Vote for the Best Album of the Decade (from rateyourmusic.com top 50)

it took me so long to type out the charts changed (i copied and pasted to notepad earlier and transferred it over just now) but it doesnt matter. just discuss then vote!

Mitch Hedburg, since he got snubbed by pitchfork.

I voted Hedburg too!

I haven't slept for ten days cause that would be too long.

some great and not so great in there. between qotsa , oceanic , jane doe or dopethrone i think. and about half a dozen others truth be told.

Jesus christ, and I thought the other lists today hated women.

there's women in some of those bands y'know.

and even then if theres hardly any women in the lists it doesnt mean people hate women.

Arcade Fire and Boris... did I miss any others?

OK, maybe you don't have to *hate* half of humanity to shun them, but sheesh. These lists are just... so imbalanced it's just screaming at me. Maybe the people don't hate female artists, but these lists sure show they don't rate them.

(Not just this one, the P4k one and the Uncut one as well - it's a sad day when Uncut of all fucking organisations has the highest female content - at 30% - of a top 10?)

wow, i thought i was reading p4k's list until i saw opeth at no. 5!

kate maybe women dont post lists on RYM. Or even just dont post lists.

Exactly my point.

1) So how on earth is this at all representative of "best album of the decade"

2) why the fuck don't men listen to female artists? it's not like women have the same weird moratorium on listening to male artists.

I know, I know, like bashing my head against a brick wall. Just registering my general frustration and discontent.

edit - why the fuck don't the kind of men that post stupid crap lists to some stupid crap list website for total aspies listen to female artists.

Before someone comes and shouts at me.

I just used the word "aspie" on ILM. I am going to to boil my head.

it deserves it for saying "aspie!"

btw i might be wrong and geir can correct me, but these lists change regularly due to voting i think , so there might be more female artists in the rest of the list.

isnt there a woman in unwound? was paz on that qotsa album? i forget. Natural Snow Buildings is 1 woman 1 guy.

Madvillain vs. Ligeti

some of the groups i dont know and i have no idea who is in them.

It's a top 1000 http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

this is basically Kid A vs Lateralus vs Leaves Turn Into You vs Geogaddi for me; voted Geogaddi as it's the one I play the most

There are a couple of female musicians on the Godspeed record I think, but yes, there are obviously a lot of great albums by female artists missing from this.

this list is terrible - I only like a handful of these albums and wouldn't call any of them BEST OF THE DECADE. calling Interpol the "Best of the Decade" seems ridiculous.

Bjork is at 73 at the moment according to that list

gillian welch and pj harvey are down at 114 and 115. I woulda had that gillian welch in my top 50 . not my fave pj harvey album though.

lotsa prog metal ,folk metal and death metal in rym lists. Bit strange seeing that amongst p4k approved stuff even if i dont care for prog metal folk metal or death metal. But those folk metal bands tend to have lots of female members. As do the goth metal bands.

Does it not just seem like glaring omissions to anyone else?

It's just odd.

And it's not like I have this weird exclusionary "I only listen to female artists" policy or something because to be honest, most of the groups I listen to the most are collaborations between female and male artists. (School of Seven Bells, Goldfrapp - I've been noticing these things since signing up for last.fm)

But I'll shut up about it, as I know that this way flamewars lie. Just disappointed. :-(

Also, on a different tack - for a "best of the naughties" that top 10 really is slanted towards 2000/2001.

Kate did you look through the top 1000?

With a top 50 like that, why would I bother?

the digger you deep the more gems you find you like?

theres loads of jeff style metal on RYM. Im surprised since isnt RYM the site Geir used to always use?

the correct link is

top 1000 albums of 2000s
http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2000s

the women artists are even further down in that one!!

haha look whats no1 in 2009 http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2009

wtf @ that Flaming Lips album cover

30 Unwound Leaves Turn Inside You (2001)

this is probably my favorite indie rock album of the decade and i was hoping it'd show up on pfork or other music mags lists

Here is the top 1000 of the 2000s as voted by UK Users

Here is the top 1000 of the 2000s as voted by US Users

Some differences there.

wait, the UK rates Tool more than the US does???

but the uk hates wilco

lol @ no 29 in the UK one

A disproportionate share of the music I like best is/was made by men, or primarily by men. Not all of it by any means, but a lot. Dunno why this is, but it seems absurd to view my taste as a direct expression of internalized sexism or anything like that. People listen to music for all sorts of reasons, but I imagine that "relating to it" figures way up there for most folks. And it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that a lot of men relate strongly to music made by men. Perhaps more so for guys who spend a lot of time on the internet making lists? I dunno...

Anyway, DOPE THRONE

here's the thing, Kate -- if you spend some time on RYM, you'll see that plenty of women are highly rated and well loved by the RYM community. so the question is this: why are so few current female artists represented in the very highest ranks of the list, while so many female artists are rated quite highly elsewhere?

I think the answer has a lot to do with controversy. people (i.e. aspie men on the internet) take female artists seriously enough to place them on a pedestal, pat themselves on the back and say "ya, we respect the wimmin," but not seriously enough to hotly debate their place in the canon, write frantic 5-star reviews about why x female artist is more groundbreaking than y female/male artist, et cetera. to take an artist seriously is to passionately stan for them with insincere 5-star reviews and to call all your internet friends to your side on message boards when someone dares to challenge their greatness. but female artists are kept apart from this fierce debate, and therefore they don't inspire quite enough fanboy fervor to trouble the upper ranks.

it's like sports: men's teams tend to inspire front-page news articles and foaming-at-the-mouth editorials, whereas women's teams end up in the Lifestyle section where they're interviewed politely about motherhood and cosmetics. cf. the load of angry 1-star reviews about Meriwether Post Pavilion and the relative lack of fierce jabs directed at, say, Aerial. women aren't outright hated: they're just protected from serious, two-sided discourse and serious, potentially reputation-solidifying controversy... and that can be just as troubling as outright hatred, sometimes.

Maybe that's generally true, but like, CocoRosie to thread.

there are always exceptions, yeah. but I'm mostly talking about the very very top echelon of artists in the RYM canon, and Cocorosie (and even Joanna Newsom, for that matter) don't really occupy that position. they're open to controversy, yeah, but they inevitably fail to come out on top, for reasons I don't totally understand.

if it's not true that the albums with the largest number of positive reviews are generally the ones with the largest number of negative reviews, then part of my argument falls flat, to be fair.

Yeah, I totally agree in a general sense (with yr xpost). Actually, the thing that surprises me more is that like Tori freaking Amos doesn't make the cut! Her fans are fucking crazy dedicated to her, and they seem exactly like the sort who'd spend time discussing and defending her on the internet (if you'll grant the wild assumption). Maybe not on RYM? Or maybe the votes are split on her recent stuff? I dunno.

tbqf i think a lot of men simply don't "get" female artists (maybe because they don't try), which leads to music collections with 99% male artists and cracks about lilith fair or whatever. maybe male listeners just aren't as empathetic in their listening? i dunno.

Something I've noticed about ratings sites (like IMDb, f'rinstance, where I've spent some time) is that they often skew heavily towards male users. IMDb helpfully includes demographic breakdowns of its ratings, and they're pretty illuminating. I've also noticed that dedicated horror and metal fans tend to be very vocal, social and active -- hell, they're often/usually the same group. Finally, a pronounced anti "girly shit" sentiment is more common on such sites than I'd like to think. Maybe specifically among the horror/metal demo, maybe just among (internet) dudes in general. I dunno. Anyway, I suspect it all combines to give us perfect storms like that RYM list.

rym only seems to break it down by country. Dunno if theres any less female artists on the uk or us lists than the general one.

but id bet that there's more males voting than females. So perhaps thats why theres such a difference in female acts. Perhaps we can also ask why dont more ladies vote in these things?

generally ladies seem to spend their time more wisely than we do

because they generally seem less interested in obsessing about lists and rankings and record store completism? there are no female artists on the list for the same reason that there are relatively few females on ilm. this is not some crazy new phenomenon.

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Why is ILM almost exclusively male?

well what im saying is that its not just guys who arent voting for female acts.

Yeah, but I think it's mostly guys, and the few women who do participate are probably the ones who feel more comfortable in a largely male-defined social culture.

nah, i think there are just some women who like some of the same things as guys and they'll be part of the scene regardless of the gender breakdown. i don't think comfort level necessarily comes into play.

Maybe that's a better way to say it. Happiness in vs. comfort in...

Do think that the social texture of ILX would be very different if it was mostly women, even if the point of focus was still music crit.

enjoyment of vs. comfort in. or whatever...

considering that list, the type of music that the rym crowd seems to like, the proggish/metal side of indie - I mean, it's not like there are tons of women making this type of music, and it's not like there are any bestofthedecade classics that they seem to be ignoring just because a female made it. bjork is on there, and that sorta makes sense.

if the rym list was nothing but pop albums and it was still 100% masculine, that'd be weird and suspicious. but that's not the case.

i do know some people who dont like female vocals in their rock/metal.

but their loss

i looked at this and did not think "wow, the ppl who hang at rateyourmusic must hate women!" i thought "oh, i guess rateyourmusic is big with metalheads"

there's not a single thing on this list that i love, some of it i like.

its not just a lack of female artists though, it's a lack of country,hip hop,pop,punk,reggae,various sub-genres of loads of genres (inc lots of metal).

It's a weirdly perfect encapsulation of the current equivalent of the semi-intellectual duderock that was popular with nerdy guys in my high school: sabbath and floyd + peter gabriel and talking heads + i dunno, like king crimson, zappa, kate bush, maiden, v.u., violent femmes, the clash, etc.

dig the difference if you will...

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=pop+&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

um, that's sorted by genre "pop", btw.

i was about to ask

call me a poptimist (gah!), if you must, but i do prefer this list.

at first i thought it might be your countries

(ie show us the greek overall best of 2000 list)

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include=both&origin_countries=Greece&limit=none&countries=

we dig our metal to the pedal!!!!!!

\mm/

why do so many stoner metal people post on rateyourmusic.com

I didn't expect my answer to be dopethrone but then again this list is kind of weird

fwiw I don't think dopethrone has any actual songs, it's just a great sounding recording of dudes on robitussin trying to play 50 foot instruments, plus I prefer the original mix with the out-of-control bass frequencies over the widely available remaster

make that 50 foot tall instruments, it's not like they're trying to play 50 pump organs at once

oh, but they are

hardly surprising that rotted christ feature so highly in the greek one

can somebody, anybody, make a best-of-the-00s list that doesn't smell of ass?

I find it hard to believe the decade was that dire

Geir to thread! ;)

uncut have a best of the decade list issue out i think

and im sure the Q one when it comes will blow your mind with its awfulness

i do know some people who dont like female vocals in their rock/metal.

Those ppl need to hear Madder Mortem.

Out of those, "Yoshimi".
But the proper, de-RYM-bias-ized, version of their 2000s list looks like this:
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

No this:
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz%2C+modern+classical&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

(Had to remove "modern classical" too)

It's hilarious that RYM minus "metal, experimental, avant-garde jazz, modern classial" = PFork

How is it "proper" if everything is taken out?

it's proper Geir is what it is.

Geir why shouldn't classical,experimental,metal,jazz et al be in top album lists if people think they're good enough to be? Isn't that the point of these sites?

OK, "hate" was kind of a jokingly extreme word. I mean, of course, IGNORE, which is perhaps worse than hating.

I mean... well, sorry for hijacking this thread, but it's been listomania around here today. And I have just noticed this in all these lists. The others, people were saying all "oh, it's because it's canonical rock crit shit" - but this is supposed to be a reader - or rather, user based thing. And the results were even MORE extremely skewed than the canonical rock crit lists.

I mean, someone brought up a good point - I would never use a site like RYM. Because I'm from the old Plan B way of thinking that I just don't believe in ratings. I really have only two ratings - Good and I Don't Care. So perhaps it's that the whole idea of making lists and ratings and canons and league tables is such a masculine endeavor that I shouldn't get hot under the collar about it.

Because, really, ILM does debate and discuss female artists. (When I look at new answers, I see Fever Ray and M.I.A. up there.) They just don't rate them.

It's hilarious that RYM minus "metal, experimental, avant-garde jazz, modern classial" = PFork

Even when you exclude everything but "pop", you still get pretty much PFork there. Mainly because mainstream pop get so many demonstrative 0 votes from people who hate, say, Britney Spears that it will always end up near the bottom of the list no matter how good or bad it may be.

Btw. I find RYM's ratings and computer lists pretty uninteresting. But what I like there is to look at lists made by users with a similar musical taste to mine. And then just ignore all those metal or avante garde fans there.

How is it "proper" if everything is taken out?

99 per cent of the music that people do actually listen to is still in there. The list is completely owned by pop and (non metal) rock. Which is how it should be.

that's our Geir, folks.

but if site users voted for those bands how are they not proper results? You dont think Jazz or Metal or country are as valid as pop or indie?

And, well, I didn't remove hip-hop or R&B. But the RYM users manage to fix that themselves, by giving lowly ratings to mainstream hip-hop/R&B albums so that they will not get in the lists. :)

but if site users voted for those bands how are they not proper results? You dont think Jazz or Metal or country are as valid as pop or indie?

Genres that are only listened to by those who like them will get a way too high rating because all those who dislike them have never heard of them and thus will not give bad ratings to them even though they would probably hate them if they heard them. This goes for all "extreme" genres such as metal and all things avant garde.

that's our Geir, folks.

I think this is Geir's favourite filtered RYM 2000's chart
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal%2C+experimental%2C+avant-garde+jazz%2C+modern+classical%2C+post-rock%2C+soundtracks%2C+experimental+rock%2C+alt-country%2C+film+soundtrack%2C+film+score%2C+hip+hop%2C+abstract+hip+hop%2C+drone%2C+avant+folk%2C+doom+metal%2C+black+metal%2C+death+metal%2C+progressive+metal%2C+post-hardcore%2C+breakcore%2C+jazz%2C+stoner+rock%2C+hard+rock%2C+art+rock%2C+avant-prog%2C+blues%2C+blues+rock%2C+stand-up+comedy%2C+idm%2C+alternative+dance%2C+post-punk%2C+garage+rock%2C+progressive+electronic%2C+dark+ambient%2C+neofolk%2C+psychedelic+folk%2C+funk%2C+progressive+rock%2C+electronic%2C+ambient%2C+freak+folk%2C+chanson%2C+romantic+period%2C+southern+rock%2C+country+rock%2C+ska%2C+noise%2C+noise+rock%2C+american+primitivism%2C+african+popular+music%2C+neoclassical+darkwave%2C+jam+band%2C+country%2C+punk+rock%2C+neo-soul&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

Nothing wrong with a lot of those genres. :)

Yet, I usually tell it to list pop only, ignoring all other genres. That usually gives a quite nice list, because albums by mass produced teenybopper acts and all things R&B/hip-hop will always have very low rankings at RYM due to all the low grades from the haters. :)

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=pop&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

Actually THIS: http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=power+pop%2C+synth+pop%2C+symphonic+rock&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries= :)

If you really just want to limit outliers that receive unduly high ratings from a small group of respondents, you should limit the results by the number of votes received.

Top 100 by Rating, limited to those receiving at least 5,000 votes:

1). Radiohead - Kid A (2000) -- Rating: 4.18 [avg. of 11304 votes]
2). Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! (2000) -- Rating: 4.16 [avg. of 5275 votes]
3). Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004) -- Rating: 4.12 [avg. of 8667 votes]
4). Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) -- Rating: 4.06 [avg. of 5152 votes]
5). Tool - Lateralus (2001) -- Rating: 4.04 [avg. of 6058 votes]
6). Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights (2002) -- Rating: 4.03 [avg. of 5971 votes]
7). Sigur Rós - ( ) (2002) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 5329 votes]
8). Radiohead - In Rainbows (2007) -- Rating: 3.93 [avg. of 7504 votes]
9). Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf (2002) -- Rating: 3.92 [avg. of 5130 votes]
10). The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (2002) -- Rating: 3.9 [avg. of 5245 votes]
11). The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium (2003) -- Rating: 3.89 [avg. of 5023 votes]
12). Radiohead - Amnesiac (2001) -- Rating: 3.86 [avg. of 8639 votes]
13). The Strokes - Is This It (2001) -- Rating: 3.85 [avg. of 5869 votes]

Still a noticeable metal/experimental bias...

2,000 - 4,999 Votes:

14). Opeth - Blackwater Park (2001) -- Rating: 4.08 [avg. of 4208 votes]
15). Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica (2000) -- Rating: 4.07 [avg. of 3941 votes]
16). Madvillain - Madvillainy (2004) -- Rating: 4.07 [avg. of 2146 votes]
17). Agalloch - The Mantle (2002) -- Rating: 4.04 [avg. of 2030 votes]
18). Isis - Panopticon (2004) -- Rating: 4.03 [avg. of 2101 votes]
19). Johnny Cash - American IV: The Man Comes Around (2002) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 2008 votes]
20). Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005) -- Rating: 3.99 [avg. of 4797 votes]
21). Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (2002) -- Rating: 3.97 [avg. of 3527 votes]
22). At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command (2000) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 3780 votes]
23). Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It in People (2002) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 3108 votes]
24). Mastodon - Leviathan (2004) -- Rating: 3.96 [avg. of 2492 votes]
25). Boards of Canada - Geogaddi (2002) -- Rating: 3.95 [avg. of 2134 votes]
26). The National - Boxer (2007) -- Rating: 3.94 [avg. of 2873 votes]
27). Opeth - Ghost Reveries (2005) -- Rating: 3.92 [avg. of 3192 votes]
28). Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place (2003) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3447 votes]
29). Björk - Vespertine (2001) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3246 votes]
30). Porcupine Tree - Deadwing (2005) -- Rating: 3.91 [avg. of 3004 votes]
31). Opeth - Damnation (2003) -- Rating: 3.9 [avg. of 3326 votes]

1,000 to 1,999 Votes:

32). Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards (2006) -- Rating: 4.14 [avg. of 1517 votes]
33). Yann Tiersen - Amélie (2001) -- Rating: 4.1 [avg. of 1383 votes]
34). Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors (2002) -- Rating: 4.05 [avg. of 1261 votes]
35). Electric Wizard - Dopethrone (2000) -- Rating: 4.04 [avg. of 1489 votes]
36). Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun (2000) -- Rating: 4.01 [avg. of 1952 votes]
37). Johnny Cash - American III: Solitary Man (2000) -- Rating: 4.01 [avg. of 1230 votes]
38). Jay Dee - Donuts (2006) -- Rating: 4.01 [avg. of 1113 votes]
39). Neurosis - The Eye of Every Storm (2004) -- Rating: 4.01 [avg. of 1096 votes]
40). Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 (2000) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 1264 votes]
41). Venetian Snares - Rossz csillag alatt született (2005) -- Rating: 4 [avg. of 1244 votes]
42). Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds - No More Shall We Part (2001) -- Rating: 3.99 [avg. of 1894 votes]
43). Converge - Jane Doe (2001) -- Rating: 3.99 [avg. of 1822 votes]
44). Jay-Z - The Blueprint (2001) -- Rating: 3.99 [avg. of 1341 votes]
45). The National - Alligator (2005) -- Rating: 3.98 [avg. of 1961 votes]
46). Isis - Oceanic (2002) -- Rating: 3.98 [avg. of 1941 votes]
47). The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2 (2001) -- Rating: 3.98 [avg. of 1648 votes]
48). Fugazi - The Argument (2001) -- Rating: 3.98 [avg. of 1570 votes]
49). Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element I (2000) -- Rating: 3.98 [avg. of 1122 votes]
50). Agalloch - Ashes Against the Grain (2006) -- Rating: 3.97 [avg. of 1847 votes]
51). Ulver - Perdition City (2000) -- Rating: 3.97 [avg. of 1515 votes]
52). Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane (2002) -- Rating: 3.97 [avg. of 1149 votes]
53). Tom Waits - Alice (2002) -- Rating: 3.94 [avg. of 1676 votes]

The man on the street isn't really on RYM at all, which is part of the problem here.

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=twee+pop%2C+grindcore&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=country&countries=united+states

lol

I could be very happy listening to a mix based on that

Generally, however, RYM year-end lists from the 90s or earlier are looking perfectly fine. It is just in the 00s that the metal/avante garde bias has become a huge problem.

The man on the street is not a real guy, Geir.

If we're actually talking about voting, "Songs for the Deaf" is a pretty kick-ass rock'n'roll rekkid. I'd put it up there with "Here are The Sonics" or "Slayed?", and it's the only one on the list I own and would want to stick on right now.

Even though Norway is kind of (in)famous for our metal scene, this still doesn't look too bad. :)
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=country&countries=norway

geir whats the best RYM type site then?

The RYM ratings haven't been around since the 90s. At least I don't think so. So the earlier ratings simply reflect the older stuff that current, experimental-metal-listening RYM users dig. And that naturally tends to skew mainstream/familiar/fondly remembered.

No shortage of metal (and TONS of hip-hop) in the all users/all genres Best of the 90s list. Same for the 80s, but with less hip-hop and more punk & hardcore.

http://www.exclaim.ca/images/year_madvillain.jpg

can somebody, anybody, make a best-of-the-00s list that doesn't smell of ass?

I find it hard to believe the decade was that dire

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday

Can you? Be constructive, you wuss

this is the current top 100 of the 00s from my friends + favourite users on rateyourmusic.cm

1 Neurosis
A Sun That Never Sets (2001)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal

Avg rating: 4.30 | Ratings: 43 | Reviews (total): 37 | Buy this release

2 Perdition City
Ulver
Perdition City (2000)

Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.26 | Ratings: 50 | Reviews (total): 83 | Buy this release

3 Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven!
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! (2000)

Post-Rock, Experimental Rock
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 107 | Reviews (total): 421 | Buy this release

4 Kid A
Radiohead
Kid A (2000)

Experimental Rock, Art Rock
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 118 | Reviews (total): 799 | Buy this release

5 The Eye of Every Storm
Neurosis
The Eye of Every Storm (2004)

Atmospheric Sludge Metal, Post-Rock, Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.19 | Ratings: 55 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

6 Leaving Your Body Map
maudlin of the Well
Leaving Your Body Map (2001)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.20 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 67 | Buy this release

7 Panopticon
Isis
Panopticon (2004)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 74 | Reviews (total): 102 | Buy this release

8 Leaves Turn Inside You
Unwound
Leaves Turn Inside You (2001)

Post-Hardcore, Indie Rock
Avg rating: 4.26 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 58 | Buy this release

9 Choirs of the Eye
Kayo Dot
Choirs of the Eye (2003)

Experimental Rock, Experimental, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 99 | Buy this release

10 Blackwater Park
Opeth
Blackwater Park (2001)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 76 | Reviews (total): 323 | Buy this release

11 Bath
maudlin of the Well
Bath (2001)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.17 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 75 | Buy this release

12 Black Earth
Bohren & der Club of Gore
Black Earth (2002)

Jazz, Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 65 | Buy this release

13 Supermodified
Amon Tobin
Supermodified (2000)

Electronic
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 29 | Buy this release

14 Oceanic
Isis
Oceanic (2002)

Sludge Metal, Atmospheric Sludge Metal
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 62 | Reviews (total): 71 | Buy this release

15 Endless Summer
Fennesz
Endless Summer (2001)

Glitch, Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 46 | Buy this release

16 The Painter's Palette
Ephel Duath
The Painter's Palette (2003)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 36 | Buy this release

17 Lightbulb Sun
Porcupine Tree
Lightbulb Sun (2000)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 49 | Reviews (total): 88 | Buy this release

18 Maaäet
Tenhi
Maaäet (2006)

Neofolk
Avg rating: 4.15 | Ratings: 38 | Reviews (total): 15 | Buy this release

19 Neon Golden
The Notwist
Neon Golden (2002)

Indie Electronic
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 52 | Reviews (total): 62 | Buy this release

20 The Mantle
Agalloch
The Mantle (2002)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 4.07 | Ratings: 57 | Reviews (total): 145 | Buy this release

21 Turn On the Bright Lights
Interpol
Turn On the Bright Lights (2002)

Post-Punk, Indie Rock
Avg rating: 4.01 | Ratings: 83 | Reviews (total): 377 | Buy this release

22 Pop
Gas
Pop (2000)

Ambient, Ambient Techno, Minimal Techno, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.39 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 25 | Buy this release

23 The Ape of Naples
Coil
The Ape of Naples (2005)

Industrial, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 41 | Buy this release

24 The Glow Pt. 2
The Microphones
The Glow Pt. 2 (2001)

Lo-Fi, Psychedelic Folk, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 40 | Reviews (total): 88 | Buy this release

25 Martes
Murcof
Martes (2002)

Glitch, Minimal Techno, Ambient Techno, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.20 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

26 In Harmonia Universali
Solefald
In Harmonia Universali (2003)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.27 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 14 | Buy this release

27 And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
Yo La Tengo
And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out (2000)

Dream Pop, Indie Rock
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28 Geogaddi
Boards of Canada
Geogaddi (2002)

IDM, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.98 | Ratings: 76 | Reviews (total): 90 | Buy this release

29 In Absentia
Porcupine Tree
In Absentia (2002)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 65 | Reviews (total): 219 | Buy this release

30 Funeral
Arcade Fire
Funeral (2004)

Indie Rock
Avg rating: 3.96 | Ratings: 93 | Reviews (total): 687 | Buy this release

31 Of Natural History
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Of Natural History (2004)

Experimental Rock, Avant-Prog, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 38 | Buy this release

32 Blood Inside
Ulver
Blood Inside (2005)

Electronic, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 51 | Reviews (total): 73 | Buy this release

33 The Cold Vein
Cannibal Ox
The Cold Vein (2001)

Abstract Hip Hop, East Coast Hip Hop
Avg rating: 4.17 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 83 | Buy this release

34 Jane Doe
Converge
Jane Doe (2001)

Metalcore, Mathcore, Post-Hardcore
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 49 | Reviews (total): 175 | Buy this release

35 Souvenirs
The Gathering
Souvenirs (2003)

Art Rock, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 36 | Reviews (total): 36 | Buy this release

36 The Sham Mirrors
Arcturus
The Sham Mirrors (2002)

Progressive Metal, Avant-Garde Metal
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 44 | Reviews (total): 73 | Buy this release

37 Autumn Aurora
Drudkh
Autumn Aurora (2004)

Atmospheric Black Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.18 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 37 | Buy this release

38 5
Supersilent
5 (2001)

Free Improvisation, Avant-Garde Jazz, Experimental
Avg rating: 4.38 | Ratings: 16 | Reviews (total): 2 | Buy this release

39 Deliverance
Opeth
Deliverance (2002)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 3.98 | Ratings: 58 | Reviews (total): 119 | Buy this release

40 Damnation
Opeth
Damnation (2003)

Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 71 | Reviews (total): 185 | Buy this release

41 Lateralus
Tool
Lateralus (2001)

Alternative Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 73 | Reviews (total): 448 | Buy this release

42 Jesu
Jesu
Jesu (2005)

Drone Doom Metal, Shoegaze
Avg rating: 3.97 | Ratings: 59 | Reviews (total): 63 | Buy this release

43 Blood in Our Wells
Drudkh
Blood in Our Wells (2006)

Atmospheric Black Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 26 | Reviews (total): 33 | Buy this release

44 The Perfect Element I
Pain of Salvation
The Perfect Element I (2000)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.08 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 57 | Buy this release

45 El Cielo
dredg
El Cielo (2002)

Art Rock, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 39 | Reviews (total): 84 | Buy this release

46 Dead as Dreams
Weakling
Dead as Dreams (2000)

Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 20 | Reviews (total): 41 | Buy this release

47 Amnesiac
Radiohead
Amnesiac (2001)

Experimental Rock, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.90 | Ratings: 99 | Reviews (total): 459 | Buy this release

48 Secret South
16 Horsepower
Secret South (2000)

Alt-Country, Gothic Country
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

49 Back to Times of Splendor
Disillusion
Back to Times of Splendor (2004)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal
Avg rating: 4.10 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 63 | Buy this release

50 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Wilco
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002)

Alt-Country, Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 63 | Reviews (total): 325 | Buy this release

51 Vespertine
Björk
Vespertine (2001)

Progressive Pop, Electronica, Art Pop
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 73 | Reviews (total): 160 | Buy this release

52 The Milk-Eyed Mender
Joanna Newsom
The Milk-Eyed Mender (2004)

Folk, Freak Folk, Singer/Songwriter
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 42 | Reviews (total): 134 | Buy this release

53 Xtrmntr
Primal Scream
Xtrmntr (2000)

Alternative Dance, Alternative Rock, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 44 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

54 Ashes Against the Grain
Agalloch
Ashes Against the Grain (2006)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 62 | Reviews (total): 137 | Buy this release

55 Absence
Dälek
Absence (2005)

Experimental Hip Hop, Abstract Hip Hop, Conscious Hip Hop
Avg rating: 3.99 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 42 | Buy this release

56 Relationship of Command
At the Drive-In
Relationship of Command (2000)

Post-Hardcore
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 61 | Reviews (total): 243 | Buy this release

57 Beautiful Speck Triumph
Birchville Cat Motel
Beautiful Speck Triumph (2004)

Drone
Avg rating: 4.37 | Ratings: 15 | Reviews (total): 17 | Buy this release

58 A Strangely Isolated Place
Ulrich Schnauss
A Strangely Isolated Place (2003)

Downtempo, Electronic
Avg rating: 4.05 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 26 | Buy this release

59 Far Away Trains Passing By
Ulrich Schnauss
Far Away Trains Passing By (2001)

Electronic, Downtempo
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

60 Väre
Tenhi
Väre (2002)

Neofolk
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 28 | Reviews (total): 4 | Buy this release

61 He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms...
A Silver Mt. Zion
He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms... (2000)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 3.92 | Ratings: 64 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

62 Boris at Last -Feedbacker-
Boris
Boris at Last -Feedbacker- (2003)

Drone, Drone Doom Metal, Noise Rock
Avg rating: 4.07 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 61 | Buy this release

63 Pale Ravine
Deaf Center
Pale Ravine (2005)

Ambient
Avg rating: 4.16 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 12 | Buy this release

64 Flares
Port-Royal
Flares (2005)

Ambient, Post-Rock
Avg rating: 4.03 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 27 | Buy this release

65 Suspended Animation Dreams
Subterranean Masquerade
Suspended Animation Dreams (2005)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 25 | Reviews (total): 26 | Buy this release

66 6
Supersilent
6 (2003)

Free Improvisation, Electronic, Experimental Rock
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 36 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

67 Terraforming
The Postman Syndrome
Terraforming (2002)

Progressive Metal, Progressive Rock
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 16 | Buy this release

68 Verisäkeet
Moonsorrow
Verisäkeet (2005)

Folk Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.25 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 33 | Buy this release

69 Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards
Tom Waits
Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards (2006)

Singer/Songwriter, Blues Rock, Folk Rock
Avg rating: 4.05 | Ratings: 31 | Reviews (total): 101 | Buy this release

70 ( )
Sigur Rós
( ) (2002)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 3.85 | Ratings: 106 | Reviews (total): 269 | Buy this release

71 The Empty Hollow Unfolds
Raison d'être
The Empty Hollow Unfolds (2000)

Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.55 | Ratings: 11 | Reviews (total): 6 | Buy this release

72 Rossz csillag alatt született
Venetian Snares
Rossz csillag alatt született (2005)

Breakcore, Drill and Bass, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.96 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 71 | Buy this release

73 Illinois
Sufjan Stevens
Illinois (2005)

Singer/Songwriter, Indie Pop, Chamber Pop
Avg rating: 3.88 | Ratings: 78 | Reviews (total): 356 | Buy this release

74 Finally We Are No One
múm
Finally We Are No One (2002)

Electronic, Indie Electronic
Avg rating: 3.94 | Ratings: 51 | Reviews (total): 52 | Buy this release

75 Untrue
Burial
Untrue (2007)

Dubstep, Electronic
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 53 | Reviews (total): 138 | Buy this release

76 Light of Day, Day of Darkness
Green Carnation
Light of Day, Day of Darkness (2001)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 3.99 | Ratings: 38 | Reviews (total): 55 | Buy this release

77 Rounds
Four Tet
Rounds (2003)

Electronic
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 46 | Reviews (total): 39 | Buy this release

78 Pain Necessary to Know
Ephel Duath
Pain Necessary to Know (2005)

Avant-Garde Metal, Progressive Metal, Mathcore, Jazz Fusion
Avg rating: 4.13 | Ratings: 23 | Reviews (total): 14 | Buy this release

79 Remedy Lane
Pain of Salvation
Remedy Lane (2002)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 62 | Buy this release

80 Things We Lost in the Fire
Low
Things We Lost in the Fire (2001)

Slowcore
Avg rating: 3.95 | Ratings: 45 | Reviews (total): 43 | Buy this release

81 Last Fair Deal Gone Down
Katatonia
Last Fair Deal Gone Down (2001)

Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 34 | Reviews (total): 31 | Buy this release

82 The For Carnation
The For Carnation
The For Carnation (2000)

Post-Rock, Slowcore
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 32 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

83 The Black Halo
Kamelot
The Black Halo (2005)

Power Metal
Avg rating: 4.14 | Ratings: 22 | Reviews (total): 53 | Buy this release

84 Bluffer's Guide to the Flight Deck
Flotation Toy Warning
Bluffer's Guide to the Flight Deck (2004)

Dream Pop, Neo-Psychedelia
Avg rating: 4.23 | Ratings: 18 | Reviews (total): 27 | Buy this release

85 Person Pitch
Panda Bear
Person Pitch (2007)

Psychedelic Pop, Experimental
Avg rating: 3.90 | Ratings: 57 | Reviews (total): 250 | Buy this release

86 Enjoy Eternal Bliss
Yndi Halda
Enjoy Eternal Bliss (2006)

Post-Rock
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 33 | Reviews (total): 81 | Buy this release

87 Svidd neger
Ulver
Svidd neger (2003)

Electronic, Ambient, Film Soundtrack
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 18 | Buy this release

88 Below the Lights
Enslaved
Below the Lights (2003)

Progressive Metal, Black Metal
Avg rating: 4.04 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 23 | Buy this release

89 American IV: The Man Comes Around
Johnny Cash
American IV: The Man Comes Around (2002)

Americana, Country
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 30 | Reviews (total): 111 | Buy this release

90 Remembranza
Murcof
Remembranza (2005)

Electronic, Ambient
Avg rating: 4.09 | Ratings: 24 | Reviews (total): 4 | Buy this release

91 Sunset Mission
Bohren & der Club of Gore
Sunset Mission (2000)

Jazz, Dark Ambient
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 22 | Reviews (total): 31 | Buy this release

92 Terria
Devin Townsend
Terria (2001)

Progressive Metal
Avg rating: 4.00 | Ratings: 31 | Reviews (total): 50 | Buy this release

93 The Gathering Wilderness
Primordial
The Gathering Wilderness (2005)

Folk Metal
Avg rating: 4.02 | Ratings: 29 | Reviews (total): 29 | Buy this release

94 The Tired Sounds Of
Stars of the Lid
The Tired Sounds Of (2001)

Ambient, Drone
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95 Annihilation of the Wicked
Nile
Annihilation of the Wicked (2005)

Death Metal, Technical Death Metal
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96 White Pony
Deftones
White Pony (2000)

Alternative Metal, Alternative Rock
Avg rating: 3.93 | Ratings: 41 | Reviews (total): 153 | Buy this release

97 V: Hävitetty
Moonsorrow
V: Hävitetty (2007)

Folk Metal, Viking Metal
Avg rating: 4.12 | Ratings: 21 | Reviews (total): 40 | Buy this release

98 Madvillainy
Madvillain
Madvillainy (2004)

Abstract Hip Hop, Hip Hop, Experimental Hip Hop
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99 Star Is Just a Sun
The White Birch
Star Is Just a Sun (2002)

Slowcore
Avg rating: 4.42 | Ratings: 12 | Reviews (total): 6 | Buy this release

100 And Their Refinement of the Decline
Stars of the Lid
And Their Refinement of the Decline (2007)

Ambient, Drone
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Notwist's Neon Golden really should be one of those first 50. None of those are any better than it. And not that I care too much about production techniques, but if you really needed a tiebreaker...

ok, i screwed this up royally the first time out... so once more:

Greece

success! still more metal (56 albums by my count--woo-hoo!) than thou, malakes!!!!!!

geir whats the best RYM type site then?

I would say Acclaimed Music, because it concentrates on critics and doesn't care about all those metal fans who are able to take over a site.

Of course RYM is a fantastic place for lists anyway. Your own lists, and other users' lists, that is.

For 1990s or earlier, RYM is quite good though. Note that their all time list contains very little from the 00s up there at all, simply because opinions on 00s albums are too divided for them to do very well against older albums, who are mostly rated by people who like them and not so much by people who hate them. :)

basically, anything that's been released post 2000 that winds up getting 4.00 or above at RYM is doing astoundingly well.

All those filters are quite cool, but what I miss is an opportunity to pick "albums that have been rated by at least * RYM users"

I would put the limit around 8.000, and get rid of most of the obscure metal.

Best Norwegian Albums of the 00s - clear evidence that Norway has produced some of the best music of the 00s - particularly taking into account the population of the country

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=1&genres=&include=both&origin_countries=Norway&limit=none&countries=

Geir: uninterested in reality since 1983

i voted for ashes against the grain. because it's my favorite album of the decade. if they had put blood inside on that list instead of perdition city i might have had a dilemna. blood inside and ashes are probably my top two of the decade.

Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds No More Shall We Part (2001)

Really???? Ugh.... hate that album.

ts: Norway vs. Sweden

Sweden

This is the proper Norwegian 00s list (metal is not music):
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2000s&genre_include=0&genres=metal&include_child_genres=t&include=both&origin_countries=Norway&limit=none&countries=Norway

i love any country that can house both the kings of convenience and mayhem.

But really, the RYM lists are useful only for the 90s or earlier. In the 00s they are too dominated by weird and strange extreme stuff.

you mean good?

(metal is not music)
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro),

we really need that photoshop

Geir: uninterested in reality since 1983

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.),

Master Of Unreality is his fave sabbath album!

Coil for sure here.

like, not even close.

2) why the fuck don't men listen to female artists? it's not like women have the same weird moratorium on listening to male artists.

i'm not going to read the whole thread to see whether this is addressed, but kate, this ^^^^ strawman of yours is totally absurd & ridic. fwiw i think everyone going in to a thread about lists understands that lists are subjective based on who compiled them. in this case, a bunch of nerdy dudes who spend time on rate your music. note a larger percentage of metal than you'd find on any other non-genre-specific list.

furthermore, plenty of men listen to female artists. have you noticed how much ILM loves Kate Bush? or Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie? What about MIA, or Annie, or Sleater Kinney or... c'mon. At least try to think about things for a minute before getting up on some stick-horse abt it.

sorry if i come across as a dick btw, i don't intend to. i just disagree with you.

What if the best album of the decade shows up in December? Can we take the poll over again?

only if it meets Geir's approval and isn't a metal album since metal isn't music apparently.

i hope geir was actually a metalhead when he was 12

geir sprung from his mother's womb fully developed at age 47.

But really, the RYM lists are useful only for the 90s or earlier. In the 00s they are too dominated by weird and strange extreme stuff.

Yes. And the same thing would happen if there was an ILM Best of 2000s poll, based on the 2008 Electrodribble movement. That poll was so irritating. The ILM equivalent of a town hall meeting.

just you wait til the xx dominate the ilm best of 2009 electrodribble poll.

You lie!

Just keep your government hands off my electrodribble.

electrodribble will nevah die!!!

xxp to ian:

dude, i'm pretty sure Kate realizes all that fully well, much as anyone else here, come to think of it. i do, however, understand how someone can feel pretty discouraged when they see the same old stereotypically MALE mainstays winning everything in sight. long live the BOYZ ONLY club!!!

furthermore, plenty of men listen to female artists. have you noticed how much ILM loves Kate Bush? or Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie? What about MIA, or Annie, or Sleater Kinney or... c'mon. At least try to think about things for a minute before getting up on some stick-horse abt it.

But this is what I'm saying! It's not as if women don't get props here. So why don't they ever make it onto these canonical lists?

It is *so* discouraging. It's like... honestly, it's like you start to feel invisible after a while. It's so frustrating.

Some of those artists are popular on RYM as well:

The Dreaming #8 for 1982
Hounds of Love #3 for 1985

Dig Me Out #25 for 1997

but but but, this "canonical list" is just compiled by a bunch of random dudes, nothin' canonical about it imo.

Ian (re: Kate),

Thing is, ILM, as a community, is pretty PC in its expressions of taste. It's self-policing wr2 diversity, sensitivity, cultural representation, etc. Even so, its collective taste often skews white, male and indie/dance. RYM aggregates are a less "careful" summary of group taste, thus maybe all the more depressing -- though it's probably a very different group.

Just taking a quick skim through the new albums (didn't count reissues) that I bought in the 2000s, and the grand total is 104 albums that have a significant female presence (either singing or writing the majority of songs on the album) out of 275 albums (and loaded into iTunes).

On the other hand, of those 275 albums, only seven are on this list.

RYM maybe needs more ilxors and females on it then.

Or, I'm only 37% not sexist. Weirdly enough, I did notice that (sorting by album title), the female artists are clustered near the beginning of the alphabet and at the end of the alphabet. Through the first 40 or so albums, about 75% were female; then the last 20 or so albums are also disproportionately female.

Yeah, I've done, like, almost nothing on RYM, though I do have an account somewhere gathering dust. I realized pretty quickly that I don't actually care what most other people think of my music, nor do I care what they think of theirs; I think I actually started reading ILX just a few months before trying to get into RYM (because of DJ Martian, I think), and then I was like, man, fuck this, it's taking time away from listening to music that I like, and I have too much shit to worry about cataloging it all properly. If I had an intern, I'd make them do it.

It's funny, I enjoy reading lists and voting on polls, but not compiling a list. It's too damn hard to choose!

I enjoy constructing rules more than I enjoy trying to come up with "the best." It's like, to get all hippy bullshit, what's the best color? What's the best tool? Well, best for what? The dissection of criteria is almost always more interesting; listening to music more interesting still.

but lists can be fun (as long as im not compiling them)

This is a depressing list. I can't bring myself to vote for any of the metal albums, they're all so dire. I'll probably vote for Coil or something.

Also wtf is that Immolation record doing there? Decent in a meat-and-potatoes DM way but I am puzzled why anyone would rate this album so highly.

you don't like Opeth, Siegbran?

the metal albums i like in this list are :
Tool Lateralus (2001)
Agalloch The Mantle (2002)
Isis Panopticon (2004)
Electric Wizard Dopethrone (2000)
Converge Jane Doe (2001)(i know its not exactly metal but half of its fans are metalheads)
Neurosis A Sun That Never Sets (2001)
Boris Boris at Last -Feedbacker- (2003)
Isis Oceanic (2002)
Ulver Perdition City (2000)
Neurosis The Eye of Every Storm (2004)
Agalloch Ashes Against the Grain (2006)
Mastodon - Leviathan

and if they count ATD-I, Qotsa.

Howard Shore The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)

I have not seen one person ever rep for this anywhere.

the music when Frodo and co are going down the river and passing those giant statues of the kings is fiyah

I have not seen one person ever rep for this anywhere.

There are a lot of soundtrack fans out there. They realize their taste is not very "hip" and they usually aren't too profilic about it, but they do like those albums. If they didn't exist, then soundtrack albums consisting of actual score music wouldn't have existed either, as there wouldn't have been a marked for it.

you don't like Opeth, Siegbran?

last guy to spread the rumor that Siegbran liked Opeth still missing btw

:(

i needed to take a six months break from opeth because it was all getting a tad too much. the latest album never quite clicked with me despite repeat listens and they just seemed to be showing signs of hitting the wall creatively - apart from the occasional flourish here and there like the circusy synth breakdown in 'lotus eater'. but... i reckon i'm ready to brace it all again. might try and ease myself back into it via my arms, your hearse. now that's an album.

some great albums on this list by the way.

but it just seems to be getting progressively pointless to put my weight behind the same old albums in these polls. i could stick up for YHF for the billionth time, but i get the idea people know where i stand.

silly to poll it, but as it's there i voted 'a sun that never sets', for which i do not get the hate

^^^yeah, that is one awesome record!

when that alarm-call bit kicks in about 4mins into 'from the hill' it actually becomes unreasonable to dislike the album

less intense or flat-out sublime than TSIB (which is my favourite record of the 90's authored by someone other than cardiacs or mansun) but retains a really menacing, thrilling, tragic sensibility all the way through.

there's hate for a sun that never sets? from whom? burn them!

Just revisted The Ape Of Naples a few times again and that's easily my favourite on this list.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

YHF

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

This proves it for once and for all. Madlib and Boards of Canada have the best albums of the decade.

I voted Madlib.

for once brian is happy.

geogaddi is ok but best of the decade? apparently it has been even lousier than i thought.

That's ILM for you

Didn't realise anyone had actually listened to that album more than a couple of times.

5 votes for Agalloch, cool.

I'd probably have voted for 'Relationship of Command' on this list, but the list doesn't contain any of my favourite albums of the decade.

Got down to no.695: The Knife 'Silent Shout' to find anything which might have a chance of getting into a top 10 I might make (not that I'm going to.)

5 votes for Agalloch, cool.

8 actually in total.

geogaddi is ok but best of the decade? apparently it has been even lousier than i thought.

― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:27 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

I think it's just that the top 50 RYM albums suck.

(Coil, Unwound, Ligeti excepted)