P2K: The Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s: 20-1

Where is option for "I don't think *any* of these songs is 'song of the decade'?"

I mean, I'm not going to wade into some godawful clusterfuck pitchfork thread, but seriously. There's maybe 5 songs I like. But none of them are OMG SONG OF THE DECADE by any stretch.

I mean, there's nothing on that list that even leaps off and says "pick me! you like me best!"

"One More Time" - and it isn't even the best song on Discovery. Oh, and I would like to reiterate my belief that "Hey Ya!" is a good song but terminally overrated, thank you and good night!

Oh, and if you think that a Pitchfork list isn't going to be anything less than a bunch of dorks trying to be hip and covering all bases with no stong opinions, then of course you're going to be disappointed.

Definitely makes the first half of the decade look A LOT stronger than the second half.

(And "no strong opinions" in addition to those "no stong opinions".) (xp)

Where is option for "I don't think *any* of these songs is 'song of the decade'?"

As I said in the original post, "Vote for your favorite song here."

And for the record, I don't think there's a definitive song of the decade anyway. It's all opinion. Thus, vote for your favorite.

Yeah, it's really hard to pick a "definitive song of the decade" in most cases, because there's lots of good music to hear in all of them.

Except the 1990s. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is usually the de facto answer because it was a decade full of bullshit.

None of them is a favourite, even from the list. It's a general pile of "meh".

And "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the shittest of all that bullshit!! (xp)

I'd say it's about halfway towards being a definitive list, but the other half is very meh indeed. 'Crazy In Love'.

Really? I could cast a vote for at least nine of these and then kick myself for not choosing one of the other eight.

Oh can we store it a little? There's a lot to love on this list.

xxxxp btw

And "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the shittest of all that bullshit!! (xp)

zzzzzzzzzzz...

Telling it like it is son!!

voted Crazy in Love

hard to belive 2 (TWO) LCD Soundsystem tracks wound up in top 20. I mean, I like them and all, but ... seriously??

The Rat is the best bile-ridden 7200mph turbo-charged surface-to-air missile of blistering invective of this or any other century.

Split vote, probably. xp

"The Rat" hits way too close to home for me, lyrically. (I used to be fun, but now I'm just boring.)

i think i like 16 of these--all except walkmen, arcade fire, crazy, and hojl

'Heartbeats' is probably my favourite song of the last 10 years

btw, people complaining about this list. Please save it for the Paste list, where it will be much more fun.

i actually like all of these songs - but 'One More Time', '99 Problems' and 'All My Friends' the least - more thru hype tho. guess i'm easy to please after all.

Animal Collective - My Girls - WHATEVS
Annie - Heartbeat - LOVE ANNIE BUT THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) - OK I GUESS
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love - LIKE THIS BUT PREFER DESTINYS CHILD
Daft Punk - One More Time - LOVE DAFT PUNK BUT THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix) - HAVEN'T HEARD THIS REMIX SO CAN'T COMMENT
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On - YEAH, I LIKE THIS
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind - FEH FEH A SKEEVE TO YOU
Jay-Z - 99 Problems - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix) - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
The Knife - Heartbeats - YEAH I LIKE THIS
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends - WHATEVS
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge - BARF
Outkast - B.O.B. - MEH
Outkast - Hey Ya! - OK I GUESS
Radiohead - Idioteque - YEAH I LIKE THIS
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
The Walkmen - The Rat - MEH
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps - BARF

So it's Get Your Freak On, Heartbeats or Idioteque.

Went with Heartbeats

Hey, remember when ILM was supposed to be a bastion of intelligent music criticism?

The lacklustre quality of my reactions to the songs is a reflection of the choices on offer.

I guess I need to listen to Get Yr Freak On again.

Of the 3 I like, I've listened to Heartbeats most recently and consistently. But that could just be access.

For 4 weeks in 2000? xp

GYFO was great at the time, but now it sounds really dated to me.

Voted "Heartbeat. Partly because most of the rest are horrible.

Outkast - B.O.B. - MEH

struggling to think of a less 'meh' record

GYFO was great at the time, but now it sounds really dated to me.

yeah...we were talking about this on, um, some hip-hop thread i can't remember recently. not "dated" as such, but...at the time it felt like an automatic era-defining choice, now it seems more like...a one-off, and very much of its time. i go back to missy's first two albums a lot more than to 'get ur freak on'.

But Era-Defining Singles sound dated by their very nature -- that's the whole point of being era-defining.

i think "anomalous" might be the word i use: it doesn't feel as though it's representative of either that period of music, or of missy herself.

or maybe: i don't go back to it half as much as i thought i would.

it is probably the best song on this list (tho), sigh.

it's representative of the Indian vibe trend in rap around that time

oh obvs i don't like anco either, so i like 15 of 20.

Voted All My Friends, not objectively but because of my age and it's relevancy to the 2000s as I experienced them.

Animal Collective - My Girls
*can't remember, is it on the new one?
Annie - Heartbeat
*sorta catchy and sweet
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)
*OK
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
*is a nice loop, but a boring song.
Daft Punk - One More Time
*could say the same about this, but liking it anyway
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
*never heard this, still have to see that movie
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On
*great track, i could see this as track of the decade
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
*nice hit, in a novelty sort of way
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
*never heard it
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
*never heard it
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
*never heard it, will have to download i am curious after that description.
The Knife - Heartbeats
*overrated, hate that voice
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends
*never heard it
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
*^^
Outkast - B.O.B.
*^^
Outkast - Hey Ya!
*heard it way too many times, but yes this seems like a true track of the decade.
Radiohead - Idioteque
*not nearly as good as that Kid a album opener
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers
*this was a short lived hype right?
The Walkmen - The Rat
*never heard it
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps
^^

voting Missy.

Is Crazy the only song on this list with strings on it? The lack of strings in the complete 500 seems pervasive.

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs. Curious minds, etc.

listening to that Ignition song right now, it's sweet. is this actually on a R Kelly album? or just a mixtape thing that sort of accidently became a big thing.

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs. Curious minds, etc.

― Popture, vrijdag 21 augustus 2009 12:49 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Lol popism

listening to that Ignition song right now, it's sweet. is this actually on a R Kelly album? or just a mixtape thing that sort of accidently became a big thing.

It's on Chocolate Factory.

ok cool thx :)

vrijdag 21 augustus 2009

this looks way better than the English, must change my settings.

I like almost all of these songs (not fussed re: The Rat, House of Jealous Lovers, and Blind) but I'm going to go for Heartbeats.

"Ignition (Remix)" without a doubt. However, if "Ghetto Musick" had been on here it would be tough. The only thing Outkast did that built on "B.O.B.", IMO.

the only ones i'd ever really want to hear again are the Annie and R.Kelly ones.

voted ignition (remix)

voting for "B.O.B." since out of the pop picks, it's the only one that'd be highest on my list from that artist. out of the alt/indie stuff, "Idiotheque" is OK, I guess? I'm not the biggest Radiohead fan but it feels to me like their fans should be able to point out a song other than that as their best of the decade.

not a singles band lol etc.

I totally love the Missy Elliott, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, R Kelly and The Knife songs, but voting Animal Collective so stick that up yr kazoo all y'all.

Gnarls Barkley - Crazy - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES

Masonic, did you accidentally ban yourself from planet earth?

lol now saying the same thing about B.O.B (i just listened) wouldn't be strange at all. no hook, no nothing, straaaange number 1. it's sort jungly though, that's so nineties (and cool!)

Paper Planes is the best song, but I've never heard that remix so Crazy.

fyi to all - the paper planes remix just extends the outros and adds verses from rich boy and bun b

all of which makes it worse than the original.

my favorite song of the decade is on this list ["Get Ur Freak On"]

^yea i'd prob say that's my favorite on here too

tho i have no idea what my fav song of the decade is

and if I was running a magazine, the "this is probably the 'rock canon' 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'" song of the decade" is on the list too ["Hey Ya"]

Listening to Crazy now. I don't think I've ever knowingly heard this song before. It's alright, but not a vote-winner.

Where is option for "I don't think *any* of these songs is 'song of the decade'?"

― hüzün (Masonic Boom), Friday, August 21, 2009 7:11 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OK, whats your favorite song of the decade. You get one choice.

I mean, my "song of the decade" would probably be, like, Britney Spears' Toxic or some monumental Sugababes or Girls Aloud track. (though I'd have to spend hours deciding which one was the best.)

I honestly don't know. I suspect i'm too old for this kind of poll - I blinked and the 00s were over before I'd properly realised they were even halfway through.

nothing from 2002 in this top 20? or was Losing My Edge originally released then?

did toxic even make it on the p4k 500 list?

my favourite songs of the decade are likely to be

1. ciara ft. ludacris - oh
2. sweet female attitude - flowers
3. t.i. - what you know

I voted "Maps," and I think it really should've been the PFM single of the decade, even if it wouldn't necessarily be my song of the decade. But I think maybe in a pinch, it could do the job.

pretty much all the acceptable acts in that top 20 made at least 10 better songs this decade. '99 problems' over anything off the blueprint is the most fucked up choice i guess.

nothing from 2002 in this top 20? or was Losing My Edge originally released then?

Yeah, it was (July 2002, I believe).

did toxic even make it on the p4k 500 list?

It was #141. Surprisingly low.

Don't fancy wading through that other thread much so sorry for asking here, but does anyone know if there's a simple text list of 1-500 somewhere?

Not as simple as I'd like, but they've been posted piecemeal here:
http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3226059864/m/662109613

WTF!!!! HOW DARE THEY EXCLUDE "Kitty Kat"?!?!?!?

Thanks a lot jaymc!

'99 problems' over anything off the blueprint is the most fucked up choice i guess.

It may not be a better song that many of The Blueprint's tracks hin a purist, hip hop sense... but it certainly is the most iconic song of his '00s career. I don't have a problem with its placement.

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it's not the most iconic song of his '00s career.

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs.

Have only heard two of these ("Tunnels" and "Hey Ya"), so I'm off to go fuck myself.

To be fear, these two songs are both superb so maybe I should be taking Pitchfork more seriously.

i know why 99 Problems is more popular with a lot of people, and it's got little to do with Jay-Z himself...so if 'most iconic' is just as a direct consequence of that then yeah i guess

it's not the most iconic song of his '00s career.

No? What is?

What does it have to do with if not Jay-Z himself?

ROCK N' ROLL

out of genuine curiosity how on earth is it that the only two songs someone knows from the list would be the Arcade Fire and OutKast?

No? What is?

i dunno, one of the other ones. i was saying on another thread recently that "Izzo" hasn't aged well and isn't even one of his more popular old hits anymore, going on iTunes sales and recurrent radio spins, but i'd still say it's more 'iconic' (slippery as that term is) than "99 Problems."

also definitely "Big Pimpin'" and possibly "Dirt Off Your Shoulders"

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http://www1.siconet.at/Kastna/stuff/99problems_final.jpg
http://www1.siconet.at/Kastna/stuff/99problems_final.jpg

oh, you meant iconic like "Chocolate Rain." ok.

http://www1.siconet.at/Kastna/stuff/99problems_final.jpg
http://blog.craftzine.com/Problems.jpg
http://7.media.tumblr.com/Ni5izETPwkprgbh8bJ8tZnAWo1_500.jpg
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i know why 99 Problems is more popular with a lot of people, and it's got little to do with Jay-Z himself

???

it's absolutely not the most "iconic" jay-z song of the 00s, the idea is laughable.

(Sorry, don't know why LeVar Burton posted like three times.)

out of genuine curiosity how on earth is it that the only two songs someone knows from the list would be the Arcade Fire and OutKast?

Arcade Fire because corny indie is the kind of music I listen to, thus I have _Funeral_ and listened to it a lot when it came out. "Hey Ya" because it was massively popular. Totally possible, even likely, that there are other songs on the list as popular as "Hey Ya" which I've actually heard but don't know by name.

let's cut the shit re: 99 problems--among p4ks audience it is certainly jay-z's most iconic son, because as a million ppl have said but a couple can't seem to understand, it is WITE PPL's favorite jay-z song.

it's absolutely not the most "iconic" jay-z song of the 00s, the idea is laughable.

seems like you're conflating 'iconic' with 'best'. jaymc's pics do suggest it's likely his most famous song.

yes a bunch of internet photos certainly do prove that o_0

Like I said earlier, it's probably the only Jay-Z song my dad knows.

how would you demonstrate that it's NOT his most famous (assuming that's what iconic means) song? xp

it is WITE PPL's favorite jay-z song.

see, even this is pretty arguable. and not just because wite folx love lots of jay-z songs but because i heard a lot of hip hop DJs go nuts for "99 problems" when the black album was first released.

not to get on too much of an e.p. tip but fuk u if you can't name 10 j ay-z songs better than "99 problems"

xp ship lol

xp ok guys, by that logic how do you ecplain the placement of B.O.B.

I wanted to go for Paper Planes but then opted for Hey Ya. I mean, shit, yeah, we've heard it a gazillion times but I still think it's a classic track.

Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love Such a boring track. Such a big ego.

k3vin, enough with the 99 Problems isn't an iconic lol

"Crazy In Love" over "1 Thing" is bullshit 2 me personally but what are you gonna do

xp ok guys, by that logic how do you ecplain the placement of B.O.B.

I don't think anyone's saying that an artist's most iconic song is always going to be their highest-ranking song, merely that it should be no surprise when that does happen.

yeah i mean i'm just going be pers experience with my non hip hop loving friends who all loved 99 problems and then ended up liking lots of other jay z songs from there. i think it's important to recognize what a massive crossover song it was.

ugh crossover songs, ugh non-hip hop fans. abandoning thread now, should never have clicked on anything pitchfork related, it always ends in annoyance

lol lex only you could be unhappy abt people discovering something outside their comfort zone.

Jumping in the fray. I understand Rev's argument that crackers didn't get Jay-Z as a "serious artist" instead of a singles dude until the 00s, but iirc that switch happened with Blueprint in 01, which was pretty much instantly embraced by the rockist canon

xxp Ha, I mean, that's in part what makes it iconic, right? The fact that it's recognized and co-opted by lots of different people?

"One More Time" (Weird that made it over "Digital Love" but I guess I'm in that silent majority that prefers the former.)

yeah that's true in my experience, to the extent that i thought indie guys were just jumping on Blueprint bandwagon as a tokenist thing (but then at the time i still didn't really like Jay) xposts

yeah, it felt like the shift happened big time with The Blueprint, big raves in Rolling Stone and all that, and "99 Problems" was kind of the end of that cycle, reaching the last few people who were ever gonna like Jay-Z but hadn't liked him yet

there may be an age thing here but ppl i know got w/the black album first and then went back to the blueprint.

yeah that has to be an age thing, wtf

MAPS

not quite a no-brainer, but that's what i went with, though i DO heart "get ur freak on"

reaching the last few people who were ever gonna like Jay-Z but hadn't liked him yet

yeah this is kind of a thing--i know lots of people who didn't even pay attention to "new music" and like committed classic rock fans who LOVED 99 problems

guys i basically didn't care about jay-z until this year and i started w/ 'reasonable doubt' and it's pretty awesome

now i am working from there

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs. Curious minds, etc.

― Popture,

Did it ever occur to you that some people are curious about other things? Like, you know, things you yourself aren't curious about. Amazing, huh.

omg those pics are killing me

the levar burton pic is fire

I do love quite a few songs on this list. I wanna vote for "maps" but i'd really just be voting for them as a band, "turn into" in particular. R. Kelly it is

xp granny i'd be really weirded out by someone who hasn't heard at least ten of these songa, like what are you even doing on this board?

That's a general "you"

"The Blueprint" seems to be the first Jay-Z album that Pitchfork actually reviewed so there's definitely an argument for it as his crossover album to that audience.

what enabled that?

xp granny i'd be really weirded out by someone who hasn't heard at least ten of these songa, like what are you even doing on this board?

i've heard pretty much all of them for sure but tbf i think there are a decent number of people on this board who are really really into genres other than pop/indie/hip-hop/rock. people into weirdo experimental shit or jazz or country or old-time music or whatever and don't really care much about the kind of stuff on this list. i know for sure that i've been through phases where i only listen to certain genres that may or may not be on pitchfork's radar at all

mark, even if you exclusively listen to the Merzbox and whale songs, you were gonna hear "Crazy" if you, like, left the house for any reason whatsoever in 2006.

tbf ppl who only listened to that probably weren't leaving the house.

i think even a few whales did covers of it at one point

Whalez Bop

Meanwhile we're not even talking about the real outrage of this poll, the dispiriting lack of roots rock. Why is that the one genre every hipster feels free to tool on?

lol

there may be an age thing here but ppl i know got w/the black album first and then went back to the blueprint.

― call all destroyer, Friday, August 21, 2009 9:58 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah that has to be an age thing, wtf

― some dude, Friday, August 21, 2009 9:59 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Or a "didn't pay attention to hip-hop or top 40 radio from roughly 1997 to 2002 thing," in my case.

Oh I understand, but even still one would surely have friends/the radio/clubs to beat you over the head with it whether you wanted to hear it or not. (xposts)

Actually I'm lying, a good friend of mine from pharmacy school is just like this, likes a bunch of the same obscure shit as me but probably couldn't hum "umbrella" and I give him shit 4 it all the time

i think even a few whales did covers of it at one point

Hobo Humpin' Crazy Babe

do not understand why you would give him shit for that, unless you're on some haha i'm more up on pop culture than you. which is pretty lame.

Meanwhile we're not even talking about the real outrage of this poll, the dispiriting lack of roots rock. Why is that the one genre every hipster feels free to tool on?

― kornrulez6969, Friday, August 21, 2009 11:19 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"The Seed 2.0" was at #330 /dadjoek

mark, even if you exclusively listen to the Merzbox and whale songs, you were gonna hear "Crazy" if you, like, left the house for any reason whatsoever in 2006.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, August 21, 2009 10:17 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

yea ur right. could also be some of these people are familiar w/ the songs but don't know the names/artists? i don't have a fucking clue who kelly clarkson is even tho i've heard the name but when i finally look up what her songs are i'm like, okay, yes i have definitely heard this

yeah they really should have provided links to the songs

Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love Such a boring track. Such a big ego.

wtf, boring? i don't think i've ever heard a less boring song. i voted for it, but i would have voted for "work it" if it has been in gyfo's place.

so this list, while i can't say i don't really like every song on it, kind of sucks. basically reads like their top 10 from the 2000-04 list, with a song from their top 5 of every year since then. no surprises whatsoever, and b.o.b is great and all but what the fuck.

Have we even had any Umbrella/1Thing/Crazy/Hey Ya weirdo crossover R&B moment in 2009? Or 2008?

also, looking at this list:

Animal Collective - My Girls
Annie - Heartbeat
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
Daft Punk - One More Time
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
The Knife - Heartbeats
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
Outkast - B.O.B.
Outkast - Hey Ya!
Radiohead - Idioteque
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers
The Walkmen - The Rat
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps

there are only a few songs on here - 'crazy,' outkast, beyonce, r kelly & jay that i think u must be a shut-in not to have heard. the rest tho? animal collective, lcd, YYYs, rapture, walkmen, etc are all lol indie and if u don't give a shit about indie there's no reason u would really know these songs

btw i'm familiar with 11 of these so i just barely miss weirding you out. for that reason, at least.

um i don't really think it's in the nature of an end-of-decade list from a publication known for its annual lists to "surprise"

no one on this thread gave anyone shit for not knowing what an Annie is, mark cl

define weirdo. are "Umbrella" or "1 Thing" really weirdo?

1 Thing is fuckin nutz

i thought he meant "even weirdos liked them!"

weird doesn't have to mean OMG ANDRE 3000 IS IN SPACE AND SOUNDS LIKE THE CARS AND HAS A BAR IN 2/4

I mean, sort of having a unique element that sets them apart from R&B and gives them some crossover appeal, like "When Doves Cry" or whatever

I never heard, for example, "Say My Name" and "Hot in Herre" until well after they were initially popular -- but I spent the beginning of this decade listening only to college radio and NPR.

um i don't really think it's in the nature of an end-of-decade list from a publication known for its annual lists to "surprise"

i dont know, the 2001-04 list was a fun read at the time mostly because of how little of the list was songs they had already written about. this list i think, i mean i get what they are doing and this is kind of their chance to definitively forge the pitchfork canon as accurately as they want it to be seen, and it's a respectable list. but i'd be lying if i said it was a pleasure to read.

what was the unique element for "Umbrella" though? i mean Rihanna's voice is kind of different but she has lots other songs that didn't have that kind of crossover so i always figured people just like the song.

if anything "1 Thing"'s crossover appeal is the same as that of "99 Problems"; it's brazenly retro or at least owes way more to drum sounds from the past than most other modern R&B radio hits

what was the unique element for "Umbrella" though?

synth sound

if anything "1 Thing"'s crossover appeal is the same as that of "99 Problems"; it's brazenly retro or at least owes way more to drum sounds from the past than most other modern R&B radio hits

― some dude, Friday, August 21, 2009 11:39 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with this.

hmm, never thought much about the synth sound from "Umbrella." but then i've never thought much about the song itself.

i love umbrella

ella

ay

what was the unique element for "Umbrella" though?

GarageBand beat.

lol i thought about that

it's an iconic representation of the era of preset pop (see also: "Love In This Club")

i have a poem in my next poetry book titled "ella, ella, ay, ay, ay"

but that's neither here nor there

I think "One More Time" is the best song on Discovery. It manages to be ecstatic and downcast at the same time, and still sounds futuristic to me. I think Discovery may be my album of the decade, as well.

there are only a few songs on here - 'crazy,' outkast, beyonce, r kelly & jay that i think u must be a shut-in not to have heard. the rest tho? animal collective, lcd, YYYs, rapture, walkmen, etc are all lol indie and if u don't give a shit about indie there's no reason u would really know these songs

Not to be all "get off my lawn" but I do think there's something worth noting here about the difference between being in your late 30s and late 20s. In the 90s I went to college dances and loud bars and thus heard top 40; and I was really invested in the project of being knowledgable about lol indie and thus made a point of listening and having an opinion about everything that people were listening to and having opinions about.

Now I'm not in college and go to quiet bars so don't hear top 40 despite not being a shut-in. Still listen to lots of indie rock but it's no longer programmatic -- now I get involved with records by bands that come to Madison (Fiery Furnaces, Man Man, The Gossip, etc.) or that stand out on mixes people make for me (!!!, McLusky, Takka Takka, Invisible Cities, Annie (but not the song on the Pitchfork list), etc.) or stuff I learn about on ILM (Raveonettes, many Nigeria comps) and new, good records by bands that existed when I was listening programmatically (The Breeders, Belle and Sebastian, Mountain Goats, Magnetic Fields, etc.)

So I'm just making the claim that it's not so weird to be 37 and not to have heard LCD Soundsystem, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, etc. I've heard OF all these bands, and the truth is I've no doubt heard some of their songs, maybe even these songs, because I work in lol indie coffeeshops a lot. And I do think that there's something great sbout programmatic listening and devotion to being au courant that I miss. But "what are you even doing on this board?" is kind of donkey poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwW4Vvp1YnY

In the 90s I went to college dances and loud bars and thus heard top 40

That's interesting to me, because I often chalk up my inexposure to top 40 in the late '90s to the fact that I was in college. I was kind of a snob, though.

i like every song on this list but one more time is way more classic than anything else here. this time next year it'll be ten years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj9AYdsb5Kg&feature=channel

and then kevin made fun of you and here we are
xxp

Shasta OTM

also I woulda ranked Dirt Off Your Shoulder ahead of 99 Problems (Rick Rubin YOU BORE ME)

(WHINEY YOU SB ME)

― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, August 21, 2009 12:45 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i haven't read this thread yet but can it really get better than the first few post of kate lunging for the challops crown with ALL OF THESE SONGS BLOW followed by not posted "ilxor" saying "i don't think there is a definitive song of the decade. it's all opinion"? i think not

it doesn't fyi

Meanwhile we're not even talking about the real outrage of this poll, the dispiriting lack of roots rock. Why is that the one genre every hipster feels free to tool on?

― kornrulez6969, Friday, August 21, 2009 11:19 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"The Seed 2.0" was at #330 /dadjoek

― some dude, Friday, August 21, 2009 10:25 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i lmao'd

the continued insulation of white people will never cease to shock me. last december the staff of the music magazine at my school got together to come up with a top 10 albums/singles list and there 2 or 3 people out of 10 or 11 of us that had NEVER heard "a milli"!! i was dumbfounded then & now, and am not sure how you could've gone thru life not hearing "hot in herre" when it was huge (no offense jaymc). i just can't even understand how you could have not heard "a milli" last year. it's like trying to understand how humans could live on mars.

i dunno "A Milli" isn't the best litmus test imo -- it didn't break out of urban radio formats like "Lollipop"

8 out of 10 people knowing it sounds about right to me regardless of context

the continued insulation of black people will never cease to shock me. last december the staff of the music magazine at my school got together to come up with a top 10 albums/singles list and there 2 or 3 people out of 10 or 11 of us that had NEVER heard "stairway to heaven"!! i was dumbfounded then & now, and am not sure how you could've gone thru life not hearing "love will keep us together" when it was huge (no offense blacjaymc). i just can't even understand how you could have not heard "stairway to heaven" last century. it's like trying to understand how humans could live on mars.

to anyone who expresses this kind of surprise--let me be serious for a minute. it is NOT THAT HARD to avoid stuff.

as a parallel example--of all the fictional comedies and dramas on tv that are currently producing new episdoes, i think i have seen a complete episode of three of them.

none taken, Granny Dainger.

the continued insulation of white people will never cease to shock me. last december the staff of the music magazine at my school got together to come up with a top 10 albums/singles list and there 2 or 3 people out of 10 or 11 of us that had NEVER heard "a milli"!! i was dumbfounded then & now, and am not sure how you could've gone thru life not hearing "hot in herre" when it was huge (no offense jaymc). i just can't even understand how you could have not heard "a milli" last year. it's like trying to understand how humans could live on mars.

― can i ox (J0rdan S.), Friday, August 21, 2009 5:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno...i think with ipods and everything it's almost easier now than at any point in like the last 100 years to be totally insulated...i know so many ppl that just listen to talk radio in the car, like sports talk and then ipod, just stuff they grew up on and old favs and things...why do you think it's so weird that people wouldn't have heard "a milli", it was like some major pop event or anything.

or put it this way j0rdan and not trying to diss but it might say more about you than it says about them.

like, it's really not difficult to avoid a milli if you

don't listen to pop or hip-hop radio
don't watch music channels in the higher reaches of cable tv
don't actively seek it out on the internet

i think it's an age thing, kinda. like when i'm 30 i doubt that i'll care about pop as much as i do now and could see myself missing things. but being 22 and not hearing "a milli"?! what kinda life is that?

dude it just means you are 22 and not doing the things i have listed above. there are MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who do not do those things.

M@tt OTM

I've never even heard of this "a milli" song and frankly don't give a shit and find strident declarations that I SHOULD hear it rather presumptuous and insulting. like fuck you I'll listen to whatever I want.

i mean i missed tons of pop and hip-hop singles from the late 90s and early 00s because i was an awkward high school kid and didn't really engage with that part of pop culture.

shakey you are 45 i excuse you

don't listen to pop or hip-hop radio
don't watch music channels in the higher reaches of cable tv
don't actively seek it out on the internet

yep

I don't listen to any radio at all, ever
don't get any music channels (but I would watch if I did - unfortunately I am cheap)
I only actively seek things out on the internet that sound interesting

lolz I am NOT 45

(however, people have been telling me I act like an "old man" since I was a teenager)

oh also you have to not really go to clubs or certain types of bars. but again, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

i mean, listen shakey i wasn't trying to attack j0rdan, far from it.

it's interesting, but honestly i think one of the interesting things about downloading and ipods is how it sort of destroyed the idea of mass culture

like the whole popist thing seems more backwards and retrograde to me now in a lot of ways than cornee indie fuckery or rockism...

like popism seems more nostalgic in a way, like wishing for this time of mass pop experiences like thriller and madonna and shit and trying to pretend like britney's circus or ameria or rhianna has that same kind of impact anymore....

basically the internet just spawned the sort of obscurist, dork tendencies on a mass scale....

like my friend trains with this personal trainer guy, a power lifter...total right wing nutjob mostly, nice dude though...anyway he listens to like 70s hard rock and stuff he grew up on

the other day he was playing a "new wave" mix of like blondie and the cars and shit....my friend shit his pants when klaus nomi came on! he was like ???, anyway the guy said he got it on the internet because i guess rush limbaugh used to play nomi as a joke sometimes and he ended up liking it...

amerie (not ameria)

don't worry I get where you're coming from M@tt and totally agree, I've been mulling over similar thoughts for the better part of the decade

like the whole popist thing seems more backwards and retrograde to me now in a lot of ways than cornee indie fuckery or rockism...

like popism seems more nostalgic in a way, like wishing for this time of mass pop experiences like thriller and madonna and shit and trying to pretend like britney's circus or ameria or rhianna has that same kind of impact anymore....

i think most ppl who are pop nerds recognize that it's never gonna be like that again. that said, i do think a few songs come close every year. ie "single ladies" which had the whole everyone imitating the dance sequence on youtube thing that probably got some play on the today show or something.

yeah "Single Ladies" was like the newest song at my brother's wedding that everybody knew -- i'm still bitter about that song being so much bigger than "Get Me Bodied"

in my experience you also tend to hear more popular music in your daily life if you drive a piece of shit car with bad AC and have your windows down all summer and hear what other people are bumping at red lights

Was "A Milli" big like "Hot in Herre" was?

don't watch music channels in the higher reaches of cable tv

this is interesting in comparing the 90's and 00's what with MTV completely abandoning music this decade.

it's the presumption of importance that the popist stance assumes that strikes me as blinkered - chart success and major label backing and mass media exposure matter WAY LESS than they used to just 10 years ago. and that isn't going to come back. stop acting like its 1984 and everyone is hearing the same 10 records from the same handful of sources. Pop culture matters less now, its audience has shrunk.

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Sundar: nope, not really

i agree with jordan - i mean not for people who aren't music fans per se, but certainly for any 22-year-old on the staff of a school music magazine.

xp it's not a "popist stance" whatever the fuck that even means - it's just basic "are you interested in what's going on in pop music right now"

i've never heard "A Milli" and what's funny is that I DO listen to hip hop radio on a sort of regular basis when I'm driving around. I think the station out here is weird -- I never hear the big pop hits that people talk about here on ILM. Maybe I'm just missing them. But yeah, I agree that it is TOTALLY easy to avoid stuff in this day and age.

lolz lets not have this what is "pop music" argument again

lots of people who work at lots of music publications have tunnel vision about what they like and don't pay attention to much else

basically if you are the sort of person who spends time on the internet talking about music, using youtube/spotify/lastfm/whatever, downloading music...you should probably check out the biggest hip-hop record of the year at some point over that year. not out of a sense of duty, just...well, don't you WANT to hear it? if it's that big and that many people are talking about it and listening to it?

unless you don't like hip-hop at all in which case you have ~deeper issues~~~

honestly it'd be nice if, say, The Lex had tunnel vision instead of taking a look around at everything else just to throw tantrums abou tit

haha abou tit

i don't consider myself a "popist" but i don't think anyone's under the allusion that people care as much about pop as they used to. that said, i think there are a few songs a year that everyone will have/should have heard. i thought "a milli" was one of them but apparently i was wrong! i accept it

dude those days are over forever

sad but true :(

I never hear the big pop hits that people talk about here on ILM. Maybe I'm just missing them

ilm's favoured pop hits are very often huge commercial failures :(

this thread will end in tears won't it?

this "Oh, they just don't listen to pop radio" excuse is a total bullshit.

Music is EVERYWHERE. In bars. In supermarkets. Blasting out of cars. At weddings. In commercials. On TV.

Like there's probably 1 to 3 songs that come out every year that you'd have to be a total martian not to have heard somewhere.

(fwiw I do like hip hop but I like less and less of it as the genre ages ... Li'l Wayne? gimme a fucking break)

I heard Hot in Here on the damn Tilt-A-Whirl last week.

@Whiney, that maybe so, but I for one don't go "heyyy WHAT'S THIS THEN?" in a supermarket. I don't like music in a supermarket so I don't listen to what it is.

god, i went to Rye Playland for like 6 hours last summer and heard "A Milli" like 20 fucking times

I heard Hot in Here on the damn Tilt-A-Whirl last week.

I don't even like this song but lol this does sound kind of awesome

I don't get why it's so important to make a case of calling people "martians" because they don't know the biggest hit of the year.

whiney u are wrong--just because a song is playing in a public location does not mean that pop-ignant strawman x is going to a) notice, b) remember, or c) care if anyone ever tells him that that was the YEAR'S BIG HIT

Music is EVERYWHERE. In bars. In supermarkets. Blasting out of cars. At weddings. In commercials. On TV.

also in CONVERSATIONS too - a good proportion of my IRL talk w/friends will use "oh have you heard this song" as a jump-off point

they are not the same. they are martians.

hearing a song out in public doesn't necessarily mean knowing it by name

btw what the fuck kind of awesome hip supermarkets do you go to?

Like there's probably 1 to 3 songs that come out every year that you'd have to be a total martian not to have heard somewhere.
OK, what are those three songs, from, say 2008? (ps I love Rye Playland, goddammit that sounds good. The last time I was there, though, the song I heard the most was "Thong Song", lol)

my supermarket plays muzak

shakey you are 45 i excuse you

― can i ox (J0rdan S.)

I'm 41, and I also need to be excused for ignorance. I haven't heard a lot of these "hip-hop" songs you mention. However, I am advised that Wilco has released an edgy, experimental disc this year.

I'm just sayin

When you're 20 and probably hear something by accident 1000 times over the course of a year, I can see how jordan would pop a vein when he plays them "A Milli" and they're like "Duh i have no fucking clue what that is. Can I play 'Arpeggi' again derrrrr?"

the women i work with go "who does this song?" and hum a bar or misquote a lyric and i ID it for them, but not everyone works w/ a nerd like me

I mean, 2008 was "A Milli," "Single Ladies" and "I Kissed A Girl"

they are not the same. they are martians.

― blacjaymc (some dude), Friday, August 21, 2009 5:37 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

hahaha

Also, when facing this "martian", don't you think this "martian" will think you in fact are the "martian"? Or is the "martian" more open minded?

This is all elitism reversed. Elitism of the mass.

i am not saying that they're "right" or "wrong," just that this is actually what happens.

I mean there was like SNL sketches and CNN articles and ESPN commentator jokes about this shit all year.

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listening now I'm kinda glad I never heard "A Milli" before tbh

I mean, 2008 was "A Milli," "Single Ladies" and "I Kissed A Girl"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, August 21, 2009 5:39 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark

I haven't heard all three... (unless I Kissed A Girl is a Jill Sobule cover?)

lollllll m@tt

i remember hearing A Milli multiple times every time i went outside last summer, blaring from cars. the first time, i heard A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MIL A MIL and thought 'oh, that must be A Milli'

ok "A Milli" is the only song I don't know that whiney mentioned there. I am a half-martian?

How do you even post on this board La Bateau?

I mean, 2008 was "A Milli," "Single Ladies" and "I Kissed A Girl"

lolz well I did already know the last two and what can I say, shitty songs like these are why I don't pay attention. it isn't worth it.

i've heard i kissed a girl <10 times. i think i found out pretty late in the game that it was this massive hit.

do you guys that don't know "A Milli" know "Lollipop"?

Haha, "A Milli" peaked at #54 on the Canadian top 100!

tyler

How do you even post on this board La Bateau?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, August 21, 2009 5:41 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

It's not that complicated really. It's I love Music innit?

And yeah, I totally know "Lollipop".
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tyler, did you go to youtube and hear "A Milli" and said "I've NEVER heard this song ANYWHERE in my life?" or do you just no know it by name?

I think it's OK to be ignorant of certain huge songs but not to be proud of the fact. I wrote a blog about Umbrella when it had been at UK number one for 9 or 10 weeks and lots of the commenters were like, "I'm happy to say I've never heard this song", as if not knowing the biggest song of the year were some kind of admirable feat.

Totally endorse Popture's comment: "Voted All My Friends, not objectively but because of my age and it's relevancy to the 2000s as I experienced them." I played it at my oldest friend's 10th wedding anniversary party and it seemed to express so much about my life over the past 10 years in a way that no other record has. Whether it's "better" than Hey Ya! or Get Ur Freak On I can't say.

um in montreal i showed all my friends a milli and they had never heard it before and they were all like "damn why isn't this song on the radio instead of lollipop." so apparently it was on the radio in america?

This is an interesting topic for me cos I just finished a big "decade in pop" essay piece for P4K (look out for it next thursday 'popism' fans)

Two things seem obvious to me. 1. No music now is as popular as some music used to be. 2. Some music now is still a hell of a lot more popular than other music now. I don't think (1) means (2) isn't interesting.

i'm really sad there's an "All My Friends" backlash. I really like that song.

I haven't heard all three... (unless I Kissed A Girl is a Jill Sobule cover?)

ok what i wanna know is: have you not heard OF any of them, like is this literally the first time you've noticed those titles?

or were you aware that they existed and just consciously decided not to go check them out?

yeah, seriously. it's just trolling at this point

I think it's OK to be ignorant of certain huge songs but not to be proud of the fact.

This is key! I'm not proud not knowing those hits, but I'm not ashamed either. I don't have an opinion on it really, but in discours like this it seems like it MUST be interpreted as either good or bad.

I don't think I'd ever heard "A Milli" before today. people don't blast that shit outta cars here, I dunno why not - in my hood its all ranchero and narcocorrido and then Bay Area stuff (E-40 etc)

i'm really sad there's an "All My Friends" backlash. I really like that song.

i'm really sad that apparently sound of silver made everyone forget how exciting 'yeah' was when it came out (and probably still is)

where do you live, Shakey Dog?

I think it's OK to be mildly surprised that people don't now certain huge songs but not to be a total asshole about it and accuse them of being a shut-in from Mars

I haven't heard all three... (unless I Kissed A Girl is a Jill Sobule cover?)

ok what i wanna know is: have you not heard OF any of them, like is this literally the first time you've noticed those titles?

or were you aware that they existed and just consciously decided not to go check them out?

― lex pretend, Friday, August 21, 2009 5:47 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark

No I've heard OF them, just didn't hear them. But it's not for reasons of elitism or "trolling", it's just that I simply didn't get around to it ~ other music to play, other interests etc. Plain and simple truth actually. Some pop hits I do check out, some I don't. Can't make much more of it really.

So no, I didn't decide to not listen to them, I just didn't.

But I will now obviously :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oi79iS9jcE

we're talking about this song, right? so glad this came back into style

As a 39yo white dude who spent most of this decade listening to classical and forgetting how to indie, I've heard 10 of this top 20 list, and it's mostly the chart stuff I know (well, I do have the Knife and DP albums, and have heard the YYY and Rapture songs like once each). I never go to bars cause my gut doesn't let me drink anymore, and only listen to the radio if I'm in a rental car. I guess I get exposed to shit hanging out at friend's houses, and blasting from cars. Def not at my supermarket where it's yacht rock only.

Actually looking forward a lot to ILM's own decade assessment cuz like I said I pretty wasn't paying attention this decade.

From this list, it's between Missy, The Knife and Hey Ya. Need to hear Ignition rmx right away.

I know I've heard "Lollipop" and I'll bet I've heard the other two as well without knowing what they were.

I live in the Mission District in San Francisco fwiw

ok i just went to youtube and listened to "A Milli" and I really swear to god that I am not familiar with it! I have heard "Lollipop" though, yes.

Shakey, yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjPq4U7Vo4

lol @ whiney and lex for appearing to be geuninely confused that there are other people with different agendas

In terms of what I tend to hear as everyday background music etc, songs like "Viva La Vida", Sara Bareille's "Love Song", or Taylor Swift's "Love Story" seemed way more ubiquitous than anything by Lil' Wayne.

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in my neighborhood mainly what gets blasted out of cars is tejano kinda stuff

two days ago i was the magazine that i write for @ my school was having a meeting to decide top 10 albums/songs of the year - and after we got the rankings done it came out that two ppl (indie types - one's fav album was mgmt and the other's was okkervil river) hadn't heard A MILLI. like... what planet do you live on? same applies for bleeding love and viva la vida

― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:33 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

There's a lot of people who really don't bother with mainstream stuff at all. I only know those songs because I deliberately try to "keep up" -- but if I didn't watch TV or listen to commercial radio (which basically describes my early 20s) or periodically check out chart hits on iTunes/YouTube, there's a lot of pop music I would never have heard.

― jaymc, Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:39 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Just checked: of the PF top 20 I know 14 songs. I don't know the #01, but will listen to it out of curiosity for sure.

fwiw, I'm pretty sure I never heard that National song until today

but being 22 and not hearing "a milli"?! what kinda life is that?

I'm 23 - I don't listen to the radio / watch much tv and I get all of my music info from the internet. I've heard A Milli lots of times - but only because I read about it on ilm and decided to go find it.

I don't think I'd ever heard "A Milli" before today. people don't blast that shit outta cars here, I dunno why not - in my hood its all ranchero and narcocorrido and then Bay Area stuff (E-40 etc)

^^^also this.

"what kinda life is that?" is really bringing the LOLs

"This is key! I'm not proud not knowing those hits, but I'm not ashamed either. I don't have an opinion on it really, but in discours like this it seems like it MUST be interpreted as either good or bad."

Right. I realised mid-June that I'd never heard either Susan Boyle or Lady Gaga sing and wondered briefly if this signified some terrible disconnection with the modern world. Decided it didn't matter. Neither pride nor shame, just the way it worked out. Turned out I did like Poker Face once I heard it, though. (This year's the exception I think. Of the PF top 50 there are only four I don't know - Walkmen, TVOTR, Spoon and Fireworks by Animal Collective.)

Lex, I don't think Sound of Silver made anyone forget Yeah, let alone everyone.

Exactly Dorian! I've never heard Gaga as well. And it's not like I don't keep up! I know all about her vast array of genitalia for one

Where was "Daft Punk Is Playing At My House"?!

Huh-OW-OW

Animal Collective - My Girls - this is a great song
Annie - Heartbeat - dunno it. sounds like I wouldn't like it
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) - don't remember this song in particular, but I kinda hate this band, even when they are playing their one good song.
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love - yeah this is pretty great
Daft Punk - One More Time - dunno it. might like it
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix) - dunno this partic remix but this song in general is great
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On - awesome
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy - boring
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind - dunno it. sounds like I wouldn't like it
Jay-Z - 99 Problems - pretty good, but wrong Jay-Z song for this list
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix) - hate this fucking guy
The Knife - Heartbeats - dunno it. should probably check it out.
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends - great
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge - great
Outkast - B.O.B. - great
Outkast - Hey Ya! - great
Radiohead - Idioteque - never paid attention to these guys and don't plan to start
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers - great
The Walkmen - The Rat - dunno it. sounds like I wouldn't like it
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps - great

Music is EVERYWHERE. In bars. In supermarkets. Blasting out of cars. At weddings. In commercials. On TV.

also in CONVERSATIONS too - a good proportion of my IRL talk w/friends will use "oh have you heard this song" as a jump-off point

― lex pretend,

Humor me and try this experiment. Lex, pretend--just pretend!--that you are NOT you. That your friends are different from the ones you have now. That they and you talk about different things. That they and you have different interests, exist in different environments and social circles. Stretch your imagination and try to envision how this would cause you to maybe not know the lastes "big pop hits."

if this list/thread has made some people hear "ignition (remix)" who had never heard it before, then it's a public service.

hmm 'yeah' is just far and away lcd soundsystem's defining and greatest moment to me.

i voted beyoncé in the poll! have no preference between 'crazy in love' and 'get ur freak on', but all of missy's best stuff is in the '90s, and this poll is about the '00s; beyoncé is one of this decade's defining artists. that said it's still only like her 6th best solo single.

it's easily my favourite Beyonce single

the only reason i know most of the stuff on the pitchfork top 50 is because of ILM

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/arcadefire452.jpg

Give it your best Lex, this experiment MUST NOT fail!

i guess it's weird that not keeping up with the big popular hits is seen as some kinda crime here, or just unbelievable. I mean, I don't "keep up with television" and a ton of popular movies pass me by.

xpost But did you know she was a pawn of the Illuminati?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676

I could have played Poker Face on YouTube but I still relish the serendipity of hearing a really huge pop record randomly so I waited until I did, and kind of liked it more as a result. Obviously this didn't work so well with Spoon.

whenever someone does a post where they run down the songs one by one with "LAME" "OK I GUESS" "DIDNT HEAR IT" "DONT KNOW" "DONT KNOW," it's just can i just

"A Milli" wasn't nearly as big of a hit as "Lollipop", was it? Although it's a great song, it seems to me that it was mostly hyped by music critics and people on ILM. I don't ever remember hearing it on the radio, and when I tried to play it for family members they looked at me dumbfounded. It seems way too minimal and out there for the general listening public.

That your friends are different from the ones you have now. That they and you talk about different things. That they and you have different interests, exist in different environments and social circles.

i'd honestly be shocked if anyone on this board had NO friends who weren't into pop music.

i guess it's weird that not keeping up with the big popular hits is seen as some kinda crime here, or just unbelievable

because it's a music board? i mean it would never occur to me to say stuff like this on, say, my tennis board.

xp Exactly. I might've heard it on the radio once or twice in passing, but nearly as much as I heard "Lollipop." Then again, it did make the Billboard top 10, so maybe I just tuned it at the wrong time.

haha sorry Whiney

counted - i've heard 16 of the songs on this list, 17 if you take into account that i've heard "paper planes" but not that particular remix (tho i've heard, like, 20 other fucking remixes of that song)

@tylerw A big pop song can be absorbed in three minutes, though, unlike a movie or TV show. Nobody's blasting the latest big movie out of their cars. One of the joys of pop is that it can infiltrate the everyday in unexpected ways and at great speed.

A Milli's really the wrong song to have this argument about though - too jarring for a lot of pop stations and not exactly a wedding party classic.

because it's a music board? i mean it would never occur to me to say stuff like this on, say, my tennis board.

― lex pretend, Friday, August 21, 2009 6:04 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

Music isn't just pop Lex. I know I won't have to ask you about the new Oren Ambarchi record or whatever (you'll probably only drop by an Ambarchi thread to say how much the music sucks anyway...), but this really seems you're equalling Music to Pop Music here. Which doesn't seem just.

i would play 'a milli' at my wedding and it would be classic

xp

nonetheless 'A Milli' was a v successful single (top 10 in the US at least), which i've always found fascinating xposts

"A Milli" was big on iTunes and on R&B charts, but if you look at any non-urban airplay chart like the Pop 100, it only got as high as #34, which is one slot higher than "Mrs. Officer" got

i'd honestly be shocked if anyone on this board had NO friends who weren't into pop music.

I don't think I do...? Oddly the younger people in my life don't seem too aware either - I'm always kinda shocked when one of my younger cousins/in-laws or coworkers or whatever says something stupid like "hip hop is for boys" (17 yo girl actually said this to me. She likes the fucking High School the Musical Cast and the Jonas Brothers!) If anything has cemented for me how totally irrelevant pop music is, its this.

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because it's a music board?

and "music" means just "current popular music", as we all know. you're coming across every bit as if not more narrow-minded and blinkered as those oblvious to songs in this list.

because it's a music board?

Yeah, but there's a lot of music beyond the "big popular hits." Even if ILM is known for its "poptimism" (ugh), it's still not called I Love Chart-Pop, and a lot of us probably wouldn't be posting here if it were.

I think Shakey's point about cars applies to me too; my neighborhood is PR/Dominican and the stuff that gets blasted is all reggaeton, whatever reggaeton has evolved into, and mind-crushingly hyperelaborate salsa.

One of the joys of pop is that it can infiltrate the everyday in unexpected ways and at great speed.
well, yeah, and that's exactly the way I'd prefer to experience these songs you're talking about! but the infiltration doesn't seem to be happening in the way you guys expect it to ...

and my cousin who went away to college last year - all he wanted to do was download old 70s soul and classic rock from me. he said he hated "current music" and all his dormmmates wanted to listen to was shit like Jack Johnson and Dave Matthews. This kid grew up in Chicago.

x-posts

i clearly need to go back to Rye Playland

i hope lex does DJ at his own wedding

I want Lex to walk up the aisle to Ciara's Oh!

xxpost I'm going sometime late this month. I'll count the times I hear "Turn My Swag On"

http://www.ryerecord.com/Rye%20Record%20Website%2007.20.07/images/playland%20DSC_0723.jpg
this one made me totally sick ... went on it twice, though

My friend knows 'A Milli' & not 'Lollipop' only because of the mantra bit ("wtf is this millimillimilli thing i hear?") so it had that going for it. I heard it on the radio & from passing cars a fair deal & after the election the rap/r&b station here even aired the o-bama o-bama version.

You should also count the times you turn your swag on. (xpost)

you're coming across every bit as if not more narrow-minded and blinkered as those oblvious to songs in this list.

stop w/the personal insults, yeah?

this really seems you're equalling Music to Pop Music here. Which doesn't seem just.

idk i think of music as much of a social thing as a personal thing - it's not some rabbithole that i disappear down on my own, it's something that connects me to society, people to each other. in that sense i consider it important to hear the biggest tracks of the year - if i didn't then i'd end up feeling a bit unmoored and detached, which i wouldn't want.

I want Lex to walk up the aisle to Ciara's Oh!

i really really really want my first dance to be to lil kim's 'how many licks?' (which i have actually played at a wedding btw)

i think that one's gone tyler. they had that one at coney island and i almost puked. only time i ever almost puked on a ride

whenever someone does a post where they run down the songs one by one with "LAME" "OK I GUESS" "DIDNT HEAR IT" "DONT KNOW" "DONT KNOW," it's just can i just

wait a minnit whiney i ain't hatin' but this from the guy w/the twitter project? wtf?

you don't like the monster quit building it imo

actually no, trina's 'b r right' - a bit more romantic

xp

this really seems you're equalling Music to Pop Music here. Which doesn't seem just.

idk i think of music as much of a social thing as a personal thing - it's not some rabbithole that i disappear down on my own, it's something that connects me to society, people to each other. in that sense i consider it important to hear the biggest tracks of the year - if i didn't then i'd end up feeling a bit unmoored and detached, which i wouldn't want.

― lex pretend, Friday, August 21, 2009 6:14 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

All right, I can see that. For me, music is about connecting as well, but I don't/can't connect to everyone. Wouldn't even want to. I do like to hear some big hits, but I also want to hear the years biggest drone or noise "hits". It connects me to people or 'society' as well, just different parts than you connect to.

what you don't want to connect to drunk assholes at clubs what's your problem

In my age group (I'm 53) most people don't give a shit about music of ANY kind. The things that connect people are TV shows, movies, politics and endless discussions about their kids

i think it's most analogous to having a grasp of current affairs to me

I sympathize with lex here, and I once made the argument about the marvelousness of hearing your favorite song coming out of the car idling next to yours, and as I get older I get less insular; but he's not creating a dichotomy here. It isn't bedsit vs car listening.

stop w/the personal insults, yeah?

Those weren't really insults, and I don't know how else to put it! A personal insult would be like calling someone a Martian or a shut-in or what have you (which you didn't do, i know). Just like you're boggled by people who haven't heard songs X, Y, and Z, I'm boggled that you honestly can't get your head around the fact that people haven't heard songs X, Y, and Z.

i fully expect to have at least some friends who are really into music for my entire life tbh

lolz lex prepare to be disappointed

go to an old folks home and check out how many people listen to music, of ANY kind

maybe he just plans on being the old dude in the club hitting on the young ones

:(

when i am old, i plan to get really into jazz, i think

shakey mo will kill off any of lex's friends who haven't renounced music by their 40th mystery and it will make an awesome NBC Mystery of the Week

"Senescence (Remix)"

dudes the world is ending in 2012 so drop it imo

birthday

fuckin

can't type any more at all

Man I know yall have made a great thread outta strawmanning my and jordans argument, which was that it was weird that people at a music paper at a pretty major university and people who post to a pop music message board hadn't heard most of these songs, not everyday ppl. The 'a milli' tangent was dumb b/c it's just one song thus too small a sample size, which is why I referred to the whole list and those who didn't know half of them. And honestly, if you haven't heard a lot of these songs then you're pretty ill qualified to speak on what the best singles of the decade were since you were kinda willfully shutting yourself out from most of them.

someone remind me what number 'Get Low' was in this list btw

lex i bet your definition of being "really into music" will change as you get older.

dudes the world is ending in 2012 so drop it imo

― unban dictionary (blueski), Friday, August 21, 2009 6:25 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

Still leaves PF's top 100 songs of 2009 to 2011!

when i am old, i plan to get really into jazz, i think

this is possibly the weirdest, most endearing lex post ever! (is it just because you think old people = jazz music, or because you have an actual latent interest in a genre that's been largely dead for 30 years?)

pop music message board

i wouldn't ever read or post here if this is all it was. if that's all you get out of it, that's unfortunate.

and people who post to a pop music message board

Is that what ILM is? It's about pop?

xp

someone remind me what number 'Get Low' was in this list btw

this is actually a really good question - was there no Li'l Jon at all on that list?? So preferred this to anything I've heard from Weezy

kinda willfully shutting yourself out from most of them.

ugh i thought we got past the "willfully" part of this.

ILM's about pop + ouds

when i am old, i plan to get really into jazz, i think

this is possibly the weirdest, most endearing lex post ever! (is it just because you think old people = jazz music, or because you have an actual latent interest in a genre that's been largely dead for 30 years?)

haha no it's because, while i don't expect my love for banging club music, whether that be uk funky or r&b or techno, to ever die, i ain't gonna be the weird 45-yr-old dude in the club looking all out of place. i've really enjoyed the bits and pieces of jazz i've heard, but don't feel like i have the time or money to plunge into the genre right now - i think this is an ideal thing to save for when i can't/don't want to channel my energy into club music.

Man I know yall have made a great thread outta strawmanning my and jordans argument, which was that it was weird that people at a music paper at a pretty major university and people who post to a pop music message board hadn't heard most of these songs, not everyday ppl. The 'a milli' tangent was dumb b/c it's just one song thus too small a sample size, which is why I referred to the whole list and those who didn't know half of them. And honestly, if you haven't heard a lot of these songs then you're pretty ill qualified to speak on what the best singles of the decade were since you were kinda willfully shutting yourself out from most of them.

― ash ra - i love temple (k3vin k.), Friday, August 21, 2009 2:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"music paper at a university" sounds like a bunch of indie kids to me tbh

Usher's "Yeah!" was the only Lil Jon --- "Get Low" is at the top of the list of popular songs I was surprised not to see (which I never got around to fleshing out or posting)

Man I know yall have made a great thread outta strawmanning my and jordans argument, which was that it was weird that people at a music paper at a pretty major university and people who post to a pop music message board hadn't heard most of these songs, not everyday ppl. The 'a milli' tangent was dumb b/c it's just one song thus too small a sample size, which is why I referred to the whole list and those who didn't know half of them. And honestly, if you haven't heard a lot of these songs then you're pretty ill qualified to speak on what the best singles of the decade were since you were kinda willfully shutting yourself out from most of them.

given the hyperfragmented nature of the music market in the digital age & the complete collapse of the pop chart, it's not even a little odd that any music writer wouldn't have heard a large number of these songs - would have been weird ten years ago, but anybody who thinks "keeping up" is a meaningful idea anymore is you'll forgive me for saying it kinda soundin like a geezer on an old paradigm

haha no it's because, while i don't expect my love for banging club music, whether that be uk funky or r&b or techno, to ever die, i ain't gonna be the weird 45-yr-old dude in the club looking all out of place

Short jump from jazz to Wilco.

plus live jazz will be an awesome replacement for going clubbing.

also i'm gonna get more into classical music, though that's already in my life anyway.

i don't intend to ever be into wilco.

was gonna give lex a wilco box set for birfday :(

lol. Actually Lex's comment is OTM. Still fine to listen to pop, obv. (I'm 41 and I listen to it. And dubstep! Just not in a club).

wait 'Get Low' is not actually in the 500 at all? that's fucking crazy even for pfork

all roads lead to Wilco

I know what Lex means when he talks about wanting to be tuned into society at large -- that's one of the reasons I listen to Top 40, too, and I love when I can have a conversation about the latest Beyonce single with someone I don't know or have little else in common with -- but on a personal level, I have quite a few friends who are "into music" without knowing much about what's on the charts. They're either NPR-ish indie-rock fans or they're record-collecting vinyl geeks or they're trance DJs or they're folk songwriters or whatever. We can share our love of music and have plenty of conversations about it without the name of a current chart-pop icon ever coming up.

all roads lead to Wilco

I know yr kidding but well Nels Cline did record an album of Coltrane covers

this is an interesting point because my favourite albums of recent years i can only really talk about with ppl who know ILM and it would be rare to mention them to a stranger and them know what i was on about.

I live & breathe music all day every day but lost interest in pop music a few years ago because there's so much else to hear & it wasn't even my favorite stuff, is my point - if I want hyper-polished pop, I'll listen to the Thai charts, which are considerably better than the U.S. ones imo - you know? being out of touch with The Zeitgeist isn't a meaningful idea in music any more. There isn't one zeitgeist. There are neighborhoods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AszbNtYlrBU

xpost "i fully expect to have at least some friends who are really into music for my entire life tbh"

I hope you do, Lex, but I have to say that with a couple of exceptions every friend I have who's still really into music is either a journalist or a musician. Those who are neither still like stuff when I burn compilations for them but have no pressing desire to track it down (if I don't give them compilations they just listen to Kings of Leon, for some reason). I would not have seen that coming 10 years ago - and these same people will treat me like a refusenik weirdo for not having seen every season of the Wire. But tbh, if I did still have a peer group who were passionately into music I probably wouldn't need ILX in the same way.

J0hn M@tt and me all on the same page I think

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"Blind", "Crazy In Love", "Heartbeats", "Heartbeat", "One More Time", "House Of Jealous Lovers", "Maps", and "Get Ur Freak On" are definitely some of the songs that I loved the most in the last decade.

J0hn OTM. It's what I meant when I said, like you Lex, I am also in touch with "society" through music. Just a different part of it.

i LIKE rap music and ive only heard a milli 5-6 times... it kind of sucks

yeah thing about "A Milli" is that it's overrated as fuck and it being the highest LW song on the list kinda pains me

i wonder if 'what's your fantasy?' made the list

was "hustler music" on the list because I would take a bullet for that jam

I have to say that with a couple of exceptions every friend I have who's still really into music is either a journalist or a musician

i guess i'll just have to stay friends w/journalists and musicians! this does not really pain me

i wonder if 'what's your fantasy?' made the list

"Southern Hospitality" is the only Luda single (not including "ft." credits) that made the list (#169).

it will pain u when all ur friends are unemployed xp

We can share our love of music and have plenty of conversations about it without the name of a current chart-pop icon ever coming up.

Exactly. Same goes for movies. Or food (I love me some music--food analogies). No one needs to be abreast of the recent trends in food to have a 2000 post thread er I mean a long conversation about Mexican vs Italian food.

can't wait until lex is a jazz d-bag

Dorian's life strikingly similar to mine. Thank you ILM.

this vanishing of the Zeitgeist kinda makes me wonder if a) it will ever return or b) it will be missed. Like, when I'm explaining what music was like when I was growing up to my daughter, is she going to think it was cool that everyone shared the experience of "Thriller" or will that just seem weird and incomprehensible

"Southern Hospitality" is the only Luda single (not including "ft." credits) that made the list (#169).

this is why i shouldn't have asked. SIGH.

it will pain u when all ur friends are unemployed xp

"when"

I agree with Dorian. As people get older they get more and more caught up in their work and family obligations, and interest in music almost always falls away. My friends and family try to stay openminded about the music I introduce to them but they mostly just don't seem that connected to it.

glad we solved this while i was doing laundry

this whole "omg no more zeitgest bye buddy mourn ya till i join ya" thing is kind of overstated, imo. there are still things, including musical things (although sometimes more YouTube meme songs or stuff in commercials or movies) that tons and tons of people are familiar with. i think it's just a lot easier now to get a false sense of what those things are.

Fwiw I meant "pop music" only in the sense of the broadest "pop vs jazz/classical" dichotomy, sry for the confusion. My larger point is: if you haven't heard or don't care to hear the big pop songs of the decade, there's no reason to come in here a la kate masonic and be like "man all these songs suuuck, I'll tell ya where the real music came from this decade" b/c no 1 cares

Sry for lagging but I'm on my phone

@K3vin K., all right, fair game. But just so you know ~ I did call you out on "pop" music ~ I didn't say the songs sucked, I just said I didn't know them.

yeh it's weird. i mean if you were basing this on YouTube views in 2009 then Susan Boyle is the most famous singer in the western world, but it's still pretty easy to have not heard her voice (you're probably more likely to have seen a photo). xp

i think we can all agree kate's breakdown was lame and pointless.

xposts

Was at a 4th of July BBQ which doubled as a sort of MJ memorial & there was this one lady who somehow never experienced 'Thriller' - everybody giddily mimicking taken-for-granted dance moves & stuff def. seemed a little weird and incomprehensible to her I think. "Wow, you guys..."

Some ppl find the countless 'Crank That' youtubes weird and incomprehensible too but I wasn't at that BBQ.

what i would actually really like is for the ppl who don't know these songs to listen to them on pitchfork and tell us what they think.

xpost I remember my dad never understanding why other people his age fell out of love with music to the point where his enthusiasm became a weird quirk, like, heh, you know Dave and his music. So he had to wait until I was a teenager in order to have someone to bond with over, say, Nirvana or Radiohead. I thought that was just a feature of his era - people had kids earlier, became middle-aged earlier - but I'm not so sure now.

yeh it's weird. i mean if you were basing this on YouTube views in 2009 then Susan Boyle is the most famous singer in the western world

lol that's the point at which the big permanently-down-w/-the-zeitgeist ppl start tuggin forelock and shufflin feet

Like, when I'm explaining what music was like when I was growing up to my daughter, is she going to think it was cool that everyone shared the experience of "Thriller" or will that just seem weird and incomprehensible

I don't think it will be incomprehensible. But I think kids will have trouble appreciating how overwhelmingly popular certain artists were before things got so fragmented and attention-spans got so short. Who's the biggest male pop star of the decade? Kanye West; Justin Timberlake? They've got huge followings, I'm sure, but it seems to me that they don't have the media saturation or overwhelming and fanatical fan support of, say, Michael Jackson in the early 80s.

I relate to Shakey's comment, because this is precisely the conversation I've had with my 8-year old daughter. She stares at me blankly, rolls her eyes, and goes back to listening to The Pretty Pretty Princesses, a cartoon band from The Mighty B.

Well, either The Pretty Pretty Princesses or the F---k Buttons.

uh i have seen & heard susan boyle, thankyou very much - in fact this is WHY i youtubed her in the first place

what i would actually really like is for the ppl who don't know these songs to listen to them on pitchfork and tell us what they think.

i would like this too

shit am really late 4 dinner party now gotsta go xx

(You know, wholesome music).

I keep in touch with society by getting laid a lot.

uh i have seen & heard susan boyle, thankyou very much - in fact this is WHY i youtubed her in the first place

exhibit #1 for john's point, then

I will happily YT the songs I don't know once I am not at workplace with its draconian web-filtering policy.

Who's the biggest male pop star of the decade? Kanye West; Justin Timberlake? They've got huge followings, I'm sure, but it seems to me that they don't have the media saturation or overwhelming and fanatical fan support of, say, Michael Jackson in the early 80s.

I'm having trouble figuring out how to articulate this, forgive me if it gets a little disconnected - prior to the Death of the Zeitgeist (tm) there were fewer viable figures for a listening public to project its concerns onto. Its as if within the listening public at large there is a certain amount of psychic energy that needs an outlet, people need a figure to epitomize their aspirations and neuroses and dreams and politics and whatever else they feel intensely about onto, they want to see their lives writ large on the public stage, and there were a handful of performers who fulfilled this role by being a) incredibly popular and thus a proper canvas for these feelings and b) suitably weird and idiosyncratic and novel enough to excite those feelings in the first place. This has always been a key role of pop music, to bring out all that stuff bubbling under the public consciousness to the fore, and to articulate them in new and heretofore unexplored ways. With Elvis it was race, with the Beatles it was the boomer's obsession with their own youth and cleverness, with MJ it was race (again) but also an otherworldliness and naivete, etc. But now no one can achieve that level of ubiquity and thus, they can't really perform the role of pop icons past... which begs the question where does the public's need to see their lives reflected back at them get played out (on youtube, I guess, for 15 minutes? thx Warhol). I don't know what that means for us as a culture... I wonder if at some point after this current wave of fracturing has died down we will see another cycle of the concentration of media power and wealth that will lead to some as-yet-inconceivable level of global stardom for some future pop icon but who knows...

was Loose Fur jazzy or like post rock? I can't remember....

Who's the biggest male pop star of the decade? Kanye West; Justin Timberlake? They've got huge followings, I'm sure, but it seems to me that they don't have the media saturation or overwhelming and fanatical fan support of, say, Michael Jackson in the early 80s.

Daughtry?

forgive me, but i am mortified by this list

forget it louis, it's pitchforktown

i wanna thank jaymc for digging up my post from last year about these "a milli" kids - as you can tell it really really dumbfounded me

it's a pretty big list, louis is into prog

good list*

i just listened to that daft punk song for the 1st time. the title is incorrect. they should have called it never again. the radiohead song is one of their most annoying. the other tracks i don't know really. heard the rapture though, it sounded very retro. lcd soundsystem should pack in his soundsystem and swallow some lsd instead. those are the 20 tracks of the decade? the decade was shit musically but it wasn't as crap. i think i will listen to my smiths records now.

I would rep for 18 of these 20 songs.

you never heard "one more time" before this very moment????????????????????????

that song where ICP samples Gong should have made the list

i feel like fat joe on that mixtape cover

was really hoping 'atlas' would make it here so i'd have a conscionable vote but basically i'm gonna have to hear 'the rat' and refresh my memory of 'get ur freak on' if outkast aren't to be voted for in a heartbeat

which two will you not rep for whiney

lol not 2 be a terrible annoying style section writer or anything but the biggest pop star of this decade is mfing OBAMA

i feel like fat joe on that mixtape cover

― can i ox (J0rdan S.), Friday, August 21, 2009 7:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol elephant in the sand?

maybe i did hear one more time before. it is so unmemorable that it didn't stick in my mind.

http://artwork.datpiff.com/mf6c6f2a/Fat_Joe_Kill_All_Rats_Gay_Unit_Vol1-front-large.jpg

eman wrote this on thread ☺ ☻۞ 77 mixtapedia of dopest/craziest/funniest mixtape art ۞☺ ☻ on board 7Curtis's 7borad on Nov 6, 2008

lol look how disgusted fat joe is at having found that framed photo

man I feel like Paul Ledney in that photoshoot in the woods

Lol @ alex in manhattan, reminds me of that youtube series in whixh old ppl "review" indie rock songs, the concept for which is equally apalling but for different reasons

"I Miss Jail <3" is a pretty good tattoo IMO

The only one of this group I really don't like much is "The Rat". Something about the guy's voice, and the song sounds grim.

which two will you not rep for whiney

― Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The National who are just one in a zillion boring rock-qua-rock bands who do nothing for me, and The Knife who straight up blow

I mean I think the Arcade Fire is a load of shit, but I cannot deny how awesome that song is.

Louis please revive that thread from a couple months ago and listen to the ones you haven't heard

The National?

the national?

Ok this is the second time the national have been mentioned...I may have missed something but they aren't on this list

Lol xp

Did "Fake Empire" end up placing?

was just gonna say

LOL, I got them confused with the Walkmen

Nice. : )

my friend kinda ruined arcade fire for me when he said they sound like a less ballsy eddie and the cruisers

they are still terrible, as is that song.

tbh:

The National The Walkmen, who are just one in a zillion boring rock-qua-rock bands who do nothing for me

i like the national

theyre like a quiet version of u2

They're U2 with a John Cale imitator leading them.

In general I could take or leave the Walkmen, but that song is pretty great.

id go so far as to say i really like the national "apartment story" is a pretty song

that song on the album that sounds just like Jonathan Fire*Eater with a name like "house of jealous lovers" maybe "the noble book of savages" or something >>>> "The Rat"

"little house of savages"!

it's a headrush of a song that succeeds entirely on its own merits, like the ultimate emo anthem for an alternate dimension where girls don't exist (sorry, ladies) wtf

yeah i didn't get that at all...

it's a headrush of a song that succeeds entirely on its own merits, like the ultimate emo anthem for an alternate dimension where girls don't exist (sorry, ladies) wtf

― da croupier, Friday, August 21, 2009 8:38 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this about st. anger?

However, if "Ghetto Musick" had been on here it would be tough. The only thing Outkast did that built on "B.O.B.", IMO.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, August 21, 2009 6:17 AM Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hspbNJFxESE

just wanna say that My Girls is not even the best song on MPP let alone AC's best

1. Jay-Z - 99 Problems
2. R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
3. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps

voting b.o.b. though i'm counting on radiohead (who i'm really glad to see represented by this track) to get a lot of lurker votes

I like "My Girls" better than anything I've ever heard from them. The transition between "adobe slabs for my girls" and the chorus gets me every time. It seems like a great balance of Avey Tare's and Panda Bear's sounds. Panda Bear's increasing influence in the band is a good thing imo.

Yeah that song sticks out like a sore thumb, coming from someone who likes AC. Really confusing...you've got a top 20 basically full of songs that are like "yeah, I can see a lot of ppl voting for that" and then there's that at #9 or whatever, kinda fishy. Seems like it should switch places with "bros" at the very least

^otm

I wonder if people just got prematurely excited about voting for it.

Well after all they've got to concile the fact that they rated the album with a 9.6 and that it will most definitely show up in their top 10 albums of the decade. Not including a song of the album in their top 20 would've been a tad incongruent.

this is kinda how I feel about it though, its a should instead of a "we like this a fucking lot"

voting b.o.b. though i'm counting on radiohead (who i'm really glad to see represented by this track) to get a lot of lurker votes

I already voted for Radiohead 62 times.

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It does kind of stick out on this list. There's an automatic problem in ranking anything from 2009 so high.

this is kinda how I feel about it though, its a should instead of a "we like this a fucking lot"

Didn't they already say "we like this a fucking lot" by giving a 9.6 to the entire album?

just because you really like an album doesn't mean that an individual track off it is really a great track in that way, like Creature Comforts is probably my favourite album of the 00's but I can't imagine picking a track off that and saying it was one of my favourite tracks of the 00's because, well I just really enjoy the sound world that I think they nail on that album and the way it all hangs together and little details and things all across the album. I just feel like MPP is more that kindof album and that they like the album that much fair enough (don't forget that it was just one staffer in particular that gave it that score tho) but I just don't really buy that My Girls is really this epic standalone moment.

Not including a song of the album in their top 20 would've been a tad incongruent.

Really?

Here are a few albums that one might expect to find in the top 10, given previous Pitchfork poll positions:

Jay-Z, The Blueprint (#2, 2000-04)
Interpol, Turn On the Bright Lights (#3, 2000-04)
Avalanches, Since I Left You (#5, 2000-04)
Sufjan Stevens, Illinois (#1, 2005)
The Knife, Silent Shout (#1, 2006)
Panda Bear, Person Pitch (#1, 2007)
Fleet Foxes, Fleet Foxes (#1, 2008)

None of these albums had a track that placed higher than #40.

Also, that's presuming that a 9.6 automatically guarantees a placement in the decade-end top 10. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah's 9.0 didn't even get them a placement in the top 10 of 2005.

Yeah, Twin Cinema also got a 9.0, but was just outside the top 10 for that year on Pitchfork's list, I think.

There's a compulsion with all Best Song/Album lists to include the most deserving entrant from the last 12 months, just to show that you're not looking backwards all the time and the best may be yet to come. If you look at any previous list on rocklist you'll find weird inclusions that served a purpose at the time but seem misguided now. I understand why they do it but I don't take those token entries too seriously.

yeah, but "My Girls" is the most deserving entrant?

what is the highest-ranking track that wasn't a single?

"Idioteque." "Optimistic" was the only single released from Kid A.

o yeah Idioteque was put out as a promo on CD and 12" but with no other tracks, and they aired a video for it on MTV (no rly) a few times but it wasn't a proper single.

Brothersport is the big Hosanna off MPP IMO is really the only part that bothers me.

was put out as a promo on CD and 12"

for the clubs lol

What would you include from this year, TheReverend? My favourite singles of 2009 are Daniel, Zero and The Fear but any of them would seem equally out of place and premature. We haven't had an Umbrella or Crazy in Love this year.

Something that doesn't give me a headache.

Yeah, AC give me a headache too.

This has been a weak year for big pop singles, and most of my favorite songs of this year have been kind of nichey things that I realize aren't going to be everyone's cup of tea, so I don't really have a good answer to that. "Turnin' Me On", maybe?

"Zero" isn't a favorite of mine, but I could totally see it doing well on a list like this.

I'm not sure they could justify two YYYs tracks in their top 20, though.

i don't think zero is a top 20 track of the last ten years, but it didn't make the list at all iirc.

This year's big chart hit was "Boom Boom Pow", wasn't it? Doesn't seem like the kind of song that would go over well with the Pitchfork/ILM crowd.

I think I held out stanning on that song longer than almost everyone else on the pop rnb threads, and even I wouldn't put it near a top 40, maybe not even for 2k9

LOVE STORY BITCHES

"Boom Boom Pow" is this year's "Low"

I went for "One More Time" but "Digital Love" is the best. Both really nostalgic for me and awesome.

^^yes, two of the best songs of the decade...

I fuck with "Boom Boom Pow" but it's not going to be on a p4k list

Off-topic: Is that OutKast song Rev posted familiar to anyone else? I'm a pretty huge fan and I had no idea it existed.

I went for "One More Time" but "Digital Love" is the best. Both really nostalgic for me and awesome.

― gman59, Friday, August 21, 2009 10:29 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^^ this. "Digital Love" should have been the true #01 on this list imho. Heck, it's the #01 of the decade to come! "Digital Love" is nostalgic and awesome and the future still

Off-topic: Is that OutKast song Rev posted familiar to anyone else? I'm a pretty huge fan and I had no idea it existed.

― & they talked about "fucking a behive", literally, 4 times (Whitey on the Moon)

I'd never heard of it either! Thanks for pointing it out Rev. Don't think it "builds" on the "B.O.B." template or concept the way "Ghetto Musick"does, but it's a really nice track. Pleasant surprise.

the apocryphal story i heard when "anniemal" came out was that her husband had died in a freak accident and AS A RESULT that song was a BUMMER PAEAN to him and WHETHER OR NOT that is actually true i cry up EVERY TIME i heard it so i voted for that. sorry if somebody covered this but the top half of this thread just parsed like a bunch of horny cats swatting at each others ears so i bonked to the bottom and did what i wanted

Voted for "All My Friends."

voting "The Rat," "One More Time," "All My Friends" or "Crazy."

OK, it was requested that those of us who haven't heard these songs listen and post real-time responses. I don't have time to do a lot of these but I thought I'd do a few, selecting ones that I think I've actually probably heard and don't know.

"Crazy": no recognition on the chorus, but here comes the verse, and yeah, I've heard this. The song's fine but -- there's not much to it, is there? Just kind of bops along on its minimal beat with some words that sound as if they were made up as the song was playing. AND YET I'm a true believer that really popular songs are popular because of intrinsic qualities that some people see and some can't. Now reading what Pitchfork says. "it remains a joy to hear the way Green seizes the moment, his spirited vocal managing to sound both exuberant and wistful, and it quickly becomes clear that other artists might spend a career in the studio and never capture a similar moment of such casual magic." To be honest this describes very well how I feel about "Because I Got High," by Afroman.

is that a good thing or a bad thing?

"Get Ur Freak On" -- pretty sure I haven't heard this. Like "Crazy", a song without very much in it. All the keyboards in this sound very much like the presets on the Yamaha DX-21 I got for my bar mitzvah in 1984. OK, this plinky distorted piano thing near the end is the first thing I'm really excited about in this song. The end reminds me of video game music.

I have no problem with this song but I'll admit I'm kind of amazed it was a giant hit. Per Pitchfork: "an audaciously leftfield stroke of genius, a song that succeeded wildly in its goal to push futurism, global style, and flat-out hyper-manic absurdity to equally lofty heights." Surely this isn't really manic, let alone hyper-manic. She yells "Holla" like somebody sent her a memo asking her to do so.

The little tabla tune is still in my head 5 minutes after end of song, though, which speaks in its favor.

may i ask what you mean by "not very much in it"? do you mean it's sparse, or it's simple, or

"All My Friends." Like the off-rhythm piano open. Like the way the beat kind of quietly opens the door and slides into the room. Thinking about
"Where the Streets Have No Name." Thinking about New Order. Don't like "the way it does in bad films" or "set the controls for the heart of the sun," too arch. Five minutes in, the ongoing piano is still the best thing about this song. I kept wanting this to open up and get big a la Arcade Fire but then when it did it didn't satisfy. Still, a good song. I'll bet I'd like hearing them play it. Pitchfork: "Instead of building off a drum beat, the core of the song is a jumbled piano loop that sounds discordant and uncomfortable until it's surrounded by a steadily growing army of percussion and the happiest guitar riff Murphy's ever allowed. By the end, the piano has become euphoric and confident without changing a lick..." Yes, this is about right. Pitchfork also claims the song as a kind of daring entree of indie rock into danciness; but surely you would be no more moved to dance by this than by "Tunnels," and would dance, if and when you did, in the same style.

may i ask what you mean by "not very much in it"? Nothing complicated, just, as you say, not a lot of notes, not a lot of beats, not very much sound. No value judgment implied. Things I really like that I'd say this about: most Beat Happening songs, Annie's "Chewing Gum."

Oh yeah, also definitely had not heard "All My Friends."

Ha, I totally mixed up "Neighborhood #1" and "Neighborhood #3" (which got more radio play in Canada, I thought?). OK, "Tunnels" is good. Voted "Idioteque" though cause it's grate. Also, treasonous spelling of "neighbourhood".

(I like "Power Out" OK, to be clear.)

I've noticed that PF's top songs have this old school 1970s AM v.s. FM radio division in terms of tone. You've got your Pop with a capital "P" good time songs (the RnB and Pop megasellers)which are like modern AM hits, and then they list these really heavy non-pop songs that are typically epic in scope and have Something Important to say.

Heck, let's go right to #1, "B.O.B."

Definitely have never heard this song.

Like everything about this -- the way the drums and the vocals both sound like the the sound is trying to come out faster than hands and mouth can MAKE it come out. Lots of exciting sounds in this one, and the weird drop into the fuzzy coda somehow sounds natural. The best of the four I just listened to, though I don't think I'd put it above "Hey Ya."

It definitely says something about this decade in indie/alternative music that out of the top 20 songs, only 3 are by guitar bands playing guitars. YYYs, Arcade Fire and The Rat.

There's sort of a knee-jerk "that's fucked up" reaction, but the sad part is, there really weren't all that many great guitar songs in the last ten years.

Where they really shit the bed was on the old dudes. Even besides Dylan, it's been a great great decade for people who started recording before 1975. Here are ten mega super duper songs they were too busy dance punking around to notice:

Wishing All These Old Things Were New: Merle Haggard
Fuss About Nothing: Ian Hunter
Long Walk Home: Bruce Springsteen
It's a Jungle Out There: Buddy Guy
Ordinary People: Neil Young
Porcelain Monkey: Warren Zevon
Time the Conqueror: Jackson Browne
Dance Like a Monkey: New York Dolls
Mike Post Theme: The Who
Spirit on The Water: Bob Dylan

am I right that this thread is basically a buncha guys who've never really had italian food vs. a buncha guys who've never really had mexican food

― the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Monday, August 3, 2009 12:42 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

OK, for completeness sake I just went through the whole helpfully checkboxed list here:

http://blog.masslive.com/linkfarm/2009/08/the_pitchfork_500_coolometer.html

and I count myself as knowing 42 of the 500 songs. And this is generous, because I'm counting songs that, when I checked, were on albums I own and have listened to a couple of times per iTunes. This actually kind of shook me.

What I learned from this exercise: I assumed I knew The Shins, "New Slang," because I've heard it mentioned so much, but nope -- completely new to me. Also very dull. On the other hand, apparently I really like Modest Mouse despite not owning any of their records. Both the songs on Pitchfork's list turned out to be in the "great song that I've heard and liked but didn't know who it was." So I should have been listening to Modest Mouse I guess.

I guess what I'm doing here is more or less endorsing the Pitchfork list as actually being very useful for a certain kind of listener, i.e. the kind who WOULD LIKE most of what's on this list, but hasn't actually ever heard it, i.e. me.

Oh, and somehow despite not listening to top 40 ever I know all the Eminem songs and none of the others. WHY?????

206/500

Thankfully not so high enough that'd I feel embarrassed, but most of my knowledge came from the top 100. It's weird when you look at it with just text because when I read it on their site there were countless songs and bands that made me silently nod my head in a "oh yeah I remember that album, but not the song" or "I hated this band but no doubt heard this before" gesture. Seeing it via text I realize there are entire sections, especially near the top, where I didn't recognize any of the songs (not that that's a bad thing, tons of stuff on this list that I wouldn't want to hear).

208/500

I'm not bored enough to figure this out but don't want to be dismissive about it in case i am later

^smart move

330

haha whiney otm

kornrulez: shouldn't HOJL count as guitar band playing guitars? (i'd be more inclined to say that something like "olio" falls into your "idioteque" guitar band w/o guitars space)

The Walkmen is the most solid artist on that list.

Pitchfork makes me want to murder someone... I'm just happy that they didn't put any Ben Gibbard train wrecks in the top 20.

Daft Punk - One More Time
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
The Knife - Heartbeats
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
Outkast - B.O.B.

these are the best.

M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends

these are the worst.

and comments pertaining to thread discussion:
Sound of Silver fucking sucks.
the National suck and the Walkmen are better but not that memorable.
MIA fucking sucks.
if you haven't heard pretty much all of these songs and you're reading this board you are weird.

p.s. if you dissed the Knife i hate you.

^^^seems largely OTM tbh, especially regarding the worst songs

This Walkmen track is just completely unremarkable. And looking at the top 50, I'm minded of all the amazing music just completely ignored in favour of trite rubbish. God this list is worse than even I'd feared.

I love 13 of the songs in the top 20. That seems not-so-bad in the context of most other best-of-anything lists.

Good but not brilliant:

Annie - Heartbeat
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
Outkast - B.O.B.
Outkast - Hey Ya!

Absolute classics:

Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
Daft Punk - One More Time
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
The Knife - Heartbeats

Haven't heard the rest.

It's really hard to choose between those four, but based on dancefloor memories alone I think it has to be "One More Time".

311/500. Couldn't resist that site with the checkbox calculator.

I only got 73/500.

182/500

While doing this I noticed Joy Zipper aren't even on the list, I'm surprised by that.

I manned up and googled up the songs I hadn't heard these before voting and was pretty disappointed with the lot.

Dudes, if you haven't heard Hercules and Love Affair, it's actually Antony and the Johnsons - fair warning.

The only shit on here that I hadn't already heard from top 40 Radio (or the Annie song, which I probably know from here) that was good was The Knife. It reminds me of an update of Army of Me, by Bjork, so maybe I'll put it on a mixtape for my little sister.

Voting Crazy in Love.

thanks for warning me about hercules and love affair

yeah that was a close shave huh?

by the way guys if you haven't heard Utah Saints, it's actually Kate Bush - fair warning.

by the way guys if you haven't heard Arcade Fire, it's actually John Cafferty and The Beaver Brown Band -- fair warning.

by the way guys if you haven't heard "Rapper's Delight", it's actually Chic - fair warning.

You guys...

You guys are actually counting songs? Go eat some breakfast instead.

I love threads like these. They're like ritualized replayings of things done here many times before. It's like a holiday dinner with the family, minus the food.

by the way guys if you havent read this thread its a ritualized replaying of things done here many times before - fair warning

what a disaster for surprises

^^^ next Radiohead single

Yeah. End of decades rock. Once every ten years ya really get to get yer geek on, as the kids say (ATKS).

kornrulez: shouldn't HOJL count as guitar band playing guitars?

Maybe. But to my ears that's a flatout disco song. I shoulda said 3/20 weren't dance/hip hop.

so wrt to pop music as in the thread waaaay the fuck yesterday: I try to keep up with what's on the charts, but doing this in Europe is a little disorienting. I was just reading over the latest French top 40 and was like, ok I know a few of these...wait, wtf is "Ayo Technology" still doing on here? Oh, wait, it's a cover...an acoustic cover, it turns out. So anyway, I voted for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE9IchvpOPk

ok just to cut off everyone who is like "HOW DID YOU DO THAT SONG CALCULATOR" it took like 3 minutes.

Well, I got 105 out of 500. I'm sure there are about 100 - 150 more I've heard, and might even be able to recognize when played. The 105 are the ones I can hear in my head when I read the titles. There are probably 100 on the list that I have no clue about whatsoever.

a conservative 273, with plenty I'm sure I've heard but have no recollection of. As a number that looks okay but since half of those I know are like Bright Eyes rarities, I'm a wee bit ashamed.

a bunch of horny cats swatting at each others ears

Can this please be the new description for ILM on the main ilxor.com page?

Voting R. Kelly-- I like a lot of the other songs here but that's the only one I still listen to regularly.

48% .. im embarrassed

Ha, Euler, that "Ayo Technology" cover was reviewed by the Singles Jukebox a few months ago, and I was the only person who liked it at all.

190/500, and that was after being generous with songs I've heard different versions of or have heard the album once or twice but wouldn't be able to pick the song out of a lineup. took off everything but the songs i actively like to some small degree and it was about half that.

195/500. Not bad, although my gaps in knowledge didn't seem organized so much as totally haphazard. Odd.

Re. the "Ayo Technology" cover: it's not bad! What is the Singles Jukebox?

i think i was like 188/500. a few of them were like "ok, i've played the album that's from three or four times, so i'd definitely recognize it if i heard it"

www.thesinglesjukebox.com

ok cool, thanks

what on earth is "not bad" about that ayo technology cover!!

haha, ok: this is very minor and contentious and possibly not an advantage based on your point of view, but he sounds more invested in the chorus than JT does; JT sounds like he just wants to cash in his check. I'd feel that way too; the chorus is dumb. The video is pretty funny too, for what that's worth.

boy it's godawful, thank god the US had the sense not to let that into the charts

It really is awful. I've come to the conclusion that all earnest acoustic covers of "urban" hits are just terrible. I once thought it may be a good idea to cover Sean Kingston's beautiful girls on acoustic guitar until i looked on youtube and saw all the douchenozzles that already had the same idea.

the problem i have with the idea doesn't lie so much in the earnestness; i think most of them boil down to "lol black people," which is the more troubling thing

If there were a Crazy Frog cover of "Ayo Technology" then I think it would be #1 on European charts forever.

Yeah earnest was a bad word choice. It's more like "acting like I'm singing earnest singer-songwriter lyrics while actually singing absurd raunchy ghetto lyrics"

You could read the decision to cover it as a recognition that the song is great, rather than some kind of "lol raunchy". I have no idea if that's what's going on here.

flashing back to college-days earnest acoustic cover of "Cop Killer"

indeed, bad idea in retrospect

To switch gears here and voice a sure-to-be-unpopular opinion, All my friends is waaay better than Losing my edge. As a guy who loves most of the 1st album, 45:33, and most of Sound of silver, I've never understood the huge fuss over LME. Well I understand it, but it just seems to be appealing as a hipster/music geek in-joke than as an actual song. All my friends, along with being more interesting musically, has affecting lyrics about aging in "the scene," and LME tries to do the same thing, but it boils down to JM just naming off a list of hip bands over a track that's nothing special. Pitchfork and ILXors think it's so incredible because they get all the jokes, but it really means nothing to 99% of people.

But I wasn't liveblogging about it the day it leaked. Maybe I just had to be there, man

"Yeah" is better than both of them though

Losing My Edge reminds me of King Missile.

Not much of a "Losing My Edge" fan either.

"Yeah" is the best thing that dude ever did. i doubt he could top it. no great shame though, most people don't even have a "yeah" in them.

Now in poll form

Enough with the fucking quibbling about LCD SOUNDSYSTEM'S placement on the P2K list, OK? Fuck.

To switch gears here and voice a sure-to-be-unpopular opinion, All my friends is waaay better than Losing my edge. As a guy who loves most of the 1st album, 45:33, and most of Sound of silver, I've never understood the huge fuss over LME. Well I understand it, but it just seems to be appealing as a hipster/music geek in-joke than as an actual song. All my friends, along with being more interesting musically, has affecting lyrics about aging in "the scene," and LME tries to do the same thing, but it boils down to JM just naming off a list of hip bands over a track that's nothing special. Pitchfork and ILXors think it's so incredible because they get all the jokes, but it really means nothing to 99% of people.

But I wasn't liveblogging about it the day it leaked. Maybe I just had to be there, man

― & they talked about "fucking a behive", literally, 4 times (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^ One of the most sensible things I've read regarding "Losing My Edge."

eh, he's not expecting to make a #1 record here, he knows his audience

This thread got me listening to those LC Soundsystem songs, and...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIk4oFkorbc

Really?! This supposed to be one of the top 20 songs of the decade?! It's like a standard ILM thread accompanied a generic indie electro beat. What's so great about it? Why would anyone think a wheels-within-wheels meta music hipster self-analysis would make a good song?

I didn't think "Yeah" was mindblowing or anything, but it was still 100 times better than this. At least it had some energy to it.

Thing is Whitey, I completely agree with your critique, but still prefer it to "All My Friends"

Tuomas OTM.

The only LCD song I like more than "Edge" is "Get Innocuous!" Plainly I like anything he does w/that beat.

Tuomas OTM.

― Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway)

My favourite is Tired

Plainly I like anything he does w/that beat

IAWTC. For me, the in-joke lyrics of "Losing My Edge" are just a bonus prize. The groove is plain nasty, though, and murders "All My Friends" without remorse.

Also, watch the tapes, disco infiltrator

bored, so:

JOHN BLAZE:
Outkast - B.O.B.
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
Outkast - Hey Ya!
Daft Punk - One More Time
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On

DOPE IMO:
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
M.I.A. - Paper Planes
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
Annie - Heartbeat
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends

AIGHT:
Radiohead - Idioteque
The Knife - Heartbeats
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps

NEGRO PLEASE:
The Walkmen - The Rat
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)
Animal Collective - My Girls

I heard "Losing My Edge" for the first time maybe a couple months ago. I spent the last 6 years watching so many people on this board reference and praise it endlessly and kind of assuming it was crap, but I didn't think it would be that bad.

Maybe if you hear it when it's a new song in 2002 with no expectations it sounds better. I've always liked it just fine, but it's overrated as shit in certain circles.

The beat in "Losing My Edge" is great, but the lyrics have gotten tiresome for me. The extended synth freak-out in "Yeah", on the other hand, is so great that it completely takes you out of yourself.

"My love for you will never waver."

Animal Collective - My Girls
Outkast - B.O.B.
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)

"I loved you, but I need my space. You're smothering me"

Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
Outkast - Hey Ya!
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends

"There are so many other women like her that I like so much more."

Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps
Radiohead - Idioteque
Daft Punk - One More Time
Jay-Z - 99 Problems

"I'm not sure what others see in her."

Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
Annie - Heartbeat
The Knife - Heartbeats

"Who invited her?"

Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
The Walkmen - The Rat

As it turns out, I own 356 of these songs -- which doesn't necessarily mean I "know" all of them.

(Fwiw, most of the ones I don't own are in the bottom half of the chart. I own 97 of the top 100 and 189 of the top 200.)

lol@there being "many other" songs like Idioteque

Can't believe so many people are down on Losing My Edge. First, the beat is fantastic. Second, the lyric functions both as brilliantly precise satire on the hipster mindset and weirdly poignant meditation on ageing - he's desperately brandishing all these "I was there" moments as some kind of ineffectual shield against the sharper, younger, hipper people coming through. As a sustained piece of comedy, with every reference just so, it's astonishing (didn't Murphy turn down a writing gig on Seinfield in the early 90s?) - that it also has a desperate undertow and a beat you can dance to makes it majestic in imo. I see All My Friends as like a bookend to it - that same ageing hipster suddenly realising that instead of worrying about the new breed and trying to score irrelevant points he should just reconnect with his old friends and accept the passing of time. I can see why people think Edge is just an ILX thread set to music but that's no bad thing - like Neil Tennant and Bob Stanley, Murphy is a musician with the mindset of a critic so his dialogue with the past, and the anxiety of influence, is fascinating to me.

I guess I'm also a sucker for songs which speak to their era. I love most of the songs in the top 100 but being crazy in love or getting ur freak on are fairly timeless sentiments - Edge is one of the only songs that says something about the decade. I like the voice he sings it in as well - like North American Scum and Daft Punk Is Playing At My House, it shows how good he is at singing in character.

I guess B.O.B. says something about this decade too, less in the lyrics themselves and more in how the rapid-fire lyrics operate like Tweets (micro-blog posts).

Holy shit, that is pushing it.

You're right. I retract my comment.

hold on, i'm not done clowning you yet

@bigboi OMG! Got a son on the way by the name of Bamboo!!!

LOL. That's topical, you must admit.

@dre3k Don't even bang unless you plan 2 hit something! RT
@bigboi Don't pull the thang out, unless you plan 2 bang

Ok, I'm done.

Wait, don't leave!

I'm still here!

Pitchfork: "We hear André 3000 and Big Boi fire off a synapse-bursting stream of ripped-from-the-headlines buzzwords ("Cure for cancer/ Cure for AIDS"), personal anecdotes ("Got a son on the way by the name of Bamboo") and product placements ("Yo quiero Taco Bell") that read like the world's first Twitter feed."

Ahhhhh . . . vindication.

Still, in retrospect, it's a pretty nonsense point.

lol I thought you were poking fun at the p4k blurb

yeah, i was hoping that

@bigboi OMG! Got a son on the way by the name of Bamboo!!!

― stop looking at me, zwan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:54 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

big boi would be saying that @dre3k tbf

ilm needs to use tbp (to be pedantic)

recognizing which verses is whose isnt pedantic tbp

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

I never saw this poll.
It's really hard for me to wrap my head around most upbeat indie bands... I always find something I hate about them. But The Walkmen - The Rat hasn't failed me yet (add 1 vote for it). If I tried to make an upbeat indie mix I could probably only come up with 10 songs that I was find sufficient enough to hear over and over again.

in the past it has been songs like
Sleater-Kinney - Get Up
Placebo - Special K
Nada Surf - Hi-Speed Soul (is this even upbeat enough to be classified with upbeat indie?)
...
I go pretty much braindead after naming 4 songs. Finding upbeat indie that I wouldn't mind hearing over and over... is my musical weakeness.

http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/7655shocker-posters.jpg

every track getting some love feels like a first for a poll with 20 options

hi speed soul is pretty upbeat yeah

is this gonna be a preview of the ilm list?

i like these results.

same here