Favourite SST Release of... 1987

in a just world

103 Opal Happy Nightmare Baby 27
82 Saint Vitus Born Too Late 25
132 Screaming Trees Even If And Especially When 12
150 Meat Puppets Huevos 10
96 Sonic Youth Confusion is Sex 8
130 Dinosaur Jr You're Living All Over Me 8
134 Sonic Youth Sister 5
100 Meat Puppets Mirage 5
195 Husker Du Land Speed Record 4

opal opal opal

(i'm not going to vote just yet)

(p.s. when did Ultramega OK get released?)

(p.p.s. what got left off?)

this is the first one i'm really torn about, You're Living and Huevos and Sister are all favorites

For reals, Negativland's Escape From Noise changed the way I experienced music.

Steve Fisk's 448 Deathless Days is going to deserve more votes than it gets though. Listen to the cover of 'Break on Thru': http://nonpopradio.com/ia/12%20Steve%20Fisk%20-%20Break%20on%20Through.mp3

But I spose Sister's (one of the/the) best SY record so that'll piss it in.

i cant remember now, but only a real sad fucker would check the discography and complain that an album they've never heard of and wouldn't vote for is not in the poll :P

xp

and i hope a few people give that screaming trees album a vote

dont underestimate my sadness herman

i wasn't meaning you (but it was ones near the end of the list)

Why is Land Speed Record on this? It was released in 1982 (and re-released on 1987)

Anyway, OPAL OPAL OPAL

to annoy shasta!! ;)

'87 versus early polls: much more of it, not nearly as good...I skipped the '86 poll; when Husker Du left, that's more or less when I tuned out too. I liked You're Living All Over Me, though, then and now, so I'll vote for that. I assume it'll finish second behind Sister. How far behind, not sure.

I think there's a helluva lot of great stuff on here, just that there's way too much other stuff.

there are a number of early 80s records here also by the Huskers and the Sonics, so i guess 87 was the year SST started getting heavy w/ reissues

That Flesheaters one is a greatest hits, but I voted for it anyway. I almost voted for SY, but I realized I really couldn't really remember any of "Sister" but the cover and the schizophrenia song.

What I consider good stuff

82 Saint Vitus Born Too Late
96 Sonic Youth Confusion Is Sex
97 Sonic Youth Sonic Youth
100 Meat Puppets Mirage
103 Opal Happy Nightmare Baby
119 Saint Vitus Thirsty And Miserable
130 Dinosaur Jr You're Living All Over Me
132 Screaming Trees Even If And Especially When
133 Negativland Escape From Noise
134 Sonic Youth Sister
138 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 1
139 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 2
150 Meat Puppets Huevos
152 Dinosaur Jr Dinosaur Jr
166 Black Flag Wasted...Again
175 Black Flag Louie Louie
195 Hüsker Dü Land Speed Record
262 Grant Hart All Of My Senses

Other stuff i dont know that might be good. But if the poll was that list only, would people be saying it's a shite year? (ok yes, some comps & reissues but still)

i dont hate sister, but I def rank it below EVOL, DN & Dirty, so it gets my vote for most overrated SY album...i think You're Living All Over Me is pretty overrated too...

Mirage has great songs but crappy production...I have a full concert of the Pupps in 87 in NJ that have them playing all the Mirage material and its awesome!!! (do you still want that Herman?)

Sister is better than DN

yes please mate!

I love Mirage so if the live versions are better then count me in!

How I ranked them and a couple more SSTs (within my year-end top 150) then:

9. dinosaur - you're living all over me
29. screaming trees - even if and especially when
32. sonic youth - sister
50. henry kaiser
85. opal
93. crazy backwards alphabet
114. minutemen (pretty sure this is ballot result, though, which I don't see up there)
121. dc3 (probably their late '86 album, whatever it was called)
124. tar babies
125. flesheaters - greatest hits (shouldn't this be up there too?)
138. meat puppets
144. slovenly

probably not the best 150 albums of 1987

No idea why Saint Vitus didn't make my list that time.

Voting Sister, which I still own, though I'd love to hear the Blood On The Saddle, Crazy Backwards Alphabet, and Slovenly ones again someday. (Also Paper Bag -- what the heck is that? Some avant studio wank thing? Oddly, I think I might've briefly liked it. Pretty sure I never heard Treacherous Jaywalkers, whatever they were, though.)

xp alright Herman how do i do this?

actually tell me how to do this via email...bigstarz✧✧✧@ya✧✧✧.c✧✧

seriously chuck you are going to have to tell me where to find more of these lists...

125. flesheaters - greatest hits (shouldn't this be up there too?)

That's what Destroyed by Fire is, Greatest Hits - Destroyed by Fire

Okay, gotcha. And oops, left out this one from my list:

128. blind idiot god

Like I said, I wrote a 3000-word-or-so magnum opus SST roundup for the Voice that year; my faves in it (with their pictures at the top of the first page) were Dino Jr, Screaming Trees, and Blind Idiot God.

im afraid i cant make out your email, lol. you could gmail me by adding my nickname i go by before the @gmaildotcom (not the herman one)

Herman was just my joke krautrock name made for the watercooler thread years ago. pfunkboy has always been my ilx name

I'd really like to hear Bl'ast again, never been able to track it down. The stuff on their myspace sounds good. However, Opal by a long stretch. Last twist in the SST story that I really surprised me and made me rethink my listening. Sister felt like a disappointment at the time, less weird sonically than I wanted.

bigstarz404 at yah00dotcom

or else Ill just email you okay...

done

sweet thx

This year is so filled with good stuff but I can't not vote for Negativland because

For reals, Negativland's Escape From Noise changed the way I experienced music.

is OTM.

Paper Bag more live improv than avant studio, apparently, but the LP cover definitely rings a bell for me:

http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue21/paperbag.html

way way harder than 86. sister, born too late, you're living all over me & happy nightmare baby = four of my very favorite records of the 80s. wanna vote opal, but i'm torn. sister doesn't need my help of course, but born too late got me through some v dark days.

between these:

82 Saint Vitus Born Too Late
95 Das Damen Jupiter Eye
96 Sonic Youth Confusion Is Sex
97 Sonic Youth Sonic Youth
100 Meat Puppets Mirage
119 Saint Vitus Thirsty And Miserable
130 Dinosaur Jr You're Living All Over Me
132 Screaming Trees Even If And Especially When
134 Sonic Youth Sister
195 Hüsker Dü Land Speed Record

will probably go for you're living all over me... when did das damen's triskaidekaphobe come out? did i miss a chance to vote for that?

Blind Idiot God get my vote, that record was one of my most played that year and still gets regular airings. I'll also rep for :
Meat Puppets - Mirage (odd attempt to go commercial, dunno why they bothered as they were still never going to get paid)
Elliott Sharp & the Soldier String Quartet - Tessalation Row (scrapy microtonal string quartets, played by Dave Soldier of Thai Elephant Orchestra / The Most Hated Music fame)
Various Artists - No Age: A Compilation Of SST Instrumental Music (OK, large amounts of this is dire but it was a useful gateway album for me at the time)
Negativland - Escape From Noise (their best album, I still have the bumper sticker with my copy!)
Steve Fisk - 448 Deathless Days (esp. the creepy track with the slowed-down voices, "the grass is more important than me, the table's more impoertant then me, the RUG'S more important than me, then maybe a little tear rolls up in my eye, because that's my hero, that's my daddy" or whatever it was)
Grant Hart - All Of My Senses (winner of the post-Huskers solo releasese, in retrospect)

Triskaidekaphobe was 1988 I think.

Treacherous Jaywalkers Sunrise

Wasn't this Josh Haden, later of Spain, also brother of Petra Haden and son of Charlie Haden? Just looked it up, yes it was. As I recall they were 3rd-rate Minutemen copyists but I could be wrong.

Glenn Phillips Elevator

Ex Hampton Grease Band!
1987 was a far better year for SST than 1986 imo.

Never heard the Hampton Grease Band, but that Glenn Phillips album is so awful imo. Didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I first heard that. First (and only) time I saw Pavement, Malkmus was wearing a Glenn Phillips shirt, and I knew there and then that this guy had to be shitting us.

Not sure that Grant Hart EP is supposed to be on this poll...

My possible not-Sister-or-YLAOM vote would be Bl'ast's Power Of Expression, although I think that's just another reissue.

i cant remember now, but only a real sad fucker would check the discography and complain that an album they've never heard of and wouldn't vote for is not in the poll :P

I know I know I know, but THESE IMMORTAL SOULS are a bad choice of band to leave off the list. Fucking class band. Rowland S. Howard not long in the grave and all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKw5dRktWys

Thought you might have had If'n in there too, cos at least that has a big picture of Husker Du on the cover right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orH3GBNYFLA

^ so fucking kick-ass.

I think Slovenly's Riposte came out in 1988; come to think of it, I think Thinking of Empire came out in '87, too. But I wasn't around at the time (I was only 7). No worries, though - this one was always going to be an impossible year for me anyway, even though it's the infamous Year of a Gazillion Releases.

But... where is BL'AST!'s It's In My Blood!? Power of Expression is there, but as Col Pool points out that's a reissue (from 1985 on some other unrelated label), and School's Out is just a single/EP that was tacked on the end of the Blood CD anyway.

Pool? I meant Poo of course - apologies for the Colonel.

cant please everyone

Had to leave out a few albums due to 50 options poll rule.

should've left off the albums that were previously released reissues - e.g. confusion is sex.

and the EP that came out in 1990 :P

well to be fair 87 is where the SST discography starts getting really hairy...

buncha hippie freaks

I think Thinking of Empire came out in '87, too

Doubtful. This Slovenly interview ran in Spin's Feb 1987 issue, and I refer to Empire as "recent"; seeing how the issue probably came out in January, that'd mean I wrote it in late '86. Back in those days, "advance copies" weren't a common occurrence, either. I had to pitch the piece first too, so the LP had likely been out a few months:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gcCEwpvxozAC&pg=PA12&dq='chuck+eddy'+slovenly&rview=1&cd=1#v=onepage&q='chuck%20eddy'%20slovenly&f=false

voted for the Dinosaur Jr record, which is "lung-collapsingly beautiful"

THESE IMMORTAL SOULS are a bad choice of band to leave off the list

ha ha, they made mine:

131, these immortal souls***

really was this necessary

120 Zoogz Rift Ipecac
121 Zoogz Rift Interim Resurgence
122 Zoogz Rift Amputees In Limbo
123 Zoogz Rift Idiots On the Miniature Golf Course

Zoogz got 2 votes in the last poll! 4 albums increases the possibility of vote splitting though.

youre all arguing over albums that you wouldn't have voted for if they had been in it. i took away the albums near the end. vote for 1 of the albums in the poll.

Had to leave out a few albums due to 50 options poll rule.

there is no God imo

this poll is huevos vs. sister vs. mirage just fyi

The catalog in my copy of Thinking of Empire says It was released in 1986 on August 11. Same day as Ballot Result and Mending Wall. And a week after I Against I. A damn good month!

This poll is a Sister/Flesheaters/Mersh 1 tossup for me, but after the washout in the 86 poll I want to make sure Chris D gets some love here.

really was this necessary

120 Zoogz Rift Ipecac
121 Zoogz Rift Interim Resurgence
122 Zoogz Rift Amputees In Limbo
123 Zoogz Rift Idiots On the Miniature Golf Course

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:50 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

this was directed @ g ginn btw

Thanks for the corrections xhuxk and dad a.

I still don't know what to vote for. Post-Mersh 1 doesn't really count for me, even though it's technically the first Minutemen I owned. I do love that Screaming Trees album, though, it's my favourite of theirs.

the trees' sst records are very underrated (especially by lanegan, imho)

They deserve a vote

cuz they're great

that may be

the lawndale album 100% does not deserve even a line in a poll

Beyond Barbecue is better.

BTW was Everett Shock's Ghost Boys one of the omitted albums, or was that '88? I know it's supposed to be awful, part of the whole 'let's release anything Fred Frith or Henry Kaiser was involved in' phase, but I heard the title track on an SST in-store tape I found on a blog a couple of years ago, and for some reason I love it.

117 H.R. Human Rights
171 H.R. The HR Tapes
177 H.R. Keep Out Of Reach

Was this necessary either? Not to mention the other 2 Zoogz Rift albums on the list.

xpost

Keep Out Of Reach isn't that bad really, it's more along the lines of I Against I than third-rate dub.

why are you all moaning bout what was left off the poll or what wasn't. just talk about the albums ffs

because polls with a bunch of catalog filler that nobody gives a shit about are annoying

you gotta be able to process this info my friend

This is Escape From Noise for me, probs. Even though I love Mirage a lot.

(And I would rilly love to hear that Pups '87 concert too!)

like I know for you a poll cannot be cool unless it has a whole buncha options but for many regular posters who would otherwise be interested the "include all possible options!" strategy is 100% lame

do whatever you want dude I'm just telling you how it is for your potential poll participants

138 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 1
139 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 2

So are these basically My First Bells aka the first few albums + EPs, but on CD? The Minutemen back catalogue bemuses me.

like I know for you a poll cannot be cool unless it has a whole buncha options but for many regular posters who would otherwise be interested the "include all possible options!" strategy is 100% lame

That'd leave about 4 records on this poll though

its a discography poll, if i left those albums/eps off, then the same people moaning about what was left off, would be moaning those albums were left off. Noone gives a shit about those albums that were left off, but they're still moaning they're not in it. If anything is left off some fucker will moan
xps

Would have preferred SST 1987 Pt. 1 and Pt 2 polls, but oh well. Tough choice between Sister and Blind Idiot God.

like I know for you a poll cannot be cool unless it has a whole buncha options but for many regular posters who would otherwise be interested the "include all possible options!" strategy is 100% lame

and you see how many people are complaing stuff was left off? A lot more than 1 guy complaining there's too many options.

And if someone cant choose their favourite album purely because there's 40 albums listed they don't know, then they have a problem.

If you leave any Trotsky Icepick or Mofungo off future polls I'll moan about it, even though they were crap

This is ILX, we all have a problem.

we all have a problem.

seriously, guys: new board description.

Escape from Noise 100% no question

Mister NOISY gave UP!

(applause)

these polls are great and you're doing an awesome job with them, f the haters

hells yeah
most fun polls ever

squandered my vote on black flag's louie louie this time out

yeah these sst polls have been some of the best ever so complaining about them seems...odd bordering on retarded

right the 86 poll is one of ilm's best-ever threads imo...

OK I just went through the SST discography on wikipedia and realised that I've owned around 170 SST releases at one time or another. Anyway yeah these polls are great, voting may drop for the post 1995 polls though.

hah you honestly think im running them til then?

Votings going to drop off after this one.

I intended on doing up to and including 1989. If there's demand or anyone else wants to take over then then fine.

I gave this poll an extra week just because of the sheer amount of albums and I know lots of people like to listen to a lot of it before voting.

btw can we keep the chat about 88 and 89 off this thread otherwise noone will chat on their subsequent relevant threads!

Maybe I'll do a 1990-onwards poll, if I can dig up the motivation. The nineties weren't all bad, even on SST!

If you leave any Trotsky Icepick or Mofungo off future polls I'll moan about it, even though they were crap

For some reason I still own three Trotsky Icepick albums! How these have survived my frequent brutal cullings I just do not know, probably the very next ones in the firing line though.

One thing I never got round to hearing from this era is the Descendents' All. Any good?

NO ALL

probably the very next ones in the firing line though

Don't do it! The first two Trotsky Icepicks (as in, Poison Summer and Poison Summer) are really good!

140 Divine Horsemen - Snake Handler
141 Brian Ritchie - The Blend
151 Scott Colby - Slide Of Hand
164 These Immortal Souls - Get Lost (Don't Lie!)
167 Semantics - Bone Of Contention
165 Minutemen - Post-Mersh Vol. 3
170 Paper Bag - A Land Without Fences
183 These Immortal Souls - Marry Me (Lie! Lie!)

^ according to my highly scientific calculations, this is what was left off the poll

in case anybody wants to rep for 'em

when an album I've never heard of gets even one vote in these polls my interest is peaked so

Check the missing run from 105 to 115, EIII

godz of wiki have 105-115 being released in '88

Post-Mersh 3 is good, it has Paranoid Time, Bean Spill, Joy & The Politics Of Time on it.

Don't do it! The first two Trotsky Icepicks (as in, Poison Summer and Poison Summer) are really good!

Actually I have Poison Summer, El Kabong, Ultraviolet Catastrophe and Baby! Fuck me, FOUR Trotsky Icepicks!

oh wait, you're right. here:

106 Bl'ast It's In My Blood!
107 Painted Willie My Fellow Americans
108 Painted Willie Painted Willie
109 Joe Baiza & the Universal Congress Of Universal Congress Of
110 Henry Kaiser & Crazy Backwards Alphabet Crazy Backwards Alphabet
111 Angst Mystery Spot
112 Descendents ALL
113 Lee Ranaldo From Here To Infinity
114 The Leaving Trains Fuck
115 fIREHOSE If'n

I'd actually be torn between blind idiot god and the ranaldo solo joint

the latter is a beautiful piece of work if'n you got a record player

Not generally a huge fan, but the Leaving Trains Fuck is their best IMO, 'What Cissy Said' is a great song.

Will rep for Kill Tunes too

i didnt notice the minutemen, lee ranaldo, descendents and firehose albums, oh well

CBA and From Here to Infinity are both GREAT.

I played the locked groove on "ouroboron" so much it actually changed over time

no wait, I meant "slo drone"

this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy3C-Zr7sSE

I might have voted for FHTI if it were on the poll.

BUT IT'S NOT

my copy of from here to infinity had a savage pencil etching on grey marble vinyl, can't find an image online

Never had that, but I did have Dinosaur jr's Just Like Heaven EP and I think that had a Savage Pencil etching on it too. At least the Blast First version did anyhow, dunno about the SST.

Still have no idea what to vote for here, there's about 6 or 7 godlike records imo. Will probably discount reissues and greatest hits (sorry Flesh Eaters), but after that... DAMN!

Yeah pretty sure the SST version of the D Jr had the etching too - I had that 12-inch and don't think it was the Blast First version I had.

Argh how i'd like to have the Savage Pencil Fall shirt I bought on the Nation's Saving Grace tour return from the shrunken, frayed grave

My favourite lost band t-shirt of yore: a Live Skull one with a Charles Burns drawing of a hot rod

SAINT VITUS - DA PINK ALBUM

Party with me, punker!

Voted Tar Babies because it's playing in my head and never came out in any other form in any other year so far as I know, and is probably as good as Sister in its way. But I've worn out all three volumes of Post-Mersh, particularly 3. I never bought it, but I've known many ardent fans of fIREHOSE's If'. I'm not moanin' just 'memberin'.

Between these and Royal Crescent Mob and Fishbone opening for the Beasties, it was a very punk-funk year.

i love that firehose album too, it was a genuine oversight.

just wish mods could edit polls, but we can start again if we have too. a mod could always integrate this thread with it?

but first we would have to decide what gets left out, but if all this is possible i'm happy to do it.

figure out how many releases there were in 1987, divide into 2 or 3 polls, don't delete anything. re-poll the top 5 vote getters in each sub-poll to get the overall winnah

Better solution: delete reissues of stuff that first came out several years earlier.

Best solution: don't restart the poll.

oh yeah, that too.

Combine Zoogz Rift down to one entry...I say that as a Zoogz fan.

xpost

Would leave out Grant Hart cos wikipedia are filthy stinking liars when it comes to the relase date of that record.

someone compile a list here leaving out reissues then i'll do that
xp to jon

You're Living All Over Me vs. Sister for me. Probably voting the former even though I listen to the latter more frequently these days.

These are all reissues:

96 Sonic Youth Confusion Is Sex
97 Sonic Youth Sonic Youth
120 Zoogz Rift Ipecac
121 Zoogz Rift Interim Resurgence
122 Zoogz Rift Amputees In Limbo
123 Zoogz Rift Idiots On the Miniature Golf Course
138 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 1
139 Minutemen Post-Mersh Vol. 2
175 Black Flag Louie Louie
195 Hüsker Dü Land Speed Record

do people really want this poll re-run?

another popular solution would be to just delete all the sonic youth records

do people really want this poll re-run?

NO!

We already have 130+ posts and likely dozens of votes in this thread, let's not fuck it up.

Yeah fuck it. If'n would have got a few votes but it wouldn't have won. Likewise Universal COngress Of and Ranaldo.

I think we should have a poll about whether to redo this poll, but it'll be up to others to make sure the poll has at least 50 options

voted sister; i just dont have very controversial opinions about SST, it seems

CAAAARRRRR BOOOOOOOMB

YES

i think i put that on about every mix tape i made for a straight year or so

Sycamore... is open.

Whiney, JJJ and Jon OTM.

It's not even funny...it's ridiculous. ELEVEN?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHRz8kDkNLk

the Universal Media Netweb!

ok no new poll, lets roll with this one

just allow and tally write-in votes, should be easy

that Blind Idiot God album really is great, but it's OPAL OPAL OPAL for me.

agree there shouldn't be a new poll. if there were 10 releases left off we could swap out the reissues and have another, but there's 18, plus a lot of posts/votes have happened in this thread. if you love any of the following, tell us all about it!

106 Bl'ast It's In My Blood!
107 Painted Willie My Fellow Americans
108 Painted Willie Painted Willie
109 Joe Baiza & the Universal Congress Of Universal Congress Of
110 Henry Kaiser & Crazy Backwards Alphabet Crazy Backwards Alphabet
111 Angst Mystery Spot
112 Descendents ALL
113 Lee Ranaldo From Here To Infinity
114 The Leaving Trains Fuck
115 fIREHOSE If'n
140 Divine Horsemen - Snake Handler
141 Brian Ritchie - The Blend
151 Scott Colby - Slide Of Hand
164 These Immortal Souls - Get Lost (Don't Lie!)
167 Semantics - Bone Of Contention
165 Minutemen - Post-Mersh Vol. 3
170 Paper Bag - A Land Without Fences
183 These Immortal Souls - Marry Me (Lie! Lie!)

113 Lee Ranaldo From Here To Infinity

This one's nice! Haven't heard any of the others.

i think fIREHOSE If'n was where it really sank in that there was never going to be a minutemen pt. II so I kind of hate it on some emotional level i think

Yeah If'n never made me too happy. I really liked Flyin' The Flannel though! That and the first one are the essential firehosen.

dude, greeat display name btw! noticed it yesterday, made me lol

I love these:

Bl'ast It's In My Blood!
Scott Colby - Slide Of Hand

The BL'AST! I've talked about before - people call them Black Flag derivatives, but this one sounds like the kind of twisting time-changing metalcore the Hydra Head bands were doing a decade later; I don't hear the Flag comparisons other than the Ginn-esque buzzsaw guitar sound.

And the Scott Colby one has some really nice tunes. It makes slide guitar sound really rock.

And Scott Colby plays on Island Of Living Puke iirc

Maybe if you guys are really nice to pfunkboy, and appreciative of his efforts, maybe he'll do ANOTHER poll, a multi-year one covering all the stuff that slipped through the cracks first time around

otm on If'n. I love Ragin' so much because it feels like classic old Minutemen, where the next ones seemed to jump back on the mersh train. I actually traded-in fROMOHIO to Skot a few months ago.

was thinking it could be fun to poll the SST major-label debuts: Candy Apple Grey, Goo, Flying the Flannel, Forbidden Places, Green Mind, etc

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing! Like SST Graduates Poll. We should wait until the year by year polls are done tho.

Not to forget Quickness, whatever the Screaming Trees major debut was and I think Pell Mell signed to a major for a while, bizarrely.

Also Glenn Phillips released records on Virgin in the 70s but I guess that doesn't count. Shame Zoogz never got his big label break.

whatever the Screaming Trees major debut was

the disappointing uncle anaesthesia...

also, soundgarden.

wasnt disappointing to me

Rollins Band had some records on a major too right?

Mazzy Star!

Rollins Band had some records on a major too right?

yeah, but no records on sst...

I'd count Rollins as surrogate for Black Flag since Ginn never sold out

I think Pell Mell went to DGC for a nanosecond, no?

have meat puppets been mentioned?

Ah,sorry, Matt mentioned that above - confirmed, they were on Geffen for the album Interstate.

xpost though we could poll albums where they abandon ship to other indies

Meat Puppets - Forbidden Places was on London

if you compile a poll of 1st major label release by formerly indie bands you will have people complaining that so and so is missing and others will complain there's too many options

what are you talking about nobody complains about polls on ilm

152 Dinosaur Jr Dinosaur Jr

tf is this? the little furry things single?

Re-ish of the Homestead record probably.

i don't think so... i think it's little furry things b/w show me the way...? anyone, could like a saddo like Herman G. Noname to look up for us?

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/ep/dinosaur_jr_/dinosaur_jr_/

oops im no saddo just google-proficient

That's what all the saddos say.

ANORAK!

shasta why dont you just keep off these threads you annoying prick

o_O

no offence like ;)

and i dont know what it is. I assumed it was the 1st album reissued but wikipedia doesnt say

im sure someone here will probably own SST 152

and perhaps 69 has proved you were correct it was indeed the little fury things ep

and now everyone can be happy when it gets 0 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknnCbhSuLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8aM-Rh6jqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Cy97ipbsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvXCJPQSE9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdpvuJmGU68&feature=PlayList&p=A29027AC706F3FCD&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=15

Wish I still had that Blind Idiot God album. What do you guys think of the dub stuff on it?

Not appalling, as whitey boy dub goes. Glad they put it all at the end though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JFtmMF4UIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIif5Ipn17g

Kerr, that Grant Hart record came out in 1989 or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1LrNtVltg

One reason I bought so many SST releases back then was because they smelled really good, for some reason. Too much information maybe. Also they always got marked down to about £1 in the Music & Video Exchange in Camden.

yeah good point. Dunno why wikipedia had it listed. Well its a great song anyway so those who havent heard it should play it, just dont vote for it. There's no point in redoing the poll.
xp

Grant really really needs a good collection of his best solo tracks. So many band names, so many records...

hey herman gag on my balls you started this you insignificant spittly mouthbreathing paste imo.

also learn how to spell favorite you ponce.

lol

weakest comeback ever

TEAM SHASTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2qYa8c-cA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsOwsdjVA1E&feature=PlayList&p=8635ECB3063A4B0B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUkFoiS4JoE

Are the saint vitus voting bloc going to show up this time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfipRGfknk

^ this actually sounds pretty good at this late date

xpost loved that Screaming Trees record, such a great psychedelic one-two punch with Happy Nightmare Baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_-6yuBkyyY

xpost iirc the Dinosaur Jr. EP was released to offically re-brand Dinosaur as Jr. after The Dinosaurs sued them. btw, anyone know how much the initial Dinosaur (no Jr) You're Living might be worth? having a hard time trying to parse it out.

I wish more people would check out early Screaming Trees, so many great songs on every album.

prolly about $30? maybe scott or ian would know.

I've got the first album and you're living all over me with no "jr".

xp

btw, anyone know how much the initial Dinosaur (no Jr) You're Living might be worth? having a hard time trying to parse it out.

I have this on cassette, probably worth $0.01?

nah dude, sell it to some chillwaver. grot=$$

wonder what was the average pressing of SST at the time? they weren't really underground at that point, I could find them at the mall in the 'Imports' section (must have been the same distro).

PS Aciiiiiiiid

Poledo should sound ever better on a dirty tape

this actually sounds pretty good at this late date

Damn straight. Falling James is one of my all time favourite rock singers.

I gave up on them with that Pay Day crap on the next album. Too soon?

The Negativland was an important part of my youth. The SY and Husker records came later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whqW8F_Clh4

not heard leaving trains actually, would you recommend?

I recommend the early stuff and the later stuff, it gets a bit iffy round the middle (some great tunes, some horrible ones).

So for sure check out Kill Tunes, Fuck, The Big Jinx, Smoke Follows Beauty and Emotional Legs. I haven't heard all of the early '90s stuff so there might be jems there. Also, their first album Well Down Blue Highway is quite different, more jangly, with keyboards (they were part of the Paisley Underground at the time, or so I've read).

ok, will check out

I wonder how many votes this poll will get

One of these
One of these

Slovenly Riposte
Tar Babies Fried Milk
Blind Idiot God Blind Idiot God
Dinosaur Jr You're Living All Over Me (probably this one for the impact it had on me at the time)

SST declined in the same manner as the big four ( Flag,Puppets,Minutemen and Huskers - esp. the owner's band)

Honorary mention in that list for Bl'ast
I'm still convinced that they must have been a piss take of Black Flag

Joe Carducci (from his blog)-

It was hard for midwesterners, easterners, and Europeans to really feel in sync with what was going on in L.A. In recent ILX board polls on the best SST releases by year, Husker Du seems to be the safer handle on the label. The L.A. bands (BF, Minutemen, Saccharine Trust, Stains, Descendents, Saint Vitus, Overkill…) plus the Meat Puppets were certainly respected but they could never be fully, comfortably, embraced.

Hey Joe, if you're still reading this, please sign up and say hi! I'm sure we would all love to hear more of what you have to say, especially on why you think the LA bands weren't fully embraced by us !
Minutemen are probably more loved on ILX than any other band on SST (contrary to these polls,which might just be because people felt HD were a bit under-appreciated round here)

-pfunkboy

(contrary to these polls,which might just be because people felt HD were a bit under-appreciated round here)

dude what powers of telepathy have led you to second guess all the voters on the poll?

Hi Joe, sorry for being so rude about Zoogz Rift and October Faction.

- Matt

talking about the previous polls, stevie

carducci's right tho, husker is fuzzy pop emo, not for nothing were they the first SST band to jump to a major

been listening to that blind idiot god record, dub stuff is more enjoyable than I remembered...

Murky production though

you are aware this is an SST poll, they invented murk

would also like to remind everyone the last song on that album is titled "raining dub"

do u know how many time zones there are in the soviet union

Wow this means carducci has read something I've written...?!

in soviet russia time zones you

maybe he only likes poll results so hasn't read anything ;)

http://newvulgate.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-04-14T05%3A30%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=1

Scroll down to the pic of ian & henry

do u know how many time zones there are in the soviet union

Nearly a toss up with Sister and You're Living... but had to go with Opal.

Joe Carducci OTM. Herman Neuname nicht so sehr.

Hmm, being from LA and listening to Husker Du at the time, I think it had more to do with their being more generally accessible.

yeah but Metal Circus (the worst Husker Du album) landsliding the first poll was pretty O_o and from then on out it was like every Minnesotan ilxor doubled their votes down on every poll. i called BS on every poll since much to Herman "pfunkboy" G. Neuname's displeasure, tbh kinda redeeming to see that Carducci is feeling the bizarro world of ilm as well.

Shasta out

Um this minnesota ilxor voted for no husker du in these polls, don't think jjjusten did either...

well you cant blame me for poll results or every Minnesotan ilxor voting for it.

or for them not voting for them either

I mean i love huskers but i breathe minutemen and meat puppets, there are traces of 'em in my blood. St Paul out.

i love all 3

but everyone has their own favoUrites

I voted Husker for '85, but not for '83 or '84 (Minutemen). In Madison, WI, at least, Black Flag drew the same numbers as Husker Du and were probably more popular outside punk. The metal fan in my 9th grade English class looked at the scrawl on my notebook and informed me that "all of these bands suck, except that one"--and pointed to Black Flag. But I love Joe and his poetic overgeneralizations.

I wonder if that metal fan bought rollins solo albums later

The metal fan in my 9th grade English class looked at the scrawl on my notebook and informed me that "all of these bands suck, except that one"--and pointed to Black Flag.

haha what year was that?

sorry Minnesotans by the way was just grasping at strawmen.

'84

What age is 9th grade? I was 11 in '84, started Secondary School in the August.

13-14

yeah but Metal Circus (the worst Husker Du album)

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:10 PM

far from it, avatar fanboy

painted willies

the blue people were cgi, no paint involved

No wonder they didn't understand what LA was like back then.

xpost same thing in my school. metalheads were down with My War to the punks' disdain Metal vs Punk wars ragin full on at that point - we needed Black Flag and Suicidal Tendencies and DRI to bring us all together.

metallica brought both sides together in a big way in my scene, punk rockers were shedding tears over Burton.

yah as i recall there was like zero interest in husker du in my MN middle school/HS, it was all black flag (at least re:SST) - the only local punk thing peeps gave a shit about was the suburbs, weirdly enough

not to say that the suburbs arent fucking awesome, which they are, but they were def pretty bizarro art fuck in comparison to most stuff

'Husker who? Get outta my way I'm gonna be late for the Curtiss A show'

xpost that reminds of me of how many punk rockers (me certainly) were down with The Wallets.

oh John this reminds me, did I ever mention that one of the dudes I used to sing with mentioned offhandedly to me that Chan Poling was his cousin?

also I liked Husker Du a lot and so did Mookie!

i have this theory that husker du got the third seat treatment in general because they didnt have a fucking awesome logo you could write on your notebook cover, hence black flag and DK popularity.

zpost oh yeah im not saying that no one liked them, it just didnt seem as overarching as other shit did in my somewhat flimsy memory

Yes. SST bands in general did not understand how u & k it was to have a cool, minimal, notebook-drawable logo.

lol I drew both the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag logos on a bunch of my stuff and I kind of hated both of them

IF I DO NOT HAVE YOUR LOGO MAGIC MARKERED ON MY TEAL CONVERSE ALL STAR HIGH TOP YOU HAVE FAILED AS A PUNK ROCK BAND

sort of a manifesto of the times

back in the day, amongst the general punks fans, I agree that BF were more important. but who was consistently getting 4 and 5 star reviews in rolling stone? I think that informed the general music fan's knowledge of SST, and partly explains why husker du kills at these polls.

getting into some strawman territory here but I think yr average college rock fans, folks jamming on vampire weekend and the killers and arcade fire, would dig husker du a lot more than they would black flag.

and it always seemed like husker du fared a lot better in europe than black flag, particularly the UK, where BF was viewed as stupidly violent hardcore garbage for yabbos and husker du was the thinking man's loud band.

I remember reading the rolling stone issue that reviewed both zen arcade and double nickels, and the minutemen were definitely not the comparative winners there.

B-b-but the Dü HAD a logo...? And it seems like it would be pretty easy to draw...?

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Husker_Du_logo.png

okay it was just a half a star difference, but husker du is the one getting compared to opera o_O

Husker Du - Zen Arcade 4 of 5 Stars
Minutemen - Double Nickels On The Dime 3.5 of 5 Stars

The changing face of American hardcore punk still isn't very pretty. But in open defiance of the cretin hop that dominates the genre, outlaw bands like the California trio the Minutemen and Hüsker Dü, a threesome from Minneapolis, are now taking punk at its word, resubscribing to the freeing-up of forgotten energies and articulate rage it originally stood for. These two albums – double LPs, rare in a medium that often demands brevity at the cost of expression – are landmark punk works, because the chances they take and the earnest fury that drives them not only challenge the "no future" dictum, they are the blueprint for a brave new music.

Zen Arcade is probably the closest hardcore will ever get to an opera. A kind of thrash Quadrophenia, it traces a young buck's passage through a series of social and emotional wastelands, whipping like a Japanese bullet train through bristling, unadorned folk ("Never Talking to You Again"), surprisingly poignant bamalama (the icy death lament "Pink Turns to Blue") and awesome white-noise constructions and backward tape tricks (the trippy raga collage "Hare Krsna"). Hüsker Dü is as hard and fast as they come; an earlier release was called Land Speed Record. But guitarist Bob Mould's holocaust fuzz attack and frenzied solos are so densely packed with high-jump harmonics – note the metallic, Coltranesque explosions on the LP's long instrumental climax, "Recurring Dreams" – that less-than-two-minute dashes like "Something I Learned Today" and "Beyond the Threshold" sound practically panoramic. Although the barking lead vocals, which are shared by Mould and drummer Grant Hart, often obscure lyric bull's-eyes like "With all the ways of communicating/We can't get in touch with who we're hating" ("Turn On the News"), there is no mistaking the desperate conviction behind Zen Arcade's almighty roar.

The Minutemen's bitter pill is even harder to swallow. True to their name, they cram Double Nickels on the Dime with an incredible forty-five songs. But within these dizzy spurts (the group's version of Van Halen's "Ain't Talkin' 'bout Love" clocks in at thirty-eight seconds), they challenge hardcore convention with the abrupt cut-and-swipe of funky interjections like "Political Song for Michael Jackson to Sing" and the softer confessional tone of "'History Lesson – Part II," a touching Minutemen autobiography ("Our band could be your life"). The telegraphic stutter and almost scientific angularity of singer-guitarist D. Boon's chordings and breakneck solos heighten the jazzier tangents he dares to take. Drummer Mike Watt and bassist George Hurley's playing is just as tight and reckless.

Double Nickel's best moments go by much too quickly. Still, the breathlessness of it all and the brittle, naked production bring the Minutemen's introspective torture ("Storm in My House") and prickly humor ("The Roar of the Masses Could Be Farts") to graphic life. And if neither of these records is particularly easy listening, neither are they arrogant, self-absorbed blasts of childish sloganeering. What hardcore promises, these albums really deliver.
-DAVID FRICKE

Zen Arcade: The Musical

Awesome! Maybe they can use some of the music for the Spider-Man musical that isn't going to be used now.

^^^which was written by Bono and The Edge. Husker Du reconceived by U2 for Broadway!

Something I learned today (ba-da!)
Black-and-white is
al, ways, grey (horn stab)

Stuuuupid [eye contact with audience] brat!

lol

http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/422/017732_10_1297322143.jpg

I WILL
I WILL
I WILL
I WILL NEVER FORGET YOU

this thing writes itself.

the single spotlight on Our Hero as he packs a bag singing a melancholy 'Never Talking to You Again', parents pantomime arguing on stage left...

closing number with the whole cast shouting

turn on TURN ON
turn on TURN ON
turn on TURN ON
The News!

If Julie Taymor directed it I'd probably go (giant puppets during Hare Krsna etc.)

hahaha

wrong album but

We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats
And get the catskins for nothing!

http://www.inmediainc.com/demo/2/family.jpg

hahahahahaha

huh i have literally never seen that husker du logo in my life

but you know i dont go to the opera so

once again proving that nothing brings comedy to an ILM thread quicker than RS reviews from the 80s

Also CONTROVERSIAL OPINION david fricke needs to cut his hair.

Hmm, being from LA and listening to Husker Du at the time, I think it had more to do with their being more generally accessible.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^ nights at the opera aside, this is OTM and what it's about

minutemen probably had the 2nd best chances of going big above ground but - straight talk - their singers, from a technical perspective, sucked

Edward III OTM. Flag were the crucial SST band for punk people. Still are. But label-defining bands like Minutemen, Meat Puppets and Husker Du (as they developed) weren't exactly playing according to then-dominant punk rules or strictly for punk audiences. And this only became more pronounced as SST moved deeper into metal, hard rock, proto-indie/post-punk, experimental noise, jazz, etc. By the time you get to 1987, with influential releases by the likes of Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth, Negativland and Saint Vitus, punk points and logo-appeal clearly weren't big concerns. At that point, the label seems to have been more concerned with and important to developing indie culture. I.e., the story shouldn't be that "outsiders" glommed onto bands like Husker Du because they were easy and Rolling Stone told them to. The label itself was moving out into a bigger and less rigidly defined musical world, inviting a broad and musically curious audience in the process.

you left out the crucial point of support for your argument there that is "greg ginn really really likes money"

woah contenderizer, where have you been?

yeah was wondering that myself!

btw not calling these bands sellouts or whatever, just saying that ginn wasnt just expanding the audience for some sort of artistic reason, it was also a fairly savvy business move to widen the net while maintaining the whole corporate rock sucks veneer.

That sounds right, there was a real transition. By the late 80s SST was making a lot of music that indie people loved. I was surprised by how many Christmas fans were chiming in on the SST poll a few weeks back until I remembered they opened for the Du on the Warehouse tour.

savvy business person greg ginn

ginn wasnt just expanding the audience for some sort of artistic reason, it was also a fairly savvy business move to widen the net while maintaining the whole corporate rock sucks veneer.

I suppose. Don't know him, so can't say. Personally, I'd say that the label's artistic instincts and aesthetic vision remained compelling and credibly personal, even as they sought and found a larger audience. I mean, you can track the way the label changed in the way Flag's sound changed.

And hi all! I have been on this couch all along.

Personally, I'd say that the label's artistic instincts and aesthetic vision remained compelling and credibly personal, even as they sought and found a larger audience and then lost it by issuing endless zoogz rift albums.

hai sorry just had to fix that for you

Predicting tears when Negativland wins this.

It will probably be Opal

The race for 3rd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZvhriXo4po

Skip to around 2:45

I probably should have just ran this one for a week. I thought by giving it 2 weeks others might check out some albums they dont know before voting. Will make the next one a 1 week poll I think.

so does everyone think this was the weakest year yet? Or same amount of great albums as before but with extra crap released on top?

a really great year, with a lot of crap (new and reissue) obscuring that fact

I'll second that. It was a new generation at SST, there were new people running the label too, it's a different era but that doesn't make it worse.

Wait up, that's a part of the SST story that's new to me. Who left, who was new? And wasn't it always basically Ginn's baby?

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Maybe someone from LA will be along shortly to tell you what happened dad a

I finally read Carducci's piece on Naomi and I think I got his answer - in 86 when Black Flag broke up the label was taken (back) over by Greg Ginn because he wasn't busy touring, so he had time to complete the process of driving away (weeding out?) the bands that made the label and the underpaid music fanatics on staff.

Who left, who was new? And wasn't it always basically Ginn's baby?

D. Boon's death was a turning point, or at least that's the feeling I got from Rollins in 'Get In The Van'. Soon after that Black Flag broke up, Carducci (who had been label manager) left, Spot all but vanished from the credits on SST record sleeves, and Ginn took the label national, signing bands from much further afield, exploiting the networks they'd helped to establish through touring, etc. Whereas Black Flag was the flagship of the early years, suddenly now you had Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr and other bands from the east coast who perfectly illustrated what would come to be known at 'alternative'. At the same time, growing SST bigger allowed him to indulge his own musical predilections. Maybe he was trying to leave a legacy? Who knows - he threw it all away in the '90s.

he had time to complete the process of driving away (weeding out?) the bands that made the label

He didn't drive everyone away, at least at first: Watt and Hurley and the Meat Puppets hung on in there till 1989/1990.

brings back memories, esp. Blind Idiot God and that HR "Human Rights" album! I remember around that time the local indie record shop had their own SST section!

MacDara otm. there wasn't any huge exodus of key bands after '86. some (a few) went on to major labels, some broke up, some just petered out.

Dinosaur Jr haven't been mentioned much on this thread, are they going to be the "i cant believe they got hardly any votes" band in this poll? Or are there lots of pitchforkian lurkers who dont like Sonic Youth?

I voted Dinosaur back on the 13th. love the others to death but come on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnaMpzgHMn8

yeah, i voted dinosaur too.

I threw a point to Where You Been -- awesome album, v. underrated.

xpostin' to MacDara and contenderizer: didn't mean to imply that 86 or 87 was some sort of death knell -- If anything 87 feels like they were resurgent, getting more of the audience and attention they'd long deserved. Just saying that the bad blood Ginn brewed within Black Flag had a chance to be directed fulltime at the home office by this point, and no doubt that had an effect, eventually.

But I know better than to dump so much blame on him for bands leaving or breaking up. SST sounds like it operated something like a collective of otherwise autonomous anarchist bands that shared some aspects of a similar vision/sense of purpose, but each with its own internal issues/divisions, and with its own conflicted relationship to the collective. And all of them (bands and relationships) evolving rapidfire, and with everyone pretty much broke. An absurdly unmanageable proposition. Without much public attention/outside financial support, it's miraculous that SST held together so long.

And held together so well. Here's this poll for 1987, a time 8-9 years after the label started up, when many main bands had departed, and their output still was colossal - another year whose ten best SST releases stack up just fine against any year from any other label anywhere. Ginn deserves so much credit and praise for that. Impossible without him, I'd think. The indie distribution network was so patchwork at this point compared to even a few years later, even the best support SST could muster could never have matched what major labels routinely did (and do) for records they plan to quickly cutout in bulk. No surprise when bands tired of their greatest efforts getting limited exposure; the surprise is how long the big name bands held on.

Also: his primary gig was awesome BF guitarist, any further achievements only serve to shine that reputation. Decades of post-peak Cruz releases shouldn't change that.

Also: In The Land of the Yahoos still holds up.

Yeah, i voted dinosaur too.

Heard Litttle Fury Things for the first time on John Peel and it was instant <3<3<3

Screaming trees and dinosaur jr appear to be doing well then judging by the posts on the thread, I expect the doom guys to vote st vitus into double figures but I still cant see Sister getting beat.

^ astute

Ginn deserves so much credit and praise for that. Impossible without him, I'd think...
Also: his primary gig was awesome BF guitarist, any further achievements only serve to shine that reputation.

Agreed. One can bring up the dodgy accounting practices and the Negativland thing and whatnot, but no one disses him as a guitarist. And besides, the shady dealings surrounding Homestead Records make SST seem like a model business!

voted for Huevos, which is really up there with II and Up On The Sun as one of the Puppets' best imo

Mirage and Huevos are both great.

I hope they get some votes

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ok I would not have called pell mell to come in at #9

rest seems about right

tho this is kinda o_O

Sonic Youth Confusion Is Sex 0

considering the first EP got a vote

Glad that this wasn't the Sonic Youth / Dino Jr walkover I was expecting.

i don't think i've ever heard the negativland album. i didn't know it was so popular.

Still got over 100 votes in the poll, I'm impressed.

Man, if Zoogz Rift ever sees these polls, we're in for a suicide for sure. I mean, what does the man have to do to get some respect?

i don't know why anyone would vote for a reissue of a 1983 record in this poll no matter how much they like it

it was kinda hard to get a hold of until SST reissued it tbh

does that mean when you think of the album, time-wise, you think of it as a 1987 album? i mean i didn't hear any of the old SY albums until Geffen reissued them in '93, but it makes no sense for me to think of them in those terms.

not really, it's definitely an album of its time

but if you were actively buying SST records in 1987, seeing confusion is sex get issued was sort of a big deal if you were an SY fan at the time, which I was

ok can anyone tell me what 8 albums i should leave off the 1988 poll? It appears there's 58 albums.

069 Various Artists Chunks
092 Various Artists Cracks In The Sidewalk
105 Screaming Trees Other Worlds
127 Cruel Frederick The Birth Of The Cruel
131 fIREHOSE Sometimes
142 Descendents Milo Goes To College
143 Descendents I Don't Want To Grow Up
144 Descendents Bonus Fat
145 Descendents Two Things At Once
146 Sylvia Juncosa Nature
147 Fred Frith & Henry Kaiser With Enemies Like These, Who Needs Friends?
153 SWA Arroyo
154 Pat Ruthensmear Ruthensmear
155 Sonic Youth Master-Dik
160 Bad Brains Live
161 Saint Vitus Mournful Cries
162 Sister Double Happiness Sister Double Happiness
163 Descendents Liveage
168 Ras Michael Zion Train
169 Tar Babies No Contest
172 Fred Frith The Technology Of Tears
173 H.R. Now You Say
176 Divine Horsemen Handful Of Sand
178 Painted Willie Relics
179 H.R. It's About Luv
180 Universal Congress Of Prosperous And Qualified
181 Sonic Youth Sonic Death
182 Everett Shock Ghost Boys
184 Zoogz Rift Non-Entity: Water III, Fan Black Dada
185 Alter-Natives Group Therapy
186 Brian Ritchie Nuclear War
187 Brian Ritchie Atomkrieg
188 Screaming Trees Invisible Lantern
189 Last Confession
190 Das Damen Triskaidekaphobe
191 Mofungo Bugged
192 Run Westy Run Hardly, Not Even
193 Always August Geography
194 Elliott Sharp/Carbon Larynx
196 Paul Roessler Abominable
197 Trotsky Icepick Baby
198 Henry Kaiser Those Who Know History Are Doomed To Repeat It
199 Run Westy Run Run Westy Run
200 Paper Bag Music To Trash
201 Soundgarden Ultramega OK
202 Brian Ritchie Sonic Temple And Court Of Babylon
203 Roger Manning Roger Manning
204 Universal Congress Of This Is Mecolodics
205 Descendents Hallraker
206 Angst Cry For Happy
207 Treacherous Jaywalkers Good Medicine
210 Volcano Suns Farced
216 Dinosaur Jr Bug
218 Das Damen Marshmellow Conspiracy
219 Grant Hart 2541
222 Henry Kaiser Re-Marrying For Money
223 Kirk Kelly Go Man Go
227 Brian Ritchie Sun Ra-Man From Outer Space

142 Descendents Milo Goes To College
143 Descendents I Don't Want To Grow Up
144 Descendents Bonus Fat
145 Descendents Two Things At Once
are all reissues right?

man, why bother

I mean I remember liking that volcano suns record but boy what a bunch of middling records

I said I'd take it up to 89 then macdara will takeover for the 90s

so please help me out with what needs left out so i am under 50 options

is there anything special about the v/a comps? leave them off otherwise

actually chunks and cracks in the sidewalk are both new alliance reissues so leave them off

iirc

ok the two comps and the 4 descendents. anymore?

sonic death a reish as well

Leave off these:

155 Sonic Youth Master-Dik
181 Sonic Youth Sonic Death
188 Screaming Trees Invisible Lantern
201 Soundgarden Ultramega OK
216 Dinosaur Jr Bug

nice try with the last 3

Better not really leave off Master-Dik, I may vote for that sucker.

i wasnt going to

"WARNING: not as good as Atomizer so don't get your hopes up, cheese"

I say leave off that live Descendents album.

based on this result you can leave off Zoogz Rift.

isn't that frith/kaiser album a comp of previously released stuff?

grasping at straws here tbh

I'm always up for bagging on zoogz tho

ok Favourite SST Release of... 1988

Feel free to discuss 87 and the results here though.

I said I'd take it up to 89 then macdara will takeover for the 90s

Thanks for the reminder! I'm gonna need a couple of weeks to find the hour or so I need to put it together.

Well you have 2 weeks til the 88 then the 89 are over.

Oh nice, 14 votes for the Screaming Trees! I really do love that album.

yeah that was great to see