ILM July Madness: SWEET SIXTEEN - WEST/MIDWEST

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, The Beatles

Can, Stones, Kate, Beatles

JB vs. the Beatles ... I can't make this decision

I'm afraid things are about to get really fucking white after this round

Can vs. Notorious B.I.G.

this is like Ghana/Uruguay for me, where the Beach Boys = USA and Can = Ghana and so I am passively supporting Ghana-Can because I like them and "yeah go Africa" etc. but I am also not gonna be bitter if Biggie wins because I secretly want Can to lose simply because they beat the Beach Boys - even though I listen to / like Can more than Biggie.

Rolling Stones vs. Joy Division/New Order

I think the Rolling Stones' 1968-1973 period is flawless, but I've always liked the band and never loved them. JD/NO also sounds like a double degree I should be looking into or something.

Kate Bush vs. Bob Dylan

upset in the making? Kate Bush beat H&O by such a margin that I went from "maybe I should have left off Kate Bush" to "maybe I should have left off Hall and Oates." otoh she's against Bob Dylan.

The Beatles vs. James Brown

one thing I really like about The Beatles is that you hear them so often in public places. whenever I go to cafes or grocery stores or NYC rock clubs I get to hear The Beatles and it just makes my day so much better.

one thing I really like about The Beatles is that you hear them so often in public places. whenever I go to cafes or grocery stores or NYC rock clubs I get to hear The Beatles and it just makes my day so much better.

ROFLZ

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, James Brown

B.I.G. and Dylan easily for me, but the other two killed me. Already maybe regretting picking New Order over the Stones, but on a fundamental level I find New Order more likable than the Stones, who I often hate even when I obsess over them. I was prepared to go for Beatles over Brown, but then I though about "Hot Pants" and then I listened to "Hot Pants" and then I felt like I could listen to that groove forever without getting tired of it and then I used a random number generator and decided evens meant Beatles and odds meant Brown and then I voted for Brown.

I voted for JB just to annoy Geir

ok wait now i want to change my vote

Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, James Brown

Well, I just voted Can, JD/NO, Kate Bush, James Brown, but now I'm thinking about who I listen to more, and maybe I should have gone for Dylan.

Can, Stones, Dylan, Beatles.

Beatles vs. James Brown was just sick.

Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, James Brown

Love the Beatles, but if I was forced to choose between Star Time and any four random Beatle albums, Star TIme would win every time.

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, The Beatles

I'm not a really avid fan of Biggie, but I can count on one hand the number of Can tracks I really like (I love none).

did i really vote for New Order/Joy Divison over the Rolling Stones?

i should kill myself NOW

Biggie, Stones, Kate, Beatles.

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, James Brown

so easily.

if bob dylan and kate bush actually duked it out bob dylan would start by whining and twanging on his acoustic guitar and kate would be like blam blam on her piano and drown him out with her pipes, then bob dylan would be like "a-haaa!" and pull out his electric guitar and half his pussy fanbase would cry and go home and he'd strum his guitar and it would sound a little buzzier and crunchier but kate would pull out a massive synth and it'd go "blaaaaooowwww" and she'd go "waaaaah-ooooooooooo!" and his hair would blow back and turn grey and then he'd blow on his harmonica and kate would get a headache and then be really angry and she'd go "sccrrrreeeeeeeeee!" and lighting would shoot out of the sky and destroy bob dylan. Then she'd sit on the beach and watch the wind and the water and the sand erode his body in the golden light of an eternal sunset.

^^^ http://noq.ccrepair.net/images/motivators/nerds.jpg

Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Beatles. I like a couple of Can songs but don't get what the big deal is. I love NO tons and tons but c'mon. I don't see myself voting against Dylan in any poll. JB vs Beatles is kinda tough but not really.

biggie, stones, dylan, jb

booooooo @ everyone voting against kate bush and joy division!

tbh i don't really listen to the stones or dylan or kate or jd/no and aren't passionate about either matchup, i mostly just voted the ones i know a bit better in those cases

really the only acts in this round i care about are big, jb, & the fabs

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, James Brown

if bob dylan and kate bush actually duked it out bob dylan would start by whining and twanging on his acoustic guitar and kate would be like blam blam on her piano and drown him out with her pipes, then bob dylan would be like "a-haaa!" and pull out his electric guitar and half his pussy fanbase would cry and go home and he'd strum his guitar and it would sound a little buzzier and crunchier but kate would pull out a massive synth and it'd go "blaaaaooowwww" and she'd go "waaaaah-ooooooooooo!" and his hair would blow back and turn grey and then he'd blow on his harmonica and kate would get a headache and then be really angry and she'd go "sccrrrreeeeeeeeee!" and lighting would shoot out of the sky and destroy bob dylan. Then she'd sit on the beach and watch the wind and the water and the sand erode his body in the golden light of an eternal sunset.

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, July 16, 2010 6:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

<3 <3 <3

fever/lynskey otm. sorry jagger

Can, Stones, Kate, James Brown

heh, found myself voting for artists in this round that I'd never have considered voting for in the prev one

Can, couldn't give a hoot, Kate Bush, James Brown

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, The Beatles

― Bee OK, Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:44 PM (Yesterday)

^^^^^^^^^^

Can, Stones, Dylan (but don't care much either way), Brown

I'm voting Can, and that's about as far as I've got. Both acts in the other 3 pairs are big canonical bands that I like a few things by, don't like the omg genius reverence surrounding, and can't get too worked up about either way.

Can, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

I think my Americanness is showing in this round. I just haven't been all that exposed to New Order (outside of a couple of huge hits, and yes I know the Stones are not American) or Kate Bush. Though karl's awesome post almost persuaded me to vote for her anyway.

Biggie, Joy Division/New Order, Dylan, Beatles.

Can, JD/NO, Dylan, Beatles

Can, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

could have gone either way on Rolling Stones/JD/NO. These days I'm just more into the Stones

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

I don't like Joy Division much, but I like the NO that I like better than the RS I like. Wish that JB had been paired up with someone else this early. He's a real heavyweight in my pantheon, but can't hold up to all the nostalgia and emotion tied up in the Beatles.

I don't like Can as much as any of these guys, but I like them better than Biggy. Thinking back about it though, I wish I could vote for Beach Boys instead of them, but what can you do.

yeah some of these pairings are really a bummer - pissed that Can knocked out the BB's by ONE VOTE.

also - is it me or does anyone else suspect that after this round on it's gonna be all white folks

Can had a black guy... what am I talking about, they had three!

Can vs. Biggie is a bit unfair on Biggie IMO. Now Biggie vs. Kate Bush, I would have relished.

xpost to Shakey

Could be. I voted for Stevie and Prince in the other bracket and would be kind of shocked if they both lost--do people really like Steely Dan with that much passion? JB versus the Beatles is harsh though--I'm with kkvgz: I can't not vote for the band I first became aware of as a band, the Beatles are just too important for how I got into music as a thing in the first place.

Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Beatles

is it me or does anyone else suspect that after this round on it's gonna be all white folks

Prince may have a good chance (hopefully), and I'd say Stevie's about 50/50. And yeah, Can weren't all white, so whoever wins out of that battle, there's still at least one non-white person left in the competition.

There are only 3.5 females left in the running at the moment, which is pretty piss-poor (Nico counts as a .5, btw).

I think Stevie's gonna get his ass handed to him

Prince vs. the Dan is a much closer call - thinking the poptimist crew might tip it in Prince's favor, since he's more acceptable to them as an influential presence on current pop trends than aging coked-out rockers the Dan

Yeah, I don't want to nitpick these polls too much--"canon" talk can devolve tediously, and these are just a diverting excuse to tell Smiths fans they suck. But, it occurs to me that all of these bands are from (iirc) either the US, the UK, Germany, or Sweden. Which is kinda weird.

xp
emil.y: are you counting Moe Tucker too?

I think emil.y's math = Kate Bush + woman in New Order/Joy Division whose name I can't remember + Mo Tucker + Nico

Yeah, I was. Kate Bush, Gillian from NO, Moe Tucker and Nico. Are there any more?

xpost, yep.

ah thanks. I actually didn't even know about Gillian, so when I counted I only got 2.5

do people really like Steely Dan with that much passion?

um yes

Yeah, I guess I knew that, and I don't object or anything, but I find it surprising. Maybe I should try coke?

haha feels so weird voting for Stones, Beatles, Dylan and...Biggie

lol I don't think the coke is necessary (certainly not in my case!)

haha feels so weird voting for Stones, Beatles, Dylan and...Biggie

me too. I'm not a Biggie fan, but compared to Can he's an all time fav.

oh I love Biggie and don't give a shit about Can, it's just funny that this bracket was set up so that you can vote for pretty much the big 3 all-time rock icons plus one odd man out

gotcha. It does look a bit weird.

once I decided on the 32 I just had the computer randomize - left side turned out classic rock heavy, but at least that prevents a beatles - dylan / beatles - RS final

true

final four prediction: beatles, stones, velvets, prince

nb i just got that from the acts that received the most votes in the first round

Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Kate Bush, The Beatles

if bob dylan and kate bush actually duked it out bob dylan would start by whining and twanging on his acoustic guitar and kate would be like blam blam on her piano and drown him out with her pipes, then bob dylan would be like "a-haaa!" and pull out his electric guitar and half his pussy fanbase would cry and go home and he'd strum his guitar and it would sound a little buzzier and crunchier but kate would pull out a massive synth and it'd go "blaaaaooowwww" and she'd go "waaaaah-ooooooooooo!" and his hair would blow back and turn grey and then he'd blow on his harmonica and kate would get a headache and then be really angry and she'd go "sccrrrreeeeeeeeee!" and lighting would shoot out of the sky and destroy bob dylan. Then she'd sit on the beach and watch the wind and the water and the sand erode his body in the golden light of an eternal sunset.

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 16 July 2010 07:38 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do we have a 'greatest posts of all time' thread this can go in?

I feel bad I wasn't around to vote in the last two rounds, going- Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Kate Bush, James Brown

so I changed stylesheets for reasons entirely unrelated to this, but the bracket image went from being resized small to being its normal size

so I guess it's just a stylesheet thing?

and drown him out with her pipes

have you actually heard Dylan sing?
like at full power?
thought not.

u-toob awaits...

evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qE6WQmNus

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, The Beatles

http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/bobdylan.jpg

/trollin

bah! only britishes can <3 Kate.

vvvv not british

i don't believe you...YOU'RE A LIAR!

if I were starting this poll today, I think I would take out Hall and Oates, Black Sabbath and The Stooges and add Cocteau Twins, Sonic Youth and the Go-Betweens

not that it would affect much, I think

Dylan brings out the challenging opinions, I can see.

always.

I'm actually kind of glad Pixies escaped this whole process, because I'd be very depressed when they got eliminated in favor of something shitty like Kraftwerk.

kind of wish I had voted for Dylan now that ppl are beating up on him

something shitty like Kraftwerk.

do not say this in my presence

the only artist/group I actually dislike out of the orig 32 = Radiohead

actually I take that back. iirc I like a few tracks off Amnesiac so I can't say I dislike them.

something shitty like Kraftwerk.

^^^Truthbomb.

kind of wish I had voted for Dylan now that ppl are beating up on him

― goth (crüt)

joeks bruv. anyway kate's dishin out the real beating.

hopefully

these are fun polls iatee, thanks for making them.

plz james brown plzzzz ppl

welcome! I'm glad they got a good response. I think maybe the knockout structure could be used for other polls in the future...songs? movies? I dunno. it's not very scientific, but it's something different...

My Shakespeare prof had us do a March Madness bracket of 32 different Shakespeare characters for extra credit.

All her metaphors in class were about basketball, too. I think she explained Othello by breaking down the early '90s Bulls lineup for us.

who won your bracket?

It was down to Iago v Othello & we all know how that works out.

yeah, the only one of these options--in any of these polls--i really care about winning is James Brown, tbh. he won't of course. >:(

xps

i don't believe you...YOU'RE A LIAR!

― deep purple yoda (Ioannis

Ha! I got the Manchester Free Trade Hall (or Royal Albert Hall, if you wish) reference.

Dylan should win his bracket for that concert alone!

^__^

first round ranked by votes:

79 VU
71 Kraftwerk
69 Beatles
65 Kate Bush
63 Prince
61 Rolling Stones
61 Public Enemy
59 Stevie Wonder
57 James Brown
57 Fleetwood Mac
55 Cure
55 The Smiths
54 Steely Dan
52 JD/NO
52 Bob Dylan
52 Eno
47 Biggie
46 David Bowie
45 Beach Boys
45 Al Green
44 ABBA
44 MBV
41 P-Funk
39 David Bowie
39 WTC
39 Stooges
38 The Fall
37 Radiohead
31 Hall and Oates
30 CCR
30 Black Sabbath
27 Madonna

by percentage of votes:

71.88% Beatles
68.10% VU
67.74% Prince
67.71% Kate Bush
67.03% Rolling Stones
61.21% Kraftwerk
59.38% James Brown
59.14% The Smiths
58.06% Steely Dan
57.14% JD/NO
55.91% Eno
54.17% Bob Dylan
52.59% Public Enemy
51.65% Biggie
50.86% Stevie Wonder
50.55% David Bowie
49.45% Beach Boys
49.14% Fleetwood Mac
48.35% ABBA
47.41% Cure
45.83% MBV
44.09% P-Funk
42.86% David Bowie
41.94% Stooges
40.86% The Fall
40.63% WTC
38.79% Al Green
32.97% CCR
32.29% Hall and Oates
32.26% Black Sabbath
31.90% Radiohead
28.13% Madonna

wait that second one is wrong

50.55% David Bowie
and
46 David Bowie

are actually Can

Can, NEITHER, Bush, Beatles

gonna flip a coin for stones vs jd/no. actually no, i'm gonna vote stones if only to remind me to listen to those albums shakey mo recommended.

but wait jagger, bush? really? that's a kneejerk to hearing aerial. really, you grew up on bob dylan. think about it.

aghghghgh

I grew up on Yanni, but you don't see me repping for him.

can't believe I forgot to include yanni

was originally gonna go with west/midwest/south/east/mediterranean

There are people who grew up on Yanni? Voluntarily? Consider my mind thoroughly boggled.

yes, i've been known to get around.

Can, Joy Division/New Order, Bob Dylan, James Brown

Don't love Dylan but don't even like Kate Bush. Closest was Rolling Stones vs. JD/NO.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

predictions?

Big - 61
Can - 49

Stones - 68
JD/NO - 42

Kate Bush - 40
Bob Dylan - 70

Beatles - 75
JB - 35

think they will all be closer

yeah actually looking at how dylan did last time that's a stretch

yeah plenty of (completely insane imho) Dylan-haters about

voted Dylan in the end btw, after a brief inner struggle - can't fucking deny Blonde On Blonde and I haven't really gotten into KB yet although I fully accept she might become one of my favourite artists

of all the match-ups so far, that one's the one I've had the most trouble with for GOOD reasons

oh you will love KB louis!

get the Dreaming

numerical predictions, people! winner gets a prize

I mean...the prize of being right

mind you I am listening to Aerial right now and yeah. this album.

The Dreaming and HOL are two records I need tbh

HOL is fucking fantastic and seems kinda custom pinstriped for the ears of LJ

Louis don't you dare vote for Dylan over Bush.

TOO LATE

but I am regretting it slightly - would have voted either over any other band here except The Beatles

HOL is so good it'll turn you into a poptimist.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

not that close in the end

Here's my count:

Can 77
Biggie 43

Joy Division/New Order 56
Rolling Stones 64

Bob Dylan 66
Kate Bush 54

The Beatles 70
James Brown 50

JD/NO R.I.P. ;_;

Beatles/James Brown pairing should've come closer to the end imho - sad to see JB knocked out so early

or else it shoulda been Beatles vs. Stones in classic grudge match fashion lol

Next round will be super easy for me.

Can have had a stupendously easy path to the last 4 btw

Rolling Stones vs. Can will be one of the easiest votes for me in this entire tourney.

(I will be voting Stones, fwiw.)

me too. Can is not my thing.

Dylan vs. the Beatles is kinda brutal tho

Yeah, I'm basically going to have to flip a coin there (but I'm already leaning Beatles).

whoever wins (The Beatles) will absolutely DESTROY whoever wins the other QF

at this point I find it hard to believe the Beatles won't win

(by which I mean the entire tournament - I just don't think any of the remaining options are gonna garner wider appeal)

like, if anybody was gonna knock out the Beatles it was probably James Brown - Velvets have a chance, I guess

Bye Kate...you were the best person of the original 32.

Prince has a smidgen of a chance, maybe. Prince vs VU will be the 'real' final. Unless ILM disappoints me and goes Smiths.

i think there's plenty of stuff that could knock out the beatles but none was in that division

If The Smiths beat Eno, I'd vote them over Steely Dan. I'd probably vote Prince over The Smiths, though. Maybe. I'm not sure yet.

If Eno wins that one, I'd vote either Steely Dan or Prince over him.

can v. biggie results are so so rong

Biggie is mad overrated

dylan could beat the beatles, I think

Bye Kate...you were the best person of the original 32.

― could be a bad day for (Abbott)

^^^yup. actually probably between Kate and Eno for me.

ILX, you are dead to me. fucking boring-ass canon picking bitches.

Rolling Stones vs. Can will be one of the easiest votes for me in this entire tourney.

Yep. And I will be voting Can.

Putting my full support behind Eno now. and Can. and Kraftwerk.

amazed that 77 people voted for can

Notorious B.I.G., Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, The Beatles 5

lol

and not just in the lol77 way

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2711/bracketsv6.jpg

deej otm

y does ilm hate black people

otm -- losses for biggie, james brown AND kate bush

i hate this fucking poll

oh no wait i hate you guys, the poll itself could have been ok

this is so mad

Beatles should've been matched up against pizza.

Who's afraid of the big brown bush?

Beatles should've been matched up against pizza.

Thin-crust or thick-crust?

Can, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Beatles 18

FU WHITEY

FU WHITEY

http://www.muzprosvet.ru/graphics/can-michael-malcolm.jpg

JD/NO are about 41738912491349x whiter than the Stones

but let's not get into this ffs

FU WHITEYS

http://www.geraldjenkins.co.uk/media/uploads/2009/09/630/14-malcom-mooney-damo-suzuki-2007-web-jpg.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

should have been my response as well tbh

Especially seeing as your initial response made absolutely no sense whatsoever (unless you've secretly done some genetic history work on both bands and are quietly announcing the results here).

I was referring only to the music tbh

Erm, yes. Exactly.

FU WHITEY

http://home.swipnet.se/rollingstones/pics2/keith_ron_darryl.jpg

ok MOSTLY to the music

this is all silly

I recognise that you are making a statement about the music that each respective band makes, but what criteria exactly are you using to quantify this 'whiteness'? Is it possible for colour/racial identity to inhere in soundwaves?

FU WHITEY

http://www.maccafan.net/Gallery/GetBackRehearsals/Preston.jpg

aw cmon Emil.y yr being a trifle obtuse here - I don't want to spell it out but JD/NO do not play the blues in any traditional sense

So what you are saying is not 'JD/NO are about 41738912491349x whiter than the Stones' but rather 'the Rolling Stones create music whose inspiration can be located in the spectrum of music made by African migrants'.

New Order hugely influenced by black dance music surely peoples wtf.

my initial post was lazy hyperbole brought on by 4 hours' sleep and a GP surgery

oh god stop it stop the madness

Holy shit, what kind of surgery did you have Louis?

lol I was just having a coupla small moles looked at coz of melanoma history in the family - nothing to be worried abt

it does however mean I am like 0.005% more black than I used to be

I thought you'd actually become a GP and not told us

vote LJ

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/D77BB7FD-81D7-40F2-9777-CFD03BC59ABF/42-18323624.jpg

xxxp: O_O Jesus christ.

Anyway, I had no idea that Malcolm Mooney was black! His name sounds very, very British to me, so I assumed that was where they got him.

Yes, whoever heard of a black guy called Malcolm...

Sure, you have Malcolm X, but on the U.K. side you've got Malcolm McDowell, Malcolm Young, and Malcolm McLaren.

There are so many aberrations in this poll. I have no clue how Joy Division/New Order lost to the Stones, and I don't even like Joy Division! Seems weird to imagine a bunch of ilxors sitting at home listening to Wild Horses or jamming out to It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It).

Malcolm Mooney does have the ring of Malcolm Muggeridge about it

Malcolm Muggeridge fronting Can would have been something to see

O_O Jesus christ.

yeah suggest ban me if you want be a hero

post-'exile' rolling stones POLL (studio albums)

lots of ilx luv on stones threads

LJ, I would never sb you. You have been sb'd enough.

I'd have voted for Can if they were fronted by Malcolm X.

also fu whitey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfi7ME_Y5Vs

post-'exile' rolling stones POLL (studio albums)
lots of ilx luv on stones threads

― iatee, Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:57 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

100 votes on that poll vs. like 91 for this one:

by special request -- NEW ORDER POLL (closes 05/14/2007)

vs. 71 for What's the best Beatles album !

right I'm not saying they're the most popular band on this site or whatever, just that it's not that hard to imagine lots of people sitting at home rocking out to them, esp cause there's a bunch of threads that are like "oh man I am rocking out to exile" or whatever.

I woulda guessed bowie would be in their spot, however

Yeah, no, I mean I don't begrudge anybody liking the Stones and I like a little Stones myself. It just seems like JD/NO would be more attractive to the ilxor general population as I imagine it in my head. Obviously this poll proves me wrong.