid A or Person Pitch will very likely end up hjacking the top spots.

Also Madvillainy will end up at number.... mmm let's see... 7.

Just wanted to say that kshighway kind of reminds me of me when I first started posting to ILX six years ago. That's all.

Oh, and this is OTM:

lol @ being far enough down some rabbithole that you are incredulous that ppl like kshighway exist.

― wishes to be referred under the pseudonym of kronos (call all destroyer), Monday, August 10, 2009 10:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Keep doing your thing, man.

assuming kshighway is real, which i don't necessarily but don't care - half of me is really heartened by someone who appears to be so into the idea of music writing at all, the other half flinches when i see the examples of what he's into

I had no memory at all of the brown layouts in 2003/04.

me neither. i kinda like them

How many albums did they actually give 10/10 in this decade? I can think of Standards, which I somehow doubt will get a very high rating in the end of decade poll, and one of the Trail of Dead ones...

Also, has anyone mentioned Sophtware Slump?

Pretty sure that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot received the last 10.0 for a new album.

Here's their number one album's for each year of the decade so far for reference

Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet FOxes - Fleet Foxes

I wonder who'll suffer the largest fall from grace? The Rapture are probably in with a shout

I assume the writers were polled, so it'd depend on whether the ppl who repped for say The Glow Pt 2 back then are still reppin for it now. in any case, I appreciate the list, since I can now go to this thread whenever I forget who it is I have beef with

still dig the first three on that list

have only heard four of those records tbh

that is a truly woeful, woeful list

this isn't necessarily a judgment of any kind on pfork or indie rock or any of you guys but it seems to me that a lot of the albums ppl are mentioning have aged incredibly poorly.

of that list i only really like the knife and that interpol record; kid a and the microphones are decent i guess, illinoise is a couple notches below that, not a fan of the other four.

will Voodoo make the top 10? top 20?

why wait for Pitchfork

rateyourmusic.com: 2000s Top 1000 Albums
http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2000s

Kid A is number 1 rated album of the decade at the mo

why wait for Pitchfork

because it's more interesting than looking at an unannotated list on rateyourmusic?

Kid A is number 1 rated album of the decade at the mo

The "Amalie" soundtrack is rated #10. I don't think that's a list worth following.

Anomelie

amelie soundtrack is like the official european backpack alb tho

but the rateyourmusic top 100 will be superior to Pitchfork

i.e albums from: Ulver, Negura Bunget, Porcupine Tree, Neurosis, Isis, Drudkh, Rosetta, Primordial, Disillusion, Agalloch, maudlin of the Well, Bohren & der Club of Gore, Arcturus, Opeth

Two bands I've heard and liked bookending a bunch of shit I don't care about! You're right, clearly superior!

^was waiting for this post before I posted, cheers

xp

ayo j0hn I really like The Fix too, lemme know if you need an intern or something

stuffing envelopes and threatening p4k staffers sounds like just the thing I need to cure my obamalaise

Two bands I've heard and liked bookending a bunch of shit I don't care about! You're right, clearly superior!

For a second I thought you were talking about the Pitchfork list of number ones for the decade and I'm all "I thought you liked the Knife..."

in what fucked-up dimension would I EVER proclaim myself to be a Fleet Foxes fan

Hey you said you liked them on SNL! I figured something weird had happened.

that Knife album has aged super well, fwiw. I probably like it even more now than I did when it came out.

Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet FOxes - Fleet Foxes

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I will rep for Radiohead, The Rapture and The Knife any time, any place. And Ned, I said that Fleet Foxes did a good job but were really boring; not exactly ringing endorsement!

(pro-tip: Silent Shout makes an awesome soundtrack for Wipeout HD)

sufjan stevens will suffer from a combination of too-big-too-fast/what-have-you-done-for-me-lately?, but one of my stoner buddies is convinced he's gonna totally reinvent himself and drop "the merriweather post pavilion of 2010"

^^^^zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i guess i should stfu and get off this thread but seriously, i think we should all aim a little higher than the merriweather post pavilion of 2010

making total sense on a pitchfork thread in '09

So have we officially given up on Sufjan doing all 50 states? I wish I would've put money on it way back when.

You know, I don't know that I have knowingly heard Sufjan Stevens; if I have, it wasn't memorable at all.

Isn't Stevens' next opus a concept album on the health care debates raging in rural Congressional districts?

one man's merriweather post pavilion of 2010 is another man's "freebird" of 1998

sufjanized medicine

enuff about other people's lists, when can we start the rolling ILM decade nominations thread? it'd be nice to have it around for people to lob things at (and for people like me, who have missed 88 percent of all of the interesting music this decade, to sample from). i assume there won't be a poll til early next year, but it's not too early to start the chin-stroking, is it?

("that's not your chin" jokes here...)

there's a semi thread somewhere for this iirc

From an ILM list, I expect at least one if not two MG albums, Portishead, The Knife, Radiohead, and then a bunch of stuff that I won't really care about one way or another.

Beaches And Canyons btw

there's a semi thread somewhere for this iirc

there's a few things -- "hit of the decade," "anti-hit of the decade," etc. nothing comprehensive tho.

true that the final ilm list might not be much more interesting than anyone else's, but the nomination discussion could be.

Your Top Ten Fave Singles/Albums of This Decade

musically handles the year-end lists and I guess should have first say in what'll happen regarding a decade list (even if just to say someone else do it.)

oh right the top 10 thread, forgot about that.

Just wanted to say that kshighway kind of reminds me of me when I first started posting to ILX six years ago. That's all.

Oh, and this is OTM:

lol @ being far enough down some rabbithole that you are incredulous that ppl like kshighway exist.

― wishes to be referred under the pseudonym of kronos (call all destroyer), Monday, August 10, 2009 10:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Keep doing your thing, man.

― jaymc, Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:03 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Thanks, jaymc.

Also, I'm just curious: How do I remind you of what you were like when you first started posting, and why do some people have a hard time believing I exist? Serious questions.

you changed man
you used to be about the posting
what happened
?

This is like Alex in NYC trolling again, right? Mods can still do IP checks, can't they?

Alex in SF, hello again!

LOL

assuming kshighway is real, which i don't necessarily but don't care - half of me is really heartened by someone who appears to be so into the idea of music writing at all, the other half flinches when i see the examples of what he's into

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

I'm not a gimmick. Why would I waste time coming here to talk about indie music if I didn't really like it? As some sort of performance just to mock indie kids? Well, I'm not doing that. I've spent the past five years exploring indie music and other stuff like some postpunk, and I'm sure I'll branch out from here, but so far I've spent most of my time just focusing on getting into indie. And there's nothing wrong with that. It may not be hip to some of you here that I like this stuff, and some of you seem to think I'm too earnest, but I am the way I am and I like what I like. I also like posting here because it is rewarding to talk to a lot of you, and I learn a lot about music and other things.

i meant the examples of music writing you bring up! all that horribly verbose pitchfork purple prose crap.

you can like whatever music you like obv (tho) if ilm inspires you to check out stuff beyond indie then i'm sure everyone here will be v happy, like we were when LJ did it

"Why would I waste time coming here to talk about indie music if I didn't really like it?"

Why do trolls do what they do? It's a deep existential question. We should have a thread about it.

I mean, if he is a real person, why would he post on a board full of jaded cranks and not, like, the Saddle Creek board?

Thank you, Whiney.

I post here because this is the only music board on the internet where people actually seem to know what they're talking about. It's a good education, and I try to contribute what little I can.

wow being polite and offending ur sensibilities with indie music taste, his parents prolly didn't love him enough or something, srsly what the hell is wrong with you alex?

i'd lose some of your illusions about people knowing what they're talking about tho

How do I remind you of what you were like when you first started posting

I was really into indie rock and Pitchfork and probably fairly earnest about it, too (not that there's anything wrong with that):

I think this was my second post ever:

Hey nabisco, et al. -- how come no Pitchfork writers voted in the Pazz & Jop? Seems like writing for the site should be make you far more reputable than some of the freelancers they get lists from. Then again, I don't know what's involved in submitting a list.

Partially, I bring it up cuz I feel like PFM writers could have some sway. At least Enon, who put out such a fun record (#15 on Pitchfork's year-end), wouldn't have to languish at #733 (!!) on P&J02.

― jaymc, Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:09 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wonder what ksh's erykah badu moment will be

disappointed you're not still reviewing RnB trax tbh

"srsly what the hell is wrong with you alex?"

Apparently I'm a terrible person who doesn't believe in Santa Claus.

It's ok T, I know what thread they're all on, I'll reclaim the cudgel some time soon

Also:

Yes. Elastica would be nowhere without Wire, granted, but "Elastica" > "Pink Flag."
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:21 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I vigorously protest against Jaymc's greater than comparison. I am too tired to do otherwise at present.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:22 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hmmm. I'm not making friends too quickly on ILM, am I?
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:24 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No no, stick to your guns, that's a good thing. :-) It's just that I don't think Elastica ever did much of worth; others disagree.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:26 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Jaymc, don't worry about it, people here are usually pretty rational about distinguishing between disliking a person and disliking their opinions. I'm not taking this too seriously.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:30 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Jaymc, don't worry about it, people here are usually pretty rational about distinguishing between disliking a person and disliking their opinions. I'm not taking this too seriously.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:30 AM (6 years ago)

;_;

Jaymc, don't worry about it, people here are usually pretty rational about distinguishing between disliking a person and disliking their opinions.

good point to remember-- though i think you're crazy for liking Elastica more than Pink Flag. . .

Have you changed your mind about "Elastica" vs "Pink Flag" ?

Cuz if you haven't I don't believe you are a real person Mr. Jaymc or whatever you are calling yourself now. *makes squinty suspicious look in general direction of Chicago*

I think I tried to give Pink Flag another couple of tries, but it never really did much for me. Maybe I'll return to it later. I like "Outdoor Miner" and "The 15th," though.

What a delastica

I got jaymc's back – I listen to Elastica far more than Pink Flag.

jaymc, thanks for posting some of your early posts. They make me feel better about some of my own efforts! :-)

some people are under the impression that there's a prize for being the first person to correctly ID a sockpuppet, so they overcorrect by routinely yelling "sockpuppet!" as much as they can

in a crowded theater, on fire

One of the things I like about ILX is that people with insanely divergent perspectives and tastes can coexist, even if that that coexistence is often chaotic.

A++, everyone.

One that.

to be clear, i have no idea what "sockpuppet" means, and my ire wasn't directed at earnest young adults who've recently discovered indie rock.

a sockpuppet is a fake user created by a forum regular, usually for trolling purposes

"some people are under the impression that there's a prize for being the first person to correctly ID a sockpuppet"

Oh I do so hope I win this prize for guessing Alex in NYC earlier. ;-)

FTR I have no ire towards anyone on this thread. Well maybe Dan for his user name. But no not really.

haha blame nickalicious for that one

Oh yeah I hate that guy even more now.

Also, re:

assuming kshighway is real, which i don't necessarily but don't care - half of me is really heartened by someone who appears to be so into the idea of music writing at all, the other half flinches when i see the examples of what he's into

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Glad I can be somewhat heartening even though my taste isn't to all of your liking. It will get better, promise. :-)

kshighway has instantly become my favourite ILMer

you guys realize that dude is not a puppy, right

didn't we suggest ban 'a puppy'?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/x3Rmp1Hjoqz8eyciSAf5dwX7o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1250107374&Signature=1T9NkEMhESY8WIevKAFAVu08e7o%3D

"you guys realize that dude is not a puppy, right"

The only way you could know that is if he's your SOCKPUPPET, Dan! What do I win? What do I win?

That puppy looks somewhat distraught!

welcome to the fridge motherfucker

he's got nabisco's hand up his ass, for starters

Here's their number one album's for each year of the decade so far for reference

Radiohead - Kid A
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
The Rapture - Echoes
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
The Knife - Silent Shout
Panda Bear - Person Pitch
Fleet FOxes - Fleet Foxes

^goddamn, how painful

I've only heard two of those all the way through.

I am not P4k approved.

I like all of those records bar FF (have not heard The Glow). I am p4k approved, also known as 21 y/o white boy.

good
haven't heard
ok
don't like
good
not bad
amazing
haven't heard
good

thanks omar!

or would you have preferred

7.1
--
6.2
3.6
7.3
6.6
9.5
--
7.0

3.6? ;_;

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/aireckoressal/gifs/dealwithit.gif

alternatively

haven't heard
haven't heard
haven't heard
this is ok
this is pretty good
i like this
undeniably awesome
pretty great imo
haven't heard

no you misunderstand, I am crying for you and the awesomeness you are missing out on for not liking NY hipsters who channel Robert Smith filtered over a rock/disco band

you can like whatever music you like obv (tho) if ilm inspires you to check out stuff beyond indie then i'm sure everyone here will be v happy, like we were when LJ did it

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:42 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

this is almost incomprehensibly meta-snarky

-

i actually like all the pitchfork year-enders. i think they all (except maybe the microphones) come out of a kind of 'so, what record did all the pitchfork writers have somewhere between places four and twelve on their individual list' place

Radiohead - Kid A <--- eh, haven't listened to it in years
The Microphones - The Glow pt 2<--- not since 03, as a freshman year alcoholic
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights<--- loved this record when it came out, was done with it by the end of 03
The Rapture - Echoes<--- jesus. january 04 was the last i heard this?
Arcade Fire - Funeral<--- don't know anything about it.
Sufjan Stevens - Illinois<--- ditto
The Knife - Silent Shout<--- was rapturous about it then, can't imagine listening to it now, but still great album etc.
Panda Bear - Person Pitch<--- i started the thread on this
Fleet FOxes - Fleet Foxes<--- who the fuck are fleet foxes?

also, i found my first post-- it was about the Magik Markers. lol.

i am making my own top 500 divided into 5 thus:

a) instrumentals (inc. hit singles)
b) uk top 40 singles (not inc. instrumentals or remixes of the 'a-side')
c) non-singles (albums and ep tracks but not remixes)
d) remixes, re-edits, mixtracts mash-ups and other combinations
e) other singles (not top 40)

cos i can

i'm kinda more interested in the token non indie that pitchfork, not tryin to deny them the right or anything, but what was crossover pitchfork-appealing?

WHOA. do any of you remember Mickey?

Of course.

Who's guessing this thing reaches 1000 posts before they even post the first song

i'm sorry, i 've gotten carried away looking at my history on ilx.

this would appear to be my first post:

free jazz (or at least the idea of it; it's not like i know what i'm talking about) seems not so far from the basic squawky noises already heard in rock; listening to older jazz means getting accustomed to following chord changes and working out what's happening = in some ways more genuinely foreign than the stuff that (apparentlysupposedly) seemed impossibly far-out in the 60s
(i don't think this process is anything to do with 'visceral emotion')

― t0m w3st, Monday, November 10, 2003 5:57 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also they write about it in the wire
― t0m w3st, Monday, November 10, 2003 6:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark

although bizarrely someone else with my name posted this on the missy elliott / fremma neppe venette thread:

u are all dense u know! ever heard of a shitty little windows program called sound recorder?? well record the part of the song that u r all arguin about and then play it back using the reverse function........and it blatantly says: "I put my thang down flip it and reverse it" if u dont believe me try it....and listen to all the people that bin tellin u that the whole time!!
― T0m W3st, Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:18 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark

It's like this thread is promising to be the culmination of ILM.

My own first post ever references a Pitchfork review :-/

seeing someone on here a little older than myself getting thrashed for his indie earnestness makes me wonder how I survived you cranks.

My favourite review of recent weeks has to be Cokemachineglow's staunch and beautifully-written defence of Bitter Tea. I'll get back to y'all with my all-time favourites... (and the winner, without a shadow of a doubt, is Pitchfork on Obie Trice, simultaneously the greatest and yet most awful single piece of music writing...ever)

I've written my own (IMO quite wittily-observed) spoof review but I'm not sure how I could post it here...

― L0uis J4gger (Haberdager), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:30 (3 years ago) Bookmark

I thought ILM hated Pitchfork.

But I am sure Pitchfork will do the opposite you see on this thread. Just to piss ILM off. And then things go full circle

Uhhhh... like half of ILM writes for Pitchfork.

"And I will stir up ILXor against ILXor, brother will troll brother..."

i'm a BIG fan of kshighway! keep doing what you are doing as i'm doing just fine with my love of indie music on ILM.

this might be the first post i made on this thing called ILM:

slowdive: classic or dud?#

I’m still brand new but wanted to chime in, though I find it strange that you guys have all these classic or duds posts.

I would say classic but happen to really like a lot of stuff that came out around that time and would not put dud next to many bands except something like Curve. I also think its silly to compare Slowdive to Mojave 3 because they are very different bands. Mojave 3 are often overlooked because of the former but I think they are also really good. The best M3 album, IMO, happens to be Out Of Tune with the glorious “This Road I’m Travelling.” I will agree that Rachel’s album is just kind of there because I never listen to it. Neil’s album, on the other hand, is quite good though it does have a few fillers. I even think I listened to it more than the last M3 album. I was on slsk last week and Neil Halstead happened to be hanging out in one of the rooms. I joined the room after he was already chatting and was wondering why everyone was acting so strange. He was having computer problems and left. So I was writing about this on a music message board I usually post at, than low and behold he came back. He was saying that he is going to have a new solo album come out in February. I tried to say hi but his computer was having problems and I never got a word in edge wise.

Moose are brilliant and will have to disagree with most of you on this thread again. The reason I say that is because they became better once they put away their petals, though I love that stuff as well. Moose turned into one of the best bands of the 1990’s once they mellowed out.

-Bee

― BeeOK (BeeOK), Friday, November 26, 2004 8:37 PM (4 years ago)

Thanks, Bee OK, for the encouragement and for sharing your first post!

So they've put up 500 - 201 of the tracks list and they don't have commentary. Makes you wonder why they didn't just do a top 200 instead.

srsly stop this "aughts" nonsense

Wow. I thought that having the song samples right next to the list could have been cool, but then I have to "sign up to activate the music player"? No thanks.

even worse, i actually tried to sign up: "only available in the US" well f u then

The 500 song list seems a bit pointless. For a start it's too many songs for a "list", and the choices have obviously come from a huge range of people with totally different tastes. So there's no sense whatsoever of reasoning or unity... Is Yellow by Coldplay really better than Carry Me Ohio by Sun Kil Moon? They may as well have just picked 500 random songs. Yo.

yo?

Just thought I'd add a Yo, it was all getting a bit serious back there.

appreciate it

back there, 5 minutes ago, in a post

Callin' out by real names.

the choices have obviously come from a huge range of people with totally different tastes.

this is a really good thing tho

lots of great songs in 300-201. toss the first four pages.

Really? I kind of felt like it declined in quality as it went along, though I like it all so far.

The parlor game here is to figure out who gave each of the non-blurbed tracks their one nomination.

good luck with that?

OK it's really more like "which of my friends picked the tracks I actually like?"

though I really do hope we get to see individual contributors' lists at the end of this; they're always more interesting.

The 500 song list seems a bit pointless. For a start it's too many songs for a "list", and the choices have obviously come from a huge range of people with totally different tastes. So there's no sense whatsoever of reasoning or unity...

Maybe, but I don't see the problem. I mean, it isn't as though including Track Nos. 500 -- 201 somehow adversely impacted the selection of the Top 200 Tracks. And seeing the rest of the list identified songs I had overlooked, some of which I'll sample and maybe love.

Is Yellow by Coldplay really better than Carry Me Ohio by Sun Kil Moon?

NO.

god, what a boring decade.

Is Yellow by Coldplay really better than Carry Me Ohio by Sun Kil Moon?

Actually, yes it is.

Anyone want to venture a guess at which songs will make the top ten?

though I really do hope we get to see individual contributors' lists at the end of this; they're always more interesting.

― Matos W.K., Monday, August 17, 2009 10:11 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

HAPPY FOURTH TIME SOMEONE'S SAID THAT IN THIS THREAD!!!!

http://pages.prodigy.net/rallenmiller/balloons.jpg

Immediate thoughts:

Battles - Atlas
Antony and the Johnsons - Hope There's Someone
JT - My Love

xpost

I can't believe how bored this list made me.

Top 10 will include:

Hey Ya
Paper Planes

Something from Ys, and something from Kid A...

If Paper Planes makes the top 10 then good lord I'll be speechless with indignation

Haagan-Dazs is better than Ys.

I can't believe how bored this list made me.

lol I was just thinking how good a decade it's been for music. De gustibus non est disputandum.

You guys can complain all day, but the list has Baby's "What Happened To That Boy" in my head all morning, so I have no problem with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX6rC1krGp0

PR-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R

guys this list is SO BORING that billstevejim might actually post a THIRD TIME about it

I enjoyed lots of music this decade, but only a small percentage of it was represented between 500 and 201 on this thing.

The lala clips are significantly slowing down my computer and I can't even listen to them.

tbh i just care about individual writers' lists

these boring lala clips on this page that i keep refreshing are so boring that i'm vacillating between my rabid desire to hear them and comment and how bored I am

― billstevejim, Monday, August 17, 2009 10:58 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

only a small percentage of the music i like is ever represented on a list made by someone else. i'd have to make the list for it to have all stuff i like.

I'm happy "Uzi" made the cut.

I'm sorry that my boredom offends you.

this thread is already depressing and is going to get worse but i just can't look away.

Awww, Whiney's on a "tear" again.

will whiney have his list posted on the individual writers' lists?

gah i'm not doing very well with this joke guys

maybe whiney can just start a thread about his 500 favorite songs of the decade and we'll see who it bores.

should only be allowed if he does it in his twitter style imo

TRUE CONFESSIONS:

I actually really want to be listening to some of these P2k Lala tracks that I didn't hear/don't remember, but I'm so far behind on my Twitter project that I have to listen to Fabolous and Thrice instead today
#zerothworldproblems

That list has some good stuff on it. Especially delighted by that Twilight Sad song...it's incendiary and more people need to hear it.

Fabolous just said, "I'm not that pregnant white girl but Ju-know" #fuckmylife

If Paper Planes makes the top 10 then good lord I'll be speechless with indignation

speechless? you promise? arf

pitchfork, more like, dont know anything about music fork

right

right guys

but does it bore you, that's the real question.

I know at least 51 ways to make jagger speechless with indignation

pitchfork, more like, pitch-bore-k, because its boring

top fifty does not contain ulver, also suggest ban

damn cant believe the top fifty doesnt contain ulver

way to lose all credibility pitchfork

btw i got an advance copy of the list--#1 song is by mansun louis

so u should be happy

dullver, my mother claims

more like sucks-ver

mansun's 00's output is not exactly stunning...i am speechless with indignation

i was so bored I fell asleep and had the worst nightmare that i was posting on a boring message board where people wouldn't stop talking about how boring things were, and everyone kept screaming "individual writers lists" at the top of their lungs, and max was there making fun of everyone and a pervert was crying about ulver. So glad I woke up!

i hope when the list comes out we can choose the top 200 posts on this thread

how dare you whiney - i am not actually serious abt ulver

You keep dreaming that I was screaming at the top of my lungs about anything.

Fabolous just said, "I'm not that pregnant white girl but Ju-know" #fuckmylife

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, August 17, 2009 11:18 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol i've had that fuckin' line stuck in my head all morning

"Individual lists are more interesting" has become such a cliche, I wonder if people actually believe it. I do like looking at individual writers' lists, especially those of people I know, and it does provide a useful context for the amalgamated list, but is it more interesting? I dunno, a good deal of my fascination with lists like these is in how they solidify canons. Even if we can predict some of the albums that will be in the top 10 or top 20, my overall understanding of what was considered important by the indie world this decade is still kind of inchoate at this point, and I look forward to the final results to get a better bead on it. Plus, even if you're looking at this list from a purely pragmatic standpoint -- as a way to get turned on to stuff you haven't heard -- wouldn't you rather rely on songs or albums that have demonstrated consensus appeal than a vote in the middle of a random writer's ballot?

i agree w/ this, in that i dont really care abt random writer's ballots - i just usually look out for the writers that i already care abt.

i agree w/ this, in that i dont really care abt random writer's ballots - i just usually look out for the writers that i already care abt.

I guess I didn't think I had to spell this out, but this is exactly what I mean.

Well, sure, I'm going to glance with interest at the ballots of writers I know and like. But the iTunes playlist I make will be Pitchfork's Best of the 2000s, not [nabisco] [.]'s Best of the 2000s.

(Haha, I just wanted to see if it still auto-corrected Nabisco's name.)

Well the writer lists are nowhere near as long as the final list, so making playlists from the ones I'm interested in wouldn't be that difficult anyway.

[nabisco] [.]

haha

DUMPLINGS!

whoa it's not only on that particular thread

tracks i am especially happy to see on the list:
N.E.R.D. "Run To The Sun"
Cee-Lo "I'll Be Around"
Madonna "Don't Tell Me"
Freeway "Flipside"
Rich Boy "Throw Some D's"
Ted Leo "Timorous Me"

ones that aren't bad but i'm kinda scratching my head why they bothered to single them out:
The Roots "Don't Feel Right"
Lil Kim "The Jump Off"
Alicia Keys "You Don't Know My Name (Reggae Remix)" <--- over the original!?
Beanie Sigel "Feel It In The Air"
Missy Elliott "Pass That Dutch"
Dinosaur Jr. "Almost Ready"
Outkast "The Whole World"

ok "Pass That Dutch" is straight up bad

rong

I don't hate "Dutch" but it is kind of puzzling to see there.

Alicia Keys "You Don't Know My Name (Reggae Remix)" <--- over the original!?

Maybe the original is higher up. (I feel the same way about Dntel's "This Is the Dream" not being the Superpitcher remix.)

i dunno -- it seems like Pitchfork takes the opposite stance of P&J, in that if there's any minor support for a remix or alternate version of a song, that gets the nod instead of the original

i would make a case for Pass That Dutch. it's faster more intense beat and relentless heavy bass that was just the same note three times gave it something that e.g. Work It doesn't have. Work It is probably better overall but on its own terms ...Dutch is as fun as anything.

i kinda feel like when doing lists like this, where you know a key singles artist of the era like Missy is going to be represented more than once, you still have to be selective and include only their very best. i don't think that song's among her very best by a long shot.

and probably one of her better songs for that pure GOTTA DANCE impulse xp

As ILM's foremost Wilco expert, I have a bone to pick with this fucking list!

#411 is "Handshake Drugs." OK, awesome.

But the album art shown is for the More Like The Moon EP and the year is 2003. The More Like The Moon EP did come out in 2003, but it contained a completely different version of "Handshake Drugs" than the one on A ghost is born. The embedded audio file is from A ghost is born. Either Pitchfork's writers like the inferior version on the EP and put up the wrong audio file, or the album artwork and date are RONG.

That being said, A++ P4k for putting this together. It's fascinating to look through.

i dunno -- it seems like Pitchfork takes the opposite stance of P&J, in that if there's any minor support for a remix or alternate version of a song, that gets the nod instead of the original

― some dude, Monday, August 17, 2009 12:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, this is the way to make platinum artists still seem like elitist/hip/contarian/indie choices. It isn't just p4k that does this...

i kinda feel like when doing lists like this, where you know a key singles artist of the era like Missy is going to be represented more than once, you still have to be selective and include only their very best. i don't think that song's among her very best by a long shot.

ILM disagrees with you!

This Is Not A Poll!: The Missy Elliott Singles Poll.

I mean, as soon as any song leaks--even something as benign as Das Racist--blogs fight to stake claim to the "best" remix

it's meme economy tactics

and i'm not singling out pfork. everyone does this now.

x(...)post

Also, according to my knowledge + Wikipedia, "Handshake Drugs" was never formally released as a single. Guessing that doesn't matter so much here.

i'm glad they used the lego sleeve for the B&S song

I really love how you can stream all the embedded songs. "Fake Palindromes!" Yes 2005!

spotify playlist: http://bit.ly/vSElp

@kshighway: It's probably my favorite song on A Ghost Is Born, fwiw. (Although I did listen to "At Least That's What You Said" the other day because of you -- I'd forgotten how good the guitar solo is.)

Handshake Drugs is my favourite Wilco song period (well, IATTBYH and Poor Places give it a good run) and I'm glad it's here.

@jaymc: "Handshake Drugs" is such a good song!

And that's so awesome that you re-listened to ALTWYS and liked the guitar solo. It's one of my favorite songs, ever.

seriously I will smack you guys if you keep doing tweet-style referencing of each other

It's THE NOW, man.

HAHAHA. @HI DERE: Will comply, sir!

I guess including the album version of Handshake Drugs means the live version on the Kicking Television album won't be on the list. That's a shame, because it's a very different song in that live performance. Both versions are good.

Daniel, I had come to accept your italicizing of song titles as a personal affectation, but I hadn't realized that you put album titles in roman. I just don't know about that.

haha a couple months ago i saw someone on ilx do a twitter-style reply to someone and was like "please god no please don't let this become standard"

I try to be consistent with formatting, but I often forget how I'd done it before and default to whatever I think looks right at the moment. It's one of my many -- many, many -- failings. (xp).

Heh, no big deal, I'm a copy editor, so I probably notice these things more than most.

u gais are sooo cute :)

lol

I like a lot of the things on this list and am intrugied by many of the things I've not heard = it's going to be better than most end of decade lists I'll see. People seem to just be complaining for the sake of complaining.

ILM disagrees with you!

This Is Not A Poll!: The Missy Elliott Singles Poll.

― it's like i have a couple worked up vadges under my arms (HI DERE), Monday, August 17, 2009 12:20 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't understand how a poll where "Pass That Dutch" got one vote contradicts my view that it's not her best wrok

failed mainstreaming of indie music imo

476. Ward 21
"Petrol"

nice

222. Three 6 Mafia
"Sippin' on Some Syrup"
[Loud/Relativity; 2000]

this is way way way too low

219. Lil Mama
"Lip Gloss"
[Zomba; 2007]

i mean i liked this song but three ahead of 'sippin'??

thank god it was not four

not to be all "placements don't matter w/ any big list" but i think you're better off not really paying attention to those numbers and just asking whether something is on the list at all or not.

So, a surprising amount of stuff I like in the top 300, and a surprising amount of stuff I have never and hopefully will never hear. A few notes:

- J0hn D., "Death Metal Band.." got #230 !!! that and "No Children" were the first of your songs i ever heard. i still sing both in the shower all the time.

- ugh, the fact that they picked something from We Are Monster, and "Schrapnell" at that, is incredibly disappointing. Western Store and Rest are about a million times better as albums.

- lol at two Villalobos drops in the top 300.

- WHY ARE THERE NO TRACKS BY LOW? if they don't put something from Things We Lost in the Fire or Trust in the top 200, i will be totally shocked and disappointed.

yeah let's not do any "NO TRACKS BY ____" posts until the whole thing is up

sorry. i just was slightly shocked.

WHY ARE THERE NO TRACKS BY LOW?
Because the list is aesthetically retarded so far.

"- ugh, the fact that they picked something from We Are Monster, and "Schrapnell" at that, is incredibly disappointing. Western Store and Rest are about a million times better as albums."

... this is not a list of albums...?

yeah let's not do any "NO TRACKS BY ____" posts until the whole thing is up

― some dude, Monday, August 17, 2009 2:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

deej, i know. but if i'm right, there won't be another Isolee track on the list. and if any track should be on it, i would say "I Owe You" or "Lost".

Well, sure, I'm going to glance with interest at the ballots of writers I know and like. But the iTunes playlist I make will be Pitchfork's Best of the 2000s, not nabisco.'s Best of the 2000s.

― jaymc,

jaymc is making a playlist about pitchfork's best of the 2000s.

who isn't!

No Nate Dogg, no credibility.

Yeah, I have playlists for Pitchfork's top songs for every year since 2004, Stylus's top songs from 2003 to 2007, Stylus's top 50 of 2000-04, the Pitchfork 500, etc. (Not all are completely filled out, but I usually make an attempt to download the stuff I don't have.)

No Nate Dogg, no credibility.

tbh i will cry foul if there's no "The Next Episode" or "Can't Deny It"

I also made Stylus playlists. Makes me really sad they're gone. They should try and reunite the staff for a non paid one time only end of the decade feature.

306. Dr. Dre [ft. Kurupt, Snoop Dogg, and Nate Dogg]
"The Next Episode"
[Aftermath/Interscope; 2000]

That'll teach me to actually look at p4k. Or not.

my bad, saw that earlier but forgot it

I just happened to be reading the list as you started complaining about lack of nate dogg. don't really care that much either way. it's a good list, i can't name a solo nate dogg single, not really deserving a giant bloody thread imo but it's pitchfork and some folks gotta get annoyed at what other folks on the same message board they talk to about music every day make a list about.

most people can't name a solo nate dogg single, that's not what he's known for

I also made Stylus playlists. Makes me really sad they're gone. They should try and reunite the staff for a non paid one time only end of the decade feature.

Careful what you wish for.

nate dogg is a feeling

thanking u

I also made Stylus playlists. Makes me really sad they're gone. They should try and reunite the staff for a non paid one time only end of the decade feature.

________________________

Careful what you wish for

― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy)

That's as cryptic as when you said, in response to rumors that Stylus was closing, "I'm still writing."

Shh!

best album of the nil years. amnesiac. by a million light years. this album captured the spirit of the decade. the decade of angst & insecurity. it started with 911 and finished with the end of the market. i still cannot believe that the world still seems to be more or less ok right now. stress on seems, i guess.

When hasn't a decade been defined by angst and insecurity?

I don't think there are enough words in the English language for me to adequately express how strongly I disagree with you, Alex.

best album of the nineties. color me badd. by a million light years. this album captured the spirit of the decade. the decade of angst & insecurity. it started with desert storm and finished with the stock market hitting 10,000. i still cannot believe that the world still seems to be more or less ok right now. stress on seems, i guess.

amnesiac sucks btw.

best album of the nineties. sublime. by a million light years. this album captured the spirit of the decade. the decade of angst & insecurity. it started with flannel shirts and finished with black trenchcoats. i still cannot believe that the world still seems to be more or less ok right now. stress on seems, i guess.

yeah, alex, Amnesiac really isn't that good. sorry.

i mean i hate to slam someone's (apparent) sincerity but tbh "the decade in music" is an absurd exercise and at best will serve to remind us of random shit we forgot about from 2003 or something.

gotta say i would not have predicted any longtime poster gunning for kshighway's spot on this thread

alex is right. Amnesiac *is* the best album of the decade.

No he isn't. Amnesiac is a fucking shambles with several great songs and a bunch of blindingly pretentious, half-assed bullshit on it.

yeah, you really have to be a Radiohead fanboy to hold alex's opinion.

cone toaster is probably awesome, but at the height of my black dice mania I never heard it, so I don't really think about it when I think of Black Dice but it's considered their big one tho really right? just wondering if I should expect to see smiling off or manoman or something

alex is right. Amnesiac *is* the best album of the decade.

^^^ most suggest banable post of the decade

i'm glad we're getting a jumpstart on the Radiohead pissing match that this thread will inevitably become

I'm out of breath from my practice run.

Well no one else cares about The Cure anymore and the rest of this is boring so I've got to entertain myself somehow!

gotta say i would not have predicted any longtime poster gunning for kshighway's spot on this thread

― some dude, Monday, 17 August 2009 19:38 (12 minutes ago)

Shit, I hope I'm not out of a job.

The one thing you very, very, very rarely see someone post in response to anything I post: OTM. I am the anti-nabisco.

This is not a role to aspire to.

I am the anti-nabisco.

Actually Mr Snrub is the anti-nabisco, sorry.

uh, maybe wait around a while before you start assigning yourself roles dude.

amnesiac is not the best album of the decade but it is pretty good imo. happy to share my opinion wrt this matter

haha ks can't get a break. don't even try to define yourself until we've made up our minds!!

lol, was trying to be nice and all, maybe don't tell us all that you don't have a clue or we'll just take it for granted

I'm just trolling Snrub

that's nice

I am the anti-nabisco.

dude used sockpuppets tho

http://shallmakenolaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/toughguy.jpg

u guys, have I told you I have horns and a dragon tattoo on my back?

I know, right?

i am just listening to amnesiac. and while i still like it lots i have to admit something. it doesn't sound as grim, as apocalyptic, as devastating as it sounded in 2001. i guess that has to do with the fact that the world has changed in the meantime. it has overtaken amnesiac in the respect of gloominess. on the other hand. no future has been the credo of my generation, i.e. punk. and there always has been a kind of future. anyways which other album could possibly capture the spirit of the decade?

There isn't an album that can capture the spirit of this decade. We won't even know what the spirit of this decade is until 20 years have passed and we've forgotten all the details.

dubstep

"dubstep"

xpost

After this last time, I'm just going to ignore attacks on me, because it's a waste of time, words, and good thread real estate.

Look, I do have a clue. I'm younger than most of you, and I know less about music than most of you, but I'm making a good faith effort to contribute what I do know here and not get too down about being attacked all the time. The second thing becomes easier as I realize that's just how shit goes here. (I have been on forums in the past where it wasn't an accepted sport for posters to be dicks to each other.)

Anyway, I'm just going to keep trying, and I will become more OTM over time. I will also dispense more Wilco knowledge to the ILM collective, promise.

From this point on, I am not going to deal with haters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzXcNgCr0nk

what spirit of the decade? it's like you're grasping for straws that ceased to exist a while ago.

gahhhhhh this fuckin thread.

this thread

haha

http://weonsikecsd.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bike_crash1.jpg

http://www.cameronmcewan.com/projects/magazine/culture_blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/neckbeard.jpg

needs a blingee

60 mph on ks highway

Spirit of the decade = this post...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/51285/thumbs/s-OBAMAECONOMIC-large.jpg

this picture is really cracking me up its like a dream bush is having abt when everything works out just how he planned and all his colorful friends are congratulating him

― ice cr?m, Monday, December 1, 2008 12:05 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

imo.

amnesiac sucks btw
yeah probably. but not more than this decade.

Awww, don't give in that easily.

it really doesn't, alex. we've just forgotten we're conversing in the parallel universe in which tuneless/amusical taylor swift is OMGAMZING and liking RH is unfashionable.

shit is getting heated

taylor swift is tuneless/amusical? there is a lot of potential criticism you could launch at her but that just seems way off

dudes, even when i listened to radiohead a lot, i thought amnesiac was mostly a load of pretentious bullshit.

taylor swift vs. radiohead poll plz

(xpost) Yeah, seriously. I don't even particularly like "Love Story" that much, but it gets stuck in my head something fierce.

Taylor Swift's suckiness has nothing to do with her alleged (and demonstrably false) "tunelessness" and everything to do with her not being a very good singer and being a glamorized version of the young white female ideal singing about how she's an ugly duckling who can't get the guy.

pretentious and unmusical are the two criticisms of music I do not get. Especially pretentious, kinda think pretentiousness is the precondition for awesomeness wrt music.

Taylor Swift's suckiness has nothing to do with her alleged (and demonstrably false) "tunelessness" and everything to do with her not being a very good singer and being a glamorized version of the young white female ideal singing about how she's an ugly duckling who can't get the guy.

― nate dogg is a feeling (HI DERE), Monday, August 17, 2009 9:34 PM (5 seconds ago)

have you ever heard the phrase "tv ugly"?

Taylor Swift's suckiness has nothing to do with her alleged (and demonstrably false) "tunelessness" and everything to do with her not being a very good singer and being a glamorized version of the young white female ideal singing about how she's an ugly duckling who can't get the guy.

― nate dogg is a feeling (HI DERE), Monday, August 17, 2009 3:34 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

The whole ugly duckling thing is interesting insofar as she is so clearly NOT an ugly duckling.

Where's that Taylor Swift is a rat photo?

have you ever heard the phrase "tv ugly"?

Yeah, and she's not even that, is my point.

amnesiac isn't that pretentious, it's just a mashed together, poorly-conceived selection of crap they were working around around the time of kid a. there is nothing particularly memorable about any of it.

weird how the exact moment I decide that Taylor Swift is great she becomes a poster girl for post-contrarian meta-challop 2009

"Pyramid Song" and "Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors" are memorable IMO, but those two songs can't carry the rest of the album.

xp: I was slightly warming to Taylor Swift until I saw that horrifying duet she did with Miley Cyrus.

XXP

http://www.furia.com/all-idols/2007/1096.html
http://www.furia.com/all-idols/2008/382.html

um, okay

shrug. just saying.

oh okay, awesome!

kudos for voting for two albums I couldn't possibly care less about

i can remember how knives out goes and can sort of remember pyramid song.

i remember when ok computer was kindof a big deal

but i don't give in at all, melissa. i was ironic. or understating. or whatever. there was neither one solid argument against amnesiac as album of the decade nor any serious argument for another record. that says it all, doesn't it? btw my track of the decade would either be pyramid song or knives out. aqny other songs which have engraved themselves in the human cortex like those two? i haven't heard them. but if you have, tell me i am open for music which breaks frontiers. i really don't get that amnesiac bashing at all. pretentious would be a band like yes or elp in the 70s but not radiohead's amnesiac.

"tuneless" is more like it.

ENGRAVED THEMSELVES IN YOUR HUMAN CORTEX, MORAN. for christ's sake.

There was no serious argument because it was a stupid statement and people were trying to not be flat-out insulting towards you for being so feeble.

maybe i would have an opinion on whether or not it is the album of the decade, but I have never heard it because I am too busy listening to Taylor Swift albums just so u no

don't u get it dan? it's our fault.

wtf do you want alex? me to tell you which songs from this decade i found more memorable than knives out? do you have like three days to spare?

I won't make an argument against or for Amnesiac as the album of the decade, but it's definitely my personal favorite and will sit atop any decade list that I make.

x-post

Jesus, Dan.

u guys, the individual writers list will probably be more interesting tho

i eagerly await these interesting lists.

lol i just realized that "interesting lists" is a rad oxymoron.

uh i was joking btw individual ppl are retards for real

if you don't think this is better than anything on Amnesiac, i have no use for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSUfN4vmYzc

Melissa, fwiw I have a lot more respect for "this is my favorite album of the decade" than I do for "this is the best album of the decade". The latter is reflective of your personal aesthetic and what you bring to the table when you listen to music; the latter does not exist.