most dated line in "the real slim shady"

"My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips"

We ain't nothing but mammals, I think. Carson Daly still has that show, and isn't Limp Bizkit coming out with a new album this year? And "my bum is on your lips" is super dated too, but i love the rhyme that comes off it; "of course they're gonna know what intercourse is."

"My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips"

i could see someone jordan's age not even knowing what this means

also, Tom Green flicks get replayed on TBS every weekend

i mean it is a mildly obscure reference if you weren't watching mtv for the one week where "the bum bum song" was actually a thing

Eminem is def super timebound and a lot of his stuff (esp tracks like Real Slim Shady, Without Me, etc) is dated, but that's a ton of the charm for me. It's like a pop culture tapestry of 2002. Can't remember the last time I thought about the Backstreet Boys, but there they are.

Voted bum/lips - I didn't even know it was a reference to something! (other than Eminem having his bum on your lips, obv.)

how did we let Tim And Eric win when their shit is 90% warmed-over versions of "Bum Bum Song"

"without me" is kind of unlistenable because it's dated AND a desperate rip off of "real slim shady"

"moby? he should get stomped by obie" should hopefully make no sense whatsoever to the children of today

Without Me way better than that song about vomiting on the follow-up album ("Puke")

i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NjThjinDDQ

vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5HfM3DZt8

it's like the same fucking thing

Moby def still somewhat relevant (when I was taking classes on sound recording / sound studies, we read a bunch of stuff about Play), Obie Trice tho lol.

Jaws All On The Floor Like Pam, When Tommy Just Burst In The Door
And Started Whoopin Her Ass Worse Than Before
They First Were Divorce, Throwin Her Over Furniture (Argh!)

xp - by the time George Lucas finishes messing with Star Wars, it could very well make sense to kids watching the Director's Ultimate Edition Cut where Obi Wan stomps Moby Dick...

did tim & eric win something, chris? i don't watch adult swim so i don't know who's being challenged by this opinion

yeah pam & tommy lee is reeeeeally dated

"feel the tension whenever someone mentions me" -- this hasn't been true since I was eighteen and explaining to local suburban mom friends of my parents about what their kids were listening to.

they direct old spice commercials, is the most visible thing that they've done, from what i can tell

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yeah, but i figured ppl still know what pam and tommy was as opposed to other thing

yeah i'd never actually heard of carson daly until this song

also "i should download her audio on mp3" is a contender because oooh file format novelty

listening to some tracks atm -- still classic imo. i remember the first time i heard Marshall Mathers LP (10th grade IIRC) and it freaked me the fuck out. I was a super religious Yeshiva kid at the time and I was just like, "I can't believe he's saying this shit!"

he was our elvis

one that failed us by not making 20 stupid-ass movies

one was enough

i feel like eminem of 2000 would've found it to be a perverse honor to potentially die while taking a shit -- idk about current day em tho

He'd probably like it if all the members of ICP simultaneously dies while taking a shit.

i used to think all the ICP beef on Marshall Mathers LP would instantly date it, but how wrong I was

Didn't he have a scene in a music video where he dies on the toilet dressed as Elvis?

disappointed that sketch didn't come up on MMLP's Classic Albums episode on vh1

xpost yeah "without me"

1999: "I bought Cage's tape, opened it and dubbed over it"

i wonder if thats the closest cage ever got to being on a major label record

certainly he will be the first signee on Shia's eventual vanity label

"without me" is kind of unlistenable because it's dated AND a desperate rip off of "real slim shady"

― nabisco infiltrator (J0rdan S.), Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:59 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Without Me" is by far the best of the wacky Em lead singles imo

no way, it's "My Name Is"

^^^ it's got twice as many ideas as most Eminem singles - "if you see my dad, ask his if he bought a porno mag and seen my ad"

i still associate "My Name Is" with other white rap songs i never heard of until they were suddenly #1 on TRL like Little-T and One Track Mike, it just sounded like the corniest shit ever to me and i was kind of amazed when it turned out Eminem had 'cred' and was taken really seriously. i mean i can listen to it now and respect the rapping, but it's so clunky and cheesy imo.

i remember the first time i heard Marshall Mathers LP (10th grade IIRC) and it freaked me the fuck out. I was a super religious Yeshiva kid at the time and I was just like, "I can't believe he's saying this shit!"

Hahaha Mordy I had exactly the same experience at the same age but w/a difft religious background of course.

i still associate "My Name Is" with other white rap songs i never heard of until they were suddenly #1 on TRL like Little-T and One Track Mike, it just sounded like the corniest shit ever to me and i was kind of amazed when it turned out Eminem had 'cred' and was taken really seriously. i mean i can listen to it now and respect the rapping, but it's so clunky and cheesy imo.

― surmudgeon (some dude), Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:39 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i've still never heard the original version, which isn't even on the album.

Pretty sure "pedestrians" don't say "Let's just be friends"

I always thought it was "my mum is on your lips, my mum is on your lips", so im gutted it's not.

I might have to put this on now. first single I ever bought fact fans. Got it on cassette from Asda with the money I won from a compeition involving sucking dried peas through a straw from one plate to another at Cubs.

I always thought it was "my mum is on your lips, my mum is on your lips", so im gutted it's not.

Me too. I was like, "ooh! he's eating out your mom!"

I always thought it was "my mum is on your lips, my mum is on your lips"

smdh

seriously what

i remember my brother and his friends who were way into Primus were kinda geeked out about them being namechecked in the first line of a big pop hit. it even kinda makes more sense than the real line since the next line references Nine Inch Nails.

i remember my brother and his friends who were way into Primus were kinda geeked out about them being namechecked in the first line of a big pop hit.

o/

too bad he never neverchecked Greil Marcus.

*namechecked

Why does hip-hop love Primus?

am i gonna need an emoticon-to-english dictionary for this thread

yo michael phelps in totally in the 'my name is' video. check it out

xp he's raising his hand, as in "me too"

haha totally forgot about that thread!

smdh

― eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 25 April 2010 17:50 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I didn't even know it was a cultural reference till I read this thread!

some really bad posts in that Primus/rap thread.

especially when r0llie p3mberton says the roosevelt franklin album isn't good

should we have a primus thread -- never polled their albums or anything

primus was my favorite band in the world from age 13 to age 20. I might get all dewy-eyed

of course they're gonna know what intercourse is. - dunno if you've heard a "clean" version or something but the line as far as I recall is "of course they're gonna know what a woman's clitoris is," which is itself a dated reference to the Lewinsky scandal.

voted bum b/c I too never realized that was a reference to anything in the first place.

the clitoris line comes next fwiw

o sry

i think 'know what intercourse is' is a better line than 'gonna know what a woman's clitoris is'

the course/course has a really nice sound to my ears.

I always thought it was "my mum is on your lips, my mum is on your lips", so im gutted it's not.

Me too. I was like, "ooh! he's eating out your mom!"

― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:50 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

yup ditto, just now saw that tom green thing for the first time

i bet all you ppl who didn't know what "my bum is on your lips" totally take the wrong side in the "sleep that's where i'm a viking" argument

this thread made me want to watch all his old videos chronologically and his worthwhile run really only goes "my name is" "guilty conscience" and "the real slim shady." After that, it's all embarrassing melodrama.

and there's a video somewhere of Tom Green talking about how he was touched that eminem devoted part of his biggest hit to him. it's kind of sweet.

actually, add "without me" to that list

The next Eminem single needs to include a reference to Jedward.

i bet all you ppl who didn't know what "my bum is on your lips" totally take the wrong side in the "sleep that's where i'm a viking" argument

― eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:20 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

?????

I voted Carson Daly and Fred Durst, but realized I should have voted for "My bum is on your lips". Tom Green is so late 90's that sometimes I forget he exists...

For some reason the early nineties feel much closer to me than the late nineties.

i want to know what heated debate there is surrounding "sleep that's where i am a viking"

I really disliked the late 90's in general. the early 90's at least had lots of lols many years after the fact.

sleep/viking thing was popular argument among dipshits on like 20 different message boards

this one has 30 pages dedicated to it
http://bored.knockknockrecords.com/index.php/topic,29155.0.html

Haha I was trying to figure out which Eminem song had that as a lyric. -_-

wait what. how on earth could "sleep..." be understood as anything other than the place where ralph is literally a viking?

wow that's amazing that there's actually controversy about the meaning of that line!

can we start using 'that's where I'm a viking' as 'that's an area where I excel'?

and join the rest of the internet?

can someone replace the storm clouds in this photo with a headshot of kevin smith?

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/d0/I_like_where_this_thread_is_going.jpg

no idea how you could possibly mishear the "my bum is on your lips" unless you (a) have never seen the video and (b) are a british and think normal people refer to their mothers as "mum"

anyway dumb poll because these lines are all dated like any pop culture lines are bound to be, but not in a bad way. it's basically just a time capsule

xpost my gum is on your lips
my cum is on your lips
my plum is on your lips
my drum is on your lips
my rum is on your lips

and join the rest of the internet?

don't really care about 'the rest of the internet' tbh

k3vin, I think "bum" is as British of an expression as "mum", for those who haven't seen the video.

yeah i mean either way he clearly says "bum" also "mum" makes no sense in that context

ahahahahahaha all these years and i never realised "my bum is on your lips" was a reference to anything

god i could not fucking stand to listen to ANY eminem song these days, as much as i loved him then; it was sorta obvious from the moment he whined about britney and xtina that he'd date worse than them.

'without me' was good & doesnt really sound that much like real slim shady, altho obv is in the same vein.

cant believe al assumed em was a novelty dude -- he could pretty clearly rap better than any other white rapper novelties & was on like rawkus comps w/ 'any man' & shit

also, w/ the ralph thing, the 'viking' thing could easily mean both ...? vikings were explorers & its funnier that he used that instead of saying "sleep, thats where i'm ghandi" or some other random reference

i taped "my name is" off the radio and listened to it a bunch, didn't find out until a couple of weeks later that eminem was white - somebody told me.

Hadn't realised the "my bum is on your lips" bit was a reference either.

basically i'm not very perceptive.

yeah how could i have not known the first time i heard "My Name Is" that he was going to be on Soundbombing 2 several months later, boy is my face red.

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i dont know maybe because he raps well?

maybe the reason critics get so much shit for liking popular rappers is because critics always plead ignorance on why ppl like stuff

since when have critics every gotten shit for liking popular rappers? isn't that the whole existence of rap criticism?

im talking about like people giving shit to pitchfork for liking young jeezy circa '06 -- which in retrospect is a bit odd, considering what rap since then & prior would be ignored

eminem raps well, slick rick rap good

this happens w/ rap all the time -- until its popular phenomenon verified by a few hits, then some critics we could name (not really talking about Al here at all, i was just poking fun because he sounds like it re: eminem, randomly) will ignore the obvious aesthetic power artists have cuz they dont 'get it' until its verified by popular support -- im sure we can both think of artists in this category hmmmm

yeah how could i have not known the first time i heard "My Name Is" that he was going to be on Soundbombing 2 several months later, boy is my face red.

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― surmudgeon (some dude), Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:44 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont know maybe because he raps well?

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this exchange makes zero sense

anyway to parse my description of the song upthread, "clunky" = the beat is slow and to my ears kind of awkward, "corny" / "cheesy" = this guy's sense of humor is on some lame ass south park shit. the rhyming was good, yeah, but aesthetically it was and is just not something i can get into and i only started to like eminem at all with later singles.

if the first song i heard by him was "The Real Slim Shady" and i had the same reaction, i could see calling me cloth-eared for not hearing the obvious talent, but on "My Name Is" i'm just kinda like sure "it's too scary to die/ I'll have to be carried inside the cemetery and buried alive" is a pretty involved internal rhyme but jesus christ is it inane

i could see someone jordan's age not even knowing what this means

like this guy here vvvvvv

1. I always heard it as 'bum' but lol tom green and america. Also isn't a bum a homeless person in america and not an arse? like how a fanny is the wrong way around. also something about pizza and tipping.

2. lol wtf internet not understanding ralph joeks.

3. Find me a rapper who doesn't have references in their raps that have dated. Em has dated worse than most but you only need to look at that 'things that don't get rapped about anymore' thread to show this thread is kinda pointless. the likes of Just Lose It and We Made You are fucking horrendous compared, Real Slim Shady is fine for what it is.

"bum" means butt in america if you're a toddler (or tom green)

but yeah it is funny how people are cracking on eminem for making 1999 references in 1999 while that "things that don't get rapped about anymore" thread is lionizing/waxing nostalgic over other rappers doing the same thing

Em was the shit until he started taking himself too serious. and I dunno obviously "My Name Is" is his most radio friendly song but it's still good, and it was obviously going to be a huge hit. but it made me want to dig into the album tracks, which are far superior.

Slim Shady LP is still my favorite release of his.

for me Marshall Mathers LP > The Eminem Show > Slim Shady LP > Encore > Whatever else? Curtain Calls? Don't even know the other names

["Bum" (and "Mum") are common enough in Canada, where Green is from. Count me as another who didn't know the reference until now.]

(So I'm voting for that line.)

I remember getting the leak of this and selling it to my classmates in high school for $3 a pop. still might be my favorite album of the 00s although I never want to listen to it.

so what is this song about, exactly? is he accusing people of copying his style or something?

he's arguing that ralph is literally going to a place in his dreams where he's a viking

also, w/ the ralph thing, the 'viking' thing could easily mean both ...? vikings were explorers & its funnier that he used that instead of saying "sleep, thats where i'm ghandi" or some other random reference

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean, i know i promised not to argue with deej as much on ilx, but ffs dude what the fuck is wrong with u

compare datedness with Tom Green's rap group "Organized Rhyme":

I grab a horse and I jump like equestrian / I talk smooth like Lando Calrissian

Recieve honours, make you goners / Break the deuce like Jimmy Connors

I make light of everyday establishment / With content sticking like Poli-dent

I lay more chicks than Mother Goose / Pass the O.J., 'cause I got juice

Go off like a canon, you're a copier /Much sloppier so I'm gonna' drop ya
You got a demo? Well I guess I'm gonna' shop ya / Take a risk, like a disk you're floppier

You misfit, meet the better man / Gonna' razz you just like Letterman

i wouldnt call any of those references dated except for the floppy disc one i guess

I really disliked the late 90's in general. the early 90's at least had lots of lols many years after the fact.

Give it a few years.

Polident is always relevant. hellz yeah

but yeah it is funny how people are cracking on eminem for making 1999 references in 1999 while that "things that don't get rapped about anymore" thread is lionizing/waxing nostalgic over other rappers doing the same thing

― surmudgeon (some dude), Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:02 PM Bookmark

Yeah but to be entirely fair, Em was really making a schtick out of it, like, he's pop's court jester and stuff. I mean it'd be one thing to make reference to these things, but he dresses up as these people in the videos, the pop culture references get acted out with neon signs pointed to them. It's a little different than them just sort of being in the rhymes.

iow dude was a hack

primus was my favorite band in the world from age 13 to age 20. I might get all dewy-eyed

― eyes without afaik (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:07 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

lol, sorta can't believe that this happened to another human being! (tho it was prob age 13 to 17 for me.)

also, when I hear "swedish," sometimes "my bum is on the swedish" still darts thru my mind.

okay lol I had no idea this is where the Viking controversy was introduced

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Anything namechecking Fred Durst will automatically be more outdated than anything else has ever been, or will ever be.

2010 internet comedy video "The Ed Hardy Boys" is more dated than "Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler?"

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

"the bad touch" will never die

i still do things only prince would sing about

all white rappers can bow down to "bad touch" imo

2002 really doesn't feel like that long ago to me, but when i think about it, it WAS ages ago. If it were 2000 and I was thinking back to 92, I'd think it was a very long time ago. I had started Uni in 2000, but I was still in primary school in 92. Psych! Psych!

obie trice real name, no gimmicks <------ dats a deathless meme right there

I f/w "Rap Name"

And a further five years on, Tom Ewing's Popular reaches this one.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2015/03/eminem-the-real-slim-shady-2/

And it's a hell of a piece, especially its conclusion.

I didn't even get the "bum is on your lips" reference at the time (not sure said Tom Green thing was a hit in the UK).

no me either; i don't think anyone did. even now most people only know him from Freddie Got Fingered if at all.

awesome piece.

fuck eminem

could someone plz explain "dated" to me in terms of pop records, are they supposed to be timeless and forecast the future?

There is an argument to be made that the best pop should, yes.

a lame one

I've been moving away from "dated" as pejorative for a while now -- like when a synth sound gets dismissed as "dated." It's 1983 -- what else is it supposed to sound like?

nah "timelessness" is a bullshit idea but some songs definitely date much worse than others; there's dated in that the production sounds weird to modern ears, and there's dated in that you just think what were we thinking i can't even hear this now.

(great piece as ever from tom!)

another person who grew up thinking it was "my mama's on your lips, my mama's on your lips"

(er, with the pronouns reversed, it's been that sort of day)

Somehow I never took the "we ain't nothin but mammals" line as a Bad Touch reference, probably because that song didn't become hit in North America till about the same time as the "Real Slim Shady" was released, so it probabbaly struck me more as coincidental than actual reference.

And I never got the Bum Bum Song reference till much later, because MuchMusic didn't really play much Tom Green stuff other than Check the OR.

Popular has been really good recently

could someone plz explain "dated" to me in terms of pop records, are they supposed to be timeless and forecast the future?

Most pop ("folk" in pre-Industry terms) music existed before consumer culture and the most successful of the modern stuff irt to staying relevant leans on references that are either non-commercial/pre-capitalist or pop culture that is so universally accepted it has transcended the purposefully built-in short shelf life of marketed ephemera.

why would its makers want to "stay relevant" after they get paid?

Seems rather like these idiots who horselaugh at "giant cellphones" in 25-year-old movies.

"hey look Kubrick put a Pan Am logo on a spaceshop, SO DATED"

i understood the "my bum is on your lips" reference even at the time but i was an avid trl-watcher (should be noted that that was an important source of early exposure for em, much as he positioned himself against the artists who dominated it)

In eminem's heyday, putting your bum on someone's lips was an act intended to repulse the recipient, but nowadays pretty much everyone's into eating booty.

yeah def. it's weird to me how infantile eminem is, and yet he still garnered so much critical acclaim

he is the Freudian bum-lips period in your ears

Eminem's heyday, Tom Green, Fred Durst, "The Bad Touch"...thanks for reminding me why I hated this era of popular culture so much.