--- NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock Albums Poll---. - Nominations end 11.59pm UK Time July 16th

Same rules as the tracks poll. An extra day for nominations just for the stragglers who leave it to the last day and wish they had another day to do the albums.

Grunge counts as Metal/heavy rock. So does Janes Addiction but Sonic Youth dont. So use some common sense.

If you're not sure, post it on the thread asking if it's ok. You know plenty will have an opinion.

I'll start things off with a few obvious albums

Alice In Chains - Dirt
Black Sabbath - Vol IV
Burzum - Filosofem
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Helmet - Meantime
Kyuss - Welcome To Sky Valley
Led Zeppelin - II
Nirvana - In Utero
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
Metallica - Ride The Lightning (ilxor and ksh, do not nominate st anger or death magnetic)
Ministry - Psalm 69
Queens Of The Stone Age - S/t

and over to you..

also --- NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock TRACKS Poll---. - Noms end 25th July

Do the Stooges count? If so, Funhouse forever.

Hawkwind - Space Ritual
King Crimson - Red
Orthrelm - OV
Meshuggah - Catch33
Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
Queen - II/Sheer Heart Attack

Death - Symbolic
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buyin?
Accept - Metal Heart
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
Motorhead - Ace of Spades
Motorhead - No Sleep 'til Hammersmith
Black Sabbath - s/t
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Killers

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Black Sabbath - Master Of Reality
Sepultura - Arise
Tool - Aenima

Do the Stooges count? If so, Funhouse forever.

I dunno if stooges/MC5 count. Normally I'd say yes no problem, but obviously with ILM some non metal fans might vote for them and not bother with actual "metal". so lets put it to everyone in here.

fwiw I say yes.

Deathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeternum
Kayo Dot - Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue
Shining - Blackjazz
Darkspace - Darkspace III
Dodheimsgard - 666 International
Kayo Dot - Choirs Of The Eye
Sunn O))) - Monoliths And Dimensions
Ocean Machine (Devin Townsend) - Biomech
Xasthur - Subliminal Genocide
The Wildhearts - Fishing For Luckies
Ulver - Bergtatt

A lot of FABULOUS suggestions on this rather incredible DiS thread (featuring ME, quite a lot): http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4260582
Neurosis - A Sun That Never Sets
Esoteric - The Maniacal Vale

looool those last two are nominations, I ended up typing in the gap where I'd deleted Orthrelm - OV from

question: do Ulver's last two albums count?

You can nominate the last 2 Ulver. Dunno if anyone will vote for them but to me its no different from a metal band making a folk album or whatever. Ulver are still a metal band making electronic stuff as far as im concerned.

lol xp

Swans - Children of God
Fushitsusha - s/t (PSF 3/4)
Blue Cheer - Vincebus Eruptum

Black Flag - My War

Metallica - Master of Puppets
Nirvana - Nevermind
Baroness - Blue Album
As I Lay Dying - Frail Words Collapse

(prepares to get clowned by metal doodz)

Ulver - Blood Inside
Ulver - Shadows Of The Sun

HAHA SHIT my copy and paste went WRONG

I missed

Neurosis - Through Silver In Blood

^^^impt album

whitey on the moon, why would metal dudes clown you? I hope we're an open minded bunch, tho I realise many wont agree new albums are all time classics yet, but i dont see why they shouldn't be nominated.

Something that will make things easier. If you nominate a band, try and get all their albums you think should be nommed altogether.
Like list all the classic sabbath albums in 1 go.
same with maiden ,metallica etc I really should have done that in my first post.

So its my fault

System of a Down - s/t
System of a Down - Toxicity

Herman, I remember a lot of "metal for indie kids" comments re: Baroness. Thought some may clown the As I Lay Dying because, come on...
http://www.100xr.com/100_XR/Artists/A/As_I_Lay_Dying/As.I.Lay.Dying-band-2004.jpg
Also, they're Christians with painfully emo lyrics. Album would prob do nothing for me if I heard it for the first time now, but it really does hold a place in my heart and I still want to hear it once in a while, and I'm generally not into metal.

Then again, a lot of metal bands look pretty ridic.

I dunno the band at all, but everyone on here likes stuff others dont so i wouldnt worry. Baroness are great, but i doubt they would make an alltime top 50. But if it makes someone el ses then who am i to argue.I prefer people voting for their genuine favourite records rather than the tactical voting of "im only going to vote for what i think will place" bullshit.

Judas Priest - British Steel
Cinderella - Night Songs
Tesla - Mechanical Resonance
Dokken - Under Lock and Key
Ratt - Out of the Cellar
Ministry - The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste
Faith No More - The Real Thing
Faith No More - Angel Dust
Faith No More - King for a Day
Van Halen - Van Halen (1978)
Van Halen - 1984
Van Halen - Fair Warning
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time

do people really prefer sammy era van halen to dave?

Aerosmith - Rocks

do people really prefer sammy era van halen to dave?

Prefer? No one that I know of. Tolerate? Lots of people.

wait, why does grunge count? That's totally going to skew the vote.

And allowing 30 something ilxors to vote for hair metal isnt?

It may have been a mistake to not give some limits or criteria. But it's your poll.

i said we could set limits and veto stuff in here, but it would be damn silly to exclude Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Melvins, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Mudhoney who appealed to the metal side of grunge. Already said at the top that sonic youth kind of stuff is a nogo.
It's still a variant heavy rock or metal. It's not ilm's alltime best extreme metal albums poll.

but if you vote warrant i might have to SB you ;)

Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Celtic Frost - Monotheist
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium

Kyuss - Blues For The Red Sun
Saint Vitus - Born Too Late

Melvins - Gluey Porch Treatments
Melvins - Ozma
Melvins - Bullhead
Melvins - Houdini

Judas Priest - Hero, Hero
Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
Melvins - Stag
Thin Lizzy - Fighting
Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
Electric Wizard - Come My Fanatics
Sleep - Dopesmoker
Venom - Black Metal
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Dimmu Borgir - Enthrone Darkness Triumphant
Carcass - Swansong
Pentagram - Day of Reckoning

that was a weird double post... i have no idea how i did that.

that was a weird double post... i have no idea how i did that.
― Viceroy of the Daleks (Viceroy)

and now its gone.

also:

Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Autopsy - Severed Survival
Autopsy - Acts of the Unspeakable
Exhumed - Gore Metal
Exhumed - Platters of Splatter
Necrophagia - Seasons of the Dead
Necrophagia - Holocausto de la Morte

colonel poo will be along with a long list of grind and crust to nominate in the morning

Tool - Undertow
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Mr. Bungle - s/t

A perfect circle - mer de noms

dan likes metal???? jj what have you done?

Dan, the more metal orientated industrial counts. so nominate FLA if you want

cuz Im nominating

The Young Gods - L'eau Rouge
The Young Gods - TV Sky
The Young Gods - Only Heaven

Front Line Assembly - Millenium
Ministry - Land Of Rape & Honey

Mastodon - Remission

Mr. Bungle - s/t

this bears repeating - My Ass Is On Fire is one of the best metal tracks ever made

Isis - Oceanic
Converge - Jane Doe

(and Stubb (A Dub) is even better although not quite so metal)

Monster Magnet - Spine Of God

Land of Rape and Honey OTM

oh and if we can go that route:

Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral

also since grunge got the nod:

Smashing Pumpkins -Gish

yup, that stuffs fine

smashing pumpkins - siamese dream

Janes Addiction - Nothings Shocking
Janes Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual

Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger

Warrior Soul - Last Decade Dead Century
Warrior Soul - Salutations From The Ghetto Nation
Meshuggah - Nothing
Trouble - Psalm 69
Trouble - Manic Frustration
Yob - Catharsis
Agalloch - Ashes Against The Grain
Weakling - Dead As Dreams

Acrimony - Tumuli Shroomaroom
Boris - Flood
Boris - Absolutego
Boris - Heavy Rocks
Burning Witch - Crippled Lucifer
Cobalt - Gin
Corrupted - Llenandose De Gusanos
Corrupted - Se Hace Por Los Suenos Asesinos
Corrupted - El Mundo Frio
Torche - Torche
Torche - Meanderthal
Earth - Earth 2
Fudge - Tunnel - Hate Songs In E-Minor
Goatsnake - Flower Of Disease
Harvey Milk - Courtesy And Good Will Toward Men
Harvey Milk - Special Wishes
Iron Monkey - Our Problem
Neurosis - Given To The Rising
Jesu - Jesu
Khanate - Khanate
Nachtmystium - Assassins: Black Meddle Part I
Negura Bunget - Om
Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend
Reverend Bizarre - II: Crush The Insects
worship - Last vinyl/cd before_doomsday

Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Mastodon - Leviathan

I know i've nominated a lot of stuff made in the last 20 years, but I'll look through my records tomorrow for older stuff and i hope lots more older stuff will get nominated. Would be a farce if the poll was all 70s then 90s/00s and the 80s being missed out.
so get nominating!

and all you death metal/black metal fans get nominating too!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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lol my noms stick out like a sore thumb.

yup, lol

pfunk is asleep at this point I'm sure, but I just wamted to make sure that Witchfinder General's album "Death Penalty" gets added.

Saxon - s/t
Angel Witch - s/t
Saxon - Wheels of Steel
Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
Gary Moore's G-Force - G-Force
Thin Lizzy - Johnny the Fox
Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
Thin Lizzy - Black Rose
Xentrix - For Whose Advantage?
Anvil - Metal on Metal

more sore thumb noms:

Aerosmith - Pump
Guns’n’Roses - Appetite For Destruction
Kix - Kix
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppein IV (Zoso)
Limp Bizkit - Chocolate Starfish And The Hot Dog Flavored Water
Metallica - Metallica (The Black Album)
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood
Pearl Jam - Vitalogy
Primus - Sailing The Seas Of Cheese
Soundgarden - Superunknown
System Of A Down - Mezmerize
Thin Lizzy - Bad Reputation

Death - Human
Death - Individual Thought Patterns
Cynic - Focus
Emperor - Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Converge - Axe To fall
Cave In - Jupiter
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Meshuggah - Chaosphere
Refused - Songs To Fan The Flames Of Discontent
Refused - The Shape Of Punk To Come
Snapcase - Progression Through Unlearning
Helmet - Betty
The Gathering - Mandylion
Fugazi - The Argument
Fugazi - Repeater
Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Watchtower - Control And Resistance
Jawbox - For Your Own Special Sweetheart

should fugazi and the likes of refused or nofx et al be allowed in this?
Or do we just make it an ILM Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock/Hardcore Albums Poll?

my internal guideline was to avoid stuff that was more punk than hard rock, and I feel like you've got a good balance here of welcoming somewhat alt/grunge mainstream stuff but not opening it to the deluge of punk. it's your poll, though.

One genre where live albums often outshine studio discs, so ...

UFO - Strangers in the Night
Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
Status Quo - Live!
Whitesnake - Live in the Heart of the City

Plus ...
AC/DC - Powerage
Rainbow - Rising
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Second Helping
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Street Survivors
Motorhead - Bomber
Motorhead- Overkill
Rush - 2112 (or do we count this as prog?)
Angel Witch - Angel Witch

Sorry: see Angel Witch is nom'd upthread.

oh yeah:

Primus - Frizzle Fry

as much as I love fugazi im not sure they belong here. Yet with Minor Threat i have less objections.
NOFX I despise more than any 90s punk band but that's not really a good enough reason to exclude them, so i'll leave it to you guys, do they belong? (please say no)
It's not really MY poll though, it's everyones poll. So you guys set the rules.

argh primus, i really dunno whether they or fishbone belong. That's borderline stuff. argh help me guys.

I think i'd allow the 90s punk stuff more in the tracks poll than the albums tbh

so everyone give your answer.
Do we allow 90s punk like nofx and refused? yes or no.

i really think Primus belongs, they were straddling the Headbanger's Ball/120 Minutes demos just like Alice In Chains

wait can I nominate Bad Brains - I Against I?

imo no to NOFX and Refused. if we allow them, we gotta allow stuff like Clash/Ramones and that will change the whole tenor of the affair.

Dan > yes, thats def more a heavy rock record.

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Yeah Al, i do agree with you.

Someone can easily do a punk poll later. But some hardcore bands had a metal edge, so i'd allow black flag's later stuff but my fave band ever Husker Du - no way.

I am totally unfamiliar with Refused so I have no idea if they or their copyists have a heavy rock/metal edge to them.

Primus dudes came from metal bands and there is some heavy bits so I guess theyre fine.

Refused and NOFX are pretty different though, unless Shape of Punk to Come is unrepresentative. I might include Refused before NOFX but I don't have a strong opinion on this.

TBH, the line does seem a bit thin if we're including "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (or, say, the Who) but not Husker Du/Dinosaur Jr/Sonic Youth. Still, you need to draw the line somewhere.

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It's not like anyone has to vote for them apart from dan :)

yay, I'm included!

entombed - left hand path
morbid angel - altars of madness
blut aus nord - memoria vetusta II: dialogue with the stars
cryptopsy - none so vile
obituary - slowly we rot
repulsion - horrified
terrorizer - world downfall
sir lord baltimore - kingdom come
immortal - pure holocaust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MkVIe9xGc

Nirvana are in. They were my gateway band and for millions of others too. Those 3 others were probably the 1st non metal bands I got into, and raw/kerrang covered them, but no, they cant get in here. As you say, we need to draw a line.

Btw Screaming Trees are in. They had the following of the rawkier end of grunge fans.

Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion
Screaming Trees - Dust

I haven't looked at the Tracks nom thread yet, because I feel like that'll be much more time consuming to think about, but I feel like we can afford to be a little more choosy with the Albums poll for bands that don't feel 100% like they belong here, and if they ultimately don't, maybe just have their heaviest song(s) represented in the Tracks poll.

I'd totally forgotten how the lines between metal/alternative/indie/punk were blurred in the 90s. That's never going to happen again is it?

xp Al OTM.

like, nobody's nominated The Who or Hendrix in this poll yet, and I don't know if there's any one album by either that I'd feel totally confident nominating here, but they both have songs that NEED to be in the Tracks poll.

Blut Aus Nord - Mort
Caina - Temporary Antennae
Katatonia - The Great Cold Distance
Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
John McLaughlin - Devotion

I think I'll still allow MC5 though. Kick Out The Jams I feel does belong.

It's not like anyone has to vote for them apart from dan :)

Dan doesn't vote in polls, so if he busts his cherry on the METAL poll the world will never be the same.

dissection - the somberlain
grotesque - in the embrace of evil
eyehategod - take as needed for pain
disembowelment - transcendence into the peripheral

Here's a few:

Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusions 1 & 2
Led Zeppelin - III
Led Zeppelin - IV
Led Zeppelin - Houses of The Holy
Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Blue Oyster Cult - Agents of Fortune
Blue Oyster Cult - Secret Treaties
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Def Leppard - Pyromania
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Dio - Holy Diver
Slayer - Rein in Blood
Slayer - South of Heaven
Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss

Well if he wants to nominate stuff he has to vote.

I can understand if you would like to leave out Fugazi and NOFX cuz they're more to the punk-side of of things, but Refused definitely had a metal edge to them, especially on Songs To Fan The Flames Of Discontent. I agree with pfunkboy:
I'd totally forgotten how the lines between metal/alternative/indie/punk were blurred in the 90s. That's never going to happen again is it?

note number 23 (just sayin'):

http://rateyourmusic.com/lists/list_view?list_id=216928&show=50&start=50

If they had a metal edge then I'm ok with it if others are.

Ioannis, I love Fugazi, but I just feel having them in a poll on ILM, where indie is king amongst rock, allowing that kind of thing could skew the poll. By non metal/hard rock dudes voting for more indie stuff.

Do the Stones count?

Do we allow 90s punk like nofx and refused? yes or no.

FUCK NO

Do the Stones count?

FUCK NO

Will close nominations next friday. Can Dan or JJ please change thread title to 16th July?

bah! no "Sympathy for the Devil" --> no \m/metal\m/!!!!!!

I nominate every album ever made, without exception. if it was recorded and released, I nominate it for inclusion in the poll.

LOCK THREAD

Stones should be in tracks but not albums like Who/Hendrix/etc. imo

pfunkboy this is payback for your 199-album ballot - suck it down imo

just like "Helter Skelter" but no Beatles albums obv

lj i'll just ban you from the thread

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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or the mod who is co-running and tabulating the poll will.

Spektr - Near Death Experience
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
John Zorn - Asmodeus
Angel Hair - Pregnant With the Senior Class

how will you live down the shame lj

Herm, you love polls, huh?

it's cool, even if I had more albums to submit here, aerosmith has kindly done my work

smithy is a known poll hater, he dislikes me, but is engaging in internet point scoring that is beneath him, much like he pointed out to ksh on the wavves thread.

I tried to resist herman but this poll was just so ridiculous I couldn't help myself, I'm not made of stone y'know

(also plz grow out of thinking I or anybody here who doesn't know you "dislikes" you, I think these polls are completely dumb & disagree with you about pretty much everything but I'm sure yr a good dude)

I mean really if anything I should be getting a commendation for resisting the urge to start a NOMINATIONS HERE: BEST ESSENT OUT OF ALL THE ESSENTS POLL thread

So who's going to nominate the Zombi record this time? I need some other non-metal to go on my ballot to really piss the metallers off. (Also, it is awesome.)

i'm with aerosmith. mostly. i think yer a cool dude, herm, and all that but man its just too much. if you told me five years ago or whenever that i would actually be sick of seeing new metal threads pop up on ilm i wouldn't have believed it. its overload. for me, personally. obviously. i've gotten good at just ignoring though.

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Sunn O))) - Black One
Sunn O))) - Flight of the Behemoth
Boris - Pink
Boredoms - Super Ae
Nirvana - Bleach
Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
Pissed Jeans - King of Jeans
Tool - Lateralus
Mount Eerie - Wind's Poem
Oneida - Rated O
Oneida - Preteen Weaponry
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Hole
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Nail

whoops, forgot to nominate Hole!

nice try emil.y, I love zombi

Haha, I didn't mean you personally, just thinking about it due to the nomination of some completely-not-metal stuff and their inclusion in the year end poll.

Misfits - Legacy of Brutality
Napalm Death - Scum
High on Fire- Blessed Black Wings
Ufomammut - Snailking

I think having Zombi in an end of year poll is fine (surprised so many voted for it) , but I don't think it would be right to include them in an alltime poll.
I'm sure everyone will have no problem coming up with a list between 10-50 albums for an alltime list (note you dont need to choose 50, its upto 50 with a minimum of 10 or 15, which is yet to be decided)
xp

Is danzig on that misfits album? if so then I guess it could be allowed unless others object.

High On Fire - The Art Of Self Defense
High On Fire - Surrounded By Thieves

Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity
Monster Magnet - Spine Of God (i think i forgot to add this to the spreadsheet despite nominating it earlier)
Entombed - Wolverine Blues

Two I forgot:

Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream

Voivod - Nothingface
Gorguts - Obscura

Does this count?:
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde

This should, in any case:
Alcest - Le Secret

Scale the Summit - Carving Desert Canyons

Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming
The Cult - Electric
Deep Purple - Made in Japan
Gillan - Glory Road
Girlschool - Demolition
ZZ Top - Eliminator
ZZ Top - Afterburner
Various - The Neat Singles Collection Vol. 1

I dont think comps or greatest hits will be allowed, sorry. (live albums are fine if chuck you really feel the need to get around no comps)

guys i love foetus as much as anybody but i kinda object to him on a metal poll

veto if you like but those two albums are pretty heavy. as heavy as some of the Young Gods stuff on there

can I nominate Lard - Power of Lard, or does that not count

god I havent heard the lard album in like 15 years, i cant even remember what it sounds like now but i did love it back then.

Dan> are you going to vote? if not, is there much point?

look, I always intend to vote

I just like including things, okay? leave me alone

Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
Anthrax - Among the Living
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
Scorpions - Lovedrive
Boredoms - Soul Discharge

I dont think comps or greatest hits will be allowed, sorry.

Your call, but as far as I can see it's the only one nommed, and I can't imagine it will pick up many votes.

oooh Anthrax

AMONG THE LIVING, VOTE FOR IT OR DIE

i know you want these in larger chunks prob but thx to recent hard drive crash and doing this mostly at work im just going to have to throw in stuff when i think of it

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History
Peste Noire - Ballade cuntre lo Anemi Francor
The Misfits - Static Age
Necronomitron - Necronomitron
Slough Feg - Ape Uprising!
Racebannon - Satan's Kickin' Yr Dick In
Danzig - Danzig II (Lucifuge)
Alice Cooper - Welcome to my Nightmare
Ulver - The Madrigal of Night
Coroner - Punishment for Decadence
Today is the Day - Temple of the Morning Star

you said ulver

i think dan has taken mercy upon me. which means there are just different surprises lying in wait prob

lololol

darkthrone - under a funeral moon
darkthrone - panzerfaust
forgotten woods - as the wolves gather
forgotten woods - the curse of mankind
beherit - drawing down the moon
drudkh - autumn aurora
drudkh - blood in our wells
graveland - carpathian wolves
graveland - thousand swords
manes - under en blodraud maane

ok, which one of you guys decided to nominate by email?

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daerest false metal motherfuckers from the most untrooest webshites on the motherfucking web. Here are some real nominations to wash away the semen stains
of faggy indie rock from the bowels of Beelzebub's left bollock.

Hope you enjoy heaven you poseur mongs.

Hail Satan.

Ancient Sign Glorify - Hail Satan
Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia
As Vampiric Shades and Belial Winds - Faustian Sons of Hate
Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon
Beyond the Cursed Eclipse - Vesperian SorrowBeyond the Cursed Eclipse
Blut Aus Nord - Memoria Vetusta I: Fathers of the Icy Age
Blut aus Nord - Ultima Thulée
Borknagar - The Olden Domain
Cygnet of Darkness - Endkrieg
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust
Darkthrone - Under A Funeral Moon
Deinonychus - The Silence of December
Deströyer 666 - Unchain The Wolves
Dissection - Storm Of The Light's Bane
Enslaved - Eld
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Gorgoroth - Antichrist
Gorgoroth - Pentagram
Graveland - Thousand Swords
Helheim - Jormundgand
Immortal - At The Heart Of Winter
Impaled Nazarene - Suomi Finland perkele
In The Woods - Heart Of Ages
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Moonsorrow - Tämä ikuinen talvi
Necromass - Mysteria Mystica Zofirirana
Nokturnal Mortum - Goat Horns
Ophthalamia - A Long Journey
Primordial - A Journey's End
Rotting Christ - Non Serviam
Rotting Christ - Triarchy of the Lost Lovers
Samael - Ceremony of Opposites
Satyricon - Nemesis Divina
Satyricon - The Shadowthrone
Solefald - Linear Scaffold
Sorcier des Glaces - Snowland
Taake - Nattestid ser porten vid...
Throne of Ahaz - On Twilight Enthroned
Troll - Drep De Kristne
Ulver - Nattens madrigal - Aatte hymne til ulven i manden
Vargavinter - Frostfödd
Winter Night Overture - Weapon against the God

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME

moley's been busy then :D

moley couldnt have my email. Im thinking roxy maybe?

hahaha that was my first thought too

actually i did post my email on the metal club thread for siegbran to email me for spotify links, so anyone could have gotten it.
Cheers for the laugh whoever it was.

onley one choice

byzantum - beneath the haunted moon

all others, must die

until Pal Utlendi weighs in all of this is meaningless imo

i still suspect pal utlendi may be Oreamnos Americanus

Oreamnos Americanus
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Herman, this is an attempt to make you think it's me emailing you ("Oreamnos Americanus" is the scientific name for mountain goat). However, it's not. Cheers to whatever sad asshole thinks it's awesome to impersonate me badly.

what a parus major

(That said, that's a decent list, as far as black metal goes; by my count it even has two albums that might belong on a "best heavy metal album of all time" list)

the first mistake a young comedian makes is often assuming that his audience has extensive knowledge of zoological nomenclature. once you get past that its all perfecting your timing and following the dick joke pathway to success.

just google it you flaming eolophus roseicapilla

well the name went over my head so I would never have thought it was you smithy (unless there was an ace of base black metal covers album nominated), so no worries.

I'll count the noms then since a) you think it's actually a good one and b)i already entered it and alphabetised it and cant be arsed going through it all to delete individually.

i am old enough that i have earned the right to refuse to learn anything ever xpost

i thought he/she/it(?) did a pretty dead-on imitation myself. (i did wonder about all the BM noms tho)

not to point out the obvious too much but what this means is that some regular reader of our metal threads is a v. weird creepy stalker-type sending emails to people in the hopes that they'll seem like me

tip you sad creepy types (and I guess to Ioannis): I hate on poseurs a lot, but I'm also pretty PC, and wouldn't call anybody "faggy" - I also prefer death metal to black metal, and I wouldn't nominate anything for an "alltime best metal/heavy rock albums poll, much less a copied and pasted list of conservatively-chosen standard-bearers. it's sad to me that you think a person using a term like "faggy" is doing an even half-passable imitation of me. a person who wants to do a good impression of me must jump off of a really tall building, which is something I do each morning, because I am hardcore.

well i guess that settles it then.

lol i thought it said foggy and i couldnt understand what that meant but figured it was a black metal joke thing

hahaha, i need to read things properly in future
smithy I don't think Ioannis meant to insult you with what he said.

who, me? i live but to insult.

aero, if it helps

a) i for one really am kinda stupid and thus did not get the MG reference so i never woulda thought it was you
b) thinking whoever did that wasnt actually trying to pull off an identity grab because the rest of it (outside of zoological trivia) doesnt really sound like you at all, so it was maybe meant as a little inside joke to us all? not trying to tell you what to think but im thinking it wasnt meant in quite that mean-spirited a way.

"That said, that's a decent list"

best list yet!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

b) thinking whoever did that wasnt actually trying to pull off an identity grab because the rest of it (outside of zoological trivia) doesnt really sound like you at all, so it was maybe meant as a little inside joke to us all? not trying to tell you what to think but im thinking it wasnt meant in quite that mean-spirited a way.

yeah yr probably right, trust me I have creep-you-out stories by the dozen so I'm a little oversensitive to this kinda shit

you don't even wanna know

how many times do I have to apologize

I even returned the diaper, sheesh

bloody hell I just noticed status quo in that list. Who sneaked that one in?

Lucky dan posted that first or i would have thought he was a closet Quo fan.

Gott Punch somehow banned himself, and is trying to get a new email, so maybe it is he:

got an e-mail from an ilxor

If so, it's legit and you pups should chill.

webmail never works now so im not surprised people cant get their pw's or new accounts

goddamn the mods on this site are lazy

too busy wearing celebrity "diapers"

If Alice Cooper is in then

Alice Cooper - Love it to Death

...should be in there too, so I can vote for it. This is a wicked list! Swans, Foetus and Young Gods don't feel right to me, as much as I appreciate them. Same with Killing Joke and Chrome, as yet un-nominated but heavier than quite a few here. Something about the self-consciousness makes them fall under the "not Sonic Youth" clause.

Like i said if enough people say no to bands they can veto them. This is the time to do it. but the young gods did have a metal crowd from l'eau rouge onwards, so they do belong.
I saw them in 1995 with Laika opening and noone was interested in them bar 2 students down the front as they just wanted heavy stuff (Laika did play 1 track with really heavy guitars sampled which did get the crowd headbanging)

Buncha stuff:

AC/DC - High Voltage
Accept - Restless and Wild
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Cathedral - The Ethereal Mirror
Cinderella - Long Cold Winter
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Alice Cooper - Killer
Deep Purple - Fireball
Def Leppard - High 'N' Dry
Judas Priest - Sin After Sin
Nazareth - Loud 'N' Proud
The Obsessed - Lunar Womb
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Ratt - Ratt EP
Scorpions - Fly To the Rainbow
Scorpions - In Trance
Slade - Slayed?
Slade - Slade Alive!
Van Halen - Women and Children First

Saw these two on the list - both are compilations:

Judas Priest - Hero, Hero
Misfits - Legacy of Brutality

ok cheers EZ. will delete those.
you nominated an ep. How many tracks on it? if its 4 or less put it in the singles noms i think.

The Ratt EP is six-tracks, two of which were recut for Out of the Cellar.

im tempted just to close nominations tomorrow tbh as we have so many.

I guess it counts as a mini album then.

What do your grocery lists look like?

372 albums nominated. J3ff T will be doing his nut. He hates having to scroll through the nominations.

Was Oneida vetoed? their most recent stuff is bordering on heavy rock/metal territory but I can see the argument.

I'd say the earlier stuff was more "stoner rock" so legible but dunno bout recent stuff. I seem to remember many complaints when they made it into the 2009 Metal poll.

sepultura-chaos a.d
sepultura-roots
pantera-vulgar display of power
rush-moving pictures
The jesus lizard-goat

where is a passing spacecadet with her early 90s nominations of her youth?

"That said, that's a decent list"

best list yet!

― scott seward,

Who would be interested in looking at a Scott Seward Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock Album nomination list?

pfunk is asleep at this point I'm sure, but I just wamted to make sure that Witchfinder General's album "Death Penalty" gets added.

― Green Manalishi (Viceroy), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

just reposting this because it hasn't gotten added I don't think.

I think Oneida is acceptable -- they are pretty heavy in general; especially live. I don't know if performance style figures into things, however...

Mordy asked me to add
Amaseffer - Slaves for Life
Distorted - Voices from Within
Eluveitie - Evocation I
Ensiferum - S|T,
Melechesh - Djinn,
Moonsorrow - Verisakeet,
Orphaned Land - Mabool,
Primordial - The Gathering Wilderness,
Skyclad - A Burnt Offering for the Bone Idol,
Subway to Sally - Bannkreis,
Waylander - Reawakening Pride Once Lost,
Life of Agony - River Runs Red,
Paradise Lost - Gothic,
Absurd - Asgardsrei,
Nokturnal Mortum - Lunar Poetry,
Dark Tranquility - The Gallery

If i have left anything else out please mention it. It's probably just been a mistake if I haven't said on thread if it doesn't qualify.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Anyone want to nominate more 80s stuff that isn't hair metal?
Needs more thrash,death,nwobhm,doom.

Part Chimp - I Am Come

More noms in the form of epically classic traditional doom albums (almost all from the 80s):

Cirith Ungal - King of the Dead
Dream Death - Journey Into Mystery
Hellhammer - Triumph of Death
Mercy - Mercy
Mercy - King Doom
Mercy - Witchburner
Sacrilege - Turn Back Trilobite
Saint Vitus - Hallow's Victim
Sorcery - Sinister Soldiers
Sorcery - Till Death Do We Part
Trouble - The Skull

Also that Trouble album that has already been nommed is titled "Psalm 9"... "Psalm 69" is a Ministry album, as I'm sure most on this thread know.

Carcass - Heartwork

gottit john
xp

I was adding some doom to the list and spotted it already

Ok added some more doom.

Please people with more knowledge post the thrash/death metal/black metal/power metal/trad metal essentials.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Yob - Elaborations of Carbon
Agalloch - Pale Folklore
Agalloch - From Which of This Oak
Borknagar - Origin

wait, is Pink Floyd off limits?

I say yes.

Though someone should nominate "The Nile Song" and "One Of These Days" in the tracks poll.

Ok got more noms via aim & msn (lazy bastards)

so I've added them

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

wait, is Pink Floyd off limits?
― Green Manalishi (Viceroy), Thursday, July 8, 2010 7:13 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I say yes.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, July 8, 2010 7:17 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

fair enough.

Apparently I forgot to add Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part II

but It's now on the spreadsheet.

oh and about 20 other albums. All on spreadsheet, no need to post another updated list yet. Will do so tomorrow

Did you veto my Mahavishnu Orchestra/John McLaughlin noms? I don't think they're less appropriate than Rush or King Crimson but I can still understand.

xposts OK

I didn't see them actually but I'm not sure they would qualify (and i love love love mahavishnu orchestra

Actually I better post the updated one incase people nominate duplicates overnight.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Remember to post if you think something should be vetoed or if there's double or anything.
And nominate anything missing that should be!

damn spotted a double of a burzum

I'm not very metal. 3/4 of these nominations ive never heard OF nevermind heard.
smithy/skot , are you guys familiar with most of it?

Eyehategod - Dopesick

ok removed all doubles I think.

Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
Queens of the Stone Age - Rated R
Cathedral - The Carnival Bizarre
Opeth - Blackwater Park

Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast - is this in the tracks list? If not, I'd better nominate it. The scream Bruce does as the song really begins is ALL TIME CLASSIC.

here ya go, you lameoids:

Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath - Sabotage
Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
Black Sabbath - Born Again
Deep Purple - In Rock
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Queen - News of the World
Judas Priest - Stained Class
Judas Priest - Killing Machine
Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
AC/DC - For Those About to Rock
Motörhead - Iron Fist
Motörhead - Another Perfect Day
Motörhead - Orgasmatron
Van Halen - Van Halen II
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Voivod - Killing Technology
Voivod - Dimension Hatröss

oops, the Voivod's had already been nomed. oh well.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Are we still missing any important albums that anyone who hasn't been following this thread but will want to vote for?

noone nominating any king diamond or mercyful fate?

Crack the Skye?
xpost

Blood Mountain, which I might have actually liked better! I'll nominate that one.

Moby - Animal Rights

(KIDDING)

I'm going to have to closely study the nominations list at the end very closely incase you use your despicable mod powers to sneak in something well dodgy!

Paradise Lost - Shades of God

lol @ animal rights

*checks for ICP*

Fear Factory - Demanufacture

I've added
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Mercyful Fate - Dont Break The Oath
King Diamond - Abigail
King Diamond - Fatal Portrait
King Diamond - The Eye

to the noms list, I hope they're the right choices.

Death Angel - Frolic through the Park
Anthrax - Spreading the Disease
Melvins - (A) Senile Animal
Infernal Majesty - None Shall Defy
Cathedral - The Guessing Game
35007 - 35007

Is that the first 2010 album nominated?

btw everyone, please don't post band acronyms as I'm copy & pasting all this and it will make it far easier if you use full band names and albums.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Crazy missing ZZ Top noms ...

ZZ Top - Tres Hombres
ZZ Top - Fandango!

anyone who votes Psalm 69 is getting a smack, btw

but it's great!

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/03/SMACK.jpg

I can see why you don't like it because you were intro the albums before, and you are not a metal guy, but this was the last great Ministry album. What a run it was too.

Actually Land of Rape and Honey is the last great Ministry album. A Mind... has some good songs on it mixed in with some godawful shit and some good ideas that go on for too long and Psalm 69 is just a flat-out dick.

but yeah, I'm not a metal guy

and jj is

it's something I've forgiven him for, over time

you still like some metal though. You cant hang around with jj for over 20 years without liking some.

oh well duh, he introduced me to Anthrax

Andrew WK - I Get Wet
Rammstein - Mutter
Screaming Trees - Dust

I already nominated the screaming trees album

Dan what is your fave Anthrax album?

Among the Living no doubt

Only 2 Anthrax albums nominated so far.

I may as well nominate
Anthrax - sound Of White Noise

Anthrax - Persistence of Time

britpop/metal crossover in rough order of rockingness:

Manic Street Preachers - Gold Against The Soul
Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
The Stone Roses - Second Coming

missing (i think?):

Metallica - ...And Justice for All
Megadeth - So Far, So Good ... So What!
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Tiamat - Wildhoney
Bathory - Bathory
Bathory - The Return of Darkness and Evil
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Bathory - Blood Fire Death
Bathory - Hammerheart
Bathory - Twilight of the Gods

stone roses NO (and i love that album)

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Oh snap! Popdose beat us to the punch: http://popdose.com/false-metal-dead-300-headbangers-part-1/

Jesus Christ, it took me an hour just to skin through this thread.

Anyway, here's a few for the list:

Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos (can't believe this wasn't nominated already)
Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops
Soundgarden - Ultramega OK
Soundgarden - Louder Than Love
Nasum - Inhale/Exhale
Nasum - Human 2.0

Also, I want to nominate the Screaming Trees' Even If and Especially When, but it isn't even heavy rock, really, let alone metal.

I think the 2 trees albums we have are enough. no point in vote splitting

looooooooool Stone Roses! That opens a whole new avenue of nominations:

The Charlatans - Some Friendly
Oasis - Be Here Now
The Farm - The Farm
Happy Mondays - Thrills and Pills and Bellyaches
Blur - Leisure
Candy Flip - Madstock . . . The Continuing Adventures of Bubble Car Fish
Soho - Goddess

xpost

Fair enough.

xp Some of my favorite heavy rock evar! ^

Oh snap! Popdose beat us to the punch: http://popdose.com/false-metal-dead-300-headbangers-part-1/

― Johnny Fever, Friday, July 9, 2010 2:09 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If Vol. 4 is your 300th best metal album, then you are disqualified from ever judging anything again.

Especially since he has Ozzy's new one at 293. Get the fuck out of town.

if the new ozzy is in the top 300 then its a void poll too

ILM we can do better

lol xpost to bill

Just for that I need to repost the updated list quickly so smithy wont have a coronary by reading that nominations list by dan

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

why in the world is Pearl Jam on that list

plz plz plz plz put the Candy Flip album on there

I'd like to nominate Wilco's "Heavy Metal Drummer" for the tracks thread

there's a scream on Wilco's "I'm A Wheel," so I nominate a ghost is born, too

why in the world is Metallica after Master Of Puppets on that list?
Only Cliff era is real!!!

― ksh, Friday, 9 July 2010 19:20

ksh otm for once?

loooooooooool

led zep iv is on the list twice

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

missing in action:

Cathedral - Forest of Equilibrium
Enslaved - Below the Lights

Only missing 2 albums? that's not bad going.

I'm just waiting on someone making a big list with really obvious stuff that has been missed out. It always happens.

Harvey Milk - Life... The Best Game in Town

i see a harvey milk vote split

Sure, you can discard my nomination then. Since Life is the only album of theirs I have, and since I think it's great, I thought I'd nominate it. But maybe I'm better off just listening to those other two.

Oh i didnt mean to be snarky

Sorry If you thought I was

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

Here are some albums which will probably receive no votes but why not:

Amebix - Arise!
Doom - War Crimes (Inhuman Beings)
Disrupt - Unrest
Extreme Noise Terror - A Holocaust In Your Head
Bolt Thrower - In Battle There Is No Law
Anaal Nathrakh - The Codex Necro
Attitude Adjustment - American Paranoia
Beherit - The Oath Of Black Blood

Phobia - Means of Existence
Phobia - Serenity Through Pain

Napalm Death - From Enslavement To Obliteration
Napalm Death - Smear Campaign
Rose Tattoo - Rock'n'Roll Outlaws

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

[mod edit]

We missing anything important?

Blue Oyster Cult - Tyranny And Mutation
Blue Oyster Cult - Blue Oyster Cult
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Black Sabbath - Never Say Die
Rush - A Farewell To Kings
Rush - Hemispheres
Rush - Permanent Waves
Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time
Armageddon - Armageddon
High Tide - High Tide
High Tide - Sea Shanties
T2 - It'll All Work Out In Boomland

would all probably get my vote

A few more:

Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Kiss - Destroyer
Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar
Scorpions - Face the Heat
Velvet Revolver - Contraband
Epica - The Divine Conspiracy
Manowar - Fighting the World
Manowar - Sign of the Hammer
Motley Crue - Shout at the Devil
Disturbed - The Sickness
Evanescence - Fallen
Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious
Orphaned Land - The Calm Before the Flood
Primordial - To the Nameless Dead
Subway to Sally - Herzblut
Ulver - Bergtatt - Et Eeventyr I 5 Capitler

Also, what the hell:

Orphaned Land - Sahara
Orphaned Land - El Norra Alila
Orphaned Land - The Never Ending Way of ORWarriOR

Skid Row - Slave To The Ground

Pretty sure that should be "Grind," unless there's some weirdo bootleg out there with that name.

got it

Evanescence - Fallen really?

Voivod - Angel Rat
Uriah Heep - Salisbury

kerr, people in girly metal houses shouldn't throw stones

So why have you just thrown a boulder then?

wot! no Kiss? this will not stand, sir!

Kiss - Kiss
Kiss - Hotter Than Hell
Kiss - Dressed to Kill
Kiss - Alive!
Kiss - Rock and Roll Over
Kiss - Love Gun

also:

Boston - Don't Look Back
Ted Nugent - Double Live Gonzo!
Alice Cooper - Love It to Death

I'm adding Siegbran's old list from the Why is The Genre Of 'Metal' so maligned? thread

A few months ago, a discussion with a couple of friends resulted in the following list:

3rd & The Mortal - Tears Laid In Earth
Accept - Restless And Wild
Amorphis - Tales From The 1000 Lakes
Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus
Anathema - Serenades
Anathema - The Silent Enigma
Anthrax - Spreading The Disease
Arckanum - Kostogher
Asphyx - The Rack
At The Gates - With Fear I Kiss The Burning Darkness
Bathory - The Return
Bathory - Blood Fire Death
Beherit - Drawing Down The Moon
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath - Master Of Reality
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel Of Doom
Bolt Thrower - For Victory
Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Carcass - Necrotism (Descanting The Insalubrious)
Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales/Emperor's Return
Cryptopsy - None So Vile
Cynic - Focus
Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Death - Human
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Destruction - Infernal Overkill
Disembowelment - Transcendence Into The Peripheral
Dismember - Like An Ever Flowing Stream
Dissection - The Somberlain
Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Esoteric - The Pernicious Enigma
Exciter - Violence & Force
Exodus - Bonded By Blood
Gorguts - Obscura
Graveland - 1000 Swords
Graveland - The Celtic Winter
Grim Reaper - See You In Hell
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys I
Immortal - Pure Holocaust
Impaled Nazarene - Ugra-Karma
Incantation - Onward To Golgotha
Iron Maiden - Killers
Iron Maiden - Piece Of Mind
Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction
Judas Priest - Sin After Sin
Judas Priest - Stained Class
Katatonia - Dance Of December Souls
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Master's Hammer - Ritual
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Merciful Fate - Don't Break The Oath
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Morbid Angel - Blessed Are The Sick
Motorhead - No Sleep 'Till Hammersmith
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans
Napalm Death - Scum
Nocturnus - The Key
Paradise Lost - Gothic
Paradise Lost - Lost Paradise
Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
Possessed - Seven Churches
Raven - All For One
Sacrifice - Torment In Fire
Samael - Ceremony Of Opposites
Samael - Worship Him
Sarcofago - INRI
Sepultura - Beneath The Remains
Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Slayer - Show No Mercy
Sodom - Obsessed By Cruelty
Sort Vokter - Folkloric Necro Metal
Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten
Summoning - Minas Morgul
Terrorizer - World Downfall
Testament - The Legacy
Thergothon - Stream From The Heavens
Unholy - From The Shadows
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells
Vader - The Ultimate Incantation
Venom - Black Metal
Venom - Welcome To Hell
Voivod - Rrroooaaarrr
Winter - Into Darkness

it's a bit of a "die-hard metalhead" list though, some of these albums are completely unlistenable for the casual listener (the Beherit album for example is only interesting for complete masochists). And it has no recent releases...

― Siegbran (eofor),

Heh, how many albums are we going to be able to vote for?

Will probably set a minimum of 10 or 15 so to try counter the will vote for the 5 indie crossover albums in the list thing.

I'm thinking 50 as a maximum. As it's an alltime poll, I think plenty wont have a problem making a list of 50. But those who don't want to can do anywhere inbetween.

If anyone has any thoughts on this they better voice them now as it will be too late once voting opens.

lol indie crossover albums

"i've got an idea! let's sellout by trying to appeal to two niche music genre fan groups!"

Shoulda let The Second Coming in

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Can people please go through the list and select albums that they feel DOES NOT fit the criteria of the poll, so that we can discuss and veto anything that is felt should not be in the list.

This is the time to say so as it will be far too late to change once voting is opened, and if any of it appears in the poll results, it will be because the complainants did not say anything when nominations were discussed!

Also Pungent Stench - Been Caught Buttering never fails to make me lol. Has anyone actually heard this album?

I forgot to nom this great record:

Riot - Fire Down Under

Noone has nominated Krokus :)

I assume everyone is OK with early manic street preachers being on the list? (one of my fave bands at one time so I'm fine with it, indie kids used to dismiss them as a heavy rock band anyway)

Boredoms - Super Ae
Fushitsusha - s/t (PSF 3/4)
King Crimson - Red
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Hole
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Nail
The jesus lizard - goat

Much as I love all these records I'm not sure any of them belong in this poll, others may disagree.

Keep Crimson in, I say.

I'm about to nominate an album I haven't even finished my first listen to

namely The Wildhearts - Endless, Nameless

i think the foetus albums are the most controversial along with boredoms.
Even my co-helper who loves foetus thinks they should not be in it.
The manics one is tricky cuz they are actually popular enough to get in the poll, but the early manics was hard rock. I would not allow post richey stuff in. But if enough people want to veto a band (and more people dont say keep them in) then they will get vetoed.

LJ that album is pish

Aw, I possibly would have voted for Fushitsusha. Would need to listen again. And actually, I'll probably just stick to the tracks poll as I know more individual RAWK songs than I do albums.

you're wrong, neuname

I think fushitsusha will stay. So you can still vote for it

Plus i cannot wait to see emil.y's alltime metal/heavy rock albums list!

Hm, I'm really not sure if I'll do albums. I'm pretty set on doing the tracks, though. The annoying thing is that if you keep Boredoms it'd give me something else to vote for, but I'm not convinced that it belongs here either.

There's plenty you will want to vote for (and you can still nominate) so you're voting!
But i think boredoms get the boot.

we are at 811 albums nominated.

812. Black Widow - Sacrifice

I really wish I could find the readers poll from Kerrang! issue 4(?) of the top 100 albums of all time, I think Rainbow Rising won it maybe. It must be online somewhere!

they used to have all kerrang best ever lists over at http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/kerrang.html

Ah thanks, they've only got this one from 1989 :

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/kerrang_p2.htm

Vinnie Vincent Invasion at #100!

haha bryan adams at 49!

omfg at #78 !!!

Yeah there was a big Kerrang crossover to that AOR / Journey / Toto kind of thing through the 80s (largely due to assistant editor Derek Oliver), and Bryan Adams & Michael Bolton were associated more with that genre before they became family faves.

OK, my last nomination : Venom - Welcome To Hell

Added (i thought it was in there but wasn't)

So who has objections to nominations and believe something to be non metal/heavy rock and should be vetoed from the list? This thread is the only time to do it. Once nominations are over on friday that is it.
No point on telling me on AIM in Chatz that stuff isn't suitable. Do it here!

It's odd to see punk like Misfits, Black Flag and Bad Brains qualify as heavy rock, but not Hüsker Dü and Dinosaur Jr. Hrm. And if Jesus Lizard qualifieds, why not Scratch Acid, Birthday Party, and indeed, Killing Joke.

The Birthday Party - Prayers On Fire (4AD) 81
Pink Fairies - Kings Of Oblivion (Polydor) 73
Sweet - Sweet Fanny Adams (RCA) 74
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You (Elektra) 70
Hawkwind - Hall Of the Mountain Grill (UA/One Way) 74
Sweet - Desolation Boulevard (RCA) 74
The Birthday Party - Junkyard (Virgin) 82
Killing Joke - Killing Joke (EG) 80
Motörhead - Ace Of Spades (Roadracer) 80
Heavy Metal Kids (Atlantic/Lemon) 74
Mastodon – Crack The Skye (Reprise/WEA) 09
The Mars Volta - De-Loused In The Comatorium (GSL/Universal) 03
Hawkwind - In Search Of Space (UA/One Way) 71
Graveyard (Tee Pee) 08
Blind Guardian - Nightfall In Middle-Earth (Import) 98
Dead Man - Euphoria (Crusher) 08
Scratch Acid - Just Keep Eating (Rabid Cat) 86
Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido (UA/One Way) 72

Black Flag are in as it was a sludgy metal album of the late period. Im guessing misfits got in because of Danzig? However It can be vetoed. Do you want to veto it?
Bad Brains got that 1 album in as it was basically a heavy rock record. I think jesus lizard was vetoed but I just havent posted the updated list yet.

hmm im sure killing joke and pandemonium were nominated, so i dunno what happened to them

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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scratch acid,birthday party are not metal or heavy rock. I love the pink fairies but im not sure, plus i cant see ppl voting for them.

we have 818 nominations. I think essentials that are missing should be the main concern.

I'll add Pink Fairies - Kings Of Oblivion

Rage Against the Machine - Evil Empire
Nine Inch Nails - Broken*
Nadja - The Bungled & the Botched
A Black Rose Burial - An Awakening of Revanents
Gorgoroth - Destroyer (or About How to Philosophize with the Hammer)
Boris - Vein (hardcore version)
Ramesses - Misanthropic Alchemy
Swans - Filth
Swans - Cop

*okay i don't know if this counts because it's pretty industrial. can we say industrial music? if so i can think of some skinny puppy and that coil album i listened to was pretty badass. actually, i think skinny puppy and coil are not appropriate for this poll; it's just really angry and evil sounding, not specifically rocking. i'm still saying broken, though.

for jd:

Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
Aerosmith - Draw the Line

just because:

Rainbow - Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
Rainbow - Long Live Rock 'n' Roll
Deep Purple - Who Do We Think We Are
Monster Magnet - Powertrip
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Kid Rock - Devil Without a Cause
Queen - A Night at the Opera
Queen - A Day at the Races

oh, and not to forget:

Led Zeppelin - Presence
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy

At The Drive-In - Relationship Of Command

and

Led Zeppelin - In Through The Out Door

because I'm not having it as the only one not to get nominated, vote-splitting be damned

also

Pearl Jam - Ten

just because it seems odd not to mention it

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Those particular two Sweet albums and Heavy Metal Kids are harder rockin than, say Queen, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, Pearl Jam and a good number other albums on the list. Anyone who hasn't yet heard Sweet Fanny Adams in particular, I recommend it. Previous polls this is our chance to advocate for some of the underrated albums. I also wrote a little on Heavy Metal Kids and Desolation Boulevard.

I only listed what I'd vote for, provided ballots allow for 20 or 30 entries. Smaller ballots = most predictable classics.

Love the Misfits - Static Age album, but it's pure punk. So veto. On the fence about Fishbone, as they do have some metal guitars on a couple songs.

Repeated, wrongly titled: Night Fall On Middle-Earth
Correction: Baroness - Blue Record

I'm not sure about the mars volta nomination.

can someone with knowledge check the 70s nominations and confirm that they are all genuine heavy rock albums? Curtis seems to think Lynyrd Skynyrd should not be in the poll, someone else said Captain Beyond shouldn't be.

Also any of the more alternative stuff, should they be vetoed? (nirvana/pearl jam/soundgarden/Helmet/janes addiction stay in, but should fishbone,manics,lightning bolt ,refused , swans, the god machine (who i love but...) the mars volta, )

oh and does a perfect circle belong?

I think all those bands belong, myself. How are the Mars Volta not progressive hard rock?

I'm only asking, i know others will say they all don't belong. But im giving the chance for others to veto stuff now as it will be too late to veto when noms go up, and if anyone complains in the results thread I can just remind them that they had the chance to veto.

I nominated At The Drive-In on basis that it qualifies if Mars Volta are in. I'd say it's pretty clear heavy rock. Mars Volta I don't really know very well, they seemed kind of heavy to me.

The Manics should be in - they started out pretty explicitly trying to be a kind of GnR/Clash hybrid, albeit in a sort of weird way. Gold Against The Soul obviously qualifies, for its great production as much as anything. The Holy Bible I was a bit tentative about, but it's dark enough in theme and sound, even if a bit low on anthemic solos or whatever else metal means to you guys.

Generally, if there's a doubt either way, just keep them in - people won't vote for them if they don't think they count.

Great list! A few more nominations:

OM - Pilgrimage
Guns 'N Roses - The Spaghetti Incident?
Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town

here comes the "Are OM metal?"
spaghetti incident, are you serious?
Noone will vote for that kyuss against the other 2 - you sure you want it in? it might cause a vote split.

Skynyrd (and ZZ Top) are definitely hard rock, but i wouldn't exactly claim that either is heavy (aside from a track or two, of course).

xp Denied!

Stick OM in there- certainly heavy enough IMO.

Re. GNR- I was actually thinking of GNR Lies (Spaghetti is indeed rubbish), so maybe put that in instead? Lies is a really good record..

Not bothered about Circus... too much, though I think "Spaceship Landing" is a monster.

spaceship landing is wonderful (nip over to tracks thread)
I'll add the Om
Ok will add Lies.
I'll put the kyuss in but hope it doesnt cause vote split

is lies the one with the dodgy one in a million song?

Captain Beyond are definitely hard rock, if Wishbone Ash count then they certainly do. I'd say Lynyrd Skynyrd & ZZ Top should be in too, definitely closer to hard rock than yer Allman Brothers type stuff.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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so every ozzy era sabbath and led zep album has been nominated?

Noone will vote for that kyuss against the other 2 - you sure you want it in?
Also any of the more alternative stuff, should they be vetoed? (nirvana/pearl jam/soundgarden/Helmet/janes addiction stay in, but should fishbone,manics,lightning bolt ,refused , swans, the god machine (who i love but...) the mars volta, )
I think essentials that are missing should be the main concern.

Kerr, you seriously need to relax and stop gaming this poll before it even gets off the ground. If someone nominates something that someone strongly objects to, they'll tell you. Otherwise, I love that this list is getting more and more diverse all the time. You need to quit pulling your hair out over it.

I just want to avoid people moaning when the results come in that "that shouldn't have been nominated". So i have to ask if people want to veto stuff now, as it will be too late by then.

Plus im getting moaned at on chatz that stuff on it shouldn't be on there but they wont post it here.
I'm perfectly relaxed!

If the people on Chatz are ilxors just tell them to bring it to the thread or be ignored. If not, it's none of their business. But one thing I don't get is your discounting of albums 'because it might split the vote'. So what? It's not a band poll, it's albums and tracks. If you like an album/track enough, you'll vote for it. If not, you won't.

Oh I know, I was just reminding people that vote split might occur, I still added the albums. (and yes it's ilxors)

lol dan did you do bad mod things?

I don't think I have said this yet, thank you to everyone who has taken the trouble to nominate albums!

Are we lacking in any genres? 70s are very well covered, so is hair metal,bm,dm,power,alt/grunge and doom/stoner. V light on drone stuff but even as much as i love it, it doesn't really belong on a list outside of earth/sunn 0))) (if they even make it).

Viking? Pirate?

I think there is some viking metal in there actually.

Speaking of Pirate, Back to the Noose by Swashbuckle isn't a bad album. Don't know if I'd vote for it, but throwing it out there.

You nominating it or asking if someone wants to?

I was thinking of nominating a Zeni Geva album.

Infact I shall
Zeni Geva - 10,000 Light Years

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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I forgot them. In that case, I'd like to nominate :
Zeni Geva - Total Castration

Done!

hah I just had a thought and looked at RYM custom decade lists for various styles of metal, and i think they feature all the albums posted here (even the viking metal albums)

We're missing some of these if anyone wants to nominate them

Haha, Turn Loose the Swans is a wonderfully underwhelming name for a metal album. "Oh shit, he's turned loose the swans! How on Earth will we get out of this one?" I imagine the follow up was called Unleash the Mallards.

You know something, I never ever cared for My Dying Bride or Anathema.

that boris isnt nominated either

Monster Magnet - Tab
Earth - The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull
Six Feet Under - Warpath

I think Tab was nommed in the singles list too , lol

some things that need adding:

Skepticism - Lead and Aether
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived

I thought I may have already nominated it, but I don't see it on this list, so maybe I didn't: A Perfect Circle, Thirteenth Step, plz

Azurite - Azurite
Granmax - Kiss Heaven Goodbye
Heavy Load - Full Speed at High Level
Legend - Fröm the Fjörds

added

never heard of them, but added.

ty

Oh I've heard of your pick. I even own their 1st cd (as well as the Tool cds, which I bought when they came out)

Man, Opiate seems so long ago now.

Thirteenth Step really is wonderful

Sigh - Ghastly Funeral Theater
Sigh - Hail Horror Hail

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Ea - Taesse
Intaglio - Intaglio

both so good. props to scott for repping 'em on some metal thread or other!

^^^funeral doom from Russia needs love too!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Super Ae is pretty hard but if its vetoed its vetoed.

Thirteenth Step really is wonderful

I totally agree but I kind of question it as a metal album...?

(then again I apparently don't know what metal actually is)

I guess it qualifies as heavy rock.

The two latter Mr. Bungle albums probably aren't metal enough are they?

I dunno if it really matters, I'd be surprised if they made a top 100, the last 2 Ulver aren't metal albums but still by a metal band. Though I'm sure Mr Bungle would deny being a metal band.

Irrelevant - Motorhead denies being a metal band too.

I think we will keep mr bungle and motorhead in anyway

boost your fave songs over at YOUTUBE Companion thread for ILM METAL/HEAVY ROCK TRACKS POLL

(FWIW, I personally would definitely also include most punk rock and the heavier postpunk/alt/indie stuff like Husker Du or the Birthday Party or 90s Sonic Youth as 'heavy rock'. I don't see it as my decision to make though.)

I think, with this being ilm, they would then get all the votes and the actual metal/heavy rock wouldn't get in. We just need to draw a line somewhere. I love all those bands but I cant let them in. They just dont meet the criteria.

I would say that any band with a notable VU influence don't count as heavy rock / metal, that's my personal line in the sand. So, no Sonic Youth, JAMC etc. Not really sure where the line between punk and metal is these days, or where it ever was in fact.

I think we have the right line here so far.

Yeah, I do understand your reasoning on those strategic grounds, Kerr.

I know Zen Arcade could possibly fit within the parameters, but none of the others. But bob hates metal/heavy rock. So i'll trust his judgement and leave it out. The reason that black flag & bad brains stuff is in is because there is no doubt about the heavy rock influence there. But earlier stuff doesn't.
But im sure they would get in a catch all rock poll if someone wishes to ever run one.

Mean, I was tempted to nominate a couple of Funkadelic albums, but do they really belong? I guess Standing At The Verge Of Getting It On does. Infact that is a heavy rock album (with no VU lineage ;) ). so in it goes!

If anyone wishes to veto it then fine,

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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885 albums, lol

It's a shame we can only vote for 884! The second Vixen album just won't make my ballot.

If I were LJ, I'd do something silly like limit votes to 5 per genre and only allow you to vote for 1 album per band.

fucking hell, i forgot to nominate
Turbonegro - Apocalypse Dudes

Anyone think our poll results will resemble this? Metalrules.com 100 Best Real Metal Albums Ever

I hate the presumption that there is real metal. An exclusionary ivory tower is no way to appreciate music. That said, I appreciate that they were kind of enough (despite the coy blurbs that go along with them) to include some glam/hair metal titles.

There is no way our ILM poll will be described as "real metal" that's for sure.

Good or bad thing?

That metalrules list gets a C, maybe a C+

RYM list

That's a bit more like it!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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That metalrules list gets a C, maybe a C+

― Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:26 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

RYM list

― hazy cosmic jedi (abanana), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:43 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's a bit more like it!

― Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 14:57

I for one would love to see a Bill Magill list.

Obviously I will assuming bill votes!

I certainly will be

How long should we keep voting open? 3 weeks? 4 weeks?

btw I know someone who has his tracks & albums ballot finalised and ready to go, lol

Up to you Herm, whatever's standard for this type of stuff.

I haven't even thought about my ballot as I'm busy enough with this, so I cant believe someone did theirs already. But I guess most people have actually finished with their noms so they could make their ballot already.

I'm not sure , Bill. I thought i'd ask people on the thread what they wanted. I'd say 3 weeks was enough but I'll go with the majority of those who can be bothered to say what they want.

So guys voting period: 2 weeks? 3 weeks? 4 weeks?

3 weeks was ideal for the 2005-09 polls, but it didn't matter. 50% of the votes came in the last 2 days.

hey would that first Comets on Fire album count or not?

sure nominate away

Comets on Fire

3 weeks is fine for voting, I think. We don't want anyone claiming they didn't have enough time.

It's a self titled isnt it?

yes

Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

and why not:

Smashing Pumpkins - Pisces Iscariot

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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3 weeks was ideal for the 2005-09 polls, but it didn't matter. 50% of the votes came in the last 2 days.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 22:31

3 weeks is fine for voting, I think. We don't want anyone claiming they didn't have enough time.

― Green Manalishi (Viceroy), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 22:39

OK 3 weeks it is unless others pipe up with something different.

btw only ONE metal album placed in the ILM 2004-2009 poll.

I think nominations look complete now but I will leave it open to give latecomers a chance.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Warrior Soul - Chill Pill
Warrior Soul - Drugs, God and the New Republic

lj we got enough art metal for you? I put some SYL in

would fraction - moon blood and stonewall - s/t fit in here? both excellent early 70s hard rock

I don't know them at all, I'll add them to the spreadsheet then wait and see what others say.
Feel free to stan for stuff on the youtube thread!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Limbonic Art - Moon in the Scorpio
Limbonic Art - The Ultimate Death Worship

I can't believe I forgot about those guys!

Added

anything else? last 2 days to nominate stuff.

Cradle of Filth - Dusk and Her Embrace

oh and:
Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia

thank you to whoever nominated Around the Fur. Put that on today for the first time in years. Still kicks ass.

I think it was LJ?

tbh I'm glad but surprised at a lack of nu-metal bar the obvious slipknot/deftones/korn/sepultura/soad. It really wasn't an albums genre was it (a bit like hair metal i guess). I suppose that is the surprising thing about metalcore getting so popular, no hit singles, yet sells shitloads.

I think it was LJ?

lol @ you, no it wasn't - probably johnny fever

Never thought of Sepultura as nu-metal at all.

I think Roots & stuff after got the label

LJ, I guess it wasn't you then. That one is actually a decent album but it's no White Pony.

i think ive already raged and bristled somewhere on ilx about nu-metal getting applied to sepultura so i will just sit here and stew quietly

oh you want some nu-metal?

Biohazard - Urban Discipline
Nothingface - Violence
Sevendust - Home
Sevendust - S/T
Skinlab - Bound, Gagged and Blindfolded

lol jj, sepultura were the BIG influence on Korn though, plus sepultura supported nu-metal in the press, they took all the bands with them on tour (remember shite like coal chamber? blame fucking max) and anything from roots onwards fitted with it all and the nu-metal kids bought it all. But obv they have fuck all to do with linkin park and what nu-metal came.

Who the fuck are Nothingface??

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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I thought skot or alex in nyc would have nominated some crossover thrash stuff

Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
D.R.I - Dealing With It
D.R.I - Crossover

lol

I've added some old screamo like Gospel, Botch,City Of Caterpillar, Keelhaul,Envy btw and I'm not ashamed.
Skot will back me up on Gospel, I think we're the only fans on ILM?

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

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Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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937 albums that should say. We cant possibly be missing any essentials now.

Part Chimp - I am Come

What's the max number of votes allowed? 50?

The Accused - Martha Splatterhead EP
The Accused - Martha Splatterhead's Maddest Stories Ever Told
S.O.D. - Speak English or Die

I think so, though considering there's nearly a thousand nominations (!!!) It might be REALLY REAllY hard to cut down a list to 50. I would be personally OK with a max of 100 but still min of 15, but I think John (who is tabulating) would much prefer 50 as 100 might be way too much work (i have no idea about the software, perhaps 50 or 100 wont make a difference, but I have NO IDEA so it's entirely up to him. If he wants 50 or 100 I'll go along with what he chooses.
It's really really really good of John to volunteer, as it's totally beyond me, so I'd like to thank him for doing it. He is the guy who is making the poll happen and 100% thanks should be given in his direction.

So thanks John!

xp

No matter how big the master list gets, 50 is enough (and frankly, 40 is really probably enough) per ballot per person.

Yeah, I'm totally fine with 50. But will leave it up to john to decide. 40 not enough though!

btw how big was the noms list for the half decade poll?

Ok I finally made time to add more nominations:

Amorphis – Tales from the Thousand Lakes
Asphyx – Last One On Earth
Asunder – Works Will Come Undone
Candlemass - Candlemass
Danzig - 4
Enslaved – Mardraum
Fates Warning – Awaken the Guardian
Funkadelic – Maggot Brain
Immolation – Closer to a World Below
Khanate – Things Viral
Ludicra – Hollow Psalms
Ludicra – Another Great Love Song
Ludicra – Fex Urbis Lex Orbis
Ludicra – The Tenant
Marduk – Panzer Division Marduk
Morbid Angel – Domination
Morgoth - Odium
Mountain – Nantucket Sleighride
Necrophobic – The Nocturnal Silence
Neurosis – Souls At Zero
Neurosis – Enemy of the Sun
Opeth – Deliverance
Ozzy Osbourne – Blizzard of Oz
Ozzy Osbourne – Diary of a Madman
Ozzy Osbourne – No Rest for the Wicked
Pentagram – First Daze Here
Raging Slab – True Death
Raging Slab – The Dealer
Rebaelliun – Annihilation
Saint Vitus – C.O.D.
Scorpions – Virgin Killers
Slayer – Show No Mercy
Sleep – Volume One
Soundgarden – Screaming Life
Spirit Caravan – Jug Fulla Sun
Unearthly Trance – In The Red
Ved Buens Ende – Written In Waters
Voivod – Phobos
Voivod – Voivod
Witchfinder General – Friends of Hell
Will Haven – El Diablo
Will Haven – Carpe Diem

btw how big was the noms list for the half decade poll?

Just over 1000 albums and just under 1000 tracks.

Danzig 4?? I thought everyone hated that.

Im not sure maggot brain qualifies as a heavy rock album, even if it is my favourite album of all time. Yes there's some heavy rock tracks on it but it's not really an out and out rock record like Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On.

I love it! (Danzig 4, that is.)

whoah, that's a big list for a half decade poll. How many album ballots was there? We wont get even half of that I'm sure.

Danzig 4 is just as good as the first 3. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening. It's all about John Christ and Chuck Biscuits.

xp There were just over 100 ballots total, but some were albums-only, some were tracks-only, and some were sent separately by the same person. It's hard to say how many of each there were, but right at 104-106 if I had to guesstimate.

we wont get that amount! Probably most of those voters wont even look at a metal thread nevermind vote. Which is a pity, would be good to introduce some to good music they don't know.

Danzig 4 is just as good as the first 3. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening. It's all about John Christ and Chuck Biscuits.

I remember being disappointed at the time and I've not heard it since. 1st 3 rule though.

Judas Priest - Painkiller somehow wasn't on it but is now.

35007 - 35007
3rd & The Mortal - Tears Laid In Earth
A Black Rose Burial - An Awakening of Revanents
A Perfect Circle - mer de noms
A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step
Absu - Absu
Absu - Tara
Absurd - Asgardsrei
AC/DC - Back In Black
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
AC/DC - For Those About to Rock
AC/DC - High Voltage
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
AC/DC - Powerage
Accept - Accept
Accept - Metal Heart
Accept - Restless and Wild
Acid Bath - Paegan Terrorism Tactics
Acid Bath - When The Kite String Pops
Acrimony - Tumuli Shroomaroom
Aerosmith - Draw the Line
Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
Aerosmith - Pump
Aerosmith - Rocks
Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic
After Forever - After Forever
Agalloch - Ashes Against The Grain
Agalloch - From Which of This Oak
Agalloch - Pale Folklore
Agalloch - The Mantle
Agent Steel - Skeptics Apocalypse
Agent Steel - Unstoppable Force
Alcest - Le Secret
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Alice Cooper - Killer
Alice Cooper - Love It to Death
Alice Cooper - Welcome to my Nightmare
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Alice In Chains - Facelift
Amaseffer - Slaves for Life
Amebix - Arise!
Amebix - Monolith
Amon Amarth - Versus The World
Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side
Amorphis - Tales From The 1000 Lakes

Just over 1000 albums btw.

glad I actually read this today rather than just checking the noms list:

Linkin Park & Jay Z - Collision Course
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Pearl Jam - Yield

linkin park aren't metal!

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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What are they then? I wasn't kidding about Collision Course by the way, it's excellent.

haha can I nominate Atari Teenage Riot?

no

jj wants to be strict on definitions of heavy rock/metal

you guys

so then why are all of the grunge artists on there again?

because kerr likes to drive us crazy

ah right, forgot

Either you include all heavy rock (including Nirvana and Linkin Park and whomever else operates in the loud guitar milieu) or you get random in your vetos which is what seems to be happening. Linkin Park is more hard rock than Pearl Jam, ZZ Top isn't really hard at all, and on and on. I don't think being broader is going to threaten the results - we'll still see plenty of Sabbath and MAiden and the like near the top.

Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
Katatonia - Last Fair Deal Gone Down
Sigh - Scenes from Hell
Rhapsody - Power of the Dragonflame

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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1009 albums nominated.

We must have plenty, even Tom D isn't complaining we've left something from his youth off the list!

Its not really worth expanding nominations past midnight is it? Or do you want it to end 11.59pm july 16th?

You're too impatient. Let it breathe!

so you want it to end friday night?

I wanted to start the voting on a workday.

Ending noms on a particular day generally means at the end of that day. I think you'll be fine starting votes on a Saturday, because I have no doubt you'll be constantly bumping up the voting thread to draw attention to it anyway.

I sorta wanted to avoid that but since you gave me permission!

So are there any albums here that should be vetoed?

Justen Thyme & Dans Macabre - Teenage Diaries Of A Minneapolis Goth Aged 15 3/4

this is just a test to see if i am paying attention right

I thought that was a certain mod friend of yours

it wasn't me!

so john are you vetoing anything?

still looking through the list - the only veto thought i had so far was for kid rock, but thats just because i hate it so goddamn much, not because it shouldnt be allowed so

an other nomination:

Kid Rock - "Bawitdaba"

john deal with him^

oh sorry this is the album poll

the real contentious stuff is in the tracks poll. I had to veto dans chris de burgh suggestion.

That wasn't my suggestion! I just saw it and thought it was funny!

unsure about killing joke
baffled by manic street preachers, but maybe i just dont know all that much about them
red hot chili peppers is also questionable

not really strongly opposed to any of them so unless someone else agrees leave them in

I say let them in, early MSP is heavy rock influenced. but nothing post richey. 80s RHCP seems fair enough. KJ , alex in nyc would say werent metal or heavy rock or industrial, but they're heavy enough on a couple of albums to get in.

Like I said, we were stricter for albums. It's the tracks list that's dodgy.

80s RHCP is a skate-funk band

Pat Boone - In A Metal Mood: No More Mr Nice Guy

Mothers Milk is heavy rock

Peppers heaviest stuff was with Dave Navarro. Just sayin'.

it wasnt very good though :(

But it was hard rock, whereas the Hillel stuff wasn't. Just sayin'.

Free - Fire and Water
Robin Trower Band - Bridge of Sighs
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
Steppenmolf - Monster

Yeah, I know. Mothers Milk era is though, so I'm fine with that. even bloodsugar... era im fine with. On the trax poll,Under the bridge i was ok with cuz plenty of heavy rock/metal bands did ballads. but if john and others want it gone, it went.

xp
We agreed on this thread earlier that hendrix wasnt on the albums poll but certain tracks were fine on the other, sorry man.

John, you happy with nominations then? Perhaps you could please change the title to Nominations end 11.59pm UK Time July 16th ?

Thanks.

Everyone can see when it ends, though I am pretty sure all genuine metal/heavy rock essentials are nominated now.

Checked etc, but JJ may wish to veto stuff

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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can you post that list one more time? i missed it. hahahaha!

I bookmark the thread. So I dont see the list. Im just also trying to stop doubles being posted to make JJ's task easier.

Herman, I didn't want you to miss out on seeing the list.

For full list of album and track nominations, please refer to the full lists in the voting thread.

Albums: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

Tracks: ~~~ VOTING THREAD : ILM ALLTIME METAL/HEAVY ROCK ALBUMS/TRACKS POLL~~~ VOTING CLOSED

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Funkadelic doesn't belong. If Jay Z doesn't even get considered DESPITE ACTUALLY BEING ON A NU-METAL RECORD and you're vetoing a bunch of rock that's borderline, Funkadelic should be out too.

I don't care one way or the other. Kerr will vote for it, and maybe two or three other people, but I don't see it making the final results anyway. And if they do? Well, hot dog! ILM continues to be very ILM-y.

Well that'd be my attitude too, but a bunch of stuff I like keeps getting kicked off for being too poppy or whatever. I want a broad list, but if that just means including one or two house favourites.

SOAD - Steal This Album!

Went to see Black Mountain the other night, who were simply brilliant. But don't know albums well enough to nominate one ...

That funkadelic album is a heavy rock album, I already vetoed maggot brain the album.

If people want a Funkadelic album vetoed then it shall be vetoed. Same goes for any "borderline album".

What do you object to?

Everyone ok with voting finishing 11.59pm UK time August 2nd? Or would you prefer the 9th?
It has to be one of those dates so john has nearly a week to do the tabulations for the tracks results to get it ready for start the following monday, and then the albums results the following monday.

I think the 2nd of August is enough, as previous polls usually get most votes the 1st 2 days and last 2 days.
And if you're wondering why a monday, it's just so that the final day of voting falls on a workday, whilst giving john the maximum time to tabulate the results.

I think voting should finish at the stroke of midnight on December 31, 2010.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! UR ILX POLL IS STARTING LOL

(j/k I think August 2 is fine!)

I somehow missed one of my favorite live albums ever (and my favorite by this band):

Iron Maiden - Live After Death

Im not sure I can allow it, after all it would mean reposting the albums list..

You need to fix Slough Feg anyways - one is under "Lord Weird..." while the others are under "The Lord Weird..."

Standing on the Verge is certainly a "Heavy Rock" album, as is Maggot Brain.

I think more say yes than no to maggot brain so I'll have to let it in then. But Dont blame me folks, I said no to one of my fave albums ever but got outvoted.