Looking back, what's the biggest bullshit, musically speaking, that you fell for in the 00s

I probably gotta say Of Montreal's nu-skool stuff.

i didn't fall for of montreal, but i agree with your sentiments.

Sufjan Stevens

lol yeah neither did I

I regret nothing

i still like sufjan stevens, but you've got to be in the right mood (fragile, twee . . . you know).

wooden wand and the vanishing voice

i think i speak for all of ilx when i say 'grime blogs'

thinking freak folk I guess.

blue sabbath black cheer

A whole mess of underground rap stuff in the first couple 00s.

i bought a diplo cd

All the Doseone/subtle stuff, Fiery Furnaces, Gas.

I'll give this to Sufjan, he has a better voice than Michael Stipe...

lots of "freak folk," like lots of music, was not as good as pearls before swine. how i long for the innocent days of the blog hype cycle pre-whiney g. weingarten.

Sufjan, Devendra Banhart, Cocorosie. Totally weird to me now how I was once quite excited by them.

I think the closest I come to this is maybe Lady Sovereign? And that's dubious because I still like her first album; I generally don't get musical remorse.

i stumped for some pretty mediocre art-rap for a while.

like i'll definitely still go to bat for Antipop Consortium and El-P and Aesop Rock and all that, but i def had my share of stanning for some instantly forgettable third-and-fourth tier Def Jux/Big Dada/Ninja Tine/Quannum/Anticon etc bands from 2001-2004

also, i had an Avenged Sevenfold phase for like a year

xposts Freak-folk was actually one of the most exciting little sub-trends for me last decade.

I generally don't get musical remorse

this, and I'll still rep hard for at least one song on every Sufjan Stevens full-length

i would say maybe 15% of the artists on this are still making good albums

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Apples_of_the_Sun_%28album%29

i still love a lot of "freak-folk," i said "w00den w4nd" because of a particular ilxor from a couple years ago

pretty mediocre art-rap
is exactly what I meant too. The remorse part has more to do with my embracing the snobby purism of this scene and ignoring a lot of what was happening overground at the time.

i don't think Devendra has made any listenable music since 2005, but then again i barely payed attention to his 2007 record and his 2009 record passed me by completely

yeah snobbiness in general is my real response to this thread tbh x-post

The Decemberists, specifically Picaresque O_O

xpost Cripple Crow kind of sucked too I think

el-p, the hives, the mooney suzuki

xpost Cripple Crow kind of sucked too I think

― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:39 PM

way too fucken long for sure, it has some solid jams iirc, and "Canela" is a great closer

if someone says Deerhoof I will cry

yeah that of montreal cd was a mistake

dunno what constitutes third-tier Big Dada/Ninja Tune/Quannum but let it be known that i still bump blackalicious, latryx, roots manuva, herbaliser on the regular

good thread idea btw

that i even listed 2 music at all...

deerhoof is great. my appreciation for them has grown throughout the decade. (xp)

I probably overrated "Cripple Crow" at the time, but I still put it on from time to time, and there are a few gems in their amidst the dross. It's not any more inconsistent than "Rejoicing in the Hands" or "Nino Rojo", tbh.

yeah, ditto on "good thread idea."

think i did alright here given my youth for a lot of it, pretty much ignored/despised dubstep, free folk, twee/indie, abortive crossover grime, 'new rock revolution', anticon, secondgen post-punk afterbirth etc etc

probably something like klaxons or mathy hardcore or tigerbeat6 ish idm/breakcore, but i still don't hate them rly even if i seldom (if ever) listen to them

xpost yeah I mentioned them because I feel their status as an exciting band people were talking about a lot really dipped as the decade went on.

Other 00s stuff I sorta overrated: Aphex Twin "drukqs", Apples In Stereo, a lot of Kompakt stuff.

drukqs is still underrated imo

a lot of the nu-metal i listened to from 2000-2004 iirc

I bought two Dizzee Rascal albums, two M.I.A. albums and the first Burial album. All that money could have been better spent on bags of Doritos.

hahahahahahaha

drukqs is intermittently great

((((ksh))))

boy in da corner is very great

i really like the first Burial record

think i did alright here given my youth for a lot of it, pretty much ignored/despised dubstep, free folk, twee/indie, abortive crossover grime, 'new rock revolution', anticon, secondgen post-punk afterbirth etc etc

probably something like klaxons or mathy hardcore or tigerbeat6 ish idm/breakcore, but i still don't hate them rly even if i seldom (if ever) listen to them

glad 2 hear u were such a beacon of light in those dark times u fukken feeb

lamp u fat cocksucker don't get so aggrieved

I can't think of the last time I've put on a Kompakt "Total" series CD.

I can't think of the last time I've put on a Kompakt "Total" series CD.

oddly I never dug most of the stuff mentioned so far (freak folk, early 00s indie rap, sufjan) is this the part where I get to post nelsonmuntz.jpg

the other side to my post (implicitly) is that i probably missed out on loads of good things due to being too circumspect, which is far worse than once liking something which is now sniffed at or w/e

I can't think of the last time I've put on a [...] CD.

lol conversely I have played at least one physical CD every day for the past week

I fell for Sunn O))) for about 30 minutes the one time I saw them, but I'd got over it by the hour mark.

(reminding me I need to pick up something to play my iPhone thru the car stereo actually)

pretty much every artist that is or will be mentioned itt is p. good imo

xpost retro chic

xp so you just like everything huh

Yeah my only current reason for CD listening would be car. Or if I woke up and decided to become a lossless nut conservationist.

pretty much every artist that is or will be mentioned itt is p. good imo

the "sleepingbag loooooooves Ashanti" rumor starts here

Okkervil River

xxxp i love music

the kleptones

xpost yeah I mentioned them (deerhoof) because I feel their status as an exciting band people were talking about a lot really dipped as the decade went on

meh. i think this is more part of the normal career-arc of a band. early releases are "vibrant" and "fresh," mid-career releases are more "settled," "polished" and "restrained."

"Skinny Love"

Dubstep w/ wobbles. aka Skream, Benga etc. Still love the 140bpm techno sounding stuff, but that half-step wobble bullshit makes me want to eat lava.

xp lool back when I was starting high school everyone loved Ashanti AND Aaliyah, Ja Rule AND Jay-Z

Vampire Weekend

xpost nuh-uh, people were interested in (I know, I know) Animal Collective the entire decade who went through a similar trajectory. The place a band is in their career doesn't always square with when people are *very* excited about them. See also: Ariel Pink.

ksh shedding his skin

lool back when I was starting high school everyone loved Ashanti AND Aaliyah, Ja Rule AND Jay-Z

both of those comparisons are the easiest Taking Sides in the history of music; I'm still amazed that people bought Ja Rule/Ashanti records

i think this is more part of the normal career-arc of a band. early releases are "vibrant" and "fresh," mid-career releases are more "settled," "polished" and "restrained."

yeah I think this is apt (and ref to AC also relevant - AC's career arc/indie cred is only going to go down from here, for ex.) I will totally rep for Deerhoof's 00s albums. really unique, inventive band.

ksh shedding his skin

― Davek (davek_00)

http://kingstonfieldnaturalists.org/bluebill/images/butterfly_lifecycle.jpg

Good question! I wouldn't describe all these acts as bullshit per se, but they definitely have not aged well:

And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
Black Mountain
Destroyer's Rubies
Grandaddy
Midlake (aside from Roscoe)

In a related note, I will defend Devendra's Rejoicing In The Hands and Nino Rojo 4EVA!!

poptimists and rap-stans have no regrets, I see

xpost Yeah those two totally sucked, made the point solely because before I came here (honestly) I clumped them together.

xxpost

have to disagree with the presence of RUBIES in that list tbh, i still love that record. was listening to "Looters Follies" the other day

like, everyone still loves Britney and Fiddy amirite

xp

some of us never liked Fiddy in the first place

actually, I like him more now almost solely because he sounds amazing compared to the Young Money roster; shifting contexts have turned him from "muscular Ma$e" into "comparatively clever wordsmith with interesting flow"

looking ahead, i think in ten years time, i'll prefer jay-z's music over beyonce's

if there was only a way i'd know for sure. a poll, maybe . . .

New Pornographers.

xp I wonder if ILM will still exist in 2020.

New Pornographers.

― EZ Snappin

this makes me sad.

sort of.

the average age of things mentioned here probably tends towards earlier in the decade (2003/4ish) rather like the best album polls, love and regret following a similar timeline

a lot of these are artists who established a following and then disappointed them (sigur ros, the streets maybe too)

I'm sorry - I wanted to like them, bought the first tow albums, realized except for parts of a couple of songs - not even one whole song - they did nothing for me. Zippo.

xp

New Pornographers

that's just trolling

first NP is pretty nice, there's some good songwriting on it. Never listen to it anymore. Also never understood why they had such a wide appeal, they really seemed to blow up for no particular reason that I could discern.

catchy tunes iirc

if you haven't heard Twin Cinema, i recommend doing so

btw "just not that into them" /= "bullshit of the 00s"

Electric Version's the one to hear, Shakey Mo, if you haven't

itt h8in urselfs wtf imo

them being the future and savior of indie pop, a supergroup for the cardigan set = bullshit of the 00s

xp i think Sigur Ros and The Streets haven't been mentioned because their respective albums (I imagine you're referring to ageatis and OPM) were so well liked, as opposed to freak-folk which perhaps swayed people on a buzz (or evan a novelty) factor. OPM and Agaetis made relationships with their fans a lot deeper I feel.

Big Dada/Ninja Tune/Quannum but let it be known that i still bump blackalicious, latryx, roots manuva, herbaliser on the regular

that stuff is all pretty much first-tier and still pretty much dope.

oh yeah, i def fell for the Streets, oof

OPM = ()??

but lol @ anyone who fell for Sigur Ros. whadda crock of shit

lamp u fat cocksucker don't get so aggrieved

lol if u cant tell y ur post is entirely loathsome & shameful then best end things now here 2day

"YOU SAY LOOOOOOOOO"

"omg i'm crying"

I guess I fell for the Streets - I bought one album, which I convinced myself I sorta liked for a short period of time.

"crying in my own language"

i love that record, man. and it's "YOUUUUU SILOOOOOO OHHHHH FIIIII LOOOOOO" x1000 iirc

enjoy the things u like assholes iirc

"help, i am a whale with a guitar, i am crying"

"my heart is heavy and full of sorrow, i am a whale-man, taste my blubber in a made up language"

ahahaha

the early streets albums are still charming.

there's so much here that i could talk about, i'm sort of stuck as to where i should begin.

"my heart is heavy and full of sorrow, i am a whale-man, taste my blubber in a made up language"

hav no idea what this is but i think id bee into it?

those are Street lyrics

there's so much here that i could talk about, i'm sort of stuck as to where i should begin.

do your future self a favor and don't delete/sell everything. taking a scorched earth approach to your own taste usually leads to more remorse than listening to something you later dislike

itt h8in urselfs wtf imo

― plax (ico), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:14 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

^agree

not falling for anything is a much worse way to go imo

I "fell" for Sigur Ros - still think it sounds great tbh, personal fave being the title-less album

lamp i don't know who you are, i was amused at yr taking offence to my fairly innocuous if slightly smug first post
i wouldn't worry about it

Dizzee Rascal was one of the best rappers to emerge last decade.

sincerely regret the hollertronix/ed banger phase

fucking uffie ffs

although tbh i still do like some of it

them being the future and savior of indie pop, a supergroup for the cardigan set = bullshit of the 00s

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, April 13, 2010

Supergrass are the best pop band on the planet

dizzee rascal, the fiery furnaces

I "fell" for Sigur Ros - still think it sounds great tbh, personal fave being the title-less album

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier)

yep, it is great. Agaetis, Takk..., and Hvarf/Heim are excellent, but i'm less keen on their 2008 record, and haven't heard Riceboy Sleeps or Jonsi's record yet

xp was waiting for someone to mention 'blog-house'. heheheh that was fun/terrible

ksh as a former nu-metal fan would you say any of that music is worth preserving

Luckily I'm a little older, so I didn't fall for anything that embarrassed me like some of my nineties Britpop crushes would. The Streets probably comes closest.

nu metal > sigur ros for entertainment value actually.

dunno y yall have to hate things like it represents who u are all of a sudden, feel like u r letting the puritanical constraints of acceptable taste inhibit and restrict ur urges.

i feel like i don't like bands who cry and play bows with guitars and make up their own language all at once in one band. it's cool that they do that, but it's just not my thing, and i feel like i should feel free to make fun of them, because they are whales.

u r free to be as douchey as u want but like that is not my issue tbh

dunno y yall have to hate things like it represents who u are all of a sudden, feel like u r letting the puritanical constraints of acceptable taste inhibit and restrict ur urges.

^^^ used to say this a lot when I was in the closet.

ksh as a former nu-metal fan would you say any of that music is worth preserving

― nakhchivan, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:35 PM

i used to listen to Staind, Mudvayne, and whatever else the local modern rock radio played (Disturbed, etc.)

tried listening to Mudvayne again recently, and it was miserable. i'd probably still like some of the songs from Staind's Break the Cycle, and i like "Prayer" by Disturbed still, but eh

also, this isn't nu-metal, but i'll totally rep for that first Evanescence record. love Amy Lee's voice especially

i still like siger ros's first two albums, good for work or zoning out type stuff

but i was never a super fan or anything....

xpost

i'd probably also rep for a Seether single or two

I still like the Sigur Ros ( ) disc; saw 'em at Radio City on that tour and loved it. The Jonsi record is excellent. Re nu-metal, I like Deftones, Slipknot, Disturbed and Static-X. Korn were always krap, as were Limp Bizkit and all their imitators.

Oh, and I liked the second Mudvayne album quite a bit.

Did the band even like it?

I cant really hang with Break teh Cycle tbh, that shit just got way too played out...

Are FNM and Bungle nu-metal? If so, them.

i still like parts of Slipknot's Volume III, but that's the only record of theirs i've ever owned

yeah, the only Mudvayne I've owned was "The End of All Things to Come," and i just feel like i've probably grown out of it, although i still think the dude can fucken sing when he tries

trying to remember if I fell for British Sea Power or something like that

last thing on nu-metal: i probably still like some stuff from Staind's 14 Shades of Grey too, but haven't listened to it much in a loooong time

Slipknot's first album is good in a sort of Black Sabbath-meets-SAW sort of way...that & the Deftones & System are prolley all I'd salvage from nu-metal though

the fear of 'falling' for music is a sort of paranoia but if u r 'professional tastemaker' it's probably necessary

deftones and system of a down were always popular even among people who hated (nu)metal but i was kinda persuaded by the limp bizkit revisionism thread too

I wasted much time in 2003 trying to delve deeper into electroclash, but found it runs thin after 3-4 canonical albums. I wasted less time on the sludge metal/shoegaze crossover.

In general though, the evolution of my tastes has slowed to a crawl (sadly). I still eagerly consume things the push the envelope of genres I was first exposed to in my late teens/early twenties, but have become pretty complacent about by disinterest in vast expanses of the landscape. Hence I don't "fall" for much outside my well-rutted predilections.

smh at people who've mentioned vampire weekend and dizzee rascal.

Sanpaku, what are your "well-rutted predilections"?

i'm always interested in hearing what genres different people gravitate towards

As a band, Razorlight are as embarrassing as they get, but I still like not only the choons on their debut, but some of the B-sides too. For me it's mostly the opposite -- I didn't much like Dizzee or M.I.A. when they first came out, even after seeing M.I.A. open for LCD Soundsystem. But the albums have grown on me since. One exception, I used to lurve Amon Tobin, and never listen to the stuff now. I still think he's good, but just have no desire to listen.

i probably still like some stuff from Staind's 14 Shades of Grey too

^^talk about an album title that summed up the band

dunno y yall have to hate things like it represents who u are all of a sudden, feel like u r letting the puritanical constraints of acceptable taste inhibit and restrict ur urges.

^^^ used to say this a lot when I was in the closet.

― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:38 PM (15 minutes ago)

wtf r u even implying here, this is some smug illusion of wit bs

truth bomb, M@tt

i was kind of digging that field album - here we go sublime or whatever - until i realized it stunk.

here we go sublime or whatever

^^^ unofficial working title, shortened to here we go sublime

I didn't much like Dizzee or M.I.A. when they first came out, even after seeing M.I.A. open for LCD Soundsystem.

"i was there..."

i thought of amon tobin, i still think he's sick with sampling and 'supermodified' can be ridiculously lush, but it feels pretty dated.

i still love that Field record

my only real honest-to-god answer to this question is crystal castles, i remember being fifteen and thinking i was the hippest little shit. but idk, a lot of you were people with laptops who followed music for the entire decade, i was only 9 years old in 2000 so alot of the stuff ya'll are mentioning i've only discovered recently through like pitchfork lists or ilm. like i could say that being 13 years old and loving ska punk was "the biggest bullshit, musically speaking, that i fell for" but that's not the point i don't think. i'm not even rly ashamed of my brief stint in metalcore, that every time i die album still kicks ass.

I had my Decemberists period..
such a shame..

i think more years should pass by in order to answer this thread with the right perspective

this thread is awesome

i think of montreal was me getting caught up in ilx hype the hardest i ever did

i don't like have some big regret or anything but now i hear it and i'm like DAAAMAN this band is aggravating as hell

Yo La Tengo in middle age

i put some time in trying to dig Fiery Furnaces/Of Montreal/Decembrists etc. during the middle of the decade, but i pretty much never want to hear those bands again.

candyglo don't say noogo iirc

Good call on Fiery Furnaces, still pissed I spent so much time trying to "get" them. I suppose I'd keep the EP around, but that's about it.

you make me sad

fiery furnaces became bullshit only from their 3rd album imo.

fiery furnaces backlash is most predictable and easy backlash ever - as with GYBE, big, slow-moving (well in this case pretty spry but still a little lumbering) target

and they very quickly de-bullshitted after that imo

Of Montreal is the winner here.

I have a hard time deciding whether I still like The Stroke's "First Impressions of Earth" or not as well.

jesus

i'm not even saying Fiery Furnaces is necessarily a *bad* band -- they're certainly interesting! I just decided I didn't want to put in the effort.

guys we're azll ok, and music is fun

sad i never got into Tapes 'n Tapes

Oh, and add Arctic Monkeys. Whatever Keith Richards said about the band - something along the lines of "complete and utter bullshit" - I now agree wholeheartedly in retrospect.

Other than that I generally enjoyed this decade.

i bought a diplo cd

― po-mo da don (tpp), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:22 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

See also that period where I was a teenager and read the NME. Owning an album by... The Wombats! and The Holloways! Exciting! I totally remember who these bands were! They were presumably mildly funny on Never Mind The Buzzcocks/Popworld (depending on when they came out) that one time!

answer might be Guillemots btw

this thread should be for things that were inadequate to their claims to srsness, not slightly shambolic but joyous things you liked as a teenager

"fell for" is an interesting way of putting the thread question, because it implies some level of commitment or genuine interest that has faded with time. e.g. I tried to like the Fiery Furnacves' post-Blueberry Boat output but certainly didn't "fall" for it, and eventually gave up like most people here. I still love that record and the first one though.

Pretty positive that the biggest bullshit I fell for was the more experimental end of laptop techno, Mego label and the like (altho those Kaffe Matthews CDs are still great). Later period posthumous Muslimgauze releases are a good candidate as well, I have sold nearly all of those now.

haha i completely fell for mego, no apologies that stuff was often pretty great (and witty too)

i'm not even saying Fiery Furnaces is necessarily a *bad* band -- they're certainly interesting! I just decided I didn't want to put in the effort.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I meant. The returns I was getting was not at all worth all the effort I poured into listening to them. If they float someone else's boat, great, I just wish I'd have given up after my first try like I considered until the gushing reviews convinced me otherwise.

haha ja rule/ashanti. if i recall a LOT of folks here on ILM were really repping irv gotti's "sparkly" production style or whatever. shit is terrible.

i guess at the very beginning of the decade i was still repping shit like, oh god i can't even remember the name, ah yes... stereo total or some other indie pop stuff. probably wouldn't be able to listen to it now.

never was able to understand fiery furnaces at all. don't think i've made through a whole album.

anyone here buy a vines CD? hehe.

i regret falling for post-godspeed post-rock, like explosions in the sky or mogwai's 2000s output or 80% of what my college station added when i djed there

I can't work up any remorse over anything, but I'm pretty sure from other people's perspective my answer would be electroclash stuff. I mean, I not only own some WIT but specifically went out to see them live. If I think back on electro stuff, though, the bulk of what I really remember is stuff I still think was great -- Gigolos stuff, Miss Kittin / Hacker / Golden Boy, Dutch stuff, Legowelt, that Ghostly compilation, etc.

Fiery Furnaces/Of Montreal/Decembrists

seems unfair to lump FF in w/the other two to me, but then I've only ever listened to FF's EP and think it's great so subsequent output didn't sour me on them cuz I never bothered to pick it up haw

i'd like to claim explosions in the sky as my own answer but some of their stuff is still quite good, maybe (haven't listened recently, 'your hand in mine' at least probably still great)

mogwai's 2000s output

But their output in the latter half of of the decade is actually very little like post-rock!

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/b/artist-big-rich/album-horse-of-a-different-color/cd-cover.jpg

Hahahahahhaha

this thread should be for things that were inadequate to their claims to srsness, not slightly shambolic but joyous things you liked as a teenager

― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:20 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i was a teenager and treated every record i bought as something more important than it was instead of i dunno, learning how to talk to girls

learning how to talk to girls was one of the best elephant6 records

Mego label and the like (altho those Kaffe Matthews CDs are still great)

yah towards the end of hs i was really into this shit & theres a lot of it i dont really listen to but there are a few things that i still absolutely adore: 17 songs after midnight, the 1st fenn o'berg thing i guess thats really abt it. i mostly regret the amount of $$$ i spent on this shit but i dont like feel a fool for having multiple pita records or w/e

I tried in good faith with a lot of this stuff. Destroyer, Decembrists, AnCo, Devendra... either it just couldn't stick to my ribs (the last two) or outright annoyed my ass (the first two).

I have only listened to each Dizzee album a few times but they seem pretty awes to me and I'm def gonna spend more time with them.

But their output in the latter half of of the decade is actually very little like post-rock!

i guess i stopped paying attention at some point, ha. wasn't 'the fountain' ost from like 2006 tho?

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/b/artist-big-rich/album-horse-of-a-different-color/cd-cover.jpg

that's what you get for giving a shit about chuck eddy's opinions

oops i mean http://image.lyricspond.com/image/b/artist-big-rich/album-horse-of-a-different-color/cd-cover.jpg

Showtime is the only Dizzee I keep going back to, that one has my favorite beats on it. I'd love an instrumental version of it!

Pretty positive that the biggest bullshit I fell for was the more experimental end of laptop techno, Mego label and the like (altho those Kaffe Matthews CDs are still great).

aww :( who do you mean? i love most of that stuff that i can think of. kaffe matthews is awesome. i'd be tempted to say minimalish electro-acoustic improv because i was so into that stuff earlier in the decade but i still think it's great.

how about certain no-fun fest bands, being... not interesting. i can think of a million other things i'd rather listen to to get the same effect nowadays.

devendra banhart is probably the closest i get on remorse. i really don't know what i was hearing at the time. fiery furnaces and latter-day of montreal are two things that i don't really listen to anymore, but i don't feel weird about my love for them when i look back.

Oh yeah, I bought that fucking Big & Rich album, too. Thanks, Chuck.

Battles? How are they tasting to y'all at this remove?

haha, apparently i missed the great Big & Rich ILM deception. They were the countrypolitan band with the midget rapper, right?

lolz @ people that listen to xhuxh eddy

Still love the shit out of Battles and anxiously waiting for another album!

They were the countrypolitan band with the midget rapper, right?

nah they teamed up with "blackneck" conservative Republican black rapper Cowboy Troy. (He is not a midget)

wasn't there a band with a midget rapper?

oh i'm thinking of the Kid Rock midget rapper. nevermind.

RIP

Well, and Geto Boys...

I think I walked around pretending to like Annie for a while.

Although I still like Chewing Gum.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yWhq8SMs_TB8hM:http://www.kidrock.com/img/bios/joe-c.jpg

keep it real ILM!

The Battles album was WAY better when I returned to it a couple of years on

I own it but still have not given it due time tbh. On first two listens it honestly reminded me of Gentle Giant more than anything, but that's a positive.

having trouble coming up with pop examples, maybe gwen stefani?

how about Lady Gaga

we need more records and then some distance

i find that most early 00s pop has gotten even more classic as the years go by

sorry, "most of my favorite early 00s pop"

lol yeah just trolling obviously

altho anybody rep'ing for Katy Perry in the future is gonna get the stinkeye from me

i mean, how classic does this sound right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwkgQcKWMU

like, everyone still loves Britney and Fiddy amirite

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

god yes

yeah nelly seems actually better in retrospect

yep

Dude, Nelly's early singles are great!

lol at Big & Rich. I too, downloaded it because of that fucking thread.

I spent a lot of this decade catching up with pre-2000s music because I only escaped from the cave that I grew up in around 2001 or so. That said...The Rapture.

aw I like that one Rapture album I own, Echoes...

nelly is terrible sorry guys

actually fuck I just remembered the dark days of 2001

blink 182
feeder
semisonic
lyte funkie ones
ash

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Still love the shit out of Battles and anxiously waiting for another album!

Unless they've seriously reworked the new stuff I've heard live, I dunno.

When's the last time you listened to Echoes? Because I didn't think too much of it until I gave it a listen about a year ago for the first time in forever. And...yikes.

haha last weekend

it's fun. the only thing that really sticks in my craw about it is that one really blatant PiL rip, where they bite the "the face is raining/across the border" lyric/melody

(otoh I have personal connections to those guys so it has some added resonance for me)

actually fuck I just remembered the dark days of 2001

blink 182
feeder
semisonic

^^
The way the distortion kicks in for the second chorus of California is great though.

How many people are still willing to rep for Wolf Eyes and their ilk?

lolz @ people that listen to xhuxh eddy

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:39 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark

this 1985 david essex mini-LP with six hip-hop remixes of "rock on" rocks harder than bad brains. and i love bad brains. did i mention that i bought it for $1?

rapture's 2nd disc is not bad all around (changed lead singers, that prolly helped), echoes has some decent stuff on it too

i have 2 agree w ppl who said the streets. i think 'fell for' is less like 'aw <3 u...wait now i am self-conscious of this and h8 u' and more like 'dude(s) whose opinion i trust praised this i will give this a shot and i like this with the feedback that this is well-received' and once u ~escape~ that feedback loop u r just like FUCK this is unlistenable bullshit.

i wz just listening to hisssing fauna (yep on youtube) for the first time today...i really like that album...

also i'll rep for wolf eyes somewhat..though ive only heard burned mind...i want to get human animal too

ash and blink made some great stuff, will defend till i die even if i never actually feel the need to listen to either till then either

ok guys are you ready for the big one

coldplay

How many people are still willing to rep for Wolf Eyes and their ilk?

― Darin, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:33 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

with a passion. still blast this ish on the regular. i was just blazing Pink & Brown and Kites the other day

Also, Sightings have made like the best record of 2010 imo

sightings are great
wolf eyes possibly a bit overexposed but should never put noise on this thread cuz people who says noise is 'bullshit' 'a fraud' etc are nudniks, whatever else it is it isn't that

poptimists and rap-stans have no regrets, I see

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see i've been trying to think but like a couple people said upthread, i don't tend to have a lot of remorse about these things. here and there i'll remember albums that were in my top 10 a few years ago like Brooke Valentine that i wouldn't rate as high now, but i'm not really like lol man i got swindled or anything. then again, the 90s was my time of being a teenager and going whole hog on some goofy shit, in the 00s i was more conservative with only really taking chances on or initially overrated new albums by artists i already liked, that turned out later to be kinda crap.

i bought into the second jeezy album, which actually only has like 4 good songs

that's one that i remember convincing myself was actually good, but it's def noticeably worse than 101 or recession (or trap or die)

haha i remember being so mad at how shitty that album was, and am still kinda mad that Breihan stood by his rave review of it even after The Recession

yeah and then they let dombal underrate the recession

listening to "cheese and crackers" today kind of made me regret ron browz, even tho i still think "pop champagne" is dope

jeezy only has one good album tbh

he has one great album, one good album, one relatively crap album

Rap albums I regret putting money down on from the last decade-

Viktor Vaughn 2
Graduation? If Sarge is gonna be annoyed over the second Jeezy record for only having 4 good songs...
This Is Not A Test
That Mike Jones album that never lived up to Still Tippin'.
Investing time in Lil Wayne's career only for it to turn into pop joek 101
Surprised no-one has said Hell Hath No Fury to much eye-rolling yet...
Common: The shitty Kanye years was a big waste of money in hindsight. God knows why I bought Finding Forever, I don't think I've even ever listened to it once through.

poop* joek

i was thinking of 'graduation' but i'd still bump that album even tho it's def his weakest

'hell hath' would be a good candidate but people who dig that album stand by it

(on the other hand, those Paul Wall and Slim Thug records/ and get yr mind correct + still tippin' makes that whole scene worth it.)

has someone mentioned arcade fire yet? i'd say 'funeral' is probably at the top of the list of indie albums i dug when i was younger & would never really listen to right now

also: the boy least likely to

HHNF saved by Trill and Wamp Wamp in my memories. Those 2 are so dope that it doesn't really matter that the rest is a bit dull.

another rap album: bun b 'II trill'

I don't feel a lot of shame about much from this decade, compared to the 90's. There's stuff I don't like but it doesn't feel like I invested a lot of time and money in it, compared to the pre-internet days when seeking something out was so much harder to do and there's always a solid plastic object around to remind you of what you though was good at one point.

i definitely have held some goofy unpopular opinions like yo i kinda like lloyd banks better than 50, but the thing is i STILL think those things more or less

Ever look at yr record collection and wonder if you were the only person in the world to buy something? Just noticed I own the second India Arie album.

G Unit were such a waste of potential :( free yayo

i think g-unit pretty much fulfilled their potential

first 50 album, first buck album are great, plus great singles like "on fire" and "so seductive" and "outta contrl (rmx)" and the various pretty good singles off the first g-unit album and subsequent random dope 50 songs

plus the singles off the first game album

I dunno, I remember listening to all them early mixtapes and thinking daaaamn these dudes could be more than... lloyd banks and tony yayo and the game and young buck. Although I guess hip-hop is built on the tears of one time good punchline types.

i don't think any crew has ever fulfilled their potential, with maybe the exception of beanie & freeway, but even roc a fella as some wasted potential

it would be cool to pool various rapper crews of the decade, but i suspect that jay's would walk with it

G-Unit were so ubiquitous in my hometown (of maybe 23000) that the two gangs names themselves G-Unit (graham st.) and P-Unit (putnam st.).

Unfortunately they took it way too seriously and shot my favorite weed man.

Graduation has one bad song, the god-awful track with Chris Martin. Otherwise it's near flawless. Late Registration is Ye's worst record, by far (and even then has a bunch of great tracks).

damn, RIP

i don't think any crew has ever fulfilled their potentia

http://badbeat.la/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wu-tang-clan-04.gif

I got into the Polyphonic Spree's first album, but did a quick about turn when I went to see them live. I was so enraged by the hippie good vibe feel, and all the wild gyrations in a look-how-into-this-we-are way, that Mrs. Position had to drag me from the venue kicking and screaming, just as I was about to storm the stage and forcibly choke several of them to death by ramming bottles of patchouli oil down their throats. You all would have thanked me if it had happened.

ctrl+f 'junior senior'

just me then huh :-/

Graduation is like 2 great singles and maybe a couple keepers beyond that, fewer songs and no skits seemed like a good idea but really it just made the album feel kind of bare to me

Poll options-

Gucc (ay!)
Jay (is bleek still alive?)
Does all that Swishahouse count? '05 never forget
GOOD music lols
G Unit
d12 LOL
are wu allowed now they all hate each other/rza?
lol british but wiley and co?
timbaland (hey guys, remember magoo? wonder what he's up to?)
neptunes various rappers (roscoe p coldchain had that one dope song once)
this current horrible cash money thing
talking of which, when did cash money v.1 implode?
other

Graduation is like 2 great singles and maybe a couple keepers beyond that, fewer songs and no skits seemed like a good idea but really it just made the album feel kind of bare to me

― sipster cuppies (some dude), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:40 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

otm -- late registration no doubt has some clunkers but it's sprawl helps in that regard

we've had this exact discussion in the kanye album's poll thread tho

If Graduation and 808 were made an 8 track ep (or just Flashing Lights, Amazing and Cant Tell Me Nothing), it would have been the best thing ever.

I wasn't around then, but fair play. I just think LR is just overblown and indulgent, and songs like "Roses" suck.

yeah but We Major and Drive Slow and Gone and My Way Home and... is it Jay's last great verse on Diamonds? etc.

it is overblown and indulgent, which is why it's kanye's opus

(altho not his best album)

but making an overblown orchestral record with jon brion that has massive highs and a few lows -- i mean, that's kanye -- that's why we love(d) him -- graduation was misguided conceptually

I just see Graduation as the logical extension of the sounds he was playing with on LR, like on "Diamonds" and "Celebration" and "Addiction." Seems like a natural progression to me, cutting out the masturbatory orchestration and shaping it into something concise, er, relatively.

has someone mentioned arcade fire yet?
i wrote a really positive review of their first record ... and I haven't listened to it since.

I see it as a logical extension in that he's always been jumping on current fashions (late registration has ray charles, screwed and chopped, mauroon 5 and graduation has autotune, daft punk samples, chris martin) - i guess i just like the first lot more and they work better together.

speaking of "roses," where are all y'all who once supported THE LOVE BELOW?

that is a good one

i am now ashamed of the 16 miley cyrus posters lining my kitchen wall.

i really tried to get into arcade fire, and i loved Laika--still do, in fact--but everyitme i'd put their album on i would listen up to power out, and fifteen seconds into it, i'd take it off again...i dont know what it was...

This thread in five years: Joanna Newsome, Dan Deacon, Vivian Girls, Kurt Vile, etc

I'm just sayin' this thread pretty much sums up the short shelf life of 'indie' - not because the music suddenly starts to suck or something (even though the music of three of the four examples above could be used for interrogation purposes round my house), but because yall are fickle and ungrateful and this is why bands getting Best New Music reviews on Pitchfork are still working at Barnes and Noble.

Enjoy your binary code, you spoiled brats.

you are retarded

I think I now regret putting Speakerboxxx/Love Below as my album of the year, but it would still be top five. Mostly for Big Boi's disc though.

But I do still kinda like TLB.

i dont really have too many regrets thus far actually...same indie crap i liked 5 years ago i still like a lot now even though i dont listen to them quite as much as I used to...

i fell pretty hard for Corrosion of Conformity's In the Arms of God, and that turned out to be kind of a mistake...

I d/l'd a bunch of MF Doom bootlegs I still have yet to listen to...

How many people are still willing to rep for Wolf Eyes and their ilk?

― Darin, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:33 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me me me! went through a musical housecleaning recently that included the selling of lots of wolf eyes & related stuff, but i found that i still love slicer/dread/dead hills/burned mind era WE to death. great stuff that kinda got lost in the noise glut.

The Neptunes

contenderizer otm, pretty glad I stopped following Wolf Eyes after that era

has someone mentioned arcade fire yet?

No, because nobody fucking liked Arcade Fire in the first place!! Except for that idiot at Pitchfork of course. Sure, people may have "tried to get into it," but that was it. Same goes for Hercules and Love Affair and the Junior Boys.

snrub you're being an idiot

I didn't get into wolf eyes until last year

& I don't see what's wrong with it!

speaking of "roses," where are all y'all who once supported THE LOVE BELOW?

― cupcake 24/7 (Tape Store), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:12 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Still supportin'.

man

loooool Snrub

i still stan for Neon Bible & So This Is Goodbye

have never heard Last Exit, and Begone Dull Care was trash tho

Destroyer

ksh you need to hear Last Exit right away, so much better than STIG

ok! i have added it to my increasingly long list of stuff i need to listen to. thanking u

All y'all talkin' bout indie stuff and no mention of:

http://www.cluas.com/images/music/album/clap-your-hands-say-yeah.jpg

that's a solid record

OMG how could I forget that one? I did fall for that one.

"Home On Ice," "Over and Over Again," and "Upon This Tidal Wave of Young Blood" are all excellent

i'm sure the rest hold up well enough, too. good record, and the production is ace

can't think of anything i really regret, still love dizzee and bejar and never got into lots of hyped indie stuff. if anything I wish I had checked more stuff out - my taste has def become more limited as I've gotten older.

One of my first posts on ILM was about how now can seriously like Wolf Eyes -- they had to be putting somebody on, right? It was the first entry in my "saying things that will make me hated" series.

And I don't have too many regrets over what I've liked. There are probably a few bands from circa 2004 (Franz Ferdinand comes to mind) that I championed, and looking back the music wasn't that good, but I'm not shedding tears.

the second CYHSY on the other hand actually makes me angry to think about

i don't even know if i ever heard the whole thing, but the first, deliberately-distorted track is really great, and the rest . . . totally unmemorable

Are FNM and Bungle nu-metal? If so, them.

― Davek (davek_00)

we are talking about the 00s here, not just things you regret. neither of those bands released a record in the past decade.

i fall in to the decemberist & sufjan camps as well. i still like sufjan's work, but i think a lot of my interest in him dwindled after he failed to deliver a timely follow-up.

i regret liking coldplay. i really, really wanted to like them, but they never delivered on what i thought was great potential.

i bought an audiovent album. that's pretty regrettable.

i regret owning a thursday cd

had dalliance w/ that kitsune sound for a while there. the good bits are still pretty good! the bad bits are 95% of the catalog.

as a child of britpop i got most of my getting swindled out of the way during 95-99.

In the future we should take bets on which trending indie bands and mini-genres will be called "bullshit" seven to ten years later.

chillwave, but it was more like seven to ten minutes after the first track was released

"this whole paisley underground rap movement...it's all bullshit, Larry. Get out while you can."

were the beta band bullshit? i haven't listened to them since they got called the tampa bay buccaneers of rock

source tags and codes was not bullshit, musically speaking, but that album title was

source tags and codes is some comp sci madlib shit

HTML mouse and Wikipedia was their other working title iirc

Track 3 was great but the rest, not so much. It always seemed like they were trying way too hard to just really go for it man!!!!!

do your future self a favor and don't delete/sell everything. taking a scorched earth approach to your own taste usually leads to more remorse than listening to something you later dislike

― elephant rob, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:25 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

with two external hard-drives, i ain't deleting shit. and i have all of my old CDs-- many of them burnt since i was in college 2003-2008-- in many different places around my parents' house on the other coast. i still have ALL of my old punk and hardcore records from 95-2001, and only sell records when i am truly in financial straits and would rather depart with some half-good Luciano single than have sex with strangers for money. which i've also done.

Decemberists and Fiery Furnaces are both pretty abysmal IMO.. I pretty much always thought so.

However "Sunlandic Twins" still sounds great to me, so I can't say the same for Of Montreal.

At some point or another, I did fall for The Polyphonic Spree, The Vines, Dandy Warhols, The Streets, and Green Day's "American Idiot." I'm pretty sure I liked Cody ChesTTnutt at some point also.

"Why" by Jadakiss is definitely bullshit, and I used to love that song.

Same goes for "Fallin'" by Alicia Keys... Everything related to her is bullshit.

And of course "Are You Gonna Be My Girl"... God, what a shitpile that was..

Metallica's comeback record.

in terms of what i fell for?

- freak-folk = everything except the first two devendra records, ESPERS (who are still awesome), and WWVV live is absolute garbage and makes me feel like a dumb hippie retard when i re-listen to it.

- TV on the Radio = no matter what anyone says, nothing will ever top that first EP. in fact, i will argue to the death that TVotR have legitimately sucked shit after that EP.

- Deerhoof = after i saw them live twice in one year and they sucked hard both times, i gave up

- Wolf Eyes = i will stan for early recordings, esp. Slicer, but post Burned Mind is all downhill

also bsj, u crazy, "Fallin" is ace.

Yeah an ace piece of shit

This thread in five years: Joanna Newsome, Dan Deacon, Vivian Girls, Kurt Vile, etc

I'm just sayin' this thread pretty much sums up the short shelf life of 'indie' - not because the music suddenly starts to suck or something (even though the music of three of the four examples above could be used for interrogation purposes round my house), but because yall are fickle and ungrateful and this is why bands getting Best New Music reviews on Pitchfork are still working at Barnes and Noble.

Enjoy your binary code, you spoiled brats.

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you are retarded

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

Metallica's comeback record.

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox)

if you mean "St. Anger," i am fucken madly in anger w/ you

i'm not generally too ungrateful... i mean, i won't touch Joanna Newsom with a ten-foot pole. Dan Deacon records bore me, but he's helped bring a great scene together. i find Wilco so insufferable that it pains me to imagine myself liking them, but they do know how to make commercially-appealing pop-rock records. i love the guys from TVotR, they're sweethearts but haven't made a good record in years....

that said, i never would have thought that i'd be pining for my Man is the Bastard records that burned in a squat fire when i was 16, or that Born Against would become one of my favorite bands again more than ten years after i bought 'Rebel Sound of Shit and Failure.' so eh.

actually i did get that first vines record on someone's recommendation, then sold it on for more than i paid for it once i realised how shitty it was

I enjoyed The Vines lofi-sounding demo recordings and pretty much hated the watered-down album versions of those songs after I bought it.. partially because it helped me to realize how boring the songs actually were.

The records the Flaming Lips put out, post-Soft Bulletin, pre-Embryonic, all succumb to BS in ways that none of their older records ever do. Yet because I was a long-time fan I put up with it.

^^^^^^^^

if you mean "St. Anger" - take yr pick

I RAGE I GLAZE I HURT I HATE I HATE IT ALL WHY WHY WHY ME I CANNOT SLEEP WITH A HEAD LIKE THIS I WANNA CRY I WANNA SCREAM

COLOR THE WORLD BLACKENED

as a child of britpop i got most of my getting swindled out of the way during 95-99.

this, but i still managed to buy a stupid amount of cd singles up until 2006ish, barely one of them worth the cost of materials to me now

of montreal h8 is making me ;_;

i still like that 1 oM album

i have a feeling i'd be embarrassed if i revisited the Go! Team but don't quote me on that yet

You can't really parody James Hetfield any more than he has himself at this point.

the first half of Hissing Fauna is so good but man the second half (w/ the exception of the closing track) is O_O and the followup record is -_-

You can't really parody James Hetfield any more than he has himself at this point.

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox)

DO I HAVE THE STRENGTH TO KNOW I WON'T GO
CAN I FIND IT INSIDE TO DEAL WITH WHAT I SHOULDN'T KNOW

MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE

the revolutionary drum sound pioneered by avant-garde percussionist Lars Ulrich

Hissing Fauna was always overrated, and I never understood why Sunlandic Twins has remained so slept on.

aldhils is where it's at for me

i have a feeling i'd be embarrassed if i revisited the Go! Team but don't quote me on that yet

― cupcake 24/7 (Tape Store), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah, this one too

otm ksh about the closing track, it's my favorite i think but i dig that whole record & skeletal lamping is my shit too. i was very lonely stumping for that one though

xp *rolls eyes* at old OM contraristanning, peace

the revolutionary drum sound pioneered by avant-garde percussionist tin can banger Lars Ulrich

hissing fauna is a damn classic, you fucks

the one after that is a mess tho

An overrated classic, yes

Only thing I regret is placing Aly + AJ's Insomniatic in the #1 spot on my J+P ballot in 2007. And I don't hate the album, but I definitely overrated it that year (which I blame on the now extinct teenpop cru who made me see beauty in the album and then left me holding only sad regrets).

all i had to do was wait until the supermarket had soup on sale and now i have a full set of drums thanks to Lars's basic insight into the true nature of the snare drum

Also to person who regrets owning Thursday album: U suck I hate u.

hissing fauna is a damn classic, you fucks

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:12 AM

classic if you ignore the second half, sans the final track

treads a thin line between great and totally fucking cloying

"standing at a Swedish festival, discussing Story of the Eye"

stfu

overwrought Jeff Buckleyness

she's a rejector is one of the best songs on the album!

NOOOOOO

some publication, i think it was P4k, was talking to Barnes abt instruments and he said he loved his Rickenbacker bass which is OTM b/c the bass tone on Hissing Fauna is killer

i really hated the hubcap snare of st anger, but when lars explained it as "expressionist" because he really loved expressionist art, i kind of thought it was a pretty amazing and ballsy move tbh

i really hated the hubcap snare of st anger, but when lars explained it as "expressionist" because he really loved expressionist art, i kind of thought it was a pretty amazing and ballsy move tbh

― dipster purpies (Whiney G. Weingarten)

there's no way he actually said that

i think it's more like, Bob Rock doesn't know how to get a decent fukken drum sound out of Metallica w/o making it sound like the drums on Black Album

varient question: ever fallen for huge bullshit and known it was bullshit while you were falling for it, but fell anyway?

I thought LArs snare sound was more Basquiat tbh

i love Metallica, but James's "aaaaaaaccccccccccchhhhhkkkkkk!" in "Invisible Kid" is totally priceless

j0rdan & k3v otm, Hissing Fauna is unimpeachable. the follow-up yeah not so much.

hissing fauna is the one of montreal album from satanic panic on that i ever listen to. some great stuff on there.

of montreal h8 is making me ;_;

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:06 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

you not alone, bro. kind of weird b/c i can see the hype machine re: burial, dizzee, (britishes + blogs, what can ya do)... but of montreal, kinda don't get how you could feel tricked or fooled. but then the whole concept of being embarrassed by what you like(d) is for gaywads.

hey guys -- in the interest of this thread, i'll now link to reviews of indie rock albums that i wrote in my freshman year of college that will probably embarrass me if i read them again

http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2006/10/3/decemberists-deliver-career-high/
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2006/10/6/beach-house-delivers-serene-masterpiece/
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2006/10/24/annuals-release-stellar-debut/
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2006/11/8/blow-creates-simple-indie-minimalism/
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2007/2/20/joanna-newsom-ys/
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2007/3/20/bird-s-latest-album-just-good-his-last-one/

(with the joanna newsom one, i stayed up all night writing 4 600 word reviews, one of which was menomena & the other of which was fujiya & miyagi, so i think convinced myself that the album is actually good)

haha just those urls are pretty lol

yeah, i mean, i'd like to note that i had no input on headlines

"Bird's latest album just as good as his last one" lol

btw, i hate that the internet stores all of my bad writing, wish i had used a different name

there's a good chance that i never even listened to that annuals album all the way through including in the time that i wrote the review

oh hey my school

word?

i mean i graduated two years ago, but yeah. didn't work for the maneater though, just vox.

i still rep for hell hath no fury definitely. i much prefer it to the re-up gang mixtapes people raved and raved about.

i don't really get regret w.r.t music tho really. when i was tween we listened to nu-metal, black+death metal, hardcore punk, emo + rap and now i just find anything that was corny really hilarious and it brings back loads of memories. as a teenager its easy to convince yourself that stuff is good when its not...kind of miss those days tbh.

being a teenager in the first half of the decade and listening to loads of pretty bad music with my friends

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

the latter half of the decade where you might buy a bad CD because of bullshit blog hype (e.g my diplo example)

when i went off to university i was mostly still listening to rap exclusively and then when i realised my friends who stayed in london or went to university in 'cooler' cities were all listening to blog house, minimal house or terrrrrible ed banger bullshit i tried to read kewl blogs and bought a few cds to try to catch up. never really got into any of it tho beyond some of the mimimal stuff which i still love.

i got quite into 'the black album' (jay) which now i find pretty awful but i was still listening to the blueprint loads at the time which is so classic so i guess its all about perspective

The answer is: my own writing.

getting yourself totally obsessed with a particular artist and convincing themselves that their weaker albums are just as strong as their classic stuff i think it hilarious and quite cute

trying to force yourself to like stuff because of hype or feeling like you should be into what other ppl are into - this is what i feel is my 'bullshit, musically speaking'

But when it comes to music, there's nothing I regret. No regret, no remorse. Fuck that shit.

the biggest bullshit i fell for in the 00s was when i first got to university in 00/01, having never really been aware of...the music press, the "canon" &c, and basically getting fooled into thinking it was important. spent about 8 months wasting time and money on trying to get into eg the beatles, bowie, rolling stones, dylan...it was all so, so shit.

i have no regrets about any of the music made in the 00s that i enjoyed. certainly not electroclash, that got me into clubbing for the first time! actually, maybe the streets, though that's just a classic case of subsequent material making the debut album seem a lot worse in retrospect.

i kind of regret ever defining myself as a pop fan - particularly UK pop.

find it so depressing to see ppl mentioning grime on this thread

source tags and codes is some comp sci madlib shit

― ksh, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 05:27 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You don't mean this the way I hope you mean this, do you? Cos if you did it would be a fucking awesome record I have to check out right away.

Also xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost- check out those MF Doom records! Operation Doomsday, Viktor Vaughn, both KMD records and Madvillainy are PERFECT. The others, even Special Herbs and Spices + VV2 have good stuff on them. It's pretty much the best career of the past decade.

Black Album could have been so great but it wasn't.

Skeletal Lamping >>>>>>>>> Hissing Fauna although I get that it is a bit of a Speed Racer headache inducing type record.

What is wrong with UK pop lex? Or do you just mean current associations? In the middle of the decade it was terrific.

i truly loved grime + to this day feel frustrated with what happened to that scene. like do ppl listen to it back now and think its just bad or is it a case of "i'd followed the blogs and was into this new genre all ready for it to blow up and then it didn't what a load of bullshit" like the music only exists to serve your personal brand or whatever.

yeah, the mid-00s were great, but i think that was more of a blip - in the main i don't like that cheap, amateur aesthetic that tends to code britishness, but in terms of a stance to take rather than just music to rep for (or not), i don't think i realised then just how antithetical to my actual taste the popjustice aesthetic (and the pop blogs that orbit it) was/continues to be, i find it embarrassing that my taste could ever have been linked to it.

the only people who'd be embarrassed about liking grime are those who never really liked it in the first place. grime was one of the absolute best things about the 00s.

Only thing I didn't like about grime is that it stopped people paying attention to some ukhh records that were better than anything grime ever did

*cough*
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/B000KB6D8W.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V45794486_.jpg
*cough go listen to this, one of the best ten rap records of the decade*

i owned that once!!! i think i liked it. it got lost in some house move sometime :(

the biggest bullshit i fell for in the 00s was when i first got to university in 00/01, having never really been aware of...the music press, the "canon" &c, and basically getting fooled into thinking it was important. spent about 8 months wasting time and money on trying to get into eg the beatles, bowie, rolling stones, dylan...it was all so, so shit.

I went through this, but I honestly think it's necessary to become the person you are now. (semi-lol) So, no, I don't regret listening to the Eagles. Nor Beatles (even though I knew I wouldn't really get into them.) That way I wouldn't have discovered early Stones, Fleetwood Mac,...

Like a few on this thread, I'm having trouble thinking of stuff I truly regret falling for. If anything there are a lot of bands and releases that I've over-listened to, or just don't feel as relevant today as they did back then.

I have little inclination to listen to Aphex Twin any more, but that might be because his output has been sparse these last few years, and his schtick has become less appealing or interesting as a result. By comparison I've totally rekindled my love for Autechre after Oversteps. There is an awful lot of zingy late-period IDM like Kid606, Astrobotnia and Cex etc who were pretty dire, but then I never really bought into those.

There's an awful lot of dance stuff I won't really put on, but that's because dance is by nature disposable - things that once were anthems can get outdated extremely quickly as new stuff comes in, hence why I'd only really want to put on a microhouse comp for nostalgic reasons.

Other things that looked like they were going to rule but somehow ended up sucking a bit include Sigur Ros (first EP and most of the first album were great - the rest a snooze), GYBE! (one-trick poneys, got old fast), Devendra Banhart (really sad he turned out to be some egocentric flower-yipster instead of the 67-year old Havana-smoking cajun grandma I'd assumed him to be).

"But when it comes to music, there's nothing I regret. No regret, no remorse. Fuck that shit."
aside from this statement I don't understand this thread. I don't regret or have remorse liking anything, even if I don't listen to much more. Is this just music I used to think was cool and now I found something else that's cool? Are most people posting on this thread below 30. Not a jab at anyone, just wondering.

This thread is A+ and I love you all. I don't have musical regrets. If I like something I like it and that's that. I do, however, have a hard time justifying buying the Vines CD and seeing them live. More than once iirc.

trying to force yourself to like stuff because of hype or feeling like you should be into what other ppl are into - this is what i feel is my 'bullshit, musically speaking'

I kind of take this position also I think, not least cos I don't really have an answer - like most of the stuff that's springing to mind is things like At The Drive-In and Bright Eyes which I don't have a problem with now, I just don't ever feel like listening to - OTOH how do you recognise that tendency in yourself, that of being led along by hype or peer pressure? Unless you make an active decision to artificially construct your tastes in this way which I think very few people actually do

I suspect there's already a thread for this but if I feel 'bad' about anything it's stuff that I never made much effort with cos I'd got the impression it sucked for whatever reason (garage, as in the dance genre/s, and most house fit the bill for this doofus), rather than having the gall to fleetingly enjoy music that might not have turned out to have lasting appeal

Electroclash.

of montreal fans should listen to skeletal lamping more.

There is an awful lot of zingy late-period IDM like Kid606, Astrobotnia and Cex etc who were pretty dire, but then I never really bought into those.

astrobotnia/ovuca is different to this, probably the most elegant afx imitator of that time but without the infantile humour of kid606 etc....released an album as aleksi perala a couple of years ago that had a few excellent tracks

The New Rock Revolution. I was 12, bummed the NME, didn't have broadband. I'll never forgive myself for buying D4 7"s

I recall Ovuca stuff as being pretty... scattershot but I don't think I have any of his records. I saw Astrobotnia play a beatless ambient set to an inquisitive Saturday night crowd circa 2003. Anyways, loads of Kid606 stuff still owns fuk u if u disagree etc

kid606 was pretty great for a while, new album is alright too

really nothing, except maybe the NME-pushed new rock of the early 00s: the vines/strokes/BRMC grouping (i like some of the strokes stuff, but couldn't imagine playing the others again. more broadly, that whole "the future of rock" meme seems silly a decade later, since it was largely a dead-end supplanted by dozens of more interesting rock acts and micro-genres).

Horrific memories of getting REALLY excited when I heard the Vines cover of Ms Jackson

just downloaded that ^^
it's not very good but hardly horrific

There's a lot of stuff I liked for a bit, then got bored by and wouldn't consider listening to now. Just like there was in the 90s and the 80s, and probably will be in the 10s. I don't think it was necessarily bullshit, but certainly 10 years ago I was looking for different things in the music I was buying than I am now in the stuff I play frequently. That's just the nature of pop itself, and of growing older.

Some of the scenes that are being written off as bullshit - well, they served their purpose, which was often limited to reminding music listeners that there was an alternative. The garage revival/new rock revolution thing, for example - it actually was great for six months, and in the White Stripes left at least one band who endured, with a couple of others who are worth revisiting. As for the D4 et al - well, they really were great fun at that moment, and blast of fresh air after the fagend of Britpop and Dadrock. It doesn't matter that they had no worth six months later - not everything needs to have longevity or leave a legacy.

I'm in the "I don't do musical remorse" camp. I didn't fall for any bullshit in the 00's (can't think of any bullshit I fell for in the 90's either).

I fell for a lot of bullshit in the 90s but I had a lot better information in the 00s and so I think made fewer bad decisions. Biggest bullshit? Maybe some of the latter day E6-related things at the very end of the 90s/start of the 00s, like the Ladybug Transistor, or Beulah, though even those aren't really that bad, just not really my thing.

00s were too late for me to fall for bullshit. I fell for some in the 90s, and probably a lot in the 80s.

Really surprised no one has mentioned Tool/A Perfect Circle. I was into these guys until 10,000 Days came out with that magnifying glass 3D depth perception cover... owned the APC albums, saw them a few times in concert. I mean, it's not 100% terrible I guess, but maybe it's the Sigur Ros effect -- their fans are so apeshit about it that now, when I hear the music, it's just, "I actually liked this shit?"

No, because nobody fucking liked Arcade Fire in the first place!! Except for that idiot at Pitchfork of course. Sure, people may have "tried to get into it," but that was it.

Obviously you haven't seen an Arcade Fire concert with 50,000 people earnestly singing along to "Wake Up" and "Power Out," knowing every word by heart. They're not a band you really have to "try" to get; it's kinda like U2, the music is bold and bombastic enough that it's almost effortless to feel what it's trying to do.

i still stan for Neon Bible & So This Is Goodbye

YES. Their best albums, both.

xxxp:

I've never been a big Tool fan, but I listened to the first APC a couple weeks ago and it hasn't lost anything that made me like it in the first place.

Yeah, no one in the world liked Arcade Fire, it was all smoke and mirrors and a fiddling with the stock exchange.

and Green Day's "American Idiot."

OTM. I listed this as my album of the year on my 2004 year-end list. :'(

Find it hilarious that Whiney's still hooked, btw.

I'm sure there's a few bands I could list here but I have to go with The Libertines. What a Waster just blew me away and I do still enjoy that song but now I look back and can't believe I stuck with them until that awful that second album which i think i liked for about a week.

People talk about the debut as a classic (Ok mainly the NME do) but a lot of the songs on there are just so bad, The Boy Looked at Johnny springs to mind.

I really think the only talent in that band was Bernard Butler, he managed to make them sound pretty decent. It's no surprise stories came out that he played the guitar parts on the songs he worked on.

I guess I can't regret liking them too much I sold a lot of their singles for an absolute fortune but really I can't defend myself at all here.

it seems like you're in the majority, i was really surprised to find out that the libertines > up the bracket is basically challops. to me it's that s/t is better.

it's so obvious that*

On a related topic, there was an interesting series a couple years ago on Dan Weiss's "What Was It Anyway?" blog, wherein writers reevaluated their top 10 lists from earlier in the decade. (I was one of them; so was Whiney.) Love the refreshing perspective that comes out of stuff like this.

spent about 8 months wasting time and money on trying to get into eg the beatles, bowie, rolling stones, dylan...it was all so, so shit.

i have no regrets about any of the music made in the 00s that i enjoyed. certainly not electroclash

Lex, I <3 you but describing the canonized stuff as "so, so shit" and then repping for electroclash is just O___o all the way. I can see not caring to listen to Bowie, Beatles, etc. (I don't know if I really need to hear any Beatles album again, really) but to write it off as shit is just... it doesn't sit right with me. That's just knee-jerk dismissive reactionary anti-canon bullshit of the highest order.

terrible, depressing thread imo

Yeah, no one in the world liked Arcade Fire, it was all smoke and mirrors and a fiddling with the stock exchange.

yeah, i mean there was this self-described bohemian (read: hipster) girl that I worked with in 04 that I did not like, and I got her the Arcade Fire CD for christmas and she loved it!

You buy presents for people you don't like?

geez i don't even buy xmas presents for my friends let alone ppl i work with who i don't like
x-post

xp yeah well I was trying to be friendly...she was pretty popular around the workplace, and I had to deal with her everyday...

but fuck her anyways, I lent her my Vasleines CD and she NEVER GAVE IT BACK!!! I special-ordered that shit too!!! >:( (I also lent her the third VU album but I don't really care about that so much)

btw a hoy hoy re: DOOM Operation Doomsday & Mr. Hood are both GREAT and I plan someday to listen to every record you talked about...I love DOOM; Madvillainy is my record of the decade, but there's a LOT of stuff on that torrent that I just did not need

I was gonna guess it was a secret santa thing

Another regret from this decade, perhaps just a "Why did I waste so much time...?" thing, is giving the time of day to anything that received JAMC/MBV/etc. comparison in the music press. For every band that's stuck with me (e.g., Black Angels, Raveonettes) I'm sure that I heard a handful of bands that were embarrassingly bad -- Brian Jonestown, Dandy Warhols, BRMC, Warlocks, Editors, post-Bright Lights Interpol, Kills... the list really just goes on. Not that I "fell" for much of this stuff (though I did buy Antics, the first BRMC album, and probably some others I'm forgetting)... I just regret wasting so much time on post-punk/shoegaze "revivalist" music, with very little payoff.

Yknow I always feel that there is at least one Dandy Warhols album that deserves a spot in my record collection...I just haven't figured out which one yet. I'm thinking it's the one with "Cool as Kim Deal" on it...

Bright Eyes is another one I don't rate at all now. I was a huge fan after Lifted and Fevers & Mirrors but I never really got into the albums he put out on the same day, then I totally fell out with him at Glastonbury 2005. He headlined the John Peel Stage, came on off his face acting like he didn't want to be there, insulted John Peel, played a whole set from the Digital Ash album then buggered off.

I know bands are capable of having off nights but I could never listen to him after that without picturing him acting like an annoying little kid.

i really don't think it should be surprising that someone into club music prefers electroclash to bowie and the beatles - it's more incomprehensible to me that anyone wouldn't pick miss kittin over either of them

I dunno Golden Years by Bowie is one of my favourite songs ever...

(of course it reminds me of New Face in Hell, that's why...)

Not at all surprised that's your preference. I'm just surprised you'd write off Beatles, Bowie, etc. as "so shit" even though it's not exactly your cup of tea. Like I said... I've heard enough Beatles in my younger years to last me a lifetime, don't currently own the albums, and so forth... but I'd not write it off as "shit" simply because I have stronger preferences now.

xpost to lex

Really surprised no one has mentioned Tool/A Perfect Circle. I was into these guys until 10,000 Days came out with that magnifying glass 3D depth perception cover... owned the APC albums, saw them a few times in concert. I mean, it's not 100% terrible I guess, but maybe it's the Sigur Ros effect -- their fans are so apeshit about it that now, when I hear the music, it's just, "I actually liked this shit?"

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor)

Mer de Noms has a handful of decent songs, but Thirteenth Step is still a solid, solid record imo. i stan for it.

as far as Tool goes, search Lateralus, which is excellent, and a couple songs from Aenima and 10,000 Days (from the latter, specifically search both "Vicarious," both "Wings for Marie" tunes, and "Right In Two, and destroy the rest of it -- fuck bullshit like "Rosetta Stoned" imo)

ok, well, i would! i think they're both actively awful, not just "not my cup of tea". i would have to leave any room they were playing in.

xp

or at least turn them off and put miss kittin on instead.

i also can't follow you guys on Antics, which i still rate (although fucken Our Love To Admire is a songwriting and production disaster), or Bright Eyes circa-2005 (i will still stan for Wide Awake and parts of Digital Ash, specifically "Gold Mind Gutted" and "Easy/Lucky/Free")

ilxor, you're speaking to lex here.

Yes, I've realized this.

fuck bullshit like "Rosetta Stoned" imo

C'mon Maynard, just call it "We Are So Fucking Stoned" and be done with it.

what a fucken silly, bloated mess

what, this thread?

lalz, no. this:

All righty then. Picture this if you will.
10 to 2 AM, X, Yogi DMT, and a box of Krispy Kremes,
in my need-to-know post just outside Area 51
Contemplating the whole chosen people thingy when
just then a flaming stealth banana split the sky like one would hope but
never really expect to see in a place like this
Cutting right angle doughnuts on a dime and stopping right at my Birkenstocks
and me yelping... HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Holy fucking shit
Fucking shit
Holy fucking shit
Holy fucking shit
Holy fucking shit...fucking shit...fucking shit

also, the end of the song, where he goes "shiiiiittttt tthhhhheeeeee bedddddddd agaaaaaiiiiin"

i am not making this up y'all

ksh: Listening to latter-day Tool records so we don't have to.

"shiiiiittttt tthhhhheeeeee bedddddddd agaaaaaiiiiin"

just tryin'a save ilx from the pain of ever listening to some of the most O_O shit this side of Brokencyde

if you've been making dumb Scientology references for ten years, stop. just . . . stop

http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/1384-1/%7B05DD0014-7624-4A1E-93B5-EAC0006C9A6B%7DImg100.jpg

holy fucking shit @ rosetta stoned lyrics.. i can't believe those are real.

http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/10kdayslyrics.php#08

also i can't believe no one has mentioned screamo/post-hardcore bullshit.. i fell for that hard in the early 00s

And after calming me down
with some orange slices
and some fetal spooning,
E.T. revealed to me his singular purpose.
He said, "You are the Chosen One,
the One who will deliver the message.
A message of hope for those who choose to hear it
and a warning for those who do not."
Me. The Chosen One?
They chose me!!!
And I didn't even graduate from fuckin' high school.

unforgivable imo

knew someone was gonna mention Blood Brothers eventually - BPIB still bangs obv

i need to relisten to this song just to hear how maynard sings the word 'thingy'

Loving the YouTube comments for "Reflection":

It´s all about the fucking music... you don´t have to know anything about the band, just listen to the beautiful music they made for you...
I listen to Tool because i really LOVE their songs, I don´t even care for Maynard´s private life...
btw: Coke Zero sucks...

lolistening now - he's reciting most of the wacky shit which is buried under their standard math-chug. it would be almost cool if this sounded psychedelic in any way but its exactly like every other Tool song.

The Decemberists, specifically Picaresque O_O

― ksh, Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:39 AM (18 hours ago) Bookmark

this. my god.

blood brothers is a good one!

Comment on the "Vicarious" video:

I cried hysterically watching the baby drown. This band evokes the deepest emotions inside of me.

Sigur Ros version:

I cried hysterically watching the baby drown being born. This band evokes the deepest emotions inside of me.

loooooool

seriously though, listening to "Reflection" now and this is ace. Lateralus holds up

xpost Maynard sounds a little like Weezy on this part, needs more autotune

Strapped down to my bed
Feet cold, eyes red
I'm out of my head
Am I alive? Am I dead?
Can't remember what they said
God damn...SHIT THE BED

xpost i'll rep for blood brothers up until their last album, which i haven't heard. though my opinion might be clouded by nostalgia. i'll have another listen and report back

shiiiiiiittttt theeeeee beeeedddd agaaaaaiiiinn

how does someone come up with that in the studio?

i want a mashup of this and one of the songs from St. Anger

i rage i glaze i hurt i hate i shiiiiiiittttt theeeeee beeeedddd agaaaaaiiiinn

seriously though, listening to "Reflection" now and this is ace. Lateralus holds up

^

"Parabola" -- also ace.

indeed

that's suddenly turned into a hold steady lyric xxp

LJ your answers so far on this thread are disappointing to me.

What, in that I fell for them in the first place, or that I abandoned them? 14 year-old LJ had a big place in his heart for the second Coldplay album*, what can I say

*except for Green Eyes which was always ten tons of High And Dry esque bullshit

you will be the oneee screeaaammiinnnggg ooooouuutt

i shiiiiiiittttt theeeeee beeeedddd agaaaaaiiiinn

Suggestions for LJ:

65DaysOfStatic
Elbow
Late Of The Pier
Melt-Banana
Mew
Mogwai (post-2003 or so)
Oceansize
Max Tundra
Xasthur

groanworthy alt-rap circa 01 vs tryhard neon bullshit mid-decade, take your pick

that is more the sense in which i registered disappointment, yup xp

65DaysOfStatic - still fucking great, fth
Elbow - first three records are still very good, although I don't listen to them so much now and can understand the criticism
Late Of The Pier - jesus dude these guys are AWESOME and will get AWESOMER
Melt-Banana - WAHT, suggest fucking ban if you carry on like this
Mew - finally! a good suggestion! although again, some of their stuff still rocks
Mogwai (post-2003 or so) - never fell for Mogwai post-Happy Songs that much tbh
Oceansize - nope, still awesome
Max Tundra - nope, still awesome
Xasthur - nope, still oh cmon stop trollin' me

Mew is about as close as you'll get to an admission of culpability

max tundra = shite

actually my definitive answer here is destroyer's rubies

I still cringe with embarrassment after bragging to my friends that I had inside knowledge that it was going to get a pfork 10.0 thanks to getting duped by that ilm thread

:(

Was just hoping you'd show up, Herman.

What's your answer?

xpost

white rose movement too, was all excited that I was into a band's single before that single got a 5 star review from pfork, thus validating my ahead of the curve hipster taste

i actually bought a copy of the first coldplay album because i read somewhere that it sounded like the chameleons and talk talk! talk about a bum tip! this is why i stayed away from that other band that got compared to talk talk. the one with the singer who sounds like peter gabriel. i'm blanking on their name...

um elbow maybe :D

cast Destroyer's Rubies into the flames, trust dyao he had his reasons

suprised not to see the darkness in this thread

SSSHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIITTTT TTTHHHHHEHEEEEEE BBBBBBBBEEEEEEDDDD AAAAAGGGGGGAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNN

i shiiiiiiittttt theeeeee beeeedddd agaaaaaiiiinn

I'm gonna get shit for this but kanye west - graduation. still can't see why it's his definitive album. 808 and heartbreaks much better imo

gettttttttttttttttttt a fuccccccccccccckiiinnnnnnng bloooggggggggg you twwwwwwwwwwwwwo

xpost

Was just hoping you'd show up, Herman.

What's your answer?

i agree with whoever it was said that this thread is full of people who bought cds by bands who were hip and now they're not hip anymore they dont like them. (not in all cases though, but otherwise it does smack of that)

Yes that's mostly true but you're avoiding the question.

What's *your* answer?

I'm gonna get shit for this but kanye west - graduation. still can't see why it's his definitive album. 808 and heartbreaks much better imo

― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:24 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't think anyone wouldn't argue that The College Dropout is his definitive album

haha I just read through this thread and was surprised at all the revisionist history going on. definitely remember a large number of people itt and on this board stanning for graduation as album of the year when it came out

oh and its not the arcade fire, i still like their albums. So I cant think of anything I've bought that I regret. After buying the 2nd last Suede album (which was shit) with the internet making hearing things easy, i vowed not to buy so much stuff blind based on reviews. I d/l the last Suede album, it was even worse so I didn't buy it.
Im sure there's stuff I bought i might not play much of (i do like to get all albums by a band/act if i like something by them) but I honestly cant think of anything i really hate and regret buying offhand. If i do, I'll be sure to let you know.

i like graduation a lot. i even like the chris martin song.

i dont listen to a perfect circle anymore so that's as close as i can get. Will that do ,ilxor?

Still love Tool though, always have since the 1st ep came out.

Herman, you like the Arcade Fire?? O_o

That's not very metal of you.

as the metal thread regulars delight in telling me, i'm not very metal.

I also have embarrassing memories of trying to pitch the last twista album to the college rag I wrote for. also that prodigy comeback album

i definitely bought some stuff cuzza ilm love that i didn't like or listen to but i wouldn't call any of it bullshit. just wasn't my kinda thing. junior senior, dizzee, wiley, some other stuff. and all of that is totally outweighed by the stuff i bought that i DID really like. all that kompakt stuff. i rilly rilly rilly liked that stuff right off the bat. and it still sounds great to me.

I was the only person to vote for Graduation as the #1 album in the ILX poll that year and even I wouldn't argue it as his definitive album, even if it's my personal favorite.

Otoh, 808s and Heartbreak sucks dog balls.

kind of want to start a companion thread to this - musical trends & bands of the 00's you underrated at the time

Not to sound all 'I don't even own a TV', but I've found that my musical regret is inversely proportionate to how much attention I pay to musical press and reviews. I'm pretty out of the musical loop these days, but I'm much less likely to get hornswaggled by ecstatic blog blurbs about the genius of an artist who's been around for two weeks.

So most of my bullshit was from the earlier part of the decade. I was mildly obsessed with everything put out by Tigerbeat 6, Troubleman, Gold Standard Labs... Some good stuff, but not all good stuff. Also, that slew of early '00s bands vaguely influenced by Gang of Four.

hey I'm late coming back in here but I just wanted to note that the Mego stuff I was pointing my finger at before was really just the Evol CD, Ohne, and the Francisco Lopez LP (which still put me off the label when I got them all within 2 years). I could probably accuse Sahko and Mille Plateaux of burning me more often back in the early 00's.

also, Gold Standard Labs reminds me that I fell for !!! even up to the 3rd album, that was some bullshit.

I was the only person to vote for Graduation as the #1 album in the ILX poll that year and even I wouldn't argue it as his definitive album, even if it's my personal favorite.

This, for example, is one that I'm glad I listened to after the hype had died down some. It's not awful, but it's definitely a major drop after two stone-cold classic albums.

kind of want to start a companion thread to this - musical trends & bands of the 00's you underrated at the time

― fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM (3 minutes ago)

plz do

plz don't

mark grout started that one earlier, kinda

link?

oh yeah just put on robyn and while it's still really good, doesn't seem to be as anthemic and mindblowing now as it seemed at the time.

OK, Looking back, what's the biggest Not-bullshit, musically speaking, that you didn't fall for in the 00s but then found you were wrong, and so did, in the 10's?

...

What's with the "real naming" biz, hmm?

The Hold Steady / Lifter Puller. Seemed awesome at the time but now it is unlistenable. For some reason Finn's lyrics just embarass me.

On a broader note, anything that was lyric heavy in the early part of the decade. When you hear the same words over and over, it just seems to become less meaningful on each listen. (if it ever was)

Yeah, I'm kinda wondering how long it's going to take everyone to come around on the Hold Steady. They're totally the feathered bangs of the '00s.

The Hold Steady / Lifter Puller. Seemed awesome at the time but now it is unlistenable.

YES.

See also: Ted Leo.

lifter puller and the hold steady are still great

Many xposts up re: Mego Records. While quality did decrease, I do still frequently listen to a good portion of the catalog today. All the Pita, Farmers Manual, Coh, Noriko Turiko, Hecker, Zeena Parkins, etc.

Question: if you really liked a band/artists output, but then there's a decline in quality of output, does that put you off the previous albums you loved?

nahh

For me, no.

i don't think so

Wilco's put out one lackluster and another OK record since A ghost is born, but i still love A ghost is born and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

Me neither, but I just wondered if that was the case here with some of the stuff mentioned.

i'm one of those guys who loved lifter puller and don't really care about the hold steady

i want to play along with this thread but can't think of anything! lil' flip maybe?

* Le Tigre on Mr. Lady (1999)
* Feminist Sweepstakes on Mr. Lady (2001)
* This Island on Universal (2004)

amazing, ouch, what?

See also: Ted Leo.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:01 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see also: suggest ban

C'mon now. As much as I dislike Ted Leo, I would never sb him.

He seems like a nice enough fella.

ted leo is boring but doesn't really fall into the "biggest bullshit" category

man, this whole cutie-poo "indie rock" thing is gonna be like looking back on hair metal in 20 years no fuckin lie

She & Him is our generation's Poison, don't get it twisted

Anyone going to mention Liars? I have to say, despite a big noise-rock obsession circa 04-06, I never quite understood this band properly. They always seemed very tacky compared to Boredoms, Black Dice et al.

man, this whole cutie-poo "indie rock" thing is gonna be like looking back on hair metal in 20 years no fuckin lie

― dipster purpies (Whiney G. Weingarten),

you mean contrary ilxors who hated it at the time will love it?

not sure if this stuff is exactly the biggest bullshit either but no interest in these anymore:

the streets
hold steady
midlake
drive by truckers
dirtbombs
reggaeton

Whiney, what other bands besides She & Him are you throwing in the "cutie-poo "indie rock"" category?

decemberists

Must not forget Lily Allen - fell imo from ultra-cool sampledelic singalong Streets-style genius to just another 3AM slapper in a matter of months.

aerosmith

I was into the Soft Bulletin, Fridmann-era Delgados & other big technicolor, orchestral whatever (SB has aged OK for me, but a lot of it hasn't), but I was able to sensibly draw the line at The Polyphonic Spree.

I actually went from meh on Midlake to in love with the new album. (Did the same thing with Interpol re: loving Antics after being very bored by Bright Lights.)

Must not forget Lily Allen - fell imo from ultra-cool sampledelic singalong Streets-style genius to just another 3AM slapper in a matter of months.

lily allen actually got BETTER over the decade o_0

"streets-style genius"

lol count how many times THE STREETS have been mentioned on this thread

The Hives, Vines, Strokes, Mooney Suzuki return of garage rock is mine for sure. Though I still like the first Strokes album.

"Ultraglide in Black" is still smokin

i listened to that for the first time in like eight years yesterday! it really is, isn't it

they're not really a plain return-of-garage-rock setup though: two drummers and two bassists iirc -- was any of the other stuff good?

i spent 6 months or so thinking i really liked that first Franz Ferdinand album

I think I originally listened to the Fall because of the Franz Ferdy comparisons.

"Ultraglide in Black" is still smokin

^^^seconded. I still love the Dirtbombs. Their singles/covers 2CD comp is also a treasure trove of riches

I still like the Dirtbombs albums I got then as well as the white stripes and the first strokes album.

i think their originals are generally not up to the standard on their covers but that's just imo

standard OF their covers

I still love the Dirtbombs - yeah u can't really hold the lol "keepin it real w/ tru garage rock" thing against the OG Detroit scene.

also sad but true answer, despite the fact that i know and am friends with a bunch of the dudes - Rhymesayers/Doomtree/TC indie hip hop in general

xp - unless you happen to be talking about the Von Bondies - in which case, fire away.

I still like the album I have of theirs too!

I really liked Test Icicles when it was just the demo songs on their myspace, then they put out the album and I just felt embarrassed.

hahaha i am realizing that my last post looks kind of like "ooooh check me out i had drinks at the bar with DJ Abilities" but thats not what im getting at, i kind of do feel bad because they are nice dudes and really believe in what they're doing and whatever and they certainly dont think its bullshit, but i kind of do.

Fleet Foxes iirc

although i will still stan for "White Winter Hymnal"

meh, this isn't that bad actually i guess . . . "He Doesn't Know Why" is ace too O_O

that Fleet Foxes record is really really good, I will stan for it.

von bondies aren't that great...but the dirtbombs are AWESOME! One of the few times I actually have seen live music, in Ann Arbor at the Blind Pig late 2008

all my friends must be punished....

yeah, not as bad as i remember it, actually . . . altho Peck

nold still sounds like a lesser Jim James in places

i thought Beck mightve got a mention or too.

two

If u weren't down w/ Beck's schtick, then you prob would have realized that by 00

Tho Sea Change was way overhyped (even tho it is still p good)

Beck is a 90s phenomenon, not an 00s one

For me, the Microphones.

Sufjan Stevens. And possibly the Hold Steady.

i can see where people might have been progressively less in love with the hold steady as their sound changed through the decade but are people really falling back on their love of the early stuff?

like i could never see myself liking and then not liking "separation sunday"

Separation Sunday has soured big-time for me. I can't play it and not think of the direction they've gone in now, and how Separation Sunday was a pretty effective forecast of that sound.

separation sunday and the first one are still great

when does the LCD Soundsystem backlash start?

the upcoming album i think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huv9EOY3p_E

i do like Ultraglide but saw the dirtbombs a couple of times and was really not into it - but so many people swear by the live show i must have caught em on bad nights or something- whatever it was it kind of soured me on em - and I love The Gories and Blacktop a ton

agree Collins is at his best doing covers in all his bands though - and clicheed as it is to say, he does make them his own

I can't play it and not think of the direction they've gone in now

So you can't listen to "Cattle and the Creeping Things" because the new single sounds like Weezer? The piano in the bridge of "Stevie Nix" is inseparable from the piano on "Lord I'm Discouraged"? This makes no sense to me.

i forgot about astrobotnia, but i did have that cd at one point. it also brings to mind some glitch-hop shit like machine drum that i've never listened to since.

and i don't see how anyone can be mad about 'st. anger' (ha), since it gave us 'some kind of monster' which is an immortal classic

entire record is classic!!

So you can't listen to "Cattle and the Creeping Things" because the new single sounds like Weezer?

Doesn't "Cattle" sound a bit like Weezer itself, though?

G-Unit were so ubiquitous in my hometown (of maybe 23000) that the two gangs names themselves G-Unit (graham st.) and P-Unit (putnam st.).

Unfortunately they took it way too seriously and shot my favorite weed man.

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can't tell if this is excelsior or bummerz material

kinda lol but mostly sad

mostly sad but kinda lol

I think every single indie band/artist whose CD received an 8.0 or higher in Pitchfork has been mentioned at least once on this thread.

interesting

conspiracy

great point

you can't spell conspiracy without piracy

another great point

you can't spell conspiracy without the prefix con

you cant spell piracy without AC

air conditioning=invented by Thomas Edison, who formed the first version of the band, Vampire Weekend

who did so purely to spite his former employee Nikola Tesla, of the band of the same name

AC=short for Animal Collective, the band founded by George Washington, Iggy Pop, and George Washington Carver

George Washington Carver=invented Pitchfork. Years later, a website with the same name was started by a young group of Scientologists/Ayn Rand fans

invented THE pitchfork

you can't spell pitchfork without at least some rudimentary training in literacy and word formation

so that means you can write for pitchfork without being able to spell it

You can't talk about Pfork on ILX without at least some rudimentary snarking from Mr. Que and the peanut gallery.

In tool's defense, "rosetta stoned" is clearly one of their joke songs..

And good call re: blood brothers

I don't have any huge regrets either from the 00s, but I figured this thread has more to do with songs/artists/albums we enjoyed initially which we eventually grew out of..

I'm perfectly comfortable with great albums by bands who then sucked. It's nature's way. Separation Sunday is not soured by what came after.

i didn't hear the Blood Brothers until the very end of the decade and was like damn i've been missing out