― jayque, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sophie #1 Phan, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Johan, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
There is a compilation called “Time: Space” that came out on Transmat that has that kind of feel. It really holds together well as an album, not just a bunch of odd tracks put together.
Carl Craig’s “Landcruising” is another good listen, if you liked “More Songs”. It is a more raw record production wise, but has some really fine music and a couple of surprises.
Kenny Larkin’s two albums are pretty good, but not better than “More Songs…” and not near as varied in sound.
Black Dog’s “Spanners” also has that kind of eclectic sound, perhaps not quite as funky. It is another album that you would probably enjoy.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
There simply is no other record like More Songs About Food and Revolutionary Art. Certainly lots of records have been influenced by it (some are great in their own right, too -- like Aardvarck's Find the Cow).
One of my Craig-related favorites is "Low Berth," a co-production with Sherard Ingram on the Urban Tribe LP. It has made me cry more than once.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lee G, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― jayque, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
the climax = dancefloor or home record? does it succeed either way? ditto programmed, just what is it really? note this isn't me being flummoxed by kerayzee boundary-busting it just feels like he fudges everything he chances his arm at. he tries for a bit and then...shrug
― Bob Zemko, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― del a robbo, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
A track for me that seems to work equally as well in both situations. Derrick May gave it a floggin in his most recent visit to my antipodean city.... using the eerie melody motif consistently throughout his five-hour set. wild.
― jayque, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Omar, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
I also like Jam The Box.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 February 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 February 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)
If you like Jam the Box you should track down the other 69 stuff, all of which is actually better than Jam the Box I think. He used that pseudonym to do his rawest stuff, there's some great hip-hop/proto-jungle breakbeat stuff overlaid with atonal noise type effects. Wish he'd done more of that.
― Ben Williams, Friday, 21 February 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 21 February 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)
That record for me summed up a era of beautiful emotional techno music
― blue, Saturday, 22 February 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― tylero, Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 23 February 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)
also, what about the detroit experiment, any good?
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)
You'd hate the Detroit Experiment LP, Ronan. It's a very Gilles Peterson record (occasionally in the worst way possible). Beyond Midnight at the Twenty Grand, there's not much there that I find myself going back to.
― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)
I mean since I've just been listening to Amp Fiddler! With broadband I can take more risks.
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)
Tres Demented, yeah -- "Demented Drums." Berserk percussion freak-out with divebomb FX and Craig screaming his ass off. Love it.
― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)
at les, microlovr, rushed, dominas, stam, throw the list is almost endless.
microlovr one of the most beautiful tracks ever.
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 March 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)
microlovr, god yes
― prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 21 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 21 March 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
actually bits of it are alright. the world didn't need another version of people make the world go round though...
― mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)
Landcruising is cool, but kinda cheezy, science fiction is the best track off that.
Great artist with the occasional dodgy moment.
― hector (hector), Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― bugged out, Sunday, 21 March 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 21 March 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― hector (hector), Sunday, 21 March 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I did not care for Landcruising myself, I felt the production was kind of boring and that the tracks just dragged on way too long. If he would have just introduced more musical ideas and sounds onto those basic tracks it would have been great, but instead is just kind of noodles along and never, ironically enough, never drives forward.
That being said, I honestly believe that the Psyche/BFC comp is one of the single greatest electronic music albums of all time. And also, you absolutely cannot fuck with Televised Green Smoke.
― The Rebukes of Hazard (mjt), Sunday, 21 March 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Ahh. Probably my favorite Carl Craig track. In a tie with "At Les". Gorgeous.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Rebukes: "tres Demented" notwithstanding, it seems that CC's been lured into the black hole of awful Gilles Peterson-y, Straight No Chaser "jazzy" /Jazzanova-y I Wanna Be Brazilian pap based on some of his most recent stuff. I hope he has a sitdown with his machines real soon and goes back to what he does best: making outstanding machine music.
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 21 March 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 21 March 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Nah, thats the thing about him, he has always done it all. He has done some incredible remixes of late - Angola (as ronan said - immense!) beanfield, Throbbing Gristle, Directions, as well as Tres Demented, of course - you caouldnt call that Noodley!
― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 March 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 March 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 22 March 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)
I don't know what he's like these days, but I started to see a pattern emerging.
― Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Monday, 22 March 2004 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)
As for his records, if it has his name on it I’ll probably buy it unheard. I have yet to regret picking up a C. Craig track (although Domina, At Les, The Climax, Chicken Noodle Soup, Neurotic Behavior, Suspiria and 4 My Peepz are all standouts for me).
Definite classic.
― mmmmsalt (Graeme), Monday, 22 March 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 14 July 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago)
― tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago)
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― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)
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― micarl (micarl), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)
― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)
― lf (lfam), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)
got me thinking that maybe this is really all that he does (and i'm not saying this is bad). out of all those detroit peeps, he is the least "innovative", his influences are immediately noticeable in his trax. i would say that he tweaks ideas rather than constructs them.
and i think the reason people are so meh when they've finally heard these recent flurry of remixes is because all craig does is take the original and streamline it so it works better on the dancefloor.
i s'pose the fact that he makes trax "work" means he is definitely a house and not a techno producer.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago)
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)
Wait, so you can't hear Kraftwerk/Parliament in Juan Atkins? Or Ron Hardy/Kraftwerk/Larry Heard in Derrick May? Disco in Kevin Saunderson?
First and foremost a techno producer. Before the last 2 (3) years of remixes he crafted a bunch of great techno albums. But you probably know this already.
― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago)
what i mean is carl craig (and maybe i do mean recent carl craig, but there are plenty of exceptions to prove that i don't) is the most derivative (again, not a bad thing) and that is why he seems like a house producer.
house, like jungle, is amalgam music, it harks back, it has roots. techno is purer, more futuristic, which is why initially it was also more political, more revolutionary.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago)
I don't think either idea holds, especially pre-1990. To my ears, a lot of acid house and jack tracks are far more distant from their influences than anything coming out of Detroit at the time. Atkins is recognizably a development of electro - where is Phuture coming from? Similarly, I'd have trouble identifying any political message in techno that compares to that in 'Promised Land'.
Post-1990 is admittedly a more complicated situation. The second-wave of Detroit was on a pretty radical trajectory away from it's influences, whereas house in general was moving back towards them. I suppose you could argue that Techno also became more political, although I always found URs revolutionary posturing somewhat banal.
I wouldn't disagree that CC wears his influences on his sleeve, but I don't see how that identifies him as a house producer rather than a techno producer. If anything, the influences point him even more strongly towards techno - Jazz and Funk vs Disco, Gospel and Soul?
We really need Mike Taylor in this thread.
― jng (jng), Thursday, 22 June 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago)
this isn't true at all (anyway "people" [who?] aren't meh about them, i've seen dancefloors go crazy to them and i don't even go out that much!) the d&g and rhythm&sound remixes are totally radical ground up rebuilds that actually end up completely different entities to the original tracks. he does so much more in these remixes than "take the original and streamline it so it works better on the dancefloor" but if that WAS all he did then what the hell is wrong with it?
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
― jng (jng), Thursday, 22 June 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
xpost to myself
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
the meh-ness referred to the general (web-specific) backlash to cc hype. carl craig is and always has been godhead to me.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Thursday, 22 June 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago)
i hadn't noticed a backlash, thankfully.
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 June 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 23 June 2006 01:30 (eighteen years ago)
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:49 (eighteen years ago)
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 23 June 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago)
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 23 June 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago)
jng you are just playing the reactionary "whoa, the real black ghetto acid house is WAY more BUGGED OUT and OUT THERE than european detroit techno" trendy revisionism game.
let's look at the facts, ok?
phuture - "acid tracks" - 1988rhythim is rhythim - "nude photo" - 1987reese & santonio - "the sound" - 1987adonis - "no way back" - 1986mr fingers - "washing machine" - 1986model 500 - "no ufos" - 1985???
there simply *isn't* a whole lot of electronics-heavy machine music between the last gasp of electro (when it turned into uptempo proto-bass - world class wreckin cru?) and 1988 when acid house blew up.
the striking thing when you look at comps from this era is how many chicago producers were putting out very samey and formulaic "love can't turn around" or "jack your body" tributes (plaintive vocal + 4/4) ... then in '88 you had the acid house explosion ... two years later maurice joshua and laurent x and are STILL pumping out "acid tracks" style bangers, detroit has moved on to classic-era transmat and early carl craig productions.
in other words, your chronology is fairly screwed up ... atkins' early work (electro-derivative, whatever) predates your acid-house golden era by 3-5 years. there's a small body of electronics-heavy music that would fit with today's current sounds / conception of techno, which is pretty much on equal footing between detroit/chicago. THEN there's the big post-88 acid boom, but this is more or less tweaks on an existing fingers / reese / adonis / atkins sound ... and big ups to dj pierre for the synth tweak of the decade, but two years later while chicago is JUST drawing the acid-house/hip-house well dry we're well into the "second wave"
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 23 June 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago)
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 23 June 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago)
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 23 June 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago)
I actually agree with this (minus the straw man bashing). I was thinking of Adonis and "Washing Machine" more than Phuture when I wrote my post above, although clearly I failed to express that. I'm probably also guilty of overstating the case in reaction to Nebbesh's "House = derivative" declaration, which still strikes me as ridiculous. I blame writing late at night post-beer.
I do however stand by my ideas about Atkins. The stylistic leap between Cybotron in 1981-84 and "No UFOs" in 1985 isn't really that great. You could even argue that he was still producing Electro tracks at that point - cf "Future".
― jng (jng), Friday, 23 June 2006 07:48 (eighteen years ago)
in my mind it's almost like connecting the dots between nile rodgers work w/ diana ross (those crazy hi-hats in "upside down"!! the birth of the neptunes/minimal/2step microfunk drum swing thing!!) and the sound palette of newcleus and egyptian lover and the early early kickdrum chicago thing ... yeah, it's a specfic synthesis but it's still a HUGE accomplishment and SO I HEAR very influential on the wave of trackier chicago house circa "no way back" ... i don't know, maybe someone else can speak more clearly on atkins than i can ...
i am also really curious as to how he got from something like "time, space, transmat" to "ocean to ocean".
― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Friday, 23 June 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)
tell me about it! i have almost no recollection of writing my previous post.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago)
my machines - OOIOOrushed - daft punk remixneurotic behavior - sunroofa wonderful life - sonic boomscience fiction - the emperor machinehome entertainment - gottsching + schulzeplease stand by - moebius + plank + neumeierpoor people must eat remix - eno + byrnefalling up remix - lcd soundsystemrevelee remix - vooredoms remix
― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 12 November 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 12 November 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago)
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― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)
love love love all of his remixes from 06 to 07. i will list my favorites here for the uninitiated:
carl craig - poor people must work (see me yah remixes) siobhan donaghy - don't give it up (carl craig dub remix) junior boys - like a child (carl craig remix) brazillian girls - last call (carl craig remix) faze action - in the trees (c2 remix)
― The Macallan 18 Year, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago)
I picked up the Designer Music Problemz repress last week. sick sick sick!
― Display Name, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 02:54 (seventeen years ago)
The Designer Music "Good Girlz" repress is madness as well. I also got the Paris Live 12" today, and while I really wish he'd just release more new stuff, I'm really like this new one. I think it sounds like what I wanted the Innerzone Orchestra album to sound more like. It's definitely jazzy (it's got live saxaphone and clarinet) but retains its Carl Craig Techno feel. Oh and it's got Mad Mike on keys. Just lovely.
― matt2, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago)
review of craig's most recent demon days party, penned by a fellow ilxor (who is free to name him or herself if they choose):
http://www.bigshotmag.com/news/?p=393
― lfam, Friday, 29 June 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago)
dud
― ☪, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago)
allah ackbar
― lfam, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:35 (seventeen years ago)
allahu, please.
I adore good kills and fades, and believe that long stretches without explicit beats are some of what help build the mountains that techno tracks can become in a club setting.
i disagree. i never understood the purpose of killing the bass for more than two seconds, and its become fashionable among mnml djs to kill it for MINUTES at a time. which caters only to those morons who go the club to get fucked up, stand around on the dancefloor, go 'wooooooooo' and wave their hands above their heads
― ☪, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago)
ie trancers lol
― ☪, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago)
I've never seen him live, but just going by his music I have to say sooo classic. I almost always love his remixes.
The Macallan 18 Year covered most of what I've loved lately.
His remix of Theo Parrish's Falling Up is also pretty great.
I really like is fabric set, too, I've heard people complain about the way he hollers over the music sometimes, but I love it, adds character or something.
― later arpeggiator, Saturday, 30 June 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago)
xpost
2 second breaks are too short. I need at least 3 seconds to catch my breath.
― The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 30 June 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago)
i think a lot of good techno works just as well without the percussion
― lfam, Saturday, 30 June 2007 00:16 (seventeen years ago)
DJ Rush routinely kills the kick drum for x minutes only to bring it back in when you least expect it. Everybody loses their shit.
― blunt, Saturday, 30 June 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago)
that's fine for you to disagree, but i think YOU'RE the moron who can't stand a minute without an explicit beat pounding into your skull. that is more my experience in US clubs, and it gets fucking old when somebody is bang-bang-banging for three hours straight without a reprieve from bass.
also, KILLING THE BASS DOES NOT MEAN KILLING THE BEAT. if you think that, then eh, yr loss.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago)
I don't know, I think Fez has a point. The last think we need in mnml is more music catered to druggies instead of dancing.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 30 June 2007 09:11 (seventeen years ago)
uh, i'd tend to agree, but the connection b/w killing the low end for more than a few seconds and dumbo druggies is not explained-- and no, "lol trance" is not an explanation. it seems to me that fez just doesn't like low-end kills, and thus clumps all who like them into the rather deplorable group of people who go to clubs to "get fucked up and wave their hands about like morons" or whatever.
this is bullshit, because there are tons of people who feel exactly like i do, who aren't druggies, and who dance till they can't stand at clubs. and sometimes *GASP* they EVEN DANCE TO TRACKS WITHOUT AN EXPLICIT BEAT!!! HORROR OF HORRORS!!!!!!
i mean really, if you need an explicit beat to dance, then maybe you shouldn't be dancing.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 30 June 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago)
Killing the bass is classic.
― jim, Saturday, 30 June 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago)
This seems like a non-starter of an argument.
The whole point of beatless sections is that they hype people up for when the beat starts again, effectively re-energising the dancers. Nowhere is this function more brutally executed than in drum & bass - I actually think in minimal it's relatively less apparent.
― Tim F, Saturday, 30 June 2007 14:58 (seventeen years ago)
The whole point of beatless sections is that they hype people up for when the beat starts again, effectively re-energising the dancers
thank you, tim.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 30 June 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago)
Uh yeah, PEAKS AND TROUGHS people. I thought that was the whole point in the first place? Jesus.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 30 June 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago)
isn't it just a personal preference? seems reasonable enough to not like a DJ dropping out the beat for minutes at a time...
― Ronan, Saturday, 30 June 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago)
sharks and jets
― lfam, Saturday, 30 June 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago)
he's OK
― henry s, Saturday, 30 June 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago)
it is a personal preference. thus, insulting those of us who like our peaks with troughs as "trance-headed druggies" is dumb.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 30 June 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure cutting the beat is the same as peaks and troughs though. That's more like big anthem track followed by mellow track.
One problem with having too many beatless moments is that the energy/enthusiasm they provide is quite temporary, you tire a lot faster after having been revved up, and I find that if I was already getting tired whatever track immediately follows ends up feeling physically disappointing. Unless it's early on in the evening (or you're on drugs I guess) your body can't maintain the momentum generated. As a dancefloor manoeuvre it's got a high GI rating.
What would have a low GI rating? Really deep, thick surround-sound tracks or tracks with really interestingly constructed, compulsive grooves, where there's not a single rev-up moment but you get so lost in the track that it sustains your energy levels. The archetypal low-GI trick that springs to my mind is swathing the track in dub feedback noise.
As I think minimal tends to take a low-GI approach more often than not (hence all those really long, subtly inflected tracks), the high-GI trick of cutting the beat doesn't seem like it would be a terribly effective trick relative to some other dance sub-genres. It's situational though I guess.
― Tim F, Sunday, 1 July 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago)
a high GI rating
Gastrointestinal?
Seriously though, what does this stand for? Apologies if I've overlooked something obvious...
― Telephone thing, Sunday, 1 July 2007 03:27 (seventeen years ago)
Glycaemic index. Cutting the beat and bringing it back in is like having a block of chocolate - it gives you a quick and intense burst of energy but it runs out quickly.
Actually what i'm saying is slightly wrong I think. On reflection the mellow/deeper drum & bass does this as much as the harder stuff. And some of that mellow/deep drum & bass shares quite a few sonic tendencies as minimal. So maybe it's more like: cutting out the beat on "deep" tracks makes them sound more urgent when the beat returns.
― Tim F, Sunday, 1 July 2007 07:27 (seventeen years ago)
I have nothing against adding in some beatless music or dropping the bass in a set, I think I'm just dreading the thought of some mnml DJ cutting the bass for minutes while playing a string of M_nus style records.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 1 July 2007 08:55 (seventeen years ago)
tim, yr right about the peaks & troughs vs. cutting the beats out thing....
and michael, i agree to some extent... i'm talking about cutting the bass a bit and bringing up the mids during peak moments to build more drama, a tactic that doesn't usually mean more than 2-3 minutes without bass. if someone cut out the bass and played m_nus style records, i'd be bored too.
an example: luciano mixing the new villalobos track into a heavy banger, cutting out the bass for thirty seconds and bringing up the mids and hi-ends so that all that can be heard is the crowd noises and singing in the villalobos track, and then suddenly bringing up well-padded bass. crowd goes nuts, people keep dancing the whole time, no problems. and this was BEFORE most people in the US had heard the villalobos track.
― the table is the table, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago)
Craig's set contained no such moments-- it was all "hit" minimal techno (with little to no trace of older detroit stylings) shoved together in a claustrophobic style more reminiscent of...say, the last time I saw Magda spin, which was great fun but without any palpable sense of curation or drama.
― the table is the table, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago)
AND it departed greatly from the previous times i'd seen Craig DJ.
and yes, i wrote that review. might as well fess up to it, since it's probably obvious by now anyway.
― the table is the table, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago)
the new CC rmx of siobhan donaghy is so good
― lex pretend, Sunday, 1 July 2007 15:40 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, i really love that track
― later arpeggiator, Sunday, 1 July 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago)
"I think I'm just dreading the thought of some mnml DJ cutting the bass for minutes while playing a string of M_nus style records"
yes, as it would be horizontal, hermetic, airless/vacuous. i like claustrophobic when there's an escape hatch or i like when there is big conflict between drama and anti-drama. craig is really good at both of those things. i walked out of his last gig though.
― tricky, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago)
some mnml DJ cutting the bass for minutes while playing a string of M_nus style records.
-- Michael F Gill, Sunday, July 1, 2007 8:55 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link
i kinda love it when this happens, and then like ages later you realise that the bass has been back in for ages, but was it just coming in gradually again, or maybe it came back and i didnt notice, ok cards on table i like taking drugs and i think this kind of thing is great for that
― 696, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago)
but regardless of that i mean, it makes a weird kind of limbo tension which then gets elongated and then the wirde limbo tension is actually not a weird limbo tension at all but a different thing going on and actually i was waiting for the bass but now i forgot all about the bass and actually it sounds kinda bassy again so maybe it came back in and then like 30 minutes later a track with a big bass comes in and the roof blows off
― 696, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago)
^ not that carl craig ever does this, sadly
― 696, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago)
it can be great when you're not on drugs, too! i just find that the production on so many mnml records is already so tweaked that the eq tricks are already built-in most of the time.
― tricky, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago)
I like both really cheesy bass cuts and more "sophisticated" ones. By cheesy I mean the ones where it is all druggy hands in the air "oo the bass is gone, weeeeeee" and then a big theatrical gesture when bringing it back in, like Reinhard Voigt when I saw him at Nitsa, the coked up goon. By more sophisticated I mean the really clever ones where you don't even realise the bass is gone 'til it comes back in (Ricardo is good at this).
― jim, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago)
yea i like that, and it makes a weird tension i think, especially if it goes on for a long time, and you kind of dont realise why it feels tense becauswe you didnt notice it disappearing
― 696, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago)
Carl Craig!
― admrl, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 01:37 (seventeen years ago)
69's The Sound Of Music is underrated as a companion to SToDrE
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:07 (seventeen years ago)
I been going over all my carl since I finally picked up the album formerly known as and there's a lot of stuff like "Dominas" from MSAF&RA that I completely forgot how solid it is
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:08 (seventeen years ago)
Gotta give me some time to catch up. I'm starting with "Landcruising" here.
― lukas, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 02:37 (seventeen years ago)
c2 is the man. i find it almost impossible to not use one of his tracks in every mix i do.
― pipecock, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 00:16 (seventeen years ago)
OTM, pipecock. i played a houseparty maybe six months back, and i think the last hour and a half was a back-to-back of nothing but carl craig and radio slave (who i'd guess you'll rate as sub-c2, but i think you get my point even if you disagree on the specifics). c2 is the one and only.
― pshrbrn, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:15 (seventeen years ago)
the tony allen remix is so great!
― haitch, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago)
Recently, I've been very much enjoying the company of CC's Piano Mix off this one: http://www.discogs.com/release/4796. It's lovely.
― matt2, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago)
i played a houseparty maybe six months back, and i think the last hour and a half was a back-to-back of nothing but carl craig and radio slave
what is that, like 5 tracks?
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago)
"Recently, I've been very much enjoying the company of CC's Piano Mix off this one: http://www.discogs.com/release/4796. It's lovely.
-- matt2"
i picked that up in detroit earlier this year, it is indeed the shiznittlebam.
― pipecock, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago)
derrick gave me his copy of that in 94 after a torrid night of lovemaking. later i traded juan two commes des garcons shirts and a bottle of egoiste for the (superior) promo white label edit.
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago)
is eMusic good for finding his remixes and other non-CD stuff?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
xpost and jeff gave me a transparent vinyl of it at his art opening
― blunt, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago)
mine has "to tricky: you taught me how to mix" etched into it
― tricky, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago)
I don't see much props for Programmed here, but I really like it. One of the few examples where mixing electronic music with "proper" instruments actually. It's quite edgy, not the sort of smooth fusion stuff you'd expect. (Not that there's anything wrong with smooth fusion.) Plus it's wonderfully produced, all the instruments sound crisp and cool. I'd love to hear him produce more jazz albums.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago)
"actually works"
I only ever want to listen to about 3 tracks off Programmed anymore, and even then I usually skip to the middle because they take so long to build up
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
I've been meaning to get that Herbie Hancock album he co-produced, can anyone tell if it's good?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago)
"later i traded juan two commes des garcons shirts and a bottle of egoiste for the (superior) promo white label edit."
a+
― tricky, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago)
Driving up Livernois near Baker's the other day, I had to stop in the middle of the road to pick up a 12" that rolled out of a wig shop. The run-out groove says XRAY/LETSGO/C2EDIT (yes, done when C2 was a sophomore at Cooley).
― Andy K, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.myspace.com/tribedetroit
(New Tribe -- meaning ACTUAL Tribe, plus bonus white dude(s) -- produced by C2)
― Andy K, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago)
nice stuff, thanks for the tip.
you should post more often.
― Display Name, Thursday, 8 November 2007 00:53 (seventeen years ago)
nominated for a grammy!!
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago)
for his remix of "like a child" no less.
― tricky, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:46 (seventeen years ago)
revelee remix still the high point of western civilization
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:47 (seventeen years ago)
i prefer the delia and gavin remix of "revelee" because it is so freakin otherworldly, but yeah, craig's is up there, too, especially for its otherworldliness and also/moreso for the straight up techno it is. head in the clouds, feet on the ground. on the downbeat anyway! space is the bass! i am going to play it really loud right now.
― tricky, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:54 (seventeen years ago)
he's only up against some bullshit competition too, he might actually win this!
― haitch, Monday, 10 December 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago)
ts: "grammy winner carl craig" vs "oscar winners three-6 mafia"
― haitch, Monday, 10 December 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago)
man i forgot how great this 'revelee' remix is. it's like every period of carl craig in one remix.
― tricky, Monday, 10 December 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago)
still don't get why people rate it so highly over numerous mid 90s Craig trips inc. 69 stuff
― blueski, Monday, 10 December 2007 01:15 (seventeen years ago)
JAM THE BOX. WORK THE BOX.
― tricky, Monday, 10 December 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago)
when my emusic downloads refill I'm going to go ahead and grab every one of his remixes on there that I don't already have. is what you guys are talking about on there?
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 December 2007 02:44 (seventeen years ago)
I looked El Tomboto and actually there isn't very much CC stuff up on Emusic and basically none of the remixes folks are talking about. But I did find that they have this release that I had heard nothing about: http://www.discogs.com/release/1138498 (emusic link: http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Artists-Vexille-Soundtrack-MP3-Download/11073475.html)
The CC track "Future Love Theme" is 10:30 of goodness. How did I miss this (maybe because it's on a Japan-only soundtrack)? This isn't some old track I never knew about is it? It has the same feel of some of his more recent remixes so I'm thinking it's definitely new. There isn't really anything else on there that I'm interested in (an entire score composed by Oakenfold no thank you), but folks should definitely grab the CC track. Very nice.
― matt2, Monday, 10 December 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago)
I like the Underworld track off of that quite a lot, actually!
― El Tomboto, Monday, 10 December 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago)
hows his dee-lite remix?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 10 December 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago)
CARL CRAIG. where have you been all my life? More Songs About Food... is astounding. I've got DJ Kicks, The Album Formerly Known As..., and Sessions on deck. I envy me.
― poortheatre, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)
What Does The Workout sound like? I think it's lying around my local cd store used, and I've repeatedly heard it's excellent, but I don't know what to expect.
― mehlt, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:45 (seventeen years ago)
it sounds like a techno mix with most of the tracks carrying a pretty strong detroit and basic channel influence. if you've heard josh wink's "profound sounds" it's sort of like that.
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 8 June 2008 21:10 (seventeen years ago)
So what's the deal with his DJ set up these days? At Mutek he had what appeared to be cdj's, a laptop, a mixer, another mixer-like console (for effects?) and I think something else. I wasn't there for long, but it didn't sound like your typical one's and two's mix.
ps: THE CLIMAX
― Edward Saroyan, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 03:18 (sixteen years ago)
FACT can exclusively reveal that Planet E will release a vinyl box set later this year compiling Carl Craig's classic 12"s made under the name 69...
ere
― sam500, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 04:23 (sixteen years ago)
pronounced "six nine", who knew!
― juniper jazz (haitch), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 04:37 (sixteen years ago)
C2's DEMF set was bad.
― pipecock, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 05:12 (sixteen years ago)
― Tuomas, 7. marraskuuta 2007 23:19 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Turns out this is pretty good, though there's less Carl Craig involvement than what I thought. I wish these two would make a full collaborative album or something.
I haven't really followed Carl Craig's career in the 00s, has he done anything as great as he did in the 90s with Paperclip People? What 00s releases would you recommend if the Paperclip People stuff is by far my favourite work of his?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:42 (sixteen years ago)
i still think the reworked version of Landcruising is the best thing he's done this decade.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 13:19 (sixteen years ago)
^^^
As an album at any rate.
Tuomas if you love Paperclip People the most you might also like a lot of his anthemic remixes of the past 4 years or so. But it could go the other way too. They're very sleek.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 13:34 (sixteen years ago)
I really love the Ayumi Hamasaki and Junior Boys remixes he did but what else am I looking out for?
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 09:00 (sixteen years ago)
well, remixes-wise, you definitely want to hear "relevée", "in the trees" and "falling up". or just pick up this, which has all of the above on it
― zone 1 penguin (braveclub), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 09:11 (sixteen years ago)
Plus his remix of Siobhan Donaghy's "Don't Give Up". The remix of Beanfield's "Tides", also on the comp above, is amazing as well.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 09:34 (sixteen years ago)
*vomits dr pepper all over keyboard*
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 21:37 (sixteen years ago)
http://laboca.co.uk/blog/2009/06/etienne-jaumet-entropy-ep/
― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 22:07 (sixteen years ago)
His remix for UNKLE left me cold but I chalk that up to personal deficiency and not a mark against Thee Man
― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 4 June 2009 01:06 (sixteen years ago)
Errrrm, so does anyone know what set up he's using?
― formerly: mehlt, edward saroyan (EDB), Thursday, 4 June 2009 03:26 (sixteen years ago)
his remix for UNKLE you could easily blame on shitty source material
i vomited earlier because carl craig doesn't *need* herbie hancock, one listen to any of the mixes of "home entertainment" and you'll hear a dude who can write "nobu"-esque techno jazz bangers without help from the old guard
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 4 June 2009 03:36 (sixteen years ago)
all the new stripped down remixes got me back into his music. Lots of super basic, like MPC stuff. So simple and so good.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 4 June 2009 03:38 (sixteen years ago)
Well, of course he doesn't need Herbie, but I just thought a full collaboration between the two could be nice, since the couple of tracks they did together or Future 2 Future were pretty cool. As great as Craig is, I don't think he's a master jazz improviser, so Herbie could help in that department.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 4 June 2009 06:43 (sixteen years ago)
he is a master techno improviser though. i wish i had a soundboard copy of his mutek set. so controlled yet effortless working the shit out of loops and really responding to the crowd.
― banity 6 (tricky), Thursday, 4 June 2009 16:50 (sixteen years ago)
OTM
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 4 June 2009 16:55 (sixteen years ago)
looks like the album art for the 69 box was posted here six months ago.
― society for cutting up (tricky), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:51 (sixteen years ago)
I only need one of those 12"s, but damn that's a sexy box and CC deserves my money. Definitely plan on getting that.
― matt2, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 14:11 (sixteen years ago)
is that a box of 12s or a box of CD singles?
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 15:35 (sixteen years ago)
I'm assuming 12s since the sleeve art has As and Bs.
― matt2, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 15:58 (sixteen years ago)
none of those are previously unreleased right? in fact all of them have been pressed or repressed in the last 4 years or so if i'm not mistaken. kind of odd to throw them all in a box set now.
― pipecock, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 23:23 (sixteen years ago)
it'$ not that odd
― elan, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 23:26 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, not that odd at all.
i am using his remix of System 7's "Sirenes" on a mix right now. love that track.
that said, the man does have a truly spotty record in terms of DJ sets. i wrote this for a site back in 2007:Perhaps it was the season or the evening itself, but Carl Craig’s Demon Days party at Studio B in Greenpoint, Brooklyn last Saturday was poorly-attended. The last New York installment of Demon Days in January, also held at Studio B, was a jam-packed, sweaty synth throwdown inside the club, but a brittle and snowy evening out of doors—the disconnect made what was happening inside that much more of a fantastic experience. People were dripping in perspiration, losing themselves in nearly five hours of Carl Craig’s lush yet slamming sounds while the streets were still and almost without sound.The air was temperate this past Saturday, though, and roof parties as well as other shows seemed much more the night’s agenda. Too bad in some ways, but not too bad—Craig and his openers were not in top form.Opener Co-headliner Mirko, one half of Yugoslavia’s Switzerland’s Lazy Fat People, seemed like he was a bit overwhelmed at first; his mixing a bit unimaginative and without proper peaks and valleys. As much as I love Ricardo Villalobos, to play two of his most popular recent works seemed a bit without merit; in other words, DJs of the world, please stop playing the “Sinner in Me” remix; it’s over-played and appears a bit lazy to a crowd, at this point. Other than certain missteps here and there, though, Mirko was doing really well by the end, playing more banging takes on the Border Community style and getting the crowd frothed up for Carl Craig.Here is where things get complicated: Craig played his usual pulsing, elegantly swirling set of Detroit techno, but like Mirko, it seemed like he was a bit lazy with his mixes; there were few beatless moments of hand-raising synth heaven, and a bit too much bias towards summer hits like Audion’s “Noiser” and Craig’s own current remixes. I want to be careful to point out that this is not an entirely bad thing: the Faze Action “In the Trees” remix and Siobhan Donaghy “Don’t Give it Up” dub are slamming, hypnotic pieces of techno mastery. What was disappointing was that all of these great tracks were just shoved together and weren’t allowed any room to percolate, which was a bit strange given Craig’s propensity for a more expansive sonic palate in his sets.Craig’s set at the previous Demon Days was a cornucopia of sound, ranging from new minimal tracks to the most soulful diva house to pure moments of vocal bliss. On Saturday, however, it seemed like Craig was running on automatic. Sure, I’d rather dance to Carl Craig on automatic than a lot of DJs when they’re truly tearing it up, but it was hard not to notice the lackadaisical nature of Craig’s set.A really wonderful DJ set needs many different things, and I believe that one of those is variety. I can get down to non-stop banging techno as much as the next clubgoer, but I like some palpable drama and surprise as well. I adore good kills and fades, and believe that long stretches without explicit beats are some of what help build the mountains that techno tracks can become in a club setting. Additionally, I like hearing astounding tracks that I don’t know as much as those that I do know. While Craig and Mirko certainly brought some great beats with them to Studio B, their arrangement was a bit sleepy and unsubtle. Mirko’s work with Ripperton in Lazy Fat People is quality stuff, and I would jump at the chance to see Craig do a set again, but next time, I hope that he can make me sweat to a more flavorful sound.
― the table is the table, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 23:47 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/01/12/music-for-films-on-the-eve-of-his-live-blow-job-score-carl-craig-shares-his-favorite-soundtracks/
― max, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)
Carl Craig 6mix on iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zp3ml
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://uploaded.to/file/6zyoq8wi/01-carl_craig_-_6_mix-sat-03-27-2011-talion.mp3
also there for those who can't get that bbc link to work.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
psyche "crackdown" sounds like the intro to kajagoogoo's "too shy" (in a good way)
― resplendent quetzal spokil (clouds), Sunday, 18 November 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago)
For a guy like me, pretty much new to techno (some Kompakt and pre-techno stuff like Kraftwerk, Moroder, etc notwithstanding), "Sessions" is fucking mindblowing.
― Mule, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:17 (twelve years ago)
i'm also that guy, and it is totally mindblowing.
― Sneezy Jean (Matt P), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)
This is so very cool. Lucky us.
― Mule, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:28 (twelve years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/9274-carl-craig/
good article!
― the late great, Friday, 6 December 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago)
But when I was able to afford my first synthesizer—no one was ever given a synthesizer
^liked this detail
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Saturday, 7 December 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago)