The Clinton Years: Rapey-Ass Bands In American Peacetime

glad I cood contribute

(and frankly, smashmouth is a whole nuter league)

LOL nooter vs. nutter

i forgot sublime

Korn is god.It is everything I have ever wanted in a band and dresses hella cool too.I love them anyway, even if they suck!

― Adrian McCoy

that sugar ray guy always seemed like an asshole

what is even the criteria for voting? best, worst, funniest, rapey-assest?

Vote for the worst. Accepting write-in candidates from the Vans Warped Tour.

o my bad

i think bizkit will win this, but i wanna see who else makes a good showing.

Rapey is a commune in the Vosges department in Lorraine in northeastern France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapey

I like at least one song each by 311, Korn, Bloodhound Gang, Limp Bizkit, Sugar Ray, Smashmouth, and the unlisted Sublime. I couldn't name you a song by Slipknot or Fun Lovin' Criminals. Which leaves me with Incubus.

One of the hardest threads of late.

The title also makes me curious about which presidential period had the best music.

that is, hardest to answer

sugar ray and smashmouth are both pretty great, and korn are really the cream of their crop even if it's ultimate nagl to begin with. this is either 311 or incubus, i don't think i've ever heard fun lovin criminals.

flc's hit was "scooby snacks."

the late 90s were weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDYfoRYcqQ

korn dude. korn.

Crap I voted for the one I find most tolerable.

No Papa Roach no credibility

wow, if Papa Roach were in here, I would have instaclicked them

ahem.

THA BIZKITTTT just because I feel the most guilty/embarrassed when I hear their stuff. Hate to go with the obvious vote, but sometimes it's obvious FOR A REASON.

Fun Loving Criminals are the only ones here that aren't totally abhorable, just bad, the rest though. Voted for Bizkit for the above reasons, pretty much. Though their music may not necessarily be worse than that of Korn or 311 or whoever, they take more of a role as a figurehead for the whole movement of awfulness of this time.

voted for bizkit, but it's really just a reflection of ignorance. i mean, i don't know enough about any of these bands to evalute them fairly. have a friend who was really into the bloodhound gang and so heard a couple of their records a few times. they were mostly awful (except for the "discovery channel" song, of course), but i can't say i hate them. i just don't want to have to hear them again ever ever ever until a long time after i die. but that's probably true of most of this stuff. probably. i dunno, maybe some day i'll find out that korn were really great after all.

all these bands are lame but ultimately/surprisingly the one whose existence turns out to be least justifiable is 311

goddammit i missed "worst" and voted for sugar ray. those guys have like 2 (3?) songs i can't help but like.

does bloodhound gang go here?

I voted Limp Bizkit but it wasn't a runaway victory. Sugar Ray could have won too. Ironically they were more pleasant when they played poppier songs, it was their attempts at being heavy that were pretty laughable.

Also Incubus were pretty damn good at one point. S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is an enjoyable album, even if it wears its influences on its sleeve. Korn, I actually liked the first two albums before Jonathan Davis decided to sing every song in a nasal-bad 80's pop voice.

Not much else I'm gonna stick up for on that list.

re Sugar Ray's laughable attempts at heavy - I've never heard any of these, but i understand that's where they were originally coming from? seems really weird.

voted for Slipknot because every other one of these bands has at least one pop jam i've probably enjoyed at some point or another.

xpost yea. I had the "pleasure" of hearing Floored, which was their breakthrough album which had "Fly" on it. I think my bro was into that song and borrowed it. And played the rest -- it was all watered down nu-metally stuff, but done worse than the norm. "RPM" actually got radio play, and it has the lamest chorus ever.

They started playing more "Fly" like songs after that album when it was well received.

Slipknot deserve a fail alone for actually titling a song "People=Shit"

i remember seeing this on SuperRock on mtv when it came out and thinking american music was fucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VL5LV9PVZ8

lol I HAD NO IDEA THAT WAS THEM. I remember that song. such an unimaginative riff.

Rapey-Ass Band
http://nicoleeggertsspot.com/wp-content/uploads/lemonade.jpg

Wot no Deftones

i remember seeing this on SuperRock on mtv when it came out and thinking american music was fucked

At least he looks good with his shirt off.

fuck i voted for sugar ray before i realized this poll was for the worst u_u

OH OK

Wot no Deftones

― PaulTMA, Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

deftones aren't musically rapey

curtis otm about 311. They've got a frighteningly dedicated fan base, too.

Anyway, in a perfect, beautiful world, none of these bands would have existed and merely reading their names makes me want to vomit in revulsion.

thread also missing

http://www.chasermerch.com/images/SBLST01.jpg

Bizkit, for having suffered through at least three opening-band slots by them when I worked at First Avenue.

http://guitarhype.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/slipknot-02.jpg

^do not know how anyone can not vote for these guys

one of sublime's biggest hits was anti-rape, should probably give them a break on this thread

Slipknot have a decent tune or two, but they do seem awfully rapey.

Bizkit is the obv answer, but after a bit of thought, Christ, slipknot really were fucking atrocious, weren't they? So I voted for them.

not really sure how incubus fits in here but it's 311 vs bizkit for me, and i think the vote goes to 311 because it was hard to ever take bizkit seriously but people actually rep for 311 TO THIS DAY

are there really eight fucking people in slipknot?

shit, I'd have voted them just for that

do all of these bands have djs? i would prob throw deftones in also, though hopefully they wouldn't get any votes. admission: saw them with incubus sometime in the late 90s or early 00s. and how about staind?

gotta vote 311. agree with everything said about their insidious longevity. just awful. right up there with dave mathews for most-hated. and i'm talking about most-hated overall, not just musicians. if someone picked me up for a date and they had 311 on in the car, i would be more worried about getting date raped than if they were playing probably any other music.

all these bands are lame but ultimately/surprisingly the one whose existence turns out to be least justifiable is 311

this would be true except for "311, I am ready to fight!" hard for me to hate a band so central to the scott stapp mythos.

korn was the one of these i actually had to endure most frequently at the time, so i'm voting for them.

are there really eight fucking people in slipknot?

― The Reverend

Count again! It's worse than you think!

sugar ray shouldn't be on this list

aw bollocks I voted Bloodhound Gang but I thought I ws voting for the best

Didn't realize there was hate for Smash Mouth, though it probably helped that I tuned out on music videos during these year. "All Star" is a kids classic.

Didn't realize there was hate for Smash Mouth

????????/

I voted other (Sublime), which is weird because they are the only of these bands that I listened to back then. They were much better than a lot of guys around here give them credit for. They truly loved the musicians that influenced them and they wore it on their sleeves.

However, I just can't look past couplets like "15 years old, plus one/Hotter than a microwave oven" anymore. Despite their anti-rape song, there was something weird going on with these guys.

I think only Bizkit actually made the news for inciting fans into raping ppl at a concert?

which of these bands is the closest blood relative to linkin park in the family tree?

linkin park seems like what limp bizkit would be like if they replaced all the members w/ pretty decent dudes

sugar ray shouldn't be on this list

― iatee, Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:12 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Ehh a few good singles didn't save them from suckdom.

"linkin park seems like what limp bizkit would be like if they replaced all the members w/ pretty decent dudes"

Except for the guitarists - Wes Borland is a decent guy whereas Brad Delson is a creep. Voted Incubus.

i don't really see much of a connection between Linkin Park and Bizkit. LP are probably closest to Incubus, in terms of a bunch of sensitive bros writing sensitive rock music who once upon a time wanted some funk or rap in their metal and have been drifting away from that direction ever sense (i.e. the RHCP arc).

xxpost: sugar ray did not have any good singles.

I liked Someday a little. I HATED "Fly". maybe I should have said "good single".

they had 4 good singles, but they were all basically the same song: the abridged Sugar Ray singles poll

gotta vote 311. agree with everything said about their insidious longevity. just awful. right up there with dave mathews for most-hated. and i'm talking about most-hated overall, not just musicians. if someone picked me up for a date and they had 311 on in the car, i would be more worried about getting date raped than if they were playing probably any other music.

I thought "Down" was a pretty good song, but then again I was 13.

I like "Outside" by Staind, which made it into the rap mixtape rounds.

Only people I ever knew who loved Bloodhounds Gang and Limp Bizkit were women, btw.

Surprised Dave Matthews isn't listed. Didn't their popularity peak around 1996-2000 or so? Anyway, I guess I'll go with Limp Bizkit.

hike up your skirt a little more.

Hike!

I tell you no lie, if Staind were on this list, I may have voted different.

i forgot staind existed when i was making the list!

I had forgotten about them until the cruel reminder above.

Except for the guitarists - Wes Borland is a decent guy whereas

I can rep for this.

oh shit that's right...some classick ilx backstory

"What's worse than 9/11?

311."

-Neil Hamburger

Only people I ever knew who loved Bloodhounds Gang and Limp Bizkit were women, btw.

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:08 PM Bookmark

you weren't 14 at the height of their popularity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GauWyL5FTKw&feature=related

Lest we forget.

Limp Bizkit were big with high school girls iirc

Woodstock 99 - Limp Bizkit on stage, as good as any symbol of the terminus of American Civilization.

The lyrics to Rollin' have always sounded like "Hands up, now pants down" to me.

certainly gives the next line ("back up back up, tell me what you wanna do now") a different context

Do we have to refer to bands as "rapey"? Really?

I seen you 'round for a long long time
I really 'membered you when you drink my wine

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

smashmouth was like "wow this totally captures how i felt when i got all rapey-ass, let's cover it"

there should be a "The Bush I Years" version of this with STP, Nirvana and Toad The Wet Sprocket

Oh dude, STP is playing a Chili Cookoff in the DC area. Chili Cookoffs are totally rapey.

this is a hard question because all the bands listed as options are so so so so so so so terrible.

this is a dope poll

fugazi should be in the bush I years poll for that song where Ian wishes he could walk down the street without seeing girls dressed like sluts ("We blame her for being there!")

Only people I ever knew who loved Bloodhounds Gang and Limp Bizkit were women, btw.

Stockholm syndrome

"maybe i deserve a cookie in my yeah"

hahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPdHMWVJoS8

Come on, that's clearly not what "Suggestion" is saying and you know it. That line in context:

She does nothing to deserve it
He only wants to observe it
We sit back like they taught us
We keep quiet like they taught us
He just wants to prove it
She does nothing to remove it
We don't want anyone to mind us
So we play the roles that they assigned us
She does nothing to conceal it
He touches her 'cause he wants to feel it
We blame her for being there
But we are all guilty

Also, jon/via/chi OTM.

xposts to da croupier's first post

da croupier's post about Fugazi anyway

sundar i was joking

Ha, OK, sorry. Still waking up.

Deftones

I still kind of like the Deftones.

a lot of people still like Deftones

the acceptable face of rapey

thought that was tom petty

Tom Petty's face is never acceptable

I tell you no lie, if Staind were on this list, I may have voted different.

^^^^^^^^

I put on a couple tracks from the new Deftones just to see, again, if I could figure out why people actually like them. Still can't figure it out, honestly. How are they not just a different side of the Korn coin?

petty's video about necrophilia actually came out in the clinton era, maybe he should be in this too

311 for their cure cover alone

311 for their cure cover alone

Perhaps you haven't seen this, which is FAR worse than 311's Cure cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz5Z1ctPqc

whaaaaaaaat

311's cure cover came in the middle of the Bush years. And really what's rapey-ass about 311 other than having a member named P-Nut

that said korn is pretty clearly raping us all in that video

omg. had not seen that.

I have never actually heard a slipknot song but I feel like they are sort of like ICP in that they have to exist in order to give fat misfit high school kids a reason to live

going 2 check out some youtubes just to make sure they're not actually worse than 311

they aren't

also I'm not a fan of the costumes but imo every band should have a guy that dresses like a crash test dummy with needles sticking out of his head

a lot of people still like Deftones

― Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Monday, 17 May 2010 15:19 (3 hours ago)

first Deftones album would have made the alt-90's poll but for a late change of heart (not mine)

http://1percent.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/yogabbagabba_pressimage.jpg

pick your favorite slipknot member!

never heard of 311, should probably keep it that way. sugar ray deserve some slack for their eno/cale cover.

going with limp bizkit. they are horrible and completely unfunny

311 is horrible

"What's worse than 9/11?

311."

-Neil Hamburger

― jer.fairall, Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

been loling at this

limp bizkit are so not completely unfunny

just humorless, there's a difference

limp bizkit are so not humorless either

naw, "humorless" wasn't right. it'sjust that their humor isn't funny and they are way funnier when they are srs

i dunno man, srs Bizkit stuff like "Counterfeit" or "Eat You Alive" or The Unquestionable Truth (Part 1) strikes me as way less funny than the semi-clowning stuff like "Rollin'" or "Hot Dog" or "Nookie"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWo-02Hsab4

this video simultaneously highlights the worst parts of the band 311 and the worst parts of the year 1999

jesus christ. how does anyone enjoy that music.

i like to think i'm pretty jaded/forgiving but some things are still shocking to me.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/im-in-alien-ant-farm-for-the-long-haul,17415/

who bought that shit?

haha okay is that 311 for real? worst shit i've heard in a loooong time

reached #6 on the u.s. alternative rock charts in 1999

Yeah that 311 song/vid is horrible. Hadn't heard it in a decade, and now wish I hadn't clicked "play" on that YouTube video. Ugh...

It's got the Linkin Park dual frontman sing/rap thing going on, but with a Korn-lite backing section and zero worthwhile hooks.

where "alternative" = to a screwdriver in your ear

that song really isn't that bad

just "how big a screwdriver are we talking?" bad

suck a choad iatee that song is ass and a half

sad how quickly a decade went from nirvana,soundgarden,pearl jam, people getting into sonic youth, dinosaur jr, etc to limp bizkit, 311, incubus,staind,slipknot ,mudvayne and so on. urgh

I'd never heard 311 until now, maybe they didn't break the UK (or i just got lucky and didn't hear them)

if I heard it on the radio today I'd just have a late 90s nostalgia flashback. not that I liked the music when I was a kid, but I think anything that is so...representative of its time and place(?)...I dunno, there's some value on some level.

but doing an alex in nyc impression is fun too, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwiBzatjnRA

Mind you, american bands didn't do so well here after britpop hit, apart from fun loving criminals, who i expect will get the brit vote here.

but doing an alex in nyc impression is fun too, I guess.

yeah pretty much :)

really shitty song tho, get real

ot that I liked the music when I was a kid, but I think anything that is so...representative of its time and place(?)...I dunno, there's some value on some level.

you can listen to Third Eye Blind & get much better results

well yeah third eye blind is actually good

311 have as much value for being representative of their time and place as HannaH*s Field do

well yeah third eye blind is actually good

O_O

I'm not trying to argue that this is good music, mostly just, I dunno, it's 2010 and it's not worth spending your energy 'hating' this

and yeah third eye blind is good, I thought most people had figured that out by now?

some still are blind, son

I stopped hating 3IB after seeing them play a venue where I was a volunteer usher; it was the Smashmouth/3IB tour and both were shockingly entertaining (altho dude from 3IB really can't sing at all, like not even a little bit).

sad how quickly a decade went from nirvana,soundgarden,pearl jam, people getting into sonic youth, dinosaur jr, etc to limp bizkit, 311, incubus,staind,slipknot ,mudvayne and so on. urgh

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, May 17, 2010 3:44 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

false narrative, RHCP were huge at the beginning of the '90s and at the end of the '90s (and the beginning and end of the '00s too, for that matter). earnest funkateers are the most ubiquitous constant of the last 20 years of mainstream rock.

Sublime on 311: "Well, you can't call 'em faggots, but..."

(From an interview with the surviving members I read a while back)

I don't know if I'd call RHCP huge at the beginning of the 90s, although the certainly were coming out of the underground scene circa Mother's Milk (lol, I should listen to that album again and see if I still hate it)

I agree with yr general point, though, and wish Fishbone had been more massive.

well Blood Sugar Sex Majik blew up at the exact same time as Nevermind/Ten/etc. so i was really only being as loose with the timeline as pfunkboy was.

voted Bloodhound Gang for the crying stripper song. I don't give a fuck how many times the singer shouts out to Monkey Gone to Heaven.

Next worst: Limp Bizkit

I actually don't hate Slipknot, and have heard secondhand testimonials about how their music can be cathartic for abuse victims.

FTR, Deftones is heads and shoulders above anything else in this poll.

surely i've happened across incubus at some point in my life; can someone tell me which of their big singles to youtube so i can be like oh yeah those guys?

"have heard secondhand testimonials about how their music can be cathartic for abuse victims" is going to be my enigmatic compliment the next time someone IRL wants to talk about a band I have nothing positive to say about

re: 3rd Eye - "never let you go" is pretty hard to hate on but everything else i heard by them really grated

big Incubus songs: Pardon Me, Wish You Were Here, Drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzuDXZwZtI

^ Incubus feat. Chris Cornell

that song really isn't that bad

a more robust, full-throated defense would be hard to imagine.

someone should do a "member of 311 that you would least like to kiw" poll

incubus is decent

I don't care what any of you say, "Drive" is a fucking fantastic song.

otm REM rules

i'm pretty much fine with Incubus, multiple family members have their albums and i won't object if they put one of them on, although they can get old fast

I actually don't hate Slipknot, and have heard secondhand testimonials about how their music can be cathartic for abuse victims.

Yes, because people who find Slipknot to be "cathartic" are themselves victims of Slipknot's aural abuse.

like "pardon me" -- the chorus is cheesy but it's pretty huge & awesome imo -- and the verses aren't a half bad d-plan knock off

this may just be due to age bias on my part but late-90s alt-rock >>>>>>>>>>>> early-90s alt-rock

ohhh, those guys. yeah no thx.

rev otm

Eh... I wouldn't agree with that, possibly because I was 17 in 1990.

rev not otm

I was 4 in 1990

wait, I DO like an Incubus song. I forgot about "Megalomaniac"

Yes, because people who find Slipknot to be "cathartic" are themselves victims of Slipknot's aural abuse.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, May 17, 2010 3:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

is this another neil hamburger quote?

yeah not otm, but i'm getting old. was 17 in '95

like, I will take Fishbone and the first Pumpkins album and early Tool over practically any band that appeared on the scene post-1995, largely because of where I was emotionally and how they soundtracked me becoming a self-sufficient adult

3eb vs. tool poll

how bout those "Starin down the barrel of a 45, 45" guys? that shit was atrocious... but possibly to late for this poll?

Slipknot were a gateway to metal for a lot of kids who grew up and discovered better bands possibly. Don't think you could say that about 311 or limp bizkit or fun lovin criminals..

I still think they all suck though.

too late xp

haha yeah Shinedown, that song is only a few years old. i once worked with a guy who had that song as his ringtone o_O

xpost

i'm not sure i've even ever heard anything from the first 2 pumpkins albums tbh. sure heard a hell of a lot of the melan collie singles tho and my best friend was a big adore fan

first 2 SP & b-sides collection were pretty rad!

IMO their first album is their best, followed by Siamese Dream and Adore in a toss-up. Mellon Collie gets a lot of press but is too long and too self-indulgent; the fantastic songs on it can't carry the forgettable ones.

fun lovin criminals is the only one of these bands that i don't remember being popular at all. i saw a video of theirs once or twice on mtv and that was the entire extent of my even hearing of them during the 90s

that pretty much was the extent of their popularity, one minor radio/video hit. they were much bigger in the UK for some odd reason.

i pulled out siamese dream a little while ago and was surprised how bad it was. but it meant a hell of a lot to me at the time. i was just discovering music around then and i remember thinking the ascent of stone temple pilots et al was already some kind of betrayal. i was a very serious person.

i've gone the entire time until this thread thinking bloodhound gang & FLC were the same band

FLC definitely have the best name of this bunch

i pulled out siamese dream a little while ago and was surprised how bad it was.

i know you're probably right and that's why it's not been played in my house since like '00, but i have to believe that Gish (and "Lull"!!!) would hold up. maybe i need to check those out tonight...

From the last time I played it (a couple of years ago), Gish absolutely holds up well. "Rhinoceros" and "Bury Me" will never not be awesome.

true true

My next door neighbor is the original lead singer of Slipknot, who left before they "made it" nationally. I should ask him if they became too rapey and if that is why he left.

omg, please do

siamese dream still has dope songs but I don't love it nearly as much as I did when I was 15. I like Gish now even more than I did when I was 15 though, because it is rock and roll. And obv nothing beats Pisces Iscariot.

anyway corgan has far more relevance/influence in the late-Bush-years My Chemical Romance realm of shitty rock than in late-Clinton-years shitty rock

fwiw, I think that there are a lot of people I went to high school with who would have had a cd collection very heavily weighted toward this list in the 1999 timeframe.

x-post
I might! The band has never come up in conversation, I have no idea how he reacts to questions. I've only lived there since December and I've mostly talked to him about neighborhood shit, and chatted with some really friendly people hanging out on his porch. I might be trying to become friends now, since he and his wife have a pool.

weirdly the first slipknot indie album ended up bankrolling mpls's Stand Up! Records, a comedy label that has put out stuff by Lewis Black, Doug Stanhope, others

http://www.citypages.com/2008-05-21/feature/indie-comedy-label-stand-up-has-produced-the-edgiest-comedy-in-the-country/1

I wonder if he can score me some Lewis Black albums

imo Siamese Dreams has one absolutely stone cold cut (Mayonaise) and a bunch of stunners on it (Quiet, Soma, Today, Hummer, Rocket) but yeah Pisces Iscariot is way better, and I even like Adore more.

^also count Sweet Sweet & Luna in that whole list-o'-stunners mentioned above sorry.

multiple xposts: i like all the third eye blind singles i've heard. they probably had too many female fans to be properly rapey.

my bf just said that by that metric, incubus have to be disqualified because they have a shit-ton of female fans.

Only because that rapey-ass lead singer likes to take his shirt off mid-show.

ross robinson should be an option in this poll. he kinda single-handedly ruined hard rock/metal records/production for an entire generation. every other nu-metal band emulated that sound. i think there is some really good stuff on the s/t slipknot album and on iowa, but the production is so fucking horrid. i root for ANY metal band with three drummers! can't help myself, i'm a latin jazz/salsa/etc fan as well as a metal fan.

the first fun lovin' criminals album is fun!

i'd vote for limp bizkit in this poll, i suppose. only cuz i can't vote for bush.

ross robinson should be an option in this poll. he kinda single-handedly ruined hard rock/metal records/production for an entire generation.

A lot of death metal sounds the same though because of those drum trigger things that all producers use.

scott thank you for repping for the first 2 slipknot albums :)

theyve got some good stuff that I could connect with (sic, Surfacing, yes People = Shit), and most of my angst was the standard post-adolescent kind. My point was what everybody was reading as macho male aggression overload (as evidenced by the repeated bandying of the term "rapey") was actually very much empowering to anyone unlucky enough to grow up in an intensely hostile and negative environment, regardless of gender. Bloodhound Gang's sexualized self-and-other-loathing, and Limp Bizkit's positing of the Feminine as nothing but an affront to FD's peace of mind don't stand a chance at attaining those kind of emotional resonances.

not only fall short of attaining emotional resonances, but are both also proolley a lot closer to the actual psychology of rape (tho that might be pop psychology, i'm not sure)

wait...did the smashing pumpkins influence anyone other than mcr?

(probably yeah, but who?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7wZhURS7X8

I remember hearing Sugar Ray's "Fly" and Smash Mouth's "Walking On The Sun" all the time on Detroit area radio during the summer of 1997. I absolutely hated the former and I still really dig the latter, though Smash Mouth as a whole is just horrible.

I know I have the first two Korn records and the first Fun Loving Criminals records but I have no idea why. They're in the ever shrinking pile of CDs that I've been too baffled or ashamed to dump into itunes.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Marilyn Manson was like the Elvis of popular American Rock during this ugly, ugly period.

Static X should probably be on this list as one of them actually got in trouble for being a rapey asshole.

Man I actually quite liked the 311 songs Ive heard! :/ They just seemed like fun party faux-ska tunes. Is there some cultural wart attached to them I'm unaware of?

Is there some cultural wart attached to them I'm unaware of?

faux-ska tunes.

faux-ska >>>> grunge

Wrongo. Plus 311 were more like reggae-metal than faux-ska. The cultural association with them is that they were widely embraced by ilx's favorite strawmen - fratboys. I personally wouldn't mind them if their lyrics weren't abyssmal.

Oh, and their singer/rapper too. Is that the same guy? Different guys? Better shoot everyone in that band with access to a vocal mic. It's the only way to be sure.

where is that old dom "I SURE DO HATE THOSE FRAT BOYS" thread when I need it?

Locked for meta.

naw, I can't even find it in search

Sorry, I meant "deleted from existance by an angry mod for meta."

right

Marilyn Manson was like the Elvis of popular American Rock during this ugly, ugly period.

Is this a compliment or a putdown?

depends on the Marilyn Manson album

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

interesting distribution of results! i knew bizkit and slipknot would have a strong lead, but the others got a lot of votes too.

Slipknot is so much better than half of this list. I don't know if its the lame masks or their more knuckleheaded fans, but something really seems to give non-listeners a false impression of them as just mooks. I'd take either of their first two albums over anything else released by any band on this list, except Korn's debut.

definitely the most extreme/noisiest band to hit it big. slipknot. meaning, they have made some music that wouldn't be out of place on a hanson or rrr release. i can definitely see a lot of people here hating them more than sugar ray or whoever.

"Bloodhound Gang's sexualized self-and-other-loathing"
wha? I thought they were basically PG-13 Weird Al?

did voters not (re-)listen to "come original" upthread? i feel trapped in the middle of a terrible, terrible road when i hear that song. wish i could agree that frat boys and their ilk are strawmen, but the really sad thing is that people who should be better than that also think "purple is the color of your energy - whoooaaaa" or whatever is some deep shit.

curious what slipknot voters' rationale was. they're basically a metal band with a dj right? crazy image + catchy "wait and bleed" chorus brought them above ground i figured.

Slipknot is so much better than half of this list. I don't know if its the lame masks or their more knuckleheaded fans, but something really seems to give non-listeners a false impression of them as just mooks. I'd take either of their first two albums over anything else released by any band on this list, except Korn's debut.

― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^this, though I've kind of outgrown Korn's first album; I can't really hear it anymore save for a couple tracks (other albums where this has happened for: Gish, The Bends)...in 1996, Korn had a weird, dangerous mystique, and the people I knew who were into them were weird, fringey, almost-goth druggies; definitely NOT jocks or other mooks!

my rationale for voting for Slipknot, as noted upthread, was that the other bands all have at least one goofy pop song I can enjoy. and also I hate '90s metal.

kinda surprised by how many votes Incubus got, they're definitely not a well liked band around here but they seem kind of inoffensive and unobtrusive to be getting the same number of votes as KoRn.

agree on incubus. at the time i actively hated goofy pop songs, so that definitely colors my impressions!

korn were probably a little outside of my high school's jock dude mainstream, but i think they got pretty good amount of local radio play. and mtv, right? have not listened to them since then. "blind" still sounds alright in my head.

Defense of Slipknot making me remember the late Don Decker, and this vintage 2001 article:

http://www.citypages.com/2001-12-19/arts/defying-death/all

actually, i'm thinking '95...it was 1996 when Life is Peachy came out...by that time they had that "A.D.I.D.A.S." song playing on MTV a bunch (I kind of dug it, I liked Twist and Porno Creep more though)(yeah they were a little rapey), plus they had that song on the Crow 2 soundtrack, Sean Olson...a lot of folks were starting to catch on; quite a few people were getting into them. they didn't get any kind of mainstream exposure or widespread acceptance really until 98, when Follow the Leader came out; it broke big right around the time when Three Dollar Bill Yall$ broke big, and both those albums were huge in my high school.

But in 1995, I'm telling you, it was the weirdo stoner misfits who were really into Korn.

ehhh Life Is Peachy and "A.D.I.D.A.S." really weren't any bigger than the self-titled album and "Blind"

life is peachy was the album for me, but think i'm a little younger maybe...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn#Follow_the_Leader.2C_mainstream_success_.281998.E2.80.931999.29

wow - who watched KornTV??

yes.. it's on youtube

Prior to the release of the band's third album, Korn produced a weekly online TV show, KornTV,[17] which documented the making of the record and featured special guests such as porn star Ron Jeremy, Limp Bizkit, and 311.

^^ rapey-ass hall of fame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xq0YgC8RkM

ron jeremy to thread. click on part 11 at your own risk.

ehhh Life Is Peachy and "A.D.I.D.A.S." really weren't any bigger than the self-titled album and "Blind"

yeah kinda...I remember the first time I heard Korn in '95, it was on the local modern-rock station, the first one we had in these here parts...it was called Buzz 95 and they used to do an hour where they would play any song you requested...somebody requested Korn, and they made a big deal out of playing something so...provocative. Or at least that was the implication. And then they played Chuted and Ladders.

Then I found out a little later the huge stoner/acid-head in our school was obsessed with that album...and the pair of goth-like girls who pretended they were witches were really into them too...but by the time Life is Peachy came out, it seemed a lot of people in my high school band were really into them, and not just the dorks I hung out with in the low brass section (I played baritone), but like the real well-to-do kids too...the girl who turned me on to Jim Morrison and Grace Slick, who was a member of one of the richest families in Homer, went all metalhead and she was obsessed with Korn for a while...but like I said, that was def. more '96/'97...

I'm prolley not qualified to make the generalizations I made...I'm speaking more from personal experience than anything.

yeah...they probably had a slow build like that all over where their demographic gradually changed

yeah we will agree that most mooks likely got into them after Follow the Leader, right?

I used to thing that All in the Family song they did with Fred Durst was super-cool, but now I'm thinking it's probably heavy metal's Gigli...

'used to think' grrr.....

which homer, drugs?

i grew up outside of baltimore. we definitely had an established "modern rock" station by mid 90s. i was 13 in 96, and i can remember hearing "bulls on parade" on there for the first time that year. couldn't give much of an overview off the top of my head otherwise. as for korn, by "freak on a leash" i was a guitar nerd and thought they were lame.

homer, michigan.

i hate to be like *groan* sticking up for 311, but their shit has nothing to do with ska-punk or whatever. they never used horns for one thing. but they get plenty of lols for song titles like "off-beat bare ass".

incubus are fucking disgusting, should've swept this poll

are there really eight fucking people in slipknot?

― The Reverend

Count again! It's worse than you think!

― Sean Carruthers

Eight again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiYwWeIUdJw&feature=related
(8:07-8:41)