best song blocked from #1 on the Hot 100 by the Black Eyed Peas in 2009

I've come to think that Pitbull track is the most fun pop hit of this year. Foxx is good too, could do w/o the rest, haven't even heard the Miley.

some good songs here. "blame it" is my #1 of the year but i was really rooting for pit to hit #1 so i'm gonna vote for that. also yes it's a remarkably fun song, the verses are mad lol & carefree.

drake is also def in my top 10 and miley might be too. taylor song is dope. could do without jay.

also really shocked that it took pitbull until this joint to figure out that he could invert "cockpit" to "pit's cock"

best time for the Pitbull track is when you are dancing with someone you really want to blap and singing it back and forth with that person

do you personalize it and say "when i put it in your mouth i got you sayin duh-nuh-nuh-nuh"

Taylor Swift for sure, probably my song of the year (whatever that really means).

xp wrong Pitbull song?

sorry i misread it as "best time for a Pitbull track"

Some great stuff here but Drake!

"blame it" just edging "you belong with me" - the latter is, incredibly, only like the 5th or 6th best song off taylor's album.

they're all good pop songs except the jay-z though.

title of this thread should be

best song blocked from #1 on the Hot 100 by the SHIT MOSNTER sometimes referred to as the Black Eyed Peas in 2009

I feel like I should love the Pitbull song, but I can't stand it. Tempted to vote for "Run This Town" just because of the unintentional hilarity of Ye's verse (there was a very flat-chested girl in my high school they called "bee stings") and Rihanna's hook. Really though, Ms. Swift deserved that number 1 spot.

The Pitbull song is so much fun when it comes on the radio, but I think making number 1 would have drawn undue attention to its slightness.

Taylor just over "Blame It" and Miley. I can't figure out why that Pitbull song annoys me so much. Was OK with it when it first came out and now I almost always change the station when it comes on.

lol of course I'm the only person on ILM who likes the new Jay-Z track

(voted Pitbull)

title of this thread should be

best song blocked from #1 on the Hot 100 by the SHIT MOSNTER sometimes referred to as the Black Eyed Peas in 2009

― samosa gibreel, Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:50 AM Bookmark

man, you REALLY must dislike BEP more than anybody here, hoo boy

lol could a band named shit monster hit #1? we'll probably never know.

this is kind of amazing, three of my absolute favorite singles of the year are up here. gonna have to go with taylor over foxx; i prefer the nicki minaj version of "best i ever had" so that works against it. pitbull, miley and jay are all boring 5/10s

I messed up and left out "Knock You Down", which got stuck at #3 behind "Boom Boom Pow" and "I Gotta Feeling"

(also lol of course I'm the only person on ILM who still likes BEP)

naw, I like some of their songs (including "Boom Boom Pow"), but damn if this summer hasn't been a doozy

i still don't get that pitbull song...really like "hotel room service" though. "blame it" is the only one of these songs I like more than "i gotta feeling."

MAZELTOV

Am I the only one annoyed that the title isn't "I Got a Feeling", but rather "I Gotta Feeling", which is ungrammatical even taking account for the colloquialism?

xp: "Hotel Room Service" is so annoying and awful

i always notice it but it never really annoys me. when there are a hundred other songs out there already called "i got a feeling" and "i've got a feeling" it's kind of shrewd to come up with a more unique variation imo.

i don't mind "boom boom pow" but "i gotta feeling" sucks and i don't get why the mazeltov bit is meant to be so good. weirdly for such a wilfully obnoxious group their album is just...solid, vaguely hooky but not particularly memorable or charismatic pop.

The thing that makes the "MAZELTOV" part so great is Fergie's cracked-out "DRANK!" that occurs right before it.

naw, it's the autotuned "l'chaaaiiim" that follows it

xp: "Hotel Room Service" is so annoying and awful

― hood acumen (The Reverend), Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:23 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm kinda in between on this - i think those farty synth horns are awesome but everything else is kind of lackluster. all the quoting.

yeah fergie is hilarious on that song

title of this thread should be

best song blocked from #1 on the Hot 100 by the SHIT MOSNTER sometimes referred to as the Black Eyed Peas in 2009

― samosa gibreel, Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:50 AM Bookmark

man, you REALLY must dislike BEP more than anybody here, hoo boy

― hood acumen (The Reverend), Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:04 PM (3 hours ago)

lol no but i'd bet good money i like using the word shit monster more than anybody here

the post was 50% bep hate, 50% shit monster love, if you want to put it that way

fair

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

1. Taylor Swift, "You Belong With Me"
2. Pitbull, "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)"
3. Miley Cirus, "Party in the U.S.A."
4. Jay-Z f/ Rihanna & Kanye West, "Run This Town"
5. Jamie Foxx f/ T-Pain, "Blame It"
6. Drake, "Best I Ever Had"

man this new peas single sounds kind of awesome

Which one? "Meet Me Halfway"?

I like "Imma Be" too.

1 Jamie Foxx f/ T-Pain, "Blame It"
2 Taylor Swift, "You Belong With Me"
3 Jay-Z f/ Rihanna & Kanye West, "Run This Town"
4 Pitbull, "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)"
5 i gotta feeling
6=Drake, "Best I Ever Had"
6=Miley Cirus, "Party in the U.S.A."

i actually like that pitbull more than 'run this town' but timbo is spot on about overweighting it.

Is there a reason we're all supposed to hate "Run This Town" btw?

'imma be' is a perfect example of the vague cynical/selfdeferential processes that come across to me as forever going on in the mind of will i am. (i'm not saying the switch in the middle is a pinnacle of avantitude or that will i am is some sort of fascinating, marmoreally inscrutable secret auteur, but he's just interestingly difficult to psychoanalyse compared to your average innit.)

xp in a popchart context nah not at all really; in an irritated haze of thwarted history of jigga kinda tedium i can fathom it. are you more at a "oh nice, jay has a new album out i shall get round to checking that" stage? tbh i tend to have it down as a rihanna song anyway.

Exactly it's a rihanna song, I barely notice jay on it.

wait do you like "imma be" or hate it?

even as a Rihanna song it kind of sucks though imo, like 30% of the song is just her going "heeeeeeey" in the dreariest way possible

You just described most Rihanna songs!

erm the first half of 'imma be' i find stupefyingly useless, but then the drop is like um whoa and by the time i'm hmmm-ing at end of it i can't really remember where i was on the page. i...guess... that means i like it?

ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah

is imma be the new single?

I keep hearing it as "I'm a bee" and imagining some Bee Movie 2 tie-in

somehow i suspect they're cognizant of that association

http://www.thehypefactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the-black-eyed-peas-imma-be-500x499.png

btw "meet me halfway" is the new single, "imma be" was a buzz (haha) single that was released to iTunes and charted shortly before the album release

the bit where fergie's murmuring "fuego... crazeee... locaaaa..." is just excellent.

haha okay I should just break down and buy this album

so it's kind of odd that the one detail I immediately picked out of "Meet Me Halfway" is the "Maps"-esque guitar, right

the one time i sat thru the album i found it so overstuffed i couldnt really begin to pick stuff out, but now i'm putting on 'meet me halfway' out of context it's great! feeling it more on a gwen stefani/cyndi lauper tip than karen o but okay.

There's a direct quote from Cyndi in there. (Big massed background vocals on BEP = guitar solo from "Time After Time".)

tbh like 80% of all warm gooey synth R&B tunes of the past couple years make me think of "time after time" to the point that i have no idea when it's intentional and when it's not

Is there a reason we're all supposed to hate "Run This Town" btw?

― Tim F, Monday, October 12, 2009 5:42 AM Bookmark

Leaden beat, awful rapping from dudes who used to be good-to-virtuosic, the whole dreary Rihanna "heeyyeeeyaayeeyaay" thing, general induction of depression.

so... no

Gahhhh, I just figured it out. The beat sounds like some late-period Eminem "Mockingbird"-type shit.

lol same tempo means they're the same! music boxes and guitars sound exactly alike!

Is there a reason we're all supposed to hate "Run This Town" btw?

― Tim F, Monday, October 12, 2009 5:42 AM Bookmark

That Kanye thinks he is some sort of FREAKIN GENIUS for telling Reebok that they could switch it up a little and make trainers without 'shoestrings'?

it's probably Kanye's best beat on BP3 but that really isn't saying much

I mean it's not like it's the greatest song in the world or anything but on a poll with Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus on it, pretty much any terrible Jay-Z song is going to come across well let alone one that's just decent.

uh no

the one time i sat thru the album i found it so overstuffed i couldnt really begin to pick stuff out

same here - it's like only after i've heard BEP songs as singles do they really sound like proper entities. whether that's sounding a lot better than they do on the album ("meet me halfway" is suddenly amazing) or a lot worse (didn't realise just how bad "i gotta feeling" was until hearing it on the radio randomly)

i only out-and-out like one song of these 6, and have limited tolerance for a lot of the other artists, but i would still say "Run This Town" is my least favorite of them by some distance.

srsly what sort of bizarre spell is Miley Cyrus casting on you ppl

everything about her is abysmal and unforgivable

have no real interest in her as an artist but she's made some good singles

i was more objecting to the taylor diss but we've talked about that enough

"party" is 2nd from bottom, but the synth line is cooler than anything going on in the "run this town" beat imo

wikipedia

The song is a remix of "75, Brazil Street" by Nicola Fasano Vs Pat Rich, which itself samples "Street Player" by Chicago. For the release by Pitbull, the sample of "Street Player" was replayed by Mark Summers at Scorccio Sample Replays. The replay has since become the most successful usage of any sample replay in history.

WTF does that mean?!?!

and yeah "run this town" is the worst song on this list, at least tied w/ miley. rev otm, most of those sentiments can be applied to that whole awful album

xxp

i hate when anyone rhymes "monkey" with "donkey"

i hate when anyone calls a vagina a "monkey"

the black eyed peas' reign at the very least kept out a song out of number one where someone refers to a vagina as a "monkey"

replaying a sample is just an interpolation, and there have to have been loads of interpolations that have been more successful, so who knows what that's about

I think what they're trying to say it's the most successful song with a "sample" where, instead of using the source recording, session musicians have rerecorded the selected hook and that new recording was used in the track. Whether the success claim is true or not, I don't know.

also i wouldn't be surprised if the author of that particular wiki edit was one Mark Summers at Scorccio Sample Replays

lol same tempo means they're the same! music boxes and guitars sound exactly alike!

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Monday, October 12, 2009 11:20 AM Bookmark

Sorry, I forgot that music with different instruments in it can't have the same effect, you jackass.

Jay-Z bragging about how awesome he is always is and will always be more listenable than Eminem talking about his daughter, regardless of what is going on in the beat.

True, except he no longer sounds anywhere remotely good doing that.

He sounds good enough, is the thing

http://blackberryrocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/wrap-it-up-box-blackberry-app-300x232.gif

i hate when anyone calls a vagina a "monkey"

Did anyone tell George Michael?

why can't you do it
why can't you set your vagina free
always giving in to it
do you love the vagina or do you love me

... doesn't quite scan

and he was such a convincing spokesman.

He sounds good enough, is the thing

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Monday, October 12, 2009 12:13 PM Bookmark

He sounds pitiful.

i've been thinking about it, the constant "w'SUP"s on RTT might actually be worse than the constant "AUH!"s on DOA

He sounds exactly like he's always sounded!

Nothing is worse than the constant "AUH!"s on DOA.

xp You have cloth for ears.

listen to any pre-whiney and whispery Jay-Z stuff from before 2003 back to back with the new album

he had such a great command of his tone and such precision with his rapping from like '97 to '02

i keep feeling like at some point in the next few years there's gonna be some Michael J. Fox-style reveal where it turns out Jay-Z's been hiding some kind of illness all along and i'll feel bad for wondering how someone can just hit their late '30s and suddenly always sound kind of sluggish and out of breath

Guys I hate to break this to you but Jay-Z was never actually the greatest MC in the game, even back when everyone and their mom repped for him.

on a pure technique level bar for bar yeah he's by no means anywhere near the greatest (careerwise maybe but that's a whole different thing) but he still used to be a hell of a lot better than he is now.

He also used to be younger! Remember when Axl Rose debuted his new iteration of Guns N Roses on MTV and tried to do "Welcome To The Jungle" but only could get through the first two lines? Age happens, sorry!

Not only can he no longer rap at 1/10th of the level he used to, he can't write at 1/10th of the level he used to, either.

xp: There are a hell of a lot of rappers over 35 who are rapping better than Jay-Z.

And they rapped better than Jay-Z when they were under 35, too!

we're talking about deterioration from year to year within one rapper's career, not comparing one to the other.

Yeah, and my point is really that I have always thought Jay-Z is enjoyable enough but has been consistently overrated. I don't think he's had some massive deterioration in quality; I think people have gotten tired of the one thing he does, which is mutter into the mic and say "uh-huh" a lot.

I don't even know where to begin with that one.

take your time, we've got all week

So what you're saying is your ear for what makes a good or bad vocalist when it comes to singing doesn't extend to rapping at all.

hahaha

do we have to do this in every thread

dan's right, jay-z does say "uh-huh" a lot

what I'm saying is that you guys have been on Jay-Z's dick for a decade when he's only ever just been okay, so now that he's doing shit that's just okay you all are having a hysterical overreaction like he ate your dog as opposed to dude is older and putting out okay, not-particularly-special tracks

He used to say "uh-huh" (and "auh!" and "w'SUP" and "yessss") a lot less, dude has just not adapted well to the ad lib era. (xpost)

That argument doesn't even make sense. He declined from just okay to just okay, so we're overreacting?

It's not like there's just some fanatical wing of disillusioned Jay-Z stans that think almost everything from Kingdom Come onward is dogshit.

no rev--its that he says "uh-huh" a lot, and its only dawned on us now

now that's he's doing shit that pretty much anyone who listened to it would say was at best okay, is how that should be read

dan what the hell are you talking about

He also used to be younger! Remember when Axl Rose debuted his new iteration of Guns N Roses on MTV and tried to do "Welcome To The Jungle" but only could get through the first two lines? Age happens, sorry!

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Monday, October 12, 2009 4:16 PM (14 minutes ago)

you're saying we should go easy on the dude cuz he's older?

my point being, aside from a couple of songs that I liked more for the beat than him, I have always thought Jay-Z was at best okay, and I continue to think he's okay, which is miles better than god awful Miley Cyrus or boring-ass Taylor Swift

http://www.spursdynasty.com/uploaded_images/hartman_sinatra-778150.jpg

"it's all pops and whistles and uh huhs"

this is a weird argument

Dan, if you don't get a lot out of Jay-Z, that's fine, but the problem with all of your arguments is that they assume that no one can legitimately get more out of him than you do.

what a retarded avenue for this thread to go down

You're misreading the imperative in my arguments, which I am using for emphasis. I am fully aware that I'm presenting an opinion and I don't expect for you to agree with me; it would be nice to not be called a jackass in the course of conversation or have people denigrate how I appreciate hip-hop but clearly that's beyond you guys.

forgetting what jay-z sounds like or how constipated his ad-libs sound now, it's undeniable that if you read his lyrics on paper with your own voice that they are empirically better than his lyrics now, by miles even. it's not even arguable. not even the biggest jay-z fan in the world would argue it. the rest of us find him more intolerable than ppl who still jock him, and on top of it he's not even making good pop songs anymore. sure, he's old but he's still "important" and there are still tons of critics who give him a pass (cf 'american gangster') that it's still worth talking about.

xpost

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=68974

(I should say, I am fully aware I'm presenting a minority opinion blah blah etc etc, Miley still sucks)

continue adding to the conversation Whiney, it's very enlightening

i always thought jay-z was a little boring

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what was your opinion again? that jay-z used to be overrated but now he's underrated but he's actually been the same the whole time and we should cut him some slack because heyyy it aint his fault he's getting old! Right

lol xposts

whiney it's nice that someone made a gif of your 14th birthday party

My main opinion was "I like 'Run This Town' and it's certainly a better song than the boring Taylor Swift song and the godawful horrible Miley Cyrus song."

My baseline opinion on Jay-Z is "he's a decently-talented dude who blew up, got super overhyped and now is getting backlash" and there's no real connecting narrative to the comments I've put on this thread surrounding his career because I do not have a Jay-Z thesis.

Taylor Swift song is pretty sweet tho

Sorry for calling you a jackass, I just thought the comment that was in responce to was really condescending, not that either of us hasn't said anything more so as the argument has progressed. Btw, I don't recall ever saying anything in support of Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus, the latter of whom I've never knowingly heard, so keep on strawmanning.

My baseline opinion on Jay-Z is "he's a decently-talented dude who blew up, got super overhyped and now is getting backlash"

No one's backlashing against stuff he made when he was actually good.

thats a really short career arc for a dude whos been around 12 years

Which pretty much means that there is no Jay-Z backlash, people are just taking his individual works for what they are.

guys, jamie foxx is the clear winner so it doesn't even matter

blame it on the ah

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alcohol

Something often missing from the Jay-Z debate is how he went from being a dude who was open to new things and trying to get people to listen to Juve or UGK or Kanye chipmunk shit or whatever to this new 'old man shouts at cloud' oh noes i can't deal with autotune, bring back proper rap produced by proper musicians who listen to coldplay.

I am not strawmanning anyone, I am giving you the context in which I was making my argument about "Run This Town".

i think its kind of funny that "who's gonna run this town tonight?" ends up sounding like an open question, which is not the intent i don't think.

man tbh I think yr losing a lot of ppl @ "decently talented" but to each his own

I will agree that Kanye sounds like a total fucking idiot but even on most of his good songs he sounds like a total fucking idiot and I don't think that's a super-controversial position to take...

I miss the monoculture.

Kanye used to be an often funny and occasionally poignant total fucking idiot, though. Now he just sounds like a total fucking idiot.

I don't think he's suited to guest spots.

I'm sure I could think of some exceptions if I really wanted to, but he never really has been, no.

he's great on the estelle song

haha I wouldn't call "not as embarrassing as he usually is" great but again, YMMV

rev still otm, but thats the exception that bljdil;vboub

what is this YMMV shit?

he's great on the estelle song

and I don't mind him on The-Dream's "Walkin' on the Moon."

lol kids today

is YMMV Roman Numerals for "I don't understand rap?"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YMMV

btw how is your "I'm going to be less of a dick online" campaign going

"your mileage may vary"

Just listened to a couple early Kanye guest spots to be sure (Dilated Peoples, "This Way"; Slum Village, "Selfish") and yeah, he sucked on those songs, too, not that either are otherwise great.

btw how is your "I'm going to be less of a dick online" campaign going

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDsa6-xluHk&autoplay=1

this year has been a new level tho - DESSERT OR DISASTER?, SHOES WITHOUT SHOELACES & MAC-BERRY being the glaring examples

xp looool

yeah totally...one of the worst things about Kanye these days is he's trying to do the stay-ubiquitous-between-albums-with-constant-guest-spots Lil Wayne thing and just does it terribly.

Dan's basic "their recent output isn't actually that bad if you have no particuar reverence for the early stuff" argument is a perfectly fine one to make imo, I use it with Weezer all the time. just a lot of the supporting points were really sketchy.

xpost

hahaha I am not going to claim anything I've written here is anything approaching a defense of an argument! I was not really trying to make a cohesive argument in the slightest (if I had been, I would have been making longer posts for one thing)

he's also really lost his sense of humor. to me he comes off as if his verses are SAYING SOMETHING when really they're just formless and rambling. he's always been self-serious but he lost the other part of his personality & music that really balanced that out. "run this town" is just the sort of thing he's aim to t-bomb, think that he had t-bombed, when in reality he just revealed himself to think that he is of higher intellectual value because he wears expensive shoes.

kanye that is

And the dude's flow is just lazy and slurred, like Mick Jagger in the mid seventies.

Or Will Smith in the late '90s, right before they dropped the ball

tbh I feel like, on some level, Kanye's been sleepwalking since "Diamonds From Sierra Leone" and "Gold Digger"

(was originally thinking "Jesus Walks" but even I couldn't challop that hard)

however, Jay-Z's bit in "Diamonds..." is my favorite of the last five years.

ftr "Diamonds..." is WAY better than "Run This Town" in my book

tbh I feel like, on some level, Kanye's been sleepwalking since "Diamonds From Sierra Leone" and "Gold Digger"

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Monday, October 12, 2009 5:56 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree w/ this...circa Late Registration he was still trying to prove himself as an MC, by Graduation he'd already decided he'd rather write U2 stadium rock lyrics than really work hard at rapping, and now he's on some lazy faux-Wayne punchline shit

I'll still defend Graduation -- a victory lap album that's zippier than its predecessor.

(and "Stronger" is the apogee of his production ethos)

I love Graduation but in spots it is in spite of what Kanye is doing rather than because of it (hi dere "The Good Life")

Agreed with Alfred about Graduation, except "Stronger" is the worst thing on it.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

okay i'm back on the being appalled by Miley train w/ Dan, wtf is wrong with y'all

not bad

ugh son

Blame It (On the Party People)

right song won, right song came in last; can't ask for much more tbf

it is funny how there's almost a VMA Kanyegate corrective

I should note that in no way could I mount a spirited defence of Jay-Z or Kanye on "Run This Town", it's just that the reality of the song seems mostly inoffensive rather than awful.

Contextually i'm all for dismissing jay-z as a has-been, but it's not like he's been hitting them out the park at any point in the past six years so getting worked up about dude having fallen off feels a bit like fighting old battles

Finding Rihanna's singing obnoxious is something i can understand, but I went from disliking "Live Your Life" to adoring it on similar grounds so I can deal with Ri here.

hahaha so Rev do you now see why there might have been some, shall we say, unreasonable vehemence behind my discourse today

Tim is articulating how I feel about that song when you remove the hyperbole, I just knew that ILM was going to give us all some "hey Miley Cyrus is awesome" nonsense to goggle at

"hey Miley Cyrus is awesome" nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with this, and I still haven't knowingly heard her or ever defended her or Taylor Swift, so you are arguing with yourself there.

Tim: The thing is.. Jay-Z as a technical rapper has been on a downward slide since the beginning of the decade (you can even tell he's doing a lot less fucking around with rhythm on The Blueprint than he had been in the late 90s, although that album is much more consistent than his previous few) and as a lyricist since he took three years off. His falling off isn't some thing that just instantly happened, it's been very gradual. Even mediocrities like "Show Me What You Got" and "Blue Magic" have a lot more life to them than "Run This Town".

^reverend on point with that jay z post.

i kinda like run this town tbh

I should note that in no way could I mount a spirited defence of Jay-Z or Kanye on "Run This Town", it's just that the reality of the song seems mostly inoffensive rather than awful.

the problem w/ me isnt that one thing is SO BAD, it's the combination of the average beat, jay's corny-ass flow, 09 kanye west (who truth be told is the best part of this song, "no homo" notwithstanding), and rihaaaaannnaaaaaaa that add up to push this from mediocre to bad imo

the other day when i was driving home from the airport it came on the radio and i turned it up and you know it sounded pretty great frankly

though i agree i dont think the question of who is going to run this town is really answered in the song

kells otm

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i was hoping it would be me :(

"the other day when i was driving home from the airport it came on the radio and i turned it up and you know it sounded pretty great frankly"

yeah I had to do a singles review and was fairly dimissive, but then have since heard it a couple of times on car radio and enjoyed it more.

let me know if you ever figure out who will run this town tonight

This calls for a poll.

these tracks all suck and so do all the black eyed peas singles released this year

wait never mind "blame it" is aiight. but not great.

Jesus Christ consider lightening up a little Rev

As both a Taylor Swift stan AND an occasional Miley defender, I can still say that it is insane that "Blame It" didn't win this. IT WAS SUCH A DESERVING #1. As much as I might like "You Belong with Me," it's not a #1! And as for Miley, now that this exists I can stop listening to her version altogether:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYsanXR0pQ

Might wanna turn off the Willenium first, tho. (How did that one chart?)

i'm perfectly willing to see the argument that "blame it" is better than "YBWM", but dont for a second buy that it's more of a "#1"

xp ;_;

is nothing sacred?

"Blame" and "Belong" are both pretty damn #1-y. Not that I substitute my personal experience for any representative sampling of how big a song is, but I sure heard both way more than either BEP song.

Not that I substitute my personal experience for any representative sampling of how big a song is

lol

(Is "You Belong with Me" just huger than I have any impression of it being? "Blame It" was everyone's ringtone for MONTHS.)

(Sample size = people on public transportation on my way to and from work, anyway.)

no, ilxors have a hard on for taylor swift, blame it was a lot bigger

i agree with you dave but i think it's a stupid thing to argue about because no one can really be right

still can't believe these fools just actually broke a fuckin record

sorry ALMOST

ALMOST, ffs, i would puke

wait. wait. wait.

people LIKE taylor swift?

what...the...fuck...

i mean, give me that stupid BEP song "I Gotta Feeling." nine million times better than anything that comes out of that ugly bitch's mouth.

yuh dude it turns out people like other music than you do.

see i would listen to taylor over "i gotta feeling." i like country more than fucktard

actually one time i started humming taylor swift. i felt good about it.

one time (every time) i sang taylor swift in the shower

awwww

but wait, no, someone needs to explain why that taylor swift single is any good, in their opinion.

to me:
1) the melody is played
2) the sentiment is played
3) it is written for people who live in the exurbs and drive SUVs.

there is nothing redeeming about the song. i admit that some of my bias towards the other people on this list is mostly because, well, any sort of hip-hop/r&b/contemporary stuff is fine with me. tayor swift is contrived to the max. it's like putting walmart to your ear.

man sometimes music cant be broken down to
1
2
3
's like that

basically all the things are you're saying i think is what ppl like about it. it may be obvious but it feels good to say it sometimes.

but again that's why you prolly wouldn't like a lot of mainstream country music

(i'm guessing, what the hell do i know)

im really hesitant to lump taylor w/ country music but that's an old topic

i guess that there's a lot of stuff that i find ridic on the radio and on the mtv or whatever, but most of it i can get down with because it's fun. that taylor swift song isn't fun. it reaks of fat girl at exurban prom who hasn't figured out that she would be awesome if she forgot those fucking jocks. those types of people disgust me.

(and yes i am drunk)

ok see suburban america does not disgust me like that. i understand the disgust, and felt it at the time, but this doesn't have to looked at from such sort of slanted queer theory standpoint. sometimes a girl's just a girl

(no i'm not drunk)

i mean, i love proms ffs

i don't know, i am in the mood to look at everything from the slanted queer perspective. mostly because i am a slanted queer.

fuckin hate fat chicks right bro

what is wrong with my grammar tonight

i mean no, that was more my drunk coming out. love people of all sizes. it was more the vision in my head.

so taylor swift makes u hate sad fat girls

is that kind of like how rufus wainwright makes me hate sad gay boys?

maybe.

i mean, i really have nothing against fat girls. in fact, i find fat girls more comely than skinny girls. when i was still having sex with girls, i pretty much only had sex with bigger girls. mostly because i think they're hot.

and no, i'm not just saying that. that's da truth, ruth.

Hey, here comes the guy who lived in the suburbs his whole life to say that 90% of the people out there have nothing to do with the stereotype you're making, kthxbye.

table did point out upthread that his dislike of Taylor Swift isn't only due to his preconceptions of her audience, it's also because she's an "ugly bitch"

if only taylor swift could be a fat chick instead of merely appealing to fat chicks, table is the table might like her

table is the table, with all due, you are really not acquitting yourself well here. these kinds of arguments always reflect poorly on the person making them.

taylor swift does not code remotely fat to me

i'm also really glad that the auto-playiong willennium is hidden behind the cut now

has nobody else figured out how to embed autoplaying youtubes, or is there some implicit mutually-assured-youtube-destruction policy that only Whiney is breaking

get one (1) bookmark and avoid all autoplaying youtubes

or turn off images