Ciara - Basic Instinct (2010) (prod. The-Dream)

think this deserves its own thread really - it's certainly my most anticipated r&b release of 2010 so far. i've ended up obsessed with everything i've heard so far - tonight it's the lush slow jam, "i run it" - the way the chorus swells is so triumphant in its sensuality. "i'm gon do it til i've done it, and the next time they ask yoouuuu - you tell 'em that i run it!"

4 those not up 2 speed yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzjb9Cxyw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6bKK8-JJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmJbO2_RMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3iLdLTRgQ

let the games begin!

I really dig "Speechless" -- haven't given the others enough time to let them work their magic. But I will.

That fourth link is one of the least convincing displays of anger I have ever heard in a pop song and if as a pop star you can't fake being fucked off about something that someone's said about you on the internet then you've got a problem.

Yeah I know she's thriving off the attention as well but really getting up in your face is probably not her forte.

i love the title track. it's playful and the song structure is weird. seems to be about the interplay of anger/inspiration, so i don't think it's straight anger she's going for.

i dunno, i don't really recognise this Ciara, these hard edged Los/tricky(?) joints arent really what i want from her, she's sleeker than this like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0pe691q_Y

"i run it" and "speechless" are two of the softest songs she's done!

synths are still too buzzy or something, i dunno, i'd prolly be freaking out if these were leaked demos by a new kid at the party but Goodies was way too classic an album for me maybe

Yeah, this is my most anticipated album of the year!

Have we talked about the "Ride" video being banned from BET?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhQ4D-5v0d4
^^^Some awesome news in this

e.g. only two features--luda and -dream--on the album and, regarding the second single, "get ready to dance off the freakin' roof"

Have we talked about the "Ride" video being banned from BET?

really? why on earth...

i don't actually like the "ride" video that much, i mean she goes hard and it's a bit O_O and all that but it's pretty unimaginative

ride video and song are my favorite things of the year so far, surely. her moves are crazy, not to mention the way she looks. and the way the choreography is syncopated with the lyrics is ace. like, the first time i watched it, i actually heard every single word she was singing pop like a ring pop. from the very beginning when she's slamming the floor, to her marketing her bathing suit and fur coat, to the janet/michael inspired ATL hat and leggings moves, the package is an all around jaw-dropper. the imagination of the video lies in its purity of purpose -- no, these aren't new concepts, but they're presented like they're the most fresh, bold ideas out there. i have never seen the delta of sex, advertising and gender economics represented so well in my whole life. plus the whole song makes me weak in the knees.

i think 'basic instinct' is fun and that ciara goes in extremely hard

i run it sounds nice but a bit limp.
though might just be the youtube video.

it sounds like it was already a song to me, in a good way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9v50i_MqL4

YES

so appropriate that i'm hearing this while getting ready to go out

i like the letter S wit the line down the middle

this song is kooky

ok i have changed my mind abt this!

hasn't she done like 3 songs called "get it girl" already?

i market it so good

i can never really get over how shes called Ciara

?

it is like top five most popular irish girls name (real traditional, there was like three in my class in primary school) only you say it like Keera

i can never really get over how hes called plax (ico)

hasn't she done like 3 songs called "get it girl" already?

― what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, June 6, 2010 2:57 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNtMXdVEAU

btw this is my second most anticipated album of the year after terius himself

i guess it was "go girl" that i was thinking of

also she got an insane amt of press in ireland circa goodies (and 95% of it was "omg look what she's called!") ppl were p. disappointed when it turned out she pronounced it "wrong."

i know this makes me tuomas

Ciuomas

i like ireland.

yet you almost never vist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_blNZLoe1k

Chorus of "I Run It" is a little weak to me, but the verses are soooooooo astonishingly sexy it more than makes up for it.

i run it = !!!. i want to listen to it on big headphones looking out to an unspoilt vista from inside a grand designs house with bespoke windows while smelling cedar.

i think the chorus of "i run it" and "ride" burn nicely and purposefully slow to smooth out the verses

what the choruses to "i run it" and "ride" lack in words, they more than make up for in sheer voluptuous feel

how could i ever have been underwhelmed by "ride"? i have to listen to it thrice daily now.

i market it so good
they can't wait to try-y-y-y-y me-e-e-e
i work it so good
man, these niggas tryna buy-y-y-y me
he love the way i RIIIIIIIDE it
he love the way i RIIIIIIIDE it
he love the way i RIIIIIIIDE it
he love the way i RIIIIIIIDE the beat like a muhhfukkin freak - ohh!

i heard it at the strip club the other night. the way she enunciates "try me" kills

another R&B song with shit, garden variety 'freaky' sex lyrics.

cant wait.

" i market it so good " is def not a garden variety lyric but whatevs

i heard it at the strip club the other night. the way she enunciates "try me" kills

the stutter so jolting in the middle of all the griiiiinding going on

" i market it so good " is def not a garden variety lyric but whatevs

ok fine, another 'freaky' sex lyric awkwardly mixed with corporate sales speak.

EVEN BETTER.

she should talk about going door to door, pitching and cold calling in the remix.

you see, ciara could actually make the words "cold call" sound sexy

yea, i would actually really like to hear that remix. are there a lot of songs that ft corporate sales speak? can you name a few?

It'd be sexier than "pop pop pop like a toaster" which is one of those lyrics that makes me wonder if Terius could ever actually talk to girls prior to becoming massive.

some lines about presentations, power point and commission would be cool too.

" i market it so good ... " is def my favorite lyric of the year so far. awesomely blunt and self-aware.

and yea i actually really like tech speak in pop songs in general. i think real life should be made to sound sexy, if you can do it. why draw the line at (black)berries, texts and CC's?

"pop pop pop popin that shit like a toaster" is actually my fave line in the song lol

it's a great line, esp how it follows on from "in the kitchen, in the hallway, on the sofa" - it's kind of like back to the kitchen but lol

geez "i run it" is goooooood. chorus actually nails it for me.

i think the other reason i love the "market it" line is cuz she seems to be acknowledging that she's part of the game - part of the industry. and she's ok with it - more than that, she uses the tools of the trade to her full advantage. funny that it got banned from BET.

Just an FYI, Ride is #4 in the most downloaded music videos on itunes. Is this considered an achievement? I mean it is one of the most...arresting r&b videos that we have nowadays. Plus the video really helps the song.

One thing I'm noticing about Ciara is she is singing more like she dances. Alot more smoother and sexier. I hope she sticks with Dream and Tricky for this album.

I mean smoother and sexier. I'm speed typing. Apologize guys.

you know, i have mixed feelings about the ride video, but i can't argue with any of this:

ride video and song are my favorite things of the year so far, surely. her moves are crazy, not to mention the way she looks. and the way the choreography is syncopated with the lyrics is ace. like, the first time i watched it, i actually heard every single word she was singing pop like a ring pop. from the very beginning when she's slamming the floor, to her marketing her bathing suit and fur coat, to the janet/michael inspired ATL hat and leggings moves, the package is an all around jaw-dropper. the imagination of the video lies in its purity of purpose -- no, these aren't new concepts, but they're presented like they're the most fresh, bold ideas out there. i have never seen the delta of sex, advertising and gender economics represented so well in my whole life. plus the whole song makes me weak in the knees.

― i fake it so real, i am beyonce (surm), Friday, June 4, 2010 6:48 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

she really commits. also <3 <3 <3 the homage-to-pleasure-principle stuff

still really feeling I'm Up in the Bank toooo

"ride" remix! new beat! sweet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Njss5RshXI

her vocals!

One thing I'm noticing about Ciara is she is singing more like she dances. Alot more smoother and sexier. I hope she sticks with Dream and Tricky for this album.

― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, June 8, 2010 6:14 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

i didn't put it together at first that this is what Ride is about -- her dancing on the tune

After all the discussion of Ciara using corporate speak ("I market it so good") last night I had a dream that I was working with Ciara (production-wise) on some song where the second half of the chorus went "the club's my target market/the floor my focus group". In the way of dreams, the rest of the lyrics faded on my memory about five minutes after waking up but I think the line before had ended either in "loop" or "scoop".

that line

"Ride" and the title track are some of the worst garbage I've heard all year imo, sound like some lame shit i'd hear on a random R&B chick's MySpace page and would hit stop on after a minute

::drops mic, walks offstage dramatically::

*crowd boos, rustles*

*one man lets out an audible gasp*

its ur life to live i just dont envy you

atl georgia booties look like this size

23 waist, pretty face, thick thighs

ugh "Get It Girl" is trash too

fwiw i'm into "I Run It" and "Speechless," but i just wasn't even into the shouty/rappy tracks on the Electrik Red that much and imo they can at least pull them off better than Ciara

gucci1017 Gucci going in la. New Ciara and guccimane coming Soon

this was fantasy ride era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBNsP7ZGUM

ps i think keri has a track "git it girl" and it's awesome

and in it she goes "one hand in the air, U RUNNIN IT"

...

thats my favourite keri track!

"an' a mwahm mwahm yeah and it goes like-"

"i think the other reason i love the "market it" line is cuz she seems to be acknowledging that she's part of the game"

yeah, cos this is so unusual lol.

did i say it was unusual? no, i didn't. LOL. i just find it more blunt than usual.

AUGUST 10

i run it, you know, i run it <3

there's an absurd amount of good music coming out right now

ok AUGUST 17 (apparently it was originally AUGUST 24)

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3cpr9N2AA

(that's a remix of a waka flocka flame song, not a basic instinct track)

i endorse ciara rapping over waka flocka flame beats

really hope a gucci collab makes the album

also really hope that that's the cover

i forgot where i read this, but dream was saying that everyone felt like this is really it for ciara, this is the make or break album for her career, they were trying to get back to her essence etc (feel like it was the fader story but that doesn't seem right) & it is kind of crazy to me that "ride" is actually a hit after all

http://parlourmagazine.com/2010/06/the-dream-chats-rumors-marriage-and-new-baby-violet/

right okay

kind of a funny thing to say, no in that it's inaccurate, just very plainly stated

NEW SINGLE
skljdsklfjdsklfjdsklf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FeQxpT1Flw

very good -- won me over by the second chorus -- dream & tricky or?

super fun

feel bad i havent backed up somedude on this thread - 'ride' doesnt disgust me or anything but the fuck you guys' cosmic fascination is born from i dunno

guess at the end of the day it's just the differing constituent %s in this here beautiful broad church of homo thugs <3

aaahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha <3

Homo thugs got lots of corners up in this bitch.

ok basically this is boom boom pow w/o morons doing the vocals

i see what you mean, but i certainly don't think of boom boom pow when i hear it (thankfully).

I dig the wooziness of "ride". whole song already sounds pretty lethargic and the-dream's screwed bit seals the deal.

ludacris' "touchdown / HE SCORES!" bit is pretty awful, tho

it's like disney luda

luda has been getting more and more disney his whole career it seems like sometimes

surely this has now culminated in the luda/bieber partnership

I actually like the "touchdown/HE SCORES!" for summat reason

yea i don't mind luda in this verse, it's good if cheeseball. no high price but it scans.

ps gimme that sounded goood at 1 this morning

yeah i dig the luda verse - i think ppl are overly harsh on him tho, and i enjoy him pretty much on all his guest appearances so

My taste bad

lol

hahaha f u

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUciAEfpCgk&channel=ciaratv

"190 BPM, triple-time donk romp" http://www.thefader.com/2010/07/21/ciara-gimmie-dat-mp3/

i actually really, really like gimme dat

a lot

also i had no idea she was doing givenchy that is perfect

buzzin bass bridge is awes

http://www.youtube.com/user/iLPvideos#p/u/0/ih6tvr_YpO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6tvr_YpO8

<3 <3 <3 this is going to be great, that's v good chemistry

you can find 15 more mins of that if you click the link i posted above the video

i've been listening to the r&b station in stl and i still haven't heard "ride," but i did hear a dj talking over "speechless"!

i've heard "ride" a couple times on the radio, sounds great there

ciara Listening to HOT 1079 ATL, bumpin Ride- sweet!
about 10 hours ago via UberTwitter

i run it quickly reaching ride levels of enjoyment imo tbh

her vocals are just o_O

it's like if ride was the party i run it is when everyone has left

and btw the end of the title track is kinda crrazee!

so Speechless WITHOUT THE-DREAM is a single

i'm afraid to listen to this because I've probably heard the original a few hundred times now :/

i mean, at least it's not Ciara w/ Jason DeRulo or something, right?

http://toyaz-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/speechless.jpg

breathless

yeah, that's a stunning cover

i think it could work solo, am guessing it'd be substantially reworked?

either way in love with the cover

new version sounds fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku-IptBci0k

the earring looks ghastly. otherwise would have been a terrific cover.

she sounds quite diffident on that song. as if she doesnt know where the songs going. shes not the only one.

have to agree with that.

omg that cover

speechless interesting choice of single

the undulating ah-ah-ah-ah's in the chorus sound really unnatural and weird to me

i am anticipating this real hard though, leak should be upon us any day now

Dang; looks like we're going to have to wait a little while longer for this one. Just got an e-mail from a publicist saying it's not out until November.

smh

durrr

love "Speechless" almost as much as I hated "Ride," hope it gets big

^^

is this the first you've heard "speechless" al? or do you just much prefer the single version to the duet version that emerged pre-"ride"?

i like speechless but i haven't needed to listen to it since i first heard it

hope it does well tho!

i listened to "Speechless" once or twice when it was posted here and liked it, but i don't remember it well enough to know what differences there are between the leak and the single version, and i'm sure i probably like it better w/o The-Dream vox

She’s a global superstar whose infectious tunes have resulted in multi-platinum albums, smash singles and a truckload of awards. Her dazzling dance moves have mesmerized audiences worldwide. Her striking good looks have led to modeling opportunities and her magnetic screen presence has jumpstarted a promising acting career.

But with Basic Instinct, her fourth album, Ciara wanted to push things further than she ever has before. “With this album I wanted to take it back to the basics and bring back the bass,” says Ciara. “At the same time, I’m still showing my growth and trusting my first instinct, my basic instinct on everything – my music choices and creative choices.”

Ciara’s instincts ring true time and time again throughout the dynamic collection, which features her as an assertive, visionary woman whose life experiences have taught her to trust herself and her decision-making process. The up-tempo “Girls Get Your Money,” for instance, stands as the next girls’ anthem, as CiCi salutes women who go hard for their success, something she continues doing. She then shifts gears on the sultry yet charming “You Can Get It,” where the chanteuse takes a phrase typically associated with men and makes it her own.

“I remember playing that song in a meeting and a lot of the girls were laughing, like, ‘Uh huh,’ and the guys were saying the same thing,” Ciara recalls with a laugh. “The guys were like, ‘Yeah. We know what you’re talking about.’ I want to make a record for my girls, but what I’ve felt over the years is that when I do a record like ‘Oh’ or even ‘Promise,’ those records represent for my girls, but the guys like to hear it and hear their girls saying those things or doing the moves.”

Guys will certainly like the moves described in “Turn it Up (Heavy Rotation).” On this energetic, bass-heavy tune, Ciara imaginatively describes turning her man’s bed into a dancefloor during a secret rendezvous. There’s a definite sense of excitement, but Ciara also injects an air of innocence into the song. After all, she does want the door closed.

Ciara then delves deeper into relationships on the heartfelt “Speechless.” On this duet with The Dream, Ciara clamors for more time with her man while celebrating the feelings she has for him. More than material love, Ciara seeks the type of relationship where commitment is more than financial. “I look forward to a person taking time to hear me out,” she explains. “Spending time with me means more than anything. A bag is cool. It lasts for the moment. A shoe is cool. It lasts for the moment. But, if you spend time and you actually take a moment to hear what I say or get involved and support me, that’s the best feeling in the world.”

Of course, any relationship can have shortcomings. Ciara slows things down on the guitar-propelled “Flaws,” which details both her man’s deficiencies and Ciara’s steadfast willingness to stand by her mate despite them. It’s this type of confidence that also makes “What He Wants For Dinner” so compelling. On this reggae-tinged cut, Ciara sings about how she isn’t worried about other women trying to lure her man because she’s sure they cannot compare to her.

Ciara’s assuredness also manifests itself on “Gimme Dat,” a thick, uptempo tune that triumphantly announces her return to the music game, and on the album’s sultry first single “Ride.” Comparing herself to a gymnast on the latter, it’s no surprise that the cut’s video features her unparalleled, lithe dance moves and flawlessly toned physique. (Maybe that’s why the “Ride” video has more than 10 million YouTube views.)

In fact, this sensual, sexy selection features frequent collaborator Ludacris who adds a devilishly clever verse to the song, making for another memorable collaboration. “We joke with each other about how we’re almost like a group now,” says Ciara, who also worked with Ludacris on her platinum single “Oh” and “High Price.” “He just knows how to bring a different kind of energy, a unique energy to the record, and that’s why I love working with him. His animation is amazing and the way that he moves through a track is crazy. ‘Ride’ is a mid-tempo record, but the way he raps adds a cool tempo to it with his rhythm.”

To be fair, Ciara has added plenty to music in her own right. The Atlanta-based artist exploded on the scene in 2004 with her ubiquitous single “Goodies.” Featuring Petey Pablo and produced by Lil Jon, the song put her next to two of music’s biggest acts and Ciara stood tall, asserting that she was a strong, independent young woman who embraced and recognized her sex appeal but transcended just good looks.

Her music furthered this concept. Subsequent singles “1, 2 Step,” “Oh” and “And I” pushed her debut album, also titled Goodies, to triple platinum status. Goodies instantly established Ciara as a musical force with her silky voice, no-nonsense attitude, and fluid dance moves.

Ciara’s second album, 2006’s Ciara: The Evolution, was also certified platinum, marked her progression as a songwriter and spawned another round of hit singles: the creative “Like A Boy,” the sensual “Promise” and the ode to hood love “Can’t Leave ‘Em Alone” with 50 Cent. Her third album, 2009’s imaginative Fantasy Ride, included the infectious single “Love Sex Magic” with Justin Timberlake. The album was a bold artistic statement from Ciara, who imagined herself as the superhero Super C on the album’s artwork. Super C represents Ciara’s inherent strength and drive.

Having mastered the music world, Ciara is also fulfilling her other dreams with ease. She debuted in her first movie role, the MTV Films picture All You’ve Got and intends to continue to pursue acting. Additionally, Ciara is a rising model -- a natural progression cemented by her appearance in the June/July 2010 French edition of Vogue. “I love to mix and merge the worlds of fashion and music because I am very passionate about both,” says Ciara.

Ultimately, Ciara hopes to set herself and her family up so they never have any financial concerns. Planning for tomorrow, Ciara focuses on handling her business today. “When I talk to my team, I say, ‘We got to get that money,’” she says with a big smile. “I kind of joke about it, but at the same time, I’m serious about it. That’s my whole mindset so one day I can create a legacy for my family that we’ve never had. That’s one of my goals.”

For now, Ciara is focusing on promoting Basic Instinct, an album she hopes will inspire her fans – both to have fun to and to pursue their dreams. It’s also a landmark record for an artist who has hit a comfortable creative stride. “I’m really running with my ‘basic instinct’ -- the first feeling. I’m even giving more of myself, too, because I’m really private. Over the years, my music has been my voice. With Basic Instinct, I wanted to give more.”

Mission accomplished

^^^jive press release

Hello from Amazon.com.

We're writing about the order you placed on September 05 2010 (Order# xxx-xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx). Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the new release date:

Ciara "Basic Instinct"
Estimated arrival date: December 14 2010

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.

you need a man that when you reach for your money he say put that shit away

lol samosa

so is that mixtape that Pitchfork reviewed some official mixtape she made or just some random shit a DJ threw together?

it's a bootleg, i have no idea why they reviewed it -- they have this bizarre attachment to ciara

yeah they reviewed her last 2 albums but panned them both, go fig

i didn't listen to that tape but he pretty much praises all of the songs confirmed for the album (ride & basic instinct aside) & that "feelin on my ass" joint w/ gucci predates 'fantasy ride' so i really don't even know -- or if anyone even knows -- if the leaks are new or years old or what not

"gimmie dat" bangs so hard

rightthererightthererightthererighttheredon'tstopRIGHTHERERIGHTHERERIGHTHERE

^^

eh

JESUS CHRIST. VIDEO OF THE YEAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8mL-VsVB8

http://hiphopconnection.com/video.php/Ciara---Gimme-Dat-Full-Version-1610/

OMFG

i love her

yes the final version of this video is STUNNING

the leaked version was obv a mess (the editing i mean)

here's the final:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakgTQ_Ubzs

i like how they shoot 'fly' at an angle that makes it read 'fu'

directed at BET obv

PUT
THIS
ALBUM
OUT

the final versh is the one on her website, yes? (vevo blocking both the above on grounds of being fucking morons.)

i really like that video. ciara looks and the moves r amazing. the song is remixed a bit - it sounds different than the single i have been hearing. anyway, i like the whole thing, and i think it's gonna hold up well for repeat viewings and hearings.

i'm not always into the gazillion bpm thing ciara does but she nailed it this time. it's not just fast, it has tune.

on mah 3rd listen already

the black boys military segment in homage of everything from river dance to fosse to military training is genius

PUT
THIS
ALBUM
OUT

PLEASE ^^

na na na na na na na na na na

na

end montage with ciara in her lipstick is nothing but perfect

or should i say, ciaras

I'm still wrapping my head around the Chuck Taylors with clear platforms

i still have to watch this video at least thrice daily. live what the fader had to say on it:

At this point, Ciara’s videos are just vehicles for her body, DaVinci-like studies in anatomy and scientific documentation of how far a human person can do a backbend. It’s not even truly sexual, though clearly that’s the overarching text—Cici’s flexible and a freak and a half, so they want us to think, so much midriff, so much booty. But anyone who’s spent significant time in a dance class knows that sensual form is just that—form first, sensuality last, the isolating of muscles and athleticism above anything corporeal or lust.

*love

it's not just about how much of a contortionist she is though - she has this incredible sense of how to make her body respond to the beat, to become the beat. i'd love to talk to her choreographer about that. she has pretty much no rivals in pop re: dancing right now, right? given that justin's on hiatus, usher's irrelevant and as discussed elsewhere, beyoncé's dancing is actually deceptively simple.

"live" actually worked pretty okay

There are dance rivals, but not in the English-speaking pop world youtube.com/watch?v=iwPrEWVZpJA

Anyway, after the date changed, are the 'confirmed' tracks still confirmed, or have some been scrapped based on lack of commercial response? I'm really curious to see the final tracklist for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR1xuisvNy8

it's not just about how much of a contortionist she is though - she has this incredible sense of how to make her body respond to the beat, to become the beat. i'd love to talk to her choreographer about that. she has pretty much no rivals in pop re: dancing right now, right? given that justin's on hiatus, usher's irrelevant and as discussed elsewhere, beyoncé's dancing is actually deceptively simple.

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, October 18, 2010 10:12 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

lol what would you say to her choreographer?

o right ur like a reporter

how is usher "irrelevant"? he has a top 5 single right now and "omg" was a #1 hit this year. hes way more relevant than ciara

usher 2010 vs. nelly 2010

also wtf i thought -dream and luda were the only guests

also there's no way that's -dream and tricky

apparently prod by a dude named 't-minus'

doubt it's on the album... seems like there was a rash of usher leaks today

ok so according to mediatakeout (lolz) terius and ciara are DATING

O_O

noooooooooooooooo

^my exact reaction

i'm speechless

dream def has more game than i would have given him credit for if I didn't know his hx

one word....grose!

time to dust off the old cowboy boots

OMG your source is Media Take Out of all freaking places. You know that website hates everyone right? I hardly think Ciara is dating The-Dream. He is already involved with the woman he had an affair with. I think Ciara mentioned the rumor on her twitter:

Woke up this morning to see a funny rumor on the blog. All I can do is luagh. Better they talk then not I guess...#UGOTME 1:32 PM Oct 23rd via ÜberTwitter

It's only the men in the hip hop/r&b blog scene worried about who is having sex or fucking for tracks. *Roll Eyes*

Plus I like the Usher and Ciara song.

my dude calm down lol

Um I was calm when posting that. I was more laughing at the thought of someone posting something from media takeout on ILM of all places. Especially when it doesn't involve uh music at all.

And the "my dude calm down" is condescending.

lol okay guy

The Brainwasher = Our own little Perez Hilton of ILM

shut up

yeah seriously I mean I said

ok so according to mediatakeout (lolz) terius and ciara are DATING

i'm aware that mediatakeout isn't a credible source

also who cares

Why is it that Dream makes great albums with Ciara and Electrik Red but when it comes to Mariah, the album ends up sounding so boring? She didn't let him utilize the fast Prince-esque sound that I've come to love from him and for some reason that upsets me. I feel like disrespecting her for not allowing Dream to have more control. She should just retire writing her own stuff for a while.

Hey The Brainwasher didn't mean to portray ill will. My bad.

I get the feeling Terius was a little intimidated making an album for Mariah. Didn't feel free to fuck around as much as he would have with a "lesser" project.

I feel like that with his uptempo linn drums a lighter, more restrained voice works great with it. I feel like Mariah doing her vocal acrobatics would just ruin the novelty of the linn drum. She does better when their is a more stable tempo to the music.

er, i really don't agree with that -- for one thing, 'memoirs' has two interludes that are unlike anything dream has ever done & are also rather frivolous, also the first thing he ever did w/ her was 'touch my body' which isn't, like, overtly theatrical or things that i would associate w/ someone being intimidated w/ working w/ mariah

also i think we should keep in mind -- a lesson learned from the e red album, by terius' admission -- is that these albums are definitely collaborative -- i think you can hear that in something like 'gimme dat' which could only be written for ciara -- so i think you have to take into account that, you know, maybe it was a joint decision b/w terius & mariah to do what they did w/ 'memoirs'

xp

also terius' first big writing credit was with britney when she was still a huge star and, oh yeah, madonna -- so i'm not sure if he's easily intimidated

But Touch My Body doesn't have a Prince like linn drum sound to it. I'm thinking more Prince "Erotic City" type of drum programming. I wouldn't think Mariah would do great with that type of song unless she really held back. Granted she has held back her voice before with great results (Breakdown), but when it comes to her uptempo stuff like Fantasy her voice really shines.

i was addressing the post before yours

also i don't know shit about drum programming

I dunno, How To Be A Lady is just so much more fun than Memoirs...
Blame Mariah?

yeah, but it's not like mariah hasn't had lots of fun stuff on albums before, right up to and including e=mc2

also the mariah album is real great

obviously everyone in the world loves fantasy but if you only rly like her uptempo/fun stuff youre missing out on like, maybe 2/3 of the total potential gold

right, but when it's a full album like that it gets really easy to lose interest

beyoncé's dancing is actually deceptively simple

not that i'm really trying to go out of my way to defend beyonce but with a choreographer like jonte i don't think her dancing can really be reduced to simple

why would it be gross if dream and ciara are dating?

/tuomas

Didn't feel free to fuck around as much as he would have with a "lesser" project.

i actually listened to memoirs yesterday for the first time in ages, not having seen this discussion! i'd disagree that terius didn't stretch himself on it: we all know what terius in autopilot "let's make a hit" mode is like, and it's definitely not like anything on memoirs, which was a bit of a curveball from both terius and mariah at that point. especially as everyone assumed she'd at least partly got him on board because she wanted hits after "touch my body" was the only commercially successful thing off e=mc2, and then they turned round with this wilfully uncommercial, mood-heavy album w/so few obvious singles that mariah had to be sent back into the studio to do a token 80s cover. i get the impression that memoirs was exactly the record terius and mariah both wanted to make, and that the way it sticks defiantly to its aesthetic (contra the scattershot e=mc2) is a result of the way they bonded.

did terius actually do "gimmie dat"? last i heard, they'd chickened out of making the ciara album an all-terius affair.

otm

That's otm, but that doesn't make it enjoyable to listen to.

being mainly a slow-burner doesn't make it unenjoyable to listen to, either. obviously, joy is subjective, and there's only so much discussion that can possibly lead anywhere on this point.

i've lost track of what i've said about memoirs, but one of my biggest take-aways from the album is that i see it as kind of a tennis match. in tennis, they always talk about the "big points" -- playing the big points well. i think the majority of the album is gorgeous, but there are moments that should have been ommitted, or moments that were handled improperly. these sorts of tracks become especially important on an album with a slower pace than the artist's norm. had there been a few more clear hits interspersed, i think the piece as a whole would have taken on a very different feel.

with regard to how to be a lady -- i still cannot really say a bad thing about the album, but i still have never really wanted to put it on. it's wonderful, it's clean, it's smart -- but i have never wanted to actually put it on. even though more mistakes were made on memoirs, it continues to intrigue me more.

For some reason i prefer The-Dream's demos of the Memoirs tracks, maybe just cause i like hearing him sing from a feminine perspective

just re-visited Gimme Dat video with my boyfriend. he had never seen it. that is some seriously mind-bending shit. not to mention the song, itself.

"gimmie dat" and "speechless" were just released in the uk - holy shit the 320 mp3 of "gimmie dat" slayyyyyyys

gimmiegimmiegimmiegimmiedatBASS

also hell0 yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MseNXKr4OYY

^^^^yes^^^^

this is totally shaping up be her best album

omg

shut 'em up

reminds me of 2 things - keri hilson 'get ur money up' and jt/timba 'carry out'

but so much better

Not bad. Still prefer "Ride."

this is totally shaping up be her best album

if only it was shaping up to be released

:(

is shut em up sposed to be on this?

is it still dec 14?

I'm still wrapping my head around the Chuck Taylors with clear platforms

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:41 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

enjoying the symbolism

so weirdly her "deuces" remix seems to have been a touchpoint for all sorts of remixers? the two here - http://thestayspun.com/2010/11/08/ciara-deuces-nguzunguzu-dubbel-dutch-remixes/ - and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4fDi23fna0

my fav of the three is the nguzunguzu one but they're all great in their own ways

Nguzunguzu remix (typing that out is going to become a pain in the arse) is lush.

yes

i think this confirms that the beat for "deuces" is a classic but the actual song is so terrible that no one wanted to fuck with it

yeah word

I like it more than I Run It, which feels so obviously like a Terius song with Ciara's fairly translucent persona laid over it. A worry about this album for me is that Terius's songwriting style is very distinctive and Ciara maybe doesn't have enough personality to make it her own.

I mean popping like a toaster is such an obvious Terius line and totally not the sort of thing I could ever imagine Ciara saying.

I don't think the whole lp will be terius-written any more :(

Have u heard "gimmie dat" matt? Or even more u+k, seen its video?

1. Basic Instinct (U Got Me)
2. Ride (Radio Edit) featuring Ludacris
3. Gimmie Dat
4. Heavy Rotation
5. Girls Get Your Money
6. Yeah I Know
7. Speechless
8. You Can Get It
9. Turn It Up featuring Usher
10. Wants For Dinner
11. I Run It

http://defpenradio.com/ciara-basic-instinct-tracklist-album-cover/

:( if solo version of "speechless"

yeah, i've def come around to solo version but -dream one is way better

the real :( is "Turn It Up"

i haven't come around. solo vers just sounds like half of what it can be.

she's hosting 106 & park tonight in place of rocsi -- pretty cute imo

- where is "shut em up"? where is "get it girl"? where is "one more dance"? where is "blauw"? these new ones had better be worth it.
- radio edit? radio edit??? you are fucking shitting me - ciara insists on ballsing up another perfect song by pussying out of the swears.

^^both the above pretty much reprise my thoughts on seeing the fantasy ride track listing.

yeah I am really disappointed in this tracklisting :(

I can't wait to hear the inevitable single entendres in "Wants For Dinner"

Gimme That got busted out at the club/house party I was at last night over proper speakers. Gimme That Bass, indeed.

shut em up is a remix of another dude's song (same sorta situation w/ cici on "hard in da paint")

blauw is my fav one that's not on the album i think

at least "I Run It" wasn't cut!

except "hard in da paint" is actually a hit song -- i'm not sure if anyone has ever heard the other dude's version of "shut em up" -- i don't think i have

here u go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Dsonr-CYk

i sort of feel bad for this guy -- cici's "shut em up" vs this guy's "shut em up" is sort of like the bow wow "i'm a flirt" vs the r kelly "i'm a flirt" of r&b songs that internet nerds love but will never officially see the light of day

also "I Run It" is listed as 5:15!

"I Run It" is kinda boring.

yeah so i have this and it's excellent - all the new tracks are good-to-very very great, "yeah i know" and "wants for dinner" are particularly amazing.

it's probably my album of the year tbh, even though it could do with being longer due to several amazing songs not making the final track listing

also have to pretend that the "clean version" of "ride" doesn't exist

seriously seriously obsessed with "wants for dinner" now, so gorgeous

huff and puff
try all your lil stuff
but my love is built out of bricks - yeah!
and your love is built out of sticks - yeah!

you can entertain him all day long
but i'm what he wants for dinner

These are terrible on paper.

they're amazing on record.

final version of "i run it" is so good, they've added this gorgeous drifting horn line buried low in the mix and this wonderful piano-led extra section <3

dknvkldfjglfkd

is the usher song better?

i hadn't heard it before - it's pretty good for the trashy pop song, super-catchy and light enough to work. kinda like "get it girl".

so jealous!!

I'm imagining a strip club anthem for "girls get your money" - what's that one like?

also i assume it's the dreamless speechless?

nah "girls get your money" is cute and tongue-in-cheek, all horns and handclaps and a rap breakdown - it'll sound great in the summer. "yeah i know" is the strip club anthem!

yeah dreamless speechless sadly :(

whoa so pretty, didn't think "gimmie dat" could be made this pretty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikydPdT28Y

alright so it's at the point where anytime this thread gets bumped my hopes get up about a leak

oh man

yeah thats nice

yeah thats hot - remember this tho:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q10IlgnzfPk

top 10 ciara song imo

MAYBE top 5

goddamn someone really needs to break into polow's vaults and let the HQ of that out

Just got my review copy of Basic Instinct last night. It's strong throughout; a really tight, muscular album, easily one of her most uptempo. I don't know who produced what, but most of it is clearly Dream/Tricky: the title track has that super dense, nervy Dream production I love. "Wants For Dinner" is all plinking pianos and finger snaps and AY!s and spritzy synths. The closer "I Run It" is a "February Love"-ish ballad; very pretty, and surprisingly simple and elegant. "You Can Get It" most hits my sweet spot—it's light on its toes and very "Mr. Yeah." So, so good.

snippets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-bUuA0F50A&feature=player_embedded

"wants for dinner" slaying me right now

YUH GIRL YUH GIRL
YUH GIRL YUH GIRL

STOP
QUIT PLAYIN
MOVE ON

MAYBE top 5

Actually possibly my favourite Ciara tune, crappy audio notwithstanding.

it's an amazing piece of music but i genuinely can't cope with the sound quality, it pains me every time i try to listen

leakkkkkkkkkk

i'm paranoid about downloading, so i'm waiting for someone to upload tracks on youtube or something :)

man "i run it" is O_O

I'm looking forward to it, "Ride" seems to be truly amazing. Ciara is a cute beast

the beat fuckery in the last minute of "yeah i know" is soooo good

man "i run it" is O_O

how have i only just noticed that she sings "take me, base me, hold me down"

her "deuces" remix is still so great

you won't find another girl, yeah
that'll love U like C, touch U like C
too bad that U couldn't even C

man "i run it" is O_O

― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Sunday, December 5, 2010 9:25 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

definitely one of my favorite songs of the year

the vocals kill me

http://open.spotify.com/track/3KC6TG6OCXY0Hta3Nkci9D

amazing, single of the year so far...

i love "Speechless" and "Gimmie Dat" is getting close to top 10 of the year material for me, but i still just do not fuck with "Ride"

beginning/end coda of 'ride' "catch me in the mall.." is so good

not only beginning/end but the whole track is filled with impeccably good hooks, i can't recollect better cuts done on vocals than what we get in "Ride"

Just listened to Gimme Dat four times in a row. Don't slay me for this comparison: it reminds me of M.I.A. when she was *good*.

well the problem w/ that comparison is that "gimme dat" sounds like tons of stuff ciara did before anyone even knew who MIA was

like which songs?

not exactly, of course, but it's clearly working off of the template of songs like "goodies" & "1, 2 step" & "get up" and most recently "work"

"Galang" came out in 2003, and got popular in 2004. They basically came to prominence around the same time.

oh

well, regardless

"i run it" was obviously designed to appeal to me but i just feel like the verses are kinda weak compared to the rest of the song. vocals do slay tho

yeah the MIA argument makes zero sense. "Gimmie Dat" just sounds like a Ciara song, albeit a really amped up version of an established template for a Ciara song.

"you can get it" seemed a light trifle at first but listened on headphones and now and there are so many amazing details in the mix - that purring bass is just viiiiibes

I knew I was gonna fall in love with you can get it the first time. And ride is officially my single of the year. It's official, fellas.

i'm glad to hear that

:) I'm glad you're glad

Heavy Rotation makes even more sense in the meta-text of The-Dream songwriting if you imagine that something from 12 Play is the guy's favourite song.

nice kilo ali nod on "heavy rotation"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRvYA7qT7g

xp yeah I love that bass slapping at the end of "you can get it" - that's probably my favorite one here besides "I Run It" (EPIC)

getting slight reggae vibes from "wants for dinner"!

'i run it' is awes
just came here to say that
also that youtube bw posted is A++

initially i was kind of disappointed that this was only 12 tracks or w/e but i thin it's a big strength of the album right now

also the singles off of this are massive

not like i'm breaking any news there, but really

mhmm

I know it's been said before but i wish the duet version of Speechless was on here.

getting slight reggae vibes from "wants for dinner"

Also the harmonies midway through Gimme Dat, really unexpected in that setting. I'm enjoying this a lot, the speed and bassiness and general dancefloor readiness in particular.

12 tracks is fine, most albums would benefit from being cut down to 12 tracks.

ugh, point taken.

ok, just to weigh in on all this,

hott tracks:
i run it
speechless
heavy rotation
wants for dinner

ok traxx:
you can get it
yeah i know
ride

ehh:
turn it up
gimme dat
basic instinct
girls get your money

did i miss anything. ill probably only fuck w/ the top tier stuff for the future

might move 'gimme dat' up a notch, its ok

its weird the lame songs are zzzz and the good songs are A++++ will play again a lot & put on mixtapes & shit

but the lame songs are awful

yeah i sort of agree i think - i gotta listen more tho

i don't really agree at all -- i think the three singles are pretty massive & then there are a few really great album tracks ("heavy rotation", "girls get your money", "i run it") & i think it adds up to a really, nice breezy album that's a nice change up for longer & denser r&b albums like the-dream, dirty money, badu etc

change up from*

"girls get your money",

this is single ladies redux w/ a worse hook

i think "Gimmie Dat" and "You Can Get It" are the best.

yeah those two were alright to me, 'you can get it' was too much of a 'trading places' style plink-plink-plink los track for me to feel totally moved by it, but i did put it 2nd tier. might be selling it short.

'gimme dat' shoulda been 2nd tier i do like it at moments, im just not sure it really comes together?

its got all these cool tricks in it but as a song its just not hitting ~like that~

they were both slowish burners for me - the "gimmie dat" video and listening to "you can get it" on headphones pushed them both into first-tier love for me. there's something about "gimmie dat" which gels so well w/ciara's general aesthetic that makes it initially seem a lot more generic than it really is (also cuz i mentally filed it alongside "get it girl" as another 5000bpm club joint when they leaked around the same time)

"heavy rotation" and "turn it up" are the only ones i'd put into the second tier, really (and i still like both fine) (ok i'd rather have the explicit "ride" and the duet "speechless" too)

heavy rotation is great! u crazy

thats prob my favorite track

in consideration id probably be more likely to push 'gimme dat' into top tier if only bcuz it is def one of the more unique tracks ...'you can get it' is still too much of a reiteration of other similar the-dream traxx for me

really?! huh. maybe i need more time with it, it just didn't stick out. i'm sure it'll grow on me, second-tier ciara songs have a habit of doing that.

xp

oh yeah i also put together a basic instinct mixtape playlist (she originally said she was doing all those rap covers for a mixtape, and there are a few good-to-excellent leaks that never made the album) -

i'm up in the bank
blauw
one more dance
get it girl
shut 'em up
deuces
hard in da paint
pretty girl swag
deuces (drew austin remix)
deuces (dubbel dutch remix)
deuces (nguzunguzu remix)

"blauw" being the pick of those imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8EXyqcOU6w

better work it like you're s'posed ta
if i take it out this holster

heavy rotation is great, but the album at large disappointed me. i couldn't believe it was over when we got to u can get it (which is officially Amazing, btw), and i felt like the midsection of the album didn't pull me in enough. i'm not a big fan of speechless. it sounds a little too gospel to me in a way that i don't appreciate; it's too dream for my ciara-tendencies. and turn it up is a real clunker.

still, the highs of the album are unparalleled: gimme dat, ride, i run it, basic instinct, u can get it (which my boyfriend accurately dubbed the white picket fence 'i run it')

will be listening more to the rest for clearer observations.

Album is okay, 6/10 or 7 at a push. Most of the problems come from the fact that Ciara doesn't really have a personality and she's unconvincing at the ones she tries to impose on the tracks. I don't buy her as a confrontational rapper (Basic Instinct), I don't buy her as an anthemic rabble-rouser (Girls Get Your Money), I certainly don't buy her as a rampant sex vixen (most of the tracks).

The beats are largely banging but she just isn't able to dominate them properly, and there are some moments where her voice is just embarassingly paper thin - number one being the "this one here's a banger..." section of Gimme Dat.

Also coupled with this is the nagging sensation that Terius and Tricky are either spreading themselves too thin or just aren't versatile enough. The middle section of this (Girls Get Your Money through to You Can Get It) feels like they're just going through the motions. Also "you are my Ducati..." one motorcyle reference a year is enough Terius you lazy tosser.

Also who wrote the lyrics to Heavy Rotation? "I love watching you watch the game with your bros, then we go upstairs and play your favourite song so loudly people won't hear my screaming orgamsm". Dudes projecting their fantasies onto female popstars is always kinda ewww.

i disagree about her voice and her personality, and i don't think the thinness of the Gimme Dat vocals is necessarily a problem -- i simply think the songwriting is not strong enough on too many tracks, as you say about the middle section.

but yea those lyrics lol

i would say that the songwriting does not suit her personality about a few of these tracks, in addition to not being quite good enough in general, as opposed to saying that she doesn't have a personality.

But the thing is that Ciara's real personality is "kinda boring maybe Christian girl with a dull tennis player's media coaching". It's not really one that gives writers much to work with.

Best tracks are Ride and Wants For Dinner anyway. The latter is one of the few times when I actually believe Ciara, also the track is sort of gritty and rich and full in the way that Dream beats rarely are.

her personality is more like "sweet girl with a lot of sexy and some class"

and her voice is lush with bitcrushed falsetto in a very singular way. the idea that you cannot write a great song for ciara is misguided.

Yeah I get that, the best songs I've heard her on (and certainly the most believable) are Promise and Like A Boy, they just seem to suit her voice and personality so much better than the bulk of what she's given. She's fine on pure club bangers as well - Goodies, Ride, Oh, etc but the effect kind of wears thin over a whole album.

i think the fact that ciara loves to dance is totally crucial to her personality - she goes at her music like an athlete

Yeah but that doesn't actually carry over to the music, that athleticism just isn't audible in her music and her voice is a big part of the problem there.

"ride"

and yes i def hear a lot of athleticism in her voice, i believe ride

i believe that she works it that good, and rides the beat like a mf freak.

ie she sounds overwhelmed by the bangers more often than she's actually riding them. (xpost)

Haha that makes matt's tennis player comparison seem even more appropriate. No wonder you adore her lex.

this + her last album edited into one wd rule

Multiple x-post there.

that athleticism just isn't audible in her music

it totally is!! her voice is so elastic, her voice basically does to the music what her body does in her videos

xo

Athleticism requires some power to actually go with the elasticity though.

she's more like a gymnast than a sprinter

The point still applies.

was there ever a .gif made of the fur coat w/o undulating abs shot from the ride video?

Also who wrote the lyrics to Heavy Rotation? "I love watching you watch the game with your bros, then we go upstairs and play your favourite song so loudly people won't hear my screaming orgamsm". Dudes projecting their fantasies onto female popstars is always kinda ewww.

― Matt DC, Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:41 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is kind of the charm of the-dream's writing no, cf electrik red

pls let's not ruin that moment wit a gif

matt, power can be quiet, in my opinion

for ex, there is tremendous power in the vocals on 'i run it', 'ride' and 'u can get it'

also consider how beyoncé-style power would totally ruin most of ciara's songs

like can you imagine xtina doing "i run it"

stop

Yeah but my complaint isn't about songs like I Run It, it's about songs like Girls Get Your Money, or for that matter Gimme Dat. Beyonce would totally make those her own, Ciara just can't, she just ends up sounding a bit weedy and overwhelmed.

just realized the 1st verse of i run it is also self-referential about her voice

this is kind of the charm of the-dream's writing no, cf electrik red

Ugh I hate that on the ER album as well - it's just kind of creepy. But I don't think The-Dream had anytning to do with Heavy Rotation?

I think Ciara has an air of strong confidence in herself, whereas beyonce projects it outward as a born to rule all she sees queen b mentality. Compare bids for gimme dat and diva.

whoa yr right! surprised xp

gimme dat video always reminds me of beginning of diva video. coincidence?

i think 'wants for dinner' is being slept on & it doesnt sound much like any other approach tricky has taken before

ike can you imagine xtina doing "i run it"

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

stop

― boo (surm), Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol ramzi

:)

my bf said that in the gimme dat video, she is trying to be everything to everybody. i see his point, and i'm not sure that it doesn't apply to parts of this album as well.

i think 'wants for dinner' is being slept on

it's def the one that i thought was really special when i first heard it

my bf said that in the gimme dat video, she is trying to be everything to everybody. i see his point, and i'm not sure that it doesn't apply to parts of this album as well.

i thought that applied far more to fantasy ride, which suffered from trying to be her big pop move - basic instinct is a return to a relatively narrow couple of niches that she ploughs really well - ie 50000bpm street dance soundtracks and multilayered, cushioned sex joints

don't you think that's sort of epitomized with turn it up tho?

and in some ways girls get your money

yeah, but "turn it up" doesn't really feel representative of the album's overall aesthetic - it's what "kill bill" was to HTBAL. whereas fantasy ride did scrabble around and try to glom on to any trend going.

what else really sounds like "girls get your money" in the charts atm? it's a very cici song.

atm? i don't know. all i know is the girls already got they money a while ago, cici's late on this.

different lyrics woulda put that song at the top o' the pack

i don't know, it's not like any of the lyrics on Basic Instinct are thematically fresh...why do you forgive "gimme dat bass" and not "girls get your money"?

good question. it's less corny? maybe that's it

pretty much loved it. overall just didn't feel "turn it up", still HR with TURN IT UP TURN IT UP TURN IT UP BABY U CAN PUT IT ON ME 2 UR FAVOURITE SONG in her voice does it well for me. yeah, those lyrics... some girls being like a boy, go figure :)

Three (or four) songs just aren't my thing. That's not their fault.

"YOU GOT ME/UP OFFA MY TWITTA" is pretty hilarious, though.

pretty fun ;)

i think it IS their fault .... that's 3 or 4 songs off a 12 track record! somebody's at fault.

okay, so are *all* the songs censored, even on the standard version? the first song on my CD copy is marred by about a dozen edits, then there's no "ride the beat like a muthafuckin' freak" -- just a super-lame "like a ..... freak, freak"

#1 comment on youtube re i run it

"imma be fuckin to this song as soon as the album drops LOL"

terius -- is that you?

impressive restraint in 2010 to not fuck to a song until the official release date

lol

it'd be declassé to fuck to a low-bitrate leak

we doing 360s, yeah crazy sex
but only at 320kps

i am AMAZED that terius hasn't used 320 as a metaphor yet

the vocals are all kinds of jacked in the beginning but i love this arrangement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YkPJ9kpBEM

left hip right hip put yr back into it <3

"blauw", seriously - grinds so hard. why was this not on the album?! such a sucker for cock-as-gun metaphors. "betta work it like you're s'posed ta / if i take it out this holsta" vs "shoot that, imma shoot back" (like...think about that one!) vs "i wanna see the gun, can you put me on the run?" vs the bits when the song just devolves into post-human clicks and moans instead of actual words

LOOK RIGHT IN THE CAMERA

i definitely don't regret making this my no 1 of 2010 yet btw

i am AMAZED that terius hasn't used 320 as a metaphor yet

It's not clumsily obvious enough for Terius. He's clearly never spent longer than 10 seconds thinking whether or not a metaphor is a good idea or not.

Just read about the album sales for this one. Depressing.

Do tell?

Straight Wikipedia, hence phrases like "a downward trend in success":

Basic Instinct debuted at number forty-four on the US Billboard 200 chart, with first-week sales of 37,000 copies. Consequently, it marks the first time in Ciara's career that one of her album's has missed the top three, as well as continuing a downward trend in success ... Basic Instinct opened at number eleven, again becoming Ciara's lowest charting album of her career thus far.

In the following weeks, Basic Instinct continued to tumble down the charts. In week two it registered the eighth biggest fall on the Billboard 200, dropping fifty places to number ninety-four.[40] On the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart is registered the seventh largest fall of the week, only falling eleven places to number twenty-two.

Two thoughts: Had the record come out in late summer, when "Ride" was a serious radio hit, it certainly would have fared better; and releasing it during a curiously busy December for major R&B releases did it no favors at all.

slow burner for me. i'll let j0rdan/deej guess what my fave song on it is.

the biggest factor in her downward sales arc has gotta be downloads. point blank. 'scream tour' attendees just dont buy cds like that

i also don't think ciara's particular strengths are all that suited to or bendable to current pop trends - like she was never gonna pull a rihanna, really, and yet that's the benchmark she's judged against for some reason

i'm pretty happy just having her as a personal favourite. basic instinct >>>>>>> loud, and fuck the sales figures

i also don't think ciara's particular strengths are all that suited to or bendable to current pop trends.

OTM. She's so great when she's not trying to crossover from urban to Top 40, and so very, very bad when she is.

I do wonder how much of the blame for Basic Instinct's commercial failure falls on The-Dream/Tricky Stewart creative team. Ciara was on a commercial decline well before their resuscitation attempt, but Basic Instinct's sales along with the commercial disappointment of Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel make it hard to imagine labels will keep giving Terius and Tricky such creative control over entire albums.

yeah honestly

the biggest factor in her downward sales arc has gotta be downloads. point blank. 'scream tour' attendees just dont buy cds like that

― *gets the power* (deej), Monday, January 17, 2011 11:00 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ugh, you always with the same boring 'insight' and in this case it couldn't be more wrong. she doesn't make hits like she used to, other stars in her general niche like Keri are selling better, the young audience she had early in her career has moved on and the new R&B tweens are into other shit, and really Ciara was probably never gonna have a very long term career.

i'm pretty happy just having her as a personal favourite. basic instinct >>>>>>> loud, and fuck the sales figures

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:04 (29 minutes ago) Permalink

i disagree, as you could have guessed. LOUD songwriting on the whole easily shows this up, even if the highs on this are thru the roof. definitely did not expect to feel that way before i heard both these albums, but there it is.

OTM. She's so great when she's not trying to crossover from urban to Top 40, and so very, very bad when she is.

― Evan R, Monday, January 17, 2011 10:29 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

i dont get this. her early career was all top 40

ugh, you always with the same boring 'insight' and in this case it couldn't be more wrong. she doesn't make hits like she used to, other stars in her general niche like Keri are selling better, the young audience she had early in her career has moved on and the new R&B tweens are into other shit, and really Ciara was probably never gonna have a very long term career.

― Alex Da Dad (some dude), Monday, January 17, 2011 10:34 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

does keri have a younger audience??

& this next question is intended nonconfrontationally but i genuinely dont know the answer, who is selling in that demo?

i mean i agree she was never an album artist -- but singles artists used to sell cds too & now they dont

in the (admittedly somewhat false) binary of urban vs. top 40, "Goodies" and "Oh" and "Promise" are all pretty firmly urban

lots of people have platinum singles but not platinum albums these days; Ciara has neither

i guess i dont get that binary at all, in that case

also 1, 2 step xp

not saying Keri's audience is younger but she has a similar image/sound/niche to Ciara and though she's a newer star with less name recognition she's outsold Ciara twice now

'oh' strikes me as the most top 40 possible R&B single ever

i think we're talking about "pop" moves like the Eurohouse song w/ Usher on Basic Instinct, not songs with Jazze Pha and Missy that happened to do really well on pop radio

i think that those were the 'pop moves' of that era??

also i said this before but i think the Mariah and Ciara and Electrik Red albums flopping hurts the artists' careers way more than the producers; if Tricky/Terius stop getting chances to exec produce albums like that it'll be because some other hitmaker has more buzz and takes their spot. Timbaland has exec produced tons of albums and nobody ever said "hey maybe he shouldn't do this Justin album because those Brandy and Bubba Sparxxx records didn't sell so hot," they just know he make hits and would rather take a bet on him than anyone who doesn't.

i bet sometimes too they hand those guys these projects w/ the implicit understanding that its not on them to make sales out of an artist they're ready to write off anyway

well i guess they werent writing off mariah but still

i think we're talking about "pop" moves like the Eurohouse song w/ Usher on Basic Instinct, not songs with Jazze Pha and Missy that happened to do really well on pop radio

Exacto. And let's not forget that awful "Love Sex Magic" track with Justin Timberlake, which actually was a pretty decent Hot 100 hit (#10), but was rightly shunned by R&B/hip-hop formats (#83).

i guess i dont see how 'oh' was any less of a 'pop move' just bcuz it wasnt euro

i mean its not like it sounded like maxwell or something

& this next question is intended nonconfrontationally but i genuinely dont know the answer, who is selling in that demo?

― *gets the power* (deej), Monday, January 17, 2011 11:39 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that falls into the larger conversation that's been going on on the rolling R&B thread elsewhere about the fact that there's a widening gap between pop and R&B radio, where a few years ago Ciara and Ne-Yo and Chris Brown got huge airplay on both, now pop radio's big on kind of dancey vaguely R&B stuff like Taio Cruz and Jason DeRulo that gets no urban airplay

these are the 2 posts this conversation stemmed from:

lex: i also don't think ciara's particular strengths are all that suited to or bendable to current pop trends.

evan r: OTM. She's so great when she's not trying to crossover from urban to Top 40, and so very, very bad when she is.

maybe you think "Oh" sounds like she was trying to cross over from urban radio, I personally don't, but it feels like you're turning this into a completely different conversation.

'oh' sounds like an attempt to cross over from urban radio, sure -- its a total pop R&B move -- i think the issue might be that its harder to do that now than it was then, ok

is taio cruz selling LPs?

'oh' sounds like an attempt to cross over from urban radio, sure -- its a total pop R&B move -- i think the issue might be that its harder to do that now than it was then, ok

^^^By this i mean, harder to do now without incorporating other trendz ie euro production

ugh pls let's never talk about love sex magic again

yeah i don't get at all how "Oh" is more crossover than "Goodies" or any other crunk&B 2004 single

its not i was just using it as an example -- i dont think doing euro versions now is any diff than those songs then

or its negligibly more so -- haha arent you the one who once claimed 'oh' sounded like a pepsi commercial? (i may be misremembering)

the difference is that 6-7 years ago pop radio was following urban radio's lead, so someone like Ciara would blow up on urban stations and then a few months later cross over to top 40. now, R&B-ish stuff produced by Bruno Mars or will.i.am or Max Martin gets targeted straight for pop radio, and if someone like Usher or Rihanna is singing it then it crosses over to urban.

I do totally hate "Oh" and I did say it sounds like a Pepsi commercial but you're simplifying and conflating so many nuanced and ambiguous things into one big broad empty 'point' by even bringing that up

my main objection to your original post is that Basic Instinct would not be selling remotely like Goodies even if CD sales hadn't dropped really far between 2004 and 2011

im surprised to hear keri is selling that much at all
i was just wondering what pop R&B albums are selling -- if its just taio cruz selling lps (which im also surprised to hear) then i think there's a point to be made about downloading impacting sales for R&B artists

Taio Cruz isn't moving units in the US; he's one of the Flo Rida types i was referring to who has a multi-platinum single on an album that hasn't gone gold

keri's new song is kind of fucking stupid

also i didn't say Keri's doing huge numbers, just decent numbers (and about 3 times what Ciara's selling) xpost

i figured shed be doing those no.s with 'serious R&B' types who still buy lps & were following her career but i have no idea & dont know anyone irl who has talked about keri so

well, i know dudes who think shes hot but

do people you know irl talk about Ciara?

they know who she is

yeah i know dudes who think she's hot too but to me she just looks like she should be in a jc penney ad

that face screams modern casual wear

( i'm talking about keri here - i hope that was clear )

of course people know who Ciara is, people don't stop knowing who someone is when they become a has-been, they just stop talking about them (or only talk about how hard their record bricked)

I feel like Ciara's pop success happened out of fluke. When she first came out the crunk sound was popular sure but she easily could've been solely a successful r&b artists in the 106 & Park vein if she didn't crossover. And even then, she would've been fine and not have the pressure she had since The Evolution album.

R&B snobs bashing her irks me because the genre is going through an odd transition now with the Bruno Mars/Taio Cruz stuff. Many young r&b fans actually believe that stuff is real r&b rather than what Ciara and Keri Hilson produces. And they also believe that if it doesn't lean pop or doesn't sell million of copies then it is not worth listening despite how good it is. Another thing that bothers me is the whole question of appearance as well. The belief is if you don't have a "marketable" look then your doomed and don't even expect a strong, small r&b foundation to support you. Ciara and Keri Hilson are beautiful women with a good amount of talent, but they don't have the type of look that can appease a general pop audience. (In other words, they seem "too black" for some.) I mean that has always been a problem for black r&b singers (Florence Ballard vs. Diana Ross is the most controversial case), but I guess with the internet it has become more apparent and a little disturbing to me frankly as an African-American when other African-Americans repeat this sentiment with each other.

It use to be that you had your A list r&b stars who crossed over (ex. Janet Jackson, Boyz II Men, etc.) but the B list stars (Jagged Edge, Blackstreet, Karyn White) weren't bashed and even had a pop hit or two. But as someone said, r&b was the pop music of the 90s and early 00s and that has changed. But I feel like alot of this is about uneasy cultural identity of African-Americans in addition to the quality of music.

yeah i know dudes who think she's hot too but to me she just looks like she should be in a jc penney ad

that face screams modern casual wear

― i like lucy (surm), Monday, January 17, 2011 12:38 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

( i'm talking about keri here - i hope that was clear )

― i like lucy (surm), Monday, January 17, 2011 12:50 PM (47 minutes ago)

fuck outta here with this

yeah i look at her and i basically see this

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/rrawn/JCPenneyCrochetCardi.jpg but trendier

what does that have to do w/ how fuckable she is?

nothin. i was just talking. i love jc penney anyway.

well actually it does have something to do -- i just think she has kind of a mommish face. but what do i know i like dick. so.

lol

keri can be kind of matronly i agree

Basic Instinct's sales along with the commercial disappointment of Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel make it hard to imagine labels will keep giving Terius and Tricky such creative control over entire albums.

― Evan R, Monday, January 17, 2011 10:29 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

i made this point i think way up in this thread or maybe in the memoirs thread or fucking somewhere idk but shiplo's point about timbo rings true to me

i'm surprised you guys don't hear people irl talking about either ciara or keri.

i think keri hilson would get a lot of casual fans buying her albums who just like the songs they hear on the radio; she's not the kind of artist who requires any sort of real investment to enjoy, whereas i'd guess anyone still buying a ciara album is prettily heavily into her particular sound/personality.

when i talk to like R&B heads they know who she is but dont seem to be terribly enthusiastic about her so idk

that's kinda my point -- Keri's nobody's idea of a superstar but Ciara's only selling a fraction of what she is, and i don't think you can really say that's because Keri's image or fanbase is that much older or more traditionalist or anything. the real contrast there is Keyshia, who's selling better than both of them without barely any advance publicity because she went adult contempo with a bunch of ballads and really connected with the grown folks R&B crowd.

One of the tracks on the deluxe Keyshia album has an ill Spyro Gyra bassline.

well yeah that's what i'm saying - she's a journeywoman without a great deal of charisma but a knack for knocking out tunes that sound good on radio with reliability. and i think when the material's strong enough, her ability to sell it emotionally is underrated - she's especially strong on vaguely wistful songs that are "mature" without being overly grown or serious

xps re: keri

This leaked yesterday. Like pretty much everything Ciara's recorded in the past two years, I adore it. Looks like it was meant for "Basic Instinct."

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qO2vrayWwZk"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And I apparently cannot properly embed a video. It's here, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO2vrayWwZk

rumor has it Ciara got dropped from Jive

:( :( :(

oh shit

dnr basic instinct moved only 40 thousand copies, that's pretty dismal

She is supposedly in talks of signing to Interscope Records. Basic Instinct really should have been released during the Ride video controversy. That was the only way the album would have longevity.

i know there's something "fighting a lost cause" about all of them, and usually histrionic fans who map out exactly how they'd have planned a promo campaign piss me off, but i swear every single ciara album since her debut has been so spectacularly mismanaged. "promise" never released in the uk! why was "can't leave em alone" a single and not "bang it up" or "c.r.u.s.h."? then, not running with "high price" as the lead single from fantasy ride and sitting on it for over half a year as the entire thing leaked (and christ, the initial 3CD concept at least sounded interesting, and going by the leaks could've actually worked).

She is supposedly in talks of signing to Interscope Records. Basic Instinct really should have been released during the Ride video controversy. That was the only way the album would have longevity.

― Wanted to slap a teengaer who didn't know Are You That Somebody (lilsoulbrother), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:29 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

every rap/R&B album should be released as soon as the first single that gains seriously airplay peaks, but labels inevitably throw one or two singles out there that usually don't do as well and evaporate the project's momentum (i prefer "Gimmie Dat" and "Speechless" and wish they did better, just saying).

yeah this is why i lean towards "lost cause anyway" because i thought both "gimmie dat" and "speechless" were also really strong singles, some of the best r&b singles of last year, and that trifecta (with "ride") should have been - in terms of quality not promotion - one of the best ways to trail any album (esp with really strong videos for two of those, too). and it's like, if THOSE flopped and couldn't build momentum...i guess what ciara does well is just not for the charts in 2010/11. which we kinda knew anyway. so i pretty much applaud basic instinct for largely sticking to what she does well rather than just go the easy will.i.am/stargate/dr luke route.

unless they give "Turn It Up" a pop radio push

am i overlooking how well "turn it up" could potentially do just b/c i think it's the most unremarkable (if enjoyable) song on the album? i wanted "wants for dinner" as a single :(

when i started hearing "More" on the local top 40 station i kept thinking it was "Turn It Up" because all those generic eurohouse Usher songs blend together for me

I think "Turn It Up" is a pretty shitty single even by the standards of Usher-house; really dire and generic. Don't blame the label at all for scrapping plans to push that one.

so i pretty much applaud basic instinct for largely sticking to what she does well rather than just go the easy will.i.am/stargate/dr luke route.

Totally agree; at least she went down with some integrity.

unless they give "Turn It Up" a pop radio push

probably my fav song on the album, would be a great single

Stealing from what Lex has been saying for a long time, I think r&b heads will look back at Ciara, Cassie, Keri Hilson and think "Damn they weren't that bad after all." If TV One is still around I can see them being on an episode of Unsung.

I totally lost hope in the r&b audience knowing what a good song is.

"turn it up" isn't as bad as most say but if it's your favorite song on the album i'm not really sure why you're listening to a ciara album in the first place

you mean our favorite song isn't the same????

i take that back! what's yrs?

i think k3v meant that "turn it up" is the least ciara-like song on the album and seems to reflect her vague grab at current pop trends rather than the kind of music she gravitates towards/does best

i like that song a lot tho i think it would prob be better in the context of the album where you could look at it from the angle of "ciara trys her hand at a super trendy song style" whereas on the radio it would just be another usher eurohouse joint

it also suffers for me b/c "i'm on" off fantasy ride did the 4x4 eurohouse thing a lot better, with a lot more personality

also "when i" that never made FR - such a good song! "i see this, i see bliss, i see operation kiss / on the eiffel tower after asking me to marry ya / when i! when i! when i look in your eyes" <3

i take that back! what's yrs?

― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:47 PM (37 minutes ago)

the first two minutes of "ride" or "i run it"

OH so she apparently hasn't been dropped but wants to be? and funded the "gimmie dat" video entirely herself even as her label tried to prevent it getting played?

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/02/14/ciara-prays-for-label-to-release-her/

why can't this kind of shit happen to ke$ha instead :(

ciara lost, what a crybaby

My friend just gave me a t-shirt with a picture of Ciara from the Ride video across it, BEST PRESENT EVER.

In other news, this is pretty much it for her isn't it? Rihanna's "good luck with booking that stage" tweet really burnt me because it's just too true.

this is so easily her best album

when the beat goes crazy in 'wants for dinner' aaaaaaaaah

it's also true that rihanna doesn't wanna see ciara on or off the stage

there were about a million jokes rihanna could have made with ciara saying rihanna didn't want to see her on the stage. ciara could not have made it any easier. weak.

I hope it isn't "it" for her because honestly we need her as an alternative to Rihanna and Beyonce. Though they have more "anthemic" type songs, I feel like Ciara's Basic Instinct shows that you can still make US-based/southern specific r&b music and make it good.

southern hip hop-flavored R&B is definitely a little bit endangered in these eurohouse&B times but i don't think that sound necessarily lives or dies with Ciara's career. probably needs someone with a fresher take on it than her imo, Basic Instinct was aight but nothing on it really fucking with the hits off her first 2 albums.

True their were no stand outs but it was cohesive as an album. I think that is an achievement in itself because most music in that genre don't work as albums (in my experience).

Plus, I think with the euro house stuff being the main trend, I think it will be hard for another singer/group to take the sound since most people aren't paying attention in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qltXmTb08lY

that's nice

yeeeeeah @ this

I... don't... normally-do-this

Heavy Rotation is my jam, has been now for months. The bass roll on it makes my ears shift around uncontrollably.

man ride is like the definitive 'good not great' dream song

nah ride is 10/10

crazee

what stops you from loving it?

ludacris!

the first 2 and a half minutes are great

idk melody just doesnt hit me that hard i suppose -- surprisingly low-key for a dream melody

i've wanted to start a other artists written by the-dream POX for a while now but have resisted. this song is great but wouldnt make it

Hmm, it is a pretty low-key melody I guess, but the chorus is so anthemic! "He love the way I RIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE ITTTTT" is actually one of my favorite Dream hooks (also the "I market it so goooood, etc." pre-chorus is great ). The beat, the groove, everything about the song comes together so well. Would definitely be in my top 5 Ciara singles.

Luda's verse is fine IMO - "With a rack like that and a back like that CiCi better CC me!". Doesn't detract from the song tbh.

The beat, the groove, everything about the song comes together so well.

yeah i love the sound of it, it's feels way lower & deeper than other terius stuff i can think of.

ludacris' verse is awful. he sounds like a cartoon dog. ludacris the mvp!

didn't like the luda verse at first but it totally grew on me. i see "ride" as less defined by being a dream song as by being a ciara song, one of her many 10/10s and v much in line with her prior great material

ciara 10/10s:

goodies
oh
promise
like a boy
c.r.u.s.h.
bang it up
high price
ride
echo
wants for dinner
gimmie dat
i run it
blauw
hotline
get up
deuces (nguzunguzu remix)

When I didn't see "hotline" after "oh" I got very worried for a second.

haha that is in no particular order except which ones came to my jetlag-addled mind first

how can one rank her 16 perfect songs anyway, like choosing between your children &c &c

i would take heavy rotation over any of my sixteen children

"pick up the phone"!!

that song just kills me. the first ciara album truly redeems jazze pha's whole existence.

yeah ciara first album is v. good - "thug style" is another great one.

y'all are sleeping on "keep dancin' on me" though, I never see that song get any props but it's definitely my fave from Fantasy Ride.

I have a soft spot for "Ciara To The Stage"

"i would take heavy rotation over any of my sixteen children"

otm

i think "echo" is my favorite cici song

well, after "promise"

the "fantasy ride" demos staying as demos/bonus tracks is one of the great tragedies of pop music IMHO

i was just reading the old posts about those in the promise thread and realized i'd never heard em--which all should i track down?

i'm not the expert on these (alex in mtl, lex & others know more) but definitely

echo, click/flash, supernatural, rattla, i'm on

i think alex made a zip once actually, i may be missing some

cherry pick the best joints from the actual fantasy ride + the best stuff from the demos & you have an out and out classic

j0rdan basically named the best ones, but also check:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npPpx8EQYg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1sQPBYoXaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELO2SWKOy38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLTBoS9zzU

"echo" is tops though, should have been the first single from Fantasy Ride tbh... the fact that it's a bonus track is ridiculous. Definite top 10 ciara joint

been into 'turn it up' on this album

holy shit echo is sublime

ride is like a mirage now, it was so good

also u can get it

yeah i remember the "echo" crazy fondly

you both forgot "go girl" !!

put all this shit on a playlist tonight & "go girl", even tho i like it, really stuck out... it's just so unassuming & quiet for a lead single -- it should've been an album track but it was a bizarre choice for a lead single, even allowing for the t-pain feature

yeah "go girl" totally underwhelmed as a single and i only started to like it when i realised they were going to go stalin on it

i feel so cheated of an "echo" video/dance routine

echo ft. young jeezy = absolute classic. regular echo is pretty awesome too, though.

weird, i always thought the jeezy version was superfluous

this is the first i've even realised a jeezy version even exists

he seems entirely the wrong rapper for it, not that anyone else is really needed

ciara 10/10s:

goodies
oh
promise
like a boy
c.r.u.s.h.

incredible sequence

did we mention I'm On? Because I'm On is really awesome, also.

i got my
right hand
in position
so i can get back
wit cha

i don't need nobody else
i can do damage by myself
walk in the club everybody like
DAMN!
she can do damage by herself.

still think "Ride" is a clunky piece of shit

i love "Ride"

damn, Jacques Greene looped the opening horns for like a full minute before he dropped this last night and I went hamilton vs burr at that shit

err "this" being the duet version of "speechless"

am glad someone in the world is playing that, i thought the solo version on the lp had replaced it out of existence

MMJG. <3

Was this opening for The xx? Or somewhere else? I got tickets for the gig long before Frank Ocean announced a show the same day which promptly sold out. :(

I mean. Excited for xx and JG but Ive seen them before. So glad to hear its a good show.

the solo version doesn't exist on my version of the album

Back when he and some friends of mine had a weekly Thursday club night he once dropped that, Gimme That and Yamaha all in the same set, which also included (I think) Ryan Leslie's Addiction and closed out with Cassie's Skydiver.

the solo version doesn't exist on my version of the album

― Number None, Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:48 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

!
will dig out & play again, maybe my mistake

no i mean i replaced it

oh ha. good move.

Just dropped everything to play that song twice. The solo version is great—it feels like it could have become a standard, if the album would've had more reach—but the duet is just next level. So much more intense, and Terius gets so many great lines that were just cut from the solo take.

Man I forgot how much I love this song

Alex: he opened for the xx at a theater and then headlined a small club later in the evening, I went to the latter. He also played Kirko Bangz "What Yo Name Iz", an amazing remix of Amerie "That's What U R", a Weeknd/2 Chainz joint that I refused to dance to until I heard Tity Two Necklace, and a lot more house than I would have expected. Did not play "Another Girl".

On another note, I did manage to get my CD into his hand.

also played Evian Christ "Fuck It None Of Y'all Don't Rap", which goes v v hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBXuTkSDls

The What U R remix is his own off his white label I think, which also includes his Motivation mix.

One of his mixes is how I found out about Drank in My Cup so I'm not surprised he played Kirko.

Glad you got him your EP. <3 I think I mentioned that I sent a few of the tracks to our mutual friend/DJ Seb Diamond a couple months back (?), but I don't know if he ever passed them along.

I still haven't come up with overall feelings about that Evian Christ album but that track bangs.

I am not v impressed w/ the non-FINOYDR Evian I've heard, but that track is something else

i am finally listening to this album in full. i like it, and i like the title track.

My favorite album of hers.

Revisiting "I Run It," and it's probably my favorite slow jam of the last decade. (Well, 11 years now.)