POLLow da Don

all classics

1. throw some ds
2. turnin me on
3. promise
4. forever
5. london bridge
6. pimpin all over the world
7. whatever u like

i like to think that polow has had a very positive effect on southern rap music

ahh i totally forgot "get buck", that's in the top 4 or 5 def

woah, is "Love in This Club" really not on your shortlist? it's probably second for me, to "Promise"

idk i guess it's not the smartest but i always liked it

two of my faves, Fallen (Zone 4 Remix) and When I See U (Remix) are not on here

of the ones available I'm gonna go with Promise

i'd be down for a remixes poll

Sorry for any unforgivable omissions

you apologized but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZhbWYiGF0

xxp otm

i like to think that polow has had a very positive effect on southern rap music

otm, i love that man. his verse on "throw some d's" is one of my favourite of the decade

i never slip, i never fall,
a lot of hoes give me they numbers but i never call

and then when those group vocals come in, such a beautiful warm happy moment

i'm gonna break you off (and that's all)
every freak should have a picture of my dick (on they wall)

I really like his verse at the beginning of the Fantasia remixes - he sounds so honest and hurt

wanksta, bustah

wow I never had any idea he did "Neck Of The Woods" and it really sounds nothing like his other stuff!

classic: promise
borderline classic: throw some d's, london bridge
love: buttons, pimpin all over the world, hero
like: turnin' me on, whatever you like, forever, love in this club, never ever
zzz: get buck, cryin out for me, runaway love, neck of the woods
ugh garbage: drop, blindfold me

None of these deserve a vote. Just vocals, bass and drums=way too little.

"Promise" is v textured and melodic imo btw eat shit and die

I think the following are pretty much unimpeachable:

"Promise", "When I See You (Remix)", "Fallen (Remix)", "Pimpin' All Over The World", "Forever", "Buttons", "Throw Some Ds", "Get Buck".

I underrated "Forever" for ages until that amazing SYTYCD Season 4 routine.

"Promise." Then "Throw Some D's"

thankfully you didn't include that dogshit nelly/fergie song

"Promise" over "Throw Some Ds" and "Turnin' Me On"

"Get Up" remix is up their too

there*

shit i forgot about that mario song - another classic

polow did a track for the new weezer album btw

iirc this prod is really dope but is ruined by the rapping of juelz santana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH0hPo8T8m0

nooo juelz is nice on it. let's the beat roll along without distracting you too much.

i voted get buck because it's the first one i fell in love with

i was obsessed with polow like a year or two ago and collected every instrumental of his i could find. i could post some if there's any in particular that people want. he's gotten lazy lately tho, and real fat.

my other favorites are promise, boy looka here, touch that ass, and eve & kelly rowland like this which is sometimes my favorite of all

also obv london bridge is crazy good but i like glamorous just as much.

also never ever and that fantasia remix were among my most played songs in the years they were released. i would just listen over and over

'get buck' is dope, al's rankings are all wrong ... i voted for that, 'forever' #2

Get Up" remix is up their too

― hood acumen (The Reverend), Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:48 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

forgot about this! I have been searching for a > 128 kbps version of this for ages. anyone got one?

Oh Yeah "Like This" and "Get Up (Remix)" are brilliant how could I forget???

omg this amazing poll

1. promise
(2. when i see u (remix))
3. whatever you like
4. get buck
=5. buttons
=5. throw some ds
=5. turnin' me on

^^those are the classic-beyond-classics imo - yes i'm aware i just basically retyped the poll. "whatever you like" goes so ridiculously hard - i love how nicole makes the titular line sound so powerful, nothing submissive about it at all - it's about her all-conquering capabilities.

I CAN SERVE WHITNEY HOUSTON AND BOBBY BROWN - heart "get buck". love the horn line coming in at the last minute too.

"promise" is basically my favourite song of the 00s though. like, the one i'd vote for if i only had one vote. (did it make the pfork list?) (lol forget i asked, don't wanna know.)

forgot about this! I have been searching for a > 128 kbps version of this for ages. anyone got one?

ditto!!!

<3 whatever you like

i love how nicole makes the titular line sound so powerful, nothing submissive about it at all - it's about her all-conquering capabilities.

OTM

lest we forget the AMAZING VIDEO for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4W5J7nkNE

also i must dissent w/the "forever" praise here - i like it ok but if polow has often excelled at making generic beats which are somehow more than what they bite, or the fundamental essence of a sound or something, "forever" just literally sounds like anything else. also, a touch too much autotune.

^^^ I totally agreed with this initially. SYTYCD made me realise it's the real prom scene soundtrack for twenty-eight-five-that-is.

throw some ds or promise. do like buttons too.

'Forever' is first among equals, as it were

mmm, so glad we got ourselves another worthwhile poll thread to recap everything we knew everyone had already said and was gonna say all over again.

having said that though,

- polow's remains one of the most drastic falling-offs i can think of; dunno how far i researched this at the time but i still reckon brian kidd or some other downlow member of backroom staff surely has to retrospectively be given a lot of credit for the best of these.

- totally forgot kelly rowland 'like this' ever existed! ace tune.

- did i ever mention how much i hate 'turning me on'? i really hate 'turning me on'.

i like to think that polow has had a very positive effect on southern rap music

― there's a blap for that (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 October 2009 02:21 (14 hours ago)

expleekay?

yeah dude has definitely fallen off -- even taking into account that i do like "turnin' me on," it's like one hit out of a dozen near misses and miserable failures in the past year or two. that juelz mess is one of the better recent beats i've heard from him, though.

"get buck" is so fucking inert, i like big bassy brass riffs as much as anybody but he does absolutely nothing with it and even without such a boring MC i'm not sure how much potential it'd have.

get buck is a million times better than i remembered. thanks, poll.

also, the synth coda at the end of throw some ds makes it >>>everything else.

the crying out for me beat is great too. i've always really liked wayne's verse on the remix i guess mostly from a formal standpoint

http://www.ozonemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/tpain.jpg
lol

No R. Kelly's Best Friend, no credibility. I'm sorry but that is an unacceptable omission. What is this, Pollow amateur hour?

Polow didn't even produce that song, he was just a guest on it

What is this, amateur hour?

Y'all don't know bupkis about Pollow.

every freak should have a picture of my dick on they poll

"get buck" is so fucking inert, i like big bassy brass riffs as much as anybody but he does absolutely nothing with it and even without such a boring MC i'm not sure how much potential it'd have.

― some dude, Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:01 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is so off, & its before the falloff period anyway ....

i didn't say it wasn't or that that matters, he made mediocre tracks before that and great tracks after

ahh well im listening to get buck now -- i dont know how u can think its 'inert' unless you were never really into brass band stuff, its got a really specific & unique swagger to it

i mean yeah i definitely felt like patting buck on the head and giving him brownie points for making a single that wasn't straight out of the aftermath -_- banger factory and actually somewhat in line w/ what the rest of the south was doing but it was still by no means a particularly great song

xpost -- the drums are that rigid tappa-tappa-tappa thing from a ton of lesser Polow tracks, shit doesn't swagger and me thinking that doesn't mean i've never heard an actual brass band before

i mean not to get all Jordan on y'all but fuck i've PLAYED in a marching band, just because buck had marching drums in the video doesn't mean you can hear them on the song

it's the horns, dummy

if i was gonna give the beat props on anything it's the texture of the organs and vox, the stuff at the beginning of the second verse. there's nothing those farty synth horns do that "Who Run It" and "Sock It To Me" didn't do a trillion times better.

probably gonna be "promise" but i gotta listen to those ludas again

tbh at this point I might prefer "Bed" to "Promise"

LOS did "bed", didnt he? as a complete product, "promise" is 100x better, but i also love "bed" for the fact that it kinda laid the instrumental groundwork for terius/LOS ballads like "purple kisses", which i think's my favorite dream song

yeah, but I definitely hear a Promise influence in "Bed", tbh I think I've just overplayed "Promise"

"Promise" is classic and "Bed" always struck me as a lame retread but none of Los's later similar stuff has that problem for some reason

basically I would just like to listen to more songs with rubbery drums

^^^yeah, i never get tired of that shit

al otm, plus J. Holiday's voice makes me wanna off myself

yeah that's basically why i dont love it like i would otherwise

hah I dunno I was just thinking today how it's a perfect match for the song, but I gotta admit part of it is indulging my lol indie love-weird-voices fetish

man i will never fathom what folks got against 'bed', i love that tune. if you wanna know what a lame 'promise' retread actually sounds like i suggest you skip to a certain track 3 on your beloved electrik red cds HEYO

aww "devotion" is one of my faves

it's definitely influenced by "promise" but wouldnt call it "lame" by any stretch - it works in many of the same ways promise does

i guess after a certain point that sound just became a common template -- i didn't even think of keri's "slow love" in those terms until i saw someone else mention it, before that it was just another nice linndrummy track.

bitin on promise like an
hors
d'oeuvre

yeah sure no doubt you can put together a proper rogues gallery of rank 'promise' rips over the years (that one on timbo shock value springs to mind - brr) but i couldnt resist exposing some devotions. and roll out the "influenced" red carpet if u like but i'm saying 'bed' grew to be way better than just that, the way the heartbeat warmth contributed to the intimacy, the sense of work-all-daytiredness, homecoming, and such.

i think he also wrote the j.holiday, a factoid i'm trying to forget cos that fucking song is so irresistable, especially when you let it be its own homespun karaoke everyman listening to the radio thing. something, i dunno... protean. like, the bed as a restful thing too! i dunno.

and this is gonna sound strange but i really like the bit in the video where he's driving thru the desert and passes this giant white oil tanker. this big functional thing, going somewhere and back. making glugging noises. just like the song!! haha i think i've turned it into wichita lineman or something.

― r|t|c, Friday, 17 August 2007 10:10 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i just think it struck more chords than the "lol letz bang" one everyone seems to only hear, basically

yeah "bed" is one of his best songs- at least that airy, soft lushness that los has made a career out of has never really made more sense than on the song called "bed"

"never really made more sense than on the song called "bed""

sounds like pre-emptive end-of-decade list blurb writing lol.

er i meant "slow dance" not "slow love" -- got prince on the brain today clearly

heard "bed" on the radio the other day and cruised to it w/ more ease than i ever did when the song was out. still hate terius's sad little "ooh ooh" backup vocals though.

i will say it works way better w/ j. holiday than it would've if they did let chris brown take it, which is a frightening idea really

Yeah, I have no problem with "Bed" as a tune, just as a performance.

"Promise" pretty obviously became the default template for late-2000s slow jams, so ragging on any particular song for sounding like it is kinda pointless.

well "Bed" was the first seeming copy (although who knows it coulda been made before that), so that's why I guess it gets the most flak

should i do a thread thats like POX R&B traxxx 2005-2009

xp I definitely felt that way at the time, but I'm more talking about your 87th late-2000s bump-n-grind that sounds like "Promise" than the first on the pile.

should i do a thread thats like POX R&B traxxx 2005-2009

― i got nothin (deej), Saturday, 10 October 2009 18:24 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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i have to say rev's notion that the 'promise' pattern became or is still part of the general r&b vocabulary the same way that tablas or rave shit or whatever did really doesnt ring true for me. if anything it seems like whoever employs it is tryna profit off that move's lack of successful trendyness, as if they were hoping that ppl either hadnt heard or had forgotten the previous iterations - absolutely there's a nu school (or retro school) of pillowy largesse that 'promise' signifies and maybe is responsible for, but the actual drum pattern itself imo is not canon as such, hence it being so egregious to me every time.

one recent incidence where 'promise' is a clear thing at play but doesnt come across as a bite is this mmts one off anticipation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mgozHw9CLw

surely its evident to ppl how much more is happening there with it than in 'devotion' though?

lol trey's talky flow is always so embarrassing though

lol that song's dogshit - that cavernous post-"promise" beat's alright but what al says kinda reminds me of the direction i hope dream never really goes in (cf "hit it on the road")

uh hello am i saying anything about trey songz not being a twerp? does anyone give a shit about your latest irrelevant UHH UHH I HOPE TERIUS DOES OR DOESNT DO SOMETHING OR OTHER boner? pair of fucking geniuses over here.

i mean tbf rtc, you can't get all u mad when your whole reputation & posting style is staked on contraristanning for shit nobody cares about

contraristanning!!

btw had no idea polow did "i think i love her" -- nicely anonymous that one

i'm really okay with people biting "promise" over & over - it's a great template imo, not sure if anything will ever top it per se but "devotion" and "bed" and the trax of 'fantasy ride' that are obv trying to re-write it are pretty good. "devotion" has more dynamic vocals & lyrics than your average "promise" bite (maybe even better than "promise" itself) which is why i think it transcends.

which FR songs would you say are trying to rewrite "promise", j? Did polow do anything besides "never ever"?

well, "lover's thing" is one of the most transparent "promise" rips ever considering whose album it's on (altho it's besides the point imo since it's one of the best songs on the album) and "keep dancing on me" has that same glistening sorta atmosphere but is a bit different sonically

yeah sarge guess ur right, my stanning's totally not getting thru to people - maybe if i spent all day transcribing mmts lyrics that'd...? anyway look if u read what i said i am not actually stating the songz cut is objectively better than the e.r (even if i happen to find it so), i'm using it as an example of an alternate 'promise' genaeology that isnt so slavishly note-for-note; you might be okay with it as a template but rev as i read him was arguing for it being something more intrinsic than that.

also OMG did you just say 'devotion' might be better than 'promise' WHY AM I EVEN TALKING TO YOU

hell of a thing that my "whole reputation and posting style" doesnt seem to include my saying how much of an unpleasant dick i've found trey songz for the last howeverfuckingmany years btw.

so, this poll

also OMG did you just say 'devotion' might be better than 'promise' WHY AM I EVEN TALKING TO YOU

― r|t|c, Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:36 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah not at all. "promise" is way better at the very least by virtue of coming first. lyrically & vocally i think it could be argued that "devotion" is more impressive. "promise" to me is just a virtuosic producer and his most virtuosic.

the word "just" kind of degrades how amazing and singular and groundbreaking i think the production is

fwiw i think you're otm with this

if anything it seems like whoever employs it is tryna profit off that move's lack of successful trendyness, as if they were hoping that ppl either hadnt heard or had forgotten the previous iterations

not to put too fine a point on it but 'promise' trounces 'devotion' line for line and e.r deliver not a single one of those to the effect ciara achieves. i seriously can scarcely believe i find myself even having to argue that here.

WELL i was never a huge fan of ciara as a vocalist so i think if anything her & e-red break even. "devotion" might have weaker lyrics overall due to stuff like the hors d'oeuvres line but i love the "expose my devotion" lyric above all

if someone were perhaps to say to me that 'devotion' is essentially a sex tune that explicitly riffs on promise for jokey effect then we might be getting somewhere. other than the main chorus lyric and the obvious beat bite there's little else similar enough to compare between the two.

ie ciara concerns herself with the nature and shape of her devotion; e.r. are more interested in what happens when you get to the bedroom afterwards. you can have that for free; now aren't i generous?

man i think "jokey effect" is totally missing the point - besides (heyyy LOS-produced) "9 to 5", it's easily the most earnest and vulneralble song on the album. i get why you might find it corny or lame in light of its obvious "promise" debt, but on its own terms it works just fine imo

xp yeah no argument but are you gonna hold the clear aesthetic differences between the two artists against e.r.? is ciara's song inherently better cuz there's not as much of a sexual implication?

put the kitchen knife down dude, i'm not using jokey to mean corny or lame. (this is the scenario i suggested where you guys win remember!) tbh i'm unsure as to what you hear as vulnerable in 'devotion' exactly, is it just the "pin me to the wall" and idea of "exposure"? because how i'm hearing it, your girls have all of that - and whoever they're addressing - well under control; those lines are coquettish treats in the middle of an assured, practically boastful, come-on, and the slyness of their knockabout references to 'promise' are marked evidence of that confidence.

like i say, under those circumstances i accept that 'devotion' succeeds at what it wants to do - something very different to ciara in other words. however 'promise' is superior to me because its a grander and more challenging statement to make convincingly, which it does completely and purely, and without recourse to referencing something already known. in fact the whole song is about diving into the unknown - giddy and wary and totally, utterly sure of itself by the time it finishes.

"easily the most vulnerable song on the album besides 9-5" as well! 'so good', 'freaky freaky', 'bed rest'... nuh uh dude, and i'm just flicking thru it over here.

I adore "Promise" but it didn't strike me as the start of a trend so much as the culmination, in my head I always associate it with Tim & Bob, "Backstroke" etc. And then as can happen with culminations one everyone goes "yeah that tune got it right" they start recreating it much more specifically.

wtf is "Backstroke"?

teedra moses

mm yeah i do take the point that 'promise' never came across as an ab nihilo paradigm shift or anything, but i find it extremely hard to constellate a lineage - however intuitive - all the same. i even recall a few internets people having 'promise' down as little more than a 'one in a million' throwback, and there's an obvious element of truth in that of course.

as you know i always took that brief tim & bob period for a hangover of easternism moreso than anything, and though it works undeniably now as a rhetorical pointer i still can't help feeling it's being taken out of context somewhat. this would really be a pointless disagreement to keep having though so whatever!

incidentally, jasper cameron who co-wrote/produced/who knows 'promise' has been part of lloyd's production team since the beginning, and i could definitely argue a case for those relevant strands (let's say uh utopian futurism, 80sness (promise as bangles' eternal flame!), easty stuff) being particularly noticeable throughout his career. (his wiki also says he did tiffany evans 'lay back chill and be free'! - which people once again refused to give a shit about despite my ardent stansmanship.)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qz3m_aaliyahone-in-a-million-promise-rem_music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL1lrRozmsI

what i especially like about the latter is how it locates the vocoder in 'promise' as merely a devante swing hallmark, rather than a daft punkian 80s move - still though i think it's too broad and poppy a counterpoint to ciara to quite be tucked away like that.

Even though I view it more as a thing unto itself now, when "Promise" came out I assumed it was trying to sound like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuJ16Tabbk

Which I'm sure is the reference point for Devante, too.

teedra moses

― i got nothin (deej), Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:49 AM Bookmark

Oh, sorry, I forgot about the huge impact, influence, and popularity of Teedra Moses. She really set the trends.

And yeah, completely agreed with RTC about Tim & Bob as easternism hangover, although I guess they did take that in a bit more lush and prettified direction.

man, anytime i take a secular line on pixelcloudz and someone else comes clattering in after me i feel like such a child murderer :(

tru enough about troutman as the reasonable middle ground to what i wz saying anyway, although i do feel devante took it in a different direction. (have not thought through this point at all btw.)

I suppose in Devante's case there may be a "via-Teddy Riley" in there somewhere. Can you articulate the different direction you feel Devante took it in?

rev i dont think tim was making a pt about the 'huge impact, influence and popularity of teedra moses' fwiw

not that she was exactly some mysterious ??? figure to R&B fans ... ive met irl teedra moses fans

funny thing is i couldn't remember which one on her album was "backstroke" and listened to it today and man i can't even figure out what the connection between that and "promise" is, pretty vague link there

i think its more about the mood of the song than some production technique or something, i see where hes coming from w/ that ... its kind of like sensuous-evocative or something

yeah...it just confused me since all the other songs in the discussion had a more concrete similarity.

I'm not saying "woah they are all the same" - just that I don't think "Promise" exactly announced a new direction in R&B, it just perfected a general vibe of intoxicating lushness that various producers and artists had been going for for a while. I guess that's a pointless truism on some level 'cos you can keep going further back in time and finding more and more precedents ("Rock The Boat" etc.).

Probably my perspective is informed by having made a mixtape of this kind of stuff (incl. Ashanti stuff like "Voodoo", Mya's "It's All About Me", the original version of "Dip It Low", written by Teedra/Poli...) just before Ciara's "Promise" came out i'm pretty sure.

Yeah it's right that a certain easternism hangover, er, hangs over a lot of that stuff, but only because that was the perhaps the most accepted means by which to convey this kind of decadant slowjam vibe in the mid-00s. A lot of the second album Bobby Valentino stuff kinda shifts that vibe to a more straightforward stripjoint at the bottom of the ocean (i.e. polow) feel, and while in one sense this proves the centrality and importance of "Promise" it also reveals how small a distance there was b/w the two.

I think r|t|c even made some joke about people confusing paul poli with polow da don, though that may just be due to the names.

I'm not trying to disprove anyone's point - more just saying that at the time "Promise" was like this moment where a lot of the different things I was listening for in R&B at that point suddenly snapped into a perfect single articulation. This strikes me as probably more important than "announcing a new direction" anyway.

I guess for me, "Promise" marks the shift in the default slow jam template from mid-00s pretty easternisms to the late-00s layered-synth style that Terius and his cohort would pick up the ball and run with. (I think "My Love" is important in that shift, too.)

see to me that seems a generalisation a thousand times vaguer than the pixelcloudz one... maybe we should all just quit while we're ahead huh.

tim yeah i tried to find where you posted that tape tracklist when you first mentioned teedra! if you remember where it's @ can u repost??

also did the electrik red crew take their ball and go home or what

::shrugs:: we like "devotion" and you don't, do we need to hash that out further?

ilm, ladies & gentlemen.

i mean i probably wouldn't like it as a single and maybe would think of it as an inferior "promise" but i think it works well in the context of the album, it's good to have a track like that in there

be that scintillating insight as it may, the whole point of the discussion is about assessing the merits of 'devotion' through comparison to 'promise'. also can we dead this bitchmade shit of reducing everything i (or anyone else who dissents from yessed-out holding hands and sincerely tries to back their pov up) say to "wahh you don't like it" cos it's really not that.

(first person to post fourfour's "i'm not here to make friends" youtube comp gets a cookie)

whatever man, i was being live and let live because i can see both sides of the argument and don't really feel it's a song worth dissecting on that level to defend or attack. can't win for forfeiting with you though, i guess.

i mean hate on my shrugging half-assed diplomacy if you like but there's nothing remotely "wahh" about it

see to me that seems a generalisation a thousand times vaguer than the pixelcloudz one...

no idea what you're talking about, pretty sure I've never used the term or alluded to the idea of "pixelcloudz" ever

it's a circa 2007 finney & zemko neologism for tim & bob lushness imo oh fuck now i'm speaking their language

can't believe it took this long for someone to clock this was all just a ruse to publicise our old beats tbh

idk if i can justify this but i def remember "promise" seeming rather more sui generis at the time than the culmination/start of anything else particularly

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Ha I just found where I posted the tracklist for that comp: on the thread for Ciara's "Promise"...

Christina Milian - Dip It Low (Original Version) (the one with less beats)
Mya & Sisqo - It's All About Me
Janet Jackson - Empty
Ginuwine - So Anxious
Ashanti - Voodoo
Amira - My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)
Amerie - Need You Tonight
Teedra Moses - Backstroke
Wayne Wonder - You Make My Life Complete
Nicole Wray - Make It Hot
Bobby Valentino - Give Me A Chance
Nivea & R Kelly - Laundrymat
Nicole Wray & Mike Jones - It's A Man's World
Kylie Dean - Keep It Moving
Sadie ft. Kano - So Sure (Target Remix)
Teedra Moses - Complex Simplicity
Ashanti - Rescue Me

I'd do it differently now obv.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

yeah i f/w these results, even if personally i hold "promise" a little dearer

I think I actually rate the remix of "Get Up" slightly above "Promise" even, if only for the way it balances its smothering softness with the original version's energy, while simultaneously just being so much better than the original. But then maybe it's because I came to it later and so have listened to it a lot more than "Promise" in the last two years or so.

it's not that much better than the original!!

maybe i would think it was if i had a version of it which was >>>128 fucking kbps (HINT)

the og is oddly underrated though, love it when it goes all pastoral and sweet

Well, I'd say the original is great whereas the remix kinda changes my life every time I listen to it.

I think my version is 128kps, but I'm the anti-Nick Southall when it comes to such things.

i'm anti-southall when it comes to being an insane audiophile but if i can barely hear the track - esp when it's the production i'm listening to - it's not ever going to be lifechanging, really

Ha I listen to 96kps uk funky sets and have my life changed all the time so 128kps seems like audophile heaven.

also audiophile heaven.

relistening to it now and it just hisses so much that it's sort of unlistenable. and those dramatic synth bursts sound like they could be so amazing if there was any depth or richness to them. why do we have to even put up with shitty mp3s in this decade anyway.

xps yeah idk how you can do that either, 96kbps is just not going in my ears. how do you even hear the details or the bass or ANYTHING in that?!

I actually have a whole ideological position re the overemphasis of the importance of bass missing the point w/r/t funky that I won't bore everyone with here. But that notwithstanding, yeah, you're right, it's annoying, but if I didn't listen I would never have heard amazing tunes like Scotty D's refix of Armand Van Helden's "Mother Earth".

Back to "Get Up (Remix)", I really do think it's twinkliness (leaving aside the hiss) mixed with its propulsiveness is kinda remarkable. Very few songs I can think of that really capture that vibe so successfully, though Teedra's "Last Day" would be one (apologies some dude).

maybe i would think it was if i had a version of it which was >>>128 fucking kbps (HINT)

― lex pretend, Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^^^

I found some 192 kbps ones awhile back, but I think they were just transcoded from the original 128 kbps one, which I think was just a Myspace rip anyway...

someone should break into polow's cave and steal the masters

soz 4 lateness on this (went on hols), funny that 'throw some ds' won this since i kinda quite never considered it part of the polow canon (sampled beat and only a co-production i think?). plus lol at polow dropping this 'promise' jack right after the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbauX5wmga4

superbanger imo tho!!

Ha I just found where I posted the tracklist for that comp: on the thread for Ciara's "Promise"...

Christina Milian - Dip It Low (Original Version) (the one with less beats)
Mya & Sisqo - It's All About Me
Janet Jackson - Empty
Ginuwine - So Anxious
Ashanti - Voodoo
Amira - My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)
Amerie - Need You Tonight
Teedra Moses - Backstroke
Wayne Wonder - You Make My Life Complete
Nicole Wray - Make It Hot
Bobby Valentino - Give Me A Chance
Nivea & R Kelly - Laundrymat
Nicole Wray & Mike Jones - It's A Man's World
Kylie Dean - Keep It Moving
Sadie ft. Kano - So Sure (Target Remix)
Teedra Moses - Complex Simplicity
Ashanti - Rescue Me

I'd do it differently now obv.

― Tim F, Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:38 AM (1 month ago)

can we make some additions to this, re: promise bites?

most (or maybe all) of those are pre-"Promise"

that's my point dude

im asking for examples since then, besides the obv already covered itt

"little freak" is not the post-"spotlight" comeback i was hoping for :(. the Stevie sample feels forced and (though i usually don't buy this kind of argument) i get kind of queasy thinking about its recontextualization for a song that goes "let her put her hands in your pants/be my little freak." also it intuitively seems like a bad sign when you need to cop the only semblance of melody in your beat from a song that famous