ALL-NEW FREEFORM (SORTA) 1990s ALBUMS POLL: THE BANNS -- ALL OVER BAR THE SUPPLICATING :)

No nominations. Just spell the goddamn acts/albums correctly.

Nothing that finished here: THE 1990s POLL RESULTS - THE ALBUMS is available for voting. The Prodigy album at #39 is Experience, so you can still vote for Fat Of The Land, if you so wish.

Rules:

-Everyone has 200 points to spend how they will
-One album must get more points than any other (no tied winners)
-I'm counting, so don't cheat

The rest is up to you. Email your ballots to me, lou15 dot j4gg3r at gm41l dot c0m, by the end of March.

This thread is henceforth for discussion, persuasion, and zings.

<3 y'all

nice!

point of order tho: nominations should be posted in-thread

oh, n/m I can't read

your post is confusing tho. and I like having things listed out, so I'm reminded of my options.

in some ways i like the idea of people voting a priori but if they want to big-up some acts they're voting for in this thread, that is totally cool

it's very simple, though: apportion 200 points across deserving records other than those already celebrated, and let 'er rip. if a load of you start handing out 200 points to nate dogg i will grow suspicious and ask you to resubmit* but it's your prerogative if you want to dish out loads of points to an album you hold dear.

*i will accept it if you can prove deep and abiding love for nate dogg to the extent where it occludes all the other music of the 90's

naw, the OG post is confusing cause it says to email my nominations to you

Y'all didn't vote for Slint last time?

It doesn't any more! xp

Ooh, Slint. Methinks we have a contender. But who's gonna give it any more than 15 points? Eh?

btw dudes, this is the one:

http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/238/238451_1_f.jpg

how many records can we vote for? and is a singles one happening too?

nate dogg was in icp? xpost

Someone else can handle a tracks (not necc singles) poll. Unless you persuade me loads and loads. You can vote for up to 199 records.

also lj post the list we cant vote for here so we dont each have to go searching for it on that huage thread plzkthx

i'll do a singles one after if you guys want one

I permalinked the post on which they are listed!

Ah yeah, that'd be nice, young fresh Brit brigade representin'

wait actually... has ilx ever done a 'bestest records of all time' poll? i'd love to see our 101-200 more than that :)

200 points across an unspecified number of albums might BREAK MY BRAIN

it will break us all

suggested breakdown for the broken-down: 50, 40, 25, 20, 15, 15, 10, 10, 5, 5, 5

Theoretically, could one award the entire 200 points to a single album?

This has the potential to be a huge mess, but I WANT IN!

Yes. xp

so crazy that it just might work

btw, is your email address really in haX0r or are you just obfuscating?

come now

Ballot sent.

Sorry, you'll be wanting louis.jagger

everyone vote for 200 albums

Did it not come through? xp

lol it did, I replied! :P

pfunkboy under these rules the maximum is 199, to restate

ok everyone vote for 199 albums

hahaha i am imagining the possibilities for wackiness should lots of people vote for 199 albums / the potential for a few one album 200-pointers to bring the craziness

Though you should limit the maximum amount of votes for an album, otherwise people might give 200 points to one album or 100 points to 2 albums which would skew the poll completely.

also do you realise how much work this will be with no restrictions

there's a reason why most polls have a nomination process + limitations

:D the idea *is* to shake up the format a little bit!

everyone voting for 199 albums would be really funny

199 albums is a hell of a lot better than ppl voting for 1-20 albums. But 1 or 2 album ballots will spoil it completely.

The aim is that if people want to use up all their points on very few albums, or at least give one 150 and the rest 5, then that's their shout. It rewards albums that are intensely loved, which I think is an improvement over previous systems. I'll have no trouble with people giving lots of points to something. As long as they're happy with other albums not getting so many. It's a devilish gamble!

It's not so much work. I have a calculator! And I'm pretty good at mental arithmetic. I also expect most ballots to have fewer than 20 albums on them, many way fewer.

*should read 'really loved' ;)

Nothing that finished here: THE 1990s POLL RESULTS - THE ALBUMS is available for voting. The Prodigy album at #39 is Experience, so you can still vote for Fat Of The Land, if you so wish.

what is the rationale behind this stipulation

On the list I permalinked, the name of the album isn't supplied for #39, but Jilted comes in further down

but why would anyone vote for fat of the land?

'Climbatize' and 'Mindfields' and 'Narayan' are really not bad at all

you lost me at Narayan

Let me rephrase my question so that it's actually answered:

what is the rationale behind excluding albums that placed on the previous poll

Did you completely miss the alternate 70s poll?

so its not exactly kicking things up then if its been done already?

Because we did it for the 70's and 80's repolls and that worked out really nicely? Nobody wants to see Loveless wander home again. And fuck, Different Class? That's Pulp's worst post-80's record ffs

...but yeah, I think we'll get more interesting results that way.

DAMN THE CANON! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Nominations Thread (Due by 11:59pm GMT, December 7th)
A POLL FOR ALL THE OTHERS: It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Voting Thread (Due by midnight GMT, January 3rd)
TURN THIS MUTHA OUT! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Results Thread

started from a discussion on the 80s results poll iirc

We didn't do it for the 80s poll. We just renominated because the original 80s results were never posted.

I am now gonna go check what made that previous poll

oh wait, the 80's weren't repolled, really sorry

but yeah it worked for the 70's

Ahh, Alternate 70s poll... you were much fun, you were.

ok leftism didnt make it, thats my 199 point vote sorted

I reckon i could do a 199 votes entry though.

It rewards albums that are intensely loved

it'll reward voters who are lazy/don't have much time/prone to lulz!

Johnny Fever spent about 5 minutes cooking up a very presentable, well-balanced 9-album ballot...recommend similar unless you're damn set on something!

DAMN set.

I used these points: 60, 30, 25, 20, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11

Are compilations eligible? I'm thinking of stuff like Pet Shop Boys Discography or The Immaculate Collection which contain material largely recorded in the Eighties but baited with new material from the Nineties, or maybe even something like Go-Betweens: 1978-1990 which had nothing recorded in the Nineties but several singles not previously available in album format back in the Seventies and Eighties (and one previously unreleased track that was recorded way back in '78).

I'd rather you didn't, but go ahead if you think they deserve to be voted for in a 90's albums poll.

that seems kind of contrary to the point of the poll (says the guy who voted for Death in the 2009 poll)

i dont see the point of voting for compilations/greatest hits

Yeah, in the 70s poll I had to rule out a Hank Williams compilation because, really, the guy died in 1953. That compilation coming out in the 70s didn't really make it a 70s album.

here's my ballot:

Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R. 74 Points
Unrest - Perfect Teeth 76 Points
Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies 26 points
Jungle Brothers - J Beez Wit The Remedy 24 points

Shakey Mo voted in a poll!!!

yr meant to email it or at least ilxmail it but ty

now nobody else do that or damn

OKAY EVERYONE DO THAT

only one album per post

Now I'm kind of wishing I voted for Perfect Teeth. :(

lolz sorry this is why I don't usually vote in these album polls

hahaha Dan

hey Shakey - it's something. Plus it'll get the Unrest street-team on their feet. Maybe.

so underrated - considered throwing all of my points to just one of their albums tbh

are goons taking part in this one or am i just going to make mine a list of 150 rap classicz to make up for it?

gonna admit I am very tempted to throw 200 pts at T-99's Children of Chaos

I'd quite like to hear Unrest. Maybe I'll give 'em a spin over the weekend. I'm shortly gonna be out for the evening so this thread will have to abide unpoliced in these delicate teething stages. I'll thus add a rule: ballots henceforth have GOT to be emailed to me; if they're only posted here they won't be counted.

damn it why do I have to go all 'quoth he' even while making a simple command

verily thou art master of thy thread

heaven forfend the winds changeth and I maintain thusly into the heretofore

Um...points must be rounded to a full integer.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

it was a nice try ^_^

before this slips notice, I'd like to point out the fact that the title includes a pun on an archaism and l0u1s jagg3r is waaaaaay much in character

i dont see the point of voting for compilations/greatest hits

Don't want to sound like I'm flogging a dead horse, but what about multi-artist ompliations? Nuggets and The Harder They Come both made the original Seventies poll. All of the music on Nuggets and much of the music on The Harder They Come was recorded in the Sixties. That might at leasat open the door for two of my faves: Cosmic Kurushi Monsters and Jazz Satellites.

That's cool.

MY ENTIRE RECORD COLLECTION IS FROM THE 90S DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE

srsly, hope to get on this but a quick brainstorm has led to a v. long list of things nobody else will vote for which are therefore not worth throwing small numbers of points at, but i love them all like children

if nothing else this poll will lead to me spamming the forgotten 90s masterpieces thread with that stuff

^^^this will be a good thing. also set aside like 80 or so points for you know who. or else.

Can I encourage people to nominate and lobby as much as possible? As I have stated before, I've got a terrible memory.

Also, spacecadet, I'm seriously considering voting for things like Novak, which will be a thrown-away vote if ever there was one. (Though the fact that the album doesn't have 'Rapunzel' on it means I might not even bother - that is a strong candidate for track of the '90s for me.)

finally looked at the orig. list and IF RAEKWON DOESN'T WIN THIS I WILL HATE YOU ALL FOREVER

WTF IT NOT EVEN MAKING THE FIRST 100 LET ALONE THE TOP 10?

I forgot about Novak. Time to scan tracklisting of "Will Our Children Thank Us" and Darla/Earworm comps for other bands I've forgotten about and would like to throw away a vote on.

Gonna shut myself in late-90s post-rock-ish universe and refuse to accept this stuff is ancient history.

who will cry for ganger

Maybe I should reconsider my ballot. Sent 20 albums but I'm pretty sure there's at least 16 albums noone else will vote for and I didn't assignate mad points to any of them.

yeah but what if others did vote for them and you get an amazing surprise in the list?

will accept reconsiderations

Well there's a little bit of tibetan chants, free jazz, gamelan music, serialism, beat poetry and chinese sound collages in there... and did some searching and it seems noone cared enough to make a thread for them on ilxor before so I think my chances are pretty slim.

^^^I approve of this sort of ballot

But never fear. If you want to give 150 points to a Soundgarden album then that is also cool

That sounds like an interesting ballot, Moka. Even if it doesn't make the top list either LJ will post all the runners-up or you can post your ballot, so it'll at the very least provoke discussion of the records. What are the Chinese sound collages?

200 points to Return to the 36 Chambers kthx

i started a 'suggestions' thread for people to talk about albums that are eligible, hope that's cool w/ you, lj: polite suggestions thread for the FREEFORM 1990s ALBUMS POLL

that's cool but this thread was intended to serve such a purpose too! i guess if this can be the technicalities and zings thread, and that can be the discussion-board, that'd be cool. fwiw i am hoping for a strong hip-hop showing because i need schooling in that field tbh

Thanks emily. Mmm not sure if I'm allowed to post albums in my ballot before results as I resubmitted my ballot and that is one of the albums that I didn't change.

Or I don't understand are we allowed to talk about albums that didn't make it to the list in here?

altho a strong experimental/avant-indie showing would also be nice ;)

would recommend ballots are kept secret, although you can say if you voted for someone. noodle vague if you want to put your money where your mouth is then email me tbh

moka you can talk about any album here OR in ship's thread, it is like rival corporations battling for approval - iht i predict lots of SY

yeah i'm sure you're open to people talking about albums here but since the discussion is pretty lively here i felt like it'd be more simple/useful to have another thread to JUST say "hey guys think about this album" and little else

Alright, well just to answer emily's question the album is: Ground Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Ver.1.28

xxpost

I am kinda tempted just to give the votes to the ODB because a) I can never be bothered to give these things the deep Kantian examination they're supposed to have and b) he is the ODB. But I dunno. I'll mail you if I'm feeling whimsical.

Original poll is some kind of disgrace btw

^^^that is cool, so yours is kinda the namedropping spectacular and this is the handwringfest xp

will check out ground zero at some stage

NV otm, although Different Class is the one I'm most furiously angry with

i would have assumed you a huge pulp fan though lj?

I adore His & Hers, This Is Hardcore, We Love Life and loads of the earlier long-form stuff, and regard DC as a bad and lame album where Pulp were at their most unadventurous, lyrically unsophisticated and downright dull. Not even their good 90's albums are worthy of top 20 placement; that one at 4 just screams of bandwagoning and unscrupulous listening. It's like people voted for it as their token Britpop album because it wasn't Oasis or Blur but happened to have Common People on it

Nice initiative lj, but how am I supposed to remember everything I loved in the 90s?! They have been long cleared away into a crate in my parents' loft - noms would've been a useful reminder at least.

And have you really thought about the amount of work this'll entail? My books poll was pretty intense stuff and it was relatively limited. Draft in Fr4nk1e or Al3xi5 I say.

You're not supposed to remember everything! Just the things you CAN remember - the things that still resonate. Nominations often lead to consensus - I'd like this to be done largely blind, albeit with Ship's namedropping thread on the go. Hopefully we'll have the most unpredictable ILM poll yet!

It'll be quite a bit of work, but nothing too ridiculous.

200 points to Sharkboy it is, then

finding it odd how much value is being placed on poll results being unpredictable now. surely the point of polls is for consensus, boring tho that becomes (and imo the antidote is to poll ilm less rather than try and skew things like this, with more arbitrary results).

I'm aiming for pockets of fiercely-loved consensus to burst through. Often albums do very well out of finishing 10th on a large number of ballots. I'm trying to engineer a situation which privileges BOTH commonly-selected picks AND more obscure but also more dearly-loved albums. The results won't be arbitrary; the rules are the same for everyone.

so tempting to just give all 200 points to Alien Lanes

i'll probably be less lazy at some point and make a real 1-10 or 1-20 ballot though

space jam ost

actually i think according to the rules the most albums you can vote for is 19 since 20 albums all with different scores is at least 210 points.

unless you meant only your #1 can't be a tie

space jam ost

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this was my shit when i was 11.

um it's only the #1 which can't be a tie

i realised that i was 13 when the 90s ended and the only album i remember caring abt a lot at that point was the space jam sdtrk and californication

199 points to the soundtrack to Dick Tracy, 1 point to Rocapella's debut album

wld consider going halves on jesus lizard and space jam, maybe tossing some token points to like Goo or something

Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusions I (99 pts)
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusions II (101 pts)

use your ill choosings

actually i take back all 200 points and reallocate them to Shai's "If I ever fall in love..."

Can I vote for the audio track of the film "The Craft"?

yes...also books on tape count too.

hit u w/ a ballot lou jag

received 6 ballots and only 1 album has been voted for twice so far

What're you going to do if it goes on like this?

this is totally fine by me. plus it will change, inevitably.

I wonder what this magical album is that two different people like.

You gave it 15 points. It now has 20.

It has 400 points, the next highest has 2

actually yeah

Is it Torch of the Mystics? If not, then I want answers now.

kinda feel like, even without banning the orig. 100 it would be a v. diff list with a lot less presence for magnetic fields, belle+s, pulp etc. like that stuff does not have the same visibility on the landscpe

pretty certain that magnetic fields, b&s and pulp would still be hardcore in the 100. 69ls would get 150 points from me if it was to be done like this one.

actually 100, as i'd have to have points to give to various sleater-kinney, wu-tang, mobb deep and biggie albums.

Okay I just posted a list of 18 random albums, 1 album per artist only and no logic other than what seemed like a good idea right now.

8 ballots, still only 1 shared album. I'm hoping a rather large number of you contribute! Top 3 is looking wonderfully bizarre at this point.

Thought long and hard before dropping those 100 points on the Sonia album tbh

Well, I thought giving 84 to The Unbelievable Truth was an even braver call

lol more like Kid A-Hole

finding it odd how much value is being placed on poll results being unpredictable now. surely the point of polls is for consensus, boring tho that becomes (and imo the antidote is to poll ilm less rather than try and skew things like this, with more arbitrary results).

^

And again, I'll respond by saying that this poll rewards strength of feeling as much as agreement. The point of ILX polls is to see what other people are *really* into, IME. Save the pure consensus-forming aggregation of broad popularity for weak-ass newspaper surveys. These results won't be arbitrary! They'll be truthful to how the voters feel.

yeah...i would say since a 90s poll was done already with no exclusions and more straightforward methods, consensus has already been measured (albeit the consensus of the board's population 5 years ago), so i'm fine w/ this one being more playfully skewed and unpredictable.

They'll be truthful to how the voters feel vote.

Now I am seeing that the vote is being weighted depending on the strength of how many points others have given stuff... I dunno, my #1 is definitely one of my desert island discs but from my favourite music decade of all time so do I ignore other stuff I love just to have it compete with stuff liked by dudes who didn't care for other albums from the 90s other than their first place vote?

yeah that's my dilemma too...I'm inclined to do a ballot of like 40-50 albums and distribute points relatively evenly, but I feel like then it's just going to be impossible for any of them to make an impact next to the people that are giving a bunch of points to >10 albums

<10 albums i mean

Yeah, I don't feel it makes sense to vote for more than about ten albums, nor (given the potential for things being crowded out by passionate weirdos) is it worth giving anything less than about ten points. So that's what I'll probably do. Still leaves a lot of room for internal arguments over relative weighting.

Tempting as it is to give something off-the-map the full 200, I'd feel pretty bad if it made the chart solely on my arbitrary whim.

Gotta say, setting all of ILM this fiendish quantity vs quality dilemma has been half the attraction

...also pretty sure that if you liked one 90's album, you liked others. If you didn't then hey - that makes the one you did extra-special, and it should be celebrated as such. But all ballots so far have been multi-album.

Your passionate weirdo is my informed visionary ;)

Without dropping any spoilers: I voted for 18 albums. Gave 40 points to one, 20 to another, 10 points to 12 of them and 5 points to 4.

Have no idea whether this Byzantine system will tell us anything about anything, but it will produce another wonky set list of enthusiasms and arguments and new treasure maps to follow and on that basis let the good times roll I say. Nobody has to vote, and statisticians and sociologists have got plenty of Pretty Much What You'd Expect lists to get into, here and elsewhere.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/174s/11849903.jpg

It's not that xp, it's that I've only heard one 90s album - I've got a lot of listening to do if I don't want to mess up your lovely poll.

Today's thing I can't believe I didn't vote for: Thunder Perfect Mind. Used a stupid rule to discount any Current 93 or NWW records tho.

it's that I've only heard one 90s album

hang on pause stop the tape

oh i missed the sleater-kinney albums when scanning the 100 last time. makes life so much easier :)

An initial list of albums worth voting for:

Hole - Live Through This
Hole - Celebrity Skin
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Method Man - Tical
Ol Dirty Bastard - Return To The 36 Chambers
Ghostface - Iron Man
Big L - Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous
Gang Starr - Moment Of Truth (no-one else is going to vote for this are they? :( )
Gang Starr - Hard To Earn
Gang Starr - Daily Operation
Gang Starr - Step Into The Arena
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Jay-Z - Vol 2 Hard Knock Life
Jay-Z - Vol 3 The Life and Times of S. Carter
A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
De La Soul - Stakes Is High
The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II
The Pharcyde - Labcabincalifornia
Pete Rock & Cl Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother
Demon Boyz - Recognition
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Black Star - Black Star
KMD - Bl_ck B_st_rds (not sure if this counts, made in the 90s w/ promos been circling ever since- only officially released in the 00s.)
KMD - Mr. Hood
MF. Doom - Operation: Doomsday
Lootpack - Soundpieces: Da Antidote
The Alkaholiks - 21 & Over
DMX- It's Dark and Hell is Hot
Aaliyah - One In A Million
Missy Elliott - Da Real World (now i've remembered about this, ob4cl might not be my #1! this is so hard. damn you lj!)
Mary J. Blige - What's The 411?
D'Angelo - Brown Sugar
Erykah Badu - Baduizm
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Sleater-Kinney - The Hot Rock
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Mobb Deep - Hell on Earth
Beat Happening - You Turn Me On
Aimee Mann - I'm With Stupid
Cibo Matto - Viva! La Woman (I guess this can be cut...)
Ice Cube - Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Ice Cube - Death Certificate
DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
Redman - Whut? Thee Album
Redman - Dare Iz a Darkside
Redman - Muddy Waters
The Fugees - The Score (! how did this not make it? I thought it was illegal to dislike this album)
Heavenly - The Decline and Fall of Heavenly
Digital Underground - Sex Packets
Madonna - Ray of Light
Garbage - Version 2.0

and this is just off the top of my head. god knows what happens when i peruse my record collection. i guess i can cut the dmx album, its only really there for ruff ryders anthem.

dear god i forgot outkast i am so ashamed.

just noticed the other thread exists- my bad ilx.

Just emailed my ballot. Lemme know if it doesn't get to you for some reason...

it is here

btw a large part of me wants to wait until there are 100 albums all on more than 200 points before closing the vote - we will see how the ballots pour in

can i vote with my socks as well then?

no.

That'll take forever, |•~;$ - tuomas & johnny's polls needed about 80 points to qualify, and they got about 100 ballots each

well, we'll see...

Can y'all format your emails

act - album - number

please :)

haha i told u

i ended up doing a top 10. tht abt just giving all my points 2 1 album simply bcuz i doubt the type of dudes that might rep it will vote itp & itd be rad if it placed. but split the difference giving most of my points 2 my top 3 and then min of 10 to the rest.

ok i knocked out a quick ballot and sent it NO LOOKING BACK

did 50 30 20 for top 3 and then 10 10's

lamp's breakdown was a pretty good one, and ciderpress' is VERY similar - most ballots have been roughly along these lines

regard will be paid to albums that pick up lots of votes but don't do so well; we've got our first triple-voted record now

Well my first trawl last night yielded 163 albums worth a potential vote, and that's just by perusing a handful of publications' end-of-year lists. That's no good. I haven't even attempted to find my collection from the time. Don't suppose I'll need to.

Just pull them off the top of your head. Half the fun in these things is the mental "d'oh" moments from 90 seconds after voting until we count down to the #1. I've already thought of 20 other albums I should've voted for and didn't.

Yeah, I guess so. Thing is, I'd be fine with that if I was just missing off Achtung Baby or The Bends, but the last three that came to mind were Handsome Boy Modeling School, Ride's Smile and The Ghost of Tom Joad and now I kind of feel responsible towards them and their uncelebrated kind. Like they're going to make the top 100 anyway.

If you worry about the men you left behind you will never be able to enjoy this nonsense.

HBMS, Ride and Springsteen are conceivable anchors of any ILM list, I'd think.

Heh yeah I found the "hopeless task!" aspect of this made certain narrowing stratagems necessary... what I did was just to search for the directory substring "199" on my harddrive music pile (I tend to include the year in the dir-name) and pick from there. OK, most of my CDs I've digitized, but I've probably left off a lot of my vinyl that would merit inclusion had I looked through that...

most of my CDs I've digitized

or ripped, rather. I'm aware they were digital already.

Done and sent. What a way to waste a day off.

One thing I've decided to do, which I think other people might find a good idea, is that I'm just taking a lot of albums I *want* to list but not necessarily give a large number of points to, and giving them each 1 point -- not so much because it'd help them place, but because if they do place I'd rather the number of voters be larger so it doesn't look like just a small handful of fanatics got it in.

When will all this polling stop?

when we're dead

or the end of march. whichever comes first

oh you mean the general polling? polling is how ilx forgets

Just wondering what was the most albums one person voted for?

Just wondering what was the most albums one person voted for?

Are we allowed to vote for EPs in this? Because if we are, I'm definitely gonna give a vote to A Bag of Blue Sparks by 2 Lone Swordsmen, maybe some others too.

probably a pretty small minority of the people that will have voted have done so already, don't you think? anyway when i do vote, as i mentioned a couple times upthread, I'm probably voting for at least 40-50 albums and giving most of them 1 point each.

Tuomas am i recalling correctly that you were a total hardass about no EPs in the 80s poll?

Yeah, but I later realized it was a mistake... It wouldn't make sense to vote for EPs in a singles/tunes poll, and no one probably wants to do a separate EP poll, so the album poll is the only place where EPs would fit.

I started making a list, hoping to do 5 albums at 20 points and 20 at 5 points, but its hopeless. Going to end up with like 50 albums all with 4 points.

EPs are totally legit

gotta say i totally admire and respect big T's ability to admit his mistake

Bump. How's this going, anyroad?

emails have slowed. get back on it, folks

ballot sent

lucrative bump iirc

So, how's this going lately?

everytime i think of doing this i think of more albums i want to vote for and it makes my head hurt

You gotta seize that nettle - LJ's just gonna make the results up anyway, unexpected all-prog top ten my arse.

I sent in my ballot over the weekend. How many do you have so far, acoleuthic?

Was there a ruling on compilations of singles/rarities/etc, where the original releases were also 90s and hard to find by comp release date? I can think of a few I'd consider possibly the artist's best work, but they're all artists where I could happily vote for the next album proper too, so...

I'm definitely gonna vote for some compilations of material released in the 90s. In electronic and dance music it often makes more sense to vote for a comp than an album, and with some artists there were no proper albums at all.

i have 20-odd, but i'd like more. many more. compilations are fine but i'd prefer ones culled exclusively or mostly from the 90's

How many albums have received votes so far? And is it forming into any sensible kind of order yet?

haha a lot of albums have received votes. i'm not going to reveal what's going on. but more votes would be nice.

Has anyone submitted a 199-album ballot yet, LJ?

Or a 199-points-to-1-album ballot?

I really hope that someone has at least tried submitting 199 albums...

LJ: confirm/deny?

both extremes have been attained, yes.

the 199-album ballot was deeply hilarious and great and i encourage everyone to do the same thus proving their innate wit and broad knowledge of 90's music

which album did noodle vague give 199 points to? Nate Dogg?

^^^this fucking guy

How many have gave 199 points to one album?

someone have gave 200 points to one album. the magic of polls.

hey lj would it really piss you off if you got loads of 199 vote ballots? Lets all get to work!

(by that I mean 199 albums getting a vote)

rock the vote

Voted with my heart and not with my snark

great as your actual ballot was, you should have gave 199 albums votes, it would have been funny!!

those 199-vote ballots will need due coördination to ensure no overlap

xpost

No offence if somebody I like did it, but fuck being the kind of guy who'd write a 199 album list for funz

gee i sure hope the person who did that is reading your post right now

what if it wasnt for funz and they genuinely do love those albums? A lot of people see the 90s as their era just like a lot on ilx love the 80s and boomers love the 60s.

gee i sure hope everyone who really loves loads of 90's albums gives them all 1 point each

i agree

It's the process of sitting down to list yr 199 bestest albums of the 90s that I wd lack the patience of. My list represents some thoughts that went thru my head in the half hour I spent doing it. Trying to get definitive is a recipe for all sorts of brain injury imo

Plus the format of the poll makes it a futile impression of a futile gesture, rilly

wishing I'd given Flowered Up all 200 points now tbh

im sure you could do it if you tried

-_-

but yeah jim you're right, those shock 199 point votes for Cardiacs albums will certainly skew the poll.

hey lj are you gonna do a best singles of the 90s poll? That would be interesting.

or is that more a Tuomas poll?

there will probably be a best tracks alt poll, but not by me i'd imagine

and yes i am going to give 200 points to one cardiacs album, yes that is exactly what i am going to do

just noticed that a hoy hoy already bagged the trax one upthread - 2010 is gonna be polltastic

dance music will do very well in that poll when it happens

2010 still seems like THE FUTURE to me

NV has put me right in the mood for some 'Weekender'. Remind me to vote for it when it comes around.

I was gonna do a best 70s metal, 80s metal, 90s metal, 00s metal poll rather than doing the just the best 00s poll that everywhere did last year AND WOULD BE REALLY BORING but I realised that noone would be interested in an all the decades poll either. Plus glenn is a busy guy. So gave up on it.

btw you are not allowed to vote for metal in this poll

forgot to clarify that earlier, sorry

scott will be well pissed off after making his 199 album vote

b-but that second Chapterhouse album

all metal has been banned, there is currently a raging debate at HQ as to whether shoegaze will be allowed

why? are you worried j0hn ,chuck and Scott will vote for lots of death metal? You needn't worry, I dont like death metal and j0hn & scott dont vote and chuck votes for disco that he thinks is metal.

plus you need to get the thread title changed to say metal is banned

it cant be official until the thread title reflects it so lets all vote for metal!

i am mortified at the idea of metal getting into this poll because it might have a bad influence on children reading the poll results

if any points for a neurosis album find their way onto my ballot, i will explain that they are 'art-rock' and then i will paint an upside-down cross and turn it the right way up

and chuck votes for disco that he thinks is metal.

lolz

lj cant justify 90s metal to his mates yet like he can with some 00s proggy stuff so he cant allow any 90s metal in his poll incase they see it.

i...just...

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I wonder if I'm gonna be the only one to vote for Air Liquide? For me they represent so much of what I love about 90s electronic music, so I feel I should Nephology (their best record IMO) loads of points, but on the other hand they don't seem to be that much loved (or even known) on ILX, so giving them points might be a complete waste.

"I should give Nephology"

go w/ your heart, seriously anything is possible in this poll. especially as there'll be a separate set of awards after the main event

What about funk-metal?

if you vote funk-metal your points convert to anti-points and nomeansno suddenly have -50 points ;_;

Are you seriously outing ballots half a month before the poll closes? What did everybody else vote for? :)

pfunkboy gave 1 point to some album, i forget which

Liar.

(sorry, i gotta stop doing that, but hey it's publicity! promise that's genuinely the last full spoiler)

Sheesh!

Some poll.

ty for the support folks

Just kidding LJ. I will be sending you a ballot in the coming days, btw.

awesome, now to reinstate kkvg's points

LJ is obviously right to exclude metal from the poll, but (equally obviously) that doesn't pertain to the actual albums, but to ballots where "METAL!" is written after votes.

actually those ballots will have their points trebled

I knew it would work!!! :-D

hey dude you are kidding about this no metal deal right, because if not i will not vote

hmmmm?

lol JJ, there's already like 5 or 6 metal albums involved and I'm kinda hoping for way more

but you personally cannot vote for metal, if you do I will just give 300 points to an arbitrary Cud album

Just sent my ballo. I managed to narrow it down to 36 albums, but even that was difficult. At first I thought I should vote only for the stuff that I was actually listening to in the 90s, but it was impossible not to include some awesome artists I only discovered in the 00s, like Meshell Ndegeocello or Pole.

I narrowed my ballot down to 30 albums, so that I wouldn't have a bunch of albums with only 1 point.

http://sharetv.org/images/whose_line_is_it_anyway_uk-show.jpg

Nothin' to do now but sit back and wait for the results.

bah, forgot to vote.

by the end of March.

You still have a couple days.

but i'm scared!

deadline is being extended

to?

um...give it a coupla weeks. if 70 ballots suddenly arrive over the next two or three days I may end it on time after all

Thread needs more frequent bumping 'n' haranguing, lj

that just isn't me

lol ok PLEASE VOTE, EVERYONE

if you badger them, they will vote

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I can't get my ballot in until post-March. Too busy to make any decisions.

cool

no sorry I mean YOU'RE EXCLUDED SUNSHINE

Get impulsive, emil.y - first nine albums that come into your head, twenty points each, plus a bonus twenty to the #1

ballot sent.

have received 2 since bump! it works!

if you badger them, they will vote

― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 27 March 2010 12:02 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is so v. true. i think it got every vote in the telly poll within an hour of bumping the thread every day.

this has been sat in my bookmarks, making me feel super guilty, for about three days.

ok let's try the badger approach

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http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/10/15/iraq_vote_wideweb__430x297.jpg

I just fired off my ballot to ya'. Do we get an email confirming receipt?

consider me badgered.

yes and yes

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http://www.citydictionary.com/Uploaded/Images/Bucky-Badger-20080426042244.jpg

(the first place I ever saw breakdancing was on the UW campus, oddly)

looks sore

they came for the breakdancing mascots, and I said nothing, because I was not a breakdancing mascot

http://www.catflapmag.com/football-blog/content/binary/mascot.jpg

Are you sure about that, Clint?

I have my moments

One fairly unexpected album is doing really remarkably well. See fellas, it's POSSIBLE

Is it gonna be a countdown of 50 or 100?

Yes!! Come on Be Here Now!!!!

We'll see. Like I say, I'm giving you sluggards (not you, Fever) a little longer to respond. Oh, that Noodle Vague

As things stand, your vote will *definitely* affect things in a big way, so GET VOTING!

Y'know I am officially STOKED FOR THIS MADNESS

Yeah well, I'm hoping for a few more ballots! By a few I mean 'about four times as many as I currently have'. Just cobble a few together and send 'em off, folks!

I will get my socks on it

Altho yr gonna disqualify any strangers voting for Be Here Now aren'tcha?

so not gonna have time to think about this properly

Aw Lex, don't rush it - I'm extending the deadline so you'll have a few days to sort out a few favourites, or to just give 200 points to Be Here Now

:D

NV - Depends if they can give a credible ILX DN. Be Here Now isn't by any means the worst album of the decade IMO - it has a couple of pretty enjoyable songs on it. Whisper it quietly, but in its crass hugeness, my favourite Oasis album (not saying a great deal). Besides, I am duty-bound to include whatever people send!

One fairly unexpected album is doing really remarkably well. See fellas, it's POSSIBLE

California, yeah?

http://sethtaylor.com/b2/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/I_voted.jpg

KKVG, couldn't say. (But not that one, so much)

I'll probably vote but it'll not be for a few days yet.

^^^and you ask why britain is broken

Please please please let it be Play With Toys

http://sethtaylor.com/b2/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/I_voted.jpg

^^^^^
Expecting this for reals!

Oh shit, Play With Toys!

lots of good suggestions on this thread

KKVG, couldn't say. (But not that one, so much)

I know you can't say! It was a bit of a joke : )

Oh hey when is new deadline? I am working on this, but, y'know...

(shortlist is not short. also, thinking I should possibly revisit the ones I haven't heard for a while, after putting one on last night and thinking "this is a pleasant nostalgia burst here but probably not in the 200th best anythings of any timespan")

please do not vote for over 100 albums if you can help it

new deadline is in a week or so

Just sent you my ballot, LJ. Please confirm receipt.

you are almost as hilarious as pfunkboy

Why, because I voted for 196 albums instead of 199? ;-)

You had better count all my votes, buddy.

hey - it's gotten some decent albums on board, so I may forgive you

Yeah, all those 1 points are bound to alter the outcome

I'm still trying to decide whether I care about voting in this poll or not.

OK I voted. Kept it to 11 albums. I don't love a million albums from the 90s but the ones I do i fucking REVERE.

2 of my 3 favorite albs of the decade ineligible, btw (Laughing Stock, Tilt).

hey - number of votes makes all the difference in a tied situation, don't knock it

actually do knock it, please

reverend you don't need to think about it too much!

ty JL, that is a good number ;)

LJ, even if you're moving the deadline, you gotta set an exact date for it... There's nothing like that last minute pressure to make people actually send their ballots. In the 70s poll something like 1/3 of all votes came during the last two days of voting.

This is probably true, but I will cry if the deadline is still the end of today, cz I haven't finished, I'm all 90sed out, and I'm about to go out for food and spend the rest of my evening with someone who I can guarantee does not want to hear anything on my ballot.

(may not actually cry at the inability to give staggering 3-point handouts to 50 albums that nobody else has voted for + a handful of things which are probably obvious)

(trying not to vote for 50 albums but got to the point where removing any hurts)

Tuomas OTM, you have to set a firm date. if you keep being all vague "in a week or two" anyone who hasn't voted and doesn't check the thread every day will just keep putting it off and probably miss the deadline.

Yeah, all those 1 points are bound to alter the outcome

― Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:34 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm giving a lot of albums 1 point because, as i said previously, if those albums do place because someone else gave them more points, i don't want to see whining about "it only placed because 3 people each gave it a ton of points" etc.

also Rev you should totally vote. voter apathy among the few people who don't listen to mostly indie rock is a big reason why ilx poll results often suck.

Get a mod to put the deadline in the thread title too.

voter apathy among the few people who don't listen to mostly indie rock is a big reason why ilx poll results often suck.

Yeah, this is definitely why Taylor Swift does so well in polls.

yeah i totally made a universal blanket statement that you completely invalidated, yup. good job.

That doesn't even mean anything, dude. Please add some actual semantic content to your next post.

not really putting any effort into my responses to stupid zings, sorry.

Sorry, went off for a bit - it wasn't meant to be a zing, but I'm honestly not sure how you get "ilx polls are bad because only indie rockers vote". Have you actually looked at any results threads?

giving stuff probably nobody else has voted for the most points cz then if they get one more vote that might be enough vs giving stuff probably nobody else has voted for 1 point cz then I am not wasting my points but still representing

(rubs chin)

OK

new deadline is

wait for it

MIDNIGHT BST BETWEEN THE 7TH AND 8TH OF MARCH

please add to thread title, someone

UM I MEAN APRIL OOPS

fyi 4 haters of indie rock i voted itp ~ expect improved results

iirc lamp voted for at least 1 indie rock record

Sorry, went off for a bit - it wasn't meant to be a zing, but I'm honestly not sure how you get "ilx polls are bad because only indie rockers vote". Have you actually looked at any results threads?

― emil.y, Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

again, your version of what i said doesn't feature qualifiers like "mostly" and "often" and "a big reason" (as opposed to "THE reason"). of course if you rephrase it to be more absolute and extreme it doesn't make as much sense.

and fyi i will vote for plenty of indie rock, and rev might too, i'm just saying it bums me out when people who seem mostly likely to diversify the results seem like the first ones to opt out.

like I say, Rev, your vote WILL have a MASSIVE effect on the poll - that is the beauty of this system - everyone makes a difference

apart from ilxor

and to think, all he had to do was vote for 4 more albums

those 4 albums he left out could mean the difference between indie dominating and rap missing out.

and fyi i will vote for plenty of indie rock, and rev might too, i'm just saying it bums me out when people who seem mostly likely to diversify the results seem like the first ones to opt out.

― j@ggerlovesmanydudes (some dude), Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:39 PM Bookmark

don't really know 90s indie rock at all, so my usual 1-2 token indie picks will not be in effect

haha now I'm selecting a ballot of my own - jeez there's more albums I wanna include than I thought!

fwiw am submitting + not altering henceforth mine today, to prevent me from knowing precisely how to get 3 or 4 favourite albums of mine into the list - lookin' at YOU, Johnny 'Van Halen' Fever ;-)

this is quite difficult to do right now because i seldom spend much time with 90s stuff these days. this was the recent past when i first took an interest in things (early 00s) and therefore the music i sought if searching for a context for current music or something to elevate by comparison, given the adolescent miserabilist tendency towards thinking your own times are culturally impoverished and everything is shit.

to a vague adherent of the leftfield rock (ish) canon during those years the turn of the 90s seems like the end of that story of emancipated dissonance that might pass from vu, neu, pil etc to loveless and then gives way to 'eclecticism'. however much i like(d) zeni geva or royal trux or flying saucer attack they don't really sit easily in that company.

and more generally the 90s are the time inchoately historicized between the very recent lol old and the really old past. even late 90s timabaland which was a sort of lazy shorthand for modernist pop for years now seems caught between immediate memory and nostalgic lustre.

the nineties revival thread suggests none of the participants from those days agree what it was 'about' so this is exactly the time to do a 90s poll i suppose......

to a vague adherent of the leftfield rock (ish) canon during those years the turn of the 90s seems like the end of that story of emancipated dissonance that might pass from vu, neu, pil etc to loveless and then gives way to 'eclecticism'. however much i like(d) zeni geva or royal trux or flying saucer attack they don't really sit easily in that company.

for me this is exciting - the 90's was IMO when people sincerely started going off and doing what the fuck they wanted, with little or no concession to the discourse of how music SHOULD go - it was a heady and experimental time, and a time of great proliferation. the consequence is that the great music of the age tended to be a bit more amateurish and experimental in the purest sense - perhaps less assured or polished, but people were putting out a massive variety of new and exciting material, sacrificing craft for discovery. these days, it all seems a little quaint - we're in an age where the newly frazzled discourse has settled into more of a routine, with a background fuzz of novelty and unpredictability striated by canonic memes - it isn't so new to do what the fuck we want, so we do it, but without fuss, and wait for whatever catches on next to catch on - may not be our turn, but we'll wait it

there have always been people 'doing what the fuck they wanted', though in varying numbers and with varying success. the conviction that other ages were possessed of some superior vitality is one of the more insidious cultural pessimisms.

i'm not saying that it was exclusively the preserve of the 90's, just that that particular DIY sentiment was far more pervasive then - to a MUCH larger extent than before, the parameters of music proliferated beyond preset modes

this is just personal observation, though; i could be very wrong in the eyes of others - and i did say, the current age is just as exciting! albeit perhaps a little more knowing, a little less wide-eyed. this isn't necessarily a bad thing

maybe you are right about 'diy sentiment' being lost to a sort of knowing curatorial mode of production but i don't think that was really a specifically 90s thing.

The music of the 90's seems uniquely naive to me.

has geir voted?

this list is basically done for the kid that i was not the man that i am, made some really heartbreaking cuts - no pavement or superchunk was tough, also no "millions now living will never die" or "popular favorites" by the oblivions and etc etc million other records.

i kinda hate making lists and i'm not good at it.

but this was sort like a sample of basically what 90s young m@tt listened to.

I hope Geir votes - someone has to rep for We Can't Dance.

ty Matt! if anyone else doesn't want to message my gmail, just ilxmail me or something :)

(also, seriously: if you want to ensure your vote gets counted, you HAVE to send me an email of some sort - Matt is above the law as he's the James Stewart of ILX)

Bizarrely Mr Poll doesn't vote in email polls iirc

i actually didn't read closely and so i sent you an email anyway when i realized my mistake :)

hahaha yeah no we've been crisscrossing our mea culpas - doubtless you're writing me an email right now as I'm typing

goddamn m@tt i needed you w/ me on the superchunk bloc -- not that i even know if you'd vote for the same album(s) as me but still :(

this could yet be rectified - M@tt has voted for two albums that were in the o.g. poll, and now has a few spare points to throw elsewhere

lookin' at YOU, Johnny 'Van Halen' Fever ;-)

Guilty.

nah it's cool - there IS an interesting last-minute thing I *might* inflict if the results are looking a bit hodgepodge - won't have anything to do with my own choices but may put a more 'deserved' spin on things - yet to work out exactly what it is yet though and hey the rest is stumm

ok do you want to know

the plan is to multiply every album's points total with its allmusic star rating

louis you cant make the results up as you go along

rules i mean haha

but results too!

what must be, must be

Yeah. Dragging in AMG pretty much defeats the whole free form idiosyncratic aspect of the poll.

I dunno. Freeform pretty much means that 100-91 could be governed by different rules than 90-81, and so on. It's the most unpredictable poll ever conducted.

(But yeah, I'm on the side of just tallying the votes as they were cast.)

next thing you know and he will be rolling a dice for each albums votes and multiplying them by the results

my ballot's in, surprised by how little of the previous top 100 i was tempted to vote for

the plan is to multiply every album's points total with its allmusic star rating

that's a dreadful idea, and would be very unfair to people who submitted their ballots unaware they would be distorted in such a way

multiply points by number of votes cast for it seems fairer?

Ranking albums by points scored seems fairer still.

Don't see how that'll work tbh.

What about getting people who've voted to send a rating 1-5 stars for each of the albums they've voted for and then multiplying that rating by the average number of points received for each album?

lol you guys

just use the original scheme, it will produce strange results but that's the idea right

yeah of course I'm using the original scheme

if a man cannot play the fool, what is he

You should multiply the number of points awarded by the number of words dedicated to the artist in the Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll.

Multiply points by no. of Geir contributions to that artist's threads.

I guess the risk is that points doesn't produce any sort of result at all - 500 albums, none of which receive more than one vote. But that was always the risk without a nominations process; and there's ultimately a finite number of 90s albums anyway, so eventually there'll be enough votes that things have to double up. 100,000 ballots should probably be enough.

xpost
Rolling Stone encyclopedia = too Anglocentric. The correct multiplication factor is obv the number of Wikipedia languages with an article about the artist.

yeah or maybe just reward length by multiplying votes by track-time

Good but doesn't reflect popularity. Add points to the album's total sales.

hahaha and then raise it to the power of its Billboard placing

multiply points by number of votes cast for it seems fairer?

I recommend that you not fuck with the original point assignments in people's ballots.

If you *must*, then the above seems best.

*Dividing* by AMG score would boost critical flops that lots of us like, might be interesting.

But yeah, just add up the points and let the people speak.

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multiply points by number of votes cast for it seems fairer?

― Top Geir (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:42 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Real talk: I was actually considering this. But then as usual, silliness got the better of me. It shall be the original scheme. The reason I turned this idea down is that throwing away one point on something suddenly becomes incredibly important, and I can't think of an algorithm to make the multiplication process reflect importance.

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LJ can I change my vote? I forgot one v important thing ie TELEVISION S/T ALBUM

his list is basically done for the kid that i was not the man that i am

I tried to avoid doing this, but it's kind of hard, because that was the decade I really got into listening to music, and many of those records that I loved at the time I haven't listened to much at all in the past 10 years - so my glowing recollection of them may not be accurate any more.

ok but you must email specific changes xp

Done.

Is Television all that? I've always been too scared to check out their other stuff in case it doesn't match up to Marquee Moon

Both the other albums are fantastic. Each with their own special vibe, neither very much like Marquee Moon. The s/t has a crazy sound palette; they use many more effects than on any previous release. A really really strong batch of songs esp. 'Call Mr. Lee', 'No Glamour For Willi', '1880 Or So', 'Rhyme'.
The songs from the s/t have been great live vehicles in the scattered tours that have followed, too.

I'd be v. interested in seeing the points multiplied by number of votes for it as an addendum to the official results.

^^^will do this

(was gonna do that anyway tbh but yeah)

ok new new deadline is the end of next friday k

that is your final deadline

How many ballots do you have/need?

have: a few
need: a few more

THE SHIP HAS SAILED

just sent in my goofy 58-album ballot!

haha xpost

have decided am gonna do a parallel count-up, one with basic points totals, one with points totals multiplied by # of voters

that sounds confusing. so like you'll reveal the 100th album in one version of results, then the 100th album in the other?

Yeah, doing them at the same time seems like a headache for everyone involved.

hahaha ok I'll do 'em one after the other

the multiplied one in chunks of ten

wow this really is freeform

How about you just make up the results as you go along? Oh wait that's kind of what you're doing, right? Okay, cool.

just for you there will be a category where anyone who votes for over 100 albums has their vote eliminated

:D

Nooooooooo! :'(

and every album they voted for eliminated too

How many albums so far have received votes, out of interest?

It's a lazy bank holiday, and grim grey weather here to boot - what better to do than compile your vote for your favourite 90s albums?

ATTN

YOU HAVE LIKE 2 OR 3 DAYS TO DO THIS

MAYBE LESS NOW

you know how everyone who's done other polls recommended you stop dicking around with ambiguous timelines and put a firm deadline in the thread title? yeah.

this deadline is absolute & i am a deadline nazi fwiw

Um, does that mean midnight going into Saturday or midnight going into Sunday?

You should also ask a mod to put the deadline into the thread title, because it's pretty hard to spot among 500 messages.

...

ALL-NEW FREEFORM (SORTA) 1990s ALBUMS POLL: THE BANNS -- DEADLINE IS MIDNIGHT ON SATURDAY

going into sunday obv

'obv' - I'd expect midnight to be the start of the day. That's when it becomes Saturday, that's when the date changes. ILX polls do the same, so it must be true (I've been annoyed at ATP over this very subject for the last 24hrs).

hmm

well it's either but if you interpret it as going into sunday then yr not gonna get Left Behind owing to my benevolent nature so it's effectively that

stop dicking around with ambiguous timelines

http://michelle2005.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bush-mission.jpg

Lou1s W. Jagg3r?

If someone says "Midnight Saturday" I think the very tail end of Saturday. If you were to say "12am Saturday," I'd think the very first minute of Saturday coming out of Friday night. Surely most people make these same associations, right?

we must stand firm against the axis of popism

Move to 24 hr clock ppl; 00:00 on Saturday is obv 24 hours earlier than 24:00 Saturday, which is equal to 00:00 on Sunday. :-p

badgerbadgerbadger

zulu time

bdgr

finally fucking done this. by keeping it to my #1 and the first 10 records i remembered that i love, i think i have done well enough in not having 'oh shit why didn't i vote for...' moments. :D

^an example to us all

by keeping it to my #1 and the first 10 195 records i remembered that i love, i think i have done well enough in not having 'oh shit why didn't i vote for...' moments. :D

i don't think i could write blurbshaikus for 196 albums.

we were meant to write blurbs?

no, but it was dude's choice

How quickly can you turn this around once voting closes? We hate waiting.

approximately fifteen seconds

Excellent!

you doing a top 100 countdown or just posting the full results?

a countdown i think

if you want to be really crazy and freeform you could countdown from 200

assuming 200 albums get a vote

how about no

how many people have voted so far?

ten

you lie

I really need to remember to send this off tomorrow (today now) as it is pretty much done but I had a sudden pang of wanting to hear the entirety of an artist's 90s output before picking an album and now it is bedtime and not listening to 4+ albums in a row time

I'd have thought the Ocean Colour Scene pick was obvious?

you had better be careful or I'll resurrect the previous rough draft with 100+ entries

actually I need to go to bed now before I start thinking of more things to put on, after spending half an hour agonising and deleting things (like... 8 things, woo)

Wow, Ocean Colour Scene released an album this year. I had no idea.

Wow, Ocean Colour Scene released an album this year. I had no idea.

― seandalai, Friday, April 9, 2010 11:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I knew this because I saw it On Geir Hongro's albums of 2010 so far list on Rate Your Music, maybe it's worth a listen?

-_-

o_O

um

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to vote

I have voted, hopefully in time. If there are really only 11 people who have voted then my bullshit will have a MASSIVE IMPACT.

Got my ballot in. Rather rushed, and I know I forgot loads of good stuff, but no time for regret.

Bump.

Those rules again:

1. You can vote for as many or as few albums as you like
2. Except for the albums in the original top 100
3. You have 200 points to distribute between them
4. In any way you like, so long as one album scores more than the others

Get to it, laggards. This is important.

Sent! I hope!

Cut out 10 albums, some pretty dearly loved and some which had been clinging on because I felt bad about not having enough from their respective genres, and talked myself down from the brink of giving my highest score (but still not big enough to propel it into the chart singlehanded - errr, probably, watch me kick myself now etc) to something which is definitely not going to get any other votes. So I had to send it NOW before I had a change of heart. Regrets due any moment...

i kinda doubt any album is going to get on the list w/ only one voter, and even if so i wouldn't wanna be that voter -- why push something nobody else likes onto a list that's supposed to represent the collective tastes of a group?

nothing is getting on the list w/ only my vote cz I voted for 30 albums, but if other people are voting for <10 albums and there aren't many ballots in yet (get voting, lurkers!) it could happen

OTM abt the other stuff though - I nearly voted in the ILG 2009 poll but I was glad I hadn't when I saw the results: it was also kinda freeform, and I'd thought 10 points would be a medium-sized vote for something fun but not classic - turned out a single 10-point vote would have punted it halfway up the leaderboard, and I was glad I wasn't having to justify that

if something makes it to #97 because just one person really loves it that's cool, but once we're out of the first batch of results I know nobody wants to see my vanity picks (although they are all awesome, obv)

I gave 50 to my #1 and 15 each to 10 others, dunno what that means in the bigger scheme of things. Think at least half of them will get over votes but the fact that y'all fuckers must some of the classics I voted for first time round makes me anxious...

why push something nobody else likes onto a list that's supposed to represent the collective tastes of a group?

turned out a single 10-point vote would have punted it halfway up the leaderboard, I was glad I wasn't having to justify that

PS-Vote already.

lj how many points does #100 have?

turned out a single 10-point vote would have punted it halfway up the leaderboard, I was glad I wasn't having to justify that

if the cardiacs make the list then we know exactly that's what happened. ;)

lj have any albums received more than 100 points? Have any got 199/200 points?

I almost gave my #1 150 points. Decided I wanted to bump up a couple of other things as well, so it didn't get 150.

my first ilx decade poll ballot.. exciting! gave 20 points to 8 albums, 21 to one, 19 to another.

vdv smh

guti's pass was a beaut but man do real know their way around a shitty overrated dutchman

i cant even tell who he is carding anymore, this ref is nuts

i kinda doubt any album is going to get on the list w/ only one voter, and even if so i wouldn't wanna be that voter -- why push something nobody else likes onto a list that's supposed to represent the collective tastes of a group?

if ur passionate enuff abt an album to vote only for it & give it 200 points then u probably also wld really like more ppl to listen to/talk about/appreciate that album. this is not unreasonable.

i mean werent u complaining that more ppl who like stuff outside the ilx mainstream need 2 vote itp? i only voted for 10 albums 8 of which im v v v likely the only person voting 4. but if like one other person really likes one of these & it sneaks onto the list im not gonna feel bad bcuz w/e gay british shit more ppl voted for doesnt make it

i mean it was "chamaeleon eyes" who did the foul, he has a yellow already and so... he's still on, god knows who got it

lol rong thread

winston cant even tell what thread he's on anymore

:D

hey lj check yr mail

Oh fuck I forgot to vote for Jehovahkill, apologies to J Cope.

hi derrrre i changed my mind shortly after sending so lj u need only consider the more recent of the ilxmails i sent
thx

I voted for 6 albums everyone needed to hear (at least once) with 20 points, and 16 albums that I'd recommend to friends (with enthusiasm in the year of their release) with 5 points.

The most interesting tabulation for me would be by vote count, with points as a tie-breaker. Anything with 2 or more votes in this sort of poll (given ILM is semi-likeminded) would be worth establishing an opinion about, good or bad.

where's the results?

kinda doubt any album is going to get on the list w/ only one voter, and even if so i wouldn't wanna be that voter

I totally gave the most points to an album I doubt anyone else will vote for. Whatever.

i kinda doubt any album is going to get on the list w/ only one voter, and even if so i wouldn't wanna be that voter -- why push something nobody else likes onto a list that's supposed to represent the collective tastes of a group?

if ur passionate enuff abt an album to vote only for it & give it 200 points then u probably also wld really like more ppl to listen to/talk about/appreciate that album. this is not unreasonable.

i mean werent u complaining that more ppl who like stuff outside the ilx mainstream need 2 vote itp? i only voted for 10 albums 8 of which im v v v likely the only person voting 4. but if like one other person really likes one of these & it sneaks onto the list im not gonna feel bad bcuz w/e gay british shit more ppl voted for doesnt make it

― Lamp, Saturday, April 10, 2010 5:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, i voted for tons of stuff that i have no confidence of anyone else voting for, because w/ these things i'd rather just make a ballot that's honest to my taste than second-guess myself in the name of strategic voting that probably wouldn't work anyway. but when i talked about how it'd be nice to drum up voters who'd list something other than alt-rock, i meant largely that it'd be nice to give a better chance to, say, some canonical rap albums like The Infamous or Reasonable Doubt that missed the first poll for no good reason, stuff that's not really that far outside of the 'ilx mainstream'.

ah shit did not vote

still 10:48 my time and I think I will vote, maybe.

ok lj i know this is a total dick move, but i want to vote in this and i cant get it done tonight for sure. if i send my votes in uh very soon, could they maybe count?

bonus: you can still prob start tabulating now because i am sure that most of my stuff has no chance of placing, but if there is a tiebreaker for 100th place maybe i can break that tie!

still think the rules are stupid tho

ended up just voting for ten cannonical or at least ilm fave rap albums

"or Reasonable Doubt"

oops, knew there was 1 of many many many albums i missed. see also midnight marauders. and operation doomsday! and black bastards. argh! stop thinking sam, this could go so rong.

so whens this countdown start?

oh hey folks! am still at friend's house so can't begin tabulating all these last minute ones (and thank you everyone who sent stuff in!) just yet. JJ if you can do one ASAP it may be considered, but you'll have to hurry! i'd expect most of my Monday will be spent adding all these up, and countdown can begin next week some time...

ty again folks

nakhchivan your first ballot is much, much more interesting :(

just that.....that album should be included in the list, and it could make the difference. all the other albums will receive some sort of reward in heaven for their sacrifice.

spoiler: that album will do very, very well even w/ yr first ballot and you are not alone in scoring it highly

anyway <3 y'all but am disappearing for a few more hours now, any queries dealt with later

too late, i'm already giving royal trux a swiss junkie's eternal skag prescription for stepping aside. for the greater good.

?

give it a few days, dude

to be enjoyed along with a refreshing glass of Wire covers

Ohhh I have been resisting pestering you, but your turnover is weak, dude.

:(

Soz duder.

am on it now

Just be glad I haven't succumbed to the temptation to quote all of the words to 'Poing' by the Rotterdam Termination Source, replacing all instances of 'Poing' with 'POLL'.

(There are many of these instances.)

part of me would be intrigued to see this

I shouldn't care, it's not like anything I voted for will make it. Judging from the pseudo-noms thread it's going to be crap like that 'late 90s billboard one-hit wonders' thread.

my ballot was pretty rad iirc

Truth: my ballot was way lame, but I've never made it a secret that I hold lame music closest to my heart.

imagine what a 90s trax poll would be like emil.y

I think I would have found a tracks poll easier to compile, as I did end up shedding thing like Novak because the albums didn't live up to the 7"s (and in the 90s I was so much about the 7"s), but yeah, the end result would probably have killed me.

you survived the greatest songs of all time poll from way back (the one Britney won)

I don't think I voted in those early ones, though. So I wouldn't have been going "have you FOOLS never heard Rapunzel?! Philistines!"

I cant find those poll results, dunno what to look for. Maybe lj can use his searchpowers

here is the original 90s singles poll
Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

right i've made some good progress, although there's a bit more to do.

number of ballots received is over 50, which is nice. on the offchance you feel like sending one in over the next couple of days, do so, but with the full understanding that it *may* be too late. consider though that i am a forgiving sort.

things are shaping up to be...weird. :D

on the offchance you feel like sending one in over the next couple of days, do so, but with the full understanding that you *have* to vote for Prolapse.

loool

You should post the countdown in one epic session of sleep deprivation

maybe I will

if anyone else wants to send in a ballot, nobody is stopping you

Blimey, I'd have liked to do some of this, but it's a tough call to

1) Limit to the 90's
2) limit to stuff not on the other list
3) remember.

Still, will enjoy the results...

stoked for the madness

Sent my list - quite late so hope it'll be counted. 28 albums in there so had to spread myself a bit thin. My top album got 36 points, next 6 albums got 20 points each, next 4 albums got 5 points each, next 7 albums got 2 points each, and last 10 albums got 1 point each.

How does this compare to how the rest of you voted? I imagine if you were desperate to make an impact on the final chart you'd just vote for your one favourite album and award it the full 200 points. Did anyone do that?

I did something similar but spread much thinner over 58 albums -- my top album got 11 points, the next 6 albums got 10 points each, the next 2 albums got 8 points each, the next 6 albums got 6 points each, the next 9 albums got 4 points each, the next 7 albums got 2 points each, and the last 27 albums got 1 point each.

Without dropping any spoilers: I voted for 18 albums. Gave 40 points to one, 20 to another, 10 points to 12 of them and 5 points to 4.

yeah it'll be counted, I'm a big softie

many thanks!! can't wait to see the final list!

So, what's going on with this?

seriously

Another day or two and results should start appearing.

Rules:

-acoleuthic has 200 days to post the results how he will
-One day must get more "hurry the f up" comments than any other (no tied winners)
-We're counting, but he'll cheat

lol

;_;

;_;

― Johnny Fever, Friday, April 23, 2010 4:30 PM (1 minute ago)

ok let's do a bit more tallying now

this is gonna be out WAYYY before the Wire Covers thingy, that's all that matters really

ban l0u1s jagg3r (from doing further polls)

seriously i wish i had taken the initiative to do this poll when i first got the idea

How quickly can you turn this around once voting closes? We hate waiting.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 23:25 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

approximately fifteen seconds

― forgive me fada (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 April 2010 23:27 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Excellent!

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 23:29 (2 weeks ago)

;_;

― Johnny Fever, Friday, April 23, 2010 4:30 PM (1 minute ago)

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 23 April 2010 21:32 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh godsake lex 'homogenic' is in the o.g. poll

what og poll?

oh i've only just read the opening post in this thread lol. i don't think i ever clicked on that thread. no idea what finished there/not. give all the points to my no 1 album then.

feel like I waited longer for them to tally the votes in Florida in '00

hahaha i just compiled all your ineligible votes lex - all the points for ineligible albums will go to your number 1, the rest stay with the albums you gave them to

nah i think i will evenly distribute them among the albums - a 57-point hike because of voter error is kinda ridic

its not easy tabulating results

or votes

have saved the collating of pfunkboy's and ilxor's ballots to the end. god you are both unspeakable bastards

you set the rules

i too am an unspeakable bastard

Sorry everyone, we've probably voted for another ~300 albums between the two of us. Hope you're all prepared to wait another week for the results. Have a nice day!!!

No Surrender to the forces of OCD voting

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-wonders-if-the-food-is-ready.jpg

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-cat-has-no-patience.jpg

Another day or two and results should start appearing.

― Mr. Squee (acoleuthic), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:27 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Goddamn I probably should've voted in this.

How about...100 points for Cardiacs - Sing to God (1+2)
50 points for Naked City - Grand Guignol
25 points for Stereolab -Mars Audiac Quintet and XTC - Apple Venus

How quickly can you turn this around once voting closes? We hate waiting.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 23:25 (2 weeks ago)

approximately fifteen seconds

― forgive me fada (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 April 2010 23:27 (2 weeks ago)

Excellent!

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2010 23:29 (2 weeks ago)

You probably still have time, davek ... quite a lot of time. Not cardiacs though, don't reward his tardiness

Man up, J4gg3r

Davek, if you send an email, your results may well be included.

This goes for anyone else!

You have approximately 12 hours to do so.

Not cardiacs though, don't reward his tardiness

^^^^^^^^^^^

oh yeah allow his votes just cuz its cardiacs

I've allowed every single emailed vote!

Davek will have to change his vote significantly, though. I'm not allowing a vote that's been posted to this thread.

Like, I'm pretty annoyed he posted it here. Way to keep things a mystery!

The "Way to keep things a mystery" would be to not actually post the results

quite enough mystery going on already, thanks

lj for all your board lawyering you seem to enjoy changing the rules for votes after the deadline/as you go along. You're opening up yourself for people to accuse you of cheating or whatever.

This would have all been done last week, for serious, if Pfunkboy and ilxor hadn't sent me ballots that make me want to slash my wrists every time I try to process them

And the rules haven't changed once!

dont try to blame us, you made the rules. My ballot is a genuine ballot and you know it, it wasn't done for laffs.

I don't really care if the result are made up altogether, I just want to see them!

and saying that people submitting ballots you don't like has delayed or affected the process really opens you up for accusations of impropriety

i dont think lj would cheat btw

It's not the content that I don't like, some dude! I am completely unbiased against whatever albums people have voted for. They're just a bitch to chew through. I spent over an hour on Pfunkboy's on Friday and I'd done about a quarter of it

It's not that he doesn't like the content of the ballots (if I recall, he complimented my choices upthread), it's that he'd rather not tally up 300-350 unique albums between our two ballots.

lol xpost

it doesn't matter if it's the content or the form you dislike, like pfunkboy said if they followed the rules that you made up you can't really bitch.

iirc lj was actually specifically warned about this, and it was pointed out that most poll threads have rules about ballots for a reason

Well I've just worked out a much more time-efficient way of processing them (without cheating!) so it should all be done soon.

Just bear in mind slavery is illegal now.

Yeah, this is exact reason why I did a nomination process and limited the number of albums you could vote for in the 80s album poll, which is why I was able to start rolling the results the day after the poll closed. I don't want to be too harsh on LJ, but maybe whoever it was who promised to do the 90s tracks poll can take hint of this, so it won't happen again.

(xx-post)

I have no real problem with this method fwiw; I just haven't been quite as sharp as anyone would have liked. Next-day turnover isn't really necessary in the langorous world of ILX

I don't blame LJ. I do blame Pfunkboy and ilxor however.

IMO we should all chill and wait for the results to come pouring in later today (!!)

It's all good, I am chill. I am sure your hard work will be worth it!

and no-one at all will be surprised if the Cardiacs make a best of the 90s poll for the 1st time ever.

My ballot was one of the first in btw, so not my fault he left it to the end.

Also Pfunkboy I'm docking you one point from your 200 because XTRMNTR was a 00's album ffs

Didn't you redistribute point(s) other people mistakenly gave to ineligible albums?

he did

fine, I'll just tack it onto your #1

oh ilxor! BoC's MHTRTC was in the OG poll!

you silly people

imo if people can't be bothered to read the rules I don't see why you should bother reading their votes

submitted a short ballot with almost all points going to albums that will not win place or show, strategy guide needed

imo if people can't be bothered to read the rules I don't see why you should bother reading their votes

Yes, because mistakenly including one ineligible album from the previous '90s poll, out of nearly 200, is a fucking travesty and should result in all my votes being disqualified.

guyyyyys

nearly finished btw

as soon as I have done collating all extant ballots, voting is completely closed and no further votes counted

Quick! Someone send him another 200 album ballot!!

You've fucking included XTRMNTR as well you clot

AND His'N'Hers which was in the AAAARGH whatever

AND The Bends

I voted! This was fun.