random old rap you are loving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g2Isz-1NIY

this is one of the best beats ever -- seagulls in memphis??

Listening to the Pandora "I Got It Made" channel. No obscure tracks, but all good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtIGCGu9L90

i used to watch this video all the time on MTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VVCX6JA8Y

O.G.

that's great too, meant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwB5ddAVpNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzyaaMUCpWs

turns out the oc album is secretly just as good as lifestylz ov da poor and dangerous

enjoyed that on utube just the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYSMXG4M6NI

Oh, I thought you guys actually meant old.

naw we meant what you meant by old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m-gHa-kgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXBckFyiMyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szSuautV-DA&feature=related

69 Boyz - Tootsee Roll

The Alkaholik's... great group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC57FNW3xyI

Coincidentally am listening to the O.C. - Word... Life album this morning. Never thought to call it "old" but then I suppose I am old myself so n/m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi2Zdy6wp3g

sens unik - "le repas"

stetsasonic - "all that jazz"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGucD4k1exo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YybgC9V5Yaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vldvtc56q28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29jRWS7y7bA

this shit is so monochromatic

spearhead - "red beans and rice"

i recently discovered how awesome Schoolly d is

all day last sunday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fg2NRCB9Sc

great thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QdgC6w0gL4

no one could do it better

lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IEuJkYRggA

watch out you don't get any on you @ 1:34

I like my pockets fat and not flat.

yeah, schoolly d - "psk/gucci time" is all-time classic, especially played at 45rpm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvaCe_kkkZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCn-dvtO-PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpwfm6G1ZM

damn, that was the rong one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4anAKdiIf8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCn7nVOV4wM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk6YhfpXUSs&feature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVMT_itVC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj31LWPjFoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBgvwO-i6ls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNnoUyYDDhA

HA! <3 for bringing back the treacherous3

http://vote08.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/08/time-machine.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhJ5o53G9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKvl1kzbp-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOHvOhADAic

Brutha Lynch Hung
Black Moon - enta da stage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrSgpusp7PA&NR=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoqbAODXAbY&feature=related

DJ RED ALERT IS GOIN BESERK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfP4iyw8AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNz6qqG56u8

Kiss You Back by Digital Underground.

I just cannot get Gasface Refill by KMD out of my head today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyXe-ZIyTR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe7jeZmYxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_aMJGFowU&feature=fvst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_aMJGFowU&feature=fvst

sorry for dup post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZONdoV_TBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZVdNenXlA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xMHJddPIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXpaT-Xces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ_-IyTX6JU&feature=player_embedded#at=103

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOn3V0EQK0c

this whole album is a stone-cold classic - how is there no suga free thread?

"Only reason that girl wear panties is to keep her ankles warm"

So good he used it twice on the same album, the other being my choice cut off Street Gospel:

Doe Doe and a Skunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk58yokXtAw

Probably the bounciest rap album Ive ever owned, also one of the best.

yeah dude I got it off your ballot, major props

My pleasure, def weird that there isnt a Suga Free thread, maybe when the next Quik produced SF album drops (fingers crossed).

there's a thread on 77 where ppl talk about suga free for a while, but his name isn't in the title -- it was started by gr80, some general music rec thread, i don't remember what it was called & i'm too lazy to search for it

Noob question; what's a 77 thread?

shhhh secret borad, don't tell anybody

post here to get access but don't tell anybody on pain of death

Hmm, alright, done, thanks.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DWvmWWQhxk4/S0eQ2lgaYFI/AAAAAAAAAJU/Ik9sROK70uo/s320/Kam-+Kamnesia+(Front+Side).jpg

^this is dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKEuhM72R1I

from some ILX0r-curated Scarface mixtape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gN_UDm4zWo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBro3-95Xo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aELH0U2gkk

awesome video intro and the choreographed woods dance!

Comparing this to YG's 'Left, Right' video and it seems rap videos haven't changed too much over the years.

LANDLORD LANDLORD WHERE YOU AT,
I'M HIDIN IN THE BUSHES WITH A BASEBALL BAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cw5VnFPW_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbVO5Cjb5o

I'm a fool
I'm a nut
I'm a nigga from the cut
Split the blunt roll it up
& the deuce is what I chuck
I'm a prosper
Spittin' street gospel
Baby Basherini man the modern day apostle
Lacin' up my boots
Man I'm slappin' on my spurs
Smokin' on derb
In the Burb hittin' curbs
& boy when that occurs
My music's gonna splurge
Automatic causin' havoc
Cause I caused a power surge
Wit the California herb
H-Town wit the lean
These million dollar words got me on that big screen
I ain't gonna lie
I'm in it till I die
So muthafuck you, America's apple pie!

beautiful

this shit slays right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWdgTraidlU

Schoolly D is awesome. Saturday Night, Put Your Filas On and PSK are on constant rotation over here.

No love for Ultramagnetic MC's?

everybody loves Ultramagnetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPRjXihfjY

not random bcos 2pac but whatever all the 2pac threads are scattered

Always felt like the little brother to I Get Around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8jCJ7yVDYg

shoulda been a hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr2jSR_ML9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEvpbm2w2R8

love Sadat here

I haven't listened to that in ages, I kind of forgot about it.

I've been listening to a lot of these History of Hip Hop mixes lately while hanging out with the baby on the floor, which is pretty great.

whole album is great

how I wish there was a ridic Broadway musical production of it

Pain is def my fav on there, breeze's verse is great. love that one w Sadat too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvv7c4BBKyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05pcczvmrjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk9RaIel9kc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2NqcWP8tos

ha totally forgot that song was called that. it's been just the "braniac dumdums" song to me.

Mama Mystique "Tremendous"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJxj45psNj4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjQ2pBF_q1w

was looking up old ant banks tracks and this guy came up. apparently goes by ant bankz but this video is labeled wrong. love this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uff2TQ1f9Q

Slightly obscure 90's gem, love this remix

https://youtu.be/EBoApHLH7go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePos1JLL9ZU
Tico in Japan always delivers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiGCLrU5hMk

who dat bitch be every time i see

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkmcZHFCE

another Sadat guest spot

whoa that beat.

DJ Spinna is so unheralded. And versatile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QzZQCs7VE

"fuck halloween treats cause ain't shit sweet"

I liked the reference to BDP's "The Bridge is Over" on Empire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvAi4uRMVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDvMv60Vfc8

aw Mad Skillz, there's one guy I'd like to see write a tell-all confessions of a ghostwriter book

alliteration has been underused, no?
"bumpin with a big black broad named Belinda..."
one that always pops in my head is Slick Rick's "it's cool when you cause a cozy condition..."

alliteration is one of my favorite rapper tools, sean price was a master at it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5jgwsl6pg

They say pussy and paper is poetry power and pistols

cool...I never checked out Heltah Skeltah, cause they're called Heltah Skeltah

Ah man. Nocturnal is a top 10 90s album for me.

will def check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEnYitJs1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp_t75KYkWs

not 'old' so much as it is 'not new', but i can't stop playing this song these days. when I was more active in theatre, I used to play this and "B.M.F." before shows to fire myself up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok_lsvojSjA

Slide off in my six n****
I dont want yo bitch n****
Hoes been wantin me for too long
Love this gangsta shit that im on
Ridin on chrome heavy foot
What else can she do but look
Coogied up from head to toe
Keep me a coupla stacks at the floor
Back to the floor aint I nice
Play with the cash and u playin with ya life
And anyone that u choose ya still lose
And then ima tax on them mothafuckin dues
I do it for the blues I do it for the bloods
Fuck the feds and fuck the judge
Im about to drop a bomb n****
Watch out for saddam n****

thats v triumphant. love it.

Been going through Battlecat's productions for the last few weeks. Trying to hear everything he's done. Ras Kass debut is p weak production wise but this beat is perfect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHESjLtkFM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpv5EhJrnE0

you couldn't find a good freak anywhere :(

little jermaine dupri poppin and lockin is so cuet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLYC7ltxOrk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlZo0Uwaja8

that's my shit

B Legit def one of my favorite voices in rap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeYHRY6Q5qg

Cappadonna - Hook Off
on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfsylzvSBJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEVluBvuG1U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=absw8UDtchQ

Various Artists

another JT the Bigga Figga song I love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YwnsgEoD9I

Mr. Q - DJ Style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wC9dlmGK8

heard this on a comp somewhere and loved it. really dig the days when you could get away with stuff like this.

game recognize game is a certified bay area classic

^^ as it should be. the whole album bangs (Playaz in the Game)

yeah it's great. if you like classic early 90s bay stuff you should check out IMP (Ill Mannered Playaz). Both 'back in the days' and the s/t albums are great.

Back In the Days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8S3lgruvwo
Bang Bang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoQMlKgUE7c
Cougnut is the guy who has the real gruff voice, died in 2001.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5WNUMMPuw4

this is my fav off the IMP album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2V6jAKS0-w

good choice. absolutely perfect alb cover too.

always loved the "Ill Mannered" in their name - "we've got attitude! we're dangerous! okay well maybe not *that* dangerous, but our table manners are genuinely terrifying..."

lol

rip cougnut

random old rap albums i listened to this weekend :

yo gotti - life
webbie - savage life
pastor troy - pastor troy for president
mac dre the game is thick vol 2
lil flip, lil ron & big t - 3 headed monster
dsgb - the last supper

i love rap music.

Scienz Of Life- Powers Of Nine Ether

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDgO-VSGpP8

lot of old memphis tapes on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1bb0wJ54k

tommy wright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbCbbcVvxo

lil ramsey produced by dj tommy wright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5sPv65HV08

niggaz of destruction. listen to the first ten minutes of this. if nothing else here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-38G3iQpiN0

gime sum family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbvjwzUIYE

i never really recognized the distinct memphis sound, and i never really even got into three six mafia that much even though i used to buy every hypnotize minds release i saw in used cd stores. maybe it's because it never had an impact beyond the midwest and the south, so there were never popularized records like houston has records that came out in the 90s and have been sampled and redone and quoted from and interpolated dozens of times in houston and way outside, and the sound was mostly gone by the 2000s. these tapes sound similar to old midwest and south album, kind of... but there are similarities, the creepy nintendo shit and cheap crispness. i'm into it.

i don't even know what this mack 187 is, really. to me it could have been made in 2005 or 2015 because i don't really have any context for it, instrumentals and chants over.... i want someone to listen to it and explain what i'm hearing here.

maybe it's some memphis rap vaporwave shit, i dunno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8G2O1cCF_g

this is good, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3T2ayN3MI

Love "dippin"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyngFurWy14

thread rules

So this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TB2enM7afA

led me to search to download that World Renown track (which itself was sampled in something. the "feel the vibe" line. blanking on what sampled it). Only thing I found it on was this Dj Premier compliation: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BN2FCH0/ref=pd_mp3_als_qp_pa

There's 3 volumes of that and they're all really good. Had only heard a few of the cuts before.

those are cool. thx.

most of those don't seem particularly special/weird - except for that first Cypress Hill one, I had no idea

Buggin Out came on at my lunch place and damn, it kicks. Phife so good

lovin this young bleed, reminds me of b.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PasS777nRJ0

It's off the hook this year, gettin mad money off the books this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbDoh6A9VME

oh man haven't listed to co flow in a long time ! good revive

was loving "i'll bee dat" by redman and "da rockwilder" by method man/redman this morning

you ship off keys, we ship grand pianos

was loving "i'll bee dat" by redman and "da rockwilder" by method man/redman this morning

― na (NA), Friday, December 1, 2017 10:17 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these have aged so well. redman in particular is so underrated bc of the nas-centricity of the convo

Is there another mc as fun as Redman, past or present? (not rhetorical. wondering if there's someone I've missed out on).

been going back to old raps all morning now and speaking of fun raps currently bumping Tha Alkaholiks

first two albums

yep good call

wtf no The Beatnuts - Street Level on spotify? have to dig that CD up when i get home

ahhhh this will work !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIKiThGuD-E

so good

man this is def my hip hop sweet spot and my main old-man gripe about modern stuff. there's gotta be someone coming with playful fun shit now right??

a lot of the beatnuts stuff is missing (or missing certain tracks) on streaming bc of sample clearance issues, same as w/ de la soul

as far as stuff in that redman/beatnuts vein today I really like the Chris Crack and Vic Spencer albums from this year & the year before, though they're maybe a little more vituperative (Redman) than the more brolic party rap beatnuts style

thanks deej, will check them out

deej otm and right on cue

#NewProfilePic because Redman is my idol and I’m keeping this picture up until he hears my music. Somebody has to help me make this happen. I don’t want to leave earth until it happens. I think he’d love my shit. #fan #idol #hardcore #legend pic.twitter.com/gImlBQgR8r

— The King of Living. (@VicSpencer) December 4, 2017

just came across this 12 inch, Musab - "Where My Mama Chill", he was one of the original Rhymesayers guy (known as Beyond) but I think it was kinda "off brand" for what they evolved into in terms of being more street than emo rap, works as Sab the Artist now and lives in Vegas I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7AtcTFuh5Q

I am pleased at the recent love and respect Redman has been getting from younger cats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdLdeu2nIFc&list=RDOdLdeu2nIFc&t=59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ubzreiEso
So do you know where you're goin' to?

This one gets in my head all the time. Which I guess makes it not random cuz it's ingrained.

kinda interesting using two big east coast references (slick rick and tribe) on a west coast song then

good tune

that dude's outfit is unreal

that song was huge

carne your link is broken

romeo & juliet is a classic

such a memorable chorus

THis is what Carne posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdLdeu2nIFc

oh didn't realize i screwed that up . thanks deej

ras kass was so ill on this

Someone posted the phrase "bro down" and it made me think of Crucial Conflict - Showdown, which I perennially return to:
https://youtu.be/i8YdbycIkSE

Going through my old CDs recently and fired up the I Got the Hookup soundtrack, had forgotten about this ugk track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWqUQQtC5A0
soundtrack is loaded tbf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDN-QaeiEos

King Tee - Black Togetha Again

he's such a legend imo

he's also wearing one of the all-time classic gold chain links in that video

this randomly popped into my head recently after being nearly erased, actually sounds better than I remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSG0mF9f5r0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOo8JIVxol4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InGtiEXQyF0

MOOD - Info for the Streets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PsFWcQCur4

Yaggfu Front - Busted Loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xq6yWtUuDI

that is awesome

haha had never seen the video. the yellow jeep with massive tower speakers attached to the sides >>

the post-hit squad/scenario type super hyper bugs bunny rap genre is one of my favs

I listened to fila fresh crew and gucci crew II today.

god i love this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX481mDqXTo

p good!
never even heard of it before

he's like X-Clan's little brother or something

I guess he's from Cincinnati! which is weird how few rappers have ever been from there, Hi-Tek the producer for Talib is the only person of note I can think of

https://www.citybeat.com/home/article/13028185/cover-story-the-life-jibri-built

huh, interesting! all wiki turned up was the MC Breed connection

Hi_Tek had a group in Cincinnati called Mood who released a decent LP in '97. RJD2's crew, MHZ, spawned Camu Tao and Copywrite. Though that's Columbus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7CzA46RvNo

Justin Warfield - K Sera Sera. Underrated '93 jam produced by Prince Paul.

sweet 2 picks, hadnt either of these from the revive

I remember really loving that Justin Warfield album at the time and being totally baffled that it was slept on since, after all, Prince Paul produced it (lol)

MOOD - DOOM has a few classic tracks. Can't say I've listened to the whole thing recently.

i think it is just alright, with a few standouts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q5mrOLUXuM

Bumpy Knuckles - Who Knows Why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdhZ8xKawM

Killarmy - Wu-Renegades

listened to the whole album yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKt2xFAzfAY

The Nonce - Mixtapes

rip Yusef

It's been YEARS since I heard that, thank you.

an all time hook

I remember really loving that Justin Warfield album at the time and being totally baffled that it was slept on since, after all, Prince Paul produced it (lol)

the only really good album that Justin has ever released if you ask me.
many years ago he told me he was going to go back to hip hop as he had done some mixtapes with leftovers from the One Inch Punch era, but as expected, nothing came of it.
yesterday I found a cd copy of the young black teenagers album (s/t) with bombsquad production.
not heard this before, but damn, its hitting the spot.

Rubberoom - Acid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TPhf-OY5v0

wow have not heard the Nonce since soph yr college

this was def one of the weirdest Prince Paul things ever...I wonder who Duke Crapmore, Flybot Van Dam and Guy Albino were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Vb8gC2ydk

this is so fucking ridic and stupid i can't believe this god made

"me so hard/I gotta AK-48"

I don't think Prince Paul had anything to do with them

really? that was a rumor but who knows

just feeling these hitler wears hermes mixtapes. some old enough some not that old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrKCZ2ey8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq1UCLeOWwA

this is bonkers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILbzU2ii2Iw

that bass

The whole "Buckwild: Diggin in the Crates" comp is *chef's kiss*. Not an innovative producer (unless he was the one other NYC guys bit??) but so damn consistent. Every track has lil flourishes to keep your attention.

i havent heard this comp. going to check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfi0RHFi1-c

"Call you 'hon' before I bag it, after that it's..."

Crazy that this track lives only on pricey oop 12".

quik 90s production was really untouchable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9FI99are8

Myka 9 - delusions of grandeur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7KuKiBVhbw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ugpH6TNIfU

such a sick flow on this! haven't heard it in a long time

omg just listened to that for 1st time in year last night

this I heard last night for 1st time ever:
Red Fox & Brand Nubian - Hey! Mr Rude Bwoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuKLwn0gnP4

Sadat killed it.

re: Myka 9, I keep coming across MCs I assumed stop making music after ~2000 who have like 8 full albums released in 21st century

yeah dude hasnt stopped. and his stuff is scattered cos his name seems to always be spelled different ie Mikah 9, Mikah Nine, Myka 9, Myka Nine, etc. plus he's done collab albums with random producers and groups (magic heart genies?). His debut 'its all love' is personal classic for me even tho it's like half good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyyP3_ABqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngUzRlHl6p0

did you watch that Good Life doc from a few years back? think it was on Netflix

yeah! its really good

This is the Life is the name of it

re: Brand Nubian - Grand Puba's '2000' album is awesome

“I Like It” is a classic cut

On the FF tip as well
https://dai.ly/x24kfsb

Shaft Gangsta Clic - Sixteen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTXUWnrJO9A

i just tried spotify for the first time. i never heard the e money bags rip album before (spotify gives the title as: in e moneybags we trust) but, knew of him (e money bags got moet chandon / bundle of sixty two / they ain't got a clue what we about to do) and had heard ''thugs calm down.'' every track on it is solid. also ''i want it'' has two nas verses i've never heard before which is rare since everything gets recycled all over the place. love the kool g rap / nature track. and a track with showboys (the trigger rap showboys i assume) which isn't on youtube: https://open.spotify.com/track/3TP0bIJhdCTS6xKyNhR9cU

People Under the Stairs was an act I was unaware of but Spotify recommended it a couple of weeks ago and I’m loving it.

Willie D - Die

on alchemist's 2004 1st infantry, on "boost the crime rate," the sample at 4:49 ("it goes back to medieval legend") i swear is jordan peterson.

Thes from People Under the Stairs is one of my fav old school sample-based producers. The battle of him vs will.i.am is classssssic, it's on youtube.

i put this banger on tape for a friend the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhB3eIDXjT0

also my friend who passed earlier this year was really deep into Memphis rap and one of his tapes brought Tommy Wright III to my attention, this track in particular is insane and i listen to it all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3_iwFPUKDg

whole big tuck tape is hard

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiW9qdxlZg0

this is just the best, isn't it

his tonite show collab album was really good/fun

why is every golden age playlist on spotify full of a$ap ferg and post malone can someone plz help me out with a random old rap I am loving + some classic playlist?

a random old rap I am loving + some classic playlist

Is that two things or one thing? Some old rap I'm loving:

1. BDP - South Bronx
2. Mantronix - Fresh Is The Word
3. Sir Mix-A-Lot - Posse On Broadway ("Loving" may be a little strong for this one. I'm fine with it.)
4. Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
5. Rappin' 4 Tay - Playaz Club
6. Lootpack - Weededed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfh-FXrA7bY

sadetwizelve
sadetwizelve
8 months ago
This is just as bad as mumble rap

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Maff 90
Maff 90
7 months ago
Don't understand. You must be Mumbling

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Marvin Allen
Marvin Allen
7 months ago
Absolutely this was garbage back then only weirdos could relate to this weirdo rap, now mumble rap is the new weirdo rap

lol

Definitely better than mumble rap. That's fast, above 110 bpm? The mix does sound a little off to me. I wonder what the garbage weirdo rates, probably strictly stans for Kanye with the occasional Eminem interlude. I honestly think Kanye is becoming some kind of white nationalist darling.

xp can be a combination of classics and random old rap

basically any decent playlist of old rap appreciated

I use the ego trip list sometimes https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2UGZr7wQ7fYS335myf4RVu?si=OHdw03CWQ6ylBsehUQno6w

preemptive apology as i am not spotify savvy, but there was a series of old school hiphop compilation albums from the early 90s called street jams: hiphop from the top and they really gave me an education back in my junior high cassette walkman days.

part one
part two
part three
part four

there was also the slightly more "new school" oriented (i.e. post-run d.m.c.) but equally as great rapmasters series. i had like five of them, but i never knew just how many volumes there were. according to discogs, there were at least nine volumes (!!).

also lol fu-schnickens: the dudes who put on shaq

taking sides: das efx or fu-schnickens — which 90s motormouth rap was superior?😄

(i'd vote das efx and would be offended by anything else, tbh)

come to think of it, treach from naughty by nature was totally one of those motormouth rappers too. how did he not get totally pigeonholed into that? naughty had jams for days tho. this is an alltimer i don't care what anyone says.

feel me flow is all time

das efx was hit squad no comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQPmms9dWw8

some serious disharmonics going on

obv loving it

man, the things one forgets.

and maybe i'm crazy (okay, i definitely am), but isn't that the same sample source as outkast's 'southerplayalisticadillacmuzik'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPagRrAgIU

checked whosampled and no info on mo`thugs to be found.

hm not sure, i cant really hear it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYSteLH104http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYSteLH104

Just learned of this incredible '97 Ghetto Mafia jam from Killer Mike in an RTJ interview.

niiiiice

(title is confusing there...album and song are both "Straight from the DEC")

Haha, hit discogs to see if I could find it cheap and shipped from the US. 2 for sale - $120 and $199.

it's crazy there's an amazing Killer Mike album that never got official release

the first ghetto mafia cd is great and cheap

"on da grind" too

Straight from the DEC album is fucking great; I missed this back in the 90s! Thanks!

young bleed - give and take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPE9F6jPQw8

should say its a really great sounding song and the video audio is piss poor, this version sounds better

that's fire

i recently remembered this classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLzenunwAOQ

both great tracks

https://youtu.be/RyIOMCTkLSI

Always liked every "Inside You" sample and that mc's voice (whose name I don't know, only heard him in one or two other tracks)

he sounds familiar.

totally forgot about i look good

goin thru some old vinyl in the quarantine

Killer Mike's "Monster" is a lot better than I remembered it. Can't find a youtube of U Know I Love U.

the prince paul remix of blue flowers is the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCQpCRFtJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc2xESpxO2s

Today's Test Pressing playlist from Telephones has this absolute gem on it. Used to play this album to death back in the day but haven't listened to it in ages and will have to dig it out again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuKqT8Puvo

I still play "The CIA is Trying To Kill Me" a few times a year

fat pat - reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HKEJGrjwcQ

fat pat is the best. happen to bump this gem the other day

(dea - sun hit da fade)

https://youtu.be/2QsN0EDq8C8

98 was the best year for rap

love fat pat, project pat, patrick ewing, patrick henry...

listening to the DEA album now thank you brimstead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmAiVkLayQ

absolute jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HPhKGMNjQ4

always thought this was really good for a blatant attempt to get on the radio.

I have that album, somehow they got a double album as a debut.
really good forgotten album of that era.

such a sick lineup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iztp036z54

heavy d! man, you want to talk about underrated, i loved his 90s post-boyz material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYNcCcus0lQ

this was a big mixtape favorite in high school.

about 6 months ago i spent a couple weeks listening to only heavy d. really underrated in general

agreed.

At the time I thought everyone started wearing white sox gear cause they were gang colors. Thinking about it now, that doesn't make sense. Google says it was cause the color scheme ISN'T gang colors.

i had a few numbskull friends that backed out part of the logo so it looked like it said "sex."

*blacked out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ-_sQ262Dg

solid jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXOnvhCw-A

an absolute masterpiece on an otherwise disappointing album.

witchdoctor — "holiday"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhDZWu_MRf0
if anyone ever asked me why organized noize is one of the most innovative bands of all time, i reckon this beat should be a sufficient enough reason.

I love that whole album

yeah, the whole thing was solid, but the beat on "holiday" so amazing. i had the 12" and used that instrumental on so many mixtapes for blends.

I've been listening to a lot of early hip-hop. (Is the Smithsonian Anthology of Hip-Hop and Rap still coming out this year?) Anyway, I programmed a brief historical survey - 30 songs from 1979 to 1992 - and I put it in strict chronological order. Within that context, I found a greater appreciation for Run-DMC. It's amazing how many a-holes I run into who are down on Run-DMC, like "why was this so great?" Never believed in that line of thought, but place within their context, it sinks in how radical they may have sounded to many listeners. The production, the beats, the overall sound of "It's Like That" (the original 12" single) is especially stark and minimalist compared to the songs that came before it - those Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa singles were lean in their own ways too, but all the basic musical elements are stripped down even further. Even less movement in melody and even less notes in general. Even compared to earlier Run-DMC recordings like "Here We Go" and "Together Forever" (both live performances), there's a pronounced change in "It's Like That." The single more or less became the blueprint of their debut LP, which came about 6 or 7 months later (it's on there too, albeit in a shorter version), and it's amazing that it became the first hip-hop album to be certified gold - intuitively, I think of bigger selling records (records that are more accessible and more "pop") as being more tuneful and more lush, and yet a lot of the music on that album went in the opposite direction. ("Rock Box" is an exception on that album, and that's basically a blueprint for their next big development.)

This is a bit later than the stuff you're talking about, but I got way into Raising Hell earlier this year. Absolutely holds up IMO.

Yeah, "Raising Hell" is a great album. Their first four LP's (self-titled, King of Rock, Raising Hell, Tougher than Leather) are all really good-to-great. I love hearing them back-to-back because there is a continuous growth from one to the next that I really enjoy hearing in the way it unfolds. (It's frustrating that none of their compilations are in chronological order, because in their case it's not really a perfunctory way of sequencing their music - it actually works in their favor to hear their singles that way.)

anyone who disputes the classic status of run-dmc in the 80s is on the wrong side of history.

me, i'm still on an organized noize kick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYUDZl21-g
this original extended version of "player's ball" is unbelievably good. always been my favorite version and it still somewhat frustrates me that most people still only know it in the unsatisfying reprise on their first album.

No one ever disputes the first four Ramones records

Ive been enjoying the album Doomsday by Agallah

so there's a really old black eyed peas b-side called "le rox" that i've been looking for. it pre-dates even their first album. discogs seems to think it's a remix for fallin up but it's 100% not. i used to have that 12" single, but it's been lost to several moves over the years. i liked bep a lot when they first came out for those first two albums and i'm not even joking when i say that's probably their best song. i can't find it anywhere online.

i lieu of that, here's the 12" remix for "karma", which is probably the second best song they ever did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPlB9ADkc40

It's on YouTube xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A5RmYPNAPk

I'm absolutely loving Nate P's new book on the history of hip-hop/sampling except that every other sentence I want to put it down and listen to a track he references.

Like, I love old rap and Bill Laswell, and this is one of the most sampled song of all time, yet I'm somehow not sure I've ever heard it before!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqauvQkC6VQ

Scanning over the bazillion songs I have on file, it shows up on literally one comp I have! Allmusic shows it on only two random comps, at least one of which may be out of print. How is that even possible?

There was a really good DJ Tools primer in The Wire a month or so back and they discuss the F5F LP (which I too had never heard of)

jfc why doesn't it show up when i search for it on youtube??!?! i'm not exaggerating when i say that i've checked youtube periodically searching "black eyed peas le rox" for the last six months and it's never once showed up.

me and andy made another one of our super long spotify playlists with a focus on 90s and early 2000s hiphop. andy has a way of finding a specific vibe in beats that unifies the weirdest stuff sometimes, but there's lots of deep cuts and plenty of that soulful jazzy head nodding vibe. check it out: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/34k3fXtlyerybcdRiJTqQR?si=HTu3a-7BT6G-DmXiFpfd1w

https://youtu.be/rBLuvEwIF5E

yukmouth - do my thang ft kurupt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwxWb2-4Onw

so it's recently come to my attention that there was an entire album of mid-90s camp lo demos released some years back and holy hell i'm in heaven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHZxHPH5zJA

the mc blowfish verse from this in my head all day; why do I still remember every word of this 30 years later?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru7RVQs3P6o

but it also keeps morphing into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhdOOBbFo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6y1xAO9-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2BR0pHmizw

Be Easy was my ringtone for several years and the last one I had prior to Uppers.gif

wow, i sort of love super wolf and i've never heard it before right now.

(looks up info)

produced by denise lasalle. what a find!

as for me, xpost to the scritti politti thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kwjosqoNDs

(scritti featuring lee majors + mos def — "tinseltown to boogiedown (ali shaheed remix)"

not "old" but there's no thread for "random 2019 rap you are loving"

shy glizzy - volcano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2VGlcb8Pf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPqh57zxEpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2BR0pHmizw

Made this for a friend

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1vK7oYXE9RxcxbZ8rQYjg2?si=Dlr_BrhgRySb0xQGaZ3YUg&utm_source=copy-link

Mama said knock you out. Marley Marl was so funky on this. Often weirdly understated too. Milky cereal is also a lot of fun.

OMG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnefJySR1nI

(da 5 footaz — "short times" featuring roger troutman)

okay, this album is legitimately great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHrWqgTPTA

(da 5 footaz — "5 foot city" featuring warren g and a terrific riff on an old prince b-side i mean holy shit this beat)

and now the next track is produced by and featuring erik sermon. WHY WAS THE ALBUM SHELVED I AM ANGRY

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMSvdYZJ8o;>ice mike</a> layin'it on the stick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccF90kVl78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2avNR80F4gw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOmmLjvC8B8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmw

o.g. piggo

the rootin' tootin' roots

i have a pigmeat movie poster card framed in my kitchen for https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0135460/

reposting this from the ODB thread because holy shit this is a major ODB find IMO

WOW

so this is a track called "Drug Free" off the Deadly Venoms album (a Wu affiliated all-woman group - all vets N-Tyce, J-Boo, Champ MC, and Finesse) which was never formally released but I guess CD promos escaped.

anyway, this is up there with the all-time unhinged ODB performances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_Plk87qwI

wow! on US spotify too.

N Tyce "Hush Hush Tip" is one of my fav songs w/ Method Man on the hook i remember hearing on the radio as a kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV7aOnX7XeE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ae31yMfSc

`meaningless composition lacking purpose.`

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOpB_EKY_4

treblefree featuring plee — "irony" (2008)

shoutout to schematix \m/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o

hehe that hits the spot

I'd never seen this video before. Really incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z5aFdvE2jc

what a find!

Whoa cool, ty for sharing D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb3TgyF1Zbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76FaSHrH7XI

MOOD - Info for the Streets

wow i love divine sounds and mood! those are both personal classics.

also granny that reminded me of one of the best j dilla beats: his remix for mood's "secrets of the sand" from 1999.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aec2SYEXT68

that was pre-"j dilla" moniker, so it was credited to jay dee at the time and has since gotten a little forgotten, unfortunately.

"gotten forgotten" jfc what am i doing with my life

I've heard a lot of Dilla remixes but hadn't heard that before!

And lo and behold it's on streaming services

nas feat. maxwell — "no one else in the room" (2004)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htISO_yapc4

i like to dis nas for being inconsistent after illmatic, but the truth is that all of his albums have a couple solid jams. i am still legitimately salty that, to this day, this is the only hiphop collaboration maxwell has done. at least it's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBaiRExhdK4

DJ Spinna - More Colors

I posted another Spinna track upthread. Only way I can listen to this album now is on YouTube. There's some other strong tracks on it. Thought the concept on this one was very well executed.

oooh, i love dj spinna!! that's a really good jam.

it might be approaching heresy, but i've always thought his remix for de la soul's "stakes is high" is just as good as the original with the jay dee beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUIl92zgRqA

Hadn't heard that before! Yeah that's nice

I’m a big fan of that spinna track. I think it’s actually a remix of the original. I probably posted about it somewhere on ilx when it came out like 11 years ago or something

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is but I can't find the original anywhere

Speaking of Dilla and of stuff that's as good as or better than the better known version, I've been loving this and thinking it's the best Fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZCE8epbfXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYVcaQ1Bzu8

man alive, that was the original sv white label. first time i heard them proper. four songs and i just played them again. and again. and again. and again.

i had this original (and superior imo) version of "forth + back" on a mixtape around the same time and those five songs had me convinced that they were the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQxLCp-Rsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXA-MIR6bk

Lol well that sure was a wild ride

Kane and Abel - Time After Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_GCwqNDV4

Da Grassroots - Passage Through Time album. Underground classic, unavailable streaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWS2mrM8oe0

definitely a classic of the period. i don't know why they never made any other records. seems like most people who were in the know (rightfully) thought it was a damn good record. i love "black dove." wish i had held onto my copy.

I have the cd somewhere, ie wherever my sister stored my collection

cheapest cd on discogs right now is $100. (facepalm) i mean it's not that good.

Lol. That's crazy.

ive never heard of this record or group or any of the rappers. sounds good to me right now tho.

I think the only mc on it who had any sort of recognition was k-os. If I'm remembering the bit of press I heard about the album at the time, it was a supergroup of Toronto-based producers.

yeah k-os i recognized now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpOYPH1dgaU

cru — "loungin wit my cru" (1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknNci3T4xw

i think it was a little too soon for new jack swing nostalgia to have kicked in when this album came out in `97, but this has officially become a favorite jam.

those slow phased drums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGY5EzA-h4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkUO_tODZ0o

2pac — "me against the world (soul power remix)" (1995)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLVQT0BaKWk

love this bob james sample version. always been my favorite.

I have that Cru album on vinyl that's a gem

yeah, that's a solid one for any collection i'd say. the main dude in the group (yogi) was one of p diddy's "hitmen" production team and probably had some significant input into some of badboy's 95-97 hits. enough to get his whole crew signed to a rival label. wonder how that went down.

j dilla with common and d'angelo — "so far to go"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw64fXeWe_8

seems like this is kind of forgotten by now because it was an "old" beat by the time it came out and they sort of re-did it again on common's next album. but it still holds up for me. common was one of the only people who could get away with such raps and this was his last hurrah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPUQvSk44Rc

it's being used in the vaccination ad campaign here in NYC - i'm actually glad to hear it play all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkX29avJ838

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

Godfather Don - Status

Amazing how I can still stumble across new-to-me 90s rappers. Judging from the view count on this video, he's not exactly unknown!

granny did you ever hear any of those eddie ill + d.l. mixtapes from the late 90s / early 2000s? all sorts of indie rap obscurities. here's some info on discogs: eddie ill, d.l.

i've found some on youtube, but they come and go on there. not everything on them is great, but sometimes they would throw in unreleased stuff or freestyles and to this day those tapes are the only place i remember hearing some of those things.

No I have not. Thanks I'll check em out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJuU5KekXOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzkM43TEek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVqCqSvZvfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4PJZWatdX0

That Godfather Don track is dope as is the funky alcoholic track.
here's clearer audio of the latter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdRYMyJb6ew

funky alcoholic has been on repeat for days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0eglmgSUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_QSvLWFE4

Also liked when Kane used that Pleasure sample the year before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STRRnW-hdAM

it’s supposed to bubble is so classic

maybe skirting the threshold of random or old but whatever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ4eJBCFBj0

Grand Daddy I.U., least famous of the Juice Crew, ghostwriter for Biz and Shante, this sunny day loop makes me smile every time, great rhymer too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Z1RqwvK8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaxyUrA8unQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-p_2NRiMfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfVCh55dI-Q

Rick Ross & Meek Moll (produced by Alchemist) - "Perfectionist"

I'm randomly loving the tag team attack with the beat switch-up for each hand off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QzZQCs7VE

Nice. 7.4 million views?!?

Both sides of that 12" was on every mixtape during the golden era

Was also on the Haze/Premo comp New York Reality Check 101 official release

big jaz / jaz-o — "waitin'" (1996)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKRJ44DFSj8

the song that hipped me to loose ends.

Nico Suave - vergesslich (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPh7wtMJ6bc

DJ Kay Slay (hopefully recovering) with 3-6 Mafia, Frayser Boy, Lil Wyte: Who Gives a Fuck Where You From
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRS8gcGNa8

can't find this absolute classic on spotify. what the hell man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IUE3ivHAB0

(blackstar w/ black thought — "respiration (flying high remix)" produced by pete rock (1998)

ras kass - "understandable smooth" (1998)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNSNiN3iMAU

mixtape classic.

ras kass — "soul on ice (diamond remix)" (1996)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkVgC_9705c

acknowledged classic. everything about this is holy shit.

i loved "miami life" so much, classic definitely

loving this old bay area underground classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY5CRYDiqQQ

Yee

can't find this absolute classic on spotify. what the hell man.

This tune, gadzooks. So slept on.

Top verse? Fierce competition but I’m calling it for Black Thought. It’s just incendiary, in the best possible way.

Random old rap you are loving finding around the house on ancient cassettes: New Orleans "brass-hop" band Coolbone. Corny, but I liked this back in the day. Posting mostly to see if anyone can identify the flute/strings sample at :39 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4v4ec1_9ws

dj muggs with goodie mob — "decisions decisions" (1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruCNMf8FGDs

when that "nothin but that GOODDAAAYYYYY" hits. unreal.

bush babees f/mos def — "the love song" (1996) produced by posdnuous from de la soul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SgUWz6jCrY

mixtape classic and definitely one that deserves a retro-revival. man. just such a classic jam.

live performance by Snoop and Pac from 96, with a looooong diatribe from Pac dissing Biggie for what seems like ten minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PBESwpH8I

Snoop doin this classsiiiic in 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-I2W9VrMsM

The Roots with D'Angelo and Erykah Badu — "The `Notic" (1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behqXr-bdNU

Not on Spotify, for crying out loud.

Cee Knowledge a/k/a Doodlebug featuring the Arkestra — "Space is the Place" (2002)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25cvqasYlQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj4H3Ioxs6s

Skee-Lo — I thought he was good! Very much a cornball, but he was unique. I really liked "Top of the Stairs"; another great riff on Patrice Rushen's "Remind Me" (one of those samples that I don't mind hearing in multiple uses).

Scarface — "Mary Jane" (1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz42nWqBKwQ

This beat is heavenly. Always assumed it was a sample, but I can't find the source if so. Who Sampled doesn't have any info on that front, but apparently it was recycled a few times throughout the 2000s. Amazing stuff.

This may be the most unexpected person to produce a pretty good hip hop track I've ever come across. Sounds like Rae & Christian.
BT - Love on Haight Street featuring Rasco and Fifty Grand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3jI6mqs3U

Muro — "Q From A" (1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9HNrOcGbpA

Dreaming of the usual: A RAP BEAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2T-fWvfjtY

Charizma + Peanut Butter Wolf - "Methods" (1994)

wonderful

Yomo + Maulkie — "For the Love of Money" (1991)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrJwudod7M

I met a girl, her name was Cathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mX1xTbXTiQ

On an Eddie F marathon and the things one forgets . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_2B5nUxjFI

Eddie F and the Untouchables featuring Heavy D, 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G., Grand Puba, and Spunk Bigga — "Let's Get it On" (1994)

all star cast

been listening to this album again, realising it just about 20years old, where does the time go, eh. An unsung classic out of the vibrant rap/poetry/spoken word world of L.A. in the late nineties/early 2000's. Flow, check, beats, check, passion and heart and no love for the game, check.

Aceyalone - Love and Hate

would be go to add a link, right

Aceyalone - Love and Hate

https://open.spotify.com/album/6C9W3CPcxIKnimjHlF29mH?si=qjZulB70SJu8CasUI61jWw&utm_source=copy-link

About a year ago a local radio station changed format and is now basically Gen-X / older Millenial era hip-hop/soul/funk/r&b. Nothing they play is really obscure in any way but in the past month I've heard "Posse on Broadway", "The Choice Is Yours", "I Wish", "Fantastic Voyage", "Tennessee", "Return of the Mack", "Atomic Dogg", "Country Grammar", "The Way You Move", etc.

Now twice in the last week I've heard this and I can't tell you how excited I am to have it come on while driving my kid to the ortodontist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC9cgvtkRs

Also the station confirms for me that my hating of all the Mase / Puffy shit from the late 90s is still justified and that the piano in 'Still DRE' is the most annoying thing ever.

certified classic. really love the remix with all the other bay area folks, including shock g and humpty hump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiZ3XtGtmQs

one of the mainstream/current rap stations i sometimes listen to plays that song as one of their occasional throwbacks somewhat regularly

maybe i'm just showing my hiphop junkieness, but it's a song that never really went away ime. heck i used to dj an "underground hiphop" night in the late 90s/early 2000s and we'd throw it on when the place was packed. always a crowd pleaser.

I’m from the bay, that song is evergreen

ha ha over the weekend there was a twitter thread where someone asked "What's a legendary hip hop song with no legendary rappers on it," and a bunch of people answered "I Got Five On It"

without looking it up, can you name the members of the luniz?

i can.🙂

(but ya, otm)

Lou Luniz
Sue Luniz
Hugh Luniz
Drew Luniz

Yukmouth, that's all I know

correct!

(his partner in rhyme was knumskull.)

pk clearly not a playa hata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeIggJ-_HXo

I always liked this yukmouth album cover:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Yukmouth-godzilla.jpg

the title track from that album is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wlCsUYuWs
got a few others on it too. i owned the double album thugged out, was pretty good but needed to be trimmed.

really loved their second album, especially the anti-beef feature with too $hort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmBAyIBzGJ4

"funkin over nothin" featuring harm + too $hort (1997)

yah that album was a mixed bag but had some good stuff. the quik song obv.

Lou Luniz
Sue Luniz
Hugh Luniz
Drew Luniz

― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:55 PM

also irl lol

u forgot quentin "q" luniz tho

spottie otm. dj quik + saadiq + mid-90s = jam

this prompted me to relisten to lunitik muzik for the first time in well over two decades. just as solid as i remember. it got 3.5 mics from the source and i recall thinking "yeah, they got it right on this one." it's completely misogynist and gratuitous, but holy hot damn this beat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmvS8x6UkZM

luniz featuring 2 live crew — "20 blunts a day" (1997)

ps the redman feature also a big highlight.

the 2 live crew song is so good, but they really were just trying anything at that time. fumbled the bag... as they say.

the debut has some great stuff on it. 5150 (w/ shock g) and put the lead on ya (w/ dru down) are classic deep cuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDcQpiig51w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uN7F6Mmhd8

oh hell yeah, the first album i always considered a regional classic. i was a teenager in reno and it was just as popular as stuff like bone thugs and 2pac.

some delicious faux warren g funk for your thursday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNqts0--vE

mr mike — "where ya love at" (1996)

oh hell yea that is a jam!

jammin all the old suave house this morning. forgot about the female group they had! never released an album. sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNC69kb9LYA

nola — "life is crying" (1996)

alltimer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plhfkf2jhsk

tela — "piece of mind" (1996)

nice yeah I love this remix of “tired of ballin” that was a bonus track on the reissue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SsrmhCarQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcbQaHfU_pA

i'd like to hear how anyone discovers these things, if it's memories being activated or something coming up on the algorithm... i recall owning a physical copy of piece of mind, which i probably picked up in a thrift store because i bought anything with a cover like that. i would not have ever thought about it again had i not seen it here. the other day, i found a picture of my bedroom that i had uploaded to photobucket in around 2005 that showed a row of cds. i couldn't pick most of them out from their spines.

before about a month ago, i had never heard the cam'ron and mariah original or seen the joseph kahn video taking the "doesn't really matter" near future japan thing to its limits. i'm sure it was somewhere at the bottom of a youtube mariah carey playlist, beside the bone thugs mariah song. and then came the remix with freeway, jim jones, and juelz. i wonder if it does anything for someone that can't plug it into memories of 2003.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcCBH6oYmE

wow, tasty boom bap!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMPPnrokOQ

very classic.

i really love that album. pure bap

what a wonderful way to start the day

"sometimes i don't speak."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJdhZXGBfvY

asheru+blue black (unspoken heard) - "jamboree" (1999)

asheru so underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDTzB48fMA

j-live feat asheru + probe dms - "kick it to the beat" prod by pete rock (???? dunno year, def late 90s tho)

"it's your culture, so be very very clear:
yours is the voice that they don't wanna hear."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fALtsJIg5Nw

asheru+blue black - "setting sun" (2002ish?)

actual lost classic. it was on so many of my mixtapes. love love love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fALtsJIg5Nw

asheru+blue black - "smiley (the woh woh song)" (2001)

blast. here's the song i was actually talkin bout there, sry-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBd8afws8tg

mobb deep - what can i do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYssmuNpWFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXrsuQ1-Bsw

Da Youngstas - Pass da Mic

monday nights are for keepin it real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHp6zUYHFmg

3x krazy — "keep it on the real" (1997)

nineteen ninety two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdZH_0cQEuc

tlc — "ain't 2 proud 2 beg (rap version)"

also guys remember that time outkast featured on a tlc track and left eye embarrassed both of them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBr3MgHn7Y

yeah, that was p cool

(tlc feat outkast — "what about your friends (extended mix)" [1992])

is it still cool to hate on this? was it ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIRn3zBFAg

i don't think so either way.

(left eye — "the block party" [2001])

i honestly had no idea she had ever put out a solo record until like a year ago. apparently the album didn't even come out in the us??

it did not. unfortunately, it's pretty inconsistent.

here she is in 1989 (according to the description)—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ig9ekXZiY

when i think of most influential rappers/musicians/pop stars/"FAMOUS PERSON"s of my lifetime, she's easily in that conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x361Lwf4x4E

Method Man - Say

funking love this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjsUyeR6t4E
diamond d. feat. big L - day one

very classic. also a very classic sample source. alltimers all around.

presenting this evening's feature: lyfe'n'tyme by the b.u.m.s

how was your 1995? mine was great. i saw the show. coolio was king of the summer, thanks to "gangsta's paradise." there was trouble brewin, but we didn't care because the beat was flames. however, my favorite album of the year was easily lyfe'n'tyme by the b.u.m.s, repping east oakland.

the brothas unda madness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC2mVQaI-uM

(the lead single, "elevation (free my mind)" with a sonorously souped up teddy pendergrass loop)

d-wyze and e-vocalist weren't the most impressive emcees, but much like the group home album, they got by on charisma and crack production (but okay, let's be honest - they were definitely better than malachi and lil dap on the mic). they had a decidedly nyc-centric sound at times; probably explains why i was such a big fan. the beats were handled mostly by sway+tech affiliate joe quixxx and remind me a lot of common's resurrection or maybe even gang starr's hard to earn - just that perfect jazzy boombap. jeep beats, i guess, is what they used to call it. kind of a conscious vibe at times, on tunes like "take a look around" or "flex uv a finga" it felt like a real earnest vibe; they genuinely wanted better. they were definitely righteous, too. just check out the spoken word closer "who gives you the right" which opens with the accusatory inquiry: "are you afraid of what can't be bought?" right on.

the album highlight -and one of my favorite songs of the 90s- applies feel good smoked out g-funk vibes to a blackbyrds sample and gives you smokey as the whipped cream. "let the music take your mind" is just pure perfection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TIprVmgwU

the album flopped. priority spent a lot of money on it, too. they shot two videos, did a ton of remixes, and even got bay area legend saafir for an incredible b-side appearance. they disappeared. a year later, forgotten and never to be heard from again. i like to think they weren't just talking shit; they took whatever money they could from the label and straight up dipped. whatever the case, the one album they released will forever be a personal classic.

epilogue: ya'll remember mystic? her first appearance is on this album.

my bad, here's "let the music take your mind"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WFiRYBHfA

WOO WOO WH-WHOOOOO

fuck your bad crew

fantastic, what's not to love abt this random old rap

Looks like D-Wyze is a barber now, but released a video this year. Nice beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pedq3uBeF_Y

O_O

okay random new rap you are loving

(omfg ty for posting)

one of the most ridiculous songs of all time. love love love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0gwmPjZL6g

jayo felony f method man + dmx - "whatcha gonna do" (1998)

love that one. love this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5R_YRi5yGE

No memory of The B.U.M.S but no idea how they slipped through the cracks. Guess they were never on Rap City, which along with late night radio was my source for new rap back then. I wonder if they're dissing Souls of Mischief on that first one you posted, Austin?

rap city is where i first saw the video for "elevation" - tho only a few times. they big up SoM in "let the music take your mind" so i don't think it was meant as a dis.

was not familiar with Jayo Felony but ovb loving it

Redman's verse on "whatcha gonna do" is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKpy6UPVAc
Black Rob - Make It Hot

random old Biggie flow I am loving

RIP, seems he had a hard life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P831fGL4HjU

Oh No - Beware [feat. Cali Agents]

i've had kool moe dee's knowledge is king album playing a lot and that still slaps

apani b + friends - "estragen" (1998)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDc-QaS3XCw

https://www.discogs.com/release/719922-Apani-B-Fly-Emcee-Estragen-Soul-Control

planet asia - "handlin business" (1998)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRuBuqjW0s

sick beat.🔥

another lowkey west coast heavy hitter from 95. this time proper g-funk—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCtWq5jl0ws

twinz featuring warren g and bo roc — "journey wit me"

warren g was so good in those days on the beats. it's basically like g funk smooth jazz vamps. very wah'd out aquatic sound. he was certainly doing more consistently better stuff than dr dre at the time. he had a hand in several albums and they're all very solid. some questionable sample choices at times, but i really do feel like he's been underrated in hindsight. he never really did "HARD" beats, so i can see why some people were not into it. maybe he should've been working with r+b acts the whole time? anyway, the whole twinz album is great and i don't think it's a coincidence that the best tracks are the mellower ones with r+b hooks. it's been a personal classic to me since it first came out. in the bigger picture, it's probably a solid 3.5 mics.

here's one of the singles and a tie-in, because i know how much ilxors like "free" by deniece williams. you'll either love or hate this one—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_45vTXgMes

"eastside lb"

hehe who doesn't love "free"?

nice songs Austin, thx for sharing

rest in peace random old rapper grandaddy i.u., hempstead's finest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsR7A6ZRv54

og juice crew, too — rip! good jam.

here's one that's been on repeat lately. more twinz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHZhPTTZdk4

da 5 footaz featuring the twinz — "players play" (not sure — probably ~98). very sick beat.

(andy: "this might be andy's favorite song right now."<—which means it 100% is)

great stuff indeed, Warren G funk

"life is a circus, so i be clownin with no purpose"

5 footaz lowkey some of the best of the 90s. shame that album never got released. but i do go on.

always were there, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW79tyiNktE

warren g featuring jah-skillz — "super soul sis" (1994)

i'm at a point in life where i have nothing to prove to anyone; so anyway i used to rap this in the mirror to myself. i can't even begin to describe just how classic this is. it's almost as if it's part of the example upon which my idea of "classic" was built. i guess that's how i got the motherfucken super on my chest?

you've got a hold of something good Austin, thx for sharing

thinking of compiling a jah-skillz playlist.

should her and snoop dogg have done a collaboration? probably, ya.

shame it was queen pen on "no diggity" instead of her. she certainly had the connections.

"why oh why oh whyyy but WHY NOT - shouldn't i represent this shit called hiphop?!"

https://centralsauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/warreng_jahskillz.jpg

dunno when that pic is from, but what a fucking badass.

random thoughts about random old rap you are loving.

and i may have posted this one before, but here it is again in context. probably one of the most listened to songs of my life-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLg0dLlb8c

warren g feat the twinz, jah-skillz + neb love - "we brings heat" (1997)

"heavyweight champs known for blowin out your amps"

i'm not even gonna post it but there's also that classic freestyle track on the first warren g album where she completely embarasses warren. he has to go after her, that's all i'm gonna say.

okay, last one but the way she trades lines with trip locc is just jesus christ the fucking swagger of this woman-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMDqQrlL1s

neb love also dope as fuck on the opening verse.

there's also this track from 2020 featuring a rebooted 5 footaz. it's alright-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl1ZyIpFXHY

"life goes on"

sry that first video on the last post is the twinz feat neb love + jah-skillz - "hollywood" (1995)

some rare warren g production-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY44rNacKYI

kam - "keep tha peace" (1995)

couple years later and ice cube inspired kam to stop keeping the peace lol-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjUKPIYbmyQ

dj pooh feat kam - "whoop! whoop!" (1997)

"shoulda beat yo ass in chicago, don't need security wherever i go."

sidebar: kinda wondering how this "whoop whoop" factors into the juggalo timeline.

also between that and "the bitch in yoo", ice cube was getting completely eviscerated in the mid-90s. i guess friday was entertaining enough that i didn't really notice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBVqGYPe1Qs

common - "the bitch in yoo" (1996)

"from gangsta to islam to the dick of das efx"

lol, the cover of that "classics" album

love this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQtKJbptcns

Been playing this a lot lately for some reason

no reason needed, classic

otm

I made this playlist two years ago for a friend who wanted to explain her rap palette. I've been spinning this a lot lately as it's a microcosm of what I like about hip-hop.

Some obvious, lots of album cuts, and somewhat missing the Golden Age of hip-hop (not intentionally, I think I just figured I'd get to it later)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1vK7oYXE9RxcxbZ8rQYjg2?si=gLiHn7puRAyvY7wYnN-jRg

xp mos def famously a big fan of that wonderful song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBIvIDnnv8

Mos Def OTM, hilarious song

rip raheem "tame one" brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkoJwm0qhA

brick city kids (a/k/a artifacts) - "what what" (1997)

(he passed back in november, just now heard the news)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P90NkYgruI

"art of facts" (1997)

and of course-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d2X0WXcQZI

"wrong side of da tracks" (1994)

one more. you know i had to post the david axelrod beat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljjv7gNI_6k

artifacts feat busta rhymes - "c'mon with the get down (buckwild remix)"

weird coincidence, had been listening to brick city kids the past two weeks, but their other track, the self-titled one that starts the first soundbombing “mixtape”, was thinking of posting it but everyone’s heard it million times …

there’s a funny line in it though, something like “high tech like inter-net web sites / downloading mega bytes every time i touch the mic”

didn’t realize he’d passed, must be why a bunch of expensive copies of the single (the one with “brick city kids” and “what what”) suddenly materialized on discogs (which is why i had been listening to that track, actually)

Been listening to Snoop's overlooked 2017 album Neva Left, uneven of course but some cool old school west coast vibes on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y99h3Dlt0A

i skipped it at the time, so checking it out now. the list of features is promising.

ahhh man, this is damn solid. really appreciate all the nods to east coast hiphop, but definitely feels like a quintessential l.a. album. older i get, the more i like snoop.

also how did snoop and too short never get around to doing a collab record!? at least an ep or something.

neva left was solid for sure

bush is still my fav latter day snoop album, but neva left was very solid

Never checked out Bush will do

I love that s l o w e d down sample of Billy Joel's 'Rosalinda's Eyes'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMH_05ez1Y4

tenashus reppin sacramento and the verbatum crew-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc4IXeyNKOA

"aeonian" (early 2000s)

that choclair beat rules

brings a smile, brings a tear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwAcM8BiBck
Lil Fame x Sade By Your Side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5dTsdQJxM
abstract tribe unique - through these streets

a group i slept on completely. heard ab rude guesting on some of the living legends stuff but yeah, my bad.

was just listening to another Ab Rude project: Haiku D'Etat. He's always an enjoyable listen

that whole scene (ab tribe unique, freestyle fellowship, etc) is so underrated. i was there at the time and chose to sleep on all of them. these days everything i hear sounds great. big sigh. have wondered on and off over the past few years just how familiar the top dawg crew is with that stuff. seems like a big progenitor of the whole "black hippie" thing kendrick was doing for a while.

quarterbackin is one of e40s best, and the quik remix is really fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUVJvNGcTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ED2DNja90

Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Appreciate

^^satisfying as hell

there's no dogg pound topic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bajNCewcAXE

tha dogg pound feat tray dee — "reality" (1995)

thought about polling this album but since snoop got the rights to death row, none of it's on streaming!

Let's Play House is a fav

And "Dogg Pound Gangstaz"

about 90% of the album is still damn good. "respect", "smooth", and "so much style" were always my favorites.

this beat is so dreamy.

pete rock+large professor — "the rap wrld" (1996)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQs_HJ7szXQ

in retrospect large professor was pretty trash on the mic.

*"the rap world"

also yeah, that's a grap luva cameo.

aaw I like those verses

good vibes

he didn't want to ill
he just wanted to chill
and keep his hand around a hundred dollar bill

(+do some of best production of the era, whatever)

(speaking of...)

LONGPOSTING

this post was inspired by voodoo chili's shout for "in these streets." thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq95c8x0jOE

the grouch — "over/evaluation" (1998)

growing up the way i did where i did, i figured most music fans of similar preference had a similar path. all across the world, we all knew about the same records and you chose what you chose and all paths would have a similar outline or arc. the theme of that —"everyone will always understand the context of everything i do, physically and emotionally, because their experience exactly and explicitly mirrors my own"— was my basic upbringing. but on my own, i applied it to music fandom with specific value because, well hi i'm posting here.

it's a fundamental flaw in the way i was raised and i've spent my entire life sorting it out. besides the obvious mental health issues it raises, it manifests in the weirdest, most idiosyncratic ways sometimes. in regards to music, it caused me to hear things and understand them as "this is objectively good and emotive music for _______ reasons" and when i encountered people who simply didn't like it and maybe casually passed it off as "yeah whatever" or "not my thing" i took them as actually making vicious insults because they were feeling the same emotive things i felt, but chose to exclude me. almost like damn, "devs made these npcs pricks. this game is gonna be hard af." the implication also being that i was breaching "unauthorized" territory by mentioning things such as "i like independent hiphop."

but i digress. (this will not be the first time you hear this. i apologize.)

that recent pitchfork 90s list made me think about all this stuff for the first time in several years. i was so dysfunctional back then with regards to how i thought about everything around music and i can't help but think my "i like independent hiphop" phase was the genesis of all that. it bred insularity. in one of my favorite songs of the 90s, it's the grouch's entire fucking thesis. and he usually had two or three tracks like this on all of his albums. and those albums were usually 60+ minute affairs, originally released on cassette only, once a year. like his crew living legends you could find the them pretty easily in larger city record shops all up and down the west coast, as long as they did consignment or dealt with one-stop distributors. this track is the closer on his fourth album, fuck the dumb (did i mention anything about insularity in the scene?).

even though outhouse did eventually do vinyl and cds, it was music that was best served by cassette. my car, like most back then, had a cassette player and an am/fm radio and i mean fuck the radio. so the lopey mpc/asr beats and small budget aesthetic were the soundtrack to about 75% of my late high school and early college drive time. i always liked certain songs in that context a lot, but whenever i'd try to put them into a mixtape or (cringe) dj set at the club, instant vibe kill. another thing i internalized and figured i was just wrong about.

but ever since that list, i've had this running thought in my head: i was like the perfect age range for "the 90s pop experience™©" and i had a completely stupid path lol. how did i fuck that up so badly?! for a further video game-esque analogy: i feel like i got so far into an obscure sidequest that i forgot how to get back into the main area for a little while. but goddammit, i figured that sidequest the fuck out. seriously, how did i skip nirvana completely at the time (and even now, i don't like that music) but end up unconditionally loving stuff that they were a clear influence on. something something sound of the era, "music of their youth resonates with dementia patients", etc.

but i digress.

my black and white attitude about music at the time lead me to believe that some things, simply for aesthetic reasons, and even those that i had previously liked, were all bad. "over/evaluation" has many strikes against it. everyone in living legends pretty much did their own beats and wrote their own raps and yeah: it was DIY. the grouch was always my favorite. he had the best beats. like a lot of 90s producer/mcs, his raps were not the most impressive. he was also my favorite in legends because he seemed the most personable. ultimately considering when and where these guys were doing their thing, it all ended up a little self-indulgent. i mean, it's a good "perseverance!" vibe he's conveying in the song, but like any 90s rapper worth anything, he has to mention his genitals within the first verse. and that's probably the most interesting thing he talks about in the entire song. sigh.

so it went for most living legends stuff. they had some larger distribution for a while in the early 2000s and murs (who pretty much made his own name by doing outside collabs) was affiliated with them, so that raised their notoriety for a bit. i tried to revisit whole albums recently and it's mostly pretty boring music. the catalogues are kind of in piecemeal; only one mystik journeymen album is on streaming. they didn't have much to say, were simply proficient at productions, and i get the impression that a lot of them were heavy hallucinogen users or at least 24/7 weed smokers (independent hiphop: difficult mode).

but every once in a while, one of them would capture something quite earnest and remarkable. even this song, with the grouch babbling about his dick and not much else, has a really strong sense to it and i just _like_ the narrator. he's chill. i'm chill. i put it on after a very long drought recently and it was a hair raising moment. this is a really good song —and yeah, the beat is doing a lot of that work— BUT EVEN NOW, go `head and talk about yer dick bro. it's a vibe and i get it! tell me more about doing the dishes lol. idk, it just works here. good summation of indie and self-released music in general: not all great, but worthwhile if you're into it and may occasionally hit on something.

those guys kept going and they're still around. haven't checked them out in the last 20 years. i dunno, i guess i always had the sense back then that i didn't do drugs, i had never been to college, and i didn't know what anything they were talking about was like so i had no business listening to that music in the first place. i thought for sure that there was no way anyone who didn't already like that stuff could take it seriously. it was still an important musical step (+lesson) and i have to think that at least the grouch, much like his east coast counterparts, had impeccably good taste in his samples.

(that's also a donald byrd sample in "over/evaluation" btw)

anyway, thanks for reading if you have. this is probably my "POO" living legends track. i still don't know the main sample, but it has that wonderful time-stretched sp1200 glaze and that's what i'm here for. anyone else ever hear living legends? the folks who introduced them to me were an odd lot; libertarian hiphop types. i also got connected to the sacramento indie hiphop scene of the time through collabs and stuff on legends tapes. there were some weirdoes in that scene.

/LONGPOSTING

epilogue:
i beyond am relieved to find that my old reviews of fuck the dumb and making perfect sense seem to have not survived internet erosion.

i beyond

yep, leave the idiot typos for the short post. sure thing!

good track austin, thanks

you might relate to this booming post by tim f on the 77 tracks thread

People on ILM talk a lot about subjectivity, but usually in a high-handed and (TBH) narrowly-conceived way that doesn't really go far enough. It's not merely that people like different things for different reasons. It's also that every interaction we have with music is shaped by every single experience we have ever had that led us to that interaction, that we could have taken a small number of different steps in our life that might lead us to raise up Wet Leg and cast down Dry Cleaning rather than the reverse, and that would still be us, just a marginally different version of us; the terms in which we engage in the act of doing one or the other are really just a roadmap to our current state of being that no one else can precisely follow.

Realising this should prompt a certain humility in our taste, not just in the face of all the people who might feel differently, but perhaps more importantly in recognition of all the different versions of ourselves that also might have done so. And the act of critiquing music, increasingly for me at least, is less about asking "what is it in this music that allows me to enjoy it" and more about asking "what is it in this version of me, right now, that allows me to enjoy this music?"

definitely love that! thank you.

here's some other mid-90s west coast indie from seattle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDP0eGKi4Y

these dudes were more native tongues inspired and the beats are prrrreeeetttty fuckin dope across the board (thx for the jaco sample). free on bandcamp!

sorry that's the do the math compilation on the tribal music label. 1996.

(fav tracks are the ghetto children ones: "equillibrium" + "who listening" especially)

ctrl+f found no instance of VONTEL. stumbled on this lost g-funk gem from phoenix AZ, album is full of dj battlecat beats and a few troutman features

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAB16lVE04

https://www.passionweiss.com/2015/08/19/vontel-vision-of-a-dream-battlecat-g-funk/

not at all random but I caught the Pharcyde (minus Bootie Brown) yesterday, very joyful, and wow what a jam Runnin' is - those kicks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwHuEDCM7xs

In Dilla Time, Dan Charnas recounts the story of the attempted subterfuge of Dilla’s first major beat placement. As crafted by the young producer, “Runnin’” feels wholly different from anything else from its era, mainly thanks to its unconventional kick drums, which hit in unexpected places and don’t repeat in a discernible pattern. But Fatlip didn’t think they sounded right. So during the session for the song, when the rest of his Pharcyde cohorts were out of the studio, he moved the kicks to fall in predictable places. When group member Tre returned, he was incensed. He and Fatlip came to blows over it. “All this over a beat?” Dilla thought to himself. But when the dust settled, Tre’s viewpoint won out. “We’re not changing it,” he told Dilla. “That’s your signature.”

https://www.theringer.com/2022/2/1/22911750/40-best-j-dilla-beats-common-jay-dee-de-la-soul-tribe-donuts

never heard that vonte before! i love battlecat. listened to the whole album last night.

Yeah! Surprisingly above average MC and solid production. Love the Chaka interpolation on Don't Nobody.

That article above speculated on some "funded by drug money" lore and digging into the label Fo Life's discog it seems not at all shocking. Their only other full length release, "Stressin" by Bookie is chockfull of Battlecat beats, features Kurupt, E-40, Kool G Rap and Vontel himself. And is mastered by...Bernie Grundman!? lol. unfortunately not streaming but can be heard in full here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBTp1T7XgiI

been missing bankroll fresh lately. guy could write a song. rip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5CIhUyJLmw

a long time ago somebody told me one of my beats sounded like nujabes and i never took the cue to check him out. rectifying that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZdl3KqgzU

nujabes feat shing02 - "luv(sic) pt 2" (mid 2000s)

...and yeah, they were absolutely right. sadboi jazz chords+stiff drums is what i wanted to hear, so that's the kind of beats i made. granted, nothing near as stellar as this. shing02 is passable on the mic, but with a beat that dope he could've been rapping ABCs and it would've worked.

elsewhere, nujabes gets tf down-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XJFSTYryv4

nujabes - "world's end rhapsody" (2005)

not really relevant to the main topic here; essentially a re-edit of a northern soul 45. but much too hot of a jam not to post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV11KxIF6hM

Chill Rob G - Rob's World (unreleased)

I'd somehow never heard this epic before. Produced by--and featuring!--Stevie Wonder!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglEOTeBtqM

This article references plenty of random old rap

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/magazine/hip-hop-deaths.html

pretty insensitive way to frame this article, man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsIu8RN7ivU