What would an insufferable music snob's 12 CDs be?

you're right about:

1. Trans-Europe Express 2. White Light White Heat

the dub one is:

3. King Tubby Meet Rockers Uptown

and then I'll go with: 4. White Album 5. Pet Sounds 6. The Chronic 7. Selected Ambient Works 85-92 8. One Japanese noise cd 9. One Brazilian psychedelic record 10. One NEU! record ("Stereolab ripped them off you know" ;) 11. Tago Mago (absolute must you can't be a snob without it) 12. Trout M**k R*****a (yes, i'm a cheeky bastard here, because this disqualifies me :)

You've gotta add My Bloody Valentine's Loveless to the list, and at least one ultra-rare collectible, like Negativland's "U2", or the Justified Ancients' 1987:WTFIGO? album.

You need a token pop music CD - last year it was Daphne And Celeste. This year maybe the Sugababes but too many people are getting into them now so quite possibly Dream. Pop wrong-foots people occasionally as this forum amply proves.

Thread of the day BTW ;)

I recommend Miles Davis -'Amandla' and the SPAWN soundtrack, with a dash of Sally Oldfield.

_marquee moon_

_remain in light_

_it takes a nation of millions to hold us back_

_second edition_

_69 love songs_

_in a silent way_

_tago mago_

a neu album

_trout mask replica_

_pet sounds_

the vintage dub record

Millions Now Living Will Never Die - Tortoise

Moon Safari - Air

Vanishing Point - Primal Scream

prog might just be creeping back in. the Radiophonic Workshop is a long shot for about 2005.

Ah nothing better than a slagging of your own collection.

2. Crass ‘Best before 1984’ (because the idea of a Crass Greatest Hits package is cool)

3. Kid606 ‘down with the scene’ (the essential unlistenable album)

4. Residents’ ‘Duck Stab/Buster & Glen’ (because you’d need to have something you liked)

5. Vic Godard & Subway Sect ’20 Odd years’ (because they are the current critically over-rated new wave act)

6. Charles Mansun & The Family The White Album (so much better than the other white album)

7. Boyd Rice & Friends ‘I’d rather be your enemy’ (we’d need a satanist singalong)

8. ESG – A South Bronx Story (why? Another critically overvalued act)

9. All Tomorrow's Parties 1.0 (useful compilation of names to drop)

10. Streetsounds ‘Electro 9’ (or 8, 6, 11, 12 – any which came to hand really)

11. Panasonic ‘Osasto’ EP (to remind yourself of Kid606’s roots)

12. Baha Men ‘Who let the dogs out’ (because 100% good taste would be vulgar)

1. Porter Ricks - Biokinetics ("I think when they left Basic Channel they left their talent in one of those metal boxes")

2. V/A - Compost Communities ("I've heard people describe this stuff as like bossa nova. Bossa nova my ass.")

3. that gigantic dub Trojan box set ("I spent my entire last pay packet on this, but that's cool because I otherwise I would have spent it on a shirt, and I'm glad I didn't buy that shirt because after Saturday night it would only make me think of Trey eating spaghetti. Sorry, it was rigatoni, actually.")

4. a Harmonia album ("I remember hanging around the local seconds store at dawn on the day this was rereleased on an indie label, waiting for some idiot journalist to sell their copy so I could update my scratched vinyl")

5. the Amores Perros soundtrack ("Dirty South? Only if you mean latin America, 'cause that's the only place the hip hop I listen to these days comes from".) (Tim says: "actually the Amores Perros soundtrack is excellent, but that's only because I'm an insufferable hipster")

6. The Au Pairs' first album ("I never got into punk, except for the lady bands. They rocked my boat, in a gently back and forth sorta way.")

7. Stereolab and Nurse With Wound - Crumb Duck ("yeah, I guess you could sorta say that I like both those bands.")

8. Janet Jackson - All 4 U ("I bought it so I could learn the words. My slowcore band are covering it on our next ep")

9. Tim Buckley - Starsailor ("I pity all those guys who listen to "Postcards From L.A.")

... and that's all I can come up with.

the music snob would probably own a fela kuti compilation, or anything on luaka bop, such as the new reissue of shuggie otis's inspiration information ("he's much better than stevie wonder, and he prefigured prince, but he never gets his proper due.")

Again, we seem to have differing ideas of 'music snobs'. No way would 'Pet Sounds' or 'Moon Safari' be in the 12 - far too obvious.

n.

1) wild style soundtrack

2) public enemy - yo! bum rush the show ('it was all downhill after that, i think')

3) kmd - mr.hood

4) akinyele - vagina diner ('oh you've only heard 'breaking atoms'?'

5) tribe called quest - bonita applebaum 12"

6) ll cool j - mama said knock you out

7) gza - liquid swords

8) ice cube - the predator

9) common - can i borrow a dollar?

10) mystikal - unpredictable

11) nas - illmatic ('sure, everyone has it for a REASON')

12) jean jacques perry - moog indigo

2. Guy: 'the essential unlistenable album'? ALL those albums sound unlistenable to me.

It depends what type of snob you are, no? A real punk snob would also own No New York.

1/2: The Beatles Red and Blue Albums

3: Velvet Underground GH (the HORROR!)

4: The Who GH (not the My generation comp, but one of the older ones)

5: David Bowie GH

6: Dirty Dancing

7: James Brown: GH

8: Grease

9: The Eagles GH

10: Michael Jackson: HIStory Vol 1

11: Saturday Night Fever

12: Journey GH

So there.

Are Daft Punk too pop to be snob? Is such a factor pertinent? Prince sold a lot of records, the Talking Heads sold a surprising amount for being complete art students. Both were, to say the least, critical favorites in the 80s. Even Elvis Costello sold millions...

My only argument with saying Coltrane is snob music is that some of his records are so goddamn beautiful...not in theory, but in actual practice. Stuff like Meditations, though, is, errr, ART.

Whoever said Belle and Sebastian on vinyl, that's a damn good point. Vinyl is a huge, huge snob indicator. The only reason I buy vinyl nowadays is when it's cheaper, and something I probably can't trade in to a used CD store. Real snobs, of course own vinyl-- NUMBERED, LIMITED-EDITION vinyl, mind you, not the commoners' stuff.

What about-- bootlegs? Stooges and MC5 bootlegs with terrible sound quality? The Monks, Black Monk Time? Blue Cheer? Compilations of garage hits (I have to wonder how many of those garage singles were actually made in the 60s...but then, they usually put the singles' labels in the artwork to prove they existed...)??

But what should I keep....this is the question. I suppose I should select the highest-selling CDs in my collection.

i'd go with your 12 faves and see if they can hold up over a month. i assume you'll buy no new albums during that time, right?

I don't feel like going up to 12.

*--It doesn't matter if you've never heard of it. Just a local hip reference.

1. The Merzbox definitely. Half the reason I bought it was to brag about buying it, having only purchased one Merzbow CD before I got it.

2. Can: Tago-Mago. I bought it becuase Merzbow said he liked Can.

3. Peter Gabriel's soundtrack for The Last Temptaion of Christ. In fact, any "world music" (whatever that means) CD would fit the bill.

4. Metallica's Ride the Lightning. Everybody likes Master of Puppets, snobs know better. In fact, Megadeth's Killing is My Business...and Business is Good! would work even better.

5. Any Cowboy Junkies album except the Trinity Sessions.

6. 10,000 Maniacs In My Tribe.

7. R.E.M. Chronic Town E.P. (if you have the original)

8. Anything by Philip Glass. I dearly love the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack, but most of the rest of his work is just dense and dreary (and hence perfect for saying to your friends that say they don't like Philip Glass, "You just don't understand it"...the ultimate record snob dissmissive.

9. Lou Reed Metal Machine Music. I am a huge fan of Japanese Noise music and I don't even own it.

10. Jewel's Night Without Armor. Any Jewel fan's response to the statement, "I just don't find Jewel's music interesting" is invariably, "Well, anyone that lives in a car for a year with her mom..." and then some snobby followup. The same goes for Tori Amos' Little Earthquakes, a fair album that gets too much attention because Amos sings about getting raped.

11. Any Eric Clapton album. I think it was o.k. for the girls to swoon over cute white boys playing the blues in the late 60's/early seventies, but only snobbery keeps people buying Clapton records. Same goes for the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Eagles, ad nauseum.

12. Zappa and Beefheart records. I love them both, but it is impossible to talk about them with feeling like (and sounding like) a snob.

Love, Jeff

The Philip Glass would have to be the complete 'Music In 12 Parts'
There would need to be one 'girl group' CD in there, perhaps a Shirelles compilation. "They were the first and best, you know..."

Also, the discussion here is leaving out other certain types of music, that haven't been mentioned.

For example, a SNOB would have John Cage "The Perilous Night," Captain Beefheart "Trout Mask Replica", "Neu!", Anthony Braxton "For Alto", and a Basic Channel LP....BUT BUT BUT they would also have the yellow Bad Brains album, Black Flag "Slip It In", Slayer "Reign in Blood" and THEN some Gamelan music.

SNOB has always meant to me "completely eclectic and aware that ALL music is relevant, except for, of course, that shit you listen to."

Japanese noise music- mhm British noise music- mhm Space music- surely movie scores from snobby movies- pi/requiem for a dream are key

And you know, I still adore Ben Folds, is that so wrong???

1. Cybotron - Clear ("It used to be called 'Enter' you know")

2. Can - Saw Delight ("Shit, man, even my grandma owns 'Tago Mago' - the later stuff is where it's at")

3. some early Kompakt 12"s ("They're past their prime now")

4. Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda ("A lot of the free stuff is pretty pedestrian, but Alice's has a real warmth")

5. Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription ("People think Spiritualized are really moving and grand, but the quaintness and personality of the SP3 stuff is what grabs me. Everyone knows Sonic is cooler, anyway")

6. Cabaret Voltaire - 2X45 ("It just sounds so much more alive on vinyl - those deep, wide grooves")

7. Outkast - Stankonia ("They really are fabulous, aren't they")

8. any Soul Jazz compilation ("Great packaging, lovingly assembled - these guys don't disappoint")

9. Manuel Gottsching - E2-E4 ("It's the blueprint for electronic dance music, y'know")

10. Pop Group - Y ("They just don't make records like this anymore")

11. Iannis Xenakis - Electronic Music ("Truly visceral stuff, puts a lot of industrial to absolute shame")

12. Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) ("Definitely his best")

As for the rest, I'd say search through Pitchforkmedia.com and pick anything random that gets at least an 8.0 rating. (exceptions: anything by Radiohead. Or Jay-Z.)

http://www.culturedose.com/review.php?aid=1000018

The Conet Project boxed set Fleetwood Mac: _Tusk_ Raymond Scott: _Soothing Sounds for Baby_ vol. 1-3 Robert Johnson: Complete Recordings some Billie Holiday Galaxie 500 boxed set (just for the bonus 4th disc - of course, you already own the first three Rough Trade albums) Kraftwerk: _Kraftwerk 1_ Daniel Johnston: _Yip/Jump Music_ token ironic mainstream pop album which you claim is really, really good (e.g. Spice Girls) William Shatner: _The Transformed Man_ Captain Beefheart: _Grow Fins_ box

Here Are My Twelve (in no particular order):

1. David Sylvian - Secret of the Beehive
2. King Crimson - Lark's Tongue in Aspic
3. Brian Eno/Harold Budd - The Pearl
4. Steve Tibbetts - The Fall of us All
5. Japan - Tin Drum
6. Charming Hostess - Eat
7. Peter Gabriel - 3: Melt
8. The Last Emperor Original Motion Picture Soundtrack - Ryuichi Sakamoto
9. Eric Satie - Piano Works (Performed by Pascal Roge)
10. Huun-Huur-Tuu - Where Young Grass Grows
11. Sabbah Habas Mustapha and the Jugala All-Stars - So-La-Li
12. Robert Rich - Propagation

BUT!!! I think I have the trump card:

The Wit & Wisdom Of Ronald Reagan on vinyl. Wit on one side, wisdom on t' other. "There may or may not be anything interesting on this record" written on the sleeve. Record entirely blank.

Checkmate?

King Crimson “In The Wake of Poseidon”

Nektar “Journey to the Centre of the Eye”

Babe Ruth “First Base”

Soft Machine “Fourth”

Yes “Tales from Topographic Oceans”

Rush “Caress of Steel”

Focus “III”

Emerson, Lake & Palmer “Brain Salad Surgery”

Gentle Giant “Three Friends”

Atomic Rooster “Death Walks Behind You”

Alan Parsons Project “Tales of Mystery & Imagination”

Marillion “Script for a Jester’s Tear” (Truly the last band that is worthy of listening.)

Roy Buchanan “Live Stock”

Robin Trower “Bridge of Sighs”

Steve Miller Band “Children of the Future”

Tommy Bolin “Teaser”

Cream “Wheels of Fire”

Deep Purple “Made In Japan”

Free “Fire and Water”

Ten Years After “Cricklewood Green”

Santana “Lotus”

Frank Zappa “Hot Rats”

Focus “III”

Gary Moore “Victims of the Future”

That list is based upon someone that used to own a guitar store where I grew up. I remember him waxing poetic about Paul Kossoff thats why it was included. To hear him talk if Kossoff and Tommy Bolin hadn't of kicked off they would be bigger than Jimmy Page.

Occasionally these two would be in each others stores or out front shooting the breeze and would get off on these old funky records.

Another Twelve of (For a music snob I have quite the record collection...)

1. Micheal Blake - Elavated
2. Ibrahim Ferrer - Buena Vista Presents Ibrahim Ferrer
3. Uz Jmsme Dorma - Usi (Ears)
4. Caetano Veloso - Livro
5. Space Explosion - Space Explosion
6. Mick Karn - Dreams of Reason Produce Monsters
7. RockFour - Another Beginning
8. Maniacs Vs. Sharkiat - Pleas Don't Climb the Pyramids
9. 16 Horsepower - Low Estate
10. Jon Hassell - Fascinoma
11. Thanasis Papakonstantinou - Vrachnos Profitis (The Hoarse Prophet)
12. Hamster Theatre - Carnival Detournement

[Honorable Mentions]

Gigi Shibawbaw - Gigi
Jim White - Wrong Eyed Jesus
Yes - Close to the Edge
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond
Gillian Welch - Revival
Yellow Magic Orchestra - Technodelic
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Michael Brook - Night Song
Paul Horn - Inside the Taj Mahal I and II
Don Ross - Huron Street

whoa!! To much...music snobbery...all at once...s:yst[em ov\er:load....

Hmmm, considering that Hot Rats is pretty light on the FZ-as-guitar-God thing (save for "Willie the Pimp"), that would be a pretty odd pick for the list no? Surely Joe's Garage or One Size Fits All would be more appropriate?

http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/14

I write for Dusted, so 'scuse the self-promotion.

Also, what about [i]reverse snobbery[/i]? You know thinking oneself above petty snobbery and thus looking snobbishly down on all the other snobs? If you take that tack you might have a lot of mainstream, populist stuff in your collection.

Hey, can you still get this?! This is punk as fuck. My friend had it in high school. Once we played "Kill A Commie" for a bunch of music students and they turned it off before the song was even finished and it's like 30 seconds or something. Haters. This isn't snob music, it's for real. And there's a band called the Groinoids on it. How classic is that?

If you don't like something just because it's popular, you're a snob. If you like something just because it's not popular, you're a snob.
Still, a snob can own a Missy Eliot record and still be a snob because of their rationale for liking it.

Damn, there are a whole helluva lot of snobs in the world! My dad is a musical snob, who woulda thunk it. He buys <1 cd a year!

is that right?

Derek Bailey
Keiji Haino
Merzbow
Boredoms (in fact, almost anyone Japanese)
Shirley Collins
Edgard Varese
John Cage (tho you don't actually have to listen to him)
LaMonte Young
Albert Ayler

Avoid or denigrate the following to truly re-inforce your MS credentials:

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Anthony Braxton

er...how could they be cds then?

Genres no longer listened to by the true MS because too many other people like them now:
Krautrock
Tropicalia
Easy
Minimalism
New Wave/Post-Punk

Totally beyond the pale:
Scottish/Irish folk music
Bebop
Serialism

suggestions for legitimacy-establishing artists: nick drake, cesaria evora, manu chao, massive attack, debussy, maria calas, ali farka toure, tiranawen, zap maman, jack jonhson, shugga ottis, robert johnson, mahalia jackson, sarah vaughn, nina simona, aretha franklin, lee scratch perry, grand master flash, eddie palmieri and tito puente, ry cooder, elis regina, os tribalistas, caetano veloso, mazzy star, jeff buckley, ryan adam, floetry, fila brazilia, kruder and dorfmeister; chris coco; k west; stereophonics, house martins, radiohead, gorillas.......

now which 12... any random 12....

Miles Davis: On The Corner
Captain Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica (because "Lick My Decals.." is not on CD)
Eno: Discreet Music
Velvet Underground: White Light White Heat
Arnold Schönberg: Suite Opus 29
Aphex Twin: The Richard James Album
The Soft Machine 4
Karlheiz Stockhausen: 4
Neu! : Neu!
Frank Zappa: Lumpy Gravy
Terry Riley: In C
Philip Glass: Einstein On The Beach

Ha ha, OTM, I'm constantly on the look out for those

aftermath

ege bamyasi

music has the right to children

sister

wowee zowee

the clash

songs about fucking

petitioning the empty sky

goat

blue train

parklife

Yellow Magic Orchestra and Wire.

I suppose a true music snob would have original Cassetteboy and old Daniel Johnston tapes as well.

that's a good list. i dunno if it answers the thread question, but it's a good list of music.

Bump!

Just a few that I haven't seen:

Rhys Chatham - Angel Moves Too Fast to See: Selected Works 1971-1989 [Box set]
Nick Lowe - Jesus of Cool
Any early Robyn Hitchcock album
Rhino-issued Art of Field Recording, Vol 1 comp

"Jesus Of Cool" is considered a classic among American powerpop diehards, and I wouldn't call those particularly snobbish.

By personal experience I think music snobs just love to be contrarian jerks and will always pick the obscure underdog or doppelganger of a band. So for example if everybody else in the room thinks The Who or Black Sabbath are excellent, the music snob will say Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Titch and Electric Wizard are way better just because. Or let's suppose someone says something really original like that the Beatles were the best band of all times, the music snob will pick bands from the era which had less wide appeal, like say, the Zombies or the Kinks instead. If the music snob is used to hanging with people with more obscure taste than the usual listener he'll proceed to prove he has the most obscure album of all.

(x-post) Except in America it was titled "Pure Pop For Now People," so the American snob would have the British import.

Luckily for me I hang out with people with little to none interest in music so I very rarely get the chance of being a music snob. Most of the time I'm just telling pubescent Muse fans they should stop listening to that crap and check out Radiohead instead.

By personal experience I think music snobs just love to be contrarian jerks and will always pick the obscure underdog or doppelganger of a band. So for example if everybody else in the room thinks The Who or Black Sabbath are excellent, the music snob will say Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Titch and Electric Wizard are way better just because. Or let's suppose someone says something really original like that the Beatles were the best band of all times, the music snob will pick bands from the era which had less wide appeal, like say, the Zombies or the Kinks instead. If the music snob is used to hanging with people with more obscure taste than the usual listener he'll proceed to prove he has the most obscure album of all.

You mean, contrarian for contrarian's own sake? Like.... ILM? :)

XP: Checking out 90s Radiohead is well worth, but Muse is still an excellent band, and from 2000 onwards have been much better than Radiohead.

xpost um, no it's more that if you like the beatles, you can either listen to nothing else, or find stuff (or be recommended) that's Not the beatles.

It'd be silly to say the Zombies were better than the Beatles, but that Odessey&Oraclw was better than Abbey Road is more of a possibility.

At least it'd be discussable.

More than 10 people in a room all agreeing about The Beatles...

That United States of America album
Bill Fay
The first David Ackles album (''you think Elton John is good?'')
US Maple

An insufferable (wannabe) music snob like me would have

Talk Talk - Laughing Stock

Can - Future Days

Neu 75

The Feelies - Crazy Rythms

The Modern Lovers

Brian Eno - Another Green World

Disco Inferno Go Pop

The Unicorns - Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone?

Every Velvet's LP

Miles Davis - In a Silent Way

The Psychadelic Sounds Of the 13th Floor Elevators

Neutral Milk Hotel - In an Aeroplane Over The Sea

On CD and Vinyl!!

lol i'm down with all those except unicorns which i can't say i've actually heard

I think what's lost in the equation is the "insufferable" qualifier. Most of the above are simply a wide range of good albums that anyone with wide ranging tastes would like. People who are open to a lot of stuff could be called enthusiasts or music geeks, but insufferable snobs? No. To me, insufferable music snobs listen to only one or two genres, like classical/opera and jazz, to the exclusion of all else, because nothing since the early 20th century is worthwhile. Or asshole collectors who only listen to 78-era blues and jazz.

Oh yeah, or modern avant garde like Stockhausen, Riley, Glass etc.

XP: Checking out 90s Radiohead is well worth, but Muse is still an excellent band, and from 2000 onwards have been much better than Radiohead.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro)

I don't hate on Muse fans and I dont mind different opinions. As long as you've checked what Radiohead offer if you still prefer Muse I'm fine with it. I'd check what they are doing right now but I think I'm way past my angst ridden years and I haven't been really interested into straight 'classic' british rock in years. It doesn't seem exciting to me anymore.

imo our straw-snob would have 12 albums all on the same label - huge straw-coup to be able to say "the only label that ever really got it right was" followed by some appropriately you've-heard-of-it-but-not-often name

Van Dyke Parks-Song Cycle
TV On the Radio-Young Liars EP
Boys Next Door-Door, Door
Flaming Lips-Zaireeka
Daft Punk-Alive 1997
Velvet Underground-V.U
Schoolly D-Schoolly D
Tim Buckley-Starsailor
Blade Runner Soundtrack
Beach Boys-Smiley Smile
Joanna Newsom-Have One On Me

00s music snobs don't buy CDs

It would have to be all vinyl cassette.

minidisc u noobs

Results 1 - 10 of about 357 for "contemporary christian music" minidisc with Safesearch on. (0.32 seconds)

i honestly believe sheet music is the only pure music media you vile pabulum lusting worms.

Luckily for me I hang out with people with little to none interest in music so I very rarely get the chance of being a music snob. Most of the time I'm just telling pubescent Muse fans they should stop listening to that crap and check out Radiohead instead.

Radiohead?!?

Luckily for me I hang out with people with little to none interest in music so I very rarely get the chance of being a music snob. Most of the time I'm just telling pubescent Muse fans they should stop listening to that crap and check out Radiohead instead.

Radiohead?!?

― Nathalie (stevienixed)

They are (or were) one of the few bands most music snobs can agree on... right?

not me

MOST music snobs. I think they've experienced some backlash with the passing of time but I remember music snobs around me sort of thought they were ok, not perfect but passable. Their constant worshiping of music genres like serialism, krautrock, idm and free jazz sort of gained them some respect with music snobs (others just thought they were talentless hacks ripping kraut bands off for lack of ideas, and others never cared about them at all).

gotta say I haven't heard a persuasive case against radiohead -- obv. "it doesn't work for me" is as persuasive a case as anyone ever needs to make, but if we're going past that into discussion/debate, I'm unaware of any case to be made that they're unoriginal/dull/less-than-interesting

their palette of moods and lyrical ideas is pretty limited imo, i like some of their stuff but they feel like a one trick pony to me in a lot of ways

that's true but it's a pretty good trick & I think most everybody will cop to that

ehhh...they're definitely the closest thing to a consensus act you can get these days, but i'd still say they're far from airtight or immune to non-challopy criticism

nobody's really airtight though - even approaching anything like consensus = there'll be ppl staking out space on the "I never liked them!" margins for when the artist in question jumps the shark

Oh they certainly aren't airtight or immune to criticism in the least, but I don't really hear them as "one-trick" either. Think they've got more than just one their bag.

I don't really have any criticism of Radiohead I just don't care about them and have never heard anything from them that made me want to listen to an entire album.... it's like their whole critical-consensus building period passed me by entirely. My introduction to them was via Pablo Honey (which my now deceased and incredibly obnoxious freshman-year roommate was very into. oh the times I had to sit through "Creep" being blasted at full volume) and then the Bends came out and I kinda liked that "High and Dry" song. By the time they put out OK Computer I was put off by the Floyd/Dark Side of the Moon comparisons and I just never gave them a second chance. I've heard stuff intermittently since then that was okay, but nothing that really piqued my interest. The set of ideas and references they were working from just seemed kinda moribund and needlessly depressive to me.

like oh you are sad about the modern world and have discovered Can, good for you. I'm not really interested in how rich and depressed and alienated you are, Thom.

Seems like Thom is a music snob himself.

smc I would say if you engaged with the work you'd find more there than you're allowing - along darker axes, ok, but "needlessly depressive"? are ppl supposed to start makin' happy music as soon as they get a label advance? hope not, a lot of my favorite depressed records were made by rich fuxxors like Bowie

or the Kinks

etc

there's also a playful/loony factor in RH's work from Kid A onward that i think gets overshadowed by the whole miserablism stereotype (the latter is totally reasonable, i conceed)

i think i'm with Shakey (i think) in that early Radiohead turned me off so completley that I'd find it nearly impossible to have something in common with even their later, more experimental output. file under: "earlyembarrassingcareerphobia"

file under: "earlyembarrassingcareerphobia"

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haha, but seriously "Creep" is their biggest charting hit (fact check pls?) whereas nobody heard TLG until Bowie was already big.

oh I admit I have not "engaged with the work" and there's two things at play there: one is def "earlyembarrassingcareerphobia" (ie I heard their early stuff and mostly hated it) and the other is that given my "earlyembarrassingcareerphobia" experience I was just kinda more irritated than encouraged by the sheer VOLUME of people rhapsodizing about Radiohead. Now that they are no longer a zeitgeist band this doesn't happen so much but I will need to shed some cultural baggage and find some other angle to approach them from before I can really engage with it. right now I can't say I give a shit.

like too busy listening to Porter Wagoner and Richard Hawley and Little Richard y'know

I keep reading "earlyembarrassingcareerphobia" as an albumj title along the lines of "Cooleyhighharmony" or "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik."

dude Radiohead is way better than Richard Hawley

just sayin

but I can be safe in my assumption that Radiohead is not better than Little Richard or Porter Wagoner eh

imo our straw-snob would have 12 albums all on the same label

AYE j0hn, and that label is WERGO, which I always imagigoogle for Alex's connection threads, without ever hitting anything properly usable ;_;

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are you serious? is 'e fookin' serious? John Cage? fuckin' chance music motherfuck i wouldn't pay 'alf a gallon of piss to listen to that shite and i like David Tudor!

geezus christ give a gorilla a taxicab and next thing you know, corbin bernsen becomes mayor...

are you the moustache guy from trainspotting?

...you're funny. you're a funny man. is that bein' nice? do i come up to you and say 'eh i'm M@tt h3lg35on the hard-on?'.

Jesus criminy i'm in a warehouse of gay lunacy and i've misplaced my fiddle

He's got a point, though. Clearly, a sexplosion doesn't gladly suffer the insufferable (refer to thread title etc).

A few years ago, I counted the pages of an issue of Wire with a) text > 50 words and b) Cage references. The former number was not very much larger than the latter.

(hey sexplosion i was just joshing, no harm meant)

oi it's alright, all water under the bridge mate. for the record i do 'ave a mustache.

So don't I. Wergo though. They rule anyway.

Okay, I was wrong to be surprised by the Radiohead suggestion. It just seemed they were (or are) pretty wellknown, certainly not something a music snob would recommend as they are pretty wellknown. A snob would go for the "real deal" (krautrock,...). In fact I would think that a Muse fan had heard of Radiohead. But I guess I could be wrong. I personally detested them beyond sanity but, again, that's just me. (As a band they evoke the same hatred as Greil Marcus.)

For the music snobs as RYM, Radiohead is actually the one band they namecheck when they want to examplify "indie" (which they mistake for "mainstream") at its worst and most typical. Perhaps because "Kid A" is the best ranking album at RYM of all time.

Otherwise, I am sure G*nd*la B*b's record collection is as good a reference as anything else.

as in inveterate music snob here are the first 12 i can find here:
Heroes & Villains: Powerpuff Girls soundtrack
Django Reinhart: Complete Early Recordings
El Club de los Poetas Violentas: Madrid Zona Bruta
Syd Straw: War and Peace
Cathy Dennis: Move to This
Adrian Belew: Desire of the Rhino King
Carlinhos Brown: Omelete Man
Mariah Carey: Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel
Mel Brooks & Carl Reiner: 2000 Year Old Man
David S. Ware Quartet: Dzo
not bad on the snob tip if i do say so myself

worst ILM thread ever

I was SUPER CURIOUS about your opinion. Thanks for blessing us with it.

lol Mr. Snrub is pointing out what an insufferable music snob would say, Matt

and i was responding in the manner of an insufferable mus...oh forget it. LOVE YA MR SNRUB, RADIOHEAD 4EVAH

Any updates for the 12 from the past 15 years?

a Patrick Cowley, and a Lamonte Young reissue (it me)

Any previous Geese album...

Sophie - Oil of Every Pearl's Un-Insides