how are you gonna buy the BEATLES remasters?

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OptionVotes
buy music? hahaha 27
as individual CDs 10
the stereo box 8
i'm waitin for this shit to come out on vinyl 5
the mono box 4
the mono version & the "Box Of Vision" book 0
the stereo version & the "Box Of Vision" book 0
via itunes 0


G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:39 (sixteen years ago)

no "i wouldn't buy this shit?'

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

.rar blog

geir ham, go (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:48 (sixteen years ago)

i'm going to ride my segway over to ye olde record shoppe ... and shoplift them.

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:48 (sixteen years ago)

so do the individual CDs come with both mono and stereo versions? cuz if they don't that is some cheezy-ass greedy-ass shit right there.

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:55 (sixteen years ago)

I'm still trying to figure out what's the best deal, provided that I want to buy all the albums. I guess the mono box isn't going to be the complete set of albums?

Maybe my answer will be: in Rock Band?

afternoon "delight" (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:20 (sixteen years ago)

yeah mono box is missing the three or so albums that were never in stereo. i say just include the stereo albums in the box, fuk!

G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

never in mono, i mean

G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

i think the regular CDs are just stereo versions

G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:24 (sixteen years ago)

yeah if they included both the stereo and mono albums together in one package, I might just save up for that one. As it is, shit, maybe just a few individual albums here and there. Is the stereo box limited edition too? Because I won't be buying this for at least a year.

afternoon "delight" (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:25 (sixteen years ago)

I may be wrong, but I think the mono box for some reason contains the original stereo mixes of the Help! and Rubber Soul records, while the stereo box contains the 1985 George Martin remixes for those two albums. To me, it seems crazy that those original stereo mixes are not in the stereo box, but I guess it must have made sense to somebody over there.

That mono box is significantly more expensive than the stereo, too. $230 vs. $180 on Amazon. Frankly, the Beatles should be giving this away for free as a show of goodwill.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:26 (sixteen years ago)

I'd still like to know how limited the Mono box is.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:30 (sixteen years ago)

Only 100 million to be printed. Buy it now!!!! Buy two!!!!!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

10,000 in the U.S.

zero money down on new and pwned vehicles (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:40 (sixteen years ago)

hand numbered by Lennon's ghost

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:41 (sixteen years ago)

Will buy the stereo box if I get hold of it quickly enough. Otherwise, individual CDs.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:43 (sixteen years ago)

I dunno, I've got the mono LPs anyway.

I got the USA Capitol box sets, so that's the Stereo/Mono early ones.

I guess I can find the fillums someplace.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

Can someone help a non-audiophile out with a (non-sarcastic) answer to this question: does remastering mean they are going to sound as great as the new mixes done for that "Love" soundtrack thing? Will remastering achieve that level of difference? Thanks in advance...

iago g., Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:00 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not buying this fucking crap

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:01 (sixteen years ago)

Can someone help a non-audiophile out with a (non-sarcastic) answer to this question: does remastering mean they are going to sound as great as the new mixes done for that "Love" soundtrack thing? Will remastering achieve that level of difference? Thanks in advance...

― iago g., Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:00 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in short, yes.

zero money down on new and pwned vehicles (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:01 (sixteen years ago)

and i guess i'm prolly the only one that's actually heard a lot of tracks due to playing the rock band game

zero money down on new and pwned vehicles (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

Have bought all Beatles albums on CDs, have bought all albums as LPs (many as 2 copies), and my parents have bought multiple copies as well.

I'm stealing this shit.

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:11 (sixteen years ago)

^^^my feelings exactly

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:14 (sixteen years ago)

Mono box if I can scrape up the money.

discovery witch has "provide you are reciptives" (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:36 (sixteen years ago)

i only buy beatles on 78

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/kirkland/266/btls/in/indp78-2.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

fuck you fortunecity

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scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:42 (sixteen years ago)

i really would like a mono set, but i don't want to spend any money

G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:46 (sixteen years ago)

stereo box looks nicer tho

G¯\(°_o)/¯N (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

Don't Apple have some big iTunes announcement the day before the release, or something?

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

Have bought all Beatles albums on CDs, have bought all albums as LPs (many as 2 copies), and my parents have bought multiple copies as well.

I'm stealing this shit.

^^this with a side order of "the mono box set is stupidly compiled and a rip-off"

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

one of many problems my former employer solved

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 00:39 (sixteen years ago)

I agree the mono box set is a ripoff. Now, luckily I don't need mono versions of songs that exist in stereo, so I don't have to get annoyed by that. I just ignore it, like I would anyways (and like I would have skipped the mono versions everytime if they had included them with the stereo versions).

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 02:24 (sixteen years ago)

Sucker that I am, I will probably eventually buy both, but I'm waiting until Barnes & Noble emails me one of those sweet sweet 20%-off-one-time coupons, which will combine nicely with the 10% off I already get for having a B&N membership card.

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

i will probably buy both as well, buying the mono one on the first day and the stereo one a bit later.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 05:09 (sixteen years ago)

man i didn't even think of that as an option because that's fuckin crazy!

chutesy ladders (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 05:10 (sixteen years ago)

i would really like to sit down and do a taste test of mono remaster beatles/stereo remaster beatle before i make my decision

chutesy ladders (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 05:11 (sixteen years ago)

the mono one is limited so i feel i need to get that ASAP. plus i sold all my Beatles CD's just this year so i have cash that is burning a hole in my pocket.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 05:15 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not bothered about the mono box at all, really - I've never heard these tunes in mono, and stereo's what I'm used to - but I'm also not really bothered about much pre-Rubber Soul, so I don't know about the stereo box either. I might just buy the five or so that I really care about straight off the bat, and then pick up other bits and bobs in time. The five I care about would be Revolver, The Beatles, Abbey Road, Magical Mystery Tour, and Past Masters, plus Sgt. Pepper if I'm feeling flush.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 06:52 (sixteen years ago)

The ones I care about are the first four + Revolver and maybe Help, plus the Past Masters set. So I'd really like to hear the mono ones. Even the stereo ones should sound great: the Gold Beatles for Sale we talked about in the other Beatles remasters thread sounds amazing.

afternoon "delight" (Euler), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:27 (sixteen years ago)

i've been following the steve hoffman audiophile forums since these were announced. they're up to now on the *THIRTEENTH* thread, each of which has had 1,000 posts each.
13,000 comments worth of debate and guessing about the sound, which will box be better, and how they will sound over 2 months and so far no one has heard a note.
it's been brilliant!

piscesx, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:41 (sixteen years ago)

The SteveHoffman forum people are completely fucking batshit.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 08:04 (sixteen years ago)

Now, luckily I don't need mono versions of songs that exist in stereo

See, here's the thing: The songs don't just "exist" that way. Some individual -- in this case George Martin and various engineers -- had to create them, and up until 1967 stereo recording and mixing was an afterthought, so the songs do not sound in stereo the way the band or the producer intended them to sound. The mono mixes do.

I realize I'm beating against a wall here, but it's just such a pig-ignorant thing to say.

Id rather dig ditches than pull another dudes string (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 20 August 2009 00:34 (sixteen years ago)

pigs are smart

nabisco, Thursday, 20 August 2009 00:45 (sixteen years ago)

shows what you know

nabisco, Thursday, 20 August 2009 00:46 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, but what do they know about a good mono mix? Huh?

Id rather dig ditches than pull another dudes string (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 20 August 2009 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

"I'm stealing this shit."

Downloading compressed mp3 of a remaster is sonically counter productive innit?

Anyway--I'd love to hear these but would definitely prefer vinyl myself.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 20 August 2009 01:14 (sixteen years ago)

Frankly, the Beatles should be giving this away for free as a show of goodwill.

BWAH- HAH HA AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAH-HAHAHAHA-HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[big breath]

AH- HOOO! HOO-HOOOH-HOOO-HOO-HOO-HOO-HOOOOOOOOOOUOAAAAAUGH- uh-HUAH- uh, oh, man! ouch,

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

staggerlee, Thursday, 20 August 2009 02:07 (sixteen years ago)

this may be the first and last time i'll say this but Shakey Mo OTMFM

ambience chaser (S-), Thursday, 20 August 2009 02:11 (sixteen years ago)

i'm buying both box sets because I'm a sucker, and I've waited long enough for these; the 87 cds, prior to sgt. pepper, sound fucking terrible, and I don't think the purple chick comps really sound all that great either. the mono versions of the albums are pretty great as well so it's good to get those on cd since I only have mp3s of most of them. I love my blue box vinyl set but it's not very convenient. the end.

akm, Thursday, 20 August 2009 03:39 (sixteen years ago)

the steve hoffman threads are basically 30k posts of people reiterating the same thing over and over to people who didn't read the earlier 10k posts

akm, Thursday, 20 August 2009 03:40 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.cuales.fm/ has clips from the remastered beatles for sale.

akm, Thursday, 20 August 2009 03:47 (sixteen years ago)

Downloading compressed mp3 of a remaster is sonically counter productive innit?

FLAC. Wave of the future, Jack!

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 20 August 2009 21:10 (sixteen years ago)

Sure... if someone out there spends the time bothering to upload an obscure set like this in that particular format ;)

Nate Carson, Friday, 21 August 2009 01:23 (sixteen years ago)

See, here's the thing: The songs don't just "exist" that way. Some individual -- in this case George Martin and various engineers -- had to create them, and up until 1967 stereo recording and mixing was an afterthought, so the songs do not sound in stereo the way the band or the producer intended them to sound. The mono mixes do.

I take it you don't need the remasters then. After all, they are remastered, and will not sound as crap as they did originally.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 23 August 2009 17:23 (sixteen years ago)

man i didn't even think of that as an option because that's fuckin crazy!

― chutesy ladders (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:10 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

irl lmao

johnny crunch, Monday, 24 August 2009 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

mono box already sold out on amazon, apparently. i've waited too long to have to deal with that kind of bullshit and i don't have a lot of money so it's totally the "buy music? hahaha" option. will probably just copy whatever configuration my dad ends up getting. i used to be so jonesing for these remasters, but for some reason could not give a fuck lately. maybe it's because of stupid shit like not coupling the stereo and mono mixes.

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:07 (sixteen years ago)

mono box already sold out on amazon, apparently.

no it hasn't. you just can't pre-order it like you can other releases. they have told me they will e-mail me when they are able to sell it. i will buy from Amoeba Hollywood when it comes out.

Bee OK, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:13 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Mono-Box-Set/dp/B002BSHXJA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1251087492&sr=8-1

The Beatles Mono Box Set is a limited production item, and we are sold out

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:19 (sixteen years ago)

this is what they are telling me in real time:

You are signed up to receive an e-mail from us when this item is available.

Your e-mail address:

i know what you are reading but they are not sold out because it has not come out yet and they will have copies to sell...

Bee OK, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:26 (sixteen years ago)

been burned by amazon by the same "we will notify you" bs before. whatever, i'm still going to steal it.

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:38 (sixteen years ago)

one would think they wouldn't pull that shit when it came to beatles remasters but then again, i don't see why not. The Beatles Mono Box Set is a limited production item, and we are sold out is a pretty good way to get people to go buy it elsewhere, anyway

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:40 (sixteen years ago)

The Mono Box set is pointless anyway. If you want The Beatles in mono, you also want them on old worn out vinyl because that is what they are supposed to sound like for purists.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 24 August 2009 08:10 (sixteen years ago)

And you aren't a purist?

Mark G, Monday, 24 August 2009 08:38 (sixteen years ago)

I've been selling the old ones on Amazon Marketplace to take the sting out of buying all these again. I think I'm likely to buy Past Masters on it's own on the first day as a test for comparison. After that, probably the rest individually. Mono box doesn't seem to be limited over this side of the Atlantic(?) so I might get that one day. I see that the Mono Masters replaces Past Masters in the Mono box with the unreleased Yellow Submarine EP mixes in leiu of the Get Back tracks which didn't have specific mono mixes.

Mitchell Stirling, Monday, 24 August 2009 11:04 (sixteen years ago)

The "Get Back" single was mono.

Mark G, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:05 (sixteen years ago)

(just sayin')

Mark G, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:05 (sixteen years ago)

i've read in a few places that the stereo remasters have some serious louderizor action going on. you know, to appeal to modern ears. sounds sad.

scott seward, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:18 (sixteen years ago)

and the Krautrock remix of "And your bird can sing"

Mark G, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

The Mono Box set is pointless anyway. If you want The Beatles in mono, you also want them on old worn out vinyl because that is what they are supposed to sound like for purists.

Right, the Beatles originally issued their records in the 60s on worn-out vinyl. I believe John was the instigator of this (something about "authenticity").

Sara Sara Sara, Monday, 24 August 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, the scratchy-78 effect on "Honey Pie" was John's idea...

Me, I'll probably buy the 1966-69 recordings fairly posthaste. The rest I'll steal, with an eye towards maybe buying at some unknown future date(s), if the price is right

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 24 August 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)

I dunno, I've heard it all before.

Mark G, Monday, 24 August 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

yikes i hope the mono doesn't sell out on barnes and noble...i get a really awesome employee discount there and that's what i was planning on

cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 24 August 2009 16:09 (sixteen years ago)

someone just brought in a canadian pressing of let it be to the store and it sounds great! better than any american copy i've ever heard. and i've heard quite a few original apple pressings/reissues/etc. listening to this copy actually makes me LIKE let it be more! (never one of my favorite albums, though i certainly recognize that it has its share of cool moments.)

(kinda like how not that long ago i got an early u.k. pressing of rubber soul and it was like hearing the album for the first time.)

scott seward, Monday, 24 August 2009 17:50 (sixteen years ago)

(never one of my favorite albums, though i certainly recognize that it has its share of cool moments.)

The title track, "The Long And Winding Road" (in spite of undeserved bad reputation) and "Across The Universe".

And that's it, basically.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:25 (sixteen years ago)

except "Two of Us" is the best song on the album

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:27 (sixteen years ago)

actually all of Let It Be is pretty great, its like the White Album Part 2

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:28 (sixteen years ago)

Naturally, Geir picked my three least favorite songs from the album.

Jazzbo, Monday, 24 August 2009 18:29 (sixteen years ago)

Srsly, who the hell doesn't like "Two Of Us" or "Dig A Pony" or "I Me Mine?"

Id rather dig ditches than pull another dudes string (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

i remember watching some thing on the beatles and i got kinda bummed cuz i always pictured "two of us" as maybe mccartney's way of saying "oh well we don't get along but we went through all this stuff together" to lennon but then i guess it is about him and linda taking a roadtrip

but anyway it's a great song

cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 24 August 2009 19:01 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSMSZmhsV2k

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 August 2009 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

And for that matter, the "Wildlife" version of "Across The Universe" pwns all others.

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 August 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

"Two Of Us" yeah wow that song is amazing.

Heh I just realized it references TLAWR with that whole "You and I have memories longer than the road". Cute.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 24 August 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 7 September 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

Now that this had leaked I think I would change my answer.

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

I totally cracked today and spent a frantic morning tracking down a mono box locally. Chalk another "mono" vote up.

staggerlee, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 00:14 (sixteen years ago)

A certain nationwide coffeshop was selling four of these tonight, 4 cents less than the B3st Buy sale price(!), so I broke down and snagged Help!, Rubber Soul, Sgt. Peppers, and Abbey Road. No reason for those four, just the only four they had for sale.

Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 00:17 (sixteen years ago)

I'm probably going to pick up Abbey Road and Magical Mystery Tour.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 00:27 (sixteen years ago)

Possibly the best thing Klosterman has written: http://www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-klosterman-repeats-the-beatles,32560/
Pitchfork in a surprisingly MOJO-like feature: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13425-stereo-box-in-mono/

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 15:55 (sixteen years ago)

buy music? hahaha 27

^^ kind of interesting, given how on threads about the topic ilm tends to hold it is AN GRATE MORAL ILL to pirate music — hullo silent majority

thomp, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 15:59 (sixteen years ago)

^^ kind of interesting, given how on threads about the topic ilm tends to hold it is AN GRATE MORAL ILL to pirate music — hullo silent majority

i don't think that's even remotely true but tevs

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 15:59 (sixteen years ago)

no "i wouldn't buy this shit?'

Still think this would have been a popular option.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:03 (sixteen years ago)

(I would have said "I wouldn't buy this stuff" instead, but whatevs.)

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:04 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.bavarian-beatles-store.de/Beatles%20LP%20Help%20SMO%20gruen%20Logo%20%201.jpg

Alice was bugging me about "Help", so I dug it out this morning.

We lived in Germany, back in the day. So, this is the version I've got.

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

maybe "I'm hoping to get this shit for xmas/hannukah/kwanza" shoulda been an option ... I think that's what I'm going to have to do.

tylerw, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

Also, versions of "Beatles for sale" and "YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!" (being the "hard days night" album), on "Odeon".

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:11 (sixteen years ago)

which bit do you think isn't true, matt, that ilm is generally vocally against music piracy, or that the fact that the majority of the people who voted in this poll chose 'buy? lol' is an indicator that there's a buncha ppl reading who will happily pirate things?

thomp, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

i don't think ilm is generally against piracy as those threads are all pretty argumentative and evenly split in my recollection. and i'd imagine 99 percent of ppl on this site download stuff regularly.

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

i like 2 download

am0n, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

I heard the mono versions vs stereo versions and gotta say the difference is pretty negligable.

hey hey hey, smoke persians every day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

mono sgt. pepper's sounded way different to me. different vocal mixes and other seemingly minor things abound, IMO

outdoor_miner, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 16:58 (sixteen years ago)

Didn't people used to say "Until you've heard Pepper in mono you've not really heard it, blah blah" about? Noticeably different takes used on many of the tracks.

Alba, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:36 (sixteen years ago)

myth or truth re: Peppers is 3 days to mix the mono, 3 hours to mix the stereo.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:40 (sixteen years ago)

muth

am0n, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

3 weeks mono, 3 days stereo.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:51 (sixteen years ago)

the legend grows!

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:00 (sixteen years ago)

The Beatles were present during the mixing of the album in mono and the LP was originally released as such alongside a stereo mix prepared by Abbey Road engineers led by Geoff Emerick; the Beatles themselves did not attend the mixing of the stereo version. (The mono version is now out of print on vinyl, but is scheduled to be re-released on CD as part of the Beatles in Mono box set on September 9, 2009 worldwide) The two mixes are fundamentally different. For example, the stereo mix of "She's Leaving Home" was mixed at a slower speed than the original recording and therefore plays at a slower tempo and at a lower pitch than the original recording. Conversely, the mono version of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is considerably slower than the stereo version and features much heavier flanging and reverb effects. McCartney's yelling voice in the coda section of "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)" (just before the segue into "A Day in the Life") can plainly be heard in the mono version, but is nearly inaudible in the stereo version. The mono version of the song also features drums that open with much more presence and force, as they are turned well up in the mix. Also in the stereo mix, the famous segue at the end of "Good Morning Good Morning" (the chicken-clucking sound which becomes a guitar noise) is timed differently and a crowd noise tape comes in later during the intro to "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)".

Other variations between the two mixes include louder laughter at the end of the mono mix of "Within You Without You", as well as a gush of laughter between the coda of the title track and the beginning of "With a Little Help From My Friends", and a colder, echoless ending on the mono version of "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!".

tylerw, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:01 (sixteen years ago)

^^^wikipedia fwiw

tylerw, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:01 (sixteen years ago)

this seems more definitive:
"The only real version of [Pepper] is the mono version," says second engineer Richard Lush in Mark Lewisohn's indispensable The Beatles: Recording Sessions. Yes, there have been two Peppers out there for all this time, and the one you can buy on Amazon.com isn't necessarily the one the Beatles wanted you to hear. The Fab Four themselves were present for the creation of the mono mix; they were off getting high somewhere when producer George Martin did the stereo mix. The mono mix took about 40 hours to assemble, while the stereo mix took 10. Furthermore, the mono record outsold the stereo version for the first few years it was available. It's not exactly a rough draft.

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:02 (sixteen years ago)

it is irritating you can't buy the mono CDs separately from the box. if that hasn't been emphasized enough. it's like the Beatles WANT me to illegally download them. in fact, if you play the mono version backwards, I think you can hear John exhorting listeners to do just that. "Flaaaac downloooooads arrrre betterrrrr" ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:04 (sixteen years ago)

yeah pretty pissed about the cashgrab of not putting both mono and stereo mixes on the individual discs. fucking jerks.

A DOG, A BARREL... RIDICULOUS! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:09 (sixteen years ago)

what's the retail price on an individual remastered CD anyway? $18.99 or something?

ian, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:12 (sixteen years ago)

Over here the shops are selling them for £9.99.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:16 (sixteen years ago)

lol @ people handwringing over downloading the beatles.

am0n, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:27 (sixteen years ago)

who's handwringing?

thomp, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

the chap with the monocle

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 18:43 (sixteen years ago)

I still don't understand how all those mono purists want music remastered at all. I mean, the recordings weren't remastered back then, were they?
IMO everything that has at least 2 recorded tracks available should be released as stereo only, and remixed into stereo if not already done.

As for the remasters, it is still maybe not surprising that I think the later ones are the ones that have gained the most in quality. There simply wasn't a lot to work on audio-wise for the early ones, but from around "Sgt. Pepper" onwards they started sounding really good, and removing all the limitations of late 60s audio makes them sound even greater of course. Among the things I have noticed at this moment is how great the tapping on "Blackbird" sounds, or all those harmonies on the "Abbey Road" album - in fact the entire dynamic dimension of "Abbey Road".

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

Gently weeping because the bastard store that was "holding a mono box" for me held the stereo box instead. So of course when I arrived all the monos wuz gone.

Ah well. I'll hope that a bunch of monomaniacs are busy ripping their newly acquired sets to their hard drives and will be putting the physical discs up on eBay soon.

staggerlee, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 21:44 (sixteen years ago)

I just picked up Beatles for Sale and Hard Day's Night for $12.99 each at Fred Meyers.

Darin, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 21:52 (sixteen years ago)

I still don't understand how all those mono purists want music remastered at all. I mean, the recordings weren't remastered back then, were they?
IMO everything that has at least 2 recorded tracks available should be released as stereo only, and remixed into stereo if not already done.

geir you lack a fundamental understanding of the issue. or the inability to read.

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 21:57 (sixteen years ago)

Shipping estimate for these items: October 7, 2009 - October 21, 2009
1 "The Beatles Mono Box Set"
The Beatles; Audio CD; $229.99

Bee OK, Thursday, 10 September 2009 00:16 (sixteen years ago)

xp: really clashes with his "songs should only be performed by their writers" steez - but then they should be taken away from the painstaking recordings the writers make, and crudely bashed into a hard-pan separation.

Young Scott Young (sic), Thursday, 10 September 2009 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

Barnes & Noble.com, who regularly sends 15%-off-one-item coupons to those of us with a B&N membership card, isn't accepting the coupon for the mono or the stereo box! I can understand on the mono, since it's limited, but the stereo too?! Bastards!

I wonder if they've got the same policy in stores?

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 10 September 2009 01:30 (sixteen years ago)

Geir, if you cannot hear the audio quality in A Hard Day's Night, for example, you must be deaf. In terms of instrumental timbre and spatial placing, room acoustics, it's astonishing. Once again you're talking shit re: stereo.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 September 2009 05:32 (sixteen years ago)

I was going to buy the stereo set today but when I got to best buy they were sold out. Yes I know I should go to a record store but I am a) broke and b) close to best buy. tomorrow I will try Barnes and Noble because I am still a) broke and b) close to B&N.

akm, Thursday, 10 September 2009 05:37 (sixteen years ago)

luckily my mono set shipped. should have bought a second one to ebay and pay for the other two.

akm, Thursday, 10 September 2009 05:38 (sixteen years ago)

I suspect that "due to unprecedented demand" there will be a second pressing.

Indistinguishable from the first. (you collector nutters)

Mark G, Thursday, 10 September 2009 07:22 (sixteen years ago)

Because the mono box is purely about Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper and the White album, right?

Seeing as how the rest are covered by 1) the original CDs, 2) the "Capitol" box sets!

Mark G, Thursday, 10 September 2009 07:23 (sixteen years ago)

Those Capitol box sets were in stereo though, weren't they?

Btw. another thing: I kind of like the way those mini documentaries have been done, and I mean visually. It seems there haven't been any new interviews, but that isn't really needed, because there are no new facts about The Beatles that haven't already been told, and half of the group are dead now anyway. But they way they are done is kind of nice. I don't like the idea of Quicktime files being put into each CD, but as I bought the box set, I was able to watch them properly on DVD, which makes everything better of course.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 10 September 2009 09:45 (sixteen years ago)

Stereo And mono versions on each disc.

Mark G, Thursday, 10 September 2009 10:28 (sixteen years ago)

(The Capitol boxes, I mean, obv)

Mark G, Thursday, 10 September 2009 10:29 (sixteen years ago)

i'm on hunger strike till they do the quicktime vids in mono.

history mayne, Thursday, 10 September 2009 10:31 (sixteen years ago)

anyone have any ideas where in brooklyn/lower manhattan they might still have the mono box?

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

I still don't understand how all those mono purists want music remastered at all. I mean, the recordings weren't remastered back then, were they?

also you can't very well REmaster something when you're mastering it for the very first time!

rap telekenisis or some equally retarded nerd shit (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 10 September 2009 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

Rereremasteredededed.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 10 September 2009 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

Remasterbation

tylerw, Thursday, 10 September 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

what's the retail price on an individual remastered CD anyway? $18.99 or something?

― ian, Wednesday, September 9, 2009 6:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yesterday i saw a half dozen of em for $9.99

both HOOSlarious and truthful (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 10 September 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

anyone have any ideas where in brooklyn/lower manhattan they might still have the mono box?

― iago g., Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Music Matters had a mono box as recent as an hour ago when I went in to pick up the new Rae

hey hey hey, smoke persians every day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 September 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

by selling blood, participating in a medical experiments, trading sexual favors for cash or perhaps by stealing my mothers engagement ring and selling it on ebay.... whatever it takes, basically

messiahwannabe, Thursday, 10 September 2009 19:21 (sixteen years ago)

the capitol boxes are completely different mixes though, even the mono versions sound different from the mono parlophones.

akm, Thursday, 10 September 2009 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

Both box sets.

Dammit.

Partly because whoever put them together are being dickshits and leaving the documentaries off the mono discs (and not even putting the dvd in the box), partly because as excited as I am about the mono CDs the stereo mixes were what I grew up with and it would be weird not to have a Revolver that started without the count-in to "Taxman" muttering in my ear.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 10 September 2009 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

Pretty weird being a Beatle in 1963.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 10 September 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that leaving out the documentaries is meant to tempt those of us who chose the mono to get the stereo box as well..lousy stuff

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

Music Matters had a mono box as recent as an hour ago when I went in to pick up the new Rae

― hey hey hey, smoke persians every day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:42 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Thanks Whiney, I went and bought it there--I thank you, my bank account doesn't!

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:04 (sixteen years ago)

The documentary material is all cribbed from the Anthology though isn't it? That's why I wans't to bothered about it.

DavidM, Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

The documentary material is all cribbed from the Anthology though isn't it? That's why I wans't to bothered about it.

― DavidM, Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:17 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark

Nope, not as far as I know! New stuff

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:18 (sixteen years ago)

nope, it's Anthology stuff.

Mr. Que, Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:19 (sixteen years ago)

hmmm or maybe not? the Abbey Road one was 100% boring

Mr. Que, Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:20 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/08/beatles.rockband.bobsmeaton.transcript/index.html

Mr. Que, Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:24 (sixteen years ago)

I figured at the level of interest we all have, what possibly could those mini-docs have that is so earthshattering

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

(x-post)

Good interview with Bob Smeaton. He's right that there is something striking visually interesting about the Beatles as if they are clearly a group, and part of it is the changes they go through together.

Bob Six, Thursday, 10 September 2009 22:09 (sixteen years ago)

*clearly functioning as a group, rather than just four individuals brought together

Bob Six, Thursday, 10 September 2009 22:10 (sixteen years ago)

leaving out the documentaries is meant to tempt those of us who chose the mono to get the stereo box as well.
There is no such thing as YouTube. There is no such thing as YouTube. There is no such...

staggerlee, Thursday, 10 September 2009 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, you tube is amazing--someone just put up the stones cocksucker blues which i haven't seen in age

iago g., Thursday, 10 September 2009 23:26 (sixteen years ago)

Just bought Abbey Road at Borders while on work/vacation in Chicago. Hope my Bose noise canceling headphones can do it justice. There are sleeping kids where I'm staying.

Nate Carson, Friday, 11 September 2009 02:42 (sixteen years ago)

Damn it sounds at least as good as I expected. The separation of instruments and full-featured tonality is fantastic. More than satisfied. Coveting mono.

Nate Carson, Friday, 11 September 2009 07:52 (sixteen years ago)

I voted 0 but I ended up buying 6 of them already.

abanana, Friday, 11 September 2009 12:58 (sixteen years ago)

I want to read some bad reviews so I don't feel like I NEED TO BUY ALL THIS BEATLES NOW!!!!

tomofthenest, Friday, 11 September 2009 13:02 (sixteen years ago)

I'll give you a bad review: Mono Box is sold out.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 12 September 2009 09:16 (sixteen years ago)

I've decided on buying them one/two at a time, chronologically - got Please Please Me and With The Beatles yesterday after work. When I got home I put my '87 copies of both albums up on Amazon - both sold within a couple of hours, which was a pleasant surprise.

Gavin in Leeds, Saturday, 12 September 2009 15:25 (sixteen years ago)

How much did you get for them? Did you 'fess up that they were the old ones?

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 12 September 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

About £5 each - yeah, they were listed as the old issues, not the remasters. I basically just matched whatever the lowest price was on there already. I might put some more up sooner rather than later - I'm assuming a lot of people will have had the same idea.

Gavin in Leeds, Saturday, 12 September 2009 15:53 (sixteen years ago)

the mini documentaries include *some* but not all anthology material. they're all here in full as 1 long film if anyone wants to see the full thing too =
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ml584/The_Beatles_on_Record/
gives a pretty great introduction to the in-the-studio side of the story for kids who might not know all the ins and outs like us lot.

piscesx, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

There were dozens of copies of the mono box at the first shop I stepped into. Seriously, though, they're going to reprint it

thomp, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:55 (sixteen years ago)

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you.

Damn, not only do you Brits get to live in a normal country, you get the Beatles docs

iago g., Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:16 (sixteen years ago)

How many of each box were made? Any ideas or educated guesses?

krakow, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:33 (sixteen years ago)

Mono was limited to 100,000 I think

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

i read somewhere it was 10,000 mono

outdoor_miner, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:44 (sixteen years ago)

Sorry, I think 10,000 is right actually.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:46 (sixteen years ago)

Beatles Box Sets: Special Availability Message
While the mono box set will still remain a limited production item, it will no longer be limited to 10000 copies for the U.S. market, as originally reported ...
www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId... - Cached - Similar -

although amazon have now taken this down ha ha

thomp, Saturday, 12 September 2009 19:40 (sixteen years ago)

I am pretty sure once the box set is deleted, the mono editions of the individual albums will eventually show up in the shops about a year later. Not that I care.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 12 September 2009 22:10 (sixteen years ago)

i think no way are they deleting it before christmas ~

thomp, Saturday, 12 September 2009 22:14 (sixteen years ago)

mono box is 'sold out' but is being repressed in early october.

akm, Saturday, 12 September 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

[]_[]

thomp, Sunday, 13 September 2009 10:48 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702147.html

pretty nice summation of the mono vs stereo argument for us non-audiophiles

iago g., Sunday, 13 September 2009 15:02 (sixteen years ago)

sorry, mono OVER stereo

iago g., Sunday, 13 September 2009 15:02 (sixteen years ago)

I have no problems stealing the box sets because they have refused to ship them in enough quantitites. I've checked 4 record stores in town to buy the Mono box and they're sold out. If the label want's to create this false market by under producing, then they can say goodbye to the $300 plus I was itching to drop on the Mono box. Fuck you Record Label, i'm never buying them now.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 13 September 2009 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702147.html

― iago g., Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:02 AM

thats exactly how i feel, people think "clarity!" because an instrument is now relegated to one eardrum. but i also understand the people that are used to the stereo mixes already or grew up with them and how going back to mono would sound weird to them

am0n, Sunday, 13 September 2009 17:43 (sixteen years ago)

I was at Starbucks yesterday and I "helped myself" to a copy of Help.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 13 September 2009 18:02 (sixteen years ago)

been trying to find a flac mono torrent that works but not having much luck. i would buy them but i have them all on mono LP already and cant afford it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 14 September 2009 11:26 (sixteen years ago)

titchy! the mono flacs = $0ul4££K as of this week.

piscesx, Friday, 18 September 2009 02:38 (sixteen years ago)

Can't stress enough how easy it is to lift these from *bucks.

Nate Carson, Friday, 18 September 2009 03:03 (sixteen years ago)

been trying to find a flac mono torrent that works but not having much luck. i would buy them but i have them all on mono LP already and cant afford it.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, September 14, 2009 11:26 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ditto,although I don't torrent or soseek.

Mark G, Friday, 18 September 2009 06:58 (sixteen years ago)

*ahem* beatoasis on blogger *ahem*

*⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Friday, 18 September 2009 07:00 (sixteen years ago)

*ahem* stereo and mono *ahem*

*⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Friday, 18 September 2009 07:00 (sixteen years ago)

*ahem* blogspot not blogger *ahem*

*⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Friday, 18 September 2009 07:04 (sixteen years ago)

oooh! (ta)

Mark G, Friday, 18 September 2009 07:13 (sixteen years ago)

amazon in the uk is out of everything. not just the two boxes, every single one of the individual remasters is also out of stock.

koogs, Friday, 18 September 2009 11:28 (sixteen years ago)

ha, should've checked before posting that. last night they had nothing, this morning they have everything.

koogs, Friday, 18 September 2009 11:30 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

FYI, the minidocs are on youtube....they are almost completely useless

iago g., Monday, 26 October 2009 01:53 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/11/beatles-usb-drive-1.jpg

Following the September 9 (9-9-09) debut of The Beatles’ digitally re-mastered catalogue on CD, Apple Corps Ltd. and EMI Music are pleased to announce the worldwide release of a limited edition of only 30,000 Beatles Stereo USB apples on December 7 (December 8 in North America).

The exquisitely crafted, apple-shaped USB drive is loaded with the critically acclaimed re-mastered audio for The Beatles’ 14 stereo titles, as well as all of the re-mastered CDs’ visual elements, including 13 mini-documentary films about the studio albums, replicated original UK album art, rare photos and expanded liner notes.

A specially designed Flash interface has been installed, and the 16GB USB’s audio and visual contents will be provided in FLAC 44.1 Khz 24 bit and MP3 320 Kbps formats, fully compatible with PC and Mac.

http://www.thebeatles.com/#/news/APPLE_AND_EMI_TO_RELEASE/

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 11:51 (sixteen years ago)

£200.

(anti-xpost)

Mark G, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:17 (sixteen years ago)

WANT (but maxed out due to both remasters box sets and Rockband.)

More interesting news:

http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2009/11/beatles_vinyl_remasters_on_the.html

Guilty_Boksen, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:43 (sixteen years ago)

I managed to track down the latter half of the catalog starting with Help for about $10 each, and Past Masters 2CD at Best Buy for $12.99. I think I've spent enough, and will look for flac rips of the early ones in mono.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 13:18 (sixteen years ago)

£9 for singles and £15 for doubles in HMV at the moment.

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 13:40 (sixteen years ago)

Woah those USB things are the coolest manifestation of the USB album thing I have ever seen!

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 15:50 (sixteen years ago)


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