Techno/House Bobbins 2010

I think we need this. The Rolling Dance thread is too all over the place. It even contains this blog house thing or whatever (no offense).

>: |

i said no offense, man. i enjoy some of those blog house music but it's just that it's a genre of its own and it'd be nice to have a proper techno/house thread.

Have at it, I hope to contribute. Or at least check for whats going on.

Sleeper Wakes.

What does "bobbins" mean? It annoys me every time I see it but mostly becayse I don't know what it means.

(Is that a UK or ILX thing? Is UK English getting weirder and weirder to frustrate the attempts of Americans with internet access to understand it?)

Bobbins = rolling thread.

A bobbin is like a spool, it's a cylindrical object used for keeping thread/wire/etc neat. When you buy thread, you generally buy it wound around a bobbin. 'Bobbins', the plural, functions like 'rubbish', 'nonsense', 'bollocks', etc (some people use it euphemistically for 'bollocks' (the epithet not the body part) the way people used to use 'blooming' for 'bloody'). In the phrase 'electro-house bobbins' it basically just means 'stuff', in a mildly disparaging affectionate kind of way.

UK English is, I suspect, getting less weird as regional variants die out quicker than they can be invented, but thanks for thinking it's all about you.

xpost hahahaha no wait what Tim said

haha all these years i never made the bobbins/rolling thread link

As a parent, it always makes me think of the 'Wind The Bobbin Up' nursery rhyme sung over a boshing 4/4.

(sorry for saddo)

Glad I asked, despite exposing my un-serious theory about UK English to ridicule. I hadn't even known the word's non-slang meaning (too lazy to Google it before), and of course rolling thread makes perfect sense.

second on sleeper wakes, best thing mills has done in the guts on a decade id say. his beatless tracks didnt used to be the best but the way these one build and bubble are fantastic, reminded me of oneohtrix point never in parts

The massive 3cd shake shakir comp is available to download at boomkat now as well, £10 for 35 completely essential tunes is beyond a bargain. listening to his stuff for the first time in years has suddenly made me realise the extent of the influence on kode 9 tracks of the last year

lol i always thought bobbins was for um headbobbin'

^ this

^^double this

huh. so, like, "keeps bobbing along" then? i've been just bobbing along all this time assuming it was some dumb term for "choon!" and let it go cuz i'm just one voice in the wilderness.

%%%bobbins: adj useless junk. While quite recent slang, it’s rather charming: Did your grandmother leave you anything good? / Nope, just a complete load of ancient bobbins. One possible etymology: that it’s from the north of England (particularly the Lancashire and Manchester areas), which used to be supported largely by cotton mills. As the industrial revolution drew to a close, the mills closed down and the population found itself with a surfeit of largely worthless milling machinery. During that time the phrase “‘twas worth nout but bobbins” sprung up; years later we’re left only with the last word.%%%%

dunno about the cotton mills stuff but is used a fair bit in lancashire. term used more affectionately than implied in above definition though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyMmR3XDRVc

BOOOO! to local record store who thinks it can get away charging $17 for 12"s. They're still 15 elsewhere!

Seems like most year-end roundups have been ignoring the Bodycode album. Serious question, were there really that many good techno LPs in 2009? Or am I just a Ghostly stan who should get over it?

I checked out the Bodycode album but it didn't leave a strong impression.

anyone else dig this track?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81aZ8xB4vr4

its from late last year, i think, but i'm still listening to it all the time. i love how that harsh pitch shifting bass gradually rises up and gives way to the staccato melody and pads, like whoooooosh, feels good. and then the kick drum comes in so slyly. love this track.

eyyy, hope im posting this in the right place. Anyway, a friend of a friend is doing an MA in journalism and asked me to contribute some stuff on music for his final project. I wrote this about Kompakt. Bare in mind that it's aimed at people who've probably never heard anything on Kompakt/other techno labels before.

Just over ten years ago, Michael Mayer, Jürgen Paape and Wolfgang Voigt founded a record label in the German city of Cologne. Despite their credentials as producers and DJs, Voigt in particular was already regarded as one of the most important figures in European electronic music, they had little idea that their label, Kompakt, would go on to be one that would define the sound of techno over the course over the next decade.

In order to assess the influence the label has on today’s music, we must place it in the wider context of techno as a genre. Three friends from the Detroit suburb of Belleville: Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson created futuristic, soulless (the lack of ‘soul’ in early techno records is largely what differentiated it from the emerging house scene that was developing in Chicago at the same time) black music that was heavily inspired by the robotic minimalism of Kraftwerk as much as the bass heavy funk of George Clinton’s Parliament and Funkadelic. They called it techno. Their music was influenced by their surroundings: by the early 80s Detroit had gone from the home of Motown and car manufacturing to a kind of post-industrial wasteland and the futuristic sound of the genre seemed apt. Eventually the scene gathered momentum, becoming a staple in clubs all over the US. Since the early days there has been an affinity between Detroit and Germany. It was Berlin that was the first city to embrace techno in a major way and the Tresor nightclub became one of the most highly regarded in the world.

Techno was, and still can be, pummeling, relentless and downright brutal. Perhaps this is why it remains ever popular with Germans. The Kompakt sound is somewhat different. The insistent 4/4-kick drum that almost defines the genre is there, but the hard edges are laced with crystalline melodies, melancholy vocals and a sense of hopeless romanticism. It is probably for this reason that techno elitists sneer at the it: the music on Kompakt appeals to people who haven’t spent their lives searching for rare Theo Parrish white labels. There is a pronounced pop sensibility to the best Kompakt material, the idea that these are songs and not just tracks, tools for DJs. In an interview with Pitchforkmedia, Mayer himself states that, ‘Techno in the early years was a lot like model trains; two guys playing with the machines all day long, super serious. We always had a different approach-- it was about having fun, having a good time, even if the music is abstract and very modern, it's still about disco and about having a good time.’

My introduction to Kompakt, and techno in general, came by chance. I spent the summer after my GCSE’s looking out of my bedroom window at cornfields and woods listening to a select few records over and over. One of these was Erlend Oye’s DJ Kicks (!K7, 2004). The first track on the album was Jürgen Paape’s beguiling ‘So Wiet Wie Noch Nie’, a record that remains, partly because of nostalgia and partly because of the sheer brilliance of it, one of my favorite songs of the decade. Built around lilting, swooning synth pads and a dusty vocal sampled from an old Sonya Lubke record, it was the most beautiful four minutes of music I’d heard. There were other examples of the microhouse sound that I would come to become obsessed with in the following years: Skatebard’s fizzy ‘Metal Chix’ and Ricardo Villalobos’ ‘Dexter’ a track that seems to both melt, and slow down time. After Erlend, I delved into the Kompakt catalogue starting with various compilations and mixes, and they were a formative part of my musical education. I got into harder, more obscure stuff as a result and for a long time, listened to nothing but minimal techno, much to the annoyance of friends and flatmates.

Kompakt are undeniably stylish. In the 90s techno was associated with austere looking bald men wearing severe glasses and green coats, and Kompakt, along with the likes of BPitch, Get Physical and Perlon, was one of the labels that made the genre ‘sexy’ again. The music was warmer than the original Detroit tracks, more inviting to outsiders and easier to dance too. The label’s aesthetic is all clean lines and bold text. This uniformity seems oddly fitting for a label that has a roster including the likes of Kaito (blissed out trance), Gui Boratto (infectious house straight out of South America) and GAS (Wolfgang Voigt’s modern-classical/ambient moniker).

It is Michael Mayer, though, who has become the undoubted star of the label. Though his solo productions aren’t necessarily among Kompakt’s finest releases he can lay claim to have put out three of the finest mixes of all time in Fabric 13, Immer and the Peel Session. DJs often talk about ‘narratives’ and ‘journeys’ and the importance of tracks flowing, combining to create something new. Mayer is the master of letting his song selections breathe, giving them time to develop, to unveil themselves fully. He doesn’t go in for the flashy mixing style like some, preferring subtle transitions. The album he released for the Farringdon based club is a perfect snapshot of the heavier side of his record collection, and the session he did for John Peel is an excellent introduction to the ‘schaffel’ (imagine glam rock meeting techno. But not as awful as that should be.) sound that briefly dominated the label’s release schedule, but it is Immer that is most deserving of a closer look. Immer is, and I have to admit that I can only talk about this record in hyperbolic terms, a masterpiece. It’s 70 minutes of the finest techno of the decade that manages to incorporate birdsong (Superpitcher’s remix of ‘Crokus’ by Carsten Jost) swathes of portentous German classical music (Tobias Thomas and Superpitcher’s edit of ‘Perfect Lovers’ by Phantom/Ghost) and what sounds like an electric saw breaking (‘Surface’ by Paul Nazca). It’s become one of the defining techno records of the decade and probably the one that secured Kompakt’s place in the electronic music canon.

They may not be releasing must-have 12”s as regularly as they were a few years back, but there’s still a lot to get excited about. Next year should see new releases from the likes of Superpitcher, DJ Koze and Ewan Pearson. The classic Kompkat sound, ‘a mix of minimalism, melody, and melancholy, often with an underlying pop sensibility’ is one that resonates with a huge number of people: Mayer and co regularly play some of the biggest clubs in the world. And, well, to end on a personal note, I can’t imagine what my life would be like if I’d never heard ‘So Weit Wie Noch Nie’ way back in 2006.

Three friends from the Detroit suburb of Belleville: Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson created futuristic, soulless (the lack of ‘soul’ in early techno records is largely what differentiated it from the emerging house scene that was developing in Chicago at the same time) black music that was heavily inspired by the robotic minimalism of Kraftwerk as much as the bass heavy funk of George Clinton’s Parliament and Funkadelic. They called it techno.

immediately, i want to warn against calling Detroit techno "soulless"; be careful dude

Seconded.

Elsewhere, the Benjamin Brunn Modyfier mix is super lush stuff. The only other person I can think of who gets as much warmth out of his machines is er... Move D!

:( thirded.

probably just "soul" as signify "vocals"

also bobbins = sewing machine spindle = totally soul less soulless souless fuc wat soulles.

sam500, that Benjamin Brunn is great!!! Thks - love the Andy Warhol interview loop and track 3 is quite special.

the two hieroglyphic being records on mathematics sub label +++ are flat out amazing. even though the tracks are already collected on the synthetic love life cd, i had to get them on vinyl (it seems this dude just lives to tax european noobs like myself)

if you like weird endlessly evolving but constantly jacking house music i cannot recommend these enough. there's a really manic, restless energy in this music, all of these unfeasible melodies and rhythms competing to be heard over the layers of cassette fuzz

there's a track on another new ep on mathematics that's just this african flute melody over huge tribal toms. it's so good but such a pain to mix with - it seems like the sequencer keeps going out of sync or something

anyone feeling Nina Kraviz - Pain In The Ass / I'm Gonna Get You on Rekids? Can't decide which track I like better... (might technically be VERY late 2009, not sure)

xpost: yeah, i love "I'm Gonna Get You" - great, great slice of deepness + nice vocals.

Didnt really get into the "Pain In The Ass" prob due to that bantering voiceover.

it kicks in around 3.30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqh4UE4fIJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7k8V6UhIs

Techno was, and still can be, pummeling, relentless and downright brutal. Perhaps this is why it remains ever popular with Germans.

Hmm.

lol

that was tl;dr so thanks for highlighting that for my amusement.

any tips for any new pummeling, relentless and downright brutal new techno?

maybe this?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWtF8SNphPk

Mike Dehnert's Dico EP sounds excellent from the samples I've heard.

Delta Funktionen "Silhouette (Marcel Dettmann rmx)" left me pretty underwhelmed on first listen, but that's worth checking out.

heard this at optimo recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md_OaPX4_j4

i'm quite enjoying this label at the moment

http://www.discogs.com/label/Do+Not+Resist+The+Beat!

noisy industrial techno from berlin

ha, what's that bauhaus thing? (if there are samples of the band in there, i don't hear it; maybe they mean the german version of home depot.) sounds like radio slave!

rionat, milton bradley has a really good remix on one of the new prologue 12"s (i think the last cio d'or 12"?) that sounds a lot like DNRTB #4...

hey, thanks for the sarky comments, REALLY APPRECIATED!

new mike dehnert ep is great, so is the alex cortex ep on pomelo

i don't hear any samples of bauhaus the band in there either. the youtube clip says "marcel dettmann??" in the description, so there's some fuel for the rumor mill.

I gave a shot at doing a top 100 bobbins of the decade, and I've kind of settled on these top 50, that is if anyone cares.

1 Soul Capsule – Law Of Grace
2 Akufen – Skidoos
3 Luomo – Tessio
4 Farben – Beautone
5 Matthew Dear – Dog Days
6 Pantha Du Prince – Saturn Strobe
7 Alex Smoke – Chica Wappa
8 Jurgen Paape – So Weit Wie Noch Nie
9 Luciano – La Limonida de Pepe Bombilla / Amelie on Ice
10 Vladislav Delay – Huone
11 Deadbeat – Organ in the Attic Sings the Blues
11 Ricardo Villalobos – Easy Lee
12 Closer Musik – You Don’t Know Me
13 Polmo Polpo – Kiss Me Again and Again
14 Burial – Archangel / Broken Home
15 The Juan Maclean - Happy House
16 DJ Sprinkles – Ball’r (Madonna Free Zone)
17 Isolée – Schrapnel / Pillowtalk
18 LCD Soundsystem – Losing My Edge
19 Lawrence – Along the Wire (Superpitcher Remix)
20 Jichael Mackson – The Grass is Always Greener
21 Martin Buttrich – Full Clip
22 Hercules and Love Affair – Blind (Club Mix)
23 Dominique Leone - Clairevoyage
24 Partial Arts – Trauermusik
25 Metro Area – Miura
26 Matt John – Hawaii You
27 Peverelist – Junktion
28 Le Noir – Eleny (Radioslave Remix)
29 Rex the Dog – I Look Into Mid Air
30 Dave Aju - Anyway
31 Kalabrese – Auf Dem Hof
32 Ellen Allien – Sensucht
33 Petre Inspirescu - Le Crème Bonjour
34 Alex Under – La Bicicleta Son Para El Verano / Multiplicanciones D
35 Audion – Mouth to Mouth
36 Booka Shade – In White Rooms / Mandarine Girl
37 Oni Ayhun – OAR003 B
38 Narcotic Syntax – Cowabunga!
39 Lindstrom – I Feel Space
30 Ramadanman – Blimey
41 Hot Chip – Boy From School (Erol Alkan Remix)
42 Richard Davis – This Time
43 Delia Gonzales and Gavin Russom – Revelée (Carl Craig Remix)
44 Cobblestone Jazz – W/ Dump Truck
45 Chic Miniature – Escalando
46 Mari Boine – Vuoi Vuoi Mu (Henrik Schwarz Remix)
47 Mathew Jonson – Marionette
48 Nathan Fake – Dinamo / Undoing the Laces
49 Metaboman – Easy Woman (Robag Whrume Mix)
50 Sutekh – Untitled (Periods.Make.Sense. Track 8)

I don't know what to think about the fact that this is pretty well just white males.

Pretty boring list, actually, but nevertheless it's a pretty spot on representation of me (also take into account that I didn't start listening to dance music until 2006).

cozen that motor track is brutal

it is ridic

Oh god, Easy Woman is properly sexy.

1 Soul Capsule – Law Of Grace
2 Akufen – Skidoos
3 Luomo – Tessio
4 Farben – Beautone
5 Matthew Dear – Dog Days

luv u edb

This is worth looking into:

http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=7104

god, just wanted to say that the post about Kompakt above reminded me that i have been listening to A LOT of early Jurgen Paape recently. in fact, its mostly been UR, Jurgen Paape, and Ian loveday tracks in these parts as of recent. nothing new.

also, hey, it just occurred to me: whatever happened to Jichael Mackson?

yeah i agree, new music is shit

sike, just kidding

i'm thoroughly enjoying the new "alex o smith" record. was kinda lukewarm on here with me, the new one is a bit more upbeat, star-gazing ashra style arpeggios

the drums on "kosmos 1402" are so... crispy

afaik jichael mackson hasn't put anything out since the same but different ep last year. unless he has a new pseudonym

forgot about the polmo polpo cover version - nice inclusion!

http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/lwe-podcast-42-anthony-shake-shakir/

Should be picking up Frictionalism sometime in the next few days...

new gui boratto mix thing sounds great to me

UR - Somewhere In Japan - 12EP
Code: WPA-4UR-079
COMING SOON.......LATE FEBRUARY / EARLY MARCH 2010!!!
W.P.A. Mail Order ONLY release.

can you elaborate on that sir ilx-a-lot? been hammering No Turning Back (and the Whignomy Bros mix) recently.

ha, you can call me cutty

it's called "renaissance - the mix collection"

http://www.recordstore.co.uk/images/covers10/01.2010/renaissance_mix_collection_gui_boratto-300.jpg

i always am wary of people who started DJing after successful production career ie green velvet, james holden(for the first few years), half the kitsune roster. smacks of rank opportunism

what about the other way around?

more like smacks of rank wanting to eat

Dj's are now taking time off to produce tracks so they can get more DJ bookings. Don't hate the player (of records), hate the game (of booking).

SELLOUTS

I know sod all about techno/house bobbins but I do know that James Holden had a local DJing residency years before he produced a track successful enough for me to go "damn, I wish I'd turned up to that" so perhaps that is unfair (or perhaps I should fuck back off the bobbins thread)

though yes, production famous before DJing, point taken, just questioning "started"

Hmmm, the tracklisting for the Gui Borrato mix looks interesting enough but the proliferation of podcasts (I usually grab ones on FACT, RA, LWE regularly) has kinda given me mix fatigue. Maybe I should just stop downloading them....

^ Completely! To be honest, I've always been a mix junky so I find it very hard to resist. Having said that, the most exciting recent mixes have come from the UK / dubstep camp e.g. Scuba Substance, Shed FACT, Appleblim Fabric, Oneman's Winter Mix. Finding little to get excited about on the 4 to the floor side (with the exception of the mnml ssgs series).

the gui boratto mix is eh. most mixes are kind of eh, have no patience with them any longer.

also, pretty much any mix a la Renaissance or Cocoon or Mobilee or Get Physical = total garbage toss-off bullshit.

they proliferate like mushrooms, and though mushrooms can be tasty, they also grow in shit.

Dixon's Body Language mix on Get Physical is great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2SXBLD4Nk

Dixon's Body Language mix on Get Physical is great!

you mean the one from years ago or he has a new one?

ah, nevermind. i realize that you were replying to table's post.

didn't see any talk of that Afrobutt LP from last year on ILM at all via search except for one Matos post. how come people slept on this (not that i didn't myself)?

looking forward to Fabric 51: http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2010/02/dj-t-mixes-fabric-51

Fabric 51: DJ T.
01. dOP - Wiper Law
02. Michael J Collins - I Just Wanna Be Your Disco Bitch
03. 10lec6 - Drown Dogs Holidays
04. Stuffa A Million Secrets (Salax Peep Show Remix)
05. Madioko N Rafika - Ellelli (Kalabrese Remix)
06. Danton Eeprom - Give Me Pain
07. Matias Aguayo Ft. Lerato - Pata Pata
08. Ben Mono - Jesus Was A B-Boy (TJ Kong & Nuno Dos Santos Remix)
09. Will Saul & Tam Cooper Ft. Ursula Rucker - Where Is It (Will Saul & Tam Cooper’s Reloved Dub Mix)
10. Dave DK & Holger Zilske Feat. Richard Davis
11. III & Azari - Hungry For The Power
12. Wigald Boning - Kobra Dance - Compost
13. Soulphiction - The Royal Pennekaums (Chocolettes Nervous Mix)
14. Le Roif Ft. Roland Clarrk - I Get Deep
15. DJ T. - Try To Understand - Kindisch
16. DJ Mujava - Township Funk (Crazy P Mix)
17. Good Guy Mikesh - Milk & Honey (Basket Mix)
18. Bodycode - Immune
19. Random Factor - Broken Mirror
20. WhoMadeWho - Keep Me In My Plane (DJ Koze Hudson River Dub)

i think that Crazy P remix of Township Funk is my favouritest of all the versions, including maybe the original

The new Nebraska EP is fantastic.
http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=52165

villalobos remix of mirko loko's "tahktok" is so gorgeous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZwmjwy9ag

it's been a while since i've been this impressed by either villalobos or cadenza. so beautiful

Was ambivalent about asking the record store to order it for me, thanks for tipping me off. The carl craig mix sounded good from the samples I heard, also.

this bahaus track is made by chris liebing, if somebody cares. https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/225800/bauhaus

The carl craig mix sounded good from the samples I heard, also.

― We jus' havin' fun, so don't act like you don't want my money, hon (EDB), Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:24 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

yes, just dropping in to confirm: carl craig mix of "love harmonic" is epic. best cadenza release for a long while

Been liking some of Mendo + Danny Serano's beats lately.

A friend of mine is in Spain at the moment, hoping he'll report back on the state of things over there soon.

Any thoughts on the Barraca label's recent ouput?

Loved this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSdmBbRBO4

big fan of milton bradley at the moment

http://www.discogs.com/JS-4-Reworks/release/2120024

Proper release should be in stores shortly.

Should anyone happen to be interested in what the top 10 of that best of the 00's list I posted upthread sounds like, then please: DJs post your mixes for download

only really listening to Motor City Drum Ensemble, is pretty awesome.

anyone has recommendation of mixes (either commercial or free) that's similar to Tama Sumo's Panorama Bar 02? Thanks.

"La Cantada" by Simone Burrini my fave bobbins of 2010 so far. Very in the Luciano/Villalobos vibe, but prettier than either, and w/a GORGEOUS female spanish vocal

what does everyone think of the miracles club? read about on p sh3rbs blog. i dig "light of love" more than "chango". maybe this belongs on a balearic beardo thread or something tho... also second his love for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3qsMGGJULk

http://www.discogs.com/Keith-Worthy-Moments-In-Rhythm-Vol-2/release/2236668

bleh i hesistate to label this house or techno (despite being on a kompakt sublabel) BUT is anyone else feeling the optimus maximus ep by gatekeeper? high drama horror soundtrack disco. super kick ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_0JftWlyf4

Oh boy.

http://www.blauersee.info/var/flyer10_single.jpg

o_O

http://www.discogs.com/JS-4-Reworks/release/2120024

Proper release should be in stores shortly.

― the muddy waters of donk (Display Name), Monday, March 29, 2010 3:45 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

just got this, very good music

http://soundcloud.com/planetedetroit/the-oliverwho-factory-nightlights

yep

On the new/forthcoming Planet E tip, this new Urban Tribe is niiiiiice:

http://soundcloud.com/planetedetroit/urban-tribe-insolitology

Anybody listening to Efdemin's new album, Chicago? I know the "deepness" and the album title can make your eyes glaze over, but it is actually surprising me by being a really satisfying and varied album. Subtle and meticulous as you'd expect from him, interesting percussion egged on by odd vocal snippets, really natural build up and breakdown of loops to keep the momentum ebbing and flowing. Good atmosphere that doesn't tip too far into cliche territory. It definitely doesn't blow you away, but I've found myself unconsciously coming back to it when I'm not sure what I'd like to listen to.

i was looking for a thread to talk about Chicago. i really love this album and, like you mentioned, very subtle.

i love that sample he uses where the girl says "OH MY GAAD! OH MY FAAAKING GAAD"

it's very subtle***

yeah its awesome

"nightlights" is the best house track all year. sumptuous, brash, and those laser reverb effects that turn up midway are devastating

efdemin album is well-produced fluff in comparison

wow efdemin is perfect, thanks

FM-style synth sound throughout Chicago is great. it's refreshing to hear something that isn't so analog or virtual analog sounding

Definitely agree on that last point, I grew up on a steady diet of cheap sounding 8 bit FM synths.

And I think that its high time that chiptune influenced house and techno came into vogue.

And I think that its high time that chiptune influenced house and techno came into vogue.

Errr, I'll sit this one out, thanks.

Well whatever.

I've given up on having fashionable opinions, I just know what I like.

I'm looking for stuff that sounds like Hieroglyphic Being using a SID synth, or something equivalent.

Don't get me wrong, do as you please by all means, it's just that personally I can't fucking stand chiptunes.

This sounds like a great idea. Personally, I was hoping somebody would do hard grinding Regis tracks with soaring 8bit NES style melodies and some UK funky drums over the top. Recommendations?

Get a new joke writer?

I had to find a new one. I used to get my jokes from House Is A Feeling but that guy closed shop awhile back.

made any good theo p facsimiles recently?

I wouldn't know, I keep trying to find them in stores but the pressings always sell out in a week.

hugs + cupcakes

hugs + cupcakes

Now you're just asking for it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQFMjUySio&feature=related

I wish moonship would post more these days. Oh, well. Back to lurking.

I had to find a new one. I used to get my jokes from House Is A Feeling but that guy closed shop awhile back.

haha...think your insult clock is set at 2006

xp. woah, managed to completely fail to notice that he's gone totally AWOL.

am I the only that dislike the vocal samples on Efdemin's new album? (and also on his mix album, for that matter). they sound pretentious and, i don't know, pointless in a tacked-on kind of way.

not really sure a sample of bart simpson playing a video game is particularly pretentious but sure, i suppose pointless, if you like. i don't mind them.

it's a shame that the few posters worth reading on dance music around here are reduced to cheap zings nowadays

i should give that efdemin album another chance i guess. it *sounds* great and is obv well made but none of it really struck out at me on first listen, something that seems to be par for the course with alot of this contemporary deep house stuff that's coming out at the moment. also, played out respect the tradition signifier in the title

that new sandwell district thing is excellent, really melodic sci-fi techno

better cheap zings than expensive ones, but yeah I hear you!

efdemin album title is admittedly lame. Production is just beautiful. Album feels very slight for me on the first listen. Only a couple of engaging tracks. Not to be Geir but not much going on melodically especially when compared with the last one.

yeah i like that tho

i do too. and definitely did too when i was listening to the dry - i don't mean that as a criticism - mid 00s minimal that this often reminds me of. I suppose it's preferable that this seems not really to be as Chicago as the title would imply in the sense that pat deep house revivalism is uninspiring.

i'll give it time. the track "there will be singing"(?) is a the one for me. TIP!

is a?

yeah, i mean the mnml ship-jumping of like 2007 just seemed really silly maybe, I get that the ultra-touchstoney stuff in this is pretty offputting considering the "deep" overload lately, but it still feels like a natural development of what the dude was doing on say America

haha...think your insult clock is set at 2006

― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 5 June 2010 09:55 (13 hours ago) Permalink

xp. woah, managed to completely fail to notice that he's gone totally AWOL.

― No disre but maryanne hobbs is peng trust me (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 5 June 2010 10:17 (12 hours ago)

Who needs zings when the people who stick up for you say shit like this? This pretty much sums it up more than any insult could.

As far as adding something constructive to this thread; Night Lights by Oliverwho Factory on Planet E is dope. Ultra Fine by Omar S. on FXHE is really good as well.

My tip for new US producers to be up on right now is Jason Letkiewicz. He records under the names Steve Summers and Rhythm Based Lovers. Steve Summers is his acid pseudonym and he did a record on Jack For Daze last year and is just dropping a new joint on Echovolt this week. If you are looking for OG Chi house done right, don't sleep on it. Also check his Rhythm Based Lovers releases for really smooth new school boogie. He is a talented guy.

congrats at not parsing i was talking about V, huevón.

altho i would like to say the steve summers stuff is ok i wouldn't like to get in the way of your free-flow of totally missing the point and being a moronic joke.

also you know he takes the source material and adds nothing to it, but like, that's a step-up for some people, you know.

feeling really murtaugh here.

haha, I like how you have to come back every few minutes for the last 36 minutes or so posting sorta zings. It's like you post something, pace around the room for a bit, post again, really think hard for 15 minutes and then give up in frustration.

The main problem you are going to have with zinging me about my music is that I am doing exactly what I want and I am having more success than I ever dreamed possible. I could list my achievements here, but I don't like to get real specific on message boards. Long story short, I have moved beyond what is normally considered successful for an underground vinyl-only artist in 2010. I did it with only three releases on a couple of no-budget bedroom labels with a studio that looks like a rummage sale.

Basically, it boils down to a few clowns on ILM who got butthurt when they got called on their wack taste Vs. the support of a lot of people who I never would have guessed would be into what I do.

Shake played my shit all across Europe during the Frictionalism tour and Tama Sumo plays my shit in the Berghain. Do you really think you can come up with a zing clever enough to take that away from me?

cockpuppet

lol, someone takes this too seriously.

I am more succesful than i ever imagined but i still find time to write a paragraph about how well i'm doing to a dude who couldn't give a shit about me or my tracks on a message board.

Pretty sure Bill Gates isn't on yahoo chat right now saying how cool windows 7 is, mang.

Just find your negativity and housier than though attitude tiresome. Made a few cheap jokes at your music, which hasn't really made any impact on me either way, and you come out with that extremely laughable screed. Glad to know wisdom doesn't come with age and that achievement is not its own award, you really need to show other people you've achieved and tell them how much worse their taste is on the internet.

Wait a second, Display Name = Disco Nihilist?

Huh, that'd be the first time I was mocked by an artist whose music I like.

Hmmm, new artist gets a bit of success and it goes to their head non-shocker.

Well I just find this intercontinental pissing contest deeply boring.

We're a bunch of music nerds squabbling on a public forum, you'd think we could find things in common to talk about.

But no, its got to be about who's more "real". Who uses Ableton, who uses hardware.

Who grew up in Michigan, who grew up in Europe. Who gives a shit? Really?

I work 7 days a week in a factory in Wisconsin, my room is a fucking shrine to disco. Is that "real" enough for the asshole contingent?

Can I just geek out about the music I love and not tread on anyone's toes now?

All spot on. Less bitchin' more bobbins.

http://soundcloud.com/jacobburns/sorry

http://soundcloud.com/6one6/quantec-increased-awareness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12RAGwZ9uw

Good music that I've been liking in the last couple weeks, all politics and ego aside.

I like the denseness of that SH101 Acid track I must say.

i liked that snowdrift track

don't really hear whats so authentically boogie about it, could be on eskimo

Who needs zings when the people who stick up for you say shit like this? This pretty much sums it up more than any insult could.

he was talking about vahid! glad things are going well for you, shame you feel the need to make dour comments about music people like though, maybe you need more success to be happy enough that you don't need to hate other people. mostly the whole net/music fusion is fairly negative imo, others may disagree, but personally, and this is part coincidence, i have never loved what i do as much as i do now, amazingly there is life beyond blogging, who'd have thunk such a mad thing.

The funny thing is that I wasn't even being dour, I was being silly. It is great that you are taking the high road considering you are the one who started the whole thing.

Honestly, I don't hate you. To me you represent what was bad about the last decade and every day I see that stuff getting swept away more and more. It is like being mad at Hawtin for bad mnml in 2006, it is so discredited that there really isn't any point in getting worked up about it. It is good to hear that you have moved on to something that you are better suited for.

This is the last I will post on this thread for awhile. I don't have time between a new job, family, and music.

I work 7 days a week in a factory in Wisconsin, my room is a fucking shrine to disco. Is that "real" enough for the asshole contingent?

It depends, it is only real enough if you work for a union in something hardcore like a foundry or a stamping plant. Light industrial assembly doesn't count. (joking)

I am sorry if I got you worked up, I was not trying to zing you.

you should prolly start proofreading your posts if you don't want them all to sound like hateful snark btw

XP No worries.

And its silicone rubber molding, I get blisters, but not on a regular basis.

I honestly think that this whole argument could be avoided if you just think of mnml and techno as being completely separate musical entities with occasional similarities. I like minimal, but mostly the high end Perlon in 2003-05 variety. I just think of it as an extension of minimal composers like Reich and the whole New York school mixed with the last bits and pieces of Euro rave.

Do I think that makes it superior to good techno? No, its just different. Different set of tools and different aesthetics.

No one is really making bank off it anymore so I don't really know if there's anything left to hate on.

But I do really love the kind of tech funk that comes out on Wolf and Lamb for instance. Lee Curtiss, that kind of thing.

Anyone hear that track up on Little White Earbuds by Gadi Mizrahi and Soul Clap? About a month ago?

yeah, i dig that track. saw soul clap dj a week or so ago and it was really fun.

the new horizontal ground (005) is very nice

still dour...oh well. carry on all.

i dunno, if you imagine it all being read by like rupaul or something its kinda fun.

haven't heard this new horizontal ground, but i've been pretty intrigued since their RA podcast

disco nihilist i like your music and respect your hardline

anybody hear the art bleek record?

i never heard jichael mackson before but i like his new single a snake in da system a lot

Also I guess its 2009 but I finally managed to track down a copy of San Soda's purple ep on We Play House and found someone to digitize it for me because i have no record player these days and I like to listen to music when I go for a walk or get the bus. Its very good, really feeling his stuff at the moment theres another good one on a podcast he did but i dont think its released:/

thanks for the horizontal ground info. 1-4 are all awesome.

yeah horizontal ground is excellent. seems like there's a slight resurgence of good uk techno recently -- the last few releases on perc trax have been outstanding and completely essential, frozen border which is affiliated with horizontal ground has also been great, and the two new sandwell district records that just came out are some truly "dope" "shit" as they say in the us of a

enjoying forward strategy group also. this is one of my favourite tracks this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXn18P9azyA&feature=player_embedded

what are the new sandwell district records?

http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=7505

am enjoying the new raudive ep on wires. soulless minimal techno with a touch of early 80s darkwave. sounds as if ike yard made a house track

loving the new dvs1 record as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGenVMjcRMs

the forward strategy group remix of perc is great! and whoever said 'dour', can't agree. this style of music is very emotional - ina strange way

loving the new art bleek record

i am digging the art bleek.

anyone heard the Mathew Jonson album? pretty awesome imo.

haven't listened to the album yet but his fact mix/live set is great. i pretty much love everything he does though

sounds as if ike yard made a house track

oooh i hope this is as good it sounds in my head!

any thoughts on the recent mole eps? they sounded kinda samey to me and didn't leave much impression on first listen, but for the lost/there's hope took a little while to sink in and ended up being on of my favorite things last year.

loving this record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5J41Xmzhy0

As mentioned on today's post on ISM, TR One with some Serious heat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoEDmV3_zOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1wt_0ebDk

Is anyone else enjoying the elektro guzzi stuff? Not heard the full LP yet but what I have heard so far has been excellent.

i like the idea of elektro guzzi but the end result kinda left me cold....

That's interesting as I don't really like the idea of EG ('band plays minimal/berghain(ish)/etc techno on guitar bass drums') but am finding the end result really worthwhile. I wouldn't say it was warm exactly but it really works for me, maybe not as danceable music but certainly as listenable techno related stuff.

ah, interesting, i've seen EG mentioned but never really knew what they did. i've messed around on instruments attempting similar stuff with friends who are into techno, but didn't really have the ambition to get that tight. its tough to be so restrained on guitar/bass/drums. funny that they don't even use a synth; i guess that might take away from the novelty a bit. i'm curious to hear the album.

another al3x: thanks for mentioning that Mathew Jonson FACT mix, (((d-_-b)))<--me right now

strictly should be in the 2009 thread

this remix of Rick Wilhite - Dreams Of Yesterday (Rick's Never Will Forget mix) samples Princes 'Computer Blue'.

Is there another track from recent years that also sampled that section of Computer Blue?

On the new/forthcoming Planet E tip, this new Urban Tribe is niiiiiice:

http://soundcloud.com/planetedetroit/urban-tribe-insolitology

― matt2, Thursday, June 3, 2010 5:30 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

"niiiiiice" is a bit of an understatement here -- three pristine and gorgeous high-tempo techno trax and one incredible melancholy electro track that sounds like prime black dog -- maybe a few more "i's" are required. stunning ep

maybe the black dog reference put you all off slightly; but there's definitely a balil style of melody in "insolitology"

bet ilx user vahid loves this record

references to prime black dog are some of the least off-putting things I can think of!

not a patch on the mo'wax album, sadly

:-(

liked mystic tribe ai a whole lot better

Elektro Guzzi podcast at RA - http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=212

I haven't heard EG's podcast yet. I am only judging the project on the first 10" which was OKish. the main reason why i am disappointed is because patrick pulsinger is involved and he did some really amazing music on his own for cheap, r&s etc during the 90s. in EG he is only one of three people, so maybe his voice isn't as loud!

ok i've listened to this elektro guzzi album twice today and damn. it is excellent. i guess i'm the type of person who thinks that conceptually this type of thing is a good idea to begin with (no offense to minimal/berghain-style techno) but usually bands like this make records that are a lot less interesting than this one

elektro guzzi podcast is unbelievable, has anyone seen them play?

cos like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HozMr5Ed-o4

also

soul clap - extravaganza, which is super sensual blurry rnb/male diva vocal house

new track by Moritz Von Oswald on Cocoon Comp J is sweet.

http://www.discogs.com/Robert-Hood-Omega/master/254368

Anybody heard this yet?

because it is awesome. so intense.

http://clone.nl/item18150.html

nice, those samples sound great.

COS/MES has a track on Milky Disco III which i am looking forward to checkin out

violence fm "perspectives"

In response to your post of pressure by dvs1 (with my personal acknowledgments to a certain mr. klock), that is soooo good. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy soon, either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6WkNkHcD6A

new Hood is really ace.

and i've been finding it harder to say that about any new techno recently.

i'm the complete opposite -- i'm finding techno to be very good lately! some stuff i've been feeling:

forward strategy group - combat codes (rawsome car-crusher techno, sounds as if neubauten ca "yu gung" released a record on downwards. i like how industrial influences are becoming more and more pronounced recently)
darko esser - songs for a real winter
tadeo - series 03
d knox - looking through your eyes
samuel l session - inner city dust (heavy mid 90s the advent style techno)
samuli kempii - kosmos ep
dj bone - my sunday 10"
dino sabatini - daughter of phorcys (the ghosts of old mika vainio midi sequences lurk in these trax)
perc - mandrake

then there's the sandwell district stuff, the last oni ayhun record, the terrance dixon record youtube'd above, the dvs1 thing (the b-side is even better btw), the brendan moeller thing on echochord, the excellent schermate label from italy -- just an overwhelming number of decent records coming out! and i'm sure just as many that i don't know about or have yet to discover. i think house and techno are becoming more distinct from each other again, techno trax are getting ruffer, more overdriven and industrial, taking influence from elsewhere (axis, sahko, fragile records, claude young, surgeon, early aphex, autechre, r&s etc) instead of relying on the same chain reaction/basic channel tropes, tempos are going up as house tempos are going down, you always read big european djs like steffi or tama sumo talking about a definite axis point in their sets where they will switch from house to techno as opposed to mixing it all together as they may've done maybe 2 or 3 or 4 years ago... maybe i'm talking out of my ass here and someone is gonna tell me that all those records are crap i dunno, but i'm honestly pretty excited about techno atm

new deepchord is amazing, theyve done a feelgood summer record! Literally the polar opposite of coldest season etc and the first dub techno record ive actually wanted to play out in aeons. BCN dub on constant rotation after coming back form sonar where I heard watery Jamie Jones tech houses version of summer a few too many times

got that dj bone 'sunday' on its way to me. very excellent. will check these others, r1o.

makam, 'hide you'

efficient and effective fer sure

glad to see some techno/house enthusiasm on this thread :)

yes, the new Hood is really, really great.
r1o, it seems like you would be into it from the stuff you mention. thanks for all those recs, will definitely be checking some of those out.
the new Deepchord is a lot warmer and more varied than coldest season, haven't gotten a chance to listen to it enough yet, but i'm liking it a lot.

Hey (r1o natsume), totally agree with you! I love the way that techno has become more industrial as you say.. I run the Komisch label, which samuli kemppi's 'kosmos' ep is released on, so thanks for supporting us! It is also funny that this idea of 'industrial' is with us again.. peter van hoesen who also releases on Komisch is a big new beat fan and samuli has a background in 90s techno. maybe it's because we are all a bit older . .
but thank you again for the support!

October

Gota say I was pretty bummed about the state of techno in recent years untill I found October: http://sonicrouter.blogspot.com/2009/04/interview-october-caravan_16.html we interviewed him and he did a quality mix way back last year. He had that free moving kinda organic, raw flow where you didn't quite know what was gonna happen next when a genre full of people where just doing it so tracky and predictable. He's done loads of killer mixes since too...

http://electronicexplorations.org/the-show/116-october/
http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2010/06/ssg-special-october.html
http://www.dubstepforum.com/immerse-session-03-dj-october-deep-house-classix-t142797.html

Kyle Hall and Omar-S have been doing it for me too, no idea how they keep it so lo-fi and loose and keep that dance floor bump. Kassem Mosse has been sounding hot as well but I need to explore that more.

I've stated my great fondness for Richard Davis before on ILM, and likewise my excitement that he released a new EP recently. Having just acquired that EP ("What You Are" on his own offshoot label, Safer), I can say that this record is fabulous!

djkomisch, been loving the komisch releases so far.

i think whats perceived as an industrial boom has been helped hugely by the berghain factor but what seems to be a thread running through a lot of the producers is that they have come back to dance music from working in other soundscapey/ambient/experimental music after a few years away from the dancefloor (myself included). Personally I feel theres something about creating a more populis functional piece of music to be used in this setting thats a bit more instantly fulfilling though maybe thats my narcissistic impulses coming out

i think spending more and more time away from the internet and dance clubs has also made me feel 'eh' about much techno, but r1o, the FSG stuff is pretty good, am listening now. i also have been liking what is coming out on Rodz-Konez.

on the other hand, this is probably my favorite band right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B2Sfg2-gS8

dark synth-punk....industrial veins here and there.....

any thoughts on immer 3? to be honest i'm surprised that the critical receptions are pretty good.

Digging: John Roberts - White

anyone feeling this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mLpWz8JED0

i thought Immer 3 was disappointing, don't think i'll be listening to it much.

currently feeling:
Mr G's new LP
Ben Klock - Berghain 04
Milky Disco III
Basic Soul Unit - Tuff Luv EP
DVS1 - Love Under Pressure
Samuli Kemppi - Kosmos EP (thanks r1o)
Tevo Howard's RA mix

really enjoying the Dettmann album, and the Robert Hood as people have said (War In The Streets!) minimal techno so much fun now that it's irrelevant / out of the limelight.

i like that cutty, but didnt find any info about it. seems like an amalgam of a lot of stuff, but well done - is it released?

i don't think it's released. found it because i'm doing some work for this group 4v4n l4v4 who sings on another track of theirs, which is equally awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qKuhSjSyfM

that narcisse stuff is pretty rad! is there a full length?

the robert hood is also a pretty good listen, and i've been trying to find a ton of stuff that r1o listed but was relatively unsuccessful. an industrial techno revival sounds amazing tho. so far i've just noticed a massive acid comeback, but people tell me that tends to go in cycles and never really sticks around for too long.

what's that milky disco 3 like?

sample in that first narcisse track is a cerrone track that also got used for this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/7mLpWz8JED0&fs=1&hl=en

wrong link?

lol, yes. try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GphJXuxYb44

re the return of acid :

http://www.the-x-agency.com/images/abeduque-liveandonacid-cover-350.jpg

disc 1

1 DANIEL METEO, IN THE MOOD
2 JACKSONVILLE, DUSK
3 ABE DUQUE, BIGBOMB (NEW TRACK)
4. SAVAS PASCALDIS, DEEP INSIDE YOUR EYES
5. VINNY TROIA, EXPRESSION
6. JON VIRTUE, BREADSNAPPER
7. ABE DUQUE AND HELMUT WULFGRUBER, LISA CADENA VOLUNE 2
8. ABE DUQUE, V2 (NEW TRACK)
9. NEUROTIC DRUM BAND, ROBOTIC HYPNOTIC ADVENTURE
10. ABE DUQUE FEAT VIRGINIA, BUMBLE BEE (NEW TRACK)
11. CHLOE, I DONT CARE
12. ABE DUQUE, NO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT

disc 2 :

1. PLEZ, CAN'T STOP
2. GENE LEFOSSE, THIS BASSLINE
3. MR FINGERS, DISTANT PLANET
4. BAM BAM, GIVE IT TO ME
5. STEVE SUMMERS, LAND OF THE MIND
6. DV8, OLD SCHOOL HOUSE
7. ABE DUQUE, ACID
8. THE UNDERGROUND SOLUTION, LUV DANCIN
9. TYREE COOPER, ACID CRASH
10. DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS, SURRENDER
11. ABE DUQUE, I'M YOUR MAN
12. REESE AND SANTONIO, THE SOUND
13. AUDIO CLASH, ELECTRO RHYTHM
14. LOGIC, THE WARNING
15. AIR LIQUIDE, LIQUID AIR
16. NU YORICAN SOUL, THE NERVOUS TRACK

re milky disco 3 : not happy re packaging. i loved the style of volumes 1 and 2, so would have preferred if they had continued that style.

The Wolf and Lamb album is making me want to move to New York.

Am I the only one that finds W+L boring?

one of my favs from milky disco 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0RKK565jE

xpost: EDB, no. i have no love for W+L, never have. really don't understand what the fuss is about.

speaking of though, does anyone know what the female voice on zev - don't break it is from?

As far as Wolf and Lamb go, its a well done combination of dub techno and deep house?

I listen to a lot from both sub genres (Luke Hess, Quantec, that kind of thing) and I like their style?

Its a lot sexier than what Sven Weisemann does, as an example.

i'm ok with what little wolf + lamb i do know of.

found that milky disco 3 without much difficulty, and i think i like it better than the others so far! oneohtrix point never whaa? awesome. the opening leo zero track is unlike anything else i've heard by him, and it is excellent

yeah w+l is way sexxxy

In particular I was referring to the broader wolf+lamb label roster (incl. Zev, Gadi, Lee Curtiss, Soul Clap, etc.)
Certainly there's good stuff here and there (I don't know if Nicolas Jaar counts, but he's among the better of it) but I find so much of it to be totally dull and lifeless (and a lot of the stuff that isn't tends to become so after awhile). This is all to say, I guess, that I can't see how people can, at their parties for, instance, listen to this stuff all night.

I think the comparison with Sven Weisemann is a bit out of left field, they ultimately have very little in common. He makes great music to just sit back and relax to: restrained and elegant, whereas W+L is just, well, not.

yeah, i find much of it completely lacking in originality.

Mr. G's newest is pretty good at first listen.

new mr g album has gotten better for me on repeated listens, love that bass.

love how the vocals on the first track are spaced out so perfectly to compliment the rhythm

not feeling: milky disco 3, mr g, abe duque,

sort of feeling, not really though: rob hood, prologue in general

feeling: berghain 04, milton bradley, samuli kemmpi

really feeling: giorgio gigli, r1o's post upthread about techno resurgence

really really feeling: actress, gerd janson live @ robert johnson

can we talk about those last two now?

FEELING TO DEATH: URBAN TRIBE ON MAHOGANI!

not feeling, sadly: new shake track on astrolab or osborn remix

consolation feeling: photonz remix

not feeling: most detroit house (esp theo parrish, moodymann somewhat less) going the way of carl craig circa innerzone orchestra

really feeling with trepidation: slow motion house a la 6th borough project, but worried if it pitches up it'll turn into underachieving tech house a la soma quality recordings, if it pitches down it'll turn into tosca

OTM re: slow motion house

I should probably check out the Urban Tribe and, when I can, put off buying the actress album finally.

actress is definitely going to be in the strong running for album of the year. it might also go down as being on the level of the first urban tribe album or it might be deeply overhyped. it's definitely better than the usual stuff that draws urban tribe comparisons (thomas fehlmann? sheesh) ... if urban tribe was like an intensely weeded-out detroit techno take on leftfield/IDM/downtempo 90s sound, actress is like an equivalent UK techno take on leftfield 00s dance music. i can definitely listen to it. again and again.

really, really feeling but with great trepidation: linkwood, firecracker, prime numbers, etc. good instincts and i like their sound but they are one more kaidi tatham collab away from turning into the 10s version of broken beat, which is exactly what all of this "micro-step" / new dubstep crap is too. it is good to see the association with actress and motor city drum ensemble, though like linkwood and firecracker he seems like he's sort of hibernating. also funny to see andres around - reminds me of trus'me because i'm still not sure if the last trus'me thing was actually a "black mahogani ii" style meltdown or just an amp fiddler style letdown

i'm totally with you on the robert johnson vol 4. what other comps has gerd janson done besides that one and the computer incarnations for world peace series? and i know next to nothing about his productions, any guidance on where to start with those?

and i think we were talking about actress on the dance partisans thread. didn't expect to like that album nearly as much as i did, it's a nice variety of styles that all happen to fit with my taste. particularly like "always human" and "maze"

and linkwood was awesome in sf last friday. have you heard the latest firecracker thing?

the vakula ep is what i was referring to, but there's a lot of other stuff on here and it all sounds pretty rad to me tbh - http://soundcloud.com/firecracker-recordings

no, i am waiting to buy it on itunes. i haven't actually liked the other vakula stuff i've heard that much but maybe i've heard the wrong stuff.

i've been really getting into the firecracker EPs 1-4 since i've been listening to mp3s a lot lately and i happened to be able to buy those off itunes. and same with the linkwood LP. just now revealing hidden layers of genius, now that i'm a little more familiar with the songs and what they've chosen to do - where at first i was just looking for competent detroit house homages - i'm appreciating better how good they are at those things and appreciating the cool subtle craftsmanship and tricks in their tracks.

prime numbers stuff actually hasn't sounded as good to me since one early november morning, deeply hungover, dozing in my parked car at 4 am, watching streetlights through the drizzle. but i keep trying.

How I'd love me a copy of the first Firecracker EP. Barely Eagle!

I'd love me a copy of the linkwood album too.

I also meant to say, upthread, that I hope to one day stop putting off buying the actress album. That's been in the cards for me for over a month and a half now.

barely eagle is on EP4. first EP has linkwood's "miles away", another linkwood track, fudge fingas sampling marvin gaye track too.

i want to start a thread about the gerd janson comp (he doesn't have any others btw) where we break down track by track where all of the other tracks have shown up. for example, the first four tracks can be found in places like

track 1: an intellinet comp, a definitive recordings comp, and a comp called "latin electrico!"

track 2: comps on choice (purveyors of "sensual deep house for the mind" and "latina beach bar house") and session (idjuts, maurice fulton, chicken lips, faze action, various other nuphonic and paper artists, etc)

track 3: ewan pearson comp, tiga comp

track 4: westbam comps, japanese and dutch hard house comps, subliminal comps, etc

see, i think these sorts of juxtapositions are interesting

Well, miles away is a good track too!

^absolutely. and i think you can probably still find a copy of ep4 on the interwebs someplace, probably the linkwood album too.

also ps- thanks to this thread for inspiring me to listen to my firecracker/prime numbers playlist nonstop for the last day or so

an obscure source tipped me to this and it is awesome:

http://soundcloud.com/jujujordash/sets/juju-jordash-tattoos-island-ep-incl-tom-trago-remix-philpot

i love this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP3p9ZFoxtQ

san soda lp out at the end of the month:D

Xpost: Yes. Am really enjoying that. Was in need of nice, stripped back, well producer house jam like this.

since his music is licensed under cc, does anyone have a link to OAR003?

looks like all of them are here:

http://resistancealamode.com/eternity-is-a-mere-moment-just-long-enough-for-a-joke/

thanks!!

OAR004 is pretty tite

is this thing on?

techno / house / disco / bass / electronic bobbins listening club

xpost yeah i think the justified hype around OAR003-B has obscured the greatness of the rest of this stuff. and what i mean by that is that i'm really late in listening to the rest of these tracks. damn.

Id say about half the Oni ayhun tracks have been great, the more industrial/experimental ones a lot less successful. OAR004 is the one ive played out most but 3 is definitely the one for the cuddly afterparties

so ... anyone else digging a made up sound this year?

new demdike stare is also insane ... maybe this is the wrong thread for that type of stuff?

would love to be convinced wrt demdike stare but 'symbiosis' never clicked with me for some reason

how do people feel about the roll the dice album? maybe this isn't the perfect thread to discuss it (might have already mentioned it actually), but it's knife/fever ray-related and hits many of the same sweet spots as the recent emeralds and oneohtrix albums, with bits of dub techno mixed in. really well-produced stuff

RTD is legitimately awesome

the made up sound record was in seth troxler's picadilly picks so i call bobbins. The basic soul unit mixes he did slay.

yes, roll the dice is really great. has kind of a cluster/harmonia vibe goin on. only track i don't really like is "into the ground".

on first listen i didn't dig the new Demdike Stare as much as Symbiosis, but it might just need some time to sink in.

needs headphones

i had a dream last night i found a detroit techno album i'd never heard before! it was called ... ok i forget already what it was called but the cover was a photo of the moonscape with a green filter, and it was a collaboration between dego and ... someone from detroit. also several of the tracks had morgan geist co-production. i really miss finding new detroit techno.

-- vahid (vfoz...), July 8th, 2005

this needs to exist!!

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, July 8, 2005

now it does

anyone digging the new Ame single? awesome slow burners in the vein of their remix for NWA. they're getting more mature and it's the better for them.

look upthread.

is everyone excited for roman flugel live at robert johnson?

i've been repping A Made Up Sound since 06, you peeps been sleeeepin.

that said, the Roman Flugel live at RJ is probably the best in the series thus far, that's for sure. diggin it.

really enjoying his soylent green tracks

Just ordered BLAMMA BLAMMA 'Beyond 17' and the MCDE mix of T COY 'Carino'

This is a really nice 4 track EP (album sampler, actually): Marcello Napoletano - This Movement Must be the Moment

The new John Heckle on Mathematics is nice, too.

loooooooooving this

http://soundcloud.com/franktope/lambeth-contemporary-dance-workshop

dude ok im only 10 mins in but this if fucking awesome!

frank tope is a fucking incredible dj

anyone know what track is playing during the first four minutes of this mix?

http://soundcloud.com/trusme/ppp-april-2010

absolutely loving this miracles club group from portland. sleek driving acid house that just elevates oh so nicely. i heard they are banging live too.

http://www.thefader.com/2010/03/10/miracles-club-light-of-love-mp3/

im loving the new sistol record, esp the first track

re: miracles club, the stuff i've heard from them in the past didn't impress me much. i went to see them at 222 hyde, and they didn't show up! van problems or something. they have a track on this compilation that's pretty good though: http://soundcloud.com/pacific-housing-authority

Anyone heard Shed's new album yet?

I think you can stream the whole thing on Soundcloud here

I'm not sure if those are the actual track lengths or not, though.

Yes, and those are the actual track lengths afaik. I like the new album, but I haven't listened enough to pull out any standout favorites.

Just listening now, not sure what to make of it really.

If I think of it as a non-Shed, anonymous album by someone I've never heard of it's OK.

The part of me wishing for some more nasty Shedfunk is thinking meh.

That Frank Tope mix is lovely

speaking of shed, i've been listening to **tons** of shed lately ... and i'm wonder, t/s: WAX vs EQD??

new Komisch release is out this week by a new artist we really rate, SP-X. Actually, it's his debut record and we're really proud of him!

i think EQD is better than WAX

really digging EQD0003, reminds me a lot of classic pure plastic

it would be rad if rush hour or somebody did a 3cd soloaction box someday

On those topics I would not at all mind if someone put out a Wax/EQD comp.

it all fits on a 2CD tho wax is quite monotonous when it's put end-to-end

shed really deserves much more discussion than he gets on ILM ... mt kimbie, guido and joy orbison much much less

Still really, really regret that I was too lazy to walk between venues to see Shed's set earlier this year. His stuff has been consistently up my alley.

can i just say that i really dislike MCDE's productions and think he's a dumbo?

can i just say you're a twat? thank you

soloaction comp would be so sick

nah i didn't mean that, sorry (but soloaction comp wld be great)

is anyone else feeling the schermate label out of italy? way more unteresting than prologue and all that fashionable shit. think early perlon mixed with the sampledelia side of mff and your half way there. funky post-minimal with weird grainy tape loops. it's very geeky stuff but i can't enough of it at the moment

i guess like russ gabriel and some of the weird weeded out mid-period ifach stuff is also a touchpoint for the wonderful techno record label called schermate from italy

has anyone heard the cdrs from this label? how do you even get hold of them?

I have a lot of time for Shed the DJ too. His FACT and recent RA mix both top dollar.

re MCDE no you cant just say that, you have to say why you think so

i think he's quite short on ideas and originality but also real good at what he does on a workmanlike level

also re: a lot of the shit people say about him he's done a lot to promote detroit house so it's a bit like rob hood fans complaining about mnml

Still really, really regret that I was too lazy to walk between venues to see Shed's set earlier this year. His stuff has been consistently up my alley.

― mh, Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ouch. It was definitely a festival highlight for me. Probably 2nd best, actually.

Though it continues to bother me, the idea of MCDE (i.e. the name and image) was the reason I avoided him for a long time, but when I heard Deep Cuts 3 and 4 I was too enamoured to uphold my embargo.

the real good as a craftsman point is apposite, I'd say.

Juan Atkins resurfacing:

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2010/09/mantis-juan-atkins-remix
http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2010/08/huesca (I think it was LWE that had this one a while back)
http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2010/08/stream-new-model-500-single-r-s

posted this to fb yesterday, but really liking this EP by UK act WAFA, who play a hard, electro-styled house, with dubstep production touches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqL9lKUKNv4

other recent likes:
KA SO RE - Bunnies (neo filter disco-ish house from finland)
Lone - Pineapple Crush (first straight house from Lone that I've heard, in similar vein as Tensnake Coma Cat)
Tornado Wallace - Paddlin (deep beardo? smoooove)
Juana Molina - Un Dia [Reboot mix] (nice minimal remix of this song)
It's A Fine Line - Do the Hot Tar (minimal electrohouse, have liked everything these guys have done so far)
Caribou - Bowls [James Holden mix] (not really a dance track anymore, but really nice and hypnotic)

ok, that lone is actually nowhere near as house-y as tensnake, closer to a pump compressed joy orbison

^ that stuff is rad dominique! gotta love how that lone track uses THE ubiquitous hip-house sample ("it takes two", mr. lee's "get busy", etc)

Still really, really regret that I was too lazy to walk between venues to see Shed's set earlier this year. His stuff has been consistently up my alley.

― mh, Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ouch. It was definitely a festival highlight for me. Probably 2nd best, actually.

― EDB, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 04:14 (3 days ago) Bookmark

yeah, shed live is something else. definitely worth looking for any mixes of his for download on the web. bodytonic and sonar sets are both good. should really look for some more myself.

i'm liking the traveller a lot after a couple listens, and don't understand sawan's 'ok / meh' reaction at all - the short tracks work really well, i think, and let him play up his numbing-repetitive style (the shifting stresses on the bass kick in 'hdrtm' reminds me of sitting in one of those massage chairs at the sharper image) in a varied way that allows lots of interesting/pretty sounds into the mix too (aka why i will probably never come back to the peter van hoesen album, good as it may have been). how often would you really listen to a wax/eqd collection straight through? i see it as a nice way of cutting through the dance album divide between 8 club tracks strung together, minute-long kick drum intros and all, and pantha du prince style twinkle dinkle 'crossover' albums.

what we really need is a t/s between shed and actress, the two classiest album-artists pushing post-'wonky' uk dance in house/techno, no?

well actually i listened to all of either wax or eqd or both several times over every day the last two weeks ... though i freely admit that i'm pretty tired of both right now and I've switched to all scion versions and sleeparchive EPs all the time

and there's enough good 4/4 techno out there right now that i'm not sure why anybody would concern themselves too much w/ post-wonky except as a desperate attempt to cling to anglocentrism

well i doubt there are many people whose only contact with techno is post-wonky or whatever, but i do like both of their takes on the sound (i don't follow these guys too closely but my impression is that these guys are pretty taken with the wonky aesthetic - just look at the hardwax podcasts)

maybe i should have said "album-artists pushing the post-'wonky' aesthetic" instead?

you mean the wax treatment podcasts or something else?

yeah wax treatment, i guess calling it all wonky is reductive but there are usually half a dozen dubsteppy tracks for every 4x4 techno track - unless i'm missing something and it's some kind of 'outreach' podcast? is there really that much difference between a shed set and a scuba set these days?

i only brought up actress cause for all the similarity in description between him and the hardwax camp (as in, techno copping trends from dubstep), they're pretty different - i find actress comes out most nicely in mixes, though i can't really listen to more than a few standalone tracks without getting bored with it, while once i start listening to shed the only thing stopping me from going all day is all this other damn music i meant to listen to.

but the most interesting connection here to me is fiedel/MMM's use of sprightly lil silva/emvee style uk funky in wax treatment #8 (and elsewhere?), pretty much the opposite of the disorienting slo-mo style that actress and shed take yet such a perfect complement to the MMM style - more of this please!

re: MCDE— he does have a workmanlike precision in his productions, i admit, and there is a crispness to them. i just can't get over the fact that he's a white kid biting a style and getting tons of cred for it. yes, this is a pipecock opinion, but whatever.

yeah, when i hear a pipecock opinion my opinion is "whatever" too

i'm not sure why it matters that he's white - if his name was raheem and he was a north african immigrant to stuttgart would it be cool? there's a big US army base in stuttgart, maybe he got hooked up w/ some black dudes from chicago? would it be cooler if he was a white dude with black friends? cause then i'm pretty sure he'd be approaching pipecock status.

complaining about biting styles is one thing but when you specify "white kid biting a style" it gets SUSPECT.GIF

okay, full disclosure: i want to kiss him and tousle his hair, and am jealous of him. so.

Scuba's sets are really melodic and kind of less techno than someone like Shed. Shed tends to go for the stright up dub techno dubstep sort of stuff most of the time and Scuba plays way more of the Joy Orbison, Seplacure, George Fitzgerald or even Mount Kimbie kind of stuff that has that flowing garage vibe to it with loads of warm deep house melodies and uplifting bits here and there. He does play some strught up techno as well mind, as well as some rawer dubstep. I've not heard Shed go in that direction much. I've seen some brilliant Scuba sets, he's a hell of a DJ. I dig Shed too.

http://vimeo.com/8805059

Anyone else heard Greatest Hits by dOP? Really not sure about it, kinda queasy/seasicky deep housey stuff with pretty awful vocals.

I should add that the good tracks are REALLY good, reminiscent of the new Superpitcher record actually.

jimitheexploder making the distinction i failed to make. when i hear "post-wonky" it makes me think joy orbison / mt kimbie / floating points etc and i can't really take that stuff seriously because in ten years "post-wonky" is going to scan the way "jazzy vocal jungle" does now.

as far as funky goes, remember grime?

dubstep-infused techno is one thing but really actress is like a midpoint between "post-wonky", misplaced nostalgia for the neverending lameness that is the "bass continuum" or whatever nonsense they're calling it now, and boards of canada style distorted wistful IDM. i've really been thinking the links between actress and techno have been overstated and it's just the next incarnation of IDM or whatever, look out for upcoming collaborations on planet mu or something and that's all she wrote ...

i've been thinking about t++ lately and realized he's attempting what forward strategy group is achieving on applied generics #1. if people are going to try to make bass-infused techno i hope they make it in that vein rather than some crap that ends up sounding like instra:mental.

my final shot across your bow will be to suggest that as much as i love shed i think he's a pretty crap DJ and that the wax treatment podcasts are a real bore. it's cool that these guys want to do outreach but i want to suggest that like dj maxximus or soundstream what's really great about him is actually the distance between what he is and what he wants to be, and if like dj maxximus he ever succeeds in crossing over to the other side then he'll start to actually suck.

lol post-wonky sounds like your postman has one leg shorter than the other and keeps dropping your letters

i'm not sure why it matters that he's white - if his name was raheem and he was a north african immigrant to stuttgart would it be cool? there's a big US army base in stuttgart, maybe he got hooked up w/ some black dudes from chicago? would it be cooler if he was a white dude with black friends? cause then i'm pretty sure he'd be approaching pipecock status.

It would have been cooler if he just presented himself in such a way that wasn't intentionally using other people's struggles, achievements and brand as a crutch to promote his own career.

If I were to start a Discord ripoff band with a bunch of other white people and market it as The D.C. Minor Threat Discord Project it would still be a completely shitty move that deserves to be mocked.

The other thing to remember is that he wasn't always: "hahah lolz we make cars in Stuttgard, too. Here is a picture of my face..." Those first few records were designed to mislead people and there was nothing in the marketing effort to clarify where the records were coming from.

this strikes me as putting the cart before the horse, or maybe even serious kool-aid intoxication. anybody can claim they're from detroit, it's up to us to judge whether the music is good or not. it sounds like you're arguing he doesn't have the right to pretend he's from detroit because being from detroit enriches his music in a way that he doesn't deserve. if anybody is seriously tool enough to buy a record just because it makes some reference to moodymann or detroit or whatever and then get all butthurt and faux-betrayed then ... well, you probably get my point.

i guess what i'm saying is that the whole dynamic is on YOU, not him, and you're basically just projecting your own isolationist anxiety onto some convenient european. if you're seriously trying to posit that proximity to *real life black people from detroit* - which is, if i understand you and pipecock as well as i think do, your whole game - is some sort of actual valuable commodity then the problem originates with you, not him.

truth is your and pipecock's name-dropping is much more cloying than yours, and i don't really care if he's from stuttgart and you're anthony shakir's adopted sons or whatever.

whoops, i meant "more cloying than his"

The thing though, is that people do buy records because it references moodymann or detroit or whatever, and the idea of Detroit has become an instrument of self promotion for many - for whom the reality of Detroit is often a very distant fact, replaced by an idea of Detroit founded on myth, fetishization, exoticization, etc.
While homages are all fine and good, determining the boundaries of innocuous citation and misappropriation can be difficult (e.g. how does something like Morgan Geist's Driving Memoirs compare to MCDE?) and the latter (which I think MCDE falls closer to), I'd argue, is often founded on a conception of “Detroit” founded in myth etc. Constructing a self-image based around this myth, and it's entailed obfuscation of the reality of Detroit, including aspects of race, class, and social politics that comprise it, I think is in fact a problem, one which extends beyond a strictly formal reading of music (as music can't help but be filtered through the signs with which its articulated, whether it be an 808, or putting pictures of black kids on your sleeves and putting motor city in your name). The flipside to all this, though, is that it’s just as well possible for dudes from Detroit to mythologize the past, and similarly give their own history the distance with which it can be mythologized, facilitate fetishization of it, etc.

Ultimately then, the problem isn't just who's more detroit then who, and hence who has more right to stake a claim to this idea than others. The problem is more the whole issue of claiming detroit to begin with, the various meanings that come out of it, and the ways that history is being is being used to certain ends, often of self promotion (which of course isn't exclusive to white dudes from outside of detroit, either).

Semantics aside, though, Raw Cuts 3/4 still killllllllls.

MCDE's work is at least good, I doubt I could say the same about this:

http://www.datatransmission.co.uk/images/news/5581/shlomi_cover.jpg

really actress is like a midpoint between "post-wonky", misplaced nostalgia for the neverending lameness that is the "bass continuum" or whatever nonsense they're calling it now, and boards of canada style distorted wistful IDM

so, 'post-wonky' then...? OK christ yeah it's a horrible word but i only brought it up to talk about, not to say it's the future of techno or even that shed's totally brilliant (i find his mixing pretty boring for the most part too), just that there's a point of comparison between him and actress and the similarity is in techno + 'bass music' or whatever we're calling it, despite the fact that they don't actually sound all that similar and that actress is just idm in disguise or whatever. maybe instead i should ask whether people think the short tracks on shed's new album work as well as the long tracks on his first album, because as much as i liked that one i think this album is much snappier and more listenable as an 'album' - the compromise pays off, right? i don't follow you re: grime/funky though - was there a grime/techno crossover period?? did it sound kinda like MMM? i also haven't heard forward strategy group or dj maxximus, so i might have lost you there. BUT i really like your point that what can be great about these artists is the distance between where they're at and where they want to be - like who would care if shed actually sounded like distance or 2562 or whatever boring dubstep he likes?

i guess what i'm saying is that the whole dynamic is on YOU, not him, and you're basically just projecting your own isolationist anxiety onto some convenient european. if you're seriously trying to posit that proximity to *real life black people from detroit* - which is, if i understand you and pipecock as well as i think do, your whole game - is some sort of actual valuable commodity then the problem originates with you, not him.

I think you are projecting things onto me that have nothing to do with what I actually think.

You are so tied up in trying to prove me wrong that you aren't actually listening to my point. I think it is a pretty simple one and it doesn't really have anything to do with Detroit, per se.

Here is a scenario and you can tell me if you think this is ethical or not:

I am going to start a label called Dettmann Berlin. The A sides are going to be stamped with just the name "Dettmann Berlin" and the B-side is going to be a map of Berlin. The music is going to be my version Berghain techno and the one sheet is going to be *intentionally* cryptic as to the actual provenance of this music.

Is it cool to intentionally mislead people using other people's achievements in order to gain exposure? Is that ethical?

so it be cool, say, for french people to get this butthurt over the mid 80s when detroit dudes were naming their clubs after fashion houses in paris?

anyway, yeah, i think it's cool. and it's funny that some people bought this record just because they thought it was from detroit and then got mad that it wasn't. and then some people got mad that he even pulled the trick, though i wonder if you'd have the same problem if he actually *had* been from detroit, and what that says about detroit. you're like the patriot brigade except detroit techno is your ground zero. get over it.

On this subject, what do people make of Soulphiction with all his black power vocal samples n shit?

so it be cool, say, for french people to get this butthurt over the mid 80s when detroit dudes were naming their clubs after fashion houses in paris?

It's cats and dogs and doesn't actually address my point.

anyway, yeah, i think it's cool. and it's funny that some people bought this record just because they thought it was from detroit and then got mad that it wasn't. and then some people got mad that he even pulled the trick, though i wonder if you'd have the same problem if he actually *had* been from detroit, and what that says about detroit. you're like the patriot brigade except detroit techno is your ground zero. get over it.

Vahid, for such a smart guy, you are really quick with those ad hominem attacks. You are so busy trying to prove how big your dick is that you aren't bothering to read.

It doesn't say anything about Detroit because it doesn't have anything to do with Detroit. It's lame because it is tacky shortcut marketing. Make a record, put your name on them and send it out into the market. The dance market is totally wide open, put it on wax and send it to people you like. It's really not that hard.

It might take a couple years, but if you are decent and have your own style people will pick up on it. Why not make up your own shit instead of trying to get over on work that you didn't do? It is a basic principle, it doesn't have anything to do with medium or genre.

Another to make clear is that it isn't about keeping it real vs. fantasy. I am totally cool with keeping it fake, hell, fake is better 70% of the time. It's just that if you are going to keep it fake, make it your own kind of fake. P-Funk is as fake as you can get, but they grabbed Sun Ra's fake and twisted into their own thing.

people mythologize places they haven't been and appropriate cultures they aren't apart of. it happens in every genre and i don't see what the big deal is in this particular instance. if you don't like the music that's fine, if you like the music but think the dudes a dork, thats fine too, but i think its nagl to get too serious about it.

i still don't get why that makes it okay for omar s to stamp DETROIT on the front of his records

tornado wallace is AWESOME. i love "tornado never dies"

people mythologize places they haven't been and appropriate cultures they aren't apart of. it happens in every genre and i don't see what the big deal is in this particular instance. if you don't like the music that's fine, if you like the music but think the dudes a dork, thats fine too, but i think its nagl to get too serious about it.

I agree. MCDE's promotion strategy is a cop out but the only person getting worked up about it is the imaginary militia dude in Vahid's head. There are bigger things to worry about than whether or not MCDE is a douche. Trust me, I don't lose any sleep over that guy.

i still don't get why that makes it okay for omar s to stamp DETROIT on the front of his records

I would say the difference is that Omar S has used that kind of shamelessness to build an interesting persona. The other thing is that he has built a body of work that stands on its own(from the tracky raw stuff to the deep crossover stuff), has done some good A&R work(launched careers of Kyle Hall, Luke Hess, and Jus-Ed), plus dude wears sweet ass shark tshirts

http://www.divshare.com/img/12534125-d0b.jpg

It also helps that dude grew up in and lives in Detroit.

However, I would contrast all of that with somebody like DJ Bone and Subject Detroit. Bone really plays the Detroit thing to the hilt and his production and A&R work(outside of Tears by Aaron Carl which is dope) just don't stand up. In the process, it just kind of makes him look like a tool and makes me take him and his label less seriously.

IOW If you are going to put Detroit on something, it better be really good or you are just going to look like an ass.

well i'm glad you bring up dj bone because that's exactly the sort of thing i'm talking about. it doesn't really strike me as too cool that detroit dudes get a free pass on it but MCDE doesn't.

shed's new one is fucking great! yeah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGRUfKhrRSA

1:30 in

i'm kinda loving this, predictably

I already posted this in the mix thread, but as it's a techno mix, here's my selection for September - hope you enjoy it!

http://soundcloud.com/djkomisch/djkomischmixseptember14th2010mp3-1

Ibex: Mystery Babylon (Yore)
James Kumo: Coming Home (Curle)
Tevo Howard: Without Me (Beautiful Granville)
Juju & Jordash: Tatoo's Island (Tom Trago remix) (Philpot)
Keith Worthy:Rockit Science (Aesthetic Audio)
Quince & Benny Rodrigues: 7Up (Smallville)
XDB: Cagomi (Metrolux)
Franco Cangelli: Paper Cut (MLZ remix) (Mowar)
Kvadratklang: Pulsemotel (Deephart)
Mike Dehnert & Roman Lindau: MDRL2 (Fachwerk)
Frozen Border: 4B (Frozen Border)
Horizontal Ground: 1A (Horizontal Ground)
Monobox: Monobox (M Plant)
Orphx: Stillpoint (Sonic Groove)
Traversable Wormhole: When 2D Meets 3D (Peter Van Hoesen remix) (CLR)
Octave One: Fifteenthirteen (430 West)
Planetary Assault Systems: Gruve (Peacefrog)

does anyone know what the Marvin Gaye edit is that comes about 30 mins into the Frank Tope mix linked above? Comes after Trus'me's WAR I think. Help greatly appreciated!

okay, I'm going for the corny re-edits thing today. This mix I am enjoying;
http://www.plasmodium.net/podcast/plasmodium-radio-49-tanner-ross-decibel-festival-preview/

The tracklisting fails to mention this edit (well I think it's this one anyway). Want this on 12".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkPneu7LVI&feature=related

I know there are some Aaron Carl fans around here and he has visited this site in the past. He was hospitalized for some pretty serious health issues in the last couple weeks and in the process he was diagnosed with cancer. If you would like to let him know that you appreciate him and his work, you can leave him a short note here:

http://www.facebook.com/aaroncarl313

jesus that's awful.

mmmm, the Marvin Gaye in that mix is Jesse Rose - "You Know It" from Sleep Less (Night Two).

thanks SSS.

new a made up sound EP out?

sick!!!

Maybe my favourite Techno/House Bobbins 2010 12" this year has to be: http://www.discogs.com/Erik-Fiedel-Nous-Sommes-MMM/release/2154929 It sounds like a long lost rave anthem that disintegrated under my shit description just then and decided to stretch itself out into a pent up dance floor beast, all while it happened to be listen to a load of grime and that, before moving off into strange new places instead of going all spooky and obvious like those nostalgic chillwav’s.

best erik or fiedel joint since donna IMO with the exception of "makin' love" and "live goes on"

"donna" and "live goes on" really shit on everything else from a very great height though

"extra time" on the new a made up sound is the shit!

get it on itunes

Maybe my favourite Techno/House Bobbins 2010 12" this year has to be: http://www.discogs.com/Erik-Fiedel-Nous-Sommes-MMM/release/2154929 It sounds like a long lost rave anthem that disintegrated under my shit description just then and decided to stretch itself out into a pent up dance floor beast, all while it happened to be listen to a load of grime and that, before moving off into strange new places instead of going all spooky and obvious like those nostalgic chillwav’s.

― jimitheexploder, Friday, October 1, 2010 6:12 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

wow this is fucking amazing!

that was on that mix that joakim and his brother did for RA a while back (az bouaziz brothers), with the UR 'transitions' speech over the top - sooo sick.

Word to the wise, the Brennan Green remix of Bubble Club's Lonely Acid is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdOToCMKGgQ

album Jan 2011

xpost: Dj Sprinkles presents K-S.H.E. - Double Secret (SKYLAX)

That Hall & Oates edit is fucking awesome! jesus it so good
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Aaron Carl RIP :(

this is technically arediscoeditsthenewelectroclash bobbins, but this is a jammm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cG0pXIXyFY&feature=related

That's on the James Murphy/Pat Mahoney Fabric

that lenny williams song is most certainly a jam. the editing on that edit seems poor to me though. which is my problem with a bunch of disco edits i have heard. taking great source material and making something less than great with that material. which was probably my problem with electroclash too. or mashups. i certainly understand the appeal of the money shot groove or riff or break or whatever. to put it mildly. (i had a stack of 45s out today and i put on the winstons and played the amen break 20 times in a row and STARED at the drum break that you can actually SEE on the 45 and it hypnotized me and it was majik. so, um, its not the repetition of past greatness that i have a problem with. probably just a problem with bad editing skillz.)

micarl, I'm pretty sure they actually use this (imo superior) version done by one of the true masters, Danny Krivit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GDQNVYOXrM&feature=related

Does the editing on this one treat you better scott?

oh hell yes. but danny is godlike and there are few better.

Word to the wise, the Brennan Green remix of Bubble Club's Lonely Acid is really good.

agreed! though i dig pretty much everything on the 3 releases bubble club put out so far. the dr dunks remix of violet morning moon is one of my favorites of the year for sure, and my copy of the 'morning star' 12" has been on the turntable quite a bit lately as well

OH, and his recent beats in space is an amazing weirdo-80's/balearic mix with stuff like malcolm mclaren opera-funk, thomas dolby b-sides, it's immaterial, junior byron- pretty much exactly up my alley and not necessarily what i expected based on his production work (maybe i should take it to the balearic thread tho, sorry guys)

this is totally the kind of thing that old fogeys like me like, but i can't help it, it makes me so happy. and its one of the reasons why mashups and modern beardo edits and the like don't do much for me. but anyway i would LOVE to see jamz murphy do something with "can you move" by modern romance (cuz i love it and them so much and i think he could twist and turn them in good ways and david morales did a remix of it years ago but he's no hero of mine and its okay but not great) and danny includes it here in his circus remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF0q27RYlc&feature=related

shit but sorry and respect due to morales cuz anyone who had anything to do with do it properly deserves to have their face tattooed on my back. god i really am old. sorry. i'm out. been drinking.

I only first heard the Lenny Williams jam in the mentioned muphy/mahoney mix, hence I knew of it for a week before I bought that 12", not even knowing an edit of it was on it. I'll listen to the krivit edit, though.

Well I know this ain't the thread for it but listen to the original too, cause it's great in itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPncIfzig90

And while you're at it check out Choosing You too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sOKm28qkXM&NR=1

Heh, I just assumed the version in the murphy/mahoney mix was the original (thanks to thoroughly negligible tracklisting work on the part of fabric). I was wondering how something from the early 80's sounded so housey.

harmonious thelonious?

i'm curious what dancey people think of this group. brought them up on the salem thread cuz they are on the same label. guessing they may be too goth/corny/industrial or whatever for bobbins folks. but what do i know? (i like stuff that is goth, corny, and industrial. and i like these videos too.) (was also stoned when i first watched these videos so that might explain their appeal at the time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrnTY9_KMQg&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLFzqlz4hsM&feature=player_embedded

hey do you guys like this album glass eights by john roberts

apparently this is the album art

http://static.boomkat.com/images/367934/333.jpg

I'm calling rip off of this, coverwise:
http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2009/fright001.jpg
Haven't heard the album, though.

Its simply an example of a revival in deliberately primitive collage thats been going on the last couple of years

loving farben "a spiral worldorder"

really enjoyed the john roberts album on first listen, beautiful stuff

it is!

This is really good:

http://www.bleep43.com/podcast/2010/11/17/podcast-187-shake.html

This is really good too, but not bobbins 2010:

http://www.jeffersonave.com/derrick-may-mayday-mix

lee foss's u got me ep is definitely pushing my buttons right now

yes! love techno with disembodied r&b samples

also!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvVbg2LnJvg&feature=player_embedded

(full 7-min version obv much better but this is what's on youtube)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Jz7-4OSIo

seriously though, in 2010, fuck a disembodied r&b sample

anyway they did disembodied r&b samples way better in the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PtKkbnzg8

seriously though, in 2010, fuck a moonship journey to baja

4 real, cunt off you boring, unpleasant man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8A4CoKiAsc

whatevs, clown

Can someone translate "cunt off" from britishes for me?

I'm guilty of loving the occasional bodiless r&b sample, only not really feeling any guilt. I get the standpoint from which they're viewed negatively, though.

someone played that house of jazz record out recently can't remember who tho (boo williams maybe?) - its good!

mh - its probably not really in need of any translation!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfnhPQfDxS4

This Djebali tune is terrific.

new robag mix cd on kompakt - but it doesn't have THAT track that he spent the last 18 months hauling round and still remains un-ID-ed

Anyone have any idea about a house track with wailing diva vocals going "I need you, I neeeed you" etc. (I think the vocals may be lifted from somewhere else) with pads or something of the sort running underneath, and then some 303 comes in. I feel like I've heard this before several times, and this might be obvious, but I certainly can't figure it out and would like to.

"4 real, cunt off you boring, unpleasant man

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, November 19, 2010 4:12 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark"

Kinda feel like there could be a separate Techno Bobbins thread now -- there's just so much great stuff coming out week upon week upon week that greatly overshadows the dregs of mindless overproduced Ableton house that great critical minds such as the Lex champion. If anything, just to avoid negativity like in the above quote. I mean, it's little wonder this thread generates about 5 posts per month when that's what people are greeted with. Anyway.

The new release on Slow To Speak (a label that is so much better when it puts out original stuff rather than overpriced one sided vinyl reissues) is immense. Further fueling the inevitable utopian techno takeover, Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit by Chasing Voices is all grainy digital synth choirs, hyper syncopated restless drum patterns, and endlessly modulated filter noises. The synths are so beautifully woozy, they wow and flutter like old VHS machines. You can almost visualize the reverb as if watching the trails from street lamps when driving through a rainy city at night. It's an update on that classic ART/Ifach/B12 sound but seems to be going in a new direction somehow. And crucially contains plenty of dance floor pressure. Extremely sick. Not sure who Chasing Voices are, their previous release was an analog half-stepper that skirted the similar realms that artists such as Raime and Demdike Stare have been exploring, interpreting contemporary dance music trends through the cracked lenses of industrial and dark wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfuWP4qwg7g

Actually both releases are on Preserved Instincts which I guess is a Slow To Speak sub label.

2010 is proving a wonderful year for music (though I wouldn't want the bobbins thread to be split - for me i like to have it all in one thread, things i like, things i don't like and things i might like - the boundaries between the 3 aren't always that clear for me and its a good way for me to hear some things i might not otherwise)

anyone heard the new melchior? people seem a bit down on it, i'm not keen on the spanish vocal side but i like the little i've heard of the other side, cinza de fenix

also, been feeling Royal Oak records this year (the Gerd releases anyway!)

Chymera - Ghosts EP, esp These Jagged Shards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbs2H1saVh0&feature=related

Please no one use the word "overproduced" in relation to dance music ever again, okthxbye.

The short track the Lex posted (just using this as an example, not an ad hom) sounds overproduced to me; tons of attention paid to minute EQ and compression details in place of an actually engaging composition, or interesting ideas. Ditto the Djebali tune you posted, it sounds nice but does literally nothing but that for 9 minutes (again not meant as a personal attack). Same with Lee Foss - U Got Me. Same with the overhyped snooze fest that is the John Roberts album. There's a transparency, or sterility to those kind of productions that strikes me as too complacent, too orthodox, and devoid of emotion. Just too clean and polite. I feel like there is a lot of stuff that's been coming out that places itself into opposition against those kind of productions. Take Mike Dehnhart's recent record on Echochord, the mix and sound design is top notch, yet the hi-hats crunch and the synths sound like they're coated in motor oil. Or D'Marc Cantu's Black Tears on Creme Jak, the loops sound mismatched and rub against each other in unpredictable directions. Both club worthy tunes that sound amazing on a big system but full of imperfections and blemishes. I know this isn't anything new, listen to most productions pre-the DAW revolution and you'll hear the same thing. I've got nothing against computer music however and wish to retract my stupid Ableton diss.

Apologies if you were just going for the quick put down though and don't want to engage in discussion.

It's a fair complaint but I don't really agree with it (disclaimer, not heard any of the records you're citing as alternatives, willing to believe they're excellent). I don't think there's anything wrong with just wanting to bathe in tune for a few minutes so I'm being a bit hippy and not viewing it as an either/or thing.

Also these threads have a history of people turning personal opinions about production techniques into tedious rigid ideological crusdades. The phrase "mindless overproduced Ableton house" was kind of Pipecocky and made my knee jerk snarkily.

also as much as lex's reaction was ott, it wasn't the beginning of the "negativity" you complain about...

If Vahid is actually offended or bothered by any poster going "cunt off you boring unpleasant man" then everything I believed about this world was wrong.

the negativity of this thread is v offputting, esp from idiots who like terrible music i hate.

poster 1: this music sucks
poster 2: you suck

or, put another way

poster 1: fuck this lame track
poster 2: no, fuck you

it doesn't bother me so much as it

1) makes me laugh, imagining the lex getting all huffy and pissed because i pooped on his track of the week, then blasting his favorite taylor swift diss song and ripping up his pillows in his bedroom while he crafts his retort
2) reminds me how lame and childish the uk poptimist crew can get when you really push them on something

i don't know, i just fell into the same trap: letting your disagreement over some music turn into ad hominem attacks

and i think it's fine to insult music, it's not like sounds have feelings, i don't know why or how the lex takes it so personally when i say fuck r&b samples, fuck sample-based house in general right now

"the negativity of this thread is v offputting, esp from idiots who like terrible music i hate."

come on that HAS to be the new board description!

Agreed.

Also, from my standpoint, so much of the much 'proper' (may the gods strike down anyone who takes it upon him/herself to say what is and isn't proper techno) or "utopian" that has been so beloved, a la sandwell district et al, is precisely what I find to be too complacent, too orthodox, and devoid of emotion (And believe you me, my ire has been well rankled by DJ's playing sets full of glossy, boring "abelton techno." But I'm just as annoyed by reactionism that privileges underproduced techno that often ends up sounding, well, underproduced).

Also. Anyone else enjoying the work of Lone? Having been pointed to him by that recent RA feature by M Matos and by the favourable reviews of Once in A While, I now feel rather taken with his productions. I guess there's not an immense lot behind them, but very pleasing nonetheless.

I think this is kind of nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAKq5wlMhGs

lone is what, boards of canada + kyle hall? in other words, DOOOOOOPE.

really enjoying kassem mosse and the rest of the artists from the commix remix pack these days.

also marcel dettmann and shed's tracks from the modeselektion comp

I absolutely love that Storm Queen thing.

Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit by Chasing Voices

thank you

That Chymera track is just pure loveliness. I've been all for the general direction of whatever Chymera I've heard, but I've always felt it needed a bit softening at the edges, and this delivers just that.

And that Storm Queen track IS kinda nice, kinda really nice.

saw alex barck (jazzanova) last night and wow was he awesome. not really from a technical stand point but more from the way he played these wtf-is-that unknown/unreleased tracks. one standout track is the one with a "hard knock life" sample (annie soundtrack). any idea what that could be?

love that storm queen track

really feelin' this track from earlier this year, esp. when the distorted voices come in about halfway thru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCJX4_JbYAE

this koze/isolee thing on beats in space is awesome

anyone diggin this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pUhQLRe6w4

nice acid-y cosmin trg remix here. He also did good EP earlier in the year, Liebe Suende

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgg-p5oTzk

This is too much fun/too mad to pass up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EkGZK2g2qo

Along with MMM and Workshop 11 its prob my fave techno bits from '10

http://www.smileyhut.com/smileys/headbang.gifInner City - Good Life (Unreleased Schermate Tool) - 2010 - Unknownhttp://www.smileyhut.com/smileys/headbang.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFqlWBzmdc

Picked up that Bakey Ustl 10" today (along with Hype Williams' Find Out What Happens.. LP). The Bakey Ustl is frickin' awesome!!

i really really want mp3s of that bakey ustl ;_;

fkn vinyl-only releases

vinyl only has hit me quite a bit this year, ended up buying quite a few records even though i don't have decks or a record player, then had to get them digitized elsewhere. That said, totally understand the financial reasoning behind vinyl only releases (though I have basically no desire to get into that particular debate)

Haven't been able to afford much vinyl this year, but I did buy that Bakey Ustl the first time I heard it. Very fine.

I'm kind of surprised how little Glass Eights talk there is on ILM. In any case, I'm 1.2 listens into it and it's reeeeeal purdy.

'glass eights' is very nice! john roberts is playing here with omar-s and d'julz next weekend, i'm excited to hear him live.

A-side tracks of this: http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=8436

if the ep had only been the a-side, might have snuck into my top 10 for 2010

I hope it's alright to revive a past year's Techno Bobbins, as I wasn't sure where else to post this, but... I picked up The Traveller by Shed a few weeks ago, and it has grown to become something I listen to almost every day. It's really sublime, really creative without being ostentatious about it, it sounds great, it displays restraint and lays ideas bare without being "minimal," it feels gently enigmatic like lots of my favorite techno does.

Side question: how much digging into past year's techno/house do you guys tend to do? The scenes move fast, and given that I didn't buy much new music at all (relatively speaking) for the past few years, I'm playing catchup on '09 and '10 (and discovering lots!).

lots!!!

i actually spend much more time digging than checking new stuff.

i feel like when an album sounds "current" and it's from this year big fucking deal

but when i dig up something from 06 or 08 that sounds fresher than it did at the time, it's like a buried treasure rush

now that i think about that, maybe it's because i tend to hear one track, learn about a new label, and then sort of relentlessly track down their whole back catalogue if i like it enough

last year i found out about artless / mojuba

I have so, so far to go in exploring techno, but the ravenously-explore-label approach seems pretty sound... I suppose the labels I'm really starting to dig into at this point are Rush Hour, Delsin (mainly because of that Morphosis record from this year), and Ostgut Ton...

now that i think about that, maybe it's because i tend to hear one track, learn about a new label, and then sort of relentlessly track down their whole back catalogue if i like it enough

otm, I do this with artists or related artists

Honestly, fuck staying current. Not that I don't follow new stuff with very much enjoyment, to have the question "did it come out in the last year" define your listening tastes is myopic, counterproductive, and just silly. (This is why, for instance, I would welcome '10 or even '09 stuff in the 2011 thread. Better it be spoken there than have nowhere to go).

the nuum only moves forward iirc

sometimes doesn't bother to even look backward, or sideways