Favourite SST Release 1978-1983?

first four years cd is cheating isn't it. it didn't come out back then did it?

i dunno, but if I didn't include it some fuckwit would complain they couldn't vote for it.

i'm gonna vote for this:

http://home.fnal.gov/~apana/images/jealous.again.jpeg

just cuz i know all the nerd faves will win anyway.

but if it didnt come out that year then people shouldn't vote for it because skot says so!

According to Discogs, First Four Years came out on vinyl in 1983.

019 is... Meat Puppets II?

Yeah, came out in 1984 (yes, I did check, as I am the kind of prick that complains about things missing from polls)

Man, when you get to the latter 80s poll Painted Willie is gonna sweep that shit.

Machine. I'm not a machine.
Won't work. MACHINE

"According to Discogs, First Four Years came out on vinyl in 1983."

oh wow that's cool then i'll vote for that. can't beat that with a friggin' stick.

Voting for nerd fav Damaged.

010 Stains Stains
011 Würm I'm Dead

what are these dudes like? i think Joe Carducci repped for them in Enter Naomi. as bands, at least, anyway. not necessarily for those albums.

yeah nerd faves would be damaged, meat puppets, husker du, and anything by minutemen.

I've Heard It Before is my bad day jam.

Going with the first and best Meat Puppets album (really their second EP, lengthwise, but whatever)over Damaged. Wish I still had Wurm though.

Wasn't Black Flag's "Louie Louie" 45 1981? (Or all these all 12"s? Wasn't sure about "TV Party.")

The Stains album is good stuff. Kick-ass punk rock.

Dunno about Wurm.

I really only need Nervous Breakdown.

Louie Louie was on Posh Boy.

Okay, that makes sense -- my copy is SST, but a later pressing I guess.

xp Actually Metal Circus and What Makes A Man Start Fires might be in the running too. (Have never heard most or maybe any of those early Black Flag EPs in uncompiled form, or First Four Years for that matter, and Everything Went Black was kinda spotty iirc.)

(Uh, actually, scratch that -- I used to own First Four Years, even put it and not Everything Went into my metal book -- thought it was the other way around. But I don't anymore, for some reason.)

Damaged just barely over First Four Years.

The Wurm thing is just a single. Have only ever heard 'Time Has Come Today' off the b-side, which is just kind of so-so. This was Chuck Dukowski's band before Black Flag and (ahem) SWA.

Looking forward to the Zoogz Rift vs SWA face-off in the next poll btw.

I never owned First Four Years. I think I'll have to side with Scott over "Jealous Again" for its danceability.

The Wurm EP is sort of metally, slowish hardcore. Not Flipper slow. Big guitars, like a punk dude playing through Dave Chandler's rig, but not as great as that sounds.

Their album is one of the better hardcore kids playing metal albums, along with YDI's "Black Dust." It's probably a little more hard rock-ish, actually, YDI were still pretty evil. But it's good!

In fact the EP is kinda goofy and a bit shit. But I still like the album.

The Punch Line over Damaged and The First Four Years, but just barely. Another SST shame that Kill From the Heart hasn't been reissued. Thank you to eMusic for Paganicons/Pagan Icons.

"According to Discogs, First Four Years came out on vinyl in 1983."

Oh, yeah, voted for this.

Oh okay... the Wurm I used to own and like was the album, not the EP, which I've never heard. (Was the lineup the same on both?)

I don't know! I've only got MP3s of the album, I haven't seen a copy in years.

http://www.vinylconflict.com/store/images/killfromtheheart.jpg

that stains album rules. but i'm gonna have to say Damaged.

that dicks record is aces too. and of course the minutemen. but while i'm a hardcore husker stan, i never rated metal circus.

will be zen arcade versus meat puppets ii deathmatch in the next poll.

Goddamn this was a great label, huh? Had to go with Damaged.

I used to have the Posh Boy 7" of "louie louie", it fell down the back of the sofa and when I tried to retrieve it, it got snapped in half. Not a happy day.

My vote in the poll...$35 and a six pack to my name.....

Damaged no contest

Probably the only poll without a runaway minutemen victory

haha, yeah, even I would probably go with 021 here, and I threatened to ban people who didn't vote for Double Nickels in the 80s poll

Unique poll, intermingling albums and singles and EPs and compilations...The Punch Line for me, thanks. (Only non-nerd releases I know are the Dicks and S. Trust.)

Didn't seem much point in leaving out compilations n stuff since it was a label release poll. Does seem like a comp will win this poll though. between damaged and metal circus for 2nd place I reckon.
http://thatswhenireachformyrevolver.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/metal-circus1.jpg has got my vote.

Was the first husker du i bought, Tower had it in glasgow for £8 on import sometime in 1992. The next week I went back into Glasgow and bought all the Husker Du i could find in Missing Records.

I thought I was going to cast the only vote for Metal Circus--glad it's not so. The first two Black Flag records were pretty great too.

There's quite a few Husker Du fans on ILM but they're well outnumbered by minutemen fans. Black Flag dont seem to ever win any polls on ILM so it's kinda funny that they will walk this one just cuz its a comp!

I'm about to have a nervous breakdown, my head really hurts! If I can't find a way outta here, I'm gonna go berserk cause... I'm crazy and I'm hurt... BAH DAH DAH DAH... head on my shoulders, it's going BERSERRKKKK

so yeah, I voted for Nervous Breakdown. a perfect five minute panic attack

cool thread idea -- i think the results will be more interesting than my old SST poll: your favorite run of SST releases by one band

voting for What Makes A Man Star Fires btw

xpost. Much more interesting because we will finally be allowed to vote on the genius of Zoogz Rift (when the next poll comes down the pike)!

Metal Circus for me.

Paganicons is a great album, though maybe it feels fresher now because I didn't overplay it then. "I am Right"

016 Minutemen Buzz or Howl Under the Influence of Heat

cus i'm a nerd

Damn, seeing that Metal Circus cover makes me wanna change my vote!

Suggested poll: Best hardrocking non-metal "Metal" album (Metal Circus, Metal Box, Metal Machine Music, Metallic KO, etc.)

another Damaged nerd (Meat Puppets S/T runner up)

SST 004 for me. My favourite album ever, not just on SST.

But I love loads of the records on this list - in fact I have everything on here, but the standouts are PaganIcons, the Everything Went Black comp, Metal Circus, the Stains (which was deleted mere months after release, a real shame), the first Meat Puppets and the Subhumans CDN.

a perfect five minute panic attack

Yes!

Re: Everything Went Black, I'm one of those people who heard EWB before Damaged, so when I eventually got to hear the latter I was SO disappointed at the sloppiness of songs like 'Damaged II', which are like razor-sharp attacks in their earlier versions.

there's a lot more menace and rancour in the Damaged-era "sloppiness" i'd argue

'Menace' definitely didn't come to mind when I heard Damaged. 'Laziness' maybe...

Love the first three Husker albums, but I feel like they were still finding their voice lyrics-wise, where Black Flag and Minutemen were already on some other-level classic.

I thought I was going to cast the only vote for Metal Circus--glad it's not so. The first two Black Flag records were pretty great too.

― clemenza, Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You may be shocked to hear this after the devastating Alice Cooper/Velvet Underground brawl you and I recently had, but I voted for Metal Circus as well.

Damaged no contest

― Get the Flaps Out (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:51 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

torn between meat puppets, dicks & damaged.

I don't think there's really much chat on Black Flag on ILM, not compared to the Minutemen at least. And I never really understood why they aren't that loved on ILM. Is it because of Rollins hate?

It's cuz I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN I'VE HEARD BEFORE JUST WANNA SHUT YOU UP

went dicks today; all so good

KNIFE
(stick me)
(STICK. ME.)
One in his HEART and three in each SIDE
KNIIIIIIIVES

you're one of them.

Favourite Hüsker Dü Album?

I voted for Saccharine Trust, that record's an underexposed gem imo

You guys are overlooking the Blasting Concept here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/The_Blasting_Concept.jpg

1 Minutemen - "Paranoid Chant" (Mike Watt) - 1:18
2 Minutemen - "The Maze" (D. Boon) - 0:41
3 Minutemen - "Boiling" (George Hurley/Mike Watt) - 0:56
4 Minutemen - "Games" (D. Boon/Mike Watt) - 1:04
5 Meat Puppets - "Tumblin' Tumbleweeds" (Bob Nolan) - 2:03
6 Meat Puppets - "Meat Puppets" (Derrick Bostrom/Curt Kirkwood) - 1:38
7 Saccharine Trust - "A Human Certainty" (Joe Baiza/Jack Brewer) - 5:12
8 Black Flag - "Nervous Breakdown" (Greg Ginn) - 2:07
9 Black Flag - "Jealous Again" (Greg Ginn) - 1:50
10 Black Flag - "I've Heard It Before" (Chuck Dukowski/Greg Ginn) - 1:41
11 Overkill - "Hell's Getting Hotter" (Kurt Markham) - 1:10
12 Stains - "Get Revenge" (R. Navarro) - 1:19
13 Wurm - "I'm Dead" (Ed Danky/Chuck Dukowski) - 3:26
14 Hüsker Dü - "Real World" (Bob Mould) - 2:27

...sounds like a winner to me.

its great

i hate to be the challop in the mustard pot, but is it just me or are there at least 500 hardcore records better than damaged? it really does feel like one of those ten-hardcore-records-you-should-own-even-if-you-don't-listen-to-hardcore kinda things. don't get me wrong, i like it okay, but pre-damaged flag is like god in heaven to me in comparison. plus, rollins really is one of the worst punk singers on earth. which seems funny, cuz you would think that would be a plus! but there is bad and there is bad bad. he looked great though. guess that counts for something.

(real talk: i've only heard it a couple times, but i kinda prefer Slip It In to Damaged)

hey i'm a big fan of loose nut so i got love for the later daze.

or was a big fan of loose nut. haven't heard it in years.

i do like damaged but i kinda agree w/you scott...it was a bit of let down to me, especially compared to "group sex" by the circle jerks which i heard around the same time for the first time as well

"but is it just me or are there at least 500 hardcore records better than damaged?"

There isn't even one Black Flag record better than Damaged, so no.

I don't like Rollins generally, but this was his one shining moment of greatness (minus Damaged I).

for me Damaged is all about Ginns deranged guitar playing - half the time it sounds like he's having a fight with thing.

^^^ this exactly. it's the best album for rollins, too, but the first time i heard damaged i totally fell in love with the guitar.

Nervous Breakdown vs. Metal Circus

can't decide

yes you can!

so hard, was the biggest SST-stan at the time so know and love most of these. almost voted Blasting Concept as it was my first SST record and has all the hits, but went with Paganicons cuz I've probably played it the most over the years (even last week).

1984 is going to be impossible

Now I have 'Can't Decide' stuck in my head.

i was gonna do 1984 this week alongside this poll but went for the husker du albums poll instead

PAGANICONS is great but SURVIVING YOU, ALWAYS is the definitive sactrust jam imho

voted THE PUNCH LINE, cos he died w/ shit in his pants

I don't know why I'm not better acquainted with Saccharine Trust, cos I love the shit out of Baiza's stuff with the Universal Congress Of.

Herman, one flaw with your polling masterplan is that I think SST released about a billion different records in 1988.

My War is the one irreplaceable Black Flag record for me...

will worry about 1988 poll when we get there

1988 will be Leaving Trains vs Zoogz vs Henry Kaiser vs Run Westy Run, it'll be grim and sparsely attended (bit like the Leaving Trains gig I went to in London then).

1988 = screaming trees,firehose,descendents,SONIC YOUTH - SISTER,minutemen - post mersh 1 & 2

...and Dinosaur Jr Bug and Soundgarden Ultramega OK

Sister was 1987 though.

Will vote Kirk Kelly though just to fuck shit up

Go man, go.

I raise you Roger Manning

PAGANICONS is great but SURVIVING YOU, ALWAYS is the definitive sactrust jam imho

voted THE PUNCH LINE, cos he died w/ shit in his pants

YES to everything uttered here.

sometimes i think MacDara likes SST a lot more than he lets on

hey scott what is your fave of the nerd picks?

I have to admit that as much as I love Black Flag, the various studio releases aren't particularly indispensable. They were just so amazing and ferocious live (holy crap, the five piece version with Dez and Rollins!) that the records are just kinda frustrating to listen to.

i envy old people

voted 021 as ultimate statement but now suffering buzz or howl remorse

'My War' mustn't be soon after this...unfortunately I think it's considered the runt of the 1984 Husker/Minutemen/Puppets litter, which is a shame - it's a fucked up record as it is, but if they had a proper bassist and a second guitarist/Dez on there, wow. Would have been amazing, easily Flag's best.

sometimes i think MacDara likes SST a lot more than he lets on

It's more than that, even. Anyone wanna see my collection of SST Superstore catalogues?

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

How many you got?

Off the top of my head, maybe 10 or more out of a published 15 or so (according to the cat numbers on the catalogues themselves). I used them to compile the SST discography I put up on my own site for shits and giggles a few years ago, and which now appears to be all over the interweb.

One day I'll scan and post 'em somewhere. I don't have any of the early ones, though - I think the earliest one I have is from '89? The latest is from '98 - I wrote to SST and Greg (or whoever) sent me one in an SST-logoed envelope. I'm such a geek.

haha. These polls are gonna break you, arent they?

The next couple will be very difficult, indeed. But that goes for everyone, surely.

It barely needs to be said that the '84 poll will be an epic duel between Zen Arcade and Double Nickels.

double nickels is ILM canon, it cant be beaten.

i'd vote zen arcade over double nickels in a heartbeat, fwiw

i would too.

me too but we're on a loser

zen arcade is for emo crybabies

imo

damaged or what makes a man should win

but I'm throwing my vote away on paganicons, that record is so annoying

I love it

Always had time for early Meat Puppets so I'm going to vote for that to get it off the ground
They were so fucking weird. Or was it the drugs? Or the desert?

Metal Circus or Damaged.

Imagine the latter fart chamber engineered/produced? Home come Metal Circus sounded so 'clean' in comparison? They were both 'Spotified'

That Stains album had some deranged Ginnified guitar.

The Minutemen weren't punk rock enough for me *ducks*

That Stains album had some deranged Ginnified guitar.

tbh i always thought the guitar on their album sounded like it influenced ginn, rather than the other way around.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Well well well. I really thought Damaged was gonna get the vote here.

Shame no one voted for the Subhumans or the Stains - they both deserve to be heard a lot more.

can somebody fill me in on 'metal circus'? i feel like a dork for having not looked deeper into their catalogue after getting 'zen arcade'

107 votes is a really good turnout for an ILM poll.

wow at the turnout. I thought the first four years would walk it.

wonder if the next one will get a big turn out

The only way to find out is to start it.

I had hoped there would be discussion of the results here

Favourite SST Release of... 1984

009 Meat Puppets Meat Puppets 1

Honestly shocked, given the turnout, that I'm the only person to vote for this. Have always thought it was their best record.

Always had time for early Meat Puppets so I'm going to vote for that to get it off the ground

Though wait a minute; seems they should have had two votes, at least...

MacDara, were the "superstore catalogs" just the xerox fliers for merch they'd put in record sleeves? If you're interested, I have some older ones I can scan and email to you. (One from 86 in my copy of SST 060; one from 85 in SST 039; and one from 84 in SST 027.)

FWIW, those catalogs show that The First Four Years was available by 84, but only on cassette. For $6.50!

The ones I have are properly printed, one sheet folded up small, listing the full available catalogue and merch from all the labels - text only. I imagine they started doing them once they opened the actual superstore on Sunset Boulevard (I'm told that place was tiny, like Rough Trade tiny).

The earliest I have from '89 is more like a flier, with images of some of the records out that year. I'd love to see even earlier ones! I could put them up in a Flickr group or something, if there's no objections.

I've got SST catalogues that are like 8 pages long and magazine-size with a picture of every release in it. Think the newest one is 1989-ish, it's got shite like the Treacherous Jaywalkers. I'm sure I've got multiple copies, I'll have a root around in my records for you.

That would be even better! Much appreciated, thank you!

i had a feeling Husker Du would take this -- they always seem to do way better than conventional wisdom would indicate in ilx polls. Zen Arcade might even give Double Nickels competition.

what's pooping ahn

A+

xps No problem, I think I've got an SST bumper sticker you can have too if the glue hasn't gone to shit.

Kind of surprising results. I like early Husker's stuff, but pre-1984 they are definitely the third best SST act.

wow, IMO metal circus is one of the worst records on this list!

vvvv husker du fan tbh vvvv

just always thought that record was a stinker

012 Black Flag TV Party 3

sum true heroes postin here 2day

wow, IMO metal circus is one of the worst records on this list!

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vvvv husker du fan tbh vvvv

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just always thought that record was a stinker

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cosign

002 Minutemen Paranoid Time 0

on the criminal tip: maybe their finest moment?

I like 014 better myself, but yeah surprised that got 0.

metal circus haters are so so so wrong

i can't remember if i voted, i think i was gonna vote for paranoid time

listening to paranoid time on lala.com now

total running time: 6:31

unreal how much was accomplished in six and change

I TRY TO TALK TO GIRLS I KEEP THINKIN OF WORLD WAR III

amirite?!?!?!?! so awesome.

the maze is pretty awes as well

paranoid time IS amazing, shame on us all ;_;

SCARED SHITLESSSSSSS!

can you ever be sure? of the goddamn time of day?

Check out this SST Catalog blurb:

STAINS: Stains. Another classic LP recorded in 1981 and released in 1983. This is the first speed metal ever and it's never been equaled. Tracks include Gang Related Death, Sick And Crazy and nine others. SST 010 (45 RPM EP $6.50)

yeah metal circus is my least fave husker thing from that era. i don't even own it anymore. and i pretty much love everything else. up until they sucked.

'Real World' is still Grade A Husker product imo, but yeah, not mad keen on the rest. Think I voted for What Makes a Man Start Fires?.

'Real World' and 'It's Not Funny Anymore' are very good tracks, but it's 'Diane' that rates among Husker Du's greatest songs imo, and is largely the reason I voted for "Metal Circus"

006 Saccharine Trust Paganicons 4

!!!

Paranoid Time-- too perfect to vote for? I dunno what happened there.

goose egg for paranoid time is rank criminality

WTF

wow, IMO metal circus is one of the worst records on this list!

^^^yes

xpost Paranoid Time is perfect. I still give The Punch Line the edge over the others--all three members writing, and firing on all cylinders, as on Double Nickels. Husker benefit from Black Flag vote-splitting, and First Four Years is No. 2 if you count votes for the singles it contains.

Paranoid Time-- too perfect to vote for? I dunno what happened there.

The Minutemen were evolving so quickly at the time - to Joy and then The Punch Line is such a leap forward - that Paranoid Time kinda gets lost in the wake. At least that's how I see it.

shakey youre so wrong

i got no problems w/ Metal Circus, but i'm really kinda blown away that it got that many votes. had a feeling Damaged and First Four Years would split the vote and something else might sneak into #1, just not by that crazy of a margin.

guess i should take into account all of the Black Flag singles that further spread votes around.

black flag split vote was always gonna happen.

HOW MIGHT YOUTH INK MILO GOES TO COLLEGE WOULD HAVE FARED MY DEAR BRITISHES?

only one vote for Würm? savages, the lot of you

HOW MIGHT YOUTH INK MILO GOES TO COLLEGE WOULD HAVE FARED MY DEAR BRITISHES?

If SST had released it in 1982 then maybe it would've split a few votes, but they didn't!

In your FACE shasta!

only one vote for Würm? savages, the lot of you

i might vote for the album in the 1985 poll nah who am i kidding it's gonna be vitus

you know its true