Paul's Boutique vs Abbey Road

Hmmm... the Egg Man versus the Sun King.

Love Abbey Road to death, heard Paul's once.

I actually just decided to delete Paul's Boutique out of my iTunes this weekend. I hadn't listened to it in a few years and couldn't really even picture myself listening to it in the near future.

Paul's Boutique is like top 10 of all time for me. Kind of shocked to hear this!

paul's boutique is my favourite beastie boys album. it totally blew me away when i first heard it. I just like abbey road. i am 25.

Yeah, it's a challopy position I know. I'm not saying I don't respect it as an album a masterpiece, but at the same time for entirely personal reasons it's hard for me to associate it with anything other than driving around and getting stoned in high school, which isn't where I'm at right now.

Oh yes, I'm 31.

Just for "Because" alone.

...and I was thinking about Abbey Road just yesterday while listening to Sabbath.

voted paul's, because its awesome, and an album i've listened to long enough and often enough that i know it forwards, backwards, inside out... i also heard it early enough in my life that i've had that weird relationship with a lot of its samples that you mention above - similarly, when i first heard the superfly album, i had plenty of those sampling-induced 'deja vu' moments.

Paul's Boutique tho, I think is more fun to sing along to, and when I first saw this poll I thought it would be a much tougher choice. Best funny/badass mishmash of samples on an album I have ever heard.

The Eagle's sample alone is worth price of admission.

See, in pretty much every case when I listen to Paul's Boutique I can't help but hearing the sample source and I'm thefor the majority of sample-based music though, so I'm not sure what I'm even on about.

Paul's boutique is amazing, a landmark record, and something of a "rite of passage" kinda album for me (I am 36) but come on... THE BEATLES

Paul's, absolutely no contest. (35)

whoops.

... can't help but hearing the sample source and thinking "why am I not listening to Isley Brothers or whatever?" And it's not like I even knew who the Isley's were when I first heard Paul's Boutique - it has very much served, and continues to serve, as a primer to me for shit I need to hear. And it's not like I feel the same way for the majority of sample-based music though, so I'm not sure what I'm even on about.

speaking of OG sample sources, heard this one for the first time recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuCYzqiuBk

Abbey Road is fucking shit. Totally fucking unlistenable.

The other is pretty dope, and has Shake Yr Rump.

re: samples

yeah, sample deja vu with Paul's is pretty much unavoidable when it's like Superfly or Funky 4+1 or Lightnin Rod or "AJ Scratch" or whatev; but with something as embedded in the very fabric of HUMANITY like the BEATLES it seems almost like i'm blaspheming or something. It's like not being able to hear "Stand By Me" without thinking of Sean Kingston or something

It's a close call, but I think Paul's Boutique for me. (46)

I heard Paul's Boutique way before I heard Abbey Road (or lots of the other records sampled) all the way through so hearing the source of those samples kind of messed with my head - same way when I first heard Pink Flag and couldn't figure out how Wire was covering REM on a record that had come out ten years earlier.

Paul's is probably one of my top ten favorite records (35).

oh and i'm 22.

Like License To Ill was the first album I ever bought, but I can still hear "When The Levee Breaks" and not go, "BECCCCCAAAAAAUSSSE"

but i def heard Paul's before Abbey Road

It's like not being able to hear "Stand By Me" without thinking of Sean Kingston or something

I think I've just started to get over my umbrage at that sample : )

Heard Abbey Road 1st, didn't hear much worth remembering (Come Together and the George songs are cool, I guess.)

Dude.

paul's boutique--huge beatles fan here and lots of good individual songs on abbey road, but album for album, paul's

Paul's was my #1 album of the year it came out, though I overrated it then; only things I really still love on it are "Shake Your Rump," "To All The Girls," and (especially) "A Year And A Day." Hard for me to argue those add up to more than, say, "Come Together," "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" (the root of "Maggot Brain"!) and, uh, "Something" or "Here Comes The Sun" or whatever. But I don't think I've ever played Abbey Road for pleasure, not even once, and never even owned a copy (the Beatles were my older brother's music), so I'm voting the Beasties. And oh yeah, I'm pushing 50.

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" (the root of "Maggot Brain"!)

Glad to know I'm not the only one who's had this thought! (Although it really shouldn't surprise me that anyone else put it together.)

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

Paul's, absolutely no contest. (35)

― Please Do Not Swagga Jack Me (Matos W.K.)

My soul brother.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who's had this thought! (Although it really shouldn't surprise me that anyone else put it together.)

chord progressions are very similar

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

um isn't this everybody

xp: I don't think the chord progressions are similar so much as the triplet-time guitar arpeggios that play them

McCartney should open a record store specializing in the albums the Beasties sampled and call it Paul's Boutique.

check your head was one of THE stonerskater albums of its time. lots of people were into it who never even heard paul's.
Abbey has some really good tunes, but overall it's Paul's (i'm 31)

I like Check Your Head way more than Paul's Boutique.

also no fucking way can an album with the song "maxwell's silver hammer" beat paul's boutique

Since I was young enough to remember, lots of people bought PB after Check Yr Head. The Beasties became college radio cool on the back of an okay album not nearly as good as the albums released before and after it.

xp Well, given that Eddie Hazel wound up covering "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" on a solo album, it's pretty obvious he liked the song a lot.

Check Your Head is when I stopped liking the Beasties, pretty much.

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

um isn't this everybody

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 19, 2010 12:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think it's because paul's boutique is more influential, or came first maybe? i've only ever heard internet ppl talk about 'paul's boutique is the best beastie boys album.' i guess people i know irl are just outliers and weirdos.

paul's came out when i was religiously watching yo mtv raps all the time, and "shake your rump" got a decent amount of play (though i always wonder if that was cuz fab 5 freddy was probably OG NYC hip hop/art scene bros with them)...but overall the general sense among hip hop fans was that they were on some weird shit and it wasn't as hype as licensed to ill

PB was a commercial bomb compared to its predecessor (and successors – SUCKcessors too).

but with something as embedded in the very fabric of HUMANITY like the BEATLES it seems almost like i'm blaspheming or something.

yeah but its not like the opening chord of 'help!' is it? even the beatles had some Deep Album Cuts

oh yeah it was a clear "failure" after License to Ill. came out while I was still in high school and didn't attract much attention (I loved the videos, personally, especially the Hey Ladies one), but yeah I guess most of my friends didn't pay attention to it until after Check You Head came out.

I remember that my friends all started listening to PB around the same time that Ill Communication came out and I got them mixed up all the time because it was this sudden onslaught of "new" Beastie material.

PB-CYH-ILLCOMMS = infallible trilogy for me btw

funny thing is that PB eventually sold as much as CYH (both are currently 2x platinum), but PB took 6 years to hit a million sold where CYH only took a year.

AR is far from my favorite Beatles album/era, but I'm so ambivalent bordering on completely fucking sick of the Beasties that I can't imagine me wanting to vote for PB even if I'd ever sat down and listened to it in full.

Okay, so "She's so Heavy" chords vs. "Maggot Brain" chords

"She's So Heavy"
Dm(i), E9/7(V-of-V), Bb7(VI)

"Maggot Brain"
Em(i), D(VII), Bm(v), C(VI)

Both use minor scales, starting on a (i) and ending on a (VI). They fill out the middle a bit differently, but yeah, pretty similar. Both tunes are heavily pentatonic, too.

AR is far from my favorite Beatles album/era, but I'm so ambivalent bordering on completely fucking sick of the Beasties that I can't imagine me wanting to vote for PB even if I'd ever sat down and listened to it in full.

― a hoy hoy young mess (some dude), Monday, April 19, 2010 9:27 AM Bookmark

basically sums my feelings exactly except for that AR is my favorite Beatles.

I know and like them both absolutely equally. I think I got into them at the same time too, although I didn't notice the Beatles sampling till a bit later.

ambivalent bordering on completely fucking sick of the Beasties

It's okay to share your feelings man, it's cool.

how is it they've never gotten their asses sued by the Beatles anyway

I can imagine Paul and Ringo grooving to it.

I'm 38. I've never heard a whole Beatles album front to back. The songs I have heard, I generally don't like. Though sometimes I enjoy cover versions, as with the aforementioned Eddie Hazel version of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" or Mötley Crüe's version of "Helter Skelter." On the other hand, I bought Paul's Boutique on the day it came out and have never not owned a copy since. I've listened to it hundreds of times, it's in my iPod right now, I love it and think nothing the Beastie Boys have done since has been 1/64 as good.

PB-CYH-ILLCOMMS = infallible trilogy for me btw

I tried to listen to Ill Communication all the way through a couple months ago. it was a chore. they really overdid it with that distorted vox effect.

yeah but its not like the opening chord of 'help!' is it? even the beatles had some Deep Album Cuts

That's kind of the problem with Abbey Road: nearly every part of it suffers (for me) from classic-rock radio overkill. Not that I dislike it at all; I just never need to hear it again. Though I voted Paul's because I think it is, straight up, the better album. I probably never need to hear it again either, in real-world terms. Wouldn't turn either of them off if, say, someone put it on in a car on a road trip. (They'd both sound GREAT there, I'm sure.)

Eddie Hazel version is cool but it's nothing on the OG. xxp

I never heard any of Abbey Road except for "Come Together"/"Something"/"Here Comes the Sun" until I sat down and listened to it myself.

Two of my favourite albums ever, but two I rarely listen to regularly now. Cheesiness, but both completely rewired my music-listening brain. In fact it was the moment when Sounds of Science morphed into the 'End' guitar chords that the deal was sealed, so these two seem inherently connected when I reminisce about my favourite music.

I heard Abbey Road at 13 (Beatles were my first favourite band, burned myself out on 1 at age 10..listened to albums properly as an early teenager) and Paul's at 16.

I picked Paul's just because AR isn't even my favourite Beatles (that would be Revolver).

they really overdid it with that distorted vox effect.

see, i can't get enough of that sound.

Droppin science like Galileo dropped the orange

I'm probably totally odd here in this thread for never having heard either of these albums until adulthood (and Paul's only quite recently).

yeah I don't hear any AR cuts on classic rock apart from the two George hits and Come Together...?

(speaking of which, was recently fascinated by the suggestion that each verse in Come Together is a description of one of the Beatles, which had never occurred to me before. pretty sure I have every single Beasties lyric on Paul's Boutique sussed out, by comparison)

I still rock Abbey Road on the regular and feel more burnt out on PB, which is what I based my vote on.

xp

I'm probably totally odd here in this thread for never having heard either of these albums until adulthood (and Paul's only quite recently).

― autogoon the news (The Reverend), Monday, April 19, 2010 12:40 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah I think I didn't really hear AR or really almost any Beatles albums in full until I was maybe 18 or 19, and as I said upthread still haven't listened to Paul's

yeah, that was about the age I first heard AR

I heard the entire medley on classic rock radio over New Years. It was as part of some "best rock and roll songs of the last 50 years" though. It came in around 400 : P

^talking about the Abbey Road medley obvs, not B-Boy Boulliabaise.

weird thing w/ me is I totally marinated in classic rock growing up, but my household was more of a Stones family and there was just not a lot of Beatles in the air

and Revolver, never started listening to their albums other than those two until the past few months (big Beatles kick lately)

xp to myself

xp do they play *any* hip-hop on classic rock radio...honestly curious as a UK person.

hahaha of course not

hip hop isn't music, duh

other things you don't hear on classic rock radio: black people, women (exceptions: Heart, maybe Joan Jett), queers

I just didn't hear a huge lot of classic rock growing up, period. Even my mom who was more into that sort of stuff than my dad (more of a jazz/funk listener) wasn't much invested in music/didn't really buy albums, etc.

I guess...does the invention of the classic rock radio 'format', directly coincide with the rise of hip-hop?

Asked the question because I was thinking of classic rock radio-friendly non-rock, surely Stax/Motown or Chic even could fit in amongst the Beatles and Stones.

Idea for followup thread: Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees and Soundgarden's Superunknown

they barely play the beatles or stones on classic rock stations!

a lot of classic rock stations have started to move their timeline up to the late '80s, but they're mainly playing stuff like U2 or G'n'R. on the other hand most 'modern rock' stations play tons of Beasties along with a weird spotty selection of other crossover hip hop acts (Cypress Hill, Outkast, Eminem, etc). it will not shock me when i hear a classic rock station play "Fight For Your Right" for the first time.

other things you don't hear on classic rock radio: black people, women (exceptions: Heart, maybe Joan Jett), queers

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 19, 2010 12:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

They play "Rocket Man" a lot. Otherwise, otm.

and uh 20 different Queen songs

3 Queen songs that I can think of.

I guess...does the invention of the classic rock radio 'format', directly coincide with the rise of hip-hop?

assuming you date the rise of hip-hop (i.e., chart-dominating ascendancy) to the late '90s, no definitely not. classic rock radio format was well in-place by the early (80s) if not earlier. although yeah they've been moving the timeline forward - originally classic rock playlists would have included 50s stuff (Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc.), a decade which has now been completely excised from radio. classic rock playlists now don't delve into anything earlier than like 1967, and even that is kinda rare.

xp

Billboard introduced its "album rock radio" chart in late '81.

3 Queen songs that I can think of.

Bohemian Rhapsody, Another One Bites the Dust/We Are the Champions and that's pretty much it. MAYBE Fat-Bottomed Girls if the DJ's feelin charitable.

had to listen to a LOT of classic rock radio while painting the house lately...

iirc, the classic rock station that was always on the air when I worked somewhere that always played a classic rock station played a lot of Sly, War (this may be a West Coast peculiarity, they are HUUUUGE among my parents' set), occasionally Stax/Motown/Aretha, some Jimi (but not really as much Jimi as you would expect)

definitely not Chic tho

definitely a lot of Elton and Queen

xp: yeah, I was counting AOBTD/WATC as separate songs too!

xp Yes should've been clearer there, I actually meant its ascendancy into the world of pop music (early 80s onwards), not necessarily its commercial peak (late 90s sounds right). I think a better way to think about classic rock radio is a oldies/newies binary, the retirement home and the playground. Like, which kind of listener would want to tune into Madonna/Prince/Jacko and the Stones?

*from its inception that is...obviously timelines of playlists shift.

Queen songs I have definitely heard on classic rock radio:

Killer Queen
Bohemian Rhapsody
You're My Best Friend
Somebody to Love
We Will Rock You
We Are the Champions
Fat Bottomed Girls
Bicycle Race
Crazy Little Thing Called Love
Play the Game
Another One Bites the Dust
Under Pressure

that's a good dozen

I think I've heard Bohemian Rhapsody on basically every major UK station. What a well-loved song that is.

"Mike D was playing the tracks for me. They started with a drum that was obviously from the intro to "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." And I said, "I don't know if you can do that." And right as I said that, a guitar line from Abbey Road came in, and you realized that there were two Beatles samples. Mike said, "Well, hopefully they'll be able to work it out." And I said, "Mike, come on, man, it's the Beatles." He goes, "Yeah. I know. But what could be cooler than being sued by the Beatles?" - Tim Carr (former A&R executive/Capitol Records), excerpted from The Skills to Pay the Bills by Alan Light, 2005

lol

ha

yeah good to get the thread back on track

What kind of input did the Beastie Boys even have with the music to PB? From what I remember at the time, The Dust Brothers had planned on releasing most of the tracks on PB as an instrumental LP but the Beastie Boys had convinced them to let them rap over them.

That said, I'd love to hear the instrumental version of pb the way the dust bros had intended without those corny ass vox.

Another One Bites the Dust/We Are the Champions

yeah ILX is the place to go for classic-rock radio playlist experts LOL!!!

sorry I hate Queen, can't be bothered to keep their songs straight lol

What kind of input did the Beastie Boys even have with the music to PB?

yeah not a lot. they did the backing track for Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun and I think the intro/outro Idris Muhammad loop and that's it...?

a lot of the tracks were done before they even got there. dust bros were just cooking a lot of that shit up for their own amusement

That said, I'd love to hear the instrumental version of pb the way the dust bros had intended without those corny ass vox.

you can get a pretty clear idea of this from some of the b-sides/EPs (Love American Style/A Night with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego)

the album they did for Tone Loc is awesome btw

Ponce De Leon constantly on, the fountain of youth not Robotron

(xpost there's this. I tried downloading this last week but I'm on an old computer and it would not unpack. if it works for anyone else, please, please please feel free to take it to Leo)

Abbey Road is The Beatles' 3rd, maybe even 4th, best album. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album of all time. My vote is for Paul's.

Chuckles to Alfred's Boz Scaggs v. Soundgarden comment.

But look at how the Beasties 'interact' with a lot of the samples, say a sampled voice answering a lyric, or completing a rhyme (it's the joint, you're gonna get yours). I doubt they wrote their raps around where these little details were placed...I'm sure they were able to modify the musical content themselves. It's too seamless for them to just be rapping over the Dust bros pre-made beats.

The 33 1/3 book should have all the answers..

I am not a rap expert, but I do not believe that Paul's Boutique is the best rap album of all time.

Paul's Boutique is the best rap album of all time.

ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh

THE FROTHING AND WILD GESTICULATING BEGINS!!!

No really, fuck the whole idea of that.

on the Rev's side here...

We already had a thread on that:

The Best Rap Album EVER?

I am a rap expert and Paul's Boutique is not the greatest rap record of all time.

Abbey Road is the greatest rock record of all time tho haha

trap = sprung

True story: Was on a plane with Macho Man when an old lady begged him to yell "SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!" After much urging from the woman, the peripheral seats, and the stewardesses, he complied, and the whole plane erupted in applause.

:D

I never 'got' paul's boutique...always feels like a dull and drawn out sample collage. I think the dust brothers failed here and but got it right w/ odelay...same thing, but the songs have some drive to them / can be played on the radio.

btw I'm 23 so I wasn't around to have this blow my mind.

and regardless, basically nothing fucks w/ abbey road.

Also true: Even on an airplane ride he wears those sunglasses and neon pink and yellow frills. But this was also 10 years ago, at the height of SLIM JIM mania, so who knows what his current sartorial preference is.

Slim Jim Mania

lol just got yr screen-name btw

Milton & Shakey might appreciate this: I attended a benefit show in LA (April 96?) that featured as the between-band-music The Dust Brothers recreating Paul's Boutique on 4 turntables. There were about 5 main stage acts so each DJ set was one side of PB. It was really dense and deep sounding, especially on a live PA. They were just rifling through carefully stacked discs with notes taped all over the sides, each guy had 2 handlers assisting.

So, which reminds me of something that sometimes comes to mind: PB is a Dust Brothers record. What was Hurricane's role in the whole thing?

to play the songs on tour

both these albums are kind of wearying imo

also Paul's isn't the best rap album of all time, but it's in the top 10 for sure

I don't even think the rapping's very good on it!

the singing's not very good on Highway 61 Revisited either

xp what's the best?

something by paul barman

you guys, clearly if bob dylan isn't a good singer, paul's boutique is the best rap album of all time

Neither is as good as it is purported to be, but "Abbey Road" is definitely better.

xp what's the best?

― Davek (davek_00), Monday, April 19, 2010 2:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

have we met? :)

umm..

possibly?

Hahaha, nevermind!

It's Nation Of Millions

I share a name with one of the biggest experts on Jamaican music and Lee Scratch Perry so maybe that's something.

Thought it would be PE heheheh.

2. Supreme Clientele

2 is Raising Hell, new jack! :P

It's an opinion, but I really think there's a sense of vision to PB that separates it from most albums, rap or otherwise. I like the Beasties' approach on PB, one they could never top, which is just that they borrow liberally, saying to themselves and everyone else, "Hey, we can do what we want! The possibilities are endless!" Obviously the state of sampling made so much of this possible at the time and impossible for most other albums in the future, but I love that spirit, where the irreverence of the music feels like it has a greater purpose.

Greatest hip-hop album ever: Sensational's Loaded With Power.

Both records are peak achievements for their respective genres (AB= studio-rock; PB = sampling), which is what makes this impossible.

I don't even think the rapping's very good on it!

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, April 19, 2010 11:19 AM (13 minutes ago)

i don't even think the ford pinto is the greatest automobile ever engineered either! high 5 brah!

Don't have my copy of xhuxk's Stairway To Hip-Hop handy, so I couldn't tell you what its greatest album is.

Plus, the rapping is great! And the way it's placed against the music is always so complementary and well-timed, like the way "I'm like Sam the Butcher bringing Alice the meat/I'm like Fred Flintstone driving around with bald feet" plays against that wah-wah guitar on "Shake Your Rump," and the choice of which person raps it and how they rap it is always memorable.

xpost yeah which makes me think they had more input into the beats than just turning up and rapping over them.

It's a decent 3 Feet High & Rising ripoff, which I've never particularly loved either.

can a mod change thread title to rolling CHALLENGING OPINIONS thread 2010

Totally disagree. Just because both albums rely heavily on samples doesn't mean they're at all the same. In fact, in terms of tone, they're nothing alike. The Beasties never lose their touch for being proudly obnoxious, whereas De La Soul waited until their next (and best) album to be just that.

It's a decent 3 Feet High & Rising ripoff, which I've never particularly loved either.

okay that's going too far

Sorry, I'm trolling now. But the point is that De La (and P.E., though not to as great an extent as they would on Fear) had already done the sample collage aesthetic thing before Paul's dropped.

Don't have my copy of xhuxk's Stairway To Hip-Hop handy, so I couldn't tell you what its greatest album is.

― Blecch Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, April 19, 2010 6:34 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ram Jam - s/t iirc

Like I said, I haven't heard a whooooole lot of rap albums, but I'm just saying that Paul's Boutique isn't exactly Illmatic or something.

Fear of a Black Planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 Feet High and Rising > Paul's Boutique btw

I don't particularly care for who does what first; I prefer when it's done best.

But they didn't.

Since I Left You seems like the best record since PB to capture this pulling-at-all-corners sampledelica...of course respective tones are very different, but I get a similar 'wow' feeling when they drop that funk sample in the second half of 'Close to You' as the Beatles in 'Sounds of Science'.

I don't like Since I Left You at all.

MILTON: tried your link, got the 3.zips and all unpacked 99% (got 1 weird misc error) but four folders with all the tracks are present and accounted for fwiw.

Since I Left You > Paul's Boutique, for me actually. SILY is like the best utilisation of the album format I've ever heard. The 'album' as an artform will never die with albums like Since knocking around.

I know Abbey Road better, but I probably enjoy Paul's Boutique soo much more.

thanks mr shasta, that's a vote -- will try again on another computer.

the 33.3 book on this album is good. less on the sampling than on the partying anecdotes but lots of cool stuff about the team behind the album & the work dynamics. dust brothers & matt dike's denser tracks were all getting passed over by Tone Loc & Delicious Vinyl peoples, but Beasties heard 'Full Clout' (Shake Your Rump) and -that's- the one they wanted to rap over, so if the Beasties hadn't made that call all these tracks would have been an instrumental album -- for that reason alone the Beasties were collaborators

just downloaded the Car Wash soundtrack while hunting down the ingredients for 'Shake Your Rump', worth doing

I hope that this thread has gone silent because you all have concocted black-and-tans in your brandy snifters and are reminiscing fondly to this shit on your hi-fis.

Love Abbey Road, but it's way down in my personal Beatles canon. Voted for the Beastie Boys. No Maxwell.

You all are cute.

for anyone interested in instrumentals:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mzuujokztjd/Disc 3 - Instrumentals.zip

NB: these aren't pre-beastie boys versions.

thanks for the links!

both these albums are kind of weird blind spots for me. got Ill Communication when it came out and loved it, wasn't really aware of their earlier stuff bar the hits off the first record. got to know and love the Beatles thru my mum's record collection which stopped at Revolver...

listening to Paul's Boutique now for the first time as an album (heard most of the individual tracks before I think). It's good!

Paul's. I have a deep affection for Abbey Road and "Come Together" is almost certainly my favorite Beatles song, but there's enough shit going on in Paul's Boutique to get lost in it for months.

xpost - I'm 31 btw.

(and white. and Irish)

Abbey Road is fucking shit. Totally fucking unlistenable.

The other is pretty dope, and has Shake Yr Rump.

― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, April 19, 2010 11:55 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i sb with a little help from my friends

(yea wrong album i know fuck off!)

Abbey Road. Not to take anything away from Paul's, cuz that is a desert island album for sure, but it's like the difference between and A and an A-.

btw I better not find any Merzbow or Mike Patton Adult Themes For Voice cds in the houses of anybody making statements like Abbey Road is unlistenable

I borrowed Paul's Boutique from the library, just...didn't....get...it!

(I wish I did!)

So, AROad then.

I borrowed Paul's Boutique from the library, just...didn't....get...it!

It's a rap album produced by the Dust Brothers with left-field pop culture references sprinkled throughout.

Don't have my copy of xhuxk's Stairway To Hip-Hop handy, so I couldn't tell you what its greatest album is.

― Blecch Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, April 19, 2010 6:34 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ram Jam - s/t iirc

― Ndamukong HOOS (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, April 19, 2010 2:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Nah, it would have to be somehting like fuckin' Gillette, wouldn't it?

It's Led Zeppelin IV. Calm down, Beavis.

Kix or Stacie Q iirc

nah it was Chambers Bros

Abbey Road (36). But I did see the Check Your Head tour with Sonic Youth and L7 supporting.

I've never owned any Beastie Boys, though I think they're great. I just know that in SE Portland, I could pretty much knock and at any random door and borrow someone's Beastie cds the way you used to borrow a cup of sugar.

Oddly, I think I "discovered" both of these at nearly the exact same point in my life. Both tremendously classic & profound etc, but these days I only have time for about 50-60% of Abbey Road tho I'll still play PB in its entirety from time to time (& would say that prob 75-85% or the material holds up), so statistics indicate that the correct answer is The Beastie Boys.

If u like my math skills, next I will drop some science like Galileo dropped the orange.

xp It'd be Greatest Rap Hits (Sugarhill 1981), if anybody really cares. Single artist is tougher -- Schoolly D's Saturday Night maybe. Would definitely take Run-DMC's debut over Raising Hell though, Whiney.

I wonder: did any of the Beasties ever specifically compare PB to AR ("B-Boy Boullabaisse" = The Big Medley) around the time it was released or was that something somebody came up with after the fact?

Whatever. I grew up with Abbey Road and like it more and listen to it more, even though it's no more than my 5th or 6th Beatles LP. (But the fact that I could sing it in my sleep means that I'd sooner take Paul's to a desert island, since there's still much to absorb.)

Age: as old as two Boutiques

like Sam the butcher bringing Alice the meat
like Fred Flintstone driving around with both feet

I borrowed Paul's Boutique from the library, just...didn't....get...it!

It's a rap album produced by the Dust Brothers with left-field pop culture references sprinkled throughout.

― Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:11 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, and I like that sort of thing, but.

I'm on the same page mark

"...5th or 6th FAVOURITE Beatles LP", make that

xxxpost

in related news, adam yauch just sent out a kinda sad/weird email to the beastie boys mailing list inviting everyone to meditate every day at 930 am and 630pm, visualising destroying all of the cancer cells in the world. hope the guy is okay...

Oh no.

yeah. dammit, he's my favourite beastie.

Abbey Road is fucking shit. Totally fucking unlistenable.

The other is pretty dope, and has Shake Yr Rump.

― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, April 19, 2010 11:55 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i sb with a little help from my friends

― Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 01:33 (20 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I got more sb from the 'worst song off abbey road' thread than even my wenger stanning has ever done, i think. Having a different opinion on the Beatles, how dare I!

It's a rap album produced by the Dust Brothers with left-field pop culture references sprinkled throughout.

― Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:11 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

A rap album with original pop culture references! Craaaaaazy! I personally hate any rap album that doesn't mention Arsenio Hall every 6 seconds.

lol defensive

tbh i just went 6 seconds without mentioning Arsenio Hall, felt dirty.

looking down the barrel of a gun is the only tune on Paul's Boutique that I care to listen to anymore...

Landslide vote for "Abbey Road" of course. Even though "Paul's Boutique" is way better than most hip-hop albums.

cos its done by white ppl, amiritie geir?

its cuz Adrock's voice is so melodic

afaik it has to be the 3 separate beatles samples on sounds of science

Wouldn't turn either of them off if, say, someone put it on in a car on a road trip. (They'd both sound GREAT there, I'm sure.)

Jammed tracks from both storming up the country at the weekend and can confirm that Matos is correct.

they play abbey road at my breakfast place all the time, too

steve ty for the link. i have listened to the instrumentals like 5 times in a row now. this is totally pb for me btw. its pretty much the only record i still only listen to straight through beginning to end every time.

from the SongFacts entry for Come Together:

The whispered lyric that sounds like "shoot" is actually Lennon saying "shoot me" followed by a handclap. The bass line drowns out the "me."

Paul's Botique for me is forever tied to the middle of the night, driving across the country with my uncle Bri when I was 18 and jamming the fuck out, so that's what I voted for.

xpost When I was a kid I thought he was saying "shit" and the riff was his mother smacking him for it...

Imagine how hard GG Allin's mum would have had to have been...

cos its done by white ppl, amiritie geir?

It's not as good as the best moments of Outkast and 2Pac, both of which were black. Skin colour doesn't matter. Background often does though, Beastie Boys were able to make intelligent music because of their educated middle class background. (Just like a huge bunch of my favourite music has been made by Brits with an art school background - obviously far from a coincidence)

It's either the availability of resources, or the financial backing to get to them.

yeah dw geir i was just trolling.

Beastie Boys were able to make intelligent music because of their educated middle class background

and this is why Northern State makes the best rap music today. thanks geir

geir likes the sound of money

geir as usual is talking about his favorite music, not everyone else should have as their favorite. i admire his consistent lack of posing and posturing.

Kind of begs the question that Beastie Boys made intelligent music (which is, at least, part of their charm).

i admire his consistent lack of posing and posturing.

lol waht

given that Geir's opinions are near-nonsensical posing and posturing is pretty much all he does!

geir likes the sound of money

I live in a country where education is paid by the tax payers, and where the only thing you need to get a proper education is high grades.

http://www.craphound.com/images/letitbeast.jpg

Who's the dude in the lower right-hand corner?

where the only thing you need to get a proper education is high grades

you've got the cart before the horse, but whatever

Hello Nasty vs. Let It Be

Who's the dude in the lower right-hand corner?

mixmaster mike?

Hello Nasty is more like Past Masters II

Hello Pasty

Paul's Boutique was definitely part of that overflowing '88-'89 gestalt, but I never listened to it much, and look at my friends' love through a telescope. It wasn't until "So What'cha Want" that I felt like the Beasties really made something slamming.

If this were a cover art battle, though, no contest. I just pulled out the vinyl and had the same reaction to both gatefold sleeve and music.

I loved Abbey Road unconditionally from about age 9 until maybe a ten years ago, when I realized I didn't, but "Come Together" is still gorgeous, and so is "The End," which I understand better now. Anyway, Abbey Road (40).

given that Geir's opinions are near-nonsensical posing and posturing is pretty much all he does!

So people call him Geirbot because robots are non-sensical and do a lot of posturing huh.

and then they go to a disco.

oh wait, that's showroom dummies.

they call him geirbot because he's predictable

So people call him Geirbot because robots are non-sensical and do a lot of posturing huh.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:16 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spambot

Who's the dude in the lower right-hand corner?

What's the name in the upper left-hand corner?

So, which reminds me of something that sometimes comes to mind: PB is a Dust Brothers record. What was Hurricane's role in the whole thing?

It's bizarre that this would even be a question, since Hurricane isn't credited on the record at all! And beyond that, he never made any music for the Beasties or, AFAIK, scratched on their records.

can't blame him for being curious when the Beasties call out Hurricane's name out at the exact moment of the first big scratch break, I always thought that was him

ahhhhhh I guess. but it's phrased as if he had a big role a) in their music-making previously and b) on any of their other records! just felt like one of a million shout-outs on the record to me

if you dl miltons link, the last folder is called "show vinyl" which is basically what hurricane spun live (basically another instrumental version of PB). And sadly, the scratching is all on there so not sure what was being mimed on stage... :-(

I saw them live w/ Hurra twice, IIRC he would put his hands on the records to pause a beat or scratch an intro before releasing. it was fun when he came out to do Stick 'Em Up though!

also both were post-Ill Communication, the show was probably mostly DAT by then

Abbey Road does have some crap tracks on it. "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is imminently skippable, and "Because" is some seriously lazy-ass songwriting. But I voted for it, because "You're asking me will my love grow/I don't know" will always be better than "Never sleep alone because jimmy is the magnet/I'm so rope, they call me Mr. Roper". PB is fantastic, and it's kind of comparing apples and very different apples, but Abbey Road is the kind of album you can like until you're old, and PB is the kind of album you've probably already heard more times than you want to.

Um, I probably would go for Abbey Road here, but really "I'm so rope, they call me Mr. Roper" cracks me up and stomps all over "You're asking me will my love grow/I don't know"

It's bizarre that this would even be a question, since Hurricane isn't credited on the record at all! And beyond that, he never made any music for the Beasties or, AFAIK, scratched on their records.

Well, as a teenager listening to this way back when, I assumed the DJ created the beats. Similarly, when Endtroducing came out, I thought that those were live mixes direct from turntables which DJ Shadow was just extremely adept at manipulating. I guess the assumption that Hurricane was somehow involved has stayed with me this whole time, despite knowing a little bit more about music production than I did back then.

Plus, yeah, he gets two shout-outs in the album. The Dust Brothers get none.

A little googling reveals that Hurricane also contributed the lyrics to the chorus for Sure Shot, off Ill Communication:

Cause You can't, you won't, and you don't stop
Because you can't, you won't, and you don't stop
And when you can't, you won't, and you don't stop
Mike D, come and rock the sure shot!

"I'm so rope, they call me Mr. Roper" cracks me up and stomps all over "You're asking me will my love grow/I don't know"

Well, maybe. PB is fun as shit, but there's nothing going on there that I'd really call sublime. Maybe one of the weird-ass lyrics from "Come Together" would have been a better example. Or maybe not. I'm just trying to working within the confines of the thread.

Keep reading that as "you're asking me will my love growl".

Abbey Road does have some crap tracks on it. "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is imminently skippable, and "Because" is some seriously lazy-ass songwriting.

"Because" is one of the last really great songs John Lennon managed to provide, at a time when his creative well was generally running dry. Beautiful harmonies and wonderful moog. "Maxwell" is a bit more odd, but I kind of like it for its tweeness and again great Moog. "Come Together" is my least favourite "Abbey Road" track, because it sounds as though songwriting had gone nowhere since 1956 in terms of melody and harmony.

Paul's i'd say. Abbey Road is a bit of a mess.

I skip maxwell, oh darling and octopus. The rest is pretty damn perfect.

Geir, this won't change your mind, but it's pretty great to hear how it was all put together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr5nDAZ0p3E

"Come Together" is my least favourite "Abbey Road" track, because it sounds as though songwriting had gone nowhere since 1956 in terms of melody and harmony.

Melodies aren't just the notes, but the rhythm of those notes, and even if you reduce the song to vocals and hand claps in your mind, it's hard to imagine anyone doing this melody in this time signature without swinging the beat to a shuffle in 1956--and thus altering the melody. Maybe in church, but even there it would be cut-time, and the odd structure of the chorus would stand out.

And that breakdown shows how weird the harmonies are too--sticking on that same note, basically.

Am I the only one that thinks George's isolated guitar track, at 1:35 in the video above, sounds a little out of tune? Like the top note is a little sharp, or he's bending it slightly when playing the 6th and flat 7th of the shuffle?

Kenan u crazy. "Because" is like something out of a dream. Lazy? Getting those 9 part harmonies down took some work yaknow?

Melodies aren't just the notes, but the rhythm of those notes, and even if you reduce the song to vocals and hand claps in your mind, it's hard to imagine anyone doing this melody in this time signature without swinging the beat to a shuffle in 1956--and thus altering the melody

Doesn't change the fact that "Come Together" and 50s rock are both boring because of no more chords than I-IV-V and those boring bluesy tones that go nowhere with no climax. The Beatles made "rock" music better by adding diatonic melodies and a harmonic palette that was only found in classical music and Tin Pan Alley prior to themselves. That is why The Beatles were great, and "Come Together", with its desperate need to go "back to the roots", erases all that.

geir, dude, only drill-heads can be described as factually 'boring' - anything described as 'boring' is just subjective changeable opinion

A little googling reveals that Hurricane also contributed the lyrics to the chorus for Sure Shot, off Ill Communication:

Cause You can't, you won't, and you don't stop
Because you can't, you won't, and you don't stop
And when you can't, you won't, and you don't stop
Mike D, come and rock the sure shot!

nah, he only came up with the last line of those four - literally over the phone, which is what you hear on the record.

(He also did the hook on Finger Lickin' Good IIRC - that and and the original version of Stick 'Em Up might be the onle Beastie tracks that he's actually on at all.)

Hurricane's group the Afros were pretty funny

I would say that a song with many chords is objectively better than a song with few chords. And everyone with sufficient theoretical musical schooling knows that.

Well done. That statement should be in the FAQ.

i would say that anyone who says one piece of music can be "objectively better" than another was gravely misinformed, but i feel this ground has already been well covered.

And everyone with sufficient theoretical musical schooling knows that.

unfortunately you are not one of these people

as has been proven time and time again by people on ILM who actually know and understand music theory. which you do not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRvyFTLnu-E&feature=related

Right, that's settled.

Moving on..

I've had so many mistaken impressions about the Afros. First that their afros were real. Then I confused the band name Afros with their song Kickin' Afrolistics. Also wasn't there some band of white guys in the late 80s who dressed up in blackface and fack afros? What were they called? And how did DJ Hurricane get involved with all this???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIgKM0njtU

fake afros

I'm stressing out.

lol nice kingkong! never seen those before. awesome cameos (Slick Rick!)

those boring bluesy tones that go nowhere with no climax.

^^^ this is what you meant to say, geir. "Come Together" and 50s rock melodies have climaxes, and they're pretty blatant climaxes. Much moreso than your beloved Lady Gaga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYr7I4gOSXk

^^^climaxes every 20 seconds or so

Yeah "Come Together" is melodically boring but don't let that overshadow the brilliantly cool, understated rhythm section on display. Ringo's drums alone are reason enough for this song.

there is nothing wrong with the melody of "Come Together."

I mean, it's not the sort of melody I would expect Geir to like but it is essential

It needs more chords, thousands of 'em.

Why need chords when you've written a line like "Got to be good-looking cos it's so hard to see"?

Hey, imagine if every note in "Come Together" was actually a chord, it'd be the BEST TUNE IN THE WORlD!!!

guys it's 2010

time to walk away

let go

I don't have a pianer in front of me, Geir, but I'll bet you lunch that there are four and not three chords in that song. And there are maybe more in the extended outro.

btw geir does not actually know what a chord is FYI

I posted 2 Afrolistics youtubes upthread and you guys are still getting bothered about Geir? Sad.

dude those Afros youtubes made my (otherwise very sad and stressful) day!

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/ct.shtml

The harmony is limited to the minor-mode blues trio of i, IV, V, assisted in the refrain by an appearance of vi. The music creates an "aural illusion" of containing more widespread minor/Major clashing than is actually the case. I believe this is a side effect of the heavy use of Major IV instead of the more naturally occuring minor flavor. Cleverly, the only place that F# appears unequivocally in the song is at the start of the refrain, where it appears as part of a b-minor chord rather than a tonic D-Major.

So yes, 4 chords.

love that dude's site

it's how I got my classical-music-only gf to listen to the beatles

it's how I got my classical-music-only geir to listen to the beatles

Yeah "Come Together" is melodically boring but don't let that overshadow the brilliantly cool, understated rhythm section on display. Ringo's drums alone are reason enough for this song.

Rhythm means nothing to me and never will.

I don't have a pianer in front of me, Geir, but I'll bet you lunch that there are four and not three chords in that song

You are right. The chorus also contains a brief VI. The verse stays way too long on just one chord though, and that is my main problem with this song.

Generally, the entire "back to the roots" thing of the late 60s was really sad. Here you had this wonderful direction in 1967-68 with more and more influence from European music, and then suddenly some people got the idea to bring back this American crap.

oh, geirpaws

Geir, The Beatles rode one chord in many songs throughout their career - The Word, Tomorrow Never Knows, Rain, Ticket to Ride - plenty from the mid-sixties. I think you're objecting more to bluesy affectations than chord structure.

I don't consider "Rain" to a be a one chord song. The bass stays on the same note, but the chords in the middle move a lot. And "Ticket To Ride" has a completely contrasting middle-eight and the sound effects on "Tomorrow Never Knows" do give an illustion of at least one more chord. Other than "Rain", those are not really among my fave Beatles tracks though.

But, yes, I despise the blues, which to me is exactly what makes American music so obviously inferior to European music.

And, well, "The Word" also has at least four different chords the way I hear it.

Rain is G - C - D - just like a blues song!

Yes, the bass is. The the vocal harmonies aren't exactly A4 from a blues perspective.

Thanks for the new board description, Geir.

fitting

humorously this reminds me of an argument I had on epinions.com with some guy after Kid A came out. He said the album sucked because there were "not enough chords".

Everytime I heard that argument (and Geir's above) I keep thinking of the "too many notes" part of Amadeus....

"Kid A" could definitely have done with more chords. That is one of the problems about it, compared to "OK Computer".

Geir you should write a book.

I'd download it.

MORE CHORDS

seriously people are we gonna give Geir a plaque for thirty years of senseless trolling at some point? seems only right.

Is it trolling if he sincerely believes it?

yes.

Here you had this wonderful direction in 1967-68 with more and more influence from European white music, and then suddenly some people got the idea to bring back this American black crap.

Fixed.

Rhythm means nothing to me and never will.

You understand that "rhythm" is implicit in the entire concept of "chord progression," right? "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" wouldn't be the same song if Genesis held the first chord for 24 bars, then played the rest in a rapid flurry of 16th notes. And everyone with sufficient theoretical musical schooling knows that.

I mean, LOL at extolling the great European influence on pop music, then stating that rhythm is meaningless. I'm sure the opening strains of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony would have exactly the same effect if those first four notes were all whole notes.

I never even thought of "white" vs. "black" as being part of the equation. Most of the more rhythmic psychedelic Beatles tracks, the songs written around drones, I thought they got that influence from India. It was usually the Beatles' MO to take sounds and music from around the world and mix them with the European influence, and they did they consistently throughout their whole career.

But yeah Beethoven's 5th, otm.

the songs written around drones, I thought they got that influence from India

or weed.

Paul's boutique is amazing, a landmark record, and something of a "rite of passage" kinda album for me (I am 36) but come on... THE BEATLES

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I never even thought of "white" vs. "black" as being part of the equation.

No, but it's what Geir is thinking.

No, it isn't. And I am fucking sick of that argument!
There is no such thing as black music. Black and white are skin colours, not musical styles. There is good and there is bad music, and the best music is the most melody/harmony oriented music. ALSO if it happens to be made by black people. And European Vs. American music is about other stuff than the African influence. Black acts with a French cultural background make more interestesing and better music than black acts from an American background, simply because American folks music is extremely boring. Black American music is influenced by the harmonically boring American folk music, thus it can never be good, because it has too few chords. Blame that on WHITE Americans and their godawful boring folk/country music, and their lack of influence from more sophisticated classical European music.

And btw, most of all this is a matter of education and schooling. People with a lot of theoretical education always make better music than people with hardly any education at all. The best music is always made by people with a middle class background, and the more black middle class people there is, the more good black music will be made.

Say it, Reverend Geir.

"The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" wouldn't be the same song if Genesis held the first chord for 24 bars, then played the rest in a rapid flurry of 16th notes.

would pay to hear this 'sludge' version of LLDOB

Now, of course with rhythm, I mean beat. All (non ambient) music has rhythm, but not all music has a beat. And even less music has a beat that plays a very active part compared to the melody and harmonies.

Geir's Got Rhythm -- an ILX dance music compilation

And btw, most of all this is a matter of education and schooling.

There is such thing as class music.

In terms of education, there is. In terms of economy, not so much.

so, paul's boutiue it is

Balls Pootique.

Sorry, that was unnecessary.

ROFL

Hmm... I really want to defend classic American folk & country but I think if you can't get past a bias against it, there's really not much to say. I'll just say I disagree x 1000.

What pisses me off most about Geir is this "all truly educated music lovers would agree on X, Y and Z" stuff. But you never cite any sources for that line of bullshit, and I daresay you wouldn't be able to. I mean, have whatever chordist biases you want, but back it up with something other than "I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I'M RIGHT" or stfu.

"truly educated music lovers" makes me think of free jazz nerds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meZUumrBRTA

^^^ especially for geir

I remember the one year I was a music major before I changed majors...I was Geir-esque in that I'd insinuate people that disagreed with my opinions just 'didn't know' cuz they didn't have the education. then I realized music doesn't have rules, more or less 'guidelines' that many artists have made great careers out of breaking.

I'm not anti-music education, but it doesn't inherently make you a know-it-all.

All (non ambient) music has rhythm, but not all music has a beat.

Rong.

I look forward to hearing this beatless music

guys it's 2010

― goole, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:03 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

time to walk away

― goole, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:03 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

I look forward to hearing this beatless music

― Bogart Puff 'n Stuff (Cattle Grind), Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:12 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqRd555v0Hg

guys it's 2010

― goole, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:03 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

time to walk away

― goole, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:03 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

― goole, Monday, April 26, 2010 12:32 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

goole otm

do some of you guys realize geir has been spewing this same line of I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about since 1994? he is immune to reason. his whole point is "I love the Beatles and never get tired of arguing even when I've been proven wrong." he was first proven wrong at least 16 years ago on alt.music.alternative; it didn't faze him then, and it won't now. we don't have an "ignore" function here but the only reason to respond to geir's ridiculous assertions about music is if you are srsly deeply in love w/the sound of your own voice and/or the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong.

i tune into the mcgeir/hongro trolling hour like twice a year so it's still got some entertainment value imo

Last year we got him to admit once that his objective facts were actually opinions. I feel like we're making progress.

another 70 years and we may get to the distinction between having percussion instruments, "rhythm" and "beat"

in 70 years, UndeadGeir will be into Merzbow and the Boredoms

We just need a little more TIME. There's a breakthrough coming, I can feel it, brad whitford's guitar explorations!

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID11613/images/Awakenings.jpg

it'll be slow progress. this is same chap 13 years ago http://groups.google.com/group/alt.emusic/browse_thread/thread/3050f23fedc455ba/b9eaecdc71103272?q=%22geir+hongro%22+melody&lnk=ol&

Lolsford Brimley, that's funny...

it'll be slow progress. this is same chap 13 years ago http://groups.google.com/group/alt.emusic/browse_thread/thread/3050f23fedc455ba/b9eaecdc71103272?q=%22geir+hongro%22+melody&lnk=ol&

There are definitely opionions I expressed back then that I don't really stand for anymore, but I have no problem standing for everything I wrote in that thread. Other than "Dance music sucks", which is something I would have regretted writing only a few months later. Then, dance/techno music has become gradually more and more melodic during its entire history since mid-to-late 80s house music.

People with a lot of theoretical education always make better music than people with hardly any education at all. The best music is always made by people with a middle class background, and the more black middle class people there is, the more good black music will be made.

http://www.w3bbo.com/forums/Blank-Facepalm.gif

Being sort of European and pretty much middle class, I'm very pleased to know that were I to write a song with no meter or rhythmic structure but with multiple chords played at random intervals, that it would be better than the entire Last Poets' back catalogue.

Geir, I have to admire that even when you get mad, you never attack anyone back.

Howbout we all start agreeing with Geir from this day forth to see if his head blows up?

lol

Geir's an aspie, not a racialist.

are these mutually exclusive

cuz the "it just HAPPENS, totally coincidentally, that all the music I hate is associated with black people" is some weak sauce as we all know

Sometimes weak sauce is all you need.

http://img702.mytextgraphics.com/sparklee/2010/04/26/5503f627b3643a8321b745cb77cc23d9.gif

!!

nice

quality!

Geir, I have to admire that even when you get mad, you never attack anyone back.

^This.

for him to attack someone it would require him to acknowledge that there were other people posting in the thread and that his contributions were part of a discussion.

dammit i hadn't looked at this thread since last week and assumed there were a bunch of new posts about the thread topic but instead it's still friggin Geir talk. only myself to blame, i guess.

ja Geir is a monologist

Geir, I have to admire that even when you get mad, you never attack anyone back.

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, April 26, 2010 7:18 AM Bookmark

he told me to fuck off once. tbf, I was being a dick.

Balls Pootique.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

otm

Geir called me the n-word on the set of Do the Right Thing...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

cuz the "it just HAPPENS, totally coincidentally, that all the music I hate is associated with black people" is some weak sauce as we all know

Last I checked, Arnold Schönberg, Alban Berg, Igor Stravinsky, John Cage and all most black/death metal musicians were all white...

I bet Geir's fridge has nothing in it but bread, mayonnaise and wet notebook paper.

also the frozen head of James Brown

Funnily enough, "Bread, Mayonnaise, Wet Notebook Paper and the Frozen Head of James Brown" was a late-period John Cage piece.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iKgYzvi5tus/S1ixE7yAwyI/AAAAAAAAAL4/lItBziZgMYI/s400/VINYL+12

GRIEG being dead we may speak of him and his art.
Grieg being dead we can talk about whether he was any good or not.
Grieg being with Ibsen, Björnson, Lief Ericson and the rest,
Grieg being dead does not care a hell’s hoot what we say.

Morning, Spring, Anitra’s Dance,
He dreams them at the doors of new stars.

geir would you like black metal more if it was called white metal

after all loads of it is all about the superiority of european culture, no blues/country/American influences, loads of classical hallmarks, tons of chords

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

hahahahahahaaaaa

lurkers

geir would you like black metal more if it was called white metal

I don't exactly love white noise...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VZtedPuHwXYwHM:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8mY/SXv4FvLt8NI/AAAAAAAAS6Q/AQ-49rMGjEo/s400/xtc

^^^you love it

fuck you, dorks.

Actually, "White Music" is probably the XTC album I like least, apart from "Go 2".....

go +

hahahahahahaaaaa

lurkers

― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

66 separate posters in thread vs. 133 votes cast. If almost everybody voted twice, then maybe not so many lurkers.

why would anybody vote twice?

Oh, I forgot it was a poll.

Actually, "White Music" is probably the XTC album I like least, apart from "Go 2".....

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:15 PM (2 days ago)

That's crazy talk Geir. White Music is so much better than Oranges & lemons, Mummer, Big Express, Wasp Star, English Settlement and Go 2.

The thing I've never really understand is how you have such a strong dislike for funk but you seem to like George Clinton? This is a genuine question, how does he pass your rhythm verses Melody theory?

I dislike James Brown more than I dislike funk. Clinton is sometimes very unmelodic, sometimes not. Anyway, at least he did a lot of nice synth pioneer stuff.

why would anybody vote twice?

To win!

I once worked selling recorded tours at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, as a summer job. There was an employee I liked who worked in the gift shop. She was semi-punkish and into occult stuff, which was appealing to me at the time. I went to her apartment once to drop off a Psychic TV tape I'd made for her. While I was there, the Beastie Boys came up and she said she liked them because "they make fun of dumb niggers." With that comment, I went from speculating about the taste of her vaginal secretions to avoiding her entirely. Which isn't why I voted for Abbey Road, but I never really liked the Beastie Boys very much anyhow.

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/beastie-boys-pauls-boutique-round-22-nicks-choice/

Must've got into Paul's Boutique circa '97/'98 and I'm sure it had a remarkable effect on me. That's all.

RIP Paul’s Boutique collaborator and co-producer Matt Dike at 56 from cancer. He apparently became a recluse in recent years.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-matt-dike-obituary-20180313-story.html

Loved Boutique when it came out, haven’t listened to it in ages. Was impressed with the collaborative process between Dike , Beasties, and others and the choice of record samples back then

I dislike James Brown more than I dislike funk. Clinton is sometimes very unmelodic, sometimes not. Anyway, at least he did a lot of nice synth pioneer stuff.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:42 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah Geir, hadn't thought of you in a while

curmudgeon you owe it to yourself to play it today

I still have the original CD - always wondered what the remaster brought out of it.

still waiting for an official instrumental version. then it would definitely be one of my favorite albums.

I borrered it from the library many years ago.

I discovered what meh meant.

xpost i have bother the remaster and the original and honestly i can't tell much of a difference

Listened to Boutique on Spotify (not my original vinyl pressing from way back). First listen in ages. Vocal style is more whiny than I remembered. Some nice instrumental touches though

alternative version put together using original source material that was used for the album and spoken interviews:

https://soundcloud.com/strictly/caught-in-the-middle-of-a-3

i would vote "Abbey Road" for better album but i have listened to "Paul's Boutique" way more times. "Odelay" was one of my favorite albums growing up and discovering PB was wonderful. the non stop switching up genres and crazy juxtaposition of samples is intoxicating!

love the Beatles rap where they mix together Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road, but my favorite sample moments are 1) "Mississippi Queen" snare breakdown in "Looking Down the Barrel" and 2) "Ballroom Blitz" "She thinks she's the passionate one" in "Hey Ladies"